Subject: [removed] Digest V2008 #233
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Date: 10/5/2008 5:32 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2008 : Issue 233
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Cincinnati Convention Flyer           [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      Fibber McGee                          [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Re: Fibber McGee and Molly on Monito  [ "JEFFREY DAVIS" <JDavis3153@[removed] ]
      Re: aural logos                       [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      Eddie Carroll in Thousand Oaks for P  [ seandd@[removed] ]
      Dr. IQ Candy Bar                      [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
      Request                               [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
      10-4 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      Home Recordings                       [ "Arthur Funk" <Art-Funk@[removed]; ]
      audio books from BearManor Media      [ Ben Ohmart <benohmart@[removed]; ]
      Re: Oxydol and other radio era brand  [ FabFicBks@[removed] ]
      Copyrighted sounds                    [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Straight Arrow                        [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      RE: Copyright sounds                  [ "W. Harris" <nbcblue@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:21:51 -0400
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cincinnati Convention Flyer

       For those not routinely checking the Nostalgic Rumblings blog (and why
    exactly aren't you?), the latest (ok, the first) flyer for this year's
    convention is available for viewing and downloading at
    [removed] - future flyers will be there as Bob gets them out.

             Charlie

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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:22:39 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Fibber McGee
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    Andrew asked:

>     There are 4 clips from Fibber McGee and Molly that were featured
>     on the showMonitor dealing with Luther Burbank's birthday and Girl Scout
>     Week.
>     These wereapparently broadcast on the same date, but it is not clear to me
>     which [removed] are 3 possibilities: 1) 59-05-09 The date on my mp3 files ;
>     2)
>     59-04-05The date at [removed] ; 3) 59-03-07 based on internal references to
>     LutherBurbank's birthday, reference to holidays in February, but no holidays
>     now;reference to Girl Scout Week being next [removed] have any insights on
>     this?

    While I only glanced at it briefly, I believe Fibber McGee and Molly did more
    than
    four. A new book from Bear Manor Media about Fibber McGee and Molly
    covers this in detail and lists each and every appearance on the show. If I
    had
    a copy of the book, I would post an answer, but citing the book should anyone
    want to get a copy should prove beneficial for this any any other questions
    about Fibber McGee and Molly.
    Martin

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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:22:53 -0400
    From: "JEFFREY DAVIS" <JDavis3153@[removed];
    To: "OTR Roundtable" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Fibber McGee and Molly on Monitor
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    Andrew Steinberg asked about the dates of the monitor programs dealing with
    Luther Burbank's birthday and Girl Scout Week.  My source of information comes
    from "Fibber McGee's Closet: The Ultimate Log of Performances By Fibber McGee
    and Molly 1917 - 1987" written by Tom Price.  Mr. Price researched the actual
    bound scripts in Jim Jordan's personal collection to compile this extensive
    log.  Concerning the monitor segments Mr. Price writes:

    "Early into this segment of the log, the reader will note that script themes
    do not coincide with broadcast dates and seasonal events.  Script information
    is listed in the same order that the writers numbered and submitted their
    work.  This is also the same order in which the Jordans taped and shipped the
    shows to NBC, New York.  Broadcast dates from first to last are actual.  One
    can only guess that NBC producers aired the vignettes in a timely order".

    When I encoded these mp3's and placed them into circulation, I referred to Tom
    Price's log, used his titles and dates.  According to this log, the "Burbank -
    Girl Scouts" segments (a,b,c,d,e) were broadcast on 5-09-59.

    Hope this is helpful,

    Jeff Davis

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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:23:06 -0400
    From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: aural logos

    Thanks to Bob Cockrum for the heads-up on Stuart Elliott repeating in the New
    York Times the fable of the NBC chimes being a tribute to their owner General
    Electric Company.
    [removed]

    We have sent in a correction, telling them that after seven and five note
    sequences, the first 3-note sequence was C-A-F in 1931, and even that was
    several years after GE had to sell its share of NBC.  G-E-C was not used
    until late 1932, and GE was out of RCA by early 1929.  Once again I want to
    mention Michael Shoshani's NBC Chimes Museum at   [removed]
    where you can hear the oldest recordings of the chimes, and see some of the
    actual chime-set models used.  By the way, I now have a hi-fi color videotape
    of a Rangertone Chimes in operation and another audio recording of a mid-30s
    hand-struck chimes that will soon be added to the site.

