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Date: 11/21/2003 6:10 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 420
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: The GOLD Index                    [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Armed Forces Radio Today              [ ERIC COOPER <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
      Hal's kinescope post                  [ Mark Reesor <mrees@[removed]; ]
      kinescopes                            [ "Mike Mackey" <[removed]@[removed] ]
      looking for excellent "country road2  [ "Christian Blees" <journalistenbuer ]
      "Watching" OTR and color              [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      Re:I'm losing it.                     [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      CBS Radio WNR story on JFK            [ Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed]; ]
      Bob Hastings                          [ "Michael Brady" <mbrady@[removed]; ]
      Today in radio history -- weekend ed  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Dick Curless                          [ "Phil Watson" <possum@[removed] ]
      Hartford no longer the insurance cap  [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
      Marconi Museum                        [ "RBB" <oldradio@[removed]; ]
      Radio's Greatest Year                 [ "Steve McGuffin" <smcguffin@[removed] ]
      11-22 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Where can one find good-sounding 30   [ "Tim Hughes" <rekokut@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:49:09 -0500
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: The GOLD Index

    At 10:45 AM 11/20/2003, you wrote:

>     This made me wonder if there are recordings that no one (No
>     collectors or LOC)  would have that would be in the SOLE possession of
>     [removed] In otherwords, would there be recordings that MEdiabay archives
>     have exclusive possession of ?

    This is certainly possible. From Radio Spirits and Radio Yesteryear there
    were a number of shows that probably were never marketed. I can't identify
    specific ones, but I do know, for example, that they had a copy of an
    episode from Exploring Tomorrow that for a long time I had never heard
    until I found someone who happened to have gotten it from Radio Spirits
    when Carl Amari owned it.

    Now, unless you either find someone who has the episode (continuing with
    this example) or if MediaBay ever includes it in some commercial offering
    (not always likely) then it might not circulate easily. In the case of
    possible programs that just aren't currently commercially feasible that are
    not in general circulation, most likely MediaBay will not offer it and we
    might not see it for a long time.

    Even Dave Goldin does not sell copies of his collection and unless you have
    something he really needs, then you might not ever get anything from him. I
    believe the stipulation he was under when he sold Radio Yesteryear was that
    if he had copies of the discs, then he was not allowed to market them. He
    did do a service, of course, by providing the database on-line and free of
    charge.

    Jim Widner
    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:29:51 -0500
    From: ERIC COOPER <[removed]@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Armed Forces Radio Today

    Much like domestic radio, Armed Forces Radio mainly
    exists today in the form of local ARRTS radio stations
    with individualized formats (Country, Rock, etc)
    supplemented by locally produced newscasts, plus CBS,
    ABC and NPR news. I believe there are a couple of
    "best of the Golden Age of Radio" type shows (a la
    Frank Bresee) still floating around in AFRTS land but
    the vast majority of programming is indistinguishable
    from what we hear in the [removed] Rush Limbaugh, All
    Things Considered and football/baseballs games are
    also carried. Alas, like in the US, things like
    Command Performance, just wouldn't fit their format
    any more.

    Eric Cooper

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:17:15 -0500
    From: Mark Reesor <mrees@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hal's kinescope post

    I found Hal Stone's kinescope post absolutely fascinating, but I want
    more! How's the new book coming along Hal?

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:50:38 -0500
    From: "Mike Mackey" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  kinescopes

    Like Kermyt Anderson, I've enjoyed the discussion about kinescopes. I
    didn't know I knew so little about them.

    I think, however, that kinescopes have gotten an undeserved bad
    reputation, not because the kinescope quality wasn't really all that
    poor--because they certainly were, but rather because the implication
    is that there was some other alternative. When it came to live
    television, there simply wasn't. This criticism is similar to the
    complaints often heard from the uninformed about the sometimes poor
    quality transcriptions we have from the 30s and 40s.  Kinescopes,
    like the old transcription disks may not necessarily be great, but
    they do exist and without them we would have no record of early live
    television at all.  Since OTR folk tend to be history buffs, this is
    probably a common view among us.

     It's too bad more of this type of historical record doesn't exist
    today.  I seem to recall when I was a kid watching I've Got a Secret
    that Garry Moore  took a personal shot at a network vice president
    because he (the VP) had ordered the destruction of thousands of early
    kinescopes in the name of saving space. This story is similar, of
    course, to the stories we've all heard about the destruction of
    transcription disks. Is my memory correct? (I was about 10 years old,
    I think.) Does anyone else know anything more?

