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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 288

Table Of Contents: 

	 OTR Digest Archives via email
	 Going with the flowing	 
	 Vic & Sade
	 New York radio
	 OTR is More than Shows and Stars 
	 Subjects beaten to death
	 recordings of William Kapell
	 Mississippi Trip
	 Neal Reagan
	 Vic and Sade
	 Re: Hear It Now
	 Clear Channel Station KFI
	 Vic and Sade
	 RADIO SPIRITS

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 20:21:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: wdp (AIRWAVES MEDIA)
To: otr@[removed] (Old Time Radio)
Subject: OTR Digest Archives via email
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I now have an email archive server online to get issues send directly
to you via email (in case you missed some issues during the brief
outage of the digest).

I only have issues since the move available.  Maybe I can do more
later.

Here are the instructions.  You may want to cut these and keep them
around for later use.

                      ---- ---- ----

1) Send email to  otr-request@[removed] 
2) In the subject place the word 'archive' (w/o the quotes, of course)
3) in the 'BODY" of the mail, place one or more  of these [removed]
   (commands are what follows the '->'.  Do not, include the -> sign)

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-> get volume96[removed]

   This command retrieves a single issue. You must preface it with the
   'volume96' and a slash (as above).  As in 'get volume96/282' (omit the
   quotes) 

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->list directory

   Delivers a list of a certain directory.  As in 'list volume96' (omit
   the quotes, of course)

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-> egrep case_insensitive_regular_expression filename ...

   Search the text of a file or files for a certain 'regular
   expression'. A regular-expression is fancy Unix talk for a word or a
   string of words.  As in 'egrep radio volume96/* '  This will find the
   word 'radio' in any issue in the volume96 directory.  The command
   'egrep radio volume96/287' will search issue 287 for the word
   radio. While the regular-expression is case-insensitive, the
   directory name is not, it  MUST be in lower case.

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->maxfiles nnn

   Sets the maximum number of files you will be sent (to protect you from
   accidentally requesting too many files using a regular expression)  It
   is optional.

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The server does not support any other commands.  

If you need further assistance, write to me personally.

William Pfeiffer
Administrator: Old Time Radio Digest
wdp@[removed]
Web: [removed]

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 20:16:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: barrym <barrym@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Going with the flowing
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> However, to be fair, I also believe that Digest subscribers who do not
> resonate with these threads should also lighten up and realize that
> the digest is just now starting back up at full speed, after a bumpy
> and traumatic move.  It is up to every subscriber who would like to
> see OTR return to its former focus to spend time *posting information
> that will accomplish this* rather than posting notes about their
> dismay over the existing threads.
> 
> OTR Digest, like all other similar forums, is *reader-driven*.  You,
> the reader, sets the tone and tempo of this publication.  If you do
> not resonate with a thread, start a new [removed] or better yet start 2
> or 3 new ones.  It is far more productive than complaining about
> someone else's attempts at starting threads which you may not enjoy.

I'm one of those that the thread about clear stations didn't resonate
with, so, after realizing that, I just skipped over those articles.
I didn't resent them or feel that they were out of place.

I do agree that that's probably a fringe area for the discussion but
what's wrong with that?  Are we looking for the lowest common
denominator?  We've done a lot of drifting from time to time but we
always come back to the center before long.  That makes a lot of
sense to me.  We stay on the main road and get to see a lot of the
interesting side roads too.

Barry


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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:30:16 +0900 (JST)
From: ROY WAITE <rwaite@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Vic & Sade
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
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Dick Lupoff wrote:
>Has anyone ever done a book on V&S? Are published scripts available?
>Does anyone out there share my enthusiasm for this show? 
 UNQUOTE

Yes, I do, Dick.  And I have somewhere in my collection a tape of an
interview with Bill Idelson who played the young guy "Rush" on the show. I'm
sure you will be able to pick up a lot of material on this popular show.
When I was a teenager I thought this show was as boring as dirt, but when I
matured a little I realized what a gem it is!

And on my bookshelf here, I have a book entitled "Vic and Sade. The Best
Radio Plays of Paul Rhymer", edited by Rhymer's widow, Mary, with a Foreward
by Jean Shepherd.   This book was published by Seabury Press, NY.  in 1976.
No pictures, though, but some wonderful scripts. 

I hope this helps.  I am sure that you will receive further responses from
others more knowledgeable than I.




Roy

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 22:58:15 -0400
From: bilj@[removed] (Bill Jaker)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: vintage@[removed]
Subject: New York radio
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
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To add a few facts to Andy Blatt's posting about New York radio stations:
The original CBS affiliate in New York was WOR, which originated the first 
CBS broadcast in 1927.  A secondary affiliate was WABC, owned by the 
Atlantic Broadcasting Company (a subsidiary of the Grebe Radio Company, one 
of the finest radio manufacturers of the 1920s).  After Bill Paley took over 
CBS he sought to buy a New York flagship and chose WABC, mostly because it 
was cheaper.  So that's why the CBS key station was called WABC.
WEAF changed call letters to WNBC on 2 November 1946 at 6:00 PM.  Four hours 
later WABC became WCBS.  WNBC was called WRCA from 18 October 1954 till 20 
March 1960, when it became WNBC again.
And yes, WBYN was in Brooklyn.  The merger of four time-sharing stations, it 
existed from 1941-1946 when it was sold to the Newark News and moved across 
the harbor to become WNJR.

