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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 397


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Blue Ridge Mts etc
	 Home Page and some OTR Sounds
	 Logs and Science Fiction OTR
	 The Goon Shows
	 Intellectual Property
	 Vintage Radios For Sale
	 cyberspace-Nostalgia Digest

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 07:18:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Aubrey Bullard <aubrey@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
cc: otr@[removed]
Subject: Blue Ridge Mts etc
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

In The song "The Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia", I recall that while 
broadcasting from Virginia, (while the rest of the gang was in NY), that 
upon opening his show Godfrey sometimes sang the second line of the song 
as, "on my tail in the lonesome pines".

Aubrey B.

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 06:03:34 -0800
From: cerebus1@[removed] (Bob Fergusson )
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Home Page and some OTR Sounds
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi,

I am a regluar list reader and ocassional responder and just wanted to 
mention that I have put up a humble home page that contains some OTR 
sound files along with other radio related text. I invite you to check 
it out. The address is [removed] and it 
links to my robot page as well.

Anyway, hope you find it of some interest.

Bob

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:42:06 -0500 (EST)
From: passage@[removed] (Frank Passage)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Logs and Science Fiction OTR
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi All,
 
I didn't receive digest 394 and posted 2 items that would fit in that
time. If you've seen these before, sorry. Kindly, ignore them :-).
 
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On Logs:
 
Well, I've finished posting all the logs (not really logs, more program 
lists) I have (for now). There are some more in the works, but I'm afraid 
I won't get time 'til after the holidays.  Just wanted to say thanks to 
all those kind folks who sent me comments, error corrections, etc. I 
_think_ I sent a reply to all. If not, accept my thanks here.
 
I also owe a special thanks to Bob Burnham and Steve Kelez for putting 
electronic copies of their catalogs up on Lou's web site. Also thanks to
whoever put Ed Carr's, Ken Mills', SPERDVAC and RHAC catalogs up there.
I don't think I'd have done any list without being able to build the core
right on my PC.
 
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On Science Fiction:
 
Since I'm a science fiction fan, I keep looking for SF OTR shows. While
trying to put together logs, I ran across quite a few series with few, if
any, available shows. This is besides X Minus One and Dimension X. I know
some have been touched upon here in the digest but I wonder if anyone knows
about them. Here's a list of the series I found:
 
2000 PLUS                - I have a few of these, they have 1950 dates.
ALIEN WORLDS             - 1979 
BEYOND THIS WORLD        - only saw the pilot "Outer Limit"
BEYOND TOMORROW          - saw about 3 shows
EXPLORING TOMORROW       - got a few
FUTURE TENSE             - all titles found (about 6) were X Minus 1
PLANET MAN               - Juvenile?
SF68                     - 1968, from South Africa
SPACE PATROL             - Juvenile?
TALES OF TOMORROW        - 1953? only saw about 3 titles
THINK                    - only saw 1 of these, "Mars is Heaven", ABC, 1953
TOM CORBETT, SPACE CADET - Juvenile?
 
A lot of titles I saw are DIMENSION X/X MINUS ONE titles. Seems like the 
"Outer Limit" script was sold to everyone :-).
 
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    Frank M. Passage WB2NTP                         Email: passage@[removed]
    Penril Datability Networks                        Tel:  (201) 438-2400
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 10:24:45 -0800 (PST)
From: roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Goon Shows
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

The Goon Shows were some of the finest wordplay this side
of "My Word". I loved hearing them on radio here in the
San Francisco area and bought a number of them from a
record shop that was long on imports. If you can stand
dialog like the following, the Goon Shows are for you:

"Standbye to repel borders!
How do you repel borders?
Stop changing the bed linen."

I would love to talk to a UK fan who could explain some
of the local jokes that went over my head.

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 13:43:16 -0500
From: aa993@[removed] (Christopher L. Tumber)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Intellectual Property
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Marty wrote:
 
>So, private property is hokay in SOME cases but not others?
 
Yes.
 
