Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #158
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 4/16/2003 9:12 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 158
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: historic find (a real one this t  [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      Springfield, IL OTR Group             [ JayHick@[removed] ]
      Fibber restaurant in Phoenix AZ?      [ Mahlon Wagner <mwagner2@[removed] ]
      snapshot 2: Nazi World War II radio   [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
      "[removed] Archie!...Re-laxx!"       [ "HARLAN ZINCK" <zharlan@[removed] ]
      Missing Ranger                        [ "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
      Vic Perrin on Trek                    [ "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@neb. ]
      Richard Crenna                        [ "Arthur Funk" <Art-Funk@[removed]; ]
      MP3 vs cassettes - continued          [ "david rogers" <david_rogers@hotmai ]
      Missing LONE RANGER                   [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      Re: Vic Perrin                        [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]
      If This Was Your FIRST Cincinnati OT  [ GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@ ]
      MP3s                                  [ GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@ ]
      Apologies/Perrin & Blanc              [ Derek Tague <derek@[removed]; ]
      Radio discovery announced             [ John Henley <jhenley@[removed] ]
      A New Find                            [ "Randall Miller Jr." <rfmillerjr1@c ]

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    Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:08:44 -0400
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: historic find (a real one this time)

    OK I *swear* I am not "pulling an Elizabeth" here.  These recordings (recaps
    of the Bruno Hauptmann trial) really did turn up and really are in the
    possession of the Museum of Television and Radio in New York City.  The same
    family who had this also had the only known existing, complete kinescope of
    the original "Studio One" version of "Twelve Angry Men."
    Here is a brief excerpt from the AP article:

    ***The Lindbergh recordings features prominent New York defense attorney
    Samuel Leibowitz's daily accounts of the trial. His trial analysis was
    broadcast from the studio of New York radio station WHN and was recorded on
    metal disc.
       The recording was in the possession of Leibowitz's children, who also had
    a 16mm film copy of a kinescope of "Twelve Angry Men."
       "The Lindbergh trial coverage offers unique insight into the judicial
    system in America at that time and will serve as a valuable document for
    historians and scholars," museum President Robert M. Batscha said.
       The museum learned of the historic recordings from filmmaker Joseph
    Consentino, who is producing a documentary about Leibowitz scheduled to air
    in June on the History Channel.
       Museum curators validated the material and remastered it. The recordings
    will be featured at the museum's Los Angeles and New York locations May 23 to
    July 6 and will be available for viewing afterward as part of the permanent
    collection.
       Hundreds of reporters swarmed a New Jersey courtroom for
    Hauptmann's trial and radio networks offered daily coverage, but no recording
    of the coverage was known to exist, according to the museum.
       Leibowitz had been hired by WHN to comment on the trial. During the
    approximately five hours of recordings, the attorney discusses the evidence,
    the jury's behavior and the strategy of the prosecution and defense.***

    Doesn't say how long each broadcast lasts, what form they take (open, close,
    etc).

    Dixon

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    Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:32:08 -0400
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Springfield, IL OTR  Group

    i am ed kienzler from  springfield illinois and i want any advice you might
    give me as to wanting to set up a  local group  for otr trading and
    ENJOYING!!! please e-mail me at ekienzler@[removed]

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    Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:43:03 -0400
    From: Mahlon Wagner <mwagner2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fibber restaurant in Phoenix AZ?

    I will be traveling to Phoenix Arizona at the end of April--does anyone
    know of the exact address of the Fibber restaurant?
    Many thanks,
    Mahl

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    Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:43:20 -0400
    From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  snapshot 2:  Nazi World War II radio
     scripts--from an 8-year long book research project--

    snapshot 2:  --of an eight-year long book research project--Nazi World
    War II radio scripts

    	Irene S. and I have just met.  We're standing in front of the fountain
    at Lincoln Center.  She's a tall German woman in her 70s.  She immigrated
    to the [removed] when she was in her 20s, after World War II.  During the war,
    she worked as a journalist.  She also had some radio experience.  She has
    responded to an author's query that I placed in the New York Times.

