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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 410

Table Of Contents: 

	 Big Joe's Happiness Exchange
	 Struggling student needs advice
	 Re: ADV OF AMOS N' ANDY
	 Using C-120's
	 Ed Wynn
	 Amos 'n' Andy
	 Re: Gale Gordon
	 Re: Amos and Andy
	 Re: SAM 'N' HENRY/SHADOW DOCUMENTARY/FOTR Souvenirs
	 Re: FOTR PHOTOS
	 Halloweens of the past
	 Amos and Andy - again
	 changes to Web page

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 22:56:36 -0400
From: bilj@[removed] (Bill Jaker)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: mschmid@[removed]
Subject: Big Joe's Happiness Exchange
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The late-night talk show that Max Schmid asked about on Tuesday was probably 
"Big Joe's Happiness Exchange".  Big Joe Rosenfeld was a southerner who came 
to New York in the late 40s and was on several stations -- always overnight 
-- reading poetry, giving advice and helping out folks who were down and 
out. I got the feeling that there were many "night people" who would wander 
into his studio at the New Amsterdam Theatre. I believe that Big Joe (not to 
be confused with Long John Nebel) was heard on several New York area 
stations, including the original WVNJ in Newark, and starting in 1955 on 
WMGM.  He had a husky voice, with a soft southern drawl. If you want to know 
all about him, Rosenfeld did write an autobiography (which I can't find 
right now; I think I borrowed it from someone and actually returned it -- 
Big Joe would have appreciated my honesty).
               "Don't you want to be happy?
                Everybody wants to be happy
                Everybody's gotta get happy once in a [removed]"
                                --from Big Joe's theme song

(Did I ever sleep during my youth or just lay awake nights listening to the 
radio?  My greatest radio thrill was picking up XERF in Del Rio, Texas on my 
little Emerson in Springfield Gardens, NY at 3:00 AM).

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 23:22:03 -0400
From: st931200@[removed] (KLB)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Struggling student needs advice
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Hi folks.
As some of you know, I'm writing my senior thesis on the transistion from
radio to television in terms of comedy, specifically dealing with why some
people succeeded in the transistion and others didn't.  I am looking for
any advice on books to read or even magazines that would speak about this
issue.  So far, I've mainly been reading old Variety's from 1947 (I'm
working my way up to 1955 because those are the years I'll be dealing with
specifically) I'd also accept advice on the thesis itself.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. And, if I am being NI (Netiquettly
Incorrect) in bringing this question to this mailing list, I apologize.

E-mails always accepted.

--Kerri L. Berney (KLB)
st931200@[removed]
Check out my web page at [removed]
"      " -Harpo Marx (smarter words were never uttered)

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 23:53:23 4
From: "edcarr" <edcarr@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: ADV OF AMOS N' ANDY
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

adv of amos n' andy $12 + $3 post
                      edcarr@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 23:15:06 -0500
From: "Robert M. Bratcher Jr." <bratcher@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Using C-120's
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>
>Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 18:05:25 -0700 (PDT)
>From: ronhare@[removed] (Ron Hare)
>To: otr@[removed]
>Subject: C120s
>Message-Id: <v02130504ae94e6121584@[[removed]]>
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>
>I must rise to the defense of C120s again, I guess.
>
>Blatantly ignoring the paranoia surrounding the thinner tape, both my wife
>and I have C120s playing in our car cassette machines most of our driving
>hours. Over the span of more than 5 years (and about 15 cars with various
>brands of tape and cassette players) I can recall only two tangles. And one
>of these tangles was a C60 that apparently had slack on insertion.
>
>This may be the key - we are careful to remove slack when inserting any
>length cassette into any machine. My assumption that this is standard
>practice may be the reason my experience is different from others.
>

I generally use C-90's myself in the cat for long trips however I also have
four C-120's that have held up well in the car deck. Most of the travel
tapes are music off my 45's, LP's & 78's plus I sometimes carry a few OTR
shows on C-60's. Have had some cassettes wear out but never ate by the
player! Pull it out of the dash every 3 months, open it up & clean the heads
and tape path by hand with some Q tips and 91% alcohol then put it back
together again. Not a big problem if you know how. Sure saves a lot of tapes!

Robert M. Bratcher Jr.
E-mail to:
bratcher@[removed]
Record collector, 8mm, super 8, 16 and 35mm Film collector.
I like old radio's too.
Collins, Hallicrafters, National & Hammurland are my Favorites!

