Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #91
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Date: 3/9/2002 3:03 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 91
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: William Shatner on radio          [ Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed]; ]
      Destroying Intellectual Property      [ JBeck57143@[removed] ]
      Wines advertised on OTR               [ [removed]@[removed] ]
      STREAMLOAD                            [ Musiciantoo47@[removed] ]
      Astounded at the Lone Ranger!         [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
      Re: First Lone Ranger Script          [ ROB CHATLIN <rchatlin@[removed]; ]
      Jack Benny 1953                       [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
      Re: missing sentence                  [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Re: rhubarb                           [ GOpp@[removed] ]
      Rhubarbs and Washington Cities        [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Today (Friday) in radio history       [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      RANGER TRIVIA                         [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      DRAGON EYE RING                       [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      William Shatner on Radio              [ "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm ]
      Thank You                             [ TedOTR@[removed] ]
      Rhubarb                               [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Papermoon Soundtrack                  [ Tsunami1000@[removed] ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Radio Goes to the Movies              [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      Shadow's Ring                         [ ADeTol1@[removed] ]
      Re: Benny shows 1953                  [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:19:39 -0500
    From: Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re: William Shatner on radio

    Glenn Alexander asked

>     Does anyone out there know which radio shows he [Shatner] did appear

    on?

    William Shatner appeared on at least two of the thirteen syndicated
    revival shows of "Arch Oboler's Plays" in 1964.

    Show #1 -- The Word
    William Shatner, Barbara Eiler, Hal Peary

    Show #3 -- Special to Hollywood
    William Shatner (as an airplane pilot), Gloria Blondell, Alan Reed, Chet
    Stratton.

    He may have appeared on other episodes from this series, my source does
    not list all actors in this series.

    Gerry Wright
    ZoneZebra Productions
    San Francisco

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:20:14 -0500
    From: JBeck57143@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Destroying Intellectual Property

    Elizabeth McLeod wrote:

>     ...Unfortunately, these discs [syndicated recordings of A&A that were used
>     prior to the Pepsodent-NBC run] were to be returned to the Chicago Daily
>     News
>     Syndicate after broadcast, where they were destroyed to prevent unauthorized
>     [removed]

    And (about Gosden and Correll not preserving their recordings):

>     ...Ensuring the destruction of the discs was probably seen by Gosden as
>     necessary to safeguard their intellectual property [removed]

    It seems fear of piracy (of some kind or other) has made a lot of otherwise
    intelligent people do some very unintelligent things. Unauthorized reuse
    wouldn't be a possibility unless there was some interest in the
    recordings--so why not (if possible) deal with any unauthorized use, but at
    the same time allow for the authorized reuse of the recordings?

    As a creator of "intellectual property", I wouldn't be too happy about
    getting ripped off, but I would hope that I'd never even be tempted to
    destroy my work just to prevent any "unauthorized use".

    Jim Beck

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:20:23 -0500
    From: [removed]@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Wines advertised on OTR

    It would seem that what happened to Roma Wine has been cleared [removed]
    is the wine still produced?  Also, is Cresta Blanca still sold under that
    name?  And what about Petri Wine, which was a sponsor, I believe, of
    Sherlock Holmes.  I've enquired about these three wines at a number of wine
    stores in my area (Dayton, Ohio), alas, without success.  If any of these
    are still being sold under these names, are there any places in the Midwest
    that carry them?  I was too young to try them at the time they were being
    advertised, but I do remember the ads for [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:20:46 -0500
    From: Musiciantoo47@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: STREAMLOAD
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    Hi. I recently requested and received quite a number of OTR shows from
    several people whom I assume are members of this list; or I Hope so anyway.
    Unfortunately however, because of Streamloads Poor Service in MY case anyway,
    I was never able to download any of the files. So I am writing in hopes that
    the people who sent me the files will RE send them to my MYPLAY account
    instead. Hopefully I will be successful with downloading there. If you need a
    reminder of what you sent I will TRY to find it and let you know. I am also
    going to try to contact the people individually in case they aren't members
    of this newsletter. At any rate, here is the note I wrote to Stramload that
    should clarify what I am talking about. Thanx.

