Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #344
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 9/3/2002 9:03 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 344
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  America First broadcasts              [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
  Fort Laramie                          [ "Chuck Case" <ccase3@[removed]; ]
  Leap Year and Marriage proposals      [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  Nightbeat, Radio Guide and Dunning    [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  I Love Adventure                      [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE      [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
  Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Re: Coke-Sponsered OTR Shows          [ elliot s ferber <otrcollector@juno. ]
  Holmes                                [ Bill Beard <wnbeard@[removed]; ]
  Re Top what?                          [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Wonder Woman on radio                 [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Brand/Generic names                   [ "welsa" <welsa@[removed]; ]
  Our Miss Brooks                       [ "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed] ]
  Peg Lynch shows                       [ "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@charter ]
  Major Bowe's Amateur Hr/ Singin Sam   [ SacChief@[removed] ]
  Trademark for "Windows"               [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Arthur Godfrey Time                   [ otrbuff@[removed] ]
  "Blasted Bugler"                      [ "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed] ]
  John & Marsha & Gunga Din?            [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
  MP3 and Tape Projects, Any help is a  [ gad4@[removed] ]
  sound FX and Suspense                 [ "Brad Stucky" <[removed]@[removed]; ]
  "Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!"             [ Derek Tague <derek@[removed]; ]

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:20:57 -0400
From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  America First broadcasts

I was wondering whether the broadcasts done by the America First
Committee in 1940 and 41 were syndicated or did they buy network time?

Eric Cooper

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:22:06 -0400
From: "Chuck Case" <ccase3@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Fort Laramie
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      I'm just getting into Old Time Radio as a hobby and I am truly impressed
that this mailing list has some of the stars of the era contributing to the
enjoyment of the hobby. I have just listened to Fort Larmie's first two shows
and I wanted to tell Mr Bartell ( Lieutenant Siberts) how much I really enjoy
this series.  I'm not much of a television western series fan but when you
listen to Old Time Radio westerns, its an entirely new expierence. Thank you
Mr Bartell and the many thousands of other radio stars for giving us this form
of entertainment that will last forever.
   Chuck Case
 ccase3@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:21:30 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Leap Year and Marriage proposals

Chris Dandrea wondered:

In the show [Gildersleeve] it was stated that a woman could ask a man for
his hand only in a leap [removed]
My question is how long was it a custom and about when did it stop?

Well, according to what I have read in the past, the whole thing began with
St. Patrick in Ireland in the 5th Century. At that time, the tradition was
always the man determined the marriage partner. According to lore, women
approached St. Patrick complaining that they had to wait so long for a man
to propose marriage to them. So St. Patrick declared that on February 29th
(which occurs only every four years), women could propose to men!

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:23:29 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Nightbeat, Radio Guide and Dunning

Question for the digest:

In his description on the radio series Nightbeat, John Dunning mentions a
publication called "Radio Life," which I assume is a magazine of the time
(1950). Can anyone fill me in on this publication and if copies are to be
found?

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:23:20 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  I Love Adventure

Jim Kitchen remarked:

I Love Adventure aired on ABC beginning with "The China Coast Incident"
on 4/25/48 and ending with "The Ricardo Santos Affair" on 7/18/48.  The
first six episodes have Jack and Reggie fighting international crime as
directed by the Twenty-One Old Men.  In episode 7, "But Grandma, What
Big Teeth You Have" Jack and Reggie reopen the A-1 Detective Agency
assisted by Mary Kay Jones, the cutest Secretary in Hollywood.   Doc
Long joins the team in episode #9, "The Girl in the Street" while Reggie
and Mary Kay are on special assignment.

There is a good reason why episode #7 featured Jack and Reggie reopening the
A-1 Detective Agency, the script "But Grandma, What Big Teeth You Have" was
the same script used for the audition/pilot episode for the program.  Many
radio programs recorded an audition for later playback, with the intention
of attracting and gaining a sponsor.  Many audition recordings never went
any further than the initial pilot, cause the producers were unable to
acquire a network or sponsor to carry the show.  Other pilots did make it to
a regular broadcast run and even some, like I Love Adventure, Crime Classics
and The Private Files of Rex Saunders would often use the script from the
pilot as an episode of the series - since most audition shows were never
broadcast for the listening public anyway.  Reusing these audition scripts
was quite [removed]

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:23:34 -0400
From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE

Here's this week's OTRN schedule which starts 9/1/02  in streaming audio 24/7
at:
[removed]

SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges
1. DR. CHRISTIAN  10/17/45    "The Attic Stairway Murder Mystery"
    with Jean Hersholt and Rosemary DeCamp.
2. THE ALDRICH FAMILY   11/16/52  "The Debate Team"  w/Bobby Ellis
3. CLARA, LU AND EM  -    [removed]  Audition show for first "Soap Opera"
    "Real Estate"  stars Louise Sharkey, Isabel Carothers and Helen King.
4. STRANGE ADVENTURE    [removed]   "The Borgia Ring"
5. GANGBUSTERS   12/29/45   "The King of the Big Thicket"

HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood
1. BURNS & ALLEN   BC   3/31/49    "The Cheapskate"  with special
    guest,  Jack Benny.
2. INTERVIEW - with Francis ("Mike") Nevins,  author of the new OTR book,
    The Sound of Detection - Ellery Queen's Adventures on Radio"
3. THE COLGATE SPORTS NEWSREEL with BILL STERN    NBC  #544
    04/07/50  with guest: Jack Carson.

Have a nice Holiday weekend -     Tom & Jerry

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:23:40 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history

  From Those Were The Days --

1931 - The radio show 15 Minutes with Bing Crosby debuted on CBS. The
singer became a super-hot property after the debut.

  Joe

--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:23:45 -0400
From: elliot s ferber <otrcollector@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Coke-Sponsered OTR Shows

Another Coke sponsored show was Coke Time starring Eddie Fisher in the
1950's

Elliot

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 13:24:16 -0400
From: Bill Beard <wnbeard@[removed];
To: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Holmes

In an episode of  SHERLOCK HOLMES,
Holmes tells Watson that the world is not all   "beer and skittles".

What the heck are skittles. ?
Bill Beard

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:45:19 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re Top what?

My Rebel friend Lee Munsick posted a nice tribute to Stan Freberg. He closed
with the following;

"His (Freberg's) descriptions for the NAB are a perfect exposition of the
benefits of radio and "Theater of the Mind".  Go top that, Mr. Television
director!

At the risk of sounding self absorbed, I have a question. Is Lee referring
to me? (Are there any other TV directors lurking?) If I'm correct in my
supposition that it's me he's referring [removed] What am I supposed to Top?

1) Freberg? Give me a break. No one can come close to his comic genius.

2) "Expositions of the benefits of radio and "theatre of the Mind"? Get
real!

3) Perhaps Johnny Reb Munsick is referring to my forthcoming book. Perhaps
he is goading me into attempting to be humorous like the great Stan Freberg.

Sorry! too late. The book is done and at the printers. (I can't go topping
anything even if I wanted to try.) Consequently, to coin a bunch of
platitudes.

"What you see is what you get."
"The proof is in the pudding".
"One picture is worth a thousand words."
"The pen is mightier than the sword".
"Fools rush in where angels fear to tread".
"Sex sells".

Love ya, Lee. Keep feeding me straight lines.

Regards

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:45:49 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Wonder Woman on radio

Jack French asked abotu Wonder Woman being on [removed]
If Wonder Woman was ever on the radio, I would have to assume it was a
commercially released LP that was being played over the air.

DC Comics released a few LPs that I know of, one was from the 1970s with
Christmas dramas like Superman in "Light Up The Tree, Mr. President" and
Wonder Woman in "The Prisoner of Christmas Island."

>From 1995-97, DC Comics released another LP entitled "Attack of the
Elementals" starring Batman, Superman, The Flash and Wonder Woman.

In the early 1980s, three 30-minute LPs were issued of "Justice League of
America", based on the animated series of the same name that was being aired
over TV.  Also known as Super Powers Team, the LPs featured "Battle at the
Earth's Core" "Darkside of the Moon" and "The Battle for Apokolips."  Each
LP featured Superman, Green Lantern, and Wonder Woman.

The only other Wonder Woman LPs I know of was two half-hour LPs, each
containing two, fifteen-minute episodes starring Wonder Woman, sans other
superhero characters.  Titles were Wonder Woman vs. The War God, Secret of
the Magic Tiara, The Return of Brunhilda, and Amazons from Space (as if this
last story line hadn't been covered many times before).

The LPs were audio dramas, commercially released but the actress to play in
them I am not sure who they were.  To the best of my knowledge, Gordon
Payton and a collector in Canada (whose name eludes my memory right now) has
copies of these for any interested parties.

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:45:57 -0400
From: "welsa" <welsa@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Brand/Generic names

Other brand names that have become the generic name for the product:
kleenex, jello, escalator, cube steak, aspirin (Actually, I don't think
Aspirin brand aspirin is even available anymore!), Frigidaire (at least in
many parts of the country) and many more, I'm sure.

