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>                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
>                                  Volume 2001 : Issue 397
>                             A Part of the [removed]!
>                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

>                                     Today's Topics:

>      WJSV                                  [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
>      Floppy records                        [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
>      Looking through the glasses of the t  [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
>      Today in Radio History                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
>      Cardboard records                     [ "Arte" <arte@[removed]; ]
>      Student term papers                   [ Alan/Linda Bell <alanlinda43@yahoo. ]
>      Finding quality MP3s .                [ OTRChris@[removed] ]
>      MP3                                   [ "[removed]" <swells@[removed]; ]
>      Re: Vocalists' offspring              [ alo <alo@[removed]; ]
>      Offspring                             [ Udmacon@[removed] ]
>      MP3s: Down to Business                [ Don Taylor <don@[removed]; ]
>      Re: CARDBOARD RECORDS Redeux          [ "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@hotmail ]
>      Vocalist's kid                        [ Alan Chapman <[removed]@verizon. ]
>      Singers' Offspring                    [ andy ryan <anbryan2000@[removed]; ]
>      Re: WJSV                              [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
>      Vocalists' Offspring                  [ "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@rivnet ]
>      Vocalists' offspring                  [ "Ed Kindred" <kindred@[removed]; ]
>      Re: Vocalist offspring                [ Garpboy@[removed] ]
>      Cardboard record questions            [ vigor16@[removed] ]
>      Re: Offspring                         [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
>      Junior Tonsils                        [ neil crowley <og@[removed]; ]
>      Fred Caposella                        [ Osborneam@[removed] ]
>      RE: Vocalists' Offspring              [ Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed]; ]
>      son of singer                         [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
>      Kids who are (or were) as talented a  [ SacChief@[removed] ]
>      my jack benny mp3 problem             [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:13:02 -0500
>     From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
>     To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: WJSV

>     I don't mean to gang-up on Bill Murtaugh, whose posts to the Digest are
>     always insightful, but Bill Harris is right about the opening announcement
>     on September 21, 1939 from WJSV.  The station is identified as a CBS owned
>     station.

>     Further, Robert Metz in his book on CBS entitled CBS:  REFLECTIONS IN A
>     BLOODSHOT EYE, states, "At WJSV in Washington, [removed], a station then owned
>     by [removed] ."(p. 175).  Metz' book, in its paperback form, was published by
>     New American Library in 1976.

>     Of course, neither of these sources makes it true.  Perhaps someone can set
>     the record straight  here.  If memory serves me, this issue has surfaced
>     before.

>     Dennis Crow

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:13:40 -0500
>     From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Floppy records

> >     Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:13:35 -0500
> >     From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];

> >     As well, the magazine in question was not Playboy, but one of its
> >     competing cheapjack clones in the skin rag trade, Gallery.

>     As I recall, Gallery began as a close immitation of Playboy in format and
>     was published, ostensibly, by F. Lee Bailey.  Eventually, he, or whatever
>     group or entity he was part of, sold the magazine, and its format
>     changed.  But the early issues could easily be mistaken for Playboy if
>     you didn't look at the title.

>     A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
>     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
>     Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:14:11 -0500
>     From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Looking through the glasses of the time

> >     Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:26:53 -0500
> >     From: JackBenny@[removed]

> >     I suppose the ultimate question is, "Why does it matter?"  And I am
> >     convinced that, as Chris noted, that the original writers had no thought
> >     to the possible "revisionist views" of their work.

>     Another famous instance is the book "Seduction of the Innocent," by Dr.
>     Frederick Wertham, which was a tirade against the comic book industry.
>     While there probably were some comic books that deserved to be criticized
>     as being unsuitable for children, Dr. Wertham overstated his case, going
>     so far as to suggest that Batman and Robin were homosexual and that
>     children recognized them to be such.

>     I've always thought that was the reason that "Aunt Harriet" lived with
>     Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson in the Batman TV show.

>     A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
>     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
>     Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:14:28 -0500
>     From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
>     To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: Today in Radio History

>      From Those Were The Days --
>     1942 - The characters of Allen's Alley were presented for the first time
>     on The Fred Allen Show. This particular segment of the show became very
>     popular and was used by Allen until 1949. Remember the stops along the
>     way in Allen's Alley? They were at the Brooklyn tenement of Mrs.
>     Nussbaum, the farmhouse of Titus Moody, the shack of Ajax Cassidy and
>     the antebellum mansion of Senator Beauregard Claghorn.

