Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #448
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 12/18/2003 6:06 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2003 : Issue 448
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Lois Corbet                           [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
  The OTR world                         [ BryanH362@[removed] ]
  Yesterday USA -Walden Hughes          [ BryanH362@[removed] ]
  More on Family Theater                [ "Penne Yingling" <bp_ying@[removed] ]
  Don't I wish!                         [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  Re: Expressions used in OTR           [ Christopher Werner <werner1@globalc ]
  The Night Before Christmas            [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
  In response to 1930s living           [ BryanH362@[removed] ]
  Scoobie Doobie Doo                    [ "RBB" <oldradio@[removed]; ]
  Captain Midnight decoders             [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  Screensound Australia                 [ "Austotr" <austotr@[removed]; ]
  Re: Bud Collyer                       [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Re: Wow!                              [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  [removed] the strangest of places if   [ Ruk77@[removed] ]
  re: Expressions use on OTR            [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
  OTR expressions                       [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
  Re: OTR Reality                       [ Shenbarger@[removed] ]
  Family Theater and such               [ vigor16@[removed] ]
  Bud Collier - To Tell the Truth and   [ David Howell <daveeaston@[removed]; ]
  12-19 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:31:30 -0500
From: JackBenny@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Lois Corbet

So does anyone know what happened to Lois Corbet, one of Don Wilson's wives?

Laura Leff
President, IJBFC
[removed]

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:31:57 -0500
From: BryanH362@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The OTR world
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I shared with my grandfather  (who was born in 1918 )  the comments from
Stephen Kallis Jr and Michael Biel as to what the REAL  world was like during
the
OTR era.
He said that WAS NOT the world he knew.  He did add that it was mostly a
matter of perspective and where one grew up . He was adamant that the issues
expressed by Biel and Kallis  were not a part of the daily lives of the people
where he was living during those  years.   In fact he added  " the only time
we
ever heard about communists was on the TV."

My grandfather did not discount what Kallis and  Biel had to say stating "it
was probably true for them but it's a big country and what may have been true
for  some may not have been for others. In those times customs varied more
from place to place. "

-Bryan

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:32:16 -0500
From: BryanH362@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Yesterday USA -Walden Hughes

Heard Friday, Saturday and Sunday  10:30 EST/ 7:30 PST
on Yesterday USA . On the internet at
[removed]

Friday 12-19-03  Kathryn Crosby interview

Saturday 12-20-03  part of the Gassman Christmas special with a large block
of Ronald Colmand Christmas shows plus a 1957 interview.

Sunday 12-21-03

A.  Michael Biel is to  present very rare Amos and Andy material including an
interview with Charles Corell from 1969 on WGN, and the earliest known  Amos
and Andy radio
show.

B.  interview replay of Carolyn Grimes interview .Carolyn  was Zuzu  in the
movie  "It's a Wonderful Life ".

Do you want to hear a favorite OTR Christmas show this season ? Then e-mail
Walden at  hughes1@[removed]  and make your request.

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:33:34 -0500
From: "Penne Yingling" <bp_ying@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  More on Family Theater

Most shows today have either no message or a  twisted inappropriate
message, so I will take a show like Family Theater any day.

Just to add my two-cents worth (is it still two-cents?).  I, too, will take
a show like Family Theater, not because of (or in spite of) the religious
orientation, but simply because the reality of everyday life is oft-times
filled with hustle-bustle and very trying situations.   It is just so
relaxing to sit back, relax and put oneself in tune with less stress.  Some
may say  that this is not "living in the real world."   Life is a mixture of
real and unreal.   I guess this is the reason I immensely enjoy the old
radio comedies, such as Burns & Allen, Fibber & Molly. Jack Benny, etc.  I
know they're not acting as in "real life"  (as I have always known) , but
they're fun.  Just my opinion.  Thanks for listening.  Penne

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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:32:26 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Don't I wish!

JLF notes,

I am looking for some mp3's of Captain Midnight from the 1946 thru 1949
era.