    Michael Biel   mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:23:29 -0400
    From: seandd@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Eddie Carroll in Thousand Oaks for Pacific
     Broadcaster   Fundraiser
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    I imagine many on this list will be interested to know that Jack Benny
    impersonator Eddie Carroll is performing a fundraiser for the Pacific Pioneer
    Broadcasters on October [removed] below:

    [removed]

    Sean DoughertySeanDD@[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:23:53 -0400
    From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dr. IQ Candy Bar

    Last night I listened to my first episode of Dr. IQ. One gimmick of the show
    is that contestants who don't get the right answer get a box of Dr. IQ candy
    bars as a consolation prize. Does anybody remember these? They're a mix of
    chocolate, peanuts, nougat and caramel. Sounds a bit like Snickers, though if
    the ingredients ratio was different it might have tasted very different. Does
    anybody know or recall what a Dr. IQ Candy Bar was like?

    Cheers,
    Kermyt

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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:27:41 -0400
    From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Request
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    HELP! I have two requests, of broadcast dates on two programs"

    "That Hammer Guy"

    The episodes are "Jim Gordon" and "Zelda's Brother" (1953)

    and the other program is "The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes"

    the episodes are "The Blackmailer" and "The Yastley Case".

    Any broadcast dates on these cases would be a big help.  Even a site where
    this info can be found would help.

    Sincerely,

    Kenneth Clarke
    kclarke5@[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:27:50 -0400
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  10-4 births/deaths

    October 4th births

    10-04-1878 - Arthur Hopkins - Cleveland, OH - d. 3-22-1950
    producer: "Arthur Hopkins Presents"
    10-04-1880 - Homer Rodeheaver - Union Furnace, OH - d. 12-18-1955
    singer/composer: "Come On. Let's Sing"
    10-04-1880 - Nora Bayes - Joliet, IL - d. 3-19-1928
    singer: "General Motors Family Party"
    10-04-1884 - Damon Runyon - Manhattan, KS - d. 12-10-1946
    short story writer: "Good News of 1940"; "Damon Runyon Theatre"
    10-04-1892 - Kathryn Card - Butte, MT - d. 3-1-1964
    actor: Grandmother Barton "The Bartons"; Mrs. Wiggins "Uncle Walter's
    Dog House"
    10-04-1893 - Reverend Walter A. Maier - Boston, MA - d. 1-11-1950
    preacher: "Lutheran Hour"
    10-04-1894 - Cliff Hall - Brooklyn, NY - d. 10-6-1972
    comedian: Sharlie "Baron and the Bee, Jack Pearl Show"
    10-04-1895 - Buster Keaton - Piqua, KS - d. 2-1-1966
    comedian: "Shell Chateau"; "Voices from the Hollywood Past"
    10-04-1895 - Lea Penman - Red Cloud, MN - d. 10-12-1962
    actor: Alice Aldrich "The Aldrich Family"
    10-04-1897 - Frederick Chase Taylor - Buffalo, NY - d. 5-29-1950
    comedian: Lemuel Q. Stoopnagel "Duffy's Tavern, Quixie Doodles,
    Stoopnagel and Budd"
    10-04-1900 - Robert Shayne - Yonkers, NY - d. 11-29-1992
    actor: Walter Manning "Portia Faces Life"
    10-04-1903 - Marcus Duffield - d. 1-11-1973
    columnist: "Information Please"
    10-04-1905 - Ruth Lyons - Cincinnati, OH - d. 11-7-1988
    talk show host: "50-50 Club"
    10-04-1908 - Patricia Calvert - London, England
    actor: "Just Plain Bill"; "Our Gal Sunday"
    10-04-1909 - James Webb - Denver, CA - d. 9-27-1974
    screenwriter: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-04-1910 - James Doyle - St. Paul, MN - d. 7-1-1980
    announcer: "The Great Gildersleeve"; "Rogue's Gallery"
    10-04-1910 - Stanley Farrar - d. 4-5-1974
    actor: (Brother of Danny Thomas) Melvyn Foster "A Date with Judy"
    10-04-1914 - John Larch - Salem, MA - d. 10-20-2005
    actor: (Married to Vivi Janiss) Rocky Starr "Starr ofSpace"
    10-04-1916 - George Sidney - Long Island City, NY - d. 5-5-2002
    film musical director: "Shell Chateau"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-04-1916 - Jan Murray - The Bronx, NY - d. 7-2-2006
    emcee: "Songs for Sale"; "Meet Your Match"
    10-04-1916 - Lenore Kingston - Los Angeles, CA - d. 5-5-1993
    actor: Mercedes Colby "Don Winslow of the Navy"; Jane Daley "Affairs
    of Anthony"
    10-04-1924 - Charlton Heston - Evanston, IL - d. 4-5-2008
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Kaleidoscope"
    10-04-1925 - Francisco Aranzamendi - d. 10-xx-1983
    disk jockey: WAPA San Juan, Puerto Rico
    10-04-1929 - Scotty Beckett - Oakland, CA - d. 5-10-1968
    actor: Chester A. Riley, Jr. "Life of Riley"
    10-04-1932 - Felicia Farr - Westchester County, NY
    actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"

