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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2003 : Issue 90
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Atwater Kent price [ "George Coppen*" <gacoppen@[removed] ]
Gen. Patton and an old friend [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
How many episodes of Philco Radio Ti [ Dwane Harney <toys413@[removed]; ]
Fibber's game [ "welsa" <welsa@[removed]; ]
Vic and Sade and Bing? [ "Brad Stucky" <[removed]@[removed]; ]
Radio Song, an audio [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
Monkey Do. [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
World's Greatest Old-Time Radio Show [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
Re: "Monkey Show" [ Bryan Wright <bswrig@[removed]; ]
Re: Lone Ranger [ Bryan Wright <bswrig@[removed]; ]
cbs in berlin in the summer of 1940 [ Grams46@[removed] ]
comedy routines [ "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@charter ]
Re: Lone Ranger movie serial name [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
Re: Adventures of Babe Ruth? [ Jean-Henri Duteau <jeand@telusplane ]
cleaning up material [ Michael Berger <makiju@[removed]; ]
Re: World's Greatest Old-Time Radio [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
Re: Lone Ranger changes [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
Today in radio history [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
2-27 Birthdays [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Re: "Never stops being funny!" [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
Re: Next Generation [ "" <david@[removed]; ]
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:50:20 -0500
From: "George Coppen*" <gacoppen@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Atwater Kent price
Just a couple of notes re George Aust's coments re Atwater Kent Model 976
Radio, George I have another opinion. My 1st question to anyone wanting
anything is "how bad do you want it?" An example of this is about 5 years
ago I found a radio at a garage sale that was marked $[removed] It was an
Addison Model # 2 . It was old, but suited the idea I had of hooking up my
recorder to and playing OTR through the speaker so I bought it and paid
$[removed] for it. I got laughed at for paying so much but it was what I
wanted. I bought it because it looked old and thats what I wanted, a radio
that looked as old as the programs that I would be playing through its
speaker.
Another thing that George has implied is to replace the old parts with new
ones. Why would you even think of doing that? For safety reasons? When you
have an antique, you turn it on and play for a wee while not all day or
night and let it become all heated up. At least thats the way most people I
know that collect items that are 50, 60 or even 70 years old do things. If
you can obtain new parts that are ORIGINAL PARTS as old as the ones you are
replacing. thats another story. Why would you purchase an old radio and put
new parts in it? do that and its not old any more. Have you ever gone out to
an antique car show and seen antique cars with brand new 2003 parts on the
cars?? Forget it, do that and its not an antique any more. Again, and I
repeat ...this is only MY [removed] people take a tape of an OTR
program, they clean it up by taking all the hisses, pops, scratches and
whistles out of [removed] not OTR thats just plain entertainment and
it most certainly is not the way it sounded back when it was originally
broadcast 60 and 70 years ago when I was listening, and do you know what?? I
thought it was the living end then and I still do today. Can you imagine
listening to Fibber and Molly played on surround [removed] it old
Fibber would turn over in his grave.
OK, I suppose this could be carried on and be hashed over forever so I will
get off my soap box and get back to the original question, is the Atwater
Kent worth $[removed] ???....The answer is still "how bad do you want it"
thats the guage you have to go by unless you are a dealer and plan on
reselling it and making a profit. I suppose to some people think the $[removed]
I payed for a dirty old radio was way to much but to me it was exactly what
I wanted and I would not miss the $[removed] I suppose to some people $[removed]
is a lot of money, to others $[removed] is a reasonable price, its a darn good
thing we dont all see out of the same eyes and hear with the same ears or it
would be a boring world.
George
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:50:53 -0500
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Gen. Patton and an old friend
Jon Martin's comments about his father raised a question in my mind. Let
me explain; a bit off-topic but I hope still of interest.
Newly residents of Appomattox, Virginia, my wife Charlotte and I have been
learning much about the American Civil War which previously we did not
know. Charlotte is an fine artist, and is working on a series of pencil
sketches (some monochrome, some color) of Civil War Heroes: North and
South, Black and White, Male and Female. She has become well known in
the area, as prints and cards derived from these and other works are sold
in a number of local shops and restaurants.
One of Charlotte's favorite subjects is Virginian Col. John Singleton
Mosby (1833-1916), the famous Confederate raider who was respected and
feared by his Union adversaries.
After the war, President U. S. Grant appointed successful attorney Mosby to
a series of prestigious federal posts. An active horseman, Mosby travelled
the country. A favorite place to visit, in his old age, was a ranch in
California where he met another, much younger, but equally avid equestrian
known to his friends as Georgie. The lives of the two men overlapped by
about three decades, but their fondness for horsemanship was in perfect
synchronization. Soldier-horsemen John and young George became fast friends.