    The Reason I unsubscribed is because I paid to be able to download more
    files, and the situation was WORSE after I paid. At First I was limited
    because of being a "Freeloader." So I signed up and paid so that I could
    download what I wanted. But Then every time I would TRY to download, the
    program was Unavailable, or I would get an Error message telling me "The URL
    You Are Trying To Use Has Been Used From Too Many Locations; Please Wait
    Awhile And Try Again." But no matter How long I waited, I still couldn't
    download; OR it would shut my computer down when I would try to download, OR
    there would be no File information, and on & on & on. PLUS, your Emails
    talked about the Super Fast Customer Support; so I wrote the so called
    "Customer Support" 2 or 3 times and never heard the First Word back from
    them. And to top things off, NOW I will Lose all the files that I Never Got
    To Download because of this mess instead of Streamload helping me FIX the
    [removed] I'm afraid I can't recommend your service to people if this is the
    way things are run. I didn't want money taken out of my bank account for
    nothing. I Hope no more is taken out; and if I Have been charged the $[removed]
    for this membership, I want it Back because I just Gave it to you and got
    Nothing BUT Nothing in return. I'm sorry for it too, because I really had
    high hopes for it. Thank [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:21:18 -0500
    From: Jer51473@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Astounded at the Lone Ranger!

     I cant believe that this program was so well liked. According to the number
    of posts, its seems to easily be the favoirite or most popular of all otr. I
    liked the program as "all right", but never thought of it as a favorite even
    when i was a kid. Its funny, i was a great fan of the Lone Ranger, but more
    as a comic hero than as a radio hero. I can recall as a very young kid not
    being able to wait for the next LR comic book or coloring book, but the radio
    show was only so so to me. Even the later tv shows didnt swell my interest,
    although i watched and enjoyed. Was it one of the top rated in terms of
    popularity back in the forties? Anyone? Gene Autry was the only western that
    i really liked, although the Tom Mix serial appealed to me also.

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:21:04 -0500
    From: ROB CHATLIN <rchatlin@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re: First Lone Ranger Script

    If my memory is right,
    the first script was printed in
    David Rothel's "Who was that Masked Man"
    printed in the 70's.
    As a kid, I wore out the library copy until
    I finally found one of my own.  it shows up on ebay
    often, and although it's not as comprehensive the Dave
    Holland's book, it's also much more affordable.  And
    does cover some different material, including a nice
    interview ith CD Livingstone.

    rob

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:23:58 -0500
    From: JackBenny@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Jack Benny 1953

>     I just got finished listening to an episode from May.
>     It is all to apparent to me that Jack waited 2
>     years-at least too long to end his show.
>     The enthusiasm is just not there, He and Don Wilson,
>     especially seem to be just going thru the motions

    Remember, the talent was now spread between the radio and television show.
    This included not only the performers, but the writers as well (although they
    had hired Hal Goldman and Al Gordon to help with TV).  Mary was recording her
    lines from home (on the shows where she was to appear), and Phil Harris was
    gone.  The funding to the radio show had been cut, so you couldn't have many
    guest stars (including Colmans, who last appeared on the show in 1951).  At
    this point, they were trying to come up with more running gags to sustain the
    show;  one of these was Jack's song, "When You Say I Beg Your Pardon".

    There were still some good shows during that time (2/14/54 comes to mind),
    but it had definitely changed.

>     the 'singer'..(sounds like she is pinching her
>     [removed] was she?)

    I'd have to hear it, but most likely either Bea Benadaret or Sara Berner.

>     and the man who answers everything 'Idunno'

    Again I'd have to hear it, but probably either Benny Rubin, Elliott Lewis, or
    Joe Besser.

    --Laura Leff
    President, IJBFC
    [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:21:50 -0500
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Re: missing sentence

    In my posting to "Retired NYPD LT." Patrick Picciarelli, I responded to the
    "Winning OTR Dealers" survey by saying "I haven't had dealings with Ed Carr.
    I meant to qualify [removed] I haven't had dealings with him as an OTR dealer,
    true. But I have had lots of enjoyable moments with him in Lois Culvers' OTR
    Chat Room. Sorry "Truckstop". I didn't connect the name at first. You
    definitely deserve to be one of the survey "winners" in my book.