Ted

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:46:09 -0400
From: "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Our Miss Brooks

One of my favorite OTR series is "Our Miss Brooks".  Unfortunately, there
are not a lot of the shows in circulation.  Does anyone know why there are
not more shows in circulation.

Roby McHone
Fairbanks Alaska

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:46:21 -0400
From: "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Peg Lynch shows

Hello anybody,

    I have several tapes of The Couple Next Door by Peg Lynch but I am
looking for more and am having a hard time locating them. Does anyone know
if there are many available? I can't find any Ethel and Albert tapes. Do any
exist? The few Couple Next Door shows I have are from 1958. Does anyone have
any information on where I can find these elusive tapes?
    Thanks.

    Mike Leannah

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Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:46:33 -0400
From: SacChief@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Major Bowe's Amateur Hr/ Singin Sam

I was looking at some old radio material the other day, and, for whatever
reason, happened to remember the old Major Bowes Amateur Hour, which later
became the Ted Mack Amateur Hour. Also got to thinking about 'Singin Sam-the
Barbarsol Man". Are there recordings of either of these shows available? TIA

           bob keldgord, sacamento

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:52:43 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Trademark for "Windows"

Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 16:48:22 -0400
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];

A sort of opposite case is the use of the trademark "Windows" (Windoze
to Mac users). In this case MicroSoft trademarked a term that was long
since in common parlance in reference to computer graphical interfaces;
there is some movement in legal circles to strip MicroSoft of its
trademark protection of that word. Couldn't happen to nicer guys.

Off the top of my head, I'd say that Microsoft probably has a valid
trademark.  This falls under the category of a common term which has
acquired a secondary meaning.  You don't have to make up a word in order
to have a trademark.  For example, "USA Today" consists of just common
words, but in that particular combination, it identifies a particular
newspaper, and they have the right to keep others from using it in
competition.  On the other hand, the USA cable network is able to use the
name "USA" for its network without infringing because it is a cable
network, not a newspaper, and is therefore not in the same market.

Some time ago, there was a Ford Galaxie, a Galaxy science fiction
magazine, and Galaxy cigarettes.  They were all valid trademarks within
their own markets and didn't infringe one another.

(As an aside, I once was at a science fiction convention, sitting next to
Frederik Pohl when he was editor of Galaxy magazine.  He lit up a
cigarette, and I remarked that I was surprised that he didn't smoke
Galaxy cigarettes.  He said he tried them, but he didn't like them.)

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:52:53 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history

  From Those Were The Days --

1954 - The Lone Ranger was heard on radio for the final time after 2,956
episodes spanning 21 years.

  Joe

--
Visit my home page:
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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:53:04 -0400
From: otrbuff@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Arthur Godfrey Time

Not sure what Joe Mackey's source is for his calendared informative
tidbits but I'm surprised that his listing for Arthur Godfrey's birthday
simply mentions "Arthur Godfrey's Talent Scouts, Arthur Godfrey and
Friends, Lipton Tea commercials" as his contributions to the world of
entertainment.  Those two shows account for one-and-a-half hours of
airtime weekly (two-thirds of it exclusively on TV, the remainder
simulcast).  To the original source (not Joe), was his weekly
seven-and-a-half hours of Arthur Godfrey Time non-qualifying?  Maybe it
was "only radio" and doesn't matter.  So why no accolades for the "Two
Fat Polka," Glasswax, Nabisco and Chesterfields?  The old redhead had
strong identities with all of the above.

Jim Cox

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:53:33 -0400
From: "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  "Blasted Bugler"

<<John Mayer asked about the "Blasted Bugler"...>>

I have a tape of that novelty record, it's very funny.
The galloping hoofbeats of the Bugler's horse sound just
like The Lone Ranger's "Silver" hoofbeats.  It goes on
and on with the blasts of the guns and the determined bugle calls of the
charging bugler on horseback.  All the while, you think there is no way that
bugler could ever make it through the fusillade of blasts.  Even the ending
is unexpected!

Russ Butler  oldradio@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:54:25 -0400
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  John & Marsha & Gunga Din?

John Mayer pointed out that the humor device of Stan Freberg's "John &
Marsha" recording was the constant repetition of those two words, with
slight change in the tone of voice each time.  Repetition is an historic
comedy device, as in all those wonderful gags on the Jack Benny programs,
the classic humor of Laurel & Hardy, and the not-so-classic shtick of The
Three Stooges.