>      From long time list member --

>     December 13, 1951 - Stars in the Air premiered over CBS Radio, a popular
>     radio anthology series.

>      Joe

>     --
>     Visit my home page:
>     [removed]~[removed]

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:13:15 -0500
>     From: "Arte" <arte@[removed];
>     To: "OldRadio Mailing List" <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: Cardboard records

>     I vaguely remember a record on a cereal box. I don't recall
>     what was on it, but I remember as a kid cutting it out and
>     playing it on my record player. I seem to remember it not
>     sounding very good.
>     This would have been in the late 50's some time.

>     Arte
>     [removed]

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:27:50 -0500
>     From: Alan/Linda Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
>     To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: Student term papers

>     Just thought I'd mention that several of this year's crop of term papers on
>     various aspects of broadcast history contained a number of bibliographic
>     references to a source by the name of McLeod. And they weren't all
>     references to Amos 'n' Andy, either.

>     Alan

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:18 -0500
>     From: OTRChris@[removed]
>     To: <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: Finding quality MP3s .

>     Many, Many people are collecting  OTR in MP3 right now.
>     I am sure that the lower  price is a major factor  but also the smaller
>     storage space required cannot be overlooked and the convenience of so many
>     shows on one disc . On a trip I can take just  one CD rather than tug around
>     25 cassette tapes or more. It's really nice.
>     However,  I do want my shows to have some sense of sound quality and I do not
>     mind paying a higher price to those dealers who offer these higher quality
>     MP3s.
>     There are a lot of fine dealers with a quality OTR product but they for the
>     most part are not dealing in MP3. For those of us collecting in MP3 it would
>     be nice to know who the MP3 dealers are that really care about the OTR
>     quality they are offering and turn out the higher quality work. These MP3 OTR
>     dealers  are the ones who I want to do business with . Anyone have
>     recomendations (perhaps this needs to be shared off list) ?

>     Thank You

>     -Chris

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:23 -0500
>     From: "[removed]" <swells@[removed];
>     To: <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: MP3

>     Chris asks: Can quality exist at a rate of 32 if handled correctly?

>     The answer is yes. The main issue, as Charlie pointed out, is the actual
>     source material used. If you use high generations open reels, cassettes,
>     then this will cause some problems. I encoded many series' at 32/22 a few
>     years ago that sound pretty good. I personally changed the way I encode them
>     because I think the end result is a bit better. It's all a matter of taste
>     to some extent. Bear in mind that I would never put anyone's hard work down,
>     even if it sounded bad. I would imagine that there are a few people here who
>     make their own Mp3's and they can tell you that it is no easy task, but the
>     end result is much better, easier to organize than thousands of reels, etc.
>        For example, take today's music ; to make a good quality mp3 from that
>     you would always want to use at least 44/128 or better. Now with OTR we are
>     not dealing with material that is Dolby [removed] digital quality, or THX
>     Certified to start with. Here you have recordings that are analog at best.
>     When I work on a show, my main concern is making the sound as best as I can,
>     without ruining the show. For this, I use Cool Edit Pro. I know it carries a
>     big price tag ( [removed] ) and then the mp3 addition, but it is well worth it
>     in my opinion. It has all the features from, various equalizers, noise
>     reductions, amplifier, etc, etc.
>        You know what's neat, I have made reels and a couple of  friends by just
>     reversing the cables from my computer back to the open reel deck and the
>     stereo receiver. Talk about old technology meeting new !  Anyway, by doing
>     it this way you can create some very clean tape recordings, no transfer
>     hiss, etc.
>     Shawn

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:25 -0500
>     From: alo <alo@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Re: Vocalists' offspring

>     At 09:22 AM 12/13/2001 -0500, Al Girard wrote in part:

> >     Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that
> >     was any good at all?  I sure can't.

>     <cough> Liza Minnelli <cough>

>     (Judy Garland had another kid with a great set of pipes, too, btw, Lorna
>     Luft.)

