Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #461
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 12/1/2002 9:03 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 461
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Why are OTR Clubs outside North Amer  [ Elmer Standish <elmer_standish@telu ]
  radio themes                          [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
  The Johnny Dollar Theme Hunt          [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
  Favorite Radio themes                 [ "Alain Altounian" <aaltounian@fourn ]
  Marilyn Monroe's death                [ "Christian Blees" <christian-blees@ ]
  Re: CBS in the West 1928-29           [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Vaughn Meader - First Family          [ TallPaulK@[removed] ]
  rare Cincinnati show                  [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  cinnamon bear question                [ vigor16@[removed] ]
  Vaughn Meader                         [ Bhob <bhob2@[removed]; ]
  Had an interesting [removed]      [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
  christmas songs                       [ Keith Houdeshell <khowdy@[removed] ]

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:21:20 -0500
From: Elmer Standish <elmer_standish@[removed];
To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Why are OTR Clubs outside North America
 Rarely mentioned?

In perusing the Digest and other sources, most OTR clubs and Resources
are based in either Canada or the USA. Very seldom is reference made
to such organizations in Countries like Australia, New Zealand, the UK,
or others.

I would assume that such clubs, resources, and Internet Sites exist but
does anyone outside North America make contributions to the Digest?
In fact, mention of Canadian OTR is also rare but I have seen a rare
item although not for some time.

Any info would be much appreciated; Thanks to all who might have some
knowledge on the subject.

===> ELMER

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:55:21 -0500
From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  radio themes

Hi, Judy Lane <jlane@[removed];

I don't know about a cassette but I recall an LP of radio themes called
"Themes Like Old Times". Don't recall the label. I may have owned it once or
borrowed from the library. (this probably doesn't help much)

Joe Salerno

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 04:04:47 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Johnny Dollar Theme Hunt

Rob Chatlin <rchatlin@[removed]; observed:

Whenever I listen some Johnny Dollar episodes, the theme very much reminds
me of the TV theme for Fantasy Island.

Funny you should think it sounded like a tv theme, Rob, because I've long
thought it reminded me of the theme to _Sea Hunt_, as I vaguely recall it
over the decades since it aired. So you prompted me to investigate:

A very handy resource, if you're not already aware of it, is:

[removed] where I learned:

Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar
     Theme 1: [theme title under investigation]
                                        probably Mark Warnow

     Theme 2, circa 1955: Love Theme No. 1 --
     from the MUTEL music service library (also
     released as: "Theme No. 1 - Dramatic - Long"
     in the Capitol "Q" series library)
                                          George (MUTEL BMI credit) [probably
                                          composed by Herschel Burke Gilbert
and Joseph
                                          Mullendore] Lee

You'll note that Theme No. 2 is named Theme No. 1. No wonder I get confused!
I further learned:

Theme: "Sea Hunt Theme"

     Composer: Ray Llewellyn (BMI)

              [pseudonym of several ZIV-TV composers, when
               they worked under a buyout contract; These
               composers included David Rose, Ray Bloch and
               others whose cues also ended up in the World
               Broadcasting System (WBS) production music
               library which Fred Ziv purchased and expanded.

               According to production music library expert
               Paul Mandell, it is believed David Rose was
               the composer of the "Sea Hunt Theme".]

Looks like they were both canned stock music, with, apparently no other
connection, but my memory insisted otherwise, so I found the _Sea Hunt_ theme
sound file at:

[removed]

I'm pretty sure that I hear the distinctive Johnny Dollar theme within the
orchestral opening or closing music here (this clip could conceivably be from
one of a couple of tv theme record albums rather than the original), though I
think the principle motif I remember was more evident in the bridge music
played during the course of the show. But to compare them I found some YTJD
shows at:

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Unfortunately, it turns out I can't play them because my RA player is out of
date, and there are no free versions available for my computer, and the
single YTJD mp3 I seem to have on hand is the earlier Edmund O'Brien version
with mystery Theme No. 1. So I am, at present, unable to hear the Johnny
Dollar music to make that comparison. See what YOU think. In my memory they
are very similar.

[Here's another interesting-looking site I stumbled upon in my search, with
OTR clips; I might as well pass it on, too.

