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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 452


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	  Fibber McGee's Molly
	 More on Rochester
	 Re: Teeny on Fibber Mcgee
	 Teeny II and Frank Thomas, Jr.
	 You CAN go back - OTR net
	 Nero Wolfe question
	 Tales of the Texas Rangers log
	 The Little Girl On FM&M
	 CBS Radio Mystery Theater
	 too much otr? Never!
	 24 hr [removed]!
	 [removed] the [removed]

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 02:08:00 GMT
From: [removed]@[removed] (Marty Tabnik)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject:  Fibber McGee's Molly
Message-Id: <95121419511619686@[removed]>

LB> From: LBohall@[removed]
LB> Subject: Re: Fibber and Molly
LB> Message-ID: <951214131450_90173751@[removed]>

LB> Does anyone know who provided the voice of the "little twerp"
LB> that always infuriated Fibber so much in each episode?  She
LB> was a *little girl* and her moniker was "Ibetcha".  Any info
LB> would be appreciated!--ldb

2.  You may find this hard to believe but her voice was provided by
        Marian "Molly" Jordan!
Such multiple parts were common (and, obviously, easy) in radio.

1. A "moniker" is a name.  You meant "her 'catchprhase' was
'Ibetcha'", I betcha! <g>

0.  'scuse me, I'm gonna go find ya some more info.
It'll just take a minute.
It's in my c-l-o-s-e-t. <G>
---
 * SLMR [removed] * "Good day-probably."*Weatherman "Foggy" Williams,FM&Molly

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 06:18:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Bruce Toews <bruce@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: More on Rochester
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

It's interesting to note, going back to my previous question regarding 
Denis Day/Rochester, to whom Rochester spoke most: [removed] Jack (naturally), 
Mary, and Bob Crosby.

Personally, I think the character of Rochester was one of the most 
brilliantly written and brilliantly performed roles on the show. I'm 
still chuckling over a recent purchased episode of Jack Benny. Mary 
suggests that Rochester sing a song on one of Jack's tours, and Rochester 
breaks into a chorus of Phil's "That's What I Like About the South". 
Things like that, combined with some absolutely hilarious one-liners, 
etc. are what made him such a great character. Another credit to the way 
the show was conducted is that (it may have happened, but I'm not aware 
of it) not once was Rochester's color actually mentioned. To me, a sign 
of racial acceptance is when the issue doesn't come up at all, in any 
way, shape or form. Anyway, that soap box has nothing to do with OTR.

Bruce

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 08:58:58 -0500 (EST)
From: "Carl Strohmenger (HSC)" <cstrohme@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
cc: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Teeny on Fibber Mcgee
Message-ID: <[removed]@com1>

On Thu, 14 Dec 1995 LBohall@[removed] wrote:
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:14:50 -0500
> From: LBohall@[removed]
> To: [removed]@[removed]
> Subject: Re: Fibber and Molly
> Message-ID: <951214131450_90173751@[removed]>
> 
> Does anyone know who provided the voice of the "little twerp" that always
> infuriated Fibber so much in each episode? She was a *little girl* and her
> moniker was "Ibetcha". Any info would be appreciated!--ldb
> 

I always assumed that Marion Jordan did the voice for _Teeny_. Am I 
mistaken? There was so much talent in that show concentrated in just a 
few people.

- Carl

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:02:25 -0500
From: Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Teeny II and Frank Thomas, Jr.
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

My educated guess is that this Frank Thomas isn't the same as the one who
played Tom Corbett. That was Frank (Frankie) Thomas, Jr., son of Frank N.
Thomas who was also an actor. Frankie began his film career in the 30's. He
played the lead role in Universal's 1937 serial "Tim Tyler's Luck" and
appeared in all four of Warner Brother's Nancy Drew movies as Nancy's
boyfriend Ted (sic) Nickerson. Frankie was born in 1922 and was still alive
in 1979. Another link to OTR here is Bonita Granville who starred as Nancy
Drew in these films. As Jack Wrather's widow at one time she owned The Lone
Ranger, lock, stock and silver bullets.

I knew the "Teeny" query would draw a ton of responses so just to be a little
unique and before someone else asks; Marian Jordan also furnished the
voices of Sis, Geraldine, Old Lady Wheedlelock, Mrs. Wearybottem and Lady
Vere-de-Vere.


