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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 451


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 New Adventures of Nero Wolfe log
	 Teeny
	 Fibber McGee & Molly & the "little twerp"
	 Who was Teeny? And other pertinent information
	 old time radio on radio, networks, etc.
	 Re: the "little twerp"
	 Re: OTR radio network
	 ADMINISTRIVIA: WWW page update
	 Dennis & Rochester
	 Re: Teeny, Essential OTR
	 Re: Essential Programs
	 Fibber McGee and Molly (Tenny)
	 Re: Fibber and Molly
	 The "Little Twerp" on Fibber McGee and Mollie
	
	 TEENY!

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 16:12:15 -0500 (EST)
From: passage@[removed] (Frank Passage)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: New Adventures of Nero Wolfe log
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

        T H E   N E W   A D V E N T U R E S   O F   N E R O   W O L F E
        -----   -----   -------------------   ---   -------   ---------
 
                                  1950 - 1951
 
 
     First Show: 12-20-50                             Last Show: 04-??-51
     Number Shows:                                Audition Show: none known
 
 
     Show Description:
 
     THE NEW ADVENTURES OF NERO WOLFE made its appearence on Fridays on NBC
     in 1950 and ran to April, 1951.  Previousely, THE AMAZING NERO WOLF
     had aired on Mutual in the 1940's.
 
     The character of Nero Wolf came from a series of novels by Rex Stout
     and was known as the gargantuan gormet, the fat genius whose eye for
     detail has solved many a perfect murder.  Wolf rated the knife and
     fork as the greatest tools ever invented by man.  Archie Goodwin,
     Wolf's male secretary, helped proded him into taking cases whenever
     the bank balance got a little low.
 
     Sidney Greenstreet played Wolf in this series.  Archie was played by
     Lawrence Dobkin.
 
 
     List Comments:
 
     Only the RHAC catalog listed an episode number for the first show.
     The date of the last show and actual number of shows is unknown. Dates
     for which no shows were found have "?????" in the title field.  A show
     may not have been broadcast on this date.
 
 
     List:
 
         Date      Num  Title                                 Src Key
         --------  ---  ------------------------------------  ---------
         10-20-50    1  Stamped For Murder                    1234
         10-27-50       The Case Of The Worn Cop              1 34
         11-03-50       The Case Of The Dear Dead Lady        1234
         11-10-50       ?????
         11-17-50       The Case Of The Careless Cleaner      1234
         11-24-50       The Case Of The Beautiful Archer      1     34
         12-01-50       The Case Of The Brave Rabbit          1 34
         12-08-50       The Case Of The Impolite Corpse       12345
         12-15-50       The Girl Who Cried Wolfe              12345
         12-22-50       The Case Of The Slaughtered Santas    12345
         12-29-50       The Case Of The Bashful Body          12345
         01-05-50       The Case Of The Deadly Sell Out       12345
         01-12-50       The Case Of The Killer Cards          12345
         01-19-50       The Case Of The Calculated Risk       1234
         01-26-50       The Case Of The Phantom Fingers       12345
         02-02-50       The Case Of The Vanishing Shells      1234
         02-09-50       ?????
         02-16-50       The Case Of The Party Of Death        12345
         02-23-50       The Case Of The The Malevolent Medic  12345
         03-02-50       The Case Of The Hasty Will            12345
         03-09-50       The Case Of The Disappearing Diamond  1 345
         03-16-50       The Case Of The Midnight Ride         12345
         03-23-51       The Case Of The Final Page            12345
         03-30-51       The Case Of The Tell Tale Ribbon      1234
         04-06-51       The Case Of The Shot In The Dark      12345
         04-13-51       ?????
         04-20-51       The Case Of The Lost Heir             12 45
         04-27-51       The Case Of The Room 304              1 345
 
 
     Information Sources:
 
     The information above was obtained from the following OTR vendor
     and club catalogs.  Contact them directly for more information.
 
