Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #275
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 8/21/2004 4:09 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 275
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      I Love A Mystery fragment shows       [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      Re: Elinor Hirschfeld Nathan          [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Norman Corwin's "Could Be"            [ "smzmurphy@[removed]" <smzmurphy@jun ]
      Caedmon's "The Lottery"               [ "smzmurphy@[removed]" <smzmurphy@jun ]
      Re: Sam McGee                         [ Udmacon@[removed] ]
      Woman and Gritto                      [ "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@comc ]
      Re: Spike Jones(?) Memoirs            [ Jordan Young <jyoung@[removed]; ]
      Cinnamon Quilter Wins International   [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      Re: Bass and the Lottery              [ "Michael Guccione" <jetbonami@hotma ]
      The Lone Ranger in 1955               [ Trinapreston3@[removed] ]
      Superman Radio Log                    [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      99 cents                              [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Kreisler/Benny                        [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
      8-22 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Gildy With A Cajun Accent!?!?!?       [ <tallpaulk@[removed]; ]
      More On the Origin of Robot           [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]

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    Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:24:32 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  I Love A Mystery fragment shows

    Hi Everybody,

    does any one know who has the I Love A Mystery shows from Hollywood that are
    incomplete?  I have them on MP3 but I would like to get them on audio CD or
    tape in order to share them on the air.  Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 20:57:21 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Elinor Hirschfeld Nathan

    On 8/20/04 7:27 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     I have come across a source that says one Elinor Hirschfield Nathan played a
>     character named Ruby Taylor on the radio series "Amos 'n' Andy." I can
>     find no
>     other evidence of this, is this true or is the source in error?

    Elinor Hirschfeld Nathan (1910-2000) was better known by her stage name
    Elinor Harriot. She was playing ingenue roles in Chicago radio when she
    was chosen by Freeman Gosden to speak Ruby Taylor's first on-air line in
    1935. She was a regular on the program in 1936 and 1937, playing a wide
    range of female roles opposite Correll and Gosden, and was the first
    actress to play the role of Sapphire Stevens.

    She relocated from Chicago to Los Angeles with Correll and Gosden in
    1937, where she met and married insurance executive Frank Nathan and
    retired from all radio work with the exception of her roles in "Amos 'n'
    Andy."  She continued to appear as Ruby whenever needed until Correll and
    Gosden retired from radio in 1960.

    In later years, she became an education activist in Los Angeles, serving
    multiple terms on the Beverly Hills Board of Education, and spent the
    last thirty years of her life as a trustee of Pitzer College in
    Claremont, CA.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:17:14 -0400
    From: "smzmurphy@[removed]" <smzmurphy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Norman Corwin's "Could Be"

    Has anyone any information about the Norman Corwin radio play "Could Be"? I
    haven't had any luck in my research. All I know from the opening and closing
    announcements of the play is that it aired on CBS in 1949 and was produced in
    cooperation with the [removed] It sounds like it might have been what we would
    today call a "special."

         I appreciate any help anyone can offer.

    Mike

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:17:25 -0400
    From: "smzmurphy@[removed]" <smzmurphy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Caedmon's "The Lottery"

    While not exactly OTR, I do have in my collection an old Caedmon recording of
    Maureen Stapleton reading the Shirley Jackson tale. It runs approximately 20
    minutes.

    Mike

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:17:53 -0400
    From: Udmacon@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Sam McGee

    "Sam McGee - d. 8-21-1975 guitarist: (Performed with the "Fruit Jar Drinkers")"

    Well yes and no. On the Grand Ole Opry Sam McGee only performed with his
    brother Kirk, and also as a member of Arthur Smith's Dixieliners.

    But In 1927, Sam and Kirk accompanied Uncle Dave Macon to a recording session
    in New York. For the session, Uncle Dave "borrowed" the Fruit Jar Drinkers
    name.

    When Opry originator George D. Hay heard of this he tried to stop Brunswick
    records from releasing the session numbers, but Brunswick declined.

    Naturally, when Uncle Dave returned home to Nashville he was read the riot
    act by "Judge" Hay.

    The result: to this day folks think that the Opry's Fruit Jar Drinkers made
    the NYC Brunswick session. They didn't.

    Thanks a heap, Uncle Dave! <g>

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:19:11 -0400
    From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Woman and Gritto

    Gary Johnson queried:

>     Hi. I recent question posted to this list about the pronunciation of
>     "robot" in '50s sci-fi OTR made me wonder about Matt Dillon's pronunciation
>     of "woman" in GUNSMOKE. He says "woe-mun." I've never heard anyone else
>     pronounce woman like this.