As far as I know, there aren't any.  There are many MP3s with mostly
Skelly Oil shows offered on eBay, but there is only a scattering of
postwar Ovaltine shows in circulation, roughly a half dozen, off the top
of my head.  There are a few more World War II (1943-45 season) episodes,
but the postwar are rare.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:40:36 -0500
From: Christopher Werner <werner1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Expressions used in OTR

To add to Lou Gilberto's enlightening list of expressions of religeous origin:

Goodbye once was "God be with ye"

So remember that the next time an Atheist expresses a parting phrase :-)

Chris

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:40:43 -0500
From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  The Night Before Christmas

Paula asked about a Fred Waring recording of "The Night Before
Christmas" that contained the words "The crest of the moon on the new
fallen snow". I don't recall Fred Waring's recording, but I have
(somewhere) a 78 rpm blue label Decca record of Frank Luther singing
this song and it does contain the line that she is asking about.  The
record is one that I got as a small child about 1942, although I don't
know the recording date.  I'd have to find the record and check the
number. Unfortunately I don't have my 78's organized( other than big
band recordings) and don't even have them in one place.  But I do recall
the lines that she is looking for.

George Aust

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:43:06 -0500
From: BryanH362@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  In response to 1930s living
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Elizabeth wrote:

people
swore. A lot. My grandfather was a time capsule of Depression-era slang,
a substantial percentage of which was scatalogical, blasphemous, or
obscene.

As  I stated in another post the US was a big place and what might have been
true experiences for Elizabeth's family were  NOT true for mine.  Yeah it was
hard , it was the depression  and my family were for the large part farmers
and they felt the pain of it greatly .   But my family were  NOTHING like
Elizabeth's and neither were their neighbors when it came to strong language.
With
all due respect ,if Elizabeth's family swore in public , like she maintains,
then I can only suggest that they attracted  "like"   folks.

Sorry  Elizabeth  ...my mother is 58 years old and she never remembers either
her dad or her grandfather or anyone talking around the house like you
suggest.  It just didn't happen in the manner that you would indicate was the
norm .
Perhaps we have a regional   difference here ....  I don't know ???

I do agree with you about the fact that woman worked quite often . I know
that the wife had to help bring in money how ever possible  during those
times.
I don't know exactly  what they did or for how many hours of the week though
. I don't recall anyone claiming to be home alone or being taken off to the
day care until they were picked up by their parents
at 6pm .  I'll have to find out.

Approximately 17 to 18 per cent of new marriages ended in divorce during
the 1930s.

Were there  like maybe 5 guys getting married 20 times each or something ?
Something must have helped this statistic along .   I certainly don't recall
anything like that .  Just my limited experience of course .  When my mother
divorced my father in 1970  we were the only family in the neighborhood
(Ballard ,
Washington )   where the dad did not still live at home.    It was also the
first divorce in the family .   It wasn't  "scandalous"   or anything.    In
fact people supported my mother's decision to divorce my father.

The nationwide murder rate in 1939 was [removed] murders per 100,000 people:
approximately what it is today. (National Center for Health Statistics)

This may be true but it doesn't invalidate the fact that a neighborhood today
does  have more murders.    Of course it may be because more people are
living down the street but to someone who recalls safely sitting out at night
without worry and now hears gun shots in the distance the reason doesn't
really
matter to them  does it?

[removed] per cent of Americans over the age of 25 had completed high school.
(1940 US Census)

4 per cent of Americans over the age of 25 had completed college. (1940
US Census)

This could be apples and oranges . It does not address the quality of
education.

I want to address something about the good old days as well .
No one in my family idealizes the past .   Other than myself no one listens
to OTR or watches old movies or wishes they were back in  "them"  days. In
fact
my grandfather once said to me  "the good old days ? they can have ' em "   .
  He of course was speaking about the economic condition he lived in at the
time.  He lives very comfortably today having worked very hard and been very
responsible with his money.  He "IS"  disgusted by the moral climate of the
country  (his thoughts  not mine ) but his creature comforts are enough that
he
can forget those "annoyances"  of modern living  .

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:27:32 -0500
From: "RBB" <oldradio@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Scoobie Doobie Doo

Louis Giliberto's post on Expressions used on OTR included: "But Scooby
Doo was named after Frank Sinatra's practice to "scat" or sing "scoobie
doobie doo" in Strangers In The Night.  Kinda funny."

...and I'd like to add:

To do is to be - Descartes
To be is to do - Voltaire
Do be do be [removed] -Sinatra

Happy Hannukah, Ramadan, Quanza, Merry Christmas and all the best in the New
Year!

(I forgot Happy [removed])

Russ Butler  oldradio@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:31:36 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Captain Midnight decoders

Oddly, the Fall season for 1949 had no cipher messages.  The
complete-in-one-episode shows had no need of "secret message" previews

Funny, the TV verson consisted of complete-in-one-episode shows, but we still
had cipher
messages.

