Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #325
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Date: 8/18/2002 12:54 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 325
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Cancellation of Programs              [ William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed]; ]
      GUNSMOKE COPY                         [ andy ryan <anbryan2000@[removed]; ]
      Your Hit Parade                       [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      Today in radio history 8/18           [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Candy Candido                         [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      "WorldsGreatestOld-TimeRadioShows"    [ dantrigg422@[removed] ]
      The Green Valley Line                 [ Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed]; ]
      "Be sure to get _____ at your grocer  [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Nick Carter                           [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Re:Howard (Slime) Stern               [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Today's sound effects?                [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
      Nelson Eddy and War of the Worlds     [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      "George Gershwin Alone"               [ Peter Kinder <pdkinder@[removed]; ]
      Re: Arthur & Howard                   [ StevenL751@[removed] ]
      Best selling cigarettes               [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      WLS Family Albums                     [ MGiorgio1@[removed] ]
      Beverly Washburn                      [ John Gallagher <otrnut@[removed]; ]
      OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK schedule      [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
      Flash Gordon                          [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:52:55 -0400
    From: William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cancellation of Programs

    A short time ago someone spoke of the canbcellation of shows by the
    networks. Actually the shows were not owned by the networks, but by the
    advertising agencies, who controlled these actions. About 1950 there was
    a big mess. The agencies started playing games and   started maneuvering
    their shows, switching networks, which played havoc with the networks. I
    was with CBS=Hollywood at the time. CBS decided to counteract this
    situation by developing their own shows (Radio) using their own writing
    staff. ( Bob Caroll and Madeline Pugh were two that I remember).With the
    advent of TV, Lucille and Desi fformed their own company, Desilu,  took
    over a vacant motion picture studio, and took the CBS gang with them.
    Announcer Roy Rowan, musical director   Wilbur ("Bill") Hatch, audio
    engineer Cam McCulloch, were all CBS staff  people. Also the musicians
    themselves. The  cast also were radio actors.

    Bill Murtough

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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:53:04 -0400
    From: andy ryan <anbryan2000@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  GUNSMOKE COPY

    Thank you to list member Bell(lost your email), for
    the copy of "The New Hotel".  Generous and helpful.

    andy ryan

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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:53:48 -0400
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Your Hit Parade

    In Digest 319 William Halbe wrote:

>     For many years I have collected re-creations of Your Hit Parade Radio
>     Shows.  These shows were originally broadcast beginning in 1935.  I have
>     a few of these  original shows and would like to collect more if they
>     are available.  Can anyone help?

    Back in the 1980's Bea Wain and Andre Baruch produced and hosted a new
    series of "Your Hit Parade" using the original songs. This show was
    syndicated around the country. You should check these out.

    Barbara

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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:53:53 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history 8/18

      From Those Were The Days --

    1937 - The first FM radio construction permit was issued. It went to
    W1X0J, Boston, MA. The station went on the air as WGTR (General Tire &
    Rubber) in 1941.

      Joe

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    Visit my home page:
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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:52:25 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

      From Those Were The Days --

    1943 - Writer Norman Corwin's first success debuted on CBS radio. It was
    Passport for Adams, starring Rober Young who played a small town
    newspaper editor. Corwin would have many other radio successes. He wrote
    and produced such radio classics as This is War, An American in England
    and We Hold These Truths.

      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:54:26 -0400
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Candy Candido

    In Digest 314 Richard Pratz wrote about Candy Candido asked:

>     With a name as intriguing as his, the mere mention of it brought back lots
>     of memories. Anyone out there ever work with, or know more about Candido and
>     can fill the rest of us in on his career?

    You can hear Candy talking about his career when he was the guest speaker at
    a SPERDVAC meeting in January 1984. It's on tape #942 of SPERDVAC's General
    Library. He first came to a SPERDVAC meeting in November 1983 when Alan
    Young was the guest.

    The "SPERDVAC Presents" series (tapes of guest speakers at meetings) is an
    incredible wealth of information and memories of hundreds of OTR actors and
    often they are very entertaining as well. Most all of the meetings were
    audiotaped and in recent years videotaped as well, and these are available
    for members to check out by mail. Surprisingly they seldom are.

    Barbara

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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:54:35 -0400
    From: dantrigg422@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "WorldsGreatestOld-TimeRadioShows"
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    I received same offer as Rick Keating, but turned it down as it was a club
    where you had to return what you didn't want. That it "might" be part of
    Radio Spirits, I was glad to find out. After spending several thousand
    dollars with "Spirits" and their extremely slow service I'm glad I made that
    decision.

