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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2007 : Issue 325
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Gunsmoke Jokes                        [ "Malibob@[removed]" <Malibob@ea ]
  Re: Gildersleeve movies               [ "Carl J. Chimi" <cchimi@[removed]; ]
  Cinnamon Bear start date?             [ "Danica L. Stein" <furrygirl@comcas ]
  11-17 births/deaths                   [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  Gunsmoke Thank you                    [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
  This week in radio history 18-24 Nov  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Re: Gildersleeve movies               [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Cereal Sponsors                       [ jack and cathy french <OTRpiano@ver ]

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:48:15 -0500
From: "Malibob@[removed]" <Malibob@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Gunsmoke Jokes

Contributor Jim Erskine asks about practical jokes on Gunsmoke.  When I
started my producing career at CBS in the late 1960s I was lucky enough to
work with Ray Kemper and Tom Hanley.  As you may know, Ray and Tom not only
designed the sound patterns for many CBS radio shows including Gunsmoke but
also wrote a few.

At one time or another, during our working relationship, both Ray and Tom
gifted me with quarter inch audio tape copies of some of their shows. Among
these were a few reels of Gunsmoke out takes and goofs.  The Gunsmoke cast
and crew were a fun-loving bunch and took great liberties with script,
sound effects and music during their dress rehearsals. Most notably among
those (and widely circulated on the internet) is the rehearsal for an
episode entitled "The New Hotel."

But the audio practical joke Mr. Erskine refers to wasn't an actual episode
or strictly a practical joke played by Bill Conrad.  It was part of a reel
of goofs and out takes assembled and cut together (with a razor blade) most
likely by Kemper, Hanley and/or Bill James (another Gunsmoke sound pattern
creator).  The complete reel also features promo out takes between Conrad
and George Walsh and repartee between the cast and other crew members
including script supervisor, Fran Gafney and composer/conductor Rex Khoury.

Sadly, my copies of these priceless tapes were destroyed in a Malibu fire
back on the 1980s along with the rest of my radio collection. But, the
memory of them and my friendship with Kemper and Hanley is something I
continue to hold dear.

Perhaps other contributors can fill in more of the blanks.

Bob Curti

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Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:51:43 -0500
From: "Carl J. Chimi" <cchimi@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Gildersleeve movies

keep in mind that only Hal Peary, Lillian Randolph and Richard LeGrande
reprise their radio roles

Actually, in one of them, Earl Ross appears as Judge Hooker.  But it's a
VERY small appearance and he might not even speak.  I can't remember now
which of the movies it is, but of the four I'm pretty sure it's not the
first two.

I agree with your assessment of these movies.  They are worth viewing (I'll
be recording them for pristine copies), but they bear only a passing
resemblance to the radio show.

One of the things I think is amazing is that Hal Peary, almost 40 years
before DeNiro was acclaimed for doing the same thing, put on a LOT of weight
to play his role as Gildersleeve.  He actually looks unhealthy with that
weight, and unhappy about it.  But he's a decent actor.

Anyway - the radio programs rule.  I'm on my second time through the
complete set (as complete as I can make it - 520 or so of them) and it is as
good the second time as the first time.  Just a charming program.

While I'm at it, I'd like to ask a question.  When Chuck Schaden ran When
Radio Was, he ran an Easter episode of Gildersleeve that he said first ran
on April 16, 1957.  It's definitely a Waterman episode.  That date would
make it the latest of the original run of episodes that I've ever seen.
Unlike all the other episodes I have from around that era of the show, some
of which are only fragments, this one is well-recorded, and it's a full
half-hour episode.  Does anyone know the provenance of this episode?  Is Mr.
Schaden's date for it correct?  Is there some source for dating Gildersleeve
episodes?

Prof

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:33:47 -0500
From: "Danica L. Stein" <furrygirl@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cinnamon Bear start date?

I have a question for Cinnamon Bear expert Dennis Crow!

Isn't the series supposed to end on Christmas Eve? [removed], wouldn't you
always play Episode 1 on November 29, Episode 2 on November 30, etc.;
regardless of when Thanksgiving falls?

I want to get it right, in honor of Paddy's 70th anniversary! Thank you!

Danica

Danica L. Stein
Poultney, VT
furrygirl@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:33:58 -0500
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  11-17 births/deaths

