Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #47
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 2/3/2004 12:15 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 47
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Were artists paid on armed forces sh  [ Larry Jordan <midtod@[removed]; ]
      Re:Laughing Record                    [ <erest@[removed]; ]
      re: Fred Allen and the movies         [ "John, Ann and/or Kate" <jakdresden ]
      Alcohol humor                         [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      Marx Brothers on radio                [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      2-3 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      CAN YOU TOP THIS?                     [ Gsgreger@[removed] ]
      La Cucaracha                          [ "Michael Delisa" <mdelisa@bormarlaw ]
      Harpo Speaks                          [ otrdude@[removed] ]
      Zane Grey & Sgt. King                 [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
      Re: Marijuana, mice and cockroaches;  [ Steve Salaba <philmfan@[removed] ]
      Re: You Bet Your Life                 [ Steve Salaba <philmfan@[removed] ]
      Tipplers on OTR                       [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      "Betty Crocker"                       [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
      Re: Seattle Convention                [ Ken Dahl <kdahl@[removed]; ]
      Help with Dates                       [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
      RE: Laughing Record                   [ BH <radiobill@[removed]; ]
      Judy Canova Show                      [ "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed] ]
      MTR in LA                             [ "RBB" <oldradio@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:29:48 -0500
    From: Larry Jordan <midtod@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Were artists paid on armed forces shows?

    I have a few questions about the old armed forces recruiting radio
    shows that used to be done (eg., Country Style USA, Country Music Time,
    Navy Hoedown, et al that were then sent out on 16-inch transcription
    disks). Did the artists get paid for appearing on these shows? If not,
    how about the musicians? A number of the instrumentalists turn up on
    show after show, backing various artists like Jim Reeves, Faron Young,
    Patsy Cline, et al. Just wondered what the arrangement was and how
    these shows were produced? Perhaps the Defense Dept. budgeted something
    for the talent. Alot of these disks turn up on ebay and I've acquired
    quite a few of them from the mid to late 1950s and early '60s. They are
    wonderful to listen to (when cleaned up). Any insights about these
    would be appreciated. Thanks! Larry Jordan

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:30:02 -0500
    From: <erest@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:Laughing Record

    Hi All;

        In the 1980's Ed Walker, host of the Sunday night old radio program on
    WAMU did a big band show in the afternoons.

        A record he played was Rudy Vallee singing "Curse the Man Who Tattooed
    Her". Rudy breaks up shortly after the song begins and laughs all the rest
    of the way to the end.  I never heard it else where so I guess its fairly
    rare.

    Rob

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:30:08 -0500
    From: "John, Ann and/or Kate" <jakdresden@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re: Fred Allen and the movies

    Wasn't Fred Allen in an adaptation of O'Henry's "Ransom of Big Chief?"

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:30:48 -0500
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Alcohol humor

>     Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:10:40 -0500
>     From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];

>     I recall a lot of drunk jokes on old-time TV--Red Skelton, Jackie Gleason,
>     Dean Martin--but I don't seem to recall any on old radio.

    How about Phil Harris?

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:30:40 -0500
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Marx Brothers on radio

>     Harpo, for the record, DID speak in real life.  To date, there does not
>     exist any recording of Harpo speaking.  he never spoke during interviews.

    There is a recording of him speaking on a BBC interview.  It can be found online somewhere
    on one of the many Marx Brothers sites.

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:31:04 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  2-3 births/deaths

    Setsubun (Japan)

    February 3rd births

    02-03-1890 - Charles Correll - Peoria, IL - d. 9-26-1972
    actor: Andrew Brown "Amos 'n' Andy"
    02-03-1895 - Nick Kenny - Astoria, NY - d. 12-1-1975
    columnist, songwriter: Reader of inspirational verse
    02-03-1903 - Martin Block - Los Angeles, CA - d. 9-19-1967
    announcer, disc jockey: "Make-Believe Ballroom"; "Chesterfield Supper Club"
    02-03-1910 - Nelson Case - Long Beach, CA - d. 3-24-1976
    announcer: "Hour of Charm"; "New Carnation Contented Hour"
    02-03-1916 - Joey Bishop - The Bronx, NY
    actor: "Monitor's Salute to Jimmy Durante"
    02-03-1926 - Shelly Berman - Chicago, IL
    actor: "Family Theatre"
    02-03-1929 - Russell Arms - Berkely, CA
    singer, actor: "Have Gun, Will Travel"
    02-03-1932 - Peggy Ann Garner - Canton, OH - d. 7-21-1982
    actress: Esther Smith "Meet Me in St. Louis"

    February 3rd deaths

    03-06-1900 - Jay C. Flippen - Little Rock, AR - d. 2-3-1971
    actor: Sergeant "Rookies"
    05-26-1893 - Edward MacHugh - Dundee, Scotland - d. 2-3-1957
    singer: "Gospel Singer"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:31:22 -0500
    From: Gsgreger@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  CAN YOU TOP THIS?

