Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #437
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Date: 11/13/2002 5:18 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 437
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      William Conrad                        [ "Don Frey" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
      Talent Scouts, Lenny Bruce            [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      Re: OT (Dean Martin and) Jerry Lewis  [ "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; ]
      Jim Cox's Writings                    [ "Don Frey" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
      Mp3 players and travelling            [ "david rogers" <david_rogers@hotmai ]
      Fwd: Two [removed]                 [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      Uncredited Conrad, slightly off topi  [ "Bob Watson" <crw912@[removed]; ]
      Re: Bill Forman on THE WHISTLER       [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      Operator on "The Whisperer"           [ dougdouglass@[removed] ]
      ABC logos, etc.                       [ "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed]; ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]
      Fwd: 1945 CBS Radio program           [ JayHick@[removed] ]

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    Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:06:16 -0500
    From: "Don Frey" <alanladdsr@[removed];
    To: "OTR message" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  William Conrad

    Matthew wondered why William Conrad wasn't credited on a
    [removed], I assume, others were. Perhaps Mr. Bartell could
    clarify but it is my understanding that a number of actors took parts
    knowing they would not be credited, either because of contract restrictions
    or their choice for other reasons. I have shows where Mr. Conrad is given
    credit but under an obvious phony name, Harold Kropotsky, is one that stands
    out. That's not the name but it is close.  Perhaps others know more about
    this.
    Don Frey

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    Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:06:31 -0500
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Talent Scouts, Lenny Bruce

    My colleague Douglas Gomery is preparing a book on the Arthur Godfrey
    Talent Scouts programs, part of an academic series of works studying
    important icons of the last century.

    He is seeking photographs relating to the Talent Scouts program, and
    specifically would like to find any photos of Lenny Bruce as a young
    man.  Bruce won the AGTS program on April 18, 1949, when he was 23-1/2.

    His comedy appearance was absolutely brilliant, and clean.  Totally
    different from what he has since become remembered for.  Lenny Bruce was
    born 10-13-1925, died 8-3-1966, too young at not quite 41.

    Professor Gomery has problems communicating with the Digest, due to his
    popular but limiting server.   I learned how to avoid this, thanks to
    Charlie Summers' help.   Please respond directly to me.  Many thanks.

    Lee Munsick
    RR 1 Box 134B
    Pamplin VA 23958-946leemunsick@[removed]

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    Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:08:22 -0500
    From: "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: OT (Dean Martin and) Jerry Lewis movies

    Rodney W Bowcock Jr. was asking for some Martin & Lewis movies, on behalf of
    his parents:

>     Sailor Beware
>     Living It Up
>     You're Never Too Young

>     I know there are some big Martin/Lewis fans on here, so I thought this
>     would be a swell place to start my search, as I don't think these have
>     been released to video.

    I don't have these movies on VHS (I had "Sailor Beware" but lost the tape;
    meaning one of my kids got ahold of it), and wouldn't mind getting copies
    myself!  But I would like to add - as I explained in a recent presentation
    at the Metropolitan Washington Old Time Radio Club - that M&L's
    much-maligned radio shows provide, at times, a better example of their
    comedic style than do most of their films.  So you could do much worse than
    to send your parents a few segments from their 1951-53 NBC radio series.

    Of course, the best example would be their work on "The Colgate Comedy
    Hour."  If anyone's interested in copies of these on VHS (I have all 28),
    feel free to contact me off list.  I'm open to trading for episodes of their
    radio show that I don't have.

