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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 01 : Issue 187
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
"Attempting To Lift The Fog, Fran A ["[removed] Wolfe" <rjrmemorabilia@yahoo.]
otr photo license? [Ben Ohmart <bloodbleeds@[removed]; ]
Re: Sherlock Holmes bloopers [Kenneth L Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]]
Through the looking glass [JackBenny@[removed] ]
Fluffs ["Lois Culver" <lois@[removed]; ]
Lights Out Question. ["Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@eart]
Halls of Ivy [Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed]]
There Is More Than One Perspective ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
5 Part Johnny Dollar ["Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@eart]
Sam Spade fluff [LPEVANS221@[removed] ]
Skip Homeier ["@" <josephpostove@[removed]; ]
Tony Karloff [lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo.]
Archie comics [JimInks@[removed] ]
broadcast years ["Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];]
alive actors ["Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];]
"Let's Watch The Radio" on "Yesterda [Don Hunt <ddhunt@[removed]; ]
Hans and Jerry [Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed]]
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 18:02:27 -0400
From: "[removed] Wolfe" <rjrmemorabilia@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Attempting To Lift The Fog, Fran Allison,
"Mr. Greeenjeans" and "Sorry, Wrong Number".
Charlie - I promise you that I will not mention the
subject of the "afore mentioned" again after this
posting.
I've have sat back and watched the posting for the
last 5 issues to see have many people have been able
to see through "Mr. Afar Mentioned's" smokescreen.
About 5 people have and one of them is "Beautiful
Bob." You have one word correct - "Right" but the
other word "Copy" is wrong because it's a moot point.
The phrase you need to be discussing that "Mr. Afore
Mentioned" continues using is "Exclusive Distribution
Rights." Most people seem to be having trouble seeing
the "forest" for all the trees that are in the way.
Others are seeing the "forest" but there's still a bit
of fog in the way and with Charlie's kind permission I
would like to attempt to "Prune the trees" and "lift
the fog" and then promise to NEVER broach the subject
of "Mr. Afore Mentioned" ever again.
There is one thing I
would also like to clear up from the previous posting
too which is the out and out DEMAND for "RJR's" sales
figures. Most of you reading this probably thought I
was ticked off about "Mr. Afore Mentioned's" attempt
to extort money from "RJR" and you would be correct
but it was a very small concern. Even my middle
brother didn't grasp the far reaching implications of
what could've happened had I capitulated to this
demand.
1. Had "RJR" given in, what would have prevented
"Mr. Afore Mentioned" from then demanding a list of my
suppliers of old radio shows. I had over 20 trading
buddies and bought from several different dealers. Had
I capitulated "Mr. Afore Mentioned" could've then went
after my trading buddies and all the dealers (3 of
which post here) that "RJR" purchased it's material
from?
2. Had "Mr. Afore Mentioned" gotten a look at all
of "RJR's" sales figures he would've seen our
clientele too and what would've stopped "Mr. Afore
Mentioned" from "harvesting" "RJR's" entire mailing
list? Nothing, that's what.
Now I shall "prune the trees" in
an attempt to "lift the fog." For the past 5 days
you've been posting messages about the wrong issue.
The concern here is "Exclusive Distribution Rights"
and nothing more. Two cases and then my point:
1. In 1952
"Topps Bubblegum Card Company" issued the first ever
set of "bubblegum cards." In 1961, "Fleer" wanted a
piece of the pie and created their own set for 1 year.
The next year "Topps Bubblegum Card Company" sued
"Fleer" claiming that they had "Exclusive Distribution
Rights" to "bubblegum cards" and they won their case.
24 years later "Fleer" and another company "Donruss"
wanted the right to produce sports cards and again
"Topps Bubblegum Card Company" was taken to court for
an illegal business practice since they were the only
company allowed to produce sportscards for 25 years.
Again, "Topps Bubblegum Card Company" claimed they had
the "Exclusive Distribution Rights" to sell
"bubblegum" cards and in a way the courts agreed. They
said, Yes indeed "Topps Bubblegum Card Company" had
the "Exclusive Distribution Rights" to sell "bubblegum
cards" but that "Fleer," "Donruss" and anyone else who
wanted to can produce, package and sell sportscards
because as long as there was no "bubblegum" inside the
package they weren't infringing on "Topps" "Exclusive
Distribution Rights" to include "bubblegum" with their
product.
2. Wasn't it just 6 or 7 years ago that "Ma Bell"
claimed to have the "Exclusive Distribution Rights" to
phone service all across North America? Do you
remember what the government did? They deregulated an
ILLEGAL MONOPOLY in the same manner that the courts
deregulated "Topps" for the same illegal practice.
