Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #380
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 10/19/2003 10:09 AM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 380
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      New FOTR Guest                        [ Zharold138@[removed] ]
      OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK               [ "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed] ]
      Re: Lunch/Supper/Dinner               [ Kcpymurphy@[removed] ]
      "Academy Award Theater: The Maltese   [ GOpp@[removed] ]
      Lunch/Supper/Dinner                   [ BH <radioguy@[removed]; ]
      one man's family                      [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
      Re: Johnny Dollar                     [ "Brian L Bedsworth" <az2pa@[removed]; ]
      burgers on bread                      [ Michael Berger <intercom1@attglobal ]
      zero hour, two things                 [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
      Take Me Out To The ...                [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      10-20 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      when i was a boy--                    [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
      Re: OTR language idioms               [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      Regonal Differences                   [ "RBB" <oldradio@[removed]; ]
      Wonderful Smith Deadeye's partner     [ "Hoosierwood" <hoosierwood@onemain. ]
      Re: Language and regional difference  [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:03:00 -0400
    From: Zharold138@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  New FOTR Guest

        Hi Anyone,
      I attended a "Fibber McGee and Molly" recreation in Peoria about two months
    ago which Leo Jordan (Fibber's nephew) started. The announcer on the program
    ,I found out latter that night at the actor's cast party , had worked at WXYZ
    in Detroit on the "Lone Ranger" program from 1950 to 1953 as a soundman (now
    "sound person") so I got his name and called him the next day and we talked
    about his days there and being friends with Fred Foy then I told him about the
    FOTR convention coming next week and he became interested in coming so I
    contacted Jay Hickerson and now he will appear at the convention on the WXYZ
    panel
    ,on the "Lone Ranger" as "Tonto",and on another recreation.
        I was really excited in finding someone "new" for the convention as radio
    personnel are becoming hard to find as time goes by.
        I'm looking forward to the convention next week and finally meeting Paul
    Carnegie and watch him perform.
                                Till Next Time,Harold Zeigler

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:49:22 -0400
    From: "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK

    Hi friends

    Come an join us for the first of our two-part Halloween special

    Here is this week's line-up for the week of 10-12-03 on my Olde Tyme Radio
    [removed] Featuring Tom Heathwood's "Heritage Radio Theatre," Big John
    Matthews and Steve Urbaniak's "The Glowing Dial" and my own "Same Time, Same
    Station" broadcasts, being broadcast on demand 24/7 in high quality
    streaming RealAudio at [removed]

    Past archived broadcasts are also available there.

    We look forward to seeing you there!

    	Jerry

    Here's this week's lineup:

    SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges

    Halloween Special - Part 1

    THE LIFE OF RILEY
    Episode 42  10-29-44  "The Halloween Haunted House"
    Stars: William Bendix as Riley

    DR. CHRISTIAN  25
    Episode 362  10-31-45  "Sterling Silver"
    Stars: Jean Hersholt and Rosemary De Camp

    SEALTEST VARIETY THEATER
    "The Dorothy Lamour Show"
    Episode 7  10-28-48  "Boris Karloff's Halloween Party"
    Hostess: Dorothy Lamour
    Guests: Boris Karloff, Jack Carson and Peter Leeds

    RADIO CITY PLAYHOUSE
    Episode 58  10-16-49  "Duet"
    Two eerie stories:
    "The Lake" by Ray Bradbury
    "Collector's Item" by Roald Dahl
    ---------------------------------------------------

    HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood

    Halloween Special

    ESCAPE
    CBS    3-29-46    First Show
    "Typhoon"
    By: Joseph Conrad
    Stars: Frank Lovejoy

    SPECIAL GUEST TIME
    Tom talks with Thomas J. Shimeld, author of the new book: "Walter B. Gibson
    & The Shadow" who tells some of the interesting secrets about the SHADOW
    radio show and magazines
    --------------------------------------------------

    THE GLOWING DIAL with Big John and Matthews and Steve Urbaniak

    Halloween Special

     The Mercury Theatre On The Air
    "The War Of The Worlds"
    with Orson Welles, Frank Readik, Kenny Delmar
    10/30/1938 - CBS

    Excerpt from Press Conference with Orson Welles the morning after the
    broadcast
    10/31/1938

    Excerpt from an NBC interview
    Orson Welles remembers the broadcast some 40 years later

