Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #12
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 1/10/2003 8:12 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 12
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Question about Parley Baer            [ Tedshumaker@[removed] ]
      Re: Real Audio Files                  [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
      Sound Effects                         [ "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed]; ]
      Re: Charges                           [ Udmacon@[removed] ]
      Radio Shows That Charged              [ Udmacon@[removed] ]
      Perry's Radio Actors                  [ otrbuff@[removed] ]
      Admission to Radio Shows              [ otrbuff@[removed] ]
      Perry Mason movie                     [ "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@comc ]
      PT Cruiser                            [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
      Radio Drama Course                    [ greg addington <gregadd@[removed] ]
      Real Audio and mp3                    [ "david rogers" <david_rogers@hotmai ]
      More on Hank's Last Night             [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      Re: Literature on Radio               [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      OTR Stereo                            [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      Soap                                  [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      Peter Tinniswood has died             [ "david rogers" <david_rogers@hotmai ]
      Jimmy Dudley                          [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      Bob Maxwell                           [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      OTR on holiday                        [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
      INNER SANCTUM                         [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Freberg in NYC                        [ Derek Tague <derek@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 17:26:46 -0500
    From: Tedshumaker@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Question about Parley Baer

    A while back someone posted a web site that listed nearly 1000
    OTR shows Parley  appeared in. I lost the web address would someone please
    help me.

    Thanks in advance Ted.

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    Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:14:56 -0500
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Real Audio Files

    Real audio makes a program that will convert RA files to WAV and I think
    MP3. Go to their web site. I have the program here an as soon as I can find
    it, I'll post the name.

    Fred
    [removed]
    for the best in old time radio & TV shows

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    Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:15:49 -0500
    From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Sound Effects

    For ddunfee:  Check the following site for a picture of Howard Culver
    (Straight Arrow) carrying his bride Lois over the threshhold of a sound
    stage door at KHJ Mutual in Hollywood.  You will see the sized down door
    with all the latches, knockers, doorbells etc plus other sound equipment.

    [removed]

    Lois Culver
    KWLK Radio (Mutual) Longview, WA 1941-44
    KFI Radio (NBC) Los Angeles CA 1945-47, 50-53
    Widow of Howard Culver, actor

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    Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 18:57:03 -0500
    From: Udmacon@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Charges

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    The Grand Ole Opry and the WWVA Jamboree charged admission, keeping it low
    for crowd control.

    Remember that these shows were staged, with colorful costumes, scenery and
    square dancers.

    Bill Knowlton, "BLUEGRASS RAMBLE," WCNY-FM: Syracuse ([removed]), Utica ([removed]),
    Watertown NY ([removed]), 30th ANNIVERSARY SHOW on Sunday, Jan 19th, 9 pm-midnight
    est: [removed] (with Windows Media Player)

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    Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:40:26 -0500
    From: Udmacon@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio Shows That Charged

    The Grand Ole Opry and the WWVA Jamboree also charged admission, keeping it
    low for crowd control. Probably true also with the KWKH Louisiana Hayride

    Remember that these shows were staged, with colorful costumes, scenery and
    square dancers.

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    Bill Knowlton, "BLUEGRASS RAMBLE," WCNY-FM: Syracuse

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    Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:41:12 -0500
    From: otrbuff@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Perry's Radio Actors

    Answering Chet Norris, Lamont Johnson never played Perry Mason on radio.
    The four who did were Donald Briggs, Santos Ortega, Bartlett Robinson and
    John Larkin.  Larkin was the most authoritative and best recalled and
    portrayed the lawyer last and longest, 1947-55.

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 20:41:32 -0500
    From: otrbuff@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Admission to Radio Shows

    Richard Pratz asks what other radio shows charged admission.  I think I
    thought I was being robbed when I discovered the Grand Ole Opry had gone
    up to a dime in 1959 (from a nickel), although the Friday Night Frolics
    (same performers) was free.  The last I heard the Opry was charging
    around $25-$30 a seat for a two-hour show (and getting the same amount
    for a second show, plus the same for a Friday night show).  At least I
    used to see four-and-a-half hours for a dime.  How times have changed.

