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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 158


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Silly Ovaltine Question
	 Corwin in DC
	 Buxton & Owen
	 Jazzbo Collins
	 Cape Cod Mystery [removed]
	 Imagination Theatre
	 Cassette Cases
	 First Nighter, Jazzbo, MT, WMAQ, & OTR
	 Storage and cataloging of otr
	 Jazzbeaux Collins
	 Jazzbo Collins
	 Little girl on Fibber, McGee & Molly
	 BBC Sherlock Holmes log

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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:29:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Chris Stamper <clstampe@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Silly Ovaltine Question
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

> It is interesting to note that during the war years, metal of all sorts 
> was in short supply.  Thus, Ovaltine stopped making metal decoders as 
> premiums, and switched to cloth insignias and patches.

I visited a New Jersey Pathmark grocery store and found two versions of 
Ovaltine. One was an American formula that had sugar in it. They seem to 
be in the middle of a design change with the label. Some of these jars had 
the standard blah look, while others had a retro style.

The other had Chinese writing on the label and said "Made in The United 
Kingdom." The jar was tall and thin, instead of the short, fat one I know.
The powder inside has no sugar.  I bought it because I could put Equal in 
it and make my own Diet Ovaltine. The label on this jar is more modern 
and looks nothing like its American cousin except the logo.

The two taste about the same, but I preferred the UK version.

Since neither brew is from the original company that made the stuff, 
which one is closer to the real thing.

Did the Ovaltine you scooped out of the jar with the Little Orphan Annie 
stuff in it contain sugar or did you have to add it yourself?

Chris Stamper
[removed]

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Date: Wed, 1 May 96 09:31:10 EDT
From: filfeit@[removed] (Fil Feit)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Corwin in DC
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

13 by Corwin will air on WAMU ([removed]) in Washington DC
starting this Sunday (5 May) at 9pm.

--f2

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Date: Wed, 1 May 96 11:25:12 -0400
From: rickh@[removed] (RICK HARTNETT)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Buxton & Owen
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I am trying to locate a copy of the book, "Golden Age of Radio" by Buxton
and Owen.  In order to do an out of print book search I need the publisher
and if possible the ISBN (?) number.  If anyone has a copy and could email
me this imformation I would appreciate it.  If anyone has a copy for sale
(hope springs eternal) please email me with that info also.
Thanks a lot.  This is really a great source for information on OTR
Rick

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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:31:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jazzbo Collins
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Jazzbo Collins is still on the air Saturday nights on KCSM, College
of San Mateo in San Mateo, CA. These are new programs. Don't know
what the elf in the blue jump suit might have in his archives.

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Date: Wed,  1 May 1996 12:41:38, -0500
From: bedtime@[removed] ( DAVID ALLAN   BOUCHER)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Cape Cod Mystery [removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I know there are some places you can get tapes of CCRMT.  

But I wondered if Public Radio is currently airing any of these
programs on it's [removed]

Does anyone know if they are still being aired?

Thanks!

Dave in Boston  (E-Mail: Dave@[removed])

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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 11:31:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Smitten <ratcat@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Imagination Theatre
Message-ID: <[removed]@netcom3>

I was pleased to see someone mention that they enjoy IMAGINATION THEATRE.
I put together the program from tapes Jim French has.  He's been doing 
radio in front of audiences since the 70s and has quite a big collection.
We've so far got 130 stations to air the show and the response has been 
very favorable. If you do listen to the show, by all means, let your 
stations know!  If people are interested, perhaps I can put the station list
on the otr web page.  

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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 19:31:53 GMT
From: The Hinkels <hinkel@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Cassette Cases
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Bob B - Thanks for the info, I will contact [removed] question, I am
looking to buy the book AFRS Jubilee by Ulrich Neuert and Rainer Lotz.
Anyone know where I can get it here in the States?  I don't want to get
involved with overseas purchases.

To Max - Your radio programs that run over 30 minutes - know the networks
did not allow this except for certain instances.  Network programs were
supposed to be timed for 28:30 give or take a few seconds.  The remaining
minute and a half were for network and local plugs, announcements and
station ID.  Your shows run long because one of two things - somewhere along
the line your or your predecessors tape got stretched or more likely your or
your predecessors tape machine run slow.  If the tape ran slow for 2 second
of every recorded minute your half hour show would gain 60 seconds in time.
Sound wise these two seconds are not noticeable to you.  Even if you only
ran one second per minute slow and you got a third or fourth generation
tape, your program would over and you would not notice the difference unless
you timed them.  That's why everybody uses C-62's when [removed] sense?  

