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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2007 : Issue 334
                             A Part of the [removed]!
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                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Christmas shows on Radio              [ "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed] ]
      RE: Bow-Wow                           [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
      Benny and Allen on TV                 [ Rob Chatlin <rchatlin@[removed] ]
      A trilogy of current events           [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
      Robert Hall jingle -- I Doubt "Again  [ "Glenn P.," <C128User@[removed]; ]
      Jane Bishir                           [ JayHick@[removed] ]
      OTR Christmas                         [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
      Re: Waterman and his time as Gildy    [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      11-27 births/deaths                   [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      Dogs, dogs, dogs                      [ "Danica L. Stein" <furrygirl@comcas ]
      OTR News Coverage                     [ Neal Ellis <bstenor@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:32:31 -0500
    From: "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Christmas shows on Radio

    There has been some discussion about Christmas shows
    on old-time radio.

    You might be interested in [removed]
    programs. There are two one-hour specials, entitled
    "Echoes of Christmas Past" from 1967 and 1958, plus
    Golden Age of Radio Program 57, from December,
    1974, all of which referred to Christmas shows on
    old-time radio.

    - --------------------------
    Bob Scherago
    Webmaster and former WTIC Engineer
    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:33:00 -0500
    From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE: Bow-Wow

    I have a vague recollection that one of the "Thirteen by Corwin" was the
    story of a boy looking for his lost dog among a whole slew of supernatural
    characters. The kicker that comes at the end is that both boy and dog had
    been hit by a car and killed, and they somehow became separated in the
    afterlife. Anyone remember if that really was a Corwin story or was it
    something else?

    There's also a new time radio commercial featuring a Search and Rescue dog
    named Brutus. Brutus explains, in Dog, how he had rescued a little boy in an
    abandoned or wrecked building. Meanwhile there's a voiceover of a translator
    rendering Brutus' barks into English. The commercial is for the Search Dog
    Foundation and is online at
    [removed] . Enjoy.

    Thanx,
    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:33:23 -0500
    From: Rob Chatlin <rchatlin@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Benny and Allen on TV

    A trade magazine I receive for Entertainment Post Production mentions
    an upcoming (2009) PBS documentary called "Make 'Em Laugh : The Funny
    Business of America"
    that will feature some long unseen clips from Fred Allen's "Allen's
    Alley" TV show, and a "unique" (their quotes)
    behind the scenes shot of Jack Benny and Eddie Anderson looking over
    scripts. The article attributes the source
    of these materials to the "March of Time" newsreels, so I'm unsure if
    they've been available elsewhere.

    rob

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    Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:34:09 -0500
    From: <otrbuff@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  A trilogy of current events

    Frank McGurn apparently overlooked my earlier digest note when he wrote
    regarding Willard Waterman:

>     he just stated NINE Years,  but figure it out  he ended radio in

    March of  1957

    Earlier I observed:

>     In my research for The Great Radio Sitcoms, the final Gildy show I was able
>     to discover aired Thursday, March 27, 1958 at 8 [removed] ET on NBC.

    Gildersleeve persisted to at least 1958, not 1957.

    On another subject:

    I'm amazed how much has been proffered in two or three weeks about Robert
    Hall.  Man, if Marshall Fields had been able to grab that many headlines, it
    might be operating under its own appellation!  Sears and K-Mart might not be
    on troubled lists.  And Spartan and Zayre might still be around.

    On yet another topic, I've enjoyed the thread about dogs running through
    recent digests.  It reminds me of occasions I returned home to visit and
    overheard one of my parents say to the other, "It's time for the dog story!"
    They parked in front of the TV to watch the next installment of Sergeant
    Preston (and his wonder dog King).  "Dog story," I chuckled to myself ... a
    right clever, albeit apropos designation.  It was essentially the same tale
    I listened to a few years earlier when I made up pictures in my head.

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:36:29 -0500
    From: "Glenn P.," <C128User@[removed];
    To: "[The Old-Time Radio Mailing List]" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Robert Hall jingle -- I Doubt "Again"

    "Mr. Russ Butler" <SongBook2@[removed]; wrote:

>     School bells ring and children sing It's back to Robert Hall
>     again. Mother knows for better clothes, go back to Robert
>     Hall again. You'll save more on clothes for school! Shop at
>     Robert Hall!

    I'm listening to the jingle on audio, and I think the word "again"
    should not be there (on both occasions) -- [removed], that it's not
    present in the actual jingle:

    School bells ring, and children sing,
    It's back to Robert Hall;
    Mother knows, for better clothes,
    It's back to Robert Hall.
    You'll save more on clothes for school --
    Shop at Robert Hall!

