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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2006 : Issue 363
A Part of the [removed]!
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Billy Idelson's Vic and Sade book? [ Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed]; ]
Hoagy Carmichael [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
Technology and OTR [ Rentingnow@[removed] ]
Fessenden again [ Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed]; ]
Jerry Ford/Guy Lombardo [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
Sid Raymond [ Alan Chapman <[removed]@verizon. ]
Clean Sweep (CBC) [ Alan Chapman <[removed]@verizon. ]
12-28 births/deaths [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
Ma's Larcenous Cousins [ Larry Maupin <mpn_lrry@[removed]; ]
Dale meets Roy? [ Stephen Davies <SDavies@[removed]; ]
OTR / Jack Benny in the News [ seandd@[removed] ]
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:39:39 -0500
From: Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Billy Idelson's Vic and Sade book?
Our daughter Karen has just finished reading Billy Idelson's book about
the Vic and Sade program,and she is befuddled by the fact that nowhere in
the book is Uncle Fletcher mentioned. Did Idelson perhaps not get along
with Clarence Hartzell?
Hartzell joined the cast in 1940, and Idelson didn't leave for military
duty until 1942. So they worked together for those two years, yet you
could read this book cover to cover and never know that there was a
character on the show named Uncle Fletcher. Nor are there any photos of
Uncle Fletcher, though there are several shots of Vic, Sade, and Rush
(and even one of Russell).
The cover photo is the one of the Vic, Sade, Uncle Fletcher, and Rush
standing in a line, but any reader not already familiar with the show
would be left to wonder who that fourth person on the cover is.
---Dan
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 17:40:43 -0500
From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Hoagy Carmichael
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I'm currently reading Lauren Bacall's autobiography where she mentions
that Hoagy Carmichael played the role of Cricket in her first picture with
Bogart, "To Have and Have Not". I remember seeing him sitting at the piano
playing as she slinks off screen. My questions are:
(1) Was he in any other films or radio programs?
(2) Was "To Have and Have Not" ever one of the programs re-broadcast on
radio programs such as "Lux Radio Theatre" or "Mercury Theatre on the Air"?
I know many others (such as "The Thin Man", "It's a Wonderful Life" and
"Manhattan Melodrama, among many) were.
Her autobiography is really quite good.
If I'm not mistaken, she and Bogart performed their famous scene from
"To Have and Have Not" on the "Jack Benny Show" at one time and it was even
performed in the cartoons at one time. Or am I mistaken?
Another OTR Fan,
Kenneth Clarke
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:47:08 -0500
From: Rentingnow@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Technology and OTR
Much has happened to propagate OTR but probably the most significant is the
MP3 format. It has enabled us to spread the "word" far and wide and cheaply.
My first real introduction to OTR and MP3s was through the binary groups and
through Bob Cooks CBSRMT. I downloaded all that he had using dial up no
less. Think of downloading over 1300 programs by that method!
In the binary groups there has been a lot of complaints about people
downloading and then selling on Ebay. I personally didn't find that it was a
bad
thing. If the goal is to keep the culture of OTR or any radio drama alive
then
downloading and selling is OK with me. It does that time to download and
organize and some may not want to spend that time. There sometimes is an
issue of
quality of recordings, but then quality is always an issue at Ebay.
This brings us to one other method of sharing but in a limited sense.
Skype. Now first I would like to preface that I knowingly have no money
invested
in Ebay which owns Skype. TIAA and NY State retirement may but I don't know
about that. What Skype does is enable us to make free phone calls, instant
messaging and, most importantly file transferring.
One of the problems with email attachments of files is that the files are
too large and they won't transfer them. But with Skype and program can be
transferred to an individual and length is not the issue. It might take a
while
but the transfer is easy. And Skype is free and there is no adware. And
besides if one wanted to talk with our Australian members of this group it
only
costs 2 cents by phone or nothing by computer to computer.
With this in mind someone on this group was looking for the BBC of "Right
Ho, Jeeves". I have that as well as a number of other Richard Briers
programs.
If that person would email me I'll give my Skype name and do the transfer.