    Mike

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:51:33 -0500
    From: "Christian Blees" <journalistenbuero@[removed];
    To: "OTR digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  looking for excellent "country road2 copy

    dear friends,

    I'm looking for an excellent audio copy of the suspense show "on a
    country road", starring cary grant - if . is there anybody out there who
    is willing to support a German otr fan (if there is such an excellent
    copy in existance, of course)?  please mail me off list. thank you!

    christian

    Christian Blees
    journalistenbuero@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:52:15 -0500
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Watching" OTR and color

    Timothy Clough asks "In what color do other people "watch" OTR in?"
    Really good question.
    I started listening to radio shows as a small child, before we got a
    television set, around 1951.
    If I remember right, I always "saw" the stories in color, same as when we
    went to the neighborhood theaters and watched second-run and 'B' movies
    shown in black & white: we sorta "translated" the images into color,
    because we knew what they were supposed to look like.
    (I wonder if we responded to certain verbal queues: jungle = green; ruby =
    red; sky = blue; fog = gray/white; desert = brown; etc.)
    One thing sticks in my memory: Listening to Amos & Andy, I could never get
    the color for "Sapphire" right: I knew the character was named for a jewel,
    [removed] was it red or blue?

    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:55:18 -0500
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:I'm losing it.

    I must be getting old and feeble minded. In my recent posting about the
    tie-in between Kinescopes (film transfers) and the advent of Videotape, I
    mentioned that making a film copy of a videotape commercial was necessary
    for distribution purposes, seeing as how many TV stations in the smaller
    markets were slow to purchase the expensive early 2 inch Videotape machines.

    But I left out another major reasons why TV commercials that were shot on
    Videotape had to be transferred to 16mm film. And this practice continued
    right on up into the 80's and beyond, when practically all TV stations were
    equipped with Videotape machines by then.

    Can anybody guess the culprit?

    The first (time dated) correct answer to that question will receive a free
    copy of my book "Aw! Relax, Archie! Re-Laxx!.

    The second place (time dated) correct answer will receive an 8X10
    autographed picture of me wearing that stupid Jughead beanie.

    (You were expecting maybe better prizes?) Like first place gets an all
    expense paid one week visit to Philadelphia, and second place gets to spend
    two weeks there?

    The rules of the contest are simple. In four words or less, send me an
    e-mail  (off list) with the correct answer. I promise to be ethical, and
    will award these valuable? "prizes" to the 2 earliest correct responses.
    Rest assured, this contest is not open to my friends and relatives, (or our
    revered list-master) and in the case of ties, (time of e-mail sent)
    duplicate prizes will be awarded.

    Any correct answer over four words long will be disqualified.

    I will immediately post the winning entry here on the digest, and will
    enlighten you with the truth behind this dumb practice.

    By the way. The only thing OTR related about this contest is that the
    "Culprit" existed back in the days of radio as well. To quote Senator
    Claghorn! "That's a [removed] [removed]'s a hint, Son!!!"

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:56:25 -0500
    From: Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  CBS Radio WNR story on JFK

    This Friday morning, 21-Nov-2003, the story on the CBS Radio World News
    Roundup with Christopher Glenn included some segments on the 40th
    anniversary on the assassination of Kennedy.

    They ran segments of the KBOX Radio "recreation" tape of a reporter who
    sounded like he was on a phone or reporting via a 2-way radio (with that
    fuzzy sounding audio), interviewed some people in Dallas especially the
    vendors around Dealy Plaza, and played Cronkite's CBS *TELEVISION*
    announcement that Kennedy was confirmed dead.

    While an accurate report, WHY couldn't they have played a segment of the
    CBS *RADIO* news coverage with Alan Jackson (no relation to the C&W singer
    of today, but who *IS* the dad of long-time but now retired(?) CBS Radio
    news anchor David Jackson)... Alan Jackson anchored a good deal of the
    CBS *RADIO* news coverage that Friday afternoon forty years ago,
    Fri-22-Nov-1963, and he did the several initial CBS RAD))|((O NetALERT
    Bulletins that broke into local affiliates' programming between 1:30 and
    2:00pm EST that day.

