Subject: [removed] Digest V2007 #151
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Date: 5/22/2007 10:19 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2007 : Issue 151
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Double-"Great"                        [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      re: Abbreviated programs?             [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
      Re: reruns                            [ stewwright@[removed] ]
      Dark Fantasy                          [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
      Abbreviated programs                  [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
      Re: Abbreviated programs?             [ Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed]; ]
      Reruns                                [ "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm ]
      Celeste Holm                          [ JayHick@[removed] ]
      Re: Reruns                            [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      5-22 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      Jack Benny reruns                     [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]

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    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:08:42 -0400
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Double-"Great"

    From: "EDWARD CARR" <>
    To: _[removed]@[removed]_ ([removed]@[removed])

>     has anyone written a log for the following
>     "great scenes from great  plays"
>     i'd like to know how many i am missing

    Dear Ed-

    That show was produced in the 40's, - often on location, with a live
    audience - by the Episcopal Actor's Guild (of which several past & present
    OTR/FOTR
    folks are members) here in NYC

    As part of last October's "OpenHouseNY," Quicksilver did a live  adaptation
    of their "Young Mr. Lincoln," with Arthur Anderson and others, at the  EAG's
    homebase, "The Little Church Around the Corner."

    I'll see what Arthur, and other Guild members, can turn up for [removed]

    All best,
    -Craig "Abe" Wichman

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    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:09:04 -0400
    From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re: Abbreviated programs?

    Re: the Jack Benny and Bob Hope shows that end early with several
    minutes of music at the end: You're probably listening to an AFRS
    (Armed Forces Radio Service) rebroadcast. They cut out the commercials,
    and to make it a full 30 minutes would add music (generally related to
    the show, [removed], that's why they used Phil Harris for the Benny
    program). It's a coincidence that both shows are from the same week.

    You can generally tell an AFRS Benny show from the start, because it's
    introduced as "The Jack Benny Program" and NOT "The Lucky Strike Show
    starring Jack Benny." And then it goes straight into the opening
    scene--no 90 second Lucky Strike ad. If you cut out the Lucky Strike
    ads at the start and the end, plus the Sportsman's ad in the middle, it
    can add up to quite a few minutes worth of material!

    Kermyt

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    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:09:40 -0400
    From: stewwright@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: reruns

    Mark asked

>     Somehow on these pages I was given the impression that network radio shows
>     were never re-run

     From an article I wrote last year:
    Produce It Again, Sam: The Reuse of Scripts During the Golden Age of Radio

    . . . Radio networks aired repeat episodes of a few popular series such as
    THE JACK BENNY SHOW and DRAGNET after the initial network run of new shows
    for those series had ceased. . . .

    Signing off for now,

    Stewart Wright

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    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:10:51 -0400
    From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Dark Fantasy

    Here is the entry from Hickerson's 3rd Revised Ultimate History of Network
    Radio [removed]:

    Dark Fantasy.  (anthology)  Written by Scott Bishop & Keith Painton.
        11-14-41 to 6-19-42
        Broadcast locally on WKY, Oklahoma City, OK until 1-2-42.
        Fridays.  31 episodes broadcast; 28 available.

    The cassettes I have are in excellent sound.  A neat, spooky series.

    Ted Kneebone / 1528 S. Grant St. / Aberdeen, SD 57401
    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:31:14 -0400
    From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Abbreviated programs

    Matt, asked about abbreviated shows. My guess is the shows he listened to
    were Armed Forces Radio Service  rebroadcast with all commercials removed and
    the long music numbers were filling in the time. The AFRS didn't allow
    commercials.

    Howard Duff & Elliott Lewis were in the Army special Services and did a lot
    of the dubbing of shows of the air and cleaning off commercials and adding
    music fills. Just about every popular show was copied by AFRS. This went on
    as long service personnel were over seas into the 50's.

    An awful lot of Bob Hope shows in the 40's and 50's were AFRS.  That makes
    very hard to put a date on then.

    According To Jerry Haendiges Vintage OTR Logs A large number of Benny show
    were AFRS rebroadcast about 4 or 5 yeas

    After Jack Benny's last live show in 1957, for several seasons until 1959 all
    the show aired were re runs.

    Some one asked about re-runs of OTR. Suspense had reruns, Like 7 times for
    "Sorry Wrong Number" was aired, but each time Agnes stared Live.
    Some other Suspense shows were repeated, but with a different cast, like "One
    a Country Road" or "Help Wanted"
     Basically re-run were not a common thing.

