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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2001 : Issue 412
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Re: Douglas's "Listening In" [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
Vaughn deLeath [ "Scott Rogers" <srogerssprint5@eart ]
Was it OTR? [ vigor16@[removed] ]
Re: Today in Radio History for Decem [ "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@hotmail ]
Kaltenborn D-Day TV show promo [ "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@hotmail ]
Today in Radio History [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
"Don't touch that Dial" [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Re: Born to play a certain role [ "Tony Bell" <t_bell61@[removed]; ]
Born to Play [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Buying EasyBuy 2000's AVC Soul Playe [ Neal Miller <neal@[removed]; ]
Father of radio [ "jacques boudreault" <jackb67@hotma ]
Re: Advice on shows [ Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed] ]
Johnny, Fred, & Rudy [ Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed]; ]
Re:Born To Play The Role [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
Searching for a CBS RMT episode [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]
Screen Directors what?? [ Peter Appleyard <pappleyard_ca@yaho ]
rare radio shows [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
Re: Real Crime Dramatizations [ Christopher Werner <cwerner@globalc ]
OTR POEM PUBLISHED. NOW ON LINE [ "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:47:44 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Douglas's "Listening In"
On 12/27/01 11:09 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:
Speaking of books, I just finished reading "Listening in" by Susan J.
Douglas. I wonder if many others on this list have read it . I would be
interested in hearing their opinions of her work. I have definite mixed
feelings about it. I almost quit at the begining because I have always
had a strong dislike of anyone telling me what I think or what I feel,
and Ms Douglas does that throughout her book assigning thoughts and
feelings to OTR's listening audience.
Douglas's bent is clearly toward the deconstructionist approach to
cultural history -- but unlike a lot of her colleagues in that camp,
she's also a very entertaining writer. While she's clearly out to make
sociopolitical points, couched within her discussion of the "listening"
experience, she's able to do it without the usual impenetrable jargon.
One doesn't have to agree with her conclusions to find them interesting,
at least, to read -- and this book is very readable.
I do think she could have done a *lot* more work so far as primary source
research is concerned, and there are points where weak research tends to
mar the book: her discussion of the rise of broadcast news, for example,
focuses pretty much exclusively on CBS because having examined the Milo
Ryan recordings at the National Archives, she thinks that was all that
was preserved. Had she taken the time to visit the LOC as well, she would
have found otherwise. In general, she tends to draw sweeping conclusions
about the content of long-running programs after listening to one or two
sample episodes -- and I don't think there are many series where one is
really justified in doing that, given the manner in which programs and
performers evolved their techniques and their material over periods of
years. There are also cases (her discussion of A&A is the most notable
example) where no primary source research seems to have been done at all.
And, as is often the case in works of this type, there is usually little
evidence presented to support her theories that a particular program
carried a particular message to its audience: it's one thing to read
gender-politics interpretations into the suggestion that Joe Penner
"masqueraded as a woman, a gay man, a child, an idiot, and, not
insignificantly, a eunuch" -- it's quite another to come up with some
sort of contemporary evidence supporting the idea that listeners who
actually *heard* Penner in the mid-1930s at any time interpreted his
performances thusly. (Douglas does, at least, resist the temptation to
put Rochester in bed with Mr. [removed])
While I found this book interesting, it seems obvious that Douglas isn't
at all a *fan* of OTR -- the feeling I get from her discussion of the
programs is that she doesn't particularly respect or appreciate or enjoy
the material, but nevertheless feels obligated to examine it. She seems
much more comfortable with baby-boomer era radio, and you get the feeling
in reading the latter half of the book that she's glad the first half is
over and now she can get on with discussing the material that really
matters to her.
Elizabeth
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:47:54 -0500
From: "Scott Rogers" <srogerssprint5@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Vaughn deLeath
Leonore Vonderleith was born in Mt. Pulaski, a small rural town in central
Illinois September 26, [removed] father died when she was 12 years olld and
her mother moved to Los Angeles, California. While attending Mills College
in San Francisco, she greatly surprised her instructor with her three-range
voice from contralto to soprano. After graduating from Mills, she went to
New York to continue her music career. It was at this time that she took the
professional name of Vaugh deLeath. In New York in 1920, her great
opportunity came when she was making phonograph records. Dr. Lee DeForrest
invited her to sing over his wireless telephone station at 40th Street and
Broadway. There was no piano or other musical instrument in the studio in
the Old World Tower building when she sang "Swanee River". The early radio
enthusiasts listening to the experimental broadcast were enchanted and from
that day her popularity grew, as broadcasting developed. Singing into the
imperfect microphones of radio, she was compelled to use soft, dulcet tones
otherwise a high note would shatter a transmitter tube. Thus she was
credited with origionating the "crooning" type of singing. She continued in
the radio field up until a few days before her death on May 27, 1943 in the
Hotel Statler, Buffalo New York., from heart complications. Her remains were
returned to the town of her youth and she was buried in the Mt. Pulaski
Cemetary.
