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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 387

Table Of Contents: 

	 OTR Bits and Pieces
	 Re: CAPTAIN REID'S FIRST NAME? (Yes, it WAS "Dan"!)
	 GUIDING LIGHT WANTED
	 Re: Adventures in Collection Agencies

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Date: 13 Oct 1996 02:48:09 GMT
From: kg@[removed] (KEN GREENWALD)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Bits and Pieces
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

More (I hope) bits of information for the interested ---

ROMA WINES:
The Roma Wine company was, back around the late 50's, sold to Schenley
Industries, makers of Johnny Walker and other fine liver destroyers. I do not
believe Gallo Wineries were connected with the Roma Company. Roma did make
Cresta Blanca wines.  (BTW, Petri Wines are also extinct, but not the company
that owned it, Petri Cigar Company. They still make those short, brittle and
hard stogies)
FOR TROY BURNHAM:
Since you are recording OTR shows at 15/16 ips, you have already lost most of
the fidelity of those shows. You are hearing these shows from, approximately,
200 cycles to 4,000 cycles of sound. The human ear is capable of hearing 20
to 16,000 cycles (plus) of sound when we are young. This drops to about 100
to 15,000 cycles when we push past 50 years. So, don't bother switching to 1
7/8 ips because you won't gain any fidelity beyond what you already have on
your 15/16 ips tapes. (And you think your cassettes running at that speed
take up a lot of room? You should see my open reel tapes running at 71/2 ips
per show!)
FOR A. JOSEPH ROSS:
The radio tribute to Fred Allen was in 1956, when Allen died. That's a clue
for you as to when you might have heard the Lon Ranger episode.
FOR JOHN RAYBURN:
So, John, looking for a BK-1, are you? Whew! Look in the back of DB magazine
and other professional radio/tv engineer magazines for those small ads from
companies that sell electrical radio/tv gear. They sometimes have mikes like
the BK-1 for sale. Incidently, I recently bought a BK-1 from the widow of a
cinematographer, but it didn't come with the hardware to mount it on a stand.
Now that's a very, very hard item to find, let alone the mike itself! Good
luck!
A FINAL COMMENT ON BLACK BACKED TAPE:
Though others have said the recent output of black backed tape has improved,
I will add this: Ampex and Scotch said the same thing years ago in the
1980's; [removed]: "Our new tapes are better." 10 years later people are pulling
their hair over the loss of their open reel tapes to squeal. Though there
seems to be little problem with present production of black backed tape from
Ampex and Scotch, squeal has begun to appear in reels of 808 tape and other
formulas. In all these years of tape recording, tapes that have a shiny back
have rarely given any trouble. I still insist the OTR recordists would best
stay away from ANY black backed tape, be it old or new. You are taking a
chance tapes will self-destruct some 5 to 10 years later. 
My best to all.
Ken G.

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Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 12:44:14 -0400
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: CAPTAIN REID'S FIRST NAME? (Yes, it WAS "Dan"!)
Message-ID: <961013124414_332675806@[removed]>

