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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 135
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Ray Poindexter                        [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      Question on Tarzan 1951 - 53          [ JayHick@[removed] ]
      Re: The LOC                           [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      4-30 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      RE: LOC tapes of OTR programs         [ "Stewart Wright" <stewwright@worldn ]
      LoC Recordings                        [ "Karl Schadow" <bluecar91@[removed] ]
      Mason Adams in Suspense?              [ JE Purvis <hqsouth@[removed]; ]
      This week in radio history 1-7 May    [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Mason Adams                           [ Lee Munsick <damyankeeinva@earthlin ]
      Re: Seduction: 3 Tales From the Inne  [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
      Re: Mason Adams                       [ Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:54:44 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Ray Poindexter

    Hi Everybody,

    does any one know if Ray Poindexter who wrote the book Golden Throat and
    Silver  Tong had a radio show collection?  Did he donated it to a college or
    another person?  He wrote to frank Bresee back in 1978 saying that he taped
    Frank,s radio interviews that was part of Steve,Allen,hosted NPR special on
    the Golden Days of radio.  Frank was like to locate a copy of his interview
    that was on radio.  They were   heard in Los Angeles on KUSC.  Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:55:09 -0400
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Question on Tarzan 1951 - 53

    I live in Australia and I have a question about the above series

    According to Tarzan on Radio historian Robert R. Barrett, 75 stand-alone 30
    min episodes of Tarzan Lord of the Jungle were produced. Using Jerry Haendiges
    logs it would appear that these were broadcast from 11th January 1951 (Tarzan
    and the Decoy) until 12th June 1952 (Tarzan and the Long Journey).
    Rebroadcasts of some of these eps appeared to have continued until Sept 1953.
    My problem
    is with episodes broadcast on 3th May 1951 and 6th March 1952. Jerry's logs
    list both episodes as being Tarzan and the Pirates of Bandeira. It appears
    that
    one particular episode titled Tarzan and the Hot Rod Kid was rebroadcast (?)
    on 14th March 1953 but it appears to have not been originally broadcast as
    part
    of the original 75 eps. Could this episode (ie Tarzan and the Hot Rod Kid)
    have been originally broadcast in either of the 3th May 1951 and 6th March
    1952
    slots (probably the latter) ?

    Also most logs list Rays of Death as another name for The Missing Element
    (25th April 1953) whilst others suggest that Rays of Death was another name
    for
    New Death (2nd May 1953)

    If these three eps actually equate to two different eps (Jerry's logs make no
    mention of an episode broadcast on 2nd May) then it would appear that there
    were 76 eps produced ? ....

    I'm thoroughly confused ....

    Can you help

    Regards

    Trevor Scott  <trevorbscott@[removed];

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    Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:58:11 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: The LOC

    On 4/30/05 6:18 AM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>         There must be what amounts to a treasure trove
>     worth of OTR programs there. It sure would be nice if
>     some OTR collectors could get some access to some of
>     these without having to deal with all of the red tape
>     involving copyright infringement and such.

    The law is the law, and if one wishes access to LOC holdings, one must
    follow the rules. It's possible for bona fide researchers to go to the
    Library and listen to materials in person, but getting personal copies is
    a matter of negotiating with the copyright owner and the donor of the
    material (who may not be the same individual.) The staff at the Recorded
    Sound Reference Center is very helpful in seeing to the paperwork end of
    things, and if one is simply getting a copy of a program for personal
    research, permission is generally granted. Rebroadcast rights are quite
    another matter, though -- whether any sort of public performance or
    commercial distribution of the material is allowed is entirely up to the
    owner of the programs. Some may be willing to allow broadcast use -- for
    a hefty fee -- and some may not.

    It's not inexpensive to get copies of LOC material. The lab fee for
    transferring programs was in the range of $90 an hour last time I did it
    -- and this is on top of whatever rights fees that might be assesed by
    the legal owner of the program if the recording is to be used for public
    performance.

