Subject: [removed] Digest V2007 #75
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 3/5/2007 8:07 PM

To: [removed]@[removed]

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2007 : Issue 75
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      anne of the airlines                  [ Grams46@[removed] ]
      About those personal library transfe  [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
      in search of a phone booth            [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      Libraries and OTR                     [ wayne_johnson@[removed] ]
      donating your stuff to institutions   [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      Frances Langford, and The Three Stoo  [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
      Helpful locations                     [ "Barbara Harmon" <jimharmonotr@char ]
      Benny/Allen feud records              [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
      Dan Reid question                     [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
      "Only the names have been [removed]  [ "Stephen Davies" <SDavies@[removed] ]
      reel to reel boxes                    [ "EDWARD CARR" <edcarr@[removed]; ]
      Remembering Roger Hill                [ jim taylor <bettylouson@[removed]; ]
      Mr. President and correct episode Ti  [ jim taylor <bettylouson@[removed]; ]
      Burns and Allen log                   [ Andrew Steinberg <otrdig2@[removed] ]
      Superman clothes                      [ "erest@[removed]" <erest@verizon. ]
      OUR "Juggie"                          [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      Old Radio Remembered in South Dakota  [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
      WVRO Playhouse                        [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
      OTR Revival in Payson, AZ             [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
      Attention: OTR teachers               [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
      donating your OTRadio collection to   [ FabFicBks@[removed] ]

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:45:14 -0500
    From: Grams46@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  anne of the airlines

    when was "anne of the airlines" first aired?
    and who was in the cast?

    thanks and peace from kathy
    support our  troops; end the war
    john 3:16

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:15:17 -0500
    From: <otrbuff@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  About those personal library transferrals

    When I read what Martin Grams posted about personal library transferrals, I
    sent the following to him:

    I wrote the fellow who originally posted the inquiry about value to put on
    his submission to a university last week and told him of my own
    observations.  Our splendid local public library system appears to keep
    nothing "forever."  After a few years, literal carloads (I'm talking trains
    here) turn up at the annual sale they conduct at a local church they take
    over for about three days.  No matter how well intended, and no matter what
    staff may say, the reality is that such organizations are much more eager to
    have 50 cents for a 10-year-old book in order to apply it to what's just now
    being released.  Some works, I find, don't seem to last five years on the
    shelves.  You gave the man (and others) very good cautionary advice.

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:42:40 -0500
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  in search of a phone booth

>     I don't think this had anything to do with kids' interest in science
>     (though, in the wake of Sputnik, the school systems were pushing
>     science pretty heavily).

    Sputnik and the Cold War pushed math and basic physics along, but not
    interest in engineering and industrial processes.  These were already
    well-embedded in the consciousness and the curriculum, and new wonders were
    attracting interest from the general public well before 1957.

    This isn't science, it's comic book pseudo-

>     science.  It's in the same league with the explanation of Superman's
>     non-strength powers that first appeared sometime in the 1960s, to the
>     effect that it's caused by radiation from our yellow sun (Krypton had
>     a red sun).

    Of course.  But the explanation was detailed and as void of magic as the
    plot could bear.  It's been said that Superman had the powers of God, but
    was all based on rational (albeit fictional) facts.

>     If this in any way represented actual advances in fiber science, it
>     was only a coincidence.

    Except for the usual clueless kid in the class, who's probably an investment
    banker somewhere by now, nobody ever thought that the science in Superman or
    on TV was real.  Yet the connection was there: Superman's powers were
    limited, as were ours, yet there were wonders which could be performed
    without blessings from supernatural forces.

    M Kinsler

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:43:15 -0500
    From: wayne_johnson@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Libraries and OTR

    My opinion is to NEVER give anything to a college library.  Might as well
    throw them into the furnace.  My example would be the University of Georgia
    in Athens, GA.  They are home and archive to the Peabody Award submissions.
    I have been in the archive and have seen the thousands of submissions
    including the thousands of discs from radio years gone by.  I have offered to
    have them converted to an acceptable present day format at my expense so that
    I could listen to them only to be told of "copy right" problems and fears.
    (By the way, when I saw them they were in boxes on shelves ... in the
    basement.)

