Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #25
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 1/24/2002 3:03 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 25
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  HAL STONE/HARRY BARTELL PHOTOS        [ "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
  HAL STONE/HARRY BARTELL PHOTOS        [ "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
  La Rosa-Godfrey Affair                [ Tom van der Voort <evan@[removed]; ]
  OTR named names                       [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  wishes                                [ "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed]; ]
  Howard Culver's radio role            [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  seeking otr distributors              [ "Ben Ohmart" <bloodbleeds@[removed] ]
  Re: ICHIN Fakes                       [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  Cpl. Irving Strobing                  [ "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@hotmail ]
  Today in OTR history                  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Dear Abby                             [ " Dial" <epminney@[removed]; ]
  The appeal of OLD TIME RADIO          [ BryanH362@[removed] ]
  OTR videotape                         [ Richard Carpenter <sinatra@ragingbu ]
  THE OTHER GODFREYS                    [ "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:36:58 -0500
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: HAL STONE/HARRY BARTELL PHOTOS

Those of us who have been reading the postings of Hal Stone & Harry Bartell,
can now get a glimpse of what they look like by logging on to Bill Eberle's
excellent OTR page, Radio Showtime at [removed]  and
clicking on to the photo gallery and scrolling down to the pictures (listed
alphebtacally), to Harlan & Harry.  My! What two handsome guys you two  are!
  Age has preserved you well.  Oh, and Hal, there is a picture of Bob
Hastings there too. You might want to contact him to the fact.  All of the
photos look like they were taken at the FOTR Convention.

Owens  [removed]

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:40:34 -0500
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: HAL STONE/HARRY BARTELL PHOTOS

Those of us who have been reading the postings of Hal Stone & Harry Bartell,
can now get a glimpse of what they look like by logging on to Bill Eberle's
excellent OTR page, Radio Showtime at [removed]  and
clicking on to the photo gallery and scrolling down to the pictures (listed
alphebtacally), to Harlan & Harry.  My! What two handsome guys you two  are!
  Age has preserved you well.  Oh, and Hal, there is a picture of Bob
Hastings there too. You might want to contact him to the fact.  All of the
photos look like they were taken at the FOTR Convention.

Owens  [removed]


[ADMINISTRIVIA: Of course, if you wanted to get to the Photo Gallery
directly, you could always go directly to:

[removed]

--cfs3]

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:03:01 -0500
From: Tom van der Voort <evan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: La Rosa-Godfrey Affair

      In view of  the discussion of the La Rosa - Godfrey imbroglio, I
thought readers might want to know what Godfrey said on the air.
      Following several complimentary remarks about La Rosa's work on the
show, he asked Julius to sing "Manhattan".  At the end of the song and just
before sign-off, Godfrey said:

  "Thanks ever so much, Julie. That was Julie's swan song with us. He goes
now out on his own as his own star soon to be  seen on his own programs and
I know you wish him Godspeed, same as I do.  This is the CBS radio network".

      Perhaps the suddenness of the announcement provoked a hostile
reaction.  If it was a complete surprise to La Rosa, the reaction was
justified.  However, if the departure was pre-arranged, it sounds pretty
benign.
Tom van der Voort

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:03:39 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR named names

I have another one of those small lists of people that were popular during
the 1940s, but I can't figure out their occupations or accomplishments.
Anyone able to help out?

Louis Connolly
Mary Rhinehart
Fred Hogan
John Allen
Clyde Barrie - I know he was a baritone, but that's all I know.
Jimmy Jemail ñ baseball player for what team and accomplishments?
Danton Walker, columnist for what paper and accomplishments?
Art Flynn
Joan Meegan
Vernon Pope
S. Bigman - the name eludes me but sounds [removed]

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:03:25 -0500
From: "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: wishes

Is there anybody out there from the Hartford, Conn. area who has tapes from
WTIC's golden days, or a copy of the Bob Steele LP?  I have the WTIC 45th
and 50th Anniversary shows to trade, which have excerpts of shows from the
1930s and 1940s, but I'd like complete local productions if possible.
  And is there anybody from the Dallas area who recalls a nighttime program
on one of the clear channel stations featuring a good ole boy host who
played opera records and supplied down-on-the-range plot summaries?  This
would have been in the early 1950s.  Would love tape or CD copies.  He was
MUCH funner (and more knowledgeable about opera) than Ed Wynn.

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:04:03 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Howard Culver's radio role

In 1948, Howard Culver became Ellery Queen but his stint lasted a mere
handful of episodes before the series went off the air.  What I have been
unable to do is figure out which is his first episode.  April 29, or May 6?
Below is a listing from a log I've put together.  Could anyone (or maybe
Lois Culver) be able to shed some light on this?

