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Date: 7/29/2008 10:18 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2008 : Issue 185
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      The Fat Man                           [ "William Ronald Harker" <wrharker@d ]
      Australian version of The Fat Man     [ Art Brown <[removed]@[removed]; ]
      Empire State Building Crash           [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Re: OTR actors on the tube and scree  [ "Jan Bach" <janbach@[removed]; ]
      Van Doren                             [ Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed]; ]
      7-29 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      pabstette & frizz                     [ "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@sbcglob ]
      [removed] "the rest of the story"  [ herbop@[removed] ]
      OTR actors on TV ...                  [ "Bill Wilson" <[removed]@jacobsme ]
      The Fat Man                           [ "William Ronald Harker" <wrharker@d ]
      Hall of Fantasy - Organ and Kettle D  [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
      Himan Brown                           [ <vzeo0hfk@[removed]; ]
      OTR Digest                            [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Oh those in-jokes                     [ Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:38:27 -0400
    From: "William Ronald Harker" <wrharker@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Fat Man
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    >From "Dashiell Hammett's Lost Stories," "Hammett allowed the producers to
    feature his name in the show's credits and publicity.  For that he received
    a healthy weekly payment.  Many people assumed he wrote ar at least edited
    the scripts, but the only writing Hammett did for the show was signing his
    name on the paychecks."  (331)

    Bill Harker

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    Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:39:15 -0400
    From: Art Brown <[removed]@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Australian version of The Fat Man
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    The Fat Man was a 52 episode series that was broadcast on 2GB, a radio station
    out of Sydney, New South Wales in 1955.

    The National Film and Sound Archive of Australia states that the series was

    a compilation of episodes from radio serial 'The Fatman', produced in
    Australia,

    with the story set in US.

    No star is listed as playing Brad Runyon, however the cast list is a s
    [removed]

        Alan Herbert

        Carolyn Taylor

        Moira Redmond

        Marie Clarke

        Rick Hutton

        John Gaudry

        John Crane

        Sheila Sewell

        Joan Landor

        Gwen Friend

        Ken Fraser

        Margo Lee

        Ken Wayne

        Harp McGuire

        Owen Ainley

        Max Osbiston

        Joan Lord

        Brian Anderson

        Janette Craig

        Georgie Sterling

        Nigel Tasman Lovell

        Fifi Banvard

        Richard Meikle

        Kenneth Warren

        Madge Ryan

        Bob McDarra

        Stewart Ginn

        John Ewart

        Gordon Glenwright

        Ruth Winifred Cracknell

        Kevin Brennan

        Margaret Christensen

        Neva Carr Glyn

        Edward Howell

        Hans Farkash

        Ron Whelan

        Joe McCormick

    Sorry, but that's all that I can find out about the Australian version of The
    Fat Man.

    Best regards

    Art

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    Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:39:28 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Empire State Building Crash

    The NPR story on the Empire State Building Crash in July 1945 that I
    mentioned some time back was aired today on All Things Considered. If
    you didn't hear it, you can listen by clicking on the link below.

    [removed]

    Jim Widner

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    Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:39:39 -0400
    From: "Jan Bach" <janbach@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: OTR actors on the tube and screen

    Hello again -

    I couldn't agree with Joe Mackey more, about the looks of radio actors vs.
    their voices which so often are at odds with their appearance.
    Take, for example, Marvin Miller, who had one of the most beautiful
    announcing voices I ever heard, and versatile enough to narrate "Horton
    Hears a Who," do a children's album of tongue twisters, and read most of
    Edgar Allan Poe's well-known stories during the short lived "talking books"
    (on 16 rpm records) craze of the early fifties. But he often played the
    heavy in his few films, and even on TV's "The Millionaire," he looked more
    like he would be stealing the million dollars than giving it to a worthy
    recipient.
    Or the case of Richard LeGrande, who played mild-mannered Mr. Peavey on The
    Great Gildersleeve, but was much taller than Hal Peary, a fact no one even
    bothered to disguise in the three or four Gildy movies where he appeared.
    Then there was Jan Minor. She often played young, tall sophisticated women
    in radio plays, but became best known as Madge the manicurist: "you're
    soaking in it," and while attractive, was quite short.
    Lurene Tuttle had a great voice but a very rough complexion -- still, she
    did have her moment on the small screen in TV's "Life with Father" with
    another radio actor, Leon Ames, where she could flash her bright smile and
    regal bearing.
    How nice that radio existed for these actors, who could play virtually any
    role with their voices, but would have been hopelessly typecasted on the
    stage or in movies.

    Jan Bach

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    Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:40:14 -0400
    From: Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Van Doren

>     this piece is available only in the hard copy magazine.