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:48:24 -0500
From: vigor16@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Was it OTR?
Hey folks,
I have a question or two, no wait, three:
1. My wife says that she heard a recording of "The Invisible Man" and
"Journey to the center of the Earth". She was wondering if that was OTR.
She asked me, but I've only been in this hobby about ten years and just
started getting good tapes from a great distributor, so I didn't know.
2. I have heard talk of Red Skelton commenting on the Pledge of
Allegence. Was that OTR, if so, does anybody know where/what date/what
show etc.
3. Is there a source for vintage children's recordings from the 50s and
60s. I am looking for a recording that was called "Larry the Lightning
bug". It was a story about a boy who caught a lightning bug that talked
and let him go on the condition that the bug would give him a wish or
something. I heard it as a child in Buffalo Children's Hospital in April
1964. I suspect that it is somewhat older than then.
By the way, I got my Christmas presents of shows this year. My wife is
always good about that. There is nothing better than being married to a
fellow OTR lover. Hope you got what you were hoping for. Have a nice
New Year and we'll all be listening all over again next year.
Deric
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:49:13 -0500
From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Today in Radio History for December 27
Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed]; writes:
From Those Were The Days --
1939 - The Glenn Miller Show, also known as Music that Satisfies,
started on CBS radio. The 15-minute, twice-a-week show was sponsored by
Chesterfield cigarettes and was heard for nearly three years.
Would this have been an early name for the series? Every aircheck I've ever
encountered for it bore the title "The Chesterfield Moonlight Serenade"
(although this could have been a later title to differentiate the CBS show
from Miller's simultaneously-running Saturday evening NBC Blue Network
series "Sunset Serenade"). Also, it was three-nights-a-week (Tuesday,
Wednesday and Thursday), not only two.
1968 - The Breakfast Club signed off for the last time on ABC radio,
after 35 years on the air.
The story goes that the last show had been carried locally in Chicago on
WLS, and as a gag on Don McNeil's closing commentary on "real peace," the
disc jockey on duty, Bill Bailey, came out of the show by playing The
Beatles' "Revolution." (Some versions of the story have Larry Lujack as the
disc jockey, but he didn't switch from afternoons to mornings until October
1969, although Lujack could also have been subbing for a vacationing Bailey
during the week of December 27th.)
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:49:36 -0500
From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Kaltenborn D-Day TV show promo
Apologies are in order concerning that discussion a month ago or so in which
I mistakenly stated that the promo for [removed] Kaltenborn's NBC-TV special that
appears on the WEAF D-Day set was an early radio NETWORK promo for
television. I finally unearthed my copy of the cassette containing the
announcement last night, and the promo was clearly part of the 12:30 PM
local WEAF station ID; in fact, the item identifies the 8:30 PM special as
being on WNBT and consisting of Kaltenborn introducing "a special Signal
Corps pre-invasion film." Sorry for insisting it was a networked
announcement.
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:49:50 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in Radio History
From Those Were The Days --
1941 - The Helen Hayes Theater, on CBS radio, was called the first
casualty of World War II. Lipton Tea dropped sponsorship of the program
as it prepared for shortages in tea imports from India.
Joe
--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:50:05 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: "Don't touch that Dial"
I totally agree with my favorite "Jet Jockey" Conrad Binyon when he
responded to Eric Cooper's question about identifying particular shows with
Networks. As listeners, we really didn't care if it was a CBS, NBC, or
Mutual program. As Conrad remarked, We just learned to find them at a
certain spot on the dial. However, as an Actor, Conrad and I definitely knew
which Network paid us. :)
Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:50:51 -0500
From: "Tony Bell" <t_bell61@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Born to play a certain role
Mike Ray asks:
I would love to see who you believe was born to play
a certain role
As one of the many devotees on this Digest of the long running "One Man's
Family", I am certain I have a lot of company when I suggest J. Anthony
Smythe as Henry Barbour was just the perfect man for a memorable role. He
was the one constant in a show that ran for almost 30 years with numerous
cast changes. And he did a wonderful job.