November 17th deaths

11-17-1878 - Grace Abbott - d. 7-19-1939
talks for mothers: "Your Child"
11-17-1897 - Frank Fay - San Francisco, CA - d. 9-25-1961
actor: "Jack Oakie's College"; "Rudy Vallee Show"
11-17-1898 - "Quin" Ryan - d. 10-xx-1978
announcer, actor: "Quin Ryan Reports"; "Uncle Quin"; "Uncle Quin's
Scalawags"
11-17-1899 - Toscha Seidel - Odessa, Ukraine - d. 11-15-1962
violin virtuoso: Staff musician for CBS
11-17-1905 - Josef Marais - Sir Lowey's Pass, South Africa - d.
4-26-1978
singer: "African Trek/Sundown on the Veld"; "Meredith Willson Show"
11-17-1905 - Mischa Auer - St. Petersburg, Russia - d. 3-5-1967
actor: "Mischa the Magnificent"
11-17-1907 - L. Sprague de Camp - NYC - d. 11-6-2000
science fiction writer: "X-Minus One"; "Future Tense"
11-17-1911 - Jack Lescoulie - Sacramento, CA - d. 7-22-1987
announcer, emcee: "Grouch Club"; "Meet the Champions"
11-17-1916 - Bill Rogers - Thompsonville, MI
commentator, announcer: "Bill Rogers and the News"; "Hoot'nanny"
11-17-1916 - Frank Maxwell - The Bronx, NY - d. 8-5-2004
actor: Uthas P. Garvey "Colonel Humphrey Slack"
11-17-1917 - Byron Keith - Illinois - d. 1-19-1996
Started his career in radio in Boise, Idaho in the 1930s
11-17-1918 - Paul Crabtree - Pulaski, VA - d. 3-9-1979
actor: David Naughton "Claudia and David"
11-17-1922 - Jack Farren - NYC - d. 6-25-1997
announcer: "Under Arrest"
11-17-1925 - Rock Hudson - Winnetka, IL - d. 10-2-1985
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
11-17-1931 - Wayne J. Andre - d. 8-26-2003
trombonist: Benny Goodman Orchestra; Woody Herman Orchestra
11-17-1935 - Audrey (Grace) Thomas - Binghamton, NY
writer: "Once Your Submarine Cable is Gone"
11-17-1937 - Peter Cook - Devonshire, England - d. 1-9-1995
satirist, writer, comedian: "Why Bother"

November 17th deaths

01-30-1928 - Ruth Brown - Portsmouth, VA - d. 11-17-2006
singer: "Newport Jazz Festival"
02-01-1894 - James P. Johnson - New Brunswick, NJ - d. 11-17-1955
pianist: "Eddie Condon's Jazz Concerts"; "This is Jazz"
04-14-1916 - Emerson Buckley - NYC - d. 11-17-1989
conductor: "Two Thousand Plus"; "Murder By Experts"
06-01-1887 - Clive Brook - London, England - d. 11-17-1974
actor: Sherlock Holmes "Sherlock Holmes"
06-15-1861 - Ernestine Schumann-Heink - Prague, Czechoslovkia - d.
11-17-1936
singer: "Enna Jettick Melodies"; "Hoover Sentinels Serenade"
06-19-1909 - Maurice Zimm - Waterloo, IA - d. 11-17-2005
writer: "The Man Who Sang"
06-19-1912 - Jerry Jerome - Brooklyn, NY - d. 11-17-2001
musician: "Eileen Barton Show"; "Mirth and Madness"
07-24-1916 - Bob Eberly - Mechanicsville, NY - d. 11-17-1981
singer: (Jimmy Dorsey Band)
08-19-1903 - Claude Dauphin - Corbeil, France - d. 11-17-1978
actor: "As Easy as [removed]"
09-15-1904 - Sheilah Graham - Leeds, England - d. 11-17-1988
gossip commentator: "Heinz Magazine of the Air"; "Sheilah Graham"
10-05-1903 - Jimmy Ritz - Newark, NJ - d. 11-17-1985
comedian: (The Ritz Brothers) "Hollywood Hotel"
11-22-1895 - Alexander Laszlo - Budapest, Hungary - d. 11-17-1970
orchestra leader: "This Is Your Life"
11-24-1900 - Ireene Wicker - Quincy, IL - d. 11-17-1987
actor: (The Singing Lady) Sylvia Bertram "Road of Life"; Eileen Moran
"Today's Children"
11-26-1913 - Bill Baldwin - Pueblo, CO - d. 11-17-1982
announcer: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"; "Mario Lanza Show"
12-18-1888 - Gladys Cooper - Lewisham, England - d. 11-17-1971
actor: "Fleischmann's Yeast Hour"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:34:16 -0500
From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Gunsmoke Thank you

"Fall Semester" Thank you Stewart Wright and Karen Lerner helping with
Gunsmoke  episode dated May 30, 1953.
I have looked in logs and would have never realized  that a episode
about cold brand and foreman stealing from his boss would be called
"Fall Semester" where did the get these titles?  Just found another
Gunsmoke that I didn't have a name for. It  is titled
"DODGE PODGE" 6/9/57,  a cattle rancher hates a sheep rancher and cattle
man feels the sheep man is a bad influencing his son so he go to kill
the sheep man but killed his son by [removed] did it the mane "DODGE
PODGE" ???

Thank you for your help Karen & Stewart.

Frank McGurn

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:11:25 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  This week in radio history 18-24 Nov

  From Those Were The Days --

11/18

1307 - The story of William Tell shooting the apple off of his young
son's noggin is said to have taken place on this day.

(If it hadn't been for Tell there would have been no opera, if there had
been no opera there would have been no overture, if there had been no
overture the Lone Ranger wouldn't have had the theme music we know.
That's a joke son, I say that's a joke).