    Michael

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    Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:08:36 -0500
    From: "Don Frey" <alanladdsr@[removed];
    To: "OTR message" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Jim Cox's Writings

    Just to add my praise to Jim Cox and his writings. High on  the list
    of "musts" for any collector, the books give so much to anyone who wants to
    sound very wise and aware.
    I understand books on the Hummerts and "Mr. Keen" are in the works. Nominees
    for the OTR Hall of [removed], Dunning and [removed] like a law
    firm!
    Don Frey

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    Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 19:55:49 -0500
    From: "david rogers" <david_rogers@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Mp3 players and travelling

    This was sort of discussed a while ago, so I hope that I am not repeating
    this.
    I live in Korea and I am about to go travelling in China, Thailand and
    Malaysia for about three months.  I would like to take some of my radio
    shows with me.  However, my mp3 player is just big enough to hold about 6 or
    7 hours of stuff.  Therefore, I plan to buy something for the trip.  I am
    torn between a) a hybrid mp3 / cd player and b) an mp3 player that has a 20
    gigabyte memory.
    I am writing to ask of other peopleĚs experiences with these two different
    types of machines.  The hybrid machine is cheaper, but I think it may well
    be very heavy on batteries and I will have to take a case of my cds as well.
      The mp3 players I can buy here with the massive memories are quite
    expensive, but I donĚt have to take any cds. I have no idea how they are on
    batteries.
    Does anybody have any experience of travelling with these machines or any
    other pros and cons to consider.
    Love as always, David Rogers

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    Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:39:10 -0500
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fwd: Two [removed]

    Folks;

       This person is not (yet) a subscriber to the Digest (although they have
    been invited) - please copy the email address below on any response you might
    make.

             Chalrie

    - -- begin forwarded text

    From: "ruth gordon" <trogloxx@[removed];
    Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 16:59:24 -0600

        Dear Sir:  Two large holes remain in my  oldtime radio nostalgia
    memories.  1. In one daily (weekly?) 1930s or 1940s serial,  two young people
    named Billy and Betty had an uncle or some kind of acquaintance  of South
    American ethnicity who referred to them always as "Beely and  Batty".  Can
    you identify the show and the actor(s) for me? 2.  My biggest puzzlement ever
    in terms of  nostalgia radio!  I heard this show in NYC.  Its opening or
    closing  themesong included the words "up with the [removed] the day
    right".   Can you identify the show and the song?  It was 1930s or early 40s
    at  latest, local or national hookup, I don't know.  I would be most thankful
    for any help I could get on this.  Sincerly, Henry Gordon at  trogloxx@[removed]

    - -- end forwarded text

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    Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:37:56 -0500
    From: "Bob Watson" <crw912@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Uncredited Conrad, slightly off topic

    I can't offer any input as to why William Conrad went uncredited in the
    Whisperer.  I do know that for some reason he wasn't credited on the 1970's
    cartoon revival of The Lone Ranger.  (Not the 1960's series starring the
    voice of Michael Rye, aka Rye Billsbury.) He was billed as J. D. something
    or other.  Very strange since I immediately recognized the voice as being
    that of Frank Cannon.  <LOL>  I hadn't become familiar with OTR at the time
    and didn't know about his radio work then.

    Bob

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    Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:38:51 -0500
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Bill Forman on THE WHISTLER

    Matthew Bullis asks:

>     Does anyone know why William Conrad was not
>     credited on the Whisperer when he appeared in an episode?

    What year was the show from?  I know Bill Conrad made his first network
    appearances on THE WHISTLER when he was still in the military.  It's possible
    that his extracuricular performances weren't sanctioned.

    ***and Thomas Butts adds:

>     I have wondered the same thing.  He was billed as Julius Kraubein, or
>     something
>     like that. Perhaps he was under contract to CBS and, I think,  this show was
>     produced by NBC.

    ***Conrad was credited in the audition episode of THE SIX SHOOTER, an NBC
    broadcast that aired two weeks before GUNSMOKE premiered on CBS.  Another
    possibility: was he born "William Conrad," or did he take a more "Waspy"
    sounding professional name as many radio performers and Holllywood stars
    did?***

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    Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:29:41 -0500
    From: dougdouglass@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Operator on "The Whisperer"

    Matthew Bullis asked about the way  Operators spoke.

    Because of poor transmission on long distance lines, the Bell System
    trained Operators to use enunciation which prevented confusion when
    saying numbers.

