Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #97
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 3/2/2003 6:08 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 97
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      More Lone Ranger Movie                [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      Re: Los What?                         [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      The Reid Family                       [ "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed] ]
      OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE for  [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
      Pittsburgh "Talk Show"                [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      Los Angeles pronounciation            [ "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@sbcglob ]
      Acknowleging a date error             [ "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
      Eddie Cantor & Arthur Godfrey         [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      Reveille With Beverly                 [ Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed]; ]
      Lewis and Clark                       [ Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed] ]
      Party Line                            [ "Albert J. Kopec" <alkb2ng@[removed] ]
      KDKA's Party Line                     [ "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm ]
      WB Lone Ranger                        [ Christopher Werner <werner1@globalc ]
      New Old Radio                         [ Zharold138@[removed] ]
      Los WHAT?                             [ "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed]; ]
      gays on radio                         [ "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@neb. ]
      Re: Peggy Ann Garner                  [ "Penne Yingling" <bp_ying@[removed] ]

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:54:11 -0500
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  More Lone Ranger Movie

    I wasn't going to post on this movie, but when I read Lawwrence Albert's
    observation of the first scene in the movie of no stage coach or wagon
    ruts (which I didn't notice) I had to tell you what I did notice in the
    same shot.  The stage coach was approaching the town and he (I forget
    his name already) sticks his head out of the window grinning at a town
    that he couldn't possibly see at that angle.
    I managed to last for the first hour before turning it off.  I've just
    ordered a bunch of OTR Lone Ranger episodes which I'm sure will give me
    much more pleasure than that movie gave anyone.

    George Aust

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:54:35 -0500
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Los What?

    James Altenburg's observation about the pronunciation of the the City of
    Los Angeles was an interesting one that I've thought about often,,
    especially listening to OTR that originated from [removed]
    There was  in the 40's and 50's (and I'm quite sure earlier) the two
    camps each sure that theirs was the correct pronunciation.  Los
    Anng-less (with a hard "g")often was intoned with a pronounce nasal
    midwest twang, and I always suspected that it originated with midwest
    arrivals.
    My family (on my mothers side) were pioneers here and they pronounced it
    with the soft "g".  This way it sounded like its original meaning "city
    of the angels". Actually though the Spanish (not the Mexicans) who named
    the pueblo did not pronounce it either way. It was something like "Lowce
    Ongoleez   It was with a hard "g  but that is because that is how they
    pronounce angels.
           Sometime in the 1960's ( and that is a real guess on my part) the
    city council voted that the correct pronunciation was with a soft "g".
    But by that time the great majority of Angelenos already pronounced it
    that way, so there was little or no controversy over their decision.
    Once again the politicians were playing it safe.

            You might be surprised to know that the official name of the
    city until quite recently was "Pueblo de la Reyna de Los Angeles". Quite
    a mouthful. Most of us out here don't mind how you pronounce it and in
    fact most people just say [removed]! Thats fine with me except when I hear a
    San Franciscan  say it. In those cases I just retort "so how do you like
    living in FRISCO!"

    George Aust

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:54:48 -0500
    From: "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Reid Family

    <<Catching up on earlier posts about The Lone Ranger:>>

    Let's see, there was the Texas Ranger, John Reid (The LR) and his Nephew,
    Dan Reid who visited his Uncle out West from back East in the Summer and he
    rode "Victor," the offspring of the LR's great white horse, "Silver" while
    his faithful Indian companion, Tonto rode "Paint" (or "Big Fella" in earlier
    episodes).  And  then,  The Green Hornet was, in reality, Brett Reid (The
    LR's Cousin?) and his faithful valet, Kato would help him into Black Beauty
    (his car, not horse).

    See the similarities here?  White horse, Black car.  Faithful Kato and
    Faithful Tonto, and both were masked relatives. Has anyone noticed that the
    plots of the two show's episodes often sound very similar, one script was
    set in the West, the same story line takes place in an Eastern city? Not in
    the same broadcast week, of course.

