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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2008 : Issue 279
                             A Part of the [removed]!
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                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: Cinnamon Bear/"Sim Pickens the c  [ Grams46@[removed] ]
      Re: Howard McNear on "Cinnamon Bear"  [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      Cinnamon Bear/"Slim Pickens the cowb  [ Larry Gassman <lgsinger@[removed] ]
      More questions about Don Hollenbeck   [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      Silver bells are ringing              [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
      Cold Case                             [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
      Howard McNear                         [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      The Old Time Radio Man                [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      free VHS                              [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Abie's Irish Rose                     [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
      Slim Pickens vs Howard McNear         [ Conrad Binyon <cbinyon@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:46:07 -0500
    From: Grams46@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Cinnamon Bear/"Sim Pickens the cowboy"

    question from _Dixonhayes@[removed]_ (mailto:Dixonhayes@[removed]) :

>     However Slim's ImDB biography doesn't show  him acting at that
>     point,  not  until 1950,

    the imdb is not always a good reference.   especially concerning  radio work.
    peace from kathy
    support our troops; end the war in iraq
    john  3:16

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    Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:50:43 -0500
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Howard McNear on "Cinnamon Bear"
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    Our list administrator graciously addresses my question, per someone else's
    vehement claim that Slim Pickens himself is the cowboy in "Cinnamon Bear"  and
    not beloved actor Howard McNear:

>     Compare  to any of his Johnny Dollar
>     episodes, Gunsmoke, etc. and anyone with any  kind of ear will recognize
>     McNear. Much like Parley Baer, McNear's voice  is  unmistakable no matter
>     what the role and what shading he uses.  --cfs3

    Thanks very much.  I certainly did think Sammy the Seal sounded an  awful lot
    more like the man we knew and loved as Mayberry's Floyd the  Barber than the
    man we knew and loved as the crazy B-52 pilot who rides the bomb  to Earth.
    One more reason I'm leary of anyone who makes a claim based  on "It just is!"
    with no proof.

    And I don't think I ever realized McNear ever appeared on Johnny  Dollar.
    Thanks for the tip.

    Dixon

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    Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 12:50:57 -0500
    From: Larry Gassman <lgsinger@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cinnamon Bear/"Slim Pickens the cowboy

    	years ago, back in the late 1980's, Dennis Crow asked John and me to
    listen and try to identify voices for the Cinnamon Bear.
    And, we did.  I haven't listened this year, but I do
    remember  identifying the Slim Pickens voice.  It was Howard McNear,
    and I am sure, it still is.
    Larry Gassman

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    Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:06:44 -0500
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  More questions about Don Hollenbeck

    Folks;

       Been listening to a lot of news broadcasts trying to find something with
    Don Hollenbeck, and I have a few specific questions - again, answers can be
    sent to me directly and I'll summarize, or respond to the Digest as well if
    you wish. Any audio/video I receive will, with permission of the sender, be
    posted on the blog for everyone.

       1) Do any of the Murrow-championed 1947-1950 series "CBS Views the Press"
    exist? Was this series television-only, radio-only, or did it air on both?
    Was it distributed nation-wide, or only air on local WCBS? (I thought it was
    solely radio, but there are Internet references to it having aired on
    television.)

       2) Does anyone have a date for the 1943 NBC Salerno broadcast? Does anyone
    (I really, REALLY hope) have a copy of that broadcast in their collection
    they would be kind enough to share?

       3) While I have a reasonable collection of CBS "World News Today"
    programs from during the war, I have very little news programming from NBC,
    where Hollenbeck worked at that time. Can anyone provide any other NBC news
    programming that includes Hollenbeck's reporting from the European front?

       4) According to Loren Ghiglione, "the last film completed before his
    suicide was the 12/5/54 broadcast of 'The Scene' [sic; s/b 'The Search'], a
    CBS program on innovative research occurring at [removed] universities (the
    program won a Peabody Award in 1954)." Rick Prelinger suggests the film was
    made available on 16mm film and widely distributed, although he may have been
    talking about the 1948 MGM film; does anyone happen to have a copy sitting
    around? (And yes, I know this is off-topic, but it's a small percentage of
    the overall post.)

