Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #110
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 3/10/2003 3:13 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2003 : Issue 110
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  M*A*S*H OTR References                [ Rick <sixshooter27us@[removed]; ]
  M*A*S*H OTR References                [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
  Re: 64 pieces of 8                    [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  $1,000 Bills                          [ Jimmyfuturity@[removed] ]
  Cornell Woolrich                      [ Kurt E Yount <blsmass@[removed]; ]
  Epitaphs                              [ "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed]; ]
  Re: Edited Lyrics                     [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  [removed] is NOT [removed]  [ gad4@[removed] ]
  Re: Whitman and Green                 [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Tantalizing Question                  [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
  Annie theme                           [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
  Ellery Queen's Minute Mysteries       [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  The Lamplighter                       [ "Hugh Rodgers" <hubear@[removed]; ]
  M*A*S*H and OTR                       [ "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@comc ]
  Re: TV shows refering to old time ra  [ "parker2" <parker2@[removed]; ]
  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE for  [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
  RE: SCOTCH / Shows most meant for ra  [ BryanH362@[removed] ]
  Re: Henry Morgan                      [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
  Nadine Connor                         [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  OTR ON TV                             [ dougdouglass@[removed] ]
  Wesrern Union Clocks                  [ "jay ranellucci" <otrfan@[removed]; ]

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:05:21 -0500
From: Rick <sixshooter27us@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  M*A*S*H OTR References

There was an episode when Father McKehigh(sp?) had to
put a trachea tube into a guys throat while getting
directions for the surgery over the radio. He used his
Tom Nicks pocket knife that he won on the radio as a
kid. When the padre got back, Hawkeye joked that all
the surgens would trade in there scalpels for Tom
Nicks pocket knives. Any one else remember that
episode?
Rick "sixshooter"

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:11:06 -0500
From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  M*A*S*H OTR References

Regarding OTR references in M*A*S*H: somewhere in
Dunning's encyclopedia he mentions that a variety show
circa 1950 featured a sultry vixen named Hotlips
Houlihan! I can't find any reference to that name in
the book's index, nor can I recall the name of the
series. But clearly there were strong OTR influences
on M*A*S*H from the get-go. (I presume Hotlips is in
the original book?)

Kermyt

PS. This is my first posting on this list--I've joined
only recently, and have very much enjoyed lurking
here. I was born after the OTR era, none of my friends
share my interest in this medium, and my parents have
only vague memories of radio, being of the first
television generation. So it's a delight to eavesdrop
on conversations between people who remember these
shows firsthand!

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:14:06 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: 64 pieces of 8

Spence Coleman posted

My long-held theory is that a person can tell the older generation from the
next one by observing which phrase he/she uses.
(1) Older:  "...the 64 dollar [removed]"
or
(2) Younger:  "the 64 thousand dollar [removed]"

[removed]'s what you get for generalizing. :) I used the $64,000
metaphor for two reasons.  (1) To factor in for inflation since the 40's,
and, (2) I try to use language or symbols that even the young pups will
understand.

Actually, I could have said the question was worth a "million" to be very
current, (but I had used up my three lifelines). Or I could have said 64
Indian Head Pennies and really dated myself.

Come to think of it, 64 Indian Head Pennies (in mint Condition) would
probably equal a Million.

You've already spilled the beans in your Archie book that you were indeed
around in the Forties.

No, actually. I was quite thin back then. (groan)

Actually, I spilled more than beans in my book. But as for the milk, I still
think that's a funny story.

And for those who keep forgetting to order said book, :),
here's the web address again.  [removed]

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:16:36 -0500
From: Jimmyfuturity@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  $1,000 Bills
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Pertaining to the description of one finding a thousand dollar bill on the
street in one of the OTR reviews, I have never seen a $1,000 bill unless a
printout in a book or in a coin shop.  Were $1,000 bills in common
circulation in the OTR days?  J. F

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 17:16:50 -0500
From: Kurt E Yount <blsmass@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cornell Woolrich

Now that we have that very complete list of Woolrich material, has anyone
thought of gathering together some of this mass of programs, say on MP3?
Or do you know where I could get some of the obscure stuff, and even some
of the Molle stuff if it is still available, which I doubt?  Kurt

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:03:44 -0500
From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Epitaphs

I remember Joe Penner's marker in Forest Lawn as showing  "Wanna buy a
duck?"