    It is all was great material to hear as a kid and after awhile, I could tell
    exactly what kind of episode the LR would get into with the different,
    opening music strains  (a train robbery story; an ambush at the pass;  Tonto
    needs help; a new identity for the LR like an Old Prospector and going into
    town, etc.)

     "Heigh-ho" and "Better hurry, Mister Brett!"  The memories linger on!
    Thanks,  George W. Trendle and Fran Striker, wherever you are!

    Russ Butler  oldradio@[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:54:54 -0500
    From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE for week
     of: 03/02/03

    Here's this week's lineup of OTR memories - streaming 24/7 at:
    [removed]    -   New shows start every Sunday

    SAME TIME,  SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges:
    A Trio of shows from  SCREEN DIRECTOR'S PLAYHOUSE -
    1. 08/21/51 - "[removed]"    starring Edmund O'Brien
    2. 05/26/50 - "Flamingo Road"   stars Joan Crawford & David Bryant
    3. 09/16/49 - "Whispering Smith" stars Alan Ladd

    HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood:
    1. THE EDGAR BERGEN/CHARLIE McCARTHY SHOW   AFRS #50
    With guest,  John Robert Powers of the famed model agency.
    2. THE VILLAGE STORE    1944   NBC/AFRS    Pgm. #66 - stars
    Joan Davis and Jack Haley. Guest Edward Everett Horton tries to help
    Joan with her Income Tax for 1943.
    3. THE COLGATE SPORTS NEWSREEL   NBC   Pgm. #560  7/8/50
    Frederick March fills in for vacationing Bill Stern, and tells a tale of
    an unusual military man.

    Enjoy!!    Tom & Jerry

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:55:48 -0500
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Pittsburgh "Talk Show"

    ddunfee@[removed] wrote, in part:

>     Listening to KDKA talk shows of the 70's and 80's it was sometimes
>     mentioned that a version of a talk show was heard there but was only one
>     way.  I got the impression it was on in the 50;[removed]

    The show was "Party Line". I used to listen to it all the time in the
    '50's. I don't know if it was on in the '40's. The hosts were a
    husband-and-wife team. Her name was Wendy; I think his name was Ed (but I'm
    not sure about that). I don't remember their married name, but that info
    might be available through <[removed]>.
    They took calls from listeners "off-air" then repeated the
    comments/questions on-air, and answered the listeners' questions. They knew
    a lot about a lot of subjects, but I had the impression that they also had
    access to a bunch of reference books in the studio.
    The "Party Line" show also encouraged listeners to mail-in their questions,
    some of which would be answered on-air.
    I don't know if the format was dictated by any FCC rules; I thought it was
    more a matter of "self-censorship" to meet the audience tastes of the time.
    (Only later did I hear of a "seven second delay" for radio talk shows;
    maybe there wasn't such a thing earlier.)
    In any case, "Party Line" probably wouldn't fly as a radio "talk show",
    even with "real-time" calls from listeners because:
     - Most listeners' questions/comments were in the line of 'What do I do if
    my parakeet's tail feathers fall off? Will they grow back?' (Too tame;
    politics, etc. were not addressed.)
     - No expletives would be allowed to be uttered by callers OR HOSTS.

    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:55:59 -0500
    From: "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Los Angeles pronounciation

    I've been wanting to know the answer to this question myself, though I don't
    remember hearing it on OTR shows all that much, but I have heard it more
    than enough times to take [removed]'ve also heard it by one local KHJ
    announcer on a 1931 recording.

