Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #269
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Date: 9/5/2005 10:18 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 269
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: Bogart in Bacall to Arms          [ Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed]; ]
      Re: Bacall to Arms                    [ Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed]; ]
      New Orleans area Digest Posters       [ "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed] ]
      9-5 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Tracy was originally who?             [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
      THE BOGIE MAN WILL GET YOU            [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      Johnnie Ray                           [ Lee Munsick <damyankeeinva@earthlin ]
      Cinnamon Bear; Johnnie Ray            [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
      MANTAN MORELAND                       [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
      NBC CHIMES                            [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
      Re: Voicework in Bacall To Arms       [ Rodney Bowcock <pasttense_78@yahoo. ]
      Sponsor's products                    [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]

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    Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:48:45 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Bogart in Bacall to Arms

>     But  I'm familiar with that short, and I think it's highly possible that
>     that's not  Mel
>     (talented as he was, he didn't do EVERYTHING at  Warner's.)

    Craig, you are correct. That Bogart imitation was done by the comedian
    Dave Barry (no relation to the columnist).

    Jim Widner

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    Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 00:49:03 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Bacall to Arms

    [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     If the film in question is "Bacall to Arms," which takes place in a movie
>     theatre,
>     then I think the "Bogey Go-Cart: in that film was voiced by an actor named
>     Robert Bruce.

    Cast credits include:
    Mel Blanc as the Theatre Patron
    Dave Barry as the Bogey character
    Robert Bruce as the Newsreel Narrator.

    Jim Widner

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    Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:28:09 -0400
    From: "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  New Orleans area Digest Posters

      I am from Louisiana but 200 miles from New Orleans so wasn't affected by
    Katrina but would like to know if any of the posters to the digest are from
    the New Orleans area and would like to hear their stories of how they were
    affected by Hurricane Katrina. Also would like to hear from those posters
    who were affected by Katrina in Mississippi and Alabama.
    Andrew Godfrey

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    Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:28:16 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  9-5 births/deaths

    September 5th births

    09-05-1892 - Joseph Szigeti - Budapest, Austria-Hungary - d. 2-19-1973
    violinist: "Camel Caravan"; "Elgin Christmas Party"; "Concert Hall"
    09-05-1895 - Craig Earl - Great Barrington, MA - d. 8-xx-1985
    quizmaster: "Professor Quiz"
    09-05-1897 - Arthur Nielsen - Chicago, IL - d. 6-1-1980
    Founder of the Nielsen Ratings
    09-05-1897 - Doris Kenyon - Syracuse, NY - d. 9-1-1979
    actress: Ann "Crossroads"
    09-05-1897 - Morris Carnovsky - St. Louis, MO - d. 9-1-1992
    actor: Adam Bassett "Prairie Folks"; Mr. Kriss "Into the Light"
    09-05-1902 - Darryl Zanuck - Wahoo, NE - d. 12-22-1979
    film director: "Jack Benny Program"; "Hollywood Hotel"; "Triburte to Irving
    Berlin"
    09-05-1907 - Jimmy Wallington - Rochester, NY - d. 12-22-1972
    announcer: "Chase & Sanborn Hour"; "Texaco Town/Star Theatre"; "Alan Young
    Show"
    09-05-1908 - Gloria Holden - London, England - d. 3-22-1991
    actress: Janet Archer "Meet Corliss Archer"
    09-05-1910 - Kenny Delmar - Boston, MA - d. 7-14-1984
    actor: Beauregard Claghorn "Fred Allen Show"; Commissioner Weston "The Shadow"
    09-05-1912 - John Cage - Los Angeles, CA - d. 8-12-1992
    composer: "The Columbia Workshop"
    09-05-1914 - Nancy Ordway - Fort Warden, WA
    actress: Helen Holden "Helen Holden, Government Girl"
    09-05-1916 - Frank Yerby - Augusta, GA - d. 11-29-1991
    author: "Best Seller"
    09-05-1934 - Carol Lawrence - Melrose Park, IL
    singer: "New Faces of 1948"

