Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #471
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 12/6/2002 11:26 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 471
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: It's That Time Again!             [ Ga6string@[removed] ]
      Query for Aussies                     [ "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed]; ]
      Jean Rouverol                         [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      It's a Wonderful Life radio recreati  [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
      "Lone Ranger" music                   [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
      Re: Baloney                           [ "J. Pope" <jpope101@[removed] ]
      NEMO defined                          [ Art Chimes <achimes@[removed]; ]
      Griff Barnett                         [ "Tom van der Voort" <evan@[removed] ]
      Re: FTP sites                         [ Bob Scherago <rscherago@[removed]; ]
      Re: Doctor Who Audios                 [ "Walter Dunlop" <wd011a8458@blueyon ]
      Radio coverage of Bowl games          [ "rcg" <revrcg@[removed]; ]
      Re: More CBS Pacific Notes            [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Recent OTR books                      [ "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@comc ]

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:22:34 -0500
    From: Ga6string@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: It's That Time Again!
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    As one of the contributors to "It's That Time Again! The New Stories of
    Old-Time Radio," the book Ben Ohmart mentioned, I'd like to say that I've
    really enjoyed reading the contributions from ALL the writers. It's
    impressive, sometimes downright spooky, how well most of the contributors
    capture the tone/voice of the programs in question. It's very easy, in most
    cases, to "hear" the stars of these programs performing these stories. I've
    enjoyed it!
    Thanks,
    Bryan Powell

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:22:47 -0500
    From: "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Query for Aussies

    I am the proud possessor of a recording by one Ward Hoey entitled "Here's
    Hooey," of 1930s vintage.  This monologue is the Australian version of Jones
    & Hare's "Twisting the Dial", a comic olio of 1930ish radio commercials,
    popular programs, etc.  The New Zealand gentleman who sent it to me said he
    could recall the originals of many of the items Hoey refers to from his
    childhood.  (I have a tape copy, not the original 78)  What I'd like to know
    is a more precise date for the recording, who Ward Hoey was and what else he
    may have recorded, and any other information (such as record label) I can
    get.

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:23:16 -0500
    From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jean Rouverol
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     Wherein Jim Widner wrote to Irene Heinstein:

>     Irene, you might want to look out for Jean Reverol's book about her
>     experience with the blacklist. She was a regular on "One Man's Family"
>     as well as a screenwriter along with her husband, Hugo Butler.

    For my encounter with Jean Rouverol click onto:

    [removed]

    CAB

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    conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
       From the Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms
         Encino, California.

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:23:23 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

>     >From Those Were The Days --

    1923 - The first presidential address to be carried on radio was
    broadcast from Washington, DC. President Calvin Coolidge addressed a
    joint session of the [removed] Congress.

    Birthday:

    1900 - Agnes (Robertson) Moorehead, d. Apr 30, 1974

      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:29:02 -0500
    From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  It's a Wonderful Life radio recreation

    For anyone living in or travelling to the Detroit
    area, Second City Detroit will be performing a live
    radio re-creation (with 1940s era commercials) of
    "It's a Wonderful Life" over the next three weekends.
    The performances will take place at 2 [removed] Saturday
    and Sunday and tickets range from $9 to $14. The
    number to call for info is 313-965-2222.

    I have no connection with Second City. I just read the
    announcement in the paper and wanted to pass the info
    along.

    Rick

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:29:32 -0500
    From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Lone Ranger" music

    Hello.  This is just a notice for your information since I know some of you
    might be interested.  This month, [removed] is having a special on
    CDs of the musical themes and bridges used in "The Lone Ranger."  Terry
    only uses audio CD and no mp3.  I am not associated with him, but I have
    only had outstanding service and recommend him highly.  To look at this
    month's special, go to:

    [removed]

    Again, this is just informational, I am only a happy customer.

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:29:39 -0500
    From: "J. Pope" <jpope101@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Baloney

        Hurrah for Jughead!! It's about time someone defended Collyer and the
    others!  "Dark side"?  Gimme a break.