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 21:20:12 -0500
    From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Perry Mason movie

    Roby McHone wrote:

>     I remember one movie where he
>     drank a deadly poison, in court, to prove that his client couldn't have done
>     it because the poison wasn't poison.  As he left the courtroom, he jumped in
>     a waiting taxi and was taken to a hospital where a waiting doctor
>     administered an [removed] just in time, another five minutes would have
>     been too late.

    Are you sure this is from one of the Perry Mason films made by Warner
    Brothers in the thirties?  The reason I ask is, it sounds suspiciously like
    the plot for a 1932 film called "The Mouthpiece."  That film was also a
    Warners product, and starred Warren William as the attorney--I think you
    might have confused it with a Mason film because William played the part of
    Perry in several of those Warner Brothers films, among them "The Case of the
    Howling Dog (1934)," "The Case of the Curious Bride (1935)," "The Case of
    the Lucky Legs (1935)," and "The Case of the Velvet Claws (1936)."

    Ivan G. Shreve, Jr.

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    Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:03:57 -0500
    From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  PT Cruiser
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    I also considered buying a PT Cruiser as a tribute to my OTR hobby (although
    I'm not sure where I would have gotten an Alf Landon sticker, say what you
    want about the guy's election campaign but he never sent shiploads of refugee
    Jews back to Hitler like Saint Frank did).  There was one problem - it was a
    Chrysler and only a year or two old so there was no way to tell if the car
    was made well or not.

    But yesterday's poster wasn't the first person to think of [removed]

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:20:50 -0500
    From: greg addington <gregadd@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio Drama Course

    Hello everyone,

    I saw an article in my local newspaper here in regards to a radio
    drama course being offered by the local Community College starting
    this semester.

    The course is being taught by Carl Warner, who worked for ABC in New
    York as a sound-effects technician.  The class will select a script
    and produce and record dramas.  The link to the online version of this
    story is below:

    [removed]

    Greg Addington
    Oak Ridge, Tennessee

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    Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:09:18 -0500
    From: "david rogers" <david_rogers@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Real Audio and mp3

>     [ADMINISTRIVIA: THe important thing to remember, however, is that the file
>     won't sound any better. Even as a high-bitrate MP3, it'll still sound like a
>     RealAudio file.  --cfs3]

    True but having converted the file you can then play it on your mp3 player
    or convert it to play as an audio cd.

    Love as always, David Rogers

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    Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:32:34 -0500
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  More on Hank's Last Night

    As a follow-up to the discussion on whether Hank Williams died in
    Knoxville or on the road to Canton, a new, previously unknown witness
    has contacted the local historian Jack Neely I mentioned earlier. His
    name is Ken Jarnigan and at the time he worked nights at Troutman's
    24-Hour Esso on Magnolia going east out of Knoxville. He recalls that
    sometime before 11 [removed] he pumped gas for a blue Cadillac driven by a
    young man and became concerned over the passenger in the back seat
    whom he describes as wearing dress clothes but no tie. "He was
    foaming at the mouth. I told that young man, 'He looks like he's
    dead.' The guy said, 'Don't worry about him. He's drunk and passed
    out.'" That makes three people who have said they believed the man we
    now know was Hank Williams was dead when they saw him in that car,
    and only the driver himself who claims that Hank got out and
    stretched his legs at one point on the trip.

    In an interview Dr. Cardwell, who had given him morphine earlier that
    night said that, given the dose, it's unlikely Hank would have done
    any walking that night, dead or not. It's entirely possible the young
    driver feared he would be held responsible for Hank's death if it
    were believed he had ignored signs of distress in his passenger.

    On a similar vein, did anyone see the PBS broadcast special
    concerning Glen Miller's disappearance? I missed it. My impression
    from the teasers, though, was that it would take the now prevailing
    view that his plane had been downed by friendly jettisoned ordnance.

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    Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:23:52 -0500
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Literature on Radio

    "Philip Railsback" <philiprailsback@[removed]; asked:

>      Much as I like OTR, they did miss the boat in a lot of areas.  For instance,
>      it seems to me that when when books were adapted for radio it was almost
>      always because they were already popularized in the movies.  Imagine all the
>      thousands of books and plays that could have been [removed]

    That's no less true today. How often do you see a great classic
    dramatized on tv, or even a best-seller, for that matter. The only
    anthology show left to us on broadcast tv is _Outer Limits_. With
    thousands of great science fiction tales available they continue to
    mine the same dreary themes ad infinitum. Perhaps that has something
    to do with the reluctance of Television (come on, it really IS a
    dirty word) to hire any author over 30, let alone dramatize fiction
    that's day old. Fear of somehow not connecting with their favorite
    demographic, under 30's.