    September 5th deaths

    01-10-1927 - Gisele Mackenzie - Winnipeg, Canada - d. 9-5-2003
    singer: "[removed] Woolworth Hour"; "Mario Lanza Show"; "Club 15"; "Meet Giesele"
    02-07-1901 - Bob Stevenson - d. 9-5-1970
    announcer: "Life with Luigi"
    03-10-1918 - Heywood Hale Broun - New York City, NY - d. 9-5-2001
    cbs sports commentator: "Biography In Sound"
    05-28-1899 - Richard Lane - Rice Lake, WI - d. 9-5-1982
    actor: Inspector Faraday "Boston Blackie"
    06-22-1922 - Joe Siracuso - Cleveland, OH - d. 9-5-1997
    drummer: "The Spike Jones Show"
    07-27-1912 - Irve Tunick - New York, NY - d. 9-5-1987
    writer: "The Cavalcade of America"; "You Are There"
    08-06-1922 - Jackie Kelk - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-5-2002
    actor: Jimmy Olsen "Advs. of Superman"; Homer Brown "Aldrich Family"
    08-27-1921 - Leo Penn - d. 9-5-1998
    actor, film director: "Family Theatre"; "Hollywood Calling: George Fisher
    Interviews"
    09-16-1914 - Allen Funt - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-5-1999
    host: "Candid Microphone"
    12-24-1910 - Fritz Leiber - Chicago, IL - d. 9-5-1992
    science fiction writer: "X Minus One"; "Future Tense"; "Audion Theatre"
    12-24-1910 - Mitchell Ayres - Milwaukee, WI (Raised: New York City, NY) - d.
    9-5-1969
    bandleader: "Dunninger Show"; "Chesterfield Supper Club"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:28:46 -0400
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Tracy was originally who?

    Thanks to Digesters Michael Shoshani and Craig Wichman for saving my
    bacon regarding that Tracy/Patterson mistake.

    Since I was not around in 1931, I had relied upon my omnibus
    "Encyclopedia of Comics" which said, in part, regarding the creation of
    Tracy, "originally named by Captain Joseph Patterson." Failing
    eyesight, or computer gremlins, changed "named by" to just "called,"
    giving my sentence a left turn into serious error.

    Fortunately, the Digest has alert researchers like Michael and Craig to
    catch inaccuracies and save us all from promulgating baloney.

    Much obliged, [removed]

    Jack "Red-faced" French

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    Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:29:03 -0400
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  THE BOGIE MAN WILL GET YOU

    The toon appeared as a bonus in Dark Passage.

    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:30:40 -0400
    From: Lee Munsick <damyankeeinva@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Johnnie Ray

    The recent comment about the sudden and complete disappearance of Johnnie Ray
    was understandable, but does not reflect reality.

    In the early and mid 1960s I worked for a firm which produced fund-raising
    shows in about a 5-6 state area around New York City.  I was a Jaycee (long
    since achieved the status they call "Exhausted Rooster"), and most of the
    programs were benefits for Jaycee chapters.  The one-night specials, usually
    raised the bulk of the budget for that chapter's next-year public activities.
    Those included their golf program (from which sprung Jack Nicklaus), Teen Age
    Safe Driving Road-E-Os, etc.

    Our enthusiastically-received, sold-out performances included such performers
    as puppeteers Bil and Cora Baird (loved 'em); the Glenn Miller and Jimmy
    Dorsey orchestras; Woody Herman and Harry James with their bands, Jose'
    Melis, Carmen Cavallaro, Liberace, Pearl Bailey, Joseph Dunninger, Max
    Morath, and others  -- and Johnnie Ray.  Most of these, you may recall, were
    OTR veterans.

    Max Morath was a constant guest and became a good friend and advisor of
    Arthur Godfrey.  He has been credited by many including Marvin Hamlisch with
    bringing about the revival of public interest in Ragtime music, particularly
    Scott Joplin.  I am proud to say that Max and I became and remain friends.
    Our Yesteryear Museum annual fundraising program (which I produced on my own
    using the same techniques) featured Max and his various Broadway and
    off-Broadway programs in three different years.  Max is still at it;
    introduced a new show in New York City about a year ago.

    With the exception of Jose' Melis, all of these folk were delightful,
    friendly, non-egotistic people that made working with them an absolute joy.
    Most were in effect auditioning new shows.  Our operation gave them a week of
    performances before varied audiences, a half-dozen one-night stands in
    different cities.  The Bairds erected their own stage on the permanent
    auditorium stage, to downsize the venue for their puppets (even so, some of
    which were 4 to 6 feet tall), with the permanent curtains trimmed in against
    theirs.  Unlike the other performances I put together, the Bairds in addition
    to constructing and taking down their entire staging venue, also did two
    physically demanding shows each day; a children's matinee in addition to the
    evening performance.