    Why children should SING at hearing *school bells*, I have no idea.
    Wouldn't "puke" be a lot more like [removed]     :)

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    Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:44:19 -0500
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jane Bishir
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    John Sebastian's mother (Lovin' Spoonful), Jane Bishir or Jane Sebastian,
    wrote for radio apparently.   Does anyone know any of the shows she wrote
    for.
    His father was on several radio shows playing the harmonica.   Jay Hickerson

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    Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:44:29 -0500
    From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR Christmas

    Looking for a Christmas  Prpgram Try,  Shadow [The]    12/22/1940  #13
    "Joey's Christmas Story" or
    Abbott & Costello 12/20/1945  # 118 "Plans for the Christmas Party,
    Radio Readers Digest  12/18/1947      "Songs from Heaven"
    First Nighter "Little Town of Bethlem"   12/22/1945
    The Halllmark Playhouse  12/23/1948  #27 "Silent Night"  Story of Silent
    Night.
    The Fred Waring  Christmas Program  12/27/1948

    Frank McGurn

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    Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:18:02 -0500
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Waterman and his time as Gildy

    Ken Greenwald makes several assumptions that really, really cannot be left
    unanswered.

>     Don't forget that, in the Golden Age of Radio, a season
>     lasted 39 weeks, followed by summer vacation. A 39 week
>     season of shows would start about September or October
>     of a given year, then finish in June of the following year.
>     . . .To the best of my knowledge, all radio series ran from
>     September/October of one year and always ended in June
>     of the next year.

    You cannot make such an assumption.  That may be standard practice on many
    prime-time programs, but not all of them.  There can there be many reasons
    for exceptions.  First of all, this 39 week season is rarely the case
    outside of prime time.  Many programs had 13, 26, or year-round 52 week
    runs. Or two months, or some other time period that was important to the
    sponsor, the station, the network, or the situation.  I think Charlie will
    have a rough time keeping up with digest transmissions if people started
    posting info about series that had other than Fall-to-Spring 39-week runs.
    All you have to do is look at almost any of Joe Mackey's weekly lists to see
    exceptions.  This week we see that "The FBI In Peace and War" debuted
    11/25/44 and a number of soap operas ended on that date in 1960, "Bride and
    Groom" debuted 11/26/45, "Mr. First Nighter" debuted 11/27/30, and "I'll Fly
    Anything" debuted 11/30/50.  That's just one list. And what shows did these
    new shows replace?  Those didn't last till June.   In addition to planned
    alternate runs, there were always many chances for changes.  Programs WERE
    occasionally cancelled.  Sponsors or networks did decide to make midseason
    changes.  Other things could have intervened.

>     Please bare this [Sept/Oct to June season] in mind when calculating the

    years anyone plays a role on a series.

     Performers did die.  Performers did move on to other opportunities.
    Performers did quit. Performers were drafted.  Performers were blacklisted.
    Performers got pregnant.  Performers got ill. Performers got fired.  etc.
    etc. etc. etc.  The LAST thing I would do is ASSUME that if someone played a
    role at the beginning of a season in September that he or she would still be
    there in June.  I would ALWAYS do the research, and not just assume.

>     Thus, if Willard Waterman said he had been Gildy for
>     9 years, then the 9th year would have ended in 1959
>     (assuming the first year he was Gildy started in 1950).
>     I think you see my point.

    I see your point and absolutely, totally, and completely reject it. You are
    putting words into his mouth that he did not say.  Any researcher worth his
    or her salt will CHECK the dates and data and never, never, never put words
    into someone's mouth and assume that your mathematical calculation will
    match the documented data.  I asked Frank McGurn if Waterman himself
    actually said on the tape that he played the role into the specific year of
    1959.  Waterman did not say it, and it is doing Waterman a big, big
    disservice to assume that he said 1959 and then accuse him of not knowing
    what he was talking about because the show was not on in 1959.  He didn't
    say it was on in the year 1959.  He didn't say he played the role in the
    year 1959. Some of our posters assumed he said he played the role in 1959,
    and then it became an item that Waterman had made a mistake.

    Don't do things like this.  Don't say that he said something unless he DID
    say it.  That is not fair, and it has the potential of screwing up all
    future researchers who see the comment that Waterman said he continued to
    play the role in 1959 and then repeats that as if Waterman had actually said
    it.  That is why so much of OTR "research" from years back is so screwed up
    until real researchers go back and look at the ORIGINAL data or in Frank's
    case listen to the ORIGINAL interview, and correct the assumptions of others
    who did not check the original data.  I've spent over 40 years correcting
    the "research" of others who based their "facts" on "assumptions."