    Thanks to this digest I have found companies that offer more fore same price
    and very fast service. I will say that Radio Spirits has always offered to
    refund my money for slow service, but I am always patient as I love OTR.

    Sincerely
    Dan

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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:55:02 -0400
    From: Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Green Valley Line

    Searching for background information on the series "The Green Valely
    Line" described in J. David Goldin's index as "A story of a small
    back-country railroad in the early years of the twentieth century. A
    story of the lives of small town people in the America of thirty five
    years ago." Spider McGee and "Slim" arrive in Morristown to find that
    the Green Valley Line may be sold to the C. K. and W. railroad. "Slim"
    is really named Bill, and is the son of the millionaire owner of the C.
    K. and W.!

    "Bill is played by Rollon Parker, the voice of John Todd (Tonto!) is
    also heard. Since both Parker and Todd are veterans of "The Lone Ranger"
    program, it's safe to conclude that this series was probably recorded at
    and syndicated by WXYZ, Detroit."
    - -------------------------------------------------------------

    The approximate date of broadcast is about 1935 (story takes place at
    the turn of the century and the narrator states about it being "35 years
    ago"). I know of 26, 15 min. episodes, but at the end of episode 26 the
    narrator invites us back next week for "episode 27 the opening chapter
    in the second phase of The Green Valley Line. Was there ever more than
    the original 26 episodes broadcast? When was the series produced and
    broadcast? Was it produced at WXYZ, Detroit? (Many of the voices are the
    same as the Lone Ranger, Green Hornet actors)

    Thanks for any information.

    Gerry Wright
    ZoneZebra Productions
    San Francisco

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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:55:29 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Be sure to get _____ at your grocery store
     ...."

    Joe Mackey, speaking of sponsors of OTR shows, observes,

>     Speaking for myself, I have never been influenced to rush out and buy
>     whatever product was being hawked on a radio or tv show, no matter how
>     well the commercial is made.  (Sorry Hal).  I can't remember the last
>     time I brought anything because it was advertised.

    Speaking from my memories, I recall buying some stuff because I wanted
    the premium advertised on various radio shows, but found I liked the
    product and kept getting it.  For instance, there was Ovaltine.  I tried
    it first because I wanted the 1946 Mirro-Flash Code-O-Graph (my very
    first Code-O-Graph).  But particularly as one just having lived through
    World War II, if we bought something, we used it, and I found I really
    liked Ovaltine.  And i consumed plenty of it between premium offers.  I
    still drink it from time to time.

    But then there was Kellogg's Pep.  As a child, i started eating it
    because it advertised The Adventures of Superman, which I dug when I was
    in 4th grade.  I liked the flavor and ate it by the heaping bowlfuls.  I
    got well over the minimum in fiber intake, for sure.  But by the 1970s, I
    ran into Pep again, in one of those little single-serving boxes once in a
    company cafeteria.  An overwhelming wave of nostalgia washed over me and
    I bought it and ate it as before.  It tasted exactly as I remembered, but
    _my_ taste had changed.  My more adult taste identified it as a cross
    between Wheaties and cardboard.  There was a nostalgic pleasure about the
    taste, but I decided that I wouldn't eat any again for years, if at all.
    But I still enjoy an occasional Ovaltine.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:55:36 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Nick Carter

    In the "Let's keep abreast of the Radio Spirit's licenses" category, I
    wanted to pass this announcement on:

    CEDAR KNOLLS, [removed], July 18 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- MediaBay, Inc.
    (Nasdaq: MBAY - News), a leading media company specializing in spoken audio
    content, marketing and publishing, announced today that its Radio Spirits
    subsidiary -- the world's leading distributor of classic radio programs --
    has obtained long-term exclusive broadcast, reproduction and distribution
    rights to Nick Carter, Master Detective radio programs from Advance
    Magazine Publishers Inc. d/b/a The Conde Nast Publications Inc.

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:57:06 -0400
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:Howard (Slime) Stern

    I sort of promised myself I'd be on my good behavior, after the Hope
    controversy. But I figured I was on firm ground with that one, because I
    knew of what I spake! :)

    However, I cannot offer one bit of concrete evidence or personal experience
    as a basis for the opinion I am about to render about Howard Stern.

    In my humble opinion, based on over 50 years in the entertainment industry,
    Howard Stern is an incredible blight on that industry. I find him
    disgusting.

    He was disgusting back in his radio days, and his TV show goes down hill
    from there.

    Howard is what the industry now calls a "shock Jock". Much like the other
    purveyor of prurient pap, Jerry Springer.