Tony Bell
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:54:02 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Born to Play
When it comes to being born to play a part, I will take the whole GUNSMOKE
cast and that includes all of the supporting players. Without question
GUNSMOKE was the greatest show on radio. Obviously from that last statement it
would be redundant to say GUNSMOKE is my favorite program, but I will say it
anyway, GUNSMOKE is my favorite program. When I started collecting radio shows
about 30 years ago my first priority was to get the complete run. Except for
the episodes that are not available, I have succeeded and I listen to them all
the time. It was a great show. I wish that it would not have come so close to
the demise of radio as we know and love it.
Ron Sayles
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:34:14 -0500
From: Neal Miller <neal@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Buying EasyBuy 2000's AVC Soul Player
I recently tried to buy a AVC Soul Player from Easybuy 2000 on the net (the
ad specifications for the machine says it handles OTR shows). I then
received a letter purporting to be from Easybuy 2000 saying that they are a
small company and need to verify my identity. I could send them by fax
either a copy of my driver's license, a phone bill or a copy of my credit
card. I tried to reach customer service with no luck; nobody even answers
the phone. Has anybody any experience with this company or with a similar
letter asking for ID. Maybe I am paranoid, [removed]
Thank you
Neal Miller
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:00:26 -0500
From: "jacques boudreault" <jackb67@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Father of radio
On Dec. 24, I submitted a reminder that the CBC would air a radio program on
the "Father of Radio". Within a very short time I received an Email
indicating that the statement was false and that Nikola Tesla was the true
father of radio and should be given credit for this. The writer added that
the case was "proven in Federal Court after years of litigation against the
Marconi claim." A day later I read on the list that Dr. Mahlon Loumis is
the undisputed "real father" of radio. In other words, Fessenden should
take a back seat and I was wrong in even suggesting that any credence should
be given to the program.
Not being technically inclined or having any significant degree of knowledge
in broadcasting or broadcast history other than my interest in OTR, I
consulted the "Encyclopedia of Radio and Television Broadcasting: The man
behind the microphone" by Robert [removed] Though the edition is from 1970,
the book seems to be well researched so I looked at the index section but
couldn't find any reference to Tesla or Loumis. So I looked for references
to the work done by James Clerk Maxwell in 1864 and Heinrich Hertz (1888)
but again was not successful.
Then I went to the Internet and found a litany of hits on other names
associated with radio and broadcasting. Names such as Righi,
Calzecchi-Onesti, Popoff and others with different claims on inventions or
original research done on early radio waves and broadcasting. One can only
assume then that all of these fine individuals do deserve recognition for
their work on the development of radio. Maybe Marconi had more business
acumen than Fessenden, Tesla and many others, but, had he worked in a
vacuum, without access to previous research done in his field, one can only
guess if he would have had the same recognition. So, to give Mr. Fessenden
some recognition by the CBC does seem appropriate. Maybe it will make Joe
average take note, take away some sheen from Marconi and spread some
appreciation to others who helped make radio what it is.
This morning I was very glad to see an objective, thorough and concise
presentation by Elizabeth McLeod Personally, I'm thankful for all the
research done in the field and I enjoy OTR and radio in general. If in the
future I bring your attention to other interesting programs, please don't
shoot the messenger.
All the best to one and all in 2002!
Jacques Boudreault
Ottawa, Ontario
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:51:47 -0500
From: Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Advice on shows
Stephen Jansen wrote:
I need some help choosing some specific OTR shows for
a gift for a 50th wedding anniversary - especially
comedy, maybe some heartwarming shows, dealing with
marriage/anniversary/putting up with
spouse/loooove/etc.
Have you ever heard of a 15 minute game-show called
"It Pays to be Married"? I've got four episodes (in
that dreaded MP3 format) that I'd be happy to donate
to your project. They are:
It Pays To Be Married_1953-07-20_Mr. and Mrs. Charles
Fronk
It Pays To Be Married_1954-01-15_Mr. and Mrs. Irwin T.