Now to the
point and again I promise you Charlie - NO MORE.
"Mr. Afore
Mentioned" claims that he's played boo coo bucks for
"Exclusive Distribution Rights" and of course "Mr.
Afore Mentioned" has. You don't think think that the
Sinatra Family, Joan Benny or the people that run
"Gunsmoke" let "Mr. Afore Mentioned" reproduce all the
pictures on his fancy packing for free do you? And
this is where the "Bubblegum" comes in. The difference
is the "Bubblegum" is on the outside of the package.
"Mr. Afore Mentioned" can sue anybody under the sun if
they package their products with the same "Bubblegum"
that he uses. But if they package their products in a
different manner and DO NOT use the likenesses of Mr.
Sinatra, Jack Benny, "Gunsmoke" or anyone else that
"Mr. Afore Mentioned" payed the boo coo bucks too then
he has no more control than the "TOPPS BUBBLEGUM
COMPANY" when it comes t0o what's inside the package.
Because if he did that would be called a ...... You
got it "ILLEGAL MONOPOLY" and a few of you have hit on
the real issue. Now may I very respectively ask, "Did
I do my homework?"
One final statement before I permanently
switch channels. "Mr. Aforementioned" gouges $[removed] for
1 audio cassette, video cassette, cd or DVD. Whenever
my father and I ran "RJR" we found the price to be so
insignificant that we absorbed it our self whenever it
was on a single order. Do you have any idea how much
it actually costs to mail 1 audio cassette, Video
cassette, CD or DVD un insured? (To insure it you have
to prove that the single item inside the package is
worth $[removed] or more.) The actual post office price is
75 cents for 1 uninsured item. Just thought you might
like to know.
Now back to our regularly scheduled
programming.
Mr. A. Joseph Ross asked about Fran Allison. Here's a
brief rundown of her radio career:
"Sunday Dinner At Aunt
Fanny's -" June 6 1938 - September 17, 39. No shows
are known to exist.
"The Peabody's - " a 15 Minute Monday,
Wednesday, Friday program that ran from sometime in
1946 to 1947. Three episodes are known to exist.
"Meet The
Meeks" which was also known as "The Adventures Of
Mortimer Meek." Forrest Lewis who also portrayed
"Jonah Wilde" on the "Roy Rogers Show" played
"Mortimer Meek" and Miss Allison played his wife,
Agatha. The series ran from September 6, 1947 until
April 30 1949 for a total of 87 episodes with 70 of
them said to be available.
"Gridley And The Girls" was more than
likely a pilot for a series that did not sell. But 1
show of it is said to be available.
Her last radio series was
"Kukla, Fran and Ollie" and yes it could've been a
radio-tv simulcast but I don't think it was. It was a
15 minute program airing Monday through Friday from
September 1, 1952 until June 1, 1953 for a total of
175 episodes and 6 or 7 are said to be in circulation.
Incidentally, did you know that when Burr Tillstrom
passed away his will stated that he was the only human
being whose hands could be put inside "Oliver J.
Dragon" and "Kukla?" and Mr. Ross, if you'd like me to
copy you a "Kukla, Fran and Ollie" album plus a 45
(remember those) of Fran Allison singing "The Men In
My Little Girls Life" (she had a beautiful voice" I'll
do it. All you have to do is ask.
Michael Biel either
mis-read, mis typed, was victimized by mis-information
or just flat out didn't know "Mr. Greenjeans' real
name. It happens to be Hugh "Lumpy" Branum - not
Brannigan.
There was a thread going on a while back about "Sorry,
Wrong Number." One person said he thought that there
never was an East Coast/ West Coast version and the
"Fluff" on the "East Version" was simply edited out.
How wrong he was. The fluff was this - The murderer
strangles Agnes Moorehead and then picks up the
telephone and says sorry, wrong number before the
sound man rings the phone's bells at confused the hell
out of everyone on the East Coast but it came of
without a hitch on the "West Coast. On the very next
episode, Joseph Kearns, "The Man In Black" himself
stepped out of character and explained the "Fluff" and
exactly how the program was supposed to end to the
entire confused East Coast. I have the shows and can
confirm this.
Goodnight, all.
.
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:24:47 -0400
From: Ben Ohmart <bloodbleeds@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: otr photo license?
I'm working on an otr book and was curious if there
are any companies that license old photos to use in
books. Would appreciate any leads. Thanks.
=====
Check out Fibber McGee's Scrapbook,
a new otr book!