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:18:08 -0500
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  11-27 births/deaths

    November 27th births

    11-27-1881 - C. Mildred Thompson - Atlanta, GA - d. 2-17-1975
    historian, educator, feminist: "Information Please"
    11-27-1882 - Norman Baker - Muscatine, IL - d. xx-xx-1958
    vaudevillian: "Mr. Baker Himself"
    11-27-1890 - Gladys Rice - Philadelphia, PA - d. 9-7-1983
    singer: "Roxy's Gang"; "Lucky Strike Dance Orchestra"; "Voice of
    Firestone"
    11-27-1893 - Harry Foster Welch - Annapolis, MD - d. 8-16-1973
    actor: "Shell Show"
    11-27-1897 - Vera Allen - NYC - d. 8-10-1987
    actor: Grace Doblen "Hilltop House"; Mother Malone "Young Dr. Malone"
    11-27-1898 - Eddie Kay - NYC - d. 12-22-1973
    composer, conductor: "Those We Love"
    11-27-1901 - Ted Husing - The Bronx, NY - d. 8-10-1962
    announcer, sportscaster: "Sportslants"; "March of Time"; "Radio
    Reader's Digest"
    11-27-1902 - J. Scott Smart - Philadelphia, PA - d. 1-15-1960
    actor: Senator Bloat "Fred Allen Show"; Brad Runyon "Fat Man"
    11-27-1904 - Florence Lake - Charleston, SC - d. 4-11-1980
    actor: (Sister of Arthur Lake) Tess Terwilliger "David Harum"
    11-27-1909 - George Hogan - Kansas City, MO
    announcer: "Luncheon at Sardi's"; "Snow Village Sketches"
    11-27-1910 - Ray  Herbeck - Los Angeles, CA - d. 1-17-1989
    bandleader: "Ray Herbeck and His Orchestra"
    11-27-1911 - Charles Wood - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 11-10-1997
    announcer: "The Green Hornet"; "The Lone Ranger"
    11-27-1915 - Ralph Bell -NYC - d. 8-2-1998
    actor: Travis Rogers "Barrie Craig, Confidential Investigator";
    Alfred Drake "This Is Nora Drake"
    11-27-1916 - Chick Hearn - Buda, IL - d. 8-5-2002
    sportscaster: "Pabst Blue Ribbon Bouts"; "Los Angeles Lakers play-by
    play"
    11-27-1917 - Buffalo Bob Smith - Buffalo, NY - d. 7-30-1998
    actor: Howdy Doody "Howdy Doody"
    11-27-1925 - Ernie Wise - Leeds, England - d. 3-21-1999
    comedian: "The Eric Morecambe and Ernie Wise Radio Show"; "Bandwagon"
    11-27-1925 - Marshall Thompson - Peoria, IL - d. 5-18-1992
    actor: "Free World Theatre"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    11-27-1925 - Michael Tolan - Detroit, MI
    actor: Kato "Green Hornet"

    November 27th deaths

    01-01-1889 - Alexander Smallens  - St. Petersburg, Russia - d.
    11-27-1972
    conductor: "Rising Musical Star"
    01-02-1892 - Artur Rodzinski - Dalmatia, Yugoslavia - d. 11-27-1958
    concuctor: "NBC Symphony Orchestra"; "Cleveland Symphony Orchestra"
    01-15-1906 - Sully Mason - Durham, NC - d. 11-27-1970
    singer: "Kay Kyser's Kollege of Musical Knowledge"
    02-05-1906 - John Carradine - NYC - d. 11-27-1988
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    04-15-1910 - Eddie Mayo - Holyoke, MA - d. 11-27-2006
    major league baseball player: "World Series Preview"
    06-02-1928 - Bob Amsberry - Boring, OR - d. 11-27-1957
    actor: KEX Portland, Oregon
    07-06-1927 - Alan "Fluff" Freeman - Melbourne, Australia - d. 11-27-2006
    announcer, singer: "Records Around Five"; "Pick of the Pops"
    07-14-1909 - Walter Gross - NYC - d. 11-27-1967
    composer, pianist: "Piano Playhouse"; "Carnation Contented Hour"
    07-14-1910 - Boris Aplon - Chicago, IL - d. 11-27-1995
    actor: Ivan Shark "Captain Midnight"
    07-19-1891 - Raymond Bramley - Independence, OH - d. 11-27-1977
    actor: Burton York "Howie Wing"; Silas Finke "David Harum"
    08-03-1925 - Billy James Hargis - Texarkana, TX - d. 11-27-2004
    preacher: Broadcast his ministry on more than 500 radio stations.
    08-09-1906 - Gunnar Back - Escanaba, MI - d. 11-27-1983
    newscaster: "CBS Morning News Roundup"; "Headline Addition"
    10-16-1888 - Eugene O'Neill - NYC - d. 11-27-1953
    playwright: "NBC Presents Eugene O'Neill"; "Pulitzer Prize Plays";
    "Best Plays"
    11-04-1910 - Abby Lewis - Mesilla Park, NM - d. 11-27-1997
    actor: Telephone Operator "House in the Country"
    12-16-1892 - Cameron Prud'homme - Auburn, CA - d. 11-27-1967
    actor: Governor Bradley "Little Herman"; David Harum "David Harum"
    xx-xx-xxxx - Spencer Bentley - d. 11-27-1963
    actor: Barry Cameron "Barry Cameron"; Bob "Betty and Bob"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:16:37 -0500
    From: "Danica L. Stein" <furrygirl@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dogs, dogs, dogs