Porter
It Pays To Be Married_1954-01-27_Mr. and Mrs. John
Scovern
It Pays To Be Married_1954-03-08_Phil Harris & Alice
Faye
Other programs which came to mind were:
The Christmas Eve episode of "The Bickersons", where
John and Blanche actually expressed kind sentiments
towards each other.
The 5-28-40 - "Circus Comes To Town" episode of
"Fibber McGee and Molly" where Fibber and Molly become
romantic while stuck on top of a ferris wheel.
And the 10-30-53 "Phil & Alice Romance" episode of
"The Phil Harris Alice Faye Show".
Let me know if you need contributions to your project.
-The Fibber-
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:18:06 -0500
From: Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Johnny, Fred, & Rudy
Mike Ray <MRay@[removed]; writes:
One final note. If you have not ever taken the time to introduce yourself
to the 5-part
series of "Yours Truly Johnny Dollar" programs you have missed something
very special.
I agree, Mike. These shows, spreading a plot over five consecutive
15-minute programs, are the best of the "Johnny Dollar" series. They gave
Bob Bailey a real chance to demonstrate his range and the writers a chance
to expand beyond the constraints of a standard half-hour detective
storyline. We get a lot more character development and frequently some
rather touching scenes that there wouldn't otherwise have been time for.
Definitely dramatic radio at its best.
The entire 15-minute series is available for loan from the First Generation
Radio Archives CD Library. Go to [removed] and follow
the link to the libraries.
On another topic, many thanks to Elizabeth McLeod for her detailed posting
in Digest #407 concerning the uncirculated "Amos 'n' Andy" shows in our
Round Robin #17. Elizabeth is also an Archives volunteer and it's very
enlightening to have such a font of knowledge helping us document shows.
Speaking of Elizabeth, in Digest #409 she mentioned:
On the other hand, a number of recordings made for exhibits at the 1933-34
(Chicago
World's) Fair survive, and do turn up among transcription collections from
time to time. >Fred Allen, for example, recorded a five-minute comic sales
talk for the Bristol-Myers
exhibit, and at least one copy of this disc, recorded by RCA Victor, is
known to survive. >The disc was played thru a loudspeaker mounted in the
mouth of a larger-than-life
animated paper-mache Fred Allen head, which probably frightened many small
children away >from the [removed]
The Archives uncovered this particular disk awhile back - it originally
came from Rudy Vallee's extensive collection of recordings. (Vallee was a
tremendous fan of Allen and did an impersonation of him in his nightclub
act. It was Vallee's archive that yielded the two 1932-33 "Linit Bath Club
Revue" shows that have been in circulation for the past thirty years or
so.) A scan of the label of this one-of-a-kind disk can be viewed at
[removed] - that's Rudy's handwriting on
the label. The labels of the two Linit shows, originally recorded on
uncoated aluminum, can be viewed at:
[removed]
[removed]
Listening to this disk made me wonder if Vallee had also kept the
paper-mache head of Allen used in the exhibit. Knowing his penchant for
pack ratting, he probably did! [removed] could that head be [removed]
Harlan
Harlan Zinck
First Generation Radio Archives
[removed]
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:58:17 -0500
From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:Born To Play The Role
I can think of a few other actors/actresses who fit the
bill of "born to play the role":
Lucille Ball (as Liz Cooper) in "My Favorite Husband"
Agnes Moorehead (as Margo Lane) in "The Shadow"
Charles Correll (as Andrew Hogg Brown) in "Amos n' Andy"
Ed Gardner (as Archie) in "Duffy's Tavern"
Shirley Booth (as Miss Duffy) in "Duffy's Tavern"
Marie Wilson (as Irma Petersen) in "My Friend Irma"
Richard Denning (as George Cooper) in "My Favorite Husband"
Jackson Beck (as Philo Vance) in "Philo Vance"
John Todd (as Tonto) in "The Lone Ranger"
Brace Beemer (as the Lone Ranger) in "The Lone Ranger"
Alan Ladd (as Dan Holiday) in "Box 13"
Edgar Bergen (as Charlie McCarthy, Mortimer Snerd, et al) in "The
Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
Sydney Smith (as Ellery Queen) in "The Adventures of Ellery Queen"
Humphrey Bogart (as Slade Shannon) in "Bold Venture"
Lauren Bacall (as Sailor Duval) in "Bold Venture"
Sydney Greenstreet (as Nero Wolfe) in "The Adventures of Nero Wolfe"
Jack Webb (as Joe Friday) in "Dragnet"
Kenny Delmar (as Senator Claghorn) in "The Fred Allen Show"
Natalie Masters (as Candy Matson) in "Candy Matson"
Gertrude Berg (as Molly Goldberg) in "The Goldbergs"
This is, of course, just one man's opinion. I think many of
the
members of the OTR mailing list will agree that the contents of any
list(s)
will be subjective at best. Those listed in the above mentioned list
are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head.