Mosby's young friend was George S. Patton, Jr. (1885-1945). General Patton
admired Mosby and studied his wartime strategies and exploits. He heard
many of them from Mosby's mouth, and studied the written archives at
length. Patton frequently put them to use in his successful activities
against the Germans during the second world war, just as he (and we)
benefited from Patton's reading of Erwin Rommel's book and his techniques
and strategies.
Jon Martin, perhaps you could ask your Dad if he ever heard George Patton
speak about Mosby, the original Mosby's Raider! If so, please share with
us these comments, as well as the broadcasting connections!
Lee Munsick
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:50:58 -0500
From: Dwane Harney <toys413@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: How many episodes of Philco Radio Time were
made?
I'm wanting to put episodes numbers with my Philco
Radio Time episodes, but I don't know where to find a
log with all the numbers. This website has a detailed
list of Bing Crosby shows, but says, "These lists are
not complete.":
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It list a total of 107 shows for Philco Radio Time's
three seasons as follows:
10-16-46 to 06-18-47 - 36 shows
10-01-47 to 06-02-48 - 35 shows
09-29-48 to 06-01-49 - 36 shows
They do not list an episode for 12-24-47, which many
places say exists. RadioGOLDINdex says the December
24, 1947 episode was a "rebroadcast of the program of
December 25, 1946".
Does anyone know how many episodes were made, or have
a link to a log with episode numbers?
Thank you very much,
Dwane
toys413@[removed]
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:51:10 -0500
From: "welsa" <welsa@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Fibber's game
Yesterday at a flea market I picked up a box containing "FIBBER McGEE: A
hilarious party game for any number of players."
The main item in it is a book with short stories supposedly told by Fibber.
Every time there is a blank in the story, a player draws a card from the box
and reads what's on it. The cards each carry points and you hope you draw
the higher valued cards.
Example: We McGees are direct descendants from__________and proud of it.
The card I just drew reads: A box of liver pills.
It was put out in 1936 and this one even has the original price tag from
Boston Stores in Milwaukee. 50¢.
Not a spectacular item of memorabilia, but it will look nice sitting on top
of my 1929 Atwater Kent radio.
Ted
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:51:34 -0500
From: "Brad Stucky" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Vic and Sade and Bing?
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Listening to some of the Vic and Sade episodes when they were sponsored by
Oxydol, I hear the Camay spot at the end sung by soeone who sounds a lot like
Bing Crosby. The lower register, toward the end of the jingle, sounds a lot
like him. Does anyone kow?
Thanks,
Brad
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:52:23 -0500
From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Radio Song, an audio
OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:-"welsa" writes:
I've been listening to a recording of Bob Marcus'
ditty called RADIO. I'm not sure who is even singing
it. I've been trying to make out the lyrics. Below is
what I have so far. But where there is a line drawn, I
can't make it out. Can anyone here help with the
missing lyrics? The recording I have was done by Banu
Gibson, a jazz singer, while in New Orleans, I am
guessing sometime around 1981. A very cute little song
about radio daze gone by. Here is what I have.
Radio - Remember radio? We'd sit and close our eyes
And use our imagination.
Comedy, mystery, a fireside chat,
Together we sat list'ning nightly
To our favorite show.
Radio. Why did you ever go?
Oh, won't you please come back
And entertain us.
Oh, I long to turn the dial again
To hear the past and smile again. Radio, I miss you
[removed] [removed] miss "the Shadow knows."Fred's
Allen's Alley woes(? not to sure of this last word)
The laughter of Duffy's Tavern.
Helen Trent. Then we went To Can You Top This
Suspense and The Whistler sent those shivers Up our
spine.
Uncle Don, I wish that you were on,
Jack Armstrong, Myrt & Marge, Amos 'n Andy.
Oh, I long to turn that dial again,
To hear the past and smile [removed],
I miss you so
bodeo, bodeo, dodeo do
Radio, I miss you soooo.
Bill H.
I trust this works for most of the listers.
Here's Cornet/vocalist Bob White of the
Hyperion Outfall Serenaders doing his
rendition (to render = tear apart) of
"Radio." Give it time to load
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CAB
=====
---
conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
From the Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms
Encino, California.
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:00:22 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Monkey Do.
