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Date: 10/13/2010 8:32 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2010 : Issue 178
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
      CBS Stock Music                       [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      ROCK [removed] VANCOUVER BC / JACK BENNY  [ "Andolina, Joe" <Joe_Andolina@cable ]
      Just a trace of reality               [ "otrbuff" <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
      10-13 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Ellery Queen on DVD                   [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      oldest orchestra b'cast               [ "jsalerno@[removed]" <jsalerno@ ]
      Oldest radio [removed]                 [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
      10-14 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 02:12:02 -0400
    From: charlie@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
    and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
    over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
    of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
    real-time OTR talk!

    Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
    others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
    range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
    it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
    it's always a good time!

    For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
    week and every week!

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    Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:30:36 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  CBS Stock Music

    RyanO stated:

>     NBC must've sold the library to CBS a few years later, because you can also hear that music on Yours Truly,
>     Johnny Dollar.

    That might not be entirely correct. I have no doubt the stock music was reused. The musicians (composers & conductors) often
    reused their own scores for radio and television productions. Thus William Lava, for example, did music for programs on both
    networks. While CBS did retain many of the scores for their stock library, and reuse them repeatedly for numerous radio and
    television programs, I don't think they would have bought music tracks from NBC. But I wouldn't be surprised if the
    musician used the same score for another radio program airing on a different network.

    If you want to have some fun with music scores (especially those who are very familiar with Bernard Herrmann and Lucien
    Moraweck's music scores), listen to CBS Radio Mystery Theater episodes. I've heard scores that were composed for The Twilight Zone,
    Perry Mason, Gunsmoke, and my favorite has to be the shocker of all [removed] the theme to Dark Shadows featured on an episode
    of CBS RMT!
    Martin

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    Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:30:45 -0400
    From: "Andolina, Joe" <Joe_Andolina@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  ROCK [removed] VANCOUVER BC / JACK BENNY NOT IN
     SEATTLE

    In case there are people out there who don't know this, Rock 101 in
    Vancouver BC Have been broadcasting their Lights Out series for quite a
    number of years and can be Heard on line live as well as via ondemand at
    10pm Sunday nights Pacific Time. Two hours of Mostly uncut OTR with
    original commercials intact. They also mix in some BBC shows. You can
    listen on line at: [removed]

    On a side note:

    Finally over here in Seattle, Retro TV shows on the schedule the Jack
    Benny Show from 7pm-8pm. But the thing of it is, it is interrupted with
    a rebroadcast of the KIRO TV 6pm-7pm news all the time. Go figure it. If
    I can encourage anyone from the Seattle and surrounding area on this
    list to email or call KIRO-TV which owns the channel RETRO-TV is carried
    on here, maybe we can encourage them to actually show the program as it
    is listed in their schedule. KIRO's web page is: [removed] Poor
    Jack, it seems that not only does CBS want to keep his shows under lock
    and key, but even KIRO don't think his shows are important enough to be
    seen again even though they list it as being there :(

    Joe

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    Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:30:50 -0400
    From: "otrbuff" <otrbuff@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Just a trace of reality

>     1937   The longest running detective show debuted. Mr. Keen, Tracer of

    Lost Persons lasted until 1955. Three different actors played the title
    role, Bennett Kilpack was Mr. Keen the longest, and Arthur Hughes saw
    the final show. Phil Clark also played the part. There were many more
    than three sponsors Anacin, Kolynos (a toothpaste), BiSoDol antacid
    mints, Hill's cold tablets, Heet liniment, Dentyne, Aerowax, RCA Victor
    and Chesterfield cigarettes. Some are long gone, some are still around,
    some don't advertise on radio anymore, and some are not allowed [removed];

    It seems like I've spent a lifetime trying to correct the mistakes that were
    originally penned by a nameless hack sans accurate data.  His words have
    been copied scores of times over the years.  My intense scrutiny of all of
    the scripts of Mr. Keen housed at the University of Wyoming early in this
    millenium surfaced many new revelations reported in detail in my book "Mr.
    Keen, Tracer of Lost Persons."

