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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2003 : Issue 411
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Thanks for the info about Lizzie Bor  [ Dwane Harney <toys413@[removed]; ]
  RE:A&C title (OT)                     [ Dwane Harney <toys413@[removed]; ]
  11-14 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  re: Big Band MP3's                    [ Stephen Davies <SDavies@[removed]; ]
  Great place to learn and get help     [ vigor16@[removed] ]
  Art Carney                            [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
  Dunning's Book on Sale                [ "Dennis Mansker" <dennis@[removed] ]
  Of course I know you                  [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
  Second Daily News Article on Carney'  [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
  "Wonderful World"                     [ Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed] ]
  two questions                         [ k g-g <grams46@[removed] ]
  Sponsor-named programs                [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  Today in otr history                  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Re: Art Carney                        [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Penny Singleton Memoriam              [ "Bill and Sue-On Hillman" <hillmans ]
  Penny Singleton                       [ Udmacon@[removed] ]

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:49:52 -0500
From: Dwane Harney <toys413@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Thanks for the info about Lizzie Borden

This is just a short note to thank Alan Chapman for
the information about Lizzie Borden.

Thanks,
Dwane

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:50:08 -0500
From: Dwane Harney <toys413@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  RE:A&C title (OT)

I can't find the movie with the immortal routine,
"POKO MOKO! POCO MOKO!!!???  Slowly I turned, step
by step, inch by inch . . .,"

I believe the movie you are referring to is "Lost in a
Harem". Here are a couple of websites that mention the
routine:

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[removed]~[removed]

They say that the routine was done first by the Three
Stooges, but it used "Niagara Falls" in place of "Poko
Moko".

Hope that helps,
Dwane

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:50:16 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  11-14 births/deaths

November 14th births

11-14-1900 - Aaron Copland - NYC - d. 12-2-1990
composer: "Document A/777"
11-14-1901 - Morton Downey - Wallingford, CT  - d. 10-25-1985
singer: (The Irish Thrush), "Morton Downey Show"; "Songs by Morton Downey"
11-14-1904 - Dick Powell - Mountain. View, AR - d. 1-2-1963
actor: Richard Diamond "Richard Diamond, Private Detective"; Richard Rogue
"Rogue"s Gallery"
11-14-1905 - Wilbur "Budd" Hulick - Asbury Park, NJ
comedian: "Stoopnagle and Budd"; Mortimer Meek "Meet Mr. Meek"
11-14-1910 - Rosemary De Camp - Prescott, Arizona Territory - d. 2-20-2001
actress: Nurse Judy Price, "Dr. Christian"
11-14-1914 - Court Benson - Vancouver, Canada - d. 2-5-1995
announcer, narrator: "Tennessee Jed"
11-14-1914 - Ken Carson - Colgate, OK - d. 4-7-1994
singer: (Lustre Cream Shampoo commercial) "Day in the Life of Dennis Day"
11-14-1915 - Martha Tilton - Corpus Christi, TX
singer: "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "Curt Massey-Martha Tilton Program"
11-14-1920 - Johnny Desmond - Detroit, MI - d. 9-6-1985
singer: "I Sustain the Wings"; "Philip Morris Frolics"; "Songs for Sale"

November 14th deaths

01-26-1907 - Eddie Ballentine - Chicago, IL - d. 11-14-1995
orchestra leader: "Don McNeill"s Breakfast Club"
02-07-1920 - Eddie Bracken - Astoria, NY - d. 11-14-2002
comedian: "Eddie Bracken Show"; Dizzy Stevens "Aldrich Family"
02-27-1894 - Upton Close - Kelso, WA - d. 11-14-1960
commentator: "Events and Trends of the Week"; "Close-Ups of the :News"
09-01-1904 - Johnny Mack Brown - Dothan, AL - d. 11-14-1974
actor: "Straight Arrow"
10-15-1908 - Robert Trout - Wake Country, NC - d. 11-14-2000
commentator: "Headlines & Bylines"; "Robert Trout with the News Til Now"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:51:02 -0500
From: Stephen Davies <SDavies@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  re: Big Band MP3's
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        I didn't hear an answer to Peter Appleyard's query for big band
MP3's.  There's a lot of websites where you can stream music, but not
download it.  An interesting, high-quality example is "Jan's 78 rpm Record
Warehouse".
                [removed]

        There is also a developing website (American) called Project
Gramophone, which appears devoted to making music of the 1920's and '30's
avaiable to non-Americans (but not to Americans because of copyright
snags).  We may have to wait for this project to be more fully developed.