    The LOC maintains an online database of its broadcast collections at
    [removed];id=webber&pass=webb1&OK=OK Collections held by the Library include --

    The NBC Collection, 1935-1986. 150,000 transcription discs and 1300 reels
    of tape covering a cross-section of all genres of programming. Very
    strong in news and actuality programming, but there is also a lot of
    entertainment material here, including most of Fred Allen's shows from
    1935-40 and 1945-49, and practically every important program aired from
    NBC-Hollywood after March of 1942. Paper documentation is *extensive*,
    including original logs of WEAF/WNBC/WRCA from 1925-1955 and of WJZ from
    1923-1941. There are also over 2500 reels of microfilm containing the NBC
    Master Books from 1922-1984, documenting everything that went out over
    the network during this period, along with an extensive collection of
    scripts produced by NBC Continuity, hundreds of thousands of press
    releases from 1924-1989, and the invaluable NBC Artist Record Card Files.
    If *any* performer appeared on *any* NBC program between 1930 and 1960,
    it is documented in the Artist Record Cards.

    The WOR Mutual Collection. "Several thousand" discs from the 1930s to the
    1950s representing WOR's contributions to MBS along with assorted local
    programming, along with WOR's paper files.

    The Office of War Information Collection -- 50,000 discs from 1942-45,
    containing programs relating in one way or another to the war effort.

    The AFRS Collection -- 300,000 discs, in both the twelve and sixteen inch
    formats from the beginning of AFRS to the 1990s.

    The Columbia University/Brander Matthews Dramatic Library Collection --
    Several hundred broadcasts of political speeches and actuality events
    from 1929-1937, probably the  outstanding surviving collection of such
    early news material.

    The C. P. MacGregor Collection -- Surviving masters and recording ledgers
    of the MacGregor and Ingram/MacGregor and Sollie/C. P. MacGregor
    syndication empire from 1931 thru the 1970s.

    The Andre Kostalanetz Collection -- Hundreds of broadcasts featuring this
    musical star from 1932-1960, many of them variety programs featuring
    other important artists.

    The Bob Hope Collection -- Hope Enterprises's archive of Hope's
    broadcasts dating back to 1938.

    The Goodman Ace Collection -- A near-complete, unedited run of "Easy
    Aces" broadcasts from February 1935 thru December 1937, along with edited
    1945-46 Ziv syndication reissue discs for programs from 1936-1941.

    The David Goldin Collection -- The disc archives of the founder of Radio
    Yesteryear, donated to the LOC in the 1980s. Very strong in WOR Mutual
    and NBC material.

    The Mary Margaret McBride Collection -- discs and tapes of broadcasts
    featuring this important pioneer of womens' radio from the 1930s to the
    1950s.

    The Raymond Swing Collection -- over 1200 broadcasts of news and
    commentary between 1938 and 1947.

    This just scratches the surface -- there are many smaller collections of
    material from  minor figures like Jack Arthur, a forgotten musical-comedy
    performer whose 1932-35 broadcasts over WOR are preserved by the Library.

    The second wing of LOC that maintains radio material is the Manuscript
    Division -- which holds scripts, both by means of contributions from
    artists and by means of copyright deposits. Among the high-profile radio
    materials available in this division are the scripts from the first ten
    years of "Amos 'n' Andy" and the complete run of "Sam and Henry," the
    complete works of Fred Allen from 1932-49, the complete works of Goodman
    Ace, and selected works by Carlton E. Morse. There's much, much more --
    enough so that if you're interested in tracking down script documentation
    of just about any important series, the LOC should be your first stop.

    The Library receives more than its share of snide "black hole" remarks
    from peevish OTR enthusiasts who can't understand why the LOC doesn't
    violate legally-binding agreements with donors by freely handing out
    restricted materials to whoever wants them. But for those who are serious
    about broadcasting history research, it is a vital, valuable resource.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:58:17 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  4-30 births/deaths