    October 4th deaths

    01-08-1902 - Alexander Gray - Wrightvilles, PA - d. 10-4-1975
    baritone: "Chesterfield Quarter Hour"
    01-12-1911 - Lon Clark - Frost, MN - d. 10-4-1998
    actor: Nick Carter "Nick Carter, Master Detective"
    01-16-1917 - Buddy Lester - Chicago, IL - d. 10-4-2002
    comedian: (Brother of Jerry Lester) "Connee Boswell Show"
    02-06-1916 - Violet Koehler - Wilton, WI - d. 10-4-1973
    guitar: (Coon Creek Girls) "WLS National Barn Dance"
    02-22-1900 - Stuart V. Dawson - Springfield, IL - d. 10-4-1958
    announcer: "Backstage Wife"
    03-10-1900 - Sherman Billingsley - Enid, Oklahoma Territory - d.
    10-4-1966
    owner stork club: "Bing Crosby Show"
    04-02-1913 - Fran Carlon - Indianapolis, IN - d. 10-4-1993
    actor: Lorelei Kilbourne "Big Town"; Bunny Mitchell "Story of Mary
    Marlin"
    05-22-1891 - Parks Johnson - Sheffield, AL - d. 10-4-1970
    emcee, interviewer: "Vox Pox"
    05-31-1893 - Albert Mitchell - Elsberry, MO - d. 10-4-1954
    host: "Answer Man"
    06-06-1918 - William Cayton - Chevy Chase, MD - d. 10-4-2003
    copywriter: Radio and Television Packagers, Inc.
    06-13-1894 - Tay Garnett - Los Angeles, CA - d. 10-4-1977
    film director: "Three Sheets to the Wind"; "Screen Director's Playhouse"
    09-02-1904 - Set Svanholm - Vasteras, Sweden - d. 10-4-1964
    tenor: "Drene Time"
    09-04-1913 - Jan Savitt - Petrograd, Russia - d. 10-4-1948
    bandleader: "Fitch Bandwagon"; "Rhapsody in Rhythm"
    10-14-1922 - Claire Niesen - Phoenix, AZ - d. 10-4-1963
    actor: "Mary Noble "Backstage Wife"; Peggy O'Neill "The O'Neills"
    11-05-1919 - Earl Bennett - Kansas City, KS - d. 10-4-2007
    musician, comedian: Sir Fredrick Gas "Spike Jones and His City Slickers"
    11-10-1912 - John L. Greene - Buffalo, NY - d. 10-4-1995
    writer: "Texaco Star Theatre"
    11-19-1890 - Charme Allen - Dayton, OH - d. 10-4-1980
    actor: Aunt Polly "David Harum"; Ma Owen "Into the Light"
    11-30-1900 - Geoffrey Household - Briston, England - d. 10-4-1988
    writer: "NBC Presents: Short Story"
    12-30-1873 - Al Smith - NYC - d. 10-4-1944
    governor: "Information Please"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:28:17 -0400
    From: "Arthur Funk" <Art-Funk@[removed];
    To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Home Recordings
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    Someone posted the following on a historical memorabilia discussion board to
    which I subscribe.  Does this ring a bell with anyone?

