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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 23


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Re: The Lives of Harry Lime - The Third Man
	 Re: Issue 16 / RADIO SHACK OPTION
	 (no subject)
	 CBC George Burns Documentary - One More Time!
	 THIRD MAN/WELLES/HARRY LIME
	 The Whistler [removed]
	 OTR Digest V96 #22: WSAZ-TV
	 Re: OTR favorites for broadcasting to young audience (etc.)
	 Re: premiums and adults
	 .wav & RA
	 WENN criticisms
	 The 1622nd man :-)
	 Re: short notes on Oboler, I Love A Mystery, and 3rd Man
	 The Third Man
	 May I introduce myself?
	 WENN Foley

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 03:50:35 -0500 (EST)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: airwaves <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Re: The Lives of Harry Lime - The Third Man
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

> From: LordLyndon@[removed]
> Subject: 3rd Man/Welles/Harry Lime
> 
> RE: THIRD MAN/WELLES/HARRY LIME
> 
> Never heard of a series based on this story.  The film (1949) THE THIRD MAN,
> based on the novella by Graham Greene, has been a favorite of mine for years.
> Since the question has been raised, please inform if there was a series.
> 
> But, as the Lime character was killed near the end of the film, and he WAS a
> villain, albeit charming and enigmatic, I fail to see how a popular series of
> any kind can have been [removed]
> 
> LordLyndon@[removed]
>
There were fifty two episodes (produced in England, I think) in 1952, 
starring Orson Welles. 
	The producers, realizing that Lime's death might preclude further
adventures, devised the following opening:
SFX: Footsteps echoing through water, shots ring out.
Welles: "That was the end of Harry Lime.  But it was not the [removed]"
Zither up., etc.
	Lime was quite a bit less despicable in is radio adventures, all 
featuring Lime working a scam, sometimes successfully, sometimes getting 
burned himself.  A pretty decent show.  It was syndicated in the '70s, and
all episodes are available.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:35:41 -0500
From: mendosan@[removed] (Charles Stevenson)
To: Bill P <rrb@[removed]>
Subject: Re: Issue 16 / RADIO SHACK OPTION
Message-Id: <v01510100ad22406ef0d5@[[removed]]>

Thanks for the discussion of Radio Shack's alternative to the GE Superradio!

What about the RS' quality?  I have not bought much from the shack over the
years, simply because - WITHOUT A SINGLE EXCEPTION - everything I did buy
either fell apart within a few weeks, didn't function as promised, was
overpriced compared to the competition, or (usually) all of the above.
Even a vertical dipole I bought for my CB base developed a loose
connection, just as I began assembling it.  Pitiful.  The last product of
any quality I've seen of theirs is a friend's mobile CB unit, built in the
early '70s.  Mercy sakes!

So, pardon me if I greet praise of Radio Shack with a certain, er,
skepticism.  If they've mended their ways and gotten up to speed on
quality, fine!  Can anyone advise on this issue?

In the '70s at least, "GE" meant "Good Equipment."  I guess it still does.

Charlie Stevenson
Reston, Virginia
KAXG-9288

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Date: Tue, 16 Jan 96 19:55:12 0000
From: gary cohen <cohen@[removed]>
To: wdp@[removed]
Subject: (no subject)
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I'm looking for Howdy Doody radio appearences.
I heard the original Howdy Doody show was called Triple b [removed]
I better go back and check my notes on that title.
Any help would be appreciated. I'd like to purchase the shows if
some one has archived them.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:37:17 -0500 (EST)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: airwaves <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: CBC George Burns Documentary - One More Time!
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

	If NYC area listeners missed the George Burns Birthday salute 
produced by Paula Simons for the CBC series "The Arts Tonight", you have 
one more chance( assuming you get this notice before it airs, unlike the 
first time).
	It will be on sometime during MASS BACKWARDS, Monday night/Tuesday
morning between 3:30 - 6:00 am Jan 22-23.  The rest of the show will also
focus on Burns & Allen, with a Jean Shepherd show as usual at the end.
	The following week will be all Jean Shepherd (Jan 29-30 overnight).
These are both fund-raising shows, so be warned, but be generous!  I will
have a new Jean Shepherd premium package for these shows to part you 
from your money: new tapes not available anywhere. 
	Whether or not you are in the signal range of WBAI, [removed] NYC,
you should support your local community radio stations that give you OTR.
These days more than ever money is the bottom line in deciding what stays 
and what goes. If you want these programs to continue, you have to let 
the stations know with pledges. 
	Max Schmid 