    Excerpt regarding War Of The Worlds from Theatre Of The Imagination: The
    Story Of The Mercury Theatre
    with Leonard Maltin, John Houseman, Orson Welles, Arlene Francis

    [removed] Wells meets Orson Welles radio interview
    from KTSA, San Antonio, Texas - 10/29/1940

    WKBW's re-creation of The War Of The Worlds
    10/30/1971 - WKBW 1520 AM - Buffalo, New York

    Big John & Steve present their own tongue-in-cheek homage to The War Of The
    Worlds, done Glowing Dial style
    -----------------------------------------------------

    Please feel free to contact me with any questions or requests for upcoming
    shows.

                Jerry Haendiges <Jerry@[removed];

      [removed]  The Vintage Radio Place
      Largest source of OTR Logs, Articles and programs on the Net

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:01:32 -0400
    From: Kcpymurphy@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Lunch/Supper/Dinner
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    George Tirebiter wrote that

>     I've always thought that lunch was a meal taken
>     at midday, supper a meal taken in early evening, but dinner was the main meal
>     of the day no matter when taken.

    That was and still is the same in Southwest Missouri, East Oklahoma and
    Northeast Texas.
    Kacie

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:20:30 -0400
    From: GOpp@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Academy Award Theater: The Maltese Falcon"
     at SPERDVAC

    I wanted to give you all the final cast lineup for the production of "The
    Maltese Falcon" at the SPERDVAC Old-Time Radio Convention Saturday
    Evening Banquet on Saturday, November 8.

    I'm privileged to be directing a tremendous cast of talented
    professionals:

    -- Playing Sam Spade (Humphrey Bogart) will be Tony Pope (a talented
    voice actor who does a wonderful Humphrey Bogart  (Spielberg used him as
    Bogart on his "Tiny Toons" animated series).

    -- Playing Kaspar Gutman (Sidney Greenstreet) will be Harold Gould
    (Rhoda's father, Mr. Morgenstern, on "Rhoda," and co-star of such films
    as "The Sting" and this year's "Freaky Friday").

    -- Playing Joel Cairo (Peter Lorre) will be Elliott Reid (who, in
    addition to starring in such classic radio shows as "Escape: Three
    Skeleton Key," has movie and TV credits that include the prosecutor in
    "Inherit the Wind," private detective "Ernie Malone" in "Gentlemen Prefer
    Blondes," and Edward R. Murrow on "I Love Lucy").

    -- Playing Brigid O'Shaughnessy (Mary Astor) will be Shirley Mitchell
    (another prolific radio performer, who was also Lucy Ricardo's girlfriend
    "Marion Strong" on "I Love Lucy," and a regular on such shows as
    "Bachelor Father" and "The Real McCoys").

    -- Playing the gunman, Wilmer Cook (Elisha Cook, Jr.) will be longtime
    CBS sportscaster Gil Stratton (who, in addition to acting in too many
    radio shows to mention, was marvelous as the narrator, "Cookie," in
    "Stalag 17")

    -- Playing Detective Tom Polhaus (Ward Bond) will be Frank Aletter (star
    of the TV series "Bringing Up Buddy" and "It's About Time" and co-star of
    "The Cara Williams Show").

    -- Playing Detective Lieutenant Dundy (Barton McLane) will be our own Hal
    "Jughead" Stone of "Archie Andrews" fame.

    -- Playing Sam Spade's Partner, Miles Archer (Jerome Cowan) will be
    Steven Schatzberg (another talented voice actor, whose credits include
    the singing voice of "Piglet" in Disney's "Winnie the Pooh" movies).

    -- Playing Sam Spade's Secretary, Effie Perine (Lee Patrick) will be Lea
    Vernon.

    -- Our announcer will be the inimitable Gary Owens.

    -- Sound effects will be provided by veteran CBS sound effects man Bob
    Mott.

    Convention details (and a registration form for reservations) can be
    found at [removed]

    - Gregg Oppenheimer

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 02:02:07 -0400
    From: BH <radioguy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Lunch/Supper/Dinner

    George Tirebiter says:

>     I've always thought that lunch was a meal taken at midday, supper a meal
>     taken in early evening, but dinner was the main meal of the day no matter
>     when taken.

