Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #463
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 12/3/2002 10:30 AM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 463
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: A Spence Response                 [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Re: Cinnamon Bear & Velocipede        [ "Penne Yingling" <bp_ying@[removed] ]
      looking for a story                   [ Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed]; ]
      Re: Had an interesting experience     [ ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Fun ]
      OTR at Target Stores                  [ ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Fun ]
      Velocipede                            [ EdHowell@[removed] ]
      Velocipedes, bicycles and tricycles   [ Tim Johnson <tim-johnson2@[removed] ]
      I don't want my money back            [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Finding out about Friends of Old Tim  [ "helen commodore" <helenzuu@hotmail ]
      The Case of Hal Stone vs. Nitpicker   [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      new book, WORDS AT WAR: Christmas po  [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
      johny dollar theme                    [ Ronald Staley <mrvintageradio@earth ]
      Soaps                                 [ "john abizaid" <JAbizaid@[removed]; ]
      Cinnamon Bear                         [ JayHick@[removed] ]
      Six Shooter Theme                     [ "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@charter ]
      [removed] affiliate of Liberty Broadcasti  [ "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@sbcglob ]
      Theme Song - Tales of the Texas Rang  [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
      OTR In Sets/ OTR On Records           [ lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed]; ]
      Captain Midnight cast                 [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Erotic location - Poll                [ "Roger Robineau" <Robineau2@cogeco. ]
      More on CBS in [removed] in 1928-'29       [ "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@sbcglob ]
      Velocipede                            [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
      BUD COLLYER                           [ "timl2002" <timl2002@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:55:50 -0500
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: A Spence Response

    Spence Coleman just posted;

>     I regularly delete past Digest postings, but I made a point of
>     copy-and-pasting the info on Hal Stone's new "Archie" book cited on a recent
>     message.  I'm thinking of ordering a copy.

    Thinking??? He who hesitates is lost.

>     But I wonder:  Hal, are you offering to sign a number of the books reserved
>     for those of us who order now before the masses will be obviously inundating
>     the bookstores?

    For Sure Spence. Every "Digester" gets an "inscribed" copy, not just
    autographed. (Unless a simple autograph makes it easier to unload it on
    e-bay) :) As for selling the book in bookstores, I'm not sure we will go
    that route. I wrote the darn thing expressly for the OTR fans on the Digest,
    after being encouraged by so many of them. Besides, I can recoup my costs a
    little easier when bookstores don't take such a huge bite out of the selling
    price.

>     It would be nice to get in now, before the flood, with a more personalized
>     copy.

    Yup! Get it while it's a trickle! :)

    Just a gentle reminder Spence. Shop now at the following site and avoid the
    Holiday rush. :)

    [removed]

    And Spence, my heartfelt thanks for your interest.

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:56:07 -0500
    From: "Penne Yingling" <bp_ying@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:  Cinnamon Bear & Velocipede

    vigor16@[removed] asked what is a velocipede (not sure of spelling).
    this is a bicycle or tricycle in the early years.  Some of them were
    propelled by pushing the feet along the ground.  BTW, I have just started
    listening to the Cinnamon Bear for the first time this Thanksgiving.  I am
    enjoying it immensely - Thanks to this newsletter. I don't know why I never
    heard of this before, as I was born in 1940 & listened to a lot of radio.
    Anyway, I'm going to pass this along to my Grandchildren (after I listen),
    as it is delightful.  Thanks again.  Penne

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:56:53 -0500
    From: Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed];
    To: submit item <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  looking for a story

    It seems that about this time of year I get a little
    sentimental and my thoughts go back to WHEN I WAS A
    BOY. I remember all the good things like Mom and Dad,
    big Christmas dinners, and lots of really exciting
    presents under a real Christmas Tree that had that
    smell of Pine one never forgets. I also remember the
    sleigh rides with real horses pulling a sleigh with a
    bunch of children and adults singing Christmas Carols.
    Then the stop at a Community Club for Hot Chocolate
    and Hot Dogs. The walking home being able to walk
    across the rivers and not worry about falling in. Then
    getting into a nice warm bed, turning on the radio and
    falling asleep while listening to one of my favorite
    radio shows.
    Well last night the wife went out and I settled down
    in front of the computer and searched for a story that
    I always bring up, print out and give to a special few
    [removed] had been erased. So now the
    reason for this letter, does one of you happen to have
    the story I am looking for? I beleive it is called Yes
    Veronica, There  Really Is A Santa Clause. If you do
    and you wouldn't mind taking the time to share it
    would you please send me a copy. My address is
    pappleyard_ca@[removed]
    Thanks to all and may everyone have a Happy Holiday
    Season.
    Peter

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:12:34 -0500
    From: ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Funk)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:  Had an interesting experience

    Thanks for sharing that story with the group, Charlie.   Not just an
    interesting but a *priceless* experience.  It gave me a very warm
    feeling as I read it.