Hank Hinkel

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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 17:28:41 -0400
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: First Nighter, Jazzbo, MT, WMAQ, & OTR
Message-ID: <960501172835_387967536@[removed]>

Hi Gang -                        May 1 - 1996 -- Wednesday 3:30 PM cdt 

Again, I'm here to set the record straight.  Olan Soule never played
"Mr. First Nighter".   He was the leading man in the play that the Genial 
First Nighter attended.  I always remembered Bret Morrison as Mr. First 
Nighter, so I checked out the reference books.  Here's the lineup of First 
Nighters:
Charles P. Hughes, Bret Morrison, Marvin Miller, Don Briggs, Michael Rye,
aka Rye Billsbury.   The leading actors (in the play) were:
Don Ameche and June Meredith (1929-1936)
Don Ameche and  Betty Lou Gerson (1936)
Les Tremayne and Barbara Luddy (1936-1942) 
Olan Soule and Barbara Luddy (1943-1953) 
Other actors were Macdonald Carey, Cliff Soubier, Raymond Edward Johnson, 
and Jack Doty.   From the above you can see that Olan Soule played the 
"Leading Man" for ten years, and Barbara Luddy Played the "Leading Lady"
for 14 years.  Give or take a few months.   
Source: Buxton and Owen, THE BIG BROADCAST.   

----------  New Topic ------  Al "Jazzbo" Collins  

The only dramatic role I have in my collection featuring Al "Jazzbo"
Collins is the X-Minus-One program "Real Gone".  It's a good story, too.

----------  New Topic -------  "MT" Prefix 

The company who uses the prefix "MT" for tapes in their catalog
is NOSTALGIA.   I don't have their catalog handy, so I don't have
their address offhand - but perhaps somebody else can supply this
information. 

----------  New Topic -------  OTR on WMAQ, Chicago 

A few issues back someone asked about the time of day that WMAQ 
broadcasts Old Time Radio.   Five nights a week WMAQ broadcasts 
"When Radio Was" at Midnight (Monday Through Friday - or Tuesday
Through Saturday, depending on your point of reference) Chicago Time.
This program is 1 hour long. 
Two nights a week WMAQ broadcasts Carl Amari's 2 hour program from 
10 PM to Midnight (Saturday and Sunday).  The signals at that time 
of night should cover many states.  Frequency 670 KHz, Power 50 KW. 

----------- Last Topic -------- OTR is a WHAT, not a WHEN 

My personal definition:
Old Time Radio is a Style of Radio Broadcasting, not necessarily  
defined by specific dates.   The otr style was in vouge during the
timeframe between 1920 and 1965 plus or minus a few years on either 
end.  But otr can exist at any time.  

Happy Taping ---  Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois 
kenpiletic@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:11:04 EDT
From: UGTH94A@[removed] (MR TED KNEEBONE)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Storage and cataloging of otr
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

In response to David Van Nostrand's need for info regarding storage and
cataloging of old time radio shows.
   I have had a carpenter build shelving in my living room, covering an
entire wall. It is slightly higher than a CD, and I can store either or
both cassettes or CDs there. If it weren't for my french doors, I could
store a lot more tapes. Since I am now out of space, I plan to have him
build floor-to-ceiling shelving in my hallway, too. Original plan was to
make the shelves adjustable, but since the load was too much, esp. the
books, I had to settle for fixed shelving. Before this project, I stored my
cassettes in a small bookcase built for audio & videocassettes, but outgrew
that in a hurry. My open reel tapes are in bookcases built to hold them,
but that collection will not grow much, so I think I won't need any more.
   As for cataloging, I began with a simple card file and sparse
information. Each tape (open reel) had to have a serial number because I
was using all 4 tracks mono and many shows were on each reel. Cassettes
made the problem easier, and so did buying a computer. It wasn't long
before I discovered MsWorks has database on it. Once I had experimented
with that little gem, I knew that was the way to go. I won't go into
details here except to say that database solved my problems of cataloging
over one thousand titles. It has room for series, title, stars, timing,
date, network/source, tape no., etc. It will print field names and
gridlines, if you want them. One really big time saver is that it will sort
on any of the fields. By sorting, it is possible to catch missing items,
errors, etc. But don't use your spell checker on database! It will take
hours to go thru your whole catalog! Be sure to give each cassette or open
reel tape either a number or letters + numbers and shelve the tapes
according to either the number or letters. Use these numbers for the entire
tape, not for individual shows. Each tape can have only one number. If you
have 10 Great Gildersleeve shows, you could number them GG 1, GG 2, etc.
When you catalog your prolific shows, like The Shadow, be sure to include
the title of each episode (or the number for those who number their
episodes) and the date, if you have it. Your database can first group all
your Shadows together, then it can alphabetize all the episodes you own. I
use the "list" feature of database. If you use "form" you will get 1000
sheets of paper, each with one program on them! Then you will have to buy
notebooks or something to store all those sheets in. It would be like going
back to the card catalog for me.
   I am a librarian so some of this organization I have learned in my work.
When the time comes, I can do a file transfer and send my list online to a
fellow trader, and he/she can do the same for me.
   Hope some of this helps you.  Ted Kneebone / ugth94a@[removed]

