Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #96
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Date: 3/26/2001 10:10 AM

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                          The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                             Volume 01 : Issue 96
                       A Part of the [removed]!
                               ISSN: 1533-9289

                               Today's Topics:

     Rcord covers                         [George Aust <austhaus1@[removed]]
     which came first?                    ["Art Shifrin" <goldens2@[removed]]
     Re: Durante and Moore                [Cnorth6311@[removed]                 ]
     Truth or Consequences                [nicoll <nicoll@[removed];       ]
     Re: World War II radio drama - its l [Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];     ]
     Re: Reporters and Books              [ecrasez@[removed]                ]
     recent "apologies"                   ["J. Alec West" <Alec@[removed];]
     Cincy mistake and Fred Foy           [danhughes@[removed]                 ]
     Pat Novak                            ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     Reporters & books [removed]             ["Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed]]
     Truth Over Memory, Please            ["michael edwards" <medwards_47@hotm]
     TRUTH OR CONSEQUENCES                ["Jeff Geddes" <jeffg@[removed];]
     Fred Foy  as The Ranger              [nkenn@[removed]                   ]
     Lone Ranger Books                    ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     Superman question                    [CardiacRx@[removed]                  ]
     LIVE INTERVIEW CORRECTION            [Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed]; ]
     Friendly                             ["Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed]]
     Trivia Question                      ["Vince Long" <vlongbsh@[removed];   ]

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:54:33 -0500
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Rcord covers

    Mark Kinsler offered some very interesting thoughts on recording artists
    "covering" another artists song. I had never really considered that it
    was done by genre. I had always thought that it was done more or less by
    record label. At least in the 1940's when the only major labels were
    RCA, Decca, Columbia and all their associated labels and then upstart
    Capitol. It always seemed to me that when one label had a hit, or even a
    record that was just begining to create some interest, that the other
    labels would rush to cover the song by one of their own artists.
    Interestingly sometimes the cover record was the one that went on to
    become the big hit. Such was the case when Glen Gray recorded "Sunrise
    Serenade" on Decca  and then was covered by Glenn Miller on
    RCA(Bluebird) and Millers version became the overwhelmingly big hit of
    that number. I read somewhere that RCA had intended that Artie Shaw
    record "Sunrise Serenade" but for some reason could not, so it was given
    to Miller. It seemed that the important thing was to have a version of
    it on their label. Generally it seemed that there would only be one
    version of a particular song on each label, but this was certainly not
    always the case. I could never really figure out what the thinking was
    on this. Anybody out there that knows how that worked?

    George Aust

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:54:35 -0500
    From: "Art Shifrin" <goldens2@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  which came first?

    Hi Gang,

    Senator Claghorn or Foghorn Leghorn?

    Best,
    Shiffy
    check out my website: [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:54:38 -0500
    From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Durante and Moore

    1943 - Jimmy Durante and Garry Moore premiere on radio.

    Charlie

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:54:40 -0500
    From: nicoll <nicoll@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Truth or Consequences

    In April we're going to pass thru Truth or Consequences, NM.  Can someone
    on the list recount the story of how it acquired its name.

    Thanks in [removed]

    Will Nicoll

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:54:41 -0500
    From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: World War II radio drama - its legacy?

    Question: How would you describe the legacy of Norman Corwin and the
    other radio dramatists of the World War II era?

    During World War II, their radio dramas dealt not only with the war but
    also with a variety of important social issues: racism, anti Semitism,
    domestic fascism, relations with the USSR etc.

    Such dramas died on radio after the war. What effect was there on post
    war TV?

    (I have some ideas about this, but I welcome your comments. I am in the
    process of revising the last chapter in my book about WW II era radio
    drama)

    Thanks

    Howard Blue

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:45:31 -0500
    From: ecrasez@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Reporters and Books

    John Davis" <WolfpackFan@[removed]; asks:
     >> Does anyone have any recommendations on books about reporting news
    during WW
    [removed];<

    I haven't been through my boxes of books in months, but I seem to recall
    one either by or about Raymond "Dit" Clapper who I believe was a
    reporter during WWII. I haven't read it yet, so I may be incorrect. But
    I think that it was published around that era. The Berlin Diaries by
    William L. Shirer is a good read, which Jim Widner already cited. I
    found it at a bookstore that carries overruns, so you may be able to
    find it fairly cheap still (I paid $5 new).

    Bob S.

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:45:32 -0500
    From: "J. Alec West" <Alec@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  recent "apologies"

    I wanted to add my own twist to the Owens Pomeroy apologies.  Not only are they
    unnecessary, the inaccuracies he mentioned were _welcome_!!!  I'm just as
    guilty as anyone else working from memory in interpreting OTR history.  But,
    when inaccuracies are mentioned ... and then corrected ... it serves to educate
    those of us who may _also_ have believed the same inaccuracies.  So, through
    the process of mentioning inaccuracies and correction, a more true history of
    OTR becomes common knowledge among all list subscribers.