>      And when books were adapted they were far too [removed]
>      I know I've never heard a show longer than an hour.

    Well, Orson Welles' _Le Miserable_ comes to mind. I think it was six
    hours long, though, of course, it didn't all air at one sitting.
    That's still vastly condensed from the original, what, 12 volumes?
    But I recall it as having been very well done. If I'm ever on a quiz
    show and get a question about the Paris Window Tax, I'll be prepared.

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    Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:24:57 -0500
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR Stereo

    Cnorth6311@[removed] responded to Tom Barnett thus:

>      I vaguely recall a few occasions wherein a TV station would send out a
>      stereo broadcast via the TV audio and a "friendly" AM or FM station.
>      It probably was PBS Channel 13 and WNYC or WQXR. Just guessing.

    I remember this being done before there was such a thing as PBS. Back
    then some classical music could be heard on commercial stations. Hard
    to imagine now, when classical music is hard to find even on public
    radio stations since they have fallen under the drab, iron fist of
    NPR. Stereo music was a novelty then - perhaps stereo record players
    were just being marketed and this was, in part, to promote the
    concept. Such event were well publicized and listeners were
    instructed as to which channel/station combination to tune to and how
    to position your radio and television for best sound. I don't recall
    which shows, but likely shows might have been the regular Met opera
    broadcast with Milton Cross announcing, the Voice of Firestone, the
    Bell Telephone Hour, and the Longines Symphonette.

    BTW, as to why musical shows are not more popular among collectors,
    well, mp3's aren't helping. I dl'ed a couple of Philco Hours shows
    compressed to 6 megs each, and they are completely unlistenable. Bad
    sound quality is easier to overlook in a drama or comedy.
    There is a theory that state:  "If anyone finds out what the universe is for it
    will disappear and be replaced by something more bizzarly inexplicable."
    There is another theory that states:  "This has already [removed]"
                                     ~Douglas Adams, _Hitchhiker's Guide to the
    Gala
    y_

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    Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 00:25:10 -0500
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Soap

    Someone brought up the subject of Lux and other soaps that once
    sponsored much of radio and from whence the soap opera gets its name.
    I recently heard the Proctor and Gambel Hour Christmas special,
    featuring their most popular soap stars including Ma Perkins, Our Gal
    Sunday, and others. I never cared for these shows as a boy, of
    course, but they brought back fond memories of my mother working in
    the kitchen.

    I was surprised, though, at how overtly religious the whole show was,
    Christian of course with one sympathetic appearance of a kindly old
    Jewish man who, nonetheless, seemed to acknowledge the holy
    significance of the Christmas season. Not just religious but - well,
    I can't seem to come up with a kind word for "sappy;" it made
    _Touched by an Angel_ look like an episode of _America's Most
    Wanted_. Which is ironic when we recall that a few years later
    Procter and Gamble was accused of being in league with the devil,
    because some sinister import was seen in their Man in the Moon logo.
    I never quite understood, but, in part it had to do with the fact
    that there were *thirteen* stars, a number that signified *evil*. I
    don't know what that says about the original American flag, but, no
    doubt, it has some link to the occult pyramid on the dollar bill.

    Anyhow, Proctor and Gamble is still making Ivory soap (younger
    readers will not recall that Ivory and other soaps also came in the
    form of flakes for washing clothes, in a time when no one had ever
    heard of detergents [well, I think Ivory flakes still exist as a
    niche item for washing baby clothes]). I've not heard them use their
    once famous slogan in a long while: "It floats!" Of course, it
    floated because it was whipped full of air in processing. My family
    always preferred the more economical Lux bars; they were denser and
    lasted far longer.

    Now Ivory has issued commemorative bars with the original logo
    featuring that Old Devil Moon. You can win $100,000 if you find the
    bar that sinks.