       5) Anyone have a copy (audio or video) of Murrow broadcasting Hollenbeck's
    obituary at the end of See It Now? (This was recreated in "Good Night and
    Good Luck.")

             Charlie

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    Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:25:36 -0500
    From: <otrbuff@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Silver bells are ringing

    Kenneth Clarke asks:

>     Does anyone know where I can find an episode date for "Captain
>     Midnight"?  I'm trying to get a date for an episode which was titled "The
>     Silver Dagger Case".

    I'm sure Kenneth means Captain Midnight.  But it occurred to me that the
    kindly old investigator, Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost Persons, hunted down a
    cold-blooded killer on October 13, 1949 in "The Silver Dagger Murder Case."
    In fact, that installment's available on tape.  Well-heeled Edna Corig,
    secretly wed to Anson Howe, was murdered at their residence by assailant
    unknown -- until Keen and his trusty companion, Mike Clancy, got on the
    trail.  It's included among the 1,693 episodes spelled out in my Mr. Keen,
    Tracer of Lost Persons:  A Complete History and Episode Log of Radio's Most
    Durable Detective
    [removed].  The similarity
    in case titles is flagging.

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:25:19 -0500
    From: <otrbuff@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cold Case

    Saturday night isn't the usual one for CBS-TV's Cold Case.  But TV listings
    suggest that this Saturday night it will be shown (Dec. 6) at 9 [removed] and
    will feature a disappearance/murder committed while Orson Welles' adaptation
    of the panic broadcast, "The War of the Worlds," aired on CBS's Mercury
    Theater (Oct. 30, 1938).  I know it's a repeat but if you've not seen it, it
    certainly has the vintage radio tie-in.

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:26:48 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Howard McNear

    Dixon commented:

>     someone on another forum keeps insisting "Slim Pickens" the cowboy is not
>     played by Howard McNear, but by the actual character actor Slim Pickens.
>     However Slim's IMDB biography doesn't show him acting at that point, not
>     until 1950, and in fact it indicates he was only starting his rodeo career
>     at that point in his life (1937). Still, this poster is adamant, insisting
>     there's no way it isn't him, but seems to be backing it up with nothing more
>     than an emphatic "It just is!" Can anyone clear this up for sure? Dixon

    As Charlie Summers stated, it's definitely Howard McNear.

    Dixon, do what I do. State the answer and leave it at that. If that "someone"
    wants to continue stating it's Slim Pickens on whatever message board you are
    reading, ignore his future postings. You already did what you could.
    Attempting to correct him repeatedly only adds fuel to the fire. Consider the
    subject closed after you correct him once knowing the truth is now online
    regardless of how many times he states otherwise.

    At FOTR this year, Craig Wichman and I had a brief discussion about the
    "someones" that frequent message boards -- they will always crawl out of the
    woodwork. Can't stop them. Most of the time they are not trying to rewrite
    history, they simply don't like to admit they are wrong when they made an
    assumption. Remember, they are sitting behind a computer screen and are not
    talking to you face to face. One message board in particular I frequent two
    or three times a year instead of once a week for two reasons: anything I
    state gets contradicted and I get called a liar and (2) I'm still a newlywed
    and have far more important things to do than to argue with "someones" who
    insist they know the difference between Slim Pickens and Howard McNear.

    Murphy's Law: Don't ever argue with a fool -- people may not know the
    difference.

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    Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:28:09 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Old Time Radio Man
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    Sean remarked:

>     It's by Henry Morse, otherwise known as the "Old Time Radio Man." Has anyone
>     heard of him? Seems odd he operates out of NJ and we don't hear about him at
>     Friends of Old Time Radio. One of two things come to mind: he's either been a
>     fan of old-time radio for decades and just isn't out there -- [removed] not on the
>     internet and doesn't go to conventions or (2) he's one of the large handful
>     that got into the hobby only during the past few years and is self-assigning
>     the title of the "Old Time Radio Man" for the benefit of the library to add
>     credence to his presentation.

