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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2008 : Issue 258
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: Green Hornet serials              [ Rodney Bowcock <pasttense_78@yahoo. ]
  eat your serial, kids                 [ Jody Davis <baroygis@[removed]; ]
  Grants Tomb from above                [ Rentingnow@[removed] ]
  11-6 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  AFRS Deletions                        [ "Paul Thompson" <beachcrows@sbcglob ]
  Gracie on NPR                         [ Karen Lerner <kareneflerner@[removed] ]
  Bob and [removed]                        [ Peter Boe <boe5650@[removed]; ]
  OTR Article in California             [ seandd@[removed] ]
  Green Hornet questions                [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
  11-7 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  WoTW script                           [ Paul Adomites <padomites@embarqmail ]

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:26:04 -0500
From: Rodney Bowcock <pasttense_78@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Green Hornet serials

It should be noted that these are not TV serials,  but are theatrical serials
released in 1939 and 1940.

Rodney

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:26:20 -0500
From: Jody Davis <baroygis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  eat your serial, kids
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Hi, all. Dominick Cancilla asks about other good serials to listen to. Great
timing, Dom. Lately, I've taken to downloading the 5-a-week versions of Yours
Truly, Johnny Dollar with Bob Bailey. Most of my YTJD listening over the years
has been to the stand-alone shows. But the 15-minute Mon-Fri versions are
often excellent, and at the least, quite good. Each episode leaves you wanting
more, as a good show should. Occasionally plot or dialogue drags a tad, but
the pace always picks up. Bailey does a masterful job in the role, and
supporting actors are top-notch. You can find all, or almost all, at
[removed] in the OTR section.

Oh, yeah. One more thing. Speed Gibson of the Int'l Secret Police always
cracked me up for some reason. It's a juvenile series and contains more corn
than a square mile of Nebraska real estate. But I bet it'll crack you up,
too.

Best,

Jody Davis
12008

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:27:43 -0500
From: Rentingnow@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Grants Tomb from above

<No one is buried in Grant's Tomb; people are entombed above  [removed];

Wikipedia, of course agrees. (Doesn't it with everyone?)

"A  riddle relating to Grant's Tomb, popularized by Groucho Marx on his game
show  You Bet Your Life, is "Who is buried in Grant's Tomb?" Though the proper
answer  is "nobody" - "Grant and his wife are entombed, not buried - "Groucho
would usually  accept just "Grant." Groucho would ask this question to
contestants
to ensure  that they won something on his show. It can also be a snide trick
question: When  the responder answers "Ulysses Grant," he can be termed wrong
for forgetting or  not knowing that Julia Grant is there also."

More interesting are the  comments,  however.

[removed]:Grant%27s_Tomb

The more  touching story about Grant is how Samuel Clements' (Mark Twain)
support of Grant  when he was finishing his autobiography while dying of
throat
cancer. But that  is another non OTR subject.

My wife thought their dog was buried ooops  entombed there.  But can't find a
quick reference to that. Maybe someone  wants to dig into that subject.

But on a syntax point:  Wouldn't  writing that someone is entombed in a tomb
sound a tad redundant if not  silly?  I will leave the answer to that to the
writers among us, which does  not include me.
Maybe the answer is in "Strunk and White"  but I don't  have my copy handy.

Larry Moore

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:27:51 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  11-6 births/deaths