    This message is for "Can You Top This?" fans.

    At a Saturday rummage sale I spent a whole quarter for the "Can You Top
    This?" book by "Senator" Edward H. Ford, Harry Hershfield and Joe Laurie, Jr.
    It's hardback, 238 pgs., and is a 1946 Blue Ribbon Books edition.  The
    dustjacket is nearly complete but has quite a bit of cellophane taping.  The
    book itself is in VG condition and is NOT a former library edition.

    The CYTT? book contains 252 jokes, quips, boners, and humorous stories.  Most
    broke the "Laughmeter" on the radio show.  Also included in the book are
    thumbnose sketches of Ford, Hershfield and Laurie, and also many cartoons.

    I wish to send the book "FREE OF EXTRA CHARGE" (as we used to say, before we
    simply started saying "FREE") to the first CYTT? fan that sends me an e-mail.
    I'll pay the postage, too [MEDIA RATE].

    Please do OTR fans a favor and don't ask for it if you are a book dealer who
    immediately plans to sell it.  I want a CYTT? fan to have it!

    Gordon Gregersen
    La Grande, Oregon

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 14:32:28 -0500
    From: "Michael Delisa" <mdelisa@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  La Cucaracha
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    Somebody quoted

>     My recollection of the 'La Cucaracha' lyrics is:

    <snip>

>          Simplified translation: "I don't want to dance because I don't have
>     marijuana to smoke".

    Many recordings I suppose, but this is what I recall --

    La Cucaracha, La Cucaracha
    Ya no puede caminar -- Now can't even walk
    Porque no tiene -- because he doesn't have
    Porque le falta -- Because he lacks
    Marijana que fumar -- Marijana to smoke

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:27:39 -0500
    From: otrdude@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Harpo Speaks
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    Go to [removed] to hear audio of Harpo speaking

    Andrew Steinberg

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 16:28:27 -0500
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Zane Grey & Sgt. King

    Sorry to disappoint Russell S. Hudson, but Zane Grey had almost nothing
    to do with Sgt. King of the Royal Mounted, other than collect his
    royalty [removed] He certainly did not create the fictional Mountie he
    is often credited with inventing.

    The story begins in the mid 30s, when a [removed] promoter of comic strips,
    Stephen Slesinger, (he's the one who talked Fred Harman into the
    creation of "Red Ryder"), noticed that the Toronto Telegram was
    dropping its strip, "Men of the Mounted." It had appeared in Canadian
    newspaper from Feb 1933 to Feb 1935 and featured several red-coated
    Mounties, including Corporal King. Slesinger bought the rights to the
    strip, promoted King from Corporal to Sgt.,  and went looking for a [removed]
    team to produce the strip.

    Slesinger, trying to get a big name above the title, signed a contract
    with Zane Grey, who would be paid well for doing nothing. To sweeten
    the pot, Slesinger hired Gray's son, Romer, to write the storyline.
    Talented artist Allen Dean was put under contract to draw the script
    and this very successful newspaper comic strip was launched in mid
    1935. With Zane Grey's name in the title, the strip went on to become a
    very profitable venture, lasting daily or Saturdays for twenty years.
    In the process, it spawned a comic book series by Dell, a hard-cover
    novel by Whitman Publishing, some Big-Little Books, and a pair of radio
    shows. But it's unlikely that Zane Grey wrote even one word of this
    enormous output.

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:32:22 -0500
    From: Steve Salaba <philmfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Marijuana, mice and cockroaches; frauds

    At 5:52 PM -0500 1/29/04, John Mayer wrote:

>     I recall seeing Cab Calloway sing "That Old
>     Reefer Man" in a feature that also included Rosemary as a child star
>     [and that's about all I remember about it].

    That movie was "International House", with [removed]  Fields. Burns & Allen and
    a host of others. I have a tape.
    --
    Steve Salaba

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 17:48:45 -0500
    From: Steve Salaba <philmfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: You Bet Your Life

    At 9:28 AM -0500 2/1/04, Martin Grams, Jr. wrote:

>     Chico Marx NEVER appeared on any of the radio or TV broadcasts of YOU BET
>     YOUR LIFE.