For those who have seen "Mr. Hulot's Holiday", they will recall the sound
of the squeaking screen door which although unchanged, takes the viewer
from annoyance to amusement to outright guffaws.  Jacques Tati was every
bit as good as wringing humor out of repetition as Freberg and Jack
Benny.  For those who are in the dark about Tati, M. Hulot, film or "Mon
Oncle", I recommend them both!

Mr. Mayer took note of the humor that he saw in the climactic scene of
"Gunga Din", when Din kept blowing his bugle to alert the rescuing British
troops, despite being riddled by gunfire from the deranged thuggee.  Din
was played by Sam (actual name Shalom) Jaffe, who had a marvelous 50-year
career in the films ranging from the brown-skinned Din in the Kipling tale,
to an Einstein type complete with wild hair, in the sci fi classic "The Day
the Earth Stood Still".

Perhaps John Mayer's finding humor in the extended bugle-playing had him
reminiscing about the now-ancient "Okeh Laughing Record" which has been
re-issued over the years.  This has a trumpeter trying to play a serious
lament while some listeners start giggling, and then laughing out
loud.  The trumpeter can't sustain the horn, and collapses into laughter
himself, as would anyone else listening.  I have no idea how many dozens of
times I've heard the recording, but I descend into laughter every time.

Lee Munsick
That laughing Virginian

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 15:54:53 -0400
From: gad4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  MP3 and Tape Projects, Any help is
 appreciated.

The kindness of the people in the otr hobby, combined with the ease of new
technology, has allowed many of us to enjoy bigger collections than we ever
dreamt possible.

Im working on a couple projects which Im hoping the folks at the digest can
help me.

1. MP3 List

I estimate that apx. 70,000 shows have been encoded to the mp3 format. At
this point, there is no definate list of what has been done. A list can help
people know what is out there currently. It would also be helpful to prevent
others from duplicating work when they could in fact be getting new material
out there.

To do this, I need to be aware of all the mp3s that have been encoded.  If
you have made any mp3s and have not shared them via groups, newsgroups to
the masses yet, please send me a list of them and I'll incorporate them into
the list. Once I get a preliminary list done, I'll share it so more can add
to it.

2.  Tape Collections

  The following sounds awkward, but I thought it would be wise to post it
here. In the past few months, I have heard of people parting with their tape
collections.  If someone has that on their mind, there may be programs in it
that have not yet been encoded to mp3 or can upgrade previous copies.  This
is one way a tape collection can live on and help many people. I would never
ask anyone to part with their collection, yet if this is something you're
considering or you know of someone who is, please contact me.

3. Tape Encoding

Even better, anyone who would like to convert their collection into mp3s or
would like to help others in that process, please contact me.

I know this is a lot on the plate at once, but any help is appreciated.
Thanks so much for your time.

Sincerely,
George

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:44:27 -0400
From: "Brad Stucky" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  sound FX and Suspense
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Since there's been a discussion recently concerning sound effects, here's a
possibly silly question:
I'd been listening to a slew of Suspence episodes from when the show was
sponsored by Roma (R-O-M-A, Roma) wines. A man says "Salut, Senor, to your
very good health," and then there's a strange noise. My wife argues that, by
context alone, the noise has to be clinking glasses. But surely even a
7-year-old could have clinked two glasses together and made a more realistic
noise. What I hear on these tapes sounds like--sorry about this--a peanut
being dropped into an overturned hubcap.
Can anyone enlighten me on this? I hasten to add I don't have a dreary life;
after hearing this sound a half-dozen times I just started to wonder.
Thanks,
Brad

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Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 18:08:16 -0400
From: Derek Tague <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  "Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!"

Hi Gang:

   An Afrikaner woman I work with insists that she heard the record in the
1950s as "John & MARTHA." Either she misremembered Stan Freberg's original, or
she was referring to somebody in South Africa doing a "cover"
version, & changing Marsha to Martha.
   Which reminds [removed]
   Back in 1996 upon the release of [removed]'s "...Presents the United States of
America, Volume 2,"  Stan was doing a phonehook-up interview on WFMU-FM in
[removed]  I had gotten through to ask some questions, & pointed out that
"John and Larry Gassman ...played your original 'John & Marsha' record all
during the [removed] Simpson trial [of the previous year, 1995] dedicating it to
Johnnie Cochran & Marcia Clark."
   Stan replied that some smaller stations across the [removed] picked up on this
ploy,  going so far to say that it was actually the opposing lawyers heard on
the recording, & being believed by some gullible listeners!
   Incidentally, when I brought up the Gassman Bros., Mr. Freberg rederred to
them as "very good friends" of his.
   Yay SPERDVAC!

Yours in the ether,

Derek Tague

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