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Date: 8/18/2006 10:18 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2006 : Issue 224
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Villianous!                           [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      Re: Bringing up the negative past of  [ Rodney Bowcock <pasttense_78@yahoo. ]
      Re:What Jack Benny really said        [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
      Re: Pete Kelly's Blues                [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Vic Perrin on dog-training record?    [ "Matthew Bullis" <matthewbullis@run ]
      Peabrain Strikes Again                [ "WILLIS G Saunders" <saunders8@veri ]
      RE: Lone Ranger                       [ "Cynthia Heimsoth" <chibibarako@hot ]
      The US Steel Hour                     [ "Cynthia Heimsoth" <chibibarako@hot ]
      8-18 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      Re: Need help to date a GUNSMOKE epi  [ Matthew Reed <mkr@northcountrymerca ]
      Orson Welles on the BBC               [ James H Arva <wilditralian@[removed] ]
      Orson Welles and Pete Kelly           [ "Gareth Tilley" <tilleygareth@hotma ]

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    Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 13:06:02 -0400
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Villianous!

    From: Kermyt Anderson _kermyta@[removed]_ (mailto:kermyta@[removed])

>     I know Orson Welles did  ... The Black Museum and The Lives of Harry Lime
>     ...
>     any other radio  appearances during the time he spent in Britain?

    Dear Kermyt-

    Knowing Orson's need for $$$, I'd bet he did?

    For one, there is his turn as Moriarity in THE FINAL PROBLEM, in the (meh)
    Holmes series with Gielgud & Richardson.

    Best,
    -Craig

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    Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:16:32 -0400
    From: Rodney Bowcock <pasttense_78@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:  Bringing up the negative past of radio
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>     Now that her personal life has once again been dragged
>     into the area of this digest I would very much like to see the topic
>     dropped. What happened to Marion Jordan in the 1930's is really none of
>     our business and can only harm the reputation of a dear, dear lady. Can
>     we let her rest, and just remember her as a warm loving person.

      I fail to see why discussing what may have happened during this time period
    on the program should be off limits.  It's not as if learning of a skeleton
    in the closet of a favorite actor or actress should hamper our enjoyment (and
    respect) of that person's body of work.  When a person spends over a
    quarter-century as one of the stars of a highly rated and beloved program,
    their personal life is sure to be discussed, especially when it crosses into
    a major aspect of their career.

      I'm certain that others will vocally disagree with me, but personally, I'm
    interested in the study of these programs and those who appeared on them.
    Sometimes that means learning of illnesses or addictions.  I should hope that
    we're mature enough to have civil discussions on these subjects when they
    occasionally appear.

      Plus, let's not forget that we're discussing Fibber McGee and Molly, and
    Marion's cause for leaving the cast for a time [removed] subject that has
    been discussed to one extent or another in every history of the show that I
    can recall reading.  It's hardly been considered a taboo topic in the past.

      Preparing to duck the rocks,

      Rodney Bowcock

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    Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 14:16:43 -0400
    From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:What Jack Benny really said

    Frank McGurn:

    The question wasn't what Jack Benny said in the "your
    money or your life?" routine. I _know_ the answer was
    "I'm thinking it over." What I asked was whether the
    _incorrect_ response, "I'm thinking. I'm thinking" was
    ever used in some _other_ routine and somehow got
    married to the "your money or your life?" routine. I'm
    trying to determine whether the many websites which
    give the incorrect answer are all just basically
    quoting the same erroneous source (and/or each other),
    or if Jack said those words in some context,
    somewhere.

    Rick

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    Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:12:27 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Pete Kelly's Blues

    John Mayer comments:
     > I remember Pete Kelly's Blues as a TV show starring Jack Webb,
    somewhat startling to me as a boy as I
     >  pretty much thought Jack Webb WAS Joe Friday.

    I didn't think that Jack Webb starred in the tv version of Pete Kelly's
    Blues. He DIRECTED it and William Reynolds starred as Kelly. Not sure
    how you saw him and thought this was Joe Friday. It was only one season,
    so unless there was another tv version, it would have been difficult to
    see him.

    Michael Hayde comments:
     > Funny thing: in listening to (what little exists of) the radio
    version, it seems to me that Jack Webb was
     >  revisiting "Pat Novak for Hire."