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    Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:31:06 -0500
    From: "david rogers" <david_rogers@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Peter Tinniswood has died

    I read on the BBC that "Peter Tinniswood has died at the age of 66 following
    a long battle with cancer."
    You can read the article at:

    [removed]

    For those unfamiliar with his work I would like to reccomend "Tales from a
    Long Room". Like much great British comedy it is very culturally specific in
    its references. However, I have always found it to be very funny.
    Maybe The Brigadier has finally declared his innings 423-5 not out in order
    to get back to the bar in the pavillion.
    Sadly missed.
    Love as always, David Rogers

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    Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:31:18 -0500
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jimmy Dudley

    A big thank you to Mark Kinsler for finally mentioning Jimmy Dudley! After
    reading all the recent posts to the Digest and never seeing his name, I was
    wondering if anyone was listening in the 1950s. Jimmy Dudley was "my" voice
    of the Indians. I loved listening to the broadcasts in that wonderful year
    1954 when Larry Doby, Al Rosen, Bob Lemon, Bobby Avila, Mike Garcia, et al
    were the golden boys of summer. Right up to that *$(#(&^* WORLD SERIES! I've
    searched for years for a broadcast from that year with Dudley announcing,
    but to no avail. [removed]

    Barbara

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    Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:31:42 -0500
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bob Maxwell

    I haven't seen any mention of the passing of Bob Maxwell on the Digest.  His
    obituary appeared in the January 4 edition of the LA Times. He died on
    December 24 in Palm Springs of complications from multiple strokes. He was
    78.

    His radio career started in Detroit. He worked on THE LONE RANGER, and later
    became a well-known disc jockey in Detroit at WJLB and WWJ. "Platter
    Chatter" and "Maxwell & the Music." were several of his radio shows.  In the
    early 1960s he moved to New York and hosted "The Bob Maxwell Show" and
    "College Quiz Show" on WCBS.

    He moved to Los Angeles in 1981. He attended most of the SPERDVAC
    conventions, where he performed in many of the recreations.  I had just
    talked to him at the SPERDVAC convention in November.  He was a delightful
    man with a ready smile. We'll miss him!

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    Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:32:18 -0500
    From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR on holiday

    In digest #11 - my Mate in Korea, David, took a swipe with a Cricket Bat
    "you may have noticed a complete silence from certain Australian
    contributors to this digest regarding England's recent thrashing of
    Australia in the cricket."  Winning the last game of the series David, in
    order to prevent a 5-0 whitewash is not exactly a thrashing, well not by
    England anyway :)  Most people would have been welcoming my silence, so when
    David asked if I would post the news of the win, I said he could do it.

    David a holiday away from Korea seems like a good idea at the moment.  If
    you want to visit with another OTR Mate who is an American living in China
    with his wife and soon to arrive daughter, Stephen, then email me and I will
    get him to contact you.

    OTR people get around.

    Ian Grieve

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    Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:32:35 -0500
    From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  INNER SANCTUM

    As the Australian version of Inner Sanctum has been discussed  a couple of
    times by Martin and also Mike, I might add my two cents.

    It is my understanding that the series started in Australia as Inner Sanctum
    and when it was due for renewal there was a dispute on the price required in
    order to do a further series.  So it was decided to change the name and do
    the series as Creaking Door.

    As for the dates etc, there has never been a log for the Australian series
    before, however if you buy Martin's book you will see the first Australian
    Inner Sanctum log.

    Ian Grieve
    Australian OTR Group

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    Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:32:49 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

>     >From Those Were The Days --

    1943 - The quiz show, The Better Half, was first heard on Mutual this
    day. The program brought four married couples to compete in stunts
    involving traditional concepts of 'manhood' and 'womanhood'.

    Birthdays:

    1883 - Francis X. (Xavier) Bushman, actor on many shows, d. Aug 23, 1966

    1904 - Ray Bolger (Raymond Wallace Bulcao) d. Jan 15, 1987

    1908 - Paul Henreid (Paul Georg Julius Hernreid Ritter Von
    Wassel-Waldingau) d. Mar 29,1992

      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:33:11 -0500
    From: Derek Tague  <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Freberg  in NYC

    Sorry, Gang:

        I just called the club "Feinstein's at the Regency" here in NYC only to
    learn that Mr. Freberg has cancelled his  upcoming one-week set. I have heard
    that he has already performed the same show in [removed] Would anybody who's seen
    it post a "review" here on the Digest?  I'd like to find out what I'm
    missing.

    Yours in the proverbial ether--

    Derek Tague

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