Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #220
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 7/8/2001 9:00 AM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                          The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                             Volume 01 : Issue 220
                       A Part of the [removed]!
                               ISSN: 1533-9289

                               Today's Topics:

     In the discussion of "Gildersleeve"  ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     archie radio show                    ["Gerry Halpern" <[removed]@[removed];  ]
     Don McNeill's Breakfast Club         [Riesse3@[removed]                    ]
     Info on Raymond Chandler & Others    [Elmer Standish <elmer_standish@telu]
     A question                           [Ga6string@[removed]                  ]
     Hopalong Cassidy                     ["David L. Easter" <david-easter@hom]
     Burns and Allen                      ["michael edwards" <medwards_47@hotm]
     Re: Your Funniest OTR Episode        [Cnorth6311@[removed]                 ]
     Re: question                         [Ga6string@[removed]                  ]
     Jugheads real name?                  [Jer51473@[removed]                   ]
     Bing Crosby radio logs?              [Jer51473@[removed]                   ]
     Re:  JACK BENNY'S "STINGY" ALTER EGO [GOpp@[removed]                       ]
     re: radio magazines?                 [Marty <martyd@[removed];       ]
     Eddiie Cantor                        ["Tom & Sheila Hogben" <hogben@libco]
     guildersleeve                        [dabac@[removed]                    ]
     Bob and Ray                          [Rob Chatlin <rchatlin@[removed]]
     wartime radio drama - Eyes Aloft     [khovard@[removed]                   ]
     No relation to that Stone            [hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];    ]
     Concerns for jerry B.                [hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];    ]
     keep it up Hal                       ["Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];]
     Scarlet Queen                        ["Bob Wallace" <ewcbob@[removed]; ]
     The Great GILDERSLEEVE Debate        ["David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed]]
     Gildersleeve                         ["Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed]]
     Time Marches On, Not Necessarily In  ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:38:04 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  In the discussion of "Gildersleeve"

    The origin of "Gildersleeve" may be simpler than all that.  "Gild" or
    "guild" stands for an association, usually of tradesmen, originating in
    the Reniasance, and derived from the older master-apprentice
    relationship.  In that sense, a "gilder" or "guilder" is a member of such
    an organization ([removed], the fraternal organization, The Jolly Boys).
    "Sleeve" doubtless means that part of a shirt that we stick our arms
    into.  The expression, "wearing one's heart on one's sleeve" means
    showing everybody one's in love; so by that philosophy, "gildersleeve"
    might mean "showing everyone that one is a member of an association."  On
    the other hand, "gilder" is a variant of "guilder," a unit of currency,
    especially in the Norse countries.  Was Gildy ostentatious when on Fibber
    McGee and Molly?

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:39:11 -0400
    From: "Gerry Halpern" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  archie radio show

    Having been an avid reader of Archie comic books as a kid, I was filled with
    excitement when my parents took me to the radio studio from which the show
    was broadcast.  I fully expected to see a live performance of the comic book
    characters in full costume acting out the script.  What a disappointment to
    find a bunch of people reading from paper scripts and sitting in front of
    [removed] not to mention the fact that the actors were so old (probably
    over 30) and looked nothing like their characters!  Did anyone else out
    there have a similar traumatic experience?

    Gerry

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:38:53 -0400
    From: Riesse3@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Don McNeill's Breakfast Club

    Dear sir:

    In the summer of 1955 (when I was a teenager) I was on
    Don McNeill's Breakfast Club  in Chicago.  I interviewed  some members of the
    cast for my school newspaper.  I believe that Don wasn't  on the program that
    day. Does anyone know of any Breakfast Club programs  from the summer of 1955
    that are available? I had a recording of it but it was lost.

                                       Joe Riesselman
                                        Dubuque, Iowa

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:38:50 -0400
    From: Elmer Standish <elmer_standish@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Info on Raymond Chandler & Others

    [removed]
    This URL leads to a site where there is a
    page devoted to Raymond Chandler (1888-1959),
    the author of the Philip Marlow stories.
    There are also alphabetic links to many other
    authors.

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:55:06 -0400
    From: Ga6string@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  A question

    Hi all,

    I recently purchased a 4-tape box set at one of the major bookstores. It's
    called "Old Time Radio Novels," put out by Soundelux Audio Publishing. It's
    not a set I would recommend. The sound quality is unimpressive and the
    packaging is definitely of the "budget" variety (although the price was not).

    The "novels" include hour-long versions of "Rebecca," "Grapes of Wrath," and
    the Scarlet Pimpernel," and a 30-minute "The Maltese Falcon" from Academy
    Award Theater, b/w a Bold Venture episode. The Scarlet Pimpernel is
    identified as a Lux program. Otherwise, there are no credits/details listed
    on the box, and the show openings and credits have been cut.