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Date: Thu, 24 Oct 1996 21:42:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ed Wynn
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Ed Wynn did a considerable amount of serious acting. Perhaps his
best role was in "The Diary of Anna Frank".
I seem to recall that when Keenan Wynn would guest star on
the Red Skelton show that Red could always break him up by
slipping in a few lines doing an exceptional imitation of his
father.

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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 00:50:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "'A. Joseph Ross'" <lawyer@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Amos 'n' Andy
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> Date: Thu, 24 Oct 96 07:46:32 EDT
> From: TBARNETT@[removed]
> To:   otr@[removed]
> Subject: Amos 'n' Andy
> Message-Id: <m0vGOF7-000k05C@[removed]>
> 
> Yes, Amos 'n' Andy is regarded as the epitome of stereotyping and racism
> today.  I heard Demond Wilson (Lamont on Sanford and Son) say that A n A
> did serious damage to afro- americans.

I'm not so sure about that.  The show depicted black people as lawyers,
police officers, etc.  I remember watching the television version when
Andy gets a job in a department store as a Santa.  I remarked, "But Santa
isn't colored."  And my father replied that to Colored People, he can be
colored.  In the late sixties, advertizing started to catch up and get
Black people in the ads, including one that took place in "Carnegie Hall."

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A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                                      617/367-0468
15 Court Square                                   lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2573                    [removed]~lawyer/
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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 03:57:15 -0400
From: Lynchmob17@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Gale Gordon
Message-ID: <961025035714_1946603454@[removed]>

He also appeared on "The Casefiles of Gregory Hood", "Flash
Gordon", and "The Shadow of Fu Manchu".

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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:19:13 -0700
From: Jan Bach <JanBach@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Amos and Andy
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Hello, again --
I think I must take the responsibility for this most recent appearance
(for the tenth or eleventh time on this digest) of the
discussion/argument about the ethnic suitability of Amos and Andy as
radio comedy; remember that I brought their names up only in answer to
another listener's post asking other OTR readers to list their choices
of  favorite OTR comedy shows -- and I remain insistent on my choice of
Amos and Andy -- along with Jack Benny, Our Miss Brooks, Vic and Sade,
and the others mentioned -- as one of the consistently funniest programs
on the radio. 
Please, can we hear from some other OTR'ers regarding the original
reason for this post, [removed] other lists of favorite radio comedy shows?
(I thank the OTR Digest -- and Max Schmid particularly -- for my belated
discovery of Jean Shepherd's very funny radio monologues; where have I
been?)
Jan Bach

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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:58:06 -0400
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: SAM 'N' HENRY/SHADOW DOCUMENTARY/FOTR Souvenirs
Message-ID: <961025095744_340540866@[removed]>

Richard Lupoff asks if any episodes of SAM 'N' HENRY survive.  According to
Jay Hickerson's exceptional (and highly recommended) "The Ultimate History of
Network Radio Programming and Guide To All Circulating Shows," 7 episodes of
WGN's SAM 'N' HENRY survive and our in circulation within the hobby.  If you
don't have Jay's monumental book, order it today.
     To Dennis De Marco:  I'm glad you liked my documentary, VOICES FROM THE
SHADOWS.  Street & Smith transcribed their early SHADOW series (DETECTIVE
STORY PROGRAM, LOVE STORY DRAMAS, BLUE COAL MYSTERY REVUE and THE SHADOW) and
for years during the 1930s offered the discs for free to radio stations in
exchange for the promotional announcements.  The programs have been lost to
the shadows of time unfortunately, probably because the episodes narrated by
The Shadow (ala The Whistler, SUSPENSE's Man in Black, The Mysterious
Traveler and Raymond on INNER SANCTUM) became obsolete when THE SHADOW took
off as a crimefighting invisible superhero.  The Shadow-narrated programs
still existed during the late 1930s and Frank Readick's sibillant and
sinister openings (dripping with venom) open and close all of the Orson
Welles SHADOW broadcasts.  The earliest SHADOW episode known to survive is
the first Welles episode, "The Death House Rescue" (9/26/37).   This show is
not yet in circulation, but I own the original disc and hope to have it
released next September with other lost SHADOW episodes to commemorate the
hundredth anniversary of the birth of Walter B. Gibson and the 60th
anniversary of Lamont Cranston's radio debut.  It's unfortunate that the
Frank Readick SHADOWs all appear to be lost, since his sinister openings and
closings (on the Welles SHADOWS) indicate that he was the finest Shadow of
them all.  How did you like the corresponding SHADOW historical booklet, THE
SHADOW - THE MAKING OF A LEGEND, that is also included with GAA's THE SHADOW
CHRONICLES COLLECTION.  To those subscribers interested in this  collection
or Radio Spirits' new 60-show comedy set or The Smithsonian Western or
Science Fiction collections, please remember that all four collections are
also available (booklets autographed upon request) from yours truly, Anthony
Tollin.
     My favorite souvenirs from this years FOTR convention are the LONE
RANGER silver bullet I had John Hart autograph and the LONE RANGER mask (now
also autographed) that John Hart briefly wore when he cried out "Hi Yo Silver
Away" at the end of the convention.  After John Hart had left the room, I
complained that "We never got a chance to thank him."  Fred Foy responded:
"I'm sorry, Tony, but John Hart doesn't stay around long after his work is
done.  After all, he's THE LONE RANGER!"  John stepped back into the ballroom
to call out the Lone Ranger's famous closing, hoofbeats came up and the
William Tell Overture rose to a crescendo to close the convention.  I've
mounted the autographed bullet and mask under glass with my director's copy
of the sctript (signed by the entire cast) and a signed photo of Hart as the
Ranger.  Who else can say that they have an autographed silver bullet AND a
mask actually worn by THE LONE RANGER?  