    I have just inherited a huge library of home recordings from the early 1940's
    that include such things as speeches by FDR and Truman, news programs, musical
    programs, etc. These were recorded on a home recorder that produced 7 inch
    discs that seem to be a combination of record and cardboard-like material. In
    the time frame that these were recorded, there were very few people who owned
    home recording devices. Some of these speeches and things are probably very
    rare. I can't find out any information about something like this, or even what
    they would be called. Has anyone heard of recordings like this?

    I'm thinking that this could be right up the alley of someone on the OTR
    Digest.

    Regards to all,
    Art Funk

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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:28:52 -0400
    From: Ben Ohmart <benohmart@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  audio books from BearManor Media

    Hi, all. Remember way back when, I said we were going to offer audio books at
    BearManor Media? Well, the day is coming sooner than later. We're on the
    verge of putting a few select titles on the site for sale. Already recorded
    are Al Lerner and Janet Gari (Eddie Cantor's daughter). And now various
    authors are working on recording It's That Time Again, Son of Harpo, and
    Peggy Ann Garner. I'd be Pleased to hear what you'd like us to start with.
    All feedback appreciated since recording audio books for cd is an expensive,
    lengthy process. We won't be able to do all titles at once, or even in the
    first couple years. So speak up!

    On a side note, it looks like my new Alan Reed book will Not be ready for the
    Newark convention which my wife and I are attending. I still have to do the
    index, in the midst of packing for an early Nov. move! But! Everyone will
    easily have their AR books before Thanksgiving, I should say. So hold on.

    And again, thanks to you all for your support, and thanks for reading books.

    Ben Ohmart

    Old radio. Old movies. New books.
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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:29:58 -0400
    From: FabFicBks@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Oxydol and other radio era brands

    Jim Cox noted and was startled by the appearance of  Oxydol from a company
    which is not Proctor & Gamble.  During the 1970s  I was a salesman for P&G
    selling their line of health and beauty aids and  then later their food
    division
    prodcts.  Things have changed considerably  since those days.

        I hate to break the news, but P&G has made  major changes in their
    company, including shedding many old brands.  They  bought the Gillette
    company, but
    since the turn of this century P&G has sold  off a great many product bands
    which should be very familiar to listeners of old  time radio, including Spic
    &
    Span, Pert, Prell Shampoo, Duncan Hines, Jif  peanut butter, Folgers Coffee,
    and even Crisco, one of the company's oldest  products, developed in 1911 and
    a brand which established P&G as a  major force in the food field.

        Corporations have to do what has to be done to stay  profitable, and
    considering how many millions of stockholders P&G has, all  demanding that
    dividends be paid every single quarter, even profitable brands  get dumped in
    an
    effort to focus on products which deliver a higher gross profit  on investment
    costs.  All of the products P&G has sold off were  successful for many years,
    and
    are still viable brands, otherwise they would not  have found buyers, but it
    is disheartening to see tradition flushed down the  drain.

        The fact that advertising for products such as  Oxydol and most other
    consumer products these days is limited and extremely  expensive was
    undoubtedly
    a major contributing factor to those decisions to sell  off the brands.  TV
    ads cost a fortune, even with the diversity of networks  and stations
    available
    these days, while magazine sales are down and the ad  costs for print
    advertising are also way up, and still rising despite the  decline in
    circulation for
    magazines and newspapers.  Until somebody  figures out an effective, cost
    efficient way to reach consumers these shifts are  going to continue.

