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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 379

Table Of Contents: 

	 78 turntables, cartridges, needles
	 Re: "Pardon My Blooper"
	 Re: by way of electrical transcription
	 Mr. DA/Airline Radios
	 Re:  [removed] Digest V96 #373
	 Re: by way of electrical transcription
	 Re: C120 Cassettes
	 NBC D-Day tapes, NBC Int'l Service and Jack Kirkwood
	 Re.  Gays in OTR
	 The Lone Ranger Rides Again
	 Re: Shadow program
	 OTR Chat
	 Glenn Miller movies
	 RE: Missing Jack Benny Shows
	 Some OTR files are again available by E-mail
	 Big Jon and Sparkie

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:03:16 -0600 (MDT)
From: William Miles <bmiles@[removed]>
To: Oldtime Radio Net <otr@[removed]>
Subject: 78 turntables, cartridges, needles
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Hey fellow and fellowette otr collectors!  I'm going to ask you a 
question that may be bending the otr format a bit.  I have some ol 78's 
of Hop-Along Cassidy, the Lone Ranger, Fibber Mcgee and Molly, LOretta 
Young, etc. along with about four thousand music 78s.  The phonograph I 
use to dub them off onto tape is an old [removed] Penny joberdoo in which I 
installed a cartrideg that takes a Shure 3 mil needle.  Is there any 
company you can think of that makes a "quality" turntable for 78 
reproductions?  I'm to the point of seriously selling my 78 collection, 
but would like to put them on tape before hand.  Any help out there in 
collector land?  :-) 

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 19:12:17 -0600
From: "D. Machen" <mached16@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed], lawyer@[removed]
Cc: mached16@[removed]
Subject: Re: "Pardon My Blooper"
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>
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'A. Joseph Ross' (lawyer@[removed]) wrote a while back:

>   I have two of the "Pardon My Blooper" records, which I've just dug out
>   for this post. The records are 10-inch LPs. Neither of them has a list
>   of what it contains. Both have the following on the back of the record
>   jacket:
> 
>   This recording is a catalogue [sic] of unintended indiscretions before
>   microphone and camera in Radio and Television.
> 
>   It covers an approximate 25 year span, from the early pioneer days of
>   radio, to modern day television. The material in this recording is
>   authentic, and it contains types of BONERS known in Radio and TV by
>   varied names such as FLUFFS, SPOONERISMS, SLIPS, FLUBS, BLOOPERS etc.
> 
>   Material for this recording was gathered from transcriptions, kinescope
>   sound tracks, off the air recordings, tapes, and other sources.
> 
>   Nevertheless, I must say that, when I listened to the records, I
>   thought many of the bloopers sounded like re-creations, not actual
>   airchecks.

Some obviously are. In fact, the stuff that was in that 
hideously-constructed "Pardon My Blooper" movie that ran in theaters 
circa '73 was ALL recreations, and the "soundtrack album" that was 
released by MCA Records had the most annoyingly-edited laugh track I've 
ever heard.

While most of the bloopers that contain audience reactions sound legit, 
as does that Larry King flub during the August Brothers Bakery ad 
("...for the breast in [removed]"), almost everything else Kermit Schaefer 
put in those things were poorly-acted recreations. No doubt about it.

paix,
Daevid MacKenzie
PRAXIS
Nordheim, WI

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 19:23:17 -0600
From: "D. Machen" <mached16@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed], BCH66@[removed]
Cc: mached16@[removed]
Subject: Re: by way of electrical transcription
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>
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BCH66@[removed] wrote a while back: 

>   In Seattle in 1948 KIRO radio often transcribed a popular
>   weeknight CBS program and played it on Sunday night deleting the
>   CBS feed of ESCAPE. I know this was a station practice because the
>   CBS stations in Spokane and Oregon ( same time zone and
>   geographical area) were broadcasting ESCAPE as was the network
>   back East but with a three hour time difference.

For whatever it may be worth, this touches upon why we have a recording 
of Orson Welles' "War of the Worlds" today. All the transcriptions CBS 
made of the broadcast at the New York studio were broken by the cops 
when they started investigating the panic. But one station out in Kansas 
recorded the feed of the broadcast so as to run it later the same night. 
It's that set of transcriptions the record albums and cassettes came 
from.

peace,
Daevid MacKenzie
PRAXIS
Nordheim, WI

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 96 19:07:53 EDT
From: ekindred@[removed]
To:   otr@[removed]
Subject: Mr. DA/Airline Radios
Message-Id: <m0vAmWK-000k1kC@[removed]>

The name of Jay Josten sounds right to me for MR. DA.
If my overloaded memory serves correctly or at all Airline was a Montgomery
Ward house brand as Silvertone was a Sears offering. Firestone and Western
Auto may have also had a house brand.
Ed Kindred

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:48:35 -0700
From: rtwilson@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:  [removed] Digest V96 #373
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Unsubscribe

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 19:23:50 -0600
From: "D. Machen" <mached16@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed], BCH66@[removed]
Cc: mached16@[removed]
Subject: Re: by way of electrical transcription
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>
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BCH66@[removed] wrote a while back: 

>   In Seattle in 1948 KIRO radio often transcribed a popular
>   weeknight CBS program and played it on Sunday night deleting the
>   CBS feed of ESCAPE. I know this was a station practice because the
>   CBS stations in Spokane and Oregon ( same time zone and
>   geographical area) were broadcasting ESCAPE as was the network
>   back East but with a three hour time difference.