Larry Moore
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:47:49 -0500
From: Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fessenden again
I forwarded Mr. King's note about Reginald Fessenden to James O'Neal,
author of the article in Radio World magazine, and I thought you would
like to read his reply:
Thanks for your e-mail and the forwarding of the additional material from
[removed] King.
Even though some of what he has supplied seems to offer evidence that the
claimed 1906 broadcast did not occur, I'm glad that Mr. King was able to
turn up the referenced 1930 newspaper story. While I did search a good
many newspapers, it would be a virtual impossibility to search every
paper published since Dec. 1906, especially since many have not been
placed into computerized data bases. Chris Sterling and Dona Halper have
reported finding a reference to a 1906 broadcast by Fessenden in a speech
given by a Westinghouse official in 1928. However, there were no
citations available for that speech.
Of interest too is that the 1930 reference cited by King was written in
connection with the anniversary of radio station KDKA (owned by
Westinghouse then). It would appear that either Westinghouse had more
information than has been made public, or perhaps that the 1906 Christmas
Eve broadcast had been circulated as an "inside story" at Westinghouse.
If you recall, Fessenden's Jan. 1932 letter was sent in reply to [removed]
Kintner, a Westinghouse VP at the time. Also, when Fessenden's NESCO
business partners Given and Walker liquidated the company, Fessenden's
patents were assigned to Westinghouse.
Again, I'm not saying and never said that Fessenden didn't or couldn't
have done what he said in his 1932 letter. It's just that there is really
no hard evidence to support the claim. (Believe me, I want to believe
that he did it - it's a great story and one that I've enjoyed relating to
others for the past 40 years or so.)
King says that Fessenden apparently got his sacred tunes mixed up and
additionally that, "My guess is that, later in life, he got his dates
confused."
Mr. King could be close to the truth here, although it is not possible to
prove it. By January of 1932, Fessenden had suffered both a stroke and a
heart attack. He was to suffer another heart attack within weeks after
writing the Kintner letter. While the conclusion can be drawn that his
body was failing him, we do not and can not know his mental state.
Seven years before, in the 1925 Radio News article Fessenden authored, he
gave the date for his first broadcasting attempts as 1907. As I
mentioned, this was also substantiated by the three newspaper articles in
Fessenden's own scrap book in the [removed] State Archives.
It's been said that it is extremely difficult, if not altogether
impossible to prove that something didn't happen in the distant past.
(All players and witnesses long gone.) On the other hand, it's relatively
easy to prove something did happen if there is a substantial body of
evidence.
There's no way that I nor anyone else can absolutely prove that the 1906
broadcasts didn't happen. Yet the only evidence that has surfaced so far
comes at least a couple of decades after the claimed event.
King's 1930 clipping and the speech reference discovered by Halper and
Sterling get us a bit closer than 1932, but again, I have to ask why,
when Fessenden had every opportunity to cement his place in history as
the world's first broadcaster, did he not do so until so until long after
the event had practically been forgotten about?
Again, thank you for forwarding the new material along to me.
(And I'm still waiting for that missing station log book, diary, or
reception report to surface!)
Have a very good 2007.
Best wishes,
James O'Neal
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:48:37 -0500
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Jerry Ford/Guy Lombardo
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I guess the newly deceased former president Gerald R. Ford would qualify as a
radio personality for inclusion on Professor Sayles's birthday almanac being
that during the 1960s, Ford and Senator Everett McKinley Dirksen hosted a
programme which pundits referred to as "The Ev and Jerry Show"--featuring the
GOP minority leaders of the Senate (Dirksen) and the House (Ford). Said show
had previously been the "The Ev and Charlie Show" when Congressman Charles
Halleck was the minority leader of the House.
I read about this years ago in a biography titled "Dirksen of Illinois." Do
these shows exist? What did these guys do on this show?
Happy New Year, Everybody!! Let's all watch "The Horn Blows at Midnight." I
cringe when folks refer to Dick Clark as "Mr. New Year's Eve," but, sadly,
there's a whole generation of younger folks who don't know from Guy Lombardo,
who once said that when he died, he was taking New Year's Eve with him.
I believed him.
Years in the ether!