    The more lascivious and outlandish the content of their programs, the more
    viewers and listeners they draw. But from the ranks of the illiterate and
    unintelligent segment of the population I certainly hope. Fans of his are
    like people gawking at train wrecks and mangled automobiles. There is a
    fascination with gore, genitals and various forms of living garbage.

    It is a sad commentary about the state of our society, that there are so
    many people out there that actually find those programs stimulating and
    entertaining, and have "Redeeming Social Value. In my opinion, they are
    gross, offensive, trite and have absolutely no redeeming social value, other
    than keeping the "animals" indoors to  watch them, which makes the streets a
    little more pleasant to walk down.

    Howard Stern is no dummy. But if anyone wants to challenge my assessment as
    to his lack of redeemable on-air qualities, supposed talent, and value as an
    entertainer, have at it. But If you are a Howard Stern fan, I suggest you
    just ignore this posting. You will not win an intellectual and informative
    debate with me on this topic.

    Compared to Howard Stern, Bob Hope can do no wrong, EVER!!!!!

    Peace to all

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Please send additional comments on this topic privately. I
    don't want to do this again so [removed]  --cfs3]

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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:38:53 -0400
    From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Today's sound effects?

        Michael Scott wrote that he wished someone would
    have the brains and guts to produce OTR type radio
    with today's sound effects. What exactly would that be
    Michael? For the last seven years I've been heavily
    involved in producing,writing,acting in and the
    syndication of radio drama. We've used the sounds of
    computers, cell phones, jet planes, answering machines
    and lint. Anything and everything, if it fit the
    story. I hope you're not refering to the sound of
    bodily functions. Naw, you couldn't be. That would
    take the show out of the OTR class and drop it down to
    Howard Sterns level.
                          Puzzled
                          Larry Albert

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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:39:09 -0400
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Nelson Eddy and War of the Worlds
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    I've heard the Edgar Bergen Halloween Eve 1938 show (it's on the Cronkite
    collection from Radio Spirits), and all I can say is that I sure would
    have quickly changed stations for relief after just a few moments of
    Nelson Eddy's first song.  Truly horrible stuff, at least to this pair of
    ears.

    ---Dan

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    Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:42:53 -0400
    From: Peter Kinder <pdkinder@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  "George Gershwin Alone"

    	Count on me to get to a play the week before its run ends, and
    "George Gershwin Alone" ends its run next Saturday at the American Repertory
    Theater in Cambridge, Mass.  It will have a brief revival in late September
    and October.

    	Written and performed by Hershey Felder, "George Gershwin Alone" is
    90 minutes of Gershwin biography mixed with songs and excellent piano.
    Felder, in character, sings harmony to the classic Jolson recording of
    "Suwannee", and it's just marvelous.

    	It is followed by a 30 minute "encore", which consists of a Gershwin
    sing-along -- much more fun than it sounds -- and a stirring rendition of
    "The Back Bay Polka", a hilarious, if dated, send up of all things Boston.
    Felder is a delightful raconteur, and his stories illuminate both Gershwin
    and the music business.

    	Of special interest to OTR fans is a recreation of a 1934 broadcast
    of "Music by Gershwin".  It includes a singing commercial for "Feenamint,
    the chewing gum laxative", a product whose spots I remember well but none
    set to a Gershwin melody.  Felder gives an impassioned reading of the spot.

    	I can't recommend the show highly enough.  In fact, I'm going back
    next week.

    Peter Kinder

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    Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:14:17 -0400
    From: StevenL751@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Arthur & Howard

    In a message dated 8/17/2002 5:03:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

>     I and the OTR community are waiting for someone to have the guts to
>     produce OTR type radio but with
>     some of today's sound [removed] guess there's no producer out there with

    the

>     brains and guts to try it.

    On the contrary, there are plenty of producers out there today who are
    creating imaginative and entertaining "radio" dramas.  Producers like Tom
    Lopez (ZBS Foundation), Henry Howard (Atlanta Radio Theatre Company),  and
    Craig Wichman (Quicksilver Radio Theatre), just to name a few.   Joel Pierson
    (Mind's Ear Audio Theater) recently produced a very funny 10-part series
    called "The Dante Experience", which Max Schmid just started broadcasting on
    his Monday night show on WBAI.  Even my own Gotham Radio Players have
    produced a number of original audio dramas.  The trick producers of audio
    drama face today is getting their work heard.  It's rare that most of these
    shows will be heard on air.  More likely they will be released to CD or
    cassette and will be sold directly to interested listeners.