>     hth,
>     Amanda

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:29 -0500
>     From: Udmacon@[removed]
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Offspring

>     "Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that was any good at all?  I sure
>     can't"

>     What about Lisa Minelli?

>     Bill Knowlton

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:35 -0500
>     From: Don Taylor <don@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: MP3s: Down to Business

>     Everyone,

> >     >From a mostly lurker's point of view, I've seen a lot of comments

>     about MP3s and those who sell them, and I think Charlie's last post
>     nails it -- the problem with poor MP3 recordings lies with dealers who
>     just don't give a rip.

>     Now to the real point: Out of the morass of bad dealers, can anyone
>     recommend some good, reliable ones that deal in good products?

>     Thanks!

>     -Don Taylor

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:42 -0500
>     From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Re: CARDBOARD RECORDS Redeux

>     "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; quotes me and responds:

> > >     an issue of Oui that contained a cardstock single of one of the tracks

> >     from

> > >     The Beatles' audition session for Decca [removed]

> >     THAT issue, I bought; I was not yet an adult when the Gallery came out.

>     I must confess that, similarly, _I_ was not an adult when that Gallery issue
>     came out, either. I just looked and sounded older. Somewhat similar to the
>     stories of too many of us, I suspect. :-)

>     For the sake of leaving no stone unturned, there _was_ a tongue-in-cheek
>     request that Hugh Hefner incorporate one of those Evatone Sound Sheets into
>     an issue of Oui. It came in Harlan Ellison's essay, "The 3 Most Important
>     Things in Life," in the ?March 1978 issue. As he describes his half-day in
>     the employ of the Walt Disney Company, Ellison made the request in order to
>     display how well he could imitate the voice of Mickey Mouse, an element
>     vital to the story. (The rest of the story can be found in Ellison's
>     EDGEWORKS 2 and STALKING THE NIGHTMARE, while the basics of the tale appear
>     on a page at [removed]) The Mickey Mouse reference should bring this
>     marginally on-topic, I suspect.

> >     Thank you, Dave.

>     No problem. You're welcome.

> >     Next time, I'll just keep my trap shut.

>     Don't sweat it. Sometimes the only way to determine how close you are to the
>     canyon is to fall over the cliff.

>     Then, Roo61@[removed] (Randy Watts) quotes Michael Biel and responds:

> > >     As for actual cardboard discs: does
> > >     anybody remember when you could get a
> > >     Monkees record on the back of a box of
> > >     cereal circa 1971?

>     I suspect the Monkees items were slightly earlier; Kellogg's had been a
>     sponsor of the original run of the Monkees' TV show on NBC from September
>     1966 through August 1968, and continued their sponsorship when reruns popped
>     up on CBS from 1968 to 1970. By the end of '70, the group had completely
>     disbanded, so I suspect it wasn't likely that the cereal box records would
>     be promoted in '71. However, there were three other such promotions around
>     the same time: The Archies, the studio group formed for the Filmations
>     version of the cartoon, had two sets of box records; another studio outfit,
>     The Sugar Bears, did a tune titled "You are the one" that was pressed into
>     the backs of boxes of Post Super Sugar Crisp; and the Chicago teen rock band
>     The Shadows of Knight did one record, "Potato Chip" (which incorporated a
>     clip from their big chart hit of 1966, "Gloria"), which was pressed into the
>     backs of one (forgotten) brand's potato chip boxes as a counter to Red Dot
>     Potato Chips' including a cut-out 45 from Mercury or Chess Records in their
>     boxes.

> >     The only cardboard record I own is of Red Skelton, offering his
> >     interpretation of the Pledge of Allegiance.  I have no idea when it came
> >     out, other than that I've had it since I was a child, and it was a
> >     Burger King promo.

>     Does anyone recall if this might have been before Columbia Records issued
>     the Skelton clip on a regular commercial 45? I recall the Columbia 45 being
>     in their "Hall of Fame" reissue series catalogue for quite a few years, thus
>     calling into question why anyone would want a lower-fidelity edition as a
>     hamburger stand promotion.

