Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #201
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 5/16/2003 7:41 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 201
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      A Likely Intro to Classical Music     [ Derek Tague <derek@[removed]; ]
      Various Follow-Up Comments            [ Derek Tague <derek@[removed]; ]
      Re: First Family albums               [ Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed] ]
      Re: Robert Stack on Radio             [ Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed] ]
      Re: Green Hornet                      [ "Shawn A. Wells" <swells@[removed] ]
      Brace Beemer Day                      [ "Phil Stallings" <redryder@midwest. ]
      Source for Book bargains on OTR       [ "ellsworth o johnson" <eojohnsonww2 ]
      Reinventing the wheel                 [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      June Carter Cash -- RIP               [ "Joe Cline" <[removed]@[removed] ]
      Sunbeam Bread                         [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
      theater five                          [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
      Red Skelton                           [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      Democratic Political Program          [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      Green Hornet---who is that guy?       [ William Brooks <webiii@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:25:15 -0400
    From: Derek Tague <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  A Likely Intro to Classical Music

    Dear Friends in the Ether:

         Last week here on the Digest, my good buddy Jim Nixon (and several
    others) answered my question about the  Rheingold beer jingle & how it was
    based on "The Student Waltz" by Emile Waldteufel. We had an interesting
    follow-up about it off-list, which I thought made an interesting side-story.
    Here it is below.

    Thanks.

    Derek Tague

    "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed]; wrote:
    Derek-
        Thanks for the compliment.  I would add that what knowledge I have of
    classical music all started with the William Tell Overture however.  Like
    Reg Jones, I became extremely curious about the music used on the program,
    and so began listening to everything classical at a very tender age!  Drove
    my parents nuts.
    Salut!

    - ---- Original Message -----
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <ranger6000@[removed];
    Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 6:38 AM
    Subject: Rheingold

    Jim:

        Please forgive the delay but I'm a few  issues behind w/ the Digest. I
    wanted to personally thank you for answering my nagging question about the
    source of the  Rheingold jingle. Who'd've  ever thunk that your knowledge of
    classical music & cultchuh doesn't  begin & end w/ the "Wm. Tell O'ture" :)

    Ether!

    DT

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    Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:09:55 -0400
    From: Derek Tague <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Various Follow-Up Comments

    Hi Gang:

    Re: ARTHUR GODFREY:

        With all this talk about Arthur Godfrey, I'm surprised we haven't heard
    from my buddy Lee Munsick, "the Sage of  Appomatox."
        Incidentally, all you programmers of OTR (whether via radio, satellite, or
    Internet streaming),  I just want to remind you that the centennial
    anniversary of Mr. Godfrey's birth occurs sometime this coming August. [Supply
    us with a date, please, Ron "Mr. Birthday" Sayles]. I just hope that Arthur
    Godfrey, whom A&E Biography dubbed "Broadcasting's Forgotten Pioneer," will
    garner just as much attention as did Bing Crosby's 100th birthday did a couple
    of week-ends ago.

    Re: PAUL HARVEY's "THE REST OF THE STORY"

        I have 3 paperbacks, which were issued in the late 1970s & early 1980s,
    each containing 100 stories  from the "TROTS" series. The author listed on all
    three is Harvey's son Paul Aurandt. The books are called "Paul Harvey's 'The
    Rest of the Story,'" "More Paul Harvey's 'The Rest of the Story,'" and
    "Destiny" [I forgot the third one's subtitle, but believe "Rest of the Story"
    is contained therein].  Harvey also issued  a  book full of humorous anecdotes
    from his sub-feature "For What It's Worth" (also the name of the collection).
        The only other book I know BY Paul Harvey is   the virulent anti-Communist
    title "Autumn of Liberty" from circa 1954.

    Re: SUPER SUDS:

        The Spike Jone & His City Slickers tune that includes the "Super Suds"
    jingle (which Martin Grams, Jr., alluded to) is their version of Jack Benny's
    theme song "Love in Bloom." This version includes "samples" from other earlier
    Spike Jones hits & ends, somewhat anti-climactically, with  the Super Suds
    jingle.

