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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 221
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Husband & Wife Teams                  [ dougdouglass@[removed] ]
      cleaning heads/laurel and hardy       [ Huckenterprises@[removed] ]
      Re: Laurel and Hardy                  [ "jazmaan@[removed]" <dmf273@ya ]
      7-22 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Husband/wife teams                    [ Alan Chapman <[removed]@verizon. ]
      OTR Husband And Wife Teams            [ Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed]; ]
      Petrillo                              [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      Laurel & Hardy on radio               [ Mark Hanna <mmmwh@[removed]; ]
      Make Up Your Mind                     [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
      Make Up Your Mind                     [ "WILLIS G Saunders" <saunders8@veri ]
      More on Laurel & Hardy                [ "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@bas ]
      Laurel and Hardy Radio Series Pilot   [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
      Re: Prercorded network Program druin  [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      More Couples                          [ "David S. Siegel" <otrdsiegel@veriz ]
      RE: Husband & Wife teams              [ "D. FISHER" <dfisher052@[removed] ]
      A and A theme song                    [ Clif Martin <martbart@[removed]; ]
      Laurel and Hardy                      [ "Barnett, Tom L" <[removed]@acs ]
      Digest Issue #217                     [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 21:34:56 -0400
    From: dougdouglass@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Husband & Wife Teams

    In New York: Jinx Falkenberg and Tex McCrary, Alfred and Dora McCann,
    Candy Jones and Long John Nebel.

    Doug Douglass

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:03:23 -0400
    From: Huckenterprises@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  cleaning heads/laurel and hardy
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    Laurel and Hardy did indeed do radio. They appeared in "Mr. Slater's Poultry
    Market," 3/6/44 as an audition show, 30 minutes. It was the only show in the
    series. It has been  mentioned they did Mail Call with Lucille Ball, and that
    is also available, including the wedding sequence with Patsy Moran--copies of
    that skit have been around a long time.  I believe Jerry Haendiges still has
    both complete programs available on cassette and CD.

    As for the "This Is Your Life" episode, Stan did not want to appear in
    anything that he was not prepared for, thus his reluctance to be on the show
    and
    Edwards' ad-libbing for awhile before the boys finally appeared. I saw the
    original Edwards' 16mm print at ABC studios in Chicago back in the 70s when
    Edwards
    was to appear on a local show. Now, bad dupes are abounding in 16mm. I now
    have it on audio tape and on VHS. Quality not as good as Edwards' original
    print.

    Isopropyl alcohol is ok for cleaning heads and can be used to clean pinch
    rollers as long as you do not soak the roller in alcohol. Use sparingly and
    very
    seldom on rubber parts. A better solution is to use a product called S-721H,
    from American Recorder Technologies, Inc. I've been using it for years on
    heads
    and pinch rollers on my tape decks--it leaves no residue and helps rubber
    parts also. I have no connection with this outfit, but check it all out at
    [removed]

    Chuck Huck

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:03:37 -0400
    From: "jazmaan@[removed]" <dmf273@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Laurel and Hardy

    The Laurel and Hardy Show was a 1/2 hour 1944 radio pilot for NBC. The boys
    played delivery men
    mistaken for killers.

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:03:44 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  7-22 births/deaths

    July 22nd births

    07-22-1898 - Stephen Vincent Benet - Bethlehem, PA - d. 3-13-1943
    writer: "Columbia Workshop"
    07-22-1908 - Amy Vanderbilt - Staten Island, NY - d. 12-27-1974
    etiquette expert: "Jack Benny Program"
    07-22-1908 - Shirley Howard - d. 1-13-1988
    singer: "Tommy Riggs and Betty Lou"
    07-22-1910 - Dorris Macon - d. 2-xx-1982
    singer: (Son of Uncle Dave Macon) :"Grand Ole Opry"
    07-22-1913 - Licia Albanese - Bari, Italy
    singer: "Treasure Hour of Song"
    07-22-1917 - Lou McGarity - Athens, GA - d. 8-28-1971
    jazz trombonist: "Eddie Condon's Jazz Concert"; "Arthur Godfrey Show"
    07-22-1922 - Jason Robards, Jr. - Chicago, IL - d. 12-26-2000
    actor: "Pepper Young's Family"
    07-22-1924 - Margaret Whiting - Detroit, MI
    singer: "Philip Morris Frolics"; "Barry Wood Show"; "Bob Hope Show"
    07-22-1928 - Orson Bean - Burlington, VT
    actor: "Chamber Music Society of Lower Basin Street"

