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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 368

Table Of Contents: 

	 Arness & Conrad
	 Whiz Kids
	 Favorite Shadow episodes
	 Jean Shepherd, John Dunning, Sherlock Holmes
	 Fwd: THE SUSTAINING PROGRAM
	 Dr. IQ
	 The Whistler, one more time
	 Web sites
	 Web site link
	 Humongous Database Update
	 Sergeant Preston
	 Handicapped people in Radio

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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 17:06:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Kathy O'Connell" <oconnell@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Arness & Conrad
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D'oh!!  I missed the story about Arness' trying to get Conrad a movie role.
Could someone possibly e-mail me the story or the digest that contained it?
I must have deleted without completely reading the digest---bad move.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me.
Always looking for Arness/TV Gunsmoke [removed]
Kathy O'Connell
oconnell@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 16:07:29 -0500
From: Nick Coburn <coburn@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Whiz Kids
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
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           So that we can all respond to trivial questions correctly; on the
radio it was the Quiz Kids. The Whiz Kids were the University of Illinois
basketball team of the early fifties. Close doesn't count.

NWC

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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 17:33:11 -0400
From: Charles Mazza <flash@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Favorite Shadow episodes
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Someone recently asked for what our favorite Shadow shows are. Well here are
3 i feel should have general appeal and most people would like (not my
personal favorites perhaps, but in my top 10) from the first couple of years
on the air:

The White Legion        20 Mar 1938

An interesting and still very relevent story. Was this a leap for the time?
This episode contains political corruption and a hint at racial hatred
perhaps by the KKK type apparel used and the specific use of "White" in the
title, or am i reading too much into it here? Anyhow, great episode.

The Man Who Murdered Time       1 Jan 1939

Really fun, pulp style story involving a time machine and a demented, sick
man who litterly finds a way to stop time. A little "Suspensish" if you ask me.

The Tenor with the Broken Voice         Summer 1938

A world class singer loses his voice (you can figure out the rest i thnk).

How about everyone else?

Charles Mazza

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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:52:14 -0400
From: Bigkids@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jean Shepherd, John Dunning, Sherlock Holmes
Message-ID: <961002185213_323262187@[removed]>

In the spring of 1958 I was freshly released from the US Army. I returned to
New York (my boyhood home) to become rich and famous. New York was also the
home of my (then) main squeeze, who was away in New London, Connecticut,
finishing up her degree.

Hang in there, pals -- this really has to do with OTR!

Most weekends I would drive up to New London and Patricia and I would sneak
off campus for a couple of days of walking on the beach, eating in good
restaurants, and engaging in Steamy Adult Activities at a low-budget hotel in
downtown New London.

Sunday night I would head back for New York, listening to Jean Shepherd on
WOR all the way. He was great. Well, and when he went off, he was followed by
a fine late-night talk show. Damned if I can remember the host, but he used
to have some wonderful crackpots as studio guests. My favorite was Otis T.
Carr, who had invented a spaceship (it was the OTC X-1, of course) and was
getting ready for a trip to the moon.

Far as I know, he didn't get there. But then, maybe he did.

Some time after this I met and became fast friends with Chris Steinbrunner,
who worked for WOR (and WOR-TV), and who wrote scripts for Shepherd. At
least, he claimed that he did.

I was shocked, I say, shocked. First, that Shepherd used scripts at all.
There was such a wonderful free-flowing stream-of-consciousness feel to
Shepherd's delivery, I couldn't believe that he was reading from a script.
And second, that he not only used scripts, he didn't even write them himself!

Was nothing sacred?

I've always had a fondness for Shepherd and his work -- I assume that you
know the story if I, LIBERTINE. And that of "A Christmas Story,"

Alas, Chris Steinbrunner died several years ago. But it would be nice to ask
Shepherd sometime about Chris's claim. See if Shepherd acknowledges
Steinbrunner's contribution.

Chris, incidentally, had an OTR connection of his own. Just as OTR was dying,
he was breaking into the field. He was always proud of the fact that he sold
a script to "Dr. Christian," and it was produced and broadcast shortly before
the show ended its run.