    What I'm hoping to do is identify what I have, by program name and air date.

    Anyone else have this turkey, and do have any info for me?

    Many thanks!

    By the way, while I'm here I'd like to say how delighted I am to receive this
    list!

    Bryan Powell

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:05:29 -0400
    From: "David L. Easter" <david-easter@[removed];
    To: "Old-Time Radio Digest (E-mail)" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Hopalong Cassidy

>     Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:30:53 -0400
>     From: Jack Harris <jack@[removed];

                and

>     Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:36:06 -0400
>     From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];

>     However the Name Hopalong Cassidy is out of copyright so
>     we are still trying to find out what can be done.

>     There is no such thing as copyrighting a name.  What you need to do is
>     find out whether there is currently an active trademark.

    There is a low budget movie currently making the rounds on cable named
    "Ballad of a Gunfighter". It stars Chris Lybbert  as Hopalong Cassidy
    (however Hoppy is voiced by Richard Epcar). More familiar names are: Robert
    Carradine, Clu Gulager, Martin Sheen and Will Hutchins. The Director is
    Christopher Coppola and is a Plaster City Production through Amazing Movies.

    This is_not_the William Boyd Hopalong Cassidy, but it is a fun watch. More
    to the point Amazing Movies must know something about the Hopalong Cassidy
    trademark.

    David L. Easter
    Email: David-Easter@[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:05:31 -0400
    From: "michael edwards" <medwards_47@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Burns and Allen

    On the subject of the B&A thread, Sean Dougherty writes:

>     Burns & Allen has a great cast - the two stars and with Gale Gordon, Bea
>     Benederet and Mel Blanc - but the writing fell off late in the
>     series. I always had the impression the writers relied on Gracie Allen's
>     personal brilliance as a performer and less on great plots and supporting
>     characters.

    I feel much the opposite.  I think the series generally got better as it
    went on, culminating in the Maxwell House shows.  There's been a lot of talk
    about Jack Benny still being remembered because of his timeless humor, and I
    think much the same can be said of Burns and Allen.  When they finally hit
    on the formula of beleagured straight man, ditzy wife, sarcastic announcer,
    henpecked mailman, I think they struck gold.  They did overkill having
    guest-stars every week.  B&A's sitcom formula didn't lend itself to that in
    the way other comedy shows did.  Still, I enjoy these much more than the
    early 40's era, which I feel is woefully dated.

    Michael Edwards

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:21:06 -0400
    From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Your Funniest OTR Episode

    Hi folks. What is your funniest OTR episode? I believe one of the funniest
    shows I listen to is Phil Harris and Alice Faye. When you put Phil, Frankie
    and Julius together, it's pandemonium. The funniest episode with those three
    as far as I'm concerned is the show titled "Phil the Injunear." Phil decides
    he is going to put a new light switch in the kitchen for Alice to have for
    the garage light so all she has to do is turn on the light inside the house
    before she goes out to the garage. You just have to listen to the show to
    appreciate it. Of course Julius comes along and is talked into helping with
    the project and the results are absolutely electrifying.

    Charlie

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:21:04 -0400
    From: Ga6string@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: question

    Spoke too soon on my question -- revisited the tape and "Rebecca" is
    obviously Lux as well. As for "Grapes of Wrath," an additional detail: The
    broadcast closes w/a commentary on the novel from J. Donald Adams.
    Thanks again,
    Bryan

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 11:37:00 -0400
    From: Jer51473@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jugheads real name?

     Certainly when he was born his mother didnt look down at him and say "I
    shall call him Jughead". Maybe the answer to this came up earliar and I
    missed it, if not does anyone know? Haarlaan?

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:27:48 -0400
    From: Jer51473@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bing Crosby radio logs?

      Someone was asking about Bings logs? I dont know about logs, but one of the
    largest entertainers sites available is Bings. Go to
    [removed]~crosby/ and find out almost anything know abou Bing. Crosby
    fans "have" to have this site.

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:27:46 -0400
    From: GOpp@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:  JACK BENNY'S "STINGY" ALTER EGO

    My favorite "stingy" Jack Benny story is about the time Jack Benny and
    Edgar Bergen had lunch together at the Brown Derby. Late in their meal,
    as the waiter was passing their booth, Jack called out, "Waiter, may I
    please have the check?"

    The waiter stopped and said, "Why, Mr. Benny, I'm surprised to hear YOU
    asking for the check!"

    Jack shot back, "So am I, and that's the last time I go to lunch with a
    ventriloquist!"