    You go, dude =)

    Jennifer

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:04:43 -0500
    From: Art Chimes <achimes@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  NEMO defined

    Hi all,

    Ed Howell wrote (issue 469):
            "A remote broadcast was called
            a Nemo. I don't know why."

    "NEMO" is an acronym meaning "Not Emanating from Main
    Origination." It's a rather odd and awkward term, and a bit
    obscure, too. I don't know anything about its origins, and I
    would be interested to hear from anyone here who does. It was
    also used for TV remotes, and I know it was in common use (at
    least at NBC) well into the 60s.

    Regards
    Art
    --
    Art Chimes
    achimes@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:05:02 -0500
    From: "Tom van der Voort" <evan@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Griff Barnett

         Last Tuesday I saw the film "Apartment for Peggy" starring Jeanne Crain
    and William Holden at the Library of Congress.  As this delightful movie
    unspooled, I heard a very familiar voice.  It was Griff Barnett who played
    the part of Dr. Philip Conway.
        "Where have I heard that voice?" I asked myself, and then the light
    dawned.  That's the voice of the Rexall family druggist on the 'Phil
    Harris-Alice Faye Show'!
         I think I'm right, but not positive.  Can anyone confirm?
      Tom van der Voort

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:24:19 -0500
    From: Bob Scherago <rscherago@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: FTP sites
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    "Camrys" wrote to ask where he could find FTP sites
    to download shows.

    There are many free or shareware sites for uploading
    or downloading files. Some include the following:

    ZILLA FTP

    [removed] FTP2
    [removed] ONE THAT I'VE USED
    SUCCESSFULLY, WS_[removed]
    Try using Lukol or Google to search the web for others.

    --

    Bob [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 11:33:31 -0500
    From: "Walter Dunlop" <wd011a8458@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Doctor Who Audios
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    Hi!

    this is my first posting to the digest - hope I can help out with Irene's
    enquiry about Doctor Who audios.

    while not strictly radio per se, high-quality audio recordings of the
    soundtracks to all of the television episodes which were destroyed by the BBC
    do exist. I have a full set of these - and am currently hard at work
    converting them for posterity's sake into mp3 format.

    many of these are available through the BBC's own label - they feature linking
    narration for the hard-to-follow visual bits by one of the performers who
    originally appeared in the story. No Maureen O'Brien, sadly!

    as for other audio, several Doctor Who radio plays were recorded over the
    years. These include "Expedition Earth - The Time Machine", which featured Tom
    Baker and Elisabeth Sladen. It was part of a school's programming strand, and
    appeared in 1976.

    Colin Baker and Nicola Bryant recorded a play called "Slipback" in 1985, and
    the much missed Jon Pertwee reunited with his team of Nicholas Courtney and
    Elisabeth Sladen to record "The Paradise of Death" and "The Ghosts of N-Space"
    in 1993.

    coincidentally,. BBC Radio 7 which launches this weekend will be broadcasting
    these as part of their "7th Dimension" strand of programming. The channel
    should be available through their own website, so you might wish to try
    there!

    apart from that, there is a committed fanbase dedicated to producing their own
    audio dramas. Many of the people behind Big Finish produced their own set of
    audios in the 1980's - many of these are superb, and you can quite see why
    they landed the license to carry the series forward.

    the other main source of Doctor Who audio, although somewhat peripheral, is a
    company called BBV. Again, they have a strong web presence - they produce many
    audio plays which although not actually Doctor Who, do feature performers,
    characters and creations from the series (although not the Doctor himself)!

    hope that helps, folks!

    walt

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:13:02 -0500
    From: "rcg" <revrcg@[removed];
    To: "Otr Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Radio coverage of Bowl games

    In the 1940's there were, blessedly, only four bowl games and they were all
    played on New Years Day. The Cotton, Sugar, and Orange Bowls all started at
    the same time (2 PM ET) and were on the following radio networks:
    Cotton: Mutual,   Sugar: ABC,   Orange: CBS. These three games were all
    partially sponsored by Gilette.

