Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #376
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 9/28/2002 12:50 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 376
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      The Lone Ranger vs. the Indians       [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Re:The DeMarco Dolls                  [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Re: [removed]'s comment                    [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Straight Arrow                        [ "William Harper" <whhsa@[removed] ]
      Philip Marlowe, Somebody Knows        [ "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
      Codes, Ciphers, and The Like          [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      OTR Streaming Audio                   [ "rcg" <revrcg@[removed]; ]
      Reel-To-Reel Tape Players             [ "Ellsworth Johnson" <eojohnsonww2@a ]
      WHN/WMGM continued                    [ STANLEY GINSBERG <[removed]@[removed] ]
      Mary sings                            [ "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed] ]
      Cowboys, the Shadow and Our Increasi  [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      Radio Spirits Collections             [ Bob Beckett <bobbyb1324me@[removed] ]
      Go West?                              [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      A late word about the Golden Age of   [ "Bob Watson" <crw912@[removed]; ]
      Re: Gunsmoke simlucasts               [ Elmer Standish <elmer_standish@telu ]
      Bill Cosby Radio Program              [ "Jerry Reed" <jerry@[removed]; ]
      Re: Reel to Reel Tape Recorders       [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:41:27 -0400
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Lone Ranger vs. the Indians

    "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed]; writes, in part,

>     After his transformation, The Lone Ranger kills only one man,
>     that in combat. and not intentionally.

    I remember hearing an episode last year that included a scene where a wagon
    train of settlers was surrounded by a group of attacking "bad" Indians. The
    Lone Ranger was among the defenders trying to fend off the attack. I might
    have heard wrong, but it seemed like TLR was shooting at the Indians with
    the intent to kill them (and we know that TLR seldom missed what he was
    shooting at).
    Does anybody remember the episode?
    Did I mis-hear it, or did the Lone Ranger "shoot to kill" the savages who
    were attacking the white men, women, & children in the wagon train?

    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:41:29 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

      From Those Were The Days --

    1933 - NBC debuted Waltz Time, featuring the orchestra of Abe Lymon. The
    program continued on the network until 1948.

    1938 - Thanks for the Memory was heard for the first time on The Bob
    Hope Show -- on the NBC Red network. Who was the bandleader? If you said
    Les Brown, you’d be ... wrong. It was Skinnay Ennis accompanying ol' ski
    nose at the time.

    Birthdays

    1920 - William Conrad (Cann): Marshall Dillon in Gunsmoke; (and so many
    other roles on radio -ed) d. Feb 11, 1994

      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:41:31 -0400
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:The DeMarco Dolls

    Concerning the recent thread about the DeMarco sisters. I must confess, I
    don't remember the quality of their vocal styling. But they had to be pretty
    good to rate prime time network exposure.

    BUT!!!!! I do distinctly recall their good looks. I went to a Professional
    actors school with the three youngest. They were Olive skinned beauties,
    (Italian ancestry), and the 2nd oldest and I used to make eyes at each other
    sitting across the school table from one another. (Harmless flirting). Tough
    concentrating on school work.

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:41:33 -0400
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: [removed]'s comment

    When BJ Watkins so kindly mentioned something about my attending the
    Sperdvac Convention, LL couldn't resist a little "tweak".

> >     Our beloved Jughead, Hal Stone, the great one, will be appearing with us in
> >     both.

>     Wow!  Hal Stone and Jackie Gleason together in a recreation.  I'll be there!

    OK Lorna, paybacks are hell. I understand you will be at the FOTR Con.

    Remind me not to tell you about my encounter with Jack Benny. :)

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:41:36 -0400
    From: "William Harper" <whhsa@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Straight Arrow

    Dear Folks;
    Peace to each of you.
    Thanks for the Dragnet site info.  It was good to see so many of the
    Straight Arrow actors.
    Lois Culver reminded us of a site with two Straight Arrow photos.  When the
    POW-WOW (the definitive source for information on Straight Arrow) ran the
    photo of Howard with lovely Lois in his arms we surmised that Steve Adams
    got married and not Straight Arrow as the threshold was the Broken Bow ranch
    and not a teepee.
    Bill Harper

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 02:41:38 -0400
    From: "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed];
    To: "OTR message" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Philip Marlowe, Somebody Knows

    Someone asked about ratings for Philip Marlowe. I looked in the Summers book
    that lists ratings and couldn't find it listed except the first year and no
    rating was given. Odd because they do rate other sustaining series. Maybe I
    missed it.  Also, does anyone know the availability of a series called
    SOMEBODY KNOWS. John Dunning played an example on his otr show in the 80's
    so I know he has one, but I've not seen it listed in Denver's otr club
    catalog. SOMEBODY KNOWS was a true-crime series, one of Robson's, and the
    one Dunning played was about the "Blue Dahlia" murder case. For me, it is
    one of those "will I ever find it" shows.