    I have wonderful memories of all but one of these different performers and
    aggregations.  Many of them included incidents which generated some
    remarkable, touching, often funny stories.  I should put them all together
    and write them up!  Liberace's brilliant handling of a broken piano treble
    string has been related here.  Pearl Bailey was a hoot!  Harry James was
    annoyed by, but patiently and pleasantly handled the annoying, constant
    questioning, "Is Betty Grable here with you?"

    It could fairly be said that many of these acts were arguably "nostalgic",
    but none was a has-been.  Johnnie Ray was far more talented than I had
    realized, and just a delight on and off stage.   His fame was not - as some
    think - confined to "Cry" and "The Little White Cloud That Cried", two hits
    that included a record collector's delight in the revival of the
    nearly-dormant Okeh label, a Columbia subsidiary.  Ray wrote the latter song,
    and his delivery of both and other songs was visually as well as audibly very
    emotional.

    He and I were delighted to find that we shared the same birth date, although
    he was 9 years older than I.  I am certain that most of his audience never
    realized that Ray was profoundly deaf.  Yet his personal and stage banter and
    presence never betrayed the fact, unless one got close enough to see his
    hearing aids, which helped him a little.

    He also was typical of the others I mention, that worked for years in the 50s
    and 60s in various night clubs, supper clubs, and casinos.  For the present
    observer who was not a regular partaker in the latter venues and did not read
    Variety or Billboard (that describes most Americans), this part of their
    careers understandably would have gone unnoticed.

    That does not mean that these folks disappeared after their last big hit
    dropped off the charts.  That would be like thinking the careers of most film
    actors ended once they won an Oscar.  Yes, there were one-hit wonders,
    especially in the recording field, but none of those I mention here were
    such.  Obviously, that kind of performer could not have sustained constantly
    renewed appearances of anything more, perhaps, than clinging on as an opening
    act singing just that one or two hit songs, there to get the live audience
    prepped for the appearance of Frank Sinatra, Lucille Ball, Bob Hope, or the
    like.

    Lee Munsick

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    Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 13:00:09 -0400
    From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cinnamon Bear;  Johnnie Ray

    The Cinnamon Bear continues to be broadcast in Portland, Oregon, sixty
    eight years after it debuted. Portland's answer to the late, great  Herb
    Caen--- Jonathan Nicholas---  reported this morning in  THE
    [removed] "Cinnamon Bear just won't die. The cruise ship the
    Portland Spirit is planning a Cinnamon Bear Brunch Cruise for December and
    will sponsor a local broadcast of all 26 episodes, first aired in 1937, on
    radio station K103 FM."   This is great news for all of Paddy O'Cinnamon's
    fans.

    ++++++

    Dallas, Oregon native, Johnnie Ray, who was discovered along with Jane
    Powell (Suzanne Burce) by Uncle Nate' s "Stars of Tomorrow," is the subject
    of an engrossing book CRY by Jonny Whiteside (Barricade Books, 1994).
    Whiteside details Johnnie's unique relationship with Dorothy Kilgallen,
    which connects to OTR through Dorothy's husband, Dick  "Boston Blackie"
    Kollmar.  This bizarre and tragic triangle could never have been imagined
    when Johnnie was an unaffected, hardworking, Oregon farm boy.  His ability
    to become a major, well remembered singing star,  is all the more
    significant  when one considers that Ray's hearing was almost completely
    gone by age 12.

    Dennis Crow

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    Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:08:54 -0400
    From: PURKASZ@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  MANTAN MORELAND
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>     09-03-1901 - Mantan Moreland - Monroe, LA - d.  9-28-1973