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:10:46 -0500
From: "Austotr" <austotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Screensound Australia

Thank you to all those who made their feelings known in regard to the
disbanding of Screensound.  As can be read on this link,
[removed]  The decision
has been reversed thanks to the community making their feelings known

There is still a concern regarding access and releases, but I think now that
the issues have been raised and we have until February to comment on the
changes, that a lot of positive things could come out of the whole issue.

Ian Grieve

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:11:06 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Bud Collyer

David Asks;

is the voice of the radio "superman", Clayton "Bud" Collyer, the same
man who was the host of the 1960's game show "To Tell the Truth".  I
saw a single show and hear the name, but did not see a spelling so I
was not sure.

Yes, one and the same super nice guy. Back in the says of OTR, if a
"performer" had the ability, talent and range (and the right vocal quality)
they would look for work in the three categories. Dramatic actor, Announcer,
or [removed]

Bud was successful at all three over his long radio career, and was one of
the first to comfortably make the the transition over to TV because of his
good looks.

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:11:21 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Wow!

I don't know about the rest of you guys, (gals), but I was sure impressed
with Louis Giliberto's  posting about "Expressions used" etc.

What a treasure trove of Information.

He is one smart "newbie". The Digest, and the OTR Hobby, have gained a very
bright addition.  And he's only 34????  "Saint's Preserve us". :)

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jyghead

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:28:47 -0500
From: Ruk77@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  [removed] the strangest of places if you look
 at it right
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the Grateful Dead, (of all places) just put out a concert video, the closing
of Winterland, 1978. I swear I heard the keyboardist, Keith Godchoux play the
theme from Dr. Christian in between songs while they are tuning up. I think it
is the 3rd set after Darkstar/the Other One. I know, who cares, but it just
goes to show how OTR influenced a country. If that is a popular song, then I'm
sorry. Maybe he's just playing the song they used for the Dr. Christian show.

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:47:06 -0500
From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  re: Expressions use on OTR

Thanks to Louis Giliberto for a very informative piece
on archaic exclamations! I've got a follow-up
question. Last night I was reading "Hercule Poirot's
Christmas", and at one point M. Poirot exclaims
"sapristi!" This is a very familiar term to me,
because Count Jim Moriarty uses it on almost every
episode of "The Goon Show." (Often paired with
something that sounds like knuckles with a y inserted,
as in "Sapristi nyuckles!") But I had no idea this
word had any provenance outside of Spike Milligan's
rather twisted imagination! Any suggestions on what
"sapristi" means?

Loius also mentioned "Scooby Doo" in passing. There is
a legitimate OTR connection to Scooby Doo and "I Love
a Mystery", as discussee here:
[removed]

Cheers,
Kermyt

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:14:15 -0500
From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR expressions

          I've heard several Irish-like OTR characters use the
phrases, 'For the love of Mike!', "Saints preserve us!', and
'Sweet Mother Macree!' interchangeably for years.  Are these,
indeed, true Irish expressions or just phrases which sounded
good enough to pass the censorship standards of that time?
BTW, who was this 'Mike' character and who was 'Mother
Macree'?

          As far as hearing the French phrase, 'Sacre bleu!', I've
heard some Spanish people use the phrase "Santa Maria!'
in the same context.

Happy holidays!

Kenneth  Clarke

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 12:14:34 -0500
From: Shenbarger@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: OTR Reality
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In a message dated 12/17/2003 Elizabeth wrote:

A middle-class income in 1939 would figure out to about $2000-$2500 per
year, while the average family of four was getting by on approximately
$1700.
A radio cost a lot of money. By the late 30's they were becoming affordable
to many, but not so in the early thirties. The 1930 census for my mother's
family shows they owned a radio. Mom remembers when that radio was brought
home.
Her father wanted one for some time and her mother always said no because of
the cost. Her father talked the dealer into letting him have on trial for two
days and the radio was setup in the living room. It never went back to the
store. The cost was about $50. On the census page with my mother's family
there are
five radios in nine households. That was an in-town community in Oklahoma.

The 1930 census for my father's family shows they had no radio and the number
of radios on eight farms was three. That was in a western Illinois farm
community.

One Internet source that looks credible says there were 14 million radios in
1930, up from 3 million in 1924. There are probably a number of people on this
list with good information on the number of radios and percent of households
that had them. It would be interesting to know.

