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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2012 : Issue 30
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Memories of Hal (Harlan) Stone, 1931  [ Derek Tague <thatderek@[removed]; ]
  Remember radio?                       [ "Jim Kitchen" <jkitchen@[removed]; ]
  Response to Steve Donovan             [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Jack Benny                            [ Al Girard <24agirard24@[removed] ]
  thirteenth floor for kids             [ "Tony Ditmars" <ditmars@[removed]; ]
  Cringeworthy ?                        [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
  2-15 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Racism In OTR                         [ Stephen Jansen <m00nman666666@yahoo ]
  racism and OTR                        [ "Nicholas Kierniesky" <nkierniesky@ ]

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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:32:57 -0500
From: Derek Tague <thatderek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Memories of Hal (Harlan) Stone, 1931-2007

Next week marks the fifth anniversary of the passing of the man I call the
"Patron Saint of the Old Time Radio Digest." Hal Stone died unexpectedly from
post-surgical complications on February 21, 2007.

For the benefit of newer Digest subscribers, Hal Stone was a radio actor best
known for his long-running role as "Jughead" on "Archie Andrews," the radio
sitcom version of the 1940s "Archie" comic books and comic strips. Along with
the late Harry Bartell, Hal was one of several "of the era" OTR performers
who regularly posted on this forum.  However, Hal's musings went far beyond
mere "postings" as he was known to hold court each time he signed off as "Hal
(Harlan) Stone, Jughead."  Those wanting to learn more about Stone and his
radio career are urged to seek out his 2003 memoir "Aw ... Relax, Archie!
Re-laxx!" (derived from his well-known opening catchphrase from "Archie
Andrews"; the book's unofficial subtitle on the title page reads "When radio
wa `King' I was once a `prince' But ended up a `JUGHEAD'"),  ISBN
0-9720170-0-3.

As a central figure here on the Digest, Hal was known for the affectionate
sobriquets he accorded fellow subscribers such as "The Grecian Goddess" for
Irene Heinstein, and "The Awesome Aussie" for our Down-Under pal Ian Grieve.
One time in answer to a query I had as to whether Jughead's full comic-book
name "Forsyth Pendleton Jones" was ever used on the radio programme, Hal
actually signed off as "Hal (Harlan) Stone, Forsyth."

And there was another time when a contentious academic who used to post here
regularly had mistakenly implied that another well-known younger OTR
historian/impresario was acting in a cryptically self-aggrandizing manner.
Hal came to the defense of the younger fellow and seemingly blasted the
professor out of the water. Hal was unwaveringly loyal to the people he
considered his friends in the OTR hobby.

For many years, I produced and moderated the annual "Funny Friday" comedy
panel for the FOTR (Friends of Old Time Radio) convention in New Jersey. Hal
was a panelist for the first such panel in 2003. In 2006, Hal was in
attendance for "Funny Friday" which showcased Chuck McCann, who was making
his first FOTR appearance. Somehow, we ended up calling unscheduled
non-panelist Hal Stone from the audience to perform an impromptu
"Honeymooners" routine with Chuck essaying the Gleason/Kramden role and Hal
brilliantly channeling the part of Ed Norton (Art Carney).

In January 2007 during the FOTR "off-season," I began planning as to what I
wanted to present for  that autumn's "Funny Friday." Given  Messrs. McCann's
and Stone's talents for mimicry, I was all prepared to let this nascent
comedy team have the entire panel to do whatever they wanted (shtick, take
questions, show films, whatever). As I envisioned it, all my co-host Mary Lou
Wallace and I would've done was make introductions and tell them when to wrap
it up.

In an e-mail around that time, I wrote to Hal with this McCann/Stone proposal
signing off with "Running it up the proverbial flagpole." Hal wrote back with
"And SALUTING it!" He liked the idea. But in the same e-correspondence, Hal
cautioned that he was imminently scheduled for heart surgery and would be
away from his e-mail for a month or so afterward as he recuperated. He
instructed me to re-contact him in the spring so as to get the ball rolling.

This was the last e-mail I ever received from Hal.

Ever optimistic, he posted something similar here on the Digest a few days
before going under the knife asking his Digest friends likewise to refrain
from sending him e-mails as he would be e-incommunicado during his
convalescence. Hal assured the readership that he was going in for a routine
procedure that didn't warrant any worry.