         Key  Source
         ---  ------------------------------------------------------------
          1   Edward J. Carr, 216 Shaner Street, Boyertown, PA 19512
          2   Ken Mills, Nostalgia Recordings, 907 Maple Ave., Ridgefield,
              NJ 07657
          3   Steve Kelez, Radio Showcase, [removed] Box 4357, Santa Rosa, CA
              95402
          4   Radio Historical Association of Colorado, [removed] Box 1908,
              Englewood, CO 80150
          5   Great American Radio, PO Box 504 Genesee, MI 48437
 
     Although I have had favorable dealings with some of the above, to be
     fair to all, this is not an endorsement of them.  I receive nothing
     by mentioning them.
 
 
     Last Update: 12-14-95
 
 
     Although I retain copyright, this log may be freely copied provided
     that the text is unchanged.  Please share it with fellow OTR lovers.
 
     I would greatly appreciate any error corrections or additional
     information. Please send them to: Frank Passage, 109 Elmwood Road,
     Verona, NJ 07044 or via e-mail to passage@[removed]
 
 
 
 
 

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:53:52 -0600
From: bensmanm@[removed] (Marvin R. Bensman)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Teeny
Message-id: <v01530502acf6682487d3@[[removed]]>

Marion Jordan, who played "Fibber's" wife, and in reality was his wife
doubled the voice of Teeny. "What cha-doin' Mister, Huh? What cha-doin'?

She was as good or better than Baby Snooks, played by Fanny Brice.

Both Marion and Jim were actors who early learned to double or triple their
roles on radio by taking on different voices. They got a bigger cast on
their shows and didn't have to pay anyone to do them. This was rather
common practice among those who had the talent.

One of my favorite shows; Fibber McGee & Molly. "I'll have to clean out
that closet one of these days."

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*Professor Marvin R. Bensman, [removed], [removed]                              *
*Department of Communication; Office Phone: (901) 678-3174 or 678-2565 *
*University of Memphis        Fax: (901) 678-4331                      *
*Memphis, TN 38152                                                     *
*E-mail: BensmanM@[removed]                                       *
*
*
* See: [removed]  *

************************************************************************

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 95 19:21 EST
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fibber McGee & Molly & the "little twerp"
Message-Id: <m0tQNtv-000JjXC@[removed]>

>Does anyone know who provided the voice of the "little twerp" that always
>infuriated Fibber so much in each episode? She was a *little girl* and her
>moniker was "Ibetcha". Any info would be appreciated!--ldb
>

Whoa!  you're going to get a lot of mail on this one!!

That "little twerp" was none other than Marian Jordan herself [removed]
Molly!


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Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          AOL: JimWidner  
                          

                                                 

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 19:40:52 -0500
From: Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Who was Teeny? And other pertinent information
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Just so I can be one of the crowd:

LBohall@[removed]; the "little twerp" was played by Marian Jordan. The little
girl's name was Teeny. If you don't know who Marian Jordan is, I'm sorry,
but you'll have to turn in your Pep buttons and leave by the rear exit.

FYI: Several people havem mentioned Orson Welles' 1937 version of "Les
Miserables". This series is now available commercially. Three cassettes
for about twenty bucks. I saw it at a B. Dalton bookstore.

You never know where OTR will turn up Dept: The new issue of Cult Movies
(#16) has an article/interview with Korla Pandit. Mr. Pandit furnished the
musical score for the 1949 revival of Chandu the Magician. He even
mentions it in the article.

Essential OTR: THE LONE RANGER for God's sake! Captain Midnight, Terry and
the Pirates, [removed] other fifteen or thirty minute, popular kids
show you can think of. Ask us old timers what we remember of radio's
golden age. It won't be some artsy smartsy drama show, or the jingle-
jangle of spurs on the wooden boardwalk. It'll be "CAP-tain Miiidnight!!'
or "Hi-yo Silvair, awaaaay!".

