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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 461


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 answers to trivia
	 KEEP commercials!  (a small rant)
	 Rochester, Fibber, Voices, Knives
	 My Intro, Finally
	 Dickens on OTR
	 News from News Radio
	 Nathan Stubblefield

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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 08:12:28 EST
From: TBARNETT@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: answers to trivia
Message-Id: <m0tSOJq-000YFzC@[removed]>

To: SMTP    --AHIPC2S

From:    Tom Barnett

Subject: answers to trivia

So, some more trivia.

Who always said, "Buzz me, Miz' Blue" ?
What teen always responded, "Coming, Mother" ?
What program promised to present "the music sung so clearly you can
understand all the words" ? (you never could, anyway)


I believe the answer to the first is Andrew H. Brown.

And the second is Henry Aldrich.

Not sure about the third.

Tom Barnett
EDS/VDTO Finance and Personnel Systems Support
(810)986-0389 (8-226) Internet:TBARNETT@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 10:06:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon H Chandler <dchandle@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: KEEP commercials!  (a small rant)
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Dick Veit said:

> As we all know, many OTR programs managed to work the sponsor's products right
> into the plot line--Lucky Strike Cigarettes, Johnson Wax Company, Maxwell
> House Coffee, countless others. And no reputable tape vendor would dream of
> selling such shows without these plugs intact. Fine; no controversy there.
> 
> But now for my pet OTR peeve. It bugs me no end when I purchase other programs
> (listed as "30 minutes" or "60 minutes") and discover that only the main,
> scripted material is included.

> commercials are part of OTR's magic. (This goes for sustaining promos and
> public service announcements, too.)

------and my response is:

But of course!  I can't believe this issue hasn't come up before, or that
there hasn't been any response in the day or two since it was posted.

As strictly a nice piece of nostalgic entertainment, a commercial from a
vintage radio program is an _essential_ part of the package, and I always
enjoy listening to the commercials.  Even (or especially) when they seem a
bit (unintentionally) goofy.

You wouldn't want to read a book if a chapter had been torn out, would you?

And what about the question of historical preservation?  I feel as
strongly about preserving OTR radio commercials and program integrity as I
do about movie colorization.  Why alter the original in ANY way?  

Let's think about this from the position of an historian.

Would a 1940's comic book without a cover "complete"?

Would a print of _Lawrence of Arabia_ without the musical segment from the
Intermission be "complete"?  (Or, more dramatically, would a print of
_Gone With the Wind_ without the title sequence, which so magnificently
sets the stage for the fall of the South be otherwise considered "complete"?)

Even if you skip over the annoying ads that comprise (or so it seems) the
majority of the magazine you're skimming, won't they lend some future
historian a clue about the target audience the publishers and advertisers
were trying to reach?  

There are a few programs in my own collection with "edited" commercials,
and I'm always trying to upgrade for complete copies;  and when trading, I
always, ALWAYS indicate if a program is incomplete.  (That includes "open
clipped," or "missing a part of end credits," or any other appropriate
annotation.)  

As for AFRS programs, shouldn't the same be the rule?  AFRS programs were
re-edited versions of stateside broadcasts (with the exception of original
AFRS programs), and I admit, we're all lucky that the ARFS preserved so
many programs for listening today.  But in my own list, I always indicate
whether a program is AFRS, and thus with commercials deleted or not, and I
hope other collectors do the same.  

(A related gripe is the practice of vendors who spread a program over two
sides of a tape.  This doesn't seem to be very common anymore, but when I
started collecting, it wasn't unusual to find a 30 minute program spread over
two sides of a 30 minute tape, with an annoying "gap" in the middle of the
program.)

Even tho I've been a bit melodramatic in my argument here, surely there
are other members of this list who agree?  

Keep the commercials!  Never, EVER edit programs!  Preserve program integrity!

Thanks for listening,

-dc

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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:31:04 -0500
From: RaLf Smith <rsmith@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Rochester, Fibber, Voices, Knives
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

New Topic-------------------

Rochester and blades. This reminds me of a funny bit (paraphrased from
memory): Rochester's talking about another
black man who carries a [straight] razor (we are apparently supposed to
believe this was common among blacks), and
Jack says, "But Rochester, you carry a razor, too" and Rocesher replies:
"Yeah, but it's a Gillette, and I'm out of blades!" [the Gillette being a
safety razor]. Good line and great delivery <g>

Semi New Topic---------

The earlier JB shows (1938-1943) mention Rochester's race more, altho almost
always respectfully (except perhaps the very earliest). The shows are worth
a listen. I remember a "Minstrel Show" episode (about as un-PC as it's
possible to get!!) where Rochester spent the money given to every cast
member for burnt cork (he didn't need it <g>) on a bottle of wine (it had a
cork, too). It's an interesting show just to see how the performers of the
40s (it was a '42 show) interpreted an entertainment form of the previous
century, and one which I don't know much about, but was popular. It was very
vaudeville-esque.