November 6th births

11-06-1854 - John Philps Sousa - Washington, [removed] - d. 3-6-1932
composer of marches: "John Philip Sousa Speaks"
11-06-1886 - Gus Kahn - Koblenz, Germany - d. 10-8-1941
lyricist: "Good News of 1938"
11-06-1887 - Walter Johnson - Humboldt, KS - d. 12-10-1946
baseball great: Play-by-Play Washington Senators
11-06-1892 - Ole Olsen - Wabash, IN - d. 1-26-1963
comedian: (Olsen and Johnson); "Rudy Vallee Show"; "Breakfast Club"
11-06-1896 - Frank Readick - Seattle, WA - d. xx-xx-1965
actor: (Father of Bob) Knobby Walsh "Joe Palooka"; Shadow "The Shadow"
11-06-1899 - Francis Lederer - Prague, Czechoslovakia - d. 5-25-2000
actor: Guest Armchair detective: Ellery Queen
11-06-1901 - Juanita Hall - d. 2-28-1968
actor: "Story of Ruby Valentine"
11-06-1904 - Selena Royle - NYC - d. 4-23-1983
actor: Hilda Hope "Hilda Hope, [removed]"; Kathy Marsh "Portia Faces Life"
11-06-1905 - Isabel Carothers - Mt. Pleasant, IA - d. 1-8-1937
actor: Lu "Clara, Lu and Em"
11-06-1910 - Donald Dickson - Clairton, PA - d. 9-21-1972
singer: "Sealtest Party"; "Chase & Sanborn Hour"; "Blue Ribbon Town"
11-06-1916 - Ray Conniff - Attleboro, MA - d. 10-12-2002
arranger: Armed Forces Radio during World War II
11-06-1931 - Mike Nichols - Berlin, Germany
comedian: "Mike Nicholes and Elaine May"; "Monitor"
11-06-1935 - Judy Lewis - Venice, CA
actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
11-06-1943 - Berlie Doherty - Liverpool, England
writer: "The Drowned Village"
11-06-1951 - Paul (Hugh) Carter - The Hague, Netherlands
writer: "Memory As Desire"

November 6th deaths

03-11-1918 - Grace McTernan - d. 11-6-1995
soprano: "Your America"
04-14-1914 - John Hubbard - East Chicago, IN - d. 11-6-1988
actor: Willie Faye "Phil Harris/Alice Faye Show"
05-07-1840 - Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - St. Petersburg, Russis - d.
11-6-1893
composer: Many of his compositions were used as themes
05-19-1895 - Harry Saxe - Montreal, Canada - d. 11-6-1947
actor: Daddy Warbucks "Little Orphan Annie"; Dr. Burr "Mryt and Marge
07-17-1904 - John B. Hughes - d. 11-6-1989
news commentator: "Hughes Reel"
07-21-1883 - Cecil Humphreys - Cheltenham, England - d. 11-6-1947
actor: "Theatre Guild on the Air"
08-01-1911 - Fora Campbell - d. 11-6-1978
actor: Jean Forbes Lambert "Brave Tomorrow"; Janice King "Strange
Romance of Evelyn Winters"
08-15-1903 - Burke Bivens - Kirbyville, TX - d. 11-6-1967
saxophonist: Wayne King Orchestra
09-03-1925 - Hank Thompson - Waco, TX - d. 11-6-2007
singer/guitarist: "Hank Thompson and His Brazos Valley Boys"
11-17-1907 - L. Sprague de Camp - NYC - d. 11-6-2000
science fiction writer: "X-Minus One"; "Future Tense"
11-19-1863 - Billy Sunday - Ames, IA - d. 11-6-1935
preacher: "Back Home Hour"
11-20-1917 - Jim Hawthorne - Victor, CO - d. 11-6-2007
disk jockey: "The Hawthorne Thing"; "Hawthorne's Adventures"
11-20-1920 - Gene Tierney - Brooklyn, NY - d. 11-6-1991
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Great Scenes from Great Plays"; "[removed]
Steel Hour"
12-19-1902 - Mary Michael - Denver, CO - d. 11-6-1980
actor: Ma Fogart "Big Sister"; Mrs. Kelly "Stepmother"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:27:57 -0500
From: "Paul Thompson" <beachcrows@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  AFRS Deletions

George Wagner and Larry Jordan raised questions about my prior posting
that indicated AFRS commercials were deleted for morale purposes. This
is understandable especially since, as pointed out, commercial printed
media could be seen intact by the troops. I can only offer the logic
that since the AFRS did not control the production of other media but
did control the production of their broadcast transcriptions they
could do what they thought best for this particuliar media.

I would not normally make such a posting as I did based solely on a
single source of information, but for some time I have been hard
pressed to find any reason, short of personal opinion/and or logic,
truly attributed to the deletion of AFRS commercials with the
exception of Colonel Ed Kirbys narrative in his book "Star Spangled
Radio" that I cited in my original post. Since Ed was Chief of the War
Department's Radio Branch from 1941-45 and very much involved in all
things military radio I still feel comfortable with quoting his
reasons for the deletions. Ed's detailed book was published in 1948 so
his memory was unlikely to have been dimmed by the passage of time. In
1964 he repeated the deletions again citing morale in a lengthy paper
prepared for The Broadcast Pioneers History Project and The Hollywood
Communications Museum entitled "References and Recollections of
Historic Highlights, American Broadcasting in World War II".

