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Date: 2/5/2007 5:13 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2007 : Issue 41
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Items to Ponder                       [ "[removed]@[removed]" <[removed] ]
      Communism and [removed]                [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
      Name Changes                          [ Stuart Lubin <stuartlubin6686@sbcgl ]
      blacklist                             [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      1/2 shows                             [ "EDWARD J. CARR" <edcarr@[removed] ]
      OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK               [ "Jerry Haendiges" <jerryhaendiges@c ]
      Call Letters                          [ Russ Butler <songbook2@[removed]; ]
      Red Menace                            [ "Robert Birchard" <bbirchard@earthl ]
      Re: Red Menace                        [ Brent Pellegrini <brentpl@rocketmai ]
      Red Scare                             [ "Larry Siskind" <lasisk@[removed] ]
      Changing OTR Names                    [ "James Yellen" <clifengr3@[removed] ]
      ADMINISTRIVIA: One more [removed]      [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      Red menace redux                      [ Hal Stone <otrjug@[removed]; ]
      RE: The Lone Ranger's First Name (UN  [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
      Barney Beck                           [ Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed]; ]
      Flash Gordon's Raymond/Marine Patch   [ Melanie Aultman <otrmelanie@[removed] ]

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    Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:21:43 -0500
    From: "[removed]@[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Items to Ponder

    My life will never be complete until little unexplanable  facts are
    finally solved. These are mysteries of situation comedies, some
    detective - police series and some adventure series. I have been
    pondering these situations for years.

    Ozzie & Harriet - 2 boy, nice home, no job & no money problems. Where
    did their money come from?

    Amos & Andy - Amos had a Taxi cab. Andy seldom had a job But dated
    women  King Fish was boss of the lodge  that was broke, married and his
    wife didn't work. They never ate meals.

    Boston Blackie - was he a criminal, or a detective? How did live never
    had a job or stole money?

    Burns & Allen  - George didn't work, but had had a good home and lots of
    friends. only mentioned their show on rare occasions, but no income or
    job. Never seem to want for anything and at one time had a cook or a maid.

    The Cisco & Pancho didn't have gold mine or jobs. They just wander all
    over the west, with no money

    Duffy's Tavern - served bad food  Never seemed to have any customers,
    but tavern did business for yeas and the owner, who had no first name,
    was never there. Archie had no last name. How did it stay open?

    Fibber McGee & Molly - Lived in a nice house, had a bank account, had a
    cook, Beulah, for a while, was member of the Elks Club, and I assume
    they bought food. They lived fairly well on what income? Fibber never
    worked after 1939.

    Matt Cvetic - an under cover spy for the FBI , member of the Communist
    party. Did he have [removed] Did The FBI pay Him? Did the Communist  Party
    Pay him?

     Luigi- had and Antique Shop Did he cver sell any thing?

     Harry Lime, The third Man., He was a con man , but how did he live
    between scores?

    Spave Patrol and Buck Roger Junped from Planet to Planet  and we know
    today It can take years to go a planet. They sure showed how simple it
    was. on Radio.

    These Items have bother me for years  probably because my father use to
    use to ask these questions when I was just a kid. So these things have
    stuck in my mind for over 65 yearsand into the 1950'[removed] Does any one
    have answers?

    Frank McGurn

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    Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:58:48 -0500
    From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Communism and [removed]

    Thanks to the many who contributed to my question about Communism on radio.
    I will copy all your remarks and save them.  It seems that in the 1950s if
    you wanted to really hurt someone, you just called him a Communist or a Red.
    Sen. Joseph McCarthy failed in his attempt to expose Communists in the Army.
    I have a recording of Sen. Karl Mundt (R. SD) talking about the Communists,
    but he calls them "Common-ists."  Mundt sent these ETs to South Dakota radio
    stations to keep the public informed on his work in Congress.  I think that
    may be the same program on which he interviews J. Edgar Hoover, head of the
    FBI.

    Ted Kneebone / 1528 S. Grant St. / Aberdeen, SD 57401
    [removed]~stmarkch/

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    Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 21:59:12 -0500
    From: Stuart Lubin <stuartlubin6686@[removed];
    To: Time Radio Digest Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Name Changes

    Here are a couple more for you, Derek:  Jeff Chandler, before he
    was Mr. Boynton, went under the name Ira (Last name began with a
    G, such as Grosell, or something very much like that). When
    Portia Faces Life announcer, George Putnam, came to Los Angeles
    to do television news, after radio died, he had to change his
    name because there was, and still is, a radio and television
    personality by the same name.  So, he changed it to George
    Arthur.  If I am wrong about the first name, Jim Cox can help
    because we have had this discussion quite awhile ago, but not on
    the Digest.