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Date: 17 Jan 96 11:09:39 EST
From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: THIRD MAN/WELLES/HARRY LIME
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

There was indeed a radio series of THE THIRD MAN (subtitled THE MANY LIVES OF
HARRY LIME) starring Orson Welles.  It was produced by the BBC for one year
(8/51-8/52) and syndicated in the [removed]  52 episodes were made and all still
exist.  I've listened to about 30 of the episodes, and it was not a particularly
sterling show -- the scripts, for the most part, were fairly weak -- but Orson
Welles was, after all, Orson Welles (and the best Harry Lime) and that makes it
worth listening to.  The context of the show was "you may think Harry Lime was
killed at the end of the movie ... but remember Harry Lime had many [removed]"

Alan Chapman, 103634,1321@[removed]

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Date: 17 Jan 96 11:09:40 EST
From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed]>, Mort <MORT2HCC@[removed]>
Subject: The Whistler [removed]
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Just a note to expand John Henley's answer ... and make one correction.  Bill
Forman was the original Whistler (and the longest running).  He was on the
program from his start in 1942 as a West Coast only show (for Signal Oil Co.)
through the early 50s except for a few months he served in the Army.  During
that break, the show's announcer, Marvin Miller, played The Whistler.  (Early TV
fans may remember Miller best as the confidential secretary to John Beresfoot
Tipton -- THE MILLIONAIRE.)  For a short time in the late 40s, the show was
produced independently and simultaneously in Chicago with Everett Clarke as The
Whistler.  Joe Kearns took over from Forman c. 1953 and remained with the show
until it went off the air.   The whistler (small w) who whistled the theme (for
most of the run) was Dorothy Roberts.
Hope this helps.

Alan Chapman, 103634,1321@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:07:23 -0500
From: marty@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Digest V96 #22: WSAZ-TV
Message-Id: <v01510107ad22daad56de@[[removed]]>

Andy Blatt repeats, but does not affirm, the old WSAZ-TV chestnut "Worst
Station from A to Z." WSAZ was the last TV station to get a license before
the TV freeze. Supposedy some exec said, "Gee, we'll be the worst station
from A to Z."
Good story, but it's just not true - from what we hear in the broadcasting
community in Huntington, WV. Actually WSAZ, being the first and only
station in the region for a long time, was allowed to broadcast with
unbelievable power until other stations came on line. Made radio's WLW look
like a ham set.

Regards, Mark DiIorio

PS: That OTR movie day on AMC almost makes me sorry I got divorced. She got
the TV but I got the OTR stuff (not that she wanted it.) I'll have to find
a friend with cable and camp out for the day.

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 12:15:25 -0500
From: Jblackie@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: OTR favorites for broadcasting to young audience (etc.)
Message-ID: <960117121401_44626821@[removed]>

In a message dated 96-01-17 04:52:07 EST, Max Schmid writes:

>>
Basically, dramas probably hold up better than variety or comedy
shows on the whole.  Classic horror and science fiction don't go out of
style (try The Martian Chronicles, or my favorite Bradbury story from that
book adapted on X Minus One  "...And the Moon Be Still As Bright").
	I try to balance the mix, but the requests in NY, at least seem
to bear this out.  And if you can, take calls in the studio during the show;
get audience feedback and requests.
	Good luck on your new venture.
	- Max Schmid
>>

I couldn't agree more, and my collection reflects this.  Perhaps the best
shows are those sci-fi shows that prophesy the future correctly (or close to
it)  like "A Logic Named Joe"  (on X Minus One from 12/28/55) which seems to
predict an information highway based on the home PC (called a "Logic" in the
show).  

Or the Quiet Please episode called "Pathetic Fallacy" broadcast on 2/2/48 yet
the plot revolves around a mainframe computer! (I won't give away the climax
of the story, but it is very relevent, if overblown). 

Latitude Zero had what might have been a nuclear sub (hard to tell, since
only one episode survives, and maybe it was just an over-the-top Jules Verne
rip-off.)

These are just off the top of my head, but seem to be fascinating to me now
that I think about [removed] anybody else come across anything interesting like
this?  This could evolve into an interesting article!