    	In the months that followed, Irene and I developed a friendship, but
    her
    research efforts were very slow.  In the end she located and translated
    into English, one Nazi radio play of the 1930s.  It's rather esoteric and
    I haven't figured out what use I might make of it. Irene did some
    research for our project in Germany where she maintained a second home.
    Partly because she moved slowly on the project, but mostly because I
    decided to focus on American wartime propaganda radio broadcasts, we went
    our separate ways. Shortly before the book was published, I called her,
    not having  spoken to her for months. Her husband answered. He gave a
    very confused reply when I ask for her. When he recovered from the shock
    of my attempt to call her, he informed me that she had passed away 11
    months earlier

    Coming soon: snapshot 3: British radio plays

    Howard Blue
    [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:34:53 -0400
    From: "HARLAN ZINCK" <zharlan@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  "[removed] Archie!...Re-laxx!"

    For those of you who have yet to purchase a copy of Hal Stone's book
    "[removed] Archie!...Re-laxx!", you now have the chance to sample a portion
    of it absolutely free.

    And, yes, with Hal's permission too. Can you believe it?

    The latest issue of Radio Archives News has just been released and, in it,
    you'll find both the preface and a lengthy chapter from Hal's delightful
    book. You'll have the chance to read about his experience at NBC auditioning
    for the part of "Jughead" for the legendary director Anton Leader. You'll
    also, of course, find out where to go to buy your very own [removed] I
    promise you that, after reading this excerpt, that's just what you'll want
    to do. I just finished reading the book myself and, believe me, "[removed]
    Archie!...Re-laxx!" is one of the most entertaining and fun reads you'll
    ever have. It is truly a hoot - and full of some very interesting and
    enlightening "on-the-scene" radio information as well.

    Now, Hal tells me that all I have to do is save up $[removed] in time for the
    REPS convention in June and he'll be happy to autograph my copy of his book
    for me. Gee, those Sharpie pens are getting *expensive*, aren't they?

    To subscribe to Radio Archives News (no cost, no obligation, no salesman
    will call), visit the Archives website at [removed] and
    click on the "free newsletter" button on the left of the screen. It's just
    that easy. Within minutes, the latest issue will be e-mailed to you and
    you'll soon find yourself engrossed in the world of our own Jughead, Hal
    Stone.

    As Stan Freberg might have said, "[removed]" But a whole
    lot of fun, too!

    Harlan

    Harlan Zinck
    First Generation Radio Archives
    [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:57:50 -0400
    From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Missing Ranger

    In reply to Joe Salerno's question about Lone Ranger episode 744, which in
    Terry Salomonson's log appears as "Devil's Sink", first of all, the episode
    should not actually bear this title.  Terry's log contains a hiccup at this
    episode and the one which follows.  Both this episode and the subsequent one
    appear with the same title, which on the surface would lead one to think
    that they were a two-part story.  However, the episode that was aired on
    11/13/1942 that Joe is asking about should probably be called something like
    "Arrows of Death".  The one aired on 11/16/1942 is actually "Devil's Sink"
    and has nothing to do with the previous one.
    Now to answer Joe's question about Brace Beemer.  Beemer often pre-recorded
    his part in the program so that he could be off on a personal appearance, or
    just plain have a night off once in a while.  You'll notice that this
    episode was aired on a Friday.  Either Brace had a long weekend planned or
    he was at a county fair somewhere not too far from Detroit so that he could
    return Monday, since that episode features the Ranger extensively.  The
    writers, in this case most probably Fran Striker himself, constructed
    stories that used minimal dialogue for the Ranger so that the other actors
    could play the scenes with the recorded dialogue with a minimum of effort,
    since it took perfect timing to conduct their part of the scene with a
    recording with pauses being played by the engineers.
    One of the best examples of a program with Beemer's recorded dialogue is
    "Sam Bass" (air date 4/24/1944) which appears on an LP recording as well as
    many collectors libraries.