    At 5 PM ET NBC carried the Rose Bowl. NBC actually tried to take the high
    ground and, for a few years, ran the game without any sponsorship
    (sustaining). Unfortunately, this resulted in some NBC affils not carrying
    the game. I grew up in Western Pennsylvania and KDKA radio GM Joe Baudino
    refused to carry the game saying that it had "no local interest". I remember
    having to frantically tune up and down the dial to try and find an out of
    town NBC station. The best I could do was WTAM in Cleveland, which was a
    powerful station but, like all distant stations, extremely hard to hear
    during daytime hours. I was not a big fan of Joe Baudino or of Westinghouse
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    Starting with the 1947 game, CBS outbid NBC and took the Rose Bowl from
    them. They also retained the Orange Bowl, giving them two games to broadcast
    and leaving none for NBC. However, the Gator Bowl had played it's first game
    in 1946 and NBC quickly grabbed it starting in 1947. In that year NBC also
    broadcast one of the least remembered bowl games in history, the Harbor
    Bowl, played in San Diego. The Harbor Bowl played it's first game in 1947
    and only lasted for three years. NBC eventually grabbed the Cotton Bowl from
    Mutual, at which time Mutual settled for the Gator Bowl.

    By the 1950's TV had entered the picture and there were a few back and forth
    changes as to which radio network carried which game(s).

    The 1960's saw such changes as the Cotton Bowl going to CBS and NBC taking
    the Sugar Bowl.

    In the late 70's and early 80's NBC Radio and TV carried the Fiesta Bowl (1
    PM ET), Rose Bowl (4:30 PM ET) and Orange Bowl (8 PM ET). For two years I
    was the in-studio host for the radio coverage, doing half time and between g
    ame segments. Those were some rather long days as I had to be at 30 Rock by
    10 AM and didn't leave until almost 2 AM the following morning.

    Starting in the late 80's things really got topsy-turvy with numerous
    changes in network bowl coverage. Mutual got back into the act by signing
    long term contracts with several of the less prominent bowls as well as the
    Sugar Bowl.

    I'm not certain but I think that ESPN Radio now carries all Bowl games that
    are part of the BCS (Rose, Fiesta, & Orange). I don't know who carries the
    rest of the games as my days of glueing my ear to a radio to try and hear as
    many games as possible are a thing of the past.

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:13:15 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: More CBS Pacific Notes

    On 12/6/02 10:41 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     Was the 1929 program I spoke of the first national broadcast to originate at
>     KFWB?  I saw a book on the Warner Brothers with a photo taken at KFWB in
>     1932 that claimed a broadcast that year was the first coast-to-coast radio
>     show from the KFWB studio.

    The 1929 would be the earliest I know of, but I wouldn't state so
    positively. There's a great deal from this era that's never been properly
    documented, and it's possible there might have been something in 1928:
    bear in mind that the contract between CBS and Vitaphone was entered into
    in the summer of 1928.

>     So, if  I have this straight, KPLA was the official CBS Los Angeles
>     affiliate before CBS owner William Paley negotiated a deal for KHJ and the
>     Don Lee Network to air CBS programming in [removed] and the three Pacific Coast
>     states in the summer of 1929.

    KPLA wasn't directly affiliated with CBS -- prior to 1937, in fact, CBS
    had no direct affliations with *any* stations on the Pacific coast: the
    affiliations were always thru a third party. In the case of KPLA, the
    relationship was with Seattle-ABC, not the station itself, and this was
    not a full-time affiliation. Rather, the Seattle-ABC stations were simply
    available on an as-needed basis to carry CBS programs requiring national
    distribution. The rest of the time they were occupied with their own
    programming. Seattle-ABC controlled the network lines leased from AT&T
    connecting its member stations, and had a leased line connecting Salt
    Lake City and Denver, which is the point where CBS connected into the
    circuit. West of Denver, CBS controlled nothing during this period. So
    you could call KPLA an "outlet" for certain CBS programs -- but
    "affiliate" implies a contractural relationship that did not exist.

