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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 243


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 All right, enough already
	 Re: 13 By Corwin
	 When Radio Was
	 Re: Family values
	 Re: recording over master tapes
	 Need some vendor information
	 Need Email Address
	 Radio Schedules
	 otr flaws
	 13 By corwin
	 Destroying History
	 W. A. Palmer
	 Radio's 75th Anniversary book
	 Yesterday's and/or today's values
	 Re: Family life
	 VCR Audio Recording

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 09:09:42 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: All right, enough already
Message-Id: <[removed]@dlogics>

This is not directed at any one person in particular, but I would 
respectfully suggest that this debate over whether or not OTR was 
an accurate mirror of the times, and/or whether modern radio is 
better or worse, tends to ebb and flow like the tide, and please 
let's let the tide go out again for a while. I rather doubt that 
the parties on the "other" side of the issue, whichever side you 
think that is, are likely to have a forehead-slapping moment of 
insight and realize that you have been right all along, so perhaps 
we can get back to the usual topics now. I understand the feelings on 
both sides of the issue and they've been expressed in great detail, but 
as a line of argument I think we are now simply making the rubble bounce.

Andrew C. Green
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@[removed]
Chicago, IL  60610-3498

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 96 12:31:26 EDT
From: filfeit@[removed] (Fil Feit)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: 13 By Corwin
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

MR JOSEPH   ANDOLINA JR wrote:

>To anyone in the Seattle Wa area,  just to let you know that NPR 
>radio station KUOW-FM [removed] will be airing "13 BY Corwin" starting 
>this Wed nite 7/10  at 10:30PM.  They just finished up an encoure run 
>of "Star Wars" & "The Empire Strikes Back".  I'll be trying to catch 
>all of the 13 by Corwin on tape by recording them to my HiFi VCR by 
>setting the timer and transfer them to reel.  If I suceed at my 
>mission, I'll post the news to this Newsletter in case any of you 
>wanted a complete set but missed catching all of them.  If I don't 
>suceed, then maybe we all can compare which titles we all do or don't 
>have.  
>
Or you can purchase the set from NPR.  They tell you how at the
end of each show.

btw, they're up to #9 or so here in DC.  Some are quite good.  Others
are very good.  Although none are laugh-a-minute, most are fun.  I
don't recall the name, but IMHO the best so far was the one about
what the UN could accomplish if it didn't have to worry about wars.
Very imaginative; not as good as the d-day show (OK, I admit it:
I'm lousy are remembering names).

--f2

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:35:59 -0700
From: Rick_Botti@[removed] (Rick Botti)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: When Radio Was
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

     Does anyone know how to contact the folks at "When Radio Was"?
     I also need a program listting.
     
     Thanks
     
     
     Rick_botti@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:00:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: barrym <barrym@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Family values
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

> I think the "family values" promoted by OTR were the same family values
> expressed by Norman Rockwell covers for the Saturday Evening Post. Everything
> was swell and everybody was happy in this the greatest human society ever
> contrived, and for heaven's sake don't rock the boat -- the American status
> quo was just perfect!

I've heard this argument countless times with reference to
both OTR and early TV and, while I can't exactly disagree
with it, I'm not sure it isn't an oversimplification.

Yes, that is the picture that they painted, but was it to
sell the status quo or was it an ideal to reach for?  I
think it was both and I think that as an ideal it served
us well.

Granted it wasn't realistic.  It wasn't supposed to be.  It
was a picture of what we might like to have if we could find
a way to achieve it.  It was our common picture of what we
thought life should be like.

Today's corporations have found that they can generate
significant increases of productivity by finding ways to
foster a "shared vision" (very popular buzzword in corporate
America today).  Radio and TV and even the movies served us
by helping us to have a shared vision.  We wanted that help
from them and we got it.

Later the media people found out they could make more
money by breaking down any shared visions than they could by
helping us maintain them.  Maybe that's what we want now.

