Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #258
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 8/9/2001 12:28 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2001 : Issue 258
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      DVD/VCD/MP3 Apex AD500W               [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      Stereo TV and Radio                   [ Udmacon@[removed] ]
      The Length of Radio Dramas            [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Fantasound "Stereo"                   [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Old Time Stereo - Yes                 [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
      When Radio Was -- One Hour, not half  [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
      Re: Koss CDP-3000 CD--update          [ "D'Alessio Mario-DALESSI0" <[removed] ]
      New York City station WMCA            [ khovard@[removed] ]
      LOC Holdings                          [ "Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@worldnet. ]
      Reporter Query                        [ Kubelski@[removed] ]
      "Stereo" hokum                        [ "jstokes" <jstokes@[removed]; ]
      Re: LOC, Again                        [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      PAUL FREES INTERVIEW                  [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
      HOUSE OF MYSTERY                      [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
      Imagination Theatre Site              [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
      Sheila Macrae                         [ "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@nfoli ]
      Fwd: Al Pearce                        [ JayHick@[removed] ]
      Old Time Stereo                       [ "glen" <gschroeder10@[removed]; ]
      Re: old-time stereo                   [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      Childhood's End                       [ passage@[removed] ]
      LOC holdings and D Bacca's query      [ khovard@[removed] ]

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:42:56 -0400
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  DVD/VCD/MP3 Apex AD500W

    Folks;

       Mr. Noble's post about the Daewoo DVD player DVG-3000N promted me to post
    about my "cheapie" DVD purchase, the Apex AD500W.

       Just a snitch of background; it's been anecdotal that the Japanese-made
    DVDs (Sony, Panasonic, most "name" brands) have problems playing
    home-recorded ("burned") audio CDs, etc., where the Chinese-made units
    (off-brand machines) tend to be much better in this regard. Knowing this, I
    was keeping an eye out for a "cheapie" DVD primarily to play my daughter's
    growing collection of VCDs (VideoCDs, which are popular in South-East Asia,
    but almost unheard of here (except in some specialty shops in Asian
    neighborhoods in larger cities). See, as soon as I get the cartoon VCDs in, I
    burn a copy and use that copy (she's a three-year-old, you know?); if it gets
    scratched, I just burn another [removed] no tape wear-out from the 50th
    viewing of Tweety Bird cartoons.

       So I was looking for a DVD player that would handle [removed] found
    it in the Apex AD500W. While wandering through Sam's Club one day, we saw
    this unit available at $125, and _almost_ bought it. When we hit the
    neighboring WalMart for some things Sam's didn't have, and saw the exact same
    unit for $99, we just couldn't resist it.

       When I got it home, the first thing I threw at it was the burned VCD
    copies that Katie up until now could only watch on her [removed] they
    played perfectly. Then a DVD we had purchased a while back (an I Spy disc
    that contains the episode, "Danny was a Million Laughs," guest-starring
    Jeanette Nolan), and no problem. A few audio CDs, and again, no sweat.

       Then came the MP3 discs. There are a couple of limitations; subdirectory
    levels are limited to one, which made a music MP3 disc I burned of the entire
    Billy Joel catlaog lose a couple of deeply-nested directories (Including
    "Cold Spring Harbor," one of my personal favorites, although hardly a
    critical success). Also, of course, this deck won't play a
    Macintosh-formatted disc (none of 'em do), but since Macs can easily burn
    "hybrid" discs that can be properly read on both (I haven't seen a Windows
    burner that could do this simple task correctly yet), that isn't a problem,
    either.

       The real question, though, is could the deck handle the low sample rates
    most OTR is encoded at? The [removed] bet'cha! I poped in a disc I had
    burned, and out came hours and hours [removed] Blackie! (Ok, ok, I admit, I
    might have considered something else; or at least not so many episodes at
    once. I'm still recovering, and it's been two months.)

       About the only thing this deck _won't_ play are the 12" laserdiscs I
    [removed] matter how hard I tried, I just couldn't get the darned things into
    it.

       In the event the machine requires a firmware upgrade, they will (according
    to the manual) be made available for a reasonable price on their website.

       For an inexpensive DVD player that handles all of those classic DVDs out
    there (Saw "Casablanca" for $15 last nigght, and almost bought it to add ot
    my MGM Laserdisck, Critarian Laserdisc, Beta, and VHS copies), inexpensive
    imported VCDs, as well as burned audio and MP3 discs, you can't go wrong with
    the Apex AD500W. Now if they only made a [removed]

             Charlie

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:14:45 -0400
    From: Udmacon@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Stereo TV and Radio

    TOM: I remember that in the '50s WQXR occasionally fed stereo through its AM
    and FM signals, but that doesn't answer your questions. But your post DOES
    tweak memories, and I vaguely recall a few occasions wherein a TV station
    would send out a stereo broadcast via the TV audio and a "friendly" AM or FM
    station. It probably was PBS Channel 13 and WNYC or WQXR. Just guessing.