On the evening of February 21, Listmaster Charlie Summers put out an "extra"
edition of the OTR Digest with a single "Administrivia" posting titled "My
pal Hal is gone." Upon learning the news, I took it upon myself to inform OTR
folks without the Internet including Will Hutchins and Arthur Anderson
(Arthur has since joined the digital age). I spoke with Arthur's wife Alice
about how Hal had been minimizing his surgery by calling it "routine." Alice,
who had endured Arthur being fitted with a pacemaker, said something with
great severity -- words to the effect of "When it comes to the heart, there
is no such thing as a `routine' procedure."

But my favourite Hal Stone story occurred at the 2006 Cincinnati Old Time
Radio & Nostalgia Convention. That show's producer Bob Burchett asked me to
host a "meet-and-greet" panel with OTR celebrity guests Fred Foy, Hal Stone,
and Hal's "Archie Andrews" co-stars Bob "Archie" Hastings and Rosemary
"Betty" Rice. Hal was known for his quick-witted and good-natured put-downs
of his lifelong friend Bob Hastings. Much like the characters in the "Bob `n'
Ray" routines Bob and Hal performed, there was always a perceivable sense of
an extraordinary camaraderie lying beneath the razor-sharp barbs.

This panel was an informal one eliciting show-biz anecdotes from the
panelists. Bob Hastings told a story about working on the 1968 espionage film
"Ice Station Zebra" and how reporters from the still-extant "Confidential"
type Hollywoodgossip magazines would gather at the studio gates trying to dig
up dirt on the alleged sexual inclinations of the film's star Rock Hudson.
Being recognized as a known TV/movie character actor, Hastings would
customarily be approached by these "vultures" (my phrasing) and then shrug
them off without comment.

Speaking in the present tense, Bob explained that he had heard the rumors
about Rock Hudson at the time, how he didn't care about Hudson's private
life, and that he refused to co-operate with folks who didn't respect his
colleague's privacy. Bob concluded the story by saying about Rock Hudson "All
I know is that he never tried anything with me."

After a pregnant pause, Hal Stone blurted out "Can you blame him?!"

I miss Hal.

Yours ever in the ether,

Derek Tague

[ADMINISTRIVIA: For my personal recolections of my friend and Katie's "Uncle
Hal," including a video of the one time Hal and I performed on the same FOTR
stage, see [removed]  --cfs3]

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Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 18:33:31 -0500
From: "Jim Kitchen" <jkitchen@[removed];
To: "old time radio digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Remember radio?

For those not familiar with Jim Harmon's "The Great Radio Heroes" published
in 1967, here's the description from the back cover of the pocket book
version:

Remember radio?

"Remember the glorious days of those marvelous radio hours, when the most
exciting people in the most glamorous places, having the greatest adventures
flew across the either to Stromberg-Carlson consoles and homemade crystal
sets right into our very homes!

Here they are-the righteous Lone Ranger, the fair-minded Jack Armstrong,
straight-shooting Tom Mix, the martyred Stella Dallas, the kindly old Mr.
Keane, the mysterious Shadow, the buzzing Green Hornet, the frigid Sergeant
Preston, the over-heated Fat Man, the meddling Ma Perkins, the analytic
Sherlock Holmes, the high-flying Captain Midnight, the incredibly typical
Vic and Sade, the fearless Gangbusters, irresistible Superman, the world's
oldest 35-year old Helen Trent, the cool Sam Spade, the indestructible
Little Orphan Annie, and all the others."

Jim Kitchen

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:04:59 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Response to Steve Donovan

In response to Stephen Donovan, radio was a product of its day, right
or wrong. I am offended by the word "jap," but during World War II it
was used all of the time. That would not stop me from listening to the
radio shows of that time. Thankfully, for the most part, we are past
that.

Ron

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:06:37 -0500
From: Al Girard <24agirard24@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jack Benny

The story about so many people who had not heard of Jack Benny reminded
me of
"The People's Choice Awards" a few years ago. The program had a category for
"The greatest entertainer of all time".  That category should have
dozens of possible
winners, all names that we are so familiar with. Names like Jack Benny,
Bob Hope, Red Skelton,
Judy Garland, Bing Crosby, Fred Astaire, Al Jolson and so many more.

I was astounded when "the people" voted Tom Hanks as the greatest
entertainer of all time.

How sad!

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:07:05 -0500
From: "Tony Ditmars" <ditmars@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  thirteenth floor for kids

Hello all
We called it "The Thirteenth Floor" but I suppose it may have had a different
title. Heard it several times in the mid 1950s in the Pacific Northwest area.
Was a one episode children's drama/fantasy about a brother & sister who got
separated from their parents in a dept store, wander onto the elevator and end
up getting off on the thirteenth floor. That's when it got really interesting,
tho I can't remember the details, just that it was pretty rivetting stuff for
five year olds.
Does this ring bells with anyone?
Thanks
Tony Ditmars

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:07:52 -0500
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cringeworthy ?
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Hi Gang, 
 
In issue #29, Stephen Donovan, writing about Amos and Andy  posted in part: 

When you listen to their early shows, you will quickly  hear
depictions of blatant stereoypes and prejudices. There have been  listening
moments for me that were truly cringeworthy.