[removed]
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:25:08 -0400
From: Kenneth L Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Sherlock Holmes bloopers
I was listening to a tape of Sherlock Holmes as played
by John Gielgud recently and thought I noticed something
out of place. At the beginning of the episodes, the
person who introduced Dr. Watson introduced him as DR.
James Watson, but in the story this character introduced
himself to Sherlock Holmes as Dr. John Watson.
Isn't 'Dr. John Watson' the character's correct name?
Kenneth Clarke
kclarke5@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:28:32 -0400
From: JackBenny@[removed]
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Through the looking glass
This isn't OTR, but Jim Stokes' story of his post-Christmas blooper reminded
me of it. Stop me if you've heard this [removed](I've told it so many times
that I can't remember who has heard it)
I was on a station in Fort Wayne, Indiana, where one person had to do the
announcing for both the FM (easy listening) and AM (gold rush oldies) sides.
The AM was automated, so you'd go in and do your back announcing for the
entire hour onto one cart, then your weather, news, etc. onto another cart.
Check the music reels in back to see if they're running out, plug in the
carts, and go back to focusing on the FM side. There were times people were
live on FM and leading into the weather (or whatever), suddenly realizing
that you'd left the report sheet in the AM studio.
There was a large plate glass window in the FM studio that allowed visitors
coming through the front door to see directly into it. Also, the only time
that you didn't have to run both FM and AM simultaneously was when we had a
game broadcast (usually baseball). For the games, we had some rather
interesting characters who came in to play local commercials from carts and
generally monitor the broadcast (no announcing). One of them was Warren.
I was the only one who was brave enough to work alone in the station with
Warren, and in retrospect, I should have been the one who was most afraid of
him. But that's another story. Warren would come in and joke around with me
a lot, and sometimes make goofy motions or faces. So I'm getting to the end
of a Saturday 6 to midnight shift, and I'm doing the wrap-up weather. I see
something in my peripheral vision through that plate glass window, and glance
away from my weather script. There was Warren, bent over, pants down,
presenting his posterior to me.
Unfortunately, I have absolutely no memory of what happened next. All I can
hope is that I reported that there was a full moon out that night.
--Laura Leff
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:28:34 -0400
From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Fluffs
I hate to admit this one. The moral of the story is: Don't kid around with
names of songs, shows, products, [removed] some day you will inadvertently
say them the wrong way on the air.
A friend and I had dropped by a Tacoma station where old-coworker Merle was
a nighttime announcer. It was after midnight and he had sent out for a
bottle of booze to celebrate the three of us getting back together again.
(We had worked together at KWLK, Longview, WA)
About that time he had to do a DJ job, and invited me to sit in and do the
honors with him. [removed] you [removed] DJ's worst dreams came true.
I announced "A good man is hard to find", as "A hard man is good to find".
I think the only thing that saved Merle's neck was the fact that it was late
in Tacoma and there werent too many listeners.
Lois Culver
KWLK Radio (Mutual) Longview, WA 1941-44
KFI Radio (NBC) Los Angeles CA 1945-47, 50-53
Widow of Howard Culver, actor
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:28:35 -0400
From: "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Lights Out Question.
Hi everyone. I have two Lights Out shows that I am trying to identify the
proper title to and date if possible. These came as part of collection my
Dad bought some years ago from Carl Freolich, Jr.
The First episode is about 850 year old Ghost that returns to help. The
Other episode is about the Ghost of a Dead Native. These descriptions are
from the cassette set. I've tried to identify from a log from Jerry Log web
site but have had no luck. I have not listened to them for some time and
cannot remember much of the story content. I hope somone out there might be
able to help.
Sincerely,
Mike Kerezman
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:28:38 -0400
From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Halls of Ivy
"Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; posed a question
for Conrad:
Conrad, do you have any memories about working on the Halls of > Ivy show.
I was going through my collection of this show, and > notice you where on
two of them.
I do, remember doing the show, Walden, in spite of my being a
bit fuzzy about where the broadcast stemmed from. I'm thinking
CBS and have a dim recollection we did the show from CBS perhaps
even the same studio from which I did "The Mayor of the Town."
I remember one of the shows you referred to in particular
given I was required to spout off some latin names of garden
flowers which I had apparently learned in some of my Ivy College
classes. I did my Webster's pronouncing dictionary homework for
that show. I remember as well I thought it funny to be playing
a college student for at the time I hadn't yet graduated
from my own Hollwood High School.
I also enjoyed working with the Colemans but didn't have much
contact with them other than at the microphone.
I remember seeing the couple working opposite each other on
mike and thinking how fortunate Ronald was to have such a good
looking wife. (It was during the time I was learning of my
affinity for full figured women) Hey Harlan? *Grin*
I believe this show is one of the very best of Old Time Radio
history. The writing, and acting was very good on this show.