    July 22nd deaths

    01-06-1878 - Carl Sandburg - Galesburg, IL - d. 7-22-1967
    poet: "Cavalcade of America"; "Columbia Workshop"; "Word from the People"
    01-16-1894 - John B. Kennedy - Wales, Great Britain - d. 7-22-1961
    commentator: "Collier's Hour"; "RCA Magic Key"
    03-10-1898 - Cy Kendall - St. Louis, MO - d. 7-22-1953
    actor: Captain Tracy "Tarzan"; Fred Thompson "One Man's Family"; "Escape"
    03-12-1910 - Tony Galento - Orange, NJ - d. 7-22-1979
    boxer, actor: "[removed] Marine Band"
    03-19-1916 - Eric Christmas - London, England - d. 7-22-2000
    actor: "CBC Wednesday Night"
    03-21-1867 - Florenz Ziegfeld - Chicago, IL - d. 7-22-1932
    showman: "Ed Sullivan Show"; "Ziegfeld Follies of the Air"
    07-05-1908 - Don Dunphy - New York City, NY - d. 7-22-1998
    boxing play-by-play broadcaster: "Joe Louis vs. Billy Conn 6-18-1941"; "Navy
    Relief Program"
    07-21-1915 - Floyd McDaniel - Athens, AL - d. 7-22-1995
    guitarist, vocalist: (Member of the Ink Spots) "The Four Ink Spots"; "Let's
    Go Nightclubbing"
    10-07-1853 - James Whitcomb Riley - Greenfield, IN - d. 7-22-1916
    writer: "Way Down Home" a musical tribute drama based on Riley's life
    10-20-1900 - Wayne Morse - Dane County, WI - d. 7-22-1974
    [removed] senator: "Rebuttal"
    11-17-1911 - Jack Lescoulie - Sacramento, CA - d. 7-22-1987
    announcer, emcee: "Grouch Club"; "Meet the Champions"
    12-20-1900 - Ted Fio Rito - Newark, NJ - d. 7-22-1971
    bandleader: "Presenting Al Jolson"; "Wonder Show"; "Jack Haley Show"
    xx-xx-1911 - John Carter - Brooklyn, NY - d. 7-22-1988
    singer: "Charlie McCarthy Show"; "Voice of Firestone"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 22:03:28 -0400
    From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed];
    To: Old-Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Husband/wife teams

    Let's not forget Mike Wallace and Buff Donnelly of the "Mike and Buff" show.

    -- Alan

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    Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:02:53 -0400
    From: Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR Husband And Wife Teams
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    How about Jinx Falkenburg and Richard Kollmar (The Tex And Jinx Show.)Hume
    Cronyn And Jessica Tandy may not count as they only appeared on other shows.

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    Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:03:50 -0400
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Petrillo

    Mr Petrillo was mentioned--challenged, and generally laughed at, in point of
    fact--by one Mr Bugs Bunny at the very end of a Warner Brothers cartoon.

    M Kinsler
    512 E Mulberry St. Lancaster, Ohio USA 43130 740-687-6368
    [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:04:11 -0400
    From: Mark Hanna <mmmwh@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Laurel & Hardy on radio

    Jerry Haendiges offers this from his collection:

    ""The Laurel & Hardy Show" was an NBC audition program
    from March 6th, 1944. Titled "Mr. Slater's Poultry
    Market", it involves the boys, as usual, getting into
    one jam after another. They go from delivering
    chickens to being mistaken for cold-blooded hired
    killers."

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    Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:04:23 -0400
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Make Up Your Mind

    Jim Taylor asks about the series "Make Up Your Mind."

    Jay Hickerson's "Ultimate History" compendium lists this series as CBS
    show airing from 8-17-53 to 10-2-56. The show was only 15 minutes long,
    but ran five times a week. It was sponsored by Wonder Bread. No
    surviving copies have been located yet.

    I can find no other standard OTR reference that has any information
    about it. I suspect it may not have been a quiz show as such since no
    mention of it appears in "Quiz Craze" by Thomas DeLong (Praeger, 1991),
    one of the most extensive books written about radio and TV quiz shows.

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
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    Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:11:43 -0400
    From: "WILLIS G Saunders" <saunders8@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Make Up Your Mind

    While sitting here against a tree, scratching the moss on my back, I think
    may be able to be of some help regarding "Make Up Your Mind."  The object of
    the game was this:  A hypothetical problem was presented to a panel of
    contestants.  The problem had three possible solutions, and the job of the
    panel was to choose either the best one or the best one for the particular
    circumstances.  If the studio aggreed, the listener who sent in the problem
    won a prize.  I think the panelists also got a prize, but my memory's a
    little hazy on that.  Sorry for the fuzz, but I have an "Old Gray Mare"
    memory--it ain't what it used to be.

