Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #463
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 12/3/2002 10:30 AM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 463
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: A Spence Response                 [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Re: Cinnamon Bear & Velocipede        [ "Penne Yingling" <bp_ying@[removed] ]
  looking for a story                   [ Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed]; ]
  Re: Had an interesting experience     [ ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Fun ]
  OTR at Target Stores                  [ ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Fun ]
  Velocipede                            [ EdHowell@[removed] ]
  Velocipedes, bicycles and tricycles   [ Tim Johnson <tim-johnson2@[removed] ]
  I don't want my money back            [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Finding out about Friends of Old Tim  [ "helen commodore" <helenzuu@hotmail ]
  The Case of Hal Stone vs. Nitpicker   [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
  new book, WORDS AT WAR: Christmas po  [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
  johny dollar theme                    [ Ronald Staley <mrvintageradio@earth ]
  Soaps                                 [ "john abizaid" <JAbizaid@[removed]; ]
  Cinnamon Bear                         [ JayHick@[removed] ]
  Six Shooter Theme                     [ "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@charter ]
  [removed] affiliate of Liberty Broadcasti  [ "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@sbcglob ]
  Theme Song - Tales of the Texas Rang  [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
  OTR In Sets/ OTR On Records           [ lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed]; ]
  Captain Midnight cast                 [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  Erotic location - Poll                [ "Roger Robineau" <Robineau2@cogeco. ]
  More on CBS in [removed] in 1928-'29       [ "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@sbcglob ]
  Velocipede                            [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
  BUD COLLYER                           [ "timl2002" <timl2002@[removed]; ]

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:55:50 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: A Spence Response

Spence Coleman just posted;

I regularly delete past Digest postings, but I made a point of
copy-and-pasting the info on Hal Stone's new "Archie" book cited on a recent
message.  I'm thinking of ordering a copy.

Thinking??? He who hesitates is lost.

But I wonder:  Hal, are you offering to sign a number of the books reserved
for those of us who order now before the masses will be obviously inundating
the bookstores?

For Sure Spence. Every "Digester" gets an "inscribed" copy, not just
autographed. (Unless a simple autograph makes it easier to unload it on
e-bay) :) As for selling the book in bookstores, I'm not sure we will go
that route. I wrote the darn thing expressly for the OTR fans on the Digest,
after being encouraged by so many of them. Besides, I can recoup my costs a
little easier when bookstores don't take such a huge bite out of the selling
price.

It would be nice to get in now, before the flood, with a more personalized
copy.

Yup! Get it while it's a trickle! :)

Just a gentle reminder Spence. Shop now at the following site and avoid the
Holiday rush. :)

[removed]

And Spence, my heartfelt thanks for your interest.

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:56:07 -0500
From: "Penne Yingling" <bp_ying@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re:  Cinnamon Bear & Velocipede

vigor16@[removed] asked what is a velocipede (not sure of spelling).
this is a bicycle or tricycle in the early years.  Some of them were
propelled by pushing the feet along the ground.  BTW, I have just started
listening to the Cinnamon Bear for the first time this Thanksgiving.  I am
enjoying it immensely - Thanks to this newsletter. I don't know why I never
heard of this before, as I was born in 1940 & listened to a lot of radio.
Anyway, I'm going to pass this along to my Grandchildren (after I listen),
as it is delightful.  Thanks again.  Penne

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:56:53 -0500
From: Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed];
To: submit item <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  looking for a story

It seems that about this time of year I get a little
sentimental and my thoughts go back to WHEN I WAS A
BOY. I remember all the good things like Mom and Dad,
big Christmas dinners, and lots of really exciting
presents under a real Christmas Tree that had that
smell of Pine one never forgets. I also remember the
sleigh rides with real horses pulling a sleigh with a
bunch of children and adults singing Christmas Carols.
Then the stop at a Community Club for Hot Chocolate
and Hot Dogs. The walking home being able to walk
across the rivers and not worry about falling in. Then
getting into a nice warm bed, turning on the radio and
falling asleep while listening to one of my favorite
radio shows.
Well last night the wife went out and I settled down
in front of the computer and searched for a story that
I always bring up, print out and give to a special few
[removed] had been erased. So now the
reason for this letter, does one of you happen to have
the story I am looking for? I beleive it is called Yes
Veronica, There  Really Is A Santa Clause. If you do
and you wouldn't mind taking the time to share it
would you please send me a copy. My address is
pappleyard_ca@[removed]
Thanks to all and may everyone have a Happy Holiday
Season.
Peter

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:12:34 -0500
From: ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Funk)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re:  Had an interesting experience

Thanks for sharing that story with the group, Charlie.   Not just an
interesting but a *priceless* experience.  It gave me a very warm
feeling as I read it.