    When I grew up in the '60s and lived on that area, many of the long-time
    radio and TV people on the air in [removed] pronounced the name of the city with
    a hard g, Los [removed] everyone I knew said it, Loss-An-je-less with
    the soft [removed]

    In my own mind, I thought the hard g came from the original Spanish
    pronounciation of Los [removed] like I was right, according to this
    information I found on the Los Angeles Almanac Web site:

    Pronouncing "Los Angeles"

    There was once heated debate over how to pronounce "Los Angeles." Although
    the name is now commonly pronounced "Loss An-je-les," its original Spanish
    pronunciation is "Loce Ahng-hail-ais." Non-Spanish speaking Angelenos seemed
    to prefer the harder-sounding anglicized version. During the 1920s and
    1930s, the Los Angeles Times vigorously defended the Spanish pronunciation
    and printed directly below its editorial page masthead, "LOS ANGELES (Loce
    Ahng hail ais)." When the [removed] Geographic Board recognized the anglicized
    version in 1934, the Times was outraged, declaring that the pronunciation
    made the city "sound like some brand of fruit preserve." The newspaper
    further suggested that Easterners plotted to deprive the West Coast of its
    softer-sounding Spanish names, proposing that California would next have to
    tolerate such place names as "Sandy Ego," "San Joce," and "San Jokkin." In
    all fairness, however, the Times did not express the same distain for the
    prevalent pronunciation of San Pedro as "San Pee-dro" rather than the
    Spanish "San Pey-dro."

    This explains why the anglicized version with the hard g was heard a lot
    back then, but it doesn't say when and why the version used commonly since
    the 1950s, Los An-je-less came into use.   Maybe that started when so many
    people moved to Southern California after WWII from other parts of the
    country.

    jh

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:56:14 -0500
    From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Acknowleging a date error

    Sorry about that.  I ought to know what year The Lone Ranger broadcast the
    Dan Reid origin series, but I was relying on a faulty memory.  For those of
    you who read my mistake, the year was 1942, just as Anthony Tollin said, not
    1943.  What did one of you say about "CRAFT" disease?

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:56:44 -0500
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Eddie Cantor & Arthur Godfrey

    I had written for information about an Eddie Cantor Show on which Arthur
    Godfrey appeared, according to material obtained from the Library of
    Congress searching under Mr. Godfrey's name.

    As a collector of Godfrey material, I wanted to obtain a copy of this
    particular 1954 program.

    In the process of looking up the Cantor schedule trying to decipher
    [removed]'s enigmatic dating system, I learned from John Dunning's masterful
    book that in its last few years, Mr. Cantor's program became a sort of disc
    jockey program, I guess somewhat along the lines of the latter-day Amos 'n
    Andy shows.

    I am indebted to OTR friend Brian Gari for filling in the remaining, albeit
    brief, information.  Brian is Eddie Cantor's grandson.  He informed me that
    the March 11, 1954 program sole Cantor reference to Arthur Godfrey was his
    playing of Mr. Godfrey's recording of "I'm In Love With You, Honey", along
    with some standard complimentary remarks.  Thanks so much for your help,
    Brian.  I do appreciate it!

    Just goes to show one has to be careful with citations and credits, even
    when supplied by the Library of Congress!

    Bestus, Lee Munsick             That Godfrey Guy

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:57:04 -0500
    From: Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed];
    To: submit item <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Reveille With Beverly

     I was reading about a show that was called " Reveille
    With Beverly " and as I have not had the opportunity
    to ever hear one of her shows I was wondering if
    anyone had any one of the shows and would sell me one
    to listen to.
    Pete   pappleyard_ca@[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:58:16 -0500
    From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Lewis and Clark

    Horizons West was done by Armed Forces Radio and recorded at Capitol
    Records.

    I   have commented before about the vagaries of casting. My playing
    Merriwether Lewis is another example.
    The part was originally assigned to a young movie actor whose name I cannot
    recall. I had been  called to play another part in the first episode. After
    the first table run-through, the producer   had discovered that while  his
    Merriwether  Lewis was handsome as all get-out, he couldn't read his own
    name. So here is a recording studio all rented, a cast assembled, time
    marching on and no star. There was a conference in the booth, I became
    Merriwether Lewis and the other parts including the one I was originally
    assigned were redistributed. And my  one day job turned into thirteen weeks.

