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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2009 : Issue 219
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  The Goldbergs                         [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
  War of the Worlds Chat                [ <georgewagner@[removed]; ]
  Orson Welles and PPB                  [ Ken Greenwald <kgradio@[removed]; ]
  Never fool a [removed]                [ Wich2@[removed] ]
  The War of the worlds                 [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 00:00:20 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Goldbergs

Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:16:09 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];

1929 - The first broadcast of The Rise of the Goldbergs, with Gertrude
Berg as Molly, was heard on the NBC Blue network. Later, the title
would be shortened to The Goldbergs. ... The program continued until
1945 (it returned for one season in 1949-1950).

The 1949-50 radio season was tied in to the television version, which
started at that time.  During the course of the radio version, the
Goldberg children had grown up and the family moved to the suburbs.
The television version re-started with the children as children and
the family back in the Bronx.  The 1949 radio season was in that
setting and featured the television cast.

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A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax [removed]
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         [removed]

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:41:16 -0500
From: <georgewagner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  War of the Worlds Chat

If the WOTW soundtrack used for Welles' film F Is For Fake actually included
the phrase "Flying Saucers" it HAS to be a much later re-creation since that
particular word-combination didn't come into the language until mid-to-late
1947. It originated because witness Kenneth Arnold described the objects he
seems to have observed over Mount Ranier, on June 23, 1947, as moving like
saucers sailed across water. (Note that Arnold was speaking of the objects'
apparent *behavior*, NOT their appearance!)

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:42:13 -0500
From: Ken Greenwald <kgradio@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Orson Welles and PPB

I do know that Orson Welles gave his collection of ETs to Marty Halperin,
acquisition chairman for the Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters Radio Archives.
What I have seen of those shows, all were 78 rpm discs.
When Richard Wilson and Paul Stewart came to PPB for a Nostalgia Night, they
wanted to talk about the War of The Worlds broadcast.
Ron Wolf did the transfer of the show to tape so that Wilson and Stewart
could comment on various parts of the show.
I do not remember if the tape was made off 78s or if it was made from an LP
recording from another source.
Since PPB is closed, I cannot get down to check the files and see the source.
I do know that most of the Mercury Theater broadcasts are at PPB on 78 discs,
thanks to Orson Welles generous gift.
(That may be why in F for Fake he did not use or ask for the original 78 W of
the W discs. They may not have been give to PPB along with the shows he did
manage to give. Bear in mind that when Welles made F for Fake, he did not
make it in Hollywood, where PPB is located.
I would love to check and see if W of the W is down there also.
There is a good possibility the archives may be opened soon, but that is
still up in the air.

This much I know: There was one broadcast aired. Any other broadcast of the
show on ET would be a rehearsal.

Ken Greenwald

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:42:57 -0500
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Never fool a [removed]

 From: James Meadows <walthamus@[removed];
Subject:  War  of the Worlds chat

The ("F for Fake") clips
depict radio news bulletins  about flying saucers and martians, but use
words
that are different from  anything I remember of the original [removed];

The whole thing - sfx, plot, dialogue - is wholly rewritten; it  plays not
like an authentic recreation of the original, but rather like some
schoolboy's fevered recounting of same on the playground the morning after
hearing
it!

If money or access to the original audio was not an issue, perhaps  the
fake audio was used as a joke.

I would hazard a guess that it was all of the above - and even more,
Orson's chance to "punch up" the WOTW, for the purposes of this wonderful,
zany
film.

-Craig

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Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:43:19 -0500
From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  The War of the worlds

I am going to try and apply some common sense to all  controversy
about  original and second version of  "War Of the World"

1.  The original was recorded in 1938. Probably on 2 disks.

2.  Over the past  71 years  how many generations of recording have been
made.
      Every body  who uses tape knows that  copies of copies  are not as
good quality.

3.  Every recording device is not the same some are just tad faster or
slower by a second or two.
     I had tape player that was belt drive and belt was old and
stretched  causing  it to slow down.

4. I use to trade with a collector who use to cut the length of  long
applause or laughs down to conserve space on
    a copy.  Some one could have cut down a pause or the length of a
musical selection in WofW.

5. How many companies or collectors have remastered the program to
improve the sound etc. I sure  that                      something may
get lost in the process.

All I know is that  have the complete perfect (I think)  copy of War of
the World and I very happy with it and I don't
care if it's the 1,000,000 copy of the [removed] not. I listen and
enjoy it, that why I have it.

Frank McGurn

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