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Date: 01 May 1996 23:32:51 GMT
From: [removed]@[removed] (Ron B. Hare)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Jazzbeaux Collins
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Mort:
Check out Al Collins on the X-1 episode "Real Gone". Great story, good acting
by Jazzbeaux.
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Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 20:12:44 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jazzbo Collins
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>I was wondering, does anyone know of any otr with Jazbo Collins
>and his tazmanian owl?I think he was on WNEW in New York City in
>the late 40's and early fifty's.
>

Jazzbo Collins was in an X Minus One Episode called Real Gone - February 27,
1957. 

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Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          
AOL: JimWidner                            

                                                 

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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 20:13:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: hankie@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Little girl on Fibber, McGee & Molly
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi all:

I am REALLY enjoying the old-time radio [removed] am so new at this hobby that 
I have never heard many of the programs I hear discussed on the digest.  If 
ignorance is bliss, then I must be really happy!

Anyway, my wife and I listen to a lot of Fibber McGee and Molly programs, and 
there is a little girl on there (who, as far as I know, goes only by the name 
"little girl").  My question is this:  Is this really a little girl, or someone 
PRETENDING to be a little girl?  I think it is someone impersonating a little 
[removed] it?  I have noticed in catalogues (Radio Spirits?) that Baby Snooks 
was played by a woman who was much older than the child she portrayed.  I guess 
that is why I am making the same assumption in this case.  Am I right?

[removed] note of thanks to all of you who steered me to the Radio Historical 
Association of Colorado.  I got off to a really rough start with them.  They 
kept changing the addresses of their libraries and I had an order get lost that 
I still have not received.  But, I think they finally have their problems 
straightened out, and we enjoy tremendously the tapes we rent from them.  The 
selection is great, and the cost for rental makes up for the one order that got 
lost.  I know what you may be thinking, and no, I am in no way affiliated with 
RHAC, except that I joined to take advantage of their rental service.  Again, 
thanks to those of you who made me aware of their [removed] am sure there are 
other tape clubs around that provide this type of service for their members.

Also, thanks to each of you who were around during the days of early radio 
broadcasting.  Your stories about how things really were back in the "old days" 
makes this hobby even more interesting.

Happy listening!

Gayland Darnell

hankie@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 00:28:25 PST
From: passage@[removed] (Frank M Passage)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: BBC Sherlock Holmes log
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

        T H E   B B C   P R E S E N T S   S H E R L O C K   H O L M E S
        -----   -----   ---------------   ---------------   -----------

                       >>> Hobbs and Shelley Version <<<

                                  1959 - 1969


     First Show: ??-??-??                            Last Show: ??-??-??
     Number Shows: 46 single shows               Audition Show: none
known
                   4 3-part serials

     Show Description:

     Sherlock Holmes may very well be the most often played character on
     radio.  The best remembered radio version of Sir Arthur Conan
Doyle's 
     character was done by Basil Rathbone as Holmes, with Nigel Bruce as 
     Watson.

     The Holmes character was no only a favorite in the United States. 
It
     was done, and still is done, in England, by the British Broadcasting
     Corporation.  In fact, the BBC produced a number of Holmes series.

     In 1955, Holmes came to life with Sir John Gielgud as the great
     detective accompanied by Sir Ralph Richardson As Watson.  This was 
     followed by the Carleton Hobbs (Holmes) / Norman Shelly (Watson) 
     version (the topic of this log).  In recent years, the BBC again 
     brought Holmes to radio with Clive Merrison as Holmes and Michael
     Williams as Watson.


     List Comments:

     The list is based on a BBC document, seemingly prepared to sell the
     series.  A note at the bottom of the first page says, "FIFTY-THREE
     episodes of dramatized classic excitement re-edited to the tempo of
     today's radio.  Each episode, including Dr Watson's personal intro-
     duction and close, lasts less than twenty-six minutes and leaves
room
     for four breakes inside the programme."  
 
     The BBC show lists consists of 40 single shows and 4 3-part serials.
 
     An additional 3 shows were found in various catalogs.  These are
marked 
     with an asterisk after the title.  Another omission from the BBC
list
     was "The Man Who Was Sherlock Holmes" which is a documentary, not an

     adventure.

     The BBC document did not list broadcast dates.  The only catalog
that 
     did was Radio Showcase.  At this time, I have no verification of
     these dates, or a first or last broadcast date for Holmes shows done
     by Hobbs and Shelly.

     Those shows that have no broadcast date are shown after dated shows.