    The most grievous error to the purists among us is that there never were
    three Mr. Keens as this oft-repeated statement allows.  There were two,
    Bennett Kilpack, who remained until he was too ill to perform any longer in
    late 1950, and Philip Clarke (seemingly an addendum when you read he "also
    played the part").  Clarke was there from 1950 until the final broadcast in
    the fall of 1955.  Interestingly, both Kilpack and Clarke were native
    Englishmen who came to America to seek work as thespians on the stage.  It's
    ironic that the longest running detective in broadcast history in any format
    drew two Brits to its namesake role.  ("Saints preserve us!")

    Arthur Hughes, one of the most durable daytime actors in radio, the
    venerable Just Plain Bill (1932-55), stepped in for Bennett Kilpack on nine
    occasions when the leading man of Mr. Keen wasn't available -- in sickness
    and while Kilpack was vacationing.  Nine times doesn't make a star over an
    18-year run, or even over the 13 years that Kilpack played the lead.  As
    credible as Hughes was, he never was the "lead" of Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost
    Persons.  Period.  And I wish, case closed, but I know it isn't and won't
    ever be because too many sources repeat information without documentation.
    Yours truly is guilty of same, just not in this instance in the modern
    epoch.

    Aside from that, in regard to sponsorhip, there may have been many more than
    three sponsors as claimed but Anacin, Kolynos, BiSoDol, Hill's, Heet and a
    plethora of added pharmaceutical commodities were all made my one
    manufacturer, American Home Products, who never advertised under its own
    name.  That's a fascinating story in itself and is revealed in my book "Sold
    on Radio."

    I've tried to set the record straight on behalf of those to whom little
    details matter.  I guess it's probably a quirk of the journalistic craft.

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:30:57 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  10-13 births/deaths