Barry

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:46:47 -0500
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: recording over master tapes
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Steven Lewis said:
>Like a child using a microscope to crack rocks, many people in
>the early days of radio did not appreciate the long-term value of their
>work.

I think it would be more accurate to say that most people in the early days
of radio thought their work _had NO long-term value_.  [Same with movie
producers, but that's another topic.]
How old is this hobby, anyway?  It would not exist were it not for the
advent of home tape recorders, which weren't available until the 1950s,
right?  That gave the transcriptions a permanance they simply would not
have had, otherwise.  [Likewise, the advent of television - much less home
video - gave movies a permanance that their original audiences, and makers,
never conceived of.]  
The purpose of commercial radio, then as now, was first to turn a profit
for owners and advertisers, and then to entertain the audience _of the
moment_.  For most of the early generations of radio workers, I would bet
their job was mostly just that, a day job, providing a daily service to
customers in the "here and now".  Some of them were probably very happy if
not inspired to be doing such a job, but it was a rare individual who
thought about the work's survival - and then probably as "wishful
thinking."
It's only by virtue of later technological developments that we can look
back and feel sad, wistful, angry, or whatever, that not everything was
transcribed and saved.
John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
ph  (512) 495-4112
fax (512) 495-4296

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 20:50:07 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Marcus Antonsson <marc-a@[removed]>
To: Old time radio digest <otr@[removed]>
Subject: Need some vendor information
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi Friends,
Does anyone have the addresses, phone, and fax numbers to America before
tv, and radio classics? If so, please mail them to me. I should like to
browse there catalogues.

So long,

Marc

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:14:42 -0700
From: Jack Mann <jmann@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Need Email Address
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Dear Digest: Sorry to bother you with personal stuff, but I'm 
trying to contact Tom Martin. In his wonderful Vintage Audio
catalog (plug plug) he only gives a partial Email address. Tom?
A question while I'm hear. How does one spell the star of Tales 
of the Texas Ranger's name? Is it Joel McCrea or [removed] 
something else?
Thanks, 
Jack

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:00:08 PST
From: jonesjm@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Radio Schedules
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

This might seem the dumbest question for many of you, but where on earth
can I get weekly radio program schedules?  Does one have to write to each
radio station?  Are they even published anymore?  I keep reading about
radio programs many of you are currently listening to and I need to find
out how you know what is going to be aired on what station and when.
Thanks a bunch.  I'm in Sacramento, CA.  judyjones@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:11:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: rsheldon@[removed] (robert sheldon)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: otr flaws
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

...let's not let
the golden haze that surrounds our childhood (or the borrowed 
childhoods of our younger members) blind us to the flaws in those shows.

Dick Lupoff
_____________________

The flaws that Lupoff perceives seem to be largely of omission, and 
sometimes perhaps by design. But when one looks at radio of the 30s 
and 40s it was a medium of mass entertainment in a nation that was 
deeply embroiled in some pretty serious problems-the Depression and 
then World War II. If radio provided release from the everyday 
troubles and travails of living, it was doing in its own way a service
to all American citizens. And if the world it portrayed was six 
degrees removed from reality, it was a world in which all could find 
safe haven for a little while, whether black, gay, or whatever. 
    Television today provides no such haven. We have gritty dramas 
that tell it like it is on the streets of New York, Baltimore, Los 
Angeles, or wherever. And we have situation comedies in which, for the
most part, the characters are all hip and do the "right" thing in all 
social [removed] politically correct behavior seems rather 
hypocritical to me in view of the very real problems that large 
segments of our population have in dealing with real people in real 
situations.
     Radio in those thrilling days of yesterday had some redeeming 
virtues in that it did adhere to accepted standards of social behavior
and morality. Humor, even of the sly, double entendre variety, did not
stoop to the crudest  levels of locker room humor, nor did it 
implicitly sanction promiscuity, even perversity,as so many TV comedies
 do today. 