    I don't know how familiar you may be with country music, but singer Moe
    Bandy used to pronounce it the same way.  (Bandy's real name is "Marian,"
    but was called "Moe" because his parents announced that they had so many
    kids they weren't going to have any "moe.")

    And speaking of [removed]

    Derek ("Bringing Up Ether") Tague asked:

>     Does this ring a bell with anybody, and, if so, in  which short subject
>     did this occur? It might've been "Micro-Phonies," in which Curly is mistaken
>     for an on-air operatic [removed] I'm not particularly sure Moe Howard
>     doing "the Shadow" in a radio-themed film just seems too obvious.

    It is the 1945 short MICRO-PHONIES that this appears in.  "Use Gritto, radio
    [removed]"

    ("And [removed]'Gritto' spelled backward is [removed]")

    Ivan
    ----
    Classic movies, television and OTR at Thrilling Days of Yesteryear:
    [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 00:19:45 -0400
    From: Jordan Young <jyoung@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Spike Jones(?) Memoirs

>     Subject:  Re: Spike Jones(?) Memoirs

>     During a recent spate of out of town trips I listened to the entire 6 or
>     7-volume series of Spike Jones' war memoirs ("Hitler: My Part in His
>     Downfall," ...

    While it's obviously a reference to Spike Milligan, it would have
    been a great title for a Spike Jones memoir, given "Der Fuehrer's
    Face." For years after the war, Jones claimed he was number 7 on
    Hitler's hit list.

    For those of you who have asked, the 20th anniversary edition of my
    book on Jones will be available this fall from BearManor Media.
    What's new? Among other things, excerpts from Doodles Weaver's
    diaries, for the first time anywhere.

    Speaking of BearManor, let me offer an unsolicited endorsement for my
    publisher Ben Ohmart's new book on Paul Frees. It's full of revealing
    interviews that tell what Frees was really like, and an impossibly
    long list of radio (and other) credits.

    Jordan R. Young
    "Spike Jones Off the Record"

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 01:33:44 -0400
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cinnamon Quilter Wins International Best of Show
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html

       I wrote to this list several months ago to praise the wonderful work
       of my friend Barbara Webster who had just finished translating my old
       Cinnamon Bear drawing into a dazzling limited edition quilt. Digest
       member Dennis Crow, former Grand Wunkie of the Cinnamon Bear Brigade,
       promptly contacted Barbara and is now the owner of  Cinnamon Bear
       Quilt # 1. His good judgment was confirmed yesterday as Ms. Webster
       has been honored with the Best of Show Prize at the International
       Festival of Quilts in Birmingham, England (any English subscribers to
       this list can still catch the show; it runs four days). I guess this
       makes Barbara one of the best quilters in the world, which I hope will
       encourage other OTR buffs to take a look at her Cinnamon Bear quilt;
       who else is REALLY going to appreciate it?

       This quilt is based on a drawing I did for the local public radio
       station which was running the series; that drawing, in turn, was based
       purely on my own memories of the characters as I envisioned them as a
       child. You can see the quilt at
       [removed] and the artwork at
       its center at
       [removed]. All the
       patterns surrounding the central image are sampled from the painting
       itself and rearranged in kaleidoscopic fashion.

       The 135 entries in the exhibition were selected from a larger show of
       1000 quilts. Here is an excerpt from the judges' statement: "We
       eventually chose eight wonderful pieces of textile work which we
       admired for all sorts of reasons and which we commend to you as the
       best of their kind. They are not cutting edge pieces but textiles
       displaying many different techniques, both traditional and
       contemporary, which are deeply rooted in the quilting tradition.
           "We then had the extremely difficult task of deciding on the
       winner. We
       looked closely, discussed the merits of each quilt and eventually took
       a
       vote.
           "The winner of Quilt 2004 is Barbara Webster. The judges were

       unanimous."

       Yours truly,

       John Mayer

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:23:38 -0400
    From: "Michael Guccione" <jetbonami@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Bass and the Lottery

>     "The Lottery" I think was a French film or the version
>     I saw in high school and because there was no [removed]

    I think you're referring to 'An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge' based on a
    short story by Ambrose Bierce, air date 2/28/64 repeated 9/11/64. It was a
    French production and Cannes Film Fest winner in 1962, it also won an Oscar.
    A large chunk of this is from Serling's own intro of the episode.