SAMPLING OF CAST LIST:
January 8, 1948 to April 22, 1948  (Episodes 335 to 350)
Lawrence Dobkin as Ellery Queen
Herb Butterfield as Inspector Richard Queen
Alan Reed as Sergeant Velie
Kaye Brinker as Nikki Porter

April 29, 1948 to May 27, 1948  (Episodes 351 to 355)
Howard Culver as Ellery Queen
Herb Butterfield as Inspector Richard Queen
Alan Reed as Sergeant Velie
Kaye Brinker as Nikki Porter

or [removed]

May 6, 1948  to May 27, 1948  (Episodes 352 to 355)
Howard Culver as Ellery Queen
Herb Butterfield as Inspector Richard Queen
____(various actors)____ as Sergeant Velie
Kaye Brinker as Nikki Porter

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Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:04:16 -0500
From: "Ben Ohmart" <bloodbleeds@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: seeking otr distributors

Paul Rapp is seeking distributors for his official Bickersons (and soon Baby
Snooks)
cds. If anyone here has a suggestion about who to try re: cd distribution,
please let me
know. Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:07:20 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: ICHIN Fakes

From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
It's unfortunate that the Murrow-Friendly imprimatur gives these
albums a historical credibility they really don't deserve.
Documentary producers need to be very careful about using them --
but, of course, Murrow and Friendly never intendend them to be
used as fodder for every cheap-jack historical clip show that
would be produced over the next fifty years. Had they expected
this to happen, they might have been more careful.

I think this will be more understandable to everyone if these albums are
considered in the context of standard practices of the era in which
these albums were produced, 1948-1950.  Most of us have forgotten (or
did not realize) that back then it was acceptable practice to use live
studio re-creations in news documentaries.  The most notable example is
"The March Of Time" which consisted entirely of re-creations of the news
events of the week.  Because of the prohibition of the major networks
against the general use of recordings until 1949, even if they HAD a
real recording of the event they would not have been allowed to use it!
But I do believe that when the program was first conceived in 1931 they
fully intended the program to be studio re-creations, because during
1930 Time had syndicated a recorded program called "Newsacting" which
recreated news events to stations that would have had no hesitation to
play real recordings of the events if they could.  The network series
expanded on the syndicated series.

"The March Of Time" inspired other broadcasters to do dramatic news
re-creations during the whole OTR era--it was a standard acceptable
practice.  So much so that CBS created a program "CBS Is There" that
later became "You Are There" which had dramatic tellings of historic
events as if they were being covered live by actual CBS reporters.  CBS
broadcast journalists had no second thoughts about appearing on this
program using their real names.  A few years ago when Daniel Shore made
a negative comment on NPR about journalists appearing as themselves in
the fictional newsroom on "Murphey Brown", I wrote to him reminding him
of his frequent participation in "You Are There."  I believe his
reaction was something like "it was a different era", and that is the
way we need to look at the ethics of the producers of "I Can Hear It
Now"

As Elizabeth mentioned, Murrow and Friendly did note on the original
cover of Vol III that they used actors, but never explained that ALL the
clips were basically re-creations.  Instead the mused that they were a
bit hesitant of mixing real and acted clips.  I certainly agree with
Elizabeth that is is highly unfortunate that documentary producers still
steal clips from it--I've been tracking these mis-uses for over 20
years.   And she is right that they do it because of the trust they
(mistakenly in this case) place on the names of Murrow and Friendly.
But sometimes they do it because they don't know the original
source--they're getting the clips third-hand.  That's what happened in
the ABC-TV case that I blew the whistle on.  They got the clips from the
CBC which got them from some documentary they had done 20 years
earlier.  They never saw the disclaimers in the orignal liner notes.
But somebody in the past did--and ignored them.

genuine recordings of broadcasts from this [1919-32] period were
-- and still are -- quite scarce.

There's no reason to expect that they would have to limit themselves to
broadcast recordings.  There are good quality phonograph records or
newsreel recordings of almost every person re-enacted in Volume III,
although they might not be saying the words they wanted them to say to
fit into the record's script.  These recordings would have been
available in 1950, and I believe they used them to train their actors to
imitate the voices.  They should have used the recordings instead of
actors.

The only genuine broadcast recordings on ICHIN Vol. 3 are the
clips from FDR's first inaugural

Ah, but it could be from a newsreel soundtrack, but it might have been
from that wonderful Royal Blue Columbia 78 set that we've discussed.

and a short sequence of Will Rogers, which is taken from the
4/2/32 broadcast of "The Ziegfeld Follies of the Air."

Thanks for this date--I haven't taken the time to listen thru all the
Rogers recordings.