Yes, there is a place for commentary on the real world, and television
like radio before it has along history of providing the proper forum  
for discussion. In the 40s, a listener didn't have to turn the dial 
far away from Jack Benny' slot to find [removed] Kaltenborn or Edward R. 
Murrow telling about the war in Europe and the islands of the Pacific.
And later, television was the medium that brought home to all citizens
the fight for civil rights and the fruitlessness of the war in 
Vietnam. Again, all of this was just a flip of the dial away from 
the Dick Van Dyke Show, Father Knows Best or Bonanza. 
     One of the more popular programs of the 40s was called [removed]
destinations to which listeners were transported via this program were
not often places that he or she would choose to visit, but even so, it
was Escape. It seems to me that radio in its day and television today 
offer this form of relief from the real world, and in that context I 
cannot look upon either medium as being flawed simply because it 
remains at arms length from the real world.    

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:15:07 -0400
From: Ronda Polhamus <ronda@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: 13 By corwin
Message-Id: 20150737800064@[removed]

Could someone post a log or a list of episodes for 13 by Corwin.  I've been
having my father tape them while I've been at school, but he has missed one
or two and I would like to fill the gaps, and get them in the right order.

Since I am using a co-workers email address now that I'm home for the
summer,  please respond to the digest.  Thanks in Advance!

Chris

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:26:15 -0500
From: bensmanm@[removed] (Marvin R. Bensman)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Destroying History
Message-id: <v01540b00ae09c08ce98e@[[removed]]>

It is only recently that companies have determined that their products are
"corporate assets" to be saved and re-used. The success of Universal's
tour; the building of "studio museums" with rides and efforts at virtual
reality shows to bring in the tourist dollars has proven that there is
money in "them thar' thangs".

What woke many up in the industry was Ted Turner paying such a huge amount
just for the old film library of MGM. It really paid off for him. Then
there is the growing nostalgia interest in artifacts (and the high prices
paid for such things as costumes, cartoon gels, etc.).

However, if the radio networks and stations had realized there might be
continued and even growing interest in their programs would we have access
to what we have now? What would their selective processes have been on what
should be saved and what thrown out? It appears the "private" sector is
more indiscriminate (?) and we should be grateful that so very much is out
there.

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*Professor Marvin R. Bensman, [removed], [removed]                              *
*Department of Communication; Office Phone: (901) 678-3174 or 678-2565 *
*University of Memphis        Fax: (901) 678-4331                      *
*Memphis, TN 38152                                                     *
*E-mail: BensmanM@[removed]                                       *
*
*
* See: [removed]~[removed]            *

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Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 23:32:56 -0400
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: W. A. Palmer
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I was sad to read about Bill Palmer. I first heard about his death about a
week ago when someone posted the notice on Compuserve.

He was a true genius. I worked for his company back in 1969. He had an old
Ampex, I think it was a model 200. It had the capstan and pinch roller on
the side of the feed reel rather than on the side of the take up reel. So
the tape was "pushed" across the heads. Not really, but think about how that
kind of a set up looked. Feed reel, capstan, head, take up reel.

I know there was a reason for it being built this way, but I can remember why.

The story I was told was that Bill was hired by Ampex to build the recorder
and then Ampex rejected his design so they would not have to pay him a
royalty or something like that. Then they built the model 300 which was
almost identical to Bill's design except for some slight changes. Maybe that
is where the position of the capstan came in.

He was always inventing things. I was there when he developed the interlock
projector. When super 8mm film was coming of age, he invited the press to
see a demonstration of his super 8mm film chain. Going from Super 8 to video.

Someone close to him told me that his mind was always working on ways to do
things. He designed the equalizers that the company used. I wish I had one
of those schematics. They were better than most equalizers I have seen.

The industry is going to miss him.