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:16:36 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Codes, Ciphers, and The Like

    The discussion of SOS brings one technicality worth mention.  A code need
    not be a _secret_ code.  During the heyday of telegraphic communications,
    where customers paid by the word, having a group of letters standing for
    a phrase was an economic advantage.  Several "commercial code books" were
    published.  A group of ten letters was considered a "word," for
    commercial code transmissions.  Most commercial code books had
    five-letter groups set aside for phrases; two of these would be combined
    to form a word.

    As an example, in The Bentley's Complete Phrase Code Book, "IDZKA" means
    "inability"; "UTFOK" means "travel"; "OHTUS" means "prevent(s)"; and
    "DISAV" means "contract."  Thus, two "words," IDZKAUTFOK OHTUSDISAV would
    mean "Inability (to) travel prevents (parties from signing the)
    contract."

    Cyptologically, this is a "code," but an "open" ([removed], not secret) code.
    Anyone who buys a copy of Bentley's could read it.

    Back to [removed]

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:16:41 -0400
    From: "rcg" <revrcg@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR Streaming Audio

    This is a subject that's probably been mentioned many times in the past.
    But, I am a newbie here and thought I would mention just a small portion of
    the great OTR listening that is available on the web.

    1. I've already mentioned radio Spirits site at: [removed] , the
    tab titled On The Radio will bring-up the page that has the currently
    available RS programs, including Stan Freberg with "When Radio Was, "Radio
    Heroes, Radio Theatre, etc. Since the programs are archived they can be
    heard on whatever day and time suits the listener.

    2. Chuck Schaden's "Those Were The Days" on WDCB-Chicago. [removed]
    Currently, this show is not archived but it can be heard each Saturday
    afternoon from 2PM-6PM ET. Chuck's been in the otr business for many years
    and his shows are always interesting.

    3. Ed Walker's "The Big Broadcast" on WAMU-Washington DC. [removed]
    Use the drop-down menu to click on The Big Broadcast. This long running show
    is broadcast each Sunday evening from 7PM-11PM ET. However, each Sunday show
    is archived on Monday morning and stays available for the entire week so you
    can listen at your' convenience. Ed just turned 70 years of age and has had
    a long career in the Washington/Baltimore area on both radio and TV. For
    many years Ed and Willard Scott were a morning radio team as the "Joy Boys".
    Ed has had this great career despite having been blind since birth. There's
    lots of info about Ed and pictures of Ed and Willard on the station's web
    site.

    I know that there are many other web sites playing otr but I thought that I
    would mention these few in case anyone was not aware of their programming.

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:16:57 -0400
    From: "Ellsworth Johnson" <eojohnsonww2@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Reel-To-Reel Tape Players

    Attention

    "Ron Curtis" <rcurtis4@[removed]

    I am certain no one mfgs these anymore. Your best bet is Ebay or look around
    local pawn shops. Or run and ad in your local shopper paper " wanted to buy
    " -- I think a number of these machines are collecting dust in someones
    basement or attic or closets. I was a dealer for many years starting with
    day one in this type product at the end of WW2.

    A suggestion-- did you know that a hi-fi model VCR run at the slowest speed
    makes an excellent audio tape recorder and on one blank tape you can record
    hi-fi audio for 6 hours .length. Even new reel to reel blank tapes are
    almost impossible to buy. And look how inexpensive a blank VCR tape is
    nowadays.

    Ellsworth Johnson
    Spokane, Wa

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:17:06 -0400
    From: STANLEY GINSBERG  <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  WHN/WMGM continued

         But what happened to WHN? It's place on the dial has been taken over by
    WEVD, now ESPN ssports.

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:17:13 -0400
    From: "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Mary sings

    In a lot of the Jack Benny programs, Mary Livingston sings a song, usually
    with Phil Harris or with one of the guests.  I really enjoy hearing her
    singing voice and style.  Does anyone know if she ever made a record.  Does
    anyone (Laura?) have a list of the Jack Benny programs where she sings.

    laudator temporis acti

    Roby McHone

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:18:08 -0400
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cowboys, the Shadow and Our Increasing
     Gullibility

    Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed] mentioned:

>     "The Cisco Kid" not only provided the necessary action of westerns,
>     but also a dash of humor.

    The Cisco Kid also showed us a cowboy who preferred women to horses, even
    Diablo. His hot latin blood was always in evidence; there was probably more
    smooching on that show than any other kid's program, and may well have been
    responsible for putting ideas into the heads of us boys that girls might be
    good for more than dipping their pigtells in the inkwells (well, we DID still
    have inkwells, but most of us were using the marvelous new ball-point pens by
    that time).