    Bill Knowlton, "BLUEGRASS RAMBLE," WCNY-FM: Syracuse, Utica, Watertown NY
    (since Jan. 1973). Sundays, 9 pm est: [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:02:49 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Length of Radio Dramas

    Philip Railsback, speaking of OTR dramas, asks,

>     I suspect that 2 hours of sitting in front of the radio for one show
>     was just too much for most
>     people.  Was that the case?  I know I've never heard a show longer than
>     an hour.

    Actually, there's some truth in that.  But there's also some reason why.
    When i was growing up in the OTR era, we may have spent several hours in
    the evening listening to radio programs, but no comedy or drama longer
    than an hour.  However, listening to a show isn't the same as watching a
    film or telecast.  There's a necessary "time compression" effect in radio
    drama.  as has been pointed out before, in War of the Worlds, from the
    time the first Martian cylinder landed in Grovers Mills NJ until the time
    a remote was established was minutes, whereas in real life, if it landed
    at the beginning of the Mercury Theater program, they'd still bed setting
    up the remote as the show was concluding.  As a result of this
    time-compression effect, there's something like a 2:1 ratio in comparison
    to TV or film, and a half-hour radio show is about the equivalent of an
    hour telecast.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:57:54 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fantasound "Stereo"

    "roncarol," speaking of TV-radio stereo, notes,

>     I do remember that Walt Disney did a broadcast of "Fantasia" in the
>     early 60's ( or late 50's)
>     with the method you described.

    Fantasia would make a good choice for the radio-TV-radio arrangement
    because of the nature of the "Fantasound" process it used.  Basically,
    its "directionality" in the theaters was a signal-switching technique
    between center, right, and left speakers rather than the stereo method we
    are familiar with.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:57:52 -0400
    From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Old Time Stereo - Yes

    Hi Gang -                  August 9, 2001 - Thursday - 9 AM cdt

    In issue 256, Tom Barnett asked a two part question:
    two questions:

>      ... I remember my Great Grandfather telling me of days when (at the
>      beginning of Television) radio was used to add dimension to television
>      sound.   ...  The stereo effect was achieved by broadcasting one channel
>      as part of the television feed - and the second channel was sent out over
>      radio.   ...

>      a) is this true (or was Pappy fibbing again)?
>      b) Would a broadcast station turn over their airwaves to be a symmetrical

            leg to television?

    Yes, it is true that some TV stations and even some Network TV
    teamed up with radio stations to provide stereophonic broadcasts.
    These were usually special things, only a few such broadcasts
    a year, and usually involved musical productions.

    The following is from my memory.  Details may be hazy:

    In Chicago, WNBQ (channel 5) and WMAQ (670 AM) were both owned
    and operated by NBC and both broadcast from the Merchandise Mart.
    At that time, the network supported the "NBC Chicago Orchestra"
    under the direction of Joseph Gallicchio.  Several concerts were broadcast
    locally with TV sound on one channel, and Radio sound on the other.

    On the TV network (NBC I Think), I remember only one such broadcast
    in 1953.  I believe it was the "Telephone Hour", and it was one of the first
    COLOR TV specials.  The network fed both picture and sound to stations
    all over the United States.  Although only a small part of the audience had
    access to a color picture, every B&W TV owner had access to stereo sound.
    Those without television, could enjoy the (monaural) broadcast on the radio.

    As I recall, the radio program started 30 minutes before television "joined"
    the broadcast.  There were radio announcements advising the audience
    where to place the radio to best complement the TV sound.

    They did not call it "stereo", and I don't think they called it "binaural"
    either.
    I don't remember what they called it.  There may have been a second such
    broadcast in 1954.   The sound was quite good, as long at the TV signal
    was not "snowy".

    Happy Taping --  Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois
    kenpiletic@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:57:50 -0400
    From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  When Radio Was -- One Hour, not half-hour

    In a message dated 08/08/2001 8:51:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

>        On the subject on OTR on KMOX  today is I think they run (at 2:00 [removed])
>      "When Radio Was" which I don't think is to good to listen to the way the
>      shows are cut up and shortened to fit the half hour but that's ' NEW OTR' I
>      guess.