    October 13th births

    10-13-1884 - Jack McLaren - Fitzroy, Australia - d. 6-16-1954
    writer: "The Ghost of the Cabaret"
    10-13-1885 - Harry Hershfield - Cedar Rapids, IA - d. 12-15-1974
    comedian: "Stop Me If You Heard This One"; "Can You Top This?"
    10-13-1889 - Douglass Dumbrille - Hamilton, Ontario, Canada - d.
    4-2-1974
    actor: "Screen Guild Theatre"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-13-1891 - Irene Rich - Buffalo, NY - d. 4-22-1988
    actor: Faith Chandler "Dear John"; Irene Davis "Lady Counsellor";
    Judith Bradley "Glorious One"
    10-13-1892 - Albert Sonn - d. 5-22-1968
    pioneer radio personality "Man On the Moon"
    10-13-1896 - Jack Shilkret - NYC - d. 6-16-1964
    orchestra leader: "Bond Bread Show"; "Let's Be Charming"; "Tea Time
    Tunes"
    10-13-1900 - Georgia Backus - Columbus, OH - d. 9-7-1983
    actor: Peg Riley "Life of Riley"; Portia Brent "Brenthouse"; Doris
    Foster "A Date with Judy"
    10-13-1900 - Gerald Marks - Saginaw, MI - d. 1-27-1997
    tin pan alley composer: "Great Days We Honor"
    10-13-1901 - Frank Remley - d. 1-28-1967
    left handed guitarist: The Phil Harris Orchestra
    10-13-1903 - Patsy Moran - Pennsylvania - d. 12-10-1968
    actor: Martha Hoople "Major Hoople"; Hilda "Junior Miss"
    10-13-1904 - Wilfred Pickles - Halifax, England - d. 3-26-1978
    announcer, newsreader: "Have A Go"; "Children's Hour"; "Where Are You
    Now?"
    10-13-1907 - Tamara Drasin - Sorochintzy, Ukraine - d. 2-22-1943
    actor,singer: "Manhattan Merry-Go-Round"; "Atlantic Family"
    10-13-1909 - Art Tatum - Toledo, OH - d. 11-5-1956
    pianist: David Rose Orchestra
    10-13-1909 - Johnny Messner - NYC - d. 1-xx-1986
    bandleader: "Spotlight Bands"; "Fitch Bandwagon"
    10-13-1910 - Tex McCrary - Calvert, TX - d. 7-29-2003
    interviewer: "Hi Jinx"; "Tex & Jinx"
    10-13-1912 - Hugh Weisgall - Eibenschutz, Moravia - d. 3-11-1997
    composer: "CBS Radio Workshop"
    10-13-1913 - Ethel Everett - NYC - d. 4-2-1973
    actor: Elsie Anderson "David Harum"; Mayme Gordon "O'Neills"
    10-13-1915 - Hugh James - The Bronx, NY - d. 6-17-2001
    announcer: "Voice of Firestone"; "Three Star Final"; "Big Town"
    10-13-1917 - Burr Tillstrom - Chicago, IL - d. 12-6-1985
    actor, puppeteer: "The Northerners"; "Kukla, Fran and Ollie"
    10-13-1917 - Lou Cook - d. 2-12-1993
    host: "Religion on the Line"
    10-13-1918 - Cornel Wilde - NYC - d. 10-15-1989
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-13-1918 - Jack MacGowran - Dublin, Ireland - d. 1-30-1973
    actor: "All That Fall"; "Embers"; "Juno and the Paycock"
    10-13-1918 - Robert Walker - Salt Lake City, UT - d. 8-28-1951
    actor: Davy Dillon "Maudie's Diary"
    10-13-1919 - Marion Hargrove - Mount Olive, NC - d. 8-23-2003
    author: "MGM Theatre of the Air"; "Information, Please"; "March of Time"
    10-13-1920 - Laraine Day - Roosevelt, UT - d. 11-10-2007
    host,actor: "Double Play with Durocher and Day"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
    10-13-1920 - Philip (Donald) McCutchan - Cambridge, England - d. 7-
    xx-1996
    author: "O'Flynn of the [removed]"
    10-13-1921 - Yves Montand - Monsummano Alto, Tuscany, Italy - d.
    11-9-1991
    singer, actor: "Rendezvouz In Paris"
    10-13-1924 - Marilyn Hare - Flushing, NY - d. 10-9-1981
    singer: (Daughter of Ernie Hare) "The Happiness Boys"
    10-13-1925 - Lenny Bruce - Mineola, NY - d. 8-3-1966
    comedian: "Arthur Godfrey Talent Scouts"; "Why Did Lenny Bruce Die?"
    10-13-1926 - Ray Brown - d. 7-2-2002
    jazz bassist: "Bands for Bonds"; "Here's to Veterans"; "White House
    Jazz Festival"
    10-13-1927 - Lee Konitz - Chicago, IL
    alto saxophonist: "Artistry in Rhythm"
    10-13-1929 - Bernie Baum - NYC - d. 8-28-1993
    composer: Composed the theme for "Monitor"
    10-13-1931 - Eddie Mathews - Texarkana, TX - d. 2-18-2001
    baseball player: "Baseball: An Action History"
    10-13-1945 - Keith Gallasch - Adelaide, South Australia
    writer: "Reading Tarter City Woman"
    10-13-1954 - Stephen Gallagher - Salford, Lancashire, England
    writer: "Last Rose of Summer"; "Hunter's Moon"
    10-13-1959 - Doug McLeod - Geensborough, Australia
    writer: "Whipperginnie"
    10-13-1963 - Michael Symmons Roberts - Lancashire, England
    writer: "Raising Sparks: For Mezzo Soprano and Ensemble"

    October 13th deaths

    10-15-1926 - Jean Peters - Canton, OH - d. 10-13-2000
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-23-1906 - Lucy Monroe - NYC - d. 10-13-1987
    singer: (The Star-Spangled Soprano) "Hammerstein's Music Hall";
    "Manhattan Merry-Go-Round"
    10-30-1901 - Chester Bagg - d. 10-13-1988
    baritone: WCBC Zion, Illinois
    11-19-1889 - Clifton Webb - Indianapolis, IN - d. 10-13-1966
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    12-08-1894 - Elzie Segar - d. 10-13-1938
    writer: "Popeye the Sailor" based on his comic strip
    12-16-1898 - Lud Gluskin - NYC - d. 10-13-1989
    conductor: "Hollywood Showcase"; "Amos 'n' Andy"; "Advs. of Sam Spade"
    12-28-1914 - "Pee Wee" Wamble - Tennessee - d. 10-13-2002
    cornet: "The Swift Jewel Cowboys"