    Stuart

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    Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:07:04 -0500
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  blacklist

>     [ADMINISTRIVIA: This discussion will continue only so long as it remains
>     civil.  --cfs3]

    Good idea.

    I think that it's worth noting that the McCarthy Era coincided with the end
    of OTR.  Many good writers and artists had to hide from the fury of the
    Communist-hunters, and so the simple music shows that succeeded network
    dramas on radio must have seemed lots safer and cheaper.

    M Kinsler

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    Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:08:09 -0500
    From: "EDWARD J. CARR" <edcarr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  1/2 shows
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    hi
    i believe i asked this before, if not great, i have a number of 1/2 shows
    (16in discs) of "skippy hollywood theater"
    does anyone on this list have, or know some one who may have the same so we
    can get together
    thanks
    ed carr@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:05:40 -0500
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    Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK

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    Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:06:17 -0500
    From: Russ Butler <songbook2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Call Letters

    Lee Munsick's post on the OTR Digest reminds me of the call letters of some
    experimental radio stations, [removed]  W3XDD and W8XNU  before they had their
    official call assigned by the government, or it could be for amateur "ham"
    stations with the number following the "W" or "K" preface letter. The station
     "Z" (ZNS) is the call for an AM radio station in The Bahamas at
    810, 1240 and 1540AM frequencies to cover the islands  I'm sure
    others on the Digest will be more specific.

    =Russ Butler  songbook2@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:06:39 -0500
    From: "Robert Birchard" <bbirchard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Red Menace
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        I would merely remind Brian Johnson that it is Fredric March (not
    Frederic), Orson Welles (not Wells), and Katharine Hepburn (not Katherine)

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    Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:07:31 -0500
    From: Brent Pellegrini <brentpl@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Red Menace

    Regarding Brian Johnson's essay on the Red Menace and Hollywood I have a question.
    I've always understood that we have freedom of religion in the United States. I always wondered if
    this notion of freedom  carried over to political thoughts and preference. I'm pretty ignorant
    about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I grew up just assuming that I had freedom of
    anything. In other words, does the Constitution give us the freedom to follow whatever political
    theory or system we choose?
    Back in the McCarthy era, was it illegal to be a communist? Was there a law on the books? If not,
    I never understood why they could go after the Hollywood guys (or my father for that matter:do a
    google search for "Canwell" + angelo pellegrini)

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    Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:31:43 -0500
    From: "Larry Siskind" <lasisk@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Red Scare

    In response to Brian Johnson opinion of the Red Scare, I lived
    through it and remember that people who expressed unpopular ideas
    or defended those who were falsely accused of being "communist",
    were themselves labelled "communists" or "dupes".  Walter
    Winchell in his radio show on more than one occasioned claimed
    that anyone who was critical of J Edgar Hoover was playing into
    the hands of the Nation's enemies. As an example of the hysteria
    of the time let me share this with you. When I  was about 15  I
    bought a copy of the " Communist Daily Worker"  and placed it on
    my uncle's desk without him knowing it.  I did it as a joke. I
    later confronted him with the paper in his possession and accused
    him of being a communist. He was horrified, didn't know how the
    paper got there and asked me not to tell anyone.  Today a
    reaction like that could never happen.   As a liberal, I loathed
    Senator McCarthy's methods but I equally loathed the evils of
    Soviet Russia.  History proved that  there were Soviet spies in
    the [removed] and that they delivered atom bomb secrets to Russia.  A
    listener today hearing Dana Andrews in "I Was A Communinist For
    the FBI" would laugh and call the stories far  fetched as many
    were; however, a student of communism would find that during the
    1920's and 1930's  and later in Eastern Europe, "good" communists
    were murdered by their own party because of "failure" or because
    of intraparty intrigue.    After World War 2 and with the onset
    of the Cold War, The American Communist Party rapidly declined.
    When Stalin died in 1953 his successors lost control of the [removed]
    party. Many former members of the party, some of whom I later
    met, were not traitors to this country. They hated Capitalism and
    were very much influenced by the evils of the Depression and of
    racism. The Party fought both.  That was why they were
    communists.  Under our constitution people have the right to hold
    and express unpopular ideas and join unpopular groups as long as
    they are not involved in violent or unlawful acts. The bottom
    line was that many people, communists and non-communists,  were
    persecuted because of their beliefs and because of  whom they
    associated with, not for illegal acts.

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    Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:31:51 -0500
    From: "James Yellen" <clifengr3@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Changing OTR Names

    How about Myron Wallace aka Mike Wallace.