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 23:06:04 -0400
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR is More than Shows and Stars 
Message-ID: <960818230604_388429188@[removed]>

Hi Gang -                  August 18 - 1996, Sunday - 10:05 PM cdt 

In issue 286 Bruce Rudesill stated, "... OTR is about shows and stars,
not the stations that broadcast it."

I discussed this sentence with a few of my fellow OTR collectors today,
and we all agree that OTR is a lot more than just shows and stars. 
It is about the programs, writers, sponsors, music, stations, sound-
effects, premiums, ETs, scripts, and a host of other technical and non-
technical items.  

We concluded that the purpose of the otrdigest is to discuss things 
pertaining to old time radio.  The stations that broadcast it is 
very much on topic.  

I agree that sometimes a topic is beat to death, such as the case with
the Clear Channel Stations, but if we can clear up all the misinformation
regarding a topic by postings in the digest, we all benefit.  There are 
many reference books with incorrect "facts".  Taking a week or so in the 
digest to get all the facts ironed out is good, because that way we might 
prevent someone from publishing another incorrect reference book.  

Happy Taping -- Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois
kenpiletic@[removed] 

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 23:31:40 -0500
From: vintage@[removed] (Andy Blatt)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Subjects beaten to death
Message-Id: <v01540b00ae3d9d24dbde@[[removed]]>
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Apparently the countless lines and paragraphs devoted to so-called clear
channel radio stations is considered by many to be meaningless and
irrelevant.  This may be the case to some, but not all.  There are a few
situations where this might be the [removed] few months ago, we had many
discussions about Ovaltine, whether it was still manufactured, the taste
vs. Nestle's Quik and Bosco, Postum, [removed]
This might be considered a bit more generous a discussion than was [removed]
The whole discussion on radio stations began because the local stations
(like those that WENN depicts) were not allowed to broadcast full-time, to
protect the big stations that could care less whether they served the
regional areas with news or radio drama and comedy.

I think the subject has been well-served and has had adequate coverage.

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 23:15:47 -0500
From: Joe Salerno <jsalerno@[removed]>
To: "'OTR LIST'" <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: recordings of William Kapell
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BMG Classics is preparing a CD edition of the American concert pianist =
William Kapell (1922-1953) for release next year sometime.

If anyone has unreleased recordings by this artist or live broadcasts =
(tape or disc) please contact Joe Salerno at [removed] or Jon =
Samuels at BMG Classics in NY.

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 23:11:40 -0700
From: Jack Mann <jmann@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Mississippi Trip
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
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To the Digest: I've been listening to an otr program produced here in
Seattle called KIRO Mystery Theater, and they've been advertising a
trip that I thought digest readers might enjoy. It's a Mississippi 
"Salute to Radio" cruise hosted by Jim and Pat French (the writer's and 
director's of KIRO MT). It features the Harry James orchestra and I
think they're going to record a radio program. Prices start at $1699.
a person and the cruise takes place Feb 28th-Mar 7th. Call 1-800-
767-1977 for details.
Also, I'm looking for a log for the Space Patrol show. Anybody know
if one is available?
Another comment. I find the occassional strayings from the strict focus 
of this digest to be rather interesting. I thought the discussion of
clear channel stations was fascinating, as well as the bits about KFI
and Earl Anthony, ETC. To me, these are all parts of OTR, and to say
that we shouldn't discuss the technical side denies the wonderful
contributions of the technical people who regularly contribute to this 
digest. I suggest that we all lighten up a bit and let the info flow.
Flamers please note my Email address above. That's one thing we DON'T
need on this digest.

Best Regards to All,

Jack

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 96 23:18 PDT
From: lois@[removed] (Lois Culver)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Neal Reagan
Message-Id: <m0usNfe-0007gXC@[removed]>
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It is my understanding that Neil Reagan, Ronnie's brother who spelled his
name differently than Ronnie, died some years [removed] I cant remember how
he spelled it altho I remember he pronounced it Reegan.

Lois Culver

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 04:24:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: airwavesOTR <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Vic and Sade
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In response to a recent query from Dick Lupoff on the subject, here is my 
introduction to the Vic and Sade portion of my catalog.  Several years ago
on WBAI, when we had time for a daily serial, this show was a favorite of 
mine, and we used the show as sort of an intelligence test - some folks 
just don't get it!  To me it is one of the finest shows ever produced.  I'd
put it in the top 5 programs to come out of the Golden Age.