    When Seattle-ABC collapsed in 1929, CBS took over the lease on the Salt
    Lake City-to-Denver line, but the connection into Salt Lake City was
    controlled by the Don Lee Network, and that was the entity with which CBS
    was affiliated. There was no direct affiliate relationship between CBS
    and any of the individual Don Lee stations -- the affiliation was between
    the Don Lee Network as a *group* of stations and CBS. The only contracts
    the stations themselves had was with Don Lee. This relationship continued
    until the end of 1936.

    During 1935-36, tensions built between CBS-New York and Thomas S. Lee,
    who took over the Don Lee business interests when his father died in
    1934. CBS was far less willing to defer to Tommy Lee on matters of
    program clearance than they were with his father -- but the younger Lee
    insisted on an increasing degree of programming autonomy. The
    relationship deteriorated to the point where CBS purchased KNX in 1936 to
    insure that the network would have a Los Angeles outlet when the
    affiliation with Don Lee finally fell apart. It was only after the end of
    the Don Lee affiliation that CBS began to directly affiliate with west
    coast stations, forming its own CBS Pacific Network.

>     Also, why in 1929 and 1930 did the Paul Whiteman Old Gold Hour broadcast
>     many times from the studios of KMTR radio in Hollywood instead of at the KHJ
>     studios, if KHJ was the CBS station in Los Angeles then?  Maybe KHJ/Don Lee
>     hadn't enlarged or modernized his 7th and Bixel studios yet, and KMTR had
>     better facilities for such a live broadcast??  I believe Whiteman was in
>     Hollywood to make a movie.

    My guess would be simply that the KMTR studios were more convenient for
    the Whiteman organization than driving down to KHJ for the broadcast. As
    you say, Whiteman was in Hollywood to film "The King of Jazz" at
    Universal, and the process of making this picture was an unusually
    grueling ordeal for the band. (It was shot in two-color Technicolor,
    which required viciously-hot lighting, and performers occasionally passed
    out from heat exhaustion, or had their hair begin to smolder.) As
    mentioned before, sponsors had a great deal of pull in determining how
    and where their broadcasts would be staged -- and if Whiteman told Old
    Gold he didn't feel like hauling himself and his tired sweaty men
    downtown after a full day on the set then chances are the Old Gold agency
    would tell CBS "Here's what we're going to do. See that the arrangements
    are made."

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 12:22:13 -0500
    From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Recent OTR books

    I agree with Lawrence Albert with regards to his assessment on Jim Cox's
    Radio Crime Fighters--a sensational read, and a tome that belongs in any OTR
    buff's library.  (Though the proofreader who let the McCarthy faux pas slip
    through needs to go back to the proofreading school; it stands out, as Fred
    Allen would say, "like a pickle in a charlotte russe.")  I particularly
    enjoyed Jim's assessment of some of the programs he writes about in the
    book.

    Huzzahs should also go out to Ben Ohmart for It's That Time Again--The New
    Stories of Old-Time Radio.  I just finished reading it last night (I have a
    night job that allows me the perk of reading a good book when things are
    slow) and while my favorite stories were those adaptations of my personal
    all-time OTR faves ([removed] Our Miss Brooks, Lum & Abner) I'd have to say
    everyone of them was a complete gem.  If Ben decides to have another
    go-around with a second volume you can be sure I'll be in line to grab a
    copy.

    I also lucked out last week and found a nice, almost new copy of Harrison
    Summers' A Thirty-Year History of Programs Carried on National Radio
    Networks in the United States, 1926-1956 for thirty-five simolians.  I first
    discovered this book in the college library and it was such a useful
    reference tool that I often contemplated delving into a life of crime and
    snatching it away from its current home--fortunately, I remembered that the
    weed of crime bears bitter fruit, and so I withstood temptation.  I guess
    all things come to those who wait.

    Ivan

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