     List:

         Single Shows:

         Date      Num  Title                                 Src Key
         --------  ---  ------------------------------------  ---------
         05-12-59       The Man With The Twisted Lip          1  4 6
         06-30-59       The Beryl Coronet                     1  456 
         08-11-59       The Copper Beeches                    12   6
         08-18-59       The Noble Batchelor                   1    6
         08-25-59       Shoscombe Old Place                   1
         02-23-60       The Stockbroker's Clerk               1    6
         03-22-60       The Naval Treaty                      1    6
         04-05-60       The Greek Interpreter                 1    6
         05-03-60       The Disappearance Of Lady Frances     1   56
                           Carfax
         05-17-60       The Engineer's Thumb                  12   6
         11-27-61       The Empty House                       12 4 6
         12-04-61       The Reigate Squires                   1    6
         12-11-61       The Resident Patient                  1  4 6
         12-18-61       Charles Augustus Milverton            1  456
         01-08-62       The Priory School                     1  456
         07-24-62       Silver Blaze                          1    6
         07-31-62       The Musgrave Ritual *                 1
         08-07-62       The Golden Pince-Nez                  1
         08-14-62       The Missing Three-Quarter             1   56
         08-21-62       The Adventure Of The Abbey Grange     12  56
         08-28-62       The Adventure Of The Devil's Foot     12  56
         09-04-62       The Mazarin Stone                     1   56
         08-14-64       The Speckled Band *                   12  56
         08-21-64       The Solitary Cyclist                  12  56
         08-28-64       The Bruce Partington Plans            1   56
         09-04-64       The Three Garridebs                   12  56
         09-11-64       The Norwood Builder                   12 456
         09-25-64       The Red-Headed League                 12  56
         10-02-64       The Three Gables                      12  56
         10-09-64       The Retired Colourman                 1   5
         11-21-66       A Scandal In Bohemia                  12   6
         11-28-66       The Five Orange Pips                  12   6
         12-05-66       The Six Napoleons                     1    6
         12-12-66       The Boscombe Valley Mystery           1   56
         12-26-66       Whisteria Lodge                       12  56
         01-02-67       The Dying Detective                   1  456
         01-09-67       The Second Stain                      1    6
         01-16-67       The Final Problem                     12 4 6
         06-24-69       The Dancing Men                       1
         07-01-69       Black Peter                           12 4 6
         07-03-69       The Red Circle                        1
         07-08-69       The Lion's Mane                       12  56
         07-10-69       His Last Bow *                        1

         ??-??-??       The Sussex Vampire                    1   56
         ??-??-??       The Blanched Soldier                  1   56
         ??-??-??       The Golden Prince-nez                    456 

         Three Part Serials (30 minutes each):

         Date      Num  Title                                 Src Key
         --------  ---  ------------------------------------  ---------
         12/31/60       The Valley Of Fear                    1 3 56
         08/05/61       The Hound Of The Baskervilles         1 3  6
         12/22/62       A Study In Scarlet                    1 3 56
         03/02/63       The Sign Of The Four                  1 3 56

         Other:

         Date      Num  Title                                 Src Key
         --------  ---  ------------------------------------  ---------
         ??-??-??       The Man Who Was Sherlock Holmes *     12  5
                           (Biographical Drama)


     * = not included in BBC list.


     Information Sources:

     The information above was obtained from the following OTR vendor
     and club catalogs.  Contact them directly for more information.

         Key  Source
         ---  -----------------------------------------------------------
          1   Radio Showcase (Steve Kelez), [removed] Box 4357, Santa Rosa, CA

              95402
          2   Carr, Edward J., 216 Shaner Street, Boyertown, PA 19512
          3   Society to Preserve and Encourage Radio Drama, Variety And
              Comedy (SPERDVAC), PO Box 7177, Van Nuys, CA 91409-7177
          4   Radio Historical Association of Colorado, [removed] Box 1908, 
              Englewood, CO 80150
          5   BRC Productions (Bob Burnham), PO Box 2645, Livonia, MI 
              48151-0645
          6   Vintage Broadcasts. 42 Bowling Green, Staten Island, NY 
              10314

     I have dealt with some of the above, but to be fair to all, this is
not 
     an endorsement of them.  I receive nothing by mentioning them. 
These 
     vendors and clubs have helped keep OTR alive.  Please support them. 
 


     Other Logs:

     This log is meant as a check list and source guide and is based on
     vendor catalogs.  Other, more detailed, logs are available from:

        Jay Hickerson, Box 4321, Hamden, Ct 06514


     Last Update: 01-May-96


     Although I retain copyright, this log may be freely copied provided 
     that the text is unchanged.  Please share it with fellow OTR lovers.
 
     I would greatly appreciate any error corrections or additional
     information. Please send them to: Frank Passage, 109 Elmwood Road, 
     Verona, NJ 07044 or via e-mail to passage@[removed]

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