For whatever it may be worth, this touches upon why we have a recording 
of Orson Welles' "War of the Worlds" today. All the transcriptions CBS 
made of the broadcast at the New York studio were broken by the cops 
when they started investigating the panic. But one station out in Kansas 
recorded the feed of the broadcast so as to run it later the same night. 
It's that set of transcriptions the record albums and cassettes came 
from.

peace,
Daevid MacKenzie
PRAXIS
Nordheim, WI

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 19:31:20 -0600
From: "D. Machen" <mached16@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed], ronhare@[removed]
Cc: mached16@[removed]
Subject: Re: C120 Cassettes
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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Ron Hare (ronhare@[removed]) wrote a while back:

>   About C-120 audio cassettes: they're great. Half the storage space
>   and just 1 or 2 db lower recorded level than Type1 C60s.
> 
>   I know that there are still lots of skeptics and I'm sure that
>   we'll hear about a bad past experience or two.
> 
>   During the past several years I have used hundreds of these
>   (different brands), many through dozens of passes, with
>   trouble-free results in all sorts of recorders and players.
>   Professional suppliers like Polyline still sell lots of them, so
>   the return rate must be reasonable. The tape is thinner, so a good
>   shell is an absolute requirement.

Interestingly, the C120 is what Chuck Schaden uses for his 4-hour "Best 
of Those Were the Days" volumes, several of which I have. And while I've 
yet to have a bad experience with the stock Chuck uses, I still have 
been burned with virtually every brand of C120 I've used before, and so 
I'll often transfer the material (sans most of the commercial breaks) to 
much stronger C100s or C110s for everyday usage and keep the C120 
originals as backup or for recopying if the copies get chewed up.

peace,
Daevid MacKenzie
PRAXIS
Nordheim, WI

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 20:02:19 -0600
From: "D. Machen" <mached16@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Cc: mached16@[removed]
Subject: NBC D-Day tapes, NBC Int'l Service and Jack Kirkwood
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>
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A few months ago I got a good deal on that mammoth 38-tape set Radio 
Yesteryear issued of NBC/WEAF's D-Day programming, all the way from the 
first bullitens of the very early morning hours on 6 June to circa 6:00 
[removed] on 7 June. (I bought it at the beginning of the summer and I'm 
STILL wading through unheard sides!)

Three things I'm curious about here. First, of course, is whether or not 
anyone else on OTR has this package and are as impressed with it as I 
am.

Second, there was a little featurette on D-Day afternoon about the NBC 
International Service, which apparently transmitted NBC's programs to 
overseas audiences on shortwave. Does anyone in this neck of the 
CyberWoods have information on this outfit (stations, schedules, dates, 
etc.)?

Third, one of the half-hours of the morning of 7 June was of Jack 
Kirkwood's "Mirth and Madness" comedy show. I'd heard a little about 
Kirkwood a few years back when his name was brought up in the "Goon 
Show" newsgroup (Kirkwood's material sounds like it could have easily 
inspired Spike Milligan's scripts), but this is the first I've actually 
heard of his work. Does anyone around here have info on Kirkwood, and 
are there any other sources of tapes of his shows?

peace,
Daevid MacKenzie
PRAXIS
Nordheim, WI

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 19:46:06 -0600
From: "D. Machen" <mached16@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed], betdav@[removed]
Cc: mached16@[removed]
Subject: Re.  Gays in OTR
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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Betty Jean Davis (betdav@[removed]) wrote a while back:

>   I don't think OTR deliberately stereotyped gays as such; that
>   subject was not a part of the public consciousness as is is now.
>   Perhaps, instead, there were the characterizations of "prissy" men
>   as a comical character.
> 
>   I cannot remember the actor who appeared on some show, always
>   introduced by a harried announcer who said,
> 
>   "Will you come in, sir? (pause) Will you come in now? (pause )
>   WILL YOU PLEASE COME IN?!"
> 
>   To which the character responded, "Don't RUSH me!! You Crazy,
>   you!"
> 
>   and another lisped line of his was, "OOOoooo, you're just so
>   CRAZY, you!"
> 
>   Help! Who was this?
> 
>   And again, I missed it the other day: name of the actor who always
>   played the "prissy" salesman with the "Yeeesssss?"

