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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 87


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Re: Info on "The 13th Juror"
	 Captain Midnight
	 Remember WENN
	 Another vintage radio site
	 Re: V96 #86 / Essential OTR / Value of Transcriptions
	 Dunning book
	 Re: [removed] Digest V96 #85
	 Re: Essential radio programs

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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 96 21:50:29 -0500
From: Marty_Dzik@[removed] (Marty Dzik)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Info on "The 13th Juror"
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

In responseto [removed] Bray's request on information about "The 13th Juror".  This
is from "Tune In yesterday" by John Dunning:

"The 13 Juror", a 1949 NBC summer series, told of great historical mysteries
that have persisted through the ages and asked listeners to be "the 13th
Juror" and make up their own minds.  The opening show pondered the question of
John Wiles Booth's alleged death after the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. 
History tells us that Booth was found hiding in a barn and was killed there
while the barn burned.  But the facts are obscure; some people claimed to have
spoken with Booth much later.  One legend had it that he died in 1903.  Hans
Conried and Vincent Price starred in the opener."

Hope this helps!

Marty Dzik
marty_dzik@[removed]



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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:12:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Captain Midnight
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Seems I am delayed in getting the latest Capt. Midnight on
my web site.  Seem to be a problem with my system administrator.

I will post a message as soon as the problem is resolved.

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Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
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Date: Mon, 4 Mar 1996 23:22:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Remember WENN
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]> writes:
>
>Frank Kelly presented a nice, articulate defense of WENN. However I think he
>missed the point of the message to which he responded. The show's ambiance is
>fine, I wouldn't bother quibbling about the anachronisms or other unrealistic
>aspects of WENN (I'm used to a "suspension of belief", I have almost 200
>Cliffhangers on video). The bottem line is that it really is just "another
>sit-com". With a 90's attitude of what is socially acceptable. IMNSHO it isn't
>worth preserving on tape. I'd rather have a tape full of "Sheena" TV shows.
>

I have to disagree with this one too, Bruce.  I am not sure if a lot of 
people realize who the creator of this series is (damn, his name is slipping 
from my mind right now) - but he has written a number of plays on broadway 
including the great "Mystery of Edwin Drood."  

This writer has written some very quality entertainment here and it is 
definitely not in the same class as much of the sit-com pap of which you speak.

First off, I agree with Frank Kelly that one needs to attract more than the 
otr enthusiasts to this series to survive. The inaccuracies do not bother me as
I still enjoy the series anyway.  Secondly, the time frame is short and since
we are dealing with a series run, the writer can write more in vignette style
gradually building on the repertory company that stars in this series. 

I felt the Patty Lupone episode (#4) to be very good and am always impressed
with
the series the same way I was impressed with the series, Brooklyn Bridge.

I guess my biggest criticism is that sometimes too much is attempted within one
single episode and one sometimes gets the feeling that very little dramatic 
movement occurred.  

That aside, I say, enjoy this for what it [removed] vehicle using a radio station
of the past as a means for developing serio/comical situations involving
the characters.  I think it is a lot of fun and don't let anything else get in
the way.

My one [removed]

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Date: Tue, 05 Mar 1996 01:50:08 -0600
From: Kenneth McCulloch <mcculk@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Another vintage radio site
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

While searching for information on AFRS, I happened across KQED's 
web page ([removed]) and followed through "RADIO" and "VINTAGE 
RADIO" to the likes of biographies and sound bytes of Lord Haw-Haw, 
Tokyo Rose, Axis Charlie, The McGees at 79 Whistful Vista, old radio 
pics and other resources. Very interesting place to visit.
- Ken McCulloch -

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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 08:04:30 -0500 (EST)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: V96 #86 / Essential OTR / Value of Transcriptions
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

> Subject: Essential OTR Programs - Interim Summary
> 
> The following list shows the number of votes received so far, by the
> "Essential OTR Program List" at my WWW page.  Only programs with two or more
> votes are shown.
> 
> Summary:  Of the many candidates submitted by readers, only a few programs
> seem to be generally accepted as "essential", or received more than two votes!

	I'm sorry Lou, but after looking over this interim list, two things
are obvious - 

1. somebody voted twice.  How else to account for some very mediocre but 
specific episodes of some series to be selected?  This is beyond the law of 
averages.  Or are these specific shows being given away by Radio Spirits 
or someone?  Or is the survey set up in such away that people are voting 
on shows on a list?  There are just too many specific episodes in too 
many series - out of all of OTR - for this kind of tally to be valid.
 
2. Not a whole lot of people are taking part in the survey.  Where is Sam 
Spade (any episode), Vic & Sade (every other episode), [removed] 
 
	Don't take this posting the wrong way.  It's partially to blow of some
steam.  I returned to the station (WBAI) the day after a fairly successful 
live drama by the Gotham Players (Columbia Workshop - "Inside a Kid's Head"
aka "Ritchie the Great" 1942)  to find our SFX door smashed to pieces.  
That's the one problem with community radio - they let the community in!
You're damn right I'm bitter and cynical.
 