    That might be because the series was written by Richard Breen who also
    wrote Pat Novak for Hire. Though Webb would have vocally interpreted the
    character, I felt there was a sense of Novak here too, but I always felt
    it was the sense from the whole series and not just Webb's portrayal.

    I always wondered with Dragnet still on radio and Webb preparing for the
    premier of the television version later that year, why would he have
    taken on another radio series?  He had to have been busy. I wondered if
    it was either his love of jazz or as a favor to Richard Breen or both.
    He certainly didn't need to add more work to his already increasingly
    tight schedule.

    Jim Widner

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    Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:08:55 -0400
    From: "Matthew Bullis" <matthewbullis@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Vic Perrin on dog-training record?

    Hello, I was listening to Bob Dylan's Theme Time Radio Hour, and this week's
    theme is dogs. I could swear that's Vic Perrin in the sample he played where
    it says if your dog is shallow, incorigible and wayward, then listen to this
    record. If it is him, which I'm reasonably sure it is, then is there any
    more info about this record, and does he narrate the whole thing? When was
    this record released?
    Thanks a lot.
    Matthew

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    Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 20:20:24 -0400
    From: "WILLIS G Saunders" <saunders8@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Peabrain Strikes Again

    Hi Folks,

    I'm here again with a little information on "Pete Kelly's Blues", which I
    hope will be of help.  Webb borrowed "The Killiing of Little Jake" from Pat
    Novak, changing the time and making a Prohibition Agent from Inspector
    Helman and letting William Conrad do the part of the renamed agent.

    I never had a chance to see the movie in any way, shape or form, but one of
    the reasons it may have gotten a few fans was that Peggy Lee also appeared
    in it with Webb.

    As for Tv, the version of the show I remember didn't haave Jack on screen as
    Kelly.  The actor starred as Pete Kelly was William Reynolds.

    Hope this helps.

    Buck (Peabrain) Saunders

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    Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:22:15 -0400
    From: "Cynthia Heimsoth" <chibibarako@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RE: Lone Ranger

    "Barbara Harmon" <jimharmonotr@[removed]; wrote:

>     There has been a lot of discussion about whether the Lone Ranger was a
>     deserter from the Texas Rangers.

    I always thought that John Reid was believed killed in the same attack that
    killed his fellow Rangers -- IIRC he even made up an "extra" grave.  So to
    the world outside John Reid was dead.  Was that the right thing to do?  In
    the 1800's, and even into the early 1900's, many men (and I think a few
    women) disappeared out of their old lives and started over somewhere else,
    usually with the goal of disconnecting completely with their previous lives.
      (I know; we've got one in my family tree.)  Was it the right thing to do?
    Given that the Cavendish Gang clearly were out to completely destroy that --
    um ... collective noun? platoon? troop? -- of the Texas Rangers, it seems to
    be the only sane course of action and the only way to bring the Cavendish
    Gang to justice.  This was the Old West, not 21st century America where
    everybody has their fingerprints on somebody's computer.

    Anyway, that's my 2c worth, and probably overpriced . . .

    Cynthia "ChibiBarako"

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    Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:22:38 -0400
    From: "Cynthia Heimsoth" <chibibarako@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The US Steel Hour

    Under discussion: Was the US Steel Hour ever on TV?

    Cum grano salis, here's IMDB's file on US Steel Hour TV:
    [removed]

    It featured a production of No Time for Sergeants (season 2), The Meanest
    Man in the World (season 3), Bang the Drum Slowly (season 4), The Two Worlds
    of Charlie Gordon (season 8,an adaptation of Flowers for Algernon/Charly),

    I know I've heard of some classic TV stuff coming from US Steel Hour, but
    the library's about to kick me out.

    Cynthia "ChibiBarako"

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    Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:22:46 -0400
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  8-18 births/deaths