I wonder what other members think.
Kenneth Clarke
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:13:27 -0500
From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Searching for a CBS RMT episode
If anyone would like to sell or trade a copy of the 1/6/74 CBS Radio
Mystery Theater episode please contact me.
Also, while I don't know enough to compile a list, anyone who has talked
to me at any length will tell you that I firmly believe Bob Bailey was
one of the finest actors radio drama has ever seen, and it's a real shame
his talent was wasted after YTJD moved to New York.
rodney.
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:13:45 -0500
From: Peter Appleyard <pappleyard_ca@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Screen Directors what??
Would someone please help with this mess I have myself
in and cant figure my
way out of. I have shows from the following programs
and cant make my
mind up if they are all the same programs or not.
Screen Directors Playhouse
Screen Directors Assignment
Screen Directors Guild Assignment
Screen Guild Players
I can find a log for Screen Directors Playhouse but am
unable to find a log
for the other three. Any help you might lend would be
appreciated. pappleyard80@[removed] or
pappleyard_ca@[removed]
THANKS Pete
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Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:14:33 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: rare radio shows
I am in the midst of completing the rough draft for my next book, The Radio
Adventures of Ellery Queen, along with my co-author, Francis Nevins. In
doing so, we still have a couple curios I was wondering if anyone could fill
us in on. There appears to have been two separate radio series of ELLERY
QUEEN broadcast for which we have little information. (Some of you might
find the following [removed])
In 1957, the BBC broadcast a six-week summer series based on six of the
earliest Queen short stories. With the exception of this info, we have
squat. Does anyone know anything about this program? Titles? Airdates?
Cast? Production info? We'd like to make more than just a brief mention
(although I am tempted to find some old British newspaper on microfilm and
check out all of summer of 1957 to see what I can find, but finding such a
paper on microfilm near here might be VERY [removed])
And during the 1960s, Dannay and Lee (creators of EQ), rented their hero for
use in a syndicated package of one-minute mysteries, of which none of them
have had any direct involvement with. Most of these episodes seem to have
survived, supposedly 312 are circulating, and although the titles were given
during the opening scene of each episode, does anyone know anything about
this series? cast? episode numbers? production info?
If you know anything about this series, or know of any sources, you can
contact me direct or on the digest.
Hope everyone has a great New Years!
Martin
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:17:35 -0500
From: Christopher Werner <cwerner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Real Crime Dramatizations
At 12:01 AM 12/17/2001 -0500, Bruce Rosenberger asked:
1. Can anyone reccomend any other shows in this vein (that they enjoy)?
I would suggest:
Crime Classics - 48 delightfully narrated episodes exist (Lou Merrill is
*better* than Jack Webb)
Tales of the Texas Rangers - of which over 100 episodes exist.
Crime Club - a bit less sophisticated but still good stories
Police Headquarters - from 1936, the complete run is available.
2. Do the This Is Your FBI shows get better with time?
They do get a bit preachy, and there isn't the humor of Jack Webb, but they
*do* report lots of cases. Give them a second chance (there are 194
episodes available).
If I were to rank them, it would be:
Crime Classics
Dragnet
Tales of Texas Rangers
Whitehall 1212
This is Your FBI
Black Museum (cases are fine, the intro gets boring after a while)
FBI in Peace and War
Crime Club
Police HQ
All of them are available from the major OTR clubs.
Enjoy!
Chris Werner
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Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:20:59 -0500
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR POEM PUBLISHED. NOW ON LINE
Earlier this year I posted an OTR Poem I wrote, called "Tribute". Well, I
am proud to say, someone thought enough of it and saw its merits to publish
it in a book of poems as well as on line. If you are interested (or even
just curious) you can obtain a printer-friendly copy at <[removed]>
Once there, do a search by Poem, or author, Owens Pomeroy and it will take
you right to the page. I wish to thank those of you who asked me for copies
when the poem first appeared on the Digest.
Owens
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