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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 01 : Issue 218
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Archie Vs. Henry [hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Archie Movies [hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
REPS Showcase IX ["David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed]]
gildersleeve uncapitalized [neil crowley <og@[removed]; ]
"killer" bartell ["randy story" <BYGEORGE@[removed]; ]
Archie vs Henry ["Dr. Gavin Pillay" <gavinp@[removed].]
log search ["randy story" <BYGEORGE@[removed]; ]
INTRODUCTION [Richard Bauman <RBauman@compuserve.]
Family Theater ["jstokes" <jstokes@[removed]; ]
Quisp [Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
more on Archie movies ["J. Randolph Cox" <cox@[removed]]
"Gracie Allen and Information Please ["[removed] Wolfe" <rjrmemorabilia@yahoo.]
Re: Heartbeat Theater ["J. Alec West" <Alec@[removed];]
Burns & Allen Show [dabac@[removed] ]
Public Domain & Hopalong Cassidy [Jack Harris <jack@[removed]]
Re: REPS Showcase IX from the eyes o ["J. Pope" <jpope101@[removed]]
gildersleeve [JimInks@[removed] ]
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:30:08 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Archie Vs. Henry
Jer 5147 (an obvious troublemaker) asks.
Just an opinion of course, realizing the expected predjudice of Mr. Stone,
but really, wasnt Archie directed more at children or at least teenagers
while Henry was directed more at teenagers maybe, but also at adults?.
What predjudice, you &(*^^$)(_* Smarty Pants! :)
Just kidding Jer. You should know by now that I can't resist "clowning"
around in these pages. After all, wasn't that what "Jughead" was know for?
The time slots seem to bear this out, Archie Saturday in the [removed] and Henry
in not only prime time, but if memory serves me correctly, at nine or
nine-thirty. The Aldrich Family was one of our very favorites(parents and
kids) while Saturday morning wasnt a good listening time for my parents or
for me as i took advantage of this time to play cowboys, football, baseball,
or basketball.
Alas! poor Jer. A perfect example of misspent childhood! :)
As an adult, i still listen to Henry, but only have
one program of Archie. Maybe i need to expand on Archie.
Please wait until I can start collecting royalities, [removed] :)
It would be interesting to hear from others on the Digest
concerning the the comedy of each show and the targeted audience.
[removed] I got the message. I won't hog the "stage". Or impose my "prejudicial"
views.:)
Comments please! Be honest Harlan. Only kidding of course. I do
realize that the "best" show doesnt necessarily have anything to do with age
level of the intended audience, but how do you see it?
Seeing as how you asked the question, Jer, I will take my leave with the
following comments.
You are absolutely correct in your assessment of both programs. "Henry" was
definitely geared to a more mature Nightime audiences, while "Archie" went
for the younger crowd on Saturday Mornings,
It's like comparing apples and oranges. But I can't resist one parting shot.
As I mentioned (somewhat tongue in cheek) in my posting to the good Dr.
Pillay, and I quote.
"When we'd occasionally meet, the cast members of each of these two
different Radio shows would often "tease" each other as to which program was
better. However, we will let the "ratings" speak for themselves. The
"Archie" show was, for many years, the TOP RATED Saturday "daytime" show on
the air. (At least, that was NBC's propaganda at the time). To my knowledge,
the "Aldrich Family" was never the Top Rated program for the night that they
were on. HA! I say again! :) (END QUOTE)
But in later years, Ezra Stone was always fond of teasing Bob Hastings about
the fact that the "Aldrich" show was sponsored, while the "Archie" show was
sustaining for most of it's life. But then, Ezra was always a smart a**.
Honestly, as far as the two shows are concerned. "Never the Twain Shall
Meet"!
But if you want to get into the quality of the acting in either instance, be
sure you bring a bodyguard! :)
Hal(Harlan)Stone
"Jughead"
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:30:38 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Archie Movies
Paul Grieves asked,
Here's a question - There were a couple of Aldritch movies made following on
from the radio show. Given the comments Hal has made about how Archie and
Aldritch battled it out for top position, where there ever any Archie movies
? Or even plans for such ?
Paul, I'm sure other more knowledgeable "Posters" can answer you, but for
what it's worth, here's what I recall.
As to a feature length "Archie", I don't think so.
There was an attempt at a TV series, but I don't believe it was successful.
At a Sperdvac convention some years back, a dealer showed me a videotape of
the TV show, but I don't know if it was only the pilot, or one of a few
episodes. (It wasn't very good, IMHO.)
I also think they made a TV cartoon series for awhile, but I never saw it.
I was into big kid stuff by then.