Walden, (a great name) I think you're on the mark. What I like
about the show was the music orchestrations of the theme and that
included in same were four choral type singers. I don't remember
the name of the group, but as I again think I recall it was one
of the well known quartets of the era, guys I'd see in the halls
of studios in town.
The scripts were as you said, well done, and amusing as well. As
for what I could do to contribute to the show re my roles, I can
only say I tried my best. *G*
CAB
--
conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
From the Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms
Encino, California.
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:29:02 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: There Is More Than One Perspective
Speaking of Anthony Tollin's comments about copyrights, Tom van der Voort
notes,
On the one hand, we are told that Radio Spirits has been exemplary in
its fairness to those who labored long and hard in the OTR trenches by
paying them their justly deserved copyright fees. On the other hand, we
are told that it doesn't want to provoke a bidding war by providing
details of its contracts. But who would benefit from a bidding war?
The very rights holders that Radio Spirits has treated so generously.
Regrettably, even the simplest questions might have complex answers. In
this discussion I am rigorously going to try to be objective.
Ideally, any sale of an OTR tape or CD should result in the people who
created the show getting a copyright fee, the largest possible. However,
that's the ideal, not the reality. Realistically, any business is
obliged to try to survive in a competing marketplace, and as such, is not
required to divulge what's called "marketing sensitive" or "company
confidential" information.
In the case of RSI, though, there's a competing problem: apparent
infringements. _If_ a company in any field infringes on the copyrights
of another company (call them Company A and Company B respectively),
Company A has every right to bring this to the attention of Company B,
and _with appropriate proof_ should be able to get them to stop any
infringements. "Appropriate proof" can consist of revealing which
property Company A has rights to; however, this can and should be a
private communication to Company B; not an open letter. If Company B is
told that it's infringing on copyrights owned by Company A, then Company
B deserves a detailed description of the material under contention, not
something vague.
Now a direct communication between Company A to Company B about an
apparent infringement ordinarily does _not_ violate company
confidentiality, in that what revelation made has only to be made to
Company B, not to the public in general.
However, if Company A is a distributor, what sort of distribution
agreement has been made with the holder of the product's rights? Does
Company A have exclusive distribution rights, or nonexclusive? This can
make a big difference.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 22:29:31 -0400
From: "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 5 Part Johnny Dollar
Doug Leary writes
Thanks to Tim Ballew for bringing up the 5-part Johnny Dollar stories. I
had
listened to a couple of the earlier episodes and found them rather
uninteresting. Dollar seemed to breeze lightly through every situation,
with
no sense that he was ever in any real danger. I didn't understand what
people saw in the series.
After reading Tim's comments I downloaded a couple of the Bob Bailey 5-part
stories and found them much more interesting.
Actually I was able to make Johnny Dollar convert out of my Dad through the
Five Parters. My Dad had long avoided this program due some personal
experiences in the past with Insurance companies and the program had carried
a negative connotation for that very reason. He had collected shows for long
time but never acquired more than two shows : the later 30 minute ones.
After accidentally listening to one of the Five parters that I had
purchased, he was hooked not wanting to listen to anything else for some
time. Its amazing how our perceptions can color our likes and dislikes even
with particular Old Time radio shows.
Sincerely,
Mike Kerezman
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:02:27 -0400
From: LPEVANS221@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Sam Spade fluff
Hi Gang,
I was listening to a Sam Spade show - "The Dick Foley Caper" - 9/26/48. At
the end of the show Sam (Howard Duff) says "Goodnight Libby". There is a
slight pause. Effie (Lurene Tuttle) sort of chuckles and says "Goodnight
Sam". Sam then chuckles"Goodnight Sweetheart".
Does anyone know, for sure, if Lurene Tuttle's nickname was Libby? That
would be my guess, but I wonder if anyone knows, for sure.
Larry Evans - WA8DDN
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Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2001 23:12:40 -0400
From: "@" <josephpostove@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Skip Homeier
Norma Desmond said "they had faces then", and so with all the posts about
Skip Homeier in recent digests, I got to wondering just who this very famous
man is:>)
I checked his resume at the usual place (IMdb) and alas, no pic. But then I
remembered I had a character actor digest of sorts in my favorites (I have
so many "favorites" in my favorites that it has become an "ordinary") and
looked him up. Well, there he was; what's his name! One of the character
actors whose name we never knew, but whose face we never forget.
There ought to be a character actor's hall of fame.