"The little house half-way up in the next block - Paul Rhymer's Vic and Sade"

Vic and Sade, product of Paul Rhymer's heart and wit, was called "an oasis
of smiles amidst a sea of tears".  Unlike the soap operas surrounding it,
each episode of this daily series was a complete vignette with a beginning,
middle, and end.  There were only four characters who appeared regularly on
the show - Victor R. Gook: the patriarch, office worker for the Consolidated
Kitchenware Company, Skybrother in the Sacred Stars of the Milky Way Lodge,
parade enthusiast.  He was played by Art Van Harvey.  Bernadine Flynn was
Sade: wife, homemaker, mother of adopted son Rush and later Russell.  Rush
was played by Bill Idelson.  He grew up on  the show, and in the surviving
examples he is a high school student who is inventive, imaginative, and
industrious.  When Idelson went off to WWII, he was replaced by David
Whitehouse as Russell.  He is younger than Rush, and a little more brash,
but both of the youngsters are often ignored by their elders on the show.
The last of the regulars was Fletcher Rush, Sade's Uncle, played by Clarence
Hartzell.  He was brought into the show as a possible replacement for Van
Harvey when he got ill, and stayed on until the end of the series.  Uncle
Fletcher was the ultimate scatterbrained, nonsquitor-spewing, but loveable
old geezer, and after Vic & Sade left the airwaves, Hartzell would continue
in this character on One Man's Family and Lum and Abner.             
	Through this family and the discussions of their daily activities, a 
host of friends and neighbors became just as well known as the main 
characters, although they never appeared.  (For the few exceptions to
this, see tape #6, where two new speaking parts were added briefly).  
	Paul Rhymer's writing was both poetic and musical.  It presented to
listeners a surreal version of small-town America, with all its  
eccentricities and odd characters.  The seasoned ensemble of actors 
brought this world to perfect life.
      Many of the episodes in circulation contain only the story portion.  
There are two likely explanations for this.  The actors broadcast from 
Chicago, but the commercials for Proctor and Gamble were done in New 
York.  It is possible that only the Chicago portions were transcribed.  
The other explanation I've heard is that there were times when the show 
was broadcast on both NBC and Mutual, and the Mutual versions contain 
only the opening announcer and the story, but no commercials.  Take your 
pick.

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 04:28:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: Harx1@[removed]
cc: airwavesOTR <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Re: Hear It Now
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
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	Over the years I have come across these records in several versions.
It seems to have been released on 78s, and more than one set of LPs.  For 
all I know it's been re-released on CD.
	I can't imagine they can be worth a whole lot - it isn't terribly 
rare. 

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:19:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce Toor <batoor@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Clear Channel Station KFI
Message-ID: <[removed]@netcom15>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

KECA was indeed the [removed] outlet of the Blue Network, but only KFI carried 
the station break announcement, "KFI Los Angeles, Earl C. Anthony 
Incorporated, distributor of Packard motor cars."  The Mutual outlet, 
KHJ, was owned by Don Lee, a Cadillac distributor.

Thanks to Ms. Culver for the info on David Starling and Bill Stulla.  Ted 
Meyers was doing announcing for Channel 9 as recently as three or so 
years ago.  When I got his autograph in 1944 he looked at me and said, 
"You haven't any idea who I am, do you?"  But I knew his voice instantly. 
He was the announcer of "The World We're Fighting For."

Bruce Toor

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:31:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce Toor <batoor@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Vic and Sade
Message-ID: <[removed]@netcom15>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Dick Lupoff will receive many responses to his inquiry, but as another 
"original" listener from the 1940s, let me add a vote for the quality of 
Vic and Sade.  Paul Rymer wrote the scripts, a collection of which was 
assembled by his widow and donated to the University of Wisconsin.  I've 
heard that there is a "Friends of Vic and Sade" society but don't know 
who or how to contact it.  You could try SPERDVAC.  Many air 
check recordings are available of some of the shows, but the sponsor 
destroyed the originals (approximately 3,000 broadcasts over a 12 year 
period).  My personal favorite has always been Uncle Fletcher, who did an 
imitation that sounds dangerously close to numerous old gentlemen of my 
acquaintance.  If you haven't already tasted the series, try listening to 
"Broken Alarm Clocks" or "Lunch With The Boss"--the announcer couldn't 
keep a straight face for the closing.

Bruce Toor

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Date: Mon, 19 Aug 96 08:10:33 EDT
From: TBARNETT@[removed]
To:   otr@[removed]
Subject: RADIO SPIRITS
Message-Id: <m0usTA8-000YRPC@[removed]>

To: SMTP    --AHIPC2S  OTR Digest

From:    Tom Barnett

Subject: RADIO SPIRITS

Radio Spirits has a summer sale going  on. I if you buy two 6-tape collections
you can get a third one free.

I picked up all three volumes of Fibber McGee and Molly show and I have a
real radio related questionfor you all.

How long was the characters of Leena and Bueala on the program?  And how
could the McGee's (of no obvious income) afford a maid?

Thanks,

Tom Barnett
EDS/VDTO Finance and Personnel Systems Support
(810)986-0389 (8-226) [removed]@[removed]




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