New Topic------------------

Fibber McGee and Molly and Teeny: the FMG&M show had a number of
vocalization "surprises" besides Molly. There was Bill Thompson (my favorite
man of a thousand voices) doing The Old-Timer AND Wallace Wimple AND Horatio
K. Boomer (a wonderful [removed] Fields impression), and Nick Depopolous, and (I
think) an Irish cop with an accent so outreageous that Fibber spoke an aside
to the audience to effect of "the Irish characters in this show are not to
be confused with the Abbey Players" which I assume was a high-brow "legit"
Irish theatre or troupe.

And then there's Buleauh (sp?). Marlin Hurt was not only a man, and white,
but had a skinny matinee-idol/Robert Taylor look about him (saw his picture
in "Heavenly Days"). So almost every time he first entered, you can hear the
audience howl since the vocalization was so at odds with his entire looks.


Whew, long-winded [removed]<g>

RaLf
- RaLf

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tHe DrOwNSoDa HoLe WeBPaGes: [removed]~[removed]

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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 15:31:05 -0500
From: RaLf Smith <rsmith@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: My Intro, Finally
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Well, I've been lurking for too long on this wonderful list. My name is
Ralph Smith, and I'm 32. I've been listening to OTR for about 10 years now,
and love most of the usual suspects (Jack Benny, FMG&M, Fred Allen). My main
interest is comedy, but after reading this group I ordered some I Love a
Mystery and I like it. I don't like westerns, but I gotta hear a Gunsmoke,
just to hear the overall quality and the effects that everyone raves about here.

A couple of differences between my experience and most others: I came to OTR
through bookstore-bought tapes. I've almost never been exposed to OTR on the
air, here in Albany, NY, and I was originally surprised there is so much of
it being broadcast. Though I'd miss the integrated commercials on the
comedies I like best.

Another difference is I like the early Jack Benny best, say 1938-1943,
written by Bill Morrow and Eddie Beloin. Those are my favorites moreso that
the era everyone else seem to like the best (1947-1955). I urge everyone who
hasen't listened to give these a try, they're kind of different, but very good.

Great list, even the arguments are [removed]

[removed]

RaLf
- RaLf

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tHe DrOwNSoDa HoLe WeBPaGes: [removed]~[removed]

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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 95 20:29:48 UT
From: "William Mize" <WilliamM_msp@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Dickens on OTR
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Greets -
   One of the many good things about OTR is the fact that one can just about 
satisfy any curiosity or hobby in the world in conjunction with OTR.  Me, 
personally, I'm a big fan of Charles Dickens.  SO - I've decided to combine my 
enjoyment of Dickens with my enjoyment of OTR.   Specifically, I'm looking for 
quality dramatizations of Dickens' work.  
   There are the traditionals (Oliver Twist, A Christmas Carol) and the not-so 
traditional (Mystery of Edwin Drood, Pickwick Papers).  If any one has 
favorites or recommendations, be ye dealer or collector, then I'd like to hear 
from you.  You can feel free to respond via the list (it's not as bad as the 
Tonto question :>) or at my email address listed above or my alternative email 
of WILLMIZE@[removed]
   I thank you in advance and have a happy Ho Ho Ho day.

   - Bill

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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 21:03:33 -0500
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: News from News Radio
Message-ID: <951220201141_95805964@[removed]>

The television show, "News Radio" (NBC, Tuesday 8:30 [removed]) inlcuded an OTR
joke in yesterday's episode.

One of the reporters, Matthew, was revealed to be an OTR-fan.  Of course, he
had to be the office nerd/wimp/loser, but just the same.

For his Christmas bonus his boss gave him a set of "Fibber McGee and Molly"
tapes which he spent the rest of the episode listening to on his headphones.
 He kept laughing and saying lines like "Don't open that closet McGee."  Then
he later revealed that he hadn't realized the following sound effect was all
of the things falling out of it.

He mentioned later that his real favorite was Jack Benny.

My girlfriend is now convinced the character is based on me.

Just a passing note from

Sean Dougherty
Kubelski@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 01:24:18 -0500 (EST)
From: JACKBENNY@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Nathan Stubblefield
Message-id: <01HZ1UGE6F269GW8HU@[removed]>

I think I'm missing some issues, but just in case no one responded to this
as yet, I think the stories I've heard of Nathan Stubblefield are great.
Apologies if some of the details are wrong;  I'm recalling this from one
of my college professors reading from a book (maybe the aforementioned on
Kentucky Radio!) to the class.

Nathan Stubblefield was a rather eccentric recluse who lived alone in a
shack in the wilds of (guess it was Kentucky).  At one point, a visitor was
handed a box and instructed to walk away from the house.  The friend did so,
and when he was out of sight of the house, he suddenly heard Stubblefield's
voice greeting him.  Confused, the friend began looking about to find how
Stubblefield had passed him and quietly hidden himself without calling 
attention to himself.  To his further confusion, the friend found nothing.  He
finally discerned that Stubblefield's voice was coming from the box.

Stubblefield made grand claims of being able to project voices through the
air, and light up an entire hillside by harnessing energy within the earth.
He tinkered in his shack, and visitors sometimes reported strange, greenish
lights emanating from the house.  However, this creative mind was silenced
one winter when Stubblefield was found frozen to death in his unheated shack.
Quite a demise for the man who could possibly have been the "father of radio."

--Laura Lee
International Jack Benny Fan Club

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