    Actually, the 7/28 NEW YORKER Charles Van Doren article is online:

    [removed]

    Bhob @ [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:40:03 -0400
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  7-29 births/deaths

    July 29th births

    07-29-1869 - Booth Tarkington - Indianapolis, IN - d. 5-19-1946
    writer: "Maude and Cousin Bill"
    07-29-1876 - Maria Ouspenskaya - Tula, Russia - d. 12-3-1949
    actor: "Towards the Century of the Common Man"; "Treasury Star Parade"
    07-29-1877 - William Beebe - Brooklyn, NY - d. 6-4-1962
    author: "Information Please"
    07-29-1887 - Sigmund Romberg - Nagykanizsa, Austria-Hungary - d.
    11-9-1951
    composer, conductor: "An Evening with Romberg"; "Swift Hour"
    07-29-1888 - Niles Welch - Hartford, CT - d. 11-21-1976
    announcer: "The Campbell Playhouse"
    07-29-1892 - Horace Braham - London, England - d. 9-7-1955
    actor: Charles Lang "Wendy Warren and the News"; Ernest Benning "Big
    Sister"
    07-29-1892 - Lewis James - Dexter, MI - d. 2-19-1959
    vocalist: "The Mobiloil Concert"; "The Revelers Quartet"
    07-29-1892 - William Powell - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 3-5-1984
    actor: Father "My Mother's Husband"
    07-29-1894 - Kenneth Daigneau - d. 6-11-1948
    actor: Captain Silver "Sea Hound"
    07-29-1895 - Bill Corum - Speed, MO - d. 12-16-1958
    boxing color man: "Gillettes's Cavalcade of Sports"
    07-29-1896 - William Ford Manley - d. 7-10-1954
    writer: "Snow Village Sketches"
    07-29-1900 - Don Redman - Piedmont, WV - d. 11-30-1964
    bandleader: "Don Redman and His Orchestra"; "Chipso Radio Program"
    07-29-1900 - Owen Lattimore - Washington, DC - d. 5-31-1989
    consultant: "Pacific Story"
    07-29-1905 - Clara Bow - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-27-1965
    actor: (The It Girl) "Kay Parker in Hollywood"
    07-29-1906 - Thelma Todd - Lawrence, MA - d. 12-16-1935
    comedienne: Series with Zasu Pitts
    07-29-1909 - Bernard Mackey - d. 3-5-1980
    singer, guitarist: (Member of the Ink Spots) "The Four Ink Spots";
    "Let's Go Nightclubbing"
    07-29-1910 - Joseph Curtin - Cambridge, MA - d. 4-5-1979
    actor: Nick Charles "Advs. of the Thin Man"; John Perry "John's Other
    Wife"
    07-29-1910 - Sydney Roslow - d. 11-12-2002
    psychologist: "What Makes You Tick?"
    07-29-1911 - Florence Freeman - NYC - d. 4-25-2000
    actor: Ellen Brown "Young Widder Brown"; Wendy Warren "Wendy Warren
    and the News"
    07-29-1913 - Geraldine Kay - d. 9-25-2001
    actor: Barbara Palmer "Masquerade"; Kyle Ling "Lone Journey"
    07-29-1913 - Stephen McNally - NYC - d. 6-4-1994
    actor: "Ford Theatre"; "Screen Director's Playhouse"; "Lux Radio
    Theatre"
    07-29-1914 - Robert Haag - Illinois
    actor: Sheriff Mark Chase "Death Valley Days"
    07-29-1914 - "Professor" Irwin Corey - Brooklyn, NY
    actor: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
    07-29-1916 - Albert Lewin - NYC - d. 4-23-1996
    writer: "Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy"; "Eddie Cantor Show"
    07-29-1922 - Johnny Barricks - d. 12-3-2005
    disk jockey: WKAY Glasgow, Kentucky
    07-29-1924 - Lloyd Bochner - Toronto, Canada - d. 10-29-2005
    actor: "The Chase"; "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
    07-29-1924 - Robert Horton - Los Angeles, CA
    actor: "Suspense"
    07-29-1927 - Luther Sies - Westminster, MD
    author: "The Encyclopedia of American Radio 1920-1960"
    07-29-1938 - Peter Jennings - Toronto, Canada - d. 8-7-2005
    news broadcaster: "When Conventions Were Conventions"
    07-29-1949 - Tim James Archer - Lancaster, CA
    singer of radio commercials
    07-29-1950 - Bill Estes - Racine, WI - d. 4-13-2008
    regional manager of Wisconsin Public Radio's WHAD-FM