Derek Tague
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:48:56 -0500
From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed];
To: Old-Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Sid Raymond
There was an obit in the newspaper recently for an actor named Sid
Raymond, who did a lot of cartoon voices (Baby Huey, Heckle and Jeckle,
et al) He died Dec 1st at the age of of 97. The AP obit claimed "....He
took over the role of Finnegan, the bartender, on the radio show
"Duffy's Tavern," in 1950."
Now, we all know that can't be right -- Finnegan was not the bartender.
Dunning makes no mention of Sid Raymond joining the Duffy's cast, and my
other OTR books are all packed away. Anyone care to check this out?
Was Raymond in Duffy's, and if so, what part did he play?
Many thanks ... and Happy New Year all!
--Alan
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 20:49:36 -0500
From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed];
To: Old-Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Clean Sweep (CBC)
At FOTR back in October, I picked up an MP3 of an excellent CBC mystery
series called "Clean Sweep" about a woman (Bonnie Marsden) who cleans
houses in Nova Scotia, and solves mysteries in the process It
broadcast in 1997 as part of CBC's Mystery Project. It is a 30-episodes
series; the MP3 I bought has episodes 1-15. Anyone know where I can buy
or trade for episodes 16-30?
I realize that this is tad off topic, as it's about New-time radio
rather than Old-time radio, but since I did find the show at FOTR,
Newark, I figure I can sneak this request in. Rather than burden the
the Digest, I'll take any answers off-line.
Again, many thanks, and Happy New Year.
-- Alan Chapman (alan@[removed])
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:31:37 -0500
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 12-28 births/deaths
December 28th births
12-28-1887 - Charles Dingle - Wabash, IN - d. 1-19-1956
actor: Employer "Meet the Dixons"
12-28-1890 - Frank Butler - Oxford, England - d. 6-10-1967
actor: Dave Arnold "Mr. Chameleon"
12-28-1896 - Rose Franken - Gainesville, TX - d. 6-22-1988
writer: "Claudia and David" based on her stories
12-28-1903 - Earl "Fatha" Hines - Duquesne, PA - d. 4-22-1983
bandleader: "Band Remotes"; "Chamber Music of Lower Basin Street"
12-28-1905 - Cliff Arquette - Toledo, OH - d. 9-23-1974
comedian, actor: Thaddeus Cornfelder, "Myrt and Marge"
12-28-1908 - Lew Ayres - Minneapolis, MN - d. 12-30-1996
actor: Dr. James Kildare "Dr. Kildare"
12-28-1909 - Olan Soule - La Harpe, IL - d. 2-1-1994
actor: Sam Ryder "Bachelor's Children"; Kermit Hubbard "Joan and Kermit"
12-28-1910 - Murray Burnett - d. 9-23-1997
writer: "True Detectives Mysteries"
12-28-1913 - Lou Jacobi - Toronto, Canada
actor: "Advs. in Judaism"; "Earplay"; "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
12-28-1914 - Lee Bowman - Cincinnati, OH - d. 12-25-1979
actor: Jonathan Kegg "Life in Your Hands"; George Cooper "My Favorite
Husband"
12-28-1915 - Dick Joy - Putnam, CT - d. 10-31-1991
announcer: "My Secret Ambition"; "The Saint"; "Advs of Sam Spade"
12-28-1923 - Andrew Duggan - Franklin, IN - d. 5-15-1988
actor: "Hollywood Radio Theatre"; "Voice of the Army"; "Top Secret"
12-28-1929 - Brian Redhead - Newcastle-upon-Tyne - d. 1-23-1994
presenter: "Today"; "A World in Edgeways"; "From Plato to Nato"
12-28-1931 - Martin Milner - Detroit, MI
actor: "Dragnet"
12-28-1932 - Pamela Duncan - Brooklyn, NY - d. 11-11-2005
actor: "Dangerous Assignment"
12-28-1935 - William Bassett - Evanston, IL
actor: "Empire of the Air"
December 28th deaths
01-06-1907 - Helen Kleeb - South Bend, WA - d. 12-28-2003
actor: Sarah Tuttle "Dr. Kate"; "Gunsmoke"
01-12-1925 - Don Atlas - d. 12-28-2005
sportscaster: KLOK San Jose, California
02-12-1927 - Bobby Winkler - Chicago, IL - d. 12-28-1989
actor: Newsboy "Big Town"
02-23-1904 - William L. Shirer - Chicago, IL - d. 12-28-1993
