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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 416

Table Of Contents: 

	 OTR with commericals
	 Pickle in the Middle
	 Re: Offensive Programs
	 Amos 'n' Andy, once again?
	 Amos & Andy
	 Moby Dick
	 Amos & Andy
	 More on A&A
	 Re: Superman & Batman

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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 07:33:47 -0600 (CST)
From: caldwell@[removed] (Wayne Caldwell)
To: otr@[removed] (otr mailing list), bratcher@[removed]
Subject: OTR with commericals
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Robert
 Check my web page. I try to note which show have commerical in them.

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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 10:48:05 -0500 (EST)
From: lev@[removed] (S or A Levene)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Pickle in the Middle
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Sometime in the mid to late 1940's, when Mr. Kitzel was at his peak of
popularity on the Benny show, Artie Auerbach made a commercial 78  rpm
recording of "Pickle in the Middle".  His little chant is expanded a bit
and the record is fleshed out with a vocal group and a band led by Milton
deLugg.  It was released on the Mercury label.
Sam Levene

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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 09:57:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Don Strong <dons@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Offensive Programs
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There has been much discussion about whether Amos N' Andy is offensive, 
whether it is appropriate for a given situation, [removed]  and nobody will 
ever change anyone else's mind on the subject.

You will never find any OTR program that doesn't offend someone; on the 
other hand, you will always find people who enjoy programs that offend you.

If you like it, play it and share it. If you don't, don't listen.

Back to lurking.

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  Don Strong                                         email dons@[removed]

           For gaming supplies, go to  [removed]

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Date: 28 Oct 1996 05:16:32 GMT
From: kg@[removed] (KEN GREENWALD)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Amos 'n' Andy, once again?
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Looks like there's been an explosion of opinion on the Amos 'n' Andy radio and
television shows. One book has been mentioned, "The Adventures of Amos 'N'
Andy." There was another book on A and A called "Holy Mackerel!" which also
covered the controversial history of the radio and television series. 
For some reason I've misplaced my copy of Holy Mackerel! among my many books
on radio - it's probably at the bottom of one of the piles of books I have in
my library. But I do have the info on "The Adventures of Amos 'n' Andy. Here
it is:
Title: THE ADVENTURES OF AMOS 'N' ANDY, A Social History of an American
Phenomenon.
Author: Melvin Patrick Ely
ISBN #: 0-02-909502-6
Publisher: THE FREE PRESS, A Division of Macmillan, Inc.
Publishing date: 1991

Whether it is still available is up to your contacting a bookstore and asking
them to look up the ISBN number. A bookstore clerk can then tell you if
copies are available. If not, and you are truly interested in reading the
research on this controversial series, haunt some used bookstores for both
books. It is really worth the time.
I have dubbed a huge number of the radio shows from the network discs and, in
my opinion, the show is funny, though the format does wear thin after
listening to more than 3 or 4 shows at a time. (I dub ten shows at a time)
It is interesting to note that, in researching the series, black people who
lived during the golden age of radio and tv loved the show and knew, full
well, that the A and A show did NOT represent the black people of this
nation. Interesting that blacks accepted the show as easily as whites did. 
Yes, times have changed, and dramatically. 
May I add here that it might be a good idea to read Norman Corwin's book
"Trivializing America." ISBN #: 0-8184-0341-1 Published in 1983, the book is
from Lyle Stuart, Inc., Secaucus, New Jersey. Corwin gives an amazing
overview as to where he thinks America has gone. This book, combined with the
2 Amos 'n' Andy books can help in showing a broad spectrum of the changes in
American culture and life.
As for my personal opinion on Amos and Andy - well, I will step quietly aside
on that because the two A and A books and all the comments on the Digest say
it all!
Ken Greenwald

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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:20:01 -0500
From: RadioJoe5@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Amos & Andy
Message-ID: <961028151953_1113526618@[removed]>

Several points to make here:

Tim Moore and company deserve to have their works played again - they were
artists and worked in segregated American, and also achieved a following in
the negro film theater circuit.  Because they worked at a time when a racist
system only permitted the stereotypical slapstick types does not mean they
couldn't do work.