    July 29th deaths

    02-01-1906 - Hildegarde - Adell, WI - d. 7-29-2005
    singer, pianist: (The Dear that Made Milwaukee Famous) "Hildegard
    Program"
    03-01-1910 - David Niven - Kirriemuir, Scotland - d. 7-29-1983
    actor, panelist: "NBC Radio Theatre"; "Transatlantic Quiz"
    03-14-1919 - Luther Henderson - Kansas City, MO - d. 7-29-2003
    arranger: "Cue Magazine Salutes ASCAP"
    03-31-1933 - Anita Carter - Maces Springs, VA - d. 7-29-1999
    singer: (Carter Sisters) "Country Music Time"; "Grand Ole Opry"
    05-12-1936 - Tom Snyder - Milwaukee, WI - d. 7-29-2007
    talk show host: ABC Network
    06-09-1900 - Fred Waring - Tyrone, PA - d. 7-29-1984
    conductor: "Fred Waring and His Pennsylvanians"; "Pleasure Time/
    Victory Tunes"
    06-27-1927 - Peter Bayliss - Kingston-upon-Thames, England - d.
    7-29-2002
    actor: "A Trick to Catch the Old One"
    07-21-1910 - Carl Ravazza - Alameda, CA - d. 7-29-1968
    bandleader: "Carl Ravazza and His Orchestra"; "One Night Stand"
    07-31-1916 - Bill Todman - NYC - d. 7-29-1979
    producer, director, writer: "Treasury Salute"; "Winner Take All";
    "What's My Line"
    08-03-1918 - Les Elgart - New Haven, CT - d. 7-29-1995
    bandleader: "Let's Go to Town"; "Manhattan Melodies"
    08-06-1895 - Phil Boutelje - Phildelphia, PA - d. 7-29-1979
    arranger: Paul Whiteman Orchestra
    08-10-1921 - Marvin Zindler - Houston, TX - d. 7-29-2007
    disk jockey, spot news announcer: KATL-AM, Houston, Texas
    08-30-1896 - Raymond Massey - Toronto,  - d. 7-29-1983
    actor, host: "Doctor Fights"; "Harvest of Stars"
    08-31-1897 - Sidney Ellstrom - Chicago, IL - d. 7-29-1968
    actor: "Captain Midnight"; "Flying Patrol"; "Lights Out"
    10-13-1910 - Tex McCrary - Calvert, TX - d. 7-29-2003
    interviewer: "Hi Jinx"; "Tex & Jinx"
    12-02-1899 - John Barbirolli - London, England - d. 7-29-1970
    conductor: "New York Philharmonic"
    12-22-1889 - Anthony Caruso - Italy - d. 7-29-1973
    composer, clarinetist: WCAU and WIP Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:07:04 -0400
    From: "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  pabstette & frizz

    Ted's post on Pabstette prompts this question: What the heck was Frizz? How
    did it taste? It couldn't have been very good. If it had been any good at
    all we'd have something similar on the market today. Both Pabstette and
    Frizz were advertised on the Great Gildersleeve show. Frizz was something
    made by Kraft to which you added milk and sugar and put in the freezer to
    make your own ice cream. What was it made out of? Anybody remember sampling
    it?

    Mike Leannah
    Sheboygan, Wisconsin

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    Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:07:52 -0400
    From: herbop@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  [removed] "the rest of the story"
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    Bob Watson asked about an OTR product that "was discussed a few years
    ago in the [removed]"
    I think I found the posts he remembered at
    [removed]
    The last post was this one. Hope it helps.

    Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2002 4:25 am
    Post subject: RE: PABST-ETT mystery cheese product
    -- --------
    Well here is the skinny on [removed] December 31st,1923 Pabst
    Corporation acquired the business of the Sheboygan Beverage Company
    to continue the soft drink and Pablo [removed] no hope of
    Repeal,Gustav Pabst resigned as President on December 23,[removed]
    Pabst returned to the brewery as President to try saving the family
    [removed] December 1923,Fred sold his cheese division of Pabst Farms
    with assets chiefly in the form of bulk cheese inventory,to the Pabst
    [removed] cheese was produced at the Pabst Farms,but the
    brewery used the cellars to age [removed] salesman,trained in
    selling beer,found it difficult to readjust to sell the new
    [removed] the help of advertising and strong campaigns,the cheese
    business thrived during [removed] with 33 employees in
    1925,the brewery employed 176 by [removed] was sold in three
    forms,Pabst wonder process cheese,Pabst-ett and pasteurized package
    [removed] was the most [removed] 1930 over 8 million
    pounds of Pabs-ett had been [removed] Foods sued Pabst claiming
    Pabst had infringed on a Kraft patent for process [removed] won
    the case in [removed] two companies entered into a licensing agreement
    in which Pabst-ett,a product similar to Velveeta,continued to be
    produced in Wisconsin,but was sold through [removed] cheese operation
    was disbanded with the end of Prohibition in [removed] bought out
    the Pabst cheese operations,and Pabst started to get back in to the
    beer [removed] you have the rest of the [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:08:25 -0400
    From: "Bill Wilson" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR actors on TV ...

