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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 437


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Edgar Bergen & Charlie McCarthy
	 Re: List of best OTR programs
	 Re: Essential Programs
	 When Radio Was Stations
	 My idea of an OTR collection
	 Old Jack Benny TV Shows

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 95 20:28 EST
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Edgar Bergen & Charlie McCarthy
Message-Id: <m0tNrbx-000JewC@[removed]>

I noticed that A&E will be having a Biography of Edgar Bergen
sometime during the week of December 11.  Might be worth catching
as I am sure there will be radio related items.

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 22:19:17 -0500
From: JanBach@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: List of best OTR programs
Message-ID: <951207193351_127770561@[removed]>

In a message dated 95-12-07 10:14:05 EST, Alan Bell wrote:

>I would be interested in knowing what other collectors consider
>"essential," that is, programs any collector/appreciator of OTR should have
>or at least be familiar with. 

I have to add my vote for Vic and Sade right up there among (or above) the
comedy shows like Jack Benny and Fibber & Moll. A lot more subtle, a lot less
sophisticated, Paul Rhymer took everyday speech and boring existences in a
small Illinois town and turned them into the stuff of witty verbal comedy --
and they hardly show their age because the quaint speech patterns Paul used
were antiquated when they were new.

I also think that Our Miss Brooks had some of the funniest stuff,
particularly when it gave Osgood Conklin (Gale Gordon) an opportunity to do
his delayed reaction schtick. Like the time he discovered frogs and cats
(refugees of Boynton's biology lab and Stretch's parents' pet shop) in his
office file drawers, which convinced the visiting school superintendent that
Conklin was anebriated. A really funny episode, although I have no idea of
its working title.
Jan Bach

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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 21:39:58 -0800
From: dabell@[removed] (Alan Bell)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Essential Programs
Message-Id: <v01520d01aced70312e03@[[removed]]>

Interesting reactions to the original question:

>I consider myself a true collector, and it is my view (just mine,
>maybe, but mine nonetheless) that an essential program is a program
>which you enjoy.

Well, sure. That goes without saying. Still, even though I don't
necessarily care for, say, Lum & Abner, it still should be on the list
because it was a popular program and well-liked by a lot of people today.
Therefore, a novice collector ought to be exposed to it.

> But you'll NEVER get a concensus, here, I'm willing to bet!

Well, we'd certainly never get unanimity, that's for sure. But we might
come reasonably close to consensus if we agree that some programs that we
might not personally care for individually still should be included. I'm no
fan of Johann Strauss waltzes, but any classical music fan should at least
be familiar with them. I never listen to Ma Perkins, but maybe an episode
or two should be there, hm?

>This is an impossibility to put together with every individual having
>preferences.

Once again, I'm not suggesting that we all *agree* that these are *the*
best shows. Just that these are prime examples of the spectrum of programs
that represents OTR to collectors and enthusiasts.

>Even a hundred shows would eventually wear thin.

Of course it would. I'm not suggesting that everyone should have only a
hundred shows. Just that these 50-100 shows make up a representative
cross-section for someone starting out. (Or even someone like me who has
been at it for a while but still has *lots* to discover.)

>my suggestion is to bone up on as many shows as possible and collect as
>many as finances and storage space allow.  Read OTR newsletters for tips.
>There are several very good ones

Sure, that's a fine idea. This is just another idea. One that might provide
a little shortcut for some. It would probably even lead to newsletters,
etc. And frankly, listmaking is sometimes a fun thing for some people. For
others it's a drag.

To tell you the truth, my suggestion was mostly self-serving. I have a
modestly decent collection (about 500 titles) but I *know* there's a lot of
stuff out there that's available that I just don't know about and wouldn't
even know to look for. So if that's true about me, it's probably true of
others.

Another thing, Lou Genco has expressed a certain enthusiasm for the idea,
and seems to be reserving a space on his Website for it. I think he's
encouraging me to kind of take charge of it, but I am reluctant to do so
because I fear I won't be able to do it justice due to serious time
constraints. Lou, would you like to share your thoughts?