    The army presented me with a very impressive album that included a letter of
    appreciation and a whole series of publicity releases and  promos for use in
    army posts around the world. For years the album sat in my closet and then I
    sent it to Sperdvac to be copied. To the best of my knowledge that it is how
    it became available to the public.

    Harry Bartell

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:58:49 -0500
    From: "Albert J. Kopec" <alkb2ng@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Party Line

    I still fondly recall listening to KDKA's "Party Line" on many an evening in
    the late 50's and early 60's.  Hosted by the husband and wife team of Ed and
    Wendy King, it was a most pleasant and relaxing way to end the day.  Wendy,
    in particular, had one of those "warm fuzzy"  voices, which I can still hear
    in my mind's ear after all these many years.  Their theme song was
    "Moonlight Becomes You", and they would often run simple contests:  How many
    roller coasters are there in the Pittsburgh area?  (There were 13 at the
    time.)  I'm not sure anymore if this was for real or not, but I recall one
    of their commercials was for "Old Frankenslosch, the Stale, Pale Ale with
    the Foam on the Bottom."  It was a very sweet program that stands in stark
    contrast to the political lunacy which has pervaded the AM airwaves in more
    recent years.

    Albert J. Kopec
    Dundee, New York

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 17:59:22 -0500
    From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  KDKA's Party Line

    Hello All:

    To the person who wrote:

>     Listening to KDKA talk shows of the 70's and 80's it was sometimes
>     mentioned that a version of a talk show was heard there but was only one
>     way.  I got the impression it was on in the 50;s at least and perhaps even
>     the 40's.  It was said that a caller could not be put on air as it broke
>     some FCC rule.  The host, Windy someone as I recall, would converse with
>     the caller and provide enough information so the listeners could follow the
>     conversation.  The show might have had "Party" as part of the name.

    The show you refer to was "Party Line" featuring the husband and wife team
    of Ed and Wendy King.  It ran on KDKA from 1950 until Ed King's death in
    1971.  You are correct in that the only voices you heard were Ed and
    Wendy's.  They would repeat (or paraphrase)what the callers said and reply.
    This was at least partly due to the fact that there was a trivia question
    asked every night. Callers who gave the right answer won a modest prize such
    as  a pen and pencil set.  Since the callers' voices weren't heard there
    could be any number of winners.  Ed and Wendy also gave a topic for letter
    writing each month and would read out the letters (or at least the better
    ones) that they received.  I don't live near Pittsburgh, but I could get
    KDKA on some nights when reception was good, and the show had listeners up
    and down the east coast.  The show was really enormously entertaining. Since
    it was on during the era when tape recorders were becoming commonplace I've
    always hoped to find an OTR dealer who had this program, but so far no luck.

    For more info go to:

    [removed]

    George

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:00:23 -0500
    From: Christopher Werner <werner1@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WB Lone Ranger

    Ok, so I took a couple of days to let my first impressions sink [removed] here
    is my impression of the 'New' Lone Ranger:

    Inexperienced - the character was depicted as quite green at strategy,
    negotiation, and problem solving. He could shoot quite well. He relied
    completely on Tonto for advice in direct contradiction of the radio/OTV
    version of LR.

    Tonto is a poster child for politically correct depiction of indians. The
    LR otr program was never disrespectful of the american indian nation.
    Granted Tonto got lousy dialog, but he had a dialect. The WB indians (with
    the exception of the Shaman - as Larry Albert mentioned) had almost no
    dialect at all. The very thing that made a radio actor great was completely
    absent from the TV production. I don't know of many indians that know Kung
    Fu. I think the special effects folks wanted to use those high jumping
    wire-rigging effect that Dark Angel and Birds of Prey (Hunter) made so
    popular (not to mention Mutant X ....). Totally out of character for the
    1880's. Much of the program came across as a commercial for the wisdom of
    native americans. Yup, they were smart, wise, spiritual, ecologically
    correct, and misunderstood. Whiteman was greedy, untrustworthy, and
    generally on the wrong side of history. But that had very little to do with
    Tonto and LR in the OTR world, they were ok, it was everyone else that they
    policed that had the wrong attitude. Perhaps this would have been less
    tedious if the political correct message had been spread out over 26 episodes.