There's ALSO no reason to allow individual citizens to own nuclear devices. 
Although from your stated opinion, people should be allowed to do whatever 
they want with their tac-nukes and MRVS as long as they paid for it or made 
it themselves. Come to think of it, why shouldn't I be allowed to sell such 
items to Serbia or Iraq. After all, it's MY property, and I know how you feel 
about T-H-E-F-T.
 
>Lest we forget
>        MOST OTR only existed *because* it was
>                Some company's private property!
>Yup, Kellogg's and Ralston and Ovaltine and P&G and "a host
>of others" backed what we now call OTR because
>        It was THEIR property.
 
Chicken 'n egg.
 
These programs would no more have been produced had there not been an 
audience for them. An audience which was willing to support these shows and 
buy the products of their sponsors. It is as much the audience's property as 
Ovaltine or Ralston [removed] They PAID for it by buying Pep, or Puppy Chow, or 
whatever.
 
Yet all the rights revert to the corporations. Why? Why should these
corporations (or individuals as the case may be) be allowed to "take 
the money and run", to provide products and services (radio shows) and reap 
the monetary benefits yet not be held accountable to any the responsibilities
generated by their product? (In this case, their responsibilities to the fan)
 
In a consumer society, the consumer is EASILY as important (if not more than) 
as the producer. Yet in the case of "Intellectual Property" it's all skewed 
towards the producer. (Or rather, in the case of copyrights, patents for 
example, tend to be a lot more fair. And in the case of transcription disks 
etc., obviously we're not dealing with intellectual [removed]).
 
>Now, instead of
>        First, THANKING these folks (which might help a LOT!)
>        Then, asking them to help preserve a hunk of
>                THEIR *OWN* history  <#>
>we are supposed to weep and excoriate and
>damn the concept of private property?
 
Not a bad idea, but I'm dealing with the hypothetical (if I'm not mistaken, I 
only ever mentioned Tom Mix in my subject line. Obviously my points were a 
lot broader than this one case. Maybe RP *would* be open to an advance from 
within the hobby to release those tapes) and this hypothetical deals with 
an entity (corporate or individual) which is intent upon irresponsibility.
 
And this has nothing to do with "damn the concept of private property", I've 
illustrated several accepted limits to the concept of private property (which 
you ignored except for "historic landmarks". Let me guess, you or someone you 
love is a developer, yes? Hey, if you can make THAT sweeping generalisation 
below, so can [removed]). Private protery is not a mantra which cannot be debated 
or restricted.
 
>Sorry, but this ain't the VENTING list, it's the OTR list.
>And complaining about a company's "crap attitude" is just
>not gonna "win friends and influence people".
>[No, my purpose here is NOT to do that, so don't bother
>censuring MY attitude. <g>]
 
Certainly if someone feels strongly enough about this issue they should 
contact RP, start a letter writing campaign, start a boycott, whatever. 
However there is strength in numbers, and talking about a problem and 
advertising it are certainly good ways to get started.
 
Which is what is going on here. It's those "grassroots" and "networking" 
buzzwords we keep hearing [removed]
 
AA> Just because it's legal for copyright owners to bury
AA> their properties, doesn't mean it is right.
 
>In order to preserve these gems, we must ACKNOWLEDGE their
>owners and then persuade them how much good it will do them
>to allow fans to preserve'em.
 
Why should we be dependant upon the largess and good will of corporations WE 
made millions for and WE played good little consumer for? If they won't play 
nice with us, why should we play nice with them?
 
(On the other hand, a corporation like, say NBC should be lauded for donating 
it's tapes to the [removed] Not all corporation have a problem being 
"responsible citizens" but why should we coddle those who do?)
 
>It won't surprise you to learn this
>        I consider such "landmark" laws to be t-h-e-f-t.
>I say, if YOU want to "preserve this building as a landmark",
>then buy it.  Or p-e-r-s-u-a-d-e the owner to do so.
 
>Using the awful power of Government to do this is sheer bullying.
 