Early in the war shortwave broadcasts to the troops did contain
commercials as aired but Kirby cites depressing food commercials heard
by survivors on Bataan who were going without as a factor in the
deletion decision. He also mentions that not a single objection was
raised by advertisers when the military requested that their programs
now be made available for overseas broadcasts without commercials. He
also mentions that many GI's complained that they missed the
commercials and wanted programs just as they heard them back home but
obviously the military prevailed because the commercials were deleted.

If there is another source of information on the subject that provides
some factual account I would be more than pleased to hear about it.
Until then, I have to accept this account as the most likely one.

Paul Thompson

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:28:06 -0500
From: Karen Lerner <kareneflerner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Gracie on NPR
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On my way home from work the other night, I heard a story on NPR about
Gracie's 1940 Presidential Campaign.  I don't think they did a particularly
good job of covering the subject, but if you're interested in hearing it you
can click on the link below:

[removed]

Karen Lerner
Radio Spirits

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:28:19 -0500
From: Peter Boe <boe5650@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Bob and [removed]

Hello all,

I have become absolutely infatuated with the old Bob and Ray programs,
and am wondering how many are still extant.  I have quite a number of
them - about [removed] Gb worth - taken mostly from [removed] and a few
from usenet sources.

If anyone knows anything about finding more, I would much appreciate
this info.

many thanks,
pjb/

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:28:37 -0500
From: seandd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR Article in California

The North County Times, a newspaper serving suburbs north of San Diego, Calif., publishes an article on old time radio featuring our Elizabeth McLeod and including websites for getting electronic copies of OTR for listening.

[removed]

Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:32:59 -0500
From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Green Hornet questions

I posted this last month, but apparently no one saw it. So I'm re-posting
here with some new questions below:

I was under the impression, based on what I've read in Dunning's _Tune in
Yesterday_ and _On the Air_, that the phrase "he hunts the biggest of all
game, public enemies that even the G-Men cannot reach" appeared in openings
of _The Green Hornet_ in 1939 only (and that it stopped because J. Edgar
Hoover protested, but that's another matter). However, I've heard the phrase
in episodes dated years later, including "Last Words Mean Sabotage", dated
9/19/42. Both Jerry Haendiges' log and the Old-Time Radio Researchers Group
confirm that date, so does that mean that the "G-Men" line was used, off an
on, from 1939 to (at least) 1942; that the above logs are incorrect about
some broadcast dates; or that, for some reason, that the "G-Men" line was
inserted when the programs were released commercially, presumably to replace
the missing or damaged actual line?

If the "G-Men" line did continue to at least 1942, it seems curious that both
it and the line "...public enemies who try to destroy our America" would be
used at various times. You'd think they'd have stuck with either one or the
other (or only used the G-Men one for stories involving the FBI and the "try
to destroy our America" one for stories involving sabotage. However neither
seems to have been the case).

Now for the new questions:  Both Jerry Haendiges' log and the Old-Time Radio
Researchers Group state that the episode "Bait for a Two-Timer" aired on June
6, 1950, but internal evidence from the episode itself places it in the late
1930s (and in fact, Radio Spirits, in its 6-tape/9-hour Green Hornet
collection, does give a 1930s date). In "Bait for a Two-Timer", both Ed Lowry
and "Clicker" Binney are still around (she's substituting for the vacationing
Lenore Case);  Mike Axford is being (re-?)introduced to the program and/or
the Sentinel (at one point, he calls Britt Reid to say he's en route, and
initially confuses "Clicker" with Casey); the "that even the G-Men Cannot
Reach" opening is used; and, just for the sake of completeness, the actor
playing the Hornet sounds like Al Hodge, not Jack McCarthy.

In examining some of the episodes I own, I found that "Clicker" Binney began
her temporary substitution for Casey in the episode "Money Talks Too Loud",
which aired June 20, 1939 according to OTRR. Axford returns to the Sentinel
in the episode "Put it on Ice", from July 4, 1939. That would put "Bait for a
Two-Timer" in between those two. But When? OTRR doesn't list any "in between"
programs between "Money Talks Too Loud" and "Put it on Ice" (which is odd,
considering the program aired twice a week at that point) and Haendiges lists
a handful of "title unknown" entries prior to "Put It on Ice", including one
in the slot where "Money Talks Too Loud" should go. For some odd reason, that
title is listed without a date of any sort at the bottom of his log.