    Re: NORMAN CORWIN'S 1944 DEMOCRAT/FDR RALLY BROADCAST:

        Would Prof. Biel or Prof. Yoggy or Col. Tollin tell us the story about
    Jimmy Durante's  slot  being filled by some badly played organ music  at the
    conclusion of the rally, which  sounded so bad, it prompted potential voters
    to turn off their radios & not listen to the following  [removed] broadcast? I
    would try to recount it myself, but  think such a monumental  re-telling
    requires the services of an OTR historian in the McLeodian mold [Elizabeth?].

    Yours in the ether--

    Derek Tague

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    Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:15:47 -0400
    From: Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: First Family albums

    Patrick asked

>     Can anyone trade for, sell me a copy of this [First
>     Family album] on mp3 or cassette?

    Both volume 1 and 2 of the First Family ablums are available on CD at
    your corner music store or on the internet at [removed] or
    [removed]. com or your favorite online site.

    Gerry Wright
    ZoneZebra Productions
    San Francisco

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    Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:15:26 -0400
    From: Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Robert Stack on Radio

    Mark wondered about appearances of Robert Stack on radio. Here is a list
    of shows that I could find.

    COMMAND PERFORMANCE

    09-20-49 -- 393
    CELESTE HOLM, Jerry Hilliard, Robert Stack

    FAMILY THEATER

    12-01-48 -- 94
    World With A Fence
    Frank Lehey (Notra Dame Coach), Robert Stack, Richard Webb, Gloria Blondell

    02-22-50 -- 158
    Spy, The
    Jack Grayson, Robert Stack, Lilian Biaff

    07-18-51 -- 229
    House Where Time Stopped, The
    Leo McCleary, Ann Blythe, Robert Stack

    10-29-52 -- 291
    These Thy Gifts
    Gene Lockhart, Robert Stack

    02-11-53 -- 305
    Indispensable Man, The
    Lisa Gaye, Robert Stack, Debra Padget

    03-25-53 -- 311
    Round Trip
    Jack Bailey, Ann Blythe, Robert Stack

    07-01-53 -- 325
    Longest Hour, The
    Loretta Young, Robert Stack, Gene Lockhart

    02-17-54 -- 358
    Different Drummer, The
    Jeanette MacDonald, Robert Stack

    07-06-55 -- 428
    Today Is Sunday
    Jeanne Crain, Robert Stack

    08-31-55 -- 436
    Big One, The
    Robert Stack, Cecil Kelloway

    LUX RADIO THEATER

    01-16-50 -- 685
    Mister Belvedere Goes To College
    Clifton Webb, Coleen Gray, Robert Stack

    09-21-54 -- 889
    So Big
    Ida Lupino, Robert Stack

    SCREEN GUILD THEATER

    04-20-52 -- 518
    Bachelor Mother
    Ann Sothern, Robert Stack

    STARS IN THE AIR

    01-31-52 -- 8
    It Started With Eve
    Charles Cobourn, Vanessa Brown, Robert Stack

    Gerry Wright
    ZoneZerbra Productions
    San Francisco

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    Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:16:07 -0400
    From: "Shawn A. Wells" <swells@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Green Hornet

    Greetings!
    These couple of shows explains a few things:

    11/4/47 # 831 Graft Crosses A Bridge
    11/11/47 # 832 Too Hot To Handle
    9/10/46 # 771 Death In The Dark
    9/24/46 # 773 Underwater Adventure

    I can't recall which ones specifically, but it's in two of these four. The
    story revolved around Britt's Dad hiring a lady to investigate his son, or
    something to that effect. Anyway, she finds out that he is the Hornet, and
    eventually they both tell his dad. Also, you learn about the connection
    between the Hornet (Reid Family in general) and the Lone Ranger.
    Thanks
    Shawn