    Frank McGurn

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    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:31:54 -0400
    From: Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Abbreviated programs?

>     in the Bob Hope Show from 5-15-45 the actual show itself
>     ends about 20 minutes in and Skinnay Ennis just plays for the next ten
>     minutes.  Then, in the Jack Benny Show that was broadcast just 5 days
>     later on [removed] thing!

    Seems to me you must have been listening to the Armed
    Forces Radio versions of the shows, where all
    references to the sponsors are removed--"denatured,"
    as it were. If the commercials WERE there, then I have
    no idea.

    Alan

    _________________
    Alan/Linda Bell
    Grand Rapids, MI

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    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:46:51 -0400
    From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Reruns

    Mark Kinsler wrote:

>     Somehow on these pages I was given the impression that network radio shows
>     were never re-run; that there was some solemn edict that any recordings were
>     to be destroyed immediately after the broadcast, and that re-runs were an
>     artifact of decadent television.

    Gee, if all recordings of network shows were destroyed what would we be
    listening to today?  By 1955 network radio was beginning its death spiral.
    As I recall JB reruns were played until 1957 when Stan Freberg had his brief
    run in JB's timeslot, then CBS went back to JB reruns for another year or
    so.  I suppose the 7 - 7:30 pm Sunday timeslot was then given back to the
    affiliates.  Perhaps someone better informed can give more information on
    the use of reruns in the dying years of OTR.

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    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:46:57 -0400
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Celeste Holm
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    On the Joe Franklin panel at our FOTR convention a short clip was shown of a
    TV show Celeste was in.   We don't know the show but I am trying to find out
    who provided the clip.   If you know, please contact me off-line.   Jay
    Hickerson

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    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:47:50 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Reruns

       Mark Kinsler mused --

>     Somehow on these pages I was given the impression that network radio
>     shows were never re-run; that there was some solemn edict that any
>     recordings were to be destroyed immediately after the broadcast, and
>     that re-runs were an artifact of decadent television.

       The way I heared it Johnny, one radio exec said to another radio [removed]
       Once Bing Cosby broke the tape barrier, in the late '40s on ABC, the
    rule of NBC not allowing pre-recorded programs fell as well in the early
    '50s.  Dragnet was recording programs as early as 1949.  These were
    always announced as having been recorded.
        But, Jack by then was on CBS which was more relaxed on allowing
    recorded programs.  However, I believe (and I just know from this group
    I'll be corrected if wrong <g>) most programs continued to go off the
    air for the summer.  There were many recorded Benny shows and he was
    still very popular on radio and continued in repeats until June, 1958,
    in his regular Sunday at 7 time slot.
       Joe

    --
    Visit my homepage: [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:54:16 -0400
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  5-22 births/deaths

    May 22nd births

    05-22-1859 - Arthur Conan Doyle - Edingurgh, Scotland - d. 7-7-1930
    author: "Adventures of Sherlock Holmes"
    05-22-1879 - Alla Nazimova - Yalta in the Crimea - d. 7-13-1945
    actor: " I'm An American"; "Towards the Century of the Comman Man"
    05-22-1891 - Parks Johnson - Sheffield, AL - d. 10-4-1970
    emcee, interviewer: "Vox Pox"
    05-22-1898 - Charles Borrelli - Philadelphia, PA - d. 8-26-1984
    pianist: "Italian Sunday"
    05-22-1903 - Ward Wilson -Trenton, NJ - d. 3-21-1966
    actor, announcer: Mr. DeHaven "Aldrich Family"; Beetle "Phil Baker Show"
    05-22-1906 - Harry Ritz - Newark, NJ - d. 3-29-1986
    comedian: (The Ritz Brothers) "Hollywood Hotel"
    05-22-1907 - Laurence Olivier - Dorking, England - d. 7-11-1989
    actor: "Biography in Sound"; "Document A/777"; "Hour of Mystery"
    05-22-1910 - Johnny Olsen - Windom, MN - d. 10-12-1985
    emcee, announcer: "Ladies Be Seated"; "Get Rich Quick"
    05-22-1911 - John W. Neher - Shelbyville, IL - d. 3-xx-1972
    singer, actor: "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "Cavalcade of America"
    05-22-1914 - Ken Powell - d. 3-11-1976
    announcer: "Chick Carter, Boy Detective"; "Nick Carter, Master
    Detective"
    05-22-1916 - Rupert Davies - Liverpool, England - d. 10-22-1976
    actor: "Afternoon Theatre"
    05-22-1918 - Herg Arrasmith - d. 6-xx-1985
    disk jockey: KERN Bakersfield, California
    05-22-1923 - Bill Andrick - d. 6-xx-1981
    disk jockey: WPAR Parkersburg, West Virginia
    05-22-1925 - James King - d. 11-20-2005
    operatic tenor: "Metropolitan Opera"
    05-22-1934 - Peter Nero - Brooklyn, NY
    socialite pianist: "Voices of Vista"
    05-22-1938 - Susan Strasberg - NYC - d. 1-21-1999
    actor: Emily Marriott "Marriage"