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:22:30 -0500
    From: GOpp@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re:  rhubarb

    I don't know about the use of the word "rhubarb" for crowd noises, but in
    his memoir ("Laughs, [removed] Lucy"), my father, Jess Oppenheimer,
    recalled using a different word as part of the "crowd" on KFRC radio in
    the mid-1930s:

    "Occasionally I was allowed to do something exciting and creative, like
    being a part of crowd noises, which consisted of muttering 'Hubba hubba
    hubba.'  I recall a moment during one of my first crowd
    appearances--before I gained expertise at hubba hubba-ing--when I was so
    carried away with the thought of little me actually acting that I missed
    the director's cut-off cue.  The sound effects door closed, leaving the
    crowd--that is, all the crowd but me--on the outside.  My solo 'hubba
    hubba' dropped into the love scene taking place inside."

    - Gregg Oppenheimer

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:05:12 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Rhubarbs and Washington Cities

    Spence notes,

> >     As to whether actors mumbled the word "rhubarb" in the background to

    sound like a group noise, I don't know.  But from what I have read and
    heard, the sportscaster Red Barber, who called the Brooklyn Dodgers games
    on radio and later TV, coined the word "rhubarb" (an on-field argument)
    <<

    According to an essay by the late H. Allen Smith (one of whose novels was
    titled "Rhubarb," and involved a cat of that named inheriting a baseball
    team), the origin of the phrase came from Mr. Barber's youth.  In the
    essay, the author indicated that when Barber was a boy, he'd indulge in
    food fights with his contemporaries, where the boys would bombard each
    other with food at what, if memory serves, was a school cafeteria.  These
    events they would call "rhubarbs," possibly because this was the most
    favored cooked vegetable to hurl.  This memory, according to Mr. Smith,
    lay dormant until there was some sort of real donnybrook at a baseball
    game, and Mr. Barber blurted out, "Whatta rhubarb!"  The rest was
    history.  [Smith's novel eventually was turned into a movie starring Ray
    Milland.]

    When I was growing up, my slightly older sister told me that she'd
    learned in school that the simulation of crowd noises in radio dramas was
    achieved by having half the cast say, repetitively, "Walla-Walla," while
    the other half would do the same with "Rhubarb."  I tried it with her,
    and to my young ears, it certainly sounded like there were more than two
    of us speaking.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:07:49 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Today (Friday) in radio history

      From Those Were The Days --

    1925 - Bernard McFadden was a physical culturist who had a radio show in
    New York City. But not for [removed] McFadden failed to show up for his
    daily morning program, causing a young, studio engineer, John Gambling,
    to ad-lib on the air for a solid hour. As a result, the radio station
    (WOR) decided to give Gambling the morning announcer's job. John
    Gambling stayed at WOR for many years, then turned the mic over to his
    son, who, finally, turned the program over to his son ... all named
    John. Mr. Gambling’s Rambling with Gambling program attracted tri-state
    (New York, New Jersey, Connecticut) audiences in record numbers for over
    70 years on the 50,000 watt talk-radio powerhouse at 710 AM on your
    radio dial from New York each morning.

      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:17:47 -0500
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: RANGER TRIVIA

    The Lone Ranger on that premier episode was played by motion picture
    writer/director George Seaton.

          [removed] <:-)
              A DATE WITH SINATRA

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:18:11 -0500
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: DRAGON EYE RING

>     In 1940, Jack Armstrong offered as a premium, the Dragon's Eye
>     [removed]

    A mint Dragon Eye Ring will bring about $3000 today.  As a 'bit player'
    on the show, I was privy to a handful of these, sent to the cast by the
    General Mills ad agency, when they offered the premium.  I gave them all
    [removed] Mary used to say, "OH BROTHER"

          [removed] <:-)
              A DATE WITH SINATRA

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:36:31 -0500
    From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: William Shatner on Radio

    Hello All:

    I'm pretty sure that the future Captain Kirk appeared in Arch Oboler's 1960s
    attempt to revive radio drama (the name of the series escapes me for the
    moment).

    George

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:18:24 -0500
    From: TedOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Thank You

    I just wanted to say thank you to everyone that voted for me to be mentioned
    in the book and also to the author, Patrick Picciarelli (Lt., NYPD. ret.).
    It is quite an honor for me and I appreciate it very much.  I would also like
    to thank Hal for his comments.  I am very much looking forward to meeting
    this gentleman (?) at the Cincinatti convention.  Hal I am just kidding (the
    gentleman part not the part about meeting you).  It is really something for
    me to get this kind of support especially when I first started collecting all
    of my family and friends thought I was insane.  Everyone's attitude was why
    would I want to spend time on this when there was television.  My thought was
    that there was a magic to radio that television has never achieved.  It was
    also a chance to hear the personalities that had left or retired by that
    time.  One thing that I must mention.  Radio Memories is not just Ted
    Davenport.  It is many people that help me all of the time.  There are just
    too many to mention here, but Radio Memories could not be what it is without
    each and every one of them.  They have, and will always have, my thanks and
    appreciation.  Again, thank you so much to each and every one of you that
    mentioned me.  It is greatly appreciated.