Regards,
Hal(Harlan)Stone
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:30:43 -0400
From: "David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: REPS Showcase IX
Sean Dougherty's account of the Seattle REPS convention is outstanding. I
almost feel as if I was able to be there. Sean mentions "the 3000 mile
journey." How I envy him being able to make this trip. I had intended to
attend, but other matters prevented me from doing so. Maybe next year. To
have the opportunity to experience so many recreations, to be able to see,
meet with, and interact with so many notable OTR personalities -- that has
to be a privilege unsurpassed. Sean, thank you for filling us in, those of
us who could not be there. And thank you for such a full and exciting
account.
Dave Phaneuf
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:30:55 -0400
From: neil crowley <og@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: gildersleeve uncapitalized
"Gildersleeve", as W C Fields used it, may have been fading slang, now
lost. The OED has no entries for "gildersleeve" but does say a "gilder" is
a snare for birds and, by extension, the person who uses the gilder to
snare the feathered fiends. A gilder is also one who layers the surface of
an object with gold.
Fields seems to mean the one who snares. Although many who have been thus
snared have found that gilding the gildersleeve can be wonderfully liberating.
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:53:24 -0400
From: "randy story" <BYGEORGE@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: "killer" bartell
hello, kids.
i just heard the final part of a GUNSMOKE episode in which announcer hal
gibney referred to harry bartell as harry "the killer" bartell. i thought it
was very amusing. any rememberances on this, mr. bartell? has anyone else
heard the comment or one like it?
then [removed] my anti-depressants are jerking me around again.
thanks.
randy
bygeorge@[removed]
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:53:26 -0400
From: "Dr. Gavin Pillay" <gavinp@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Archie vs Henry
Hi all,
Keeping with the current Archie/Henry thread of discussion.
I would be interested to know if some of the characters that were
in the comic , viz, Reggie,Moose,Dilton,Mr. Weatherbee and Ms Grundy
ever made an appearance in the radio show.
>From the handful of shows I've been able to listen to, it seems to be
centred
more around the Andrews [removed] particularly Fred, whereas the comics
were centred around Archie.
Any Views on this ?
-Gavin
[removed] oh and Relax .. Hal Stone ..... Relaxxxxx :)
(It's certainly is wonderful to hear comments from a live radio star heh )
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 16:53:28 -0400
From: "randy story" <BYGEORGE@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: log search
hi again, kids!
i have been taking advantage of extra time these last few days in order to
get my collection logged. i have been able to utilize several wonderful
online log sites(thanks jerry, frank, and copperhead!!!!).
unfortunately, i have not been able to find logs for:
ARCHIE ANDREWS(hi, hal!)
BIG TOWN
LIFE WITH LUIGI(not a great show in my humble opinion)
BULLDOG DRUMMOND
BING CROSBY SHOW
THE ABBOTT & COSTELLO SHOW
COUNTER SPY
AMOS & ANDY(are you there, elizabeth?)
BOB & RAY SHOW
FIRST NIGHTER
MR. KEEN
MR. DISTRICT ATTORNEY
GRANDBY'S GREEN ACRES
PERRY MASON
SEARS RADIO THEATRE
MAYOR OF THE TOWN
can anyone help me out?
thanks.
randy
bygeorge@[removed]
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:56:38 -0400
From: Richard Bauman <RBauman@[removed];
To: OTRNET <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: INTRODUCTION
Your introductory message asked me to introduce myself to the group. I
will probably be more of a lurker but I do have a long term interest in
Carleton E. Morse, particularly his "I Love A Mystery" but also "I Love
Adventure" and "Adventures By Morse." I also collect and enjoy OTR science
fiction and fantasy programs.
I like to think of myself as one of Carlton's greatest fans of "I Love A
Mystery." I grew up in Portland, Oregon and listened to the second series
from 1949 to 1952, weeknights at 10 pm. I was supposed to be asleep so the
lights were off, adding to the atmosphere. I loved every minute of it and
remember being desolate when the series ended. I graduated from high
school in 1953 and went to Willamette U. and then Stanford, graduating in
1958 from both schools.
After graduation I stayed in the Bay Area and had a 33 year career with GTE
as an engineer. On retiring I consulted for a few years and now do
volunteer work and pursue my own interests. In the 1960's I continued my
interest in "Old Time Radio" discovering there were tapes available of a
few of the ILAM shows which I purchased. In the 1970's I joined SPERDVAC
and took an OTR class at Foothill College. It was through that class that
I was finally able to meet Carlton. At the time he generously invited me
to visit his home and read some of his scripts. I was never brave enough
to accept his invitation, to my sorrow. However, I continued my interest
in Carlton and his works and in the late 1980's purchased the novels that
he published which he kindly autographed.
In 1991 I discovered that Carlton had donated his ILAM scripts to Stanford.