Never forget gang: The Lone Ranger IS Old Time Radio

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 09:51:51 -0500
From: JRayb71827@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: You CAN go back - OTR net
Message-ID: <951215095150_90954726@[removed]>

   Thanks for the on-going comments about our hopes of putting together a
small group of stations to program full-time, old-time radio.  Much
appreciated.  Keep them coming.
   BCH66 commented that full-time might be too much and that perhaps 6:00
[removed] to midnight would be more palatable.  All well and good, of course, but
in those hours you encounter even more fragmented audiences (regular TV,
cable, etc.).  Our elaborate business plan takes all of that into account and
yes, there would be family-type shows early, some thrillers later and a
number of re-created band "remotes" featuring specific bands broadcasting
from the places most associated with them.  Naturally, most of those "places"
no longer exist but we'd build in some crowd background and do it just like
the days of [removed]"And now the music of Joe Banana and his Bunch, coming to
you from the beautiful Starlight [removed]," etc., a sort of "Make Believe
Ballroom."  In order to provide the programming for as many people as
possible we would, indeed, do it around the clock.  The early morning shows
would likely be light, music-oriented programs, such as The Andrews Sisters
Eight-to-the-Bar Ranch (N-K Musical Showroom), Arthur Godfrey Time, Curt
Massey & Martha Tilton, Bob Crosby, etc., with maybe an occasional Aldrich
Family or the like.  Mid-mornings would feature some of the famous soap opera
episodes.  And before someone who may have missed earlier postings brings up
the subject of "rights," we know the problem and fees for same are built into
our budget.  We currently have access for enough material to broadcast a
minimum of five to six years, without repeating a show. 
   One of the faults of Carl Amari's "When Radio Was," is elimination of
commercials, a necessity, of course, because of the lack of time.  On some
shows that's okay but when the commercials are integrated into the script, it
emasculates the program to take them out.  From the historical standpoint, we
plan to leave them in, including cigarette ads with a disclaimer.  By so
doing, it will be necessary to wrap around all shows with music of the era in
order to have a "spot carrier."  It is necessary to have income after all.
   In addition, this provides an exceptional sales tool that no other
stations would have.  There are many companies that sponsored old time radio
that are still in business.  Just think of being able to offer them
adjacencies to their old commercials, perhaps for products that no longer
exist.  For example, the announcer follows a program with something like,
"And that's what Johnson Wax had to say to you on May 4th, 1939.  Now, here's
what Johnson Wax has to say to you TODAY!"
   You see, we have careful plans.  This is NOT just a nebulous idea but one
that every market study and projection shows can be a viable proposition.
   There was also a suggestion that there be "shift hosts" giving show
information.  That's a built-in feature we have in the plans and would
definitely follow, with the realization that many of our listeners would not
be privy to background information on many, if not most, of the shows.  We
would almost be a John Dunning "Tune In Yesterday" of the airwaves, only not
that involved.  The thought would be to inform and entertain, giving
broadcast dates wherever possible, etc.  Once again, we welcome your comments
and possible contacts with interested parties.
                           John Rayburn
                           [removed] Box 36106
                           Denver, CO 80236
                           Fax (303) 978-9215

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:31:17 -0500 (EST)
From: passage@[removed] (Frank Passage)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Nero Wolfe question
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi All,
 
John Henley <jhenley@[removed]> sent me an e-mail message that I 
thought would be better shared with the group, since I'm no real OTR 
expert. Perhaps some of you gurus out there can fill in the blanks.
 
> I own a handful of episodes of the Greenstreet Nero Wolfe, and it seems to
> me that there is a different Archie on each of them.  I may have a couple
> with Dobkin (fine actor, BTW), but I know I have at least one with Gerald
> Mohr as Archie!
> Any comment on that?
 
I have only 2 Nero Wolfe shows, the New Adventures.  The info in the log
description section came primarily from another OTR collector's list. In 
it, he mentioned Santas Ortega, Louis Van Rooten, Francis X. Bushman and
Sidney Greenstreet played Wolfe.  Both Steve Kelez' Radio Showcase catalog
and Ed Carr's catalog showed only Greenstreet playing the roll for shows
in the New Adventures series.  I'm assuming the other 3 did the honors in
THE AMAZING NERO WOLFE.  There doesn't seem to be many of those shows, by 
the way.  I have no info on who plays Wolfe on the CBC series.
 
Again from my friend's OTR list, Archie was played by several actors 
including Elliott Lewis, Gerald  Moore, Wally Mayer, Harry Bartell Herb 
Ellis and Lawrence Dobkin.  Mr Dobkin's name appeared in the Radio Showcase 
catalog for the New Adventures. I'm assuming the rest were in the other 
series.
 