    Even when presented with written and notarized permission from the copy right
    owners, they would not let the recodings out of the "vault" nor anyone in.  I
    grant you that they are the guardians and can do as they see fit; they owe me
    nothing.  But if you ever want something to see the light of day again then
    my opinion is to not give it to a university ... based solely on personal
    experience.

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:45:50 -0500
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  donating your stuff to institutions

>     One University that received OTR-related scripts and
>     materials have kept the collection unavailable for library patrons for more
>     than 15 years and even e-mails and letters have not gotten the staff to
>     catalog, inventory or make their collection available to the public yet.
>     (Their excuse is they don't have the staff or funding to have it cataloged
>     and I am sure this excuse is used over and over by other libraries with the
>     same issues, even when I myself volunteer to catalog and inventory their
>     holdings for free.)

    I cannot adequately emphasize the truth and importance of this.  In general,
    you can safely assume that there are no big institutions which really want
    your collection.  If you have to approach them, don't.

    The average library or museum, whatever their literature may claim, is far
    more concerned with
    the availability of shelf space and their budget, both of which will be
    diminished when you bring in your stuff.  If you wish to donate enough money
    to add a wing to house it, and money to catalog it, there might be some
    interest, but I'm sorry to say that by about 1980 age of the benevolent
    museum, university or library was over for good.  Individually, the curators
    and librarians are good guys, and scholars.  But in the aggregate, with
    their board of governors and a layer of some of the least-tasteful
    bureaucrats this side of the gaming industry, they are not at all pleasant
    to deal with, nor necessarily honest in their affairs.

>     I once
>     donated books to a University library and weeks later I was at their annual
>     book sale and saw my own books on the sale shelf for $[removed] and $[removed] prices.
>       I did buy them back and learned this horrible fact.  Not saying the
>     University you are donating will do this to your reels, but it won't hurt to
>     at least ask and confirm that they won't sell the reels after you donate
>     them and get the answer from a first-hand source that handles such matters.
>     An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

    That's not adequate.  I simply wouldn't trust them--any of them.  I've
    worked for universities as a professor and a museum as a general
    cleaner-upper, and I feel confident in telling you that once the stuff is
    theirs, it's theirs, and they can 'de-acquisit,' if that's the word I want,
    anything they feel like.  Some gets de-aquisited right into the
    dumpster--that's what happens to books that don't sell during the book sale.

    No.  Take your collection and sell it--part it out if you can't sell it in
    one piece; it's less of a tragedy to have it broken up (the buyers will find
    each other eventually) than it is to have it in the back shelf of a storage
    room for eternity, or until someone needs the room to store Christmas
    decorations.

    Anyone who cares enough about OTR materials to pay for them will take care
    of them, and very likely show them off to others, which is what you really
    want.

    M Kinsler

    512 E Mulberry St. Lancaster, Ohio USA 43130 740-687-6368 740-503-1973
    [removed]
    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:46:13 -0500
    From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Frances Langford, and The Three Stooges

    'Just picking up on an old thread:

    One of the famous pieces of "lost" Stooges material is their appearance
    on the 1950s FRANCES LANGFORD SHOW, on television.

    The extensive appearance was unique, in that it also generated a TON of
    Stooges photo material, that has been appearing in mags, books, and the
    like, for ages.

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:46:36 -0500
    From: "Barbara Harmon" <jimharmonotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Helpful locations
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    Cassette storage cases can be easily found at all stores regularly stocking
    buggy whips and typewriter ribbons.

    --JIM HARMON

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:47:32 -0500
    From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Benny/Allen feud records

    Tom Barnett inquired about a 2 LP set that presented
    highlights of the Jack Benny/Fred Allen feud (and
    which is narrated by Jack Benny).

    I don't know if it's available on CD, but I own the
    double cassettes. You might keep an eye out for them
    at music stores (usually in "spoken word" sections, if
    they don't have a place for OTR) or at OTR
    conventions' dealers' tables. I suspect it would be
    easier to make a CD backup from tapes than it would be
    to do so from records.

    But then, for all I know, maybe the set was released
    on CD.

    Rick

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:47:47 -0500
    From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dan Reid question

    Can anyone tell me when the character of Dan Reid (the
    Lone Ranger's nephew) first appeared on _The Lone
    Ranger_?