Lois Culver
KWLK Radio (Mutual) Longview, WA 1941-44
KFI Radio (NBC) Los Angeles CA 1945-47, 50-53
Widow of Howard Culver, actor

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:23:37 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Edited Lyrics

On 3/9/03 5:06 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

Guess the Kraft folks didn't want  to be accused of questioning
biblical truth.  I'm sure this happened from time to time. Any other
examples?

NBC Broadcast Standards strictly prohibited any derogatory references to
"the sacred writings of any faith," so this cut was pretty much
inevitable.

Another area in which song lyrics were occasionally edited was that of
drug references. For example, the original "I get no kick from cocaine"
line from Cole Porter's original lyric to "I Get A Kick Out Of You" was
routinely changed to "Some like a perfume from Spain" for broadcast
purposes during the 1930s, although there's a surviving Rudy Vallee
broadcast from 1933 in which the original drug reference remains intact.
"Cocaine" also remains in Ethel Merman's performance of the song in the
special 1935 broadcast marking the inauguration of WOR's 50kw
transmitter, suggesting that local censors were less squeamish about such
matters than those at the network level.

Incidentally, while cocaine may have been unacceptable to network censors
in the mid-thirties, marijuana references apparently were not. In a
surviving  Joe Penner "Baker's Broadcast" from 1934, Ozzie Nelson and his
Orchestra open the program with a torrid rendition of Cab Calloway's hit
tune "Reefer Man," complete with Ozzie himself on the vocal.

Elizabeth

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:25:01 -0500
From: gad4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  [removed] is NOT [removed]

Kurt has stated that

I have been many times to the site
[removed] and bought MP3s from him.

In case were confused (as I was at first also), this reference was to the
[removed] company and is in NO WAY connected with the
[removed] page that I run.

The oldtimeradioPROJECT is NOT a "for sale" list nor are programs sold via
it. Its intention is to offer a comprehenisive listing of all known mp3s in
circulation. It also offers a 24/7 chat service that has otr fans usually
talking. Its not intended as a business but as a public service. If you
havent looked at the page, I urge you to do so.

The site is still on its first draft and has apx. 75-90,000 radio mp3s
listed on it as a public service. In order to keep this "up to date" any
help locating missing mp3s is appreciated and needed.   As people continue
to add data, I can thereby put more time into updating it and adding features.

When I picked the domain name, I had no idea this other web page existed.

I apologize for taking everyone's time, but I wanted to state this in case
anyone else might have been read it quickly and got the two names confused.

Sincerely,
George

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:24:13 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Whitman and Green

On 3/9/03 5:06 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

Another Jubilee alum who was a regular on Amos 'n' Andy was comedian Ernie
Green. I know at least one of my Jubilee copies has a couple of routines
with Green and Whitman together. As I recall, Green played the crooked
lawyer, Stonewall.

This was something of a reunion of old colleagues -- during 1933, Whitman
and Green performed as regular cast members on "The Gibson Family,"
appearing in the comedy-relief roles of a pair of circus roustabouts (the
program was built around a continuing storyline set in a small-time tent
show, shamelessly ripping off the basic idea behind the Maxwell House
Show Boat series.) Whitman and Green were profiled in the fan press
during this period as "Network Radio's Only Colored Comedians."

Elizabeth

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:53:09 -0500
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Tantalizing Question

Thanks Andrew and Irene.  Irene guessed Reed Pollack and so did Don Frey
who privately e-mailed me.  The inscription was close but there is no "The"
in the headstone to which I alluded.  And the deceased is in Forest Lawn.

Andrew's guess of Rudy Vallee,  as are the others I have received
privately,  are great and I really want someone to be right.

I'll let it go on a couple of more days.  Remember, the grave has a name
and years of birth and death. The inscription is simply, "Golden Voice of
Radio."  It is found at Forest Lawn Memorial Park.  The person is well
described by the inscription but it did surprise me.

Dennis Crow

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:53:33 -0500
From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Annie theme

Does anyone have the sheet music or know where a copy might be obtained for
the theme song to Little Orphan Annie?

Joe Salerno
Video Works! Is it working for you?
PO Box 273405 - Houston TX 77277-3405 [removed]

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:44:33 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Ellery Queen's Minute Mysteries

Herb Harrison wrote:

I just remembered the "Ellery Queen Minute Mysteries" from way-back-when.
As a teenager, I enjoyed listening them on my AM (only) radio, although I
was frequently frustrated by the "solutions".
Does anybody know if any of these "showlets" are available for listening
online? I'd like to test myself to see if I'm a better detective now than I
was then!

