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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 351

Table Of Contents: 

	 Message for Don Dortmund
	  strictly@[removed]
	 Re: Place the faces ...
	 Elena Verdugo
	 warehoused Shadows?
	 The Shadow Chronicles
	 That's Rich and Gypsy Rose Lee
	 Beany
	 Re: Censorship and Stan Freberg
	 OTR Photos
	 News for New Subscribers
	 Tom Bosley
	 Re: Fruit Frost and Warnings
	 Digest panel
	 Welles and the Shadow
	 jack armstrong: all-american boy
	 Amos 'n' Andy

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 09:03:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: Troy Burnham <dburnham@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Message for Don Dortmund
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Hi Everyone,

Don Dortmund has been leaving messages in my E-mail about wanting to 
trade with me.  I want to let you know, Don, that I haven't been ignoring 
your messages, but every time that I try to send you my list it comes 
back to me in returned mail.  I have your E-mail address as 
[removed]@[removed]  If this is wrong in any way, please let me 
know.  

I am interested in trading with you though, and I do have your list.

Troy Burnham

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:07:11 -0600
From: Chet Cox <CHCOX@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  strictly@[removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

<<<Stictly Book Promotions is a small book publicity firm specializing in 
small press and self published authors. If you would like to be on our 
e-mail mailing list please e-mail us back.>>>

OK, I'm e-mailing back.  Snail mail is Chet Cox, 910 S 1060 E, Springville,
UT 84663.  e-mail is CHCox@[removed]