    May 22nd deaths

    02-01-1902 - Langston Hughes - Joplin, Mo - d. 5-22-1967
    writer: "America's Town Meeting of the Air"
    02-06-1914 - Thurl Ravenscroft - Norfolk, NE - d. 5-22-2005
    singer: (Member Sportsmen Quartet) "Jack Benny Program"
    02-27-1915 - Donald Curtis - Cheney, WA - d. 5-22-1997
    actor: Michael Shayne "Michael Shayne"
    03-15-1909 - John Roeburt - d. 5-22-1972
    writer: "Barrie Craig, Confidential Investigator"; "Inner Sanctum
    Mysteries"
    03-27-1921 - Fletcher Markle - Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada - d. 5-22-1991
    actor, director, producer: "Columbia Workshop"; "Studio One"
    04-04-1902 - Bernice Berwin - Bay Area, CA - d. 5-22-2002
    actor: Hazel Barbour "One Man's Family"
    05-11-1892 - Margaret Rutherford - London, England - d. 5-22-1972
    actor: "Wisdon of Miss Marple"; "Theatre Guild On the Air"
    06-19-1912 - Martin Gabel - Philadelphia, PA - d. 5-22-1986
    actor: John Wayne "Big Sister"; Gregory Hood "Casebook of Gregory Hood"
    06-29-1907 - Joan Davis - St. Paul, MN - d. 5-22-1961
    comedienne: "Sealtest Village Store"; "Joan Davis Show"
    07-04-1884 - George Trendle - Norwalk, OH - d. 5-22-1972
    executive: WXYZ Detroit; Original idea for "The Lone Ranger"
    07-10-1909 - Bernard Katz - San Francisco, CA - d. 5-22-1992
    pianist: (Cousin of Mel Blanc) "Katz on the Keys"
    07-23-1937 - Robert W. Morgan - Galion, OH - d. 5-22-1998
    host (communicator) "Monitor"
    08-12-1926 - John Derek - Hollywood, CA - d. 5-22-1998
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    08-30-1917 - Dan Enright - d. 5-22-1992
    producer: "Put Up or Shut Up"; "Brain Train"; "Juvenile Jury"; "Life
    Begins at 80"
    10-13-1892 - Albert Sonn - d. 5-22-1968
    pioneer radio personality "Mon On the Moon"
    xx-xx-1893 - Neal Bliss Enslen - Delphos, OH - d. 5-22-1938
    opera singer, announcer: "The Baldwin Concert"; "The Slumber Hour"

    Ron Sayles

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    Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:14:20 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jack Benny reruns

>     Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:15:43 -0400
>     From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];

>     Somehow on these pages I was given the impression that network radio
>     shows were never re-run; that there was some solemn edict that any
>     recordings were to be destroyed immediately after the broadcast, and
>     that re-runs were an artifact of decadent television.

    Funny, I remember listening to the Jack Benny reruns.  At first I
    didn't realize they were reruns, but eventually, I heard shows I'd
    heard before and references that were old.  And since so many other
    radio programs had disappeared by that time, I was quite aware that
    these were reruns.

    The Lone Ranger went into reruns on radio in 1954, and I think that
    Sgt. Preston went into reruns before that.  "You Bet Your Life" did
    reruns on radio every summer, while they were doing reruns on
    television.

    Perhaps you are thinking of the insistence by the radio networks, for
    many years, on doing shows live and not pre-recorded.  That did
    indeed prevent reruns, but it had nothing to do with "decadent
    television" because television wasn't really under way yet.  By the
    time anyone on radio would have been able to object to reruns because
    it was too much like television, network radio was already on the
    verge of dying out.

    --
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     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 Fax [removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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