    When I was growing up on the farm it was breakfast (eaten just before
    early moring chores), dinner (when we came in at noon from working to
    eat and listen to Paul Harvey on the radio), and supper( when we came in
    again and just before we took a bath),  in that order for all meals.
    Lunch is what city folks ate and the word just did not conjure up
    pictures of much of a meal. And just where does one 'take' a bath and
    what do you do with it when you get it there?

    BH

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:32:57 -0400
    From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  one man's family

    So how many shows of One Man's Family are available on MP3?  Thank you.
    Kurt

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:33:27 -0400
    From: "Brian L Bedsworth" <az2pa@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Johnny Dollar

    On Sat, 18 Oct 2003, "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; submitted the
    following report on the Trans-Pacific Import-Export Matter:

>     I heard one Johnny Dollar audition show for the Transpacific Matter.
>     Because it was an audition show there seems to have only been one.  Is
>     this true and were there ever other shows?  It sounded like an
>     interesting story.  Thanks in advance.  Kurt

    Yes, this was a one-off audition for the 15-minute daily serialized version
    of the Johnny Dollar program, a revival that brought the character back after
    a year in Cancellationland.

    The audition starred radio's best-remembered Phillip Marlowe, Gerald Mohr,
    but Dollar's action-packed expense account wouldn't stretch far enough to
    cover Marlowe's fee, so Bob Bailey was tapped for the role when the series
    actually began as a sustainer in October, 1955.

    Surprisingly, with only occasional exceptions and despite the show's high
    quality in this format, the daily with Bailey would not garner a sponsor and
    would only last through November of the following year, when it would return
    to a weekly Sunday half-hour until the day OTR "died" in 1962.

    Addendum: Since the audition show =was= a one-off and never intended for air,
    there were no further parts produced.

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:33:46 -0400
    From: Michael Berger <intercom1@[removed];
    To: otr <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  burgers on bread
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    When I was a kid in the 40s, my Mom used to make hamburger sandwiches once in
    a while for my school lunch; between two slices of bread with ketchup and a
    tomato and sliced diagonally for easy chomping. My mouth is watering!

    Michael Berger

    Please reply to: intercom1@[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:34:21 -0400
    From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  zero hour, two things

    I have noticed two things about Zero hour.  First, on the stereo FM
    broadcasts the cast list is more extensive.  Second, I am listening to
    one of the novels, Blessing's Way.  The narrator is doing his narrating
    on the left side, the car door openws and the feet are walking on the
    right side.  This has happened a couple of times in the show I am
    listening to.  I don't know if this is a mistake or not, but it seems to
    me that the action should be coming out of the same speaker as the person
    is narrating from.  It is a little thing, but just something I noticed.
    Kurt

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:34:45 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Take Me Out To The ...

    Speaking of regionalisms, one that surprised me concerned tonsorial
    artistic activities.  When I was in college, one of my friends, who was a
    New York City native told me one day that he was going to "take a
    haircut."

    I'd never heard the expression before.  "Getting" a haircut seemed more
    natural than "taking" one.  ("I'm going to the barbershop.  I need a
    haircut," would have been the way I'd have put it.)  About a month
    afterwards, I was shown a comic book that announced a forthcoming story.
    Its title?  "The day Clark Kent took as haircut."

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:34:55 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  10-20 births/deaths

    October 20th births

    10-20-1882 - Bela Lugosi - Lugos, Hungary - d. 8-16-1956
    actor: "Crime Does Not Pay"
    10-20-1895 - Rex Ingram - Cairo, IL - d. 9-19-1965
    actor: "Free World Theatre"
    10-20-1910 - Arlene Francis - Boston, MA - d. 5-31-2001
    panelist, actress: "What"s My Line"; Ann Scotland,"Affairs of Ann Scotland"
    10-20-1911 - Will Rogers, Jr. - NYC - d. 7-9-1993
    actor: Will Rogers "Rogers of the Gazette"
    10-20-1913 - "Grandpa" Jones - Niagra, KY - d. 2-19-1998
    country singer, banjoist: "Grand Ole Opry"
    10-20-1913 - Barney Phillips - St. Louis, MO - d. 8-17-1982
    actor: Ed Jacobs "Dragnet"; Somber Jones "Hawk Larabee"; "Gunsmoke"
    10-20-1922 - John Anderson - Clayton, IL
    actor: William Clark "Horizons West"