    April 30th births

    04-30-1870 - Franz Lehar - Romorn, Austria-Hungary - d. 10-24-1948
    operetta composer: "Railroad Hour"; "Showtime"
    04-30-1903 - Fulton Lewis, Jr. - Washington, [removed] - d. 8-21-1966
    commentator: "News and Comments"
    04-30-1909 - Bud Linn - Indianapolis, IN - d. 7-31-1968
    singer: (The King's Men) "Kraft Music Hall"; "Fibber McGee and Molly"
    04-30-1910 - Al Lewis - NYC
    director-writer: "Our Miss Brooks"
    04-30-1911 - Orin Tovrov - Boston, MA - d. 8-16-1980
    writer: "The Brighter Day"; "Ma Perkins"; "Manhattan Mother"
    04-30-1912 - Eve Arden - Mill Valley, CA - d. 11-12-1990
    actress: Connie Brooks "Our Miss Brooks"; Libby Collins "Lux Radio Theatre"
    04-30-1916 - Robert Shaw - Red Bluff, CA - d. 1-25-1999
    choral director: "Radio Hall of Fame"; "American School of the Air"
    04-30-1917 - Bea Wain - The Bronx, NY
    singer: (The Reverie Girl) "Your Hit Parade"; "Your All-Time Hit Parade"
    04-30-1919 - Jack Haskell - Akron, OH - d. 9-26-1998
    singer: "Dave Garroway Show"; "Music from the Heart of America"
    04-30-1925 - Corinne Calvert - Paris, France - d. 6-23-2001
    actress: "Martin and Lewis Show"
    04-30-1926 - Cloris Leachman - Des Moines, IA
    actress: Local radio as a teenager
    04-30-1926 - Lou Cioffi - d. 5-2-1998
    news reporter: "The Warning Bell"; "Big News of 1957/58"
    04-30-1948 - Perry King - Alliance, OH
    actor: Han Solo "Star Wars"

    April 30th deaths

    03-12-1888 - Hall Johnson - Athens, GA - d. 4-30-1970
    choral director: (Hall Johnson Choir) "Paducah Plantation"; "Show Boat"
    03-02-1918 - Elmira Roessler - St. Louis, MO - d. 4-30-1975
    actress, singer: Jennifer Davis "Backstage Wife"; Tweetsie Herringbone "Ma
    Perkins"
    04-20-1889 - Adolf Hitler - Braunau, Austria - d. 4-30-1945
    dictator: Propaganda broadcasts
    07-31-1900 - Elmo Roper - Hebron, NE - d. 4-30-1971
    pioneering polster: "America's Town Meeting of the Air"; "Word from the People"
    12-06-1900 - Agnes Moorehead - Clinton, MA - d. 4-30-1974
    actress: Margo Lane "The Shadow";  Marilly "Mayor of the Town"
    12-31-1908 - Jonah Jones - Louisville, KY - d. 4-30-2000
    jazz trumpeter: "Eddie Condon's Jazz Concert"; "Army Bandstand"; "Manhattan
    Melodies"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 11:03:49 -0400
    From: "Stewart Wright" <stewwright@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE:  LOC tapes of OTR programs

>     OTR Digest Volume 2005:  Issue 134:
>     Subject:  LOC tapes of OTR programs
>     Kenneth Clarke asked,e

>          I was just wondering about what OTR programs
>     are on file at the Library of Congress. Are copies
>     available to private citizens? Is there any way that
>     a private citizen can order copies of these programs
>     through the Library of Congress, or will we just have
>     to wait until they decide to offer them in a collection?

        Yes, copies can be obtained by private citizens, but it neither easy nor
    cheap.  See the information and Web links included in my post.

>          There must be what amounts to a treasure trove
>     worth of OTR programs there. It sure would be nice if
>     some OTR collectors could get some access to some of
>     these without having to deal with all of the red tape
>     involving copyright infringement and such.

        As the Copyright Office is part of the Library of Congress, you have to
    deal with copyright issues.  Libraries, including the Library of Congress,
    usually Do Not hold the Copyrights for Collections that they house.

        Also, if you can get shows from the Library of Congress, you may not
    make any commercial use of the recordings in whole or in part -- and you
    have
    to sign a contract to that effect in order to get access to the shows.
    Getting commercial permissions are a whole separate case.

>          If anyone has any information regarding the correct
>     procedure, costs, and any other info, I'd be interested
>     to know about them. Would it even be possible to find
>     out what programs they have in stock?

    Procedures:
        A few years ago, OTR Researcher and Author, Elizabeth McLeod, compiled a
    very thorough listing of the procedures you must go through to get shows
    from the Library of Congress.  You will find them at:
    [removed]#Answer34
    FAQ 34. I keep reading/hearing about the LOC hoarding a bunch of unreleased
    OTR episodes. Is this true? How can I get them?