This was my opportunity to read them all. I began and eventually
synopsized each of the 49 ILAM scripts. While working at Stanford I met
the Morse's lawyer, and the producer who had the rights to make TV and
movie productions of the scripts. They found my synopses useful so the
lawyer began to loan me scripts that I could take home and read more
comfortably. This made my pursuit much easier. I finally finished my
Herculean task in 1998. I read the synopses now occasionally and continue
to wish that more of the radio tapes would be discovered.
There is a piece of folklore that the original transcription disks of many
of the ILAM shows were stolen. The story continues that they were
purchased by a "Texan" who is sitting on them as they are stolen property.
Fans like me continue to hope that some day the missing shows will surface.
In one of the posts Jeff Oransky mentioned that there is a recreated
version of "Temple of Vampires." I would very much like to obtain a copy
of this version. Any information on a source would be appreciated.
Regards, Richard Bauman aka Bear
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 17:56:36 -0400
From: "jstokes" <jstokes@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Family Theater
Am looking for information about "Family Theater" that I recall running
in the 40s and 50s. There were a lot of stars who took parts in those
dramas.
Maybe Hal Stone knows something about it. A Father Peyton was the show
host. I saw some 16-inch transcriptions of the show years ago.
Jim Stokes
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:22:18 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Quisp
Sean, you might not know that there is a quisp web site:
[removed] that might have some information. And yes, the voice
of the Quisp character was indeed Daws Butler. The Quisp alien, if you've
ever seen the commercials, will remind you of Jay Ward and Bill Scott
characters. This is because General Mills contracted with Ward and Scott to
create several cereal characters, two of which were Quisp and Capn' Crunch.
Quisp's rival was Quake (not related to the company name), a spelunking
superhero in a hard hat and logging boots whose brawny arms and chest
enabled him to swim at terrific speed through bedrock, particularly when
angry. Voiced by Bill Conrad, who narrated Rocky and Bullwinkle, Quake came
from the center of the earth, where he made his breakfast food "with
deep-down sweetness and vitamins to give you the power of an earthquake."
While Quake brought brute strength to the table - he once broke open a
granite cliff with his head - Quisp was agile and brainy.
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:30:52 -0400
From: "J. Randolph Cox" <cox@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: more on Archie movies
In 1964 there was an unsold pilot for an Archie TV series produced by Screen
Gems. It was remarkably good. It was available on video a couple of years
ago on a cassette called Video Comics: Lost TV Pilots. And there was a
decade of Archie animated cartoons on Saturday mornings 1968-1978 under
various titles. The Return to Riverdale was made in 1990 and seems to be
currently available on video
Randy Cox
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:53:22 -0400
From: "[removed] Wolfe" <rjrmemorabilia@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Gracie Allen and Information Please"
Hi Gang;
Gracie Allen was indeed a smart lady and
almost everyone who met her in person was almost
always disappointed to find out that she wasn't really
the daffy dame that she played on television. That's
how convincingly she played the part that George
created for her.
As for her display of "intelligence"
on "Information Please" that's was helped along by the
show's format. Whenever it first started, the regualr
emcee was Clifton Fadiman and the only revolving
panelist was Franklin P. Adams. Oscar Levant and
Walter Kiernan were extremely popular guests on the
program and they eventually rounded out the panel of
"highly touted experts" and with 3 regulars it left
room usually for only one guest. Some of the more
illustrious guests included Moss Hart, Claire Booth
Luce, Fred Allen, Orson Welles, Boris Karloff, Mel
Allen, John Carradine and of course Gracie Allen. But
guess what gang? The show was tilted a bit.
You see,
Oscar Levant was a genius whenever it came to musical
questions so whom do you think answered all the
queries in that field? Franklin P. Adams speciality
was sports and guess who normally fielded the
questions in that area? And Walter Kiernan answered
all the general knowledge questions. On the
"Information Please" with Gracie she's in complete
character and answers two different questions. You
didn't think that Mr. Fadiman was going to ask
questions that she couldn't answer, do you? Two of the
highlights of the show were an episode in 1938 where
Orson Welles corrects Clifton Fadiman twice and
another from a few seasons later. This particular
broadcast aired on Clifton Fadmin's birthday and
unbeknownst he became the "highly touted expert" for
the evening while Franklin P. Adams read the question.
Clifton Fadiman even emceed "Information Please" on
television but the game was just a little bit too
sedate to work on "the box." He also hosted "Quiz
Kids" and a program on "[removed]" on Sundays in the
1960's called "Alumni Fun" which pitted grown ups vs
their children. Yes, "Information Please" was one of
the most entertaining game shows on radio and it's
still fun trying to match wits with the "Highly touted
experts."
The Benny-Allen thread has been very interesting
but nobody has mentioned Fred Allen's crowning
achievement during the height of the feud. It happens
during a program called "King For A Day" when a game
show contestant by the name of "Myron Proudfoot"
appears on the "King For A Day" game show which is
being emceed by Fred Allen. It all culminates with the
longest laugh I've ever heard on any radio show and in
fact could be the longest laugh in radio history.