I'm not 100% sure, but that sounds like it could have been Franklin 
Pangborn. I know Pangborn's "sissy" image was why Jack Paar had him 
introduce the first few telecasts of "The Tonight Show" he hosted (Hugh 
Downs came in a little later).

peace,
Daevid MacKenzie
PRAXIS
Nordheim, WI

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:17:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: The Lone Ranger Rides Again
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

OK, here is the history of The Lone Ranger on the silver screen:

The Lone Ranger - Republic, 1938 - 15 chapters

The Lone Ranger Rides Again - Republic, 1939 - 15 chapters

The Lone Ranger - Warner Brothers, 1956

The Lone Ranger and the Lost City of Gold - United Artists. 1958

The Legend of the Lone Ranger - ITC/Wrather Productions, 1981

The two serials played fast and loose with the story of the Lone Ranger. In
the first he was one of five Texas Rangers whose identity was revealed in
chapter fifteen. In the second he was a wandering cowpoke who became the
Ranger when danger threatened.

The first two movies were done in the Wrather era and starred Clayton Moore
and Jay Silverheels straight from the TV screen. "Lost City of Gold" was a
regualar movie, not a compilation of TV shows. Of the third movie, the less
said the better. It did nothing to further the Ranger's greatness.

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Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 21:38:00 -0400
From: Charles Mazza <flash@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Shadow program
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Vern Schroeder <vschroed@[removed]> wrote:

>Can anyone tell me the date of the Shadow program entitled "The Living 
>Head" sponsored by Grove Laboratories?
>
>Is there a list available of what Shadow programs are available?  I have 
>around 167 and know of about twenty more. Just wondering how far I have 
>to go!


If you mean "The Living Dead":

10-Feb-46	The Living Dead

I have no referance to a show called "The Living Head".

At this time, i have (after completing a few trades) 199 Shadow episodes. I
believe there are several more i don't yet have.

Charles Mazza

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 96 18:36 PDT
From: lois@[removed] (Lois Culver)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Chat
Message-Id: <m0vAnZT-00084VC@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Oops -- always forget an important thing - it gives you a chance to write
about it again!

OTR CHAT - THURSDAYS - #OTR Channel - Skylink network, IRC - 8 PM EST.

(Steve is there other nights, [removed] check in and see if he is there!)

Lois Culver

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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 21:58:12 -0400
From: AndersonCK@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Glenn Miller movies
Message-ID: <961008215811_205576276@[removed]>

In a recent digest, there were some comments about Glenn Miller's two films
for 20thCFox, and some related radio tie-ins.  I have in my hands a CD on the
Viper's Nest label (#VN-157) which was released in '94 and titled "The
Original Glenn Miller Orchestra in True Stereo".

Track 10 on this CD is 14 1/2 minutes long, and is: 
"... the rare, never before issued, Sun Valley Serenade radio preview
program, an "air trailer" for the film featuring music and dialog excerpts.
 This show was originally distributed to radio stations on a one-sided 16"
[removed] " 

I've got a bunch of big band CDs, and I got the above from either:

Worlds Records ([removed])
or 
Stash Daybreak Mail Order ([removed])

I've ordered lots of cassettes and CDs from both over the years, and their
service is quite good.  Have no interest in either company, other than being
one of their customers.

Chuck Anderson

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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 02:56:09 GMT
From: lgenco@[removed] (Lou Genco)
To: TBARNETT@[removed], otr@[removed]
Subject: RE: Missing Jack Benny Shows
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a recent issue of the OTR Digest, Tom Barnett asked:

>Could this be the ever elusive "Buying Shoelaces for Don" Christmas =
episode.

The answer is YES!  visit [removed], and listen to a
RealAudio soundclip. Metal tips or plastic tips, it is indeed the
clip!  If you look around, you will even find a soundclip from the
-next- Christmas, when Don chides Jack about the shoelaces.



Lou
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Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 04:16:39 GMT
From: lgenco@[removed] (Lou Genco)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Some OTR files are again available by E-mail
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Some new things were added in the hardware rooms of the old-time radio
website, and my not-too-smart files daemon got lost amidst all the
wires and disks and spilled coffee.  Fortunately, he found his way
home again, and can again send some of the more popular old-time radio
text files by email.

If you want a copy of the latest "Stations currently broadcasting OTR
list", send a message in exactly the following format:

TO: files@[removed]
SUBJECT: send [removed]
[the body of the text is ignored]

Other files available are "help" and "[removed]".  Entering any of these
filenames should get you the files by return email. If it doesn't
work, send me a note and I'll try to find the coffee-loving file
daemon again.

If you want any additional *text* files to be made available to be
emailed to you, send me a note, and I'll see what I can do.


Lou
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Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 12:17:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Ouzts <jouzts@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Big Jon and Sparkie
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

Regarding Jim Williams note.  SPERDVAC has a number of episodes of this 
kiddie series.  The episodes I have from them are in good condition even 
though SPERDVAC does indicate some quality compromise.  That's the only 
source I have come across.

Jim


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                       James W. Ouzts, [removed], CCCA 
                         jouzts@[removed]
  Chairman and Professor                        Speech and Hearinc Clinic
  Department of                                 Delta State University
  Audiology and Speech Pathology                137 Bailey Hall
  DSU Box 3372                                  601-846-4110
                          Cleveland, MS 38733
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