OK, this is for all the OTR super gurus out there. Challenge of the Yukon
did not always use the Donna Diana Overture for it's signature music. Does
anyone know what they used circa 1943?


And don't ever forget: The Lone Ranger IS Old Time Radio!

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 18:20:06 -0800
From: Platecap@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: old time radio on radio, networks, etc.
Message-ID: <951214182004_20556026@[removed]>

John Rayburn's concept of purchasing stations for the purpose of devising a
network of stations broadcasting OTR is an exciting one.

Those of us who know and love old time radio may have a harder time
understanding why radio management is so narrow-minded, but it's true that
they are.  It's remarkable that Carl Amari has cracked into 300 stations with
his old time radio show, but he still doesn't have an affiliate in some of
the biggest markets like New York City.

John is right:  Unless you have a track record, it's a REAL tough sell among
today's radio management.  If you own your own facilities and build in some
promotional activities to attract attention to you uniquely formatted
stations, you develop that track record, can test market to your hearts
content, etc.

Those of you who have been reading this digest a while may recall my posts on
Collector's Radio Network - an entity I am involved in which is involved in
distributing programs via satellite.  CRN is currently in negotiations to
purchase a station in the Detroit area.  I am employed by two stations in
this area for other unrelated work.
Last May, CRN threw a big open house for the local media and invited execs
from all the local stations for free food and fun.  ONLY two radio people
showed up - one was a close friend of mine at the station I work at (so she
doesn't count!).

We've discovered no matter how great your programming, unless you own your
own station, it's tough to snag a flagship station.   Mind you, I know
station managers PERSONALLY in this market who have hemmed and hawed about
putting Collector's Radio Network on the air.  They don't mind using me
PERSONALLY as a morning man or Chief Engineer, but would rather broker out
their weekend time than air any of our networks shows.   In the next several
months, that will change once CRN has its own owned and operated affiliate!

If you saw Barbara Watkin's column in the SPERDVAC newsletter, you know that
Collector's Radio Network has some exciting ingredients for old time radio
fans!
CRN can be heard in about five markets.  During the couple months, however,
we have engaged the services of a syndicator who promises 100 new affiliates
in a short period.    CRN is heard on Satcom C-5 and is free to all stations.
 If you'd just like to talk old time radio, or would like to suggest a
station in your area we should approach, give us a call on our [removed]
 800-739-7900.  You probably won't reach me, but my main man, Kevin Starks,
who has produced The Radio Vault with me for a few years now.  He has picked
up a lot of trivia about old time radio shows he can probably rattle off to
you, if induced!

-Bob Burnham, [removed] Box 2645, Livonia, MI 48151-0645
platecap@[removed]  
(Note service to my regular internet address platecap@[removed] has
recently been disrupted, but should be restored soon)

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 21:40:29 -0500
From: st931200@[removed] (Kerri L. Berney)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: the "little twerp"
Message-id: <01HYT949IWZ600T80E@[removed]>

Hey, this is one I might actually know

>From: LBohall@[removed]

>Does anyone know who provided the voice of the "little twerp" that always
>infuriated Fibber so much in each episode? She was a *little girl* and her
>moniker was "Ibetcha". Any info would be appreciated!--ldb
>

Wasn't the voice done by Molly herself?  Otherwise known as Marion Jordon
(I just blanked on the name, so I am taking a shot in the dark).  I seem to
recall that the character was used in that movie with Edgar Bergen and
Charlie McCarthy.  Wow, I am totally blanking on the name of the flick,
too.  Of course I could be wrong.
Oh well, back to studying.


---KLB (Kerri L. Berney)
st931200@[removed]
aka Harx1@[removed]

Remember folks, Clarence also says:
"No man is a failure who has friends."