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    Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:38:52 -0400
    From: "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@[removed];
    To: "old time radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Vic Perrin on Trek

    Hi Charlie:
    You forgot to mention Vic Perrin's appearance as the Metron in, "Arena,"
    from the original Trek.  Ahem ahem!  Your slipping.
    Does anyone know that Laurence Dobkin directed an original Trek episode
    called, "Charlie X."  Also, Arnold Moss appears in the episode, "The
    Conscience of the King."
    RyanO

    Sometimes, I don't say it right, but I know what I'm talking about.

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Just to be completest, Mr. Perrin was the _voice_ of the
    Metron; the actor was considerably younger (and no, I honestly don't remember
    the name, even though I watched the laserdisc a month ago - my daughter
    wanted to know what a Gorn was, [removed]). Of course, we could go on listing OTR
    actors on Star Trek; Beverly Washburn in "Deadly Years," Bill Zuckert in
    "Spectre of the Gun" (both FOTR Con attendees, BTW), Harry Townes in "Return
    of the Archons," Jeff Corey in "Cloud Minders," and probably a whole bunch
    more I can't remember at the moment.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:38:59 -0400
    From: "Arthur Funk" <Art-Funk@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Richard Crenna
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    Having been alerted by a subscriber's post in the OTR Digest that the Judging
    Amy episode tonight would be a tribute to Richard Crenna and the character he
    portrayed on Judging Amy, I tuned in instead of to my favorite NYPD Blue.
    Richard Crenna has been a favorite of mine since as a child I heard him
    playing Walter Denton on the radio Our Miss Brooks.  I've seen many of his
    movies and enjoyed his many television appearances over the years.  At the
    conclusion of the episode tonight they showed a color portrait of him with
    that wonderful, genial smile that he had.  As I viewed it, in my head I heard
    that squeaky voice saying once again:  "Aw gee, Miss Brooks!"

    Best regards to all,
    Art Funk

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    Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:59:29 -0400
    From: "david rogers" <david_rogers@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  MP3 vs cassettes - continued

    I would just like to add a couple of things to Dan Hughes post about mp3s
    and cassettes. I have moved around a lot over the last 18 years since I got
    married. A lot of stuff that I have collected, books, tapes, albums etc have
    had to be either put into storage or given to friends etc. For me mp3s have
    been a great way to "get back" and store a lot of things that I have lost.
    Also when I travel mp3s are a very convenient way for me to take a large
    number of shows with me. In China last winter my wife and I were able to
    take and listen to a large number of shows. This would not have been
    possible with other formats. Also, a lot of my tapes have been damaged or
    worn out over the years. I am not saying that mp3s last forever or that the
    discs do not get damaged. However, I have lost a lot of good stuff on
    cassettes. Maybe it was my fault, maybe the tapes were cheap and maybe the
    players were not great. But the fact remains that I have lost a lot of good
    stuff. In the future I also expect to lose some of my mp3s through my own
    stupidity. Nothing last forever.
    I really enjoy listening to some of my shows. A lot of them remind me of
    being a child in England, listening to Tony Hancock or The Goons with my
    dad. Some have more recent memories like listening to the BBC Agatha
    Christie shows with my wife. I have recently enjoyed discovering new shows,
    particularly from North America, like Johnny Dollar and Mr. Keene. I am not
    a collector. This is just fun for me. I just enjoy listening to the shows.
    Of course the sound quality is important to me. If listening is hard work
    then there is no fun in listening to the show. Everybody has different
    levels of interest and different circumstances.
    Finally, I would like to say that I do not appreciate being made to feel
    that I am doing something wrong because I listen to my shows on mp3. I just
    enjoy listening to my shows.