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    Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 09:59:44 -0500
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  ADMINISTRIVIA: One more [removed]

    Folks;

       After reading the comments sent to the list regarding the Cold War (all of
    which have been civil, BTW), I want to ask anyone interested in commenting to
    please avoid all references to contemporary issues. I want to keep the
    discussion focused firmly on the topic, and avoid it breaking down into an
    argument about current foreign policy.

       I realize I'm managing this retroactively, and I apologize to those
    posters who received a reject this morning because of this, but I really want
    us to discuss this reasonably. Both sides of the debate have something to
    teach us, which can't happen if we end up arguing over the contemporary
    challenges facing us.

             Charlie

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    Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 10:35:24 -0500
    From: Hal Stone <otrjug@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Red menace redux

    On the current thread (topic) re: communism in the entertainment
    [removed] Charlie (you all know which one) [removed]

>     "[ADMINISTRIVIA: This discussion will continue only so long as it remains
>     civil.

    I will try very hard to keep it polite and civil, but it is going to be very
    difficult. Having lived through that period, and having worked with many of
    the great Americans that Howard Blue demonizes in his book as having been
    involved in the unmasking of Communists sympathizers and activists among New
    York radio actors, I was very impressed with Brian Johnson's "unmasking" of
    the facts.

    Soviet Communism was a real threat to this country following WW II.
    I have no patience with those who can't comprehend the real need for
    patriotic activists to combat that insidious threat to our way of life.

    Brian Johnson's piece was was masterful.

>     Howard Blue (and others) seem to be lost in the "romanticism" of the
>     Hollywood blacklist era. The problem with such an outlook (dare I say,
>     seen through "rose-colored" glasses) ignores the fact that the American
>     Communist Party was directly controlled by the Soviets and that Hollywood
>     was awash with CPUSA activists. After Boris Yeltsin opened up the files of
>     the old Soviet Union and the US government's declassification of the Venona
>     project, there is just too much historical evidence to allow that view to
>     continue to be expressed uncontested. There were A LOT of active Communists
>     in Hollywood in those days and their allegiance lay with Joseph Stalin.
>     They were NOT just "political progressives." The war against Communism,
>     though it may not have been waged fairly on every level, was still a
>     necessity.

    You Go, [removed] the Man!!!!

    Brian ends [removed]

>     We do ourselves a disfavor when we rewrite history or ignore real threats to
>     make cheap political points.

    May my dear friends Vinton Hayworth, Dwight Wiest, and others rest easy in
    their graves knowing that they fought the good fight, and there are some of
    us still around that will defend their actions against those misguided
    individuals who write books maligning them, and who fail to understand, or
    are unwilling (or incapable) of acknowledging, that their principal
    motivation was unabashed patriotism, and their legitimate [removed]
    defending democracy against a very real threat.

    I did my part in the military during the Korean War. They fought the battle
    on the home front.

    Hal"Jughead"Stone

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    Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:41:49 -0500
    From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE: The Lone Ranger's First Name
     (UNCLASSIFIED)

    Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED
    Caveats: NONE

    A while back, there was a thread on the list discussing Bill Conrad, as Matt
    Dillon, walking into a bar and saying, "Hello, John," and the meaning of that
    greeting. I thinik it's obvious that he was saying 'hello' to The Lone
    Ranger.

    [removed]
    Classification:  UNCLASSIFIED
    Caveats: NONE

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    Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 16:19:35 -0500
    From: Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Barney Beck
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    And I think Barney Beck also did "Bobby Benson And His B-Bar-B Riders" over
    WOR in New York.

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    Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 19:10:15 -0500
    From: Melanie Aultman <otrmelanie@[removed];
    To: OTRDIGEST <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Flash Gordon's Raymond/Marine Patch
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    According to At Ease  Reminisce Books l996, pg 130:

      (by Carl Crumpton, Topeka Kansas)
      "When I was a boy in Ogden, Kansas during the'30s, my hero was the intrepid
    Flash Gordon.  So imagine my surprise and delight years later when Alex
    Raymond--the creator of Flash Gordon--joined my unit, Marine Torpedo Bombing
    Squadron EMTB-143, which flew from the escort carrier USS Gilbert Islands.

      Captain Raymond was the combat artist for our flight group, assigned to
    paint pictures of life in a Marine Air Group flying from an aircraft carrier.
    A true gentleman, he often allowed us to watch him work.

      We were one of the few squadrons to have two distinctly different patches
    during World War II.  Alex Raymond created the second one for us in l945.
    (picture)"

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