Subject: [removed] Digest V2009 #91
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Date: 5/13/2009 10:18 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2009 : Issue 91
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
      The Invisible Play returns            [ "R. R. King" <kingrr@[removed]; ]
      OTR event pictures                    [ Rentingnow@[removed] ]
      New I Love a Mystery at REPS          [ BryanH362@[removed] ]
      5-13 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      'American Heritage' magazine: Benny   [ Herb Harrison <[removed]@yahoo. ]
      NASA and the Lone Ranger              [ Linda Thuringer <nemesisstation@msn ]
      Photos at SPERDVAC convention?        [ bobb lynes <iairotr@[removed]; ]
      OTR on Wikipedia                      [ Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed]; ]
      scripting the news                    [ Michael Berger <[removed]@yaho ]
      Re: Herb Morrison's Hindenburg recor  [ "Jan Bach" <janbach@[removed]; ]
      National Archive                      [ "Mike Harron" <[removed]@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 02:12:01 -0400
    From: charlie@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
    and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
    over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
    of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
    real-time OTR talk!

    Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
    others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
    range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
    it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
    it's always a good time!

    For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
    week and every week!

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    Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:55:24 -0400
    From: "R. R. King" <kingrr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Invisible Play returns

    _The Invisible Play: [removed] Radio Drama 1922-1928_ by Alan Beck, which had
    disappeared for a while, is back online at:

    [removed]

    It looks to me like parts of it may be missing or incomplete but what's there
    is pretty fascinating.

    Has anyone attempted a similar study of 1920s American radio drama?

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    Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:58:33 -0400
    From: Rentingnow@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR event pictures

    Sean  Dougherty commented on the  problem with a commercial website not
    posting pictures unless someone buys  prints.

    I emailed Sean with an offer to post the event pictures as slide  shows
    which could be printed with "right click save as" or if Mac drag ( or what
    ever.  I'm not a Mac user).  Also I offered my wife's time to optimize  them
    using Adobe Lightroom  if there are exposure problems.

    We can  take any format including JPEG as well as raw and do the
    appropriate  manipulation and conversion to JPEG.

    If there are others who would like a  centralized collection of photographs
    we could put slide show format of OTR  events let me know off line.  I
    could put a OTR link on the navigation bar  on my home page and any copy above
    the slide show if desired. Even imbedded  video as seen in the example.

    They can be uploaded to me using Skype or  sent by snail mail.

    Here is an example of what we did for a local opera  group.  Of course, on
    the OTR pictures there would be no self promotion  "[removed]" and
    the OTR would have its own directories, not part of my  commercial
    listings.

    [removed]
    [removed]

    Larry  Moore

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    Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:58:52 -0400
    From: BryanH362@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  New I Love a Mystery at REPS

    Tim plans to produce the first few  episodes  live for the Seattle REPS
    audience in June.  I can't wait to  see it.
    And the production values associated with Tim's company are  outstanding!

    -Bryan

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    Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:58:59 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  5-13 births/deaths

    May 13th births

    05-13-1842 - Arthur Sullivan - London, England - d. 11-22-1900
    composer: (Gilbert and Sullivan) Several of his works were adapted for
    radio
    05-13-1899 - David Broekman - Leiden, The Netherlands- d. 4-1-1958
    conductor: "Mobil Magazine"; "Texaco Star Theatre"
    05-13-1907 - Daphne du Maurier - London, England - d. 4-19-1989
    author: "Campbell Playhouse"; "Several of her works were adapted for
    radio
    05-13-1907 - Warren Angell - Brooklyn, NY - d. 5-6-2006
    singer: "Fred Waring and his Pennsylvanians"
    05-13-1909 - Ken Darby - Hebron, NE - d. 1-24-1992
    singer, choral conductor: (The King's Men) "Fibber McGee and Molly"
    05-13-1911 - Maxine Sullivan - Homestead, PA - d. 4-7-1987
    vocalist: "Night Life"
    05-13-1912 - Helen Craig - San Antonio, TX - d. 7-20-1986
    actor: "Crime Does Not Pay"
    05-13-1912 - Phil Alampi - d. 11-4-1992
    farm newscaster: ABC, WJZ New York, New York
    05-13-1914 - Bill Rose - Fort Dodge, IA
    actor: Chuck Ramsey "Captain Midnight"; Shamus "Houseboat Hannah"
    05-13-1914 - Joe Louis (The Brown Bomber) - Lafayette, AL - d. 4-12-1981
    heavyweight boxing champ: "Fred Allen Show"; "Freedom's People"
    05-13-1915 - Ruth Doering Reynolds - Chicago, IL
    singer: (Doring Sisters) "Contented Hour"
    05-13-1928 - Nils-Bertil Dahlander - Gothenburg, Sweden
    composer, drummer: "Thore Ehrling Radio Band"
    05-13-1938 - Anna Cropper - Brierfield, England - d. 1-22-2007
    actor: "Sherlock Holmes"