Kenny DeLmar is laughing hysterically as he attempts
to read the closing announcements and you can her the
audience continuing to laugh as he reads them. Just
what to did Mr. Allen do to "Myron Proudfoot" to
elicit such laughter? If I tell you, it'll spoil the
show before you've even listened to it.
By the way, I
haven't seen any answers to the last trivia question I
posed. Does anybody know what "Mr. Haney's" two first
names were? (They could actually be a first and a
middle name because the monikers are almost
interchangable.) On an episode of "Green Acres," a
state trooper pulls "Mr. Haney" over, takes one look
at him and says, "Well if it isnt Uncle ____. Then a
while after that "Nickeloden" aired a "Green Acres"
reunion apecial with Eddie Albert, Eva Gabor and Pat
Buttram in which the interviewer asked him if "Mr.
Haney" had a first name. Pat Buttram responded, "Sure"
and then gave an entirely different first name from
the one his nephew called him in that episode of
"Green Acres." Do you know what those two names were
and did you know that "Green Acres" was actually a
radio show long before Eddie Albert and Eva Gabor
moved to "Hooterville?" It was and I'll leave you with
one more question - Got any idea who played "Eb?"
And once
again I promise that once "RJR" is up and running
again I'll let anyone who responds correctly have a
free prize of their choice. But it still looks like
October before the business will be up and running
again.
Goodnight all
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:53:24 -0400
From: "J. Alec West" <Alec@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Heartbeat Theater
I'll be moving in the not too-distant future and have my original disks all
boxed up ... but I do have a small collection of the red Heartbeat Theater
disks. I know they hail from 1962 or earlier ... and my favorite of the bunch
was "The Day The Earth Shook," about the 1906 earthquake in San Francisco.
The reason I'm certain of the 1962 date is because my Oregon hometown was
deluged by what was referred to as the "Columbus Day Storm." The John Day
River overflowed its banks and flooded out KJDY, the local radio station. In
the aftermath, I rode over there on my bike and saw them tossing wet boxloads
of disks into a dumpster ... and asked the station manager if I could have
them. He said sure and I made about 4 trips by bike (with one free arm as full
of disks as I could hold) ... and on the last trip back, found the dumpster had
been carted off. I cleaned and dried the disks and later found they all played
well. I also got some Guard Session shows with Stan Kenton & Orchestra, some
Lawrence Welk shows ([removed] Navy, advertiser), PSAs like Yogi Bear Summer Safety
Tips, and ads such as the "Slippery Pete" commercials for Mercury (which
sounded a lot like Yosemite Sam <grin>).
Regards,
J. Alec West
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:35:11 -0400
From: dabac@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Burns & Allen Show
The recent posts on gracie allen got me to wondering about something.
>From what I`ve gathered from reading the posts here and elsewhere for
the past several months, I have gotten the impression that the burns and
allen show currently does not enjoy the same degree of popularity with
oldtime radio enthusiasts as some of their contemporaries. Is this
correct? If so, to what would reader`s attribute this? I have listened
to several of the shows and found them to be quite humorous, and very
well done. While I`m on the subject, in their heyday, how did burns and
allen compare with shows like jack benny, fibber & molly, amos & andy
[removed]
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:30:53 -0400
From: Jack Harris <jack@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Public Domain & Hopalong Cassidy
Hopalong [removed] name is in the public domain. A friend of mine
has been researching whether or not he can distribute the tv shows as they
have a copyright. However the Name Hopalong Cassidy is out of copyright so
we are still trying to find out what can be done. This should also apply
to the radio broadcasts. I guess the next step is to wait and see if we
are challenged.
Jack
for dive videos, computers and astronomy
visit [removed]
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 22:05:48 -0400
From: "J. Pope" <jpope101@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: REPS Showcase IX from the eyes of youth
The eyes of [removed] poetic, Michael! Thanks for saving me the
trouble of introducing myself =) I must chime in with those who've
applauded the "Three Skeleton Key" recreation. It was my first exposure
to that episode and a truly incredible experience (especially since I had
my eyes closed throughout). BTW, hello to Sean Dougherty; it was nice
meeting you at dinner.
Jennifer
"...and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world."
Matthew 28:20
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 06:56:55 -0400
From: JimInks@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: gildersleeve
John Mayer sez:
Unable to find this one in my Webster's Unabridged or online, but the
word certainly calls to mind the special robes Chief Justice Rehnquist
designed for himself. It is, though, I find, an actual surname.
How true. In a comic book trade newspaper letter's column, I've seen a
reader named Greg Gildersleeve's name several times. I wonder if he ever
heard of the Great Gildersleeve?
-Jim Amash
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