>     "All Star Western Theatre" was enjoyable, providing listeners with
>     something new and
>     different each  time while staying within the western format.

    I assume All-Star was tied to All-Star Western comics, which featured four
    western heroes in one slim volume: I believe they were Tim Holt, the Durango
    Kid, Lash Larue and The Ghost Rider, but I could be wrong. My favorite was
    the Ghost Rider, who had a number of tricks to fool superstitious cowboys and
    Indians that he was, indeed, a cowpoke from beyond the grave. I believe his
    mask inspired Spiderman's. He often faced menaces that also seemed
    supernatural, but which were revealed, at the climax, to be trickery similar
    to his own. The character was revived in the 70's but, now, rode a motorcycle
    instead of a horse and really WAS a hogpucher from the great beyond. Which
    brings up something that has troubled me of late: our culture today is,
    surprisingly, far MORE superstitious and gullible than it was when I was a
    lad. Back then all kids knew, thought we might occasionally have brief lapses
    of confidence, that there were "no such thing as ghosts." Now a dozen
    channels have shows about haunted houses, psychics and communicating with the
    dead, including The Discovery Channel and Animal Planet!

    One of the reasons I DON'T care for the Orson Welles Shadow, besides his
    sometimes conspicuous lack of rehearsal (frequently you'll hear part of a
    sentence suddenly added as an unlikely afterthought when, apparently, he'd
    turn the page of his script before realizing there had been no period on what
    he'd just read) is the plethora of supernatural powers he had that other
    writers here have extolled as a virtue of his run. Not only did it make
    things too easy for him, but it made suspension of disbelief that much
    harder. I preferred the later shows of Johnstone because, like the Ghost
    Rider, they often involved seemingly supernatural evils which turned out to
    have rational explanations. Seldom were there any supernatural elements in
    the Shadow; we should remind ourselves that even his power of invisibility
    was thought to be within the realm of scientific possibility since it was
    based on hypnosis, a phenomenon that was only then, after decades of being
    dismissed as parlor trick mesmerism, getting serious attention from doctors
    and psychologists.

    I fear our society and our hopes for scientific progress have suffered
    considerably as a result of the nation's new gullibility. Except for the
    ghost story shows, OTR dramas are notable for the hardnosed, no-nonsense
    attitudes that an increasing appreciation for science had given us. I wonder
    if anyone has noticed when we began the slide into credulity; my impression
    is that it did not begin until OTR had already faded away.

    I know that was a strange segue, from Cowboys to Credulity, but that's the
    fun of this informal format. Right?

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:18:17 -0400
    From: Bob Beckett <bobbyb1324me@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Radio Spirits Collections
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    Hello all,

       I've been a pretty good customer to Radio Spirits over the years, buying
    quite a few of their 18, 40 and 60 show [removed] lately I've
    been getting them at half price at BJ's Wholesale. However, what I wanted to
    comment on was their box packaging for their recent 20-tape, 40-show
    collections like Radio's Greatest Comedies, Detectives, Westerns, etc. Who
    designed those boxes? I find it totally impossible to open the box without
    most of the 20 tapes tumbling out in a heap. Short of scotch taping them down
    they NEVER stay where you put them. The older 6 and 20-tape collections had
    individual compartments that each cassette popped into and STAYED where they
    were placed. These newer collections fall apart EVERY time you open the box.
    Whoever designed these boxes should be shot.

    Bob B.

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:18:45 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Go West?

    Kenneth Clarke, speaking of OTR Westerns, noted,

>     The Cisco Kid" not only provided the necessary action of westerns, but
>     also a dash of humor.  During the time they were on the air, humor was
>     necessary just to live from day to day.

    The Cisco Kid was special in that in addition to humor, the hero did
    something almost unheard of in Westerns: he kissed a pretty young woman.
    And he did it at the close of each adventure.  After a silent pause, the
    girl The Cisco Kid kissed would say, "Oh ... Cisco ...," to which he
    would respond, "Ah, Senorita."  Then Pancho would add, with some
    exasperation, "Oh, Ceeesco!"  After that, Cisco and Pancho would ride
    off.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:19:28 -0400
    From: "Bob Watson" <crw912@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  A late word about the Golden Age of Radio
     Fandom and a Superman question

    Time seems to be getting away from me of late, as this is the first chance I
    have had to place a post in a while.