        I have a similar big band problem.  I'm trying to find a
functioning discussion list about historical big bands.  Can anyone direct
me to a thriving list of band fans?
        Thanks.
Stephen Davies

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:51:13 -0500
From: vigor16@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Great place to learn and get help

Hi all,

I just want to thank you all and Charlie for being a service.  Recently,
I had questions about playing mp3 on my Crosley radio, I got answers from
one of you.  I have learned a lot about the hobby, which enhances my love
for it.  I have a friend who is just getting into the hobby and I've
learned from you all, don't push too hard.  This is a pretty good
group--these radio listeners.  I get to hear who is doing what with OTR.
I share seasonal listening with thousands of folks, and not even have to
be in the same city--like the Cinnimon Bear.  I will think of you guys
next time someone is rude or inpatient with me.  I do have some great
friends who share, inform and stay in touch.  I have been lerking, but
had no questions, but I didn't want to fade from sight.  Let's never stop
being helpful to one another.  I also appreciate all the "behind the
scene" folks who keep the enthusiasm for OTR going. Radio listening may
be coming back.  I was told of some Christian work in OTR type
programming going on.  I hear they did the Adventures of Narnea and other
types of shows and it is well received by Christian radio around the
country.  Does that mean, we could see a rebirth of general OTR
personalities and programming.  Television seems to have the greatest
success when it's related to OTR in some way.  A person with ties to OTR
or a show with reference to it has a great deal of success. Some, like
one of my favorites, flopped right from the beginning.  It was a William
Conrad "Adventures of Nero Wolfe" series in the mid 1980s. Again, thanks
for your informativeness. Maybe, someday, I'll get enough time off work
and go to a convention.  Maybe, my wife and I can sneak off to Chicago,
that's not far.  Bye for now.

Your friend
Deric

Nice to hear from you!
God and I care
Deric J. McCoy  314-352-0890

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:51:53 -0500
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Art Carney

I have personal memories of Art Carney.    Art lived in the posh Crestwood
section of Yonkers, NY, in Westchester County when I was in school in the
50s.   I grew up in what we called the Crestwood section of
Tuckahoe/Eastchester NY.    The border was actually at the train station.
Since Crestwood was basically residential Art used to cross the tracks and
hang out in Tuckahoe and Eastchester.   He was truly a regular guy, and shy
and not comfortable with celebrity.   Everyone treated him that way.
There was a little luncheonette near the Crestwood Station with new owners
who had moved to the area when they bought the store.    The wife, Rose, was
a very outgoing person and as she related the story to me later Art Carney
walked in and she completely lost it, screaming "you're Art Carney".     He
turned red and she said he wanted to run away but stayed it out and she
ignored who he was from then on.  She said she apologized 'forever'

He used to regularly hang out, shooting the breeze with the cops on the
street corners, dropped in at the watering holes, and at my dad's
luncheonette near the Tuckahoe station.  He was always described as a 'nice
guy,' 'a regular person.'   Mt. Vernon, where Art was born was not too far
away.   In fact he pretty much stayed close to his roots for most of his
life.
-Irene

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:52:15 -0500
From: "Dennis Mansker" <dennis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Dunning's Book on Sale

I just received a new catalog in the mail from the Oxford University Press.
They have Dunning's On the Air for sale for $[removed]
Point your browser to [removed] and the promo code
will be entered for you. If for some reason it isn't, or you can't get to
this website, you can always go to their main US page at
[removed] and enter the code manually: 23711
The usual disclaimers: Not affiliated, not partnering, not profiting, etc.
Just noticed it in the catalog and thought someone might be interested.

Dennis Mansker

The Mansker Chronicles: [removed]
Chairborne Ranger, featuring A Bad Attitude: A Novel from the Vietnam War:
[removed]

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:52:39 -0500
From: JackBenny@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Of course I know you

GEORGE AUST writes:

This guy?  THIS GUY??  I do have a name you know Laura! And it's notlike we
haven't met before. We had quite a long conversation at
last year Sperdvac Convention.