Scott Lindquist asks,
Does anyone know anything about an episode of Suspense or maybe
Innersanctum where the title was something about Monkey? I've heard it
was the most frightening show on [removed]
Probably this was an adaptation of the story, "The Monkey's Paw," a
bitter tale of wish fulfillment. I don't know where it ran, but both
Suspense and Inner Sanctum *could* have adapted it.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:00:55 -0500
From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: World's Greatest Old-Time Radio Shows
David H. Buswell asked about the MediaBay subsidiary,
"The World's Greatest Old Time Radio Shows" and
whether it was worth doing business with them.
I asked that same question last summer, and based on
the information I got, decided to take a chance.
I've been pleased with the quality and diversity of
the tapes (you get two with each shipping). Only two
of them have been duplicates of Radio Spirits' single
cassette tapes I already owned(the two companies are
essentially sister companies through MediaBay). No, if
you buy Radio Spirits' single cassette tapes, you may
get duplicates.
The company says the let you return tapes you don't
want, but I've never actually done this (the
duplicates were given away as presents). Nor do I know
whether you can keep one tape and return the other, if
one of the two in the package is a duplicate.
I suppose the real question for me will be whether
they'll give me a hard time if and when I decide to
stop receiving the tapes (as was often the case with
people doing business with some of the infamous record
clubs of decades past).
At present, however, I have no plans to do so.
Rick
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:01:09 -0500
From: Bryan Wright <bswrig@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: "Monkey Show"
Scott Lindquist asks:
Does anyone know anything about an episode of Suspense or maybe Innersanctum
where the title was something about Monkey? I've heard it was the most
frightening show on [removed]
I suspect the show you're looking for is "The Monkey's Paw" which was based
on the short story by W. W. Jacobs. I don't know whether it was ever adapted
as a radio play during the golden age of radio, but there is a circulating
version from the CBC radio program "Nightfall" from 1981, I believe. I've
not yet heard this radio version, but the short story is indeed scary!
Bryan Wright
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:01:28 -0500
From: Bryan Wright <bswrig@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Lone Ranger
Ugh. I was watching a re-run of The Simpsons on our local WB television
station today ([removed], occasionally I watch a *little* TV, but not much!) when
I saw a promo for a new WB television show "The Lone Ranger." They showed a
few clips--it looked terrible (big surprise). Does anyone know anything
about this newest incarnation of the masked rider of the plains?
Bryan Wright
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:01:35 -0500
From: Grams46@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: cbs in berlin in the summer of 1940
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who was the cbs correspondent in berlin, germany in the summer of 1940? any
other info on him would also be appreciated.
thanks from kathy
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:42:58 -0500
From: "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: comedy routines
I can't let this thread run out without a plug for my favorite show--Lum
and Abner. There were many story lines that I love to listen to over and
over, ones that for me will never get old. Perhaps my favorite is from late
1942 in which Lum forms the "Golden Era Discussion Club". These episodes
were intertwined with the breach of promise trial of Cedric Weehunt. Lauck
and Goff were at their best.
Wonderful World!!
Mike Leannah
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:44:40 -0500
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Lone Ranger movie serial name
In a message dated 2/26/03 7:02:11 PM, Paul Barringer writes:
Throughout the fifteen chapters the audience had to guess which
one of five lawmen was The lone Ranger, four of which eventually are
killed until only one is left, his name being Allen King, (played by Lee
Powell) who reveals himself as The Lone Ranger.
<snip>
In the second serial The Lone Ranger was named Bill Andrews (played by
Robert Livingston).
<snip>
Why the changes? I don't know.
***Actually, the Lone Ranger wasn't identified as "Reid" until the origin was
told in the 1942 six-part Christmas storyline that introduced his teenage
nephew, Dan Reid (and set up the future tie-in with Britt Reid/the Green
Hornet). The serial wasn't violating radio continuity because the Lone
Ranger's true name and origin had yet to be revealed. In fact, the ambush
story was first introduced in the movie serial. --Anthony Tollin***
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:45:03 -0500
From: Jean-Henri Duteau <jeand@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Adventures of Babe Ruth?
Arlene,
At 06:16 PM 2/26/2003, you wrote:
The show WAS from 1934. Specifically, it was broadcast from 04/16/34 to
07/13/34. It began as Play Ball (with Steve Martin). Shows #3, #4, #9, and
#10 are believed to be missing/lost.
The show you have is show #1.
Perhaps the iteration you have was rebroadcast at a (much)
later date with 'current' commercials inserted.