Chris also wrote an annual Sherlock Holmes adaptation that was broadcast
"live" over WFUV (Fordham University). He got up some pretty elaborate
productions, complete with full cast, sound effects and music. I wonder if
any of our Sherlock Holmes completists know about these broadcasts, and if
any of them survive. I doubt it. (en passant: I got to play a bit role in one
of those shows. I think I had one line. Don't remember my line, my character,
or even which story. Sorry, folks. It was a long time ago.)

Oh, and I might mention that my sweetheart of 1958 and I recently celebrated
our 38th anniversary. So I guess we were doing something right. Ah, those
Steamy Adult Activities. History doesn't record 1958 as exactly a super duper
year, but it was sure a good one for me.

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When John Dunning was in town last year, and appeared on my talk show on
KPFA, he said that his new book on radio was a *massive* expansion on and
updating of his previous one.

And this Friday I'm leaving town, will return in mid-October. Have fun, all
-- will come back and see you again. Unfortunately, I won't be able to get to
FOTR. I hope we'll get full reports here in the Digest.

Dick Lupoff

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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 18:55:42 -0400
From: BCH66@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Fwd: THE SUSTAINING PROGRAM
Message-ID: <961002185541_535488777@[removed]>

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Forwarded message:
Subj:    THE SUSTAINING PROGRAM
Date:    96-09-27 16:57:18 EDT
From:    BCH66
To:      [removed]@[removed]

We all know that a sustaining program was one that was unsponsored and
therefore the cost of production  belonged to the [removed], I have
read that sustaining programs were on the schedules to fill time when neither
the station nor the network had a sponsored program to [removed] that stations
were not required to air sustaining programs unless they were network
prestige programs ( also known as must carry sustaining shows).
When a show was sponsored an advertiser basically bought time on the network
and the stations were paid for airing THE KRAFT MUSIC HALL or the LUX RADIO
THEATER.
( Stations in smaller markets were referred to as bonus [removed]
  they were not paid for network shows because they were in markets no
advertiser would actually pay for. So basically those stations would be
allowed to bring in and air the network show without payment. The benefit of
this of course was it made the smaller stations local time mor eattractive to
advertisers in their own area.)

Anyways back to sustaining shows .If at 8pm CBS had sold the time to some
advertiser but at 8:30 had not  at 8:30 the network would program an
unsponsored feature. Now it is my understanding
that at the local level the station is free to sell the time locally if they
can find a sponsor. Because as stated before a sustaining program only filled
time when neither station or network could sell to a sponsor. But if the
network sold the time eventually that immediately cancelled any local
contracts and the time shifted back to the network. This of course made
selling the time locally
a tough practice.

I want to mention that the opinion has also been expressed that the business
arrangement between network and station regarding sustaining features did not
work in that way at all. That when sponsored the advertiser paid for the
station time when sustaining the station time was still paid for but by the
network.

So any one out there know how it really worked ????

I became curious about this arrangement when I realized that sustaining
features such as ESCAPE, and SUSPENSE in its unsponsored years would often be
pre-empted by stations or recorded and played  at odd times.
AND the CAMPBELL's PLAYHOUSE WAS certainly carried by more stations than when
it was an unsponsored feature known as 
THE MERCURY THEATER.

any thoughts???..........

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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 96 19:14:02 EDT
From: ekindred@[removed]
To:   [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Dr. IQ
Message-Id: <m0v8akz-000k3qC@[removed]>

The good Dr. was one of my 635 favorite radio shows. You folks keep reminding
me of things that have been deeply archived in my mind. I think I liked it
because I was such a smart ___ I wanted to see if I could answer all of the
questions. Conversely I soon avoided the Quiz Kids because they all knew more
than I.  Dr. IQ came to Phoenix to the late Fox theatre, a beautiful Art Deco
palace which seated 2,500. From my experience, there was no excuse for anyone
to ever miss a question. 2500 people in unison softly answering yes, yes, no,
yes. Fortunately the contestant ignored my yes for Mt. Everest being in China.
Didn't these people know that the Communist Chinese had just annexed Tibet???
Of course now everyone says that it is in Nepal. Must have something to do with
moving plates.