    Ron

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    Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:31:06 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Ellery Queen on DVD

    Actually, there are tons of radio actors on the show and you'll see numerous
    references to radio broadcasting. Eve Arden, Milton Berle, George Burns, Guy
    Lombardo and a few radio announcers make appearances. I sometimes suspected
    that the producer piggybacked on the popularity of the radio program of the
    past and was thus able to get such luminaries on the program -- sort of an
    offer to revisit the by-gone era.

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    Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:31:13 -0400
    From: "jsalerno@[removed]" <jsalerno@[removed];
    To: OTR List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  oldest orchestra b'cast

    I believe the New York Philharmonic has been broadcasting since the mid
    1920s, although I can't say it has been continuous since then. I know
    some air checks from that time exist and have been issued on CD. Not
    looking at my copy, but I am thinking that the date was 1924. Yes,
    before electrical recordings were commercially available. These were
    made because Western Electric made tests of their electric recording
    process. Dr. Biel could give a better summation of that story.

    If only more OTR survived from that era. It is fascinating to [removed]

    joe salerno

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    Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:31:20 -0400
    From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Oldest radio [removed]

    Jim commented on old radio programs still being aired.  He mentioned the
    Mormon Tabernacle Choir and the Metropolitan Opera.  Add to the [removed]
        "Unshackled" by Pacific Garden Mission. Don't know the network, but some
    Christian stations carry it.  It began in 1950 and has been on the air ever
    since.
        I wonder if there are long-running programs still on the air from the
    CBC and BBC?

    Ted Kneebone. Old Time Radio:
    [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 22:31:25 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  10-14 births/deaths

    October 14th births

    10-14-1879 - Miles Franklin - Talbingo, Australia - d. 9-19-1954
    wirter: "The Thorny Rose"
    10-14-1890 - Dwight David 'Ike' Eisenhower - Denison, TX - d. 3-28-1969
    general, president: "War Production Drive Program"; "Let's All Back
    the Attack"
    10-14-1891 - Joseph M. White - NYC - d. 2-28-1959
    singer: (The Silver Masked Tenor) "Goodrich Silvertown Orchestra"
    10-14-1893 - Hal Burdick - Osceola, WI - d. 6-12-1978
    actor, writer: "Do You Believe In Ghosts"; "Dr. Kate"
    10-14-1893 - Lillian Gish - Springfield, OH - d. 2-27-1993
    panelist: "Arthur Hopkins Presents"; "Texaco Star Playhouse"; "Suspense"
    10-14-1896 - Bud Flanagan - Whitechapel, London, England - d. 10-20-1968
    singer, actor: Sang signature tune for "Dad's Army"
    10-14-1905 - Gene Stone - d. 4-28-1997
    writer: "The Great Gildersleeve"
    10-14-1906 - Benita Hume - London, England - d. 11-1-1967
    actor: Victoria Cromwell Hall "Halls of Ivy"; "General Electric Theatre"
    10-14-1906 - Russell Thorson - Eau Claire, WI - d. 7-6-1982
    actor: Jack Packard "I Love A Mystery"; Paul Barbour "One Man's Family"
    10-14-1907 - Karl Schlichter - d. 2-7-1979
    writer: "California Caravan"
    10-14-1907 - Pert Kelton - Great Falls, MT - d. 10-30-1968
    actor: Agnes "Magnificent Montague"; Lolita "We Are Always Young";
    "Milton Berle Show"
    10-14-1908 - Allan Jones - Old Forge, PA - d. 6-27-1992
    singer: "Chicago Theatre of the Air"; "New Old Gold Show"
    10-14-1909 - Dorothy Kingsley - NYC - d. 9-26-1997
    screenwriter: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-14-1914 - Norma Ransom - Chicago, IL - d. 9-24-1998
    actor: "Destination Freedom"
    10-14-1922 - Claire Niesen - Phoenix, AZ - d. 10-4-1963
    actor: "Mary Noble "Backstage Wife"; Peggy O'Neill "The O'Neills"
    10-14-1925 - Vance McCune - d. 11-3-1989
    comedian, actor: Wash "Tom Mix"; "The Sinclair Wiener Minstrels"
    10-14-1930 - Stella Castellucci - Los Angeles, CA
    staff musician for ABC
    10-14-1932 - Enrico Di Giuseppi - Philadelphia, PA - d. 12-31-2005
    operatic tenor: "Metropolitan Opera"
    10-14-1940 - Christopher Timothy - Bala, Wales
    actor: "50th Anniversary of the Goon Show"

