Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #38
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 2/4/2005 7:29 AM

To: [removed]@[removed]

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 38
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      The Lone Ranger                       [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      Re: Lone Ranger Trivia                [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
      Names ...                             [ skallisjr@[removed] ]
      Re:The Purple Network                 [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Re: Johnny Carson shows               [ Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed]; ]
      Re: Allen's Residence                 [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      OTR wartime drama scripts available   [ "HOWARD BLUE" <khovard@[removed]; ]
      Re: Carson/Benny                      [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      Shady Nook                            [ "Steve Pfister" <spfister2@getcoact ]
      Midnight Cab                          [ Richard Olday <raolday@[removed]; ]
      "What's My Line" on OTR               [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
      RCA 44 A microphone                   [ Richard Fish <fish@lodestone-media. ]
      Fred Allen Grave                      [ Rentingnow@[removed] ]
      2-4 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Cheese it                             [ Bhob <bhob2@[removed]; ]
      Mystery Hall                          [ "Karl Schadow" <bluecar91@[removed] ]
      Blanche Bickerson contest             [ benohmart@[removed] ]
      Re: The Saturday Review               [ LBohall@[removed] ]
      Ted Drake, Guardian of the Big Top    [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:35:33 -0500
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Lone Ranger

>     Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 14:28:45 -0500
>     From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];

>     As I recall, Britt Reid (the Green Hornet) was the great grand
>     nephew of John Reid ([removed] the Lone Ranger).  A better question
>     would be what was the name of the Lone Ranger's brother, whose
>     death (massacre) was the inspiration which led his brother to
>     assume this secret identity.

    That was well established: Captain Dan Reid, leader of the band of Texas Rangers
    ambushed at Bryant's Gap.  He was the father of the LR's nephew, also named Dan Reid.

    As we've discussed around here many times in the past, the LR's first name was never
    established on the radio or television shows.  It was first stated to be "John" in a book in the
    mid-1960s and picked up by the 1980s movie.
    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:35:46 -0500
    From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Lone Ranger Trivia

    But what is even less known, is that the Lone Ranger's great, great,
    great, grand nephew--

    Tim Reid--

    Went on to star in [removed]

    ;-)

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 08:52:10 -0500
    From: skallisjr@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Names ...

    Kenneth Clarke asks,

>     What was the real name of the character known as Jughead Jones on the
>     "Archie Andrews" program on OTR.

    Forsythe P. Jones, as I recall.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:31:27 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:The Purple Network

    On 2/3/05 8:36 AM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     While we're at it, I've read that CBS was sometimes referred to as the
>     Purple Network. Was this for the same reason that NBC's two networks were
>     called Red and Blue, or was it, as one writer says, a joke because someone
>     thought that CBS was
>     like a mix between the two NBC networks, and purple is the colour you get
>     when you mix blue and red?

    The "Purple network" reference was nothing more than an internal name
    used by AT&T switching engineers, based on the color used to trace CBS
    circuits on Long Lines Division maps. The term was never embraced by CBS,
    never used by the general public, and did not appear in any
    broadcasting-industry trade publications of the era.

    The Red and Blue (and Gold and Orange) designations used by NBC were also
    AT&T terms, but unlike the Purple reference, these names also found some
    currency among the public.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:31:49 -0500
    From: Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Johnny Carson shows

    This is an answer I received the The  Carson Company a number of months ago.

    Dear Fred:

    I'm afraid the shows from the 60's have been erase.

    Wish we could assist you.

    Sincerely,

    Jeff Sotzing
    jsotzing@[removed]
    Carson Entertainment
    4119 West Commonwealth Avenue
    Fullerton, CA 92833
    (714) 626-0196

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 09:33:54 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Allen's Residence

    On 2/3/05 8:36 AM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     does anyone know what was the last address for fred and portland? does
>     it still exist? what shape is it in? any permanent guests? etc.