Perhaps I'm missing something.  I've played many recordings of Gosden  and 
Correll's  
broadcasts, and have never heard any stereotypical or prejudicial comments  
or plots. 
I'd like to have a date or title of just one of these cringeworthy  
programs.  
I seriously doubt if any such alleged broadcasts exist. 
 
Happy Taping -- Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois and Alma, Arkansas
 
 

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:08:02 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  2-15 births/deaths

February 15th births

02-15-1882 - John Barrymore - Philadelphia, PA - d. 5-29-1942
actor: (The Great Profile) "Streamlined Shakespeare"; "Rudy Vallee Show"
02-15-1883 - Sax Rohmer - London, England - d. 6-1-1959
writer: "Fu Manchu detective novels
02-15-1893 - Walter Donaldson - NYC - d. 7-15-1947
songwriter: "Fitch Bandwagon"
02-15-1896 - Arthur Shields - d. 4-27-1970
actor: (Brother of Barry Fitzgerald) "Cavalcade of America"
02-15-1899 - Anthony Gilbert (Lucy Beatrice Malleson) - London,
England - d. 12-9-1973
author: "Black Death"
02-15-1899 - Gale Sondergaard - Litchfield, MN - d. 8-14-1985
actor: "Columbia Presents Corwin"
02-15-1905 - Harold Arlen - Buffalo, NY - d. 4-23-1986
composer: "Songs By Arlen"; "Kraft Program"; "Good New of 1940"
02-15-1907 - Cesar Romero - NYC - d. 1-1-1994
actor: "Movietone Radio Theatre"
02-15-1908 - Hartzell Spence - Clarion, IA - d. 5-9-2001
writer: "Cavalcade of America"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
02-15-1908 - Hugh Wedlock, Jr. - d. 12-13-1993
writer: "Jack Benny Program"; "Lum and Abner"; "That's My Pop"
02-15-1908 - William Janney - NYC - d. 12-22-1992
actor: Gary Haven "We are Always Young"; Howie Wing "Howie Wing"
02-15-1910 - Vladimir Selinsky - Kiev, Russia - d. 9-6-1984
music: "The Doctor Fights"; "The FBI in Peace and War"; "The Electric
Theatre"
02-15-1912 - Howard Harris - d. 3-22-1986
writer: "Abbott and Costello Show"; "Amazing Mr. Smith"; "Mr. and Mrs.
North"
02-15-1914 - Kevin McCarthy - Seattle, WA - d. 9-11-2010
actor: Richard Lawless "Richard Lawless"
02-15-1914 - Roland Kibbee - Monongahela, PA - d. 8-5-1984
writer: "The Fred Allen Show"
02-15-1916 - Mary Jane Croft - Muncie, IN - d. 8-24-1999
actor: Sandra Martin "Story of Sandra Martin"; Alice Henderson "Beulah"
02-15-1918 - Hank Locklin - Mc Lellan, FL - d. 3-8-2009
played guitar and sang on radio stations across the South as a teenager
02-15-1918 - Jean Hatton - Denver, CO - d. 5-2-2009
assistant to Fulton Lewis, Jr.
02-15-1919 - Frank Behrens - Sheboygan, WI - d. 12-15-1986
actor: Billie "Billie the Brownie"; Jack Armstrong "Jack Armstrong"
02-15-1922 - Otis Carney - Chicago, IL - d. 1-1-2006
writer: "Words at War"
02-15-1923 - Keene Curtis - Salt Lake City, UT - d. 10-13-2002
actor: NPR Playhouse "Star Wars"
02-15-1924 - Kingsley Colton - NYC
actor: Buddy Watson "My Son and I"; Hancey Nielsen "Prairie Folks"
02-15-1926 - Mary Lee Robb - Chicago, IL - d. 8-28-2006
actor: Marjorie Forrester "Great Gildersleeve"
02-15-1927 - Harvey Korman - Chicago, IL - d. 5-29-2008
started in radio at the age of 12
02-15-1929 - Paul Ferris - Swansea, Wales
radio columnist, script writer
02-15-1931 - Claire Bloom - London, England
actor: "Kaleidoscope"
02-15-1934 - Graham Kennedy - d. 5-25-2005
began career on radio in 1950s as sidekick to Nicky Nicholls