    Hi Harold -                                  August 9, 2001 - 9:30 AM cdt

    Just for what it's [removed]  "When Radio Was" programs are 60 minutes
    long.  During that time, a complete half-hour program (uncut) is broadcast
    and either a 15 minute program or "half" of a 30 minutes program is
    broadcast.  The last 15 minutes are used for "new" commercials.

    Perhaps you are refering to the "half" programs, which are completed
    the next day.  Yes, those programs are stopped, but not "shortened"  to make
    them fit.  The entire OTR programs - usually including commercials -
    are broadcast.

    By the way, they are broadcast at midnight on WBBM, Chicago.
    I generally listen to Art Bell at that time.   I have most of the OTR
    programs that WRW broadcasts in my collection already.

    Hope to see you in Newark.

    Happy Taping -- Ken
    kenpiletic@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:48:16 -0400
    From: "D'Alessio Mario-DALESSI0" <[removed]'alessio@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Koss CDP-3000 CD--update

>     And the search continues for an MP3 CD player that
>     can handle our OTR CDs.

    The search has ended (quite a while ago, actually).
    Get a RioVolt. It's by far the best right now for OTR.
    Email me for addl details.

    Mario

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:48:14 -0400
    From: khovard@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  New York City station WMCA

    Can anyone tell me  which radio station succeeded radio station WMCA?

    Howard

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:48:12 -0400
    From: "Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  LOC Holdings

    D. Bacca questions about the Library of Congress holdings: "...what possible
    benefit would it be to the copyright`s holders (or to anyone else) of such
    an arrangement, having the programs essentially locked up in this manner?"

    The benefit to the copyright owner is tremendous to donate this material and
    lockup the archives. One, they get a vast tax write-off to "donate" the
    materials. Secondly, they free-up all that precious office space and
    personnel it took to hold it themselves. And most importantly, they did the
    first two without actually having to give up "ownership." The discs belong
    to "the people" but the sounds on them are the "intellectual property" of
    NBC and a host of others. So we get the "pleasure" for paying for the
    NBC/Mutual archival effort but none of the pleasure of actually listening to
    the collection.

    Brian

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:48:09 -0400
    From: Kubelski@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Reporter Query

    Ralph Blumenthal of the New York Times Arts & Leisure section sends the
    following query in addition to his interest in attending Friends of Old Time
    Radio in Newark this year -

    "Sean, thanks. Will definitely try to make it. Please put me on the press
    list. I'm particularly interested in broadcasts by Warden Lewis E. Lawes of
    Sing Sing. Any leads? Many thanx! Ralph Blumenthal
    "

    Can anyone help him?  E-mail me privately if you can help him track down
    these broadcasts.

    Thanks,

    Sean Dougherty
    kubelski@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:48:07 -0400
    From: "jstokes" <jstokes@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  "Stereo" hokum

        I do recall the days of "stereo" hokum, where a TV station and a radio
    station would carry the same program.   Think about it.   What you would
    have would be two channels of MONO folks.
        In other words, two channels of the same thing.   Unless one channel had
    separate mics placed some distance away to get the ambiance, and then fed
    each mic channel separately, you ain't got no stereo.   In feeding separate
    mic signals, you have binaural sound, which can have great depth.   That may
    have been the rare case.   But mostly it was done to "simulate stereo."
        The simulated stereo has taken the form of emphasizing lows on one one
    speaker and highs on the other.   Not until the matrixing system of stereo
    came along did FM stations have the ability to broadcast a stereo signal.
        If you want my honest option, I say get rid of FM stereo and have a mono
    signal.   Then EQ one speaker for lows and EQ the other for highs.
      Bingo -- right away you will eliminate or sharply reduce FM's horrible
    picket fence/multi-path problem that's especially a bummer in the city.
    And the plague of car radios.
        Oh, you want some "depth."   No problem, my low/high system would have a
    knob called "depth," which would be a reverb/time delay to give you that
    concert hall effect.  :)

    Jim Stokes,
    NaturaLite Pictures,
    producers of that New York-based comedy/adventure movie, "There's Danger In
    Romance."

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:54:35 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: LOC, Again

    On 8/9/01 9:42 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     what possible benefit would
>     it be to the copyright`s holders (or to anyone else) of such an
>     arrangement, having the programs essentially locked up in this manner?
>     While I understand the function and intent of the loc, given the extent
>     of the otr community and the state of modern recording technology, I
>     cannot understand why this would longer be necessary?