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 22:09:03 -0500
From: BCH66@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: OTR radio network
Message-ID: <951214220901_54649348@[removed]>

I have never liked the idea of 24 hour OTR. I think too much of something
takes away from it somewhat. However, I like the general concept of a station
that plays much OTR . I think you should consider a block of time like
6-12midnight . Perhaps a few family shows earlier in the evening . Thriller
shows after 9pm.
Also schedule really popular shows in a regular time slot for awhile.
Such as Jack Benny sunday Nights at 7pm . Other shows scheduled at random. I
would suggest publishing some sort of programming guide as well.  Music of
the day would fill a lot of the remaining time. Perhaps interviews with
popular names of the day , 
news of the year whatever. I am sure you can think of something .
I just find 24 hour OTR confusing. You can't catch everything you want. I am
sure others would not agree. But just my 2 cents. 
However, the downside of trying to program for a specific period is the old
time Zone problem . A 24 hour rotation is not so narrow. 

lastly, I would love shift hosts. Someone who for four hours or so introduces
the next program , some background info [removed]

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 18:01:46 -0600
From: lgenco@[removed] (Louis Genco)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA: WWW page update
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Thanks to Ken Piletic, the Humongous Online OTR Database now exceeds 70,000
records.  If you would like to add -your- database, send me an email for
instructions on how to do so.

Lou
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WWW page on "Old Time Radio":                   [removed]
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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 22:46:22 -0500
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Dennis & Rochester
Message-ID: <951214224621_90676019@[removed]>

Just an observation/question. I've noticed that on the Jack Benny radio 
shows, Dennis Day never speaks to Rochester. Never, to my knowledge, not 
once. Was there any reason for this?

Bruce

Response:  Eddie Anderson was black, so he didn't talk to the other
characters exepct in context of his job as valet.  It was part of the social
mores of the time that the races didn't mix, and so they didn't.

In 98% of Rochester's appearances, he was calling on the phone for Jack, so
in the context of the show, he was isolated from the rest of the cast.  Of
course, even in the 1940s you couldn't keep a great man down, and Anderson's
brilliant comic timing (in league with Benny's own) made the Benny/Rochester
scenes some of the brightest lights in the history of radio.  He must have
been the most succesful black man ever to work in radio -- and boy did he
deserve it!

Libertarians can take note that it was the capitalist workplace that caused
on the only black/white interaction -- the job was more important than race
(and ain't that the truth).

Also, I'm almost certain that Rochester did speak to Dennis VERY
occassionally.  I remember him saying something like, "Come in Mr. Day," and
seeing as he was the only character who would call Dennis mister, I'm fairly
certain I'm remembering correctly.

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 23:09:34 -0500
From: MVHaas@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Teeny, Essential OTR
Message-ID: <951214230929_90696312@[removed]>

  The "I betchca" chatterbox on Fibber McGee & Molly was named Teeny and was
voiced by Marian Jordan. 

  Nobody's mentioned the AFRS programs as part of essential OTR.  A
collection needs at least one episode of [removed] Journal or Command Performance
to get the feel of radio produced for the armed forces.
  Also needed would be a couple of 15 minute musical shows with 'name' bands
like Woody Herman, Artie Shaw, etc.
  And then there's the Philco Radio Time with Bing Crosby and maybe a
Spotlight Review with Spike Jones (if for no other reason than to hear Mike
Wallace as announcer.)
  For comedy, you have to have samples of Eddie Cantor, Jimmy Durante, Red
Skelton, Henry Morgan, Phil Harris-Alice Faye, Burns & Allen, Fred Allen, Bob
Hope, Bergen & McCarthy, Stan Freberg, and (insert your favorites here.)
  As for Jack Benny, the question is merely how many. There has to be at
least 20 priceless shows--though which 20 would be a matter of opinion.  I'm
partial to the "Lost Weekend" parody  (3-10-46) with Ray Milland myself, also
the one in Palm Springs where Jack is in a non-airconditioned hotel and the
desk clerk (Frank Nelson, of course) comes around with a water pistol to cool
off the guests when the temperature reaches 102.  The shows from 1943 where
Orson Welles subs for Jack are also interesting. 
   Gad, this could go on [removed]

best --  Merlin Haas

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:43:33 -0800
From: dabell@[removed] (Alan Bell)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Essential Programs
Message-Id: <v01520d02acf68453334a@[[removed]]>

I hope people who are sharing some ideas on "essential" programs are also
sharing them with the OTR Website. (Are you reading this Mssrs. Psarakis
and Veit, among others?) I checked in recently and didn't see some of the
best suggestions that I had previously read on the Digest.