February 15th deaths

01-16-1909 - Ethel Merman - Astoria, NY - d. 2-15-1984
singer" "Ethel Merman Show"; "Home Front Matinee"
02-03-1915 - Helen Hall - d. 2-15-1984
hostess: "One Woman's New York"
02-04-1915 - Ray Evans - Salamanca, NY - d. 2-15-2007
songwriter: "Hollywood Calling-George Fisher Interviews the Stars"
02-05-1918 - Tim Holt - Beverly Hills, CA - d. 2-15-1973
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
02-25-1921 - Patricia Ryan - London, England - d. 2-15-1949
actor: Amy March "Little Women"; Claudia Naughton "Claudia and David"
03-13-1905 - Louis Roen - Marengo, WI - d. 2-15-1993
announcer: "Today's Children"; "The Breakfast Club"
03-17-1919 - Nat "King" Cole - Montgomery, AL - d. 2-15-1965
singer: "King Cole Trio Time"
03-27-1906 - Pee Wee Russell - Maple Wood, MO - d. 2-15-1969
clarinet: "Eddie Condon's Jazz Concerts"
04-01-1891 - Harold True - Hornell, NY - d. 2-15-1973
announcer/narrator: "The Lone Ranger"
04-08-1905 - Ilka Chase - NYC - d. 2-15-1978
panelist, hostess, actor: "Leave It to the Girls"; "Luncheon at the
Waldorf"
04-09-1920 - Art Van Damme - Norway, MI - d. 2-15-2010
jazz accordionist: (Art Van Damme Quintet) "Dave Garroway Show"
04-10-1827 - Lew Wallace - Brookville, IN - d. 2-15-1905
author: Several of his works adapted for radio
05-12-1914 - Howard K. Smith - Ferriday, LA - d. 2-15-2002
newsman: "World News Today"; "News Roundup"; "Howard K. Smith News"
05-15-1915 - Harold Barlow - Boston, MA - d. 2-15-1993
Music plagiarism consultant for radio stations
06-03-1913 - Lucille Lund - Buckley, WA - d. 2-15-2002
actor: "First Nighter"
06-07-1908 - Boris Goldovsky - Moscow, Russia - d. 2-15-2001
commentator: "Metropolitan Opera"
06-15-1895 - Morty Howard - Brooklyn, NY - d. 2-15-1970
pianist: "The Moylan Sisters"; "Rocking Horse Rhythms"
06-22-1901 - Jack Whiting - Philadelphia, PA - d. 2-15-1961
singer: "MGM Radio Club"
06-24-1929 - Barbara Franklin (Perkins) - Regina, Canada - d. 2-15-2009
actor/singer: "Opportunity Knocks"
07-07-1888 - John Frank - Missouri - d. 2-15-1961
actor: Jimmie Allen "Air Advs. of Jimmie Allen"
07-08-1912 - Donna Dameral - Chicago, IL - d. 2-15-1941
actor: Marge Mintere "Myrt and Marge"
07-22-1910 - Dorris Macon - d. 2-15-1982
singer: (Son of Uncle Dave Macon) :"Grand Ole Opry"
07-30-1912 - Charles Irving - Minneapolis, MN - d. 2-15-1981
actor: Tex Mason "Bobby Benson's Advs."; Jerry Malone "Young Dr. Malone"
09-03-1922 - Burt Kennedy - Muskegon MI - d. 2-15-2001
writer: Wrote for radio in late 1940s
09-28-1914 - Lou Derman - d. 2-15-1976
writer: "Life with Luigi"
10-15-1917 - Jan Miner - Boston, MA - d. 2-15-2004
actor: Ann Williams "Casey, Crime Photographer"; "Lora Lawton "Lora
Lawton"
11-14-1923 - Margaret Courtenay - Cardiff, Wales - d. 2-15-1996
actor: "The Price of Fear"
11-24-1925 - Al Cohn - Brooklyn, NY - d. 2-15-1988
saxophonist: "Your Hit Parade"
12-02-1889 - Paul Althouse - d. 2-15-1954
tenor: WEAF New York, New York
12-06-1924 - Wally Cox - Detroit, MI - d. 2-15-1973
comedian: "[removed] Steel Hour"; "Wally Cox Show"
12-17-1905 - Stella Unger - NYC - d. 2-15-1970
commentator: "Hecker's Information Bureau"; "Your Hollywood News Girl"

Ron

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:09:48 -0500
From: Stephen Jansen <m00nman666666@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Racism In OTR

Steve Donovan posed a few questions about racism in OTR.