Frank

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:35:48 -0500 (EST)
From: passage@[removed] (Frank Passage)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Tales of the Texas Rangers log
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

              T A L E S   O F   T H E   T E X A S   R A N G E R S
              ---------   ---   -----   ---------   -------------
 
                                  1950 - 1952
 
 
     First Show: ??-??-50                             Last Show: 09-14-52
     Number Shows: ??                             Audition Show: none known
 
 
     Show Description:
 
     This show was one of the more successful radio shows of the early 
     1950's, airing for 3 years.  Directed by Stacey Keach, Sr., TALES
     OF THE TEXAS RANGERS broadcast coast-to-coast every Sunday on NBC.  
     Joel McCrea stared as Texas Ranger Jase Pierson, one of the 50 men 
     who make up the oldest and most respected law enforcement body in 
     North America.  The series related true cases from the police files 
     and is sometimes considered a forerunner of today's TV series 
     starring Chuck Norris.
 
 
     List Comments:
 
     This log is "work-in-progress".  Dates with blank title fields may
     be either no broadcast or unknown.  No shows were found in my sources 
     for shows between May 27, 1951 and Sept. 30, 1951.  The number of 
     shows of date of the first show is no known.  The first show shown
     in the list may be an audition or a bad date although it was found in
     to sources.
 
 
     List:
 
         Date      Num  Title                                 
         --------  ---  ------------------------------------  
           1950
         04-19-50?      Just A Number                         
         07-15-50       The White Elephant                    
         07-22-50       The Case Of Apache Peak               
         07-29-50       The Trigger Men                       
         08-05-50       Quicksilver                           
         08-12-50       The Broken Spur                       
         08-19-50       Fool's Gold                           
         08-26-50       The Open Range                        
         09-02-50       Plays For Keeps                       
         09-09-50       Dead Or Alive                         
         09-16-50       Candy Man                             
         09-23-50       Open And Shut                         
         09-30-50       Cleanup                               
         10-08-50       Living Death                          
         10-15-50       Dead Giveaway                         
         10-22-50                                             
         10-29-50       Soft Touch                            
         11-05-50       The White Suit                        
         11-12-50       Blood Relative                        
         11-19-50                                             
         11-26-50       Hanging By A Thread                   
         12-03-50       Room 114                              
         12-10-50       The Lucky Dollar                      
         12-17-50       The Cactus Pear                       
         12-24-50       Christmas Present                     
         12-31-50       The Devil's Share                     
                                                              
           1951                                               
         01-07-51       Dead Head Freight                     
         01-14-51       Death In The Cards                    
         01-21-51       Blood Harvest                         
         01-28-51                                             
         02-04-51       Loggers Larceny                       
         02-11-51       The Hatchet                           
         02-18-51       Sweet Revenge                         
         02-25-51       The Trap                              
         03-04-51                                             
         03-11-51       Blind Justice                         
         03-18-51       Death By Adoption                     
         03-25-51       Breakdown                             
         04-01-51       Pressure                              
         04-08-51       Bad Blood                             
         04-15-51       Conspiracy                            
         04-22-51       Canned Death                          
         04-29-51                                             
         05-06-51       No Living Witness                     
         05-13-51       Paid In Full                          
         05-20-51       Square Dance                          
         05-27-51       Joy Ride                              
 
                        *** no shows found during this time ***
                                      
         09-30-51       Death Shaft                           
         10-07-51       The Wheel Chair Killing               
         10-14-51       Play For Keeps                        
         10-21-51       Fugitive's Trail                      
         10-28-51       The White Elephant                    
         11-04-51       Helping Hand                          
         11-11-51       Open And Shut                         
         11-18-51       Wild Crop                             
         11-25-51       The Blow Off                          
         12-02-51       Dead Giveaway                         
         12-09-51       Death Plant                           
         12-16-51       Pickup                                
         12-23-51       Christmas Play-off                     
         12-30-51       Killer's Crop                         
                                                              
           1952                                               
         01-06-52       Birds Of A Feather                    
         01-13-52       Clip Job                              
         01-20-52       Blood Trail                           
         01-27-52       Night Chase                           
         02-03-52       The Rub Out                           
         02-10-52       Hitchhiker                            
         02-17-52       Cold Blood                            
         02-24-52       Bright Boy                            
         03-02-52       The Iceman                            
         03-09-52       Dream Farm                            
         03-16-52       Prelude To Felony                     
         03-23-52                                             
         03-30-52       Night Hawk                            
         04-06-52       Troop Train                           
         04-13-52       Uncertain Death                       
         04-20-52       Illusion                              
         04-27-52       Address Unknown                       
         05-04-52       Little Sister                         
         05-11-52       Unleashed Fury                        
         05-18-52       Smart Kill                            
         05-25-52       Jailbird                              
         06-01-52       Sell Out                              
         06-08-52       Illegal Entry                         
         06-15-52       Travesty                              
         06-22-52       Knockout                              
         06-29-52       Ex-Con                                
         07-06-52       The Boomerang                         
         07-13-52       Fingerman                             
         07-20-52       Round Trip                            
         07-27-52       Stick-Up                              
         08-03-52       Double Edge                           
         08-10-52       Last Stop                             
         08-17-52       Cover-Up                              
         08-24-52       Three Victims                         
         08-31-52       Misplaced Person                      
         09-07-52       Alibi                                 
         09-14-52       Drive-In (last show)                  
                                                              
 
     Information Sources:
 
     Because of the possible consequences to the sources, I have not 
     included source information here or a source column as I have in
     previous logs.  I apologize to those vendors and clubs whose 
     information I've used for not recognizing them here.
 