    Love as always, David Rogers

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    Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:28:44 -0400
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Missing LONE RANGER

    In a message dated 4/15/03 6:32:46 PM, Joe Salerno writes:

>     This ep is unusual in that the Ranger is
>     hardly in it at all. He says a few lines, max of 2 in the entire ep, and
>     Tonto carries on alone - does all the work capturing the crooks while the
>     Ranger nurses his injuries sustained at the beginning of the ep. This is NOT
>     from the transition series.
>     It sounds like Beamer's voice the few time he speaks, so he is not on
>     vacation or ill that I can tell. He just plays the most minimal role in the
>     ep possible without actually being gone.  What happened here?

    ***Brace was probably away making a personal appearance as the Ranger at a
    rodeo or state fair.  Standard WXYZ operating procedure in such instances was
    to prepare a script with minimal appearances by the Ranger, and prerecord
    only those scenes before Beemer left for the personal appearance.  The
    engineer would then play the Ranger's prerecorded scenes while the rest of
    the cast performed the remainder of the show live.  You might want to
    re-listen to the show to see if you can detect a slight change in sounc
    quality in Brace's scenes. --Anthony Tollin***

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    Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:29:31 -0400
    From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Vic Perrin

    Of COURSE it was Bartel Larue!

    Brain-cramp on my [removed]

    :-)

    Too many yesterdays, on my mind.

    ;-)

    Best, Jim

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    Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 04:52:05 -0400
    From: lois@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
    and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
    over six years, same time, same channel!

    Our numerous "regulars" include one of the busiest "golden years" actors in
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    Hollywood shows; a New York actor famed for his roles in "Let's Pretend" and
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    maintainer of the best-known OTR Digest (we all know who he is)..........

    and Me

    Lois Culver
    KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
    KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
    and widow of actor Howard Culver

    (For more info, contact lois@[removed])

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    Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:02:45 -0400
    From: GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  If This Was Your FIRST Cincinnati OTR
     [removed]

         If this was your FIRST Cincinnati Old Time
    Radio Convention, please note that the attendence
    was uncharacteristically sparse this year.

         Sales at my own dealer's table were off by
    at least 90 percent, due entirely to the
    exceptionally low turnout.

         The main cause of this, I suspect, was the
    Convention being held a week earlier than its
    traditional date. (We had an even worse showing
    the single year we delayed the Convention until
    May.)

         That, plus we members of the Cincinnati OTR
    Club have gotten exceptionally lazy as to
    advertising. In the "old days" we put up
    advertising posters throughout five states and
    arranged for extensive local radio publicity. (I
    took charge of my own University of Cincinnati
    neighborhood.) Today, we depend on repeat
    attendees and on word-of-mouth.

         Gotta get that advertising program
    re-galvanized, and establish more co-operation in
    this regard between our club and the redoubtable
    Robert Newman's Radio Listeners' Lyceum. This has
    been the post-Convention scuttlebutt around the
    Cincinnati Old Time Radio community.

         All this is just a long way 'round of saying
    that if you liked THIS Convention, you'll REALLY
    like a GOOD one!

         P. S. Next year will be Cincy Con XVIII. We
    must be doing SOMETHING right.

         Sincerely,

         George Wagner
         GWAGNEROLDTIMERADIO@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:03:19 -0400
    From: GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  MP3s

         Given my druthers, I'd prefer all my radio
    programs to be preserved on single-direction,
    one-track-only reel-to-reel tapes recorded at 15
    ips.

         Financial circumstances render that
    impossible.

         Thus MPs have quite literally been an answer
    to prayer - new radio programs as opposed to NO
    new radio programs.

         It is NOT my storage medium of choice. It IS
    my storage medium of NECCESSITY.

         But the goal should not be how many
    30-minute programs (75, 100, even more) that we
    can cram onto a single disc. That becomes almost
    pornographic. 10 - 20 programs per disc, as
    contrasted with two per cassette, strikes me an
    excellent compromise.

         Nothing has damaged our pursuit more than
    collectors who believe that 100,000 programs is
    automatically better that 20,000, even if those
    20,000 are in pristine sound and the 100,000
    smeary, bleary, muffled junk.