    Ted Davenport
    Radio Memories

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 21:17:53 -0500
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Rhubarb

    Spence mentions that it was Red Barber who coined the word rhubarb, but
    here is what I got from the word origins web site. Not sure of its
    accuracy, though this site usually has well researched information - seems
    the word was around prior to Barber's use:

    "How did a vegetable become baseball slang for an argument or fight?
    It actually comes from radio jargon. During early radio dramas, when the
    noise of an angry crowd was needed, actors in the studio would repeatedly
    utter the word rhubarb, which provided the appropriate effect. The hubbub
    and din of a radio crowd was somehow transferred over to the noise of a
    fight or argument. This use is documented as early as 1934.
    The use in baseball dates to about 1943. Red Barber, the famed baseball
    broadcaster, is often cited as the one who introduced the term to baseball,
    and it seems likely that Barber (or perhaps some other broadcaster) relied
    on his radio background to come up with the term.
    Interestingly, the OED2 also has a cite from 1943 military slang for a
    fighter mission to find targets of opportunity to strafe."

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 21:37:55 -0500
    From: Tsunami1000@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Papermoon Soundtrack
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    Unfortunately, no one has responded to my inquiry for a Papermoon soundtrack
    which contained the original 30s sounds from the movie (and obviously from
    the original 78 rpm records).  So, I would like to inquire again if anyone
    has a copy I could obtain.  While I am at it, I like all kinds of music from
    the 30s, and I seek anyone who may have a substantial collection on tape or
    CD.  Anyone?  Thanks, JIM

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    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 11:04:13 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Today in radio history

      From Those Were The Days --

    1945 - Those Websters debuted on CBS radio. Willard Waterman starred as
    George Webster.

      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:59:45 -0500
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Radio Goes to the Movies

    Art Gilmore has been added to the Jack Webb/Dragnet panel for the Radio Goes
    to the Movies weekend in May. For details of events, see
    [removed]

    Barbara

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    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:13:59 -0500
    From: ADeTol1@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Shadow's Ring
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    Spence writes:

>     That reminds me that, as a kid, I sent away for and received a "Shadow" ring
>     that was a white luminous plastic ring ("glows in the dark") on which was set
>     a dark blue plastic piece, representing a piece of Blue Coal, the program's
>     sponsor.  I had a lot of fun charging up that ring and watching it in the
>     dark.

>     But it occurs to me now:  What did I send away for that ring?  Does anyone
>     know?  Usually I sent 10 cents and a boxtop or a wrapper or a "reasonable
>     facsimile" or whatever.  But I'm sure I didn't get my dad to order a load of
>     Blue Coal so I could send them a fragment of anthracite.  Any ideas?

>     Spence

    The Shadow ring was larger and rougher than the Jack Armstrong Ring.
    I think they tried to copy it.  It had the shadow on each side of the lump of
    coal and he was was wearing a large rimmed hat  that had rather sharp edges.
    It rubbed on the adjoining fingers and never felt right.

    I can't remember what we sent for it. We probably only sent them a letter
    with the dime taped to the page with our address.  There was no special
    purchase or form to send in.

    However to join Captaiin Midnite's Secret Squadron, it required going to a
    Skelly Gas Station and requesting a special form from the owner.  I remember
    asking for the form from a rather surly station employee.  He was the
    exception, for most of the adults treated us kids pretty well in those days.

    Andy

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    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 15:18:27 -0500
    From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re: Benny shows 1953

    I'm currently listening to the 1953/1954 season of the Benny show myself,
    and I don't find it to be bad at all.  It's not nearly as spontaneous as
    earlier seasons, but that may be in part due to the transcription.  Jack
    was doing the TV show at that time too, so he was possibly being spread
    too thinly.  Regardless, he was very proud of his shows, and I think that
    is obvious even in the weaker episodes.

    PS---The woman singing is Sarah Berner.

    rodney.

    Past Tense Productions
    Carrying Old Radio related films, and Hal Roach shorts, for $7 per tape.

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