>     Which, in turn, reminds me that, in the early '60s, Boston disc jockey Arnie
>     "Woo Woo" Ginsburg (spelling?) of WMEX had a promo set up with one drive-in
>     restaurant in which a hamburger would be served on top of a 45rpm record
>     that he'd autographed the sleeve of. (Arnie, if I recall correctly, was Jan
>     Berry's singing partner before Jan & Dean took off, and also managed Freddie
>     "Boom Boom" Cannon.) I would hope the drive-in knew enough to add a piece of
>     cardboard or some such buffer between the record and the hamburger to
>     prevent warpage and grease in the grooves.

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:55 -0500
>     From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed];
>     To: Old-Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: Vocalist's kid

> >     Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that
> >     was any good at all?  I sure can't

>     Liza Minnelli (foal of Judy Garland)

>     --Alan

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:59 -0500
>     From: andy ryan <anbryan2000@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Singers' Offspring

>     Al Girard writes:

>     Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that
>     was any good at all?  I sure can't.

>     How about:
>     Jack Jones (Alan Jones)
>     Natalie Cole (Nat Cole)
>     Tony Pastor's son (can't  remember his [removed] very
>     good big band singer.)
>     Liza Minelli

>     andy ryan

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:05 -0500
>     From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
>     To: <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: Re: WJSV

>     On 12/13/01 9:27 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

> >     On the recordings of what is often referred to among collectors as the
> >     "Complete Broadcast Day" of WJSV in Washington (1939) the sign on and sign
> >     off announcement mentions that WJSV was owned and operated by the Columbia
> >     Broadcasting System. Was this announcer mistaken?
> >     Numerous station lists and records out there in radioland refer to WJSV and
> >     WTOP as being a CBS owned station for a period of time although indeed a
> >     separate news facility was and is operated by CBS in our nations capital.

>     WJSV actually began in Brooklyn in 1926 as station WTRC. It was sold to
>     James S. Vance, publisher of The Fellowship Forum magazine, becoming
>     WTFF, and was then  moved to Mt. Vernon Hills, Virginia, with studios in
>     Alexandria. At that time the calls were changed to WJSV.

>     Meanwhile, CBS was becoming unsatisfied with the program clearances
>     offered by station WMAL, its original affiliate in DC, and tried
>     unsuccessfully to get authorization to build a relay station in
>     Washington, which would be synchronized with WABC in New York. This
>     application was denied, and on 11/24/31, CBS began using WJSV as a
>     secondary Washington outlet for programs that WMAL refused to clear,
>     notably "Kaltenborn Edits The News." (Broadcasting, 12/1/31)

>     As of 1932, the WJSV license was held by Vance's Independent Publishing
>     Company, publishers of "Fellowship Forum" magazine. In April of 1932, as
>     the situation between CBS and WMAL continued to deteriorate, it was
>     announced that CBS and Vance had agreed on a five-year deal for CBS to
>     lease the radio station, taking over full responsibility for the station
>     and making it the primary Columbia outlet for the DC market.
>     (Broadcasting, 5/1/32) On May 6th, the WJSV license was assigned to the
>     Old Dominion Broadcasting Company, a dummy corporation set up by CBS to
>     operate the station under the terms of the lease. On May 21st, authority
>     was granted to move the transmitter to Bailey's Cross Roads, Va, but this
>     location proved unsatisfactory, and on June 18th, permission was granted
>     to move to facilities to a location on the Mt. Vernon Memorial Highway
>     midway between Alexandria and Washington. The station was off the air
>     while these moves were being completed, and on October 20th, WJSV began
>     service as a leased-and-operated CBS outlet. CBS didn't *own* the station
>     at this point, but operated it as though they did.

>     I haven't yet pinpointed the exact date when CBS bought out Vance
>     completely and took over full ownership of the station, but all the
>     indications I've been able to find are that it happened by the middle of
>     1937, probably at the time of the expiration of the five-year lease. The
>     WTOP calls were adopted in 1943 -- CBS had to buy them from the
>     Washington DC Metropolitan Police, which had used them for their official
>     communications station.

>     In 1948, the Washington Post bought a controlling interest in the station
>     -- with the newspaper controlling 55 per cent of the stock and CBS
>     retaining a 45 per cent interest. The Post officially took control of the
>     station in February 1949.