    May 13th deaths

    01-24-1913 - Gwen Bagni - d. 5-13-2001
    writer: "Suspense"; "Family Theatre"; "Escape"
    02-27-1902 - Gene Sarazen - Harrison, NY - d. 5-13-1999
    golf legend: "Tops in Sports"
    03-05-1922 - Robert Burr - Jersey City, NJ - d. 5-13-2000
    actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
    03-06-1905 - Bob Wills - Limestone County, TX - d. 5-13-1975
    western singer: (Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys) "Rexall Rhythm
    Round-Up"
    04-22-1939 - Jason Miller - NYC - d. 5-13-2001
    playwright: "Earplay"
    05-30-1896 - Whispering Jack Smith - The Bronx, NY - d. 5-13-1950
    singer: "Whispering Jack Smith"
    07-24-1875 - Frank Moulan - NYC - d. 5-13-1939
    comedian: "Roxy and His Gang"
    08-16-1904 - Ruth Gillette - Chicago, IL - d. 5-13-1994
    actor: "Theatre Five"
    11-04-1902 - Frank Jenks - Des Moines, IA - d. 5-13-1962
    actor: "The Navy Comes Through"
    12-14-1899 - James Kelly - NYC - d. 5-13-1961
    actor: Mike Clancy "Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost Persons"
    12-23-1924 - Floyd Kalber - Omaha, NE - d. 5-13-2004
    news correspondent: NBC; News Anchor for WMAQ and WLS in Chicago

    Ron

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    Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:59:17 -0400
    From: Herb Harrison <[removed]@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  'American Heritage' magazine: Benny visits the
     troops

    It was 1951, during the Korean war. Jack stops in Okinawa during a show tour
    for US [removed]

    "Suddenly there he was. He walked through the door from the house to the
    porch, saw me sitting there, and came over and sat down right across from me
    [a 12 year old kid]...
    But then I grasped something that helped me years later when I became a
    newspaper reporter and had occasion to talk to a few celebrities. People are
    just people. Their public images do not necessarily reflect their real
    personalities."

    For the rest of the story, see:
    [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:00:16 -0400
    From: Linda Thuringer <nemesisstation@[removed];
    To: OTR List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  NASA and the Lone Ranger

    Charlie was kind enough to help me format this for the list:

    The Lone Ranger rides again--to the Hubble, that [removed]

    [removed]

    Linda Thuringer, proud to be the List's second official Trekkie behind Charlie

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Na, she has stronger ST cred than I do. Looks better in a
    uniform, too.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:00:29 -0400
    From: bobb lynes <iairotr@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Photos at SPERDVAC convention?

    Hi all,

    If you took pictures at the recent SPERDVAC convention and wish to share them
    please send them to our Radiogram editor, Patrick Lucanio at
    radiogram@[removed]

    And thanx to all of you who attended and supported the convention.

    Bobb

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    Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:33:48 -0400
    From: Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR on Wikipedia
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    The "Dilbert" gag was amusing, but actually Wikipedia has a feature
    called the "watchlist" which makes it possible to delete vandalism and
    errors within seconds. This was the case last year when Martin Grams
    attempted to discredit Wikipedia as a reference source by inserting a
    humorous paragraph about Al Jolson's farm into the Wikipedia page on
    "The Lone Ranger" with the intention of correcting it a week later.
    However, whatever point he intended to make quickly evaporated when
    his insertion was deleted within hours by someone who saw it on their
    watchlist.