    My favorite has always been Harry Bartell.  I enjoy identifying Harry by
    voice in OTR programs like "Gunsmoke" and "Nero Wolfe," and then spotting him
    on television.  My favorites are his appearances on "Wild Wild West" (as
    Professor Nielsen, the ill-fated first victim of supervillain Dr. Loveless)
    and as the billiards expert that the Chief hires to teach Maxwell Smart how
    to play pool.  One of "Get Smart"'s most classic lines is when the Chief
    arrives to see how Max is progressing, and sees Harry bandaged in three
    places.  Max then tells him that his instructor is a little accident prone!

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    Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:08:32 -0400
    From: "William Ronald Harker" <wrharker@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Fat Man
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    >From "Dashiell Hammett:  Lost Stories."  Hammett allowed the producers to
    feature his name in the show's credits and publicity.  For that, he received
    a healthy weekly payment.  Many people assumed he wrote or at least edited
    the scripts, but the only writing Hammett did for the show as signing his
    name on paychecks."

    Bill Harker

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    Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:12:36 -0400
    From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hall of Fantasy - Organ and Kettle Drums

    Hi Gang -

    In issue 184, Travis  inquired about the Hall of Fantasy openings.  In the
    original programs,  which originated at WGN, Chicago, the opening music was
    played by Harold Turner  on the WGN Studio Pipe Organ.  Hal also provided the
    incidental music  throughout the program and the closing music.  I recorded some
    of these  programs off the air at the time of broadcast in the early 1950's.

    In or about 1965, I received a telephone call from Richard Thorne (a
    stage/professional name), the writer/producer/actor of the Hall of  Fantasy.  He
    asked me for copies of these programs so that he could  re-issue them for
    broadcast.   I presume he had other sources of  recordings as well, because the
    re-broadcasts were much better sound quality  than the ones I had recorded.  Also,
    my recordings had rather "sloppy"  beginnings due to my equipment, my youth,
    and my inexperience.

    Anyhow, he offered to pay me for the recordings, but I told him that  they
    belonged to him in the first place, and I sent him copies of what I  had.  A few
    years later the re-issued series came out with the Kettle Drums  opening.
    Except for the opening and closing, the programs sounded to me  the same as the
    original broadcasts.

    Of course, I cannot say with  authority that none of the programs were
    re-acted with the same or different  cast members on the "kettle drum" broadcasts,
    but it appears to me that  everything except the missing organ music was
    original.

    I don't know why the organ music was not used on some of the re-issued
    programs.  Perhaps it had to do with music broadcast rights at the  time.  I do
    know that the WGN Studio Pipe Organ still exists.  It was  physically moved and
    re-assembled at Bradley Place when WGN re-located  there.  It was not moved
    back to Tribune Tower when WGN radio moved  back.  It's still at Bradley Place
    (as far as I know).  I attended a  "concert" by Hal Turner some years ago.  The
    organ sounded great.

    By the way, the "Hangman's Rope" is my favorite Hall of  Fantasy episode.  I
    once played it for the neighborhood kids.  One of  the kids ran into the next
    room so that he could see the pictures on the  TV.  I told him there were no
    pictures.  He was not  disappointed.  He listened intently to the rest of the
    tape.  Later,  he asked me to play it again.

    Happy Taping --  Ken Piletic -  Streamwood, Illinois  and  Alma, Arkansas

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    Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:13:08 -0400
    From: <vzeo0hfk@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Himan Brown

    I did an interview of Hi Brown years ago when I was researching my book,
    WORDS AT WAR. He was a real pip. Bob Cockrum was right that he did not want
    to look back. I also remember that when I asked him a question about Norman
    Corwin, Brown responded, "Who's Norman Corwin?" I was shocked by the question
    until I realized that he was being sarcastic -- and revealing most likely a
    dash of jealousy.

    All that notwithstanding, Brown was one of the great creative and prolific
    forces in radio. He brought at least one excellent radio writer, Millard
    Lampell into radio, and he worked with a large number of excellent actors.

    Howard Blue

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    Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:13:14 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR Digest

    Bob Burchett's Old Time Radio Digest, issue #122, Summer of 2008 just arrived
    in the mail. Among the articles is part one of a reprint from a 1935 issue of
    Radio Guide titled "Amos 'n' Andy: Here They Are."

    OTR Digest
    10280 Gunpowder Road
    Florence, KY 41042

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    Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:39:19 -0400
    From: Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Oh those in-jokes

    In the first episode of "The Line Up" from 7/20/1950, the first criminal is
    named "John Meston"

    Meston, of course, would become the head writer of Gunsmoke. Mort Fine and
    David Friedkin, I bet, had lots of inside stuff in their scripts.

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