        Sitting  here reading the birthday notice of Mantan Moreland I was
    transported  back to my small garret in an A-frame house in Eastern end of
    Sunset
    Boulevard  in Hollywood in the early 1970s.
        Summer night, I  had just moved in, had a script to read of a movie I was
    going to do called  PAYDAY with Rip Torn but mostly I had a huge load of
    laundry to do and had  noticed a laundromat around the corner in a residential
    neighborhood where  Hollywood Boulevard meets Sunset.
        I was driving a  two-toned, gray 1941 Packard that I'd bought for five
    hundred bucks the week  before. Loaded the car with my laundry about seven in
    the evening and set  about the work of sitting and reading amidst the hum and
    whirl of laundromat  noises.
        I noticed a man  walking around my car parked outside.
        Smiling he  walked inside and asked who owned the old Packard. He was a
    well dressed black  man in his early 60s, so it seemed to me that I might get
    a
    story from  him.
        I said it was  mine and indeed he did have several tales to tell about
    having that very car  when he moved to Hollywood in late forties.
        We chatted a  bit and then an idea hit him.
        He then asked  me if I would be kind enough to drive him about a block
    away to where a  friend of his would be sitting as he always did on his
    verandah.
        His laughter  was infectious.
        He would love  to see me pulling up in this car he said.
        Not feeling  threatened by this unusual request and in fact enjoying the
    idea myself, I  agreed.
        I had an hour  to wait for the dryer anyway.
        Off we went.
    Warm summer  night in Hollywood, driving along Sunset Boulevard with a
    stranger spinning  yarns, I considered myself lucky to have a break from the
    laundry
     tedium.
        We made a right  off Sunset's neon harshness, then another and the
    streets got very dark and  the houses very old, in fine condition with
    manicured
    lawns and well-lit  verandahs.
        "Pull over  here," he said.
        I slid the  great gray beast over to the right side of the road and he
    leaned out the  window and said to no one in particular that I could see, in
    fact there were  no people to be seen at all,
        "Hello my  friend. I'd like to you to meet somebody.
        He opened his  door, so did I and we walked towards a large house.
    Sitting on the steps was a  lone black man, sipping something from a cup.
    Soon as he
    saw the car he stood  and now began to smile then laugh and walk towards us.
        He was  introduced to me as Mantan Moreland and it took me a while to
    search my brain  for that name as this was in 1972 and the nostalgia craze
    for a
    lot of these  guys had yet to kick in.
        It became  clearer when I heard his voice and then I knew I was in the
    presence of  Hollywood Royalty shall we say.
        We sipped beer  and talked well into the night. I even took him for a
    short spin in the car  but he said he had been ill and was not very strong so
    we
    took it very  easy.
        Then I  remembered my laundry!
        It was long  after closing and everything I owned was in that dryer!!!
        Bidding my good  nights, warm handshakes and a night spent with two gents
    from an era long  past, I drove back into a kind of strident neon-reality
    when I hit the  Boulevard.
        I wanted to  get back home and find something in B&W on TV.
        I do not  remember the other man's name, he was a friend of Mantan's but
    he was not in  the biz I recall.
        A warm summer  night in Hollywood.
        My laundry was  still there the next day.
        A few shirts  were missing though.
        Small price to  pay for a memorable night sitting in the semi-darkness
    chatting with a man  named Mantan who been 'there' as we say.
                    Michael C.  Gwynne

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    Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:09:01 -0400
    From: PURKASZ@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  NBC CHIMES
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    "This  is
    the National Broadcasting Company,  "bong, bong, bong",   NBC.  You heard
    it just then, didn't you?

    Because General Electric Corporation owned NBC at  the time, the notes on
    those bongs were, G, E, C.
                        MCG  (sadly, not playable)
                Michael  C. Gwynne

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    Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 15:09:11 -0400
    From: Rodney Bowcock <pasttense_78@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Voicework in Bacall To Arms
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    Actually, my guess (and that of a couple of people that I had consulted) is
    that you're hearing Dave Barry as Bogey. I'm not sure if that's Sara Berner
    as Bacall or not, but it could be.  All I know for sure is that it's most
    certainly not Mel Blanc as Bogart.

    Rodney Bowcock
    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:01:44 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Sponsor's products

        There is something I've often wondered about.
        On programs did the stars have regular free access to the sponsor's
    product, as well as being paid by the sponsor?  What I mean is say a
    show is sponsored by a automobile company, did the sponsor supply the
    star with a car they made as well as picking up the tab for the show?
    If so was just to use for that year and then another the next season or
    given free and clear to the person?  The same applies to such items as
    radio's, phonograph's, etc.
        I have read where sometimes if a product is mentioned on a show (for
    instance say Coca Cola) the next day cases of Coke would appear on
    various doorsteps of writers, performers, etc.  Did the same thing apply
    to higher cost items (cars, etc).
        TIA,  Joe

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