    October 14th deaths

    01-07-1887 - H. Leopold Spitalny - Odessa, Ukraine - d. 10-14-1971
    conductor: "Goin' To Town"; "Serenade to America"; "Vest Pocket
    Varieties"
    01-29-1874 - Owen Davis - Portland, ME - d. 10-14-1956
    writer: "The Gibson Family"; "Pulitzer Prize Plays"
    02-08-1888 - Edith Evans - London, England - d. 10-14-1976
    actor: "Kaleidoscope"
    02-11-1916 - Walter Brown Newman - NYC - d. 10-14-1993
    writer: "Escape"; "Gunsmoke"; "On Stage"; "Robers of the Gazette"
    03-28-1919 - Vic Raschi - West Springfield, MA - d. 10-14-1988
    baseball pitcher: "National Guard Show"
    04-29-1870 - Cosmo Hamilton - d. 10-14-1942
    lecturer: "Unwritten History"
    05-03-1903 - Bing Crosby - Tacoma, WA - d. 10-14-1977
    singer: "Kraft Music Hall"; "Philco Radio Time"
    05-16-1881 - Henry Harlan Smith - Izard County, AR - d. 10-14-1931
    emcee: "Hoss Hair Pullers"
    06-20-1909 - Errol Flynn - Hobart, Tasmania - d. 10-14-1959
    actor: Christopher Casanova "Modern Adventures of Casanova"; "Lux
    Radio Theatre"
    07-22-1907 - Perry Botkin - Richmond, IN - d. 10-14-1973
    musician: (Perry Botkin and Trio) "The King's Men"
    07-27-1916 - Keenan Wynn - NYC - d. 10-14-1986
    actor: Moe 'Shrevie' Shrevnitz "The Shadow"; Gregory Smith "Amazing
    Mr. Smith"
    07-28-1915 - Frankie Yankovic - d. 10-14-1998
    polka king: "Frankie Yankovic and His Yanks"; "Guest Star Time"
    08-13-1913 - Melvin Frank - Chicago, IL - d. 10-14-1988
    film writer, producer, director: "Pepsodent Show"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    08-25-1918 - Leonard Bernstein - Lawrence, MA - d. 10-14-1990
    conductor: "Metropolitan Opera"
    09-02-1917 - Cleveland Amory - Nahant, MA - d. 10-14-1998
    writer: "Brain Trust"
    09-16-1899 - Sam Spewack - Ukraine, Russia - d. 10-14-1971
    writer: "Theatre Guild On the Air"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    09-21-1935 - Sigrid Valdis - Bakersfield, CA - d. 10-14-2007
    actor: "Shaken, Not Stirred"
    09-28-1913 - Ellis Peters - Horsehay, England - d. 10-14-1995
    author: Her "Brother Cadfael" novels were adapted for radio
    10-07-1927 - Al Martino - Philadelphia, PA - d. 10-14-2009
    singer: "The Steve Lawrence Show"; "Here's to Veterans"
    10-10-1911 - Zeke Manners - San Francisco, CA - d. 10-14-2000
    singer, disc jockey: "Zeke Manners and His Gang"; "Zeke Manners"
    10-21-1920 - Hy Averback - Minneapolis, MN - d. 10-14-1997
    announcer, actor: "Sealtest Village Store"; "Bob Hope Show"; "Take It
    or Leave It"

    Ron

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