    Buck Saunders

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    Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:43:59 -0400
    From: "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@[removed];
    To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  More on Laurel & Hardy

    I have been doing a lot of internet searching and finally found that
    collection which includes Laurel & Hardy.  See:
    [removed];ProductID=138165

    It says there are 8 episodesof L & H in this collection.  However, the total
    time is only 42mins 12 secs -- which means not quite 5-minutes for each
    episode.  The boys must have had some kind of short "filler" show.

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    Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:46:49 -0400
    From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Laurel and Hardy Radio Series Pilot

    There was quite a bit of hub-bub a while back, when news of a Laurel and
    Hardy pilot, surfaced.

    Scott MacGillivray was apparently the fellow who unearthed this info in
    his book,  LAUREL AND HARDY: FROM THE FORTIES FORWARD.

    "Mr. Slayter's Poultry Market" was recorded for NBC, but never
    broadcast, on March 6, 1944.

    There's a good overview of Laurel and Hardy's radio stuff at Laurel and
    Hardy Central - Hard Boiled Eggs & Nuts--but you'l have to hit the
    ephemera icon on the left, and then, at the page, scroll down:

    [removed]

    There's also a synopsis of the show, at:

    [removed]

    Best, Jim Burns

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    Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:47:04 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:  Prercorded network Program druing summer

    From: jim taylor <bettylouson@[removed];

>     I was reminded of the years when the radio networks
>     delayed programs for one hour in parts of the nation
>     that did not observe daylight saving time. I have a
>     series of questions about this practice.

>     One: when did all four radio networks begin this tape delay
>     system and what year did this way of broadcasting programs
>     in the summer months start?

    I believe NBC and ABC started in 1946.  I'm not sure about the other two.

>     Two: Did the networks or the local stations make the recordings?

    The network did it in these two [removed] stations could do delays
    themselves with permission, usually for pre-emptions for ball games and
    things like that.  The most famous (and fortunate) long term station
    recorded time delay was KIRO delaying CBS news coverage in the late 30s
    thru the war years.  CBS did very little archive recording themselves, so
    most CBS news comes from this collection.

>     Three: was this an expensive process for the networks and stations?

    Sure was!

>     Four: how many tapes recorders were needed, because
>     programs had to start right on the second and the pates
>     had to be rewound did this put wear and tare on the equipment?

    First of all, let me mention that during ABC's first year, and probably for
    three years in the case of NBC, they did it on disc!!!!  They used tens of
    thousands of discs.  Because NBC recorded these on both sides of the discs
    (they usually otherwise used only one side) there usually were unrelated
    programs on the reverse sides.  In the mid 1960s they realized that these
    discs nearly equaled the size of the whole rest of their disc archive, and
    they culled thru these delay discs and saved only the programs they wanted
    to preserve.  When I was doing my dissertation research in their Central
    Files office in 1971 and 72 there was a producer from Fleetwood Records
    going thru the reverse sides of these discs to find any sports broadcasts
    that might have been saved by accident, and if there were things on them
    that might be usable for their sports LPs.  So that's what was going on in
    the background while I was doing my searches for info.

    ABC started using tape recorders for this in 1948 with the purchase of ten
    Stancil-Hoffman and Ampex machines for their Chicago facility.  It was also
    at this time that ABC aired the Bing Crosby Philco Radio Time directly from
    the tape for the first time.  (The show had been recorded and edited on
    disc the first season, and in the 47-48 season until May 48 the edited
    tapes were dubbed to disc for airing.)   In 1949 ABC announced that they
    had used the tape equipment for 7,100 hours in 1948 and 49 with only THREE
    MINUTES of programming lost due to tape breakage -- and all of that was in
    1948.  By 1950 Mutual was doing their tape delay using Magnacord machines,
    but NBC continued to use discs.

>     Five: When a major news even such as a news bulletin or
>     a presidential address took place how did this effect the
>     recording process, the event would be broadcast live,
>     what happened one hour later on play back would one
>     hear the event or address replayed, and if the news
>     program finished at twenty after the hour would one hear
>     the program that was sent down the line live since the
>     program broadcast the previous hour would have been preempted?

    Many performers have mentioned that they usually did not know if their
    program was interrupted for bulletins as they continued doing the show in
    their studio.  Therefore, there might have been a way for these delay
    recordings to be done from the studio line.  Since a lot of shows started
    to be pre-recorded in 1949, those would have been available for replay.
    This is a great question and I don't have an exact answer since my
    dissertation really only goes into full detail thru 1936, and this info for
    1937 thru 49 was included in the last chapter to tie up loose ends.
    Otherwise I would have long ago poured thru the logs for this answer.