Again, the announcer of "Bat for a Two-Timer" (who sounds like Myron "Mike"
Wallace, but doesn't identify himself at the end) gives the name of the
episode, so this isn't a case where Radio Spirits put the wrong title on both
the tape and the case (In its Green Hornet Vol. 2 six tape collection, Radio
Spirits incorrectly labeled the episode "Last of Oliver Perry" as "Classified
Ad", a story that aired a few months later.) Maybe the _Green Hornet_ folks
re-used the title "Bait for a Two-Timer" for a 1950 story, but that doesn't
explain why there's no listing for a 1939 episode by that title, given all
the internal evidence that dates it to that year.

So, can anyone help me answer these questions?

Rick

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:33:09 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  11-7 births/deaths

November 7th births

11-07-1868 - Royal Copeland - Dexter, MI - d. 6-17-1938
commentator: "Health Talk"; "Fleischmann Hour"
11-07-1883 - Solomon Lightfoot Michaux - Newport News, VA - d.
10-20-1968
preacher: "Elder Michaux's Happiness Church Service"
11-07-1890 - Phil Spitalny - Odessa, Russia - d. 10-11-1970
conductor: "Nestles Chocolateers"; "Blue Coal Revue"; "Hour of Charm"
11-07-1893 - Margaret Leech - Newburgh, NY - d. 2-24-1974
author: "Information Please"
11-07-1895 - Jerry Belcher - Austin, TX - d. 6-3-1962
interviewer: "Vox Pop"; "Our Neighbors"
11-07-1897 - Herman J. Mankiewicz - NYC - d. 3-5-1953
screenwriter, producer: "Lux Radio Theatre"
11-07-1902 - Ed Dodd - Lafayette, GA - d. 5-27-1991
comic creator: "Mark Trail"
11-07-1903 - Dean Jagger - Lima, OH - d. 2-5-1991
actor: "Crisis in War Town"; "Columbia Workshop"; "Cavalcade of America"
11-07-1904 - Francis M. Nevins, Jr. - Toronto, Canada - d. 4-1-1990
script writer: "Mandrake the Magcian"
11-07-1906 - Red Ingle - Toledo, OH - d. 9-7-1965
vocalist: (Spike Jones and his City Slickers) "The Spike Jones Show"
11-07-1907 - Tom Hanlon - Kansas - d. 9-29-1970
announcer: "Jane Endicott, Reporter"; "That's My Pop"; "Beulah Show"
11-07-1910 - Charles Carroll - Jackson, MI - d. 6-5-1978
actor: "Margo of Castlewood"; "Valiant Lady"
11-07-1911 - Dick Stark - Grand Rapids, MI - d. 12-12-1986
announcer: "It Pays to be Ignorant"; "Perry Mason"; "Walter Winchell's
Jergens Journal"
11-07-1913 - Margorie Anderson - London, England - d. 12-14-1999
disc jockey: "Forces Favourites"; "Woman's Hour"; "Home for the Day"
11-07-1916 - Joe Bushkin - NYC - d. 11-3-2004
jazz pianist: "Saturday Night Swing Club"; "Eddie Condon's Jazz Concert"
11-07-1917 - Johnnie Stewart - Tonbridge, England - d. 4-29-2005
sound effects for BBC radio in 1930s, then became a producer
11-07-1918 - Billy Graham - Charlotte, NC
preacher: "Hour of Decision"
11-07-1921 - Virginia Kaye - d. 3-18-2005
actor: Rosemary Dawson "Rosemary"
11-07-1922 - Al Hirt - New Orleans, LA - d. 4-27-1999
dixieland trumpeter: "Voices of Vista"; "The Navy Swings"; "Here's to
Veterans"
11-07-1926 - Joan Sutherland - Sydney, Australia
soprano: "Metropolitan Opera"
11-07-1945 - Ruthe Stein - Chicago, IL
journalist: "Sonya Live"; "All Things Considered"
11-07-1949 - Gary Marcuse - Ithaca, NY
host: "Songs and Stories of Canada"