    In the last years of Fred Allen's life, the couple lived at the Alwyn
    Court Apartments at 182 W. 58th Street, a block north of Carnegie Hall,
    and a short stroll from Central Park. The building still exists -- I've
    visited it -- but the large apartments that existed in the Allens' time
    have long since been subdivided into smaller units. It's still occupied,
    and is listed on the National Register of Historic Places.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:08:45 -0500
    From: "HOWARD BLUE" <khovard@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR wartime drama scripts available
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    I have a large number of copyright free scripts available if anyone is
    interested, all of them World War II related. Please contact me off line

    Howard Blue
    Khovard@[removed]
    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:13:30 -0500
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Carson/Benny

>     That show is dated 22 October 1963, at which
>     time Johnny Carson was doing the Tonight Show on NBC.  In fact, earlier in
>     the show, they do a skit in which Jack appears as a Tonight Show guest.

    I thought the original message was about the November 1955 episode, in which
    Johnny plays the drums. (Johnny appeared twice on "Benny."  ) The message
    made a reference to "Johnny being introduced to a national audience,"
    something that would have been pointless by October 1963, since Johnny had
    been a nationally-known game show host for years and hosted "The Tonight
    Show" since October '62.

    Still, Carson and his "Tonight Show" also popped up on "Here's Lucy" on CBS,
    so perhaps the "other network" thing wasn't such a big deal in television as
    it was in radio, when Fred Allen quipped "NBC denies the existence of hell
    and CBS, not necessarily in that order."

    Dixon

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:10:08 -0500
    From: "Steve Pfister" <spfister2@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Shady Nook

>     I ask this one every year at Cinci convention time, hoping for good news:
>     What has happened to the Shady Nook and the so-called WLW Moon River pipe
>     organ they used to play there?

    I've been lurking on this list for some time now. It's funny to see a
    question on here about my neighborhood. I've lived 2 or 3 miles from the
    Shady Nook for a little over 4 years now. I haven't been by that way in a
    couple of months, but unfortunately as far as I know the place still looks
    rundown and deserted. I keep wondering when someone's going to do something
    with [removed]

    --Steve

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:10:21 -0500
    From: Richard Olday <raolday@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Midnight Cab

    I am looking to complete my collection of Midnight Cab
    shows from CBC. I am missing 2 from 1993, 4 from 1994
    and all from 1996. Please contact me off list if you
    can help. I would be willing to purchase or trade for
    the missing shows. Thanks.   Dick Olday

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:10:41 -0500
    From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "What's My Line" on OTR

           Does anyone know where I can get a copy of
    "What's My Line?" from OTR on either cassette tape
    or CD?  I know it was on TV first and then on radio
    (at least that's the information I got from John
    Dunning's book). If anyone has any more info on this
    show and where I might find it, please contact me
    off list.  BTW, were there other panel/game shows
    which were on both classic TV and OTR?

    Another OTR Fan,

    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:11:04 -0500
    From: Richard Fish <fish@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RCA 44 A microphone

    I've got an RCA 44-A microphone, bronze, in good condition, that I must
    sell. It's got an OTR connection, and perhaps one of you would know
    someone who might be interested.

    I had it reribboned, years ago, by Gordon Windham (who worked in the RCA
    Camden factory back in the 1940s). He looked up the serial number
    (B2764) and told me it was made in 1931 as one of a batch made for Radio
    City. So it probably broadcast quite a few things over NBC Red and/or Blue.

    JPEGs and more info are easily sent if anyone's interested. I'm also
    selling a number of other antique microphones and radios, and can easily
    email a list.

    Thanks very much, in advance, if anyone can help!

    Richard Fish
    --
    "Post proofs that brotherhood is not so wild a dream as those who profit
    by postponing it pretend." -- Norman Corwin, 1945

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:12:30 -0500
    From: Rentingnow@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fred Allen Grave
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    In a message dated 2/3/2005 8:36:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,
    _[removed]@[removed]_ writes:

>     does anyone know what was the last address for fred and portland?  does
>     it still exist? what shape is it in? any permanent guests? etc.

    The grave is in good shape.  I was there a few months ago.  Here  is a
    picture at this site:
    _[removed];GRid=20&pt=Fred%20Allen_
    ([removed];GRid=20&pt=Fred%20Allen)

    He is within the masses where he probably would have liked. I just finished
    the Robert Taylor bio of him.  He tells of multiple situations in which  Fred
    was not interested in the celebrity thing.  He couldn't drive.   When he was
    in Hollywood he was given a fancy limo.  He figured out how  much it would
    cost
    the studio and paid the driver that amount.  The driver  went and bought, at
    Freds urging,  a modest car using the money. He then  used that car to drive
    Fred around. The driver got a car and Fred was happy to  help someone out. The
    studio had fits because it didn't jive with the image of a  STAR. Fred didn't
    care.