*jeep!
~~~~Chet
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Quote of the day:  "If a cluttered desk is the sign of a cluttered mind,
what does an empty desk mean?"
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 08:03:21 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Place the faces ...
Message-Id: <[removed]@dlogics>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

lgenco@[removed] (Lou Genco) writes:
>Some folks have suggested, in recent OTR Digests, that convention 
>attendees wear a microchip to identify themselves as part of the 
>"Connected" group of OTR fans on the Web.

The subject of how to recognize Internet friends at shows in person
came up on the Oldsmobile Owners' Email List a while ago, and one
idea was to use the At symbol ("@"). A small lapel pin or sticker
was discreet enough for nametags and such, and cars on display would
have a slightly larger one in the corner of the window.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@[removed]
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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Date: 24 Sep 96 11:09:21 EDT
From: "Robert I. Scherago" <[removed]@[removed]>
To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Elena Verdugo
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

On Monday, 9/23, Ronald F. Apgar asked:
>>I came across the name of Elena Verdugo.  If my
>>memory serves me right, didn't she appear on
>>radio back in the golden-days?

If my memory serves me right, Elena Verdugo played
Millie in "Meet Millie" on TV in the 50's, and later was
the receptionist on "Marcus Welby, MD". Did this
show start on radio? I think so, but can't remember.
As someone said recently, the memory is the 
second thing to go. Unfortunately, I do remember
what the first thing was!

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 11:00 CDT
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: warehoused Shadows?
Message-Id: <m0v5ZuD-000k1hC@[removed]>

John Cunningham said,
>Isn't it maddening to think that in government storage somewhere there is 
>a whole group of "lost" Shadow episodes waiting to be found?  It reminds 
>me of the ending shot of "Raiders of the Lost Ark"--crate upon crate of 
>precious material just sitting there.

Of course, the last shot of "Raiders" was inspired by the last sequence of
"Citizen Kane", where the camera cranes over seemingly endless acres of
Kane's [removed], of course, "Kane" was primarily concocted by
Orson Welles.

Over in another newsgroup that I frequent, we call that "conceptual continuity."

John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
ph  (512) 495-4112
fax (512) 495-4296

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 96 11:04:00 PDT
From: "Litsey, Alan" <alitsey@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Shadow Chronicles
Message-Id: <32482383@panther>

This may have already been discussed and I missed it, but what vendor 
currently selling the new Shadow CD set? For those interested in Welles' 
radio work, I highly recommend the Voyager CD ROM, which features a number of 
Welles' radio appearances, full programs and many excerpts. A documentary is 
also included. 
Alan Litsey 
  

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Date: 24 Sep 1996 15:39:16 CST
From: [removed]@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: That's Rich and Gypsy Rose Lee
Message-Id: <m0v5eFG-000k0KC@[removed]>

Hi, all,
First I'd like to say thanks for those who have suggested Halloween shows. I
want you to know that you have cost me some money and I am always
greateful for a reason to buy and trade more OTR shows.

For the person wondering about surviving Gypsy rose Lee OTR
performances, I have her on a Command Performance show with Fred Alan.
If your are still out there drop me an e-mail.

I also have an episode of That's Rich in great sound quality that I would
be happy to send out to the person interested in that show.
Well that's all for now.

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:04:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Beany
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
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Time for Beany was done live on the west coast out of
LA. Freberg, Butler, et al would sometimes crack each
other up so much that Cecil would sing an extended 
version of the song "Ragmop" until everyone recovered.

For years later, everytime Freberg did an act with a
puppet, Clampett would seek an injunction against him.
One of Freberg's best was a puppet who came out of
a flying saucer.

There are about 13 episodes of Beany done as a cartoon
but without the original cast which made it such a hit.

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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:54:27 -0400
From: Neubacher@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Censorship and Stan Freberg
Message-ID: <960923225426_484128018@[removed]>

One of Stan Freberg's satires involves the NBC censor who comes on and sounds
a buzzer everytime Stan say's something objectionable.  The song Stan is
singing is
Old Man River which becomes Elderly Man River.  Finally he gets to the part
of getting drunk and just quits.

Bill Neubache
NEUBACHER@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:19:42 -0400
From: BROACH88@[removed]
To: <mfields@[removed]>
Subject: OTR Photos
Message-ID: <960923211942_528334746@[removed]>

Am interested in the NBC photos of Fibber McGee cast.  Is offer of [removed] OK?
 Please Email if interested.  Bob Roach - Columbus OH 

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:05:37 GMT
From: lgenco@[removed] (Lou Genco)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: News for New Subscribers
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

I see by the calendar on the wall that it is time again to welcome new
subscribers to the OTR Digest, and inform y'all of the additional OTR -
related activities available on the World Wide Web.

There are several WWW sites and pages, painstakingly written by subscribers
to this digest and other folks, that have items of interest to OTR fans.
Many of these pages include both images and sounds of "the golden years of
radio", others contain logs of favorite old radio shows or biographical
material related to stars of OTR.  There are even some "commercial" OTR
pages where you can hear and order OTR tapes.  Many of the pages are
updated with new material, so even experienced netizens will enjoy
returning to the pages frequently.

Most of the pages have pointers or links to each other, so you can wander
the web while remaining connected to your favorite hobby.  A good place to
start looking is the Original Old-Time Radio web site, maintained by yours
truly.  Just point your browser to [removed] for an enjoyable
and nostalgic trip.  While you are there, don't forget to read the OTR FAQ
-- a collection of Frequently Asked Questions (and answers) that might
edify, educate and entertain you.

Lou

                  Upcoming nearterm CPP milestones:
Expand narrative description of tech approach for DO-PMP        [removed]