Although I believe that the show may have been originally broadcast in
1934, I'm dead positive that this version of it wasn't. It doesn't
actually have commercials in it. The Navy sponsorship is throughout the
show rather than being inserted -- the "narrator" Steve Martin even says
the following:
we'll bring you the exciting story of Dusty and the Babe in just a moment
but, because I'm an old Navy man myself, an enlisted man in one war and
a commander in another, and a sports writer inbetween, I know what Jackson Beck
has to say to you will be highly important.
This show just has to have been recorded after WWII. It could be a
re-recording of it, but it's *not* the original 1934 episode rebroadcast.
I have an mp3 version of it and can make it available to any who could help
me identify it.
Jean
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:45:31 -0500
From: Michael Berger <makiju@[removed];
To: otr <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: cleaning up material
Further to the comment about the risks of cleaning up
tapes, if files are in Mp3 format, I believe there are
several programs that can achieve remarkable improvement in
sound. One such program is Cool Edit Pro.
But for novice users, wonder if anyone has suggestions
about which would be the most user friendly program for
eliminating pops and hiss from Mp3 files.
Michael Berger
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Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 23:45:55 -0500
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: World's Greatest Old-Time Radio Shows
In a message dated 2/26/03 7:02:11 PM, David H. Buswell writes:
A friend of mine who has expressed an interest in OTR recently received a
mailing from "The World's Greatest Old-Time Radio Shows" of Central Islip,
***They also come with some really attractive four-color historical program
cards written by a member of this mailgroup. --Anthony Tollin***
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:35:58 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Lone Ranger changes
oldpdb@[removed] (Paul Barringer) observed:
I know this is a little off track from the radio subject but, I just
wanted to point out how the name of the character always changes, and in
no way follows the radio program format.
Could it be the serials Mr. Barringer refers to (he doesn't mention
dates) were made before The Lone Ranger was actually given a civilian
name? Or was he Mr. (John?) Reid from the beginning? I'm sure someone
here will know instantly.
I can forgive the name change, don't object to the new love interest
- after all, romance never slowed the Cisco Kid down - but why change
him to a lawyer, for Gosh' Sakes? I mean, the show wasn't called _The
Lone Lawyer_!
--
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:36:04 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in radio history
>From Those Were The Days --
1922 - Commerce Secretary Herbert Hoover convened the first National
Radio Conference in Washington, DC. There, industry regulations were
widely discussed.
Joe
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Visit my home page:
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:36:14 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 2-27 Birthdays
The following were born on February 27th.
1891 - David Sarnoff - Minsk, Russia
1892 - William Demarest - St. Paul, Minnesota
1894 - Frank Munn - Bronx, New York
1903 - Reginald Gardiner - Wimbledon, Surrey, England
1905 - Franchot Tone - Niagara Falls, New York
1906 - Leo Durocher - West Springfield, Massachusetts
1907 - Mildred Bailey - Tekoa, Washington
1910 - Joan Bennett - Palisades, New Jersey
1934 - Van Williams - FortWorth, Texas
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Make your day, listen to an Olde Tyme Radio Program
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:36:48 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: "Never stops being funny!"
Derek Tague wrote in #88 --
4) THE ABBOTT & COSTELLO SHOW: "Who's on First?" [Need I say more?].
This reminds me of something. Last week I was listening to a
Fleishman's Yeast Hour which featured Tom Howard and George Shelton
(both who later went on to It Pays To Be Ignorant) and they were doing a
routine which later was developed into "Nutting" and "Who's on First?"
by A&C. I was struck by how much the latter version sounded like the
one they did in the early '30s. A typical exchange about working in a
nut and bolt company and getting paid to do "nuttin" along with managers
named "Who" and "What". Granted, A&C made two routines out of these
with "Who's on First" the most famous (or repeated routine anyway).
I understand vaudevillians often lifted material from other acts, but
when you are playing on different stage around the country it might take
a long while for the one who wrote (or brought) the routine to learn
about it but on radio its done once and many people hear it.
This brings up a possible question: Where there any law suits (or
threats to sue) by comedians in the early days of radio if/when someone
lifted something of theirs, even with a few changes? Or where the
routines "so old" that no one really knew who did it first?
Joe
--
Visit my home page:
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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 10:37:10 -0500
From: "" <david@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Next Generation
I'd like to thank all of you who responded to my query regarding OTR programs
appropriate for children; I am quite grateful. All of your suggestions were
just wonderful, and should keep us going for some time. A couple of you even
offered to trade MP3's with me. For that, I am even more grateful. When I
told my sons we had more shows on the way, and others identified, they were
so excited. (I am, too.)
Happy listening to one and all!
--David
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