    August 18th births

    08-18-1873 - Otto Harbach - Salt Lake City, UT - d. 1-24-1963
    songwriter: "Music for Millions"; "Railroad Hour"
    08-18-1878 - Harry C. Browne - North Adams, MA - d. 11-15-1954
    actor: Hank Simmons, Henry Clinton "Hank Simmon's Showboat"
    08-18-1879 - Gus Edwards - Hohensaliza, Germany - d. 11-7-1945
    songwriter: "Thirty Minutes In Hollywood"
    08-18-1889 - Bess Flynn - Tama, IA - d. unknown
    actor: Mother Moyniham "Painted Dreams"; Tilda "The Gumps"
    08-18-1896 - Alan Mowbray - London, England - d. 3-26-1969
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Forecast"; "Hollywood Hotel"; "Screen
    Guild Theatre"
    08-18-1900 - Walter O'Keefe - Hartford, CT - d. 6-26-1983
    comedian, emcee: "Camel Caravan"; "Town Hall Tonight"; "Double or
    Nothing"
    08-18-1907 - Enoch Light - Canton, OH - d. 7-31-1978
    bandleader: "BMI Pin Up Platter"
    08-18-1908 - Bernard Prockter - d. 5-xx-1986
    producer: "Big Story"; "Crime Cases of Warden Lawes"; "Quick as a Flash"
    08-18-1911 - Marjorie Hannan - Hamilton, OH
    actor: Nancy Webster "We Are Four"; Ruth Ann Graham "Bachelor's
    Children"

    August 18th deaths

    01-12-1887 - Theresa Helburn - NYC - d. 8-18-1959
    producer: Was the guiding light of "Theatre Guild on the Air"
    03-27-1895 - William W. Chaplin - d. 8-18-1978
    newsman: White House correspondent for NBC
    04-04-1922 - Elmer Bernstein - NYC - d. 8-18-2004
    composer: "Coming Home"; "Memos to a New Millenium"
    04-22-1909 - Ralph Byrd - Dayton, OH - d. 8-18-1952
    singer, actor: Local and Hollywood radio
    04-26-1893 - Anita Loos - Sisson (now Mt. Shasta), CA - d. 8-18-1981
    playwright: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    06-17-1905 - Anne Teeman - New York - d. 8-18-1991
    actor: Sally Gibson "The Gibson Family"; Joyce "The Goldbergs"
    06-17-1921 - Ben Morris - Oklahoma City, OK - d. 8-18-1982
    actor: Pat Novak "Pat Novak for Hire"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 23:23:34 -0400
    From: Matthew Reed <mkr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Need help to date a GUNSMOKE episode

    Frank McGurn wrote:

>     About 25 yeas ago I recorded a Gunsmoke and was given the wrong date and
>     title. I have been through all the log I could find and still can't get
>     the date or name. I need the help of OTR detectives. The story is Jim
>     Cobbit (?) is getting married for 2nd time. 1st wife disappeared taken
>     by Indians, and his new wife is afraid of Indians.

    That sounds like "Fingered", broadcast on November 21, 1952. As I recall,
    it's a pretty good episode. The show uses an organ for the musical
    bridges, giving it an unusual sound (for Gunsmoke).

    ---
    Matthew Reed
    mkr@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:30:36 -0400
    From: James H Arva <wilditralian@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Orson Welles on the BBC

    18 AUG 06

    In issue #223, Kermyt Anderson asked for other examples of BBC radio
    appearances by Orson Welles during the early 50's.  On December 21st,
    1954 the BBC did a rendition of Doyle's Sherlock Holmes story, "The Final
    Problem", with John Gielgud as Holmes, Ralph Richardson as Watson, and
    Mr. Welles as Moriarty.  It's part of a series of Gielgud/Richardson BBC
    Holmes broadcasts.  All the books say that there were 12 in the series,
    but, somehow, I was given a 13th.

    Regards,

    Jim Arva

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    Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:31:15 -0400
    From: "Gareth Tilley" <tilleygareth@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Orson Welles and Pete Kelly

    Hi

    I too am a fan of the OTR version of Pete Kelly's Blues (although I'm yet to
    see the film). I wondered in someone could confirm how many episodes are
    actually available? I have six, but I seem to recall (from memory as I don't
    have it to hand) that Jim Cox's book mentions that more were in circulation?

    Re-Orson Welles on British radio in the 50's, the only example I can think
    of is his guest appearance as Moriarty on the final John Gielgud/Ralph
    Richardson Sherlock Holmes show. I don't know if he made other appearances -
    as has been documented before, the BBC archives from this period are not
    overly comprehensive.

    BTW fans of British OTR may like to know that the BBC has recreated an early
    Paul Temple series from 1947 (the Sullivan Mystery) from the original
    scripts. It's currently being broadcast on Mondays at 11:30.

    Gareth

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