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    Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:16:42 -0400
    From: "Phil Stallings" <redryder@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Brace Beemer Day
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    As some of you know, May 3rd was our first Annual Brace Beemer/Lone Ranger
    Cheerios Breakfast here in Mt. Carmel - the birthplace of Brace Beemer.  With
    little time and money to work with this year it still was a success.
    Hadley's, a local cafe, gave up their Saturday morning business and hosted the
    breakfast with General Mills supplying the Cheerios.  Dick Fuss set up a
    display featuring some of his Lone Ranger memorabilia.  He has over 4000 items
    in his collection.  Beemer's third cousin, John Stelzer in the guise of "The
    Old Ranger" told stories of Brace's life and history of the Lone Ranger.
    Everyone got a free mask and a ride in a horse drawn wagon.  Brace's daughter,
    Barbara, conducted the drawing for two bicycles for the kids.

    Plans are under way for a bigger event next year.  Possibly two or three days
    and a live broadcast.  We're working on Brace Beemer Daniel (Brace's Grandson)
    to join us and play the part of the Lone Ranger.

    And, we are still working toward our goal of building a statue of Brace
    Beemer/Lone Ranger here in Mt. Carmel.

    Stay tuned for more exciting news from the birthplace of Brace Beemer.

    Feel free to contact me with any questions and/or suggestions.  Phil Stallings
    redryder@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:23:41 -0400
    From: "ellsworth o johnson" <eojohnsonww2@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Source for Book bargains on OTR
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    This bookseller has many bargains on books about OTR. go to:

    [removed]

    and in the search block type:  RADIO and hit enter.

    This is one that I purchased titled  THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF AMERICAN RADIO An A-Z
    guide to Radio from Jack Benny to Howard Stern. published in 1996, 370 pages,
    hardbound, illustrated.

    This is called a publishers remainder---published at $ 60 . Hamiltons price $
    [removed]

    Ellsworth Johnson
    Spokane, Wa

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    Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:23:58 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Reinventing the wheel

    From: Stephen Jansen   ilamfan@[removed]

>     when transcribing a show . . . I'd spent time at the typewriter, hitting
>     the Fast-Forward and Rewind and Play buttons on the cassette
>     deck over and over and over,swearing that "I'll never do THIS again!".
>     Then I got my computer, and OTR on mp3. Night and day! Shrinking
>     the player so it fit in the upper corner of the word processing program,
>     just a single click to hear a sentence, another to pause it, type the
>     sentence, and back again. Learn the keystroke commands for your
>     mp3 player, and you don't even need to touch the mouse!

    Somewhere around 115 years ago just such a mchine was already invented!  It
    was called the Dictating Machine and was designed to be easily used by a
    transcribing typist with foot switches that enabled the typist to start,
    start, and replay short segments with just a tap of a toe.  The reason why
    you are so amazed at the ease of transcribing from an MP3 is that you have
    been unnessarily doing it the hard way by using an ordinary cassette
    machine instead of one that was designed for the purpose.  If you went to
    an office supply store you could have found one that uses ordinary
    cassettes.  But over the years these machines have also used cylinders,
    grooved belts, magnetic belts, grooved discs, magnetic discs, and tape
    reels, cartridges, and cassettes of all types.

    OTR Tie-In:  ALL of these dictating machine formats have at some time
    somewhere been used for recording radio broadcasts.  Archives go crazy
    trying to maintain or find some of these weird machines to play recordings
    they have on some weird format.  Mention was made a few days ago about some
    WW II propaganda stations and questions as to whether recordings exist of
    them.  Both the [removed] and British governments had monitoring stations and
    published daily written transcripts of important broadcasts from around the
    world.  The British still do this.  In the WW II days these monitoring
    stations used wax cylinder dictating machines to help the transcribers'
    work, but most of the cylinders were routinely shaved and reused daily.
    But there are thousands of these cylinders in the National Archives that
    have not yet been cataloged or dubbed, so it is possible that there might
    be some of these stations recorded on them.  If Les Waffen of the Archives
    is at the ARSC Conference in Phila in two weeks, I'll ask him about these.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:32:10 -0400
    From: "Joe Cline" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  June Carter Cash -- RIP

    June Carter Cash, the last surviving daughter of Mother Maybelle Carter
    (the Original Carter Family) and wife of singer Johnny Cash, passed away
    today of complications of heart surgury. She was seventy-three.