         Sincerely,

         George Wagner
         GWAGNEROLDTIMERADIO@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:03:41 -0400
    From: Derek Tague <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Apologies/Perrin & Blanc

    Hi Gang:

        The  17th Annual Cincinnati OTR & Nostalgia Convention  was terrific.
    It was great to see everybody again, esp'ly the Hughes family.
        To each & every "Digest"-er: I'd like to profoundly  apologize for all the
    havoc my e-mail  acount's instant vacation auto-reply [removed]'m still kinda
    new to  the Internet and I had not realized that news that I was away on
    vacation in Cincy would trigger a response to everybody on this list. Thanks,
    Charlie, for sorting it all out.
        About Vic Perrin: I remember him dying  sometime in July 1989  around the
    same time as Mel Blanc and Jim Backus. TV Guide ran a tribute to this
    triumvirate of famous voice artists--Mel mostly for his W-B cartoon work, Jim
    for "Mister Magoo," & Vic for being the "control  voice" at the beginning of
    TV's "The Outer Limits."
        Readers might remember that Mel Blanc died the day before Sir Laurence
    Olivier.  I went into work about a half-hour after hearing about Olivier's
    death as a news-breaker on CNN. When I got to work, I said to a gathering of
    elderly lady co-workers, "Did you hear Laurence Olivier  died?" Familiar with
    my demeanor, one of the ladies said, "OK,  Derek, what's the joke?"
        "It's no joke; I heard it on CNN about a half-hour ago."
        The women started reminiscing about some of Sir Laurence's greatest
    Shakespearean turns to such a point where I said to myself "Hello! Mel Blanc's
    body isn't even cold yet." This thought ended up diplomatically  being voiced
    as "Yeah. Olivier was [removed] he was no Mel Blanc!"
        One lady hazarded, "Who's Mel Blanc?" Another replied, "Oh, he just died,
    too. He was the voice of 'Donald' Duck."
        Knowing full well that these ladies were in a serious need of a crash
    course in animation history, I did feel the urge to explain that Mel Blanc
    voiced DAFFY Duck & not DONALD, but I walked away from the conversation saying
    to myself, "This is not worth it."
        I think it was Jerry Lewis who once said "For those who understand, no
    explanation is necessary. For those who don't understand, no explanation is
    possible."

    "Th-th-that's ether, folks!"

    Derek Tague

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    Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:03:53 -0400
    From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio discovery announced
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     From Wednesday's Washington Post:

    LOS ANGELES - Rare recordings of a radio broadcast on the Lindbergh
    trial and a landmark TV drama have been discovered, the Museum of
    Television & Radio said Tuesday.

    [removed]
    John Henley

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    Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:04:52 -0400
    From: "Randall Miller Jr." <rfmillerjr1@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  A New Find

    I got this from the stations AP wire service.
    I am not Elizabeth (inside joke?)

    04-15 0238

    (Los Angeles - AP)-- The Museum of Television and Radio says it's
    found the only known recording of radio coverage of the Lindbergh
    kidnapping trial.
    The Museum, which has facilities in New York and Los Angeles, has
    received five hours of recordings by attorney Samuel Leibowitz.  New
    York Station W-H-N hired Leibowitz, known for his defense of the
    Scottsboro Boys, to offer daily commentary on the trial.
    Although jundreds of reporters covered the 1935 trial, almost none of
    the radio broadcasts were recorded.
    Leibowitz's commentaries, recorded on metal disks, were owned by his
    children.
    They had one more surprise for the museum: a complete kinescope of the
    C-B-S T-V drama "Twelve Angrey Men." The jury room drama has not been
    seen in its entirety since its original broadcast in 1954.  It was
    made into a movie in 1957 starring Henry Fonda.  Because of his
    interest in the law, Leibowitz had requested a copy of the broadcast
    version from C-B-S.

    Enjoy
    -- Randy Miller, Senior Engineer WITF-TV/FM Radio PA

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