See the face:
[removed]
[removed]
Joe Postove
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 00:32:07 -0400
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Tony Karloff
You're right Tony wasn't Boris' son. His real name was
Stanich. However, he was a first rate radio actor and
appeared in many Of Jim French's productions in the
seventies. When Jim resumed production in 1990 Tony
was availible for the early shows. He has unfortunaely
since passed away. L. Albert
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 01:06:01 -0400
From: JimInks@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Archie comics
I'm the artist who Hal (Jughead) Stone mentioned as being on this list. I
disagree with the person who thinks that the Archie stories after the early
1970's are poorly drawn and written. Maybe you haven't read enough of them.
Many of the same artists and writers whose older work you like are still with
the company and are doing good work. In fact, Dan DeCarlo, who's style is
the model most of us emulate, started with Archie in the early 1950's and it
was only last year that he left the company. That's enough to consider him a
recent Archie artist. Stan Goldberg, the other chief artist, has worked for
the company since 1968 and is considered to be the main artist today, at
least in my opinion. There are many other good artists that still do the
books.
There may be a certain charm from the 50's and 60's that isn't there now, but
the comics have more or less stayed contemporary. Perhaps it's the nostalgic
look of those times that's missing for you in the more recent stories. Or
perhaps you liked the art of Sam Schwartz and Bob White; men that have since
passed away.
The digests have several new stories in each issue. It's not a hard and fast
rule, but generally the double digests have three new stories and the regular
digests have two, usually at the front and back of the book. You can always
tell the new stories from the old not just by the look but by the fact that
only new stories have creator credits.
And as Tony Tollin pointed out, Archie has stayed successful because " the
ARCHIE comics are still character- and story-driven titles aimed at a general
market of readers, not a small market of collectors. "
The stories are easy to follow, unlike many of today's comics. The
characters are likable and as believable as many of the so-called "reality
based " characters you see in other media. The Archie digests outsell most
if not all of other comic company titles. Easier access to them and the
stories and art are the reasons. No parent would be afraid of letting their
kids read them which is more than I can say for some of the things we see on
television and even other comics. And I do know many adults who still read
Archie comics. Sounds like old time radio in some ways, doesn't it?
-Jim Amash
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:52:12 -0400
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: broadcast years
The Great Gilderslieves last broadcast date was 3-21-57, and One Man Family
last broadcast was in April of 1959.
Walden Hughes
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 09:52:15 -0400
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: alive actors
Herb Ellis is around and did and interview with one of the Gassman twins
last year on YUSA. Parley Baer just attend a Pacific Pioneers luncheon, and
Mason Adams is around. Jay Hickerson has detail list available of who has
past away since 1970.
Walden Hughes
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:09:51 -0400
From: Don Hunt <ddhunt@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Let's Watch The Radio" on "Yesterday USA"
>From Don Hunt <ddhunt@[removed] >
Sent Tuesday, June 12, 2001
This is an invitation to join me as we watch The Radio all this week and
next week on "Yesterday USA-the
24/7 internet, cable, satelite radio station that features OTR Shows and
vintage music. I am competing with
four other candidates to fill one of three vacant DJ spots. For those who
may not be familiar with Y-USA"
the format is facilitated by the airing of sixteen 90 minute tapes-each
numbered 1-16- which are aired in
numercial order each day. The tapes are then replayed in reverse order.
My Program, "Let's Watch The Radio" is heard on Tape #12 and will be aired
twice each day, at different times-
through June 23 rd.
I will be presenting two classic radio programs from my library in an
appriximate 1 hour format.
Listen to my competitors on tapes #2, 5 and 8, in addition to myself
carefully. And, then if you are a member of
"Yesterday USA" on Sunday, June 24 you will have an opportunity to select
one of us to be a new YUSA DJ. If
you're not familiar with the station, pull up [removed].
Go to "Live Show" link, check their broadcast schedule and tune in for
further details.
To listen to 24 hr streaming audio click on "radio" icon in the upper left
corner of web page.
I think you will find my show unigue in terms of presentation and,
hopefully, enjoyable as well. Thank you.
Don Hunt.
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Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:09:54 -0400
From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Hans and Jerry
"Stewart Wright" <stewwright@[removed]; asked if we
Knew That:
Veteran radio actors Hans Conried and Jerry Hausner starred
in an early episode of The Adventures of Harry Nile series
"Favor For A Friend" - that was recorded in 1978, but the
episode was not aired when planned because of a change in
the station's format. The episode finally aired in 1990.
No, Stewart, didn't know that but here are links to my
Hans and Jerry pages (no NOT the Katzenjammer Kids):
[removed]
[removed] New
CAB
--
conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
From the Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms
Encino, California.
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