When my kids were little I was between when it was NTR and when it
became OTR and struck a nostalgic chord in [removed]  My granddaughter isn't
interested.  Heck, she won't even watch Nick at Nite cuz it's in black
and white!

Best regards,
Art Funk

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:40:45 -0500
From: ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Funk)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR at Target Stores

Awhile back someone mentioned on the Digest that RS tapes are available
at Target.  I was there with my wife yesterday but couldn't find them.
Can anybody tell me in what department they can be found?  Thanks.

Regards to all,
Art Funk

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 13:49:10 -0500
From: EdHowell@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Velocipede

When I was a kid, tricycles were known as velocipedes and listed as such in
the older mail order catalogs. We used to hang the old catalogs across a
string in the outdoor privvy and put them to good use. Many a time I have
looked through the pages at the velocipedes and the cowboy suits and wish I
could have one or both.
A similar tricycle is now made for adults but I think it is just called a
3-wheeled bike.

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:16:40 -0500
From: Tim Johnson <tim-johnson2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Velocipedes, bicycles and tricycles and a
 question
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Dennis Crowe and John Mayer are both correct in that a velocipede is either a
bicycle or tricycle.  I believe that in the CB episode it is intended to mean
a tricycle, based on Jimmy's response, "Oh, you're too old for a velocipede
anyway."  Judy wouldn't be too old for a bicycle.
Michael Leannah mentions that he plays CB for his class of 3rd graders.  When
I was a classroom teacher, I played CB every year for my classes, beginning
in 1971, which was the year I "discovered" that radio shows could still be
heard via collectors and traders.  Yes, some of those kids were just as
captivated as I had been.  Some sixth graders even pouting, "Ohhh, why can't
we listen to the next one now."
My question is, could someone with access to the original transcriptions tell
me if the theme was played twice through, or if the radio studios did this
just to create time for the sponsor's "message"?  WBIR had the themes playing
through twice.  Just wondered.
Tim Johnson

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:17:07 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  I don't want my money back

Hal Stone asks because I nitpicked him on Bud Collyer's most famous role which
was that of Superman and not Mr. District Attorney.

[removed] bottom line, Ron. Do you want your money back? :)

No way Hal, I enjoyed the book far too much to want my money back. And despite
my nitpicking, it was a great read. I recommend it to all fans of Old Time
Radio. It puts you right there. It is as if you are the one behind the mike.
It actually makes one miss OTR even more, if that is possible. I still rue the
day that I dropped radio like a hot potato when I was 14 years old and mom and
dad got their first television set. But at the time I really had no idea that
television would supplant radio as it did. I was under the illusion that they
could prosper side by side. Oh well, we live and learn.

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Make your day just a little better, listen to Olde Tyme Radio!

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:38:41 -0500
From: "helen commodore" <helenzuu@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Finding out about Friends of Old Time Radio
 Con

     Hello!  I would like to know how to find out more about the above
convention.  Our local newspaper printed someone's name and phone number but
I was unable to get through as the number did not accept calls? I know that
seems strange since the article did show the organizer.  Thanks.  This is a
very interesting list. Is there a once a week list though?  If so, how can I
change the frequency of this e-mail?
Thanks again.  I know old time radio is long gotten but this is one heart
where it will never be forgotten.
     Sincerely, Helen Commodore

[ADMINISTRIVIA: Answers to two of the questions posed above; the website for
the FOTR Convention is [removed] - it's _really_ behind in updates
right now (still showing info on the 2002 convention), but it is more
vigorously maintained once the first flyer goes out June-ish.

As to a mailing once a week, it would be a _really_ big issue. The server
automatically sends out an issue when it reaches ~25k or ~24-hours since the
last issue, whichever comes first. On busy days, the server releases three
issues, and even on slow ones it releases at least one. So there are no plans
for a huge once/week version of the Internet OTR Digest.  --cfs3]

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 14:39:39 -0500
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Case of Hal Stone vs. Nitpicker

Reading Hal Stone, I hasten to say that if Ron Sayles sends his copy of
Hal's book back, I'll be more than happy to take it off Hal's hands.  Of
course, now that it's used and so much older, there should be a substantial
reduction in price.  Right, Hal?