    Sorry, but I must disagree with you. I know I've seen a clip of Chico on
    the TV version of YOU BET YOUR LIFE. Chico was playing for a charity, and I
    suspect that it was rigged for him to win. Or else the questions were
    selected as ones he would be sure to know the answer to. IIRC, this clip
    was part of a TV special on the Marx Bros. It may not have been a part of
    the actual show, but it was filmed on the same set with what appears to be
    a regular audience. I'll have to check my video tape [removed]
    --
    Steve Salaba

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:14:08 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Tipplers on OTR

    Speaking of drunks portrayed on radio, Kermyt notes,

>     Several examples come to mind immediately, the foremost being Phil
>     Harris's legendary binges. (And by extension, Frank Remley's.)

    Actually, those were offstage.  Phil was portrayed as a booze-lover, not
    a boozer.

>     Perhaps the most inebriate of them all was Jocko Madigan, Pat Novak's
>     occasional source of help and information.

    Who was portrayed as semisober.  He was what we would now called Patsy's
    gopher, and appeared on virtually every show I heard.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:14:23 -0500
    From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  "Betty Crocker"

    I have a request.  Some of our friends are gathering for a "Sweetheart
    Dessert"  and I would love to have "Betty Crocker's"   OTR voice, which I
    must have heard hundreds of times when I was a kid.  If you can point me
    toward a show, I can probably find it easily.  Also, could someone tell me
    which radio artist  performed her voice most frequently. Any info on her
    would be appreciated.

    As Paddy O'Cinnamon would say, "I am much obliged to you."

    Dennis Crow

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:21:57 -0500
    From: Ken Dahl <kdahl@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Seattle Convention

    The convention will be held from 6/24 to 6/27.  For total information go to
    [removed] then click on the large mike to the right of that
    page.

    Regards,
    Ken Dahl

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    Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 20:22:08 -0500
    From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Help with Dates

    Can anyone out there date the following two programs that aired last night
    on WRVO?

    Our Miss Brooks - The Convict, 1953
    Phil Harris/Alice Faye Show - 1951 - Day At Santa Anita

    Let me know,

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

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    Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 01:00:33 -0500
    From: BH <radiobill@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RE: Laughing Record

    The postings on the laughing record reminded me of an act I saw on
    television many years ago. A fellow comes out on an empty stage carrying
    a chair. He places the chair in the middle of the stage and
    [removed]'t say a word. After a few seconds he [removed]
    some more then a small laugh. A few more small laughs and then it builds
    over time to huge bellyrolling laughter. This goes on for several
    minutes and before long the entire audience is rolling in the asiles as
    well as those of us watching. He tapers off the laughter, pickes up the
    chair and walks off the stage, never said a word. So laughter is truly
    catching.

    Bill H.

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    Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 11:46:32 -0500
    From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Judy Canova Show

          Dan H's complete posting was:

>     Mark sez:
>     Compared with TV and movies, radio is infinitely tolerant of the physical
>     person and vastly less forgiving of a dull intellect.

>     I so want to believe this.  Then I think of the Judy Canova [removed]

          Dan's comment about the Judy Canova Show may or may not have been
    serious
    but anyway I'd like to say:

          I listened to the show during the first seven years or so of its
    ten-year run and I found the show *funny*.  A half-century later, on
    listening to several broadcast recordings of the show, I still find it funny
    -- especially its Cactus-Junction-Maw-Paw skits!  (Not a bad reaction to
    have to a comedy show.)  I think that took intelligent performances and at
    least some intelligent writing.

          By the way, I think Judy was a very talented comedian and singer.

      -- Phil C.

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    Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 14:01:01 -0500
    From: "RBB" <oldradio@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  MTR in LA

    Just received the Museum of Radio-TV email, February newsletter from LA.
    They list a "Re-Creating Radio" workshop for children (age 9-14) on Saturday
    mornings to produce an old-time radio drama using scripts, sound effects and
    music.

    The workshop takes participants through the many stages of radio production,
    including casting, microphone and sfx training and a "cue" rehearsal, before
    putting on a "live" broadcast.  The full schedule is at:

    [removed]

    What a wonderful experience for kids!  Just like it used to be, Saturday
    mornings on the radio!  It truly uses the imagination in the "theater of
    their minds"  and, it keeps OTR viable at MTR in LA.  I presume that it is
    also the same at MTR in NYC, they usually have similar newsletters.  If so,
    kudos to NYC, too!!  Now, let's all board The (new) White Rabbit Bus for an
    adventure!!

    Say, wouldn't it be great to have a whole new generation of creative people
    producing Saturday morning radio shows syndicated on stations other than
    "Disney Radio"?  Think it would sell?

    Remember, gang, whatever is old is new again!!

    =Russ Butler  oldradio@[removed]

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