news analyst: "CBS European News"; "[removed] Shirer: News and Comments"
02-27-1892 - William Demarest - St. Paul, MN - d. 12-28-1983
actor: Mr. Cobb "Cobbs"; "Eddie Bracken Show"
03-30-1892 - Ethel Owen, Racine WI - d. 12-28-1990
actor: Siri Allen "Against the Storm"; Clara Noble "Backstage Wife"
05-03-1890 - Nick Dawson - Vineland, NJ - d. 12-28-1957
actor: "Dangerous Paradise"; "Follow the Man"
05-10-1888 - Max Steiner - Vienna, Austria - d. 12-28-1971
composer: "Lux Radio Theatre"
05-11-1895 - George Henninger - Binghamton, NY - d. 12-28-1953
musician: "Brenda Curtis"; "Ladies be Seated"; "Modern Romances"
06-22-1903 - Glenhall Taylor - d. 12-28-1997
producer, director: "Blondie"; "Sherlock Holmes"; "Dinah Shore Show";
"Ozzie and Harriett"
06-24-1893 - Arthur Hughes - Bloomington, IL - d. 12-28-1982
actor: Bill Davidson "Just Plain Bill"; Stephen Dallas "Stella Dallas"
08-27-1871 - Theodore Dreiser - Terre Haute, IN - d. 12-28-1945
writer: "The Heinz Magazine of the Air"
10-15-1918 - Harold Gast - d. 12-28-2003
writer: "Front Page Farrell"; "Real Stories from Real Life"
10-20-1935 - Jerry Orbach - NYC - d. 12-28-2004
actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
12-27-1898 - Hilda Vaughn - Baltimore, MD - d. 12-28-1957
actor: "Columbia Presents Corwin"
Ron Sayles
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Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 22:33:39 -0500
From: Larry Maupin <mpn_lrry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ma's Larcenous Cousins
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Jim Cox suggests Radio Spirits and SPERDVAC as possible sources of Ma Perkins
episodes dealing with Ma's crooked cousins. Although Radio Spirits does not
offer soap operas, SPERDVAC's library system has fourteen episodes of the
serial, nearly all of which feature the "cousins" plot.
Kathy, whose question opened the subject, might also try Internet dealer
Bookzap. I have a two-cd mp3 set from there presenting episodes from several
soap operas, including fifty-five of Ma Perkins. All but the last half-dozen
or so involve the larcenous relatives.
Kathy asked whether recordings of the conclusion of the cousins plot are
available. Not through SPERDVAC's tapes, and not on the disk I have. The
latter does contain a clue, however. In episode #4514 Ma and Shuffle and
others are still trying to thwart Cousin Sylvester's nefarious designs on
Fay. But the next episode on the disk, #4527, opens with the explicit
statement that the entire matter of the cousins has been resolved. If we can
trust that assertion, then at least we know where to look for the story
line's conclusion.
Larry Maupin
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 00:15:56 -0500
From: Stephen Davies <SDavies@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Dale meets Roy?
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The oft-married Roy Rogers guested on the Bergen & McCarthy show on
March 28, 1943, during the season when the oft-married Dale Evans was
the featured singer. In a few years, Rogers was widowed, and these
two began a happy partnership.
Is there any official word that they first met on this program? They
don't share the mic.
Stephen D
Calgary
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 10:17:12 -0500
From: seandd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR / Jack Benny in the News
Two Jack Benny movies are featured in a Los Angeles film festival (George Washington Slept Here and It's in the Bag). [removed] Fields also sees a revival in that town.
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Playbill Magazine's remembrance of lost theater stars for 2006 includes several actors with OTR connections, including George Balzer, Don Knotts, Shelly Winters, June Allyson, Jane Wyatt, and others.
[removed]
Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]
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