    Rick

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:47:59 -0500
    From: "Stephen Davies" <SDavies@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Only the names have been [removed]"

    How accurate are the Dragnet stories?  If I looked up the dates of crimes
    and trials (as mentioned in the scripts) over a range of years, would I be
    likely to find newspaper reports of the actual crimes in [removed]

    Stephen D
    Calgary

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:14 -0500
    From: "EDWARD CARR" <edcarr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  reel to reel boxes

    good afternoon /evening
    i need a supply of 7in reel to reel boxes as mine are falling apart and i am
    sending them across country.
    is there anyone on this list who can suggest a place to
    buy them?
    the last time i pd .25cents ea.
    thanks
    edcarr@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:51:07 -0500
    From: jim taylor <bettylouson@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Remembering Roger Hill

    March 5, 2007

    Dear Old Time Radio Digest Readers:

    I was sorry to learn from Barbra's posting about the
    death of Roger Hill.

    Roger had a wonderful store Nothings New.  I had the
    privilege of visiting the store in San Bruno, CA in
    December 1998.

    He helped me find one of my parents favorite movies
    and for the next seven years, he saved me many hours
    of stress at Christmas when I did my shopping because
    of his vast collection of old movies old television
    programs and old time radio programs, I was able to
    find Christmas presents for my family and friends with
    out a hitch.

    For several years, Roger read the Sperdvac Radio Gram
    on tape for the seeing impaired.  Roger as well as all
    of the other readers of the recorded addition of the
    Radio Gram do it with out pay and for this we who read
    the recorded addition or did addition are grateful.
    I will miss Roger Hill, he enriched me.

    Jim Taylor

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:51:54 -0500
    From: jim taylor <bettylouson@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Mr. President and correct episode Titles

    March 5, 2007
    Dear Old Time Radio Digest Readers:

    Has any one written a definitive log for the series
    Mr. President?

    By this I mean the correct episode titles without
    revealing the name of the president. Most catalogs
    list the president's
    name; this defeats the premise of the program.

    If such a log exists please let me know.

    Jim Taylor

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:52:34 -0500
    From: Andrew Steinberg <otrdig2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Burns and Allen log
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    There is an excellent radio log for Burns and Allen in the book George Burns
    and Gracie Allen: A Bio-Bibliography (Bio-Bibliographies in the Performing
    Arts) by Cynthia Clements and Sandra Weber (Hardcover - Aug 30, 1996). It is
    available for about $82 on [removed]

      If you are not able to get a copy of the book, and you have any questions
    about dating Burns and Allen shows, I can try to help using the information
    from this book.

      Andrew

      OTR MP3 Corrections
      [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:33:12 -0500
    From: "erest@[removed]" <erest@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Superman clothes

    I've been recently reading the Superman strips from the daily
    newspapers.  These started in 1939 just before the radio program began
    in 40.  One had Clark Kent leave the newspaper office and go to his
    apartment so he change to the Superman outfit!  Seems he also would use
    a closet wherever he happened to be and leave them and return later to
    change back to Clark Kent.

       Rob

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:12:33 -0500
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OUR "Juggie"

    From: LSMFTnolonger@[removed]

>     Scoop ... features an annoucement  by Archie Comics about the
>     death of Hal Stone

    Thanks for that heads up, Gregory.

    Though it's little remembered outside Classic Era Radio circles today, the
    ARCHIE network show had a long run; as with Superman, it - and hence, Hal's
    "Juggie" - likely was a big influence on the iconic characters' developments
    in
    their formative years.

    -Craig Wichman

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:12:49 -0500
    From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Old Radio Remembered in South Dakota

    An article from the Argus leader about an OTR nostalgia show to benefit
    alzheimer's research:

    [removed]

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:32:38 -0500
    From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WVRO Playhouse

    It's been a while since anyone mentioned that the WRVO Playhouse in Syracuse
    plays three-four hours of OTR every night.  While it's almost impossible to
    keep up, even with the generous advance posting of the schedule
    ([removed]), the hosts deserve credit for not only
    playing familiar favorites like Suspense, Gunsmoke, Jack Benny and Escape
    but also digging up rarities.

    This month, I just noticed the show is featuring 20 episodes of a 1973 NPR
    revival of Peg Lynch's Ethel and Albert.

    It also recently featured a Sears Radio Theater show from 1979 that was Jim
    Jordan's last radio performance.

    I'm not sure if it's on purpose, but it does seem to play a lot of shows
    featuring actors who have graced OTR conventions over the years, even
    tempting the wrath of Himon Brown by playing CBS Radio Mystery Theater.