    Twilight Zone convention 8-21-04/8-22-04 at Berverly Garland's Holiday Inn,
    North Hollywood, CA, Here's a link:

    [removed]

    Michael G

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:24:18 -0400
    From: Trinapreston3@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Lone Ranger in 1955
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    I was wondering why you can not find detail radio logs for The Lone Ranger
    radio series for the year 1955?  I found out through searching the web that
    Brace Beemer was still The Lone Ranger then.  I found out that the show went
    from
    Mutual network to ABC network and then finally to NBC radio network for 1955.
    What confuses me more is that when I went to [removed] I seen a
    couple of the TV show episodes from 1955 with Clayton Moore as the Lone Ranger
    listed.  Did Brace Beemer and Clayton Moore both perform the roles as the Lone
    Ranger for the radio series? Or was Clayton Moore use to encourage radio
    listeners to become more interested in the television show?  If so, Brace
    Beemer must
    felt left out and overshadowed by Clayton Moore's popularity as The Lone
    Ranger.  Can anyone tell me if the The Lone Ranger radio series continue to
    remain
    popular on the radio during the 1950s?

    Trina,

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:32:08 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Superman Radio Log

    Mike DeLisa pointed out a source for the Superman radio log.

    Small notes of correction:
    1.  I did NOT compile that log that the SUPERMAN web-site keeps crediting me
    for.
    Fred Shay should receive credit because he has every radio script in his
    possession and Fred's name is credited in the RADIO DRAMA book as the
    compiler of the log.  Someone named "Frank" gave the SUPERMAN web-site
    (Steve Younis) their version of a log, with his own changes (many
    assumptions) and even though the SUPERMAN web-site has received requests to
    acknowledge Fred Shay instead of me, he still won't give credit where credit
    is due.

    2.  The "corrections" Frank described on the web-site are more assumptions
    than verified paperbook backup.  The log that appears in RADIO DRAMA came
    directly from the radio scripts and the radio recordings courtesy of Fred
    Shay, and is the most accurate to date.  I'm not saying it's 100% accurate,
    but it is far more accurate than Haendiges' web-site and the one featured on
    the SUPERMAN web-site.  This is why Mike noticed that their are differences
    between the logs.

    If anyone is interested in dropping a simple e-mail to Steve Younis, the man
    who maintains the SUPERMAN web-site, and ask that he kindly give credit
    where credit is due, to Fred Shay and not me, and request that he put the
    accurate log on his site, maybe more than one e-mail will catch his
    attention - he hasn't answered mine during the last six months.  The page to
    send feedback is:

    [removed]

    If his web-site doesn't put a more accurate log up, someone (if it's not too
    late) will end up writing a book about SUPERMAN and use that inaccurate log
    as their own reference and again won't credit Fred Shay for originating the
    log.  And since Fred has had the only available complete script collection
    all these years, I highly doubt anyone is more accurate.

    This is just one of those examples where people take perfectly decent
    material and alter it to please themselves.  Like the fella who posted his
    own SUSPENSE log on the internet (also citing me as a source and he too
    won't remove my name from his web-site) and his log lists over 1,100
    SUSPENSE radio broadcasts with ficticious titles and airdates and he claims
    his is the most accurate to date.  Course, he doesn't have recordings or
    scripts to back up his claim either . . . Sadly, his log is still available
    for people to check out.

    Martin Grams, Jr.

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: You can also try emailing the address listend in the contact
    information for the domain record; steve@[removed] - dunno if it'll do
    any more good, but might be less easily ignored than webpage feedback.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:37:41 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  99 cents

    Bobb Lynes commented:

>     Here in the "western United States" (as Fred Foy would say), the cheap store
>     chain is called "The 99 Cent Store and they've loaded their displays with
>     many different new DVDs.  Mostly old (public domain?) movies, but also a lot
>     of our OTR friends' TV efforts as well.  As mentioned before, The Lone
>     Ranger, Red Skelton, Jack Benny, Martin & Lewis, Abbott & Costello, Lucy,
>     The Rifleman, Bonanza, Dragnet and others including cartoons are all going
>     for a buck!  Looks like someone is ordering from the Alpha Video folks and
>     knocking off DVD copies ASAP.

    Some are OTR related - Burns and Allen, Jack Benny, Dragnet, etc.  That
    company isn't knocking off Alpha Video because 1. they are all public domain
    titles and 2. Alpha doesn't carry most of those titles.  Alpha said they are
    not planning to release most of those titles like BONANZA and THE RIFLEMAN
    because they're popping up all over the place.  90% of Alpha's source
    material is from their own private collection, and the previous offerings of
    Sinister Cinema.  Those DVDs, incidentally, contain the same recordings
    offered by most public domain companies.  Those dollar DVDs, incidentally,
    are not a true bargain.  The Abbott and Costellos are the Colgate Hour
    broadcasts and you can get 16 Colgate Hour broadcasts on a 2-DVD set for
    $[removed]
    Martin Grams

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:37:52 -0400
    From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Kreisler/Benny

    Did Fritz Kreisler ever appear on the Jack Benny Program?