Jim Blackie

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 13:03:14 -0500
From: Jblackie@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: premiums and adults
Message-ID: <960117130311_44663566@[removed]>

In a message dated 96-01-17 11:33:51 EST, Jim Widner writes:

>I would think all one would have to do is look at the sponsor and the fact
>that premiums were offered. This certainly was not directed toward adults!
>The earliest sponsor, I believe, was Silvercup Bread, but that was soon
>replaced with General Mills. The premiums included a plastic belt and a
>gun/flashlight.  Certainly not adult incentives.

Gee, Jim,  I dunno.  I would probably be happy with one of those.  Or a
de-coder ring, or a badge.  In fact, I have a couple of Christmas preesents
I'd be willing to swap for almost ANY such premium.  Then again, I am
arguably not yet adult enough.  (At least that's what my wife tells me.)

(The preceding message was sent in jest.  Flames not required or welcome.)

Jim Blackie

PS  I agree, it was for kids.  But I'll bet you like it anyway. (?)

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:08:14 -0800
From: dabell@[removed] (Alan Bell)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: .wav & RA
Message-Id: <v01520d00ad22da852bd2@[[removed]]>

>feedback I have received indicates that there are a lot
>of mac users out there who don't use the wav format and
>ra is universal.

Actually, a couple of months ago someone wrote that there is a shareware or
freeware program that converts .wav files so us Mac users can listen, too.
Unfortunately, I think I may have inadvertently deleted it. At least I sure
can't find it. I wonder if that kind person -- or anyone, for that matter
-- would tell us/me again what that program is?

_____________________________________________________________________
ALAN BELL  3768 Sonoma Avenue  Santa Rosa, CA 95405  dabell@[removed]
=============================707-546-6988============================

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:08:18 -0800
From: dabell@[removed] (Alan Bell)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: WENN criticisms
Message-Id: <v01520d01ad22dc409405@[[removed]]>

On Mon, 15 Jan 1996 Charlie D Matkin <cdm01@[removed]>, disappointed in
the second WENN show, wrote:

> Am I wrong, or weren't shows, even
>in the earliest days, written at least days in advance and
>rehearsed? How  would a sound man, for instance,
>know what sounds were needed?

I worked in television all my professional life, and the *only* movie/TV
program I ever saw that even approached a realistic protrayal of what it's
really like was Broadcast News, and even *that* took a lot of license. Look
at the current television sitcoms Frazier and News Radio. There is hardly
any relationship between the reality of any radio station and what happens
on those programs. But who cares? A lot of people (myself included,
sometimes) think they're funny.

My impression of Remember WENN is that it takes the *process* of OTR a lot
more seriously, but still, I think it's necessary to cut them a little
slack for comedic/dramatic purposes. At first, I thought they'd gone over
the line when they suggested a "delay" in the second show, thinking, hey,
they weren't using tape back then! However, when it became apparent that
they'd be using a turntable with two arms, that was acceptable. Now,
whether or not anyone ever *did* that, or whether they could have rigged it
up on a moment's notice was, to me, immaterial. At least it was true to the
period.

As far as writing it as they went along, well, it *is* a local radio
station, not a network, and while that situation was certainly exaggerated,
I've heard stories about actual programs that come pretty close to what was
portrayed. (And shoot, when you think about it, it happens on newscasts
every day. They *frequently* don't have the whole thing scripted before
they go on the air -- but that's probably not a fair comparison)

And regarding the critique of the second show's plot, I'll certainly accept
the view of the poster. Matter of taste, "sobre gustos," and all that.

_____________________________________________________________________
ALAN BELL  3768 Sonoma Avenue  Santa Rosa, CA 95405  dabell@[removed]
=============================707-546-6988============================

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 12:55:54 est
From: lee_maschmeyer@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: The 1622nd man :-)
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

The oft-repeated claim on this digest that Welles's statement that "That 
was the end of Harry Lime, but that wasn't the beginning" really means 
"That was the continuation of Harry Lime" has been rankling in my mind 
since it most recently reared its homely face (just gentle jibes, folks; 
please don't take offense).

I have neither seen the movie nor read the book, but it just dawned on me 
that in the audition (or was it the first?) show I think there was a date 
mentioned.  Can this be compared with the non-radio sources to put this 
nonsense to rest once and for all?

Regarding the subject claim, I just read a great line from Ross Thomas:  
"That sounds like bullshit masquerading as sophistry."