    The original Carters ([removed], Sara, Maybelle) worked at a number of radio
    stations around the country during the thirties, including XERA (I think
    that's right) in Del Rio, Texas, one of the premier high-power Mexican
    stations of that era, before ending their career at WBT in Charlotte in
    1941. After the original act broke up, Maybelle and her daughters, Helen,
    Anita and June, billed as Mother Maybelle & The Carter Sisters worked in
    Knoxville, Tenn. and Richmond, Va. before moving to WSM in Nashville (where
    their guitarist was one Chet Atkins) and the Grand Ole Opry.

    June was a singer, songwriter (Ring Of Fire, a hit for husband-to-be Cash
    in the early sixties), actress and comic. She was considered the equal of
    the Queen of Country Comedy, Minnie Pearl, in the fifties, before she
    studied acting in NYC (at the behest of director Elia Kazan) and rejoined
    her family act.

    June was married to honky-tonk singer Carl Smith in the fifties (their
    daughter is country/rock singer Carlene Carter) before marrying Cash in the
    late sixties. She and Cash appeared in a number of TV series together, and
    June had a featured role in The Apostle, with Robert Duval.

    (Sara and [removed] Carter had two children, Joe and Jeanette, both of whom
    still live near Hiltons, Va. at the old Carter homestead.)

    June was one of the increasingly few peformers of the "super-power"
    stations still around. She will be missed.

    Joe Cline
    Charlotte

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    Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:18:15 -0400
    From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Sunbeam Bread

>     Was Sunbeam
>     more widespread than just Indiana?

     I can remember eating Sunbeam Bread back in the
    fifties when I was a kid in Seattle. There was also a
    large billboard advertising it we use to pass on the
    highway all the time.

                Larry Albert

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    Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:18:49 -0400
    From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  theater five

    In the 60s I used to listen to Theater Five on KGO I think between six
    and 8:30 (yes, five), and then Claud the Magnificent (maybe Jim Dunbar,
    but not sure), from 8:30 to 1030 [removed]  Does anybody know how many Theater
    Five shows there were and how many exist in collections?  My favorate
    shows were The Elevator with Edgar Staley and Flights of Angels with
    Martin Gable, which is one of the saddest shows I can remember and
    others.  It was an interesting show and I was going to the school for the
    blind in California (CSB) and didn't watch TV at all on Saturday nights.
    Anyway, it was a good show and they were always different, so five shows
    every saturday was great.  Kurt

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    Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:19:07 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Red Skelton

>     Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:45:31 -0400
>     From: "Nichole Baxter" <lovingchrist19@[removed];

>     Did he really keep going over his sloted
>     time period all that much and thats why they gave him an hour show?

    It makes a good story, but I don't think the network would give him an
    hour show just for that reason.  I'm sure it had to be because he was
    that popular and merited it.

    My favorite Red Skelton show, oddly enough, is one where Red wasn't
    there.  Apparently Red Skelton was sick for awhile, and other performers
    appeared on his show to substitute.  A commercial video that's out there
    somewhere, called "Red Skelton: The Lost Episodes, Volume II," Ed
    Sullivan plays Clem Kadiddlehopper, Sheriff Deadeye, and Freddy the
    Freeloader.

    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:19:56 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Democratic Political Program

>     Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:46:34 -0400
>     From: chris chandler <chrischandler84@[removed];

>     In the modern day, neither Warner Brothers nor NBC has enough control
>     over Martin Sheen to tell him to shut his trap, but I would have thought
>     back in the '40s, MGM, for example, would have been WAAAAAY too
>     iron-fisted and cautious to allow somebody like Judy Garland onto an
>     undertaking like this.