ELLERY QUEEN'S MINUTE MYSTERIES was a syndicated pacakge of literally
hundreds of 60-second whodunits with which neither Fred Dannay or Manny Lee
(creators of EQ) had a thing to do with beyond endorsing the checks for
permitting the use of their creation.  Most of these vignettes are so silly
they've been reported to cause outbreaks of the giggles among the personnel
of the radio stations where they aired, but until the early 1980s when the
licenses to broadcast them were terminated, they could still be heard around
the country in odd moments of the broadcast day.

At 520 minute mysteries were produced and syndicated, issued on reel-to-reel
format, and produced by Creative Marketing and Communications Corp. in
Cincinnati, Ohio.  Up to four box sets were issued, each containing 129, 130
and/or 131 episodes each.  Originally issued in 7 1/2 ips. Mono (not
Stereo).
Set one was released in November 1965 with episodes 1 to 130.
Set two was released in April 1966 with episodes 131 to 259.
Set three was released in September 1966 with episodes 260 to 390.
Set four was released in February 1967 with episodes 391 to 520.

Bill Owen (same author team of Buxton and owen who wrote THE BIG BROADCAST,
1920-50) played the role of Ellery Queen in the mysteries.

Each episode did feature a title by the character of Ellery Queen, so it is
very easy to identify the title of each episode.  Sadly, however, it is not
very easy to label them by their episode numbers.  Occassionally these sets
pop up on eBay.  Last year someone had set three and four, originals,
auctioned off on eBay.  I dropped a line to the winning bidder to see if
they would be willing to jot down the titles in the order of their
appearance on the reels so we could have half an episode guide, but I got no
response.  If someone has all four sets (original syndication reels - not
copies on audio cassettes from a dealer) you would have the rare opportunity
to compile an actual episode guide with episode number and title.  I have a
couple audio cassettes I purchased from a dealer a year ago at the
Cincinnati OTR convention but not knowing what set they are from or if they
are even in their original order cannot be determined.  (Those living in
Cincinnati, don't bother - I already contacted the company that originated
those minute mysteries and they don't have any paper or recorded records of
the program in their archives.  That itself is a dead end.)

Material above reprinted from THE SOUND OF DETECTION: ELLERY QUEEN'S
ADVENTURES IN RADIO by Francis M. Nevins and Martin Grams, Jr.

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 23:46:41 -0500
From: "Hugh Rodgers" <hubear@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  The Lamplighter

I just came in possession of a book called Little Journeys with the
Lamplighter byJacob Tarshish It appears that he was on radio as the
lamplighter from 1926 to at least 1936? Possibly in the Chicago area? Does
anybody know anything about him?

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Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 23:46:47 -0500
From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  M*A*S*H and OTR

The references to old-time radio in M*A*S*H were a device that I believe was
carried over from the original 1970 Robert Altman film.  There's a scene in
the movie where Hawkeye and crew are broadcasting Major Burns and Hot Lips'
lovemaking session to the 4077th. Father Mulcahy wanders in and asks in
total innocence if they're listening to "The (Battling) Bickersons."

Ivan G. Shreve, Jr.

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:04:20 -0500
From: "parker2" <parker2@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: TV shows refering to old time radio/tv

If you listen to most of the hospital shows they will also (in the
background audio) Page Dr Howard, Dr Fine & dr Howard.(the three stooges, I
have also heard Dr Kildare paged, Dr Welby and many [removed] the patient
names on some list are old characters-- once was Lamont Cranston, Clark
Kent, Bruce Wayne-many of the writers are at a loss for names of mundane
characters and pull out old memories and see if anyone notices.

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:04:28 -0500
From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE for Week
 of:  03/08/03

Here's what's  on this week's lineup at the OTRN  24/7:
[removed]

SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges
1. THE MARRIAGE   11`/15/53   "Liz Fights for a Traffic Ticket"  starring:
Jessica Tandy and Hume Cronyn.
2. THE BOB HOPE SHOW   1/26/41   "X Marks the Spot"  with Bob's
guest star: Basil Rathbone.
3. THE ADVENTURES OF SHERLOCK HOLMES   2/18/46  starring:
Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce in  "The Campberwell Poisoners"
4. THE DAY OF THE TRIFFIDS    3/20/46   Last Chapter:
"Strategic Withdrawal"   Patrick Barr/Monica Gray/Gabriel Blunt.

HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood
1. TEXACO TOWN   CBS    1/1/37  with Eddie Cantor, Deanna Durbin and Jimmy
Wallington. Special Guest: Al Jolson.
2. THE GREEN HORNET    MBS   1939    with Al Hodge,  as The Hornet,  in
"Words and Music"
3. THE COLGATE SPORTS NEWSREEL with BILL STERN    NBC
Pgm. #571  10-13-50    Guest: Ann Sheridan.
4. BOB & RAY Extra

Enjoy -     Tom & Jerry.

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:05:11 -0500
From: BryanH362@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  RE:  SCOTCH / Shows most meant for radio
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 Derek Tague wrote to Harlan Zink:

As a First-Generation  Scots-American, I'd like to remind everybody that a
person from Scotland is  properly referred to as a  SCOT, or, adjectivally,
SCOTTISH--and not SCOTCH.  An American born person of Scottish heritage
should
be called a Scots-American, or Scottish-American.
SCOTCH is a drink, which I've never cared for--even when I was drinking.

Don't blame Harlan  Zink .  I have heard  many Americans proclaim that they
were Scotch -Irish .  Even folks in my own family. One line of the family
were protestant Scots living in Ireland. I suppose the correct term would be
Scot-Irish  rather than Scotch . However, if people so decended are using the
incorrect term  how do we expect those not of such decent to be using it
correctly?   And what about Scotch
tape? Have you talked to them?  :  )
Either way I do not refer to myself as a Scot -American . The Scotish part of
my ancestry came over in 1750 so I do not so closely  identify .

__________________________________________________________________

Its a matter of taste of course and certainly  we have all discussed which
shows were actually better on radio . Jack Benny is a show that is usually
listed as such.  Other  shows were better on Television . Also some TV  shows
like Batman utilized  visual gags with   " POW"  , " BAM  "   and  "CRASH"
and as such would be a style lost on radio.  . So I wonder which shows were
truly a radio creation and meant really for radio ?   Certainly aspects of
The Shadow and Inner Sanctum . A creaking door and an ominous voice are
certainly designed for the ear.   I am sure there are some programs that are
so meant for radio that when radio  "died"  so did that certain program type.
 Anyone have any examples?

-Bryan

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 09:05:31 -0500
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Henry Morgan

I have several hours of Henry Morgan Shows. Contact Satellite Media
Production at [removed] or call us at 800-747-0856. The quality of
these shows is excellent.

Fred

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:02:30 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Nadine Connor

I see that Nadine Connor died on the 1st of March at the age of 96 years. I
think that went unnoticed on this list. According to John Dunning she was
heard on such programs as The New Old Gold Show, Show Boat, The Railroad Hour
and The Vicks Open House.

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Make your day, listen to an Olde Tyme Radio Program

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:27:34 -0500
From: dougdouglass@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR ON TV

The Game Show Network will air the July 31, 1957 episode of "I've Got A
Secret" featuring, "Salute To Radio" this Sunday, March 16 at 5:20AM ET.

Guests include Arthur Tracy, Adele Ronson, Julie Stevens, Virginia
Payne, [removed] Kaltenborn, Jay Joston, John J. Anthony, Parker Fennelly and
Westbrook Van Voorhis, plus sound effects men, Orville Wright and Jerry
McCarthy.

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Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:53:11 -0500
From: "jay ranellucci" <otrfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Wesrern Union Clocks

In October of 1955 I was doing the 2 [removed] shortwave
newcast at AFRTS
in Hollywood when the Western Union clock gave me a fit.
As stated in
previous posts these clocks always reset  to the correct
time within 2
minutes before and 2 minutes after the hour. But what I
didn't know at the
time was when California switched back to standard time
from daylight
savings time how the clock would be set back one hour.
Well I found out
when I was on the air. Every minute, for 59  minutes the
clock would
reset to 2 [removed]  I had no idea when to end the 15 minute
news program.

Luckily I could turn off my mike open the booth door and tell
the engineer
to get the time from the phone company and to give me
hand signals
from the control room.

Needless to say I when was doing the show again in 1956
I did
remember to start the big Standard stop clock in the booth
at the start of
the newcast.
Jay

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