About "How do I feel when listening to these programs":

Frankly, I really enjoy the chill of discomfort and unease I feel when
hearing the unenlightened racist references here and there.  Particularly
because it is so unusual to hear things like that in these Politically
Correct times - I mean, the nation got most of that idiotic stuff out of it's
system in the 1970's with "All In The Family", right?  It is so strange to
hear those things thrown about without a second [removed] again, the same
holds true for the scads of OTR cigarette ads - "doctors" saying that this
brand is actually good for your [removed]!  But all of this adds to the
"time travel" aspect of OTR for me.  It is all so unusual and surreal that it
really does take me to another place.  I'm not old
enough for any OTR to actually be nostalgic, so I don't get any of those
"good old days" [removed] time travel.

BUT - on the radio production end of things (!), when you have only
twenty-two minutes to tell a complete story, you have very little time to
devote to character development from scratch.  Stereotypes are almost a
necessity.  The cop is Irish.  The evil scientist is German.  The laundry
lady is Chinese.  The street thug is from the Bronx, unless he's very
upper-crust, in which case he's British.  The hero is white and AMERICAN.  Et
cetera, et cetera.

I would have to say that I hear much more stereotyping in OTR than overt
racism!  Although possibly this slightly less evil version of racism is the
more insidious of the two types?  [removed]

The discussion is on racism, but does that exclude sexism?  Your waitress
took your order, the lady nurse changed your linens, your girl maid did the
[removed] (ex-navy) guy cooked your food, the male doctor gave you your
exam, and the maid service was run by a man.  His secretary is a woman, of
course.

I think that allowing others to hear the shows opens up whole new avenues of
discussion - I have had people ready to argue about Amos 'n' [removed] I
"shouldn't listen to it"(!).  Then I get to mention about all of the good
things that Gosden and Correll did for the colored community, how they
actually grew up in the poor South, how the show was
listened to by almost everyone, how movie theaters would pause a motion
picture so patrons could go to the lobby and listen to A & A - what is there
today that is even remotely comparable?

Steve Darnall (Nostalgia Digest/Those Were the Days/Radio's Golden Age) gave
an excellent OTR presentation here in the Chicago area about a year ago, I
commended him [removed] only for the greatly informative and
entertaining show, but his candor in discussing Amos 'n' Andy and their
impact on society.  Most tend to gloss over this important duo to avoid any
confrontation.

Racism is basically ignorance.  There is no need for anyone to be ignorant of
our nation's cutural history, and OTR is a record (an ACTUAL record!) of that
history.  What a bonus that it can be so entertaining!  No need to be
revisionist, or ignore the past.  What a charge it is, to hear some
ridiculous ill-informed remark made in a show, go "Wow! I can't believe they
said that!", and continue listening, being glad that we live in much more
enlightened times.

Stephen Jansen

Old Time Radio never dies, it just changes formats!

[removed]

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Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:10:53 -0500
From: "Nicholas Kierniesky" <nkierniesky@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  racism and OTR

Stephen Donovan raises the discussion point of racism in OTR, with the
blessing of the site administrator.  I agree that this is a good discussion
point, although the topic can easily fall off an intellectual tract. As an
OTR enthusiast for over several decades and in my 60s, I have a strong
interest in OTR's relationship to shifts in social and health issues,
including sexism, tobacco, etc.

The answer to Stephen's second question is a bit easier for me than the
first.  Do I feel bad listening to racially tinged material in OTR?
Basically the answer is no, for one simple reason.  In my opinion, anyone
listening to OTR must listen realizing the historical context of the
original broadcast.  OTR was during old times!   To utter about a line in a
show, "That was not an appropriate thing to say" is anachronistic.   If you
choose to do so, how can you enjoy OTR for what it was?  Or for that matter,
how can you even enjoy the study of history?   One's "modern self" knows
what racism is.   OTR was during very racist times.

The first question regarding when racist content started to decrease is a
bit more complicated, since there are so many different takes on "levels" of
racism.  For instance, Jack Benny mentions in his autobiography ([removed]) that
stereotypical racial comments about Rochester were eliminated by the mid
1940s.  Those familiar with all the shows can hear this shift.  But
Rochester was still in service, chauffeuring, addressing everyone as "Mr."
or "Miss," and isolated from the social situations of characters in the
story into the Fifties.  The fact that Rochester often got the upper hand in
certain situations was funny because of his subservient role.  Racism
diminished in OTR language in the 40s, but most would argue that racism
continued into the Fifties and beyond.

There's much to be said here.  For racism and context, I also strongly
recommend Elizabeth McLeod's excellent book, "The Original Amos 'N' Andy."

Now about tobacco [removed]

-Nik Kierniesky
-Gettysburg

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