    Right time, wrong tune. Nice set, pleasant western town. Music was in
    keeping with the WB/Smallville 'modern rock band du jour' practice of
    letting some band whose style has nothing to do with the period do the
    music for the show. sigh.

    My favorite failed scene is one in which LR is to go through a life change
    spiritual experience by being left in the sun alone all day. He exclaims
    "I'm left alone in the hot sun with no water" (I paraphrase from memory) as
    the camara pans a vista showing a large lake over the next ridge. That's
    one thing about the Santa Ana mountains north of LA, they are green with
    [removed] not a dessert like Dallas. sigh.

    Worst Tonto line: "Knowledge is Power" since when did Apache read Greek
    philosophy??

    The LR dream sequence with Tonto's sister (joining him in a bath) was
    totally out of character for the 'honorable' LR of OTR history.

    I accept the youth of LR (heck he was on OTR for 40 years, he must have
    started young!), at least Tonto was still an Indian and still male. The
    sets were pretty good, although most action was in the field. There were
    points where there was *way* too much dialog, for strangers to be quite as
    chatty.

    On a scale of 57 I give it a 35.

    Chris

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 18:40:43 -0500
    From: Zharold138@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  New Old Radio
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain

            Hi Anybody,
       I'd like to announce to anyone in the [removed],[removed] that old time radio
    returns tonight at midnight tonight (central daylight savings time, thank GOD
    not wartime) and every Sunday night in [removed] on [removed] KDHX [removed] on your
    [removed] dial.
       Hosted by:Ron , Mike , and me Roy (Harold) and we hope it takes off as we
    know how we need old time radio to keep us going.
       any requests either e-mail me or the website at <A
    HREF="[removed]">[removed]</A>.

                    THANKS FOR LISTENING, RON,ROY, AND MIKE
                    Till Next Time,Harold Zeigler

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 19:59:38 -0500
    From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
    To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Los WHAT?

    In the 40's and 50's, KFI  Los Angeles announcers were directed to pronounce
    our city  "Lahs-ANN-Jell-us"

    Lois Culver
    KWLK Radio (Mutual) Longview, WA 1941-44
    KFI Radio (NBC) Los Angeles CA 1945-47, 50-53
    Widow of Howard Culver, actor

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:01:27 -0500
    From: "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@[removed];
    To: "old time radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  gays on radio

    Hi all:
    I was listening to an episode of Dragnet yesterday, (The Big Mole,
    12/09/52), and I believe I heard the depiction of a gay art dealer in this
    story.  This got me to wondering if and how gays were portrayed on radio.
    I'm certain the portrayal wasn't favorable.  The only example I can think of
    is Frank Nelson's flaming Floor Walker on Jack Benny.  I also seem to
    remember an episode of Johnny Dollar wherein Johnny said something like, "he
    was hardly that kind, but I thought I caught a whiff of perfume."
    Now, I'm not trying to start a debate on homosexuality and the media here.
    This is more of a curiosity.  Any thoughts on this?
    RyanO

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    Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:01:45 -0500
    From: "Penne Yingling" <bp_ying@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Peggy Ann Garner

    Mr. Walden Hughes asked about Peggy Ann Garner.  For folks wanting to know,
    she passed away in Oct 1984 of pancreatic cancer.  There is a web site
    "[removed]" where you can read all about her.  Just type in her name in
    the space where it says "search the data base [removed]".  You can find info on
    almost any entertainer at that site.  Just thought I'd pass that along.
    Penne

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