    October 20th deaths

    05-18-1908 - Ted Malone - Colorado Springs, CO - d. 10-20-1989
    commentator: "Between the Bookends"; "Pilgrimage of Poetry"
    05-30-1891 - Ben Bernie - Bayonne, NJ - d. 10-20-1943
    bandleader: (The Old Maestro) "Ben Bernie Orchestra"; "Musical Mock Trial"
    07-24-1890 - Basil Ruysdael - Jersey City, NJ - d. 10-20-1960
    announcer: "Beggar"s Bowl"; "Your Hit Parade"; "Cavalcade of America"
    11-02-1913 - Burt Lancaster - NYC - d. 10-20-1994
    actor: "Ford Theatre"; "The Lux Radio Theatre"
    11-07-1883 - Solomon Lightfoot Michaux - Newport News, VA - d. 10-20-1968
    preacher: "Elder Michaux"s Happiness Church Service"
    11-29-1917 - Merle Travis - Muhlenberg County, KY - d. 10-20-1983
    singer, guitarist: "Hollywood Barn Dance"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:39:57 -0400
    From: Jer51473@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  when i was a boy--
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    in the forties, i lived in and still do live in [removed] We called soft drinks
    "drinks", but the black people called them "sodas". Why a difference, i have
    never figured out. The yankees that came down from time to time called them
    "soda
    pops". We didnt go to the movies, but went to the "show". I think the black
    people said "picture show". The only time we ever ate "dinner" was on sundays
    around one oclock. All other days we ate "lunch" at mid day and the evening
    meal was always "supper". Sunday dinner was almost always fried chicken and we
    almost never ate fried chicken on any day but sunday. We never had iced tea
    until warm weather came in around late may. This also was our signal that we
    could
    start going barefooted and we did so until the fall except for certain
    exceptions such as church, parties, funerals ;.When cool weather returned, no
    more
    iced tea as it was back to milk or hot tea until the next late  spring. I do
    think we stopped calling soft drinks "drinks" when liquor by the drink made
    its
    way into va in the sixties, i think. Then " lets go have a drink" became
    confusing. I still refer to soft drinks as "drinks", i guess because in my
    home a
    "drink" seldom means anything else.

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:23:30 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: OTR language idioms

    Considering Kenneth Clark's pairing of words like Pantry/Cabinet,
    Breakfront/Buffet, Trash/Garbage, Blackboard/Chalkboard, Highboy/Armoire,
    Supper/Dinner, etc, leads me to one that her hear around here in Kentucky
    referring to a set of furniture for a room like a living room or a bed
    room: Suite/Suit.  I grew up in the New York area always hearing it as a
    Living Room Suite, pronounced "sweet."  Yet around here it is pronounced
    "soote" but in ads is still spelled "Suite".  But I have got to admit that
    a matched set of furniture--like a matched set of clothing--is better
    termed as a "suit".  But they don't spell it that way when it concerns
    furniture, they just pronounce it that way.  In real estate and in hotels
    they describe a multi-room area as a suite.  How did a matched set of
    furniture come by this designation instead of suit?  Considering that
    language archeologists have been saying for some time that the Appalachian
    area has preserved some of the language that was spoken in Elizabethan
    times, has anybody spotted this use of a suit of furniture in any OTR
    broadcast???

    Michael (dern furriner) Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:24:39 -0400
    From: "RBB" <oldradio@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Regonal Differences

    <<Chris Holm related his regional difference for "pop" not "coke" in
    [removed];>>

    In Massachusetts, "pop" is called "tonic" for any carbonated soft drink,
    bottled or canned.  Pepsi, Coca-Cola (and other cola drinks) are referred to
    as "coke."  A "soda" (or "so-der") is made with a squirt of flavor syrup,
    (like raspberry, strawberry, cherry, lime, vanilla, etc.) crushed ice and
    carbonated water.  Then there is a soda drink made with syrup (chocolate or
    vanilla) a splash of cream,  no ice and filled with a stream of carbonated
    water which produced a bubble froth on top.  An "ice cream soda?" - add a
    scoop of ice cream, cream or milk and a syrup flavor with a squirt of
    carbonated water.