    It fits that he would be buried in a line of graves just like jillions of
    other people.  Portland is not there and there was no space left for  her.  I
    see that she lived until the 90s.

    The thing about Portland is that she was an important part of the Fred  Allen
    legacy but there seems to be no significant information about  her.  The
    Letters of Fred Allen, a collection is available all  over for about $[removed] and
    that will be my next purchase. Now have "Treadmill  to Oblivion" to read.  By
    the
    way there was an autographed copy of the  book is going for $999.
     Wonder  what he was
    paid to write it.  According to Taylor he had to self promote  it to get it
    sold.  The cover has a Hirshfield drawing.  Hirshfield  was a good friend and
    advisor to him.

    Portland is not by his side as I mentioned  and she is not  listed at
    [removed]  I was wondering where she is buried so that I  could get her
    listed.
    Did anyone write anything about her life with and without  Fred?

    As far as permanent guests, at his grave,  I would imagine they have  had
    their fill and have moved on to meatier subjects. (Maybe this Fred Allen
    thing
    has gotten to me.)

    Larry Moore

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:31:20 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  2-4 births/deaths

    February 4th births

    02-04-1889 - Walter Catlett - San Francisco, Ca - d. 11-14-1960
    actor: "This Is Your [removed]"; "Escape"; "Campbell Playhouse"
    02-04-1895 - Nigel Bruce - Ensenada, Mexico - d. 10-8-1953
    actor: Doctor John H. Watson "Advs. of Sherlock Holmes"
    02-04-1904 - MacKinlay Kantor - Webster City, IA - d. 10-11-1977
    writer: "Lest We Forget"; "Author's Playhouse"
    02-04-1905 - Eddie Foy, Jr. - New Rochelle, NY - d. 7-15-1983
    vaudevillian: "Starlight Operetta"; "Mitch Miller Show"
    02-04-1909 - Robert Coote - London, England - d. 11-26-1982
    actor: "Campbell Playhouse"
    02-04-1912 - Erich Leinsdorf - Vienna, Austria - d. 9-11-1993
    conductor: "NBC Symphony Orchestra"; "Pioneers of Music"; "Musicians Off Stage"
    02-04-1918 - Ida Lupino - London, England - d. 8-3-1995
    panelist, actress: "Hollywood Byline"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
    02-04-1918 - Janet Waldo - Grandview, WA
    actress: Corliss Archer "Meet Corliss Archer"; Irene Franklin "One Man's
    Family"

    February 4th deaths

    01-22-1924 - J. J. Johnson - d. 2-4-2001
    jazz trombonist: "Arthur Godfrey Show"; "One Night Stand"
    03-10-1920 - Kenneth C. Burns (Jethro) - GA - d. 2-4-1989
    comedic singer: (Homer and Jethro) "Town and Country Time"
    05-14-1919 - Liberace - West Milwaukee, WI - d. 2-4-1987
    pianist, singer: "Stars for Defense"
    08-06-1915 - Jim Ameche - Kenosha, WI - d. 2-4-1983
    actor: Jack Armstrong "Jack Armstrong"; Jim West "Silver Eagle"
    09-19-1904 - Dr. Bergen Evans - Franklin, OH - d. 2-4-1978
    host: "Down You Go"; "Of Many Things"
    10-19-1921 - George Nader - Pasadena, CA - d. 2-4-2002
    actor: "Family Theatre"
    11-08-1921 - Jerome Hines - Hollywood, CA - d. 2-4-2003
    singer: "Standard Hour"; "Voice of Firestone"
    xx-xx-1900 - Maria "Gamby" Gambarelli - La Spezia, Italy - d. 2-4-1990
    ballerina, singer: "Roxy's Gang"; "Dance with Gamby"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 15:54:35 -0500
    From: Bhob <bhob2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cheese it
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    The RANDOM HOUSE HISTORICAL DICTIONARY OF AMERICAN SLANG traced "cheese
    it" back to the early 19th Century. A glossary published in 1811 gave
    the meaning as: "Be quiet; be silent; don't do it."