Ed Kindred

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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 96 19:34:15 EDT
From: ekindred@[removed]
To:   [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Whistler, one more time
Message-Id: <m0v8avQ-000k44C@[removed]>

I was one of the 20. It figures, I decided to major in music since I didn't
know what else to do with my life. I could even whistle double stops if you
like two part chords. The only things I remember are theme and Signal Oil
company who had a few ticky tack fillin stations in Phoenix. Maybe they were
more wholesale because they never appeared to be a mojor player in Arizona or
California. The only time I used Signal is when I taught school in Mariposa
"Above the fog and below the snow" in 58-59, and then only becuae I thought
Joe Bevel a fairly solid citizen.
One of the joys of this forum is that for us old f---ts we cna really immerse
in the nostalgia bit. I have never responded to Lois Culver  and have
thoroughly enjoyed her experiences because I heard so much Los Angeles radio
in my formative years. In the west where the metropoli are few and very far
between Phoenicians at least in the 40's and 50's thought of Los Angeles,
San Franciso, Salt Lake City, Denver, Albuquerque and El Paso as next door
neighbors.   We had a great beach. The californios called it San Diego.
So lets face it, one guys boredom is anothers ecstasy with this vehicle. May
all of us snowflakes enjoy the differences.

Ed Kindred, a Desert RAt in Terrapin country

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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 19:50:43 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Web sites
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Between Jack Mann and what I uploaded earlier, hopefully, there are lots
of jump pages for people. Here are a few more, that I don't believe
either Jack or I gave you before. Check all of these carefully, there
have been some repeats such as the SPERDVAC page.


<fontfamily><param>Times New Roman</param><bigger>Autralian Nostalgia
Radio

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Dick Orkin's Radio Ranch

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JAM's Radio Nostalgia page

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Old Time Radio Page

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Charlie Laughlin's otr page

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Vincent Price on Radio

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Museum of Radio & TV (Ohio University)

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Audio books (Some drama - commercial site)

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ZBS Media including Ruby, Jack Flanders, etc. (Modern Radio Drama)

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</bigger></fontfamily>

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Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]

Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]

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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 20:18:23 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Web site link
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Here is one more link I forgot to include:

Thousand Oaks Radio Library Collection

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Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 02:37:19 GMT
From: lgenco@[removed] (Lou Genco)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Humongous Database Update
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The Crabapple Sound OTR catalog has been added to my on-line,
searchable Humongous OTR Database.  Crabapple has tapes of Big Bands,
OTR music and OTR shows.  Info on the company is im my vendors table.


Lou
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THE WWW site for "Old Time Radio":               [removed]
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Date: Wed, 02 Oct 1996 22:18:28 -0700
From: Mary Senn <senn1121@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Sergeant Preston
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My husband and I are 73 years old.  In our first years of marriage
we almost always picked up Sergeant Preston and the Great Dog King
in the evening while dinner was being prepared.  That and Sam Spade
were our favorites in 1950.  It was hilarious to listen to the great
dog doing his human-like feats of saving the Sergeant.  Not meant to
be funny but it was!

M. Senn

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Date: Thu, 03 Oct 96 07:44:08 EDT
From: TBARNETT@[removed]
To:   otr@[removed]
Subject: Handicapped people in Radio
Message-Id: <m0v8mCH-000k2BC@[removed]>

To: SMTP    --AHIPC2S  OTR Digest

From:    Tom Barnett
         EDS NAO/VDTO Finance and Personnel Systems Support
         (810)986-0389 (8-226) Internet:TBARNETT@[removed]

Subject: Handicapped people in Radio

Andy   wrote,

>>
Also - if anyway can think of any programming having to do with eugenics,
genetics, blindness, deafness, mental illness, retardation, prosthesis,
disabled vets, rehabilitation, heredity, birth control, baby care, polio
(other crippling diseases too), Helen Keller, venereal disease (the results
of) and wheelchairs - this will be helpful too.  I appreciate any and all
responses.

I know it's quite a lot to consider so,
it may be easier to write me directly at: alanset@[removed]  (Andy Lanset).
<<

I can think of a SHADOW episode where there was a blind boy named Peter Blair
who had extra sensitive touch as a result. He had a seeing eye dog named
Rex.

Also in the Shadow episode BLIND BEGGAR DIES the subject is dealt with also.

I am at work and don't have access to my listings -- can anyone help with
the title of the Peter Blair episode and dates?

Tom Barnett
"There are no Ordinary moments." -Dan Millman




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