    When my kids were little I was between when it was NTR and when it
    became OTR and struck a nostalgic chord in [removed]  My granddaughter isn't
    interested.  Heck, she won't even watch Nick at Nite cuz it's in black
    and white!

    Best regards,
    Art Funk

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:40:45 -0500
    From: ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Funk)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR at Target Stores

    Awhile back someone mentioned on the Digest that RS tapes are available
    at Target.  I was there with my wife yesterday but couldn't find them.
    Can anybody tell me in what department they can be found?  Thanks.

    Regards to all,
    Art Funk

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:49:10 -0500
    From: EdHowell@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Velocipede

    When I was a kid, tricycles were known as velocipedes and listed as such in
    the older mail order catalogs. We used to hang the old catalogs across a
    string in the outdoor privvy and put them to good use. Many a time I have
    looked through the pages at the velocipedes and the cowboy suits and wish I
    could have one or both.
    A similar tricycle is now made for adults but I think it is just called a
    3-wheeled bike.

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:16:40 -0500
    From: Tim Johnson <tim-johnson2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Velocipedes, bicycles and tricycles and a
     question
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    Dennis Crowe and John Mayer are both correct in that a velocipede is either a
    bicycle or tricycle.  I believe that in the CB episode it is intended to mean
    a tricycle, based on Jimmy's response, "Oh, you're too old for a velocipede
    anyway."  Judy wouldn't be too old for a bicycle.
    Michael Leannah mentions that he plays CB for his class of 3rd graders.  When
    I was a classroom teacher, I played CB every year for my classes, beginning
    in 1971, which was the year I "discovered" that radio shows could still be
    heard via collectors and traders.  Yes, some of those kids were just as
    captivated as I had been.  Some sixth graders even pouting, "Ohhh, why can't
    we listen to the next one now."
    My question is, could someone with access to the original transcriptions tell
    me if the theme was played twice through, or if the radio studios did this
    just to create time for the sponsor's "message"?  WBIR had the themes playing
    through twice.  Just wondered.
    Tim Johnson

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:17:07 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  I don't want my money back

    Hal Stone asks because I nitpicked him on Bud Collyer's most famous role which
    was that of Superman and not Mr. District Attorney.

>     [removed] bottom line, Ron. Do you want your money back? :)

    No way Hal, I enjoyed the book far too much to want my money back. And despite
    my nitpicking, it was a great read. I recommend it to all fans of Old Time
    Radio. It puts you right there. It is as if you are the one behind the mike.
    It actually makes one miss OTR even more, if that is possible. I still rue the
    day that I dropped radio like a hot potato when I was 14 years old and mom and
    dad got their first television set. But at the time I really had no idea that
    television would supplant radio as it did. I was under the illusion that they
    could prosper side by side. Oh well, we live and learn.

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    Make your day just a little better, listen to Olde Tyme Radio!

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:38:41 -0500
    From: "helen commodore" <helenzuu@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Finding out about Friends of Old Time Radio
     Con

         Hello!  I would like to know how to find out more about the above
    convention.  Our local newspaper printed someone's name and phone number but
    I was unable to get through as the number did not accept calls? I know that
    seems strange since the article did show the organizer.  Thanks.  This is a
    very interesting list. Is there a once a week list though?  If so, how can I
    change the frequency of this e-mail?
    Thanks again.  I know old time radio is long gotten but this is one heart
    where it will never be forgotten.
         Sincerely, Helen Commodore

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Answers to two of the questions posed above; the website for
    the FOTR Convention is [removed] - it's _really_ behind in updates
    right now (still showing info on the 2002 convention), but it is more
    vigorously maintained once the first flyer goes out June-ish.

    As to a mailing once a week, it would be a _really_ big issue. The server
    automatically sends out an issue when it reaches ~25k or ~24-hours since the
    last issue, whichever comes first. On busy days, the server releases three
    issues, and even on slow ones it releases at least one. So there are no plans
    for a huge once/week version of the Internet OTR Digest.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:39:39 -0500
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Case of Hal Stone vs. Nitpicker

    Reading Hal Stone, I hasten to say that if Ron Sayles sends his copy of
    Hal's book back, I'll be more than happy to take it off Hal's hands.  Of
    course, now that it's used and so much older, there should be a substantial
    reduction in price.  Right, Hal?