[removed]  ]

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:04:12 -0500
From: "Alain Altounian" <aaltounian@[removed];
To: "Old. Time. Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Favorite Radio themes

I've always enjoyed the high adventure intro from the "Voyage of the Scarlet
Queen"

Alain

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:04:36 -0500
From: "Christian Blees" <christian-blees@[removed];
To: "OTR digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Marilyn Monroe's death

Hi all,

I'm a German freelance journalist and looking for radio coverage on the
death of Marilyn Monroe (news clips from the day of her death as well as
documentarķes from later years). If there's anybody willing to help me I
could offer a trade or money. PLEASE CONTACT ME OFF LIST.
christian-blees@[removed] .Thanks a lot in advance, Christian

Christian Blees

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:05:15 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: CBS in the West 1928-29

On 11/30/02 11:05 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

Did any other Los Angeles station have an affiliation with CBS before 1929?

Since the last time this question came up, I've run across program
listings in "Radio Digest" which offer evidence that certain prominent
CBS programs -- including "The Majestic Theatre of the Air," "The Old
Gold Paul Whiteman Hour, "The Voice of Columbia," "The Kolster Radio
Hour," "The Sonora Phonograph Hour," and "The Columbians" -- were being
picked up by stations of the Seattle-based "American Broadcasting
Company" during 1928-29. KPLA was this network's Los Angeles affiliate.

This "American Broadcasting Company" had no relation to any later network
carrying this name -- it was promoted by Adolph Linden, a Seattle banker
who claimed to have plans to build his network into a coast-to-coast
operation, but who was, in fact, just another in the long line of
hustlers who infested broadcasting during the 1920s. The Seattle-ABC
connection to CBS was not a true, full-time affiliation -- it seems to
have been nothing more than an ad-hoc arrangement set up to satisfy
certain nationally-marketing sponsors who insisted on coast-to-coast
clearance for their programs. For the vast majority of CBS programming
during this period the network ended at Denver.

The Seattle-based ABC fell apart in the fall of 1929 when it was
discovered that the network founder had been financing its operations
thru funds embezzled from his bank. Linden was sent to prison, the
network's assets sold at auction, and that was the end of that. The
formal alliance between CBS and Don Lee followed in December, ensuring a
permanent West Coast presence for Columbia.

Elizabeth

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:33:36 -0500
From: TallPaulK@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Vaughn Meader - First Family

Rob Chatlin asked about the availability of the Vaughn Meader album - The 
First Family.  This was a #1 LP from 1962-1963 poking fun at the Kennedy 
administration and family.

The First Family and the follow-up LP are available on one CD.  Try 
[removed]

-              Paul Kattelman - Sharonville, Ohio

[ADMINISTRIVIA: This recording is alao available at Barnes & Nobel; if you
use the following link to purchase, we'll receive a small percentage of 
the sale as an affiliate fee to help pay for the bandwidth and server
fees:

[removed];sourceid=39917910&bfpid=0090431608227&bfmtype=music

FYI, it's currently in-stock; purchase before the 14th for
ground shipping to get it to you by the 24th.  --cfs3]

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:33:41 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  rare Cincinnati show

This isn't 100% OTR, but I figured since there are Cincinnati OTR club
members on the digest, maybe someone can help Bill?

Bill Houston is looking for VHS tapes of an old show that used to air in
Cincinnati, Ohio on WLWT called the Ruth Lyons 50-50 Club.  If someone can
get them for him, or knows where he can find them, please drop him a line,
he'd like to give them to his mother for Christmas.  Bill is available at
whouston56@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:54:56 -0500
From: vigor16@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  cinnamon bear question

Hi all,

My youth may be showing, and that's not bad for 51, but I was listening
to CB like I do every year and a question has been knawing at for for the
7 years we've been doing this around our house.   What is a Velosapeed.
It is something Judy Barton is asking Santa for in the first episode.
Every year, I mean to ask somebody, now I'm doing it.  I asume it isn't a
video game, ha ha. Do other folks do CB daily til Christmas each year?
I'd be interested in how long others have done it in recreation and
stories families may have about the annual ritchual.  I have one story.

	About 6 years ago, a friend spent a few nights at our house at
Christmas
time.  She stayed over the night Jimmy, Judy, and CB were about to be
pushed into the emence ink well.  For years, this friend would tell
people how they got pushed in.  No, wait a minute, were they?   Thank you
for your time and space.

Deric

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:55:04 -0500
From: Bhob <bhob2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Vaughn Meader

Rob Chatlin asked about Vaughn Meader on CD. Meader's THE FIRST FAMILY
LP was re-issued on CD October 1999 and is available from CD Now and
Songsearch: [removed]

Also Comedy Home: [removed]

I remember when Vaughn Meader came into the midtown Manhattan workshop
for comedy performers one night in the early 1960s. It was so cold that
night that fewer than a half-dozen people were present. Meader explained
that he was looking for some way to vary his club act: "I tickle the
ivories and tell a few jokes." He demonstrated by sitting at the piano,
playing a few chords and using the keyboard to punctuate random
one-liners. He seemed baffled as to where to go with such an act.
Everyone present offered a few suggestions.