    - Gregg Oppenheimer
    visit [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 12:40:17 -0400
    From: Marty <martyd@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re: radio magazines?

    In reply to Ben Ohmart's question concerning old radio magazines, I
    would check out the "Nostalgia Digest" published by Chuck Schaden and
    The Hall Closet, Box 421, Morton Grove, IL  60052 (847)965-7763.

    It is published 6 times per year, jam packed with old radio articles of
    radio personality, shows and other misc. subjects from days not so long
    ago!  Great magazine.

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 13:03:11 -0400
    From: "Tom & Sheila Hogben" <hogben@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Eddiie Cantor

    HI,
        I'm now reading about Eddie Cantor in a book he wrote  Called "Take My
    Life". I only have about 14 of his Radio Programs and was wondering if there
    are any more out there. If you have any leads please let me know
    Thanks ,Tom

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:09:00 -0400
    From: dabac@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  guildersleeve

    Hal Stone`s suggestion as to the origin of the name gildersleeve would
    appear to have some merit. In this instance could the slang term have
    implied a person who "hides something up his sleeve"? The only other
    plausible possibility I could think of regarding the slang reference
    would be referring to a self-important person of position - which would
    also apply to the Gildersleeve character.

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:08:58 -0400
    From: Rob Chatlin <rchatlin@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bob and Ray

    I've been listening to a bunch of short bits from B&R,
    but I can't figure out what the format of their show was?
    Can anyone tell me if it was a half hour show with random bits,
    or something totally different.

    thanks,

    rob

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 16:08:56 -0400
    From: khovard@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  wartime radio drama - Eyes Aloft

    I would appreciate any leads to the  copyright holder of Eyes Aloft
    and/or to its writer: Robert L. Redd

    Thanks,

    Howard

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:59:57 -0400
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  No relation to that Stone

>     I've been meaning to ask Mr. Stone this question for sometime, and
>     keep forgetting.

    First off, Ted, I do not discriminate. You get to call me "Hal" along with
    all the others. (It makes me feel so much younger) :)

>     I'm sure he is asked it quite a bit, but here goes:  Are
>     you any relation to the late Harlan Fiske Stone,  US Supreme Court Justice
>     and former US Attorney General?  Just curious.

    Well, we can't leave you in that state. As a matter of fact, I used to be
    asked that question a great deal some 50 odd years ago. The short answer is
    "No".

    The fact that my middle initial is also "F" made it all the more confusing.

    I was born Harold F. Stone Jr. As a child of 7, I was in a play called "Life
    With Father", in the part of the youngest son, a character named "Harlan".
    When I had to join The Stage Actors Union (Equity), they told my parents
    that I needed to change my name to avoid confusion with an existing Union
    member, Harold J. Stone. (We all know who he is right?) So they got lazy and
    picked the name of the character I played in the play.

    By the way, "Harold J." went on to play "Heavies" in a great many TV shows
    and films.

    Just between you, me, and the lamppost. I hated the name "Harlan". As a
    young kid, I thought it sounded "Sissy". I really didn't care for "Harold"
    all that much either. I would have much preferred being called "Brad" or
    "Tim", or some other macho sounding name. (Even "Ted" would have been
    better).:)

    But There isn't much I can do about it now. The Die has been cast, the Dice
    rolled, and the Damage done. But in my later Directing career, I went by the
    name "Hal" Stone. That's why I use both names when I sign my postings. You
    might have been curious. Me, I'm just "confused" as to which one to use.

    Hal(Harlan)Stone

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:59:55 -0400
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Concerns for jerry B.

>     I thank Mr. Stone for contributing to the digest and want him to know he
>     still

    has a fan here! It literally makes my heart flutter when I read his
    comments.

    Hey! Jerry. Thanks for being such a loyal fan. But I'm worried about you. A
    "Fluttering" Heart is nothing to fool around with. If you ever get to South
    Africa, check with my friend Gavin. (Dr. Pillay to the rest of you). He may
    even have a discount rate for a "stress test" for fellow Archie fans. :)

    But seriously, Jerry, It gladdens my heart to have such nice things said.

    And while on the subject of "tickers". I want you all to know that I just
    passed (with flying colors) some rigorous and extensive Heart tests, so it
    looks like I'll be sticking around, to keep "clowning" around, in this here
    Digest.