    The legalities involved are more complex than questions of simply
    releasing or not releasing the program materials to anyone who wants them
    -- and to understand this it's essential to think not like an OTR fan,
    but like a corporate intellectual property lawyer. In the case of the NBC
    Collection at the LOC -- which makes up about half of the Library's radio
    holdings - the physical artifacts of the recordings belong to NBC, but
    the intellectual property on those recordings can belong to a wide range
    of other parties, ranging from advertising agencies to individual writers
    and producers. And then there's the question of mechanical-reproduction
    rights for any and all copyrighted musical compositions contained in the
    individual programs. (More than one smalltime CD distributor has been
    busted by the Harry Fox Agency in recent years for neglecting their
    obligations in this area.)

    That being the case, there's simply no way to legally release these
    materials without elaborate research being done to determine precisely
    who owns those rights and securing the necessary clearance. It *is*
    possible to do this -- Radio Spirits has done so with a number of
    programs over the years, and there are other vendors who have done so
    with certain classical-music programs in the NBC Collection.

    But for this to be commercially viable, there has to be enough of a
    market for the materials to produce a decent return on the investment of
    doing all the legal legwork on top of all the other expenses -- and
    realistically speaking, for most OTR, that market just isn't there. As
    much, for example, as I would love to see the complete 1935 thru 1937 run
    of "Easy Aces" or the long run of 1935-40 Fred Allen programs held by the
    LOC to be released to the public, there's no way enough of a market
    exists for these programs for such a release to be commercially viable --
    especially if there's the risk that if a commercial release were made, it
    would end up being copied and distributed all over the world for free by
    the MP3 crowd. Not to sound like a shill for RS (which I certainly am
    not) but the prevailing "why buy the cow when you can get the milk thru
    the fence" gimme-gimme-gimme attitude in the internet-era OTR world
    *does* tend to work against any prospects for licensed commercial release
    of limited-market material. People may not like to hear it, but that's
    the barefaced reality of the situation.

    Under such conditions, the only material that's ever likely to receive
    widespread commercial release is the big-name stuff that Joe and Mary
    Costcoshopper would recognize. Large-scale commercial vendors *don't*
    target their releases to advanced OTR collectors for good reason: there's
    simply not enough money in it to offset the costs of clearing rights on
    the material. And if you take the approach of *not* clearing rights on
    the material, you have *zero* chance of gaining commercial access to LOC
    holdings. The law is the law, and LOC follows it to the letter -- because
    they are required to do so.

    It is of course possible for individual researchers to listen to LOC
    material for free at the Recorded Sound Reference Center, and it is also
    possible to acquire copies of such material for private use if you're
    willing to jump thru the hoops and pay the fees. There would certainly
    have been no access for anyone (except internal sneak thieves) if NBC had
    simply locked up the discs in a warehouse, or even worse, allowed them to
    be bulldozed into a pit and paved over, dumped in the ocean, or set on
    fire. When it becomes a question of either donating the materials to a
    secured archive or simply destroying them to prevent illegal use -- well,
    if you were an intellectual property lawyer at NBC, which would *you*
    recommend?

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:56:09 -0400
    From: PURKASZ@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  PAUL FREES INTERVIEW

        Would Ben Ohmart be kind enough to share that interview with Paul Frees?
        I am sure I am not alone in wanting to hear it. I am assuming it is an
    audio interview.
        Please let us know where we can download that item Mr. Ohmart, or at
    least how we can hear it.
        Much appreciated and many thanks.
                         <A HREF="[removed],+Michael+C.">
    Michael C. Gwynne</A>

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:56:26 -0400
    From: PURKASZ@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  HOUSE OF MYSTERY

        Can anyone help me with The House of Mystery?
        It was on at 5:30 in the East Coast afternoon on WOR and was a 15 minute
    show (as so many of the serials were) that completed a story every week. The
    premise was to set you up with spooky and mysterious happenings and then in
    the last episode on Friday a "natural" cause would be revealed, to show that
    the "supernatural" wasn't real after all
        For instance there was a story about a man who got up in the middle of the
    night (presumably to pee but no one peed in those days), and saw a glowing
    skeleton in his room. This was pretty scary to a 7 or 8 year old kid at the
    time, presented dramatically with lurid organ music, than which there is
    little scarier.
        One of the scariest shows I ever heard was about a merchant sailor who
    hated
    mirrors and whenever he came into port and stayed in the waterfront hotel,
    he would demand a room without mirrors. One night though by mistake they left
    a
    mirror in his room and when he turned around and suddenly was confronted by
    it, THE FACE HE SAW WAS NOT HIS OWN. Ooooooh!!