Find 50 largest HMOs, 10 largest health insurance companies.    vvvvv
Devise and distribute the "market survey" (COTS questions)      [removed]
Post-Award Meeting                                          Oct 2 ???
Develop selection /evaluation criteria for COTS                 [removed]
Start Provider Attitudes (Implementation Impediments) survey

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:30:31 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Tom Bosley
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

John Koppel asks 
>
>I can remember listening to a radio show back in the 80's that was a
>mystery show and was hosted by Tom Bosley.  It was a new time radio show. 
>Am I just crazy and have a bad memory? Or am I getting the CBS Radio
>Mystery Theater mixed up with it.
>Please help!
>

That was The General Mills Radio Adventure Theater broadcast via CBS. It
was first heard on the air on February 5, 1977 and was produced by Himan
Brown and aired on Saturdays and Sundays with orientation toward the young
in spirit. It was canceled when General Mills withdrew their support.


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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:35:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bruce Toor <batoor@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Fruit Frost and Warnings
Message-ID: <[removed]@netcom13>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

To Lois Culver: I remember the Fruit Frost Warnings.  They came on at 
exactly 8 [removed] every night during the season and interrupted the schedule 
on KFI.  Remember the name of the announcer?  Was it Floyd Young?

To the poster who mentioned risque lines on the radio;: Don Ameche and 
Frances Langford doing The Bickersons:  Ameche: Here, let me carry your 
packages.  Langford: Those aren't packages!  (Audience Laughter for ten 
minutes)
 
Bruce Toor

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:48:58 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Digest panel
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Max wrote:
>I assume that many people on this list are coming from outside of the NYC 
>area for the convention.  Perhaps if there is still an opening in one of the 
>Thursday morning slots we can all gather for an impromptu panel/get-together.
>Any thoughts on this?  I will be there all three days anyway, even though I'm
>local - what about the rest of y'all?  Do we want to do something this 
>formal, or just wear computer chips to identify ourselves?  -Max
>

At this point in time it appears I am not going to be able to make it to
the convention though I hoped to get there to appear on a panel on SF on
Radio. However, several comments about the digest members getting together
reminds me of some conversations I had with several digest members at the
Cincy convention. 
Something I am trying to put into action (at least at the cincy convention)
is to offer some kind of table on otr and the internet. Several ideas were
kicked around from just presenting the digest to someone actually
suggesting it would be neat to have a line and a connection to allow people
to see the digest and the various web sites.

I still want to try to get something going along these lines and at the
very least provide output from the web sites (displays of the pages, some
of the contents, etc) and the digest to try to convince others to get on.
One possible other output would be to get an organization such as AOL to
provide diskettes to those who want to possibly sign up to the internet but
don't know how. I would think that it would be good to just also provide
advise on the potential of the independent provider, AT&T, etc. rather than
just one single organization such as AOL.

Any thoughts on this. I think it is all too late for Jay's convention this
go round, but certainly some thoughts on it all would be good to hear.

Hope this is not too off-topic from the basic digest. If it is, email me
directly and I will try to capsulate the comments.


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Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:36:05 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Welles and the Shadow
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Anthony Tollin writes:
>rather than a question.  I bow to no one in my appreciation of Welles as a
>radio and film  and theatre director, but I feel he really just "phoned in"
>his Shadow performances.  More than anything, I'd like to hear an entire
>

As I recall much of Welles radio work was rarely rehearsed. He generally
just showed up and was able to essentially move into character without any
rehearsal. Is this in fact true?

I just re-listened to his version of Donovan's Brain recently and at times
he sounded like he was reading in character. Some of it was the attempt to
characterize himself as scattered and going insane, but sometimes it almost
sounded like he was seeing it for almost the first time.

His portrayal, by the way, in that Suspense episode is very well done
though I am not sure I like it as well as John McIntire's.


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COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          
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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:52:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Hanks <chanks@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: jack armstrong: all-american boy
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Hello,

I am in desperate need of help.  Has anybody heard of a 30's or 40's radio
show called "Jack Armstrong: All-American Boy"?  I would love to find out
where I could get it on tape.  My eternal indebtedness goes out to anyone
who can help.

Thanks -- Chris (chanks@[removed])

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Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:53:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "'A. Joseph Ross'" <lawyer@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Amos 'n' Andy
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 11:07:57 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Bruce Toews <toews@[removed]>
> To: otr@[removed]
> Subject: Amos and Andy
> Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> Hi. Here's something that has bugged me for years. Why did they call it 
> the Amos and Andy show? Amos is in the show so very rarely, it seems like 
> it should be called the Andy and King Fish show. 

I remember wondering the same thing while watching the TV version.  I
don't remember the radio version very well, though I did used to listen to
the "Amos & Andy Music Hall."  In that one, Amos appeared quite
frequently.

But, to answer your question, I think the show originally featured Amos &
Andy, and the Kingfish came along later.  I know there is at least one
appearance on the Jack Benny Show where they are just Amos & Andy, without
Kingfish.

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15 Court Square                                   lawyer@[removed]
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