        In the old days radio reached most everyone in the  country easily, and
    virtually every home received a daily newspaper.  With  that situation the
    cost
    of an impression per consumer of an ad message was  relatively low.  That's
    no longer true.  Millions of people use the  Internet, but there has been no
    really efficient way to turn the Internet into  positive ad response.  Until
    some solution is discovered we will see even  more consolidation and shifts in
    brands and companies, and I'm not sure this is  necessarily a good thing.

    ---Bob Jennings

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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:30:41 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Copyrighted sounds

    The NBC Chimes is the other. Though you are not allowed to copyright sounds,
    the copyright procedure for that was the three notes. Whether NBC goes after
    anyone using those same three notes in the same order I don't know, but I
    recall a joke in a Three Stooges short where, in prison, they drop the black
    balls they carry connected to their legs in chains and it makes the NBC
    Chimes.

    The sound of the creaking door can be questioned. While Himan Brown claims he
    owns the copyright to that sound, and reused it for the CBS RMT, what he did
    was submit a recording of the radio program and registered on the copyright
    form a note about the sound of the creaking door. What he really did was
    register the copyright for the episode itself, but rather than enforce
    ownership of the recording, he claims ownership of the creaking door sound
    and since that is what he noted on the copyright registration, he can (on a
    technicality) enforce that. Registered through the Library of Congress on
    February 17, 1949 under the name "The Creaking Door" not "Inner Sanctum
    Mystery" and submitted in the form of a sample radio program.

    Source for above: Book titled INNER SANCTUM MYSTERIES: BEHIND THE CREAKING
    DOOR, OTR Publishing, 2004

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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:32:27 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Straight Arrow
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    Frank McGurn asked:

>     I need some information about Straight Arrow. I have searched the internet,
>     and haven't found, a site that I can down load an episode of the program and
>     can verify the date of episodes I have . Some that I have aren't the best
>     quality so I want re-record a few. So is there a "Straight Arrow" Web site ??
>     I would appreciate any info.

    While there are a few places on-line that offer information, half of the info
    is wrong from what I compared to the original scripts. Even Dunning's
    reference guide once made an error about the program that was the complete
    opposite of what the show was about. Not sure of any places that offer the
    series in downloads but I do know the copyright registrations were renewed and
    have been enforced on one occassion.

    Bear Manor Media [removed] offers a book for sale all about the
    STRAIGHT ARROW program and from what I recal browsing through it some time
    ago, it is highly detailed, very well researched and will answer any questions
    you have about STRAIGHT ARROW.

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    Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:32:38 -0400
    From: "W. Harris" <nbcblue@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE: Copyright sounds
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>     From: ".dan." <ddunfee@[removed];

>     In an ad for Martin Grams book on Inner Sanctum is mention of something I
>     had heard before.  There were two sounds copyrighted, the squeking door and
>     another.  Does anyone know the other?  I assume it was from the otr era
>     also.

    The NBC Chimes was the first sound to become a registered service mark. They
    were registered with the [removed] Patent Office in 1950 on behalf of NBC by the
    New York law firm of Fish and Neave.

    Serial Number : 72-349496
    Type of Mark: SERVICE MARK
    Mark Drawing Code: (6) NO DRAWING

    Description of Mark: THE MARK COMPRISES A SEQUENCE OF CHIME-LIKE MUSICAL
    NOTES WHICH ARE IN THE KEY OF C AND SOUNDED THE NOTES G, E, C, THE
    'G' BEING THE ONE JUST BELOW MIDDLE C, THE 'E' THE
    ONE JUST ABOVE MIDDLE C, AND THE 'C' BEING MIDDLE C, THEREBY
    TO IDENTIFY APPLICANT'S BROADCAST SERVICE.

    Owner Name: NATIONAL BROADCASTING COMPANY, INC., THE
    Owner Address: 30 ROCKEFELLER PLAZA NEW YORK NEW YORK
                10112 CORPORATION DELAWARE

    [removed]

    Bill H.

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