    Lee Munsick

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:03:22 -0500
    From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  new book, WORDS AT WAR: Christmas postal rush

     I just checked with the post office. It appears that I will need to mail
    off copies of "Words at War" to the rest of those wishing to  receive
    their copy at the free book rate, by December 15. Please contact me ASAP
    if this applies to you.

    Howard Blue

    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:14:05 -0500
    From: Ronald Staley <mrvintageradio@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  johny dollar theme

    The 1955 theme was actually used on the television show Dick Tracy in
    1954.

    The music credit for 1955 dollars, especially those of the 15-minute series
    goes to Amerigo Marino, (pardon spelling)

    By the way, can I get ahold of those themes, short or long, without
    voiceovers. If so, can someone write me on or off line?

    Ronald Staley

    mrvintageradio@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:34:35 -0500
    From: "john abizaid" <JAbizaid@[removed];
    To: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Soaps

    Many years ago, when I was in grammar school, we went home at the noon hour
    for dinner and returned to school until 3:30 p.( In those days, what we now
    call lunch ,was called "dinner" and what we now call dinner was "supper") I'd
    have my dinner in the kitchen. My Mom, my aunt Jo and my Grandmother were
    always there doing various homemaking duties and the radio atop the "ice box"
    was always on. I remember listening to "Big Sister" every day. Many years
    later, after I became an OTR fan, I got hold of a few "Big Sister" tapes, made
    some copies ,and presented the copies to my Mom and Aunt Jo, fully expecting
    that they would thank me profusely. It didn't happen. They had no memory of
    "Big Sister". I told them of my childhood memory of the radio playing in the
    kitchen, tuned into "Big Sister" every day for years. They then told me that
    they never listened to "soaps". They said it was my Grandmother who wouldn't
    miss "Big Sister" come Hell or High Water. Which is all well and good, except
    for the fact that my Grandmother spoke very little English, or at least, that
    is what she lead everyone to believe. I took the tapes back, a little sadder
    ,but also a little bit wiser about the human condition.

                                                            Jack

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:01:31 -0500
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cinnamon Bear

    As some of you know, I collect sheet music relating to OTR or with Jack Benny
    on the cover.  I have over 1200 of these items but I just added the sheet
    Music "The Cinnamon Bear."   I thought it would be of interest since there is
    discussion in the Digest this time of year about CB.  Jay

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:10:12 -0500
    From: "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Six Shooter Theme

    I, too, like The Highland Lament, the theme song of The Six Shooter. I
    wonder if anyone knows anything about the music that is often used as a
    bridge on that show. There are a couple of them: one that appears when
    danger is present, the other a light-hearted piece usually played as
    background music as Britt relates the latest goings-on in Yellow Branch or
    some other such town. I suppose it's too much to expect that this music
    would exist on some old album. There is no better music to describe the feel
    of a sunny day on the open [removed]

    Mike Leannah

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:07:52 -0500
    From: "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  [removed] affiliate of Liberty Broadcasting System

    I'm wondering if anybody knows or can find out what radio station in Los
    Angeles carried the re-creations of baseball games over Gordon McGlendon's
    Liberty Broadcasting System between 1948 and May of 1952, when the network
    folded?  A friend of mine who worked in radio in [removed] at the time thought
    that KHJ carried the games along with the Don Lee stations on the West
    Coast, but I don't know if that's correct.  So, I'm looking for documented
    evidence of which station in Los Angeles was affiliated with Liberty?

    Any help on this will be most appreciated.

    Jim

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:32:29 -0500
    From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Theme Song - Tales of the Texas Rangers

    Hi Gang -

    The recent thread about Radio Theme Songs reminded me of something I meant
    to ask a year ago:  Within the past two years all (or most) of the "Tales of the
    Texas Rangers" programs have been placed into circulation.  I remember listening
    to that program when it was on the air.  One broadcast in particular caught my
    attention.

    At the end of the story, the announcer stated that they had received a number
    of letters asking for the name of their theme song.  He said it was (something
    like) "The Texas Rangers March", and gave the name of the composer.  Then
    they did a most unusual thing - they played the theme song all the way through
    without interruption and without any voice-over.

    I have listened to most of the the circulating program in hopes of locating that
    particular broadcast without success.  My question is, has anybody heard that
    program with the entire theme song recently?  Is it in general circulation? Of
    course I'd like to have the broadcast date so that I can locate it.

    For those people who are not familiar with the series, it's a great show, and it
    has a "catchy" theme song.  Tales of the Texas Rangers is worth a listen.