Don Shenbarger

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:41:48 -0500
From: vigor16@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Family Theater and such

                Hi all,

I am not trying to start something, but one of my favorite shows, thanks
to those conscientious OTR archeivists, not revisionists, is the Family
Theater broadcast of Father Patrick Paiten and Meutual Radio. These is my
reasons:

1.  Family Theater brings us hope through the idea that miracles and
positive things can happen to us everyday people.  It's not all shootings
dollars and rapes like many press people would like us to think.

2. Family Theater's "religeousity" is reflected in the intro and the sign
off.   Many times, the plot lines are real human delemmas that get worked
out.  Revisionists don't like to see solutions to life's problems.  The
attack on the Waltons in the 1970s was one of their best shots.

3.  Family Theater is one of the few examples of OTR that wasn't
generated by commercialism.  They didn't have to sell cigarettes, beer,
soap, coal or any other product to keep it on the air.  I'm sure stats
may prove that the listenership went far beyond the church in which it
represented.  It stayed on the air despite no commercial advertising
which says something about its devoted listenership.  The show has a few
web sites still around that speak of its history and work.  People in
those days weren't bashing someone because he/she went to church or
didn't curse.  Today, as we all know "church goers" are all ...(put your
own words in here). I've heard that church goers and religeous folks are
anti black, anti gay anti envirnmental and much more.  Unfortunately,
that is as far from the truth as one can get.  The purpose of Family
Theater was to encourage us to take prayer as one solution.  I don't
recall any anti messages or racism or anti gay or any other antisms that
some attack the show or religion for.  I welcome, off line of course, any
comments regarding negatives about Father Paiten's show or message.

        As far as "religious right" as mentioned in one posting,
revisionism strikes again.  In the 1940s, there was no "religious right",
maybe "religious".  I am not a Catholic, so I am not qualified to defend
the church, but a show suggesting solutions to real life problems, and
not the only ones, is better listening than a million talk show
philosophers or high priced counselors.  Remember that the impact of
radio was wide spread.  and some folks saw a need to help others see a
way through an increasingly complex society durring war time and hard
times.  Personally, I like it when someone can offer me a way out of a
diffacult situation even if it is prayer.  If I don't like it, I just
don't have to listen.  I hope there is room for all of us in this teapot.
 This is my view and if you don't like it don't post it or delete it.

Deric

Someday, I may have to add a disclaimer to my signiture, below.

Nice to hear from you!
God and I care
Deric J. McCoy  "
314-352-0890

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 16:23:31 -0500
From: David Howell <daveeaston@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Bud Collier - To Tell the Truth and Superman

The recent thread on Bud Collier brought up a question
I have wondered about. Orson Bean (who has also had a
lot of radio experience) was a panelist on "To Tell
the Truth" when Collier was host. Bean was blacklisted
in the 50s, while Collier had a history of being far
to the right politically. Has anyone heard about how
these two got along?

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 18:32:19 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  12-19 births/deaths

December 19th births

12-19-1888 - Fritz Reiner - Budapest, Hungary - d. 11-15-1963
conductor: "Curtis Institute Musicale"; "Ford Sunday Evening Hour"
12-19-1902 - Sir Ralph Richardson - Cheltenham, England - d. 10-10-1983
actor: Doctor John H. Watson, "Advs. of Sherlock Holmes"
12-19-1907 - Ray Noble - Brighton, England - d. 4-3-1978
bandleader: "Coty Program"; "Burns and Allen"; "Chase & Sanborn Hour"
12-19-1911 - Clark Dennis - Roscommon, MI
singer: "Breakfast Club"; "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "Chesterfield Presents"
12-19-1919 - Edward "Shrimp" Wragge - NYC
actor: "Gold Spot Pal"
12-19-1924 - Rex Barney - Omaha, NE
baseball color man: "Game of the Day"
12-19-1933 - Cicely Tyson - NYC
host: "Sears Radio Theatre"; Thursday, Love and Hate Night

December 19th deaths

01-12-1912 - Sara Berner - Albany, NY - d. 12-19-1969
actress: Mable Flapsaddle "Jack Benny Program"; Ingrid Mataratzo "Jimmy
Durante Show"
02-24-1895 - May Singhi Breen - NYC - d. 12-19-1970
singer: (The Ukulele Lady) "Sweethearts of the Air"
10-02-1900 - Barton Yarborough - Goldthwaite, TX - d. 12-19-1951
actor: Ben Romero "Dragnet"; Doc Long "I Love A Mystery/Adventure"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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