_____________________________________________________________________
ALAN BELL  3768 Sonoma Avenue  Santa Rosa, CA 95405  dabell@[removed]
=============================707-546-6988============================

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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 95 00:35
From: "bill harris" <billhar@[removed]>
To: "otr digest" <otr@[removed]>
Subject: When Radio Was Stations
Message-Id: <m0tNvYu-000YJnC@[removed]>

>maybe we are enough strong that we can build a reasonable list to help others
>in such situations as above.  
>
>Here is my entry:
>
>
>WSAI 1530 AM Radio (Cincinnati)  Weeknights at 11:00pm.


Good idea, here is mine also:

KAAM 620 AM Plano, Tx (Dallas/Ft. Worth metroplex) 5000 watts 
day - 4500 watts night. Covearge - North Texas and parts of 
Oklahoma. Weeknights at 8:00 pm cst.

***Jack Benny special***

I really enjoyed the special, brought back a lot of memories of early
TV watching. If we only had a vcr then. Isn't it amazing how those
early comedians got plenty of laughs without one single off color
joke, skit, or one word of bad language? We received a telephone call 
from our daughter the next day, and she and husband had watched the 
show and thought Jack was hilarious. She asked "Why can't they do 
things like that on TV today, something that has some quality about it?" 
Good question Holly.  
Made me feel good to know that my younger generation offspring can
find appreciatation for such things.

Bill Harris

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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:43:43 -0500
From: DavidLHsl@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: My idea of an OTR collection
Message-ID: <951207230507_127954255@[removed]>

  The following is in response to the request for a list of the "essential"
OTR.
  If I were to put together an OTR collector's edition for the newcomer to
OTR, it would probably be something like the following (using the terrific
Radio Spirits' 60 episode collection as an inspiration).  I've selected these
episodes based on either (a) their historic significance, (b) a favorite, or
extremely memorable, episode, (c) an episode from an important series, (d) an
episode from a favorite series where no one episode is better or worse than
the others.  Only the shows which I have actually listened to and can at
least vaguely recall are considered.
Tape 1: Abbott & Costello: "Who's on First?"
     The Third Man: "Every Frame Has a Silver Lining"
     The Aldrich Family: "Henry has to paint the garage" (06/24/48)
Tape 2: Amos 'n Andy: "Christmas show" (12/24/44)
     Amos 'n Andy: "Beautiful Baby Contest" (05/04/45)
     Amos 'n Andy: "Lecture Bureau" (03/16/45)
Tape 3: The Bickersons: "Vacation Trailer"/"Movie"/"2nd Honeymoon" (total: 30
min)
     Boston Blackie: "The John Cummings Case"
     Burns and Allen: "H & R Blockhead" (02/26/50)
Tape 4: Baby Snooks: "Halloween" (11/01/46)
     Damon Runyon Theater: "Dark Delores" (07/03/51)
     Dragnet: "The Big Try" (09/29/53)
Tape 5: Duffy's Tavern: "Literary society meeting" (02/09/51)
     Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy: "guest: Mae West" (12/14/37) (1-hour)
Tape 6: Escape: "Three Skeleton Key" (03/17/50)
     Escape: "Leiningen vs. the Ants" (05/23/48)
     Escape: "The Most Dangerous Game" (10/01/47)
Tape 7: Escape: "The Fourth Man" (08/18/47)
     Escape: "Ring of Toth" (08/11/47)
     Our Miss Brooks: "Bad food in the cafeteria" (03/13/49)
Tape 8: Fibber McGee and Molly: "Jury Duty"
     Fred Allen: "King for a Day w/Jack Benny" (05/26/46)
     The Green Hornet: "Disaster Rides the Rails"
Tape 9: The Whistler: "Treasure Hunt" (01/21/46)
     Jack Benny Program: "The Fiddler" (10/20/46)
     Jack Benny Program: "At the train station" (04/01/51)
Tape 10: Inner Sanctum: "The Judas Clock" (04/17/45)
     Jimmy Durante: "Jimmy and Victor go to Ciro's" (02/18/48)
     Life of Riley: "Riley tries to win a radio contest" (01/17/48)
Tape 11: Lights Out: "Come to the Bank"
     Lights Out: "Bathysphere"
     The Lone Ranger: "Chicamoo Joe" (04/26/46)
Tape 12: Lum and Abner: not sure which episode number, but the one where
Cedric tries to invite a woman he has a crush on to a dance, but winds up
inviting everyone else to go fishing instead (15 min)
     Lum and Abner: not sure on this one either, but the one where Mousy Grey
tries to teach Cedric on how to handle women (15 min)
     The Man Called X: "Missing Microfilm in Iran" (02/24/51)
     Mystery in the Air (w/Peter Lorre): "The Marvelous Barastro" (08/07/47)
Tape 13: Mercury Radio Theater: "War of the Worlds" (1 hour)
     Nick Carter: Master Detective: "Case of an Eye for an Eye" (01/28/45)
Tape 14: Mysterious Traveler: "The Good Die Young"
     Mysterious Traveler: "The Man Who Tried to Save Lincoln" (02/07/50)
     Mysterious Traveler: "[removed]" (05/02/50)
Tape 15: X Minus One: "Surface Tension"
     X Minus One: "Cold Equation" (08/25/55)
     X Minus One: "Gun for Dinosaur" (03/07/56)
Tape 16: The Shadow: "The Gibbering Thing"
     The Shadow: "The Unburied Dead"
     The Shadow: "The Silent Avenger"
Tape 17: The Shadow: "The Little Man Who Wasn't There" (04/08/45)
     The Shadow: "Touch of Death"
     Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar: "The Missing Mouse Matter" (12/23/56)
Tape 18: Suspense: "Sorry, Wrong Number w/Agnes Moorehead"
     Suspense: "A Little Piece of Rope w/Lucille Ball" (10/14/48)
     Suspense: "The House in Cypress Canyon"
Tape 19: Suspense: "The Hitchhiker w/Orson Welles" (09/02/42)
     Suspense: "Dead Earnest w/Pat O'Brien" (03/24/49)
     Suspense: "Pigeon in the Cage w/Dick Haymes" (05/25/53)
Tape 20: Suspense: "Vision of Death w/Ronald Coleman" (06/01/53)
     Suspense: "Till Death Do Us Part w/Peter Lorre" (12/15/42)
     Suspense: "Mission Completed w/Jimmy Stewart" (12/01/49)