Donald Dortmund really threw me for a loop when he suggested that Captain
Reid may never have been identified as "Dan" on the original radio series.  I
knew I had read references to Captain Dan Reid, perhaps in Jim Harmon's THE
GREAT RADIO HEROES, the first book I ever read about dramatic radio.  I
searched through the vast Sanctum Productions archives searching for a
mention of the senior Dan Reid in the original Striker canon.  It initially
seemed that Donald was right; I listened in vein to the 20th anniversary show
and the first television show only to hear repeated mentions to "Captain"
Reid.  I dug out the Dell LONE RANGER comics from the 1940s to puruse the Dan
Reid/Grandma Frisbee newspaper reprints:  No luck, but the comic book
reprints of the Striker/Flanders newspaper strips dropped a number of panels
due to space limitations which could have mentioned the first name of Dan's
father.  I knew I had the Christmas radio episode that finished the Dan
Reid/Grandma Frisbee storyline but was missing the radio episodes that had
led up to it.  Was I mistaken?  Had the name Dan Reid (Sr.) been established
in the same Klinton Spilsbury fiasco that sanctified the "John Reid" name?
 Then I found several instances of Captain Dan Reid being identified as such
in the new 1950s and 1960s comic book origins by Paul S. Newman and Tom Gill.
 But where did they get the name?  Then I finally listened to the episode I
should have investigated first:  the 15th anniversary show broadcast June 30,
1948 that first defined the classic Lone Ranger origin.  (Yes, I know the
real anniversary was five months earlier; perhaps the powers-that-be didn't
notice the anniversary had occurred until after the event or maybe the
anniversary broadcast was deliberately delayed 'til the summer weather and
the Cheyenne Wyoming Lone Ranger Frontier Town celebration.)  In the 15th
anniversary show's origin sequence, the future Lone Ranger clearly cries out
"Dan!" several times when his brother is fatally shot.
     The "John Reid" name was listed in Buxton & Owen's 1966 RADIO'S GOLDEN
AGE book (and in a TRIVIA paperback circa 1965-7 that contained much
misinformation).  It is likely the pivital Buxton & Owen hardcover, a fixture
on public library reference shelves to this day, provided the information
that was included on your 1977 Golden Age Record (and also was most probably
the source for the 1979 LEGEND OF THE LONE RANGER film. 
     If A. Joseph Ross and his father heard the episode that supposedly
identified the Ranger as "John Reid" during the 1954-1956 period, they most
probably heard a repeat so the show could be the same one Jim Harmon says was
broadcast in January 1950.  The last live LONE RANGER broadcast occurred on
September 3, 1945.  Repeats of earlier shows were broadcast three times a
week on ABC for the next 9 months and then on NBC five times a week from
5/30/55-5/25/56.  The ABC repeats were all from the 1952-1953 originals.  I
don't have the original airdates of the 1955-1956 NBC repeats so the episode
in question might have been repeated during this time period.  I'll try and
check out the Ace Perigon episode at this week's FOTR convention.
 Personally, I'll be disappointed if it turns out the radio or TV series ever
gave the Ranger a first name.  I always liked the way that the future Lone
Ranger's face was obscured by shadows and such in the TV, newspaper strip and
comic book origins, and the writers seem to have deliberately avoided
mentioning The Lone Ranger's first name in the radio and TV origins.  I
remember feeling cheated when John Reid's name and unmasked face were
casually featured in the 1981 LEGEND OF THE LONE RANGER movie. Much of the
mystery had been lost when they took the mask off the Lone Ranger.  How do
the rest of OTRD's subscriber's feel about this issue?  Would you have
preferred that The Lone Ranger's first name had been forever buried at
Bryant's Gap? -- Anthony Tollin              

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Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 13:33:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Copeland <copie@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: GUIDING LIGHT WANTED
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
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i am looking for episodes of THE GUIDING LIGHT from radio. i need 
episodes after #988.

i have been looking for about 3 years now without success. i am in the 
middle of a plotline that has gone on for about 200 shows (that i have) 
and i'm left hanging.

HELP!!

please email me in private if you can help.

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Date: Sun, 13 Oct 1996 21:22:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: wdp (AIRWAVES MEDIA)
To: otr@[removed] (Old Time Radio)
Subject: Re: Adventures in Collection Agencies
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}  Kubelski@[removed] (Sean Dougherty) wrote:

} [...] Adventures in Cassettes.  I have some advice from
} any of our members who do business with this company:  it isn't worth it.

[Much 'near-libel' banter deleted]

Sean posted a second-person account of what he considered fact
regarding the 'Adventures In Cassette' company and problems 'a friend'
had in receiving some tapes ordered.

This post went way over the line for what it was intended to do and
be.  If one has a bad experience with a vendor, which one feels
compelled to share here should be *first hand* experiences only.
Second hand  'hearsay' is not enough.

A simple note explaining *YOUR EXPERIENCE* is enough.  What was posted
here was pure flame bait using second-hand information and one-sided
reporting that is near libel if not libel itself.  This digest is not
interested in being a party to spreading potentially damaging rumor
and opinion without substantiating proof (such as a legal judgement in
your favor against the firm).

I do *NOT* want to get into an argument with Sean Dougherty or anyone
else about whether this actually did or did not happen.  If it did,
then Sean's 'friend' has legal avenues available for damages.  If it
did not, or if key facts were 'omitted' which may change the actual
(deliberately or not) then Sean may be opening himself up for
problems.  In either event, this digest is not the place for such a
debate.

William Pfeiffer
Administrator: Old Time Radio Digest
wdp@[removed]
Web: [removed]




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