        That scared me plenty and then my parents shipped me off to summer camp
    before I heard the last episode that cooled everything out. I begged them to
    listen for me and tell me the ending but they didn't and to this day I have
    an unexplained fright lodging in me that is waiting to be explained away.

        So I've searched for House of Mystery episodes for a long time, even
    though
    the chances of finding that particular one, even if I COULD find some shows,
    would be remote. Still, I'd love to hear any of the shows.
                                Misty

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:56:35 -0400
    From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Imagination Theatre Site

       I checked yesterday with Dave Adams of Transmedia,
    the syndicators of Imagination Theatre, he said the
    site is temporarily down, but will be back up soon.
    The shows can still be heard on whatever radio station
    in your area that carries them. They will be back on
    the internet soon.
                          Larry Albert

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:56:33 -0400
    From: "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Sheila Macrae

    Thnaks to Frosty & Tom for correcting me. Of course, it was
    Sheila Macrae. Meredith would have only been about 9 years
    old at the time. That shows what almost 50 years can do to your
    memory. Meredith Macrae was born May 30, 1944  and played
    the role of Billie Joe on the old tv series Petticoat Junction. She
    died Friday July 14, 2000 at her home in Manhattan Beach of
    brain cancer. Interested in more about her? Try checking this
    website for her obituary, etc.   [removed]

    Don Dean

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:28:21 -0400
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fwd: Al Pearce

    In a message dated 8/9/01 11:31:56 AM, laraine@[removed] writes:

    I would like to obtain a short biography on Al Pearce, of old-time radio,
    & his characters Eb & Zeb. So far, I haven't been able to find anything on
    the Internet. Do you know of any place I can look?

    My friend has been interviewing her father & it was he that remembers
    listening to this show when he was young & it was one of his family's
    favourites.

    Thank you for any information.

    Laraine Smith

    laraine@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:28:20 -0400
    From: "glen" <gschroeder10@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Old Time Stereo

    Hi Tom and list.

    Your grandpa wasn't spoofing you about radio and TV stereo. When I was 10 or
    11 in the late 50's I can remember a couple of shows being done in this
    strange stereo. I also remember my parents thinking my older brother and I
    were strange for wanting to listen to the radio and the TV at the same time.
    One of the shows, I remember was a Lawrence Welk special and the other I
    remember was some kind of music special on NBC	. It didn't sound too good
    because we had a rather small TV and a big Philco floor model radio. I also
    remember a few years late before FM stereo came along when stations that had
    both AM and FM  would do stereo programs. They sounded dumb because of the
    difference in fidelity.

    Glen Schroeder

    Madison Wisconsin

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:28:18 -0400
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: old-time stereo

    Back in the glory days of Kinsler Hi-Fi Service, I'd occasionally get an old
    tube-type stereo receiver--a Kenwood or a Pioneer or a Lafayette (quite
    popular).  These devices were huge: I recall counting the tubes in one of
    them, and there were 22, including four 6BQ5 output tubes.  The heat
    generated was impressive, but the output power was maybe 12 watts per
    channel.  The selector switches of these receivers were complex: AM, FM,
    phono, tape, tape monitor, aux, and a few settings that I never did figure
    out.

    Once, one of these receivers just about drove me nuts.  Turned out that it
    was set up for this AM-FM stereo business.  There were two tuning knobs, two
    tuning scales, and two pointers.  When you set the selector switch to the
    "AM/FM" setting it would play an AM station out of one speaker and the FM
    station out of the other.  This is extremely interesting if you're trying to
    figure out the tuner section of the receiver.  Took me a while to figure it
    out.

    Even though this receiver (and I suspect others) were set up for AM-FM
    stereo broadcasts, I don't think that the idea ever left the experimental
    stage.  Were programs ever regularly broadcast in this format in, say, New
    York or Chicago?

    M Kinsler

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:28:16 -0400
    From: passage@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Childhood's End

    Hi All,

    Anyone know where I can get the BBC's adaptation of Clarke's
    "Childhood's End"?

    Frank

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    Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:28:14 -0400
    From: khovard@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  LOC holdings and D Bacca's query

    D Bacca asked about programs that were unavailable to the general public
    and  that were unlikely to ever be released on the commercial market.
    Bacca  raised the question what possible benefit would it be to the
    copyright`s holders (or to anyone else) of such an arrangement, having
    the programs essentially locked up in this manner?

    The possible benefit would be similar to the benefit of the Model T Ford
    in my elderly neighbor's garage which he never uses. I would love to
    drive it. But it ain't mine. My anaolgy is not airtight. But my point is
    that Intellectual property is property.

    Howard

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