>     While the WJSV calls do stand for "James S. Vance," they had another
>     meaning when one of the station's most memorable personalities was on the
>     air. Elder Solomon Lightfoot Micheaux, an  former fish peddler turned
>     evangelist, had been on the station since 1929, and when CBS took over,
>     his program was given a national audience. One of the signatures of the
>     program (aside from the rousing gospel-shout theme song "Happy Am I" was
>     the congregation chanting the station call letters, according to Elder
>     Micheaux's personal interpretation of them: "Willingly! Jesus! Serves!
>     Victory!! W! J! S! V!!"

>     Elizabeth

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:16 -0500
>     From: "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@[removed];
>     To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: Vocalists' Offspring

>     Al Girard inquired as to whether there any offspring of prominent vocalists
>     who had the talent of the parent.  I immediately thought of Jack Jones, the
>     son of the popular singer of the 30s and 40s, Allan Jones.  Although Jack is
>     not a superstar, he is generally conceded to be a vocalist of immense
>     talent.  Read his bio at [removed].

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:24 -0500
>     From: "Ed Kindred" <kindred@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Vocalists' offspring

>     I can think of at least four who if they were not good have at least made
>     their mark: Natalie Cole,
>     Jack Jones, Liza Minelli and Bonnie Raitt
>     Ed Kindred

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:25 -0500
>     From: Garpboy@[removed]
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Re: Vocalist offspring

>     Sure to be flamed for these suggestions:

>     Natalie Cole and Nat King Cole
>     Liza Minelli and Dorothy

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:31 -0500
>     From: vigor16@[removed]
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Cardboard record questions

>     Hety folks:

>     Does anybody know anything about two times in my life where I ran across
>     cardboard recordings.
>     	1.  The first time was when I was in school at the time they changed
>     themailing to include zip code or something.  I thought I got a cardboard
>     record with the song "Zip Code" by the 5 Americans, from the mid-60s on
>     it.  Since then, I bought a vynal copy of "Zip Code" which leads me to
>     ask, was that the song on the cardboard record?  Would Weekly Reader
>     know?    I thought it came out of the magazine.  It may have been
>     something about long distance and sang about telephone numbers.  I
>     forget.  If anyone knows, it would be appreciated.

>     2.  The second time was in the late 60s.  I grew up in the inner-city of
>     Rochester, NY.  My brothers and I went to the store with our allowance
>     one Saturday and found records on cardboard for about 15 cents producing
>     songs of Motown records, if I recall.  The records featured a photo of
>     the group and the grooves were made in some plastic over the picture.  I
>     recall the Temptations, 4 Tops, Supremes, and others in this format.  Was
>     this a promo to get cheaper records to kids who may have found it hard to
>     afford them?  I always wanted to know what prompted this promo and what
>     happened.  It lasted for about 6 mo. if I recall around late 1968.  I
>     think it was primarily Motown.  I don't recall any other label being
>     represented.  They were sold in a paper envelop and had a small hole,
>     like a 33 album but the record was the size of a 45.  As I said, the
>     grooves were made over the photo of the group on a laminated side and
>     they were only one sided, I think.

>     Thank you  Deric

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:37 -0500
>     From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Re: Offspring

>     In a message dated 12/13/01 9:23:10 AM, Al Girard writes:

> >     As I was listening to an Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy show, where
> >     the vocal offering was done by Gary Crosby.  (SNIP)
> >     Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that was any good at all?
> >     I sure can't.

>     ***Well, she certainly wasn't a vocalist, but Edgar's own daughter Candice
>     Bergen has had an impressive careers as a photojournalist (LIFE MAGAZINE) and
>     as an actress in both dramas (CARNAL KNOWLEDGE, GANDHI and an
>     Oscar-nomination for STARTING OVER) and comedies. --Anthony Tollin***

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:47 -0500
>     From: neil crowley <og@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Junior Tonsils

>     From: Al Girard <agirard@[removed];

> >     Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that
> >     was any good at all?  I sure can't.

>     Let's hope Natalie Cole's clipping service doesn't subscribe to the OTR Digest.

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:53 -0500
>     From: Osborneam@[removed]
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Fred Caposella

>     In OTR Digest #396, Peter Kinder <pdkinder@[removed]; wrote

> >     I have a nagging feeling that his first name was "Frank".