    And to those of you who saw fit to comment of the fact that I just turned
    70, let this be  warning to you. I don't feel 70, I don't look 70, and I
    sure don't act 70. So if I ever come to your townŠŠ Lock your Grandma's up
    for safe keeping. :)

    Hal(Harlan)Stone

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 19:59:53 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  keep it up Hal

    I Love reading your humor Hal, and keep it up,  and for the rest of the list
    Hal is that way imp person at an OTR convention.  Maybe that would be a good
    fund raiser for a convention is to put up the chairs at Hal dinner table up
    for bid.  I have attended 18 convention, and Hal is my second favorite
    dinner partner after Kitty Kallen.  Sorry Hal, Kitty is my "surrogate mom."
    Any way on Yesterday USA this coming week,  we have allot of guest book
    during the week night shows including Norman Corwin (thank to Larry
    Gassman,) , and many others.  The broadcasts are at  Frank Bresee house in
    Los Angeles.

    Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 22:44:06 -0400
    From: "Bob Wallace" <ewcbob@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio Net" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Scarlet Queen

    Jerry, do you have any information on a Scarlet queen episode entitled "King
    ascot and the maid in waiting"?
    I have a copy but cannot find any log that mentions it. Based on the miles
    from San Francisco mentioned at the end of the show, it appears to fall
    between "Grafters fort" and "Lonely Sultan"

    Bob

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    Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 23:32:20 -0400
    From: "David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Great GILDERSLEEVE Debate

    I, too, want to enter into the great debate on the origin of the name
    GILDERSLEEVE.

    FWIW, I offer my HO.

    Hal Stone (Pop) supplies:

> >     I can hold my silence no longer. It is quite simple. The name Gildersleeve
> >     is taken from the Old English system of using one's occupation or

    profession

> >     as a surname.

    Hal's explanation sounds perfectly reasonable.  My name, for example,
    Phaneuf (Pronounced in some circles as Fann-off) clearly is derived from the
    ancient guild of Fan Turner-Offers.    ;-D  All joking aside, Hal's
    explanation, I would imagine, is the correct explanation as to the name's
    ORIGIN.

    However, as it applies to the character, it seems to me the name represents
    much more.  A gilded sleeve, one embroidered with golden cord, is how, in my
    theater of the mind, I've always pictured Gildy as the "Water Commish", much
    like a Police Chief's uniform, though I don't recall the big screen ever
    depicting him that way.  The gilded sleeve, as I see it, denotes real and
    genuine importance, rank, position, authority.  Or, in Gildy's case,
    pomposity, self-inflated importance, braggadocio.  And as such the name
    "Gildersleeve" is a fitting symbol of the character portrayed.  Given the
    literary technique of choosing a character's name to depict the character's
    personality and role in the story, this, IMHO, is the origin of the name as
    far as it goes for the character in question.

    In this respect, I would agree with dabac@[removed] :

> >     I would
> >     imagine it to have meant someone who  promotes either themself or their
> >     ideas by embroiderng the truth. Somewhat akin to the old term "gilding
> >     the lily".

    As far as WCFields' statements"I am a gildersleeve", well, Fields'
    characters were often pompous, embroiderers of the truth.

    Neil Crowley states:

> >     The OED has no entries for "gildersleeve" but does say a "gilder" is
> >     a snare for birds and, by extension, the person who uses the gilder to
> >     snare the feathered fiends.

    Does this refer to the Falconer's art and the "sleeve" falconers wear to
    protect their arms from the talons?  would that properly have been called a
    "gildersleeve"?

    Please know that all of this, on my part, is pure CONJECTURE, SPECULATION,
    and IMHO -- and frankly, I don't have the slightest idea what I'm talking
    about.  So please accept it as such.  But maybe somewhere in the midst of it
    all, there might be some correct information.  Oh how I wish Dr. Tolkien
    were here to solve this our present dilemma!

    Dave Phaneuf

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    Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:48:42 -0400
    From: "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Gildersleeve

    According to a biography of [removed] Fields, that I read last year a
    gildersleeve is slang for a policeman.

    Roby McHone

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    Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:44:00 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Time Marches On, Not Necessarily In Boots

    Sean Dougherty listed his top favorite OTR comedy shows, pointing out
    that the gap between his favorite top and bottom top is,

> >     narrow and I love all of these [removed];<

    I've alluded to this before, but it would be an interesting experiment to
    have somebody who's not heard OTR before listen, over a reasonable
    interval, to a number of each show of a select group, and see that
    person's reaction.

    This is a variant of the "test of Time," illustrating which of the shows
    would best work today.  And why restrict it to comedies?

    However, to run the test properly, you'd have to set up the environment
    properly.  Rather than a laboratory/classroom environment, IMHO, the
    listening area ought to be equivalent to how we used to hear it -- a
    house with a TV-less living room, a bedroom of the same sort, or a car
    interior with piped-in or tight-beamed recordings.  That's the only way
    to recreate the listening environment.

    It might be fun to speculate which shows are "timeless" in that fashion.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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