>     Number six: When coast to coast network television became
>     a reality in 1951, the same questions apply until video tape
>     arrived in 1956, were programs delayed by kinescope or did
>     viewers have to tune in as radio listeners did in the 1930s and
>     1940s and tune in one hour earlier?     Jim Taylar

    The kines wouldn't have been ready for a one hour delay.  Most of the time
    when the opposite coast had to take a program by kine in the normal
    schedule, they saw last week's program.  Stations which were not wireline
    interconnected with the network or was affiliated with several networks
    would sometimes get kines three to ten weeks after original airing.
    Filmed shows were usually available for viewing without a week's delay by
    having a print of the film on both coasts, but they were also shipped to
    some stations and they saw them weeks later.  I have the audio of a Kukla,
    Fran, and Ollie program where they did a Christmas episode in the middle of
    November for the stations seeing the show much later.  They explained they
    would again do a Christmas show for the stations getting live shows -- and
    I guess the other stations saw it in Feb!

    Videotape was not used for time zone delay very much at first because there
    were so few machines and reels of tape.  It was used for pre-recording
    shows more than time zone delays.  Until 1960 or 61 the tape had to be
    played back on the same machine or same head block that it had been
    recorded on.  So tapes were usually not shipped (or saved for re-runs)
    without holding aside with the tape the $10,000 head block until the tape
    was replayed.  But now local stations could themselves do time delays  and
    erase the tapes if they had the machines.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:47:13 -0400
    From: "David S. Siegel" <otrdsiegel@[removed];
    To: OTR DIGEST <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  More Couples

        BOGART  and  BACALL  in  BOLD VENTURE

    also

    CARY GRANT  and  BETSY DRAKE  in  MISTER AND MRS BLANDINGS

    Dave Siegel

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    Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:47:20 -0400
    From: "D. FISHER" <dfisher052@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE: Husband & Wife teams

    Who can ever forget Goodman & Jane Ace.

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    Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:47:53 -0400
    From: Clif Martin <martbart@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  A and A theme song

    Here's one for OTR theme song freaks.  Hal Stone brought up the name of the
    late George Wright, pretty much regarded as the greatest of the theater
    organists.  He recorded a beautiful arrangement of the A and A theme,
    "The Perfect Song," very different from the way Gaylord Carter, the A and A
    organist, played it.  I thought it was Wright's idea  'til I heard the
    earlier version by Jesse Crawford, who is often credited with  inventing  the
    theatrical  style of organ playing.  Turns out that George "borrowed"
    Crawford's arrangment, note for note. This is not to suggest that Wright
    claimed it was his. Maybe he did it in tribute to Crawford.  Perhap  some
    other organ afficiando knows.

    Clif Martin

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    Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:53:49 -0400
    From: "Barnett, Tom L" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Laurel and Hardy
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    I believe once Laurel and Hardy hit their later years and many of their
    short subjects were enjoying a resurrection on Television - they routinely
    traveled to England (where Stan Laurel was from)

    During these trips back to the English concert halls they made many
    appearances on he BBC doing short routines. These routines seem to show up
    on a few OTR collections that I have seen.
    - -------------------------
    Tom Barnett, PMP

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    Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 08:54:29 -0400
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Digest Issue #217
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    While catching up on this past week's Digests, I'd like to say that Issue #217
    from
    this past Tuesday 07/19 was one of my recent favourites. I'll tell you why:

    One of my OTR passions is the pursing, reading, & collecting of OTR books.
    Issue #217
    had glowing reviews of three new titles. First, Birthday guru Ron Sayles
    praised Jim
    Cox's "Music Radio'; then Anthony Tollin told us about the new WOTW murder
    mystery
    by one-time "Dick Tracy" storyman Max Allen Collins; finally the dean of OTR
    archivists
    Dave Siegel told us about Elizabeth McLeod's long-anticipated "The Original
    Amos 'n'
    Andy,"

    Same issue also contained a spirited discussion by everybody's favourite
    Jughead, Hal Stone,
    who answered both my & Irene Heinstein's questions about the two James
    Dobsons.

    Chris "Castile" Holm boasted about sharing a birthday with Charlie McCarthy, a
    fact
    established by Prof. Sayles's almanac. Last year when I saw this posted, it
    got
    me wondering how this date was ascertained.

    So, it's always good to hear from and about friends I admire here on the
    Digest.

    Name-droppingly (of a Munsick-ian proportion) yours in the etehr,

    Derek Tague

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