    [removed]  In my own case, I distinctly remembered hearing a Lone Ranger blooper --
    where two desperados were talking when one silenced the other, saying, "Wait, I
    think I hear a white horse [removed]" -- and after a couple of seconds of
    silence, continues with, "I wonder who wrote _that_ line?"  I honest-to-God
    believed this was genuine and heard it with my own ears.  And, maybe it really
    happened.  But it's also true that Kermit Schaefer took 'liberties' with
    reality in his blooper recordings, some of them being re-creations based on
    hearsay (or 'lore').  _THIS_ was something I didn't know until someone on this
    list 'educated' me.  Point is, I may not have been the only person on this list
    believing the blooper was genuine.  So, when I was 'educated' to the truth, so
    were all the other believers (who may have remained silent).

    Thanks for the memories (accurate or otherwise).

    Regards,
    J. Alec

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:12:40 -0500
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cincy mistake and Fred Foy

    1.  I had a bad link on my Cincy info--when you clicked on "Program
    schedule" you got the registration form.  Sorry!  I have fixed the link
    and you can see the schedule now.  It's at
    [removed]~dan.  About halfway down that page you'll see
    a group of 4 Cincy 2001 links.

    2.  Fred Foy played the Lone Ranger--once--when Brace Beemer had
    laryngitis.  Just a tiny portion of the episode is on Fred's CD, not the
    whole show.  The plot was about a bad guy who went straight so he could
    be near his 12-yr-old daughter (who did not know he was her father).
    Can't remember the title--something about Burley Scott--but my daughter
    Karen played the little girl opposite Fred as the LR at the first
    Cincinnati convention we attended.

    ---Dan Hughes

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:13:01 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Pat Novak

    Stephen Jansen notes,

>     Not too much info from me on this subject, except that I think that
>     Jack Webb's Pat Novak was an absolute scream!  "So bad they were GREAT"
>     is how I'd have to put it.  The shows aren't really bad at all, they are
>     [removed] the top.

    Actually, I consider them atmospheric, in the sense of the 1930s and
    1940s detective pulps.  The plots were relatively thin, but the purple
    prose is exceptional.  My wife, who isn't an OTR buff, will occasionally
    listen to a Pat Novak tape, but hardly anything else.  I don't have as
    many programs as I'd like, but those I have, I enjoy thoroughly.

>     Also, to me, the violence in these shows typically seemed much more
>     graphic than in others OTR.  Maybe just the way the writer's presented
>     it: from "The Agnes Bolton Case" after a woman throws herself to her
>     death over an embankment - "The last I saw of Francine, she was lying
>     down at the bottom, in the rain.  Her head was over to one side, and you
>     knew with a little push,it would roll around as easy as a ball bearing on
>     a plate.  Her face was clean, but the rain was beginning to wash the dirt
>     down, and when I left, she wasn't pretty any more."  Just BEAUTIFUL
>     writing, in a hideous sort of way

    Not hideous.  For instance, "A doorful of darkness took Ken so suddenly
    and silently that he disappeared as though he had fallen through a
    trap-door in space."  Sound similar?  That was from the pulp-fiction
    story, The Mask of Mephisto, written by Walter Gibson, using the pen name
    of Maxwell Grant.  It was a story starring The Shadow (the magazine
    version), and was written in 1945.  Pulp-fiction detective story writing
    was an art unto itself.

    Pat Novak is one I'll always savor.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:14:00 -0500
    From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Reporters & books [removed]

    Jim Widner mentioned some good books about reporters during WW2.  Even tho
    the two following books are mainly TV, there are some radio comments in
    them:

        Friendly, Fred
            Due to circumstances beyond our [removed]  Random House, 1967.

        Cronkite, Walter
            A reporter's life.  Alfred A. Knopf, 1996.

        And let's add that really neat collection of Edward R. Murrow's
    newscasts before, during, and after WW2, A Reporter Remembers.  Two Columbia
    LP albums; don't know if they have been transferred to CDs or not.