Lee Munsick

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:03:22 -0500
From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  new book, WORDS AT WAR: Christmas postal rush

 I just checked with the post office. It appears that I will need to mail
off copies of "Words at War" to the rest of those wishing to  receive
their copy at the free book rate, by December 15. Please contact me ASAP
if this applies to you.

Howard Blue

[removed]

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:14:05 -0500
From: Ronald Staley <mrvintageradio@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  johny dollar theme

The 1955 theme was actually used on the television show Dick Tracy in
1954.

The music credit for 1955 dollars, especially those of the 15-minute series
goes to Amerigo Marino, (pardon spelling)

By the way, can I get ahold of those themes, short or long, without
voiceovers. If so, can someone write me on or off line?

Ronald Staley

mrvintageradio@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 15:34:35 -0500
From: "john abizaid" <JAbizaid@[removed];
To: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Soaps

Many years ago, when I was in grammar school, we went home at the noon hour
for dinner and returned to school until 3:30 p.( In those days, what we now
call lunch ,was called "dinner" and what we now call dinner was "supper") I'd
have my dinner in the kitchen. My Mom, my aunt Jo and my Grandmother were
always there doing various homemaking duties and the radio atop the "ice box"
was always on. I remember listening to "Big Sister" every day. Many years
later, after I became an OTR fan, I got hold of a few "Big Sister" tapes, made
some copies ,and presented the copies to my Mom and Aunt Jo, fully expecting
that they would thank me profusely. It didn't happen. They had no memory of
"Big Sister". I told them of my childhood memory of the radio playing in the
kitchen, tuned into "Big Sister" every day for years. They then told me that
they never listened to "soaps". They said it was my Grandmother who wouldn't
miss "Big Sister" come Hell or High Water. Which is all well and good, except
for the fact that my Grandmother spoke very little English, or at least, that
is what she lead everyone to believe. I took the tapes back, a little sadder
,but also a little bit wiser about the human condition.

                                                        Jack

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:01:31 -0500
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cinnamon Bear

As some of you know, I collect sheet music relating to OTR or with Jack Benny
on the cover.  I have over 1200 of these items but I just added the sheet
Music "The Cinnamon Bear."   I thought it would be of interest since there is
discussion in the Digest this time of year about CB.  Jay

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:10:12 -0500
From: "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Six Shooter Theme

I, too, like The Highland Lament, the theme song of The Six Shooter. I
wonder if anyone knows anything about the music that is often used as a
bridge on that show. There are a couple of them: one that appears when
danger is present, the other a light-hearted piece usually played as
background music as Britt relates the latest goings-on in Yellow Branch or
some other such town. I suppose it's too much to expect that this music
would exist on some old album. There is no better music to describe the feel
of a sunny day on the open [removed]

Mike Leannah

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:07:52 -0500
From: "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  [removed] affiliate of Liberty Broadcasting System

I'm wondering if anybody knows or can find out what radio station in Los
Angeles carried the re-creations of baseball games over Gordon McGlendon's
Liberty Broadcasting System between 1948 and May of 1952, when the network
folded?  A friend of mine who worked in radio in [removed] at the time thought
that KHJ carried the games along with the Don Lee stations on the West
Coast, but I don't know if that's correct.  So, I'm looking for documented
evidence of which station in Los Angeles was affiliated with Liberty?

Any help on this will be most appreciated.

Jim

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 21:32:29 -0500
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Theme Song - Tales of the Texas Rangers

Hi Gang -      

The recent thread about Radio Theme Songs reminded me of something I meant 
to ask a year ago:  Within the past two years all (or most) of the "Tales of the 
Texas Rangers" programs have been placed into circulation.  I remember listening 
to that program when it was on the air.  One broadcast in particular caught my 
attention.

At the end of the story, the announcer stated that they had received a number
of letters asking for the name of their theme song.  He said it was (something 
like) "The Texas Rangers March", and gave the name of the composer.  Then 
they did a most unusual thing - they played the theme song all the way through 
without interruption and without any voice-over.

I have listened to most of the the circulating program in hopes of locating that 
particular broadcast without success.  My question is, has anybody heard that
program with the entire theme song recently?  Is it in general circulation? Of 
course I'd like to have the broadcast date so that I can locate it.