 
     Last Update: 12-08-95
 
 
     Although I retain copyright, this log may be freely copied provided 
     that the text is unchanged.  Please share it with fellow OTR lovers.
 
     I would greatly appreciate any error corrections or additional
     information. Please send them to: Frank Passage, 109 Elmwood Road, 
     Verona, NJ 07044 or via e-mail to passage@[removed]
 
 

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:48:45 -0500
From: Matthew561@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
cc: LBohall@[removed]
Subject: The Little Girl On FM&M
Message-ID: <951215104844_90998734@[removed]>

Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 13:14:50 -0500
On 12-15-95 LBohall Asked

>Does anyone know who provided the voice of the little twerp" that 
>always infuriated Fibber so much in each episode?

Teeny was played by Marion "Molly" Jordan.  She was named Teeny 
because as a baby, like a Martini, she was never dry 
enough.

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 10:58:21 -0500
From: jelsberry@[removed] (James Elsberry)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: CBS Radio Mystery Theater
Message-Id: <v01530509acf74a267a21@[[removed]]>

Does anyone have information on the availability of CBS Radio Mystery
Theater programs?  I tried to dig up some information several years ago by
calling network headquarters in New York, but ended up at a dead end.  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

Jim Elsberry
Indiana Wesleyan University.

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 12:26:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Randy Minnehan <rminneha@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: too much otr? Never!
Message-ID: <[removed]@acme>

Hello [removed]

   To the un-named person (BCH66@[removed]) who posted a message in the last
digest who didn't like the idea of otr being broadcast 24 hours a day, as
it was too much of a good [removed] I beg to differ with you! I wish we had
several stations broadcasting otr around the clock, but right now there is
only one, Yesterday USA Satellite Superstation.

   As far as not being able to catch everything, YUSA rotates it's
programming everyday for a two week period, so that the listeners CAN
catch everything.  And true, YUSA does play some vintage music along with
the otr, you NEVER, I say again, NEVER can have too much old time radio!

   If there is too much otr for you, BCH66@[removed], why not switch the
radio off, or tune in too one of the other billion top ten music stations
flooding the airwaves?

   Too much otr? NEVER!!! I think, and I'm sure there are many, many
others here that would agree with me, that there isn't enough!

--------------------------------------------------
|Randy Minnehan - rminneha@[removed]|
--------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 12:48:51 EST
From: bedtime@[removed] ( DAVID ALLAN BOUCHER)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: 24 hr [removed]!
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Me/Radio * [removed] #[removed] ] --


> I have never liked the idea of 24 hour OTR. I think too much of
something
> takes away from it somewhat.
> I just find 24 hour OTR confusing. You can't catch everything you
want. I
> am
> sure others would not agree. 

I WOULD [removed] always like short-concise blocks.  There was a
station here in Boston WEEI that blocked out the entire evening for OTR
awhile back.  But the problem is I NEVER knew what show was [removed]  The
didn't even stop at the top of the hour (a customary ID/info [removed]) 
If you missed the 8PM opening announcements, you had no idea what you
were listening [removed]  

And if you did tune in at 8PM to enjoy some OTR for [removed] they
announced that your favorite program would be on at [removed]!  

I would prefer shorter [removed] well [removed]  and with some
regular time intervals/schedule   ([removed] every Thursday
nights, [removed]) so that we could figure out what was on when!

d

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 12:48:54 EST
From: bedtime@[removed] ( DAVID ALLAN BOUCHER)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: [removed] the [removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Me/Radio * [removed] #[removed] ] --


> Those of us who know and love old time radio may have a harder time
> understanding why radio management is so narrow-minded, but it's true
that
> they are. 

> We've discovered no matter how great your programming, unless you own
your
> own station, it's tough to snag a flagship station. 

The truth [removed]'s very hard to syndicate [removed] you
have a TRACK [removed]  especially in the larger markets.  

Managers would put indian folk-Programming on the [removed] it had a
track [removed]

The truth [removed](While I *love* OTR [removed]), it usually attracts an
older undesirable demographic.  Requires a long-term time commitment
from the listener. (Which isn't inherrent(sp?) in todays listening
patterns) And hasn't proven (in a very competitive market) to be a
money [removed]

As much as I hate to admit [removed]'s the way it looks!

D

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