    Ted Kneebone / 1528 S. Grant St. / Aberdeen, SD 57401 / 605-226-3344
    tkneebone1@[removed] | OTR:  [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 15:13:58 -0500
    From: "michael edwards" <medwards_47@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Truth Over Memory, Please

      Not to beat a dead horse too much, but I don't think anyone has to
    apologize for sharing a memory. Even false memories can spark informative
    and true discussions.  Plus, if we never had the script-dropping thread, I
    would never have remembered to ask my related question, and get such an
    informative and detailed answer.  All that [removed]

      I do think that if you know the memory someone else is sharing is faulty,
    you should correct the person.  If you know that a memory a person is
    painting as a common experience wasn't common, you should correct that too.
    Should it be done gently?  Yes.  But, it should be done, especially in a
    forum like this.  There are already too many lies and half-truths floating
    around about the early days of radio broadcasting.  And, forums like these,
    misinformation that is spread pubically should be corrected pubically.

      This won't be popular, but I would rather know all the info I can on OTR
    and have it be true, then get false info, because telling the truth might
    hurt someone's feelings.  I don't think this list is here for sheer
    entertainment value.  I think this is a fun forum, an informative forum, but
    also a forum for sharing truth and dispelling myths.  If not, we should
    never bother to correct anything, and let stuff like Kermit Schaffer's
    Bloopers (which I was suckered by), and the Uncle Don story stand.

    Would love to get back to less weighty matters, but I wanted to say this.

    Michael Edwards

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:12:41 -0500
    From: "Jeff Geddes" <jeffg@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  TRUTH OR CONSEQUENCES

    Hi all!

    For anyone that is interested, I have the 1947 Christmas Show from Truth or
    Consequences uploaded on my online [removed] account.  If you would like
    to download it, e-mail me and I will give you all the information!

    jeff

    jeffg@[removed]
    ---

    PS:
    I have been having trouble lately with e-mail and have become paranoid!
    If you ever find that this e-mail doesn't work or your messages don't
    go through, please e-mail me at my new e-mail:
    geddes_jeff@[removed] .

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:32:13 -0500
    From: nkenn@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fred Foy  as The Ranger

    This Thursday marks the anniversary of  Fred Foy playing  the part of the
    Lone Ranger. On March 29,1954 Brace Beemer had a case of laryngitis and
    Fred took the part.    The name of the episode was "Burly Scotts
    Sacrifice".

    Nolan  Kenner

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:32:11 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Lone Ranger Books

    Fred Berney, who noticed some Lone Ranger books in an antique shop,
    notes,

> >     One was titled The Lone Ranger Returns, another Trapped in a Cabin and

    I don't recall the other two. The one book I looked at was dated 1941.
    These are hard back books, not [removed];<
    There used to be, through the 1940s, "Boys' Books," which were
    hardcovers, printed on inexpensive (and hence acidic) paper. The Lone
    Ranger books fell into this category, and Whitman Books did some of
    these, both for boys and girls. They published Joyce of the Secret
    Squadron, based on the 1942 radio broadcast (a "book for girls," so the
    author added a hint of romance, not in the program, between Chuck and
    Joyce). They also published books on characters that had OTR and comic-
    book and/or strip origins, including Dick Tracy, Smilin' Jack, Terry and
    the Pirates, Red Ryder, and Blondie. The Lone Ranger books are rare, but
    not scarce.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:20:40 -0500
    From: CardiacRx@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Superman question

    Can anyone help me out?  I was wondering if anyone knows the episode or
    airdate of the first meeting between Superman and Robin, the Boy Wonder?
    Also, the first meeting between Superman and Batman?

    Thanks a ton, all.

    Enjoy your weekend!!

    Best,

    Bob

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:13:56 -0500
    From: Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  LIVE INTERVIEW CORRECTION

    CORRECTION
    The live interview with Eleanor VALLEE, widow of Rudy VALLEE has been
    changed to Tuesday, APRIL 10, 2001, and will NOT take place as announced on
    March 27.  Time remains the same at 10:30 EST.  The place remains the same
    at [removed].  Please pass this change information along as
    appropriate.  Thank you very much.

    Monday night, March 26, 2001, at 10:30 EST, at [removed], Matthew
    Mungle, academy award winning makeup artist, will be interviewed live.  See
    our web site for details.

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:19:05 -0500
    From: "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Friendly

    I was just getting ready to submit a letter to The Digest, but George Aust
    stole my thunder.  He said what I wanted to say and probably did a much
    better job.  I believe The Digest should be a place to exchange ideas and
    knowledge and to have an enjoyable read.  IMHO one of the frequent writers
    went way overboard with his remarks about the script pages, turning it in to
    a personal attack against another frequent writer.  Please, let's keep it on
    a friendly basis and enjoy each others submissions.

    Roby McHone

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    Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:19:03 -0500
    From: "Vince Long" <vlongbsh@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Trivia Question

    I received a question via my website that has stumped me.  Does anyone know
    the source of a catch-phrase that is someting like "Take it away Rosedale."

    I think we need a catch-phrase encyclopdia.

    Vince

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