    I do an OTR radio show here in Western Vermont on WIUV [removed] FM, the
    campus radio station at Castleton State College. I usually have some
    sort of a theme, and choose shows that fit the theme. Mostly, I play
    comedies. I actually had a theme called "Dogs" and here are the shows I
    considered (I don't recall right now which ones I played on the show):

    Halls Of Ivy 4-14-1950 Mrs. Foster's Lost Dog
    The Halls are on their way to a big-deal dinner when they find a lost
    dog. As a result they are very late for dinner, but as it turns out,
    the dog belongs to their hostess.

    Great Gildersleeve  12-28-1941 Leroy's Big Dog
    Leroy's friend Piggy pawns off his dog "Tiny" on Leroy. Gildersleeve
    thinks it's a great idea for a boy to have a dog, until "Tiny" moves
    in. As you might guess, Tiny is not so tiny.

    Fitch Bandwagon 12-07-1947 A Dog for the Kids
    Phil and Alice decide to get a dog for the kids. (I forget what
    happens, but it involves a stolen dog)

    Fibber McGee and Molly 1-13-1953 Fibber Buys A Puppy
    Fibber has a plan to make a fast buck. He overhears Old Man McDonald,
    the president of the Third National Bank, say that he would give $50
    for a brown and white puppy. So, Fibber goes down to the pet shop and
    buys a pup for $10 to sell to McDonald, for $50. When he gets to
    McDonald's office with the dog to clinch the deal, he finds out that
    McDonald is a gardener, and what he actually said was "poppy."

    Fibber McGee and Molly  10-31-1951 Young Fireball, The McGees' New Dog
    Uncle Sycamore is sending Fibber a dog. Fibber can't wait, as the dog
    is a relative of "Old Fireball," Fibber's childhood canine buddy.
    "Young Fireball" arrives and warms up to [removed] Fibber.

    Fibber McGee and Molly 11-30-1943 Teeny's Missing Dog
    Teeny comes to Fibber for help finding her blue-eyed, long-eared,
    stubby-tailed dog. The McGees scour Wistful Vista, only to come up
    empty. When they sadly inform Teeny they couldn't find the dog, the
    girl reveals that she's been looking for this dog for [removed]'s
    always wanted a little dog.

    Fibber McGee and Molly 3-19-1940 Dog License Problem
    The McGees receive a registered letter demanding that they get a new
    [removed] dog license. But, they don't have a dog, so Fibber sets out
    to correct the problem. Turns out it would be easier to just get a dog
    and get the license.

    Our Miss Brooks 5-22-49 Peanuts, the Great Dane
    Miss Brooks ends up babysitting a very large dog for a woman she barely
    knows, and tries to find someone else to take the creature.

    I don't know if this is what you had in mind, but I am happy to share
    the results of my research (poring over show logs for hours looking for
    any shows about dogs!). Woof!

    --Danica
    Danica L. Stein
    Poultney, VT

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    Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:57:44 -0500
    From: Neal Ellis <bstenor@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR News Coverage
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    I am looking for records of any are all of the following:

      08/31/54  Plane HIts Empire State Bldg. Mutual Coverage
      08/31/54  Dictabelt recording being made when plane hits Empire State Bldg.
      ------------  WBZ Tower falls on station during broadcast
      11/01/50  Blair House Shooting
      00/00/37  Flood broadcast WFBR Baltimore relaying WSM relaying WHAS

      If you can help please let me know.

    Neal Ellis
    Old Time Radio On MP3  [removed]
    Vintage TV and Radio News  [removed]

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