    Re Fred Allen tributes: As I recall, Jack Eigen got news of Allen's
    death while he was on the air, threw out his planned program and
    spontaneously did an Allen tribute for the rest of the show. But then
    my memory is slipping. Perhaps it didn't happen that way. What time of
    day did Allen die?

    Re flubs: I was listening not long after Ricky Nelson took over the
    role of portraying himself in 1949 when he was nine years old. One
    evening when he jumped ahead in the dialogue to read a line, Harriet
    Nelson departed from the script to say, "Not now, Ricky."

    Question: What is the history of FM programming? I remember that during
    the 1950s FM stations would play classical music with no interruptions.
    Some might have an announcer read a list of station supporters in
    mid-afternoon and then return to the uninterrupted music. When did this
    format begin and end?

    Bhob

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:21:05 -0500
    From: "Karl Schadow" <bluecar91@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Mystery Hall

    A few weeks ago I posted a question concerning the station of origin for
    Mystery Hall. It turns out that this program came from Buffalo under the
    auspices of the American BBC-Buffalo Broadcasting Corporation which owned
    both WGR and WKBW. Mystery Hall was heard on either WGR or WKBW and was fed
    to the Mutual Network. Dick Olday from the Buffalo OTR group is tracking
    down the local leads. Does anyone else have information on this or other
    Buffalo produced programs including: Austin Welles, Miss Meade's Children
    and I'll Find My Way?

    Karl Schadow

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 21:01:53 -0500
    From: benohmart@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Blanche Bickerson contest

    First off, congratulations to Nik Kierniesky for winning January's "I Can't Stand Jack
    Benny Because" contest. Here's the scathing, 2005-friendly entry:

    "I can't stand Jack Benny because, when you scratch the surface, he really was the
    patriarch of a pathetically psychoanalytic family: a rude malapropian wife (Mary), an
    idiot savant child (Dennis), a smart-alecky conniving socially oppressed servant
    (Rochester), an alcoholic illiterate ego-centric brother (Phil),  and an insecure drug
    (nicotine) pushing hanger-on, constantly insulted by Benny for being fat (Don).  Benny
    had a bizarre relationship with animals by maintaining a polar bear in his warm house,
    caging and patronizing a neurotic parrot and eating its eggs, even trying to bring back a
    camel from Africa to domesticate it. As a grown man, Benny hung out with small
    children and lied to them.  Even before his pathological family in the early 1930s, Benny
    was routinely insulting Mahatma Gandhi.  This is why I can't stand Jack Benny: all these
    reasons, despite his excellent fiscal policy, his multifaceted business enterprises, his
    love of the violin, his middle age pride, and his sensitivity to gay mannerisms."

    Nik Kierniesky receives a free book of his choice. Thanks to all who entered.

    February's stakes are higher - a $50 gift certificate from BearManor Media. Details of
    the Blanche Bickerson's Valentine's Day Recipe Contest are at
    [removed]

    and all entries could make it into the Blanche Bickerson Cookbook, coming this
    Christmas. Give it a shot, and have fun!

    Ben Ohmart

    Old radio. Old movies. New books.
    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 22:10:43 -0500
    From: LBohall@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: The Saturday Review
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    In a message dated 1/30/2005 1:58:02 PM Central Standard Time,
    Rentingnow@[removed] writes:

>     I first  became aware of Goodman Ace from the Magazine "The Saturday Review
>     of  Literature.  It is amazing to now think that a magazine could come  out
>     weekly whose subject matter is literature.

    Was The Saturday Review published weekly? I thought it came out
    [removed] 2 [removed]

    Larry Bohall

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    Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 09:24:40 -0500
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: OTR Roundtable <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Ted Drake, Guardian of the Big Top

    Several digests ago, Jack French indicated that Bob Slate had uncovered
    this series which was previously not in circulation. We now have one
    show available for digesters and other fans of old time radio. I have
    with permission from Bob Slate placed one episode in mp3 format for you
    to download so that you can listen to this juvenile series. The episode
    is called "The Case of the Invisible Thief" and is from 1949.

    The web page is [removed]

    The file is large 14 MB and is best captured via highspeed.

    This is the third previously unheard series that Jack has been able to
    uncover in the last year. All three are available via my web site.

    Jim Widner

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