November 7th deaths

01-21-1915 - Alan Hewitt - NYC - d. 11-7-1986
actor: Ken Martinson "This is Nora Drake"; Karl Dorn "Romance of Helen
Trent"
01-21-1925 - Charles Aidman - Frankfort, IN - d. 11-7-1993
acotr: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
02-19-1902 - Eddie Peabody - Reading, MA - d. 11-7-70
banjoist: (The Banjo King) "National Barn Dance"
03-13-1892 - Janet Flanner - Indianapolis, IN - d. 11-7-1978
reporter: "Listen, The Women"
03-14-1925 - Sonny Cohn - Chicago, IL - d. 11-7-2006
trupeter: Count Basie Orchestra
03-24-1910 - John V. Ambrose - d. 11-7-1995
sportscaster: WTAG Worcester, Massachusetts
03-30-1914 - Stu Novins - Boston, MA - d. 11-7-1989
writer: "The City"
04-13-1919 - Howard Keel - Gillespie, IL - d. 11-7-2004
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
04-14-1924 - Shorty Rogers - Great Barrington, MA - d. 11-7-1994
jazz trumpeter: "Army Bandstand"; "Here's to Veterans"
05-12-1909 - Margaret Harshaw - Philadelphia, PA - d. 11-7-1997
opera singer: "Radio Hall of Fame"; "Sylvan Opera Condert"
05-17-1905 - John Patrick - Louisville, KY - d. 11-7-1995
writer: "Theatre Guild On the Air";"Lux Radio Theatre"
05-25-1898 - Gene Tunney - NYC - d. 11-7-1978
heavyweight boxing champion: "National Guard Show"; "The Navy is Fit
to Fight"
08-15-1903 - Jerry Cady - d. 11-7-1948
writer: "Major Hoople"
08-18-1879 - Gus Edwards - Hohensaliza, Germany - d. 11-7-1945
songwriter: "Thirty Minutes In Hollywood"
08-25-1885 - Chick Sale - Huron, SD - d. 11-7-1936
humorist: "General Motors Family Party"; "RCA Victor Hour"
09-16-1927 - Jack Kelly - Astoria, NY - d. 11-7-1992
actor: "Suspense"
09-20-1918 - Peg Phillips - Everett, WA - d. 11-7-2002
actor: "Studio One"; "The Big Show"
10-04-1905 - Ruth Lyons - Cincinnati, OH - d. 11-7-1988
talk show host: "50-50 Club"
10-10-1911 - George Mathews - NYC - d. 11-7-1984
actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
10-11-1884 - Eleanor Roosevelt - NYC - d. 11-7-1962
commentator: "Eleanor Roosevelt Chats/It's a Woman's World/Talks by
Eleanor Roosevelt"
10-11-1914 - Buddy Twiss - St. Paul, MN - d. 11-7-1952
producer: "I Love A Mystery"; "One Man's Family"
10-16-1900 - Lloyd Corrigan - San Francisco, CA - d. 11-7-1969
actor: Judge Hunter "One Man's Family"
10-21-1905 - Carleton Young - NYC - d. 11-7-1994
actor: Dick Grosvenor "Stella Dallas"; Ellery Queen "Advs of Ellery
Queen"
11-05-1885 - Will Durant - North Adams, MA - d. 11-7-1981
historian: "America's Town Meeting of the Air"
12-11-1883 - Victor McLaglen - Tunbridge Wells, England - d. 11-7-1959
actor: Captain Flagg "Captain Flagg and Sergeant Quirt"; Mountie Eric
Lewis "Red Trails"
12-14-1915 - Jerry Daniels - d. 11-7-1995
singer: (Member of the Ink Spots) "The Four Ink Spots"; "Let's Go
Nightclubbing"
12-15-1891 - A. P. Carter - Poor Valley, VA - d. 11-7-1960
singer: (Carter Family) "Grand Ole Opry"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:35:45 -0500
From: Paul Adomites <padomites@[removed];
To: old time radio <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  WoTW script

A little bit ago, someone posted here that a copy of the "as produced"
version of the War of the Worlds broadcast script was available on line. I
meant to save it, but didn't. Our local OTR Troupe has investigated the
rights issues and found them surprisingly inexpensive, so we would like to do
the "as produced" script version. Offgroup replies are fine.
Thanks.
Paul Adomites

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