    Library of Congress (LOC) Recorded Sound Reference Center:
    [removed]
        The Recorded Sound Reference Center provides access to the commercial
    and archival audio holdings of the Library of Congress. The collection dates
    from 1926 when Victor Records donated over 400 discs to the Library's Music
    Division to supplement its print and manuscript holdings. In the custody of
    the Motion Picture Broadcasting and Recorded Sound Division since 1978, the
    collection has grown to include nearly [removed] million items encompassing audio
    formats from cylinders to CDs.
        Radio broadcast transcriptions, making up approximately 30% of the
    collection, reflect the pioneering efforts of the early networks and
    preserve for posterity the reporting of such historic events as World War II
    and the space race, as well as news, talk, variety, and comedy shows.

    LOC Duplication Costs:
        T'ain't cheap, McGee.
    Obtaining Copies of Audio Materials From the LOC
    Audio Transfer Rates
    Effective April 1, 2002
    [removed]#TR1

        All audio copies are made in the Library's Recording Laboratory. Hourly
    rates are as follows.
     Standard Duplication Rate  $[removed]
     Rush Duplication Rate  $[removed]
     Minimum Charge: 30 minutes (with 15 minute increments thereafter)  $[removed]

    LOC Sound ONline Inventory and Catalog (SONIC):
    [removed];id=webber&pass=webb1&OK
    =OK
        You can search the Sound ONline Inventory and Catalog (SONIC) for
    searching a portion of the Library of Congress Audio Collection. This
    database is comprised of some 350,000 bibliographic records.  You will find
    information on:
     - Introduction
     - Where to Search
     - How to Search
     - SONIC Contents

        To conduct a search using SONIC, click on Radio Broadcasts.

    Collections in the Recorded Sound Section's SONIC database:
    [removed]

        The upshot is don't hold your breath on the shows from the Library of
    Congress or from the collections of any other research library making it
    into circulation within the OTR community.  Normally, libraries are not the
    copyright holder of the materials their collections. You must go through
    procedures that are very similar to those in the Library Of Congress FAQ
    that was prepared by Elizabeth.

    Signing off for now,

    Stewart Wright

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    Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 12:02:40 -0400
    From: "Karl Schadow" <bluecar91@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  LoC Recordings

    Kenneth Clarke had asked about the recordings at The Library of Congess
    (LoC). The Recorded Sound Reference Center has most of the recordings. Go to
    [removed] and click on Recorded Sound Catalogue (SONIC). Or
    click on NBC Radio Collection. One can then search their archives. You can
    also call the Center at 202-707-7833.

    If you are interested in obtaining a copy of a program you have to establish
    the copyright owner if there is one. Bryan and Jan at the Center can assist
    you with this. However, you must take the initiative and contact the
    copyright owner, request and obtain permission and then pay the LoC fees for
    copying the program. This process may take several weeks.

    This is a very short answer to a very complex question.

    Karl Schadow

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    Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:50:25 -0400
    From: JE Purvis <hqsouth@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Mason Adams in Suspense?

    Hi Gang --
    It was the 1962 Suspense episode "The Lost Ship"
    that really started my interest in OTR. While
    listening to it again, I though the main character sounded
    a lot like Mason Adams. Can anyone verify if that's him?
    Thanks for the help.
    Jerry Purvis

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    Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 15:51:11 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  This week in radio history 1-7 May

     From Those Were The Days --

    5/1

    1931 - Singer Kate Smith began her long and illustrious radio career
    with CBS on this, her birthday. The 22-year-old Smith started out with
    no sponsors and a paycheck of just $10 a week for the nationally
    broadcast daily program. However, within 30 days, her salary increased
    to a more respectable $1,500 a week.

    5/5

    1935 - The program, Rhythm at Eight, made its debut. The star of the
    show was 24-year-old Ethel Merman. Though Merman would become a legend
    years later, she didn't fare so well on radio. Her show was taken off
    the air after 13 weeks and Miss Merman returned to her first love,
    Broadway.