   My best advice to the newcomer to OTR is to follow your own interests.
 Get a collection containing many different series and then get more episodes
from the series you enjoy most.  Request catalogs from a wide variety of
vendors, as each vendor tends to have many episodes of a series that other
vendors lack, and lacks series that other vendors offer.  Don't force
yourself to collect a series that may seem important from a collector's
standpoint but is one which you don't actually enjoy.  However, if you hear a
particular episode mentioned frequently in the OTR Digest or other OTR
source, you should consider adding it to your own collection.  Periodically
get a tape from a series you've never heard of, even if it's outside your
interests, as you'll be surprised how many great series there are beyond the
obvious.  Set up and maintain a database of the tapes you purchase so that
you can avoid purchasing duplicate episodes.  Collector's editions containing
many tapes from a series (usually 6 cassettes) may require more cash up
front, but will give you more episodes for your money.
   OTR is best when it isn't just a hobby, but an additional entertainment
medium.

David Hassell
"Woman, I love you.  Now who is the master?" (Cedric, from Lum and Abner)

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Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 00:44:52 +0001 (EST)
From: "'A. Joseph Ross'" <lawyer@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Old Jack Benny TV Shows
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

> Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 11:22:11 -0600
> From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@[removed]>
> To: [removed]@[removed]
> Subject: Re: Jack Benny Tribute
> Message-Id: <[removed]@dlogics>
> 
> Good point. And, for that matter, how come no one is rebroadcasting the
> Benny shows? "I Love Lucy" in all its variations has been rebroadcast
> ad nauseum for years, yet the Benny show, also produced for years and
> years, is nowhere to be seen. I'd have thunk that a network such as
> Nickelodeon would have picked it up, at least for a short while, as part
> of its "Nick at Nite" rotation of old, restored shows. Given the wide
> availability of his radio programs, I'm puzzled as to why his television
> work seems to be buried.

I think Comedy Central was running them a few years ago.  Earlier, about 
10 years ago, they were running on CBN, now The Family Channel, and here 
in Boston on Channel 68.  This was about the time I first bought my VCR, 
and I taped all of the shows in the Channel 68 package.  I've also bought 
occasional shows on video in stores.

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A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                                      617/367-0468
15 Court Square                                   lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2573                    [removed]~lawyer/
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