    This past summer the local library had a Tuesday evening presentation open to
    the public about old-time radio. The speaker was a man who frequently listens
    to the old time radio shows from the local community college radio station. He
    also has a copy of John Dunning's book. Not that it matters what expertise he
    had for the subject, but he did title himself as an expert on old-time radio.
    His presentation was open to the public and I was among the twenty plus who
    sat in attendance. He played a couple minutes of Captain Midnight and a couple
    minutes of a Fibber McGee and Molly. Afterwhich he talked about the history of
    old-time radio. Five minutes later I heard what was the third incorrect
    statement -- The Old Timer lived in Fibber and Molly's basement and would
    frequently stick his head out like a gopher and introduce himself for a few
    minuets just to remind them that he was still living underneath the living
    room floor, Fibber McGee and Molly got their start on the Great Gildersleeve
    radio show and Bill Johnstone was the first man to play The Shadow before
    Orson Welles took over his position. I stayed the entire time thinking up all
    the reasons to tell my wife why a Curious George book would have been more
    entertaining. After his presentation, asked him other than John Dunning's book
    sitting on the table, what else he has as a reference. He has none. I didn't
    introduce myself formerly but I did tell him he did a good job (I didn't
    criticize -- it's not polite) and went back home after saying hi to my mother
    who works for the same library.

    Hoping Henry Morse does a better job than the guy at Harford and honestly, I
    love the fact that people are being exposed to old-time radio at libraries
    even if the information isn't accurate. Such efforts might pick up or intrigue
    a few new hobbiests out there. Hopefully he'll have a few free CDs for people
    to take home and get hooked listening to. CDs are relatively cheap and if it
    gets one person in the hobby, the cost is priceless. Perhaps someone should go
    to the library and see the presentation for themselves, take a flier for the
    Newark FOTR Convention (even if it's last year's flier), introduce themselves
    after the event and get his mailing address so Jay can add them to the mailing
    list to possibly gain a new attendee??

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    Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:28:30 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  free VHS

    I have about 130 VHS videos (most likely more) that are gathering dust. Have
    Gun - Will Travel TV shows, Stage Door Canteen, Hoppy, Rin-Tin-Rin, The Outer
    Limits, Jim Bowie, etc. I'd like to donate them to an OTR club but I'm not
    sure how many clubs (if any) are willing to accept VHS anymore. If they are,
    drop me a line with an address to send them to and I'll put them in the mail
    Tonto . . . I mean, pronto!

    If more than one club accepts VHS and wants them, I may divide them into two
    lots. No financial reimbursement needed.
    Martin
    mmargrajr@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:28:42 -0500
    From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Abie's Irish Rose

    I am the proud owner of 4 episodes of "Abie's Irish Rose, and I don't
    what I have. I can't find a log . Is there a published log?
    The titles are made up by me based on the story line, may I'm right or
    may by or may be I'm wrong
    I sure would appreciate some help. Below is what I have.

    Abie's Irish Rose    1/2/1943        "The New Department"
             Levy dept. store has a new department.
    Abie's Irish Rose    1/8/1944        "Levy & Murphy Visit a
    Competitor"    Levey & Murphy visit competitors department store
    Abie's Irish Rose    5/27/1944       "Twins have Scarlet Fever"
            Twins have Scarlet fever, at lodge.
    Abie's Irish Rose    6/17/1944       "False Alarm, No Scarlet Fever"
         Trying to keep the guests from leaving Lodge.

    The dates are a guessed based on info. in Jay Hickerson's Guide to
    network shows

    The show started 1/24/42  to 6/27/42 | 9/12/42 to 6/2243 | 8/28/43 to 9/2/44

    The program was sponsored by Drene Shampoo over NBC,  7:00 PM  Central
    and 8:00 Eastern tine

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    Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 21:30:26 -0500
    From: Conrad Binyon <cbinyon@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Slim Pickens vs Howard McNear

    Charlie comments:

>     ...just listen to the show; that is _clearly_ McNear in the role. Compare to
>     any of his Johnny Dollar episodes, Gunsmoke, etc. and anyone with any kind of
>     ear will recognize McNear. Much like Parley Baer, McNear's voice is
>     unmistakable no matter what the role and what shading he uses. --cfs3]

    But to go the other [removed] voice of Slim Pickens, with his southern drawl
    and lengthy phrasings is equally identifiable as the voice of Major Kong
    riding that A-bomb down to the ground in Dr. Strangelove.

    Conrad Binyon

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