    1 - Wun
    2 - Too
    3 - Th-ree
    4 - Fo-er
    5 - Fi-iv
    6 - Siks
    7 - Se-vun
    8 - Ate
    9 - Ni-yun

    There was also a guide for pronouncing each letter of the alphabet and
    certain phrases. Lifting the receiver, you'd be greeted with "Num-ber
    Plee-uz".

    This Bell System "Traffic Operating Practice" continued into the early
    '60s.

    --- Doug Douglass

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    Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:58:34 -0500
    From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  ABC logos, etc.

    Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed]; wrote:

>     As for logos and identities, ABC Television used a large lower-case letter
>     'a' with the lower case letters 'abc' printed inside. This logo was modified
>     to a 'modern' font for the lower-case letters of /abc/, and inside of a
>     plain circle, circa 1962/63.

    September 1963, just in time for the fall TV season.  ABC's
    owned-and-operated TV stations -- all of which at the time were on channel
    7 -- adopted a new "Circle 7" logo at the same time, and that logo is also
    still in use to this day.

>     [removed] sings the call
>     letters W-A-B-C ... the note for 'W' and for 'A' are identical. But the
>     'A-B-C' melody sequence is the SAME as "G/E/C", the *NBC* chimes! (I wonder
>     if RCA/NBC would have pulled trademark violation? since ABC was no longer
>     the Blue Network of NBC by then!)

    Another thing that might have gotten NBC a bit peeved was a short promo the
    Blue did for its affiliates some time after it was spun off, but before it
    became ABC; this was called "The Blue [removed] War."  Among other things
    it had a simulation of how the Blue allegedly broke the story of the attack
    on Pearl [removed] hiding the fact that the Blue was part of NBC at
    the time.  (For ABC's part, they may not like how the new Dick Clark series,
    "American Dreams," made it appear as though WFIL-TV in Philadelphia was an
    NBC affiliate, when it was an ABC affiliate and today is an ABC O&O.)

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    Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 04:52:03 -0500
    From: lois@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

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    Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:15:34 -0500
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fwd: 1945 CBS Radio program

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    If anyone can help, please respond to the sender.  Jay

    Dear Mr. Hickerson,

    Hello, my name is Jason Yarn and I am researching various media for Miramax
    Film's movie The Great Raid, due out next year.   The Library of Congress
    Recorded Sound Archive provided me with your contact information, because
    they believed you might be able to help me out where they and the National
    Archives could not.

    In particular I am searching for a radio program that aired on Sunday, March
    18, 1945 called "We The People".   Initially it was thought that this program
    was produced by NBC as noted in a book on the subject of the Great Raid.
    However, the Library of Congress confirmed that it is in fact a CBS license
    since the Blue Network had switched by that date.   At the moment, the
    National Archives has not found the recording, and I could not locate it
    either on their updated search engine.

    This broadcast contained a dramatization of the events of The Great Raid:
    just before McArthur took back the Philippines, a group of US Army Rangers
    snuck in and rescued 300 POWs from a Japanese internment camp.   It remains
    the most successful rescue of captured US soldiers.   One of the leaders of
    the Raid, Capt. Bob Prince, was on the show and helped recreate the events
    for the listeners.

    The LOC told me that with your extensive connections in this area and
    publishing of an Old Time Radio catalog, you might be able to help me locate
    it.   I've tried going through CBS, but they do not seem to have archives for
    such material from that period, beyond what is contained at NARA.

    Any help or information that you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
    If you have any questions or wish to contact me, e-mail is the best method,
    but my phone numbers are also below.

    Thank you very much for your time,

    Jason Yarn
    Asst. Researcher (LA) The Great Raid
    Miramax/Marty Katz Productions
    1250 6th St, Suite 205
    Santa Monica, CA 90401
    (310) 260-8501
    (310) 260-8502 fax
    (978) 590-5597 cell
    <KalYarn@[removed];

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