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> Subject: Value of Transcription Disc
> 
> I'm wondering what the [removed] is on the value of 16" transcription discs
> (monetary and archival value). For example, I know of three discs of a show
> called Guest Star at a local antique mall that have been there for several
> months.  They're priced at $[removed] each (they're black plastic, not metal or
> glass, BTW).  I have no way of playing them and for all I know these are not
> particularly rare programs. 

	Guest Star discs are common as muck.  They contain two 15" shows 
promoting T-bills or something similar - almost like in-house Armed Forces 
Radio shows except they were filler shows for local stations, produced and
handed out by the government.
     "Are they worth buying?"  Do you want to hear them?  Who are the stars?
What condition are the in?  Will they look nice hanging on the wall?  Some 
old pressed NBC discs have a recording on one side, but on the back is 
a gorgeous RCA logo, surrounded by an intricate swirl pattern a bit like a 
spider web. 
    $[removed] sounds awfully steep for these unless you really want to have 
them.

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> Subject: A NEW "Tune In Yesterday"???

	She recently spoke with John and he mentioned that he was working on a 
> new edition of "Tune In Yesterday".  
> 
> Does anyone else have any other information on this?  Is the information that
> I received true?  I certainly hope so!
> 
	This book, as well as "The Big Broadcast" by Buxton & Owen were 
supposed to reappear last November.  Apparently Dunning is adding back 
a lot of the material cut from the original version.  I've heard that 
they are trying to come up with a format with less "air" than the last one
to accomodate more text in the same number of pages.  I'm sure someone 
who knows better will chime in with the facts.
	
	- Max Schmid "Golden Age of Radio" serving the NYC area (despite
			my "pals" at WBAI) for nigh unto 18 years.
			Sundays 7:30 - 9:00 pm for those who don't know.

	Oh, by the way,  I did finally get an aircheck of the Orson Welles
debacle, er, spectacular.  I will edit it down and submit it to SPERDVAC
for distribution.  And even though it didn't raise a huge amount of $$$,
I've been asked to produce Part 2 for the May fund drive - This time during
the [removed] no Stuporbowl to compete with!  I will try even harder to
line up the guests we couldn't get the first time - Anyone have a current 
number for Lucille Fletcher?  Any suggestions for the next round?  Please
e-mail me at mschmid@[removed]  Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 5 Mar 1996 10:28:16 -0500
From: JRayb71827@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Dunning book
Message-ID: <960305102816_238042018@[removed]>

Re: Marty Dzik question about "Tune In Yesterday," the following article ran
in the January/February issue of my OTR newsletter, "Thrilling Days of
Yesteryear."
                      "JOHN DUNNING BOOK UPDATE
   A recent chat with John discloses he's ironed out his differences with his
publisher (Oxford) and the book is now in the editing stage for cosmetic
changes.  His original manuscript of 3,600 typed pages had lots of white
space and after tightening was really only about 2,600 pages.  He cut about
500 and the finished product will be about 1,000 pages in book form.  His
wife, Helen, has quit her job to devote full time to the book and John says
everything should be finished by April or May of '96.  Publication won't be
before about that same time in 1997 and could be pushed back until fall of
'97.  Of course, he wants the earlier date and hopes Oxford will retain the
"Tune In Yesterday" title.  John told me there'll now be about 65-85 pages on
news, 15-20 pages on band "remotes," plus sections on sports, religious
broadcasts, concerts and Metropolitan Opera.  The first book had about 700
entries and the new one, he says, will be at least twice that.  In addition
to his on-going mystery series ("Booked To Die" and "Bookman's Wake"), John
is doing a two-hour OTR show on Denver radio (KHOW, AM-6:30) Sundays at 8:00
[removed] and it's going great in the ratings.  By the way, "Bookman's Wake" is
due to come out in paperback in March and has big advance orders."

*************
   Since that article, there's a bit of additional information.  John's radio
show is now on both Saturday and Sunday at the above time in repeat form.
 Also, he's working on another mystery novel that will be tied in with old
time radio.  The "book" tie-in for the two books mentioned in the above
article stemmed from the fact that John  was the long time proprietor of The
Old Algonquin Book Store and he has vast knowledge of old books.  His series
is based on that knowledge.  Obviously, the OTR book will be also be highly
authoritative.

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Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 21:53:51 EST
From: BWWG42A@[removed] (MR JACK L PALMER)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: [removed] Digest V96 #85
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Jack Palmer * [removed] #[removed] ] --

Subject:  Cincy Convention Info
	For info in Cincinnati OTR Convention, including dealer costs and set
ups, call Bob Burchett at 606-282-0333.  He can provide all the info on
the convention.      Jack Palmer

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Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 14:52:58 EST
From: BWWG42A@[removed] (MR JACK L PALMER)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Essential radio programs
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Jack Palmer * [removed] #[removed] ] --

I Can not beleive that anyone could even list an esssential radio
program without at least one episode of VIC AND SADE, probably the best
written and most subtle humour on OTR.  I can think of a dozen episodes
that should be on your list, but just off the top of my head, I'll name
three.  Old Photographs, Muted Moonbeam Chimes, Bookeeping.   The 15
minute shows with only the 4 characters were much better than the later
shows were they actually introduced many of the people instead of just
talking about them.  I have listened to the shows over and over for
years and still think they're great.  Jack

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