    They do use AFRS or otherwise de-commercialed versions of shows but many are
    complete.

    With the exeption of hometown favorite Max Schmid's Golden Age of Radio,
    it's my favorite OTR series and a place where I can go almost every night to
    find something interesting.

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:32:55 -0500
    From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR Revival in Payson, AZ

    This article spotlights an attempt to revive an old time radio type program
    in Payson, Arizona.

    [removed]

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:38:40 -0500
    From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Attention: OTR teachers

    The Metro Washington OTR Club was contacted by Suzi Zimmerman, a
    teacher in Plano, TX, who was reading articles on our web site
    regarding radio production. A published author of three books and a
    full time teacher, Zimmerman is working on a fourth book which has a
    section on non-traditional theatre for middle and high school students.
    This will include radio production.

    Zimmerman is interested in hearing from other teachers who have taught
    radio production in schools and who may be able to share their
    experiences  with her. You may contact her off-list at
    <[removed]@[removed];

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
    <[removed]>

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    Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:52:48 -0500
    From: FabFicBks@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  donating your OTRadio collection to a
     university or library

    Hi;
        I would like to echo the comments made by Martin  Grimes concerning
    donations to universities and libraries.  In far more  cases that you would
    believe
    the universities or libraries will not hold  donations which do not directly
    and specifically fit in with their public  mission.  Often they will only hold
    this material a short period of time,  often less than a year, and then sell
    it off.  The best libraries will make  an attempt to move the material to
    another institution which does specialize in  the type of stuff which has been
    donated, but most do not, and then the stuff  winds up in fund raising
    auctions
    or book sales.

        In addition to that, most institutions do not keep  duplicate material.
    So, if you happen to find a university/library which  does have an Old Time
    Radio or Popular Culture section, if the stuff you donate  happens to
    duplicate
    material already in their files, they will sell off the  duplicates, either
    directly, or by working thru a third party who either buys  the material
    outright, or who will pay the institution a set percentage of  whatever the
    third
    party dealer can realize out of the sale.  These are sad  but true facts that
    are
    well known to those of us who are collectors of science  fiction literature,
    comics, pulp magazines or other forms of printed  popular culture literature,
    but I guess the news hasn't gotten round the OTRadio  community yet.

        I am personally acquainted with several  institutions in my area (central
    new England) who received donations of OTRadio  tapes and books and dumped
    them even after signing a agreement with the donors  agreeing to set up
    special
    collections or study programs devoted to old  time radio.  In two cases
    libraries contacted me, because they knew I had a  book store specializing in
    popular culture items, to buy the collections in bulk  because they didn't
    even want
    to bother spreading the stuff out in a book  sale.

        Perhaps the most famous case of this kind involves  the situation when
    Fred Allen donated his collection of tapes, scripts, notes  and papers to the
    Boston Public Library, which sat on his collection for decades  without doing
    anything at all with it, even tho Allen left the library money to  handle the
    material and incorporate it into their system.  The whole  collection was
    stacked in an unheated closet, and only after The Radio  Collectors of
    America, the
    New England based radio club of which I am a member,  harassed and browbeat
    the library officials was this material finally taken out  of storage,
    cataloged
    and made semi-available to the public on a highly  restricted basis.

        My suggestion is that you try to dispose of your  collection to other
    radio collectors first and foremost.  These are the  people who actually care
    about the material.  If you can't sell the stuff  to recoup a part of your
    original investment, then give it away to people who  actually care about the
    material.  Many clubs (including the Radio  Collectors of America) will accept
    donations and see that the material is made  available to members and other
    interested parties.  Give stuff to  relatives, especially younger people who
    might be
    potentially interested.   I sell OTRadio tapes at science fiction conventions
    and comic shows and I have  always found that young people, particularly
    people in their early 20s are  fascinated by the entire concept of OTRadio.
    If
    that doesn't do the job,  give tapes to your local senior center or retirement
    home.  These folks  know what old radio was and they would appreciate hearing
    some of their old  favorites again.  You might also consider donating material
    to your church  for their rummage sale.  At least the money raised will go to
    a charity  that you know and support yourself, rather than some faceless
    institution which  doesn't know you or care anything about your hobby or your
    interests.

    ---Bob Jennings

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