    You might think that, but remember that Roosevelt and the Democrats were
    the establishment at the time, and there was a war on.  We've seen what a
    foreign crisis can do for the image and job-approval ratings of a
    previously not-very-popular President.  Now imagine that it's much more
    intense, and the President is already very popular.

>     The main difference is apparently that the Dems, in the half-century
>     since this 1944 broadcast, gradually ceded what we now call the wartime
>     'national security' issue to the GOP.

    It wasn't gradually at all.  It happened in the Vietnam War era.  But
    most of it is just public perception.  I saw an opp-ed piece yesterday
    which asserted that the elder Bush cut military expenditures and that
    Clinton increased them, and that most of the smart weapons systems that
    worked so well in Iraq were originated and developed under Clinton.

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    Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:21:23 -0400
    From: William Brooks <webiii@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Green Hornet---who is that guy?
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    As I was reading the digest a couple of days ago I saw that someone
    asked, in the Green Hornet series,who knew the secret identity of the
    Green Hornet. At that same time I was listening to a couple of
    episodes of the Hornet that answered that question.

    In "Graft Crosses a Bridge" 11-4-47 we are told that a new female
    reporter for the Daily Sentinal (Linda Travis) hid in the back seat
    of a car to avoid the crossfire of a gunfight. It turns out this car
    was the Black Beauty, the Hornet's car. Being afraid to be found in
    the car she hunkers down and ends up being transported to the
    Hornet's secret hide-away. There she confronts the Hornet and finds
    out that he is in fact Brit Reed. She then admits to Reed that she is
    really in the employ of Reed's father and that the old man had sent
    her to find out what kind of a man Brit had become. That night Reed
    called his father and asked him to come to him right away.

    During the course of the show Reed convinces Linda that the Hornet is
    really on the side of law and order. With her help the Hornet solves
    the murder of kind old ferry boat owner. She is now absolutely sure
    the Hornet is a good guy and all is well in the world. But
    wait---what about the pending arrival of Brit's father?

    The following show, "Too Hot to Handle" 11-11-47, finds Linda picking
    up the kindly old gentleman (Brit's father Dan) at the train depot
    where he was arriving from the west. She took him to Brit's apartment
    where Brit admits to his father that he is the Green Hornet. The old
    man is dimayed (he had once wanted Brit to offer a reward for the
    capture of the Hornet) but with the help of Linda, Brit convinces
    him that the Hornet is one of the good guys. The old man then asks
    Brit "Who knows you are the Green Hornet". Brit replies, "Kato,
    Linda, and now you". The old man then reflects on how as a youth he
    rode with one of Brit's ancestors to help bring justice in the old
    west. These line are delivered over the William Tell Overture.

    Later in the show the old man, Dan, is having lunch with an old
    friend of his, Jim Higgins, the Police Commish. Higgins tells Dan
    that he is going to resign his position because he son is being
    blackmailed. Dan tells him not to, that he knows who the Green Hornet
    is and that they will help  clear Higgins's son.

    As a slight aside---I could swear the voice of Dan, Brit's father, is
    John Todd, the voice of Tonto on radio. The voice of Jim Higgins
    sounds a lot like Brace Beemer, The Lone Ranger, but I"m not as sure
    of this voice as I am of John Todd's.

    Anyhow, back to our story---The Green Hornet, Kato and Linda are able
    to catch the blackmailer and save the reputation of Jim Higgins and
    his son. The last scene has Higgins thanking Dan and wishing he could
    meet the Green Hornet and thank him. Old Dan laughs and says, maybe
    some day you will.

    So---as of November 11, 1947 ( according to the shows themselves) the
    only people who knew the secret identity of The Green Hornet are:
    BRIT REED (the Hornet himself), KATO (the Hornets faithful valet),
    LINDA TRAVIS (assistant to Dan Reed), and DAN REED (the father of the
    Green Hornet and nephew of the Lone Ranger).

    And now you know" the rest of the story";

    Bill Brooks

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