    Wikipedia is now the third most widely read publication in human
    history, with 100 million visitors a month. It now has more than 370
    profiles of  people associated with OTR:
    [removed]
      These articles could benefit from the expertise and peer review by
    authoritative OTR contributors. To give just one example, more
    biographical details are needed for the profile of Parker Fennelly, a
    page which offers little more than a rundown of his credits:
    [removed]

    Bhob @ [removed]

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    [ADMINISTRIVIA: I need to correct the chronology Mr. Stewart references using
    Wikipedia's own timestamps as well as the Digest server's. On April 8, 2008
    at 12:56, Martin inserted bogus information into the Lone Ranger article. At
    21:13, an additional edit was made to the article, adding an external link,
    modified a minute later. At ~23:30 that date, the Digest was released where
    Martin admitted to making the changes to the Wikipedia article - it can take
    up to an hour for the Digest to be delivered to the majority of non-bouncing
    addresses. It wasn't until 5:05 the morning of the 9th that Martin's changes
    were reverted; one can make the reasonable assumption that the reversion was
    caused not by a "watchlist," but rather by the editor reading Martin's
    admission in the Digest (based solely on the user ID of the corrector, I
    might even make a guess as to the identity of the correction's author). While
    "within hours" is technically accurate, it implies a few, where it was over
    _sixteen hours_ between the posting and the correction, and would likely have
    been much longer had Martin not publically admitted to his vandalism.

       This is pretty simple; no legitimate researcher will use Wikipedia as a
    primary source, regardless the number of page views they claim - it's
    perfectly reasonable as a starting point, so long as one goes at the site
    with a healthy dose of mistrust. And whether you are a proponent of Wikipedia
    or a sceptic, discussion about the veracity of that website is not on-topic
    for the Digest, so this discussion is closed, and for a little while ALL
    references to the website will be rejected just to quiet things down.

       If you _really_ want to argue it out, please let me know and I'll start a
    blog entry to move the argument away from this list.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:34:07 -0400
    From: Michael Berger <[removed]@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  scripting the news
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    I heard a CBS 'news' program for the first time this week. Dated 1944, not
    long before D-Day, it was called Report to the Nation, and it sounded like a
    slightly more professional version of March of Time, with actors playing
    military officers and soldiers from the 'battle front,' and host Quentin
    Reynolds, reading from a prepared script, interviewing fellow journalist John
    Lardner about his experiences as a war reporter. The scripting, of course,
    wasn't unusual during the war. The Office of War Information played a heavy
    background role in making sure 'sensitive' information wasn't aired, and thus
    scripting became a safer way of keeping out of censor [removed] News
    Today, CBS's weekly half hour featuring most of the famed Murrow Boys filing
    from overseas, was heavily scripted as well. The often wooden deliveries of
    not only many reporters from overseas, but the people they occasionally
    interviewed on air, were obviously being read from prepared
     [removed] difference with Report to the Nation was that it was performed in
    front of a live studio audience and an orchestra that provided dramatic
    emphasis when the script called for [removed] Berger

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    Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:34:44 -0400
    From: "Jan Bach" <janbach@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Herb Morrison's Hindenburg recording

    Hello again --

    I've been following the Hindenburg thread that started in the digest last
    week, but either one fact wasn't mentioned or I missed it: While it is true
    that the disaster wasn't broadcasted live, one of the reasons it may sound
    so scripted is that the widely circulated and copied tape made of the
    original disk recording was recorded with the disk running too fast. This
    made all of Morrison's post-disaster comments sound less improvised and more
    glib than they actually were.
    Chuck Schaden set the record straight a few years ago on his Those Were The
    Days program, when he played the tape at the correct speed, and Morrison's
    resultant lower voice sounded slower, less rushed, less panicked, and less
    scripted. I can't remember the logic that led to this change-of-speed
    conclusion, but I know Chuck reads this digest from time to time and may
    wish to contribute his own comments to this ongoing discussion.

    yOurs TRuly,
    Jan Bach

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    Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 12:38:07 -0400
    From: "Mike Harron" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  National Archive

    There was a post recently about someone who had obtained a first gen copy of
    a recording from the National Archive. As I was under the impression that
    once something went in there you might as well forget it, could someone that
    has actually done this let me know what is involved. Either on or off list
    will be fine.
    Many thanks,
    Mike Harron

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