    Happy Taping -  Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois
    kenpiletic@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:21:21 -0500
    From: lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR In Sets/ OTR On Records

    Would like to barrow, swap, trade or rent old sets
    of OTR from [removed], Adv. In Cassettes or any other
    source.  Not a dealer, just love to listen.

    Also looking for a collector who collects OTR on
    records.  I have a few I'd like to find a new home
    for.

    Please contact off list.

    Many Thanks!!
    Lynn

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:21:52 -0500
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Captain Midnight cast

    On Boris Aplon, Conrad Binyon mentioned:

>     See for yourself Boris Aplon during his days in the Forties.
>     [removed]

    To which I add - you can see much of the Captain Midnight cast at

    [removed]

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:21:13 -0500
    From: "Roger Robineau" <Robineau2@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Erotic location - Poll

    Regarding Elmer Standish and Hal Stone's discussion of OTR outside North
    America

    I am a Canadian and more of a Lurker than a solid contributor. Several
    of the groups I belong too, are quite multi-national.  And yes, I am
    still looking for French-Canadian OTR.

    In response to Hal, I live in the erotic city of Oakville, Ontario.
    (Does that win a prize) oops! I think that was exotic.

    Roger

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    Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:21:27 -0500
    From: "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  More on CBS in [removed] in 1928-'29

    I would like to thank Elizabeth for her in-depth research and explanation of
    why KPLA was carrying early CBS programs in Los Angeles in 1928-1929.

    However, I'm still puzzled over why KFWB-Hollywood was also carrying some
    Columbia network programs during these years.  I'll cite two examples.

    First, from the September 15, 1928 Santa Ana Daily Register radio page:
    This story says that a coast-to-coast hookup starring Al Jolson from the New
    York Winter Garden will be broadcast over the Warner Brothers Motion Picture
    Studios Station, KFWB, on Monday, September [removed]

    "Arrangements have been made with the Columbia Broadcasting System to
    broadcast the opening of the picture ("The Singing Fool") direct from the
    Winter Garden with Al Jolson himself acting as master of ceremonies. The
    program will be broadcast with KFWB handling the Southern California end of
    the chain.  This will be the first musical program to come to the Pacific
    Coast  over the Columbia [removed] broadcasting this program and
    the time it will come on the air will be released in a day or two."

    Next, from the Los Angeles Times of February 19, 1929.
    This story talks about KFWB erecting the station's new antenna towers atop
    the Warner Brothers Theater in Hollywood on March 4, 1929, KFWB's 4th
    birthday anniversary.  "The date will also mark the inauguration of a
    monthly transcontinental broadcast originating in the KFWB studios and
    traveling east over the Columbia chain."  Again, Al Jolson was to  be part
    of this first broadcast along with Conrad Nagel, the Biltmore Hotel
    Orchestra, etc.  The story also says these monthly coast to coast broadcasts
    over KFWB will go on the air on the regular Vitaphone Jubilee Hour, at 6:30
    [removed]

    So, there are two examples of KFWB originating and/or broadcasting a
    national progam over CBS for the Los Angeles area in 1928 and '29.

    Elizabeth also said the formal alliance between CBS and Don Lee for KHJ and
    his Don Lee network to carry CBS programs followed in December, after the
    Seattle based ABC network folded in the fall of 1929.

    But, I see from "Radio Doings" magazine that during the week of October 12,
    1929, KHJ in Los Angeles was already carrying many CBS network programs such
    as Majestic, Old Gold, Voice of Columbia, and many others.

    So, does this mean that Lee and CBS had an understanding that KHJ, KFRC and
    his other stations would take over broadcasting Columbia programs in Los
    Angeles and the rest of CA, OR and WA, and that the final contract was
    pending?

    I look forward to any further explantions and clarification on this subject.

    Jim

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    Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:11:06 -0500
    From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Velocipede

    Just FYI, here is a picture of an 1870 Velocipede:

    [removed]

    There are also other interesting antique bicycles on
    that website.

    Rick

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    Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:10:45 -0500
    From: "timl2002" <timl2002@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  BUD COLLYER

    Hal:
         Though I never had the good fortune of meeting Bud Collyer,  (I am a
    bit young to have reasonably done so)
    I have had the good fortune to see him on repeats of his "Beat the Clock"
    and "To Tell The Truth" shows overnight on Game Show Network.  I have to
    agree he seems very much the professional.  Very friendly and kind to
    Panelists and Contestants.  You get the sense that he is the same off air as
    [removed] genuinely nice man.

    Tim Lones
    Canton, Ohio

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