_____________________________________________________________________
ALAN BELL  3768 Sonoma Avenue  Santa Rosa, CA 95405  dabell@[removed]
=============================707-546-6988============================

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 95 23:44
From: "bill harris" <billhar@[removed]>
To: "otr digest" <otr@[removed]>
Subject: Fibber McGee and Molly (Tenny)
Message-Id: <m0tQSL0-000YMOC@[removed]>

>Does anyone know who provided the voice of the "little twerp" that always
>infuriated Fibber so much in each episode? She was a *little girl* and her
>moniker was "Ibetcha". Any info would be appreciated!--ldb

"Tenny" was played by Marian Jordan (Molly). 

"Whatcha doin', mister, whatcha?"

Bill Harris

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 22:26:19 -0700
From: Jerry Purvis <hqsouth@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Fibber and Molly
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi Gang!

Regarding the litle girl on Fibber McGee and Molly, Fibber usually called
her Teeny.  "Ibetcha" was one of her overused lines.  The voice was that of
Marian Jordan, aka Molly McGee.

Jerry at
Wind River Communications

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 22:24:41 -0700 (MST)
From: Bill Miles <bmiles@[removed]>
To: Oldtime Radio Net <otr@[removed]>
Subject: The "Little Twerp" on Fibber McGee and Mollie
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

The voice of Teeny, the little girl on Fibber McGee and Molly was done by 
Marian Jordan (Molly).  You'll notice that most of the time Molly is out 
of the room when Teeny shows up.  I have a few episodes when she switches 
voices as both she and Teeny are together.  I've never heard her get 
confused and forget which voice was which.  Does anybody have a show 
where it happened? :-)

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 00:31:09 +0001 (EST)
From: "'A. Joseph Ross'" <lawyer@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

> Date: 14 Dec 1995 15:25:50 -0600
> From: "Frank Thomas" <Frank_Thomas@[removed]>
> To: [removed]@[removed]
> Subject: Jack Benny Christmas Shopping Shows
> Message-Id: <m0tQLCM-001VvKC@[removed]>
> 
> Forgive me if this has already been [removed] I want to know if I have
> all the Jack Benny Christmas shopping episodes. And by "Christmas shopping,"
> I mean the wonderful shows where Jack keeps returning gifts to Mel Blanc.

This wouldn't be the same Frank Thomas who used to play the part of Tom 
Corbett, Space Cadet would it?

======================================================================
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                                      617/367-0468
15 Court Square                                   lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2573                    [removed]~lawyer/
======================================================================

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 22:04:36 -0800
From: MikeTimble@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: TEENY!
Message-ID: <951214220433_20569273@[removed]>

<<Does anyone know who provided the voice of the "little twerp" <<that always
infuriated Fibber so much in each episode? She was a <<*little girl* and her
<<moniker was "Ibetcha". Any info would be appreciated!--ldb

I think you're thinking of Teeny, a little girl from the neighborhood that
always got Fibber's goat and a quarter from his pocket. Teeny's voice was
done by Marion (Molly) Jordan. Most of the time, Teeny and Molly were never
in the same room at the same time or same scene. Occasionally, Molly would
switch back and forth between voices but not very often. Actually, Christmas
is a special time for Teeny as she recorded a Christmas song which proved to
be so popular that after the first year the show would replay it every year.
The title of the song escapes me at the moment but it's very fun.

Mike Timble
Chicago

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