Uh-huh, and you conviniently ignore my other, commonly accepted 
restrictions on private property. Conviently because to comment on them is 
either to contradict yourself ("So, private property is hokay in SOME cases 
but not others?") or show yourself to be a total crackpot ("Yes, I SHOULD 
be allowed to drive at 150mph through residential streets!")
 
So, where DO you draw the line between "bullying" and "We the [removed]"?
Is there any line at all for you?
 
Should a landowner be able to build whatever he wants on a plot of land and 
run any type of business out of any location despite what city planners think?
 
Are speed limits and moving violations "bullying"?
 
Then there's the liscencing of items like cars, airplanes, elevators, not to 
mention the liscencing of professions (T-H-E-F-T of services?) like doctors, 
lawyers, [removed]
 
I'm sure "consumer advocacy" laws are a big no-no for you as well (safety 
testing, polution regulations, quality control, [removed]). People should be 
allowed to sell, or provided whatever services they want after all!
 
I won't even mention gun control [removed]
 
 
>Let me guess
>        You do not (aspire to) create "intellectual property".
>[It's always enlightening to watch someone offer to pay for
>something with SOMEONE ELSE's credit card.]
 
Irrelevant.
 
No more valid than the statement "Since you're not a violent person, 
what right have you to restrict my ability to give beatings?"
 
AA> Couple that with some kind of "historical landmark" law
AA> [removed] unique items like transcriptions and we're all [removed]
 
>to steal.
 
>[sorry, Bill, but that IS what he's proposing. {sigh}]
 
Boy, I bet you REALLY hate paying taxes (any taxes), don't you?
 
>As an aspiring writer, I find it amazin'/amusin'/saddenin' that
>EVERY time the question of "intellectual property is raised
>        SOMEONE is willing to take what they don't own.
>Shame.
 
As an aspiring publisher, I find it amazin'/amusin'/saddenin' that 
EVERY time the question of "intellectual property" is raised
         SOMEONE is willing to defend the rights of the individual even at 
the expense of the entire industry and ultimately that individual.
Shame.
 
 
If someone came up with a cure for cancer, and then tried to bury it, they'd 
be lynched. Which DOESN'T mean they shouldn't be able to make millions off 
their discovery (which is the extreme with which you are attempting to paint 
everyone disagreeing with you. Which is simply a fabrication of your own 
radical views) but DOES mean that they DO have certain responsibilities 
towards their fellows.
 
It is this abrigation responsibility towards others and towards society 
that has led to the so called modern "decay" which so often sees sickly 
nostalgia vented on this list. Obviously Tom Mix is not a cure for cancer, 
but, it is typical of this me-me-me attitude (let me guess, yer a boomer, 
right?) that has plagued our society for decades. RP doesn't respect it's 
consumers and audience enough to make available it's shows because it doesn't 
HAVE to. Company X doesn't clean up it's effleunt because it doesn't HAVE to. 
The porno shop sets up beside the high school because it doesn't HAVE to go 
elsewhere. I don't stop the mugging going on in the parking lot outside my 
building because I don't HAVE to. Where does it lead? Certainly not anywhere 
I want to live.
 
 
Obviously this is progressing well beyond the scope of this list. Feel free 
to do the email [removed]
 

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 12:10:25 -0700
From: Jim Clark <jclark@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Vintage Radios For Sale
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>

There's nothing finer than listening to OTR thru an
honest-to-goodness OTR!  There's a new website called
Radiomania! that's worth checking out if you're in
the market for a vintage cathedral or tombstone -
great wooden rigs chock full of tubes that glow in
the dark.  They ain't cheap, though.  Here's the URL -
[removed]

Jim Clark
e-mail: jclark@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 14:54:34 EST
From: "Wagner, Mahlon W" <xwagner@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: cyberspace-Nostalgia Digest
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

I read the note from Joe Mackey about an article by Richard Kunz "Old Time
Radio in Cyberspace" in Chuck Shaden's _Nostalgia Digest_ Dec/Jan.
	I would like to read this article (as well as the recent article by
Walter Beaupre on OTR in cyberspace in the Radiogram (Sperdvac).
	Any help will be appreciated.
Many thanks,    Mahl Wagner

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