    I almost missed out of the Golden Age of the 1970's.  In my household, radio
    listening was strictly a daytime affair, with TV dominating the nighttime
    hours.  Therefore, I wasn't introduced to the dynamics of AM radio until
    about 1978, when I was accidently introduced to OTR.  I remember a few years
    earlier when the CBS Radio Mystery Theatre was introduced.  There was a
    piece on a local station hostess show about old radio and how the new radio
    series would bring that back.  I really wasn't interested in all that at the
    time.  You see, I was a great BEWITCHED fan.  I wanted to hear Agnes
    Moorehead or Endora, as I knew her.  I frantically tried to get the CBS
    affiliate out of Macon the night of the premiere.  Alas, weather conditions
    did not permit reception.  So, I never heard the broadcast.  At 10pm, in the
    dead of winter, I probably could have slid the dial over just a bit and
    found it on a New York or Chicago station.  Since at the time, I was unaware
    of this, I simply went on to bed.  Years later, when I really became
    interested in OTR, part of the fun on Sunday nights was turning the radio
    dial and finding out what was on each station that carried OTR.  Back then,
    as most of us know, there were quite a few stations broadcasting old radio.
    What was really neat during the Sears Radio period, was that if I couldn't
    pick up the program on one station, I could wheel the dial and pick it up on
    another from out of state.  That was a fun year that I look back on quite
    fondly.  Searching the internet, as most of us have to do today, just
    doesn't compare.

    On to Superman.  Is Radio Spirits license with DC Comics about to expire or
    something???  I noticed that the Smithsonian Collections are going for bare
    bone prices in the last RS catalog and the 60 tape set, which isn't but a
    couple of years old, at best, isn't offered at all.  I was looking forward
    to more Superman offerings.  Was hoping that someday the entire syndicated
    series from 1940-1943 would eventually be out on CD.

    Thanks,
    Bob

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:20:00 -0400
    From: Elmer Standish <elmer_standish@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Gunsmoke simlucasts

    Eric:
    My sincere thanks for the information. It does sound very
    logical and I can see how such a belief could arise.

    I would be interested to hear any more comments on the
    subject but since I have never listened personally to the
    OTR versions of Gunsmoke or watched the TV versions, I must
    rely on digest members with first hand knowledge of the
    subject.

    Again Eric, my sincere thanks for your reply. Another item
    added to my growing fund of OTR knowledge.

    ===> ELMER

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:48:05 -0400
    From: "Jerry Reed" <jerry@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Bill Cosby Radio Program

    I realize this not "Old Time Radio" as we know it. But, still on the radio
    topic.  According to Ebony Magazine dated July 1969, Bill Cosby recorded 350
    5-minute radio shows for Coca Cola. The series began in 1968 and ran through
    1969 on at least 500 radio stations. Until recently, I was led to believe
    that not many of these recordings survived. I have attempted calls to McCann
    Erikson, the Advertising Agency responsible for the production, without
    success.  Calls to the research department at their NY Office only reach
    voice mail and they don't return calls.
    I recently acquired 110 of these shows, which to my surprise were
    distributed to some stations on 16 inch disks. I have eleven disks with ten
    shows on each disk. Most disk distribution of commercials and program
    material had switched to 12 inch disk or reel to reel tape by that time. I
    am trying to find out if the masters of the shows are preserved somewhere. I
    understand that Frank Buxton was the producer. My sources also tell me that
    neither Frank nor Bill Cosby have recordings of The Bill Cosby Radio
    Program.  Can anyone shed any light on the subject?

    Jerry E. Reed
    e-mail: jerry@[removed]
    Web site - [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:48:11 -0400
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Reel to Reel Tape Recorders

    A company called Don Kunz and Associates still carries new reel to reel
    recorders. They are somewhere in Pennsylvania and operate vial mail order.
    I don't have their phone number handy right now, but I'll try and remember
    to look it up and post it later.

    You could probably find them on the web.

    Fred
    [removed]
    Take a look at our newly designed web site

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    Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:48:17 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

      From Those Were The Days --

    1936 - Bachelor's Children debuted on CBS radio (at 9:45 [removed]) in
    addition to its schedule on the Mutual Network (at 10:15 [removed]). The
    show's theme song, Ah, Sweet Mystery of Life, opened the 15-minute,
    critically acclaimed, daily serial. Bachelor's Children became very
    popular because of its natural dialogue which made folks think they were
    hearing a real event. Bachelor's Children ... brought to you by Old
    Dutch Cleanser, Palmolive-Peet Soap, Colgate Toothpaste and Wonder
    Bread.

    1939 - The final broadcast of The Fleischmann Hour was heard on radio.
    The star of the show, Rudy Vallee, wrapped things up after a decade of
    entertaining radio. The Fleischmann Hour was sponsored by Fleischmann's
    Yeast. What else?

      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
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