                                        Fred

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:54:43 -0400
From: Platecap@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Radio's 75th Anniversary book
Message-ID: <960710195442_355057520@[removed]>

I was wondering if anyone had seen a copy of the book advertised in the
current SPERDVAC [removed] basically looks like a coffee table volume with
over 900 photographs of radio happenings from its earliest years to the
present.
I must say from the ad, it *sounds* like a must have publication.  Comments?
Bob Burnham; BRC Productions; Platecap@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 22:31:55 -0400
From: JRayb71827@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Yesterday's and/or today's values
Message-ID: <960710223121_153313735@[removed]>

Before we get too far afield about some of the good or bad things during
radio's golden age as compared with the present, just remember the
[removed]"The thing most responsible for the good old [removed] a LOUSY
memory!"  I was there and I remember it wasn't all honey and roses.  However,
the OTR aspect helped make up for it.  In  my little old midwestern home town
we never even imagined being able to go to Broadway to take in a play.  And,
suddenly, there it [removed] in our living room!  Because of the lean times
and comparative lack of mobility, just recall that radio reigned supreme as
the number one form of family entertainment for more than a quarter of a
century.  Good, bad or indifferent, the programs provided a surcease from
some pretty harrowing times.  Let's keep that in mind, enjoy the shows that
are your particular favorites and do your darndest to keep the Digest from
turning into another political forum.  We've sure got enough of those and
anyone who feels this "freedom of expression" is better than the family
oriented shows of yesteryear, dream on, or is that rave on?
   One other thought, and feel free to correct this if you know otherwise.
 Dave Boucher said that apparently [removed] Marshall has retained the rights to
the CBS Mystery Theater, perhaps in the hope that it might come back and have
some commercial value.  The show was the brainchild of Himan Brown, creator
of "Inner Sanctum," and the shows were mostly re-hashes of that original.
 Knowing Hi Brown, I can't imagine him relinquishing the rights to Marshall
or anyone else.  Marshall was nothing more than the host and it's difficult
to conceive of him having the rights to CBSMT any more than it would be
possible for Raymond Edward Johnson ("Raymond, your [removed]") to have the
radio rights to "Sanctum."

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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 23:13:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: airwavesOTR <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Re: Family life
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

> Subject: Speaking (rudesly) as an oldster
> There's more than one downside to today's broadcasting freedom. And it's
> not just hate mongers who broadcast "half-truths, lies and innuendo", we
> have a president who does it all the time. We're also stuck with foul
> language, promiscuous sex, gratuitous violence the repulsive specatacle
> of homosexual marriage. 
	Given this attitude, it's not likely you'll ever be invited to witness
such a "repulsive spectacle". 

> All in all I'll take OTR. Or old movies. And yes,
> even 50s TV family sit-coms. AT least then you didn't have to worry about
> your five year old daughter hearing Ozzie and Harriet discussing oral sex.
	No, but if they had occassionally addressed their REAL family 
life, including their son's affectional preference, we might be spared some
of the fearful, closed minded comments from old-timers who just don't 
know any better.
	Say, who started this "family values" crap again anyway? (Besides 
the Rupublicans, that is?).
	-The Human Torch		
		

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Date: 10 Jul 1996 21:45:32 GMT
From: [removed]@[removed] (Ron B. Hare)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: VCR Audio Recording
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

To Frank Mallory:
A cable from the earphone jack will work pretty well, but it's not the best
quality because you add distortion from the headphone/speaker amp. These
amplifiers are usually not very good. If you don't have a VHS-HIFI machine,
it probably won't matter, because these audio tracks are pretty poor also.

I use a VHS-HIFI machine (with level controls) and have rigged up my
SuperRadio with a wire from the volume control to a jack I installed on the
back of the radio. This setup puts out a fixed level from the tuner into the
VCR and takes the signal before the amplifier can clobber it up. But, I go to
all this trouble because I want to archive selected material onto cassette
with the highest quality possible (it is remarkable, BTW).

For casual listening, though, your method of a cable between the earphone
jack and VCR will do just fine. Radio Shack sells appropriate cables and
adapters if you don't want to make a cable.
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