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:18:41 -0500 (EST)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: airwaves <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Re: short notes on Oboler, I Love A Mystery, and 3rd Man
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

	Just to follow up on recent topics, The Devil & Mr. O shows were
modern remakes of the 1940's Lights Out shows, same script (possibly 
shortened), new casts and productions. Listen to the difference in the old
version of "The Immortal Gentleman" where an actor endlessly repeats a phrase
under narration.  In the remake they use a tape loop. 
	Wasn't there also another series of Lights Out rebroadcasts of 
the originals with new opens/closes?  This was before The Devil and Mr O.
I think that may be adding to the confusion over the versions of "Neanderthal".

________________Next topic___________________________________
	
	I was surprised to note in old copies of the Times that when I 
Love A Mystery was revived for the NY run in 1949, it was broadcast at
10:30 pm, and not during the kiddy show evening hours.  My very old brother
had told me this, and he was right!

_______________Next Topic________________________________________

	I was trying to find the Harry Lime opening as described by myself
and others recently.  I had grabbed the third and fourth reels off the 
shelf, probably episodes 25-48, and they had a different opening!  Are there
different versions of the show floating around, or did the opening change
half-way through the series?  I remember the "Sewer" opening when they 
were rebroadcast in the late sixties on WRVR.  I will check the early 
part of the run if I ever get home.
	The ones I just heard go from the announcer direct to a bit of zither
music, then Lime introduces the plot in a brief teaser. 
	
	-Max Schmid

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 09:55:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: wmackey@[removed]
To: "otr@[removed]" <otr@[removed]>
Subject: The Third Man
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>

LordLyndon, yes there really was a Third Man radio show, based on the 
film of the same name, starring Orson Welles.   Basically it was told in 
flashbacks after Harry Lime had died.  In fact, I seem to remember a log 
of the show posted a while back.  I have old copies archived at home, so 
if you are interested e-mail me privately and I'll look it up.  But then 
I am sure yor mail box is being e-bombed as it is.  :)
Joe Mackey

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 96 18:25:11 +0100
From: Marcus_Antonsson@[removed] (Marcus Antonsson)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: May I introduce myself?
Message-Id: <OA92-901-213p1_30fd8fa3@[removed]>

From: [removed]@[removed]
 
Hi all!
My name is Marcus Antonsson (call me Marc) and I live in Sweden in the
town of Jonkoping. I'm suffering from a very unusual handicap called
marble bone ilnes, it makes my skeleton extremely fragile and also made me
blind when I was about six months old. I'm using a computer equipped with
special devices for braille and speech.
Now you may ask how a sweed became interested in American otr? 
Well, it's quite simple. Another Swedish collector named Kent Hagglund
made a few programs for the Swedish radio where he presented some of the
greatest programs from the golden age of the American radio. I heard them
and was very interested since I've always been interested in old radio
both in Swedish and English. I got Kent's phone number and he turned out
to be a real pal. He gave me addresses to a few vendors and I ordered
catalogs and started to build my own collection. It's still quite small
but it's growing as fast as I can aford. Kent and I are also trading with
eachother. I'm interested in all programs but some of my favorites are: 
The shadow, the lone ranger, Speed Gibson, The great gildersleeve, Our
Miss Brooks, Mercury theatre, Suspense, Richard Diamond, Lights out, and
perhaps above all Gunsmoke.
 
When I found the otr site on the internet I of course joined the digest
emidiately. Kent would to, but he can't because the poor guy is
oversencitive to electricity and can't use computers.
 
If anyone of you wants to send personal e-mail to me please use this
address and not the one listed [removed]@[removed]
 
I hope we'll have much fun together in the future!
 
Yours
Marc

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Date: Wed, 17 Jan 1996 15:25:14 -0600
From: hhoward@[removed] (Henry Howard)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: WENN Foley
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>>. Anybody else catch the name of the sound effects guy: Mr.
>> [removed] in foley [removed] in movie sound effects folks. Cute.


Cue, but in the wrong time zone.  Jack didn't come around until 59.
Of course talk radio in the late 30's is a scarey concept too.



+++++ Henry Howard == The Atlanta Radio Theatre Company +++++
+++++    [removed]   or/artc /audiocraft     +++++
+++++               Produced at Audio Craft  (770) 923-7955
+++++
======================================================= (2)

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