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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:01:52 +0000
From: "George S. Cole" <gscole@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: FOTR PHOTOS
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Thanks very much Charlie Summers for posting those wonderful photos on 
your web page!

George S. Cole

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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:59:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSEXTON@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Halloweens of the past
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  This time of the year brings back memories of great scary [removed]
back in the 1960's I recall the ED and Wendy King Show on KDKA, in
which they had scores of ghost stories,and a special pallatte of scary
sounds to paint an imaginary scene in the borders of your mind.
   Some other stations featured reruns of OTR programs including one
of a cackling witch that rendered two unfortunate souls in a world of
cold ,dark nothingness.
  The scenerio was the same at Christmas,but mostly adaptations of the
classic Dicken's Christmas Carol.
  If it were not for the miracle of the internet,the few companies thar
sell copies of OTR programming,and those of you out there reading this
message-none of this would be possible anymore.
   Let's keep our interest in OTR [removed] would be a shame if future
 generations would miss out of enjoying that which many people have
taken for granted.
   I'm most happy to discover many of my past memories can be relived
because someone made a copy available of a program that I thought was
gone forever.
    Best,John (JSEXTON@[removed])

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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:07:25 -0400
From: DavidLHsl@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Amos and Andy - again
Message-ID: <961025080724_1314448803@[removed]>

  I haven't posted my own feelings about the Amos and Andy program for a
reason.  Over the time I've been a subscriber to this digest, I have seen
this topic brought up on a couple of occasions, and each time the discussion
degenerated in arguments, hurt feelings, and even insults; resulting in the
list administrator calling a stop to the discussion entirely.  The Old Time
Radio Digest starts to resemble CNN's "Crossfire."
  I do believe the topic merits discussion, because it is something that we
in this hobby have to deal with.  And so far, the discussion has been civil
and intelligent.  I realize am in no position to ask this, but please follow
the following rules:
  * Post only one comment about your opinion and feelings about this topic.
 You can bring up points mentioned in previous discussions; but don't attack
or even criticize the >people< who posted those comments, because they are
just as entitled to their opinions.
  * If someone later raises a point you'd like to respond to and you've
already posted your opinion, don't comment in the digest.  Write the person
privately, and ask them if they would like to continue the discussion in
private.  If they don't, please respect that.
  * By the end of next week, let's please put the issue to rest and move on
to other things.
  The purpose of my requests is to allow everyone to air their feelings and
opinions while keeping the discussion in the digest civil, to prevent this
thread from dragging on forever, and to prevent the list administrator to
once again intervene.  I do this because of past experience, not because of
any delusions of grandeur that I have.
  I may post my own opinions at my website this weekend.

David Hassell
[removed]
a quick Bob & Ray commercial for deviled ham that make me howl with laughter
yesterday:
Devil (played by Ray Goulding):  Hi.  I am the devil.  Go tell your mommy to
make you a sandwich with deviled ham.
Kid (played by Bob Elliott):  Ha! Ha!  I tied a knot in your tail.

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Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 07:48:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: caldwell@[removed] (Wayne Caldwell)
To: otr@[removed] (otr mailing list)
Subject: changes to Web page
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A lot of changes have been made to my web page. If you have not been in a few
days you may want to take a look.

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