11/20

1929 - The first broadcast of The Rise of the Goldbergs, with Gertrude
Berg as Molly, was heard on the NBC Blue network. Later, the title would
be shortened to The Goldbergs. Mrs. Berg, incidentally, wrote the first
scripts for the 15-minute program and starred in the show -- for $75 a
week. ($810 in 2005 dollars). The program continued until 1945 (it
returned for one season in 1949-1950). Gertrude Berg entertained
audiences with New York style, motherly phrases like, "Button up your
neck. It's cold outside."

11/21

1938 - WBOE in Cleveland, OH became the first school-operated radio
station (owned by a municipality) to receive a license from the FCC.
WBOE went on the air as a 500-watt AM station and later became an FM
station.

1938 - The first broadcast of Central City was heard. It was an
adventure-mystery show set at the newspaper in, you guessed it, Central
City. Elspeth Eric played the part of crime reporter Emily Olson; and
Van Heflin was crime reporter Bob Shellenberger (later, the part was
played by Myron McCormick). Central City aired until 1941.

1944 - "Happy trails to you, until we meet [removed]" The Roy Rogers
Show was first heard on the Mutual Broadcasting System. Singing along
with Roy (The King of the Cowboys'), were the Whippoorwills and The Sons
of the Pioneers.

11/22

1906 - Delegates attending the Berlin Radiotelegraphic Conference in
Germany voted to use SOS (...[removed]) as the letters for the new
international signal. The international use of "SOS" was ratified in
1908. Its meaning? No, not "Save Our Ship" or "Save Our Souls" as many
believe. Its only meaning was as a distress signal, quick to transmit by
Morse code and not easily misread. It is not an acronym. Incidentally,
how did SOS pads come to use the same initials? They're named after a
patented process, Soap on Steel.

11/23

1929 - Shirley Booth and Ed Gardner were married on this day.

1958 - One of the last drama programs on radio debuted. It was unusual
in that it followed the TV show of the same name. Have Gun Will Travel
was broadcast on CBS and starred John Dehner as Paladin.

11/24

1937 - Music from the Raymor Ballroom in Boston, Massachusetts was
beamed coast to coast on NBC. The special guests during this broadcast
were Glenn Miller and his orchestra.

Joe

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:12:34 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Gildersleeve movies

   Jan Bach wrote --

After seeing these films I much prefer to follow the adventures of
Gildersleeve as they were meant to be followed, by sound only over the
radio. I'll be interested in other OTRers reactions to these films once
they have seen them!

   I've generally been disappointed in otr shows on film, in that most
of the radio characters aren't featured.  Maybe they don't look in real
life as we picture them on radio.  With the Gildy movies I can
understand not having Walter Tetley as Leroy.  The kid who plays him
looks more like the mental image of Leroy.  Peavy looks pretty much the
way he sounds.  And I was glad they had Lillian Randolph playing Birdie,
she looks the way she's imagined.
   Sometimes the radio actors do pop up, but not as their character,
such as Tetley as a bellboy in Gildersleeve on Broadway.  But most often
one needs to seek out the characters.  There's a scene in one film,
forget which one, where Earle Ross is in a minor role in a club room
scene of some sort, with one or two lines and not playing Hooker, but
some nameless man.  I spend time reading [removed] for when a show actor
pops up.
   But it would be nice to have some of the characters show up, such as
the Old Timer and others from FM&M in their films, even if the actor of
the role isn't featured.  Harlow Wilcox was in one, but as a passerby
talking to someone in their front yard.
   But so many of the shows on film simply drop the characters we all
know from the shows.
   Joe

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Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:13:35 -0500
From: jack and cathy french <OTRpiano@[removed];
To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Cereal Sponsors

In business news today, RalCorp Holdings, which used to be Ralston-
Purina until they achieved conglomerate status, just acquired Post
Cereals from Kraft Foods. This will include Grape Nuts and Shredded
Wheat, the latter Krafts had bought from Nabisco.

Ah, for the good ol' days when we really knew a cereal chiefly by the
kids' program it sponsored. Ralston (Tom Mix), Wheaties (Jack
Armstrong), Nabisco Shredded Wheat (Straight Arrow), Kellogg's Pep
(Superman), Cheerioats and Kix (The Lone Ranger), Post Toasties
(House of Mystery), Hop Harrigan (Grape Nuts Flakes) etc.

The rare changes to the cereal names were even memorable. I still
recall the day on "House of Mystery" (the not-to-scary mystery
program for kiddies) when the sponsor changed its cereal name from
"Post's Corn Toasties" to "Post Toasties." They even had the kid
actors sing this new commercial (to the tune of "Oh My Darling,
Clementine" to hightlight the switch in product name.

"Post's  Corn Toasties,
Post's Corn Toasties:
We are gonna change your name.
But your old familiar flavor
Will still remain the same."

No, I don't have an audio copy of this show; I'm just tapping the ol'
memory bank.

Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL
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