Hey, [removed] course I knew who you were.  Just didn't know if you wanted
public credit for the question.  I appreciate you kicking off the panel
questions, and the other panel members were Johnny McGovern and (from the
back of the room) Ray Erlenborn.  My sincere thanks to SPERDVAC for having us
[removed]'s always a treat to talk about Jack Benny.

And if you're interested in seeing Eddie Carroll's performance, go to
[removed], or [removed] and look under Goodies for a page
on Eddie and upcoming performance dates.

Laura Leff
President, IJBFC
[removed]

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:53:09 -0500
From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Second Daily News Article on Carney's Radio
 Career

David Hinckley wrote a long article about Art Carney's radio carreer and
plugged Max Schmid's upcoming show that will include Carney radio appearnces
(Sunday night at 7:00 [removed], [removed] [removed] in New York and [removed]
everywhere else) including highlights in today's edition.
As usual with David, it's a very nice piece.  He actually wrote me a note
after reading Jack French's article on the same subject apologizing for
being "superficial."  I think the fact that there is one reporter left in
New York who cares that much about radio history is extraordinary.  How many
other reporters bothered to mention anything other than "March of Time" in
the obits?  David gave us a whole second article.

Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:53:31 -0500
From: Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "Wonderful World"

Just a quick note here to thank those of you who
answered my Lum 'n Abner question about the
catch-phrase "Wonderful World". I had picked up the
storyline immediately after the departure of Diogenes
Smith, so the answers I received filled in the blanks
nicely.
When we have questions like this, it's nice to know
that we can use the fire-alarm ring here on Charlie's
party line and get the help we need. And to those of
you who took the time to respond, thanks again,.. "it
was mighty thoughty of ya".
"Wonderful world!"
-FIBBERMAC-

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:53:58 -0500
From: k g-g <grams46@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  two questions

question 1:
how do kansas natives pronounce the arkansas river?   matt dillon on gunsmoke
always called it the  "r kansas".   is that the correct pronunciation?

question 2:
when i listen to old radio programs or new radio programs or music on a web
site, i can never get beyond the first few seconds.   it keeps rebuffering.
anyone know how i can solve this problem?

thanks in advance from kathy

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 00:54:16 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Sponsor-named programs

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:04:33 -0500
From: <otrbuff@[removed];

The advertisers in early radio loved to name their programs after
themselves ([removed] The A&P Gypsies, The Voice of Firestone, The Lucky
Strike Program (with Jack Benny), Maxwell House Coffee Time (with Burns
and Allen), The Ford Show (with Dinah Shore), The Kraft Music Hall
(with Bing Crosby), etc., etc., etc.  

This was also true in early television:  Coke Time (Eddie Fisher), the Texaco Star Theater 
(Milton Berle), The Buick-Berle Show (Milton Berle, later Donald O'Connor and Jimmy 
Durante), The Kraft Music Hall (Milton Berle, David King, Perry Como), the Colgate Comedy 
Hour (Various comics), the Bob Hope Chevy Show, the Bob Hope Plymouth Show, the Bob 
Hope Chrysler Show, etc.

This extended to other types of shows, too, such as dramatic shows The General Electric 
Theater (hosted by Ronald Reagan), the Goodyear Theater, the Alcoa Hour, the Kraft 
Television Theater, and even news shows, such as the Camel News Caravan, with John 
Cameron Swayze on NBC.

-- A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed] 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@[removed] Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:08:31 -0500 From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed]; To: otrd <[removed]@[removed]; Subject: Today in otr history From Those Were The Days -- 11/14 1921 - KYW radio, Chicago, IL broadcast the first opera by a professional company. Listeners heard Samson Et Dalila as it was being performed at the Chicago Auditorium. (From Today in History at the NY Times -- In 1922, the British Broadcasting Corp. began its domestic radio service.) 11/15 1926 - Network radio was born. 24 stations carried the first broadcast from the National Broadcasting Company. The program was a gala 4 1/2-hour broadcast from the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel in New York City. Joe -- Visit my homepage: [removed]~[removed] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:10:31 -0500 From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; To: <[removed]@[removed]; Subject: Re: Art Carney Sean Dougherty just posted;
David Hinckley, as usual, finds time to include reference to Mr. Carney's
radio work.  He would like to write a little more on the subject so if
anyone on this list has a more complete log of Mr. Carney's radio work
please send it to me and I'll pass it along.