For those people who are not familiar with the series, it's a great show, and it 
has a "catchy" theme song.  Tales of the Texas Rangers is worth a listen.

Happy Taping -  Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois 
kenpiletic@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:21:21 -0500
From: lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR In Sets/ OTR On Records

Would like to barrow, swap, trade or rent old sets
of OTR from [removed], Adv. In Cassettes or any other
source.  Not a dealer, just love to listen.

Also looking for a collector who collects OTR on
records.  I have a few I'd like to find a new home
for.

Please contact off list.

Many Thanks!!
Lynn

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:21:52 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Captain Midnight cast

On Boris Aplon, Conrad Binyon mentioned:

See for yourself Boris Aplon during his days in the Forties.
[removed]

To which I add - you can see much of the Captain Midnight cast at

[removed]

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:21:13 -0500
From: "Roger Robineau" <Robineau2@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Erotic location - Poll

Regarding Elmer Standish and Hal Stone's discussion of OTR outside North
America

I am a Canadian and more of a Lurker than a solid contributor. Several
of the groups I belong too, are quite multi-national.  And yes, I am
still looking for French-Canadian OTR.

In response to Hal, I live in the erotic city of Oakville, Ontario.
(Does that win a prize) oops! I think that was exotic.

Roger

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 23:21:27 -0500
From: "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  More on CBS in [removed] in 1928-'29

I would like to thank Elizabeth for her in-depth research and explanation of
why KPLA was carrying early CBS programs in Los Angeles in 1928-1929.

However, I'm still puzzled over why KFWB-Hollywood was also carrying some
Columbia network programs during these years.  I'll cite two examples.

First, from the September 15, 1928 Santa Ana Daily Register radio page:
This story says that a coast-to-coast hookup starring Al Jolson from the New
York Winter Garden will be broadcast over the Warner Brothers Motion Picture
Studios Station, KFWB, on Monday, September [removed]

"Arrangements have been made with the Columbia Broadcasting System to
broadcast the opening of the picture ("The Singing Fool") direct from the
Winter Garden with Al Jolson himself acting as master of ceremonies. The
program will be broadcast with KFWB handling the Southern California end of
the chain.  This will be the first musical program to come to the Pacific
Coast  over the Columbia [removed] broadcasting this program and
the time it will come on the air will be released in a day or two."

Next, from the Los Angeles Times of February 19, 1929.
This story talks about KFWB erecting the station's new antenna towers atop
the Warner Brothers Theater in Hollywood on March 4, 1929, KFWB's 4th
birthday anniversary.  "The date will also mark the inauguration of a
monthly transcontinental broadcast originating in the KFWB studios and
traveling east over the Columbia chain."  Again, Al Jolson was to  be part
of this first broadcast along with Conrad Nagel, the Biltmore Hotel
Orchestra, etc.  The story also says these monthly coast to coast broadcasts
over KFWB will go on the air on the regular Vitaphone Jubilee Hour, at 6:30
[removed]

So, there are two examples of KFWB originating and/or broadcasting a
national progam over CBS for the Los Angeles area in 1928 and '29.

Elizabeth also said the formal alliance between CBS and Don Lee for KHJ and
his Don Lee network to carry CBS programs followed in December, after the
Seattle based ABC network folded in the fall of 1929.

But, I see from "Radio Doings" magazine that during the week of October 12,
1929, KHJ in Los Angeles was already carrying many CBS network programs such
as Majestic, Old Gold, Voice of Columbia, and many others.

So, does this mean that Lee and CBS had an understanding that KHJ, KFRC and
his other stations would take over broadcasting Columbia programs in Los
Angeles and the rest of CA, OR and WA, and that the final contract was
pending?

I look forward to any further explantions and clarification on this subject.

Jim

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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 00:11:06 -0500
From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Velocipede

Just FYI, here is a picture of an 1870 Velocipede:

[removed]

There are also other interesting antique bicycles on
that website.

Rick

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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:10:45 -0500
From: "timl2002" <timl2002@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  BUD COLLYER

Hal:
     Though I never had the good fortune of meeting Bud Collyer,  (I am a
bit young to have reasonably done so)
I have had the good fortune to see him on repeats of his "Beat the Clock"
and "To Tell The Truth" shows overnight on Game Show Network.  I have to
agree he seems very much the professional.  Very friendly and kind to
Panelists and Contestants.  You get the sense that he is the same off air as
[removed] genuinely nice man.

Tim Lones
Canton, Ohio

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