    5/6

    1937 - A student of history, a broadcaster or anyone interested in news
    coverage, will remember this day and the words of NBC's Herbert
    Morrison. "Oh, the humanity!" Morrison's emotion-filled historic
    broadcast of the explosion of the dirigible, Hindenburg at Lakehurst,
    NJ, became the first recorded coast-to-coast broadcast as it was carried
    on both the NBC Red and NBC Blue networks from New York City.

      Joe

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    Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:41:06 -0400
    From: Lee Munsick <damyankeeinva@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Mason Adams

    Well, here's another fine gent we've lost.  I hope readers will permit me
    another reach into my favorite recollections about radio folk.

    For years, probably like all of you, I heard the Smucker's Jam and Jelly
    commercials on the radio, and sometimes on TV, but of course never saw the
    person doing the voice-overs.  I always thought it was a very pleasant voice
    which emanated from a kind, sincere sounding person.  I didn't much care for
    the grammar in their slogan, but the personality and voice were just so nice!
    I had no idea who it was with that very distinctive voice.

    Before going further, I should explain that as a kid I somehow never got
    hooked on "Pepper Young" so was unfamiliar with those who played him.  John
    Dunning identifies three actors, as Curtis Arnall, Lawson Zerbe, and finally
    Mason Adams (from 1945 to 1959).  So I had no way to connect any voice with
    the show.   As an aside, was Lawson Zerbe any relation to Anthony Zerbe?
    IMDB says about Anthony Zerbe that he was a graduate of  "Erhard Seminars
    Training" otherwise known as "est".  So that's where "est" came from!

    Now back on course.  As a former newsman, I was interested in the premiere of
    "Lou Grant".  Especially to see how they would depict a newspaper office, a
    few of which I have haunted.  I was familiar, of course, with Ed Asner's Lou
    Grant character, and watched the first program carefully.  Not bad
    presentation, I thought, much better than the so-called television station of
    Asner's predecessor program.

    After Grant had been escorted around the office (and key cast members thus
    introduced to us), someone says that Mr. Hume (the managing editor) wanted to
    see him.  Asner walks through a door into a glassed-off office.  A man gets
    up from behind his desk and comes to meet him.  I thought, "there's a new
    face - nice looking man".  Then "Charlie Hume" said about 3 words and I
    jumped out of my chair:  "That's the Smucker's Man!!!"

    I fell in love with the man's personality, appearance, and of course his
    voice.  I was happy that he now had a major part and presumably would be
    making good money doing so.  And I was so happy that the show's producer or
    director had the sense to bring us face to face with Mason Adams.  I was also
    charmed and delighted with the person and performances of Nancy Marchand as
    the publisher.

    Some years later, Mr. Adams came to FOTR.  I sat next to him and we chatted
    quite amiably.  My earlier assumption about this kind, gentle man proved to
    be totally true.  He was all of that.  I told him my Smucker's story, and he
    gave a big laugh.  Somewhat wistfully he added, "Those jelly commercials were
    very good to me for a lot of years".

    Mason Adams was very good to us, sharing with us for years his talents and
    personality.  And himself.

    Lee Munsick

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    Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 04:07:10 -0400
    From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Seduction: 3 Tales From the Inner Sanctum

    I just wanted to thank Martin for taking us to the outer limits of all
    that INNER SANCTUM info!

    Best, Jim

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    Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 04:07:47 -0400
    From: Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Mason Adams

    About two or three years ago, I had the privilege of interviewing Mr.
    Adams. He was a guest at the FOTR Convention. He was extremely cordial and
    sat patiently as I asked him questions about his radio days.

    At the time I was more awed by the fact that he allowed me to do an
    interview. One of my first questions was "who did you start in radio" and I
    could tell by a look in his face that this was a question that I should
    have known and not had to ask, but he gave me a very detailed answer and
    never said a word about the quality of my questions.

    Months after the interview, I thought about all the questions I should have
    asked and hoped that I would get another chance to do a second interview.
    With the current news of his death, that chance will never come. I am very
    grateful for the 15 or 20 minutes that we spent talking.

    His was the voice that I recall in hearing on so many of the X Minus One
    radio shows. Not to mention Grand Central Station and so many other shows.

    Fred
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