First off, I would like to add my voice to those who are deeply saddened by
Art's passing.

It would be virtually impossible to compile a "more complete" log of my
friend Art Carney's radio work. Art was one of the busiest actors on the New
York radio scene.  But being a "journeyman" performer, capable of a wide
range of "Characters Voices", dialect, etc., he was kept quite busy.
However, back in those days, one did not always receive name Credits on the
various programs unless they were the lead, or played one of the major
roles. Art was undoubtedly on the "A" list among Directors and producers,
and was very popular among his peers.

When one worked in radio back then, and became known for their ability to do
many "voices", they doubled and tripled their job opportunities. And since
there was not the "Status" problem that eventually existed in TV, an actor
accepted practically any assignment or part, no matter how small, as long as
it didn't conflict with a program they were already hired to perform on. It
simply meant a talent fee, and it mattered little if it was the minimum for
a sustaining program,, commercially sponsored show, daytime or prime time.

To make a "decent" living, one needed to work often. No one got rich in
radio if they relied on one steady part on just one program. The mark of
financial success was not necessarily getting the lead in "a" show. The mark
of success to a radio actor was "How often you were hired", thereby
accumulating many fees over a weeks time.

I can practically guarantee you that Art's radio credits will not include
the numerous times he appeared on the Archie Andrews show". As an example,
because of his versatility, we was called upon, (over the years), to play an
Irish cop with perhaps only six lines of Dialogue. Or maybe the local
grocer, cab driver, visiting dignitary, etc. My favorite was when he played
"Jugheads" infamous "Uncle Herman" on quite a few of our earlier episodes.

Art's unheralded work on our show was probably duplicated many times over on
a host of other programs. He worked a lot in radio because he was good at
what he did, was a nice guy, (basically quiet and unassuming), a team
player, and not a phony bone in his body.

We who knew him from those days were thrilled at his later success in TV and
films. If anyone deserved public recognition for talent, it was Art Carney.

Around the halls of NBC, it was sort of amusing after Art's face became
famous due to his fabulous "Norton" character on TV. Apparently, in my
youth, Art and I once resembled each other to a great extent. If you don't
believe me, (for those Digesters who bought my book, "Aw!Relax, Archie!
Re-laxx"), check out the picture on page 285. If people didn't know my name,
they often asked if Art was my older brother. (Of course, I was the slightly
prettier sibling) :)

And I will admit that I shamelessly took advantage of the resemblance and
when asked, would do an impression of Art as "Norton" for my friends at
social gatherings. I think I was asked to do that as often as I was asked to
speak like "Jughead".

The last  time I saw Art was a chance meeting 25 years ago at the check out
counter in the infamous Schwabs (spelling) Drugstore in [removed]

We both had a little time to spare, and over coffee, we enjoyed a half hour
chat that primarily consisted of "Whatever happened to", regarding many of
the people we worked with back in those fun Radio days. I of course was well
aware of Art's achievements over the Years, and he seemed interested and
pleased that I had become a successful TV commercial director.

Someone just  mentioned on the Digest that they tried to interview Art, and
was told he didn't do interviews. Knowing Art, I think he adopted that
position for one reason. He would invariable be asked about his opinion of
some of the famous people he worked with, and if it wasn't a positive
experience, he's just as soon keep his mouth shut.

He was a nice man, and one hell of a performer.

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead             [removed]

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:33:04 -0500
From: "Bill and Sue-On Hillman" <hillmans@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Penny Singleton Memoriam

The Official Penny "Blondie" Singleton site
[removed]
is being overwhelmed with visits since her passing on Wednesday.
If you are having trouble accessing it today,
The alternate, mirror site is:
[removed]
With the Memoriam at:
[removed]

Bill Hillman
Bill and Sue-On Hillman Eclectic Studio
[removed]~hillmans/

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:00:13 -0500
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Penny Singleton
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CNN Radio News just acknowledged the death of Penny Singleton, saying she was
"the voice of Jane Jetson."

BLONDIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Bill Knowlton

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