    Someone told me this was so, but I've never heard of such, let alone any
    recordings documenting it.

    Joe Salerno

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 13:39:19 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  8-22 births/deaths

    August 22nd births

    08-22-1851 - Daniel Frohman - Sandusky, OH - d. 12-26-1940
    broadway producer: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    08-22-1887 - Julia Sanderson - Springfield, MA - d. 1-27-1975
    singer, emcee: "Blackstone Plantation"; "Battle of the Sexes"; "Let's Be
    Charming"
    08-22-1893 - Cecil Kellaway - Capetown, South Africa - d. 2-28-1973
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Cavalcade of America"
    08-22-1893 - Dorothy Parker - West End, NJ - d. 6-7-1967
    author, panelist: "Author, Author"; "Information Please"
    08-22-1897 - Eddie Dunstedter - Edwardsville, IL - d. 7-30-1974
    organist, conductor: "Gold Medal Fast Freight"; "Lineup"; "It Happened in
    Hollywood"
    08-22-1904 - Jay Novello - Chicago, IL - d. 9-2-1982
    actor: Sam Sabaaya "Rocky Jordan"; Glenn Hunter "One Man's Family"
    08-22-1906 - James Meighan - NYC
    actor: Michael Waring "The Falcon"; Peter Carver "Lora Lawton"
    08-22-1909 - Julius J. Epstein - NYC - d. 12-30-2000
    screenwriter: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    08-22-1909 - Philip G. Epstein - NYC - d. 2-7-1952
    screenwriter: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    08-22-1910 - Lesley Woods - d. 8-2-2003
    actress: Mary Wesley "Boston Blackie"; Margo Lane "The Shadow"
    08-22-1915 - Hugh Paddick - Hoddeston, Hartfordshire, England - d. 11-9-2000
    actor: "Beyond Our Ken"
    08-22-1920 - Ray Bradbury - Waukegan, IL
    writer: "Bradbury 13"; "Martian Chronicles"
    08-22-1922 - Shelley Winters - St. Louis, MO
    actress: "Hollywood Star Preview"
    08-22-1942 - Kathy Lennon - Santa Monica, CA
    singer: (The Lennon Sisters) "Music on Deck"; "Voices of Vista"; "Guest Star"

    August 22nd deaths

    02-16-1903 - Norman Shelley - d. 8-22-1980
    actor: John H. Watson "Corner In Crime, Saturday Night Theatre"
    03-04-1892 - Helen Van Tuyl - IA - d. 8-22-1964
    actress: Ellen Collins "Bachelor's Children"
    06-03-1924 - Colleen Dewhurst - Montreal, Canada (R:  Wauwatosa, WI) - d.
    8-22-1991
    actress: "Will Cather: A Look of Rememberance"
    11-21-1882 - Alfred White - d. 8-22-1972
    actor: Soloman Levy "Abie's Irish Rose"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 18:06:03 -0400
    From: <tallpaulk@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Gildy With A Cajun Accent!?!?!?

    This is for Gildersleeve devotees only.  A recent forage through a bargain
    bin yielded a 6 episode DVD of the mid-50's TV show "The Adventures Of Jim
    Bowie".
    In one of the episodes (The Land Jumpers), Willard Waterman plays a
    not-so-honest Cajun lawyer.  That deep voice with a forced Cajun accent was
    worth the three bucks I paid for the disc.

    Paul Kattelman - Sharonville, Ohio

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    Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2004 19:06:50 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  More On the Origin of Robot

    Jim Widner, speaking of the origin of the word robot, notes,

>     The word is of Czech origin as you say, but unlike many sources which gives
>     Karel Capek credit for coining the word, it was actually his brother Josef
>     who coined it. It was part of Karel Capek's 1920 play [removed] or Rossum's
>     Universal Robots about mechanical humans performing the drudgery of work.
>     The Czech word robota does mean slave or drudgery (depending upon your
>     source) and the Capek's popularized the word by the success of Karel's play.

    What's really interesting that in relatively modern terminology, the
    Capek "robot" is what we'd call "android."  The robots of the play were
    unlike the Tin Woodman of Oz; they were apparently composed of artificial
    protoplasm.  The word became applied to metallic mechanical men in the
    United States, and that kind of "robot" popped up in [removed] drama, most
    notably with Number 1 on the Buck Rogers radio drama.  Metal robots also
    popped up on other programs from time to time: I believe that there was a
    robot story on 2000+ as well as Dimension X.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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