    Also, around Boston ("Bahs-ten") Harbour ("harr-bah"), you'd order a
    "frappe" -  prononced F-rap, (like "trap"),  not fra-pay - which is a milk
    shakes with a scoop or two of ice cream, milk and syrup all blended together
    (this is not a "cabinet," a "malted," or a "milk shake").  A "float" is a
    "frappe" with one scoop of ice cream floating on top of the glass rim, not
    blended with the syrup and milk. (Ah, there was so much to do taking orders
    working behind the soda fountain after school at the teen canteen!)

    In the Midwest, people said that fruit and vegetables were "fresh up" from
    the farm to the market.  Of course, my Boston accent was a distinct,
    regional difference saying "mahr-khet", which was not a good "eye-deer" if
    you wanted to be understood on the radio. I still don't say "dollar"
    ("darh-ler") correctly, but my wife gets a kick out of hearing that accent.

    I'm wondering how network radio announcers, from different regions around
    the country, learned to lose their local accents, or how actors picked up
    character dialects for radio scripts.  Thoughts?

    Russ Butler  oldradio@[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:04:58 -0400
    From: "Hoosierwood" <hoosierwood@[removed];
    To: "group OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Wonderful Smith Deadeye's partner

>     Can anyone help me find copies of broadcasts featuring Wonderful Smith?

    Is Wonderful Smith still alive? He can be seen in "This is Spinal Tap" when
    the band gets lost in under the stage. He did a film in 1994. I would like
    to know more about his time with Red Skelton.

    [removed]

    I Dood It
    Red Skelton Scrapbook web page [removed]
    Mark Kratzner Anderson, IN

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:06:22 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Language and regional [removed]

    Chris Holm pointed out just how screwed up Washington DC is when he noted;

>     When I moved to Michigan from DC six years ago, two things about
>     the regional language really stood out. First, everyone used the word
>     "pop", when every sensible person knows it's called "coke". It doesn't
>     matter what you're drinking, it's a coke

    You have discovered a problem that advertisers have been wrestling with for
    over a century, the generic-izing of their valuable trademark.  While on
    one hand the Coca-Cola people might like the idea of Coke being served more
    often then expected because people are not asking for Pepsi, they have a
    huge stake in not losing the exclusive use of their trademark because it
    has become the generic word for the overall product.  They've already lost
    the exclusive use of the word cola.  The Xerox Corporation constantly runs
    ads in broadcasting trade press reminding people not to use the word Xerox
    as a noun or a verb unless specifically referring to a machine made by and
    branded with the Xerox trademark.  It is a photocopy or electrostatic copy,
    not a xerox.  Similarly, there are product investigators travelling around
    the country going into stores and restaurants making sure that they are
    served Coca-Cola brand product when they ask for a Coke.  Ask for a "coke"
    in a restaurant that you know to use only Pepsi product, and maybe you'll
    see what I mean.  If they have been either properly trained or previously
    slapped with a lawsuit, they will ask you "Is Pepsi OK?"  Likewise if you
    go into a place that serves only Coke and ask for a "pepsi".  And woe be
    unto a restaurant that refills a Heinz ketchup bottle with something other
    than Heinz brand ketchup.  They ARE out there checking.

>     - Coca-Cola is a coke, orange soda is a coke, root beer is a coke,
>     Pepsi-Cola is a coke.

    This goes further than anything I have ever heard before.  If you want an
    orange soda, how in the world would you expect to get it if you ask a
    waitress for a coke????????????   Orange coke?????????  Since we now have
    Cherry Coke and Vanilla Coke, if you ask for an orange coke, you are liable
    to get a mixture of orange syrup and a Coca-Cola.  I know that [removed] is a
    very mixed up area.  Leaving asinine politics aside, I learned in my first
    trip to [removed] back in the mid-1950s that they put mayonnaise on EVERYTHING.
    Even when you INSISTED on getting something like a hamburger PLAIN, they
    put mayonnaise on it.  Now it seems obvious to me that they probably put
    mayonnaise in their cokes.

    As for the second regionalism that Chris pointed out, the pluralization of
    store names, this is being misunderstood.  They are not making it a plural,
    they are making it a possessive.  It is Wal-Mart's, Blockbuster's Video,
    Best Buy's, etc.  As for the coworker who typed a URL as "[removed]"  it
    indicates not that he is making it plural, but that it is difficult to use
    punctuation in a URL.

    Michael Biel   mbiel@[removed]

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