>     Aw, I can't believe that.  The "Voice of the Big A?"  I listened to his
>     wonderful race calls each Saturday when races from Aqueduct were
>     televised.  And my memory rarely fails me (just ask my husband!) --
>     Fred's name WAS Fred.

>     Now, let's get back to OTR, or Charlie will admonish us.

>     Arlene Osborne

>     [ADMINISTRIVIA: [removed]  --cfs3]

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:52 -0500
>     From: Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: RE: Vocalists' Offspring

>     Al Girard <agirard@[removed]; comments:

> >     As I was listening to an Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy show, where the
> >     vocal offering was done by Gary Crosby, I couldn't help but notice that Gary
> >     sure didn't have the talent that his dad Bing did. Another singer's offspring
> >     that comes to mind is Nancy Sinatra. We all know how talented her famous

    father,

> >     Frank was, but his talent didn't rub off on her.

> >     Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that was any good at all?  I
> >     sure can't.

>     The children of singers who have tried to follow directly in their parents'
>     footsteps have seldom done very well - Gary Crosby being perhaps the best
>     example of this - but those who sought their own directions sometimes did
>     OK. For example:

>     Frank Sinatra Jr., though never the equal of Frank Sr., has certainly
>     distinguished himself as a conductor/arranger.

>     Jack Jones, son of Allan Jones, had quite a successful career in
>     nightclubs, probably because he never opted to add "The Donkey Serenade" to
>     his repertoire.

>     John Raitt's daughter Bonnie has done pretty well (an understatement) and
>     has even been known to sing with Dad every now and again.

>     Natalie Cole has also sung with her Dad, Nat "King" Cole, albeit without
>     Dad actually *being* [removed]

>     Liza Minnelli has bid fair to be as successful as Judy Garland was, both in
>     performing and in dealing with the pressures of [removed]

>     Rick Nelson was probably a *better* singer than Ozzie, but then Oz never
>     was much for garden [removed]

>     Gary Lewis *was* a better singer than Jerry, and in my opinion funnier,
>     [removed] (Of course, I find Jerry Lewis to be about as funny as a power
>     [removed])

>     Melinda Marx sang just as well as Groucho did, which isn't saying [removed]

>     Bill Marx is a better pianist than Harpo was a harpist, but then Bill
>     doesn't have to lean the piano on his [removed]

>     Finally, though not a singer, Desi Arnaz Jr. can certainly beat out that
>     rhythm on a drum about as well as Desi did.

>     I'm sure there are others, but these spring to mind.

>     Harlan

>     Harlan Zinck
>     First Generation Radio Archives
>     [removed]

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:49:48 -0500
>     From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
>     To: <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: son of singer

>     One son of a singer that have had a pretty good career is Jack Jones the son
>     of Allen Jones. Take care,

>     Walden

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:24:13 -0500
>     From: SacChief@[removed]
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Kids who are (or were) as talented as their

>     parents
>     Approved: ctrn4eeWlc

>     Al Girard asks if anyone knows of an instance in which the offspring is/was
>     as talented as the parent;   There appear not to be many. For example,
>     neither of Lucille Ball's kids has her talent--or Desi's. One talented
>     offspring who does come to mind is Natalie Cole, who seems to be as talented
>     as her dad, Nat King Cole.

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:25:07 -0500
>     From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: my jack benny mp3 problem

>     Some have felt that I would do the mp3 listeners on the digest a service
>     by letting them know who I purchased the shows from and some details
>     about the set so they can avoid the same issue.

>     I wasn't going to do this, for fear of causing bad blood between another
>     collector who may also be on this list, but what the hey?  If they want
>     to release sub-standard products, others *do* deserve to know about it.

>     The set was 7 cd's, with 680 "shows" (as mentioned 45 of those were
>     duplicates, and other "shows" included an incredibly poor quality copy of
>     the audio from the "Love Letter To Jack Benny" television special.

>     I bought the set from Old Time Radio Home, on ebay for $[removed]  Avoid
>     this set at all costs.

>     I *have* bought mp3's from someone known as The Radio Lady, and found the
>     quality to be suitable for listening, but not archiving.  Of course, at
>     $7 for 100 shows or so, I'm not buying for the archiving quality, but for
>     something to listen to at work.  My *real* collection is on cassette, and
>     (increasingly) audio CD.

>     rodney.

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