There are recordings of Bing Crosby and Rudy Vallee which may or
may not be from broadcasts -- I personally doubt that they are,
but haven't verified the source of these clips.

I haven't done a synchronized A-B test of these, but Bing might be from
his 9/16/32 Brunswick record of "Please" which Columbia had reissued in
the 1940s, or else from the film soundtrack of "Big Broadcast of 1932"
where he sang the song.  The Vallee might be from his Victor recording
of Feb 12 or 25, 1929--he announces on at least one of the five takes of
"My Time Is Your Time".

The one celebrity recording I am not sure of whether the celebrity or an
actor did it, is the recording of Grantland Rice reading his newspaper
column about the Four Horsemen.  Was Rice still alive in 1950?

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:07:38 -0500
From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Cpl. Irving Strobing

Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; writes of the Corregidor Morse Code broadcast
recreation:

What we apparently have not been able to ascertain is
whether that telegrapher, Irving Strobing of Brooklyn, [removed], survived
the Battan Death March and the several years of prison camps that
followed.

Indeed, not only did Corporal Strobing survive both (as did Bert Silen of
NBC, by the way), but he was even interviewed by Frank Knight on Side 9 of
the Longines Symphonette Society GOLDEN MOMENTS OF RADIO boxed set.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:38:36 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in OTR history

  From Those Were The Days --

1930 - Ben Bernie (Benjamin Anzelwitz) began a weekly remote broadcast
from the lovely Roosevelt Hotel in NYC.

1942 - Abie’s Irish Rose was first heard on NBC radio this day as part
of Knickerbocker Playhouse. The program was a takeoff on the smash play
from Broadway that ran for nearly 2,000 performances. Sydney Smith
played the part of Abie. Rosemary Murphy was played by Betty Winkler.

  Joe

--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:38:52 -0500
From: " Dial" <epminney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Dear Abby

Mr. Bartell has spoken of his writing for a program called ìDear
Abby.î  Are there any transcriptions available of this program?  Was
this the program title, or was it called ìAdvice from Dear Abbyî or
some such?  I would really like to hear it.  Elizabeth Minney

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:39:18 -0500
From: BryanH362@[removed]
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The appeal of OLD TIME RADIO

What is it about OTR that appeals to us? It has reached out and hooked us and
probably for a very different reason for each individual person. Many of us
appreciate radio drama in general . However, it is often stated by many that
they only like the "old stuff".  So certainly the old time shows have a
specific appeal that sometimes current efforts do not.
Much of the appeal is obvious. It is a window on the world that was. The
historical appeal is probably a major one. Hearing vintage advertisements and
WWII  news interuptions is fascinating. And let us not forget that old time
radio let's us hear the work of the big name stars of the golden age of
hollywood --a major appeal of The Lux radio Theater NOW  as well as way back
when. Not that OTR is simply enjoyed on a nostalgic and historical level but
it can be a big part of it. The older The CBS radio Mystery Theater gets the
more interest it seems to generate .  Personally for myself "The Theater of
the Mind" has a great deal to do with the appeal of OTR. This truly comes
into play when I am listening to 'Suspense', 'Dimension X' and shows like
'The Shadow'
--shows that can be appreciated for simply the story.
And many shows had a big budget (for their time)with name actors, live
orchestras and  great writers  unlike the shoestring budgets that modern
audio efforts are forced to work with . Besides who can compete with the
likes of Jack Benny , Fred Allen , Orson Welles and others. Old time Radio is
great?

-Bryan

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:02:26 -0500
From: Richard Carpenter <sinatra@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR videotape

   I can highly recommend a videotape of a 25-year-old telecast saluting old
time radio, with Steve Allen as host. The show, "Good Ol' Days of Radio,"
features brief appearances by many stars, including Hal Peary, Jim Jordan,
and Eddie "Rochester" Anderson, as well as announcers such as Don Wilson and
Ken Carpenter. There also are a lot of film clips, showing Freeman Gosden
doing the voice of the Kingfish and Amos, Agnes Moorhead emoting in "Sorry,
Wrong Number," etc., etc. Although the video can be a tad fuzzy, it's a
wonderful show. The tape costs about $10; I got mine at [removed].
Click on "Videos _ Vinage" and then "Notable Specialties."

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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:06:35 -0500
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: THE OTHER GODFREYS

As I recall, Godfrey had a Sister, Kathy, who was in Broadcasting as well. I
believe she did news broadcasts and was a talk-show hostess, but I could be
mistaken.  Lee or Elizabeth, help me out here.  And also, in passing, we
never hear of Godfrey's daughter, who was quite a young horsewoman, I
believe.  Is she still living?. . . .   Did she follow in Dad's footsteps?
Any info would ease my mind.  Thanks.

Owens  [removed]

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