A year later, I happened to go back on a night when Meader returned.
This time the place was packed with some 30 or 35 comics and various
gagwriter wannabes. Overnight, Meader had become a big name, and he took
the stage to recreate his JFK press conference routine, beginning by
telling everyone to just ask questions like reporters.

Instead, they began yelling out jokes. Meader stopped and said, "C'mon,
fellows, just ask straight questions." He went back into his routine.
More gags were thrown at him. The envious gagsters would not allow
Meader to present his famous routine. Everyone wanted to share the
spotlight. The annoyed Meader just shook his head, cut it short, stepped
down and vanished out into the Broadway night.

The night after the JFK assassination, Lenny Bruce walked onto a stage
and delivered an opening line, "Poor Vaughn Meader."

Sometime in 1974 I turned on a TV set and happened to catch a "Whatever
became of Vaughn Meader?" segment. There was Meader, now sporting a
beard so he wouldn't look like JFK or Vaughn Meader. He was sitting at a
piano in a club somewhere in Wisconsin or Indiana, and he explained, "I
tickle the ivories and tell a few jokes." Sadly, he had gone full circle
back to that cold evening at the Times Square comedy workshop!

Vaughn Meader bio:
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Vaughn Meader tells what happened in this fascinating first-person
memoir (reprinted from a 1999 NEW YORK TIMES with 1999 photo):
[removed]

Also on Sound Portraits, hear a great Mary Margaret McBride interview
with Weegee on WEAF in 1945:
[removed]

Bhob @ FUSEBOX NEWSPAPER COMIC STRIPS @
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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 20:59:34 -0500
From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Had an interesting [removed]

Folks;

   As many of you know (that is, anyone who's ever talked to me for more than
30-seconds, anyway), I am an old guy with a four-year-old red-headed
daughter. I have avoided up to this point exposing her directly to OTR,
instead only indirectly (she frequently plays in my office while I work and
listen, that sort of thing)...I mean, after all, a two-or-three-year-old has
the attention span of a flea.

   We decided this year to listen to The Cinnamon Bear. Understand, the bulk
of that decision was taken because Annie and I have never taken the time to
listen to the enire thing, but we also figured Katie would be old enough by
now to sit for the 10-12 minutes required, even in the event she wasn't
terrifically interested.

   So I took the reworked set of CB episodes I made (time the episodes on the
Radio Spirits CD set, and you'll understand my use of the word, "reworked" -
can you say Paddy O'MickeyMouse?), and played the first one the other night.
I spent a little time during the day preparing the Katester, who watches
television regularly (shush, all of you; "Sesame Street," "Blue's Clues," and
"Reading Rainbow" are just a few examples of truly exceptional programs we
have watched together since she was in her play pen), for seeing things with
her mind instead of her eyes.

   The recording began, taking the place of her evening book, in a
dimly-lighted bedroom. Her face almost immediately took on that distant-stare
look I think we've _all_ worn, seeing the story we're hearing in that far-away
place in our minds' eye. She asked occasional questions during the episode
(hey,
even _I_ had to look up "Velocipede" - hit
[removed];r=2 secretly if you don't
want to admit you don't know, either), but for the length of that first
episode, she was primarily snuggled with her head on Annie's legs, and her
mind off somewhere in a 1937 attic.

   After the episode was finished, and I turned off the recording, the
chatter [removed] was particularly difficult to get her teeth brushing
completed, what with all the talking about that little stuffed bear who
growls so silly, and how was he ever going to get Jimmmy and Judy to
"de-grow" to his same tiny size? Getting her settled into bed was a long
process because of her wondering what that dragon could have done with the
silver star for the tree. And later, listening at her door, I heard her
telling her dolly all about what she [removed] saw.

   It was a truly magical experience.

         Charlie (who dreads explaining what an "inkwell" [removed]  ;)

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:04:59 -0500
From: Keith Houdeshell <khowdy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  christmas songs

I was listening to a Fibber McGee & Molly Christmas show from 1943. at the
end of the show the cast sings Twas the night before Christmas.  Jim Jordan
announces that they are repeating this because they had so many request
when they did it the previous year.  He explained that Ken Darby of the
King's Men group originated this musical version.  I was surprised thinking
that the musical version was much older.  I know that many of our favorite
Christmas songs started in the 40's  like Rudolf, white Christmas, here
comes Santa clause, ect.  The poem was published in the middle of the 19 th
century and I would have thought someone would have set it music long
before 1943.

Keith

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