I do not find A&A to be racist, but the fact this was the only representation
allowed on series radio was very racist racist - remember the heavy tobacco
industry investment in radio, and the chemical/soap industry, neither of
which were bastions of social awareness.  White American's would not have a
good reaction if the only representations of whites had been Gomer Pyle (or
Mortimer Snerd), but it really doesn't take much effort put the show in the
context of its times.

Finally _ your show, you get to decide what you do with it.  I did shows with
Pacific for several years until, in ongoing disputes with the
management-du-jour, I finally stopped after one of the managers actually cut
SOUND EFFECTS from a satirical history of Pacifica Radio.  As a result, I
think you are now protected by a national policy stating Pacific will request
changes in a show, but if the producer doesn't make those changes the show
will either not air the program, or will air uncensored.  Towing the
politically correct/fashion of the regime got me out of Pacifica

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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:19:50 -0500
From: RadioJoe5@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Moby Dick
Message-ID: <961028151948_1645766106@[removed]>

I haven't seen the prmotional material, but there is a good chance this is a
rebroadcast of Brown's other series, the General Mills Adventure Theatre,
which aired on weekends for one season as a companion to CBS Mystery Theater.
  I think they also did 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea and similar classic
adaptations.

That was such a rich time for me - it looked like a radio drama rennaissance;
CBS Mystery theater (1 Hour every night), General Mills Adventure Theater
(only the one season), the X Minus One revival on NBC, Sears/Mutual Radio
Theater and the rise of the wonderful ZBS shows.   (Sigh).  Dozens of little
groups around the country - American Radio Theater, Los Angeles Theater of
the [removed], The PBS series (can't remember the name of that one).  It didn't
last long enough to build its audience, but KNX in [removed] still plays the
Michelson syndicated shows in the old CBS Mystery Theater slot -9PM every
night (with a 2AM repeat of the previous evening's show - I worked graveyard
and caught it every night.)

In comics there is the Golden Age (1940s) and the Silver Age (1960s) for
comics.  We had about 25 years of radio ('35-'60, approximately) and a three
year silver age in the second half of the 1970s.

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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 15:39:43 -0600 (CST)
From: barrym <barrym@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Amos 'n Andy
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About the racism of Amos and Andy, I guess I have to agree
with both sides.  I really love this show.  It, and Life of
Riley are far and away my favorite comedies.  All the rest
are second best, good as many are.

And I believe that racism wasn't what Gosden and Correl were
about.  They were doing comedy and doing it well.

But that doesn't really keep it from being racist.  It was
racist because it could be, and was, used by many racists to
help justify their views, and by people on the fence about
racism in deciding what their views of blacks were.  And
probably by some blacks as their self-images were formed.

I remember being saddened when it was announced that reruns
would no longer be shown on TV.  But I understood why.  Blacks
in America who had been mistreated for centuries were speaking
out finally to object to their treatment and they saw the
stereotyping of A&A as part of their mistreatment.  Right or
wrong, their views had to be respected.

Barry

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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 20:27:48 -0500
From: BanjoBud@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: More on A&A
Message-ID: <961028202747_1679361228@[removed]>

I find it rather strange that those who protest the comedy of Amos and Andy
because they were portrayed by (shudder) white guys seem to have no problem
with white Marlin Hurt who portrayed Beulah, J. Carroll Naish who portrayed
an Italian-American named "Luigi,"  and Warner Oland who portrayed an
Oriental sleuth.  Methinks we are carrying political correctness into an age
when life was a little less complicated, and the radio shows reflected this
easier time.
  

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Date: Mon, 28 Oct 1996 21:12:38 -0500
From: Neubacher@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Superman & Batman
Message-ID: <961028211236_219671607@[removed]>

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