    Steve Lewis

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    Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:15:31 -0400
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Best selling cigarettes

    Like Jer I found the statement that Chesterfield cigarettes was a minor
    brand before they began  sponsoring Arthur Godfrey, curious to put it
    mildly.  I'm just going on my memory as a child but it seems to me that
    Chesterfield  certainly was spending one heck of alot of money on radio
    advertising not to mention other media for a company with small sales. I
    can't honestly say that Chesterfield spent more money on radio
    advertising than Lucky Strike, Phillip Morris, or Camels, but it sure
    seemed like it.  They Sponsored Glenn Miller's Moonlight Serenade three
    nights a week for nearly three years and Miller had just signed a new
    contract with them worth a  heck of alot of money even in today's
    inflated money.  I want to say one million dollars, but I can't document
    that. I know I have the source on that here somewhere but could not come
    up with it just now. This was the contract that he gave up to go into
    the service in 1942.
    At the same time Chesterfield was sponsoring Fred Waring and his huge
    organization and had just prior been sponsoring Paul Whiteman and his
    orch. I'm sure that  other people on this list could come up with more
    shows sponsored  by Liggett and Myers at this time which was 1939-1942.

    Anybody remember Wings? I think that at one time, probably during the
    depression, that Wings was the biggest selling brand. But that was
    because they were the cheapest brand. I remember them still being around
    in the late 40's. It seems that I recall jokes being made about them
    also.

    As far as "C"rations go they were definitely that old. When I was in the
    Army in the middle 50's we were opening up "C" rations cartons and
    throwing everything away but the cookies. Boy was that stuff awful. It
    really tore your stomach up after a few days of eating it. And the
    cigarettes were so [removed] old were they George?  they were so
    old that even the German girls refused to take them.  They knew exactly
    what they were. "C" ration cigarettes! They were very dried out and very
    strong and burned very quickly. Even German cigarettes were better than
    that.

    I'd like to see some numbers on the sales of the various brands of
    cigarettes thru the years. Anybody know if such exists?

    George Aust

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    Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:14:36 -0400
    From: MGiorgio1@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WLS Family Albums

    Hi all,

    I picked up three WLS Family Albums recently at an antique mall (they were
    literally stuffed inside a bookcase, but my keen eye for things OTR scoped
    them out).  My question is [removed] exactly were these produced?  Were they
    given/sold to the general public or were they internal or for sponsors or
    what?  And, just out of curiousity because I won't part with them, what are
    they worth?  Gotta know if I got a good deal.  :)

    Michael Giorgio
    Waukesha, WI
    (Birthplace of Les Ford)

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    Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:15:44 -0400
    From: John Gallagher <otrnut@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Beverly Washburn
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    OTR Fans:

    Beverly Washburn will be starring in a recreation of "Sorry, Wrong Number" at
    the FOTR Convention this Fall (Saturday October 26, 2002 at 4:45).

    Don't miss it.

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    Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:15:39 -0400
    From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK schedule

    Heres the linup for the week starting: Sunday, August 18th - through  August
    24th at:
    [removed]
    On demand streaming audio at 32 kbps   24/7

    SAME TIME SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges
    Jerry offers "Culture Week" with a variety of great shows:
    1. THE PHILADELPHIA OPERA    2/11/40  "The Old Maid and the Thief" narrated by
        Milton Cross with the Orchestra conducted by Silvin Levin.
    2. THE RAILROAD HOUR    10/11/48   "Anything Goes"   starring:
        Gordon MacRae, Margaret Whiting and Victor Moore.
    3. THE LONGINES SYMPHONETTE    9/15/43    First program with Michel
        Piastro conducting.

    HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood
    Looking at some shows from the host's birthday:
    1. CRIME AND PETER CHAMBERS    4/27/54     NBC    Stars Dane Clark in:
       "A Housefull of Suspects"
    2. DAVID HARDING/COUNTERSPY     4/27/50     ABC    Don MacLaughin in the
        title role -  "The Case of the Murdered Confessor"
    3. COLGATE SPORTS NEWSREEL with BILL STERN    5/20/49    NBC
        Program #499        Guest:   Movie star, Ida Lupino

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    Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:25:34 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Flash Gordon

    I am doing some update research on Science Fiction on Radio and am trying
    to determine the name of the actress who portrayed the character Dale Arden
    in both the West Coast series which ran from April to October, 1935 as well
    as the second casting in September, 1935.

    In the former series, I already know who played Flash (Gale Gordon), Dr.
    Zarkov (Maurice Franklin), and Ming (Bruno Wick).  But Dale Arden seems to
    be unknown in any previously published mentions including Dunning among others.

    I have had contact with Himan Brown but as would be expected for someone
    who has many different productions and years under his belt, he cannot
    recall. So I am still looking.

    If anyone has any source information that would help, I would appreciate
    hearing from you via private email.

    Thanks.

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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