    IMO, it would have been *BETTER* for the CBS *RADIO* World News Roundup
    this morning, forty years later, to have played such CBS *RADIO* segments
    which also should have included the 1960s-era (pre-organ 1970s-era)
    CBS  Radio news [removed] that "stuttering teletype" [removed]

    Mark J. Cuccia
    mcuccia@[removed]
    New Orleans LA CSA

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:56:52 -0500
    From: "Michael Brady" <mbrady@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Bob Hastings
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    As I normally lurk, and as a digest doesn't seem to go by without mentioning
    this stalwart's name, I thought I'd do it myself this time.  I just got done
    watching Batman:  Mystery of the Batwoman, and Bob does his usual stellar
    performance as Commissioner Gordon.  Having done the character on the WB
    productions since 1993, I always thought he lent a lot of class to the shows.
    This latest movie out on dvd is no exception.

    thanks Bob!
    Michael Brady

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:57:03 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history -- weekend edition

     From Those Were The Days --

    11/21

    1938 - WBOE in Cleveland, OH became the first school-operated radio
    station (owned by a municipality) to receive a license from the FCC.
    WBOE went on the air as a 500-watt AM station and later became an FM
    station.

    1938 - The first broadcast of Central City was heard. It was an
    adventure-mystery show set at the newspaper in, you guessed it, Central
    City. Elspeth Eric played the part of crime reporter Emily Olson; and
    Van Heflin was crime reporter Bob Shellenberger (later, the part was
    played by Myron McCormick). Central City aired until 1941.

    1944 - "Happy trails to you, until we meet [removed]" The Roy Rogers
    Show was first heard on the Mutual Broadcasting System. Singing along
    with Roy (The King of the Cowboys'), were the Whippoorwills and The Sons
    of the Pioneers.

    11/22

    1906 - Delegates attending the Berlin Radiotelegraphic Conference in
    Germany voted to use SOS (...[removed]) as the letters for the new
    international signal. The international use of "SOS" was ratified in
    1908. Its meaning? No, not "Save Our Ship" or "Save Our Souls" as many
    believe. Its only meaning was as a distress signal, quick to transmit by
    Morse code and not easily misread. It is not an acronym. Incidentally,
    how did SOS pads come to use the same initials? They're named after a
    patented process, Soap on Steel.

    11/23

    1929 - Shirley Booth and Ed Gardner were married on this day. Miss Booth
    was famous for her television acting role ("Hazel"); but we remember
    when she and her husband played Miss Duffy and Archie on Duffy's Tavern.

    1958 - One of the last drama programs on radio debuted. It was unusual
    in that it followed the TV show of the same name. Have Gun Will Travel
    was broadcast on CBS and starred John Dehner as Paladin.

    Joe

    --
    Visit my homepage:  [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:51:08 -0500
    From: "Phil Watson" <possum@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Dick Curless

    "Bob Taylor" qth4@[removed] asked about the great deep-voiced country
    singer  Dick Curless on AFKN:and asked if any recordings of his show
    survived.

    Some early Korean radio appearances, some Arthur Godfrey show appearances,
    his early 78s on minor labels and the first part of his Tower and Capitol
    recordings are on "Hard Hard Travelling Man", a 7-CD boxed set on Bear
    Family Records out of Germany. I used to have this set and it was a
    wonderful tribute to a great artist. A second set completed his recording
    career. Look at [removed] and search under
    C to see the details.

    Regards from England.
    Phil

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:18:11 -0500
    From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hartford no longer the insurance capital

    My wife emailed me this link this morning, noting that
    it raises questions for whether Johnny Dollar would
    have to relocate:
    [removed];ei=1&en=942f26736d8cc8a0

    Kermyt

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:00:48 -0500
    From: "RBB" <oldradio@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Marconi Museum

    There is a local eviction issue in Bedford, NH where the Marconi Museum
    building is at risk.  Some members of the Town Council want to break the
    museum's fifteen year lease on the building.  A meeting was held on November
    19th of supporters who are concerned with losing the museum's rich history
    of broadcasting.  More details and information contact Ray Minchello, museum
    founder and curator raymin@[removed]
    or visit [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:33:51 -0500
    From: "Steve McGuffin" <smcguffin@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Radio's Greatest Year
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    I think this is a really intriguing and thought provoking question.  My
    initial thought was 1946 or 47.  Jack Benny had evolved into the
    "formula" that we all seem to love so well, Fred Allen was going strong,
    longtime favorites like Suspense were on the air.  But when I thought
    about it, 1938 really made sense me to me.  The Mercury Theater began
    and made quite an impact, Fred and Jack and their "feud", the Lone
    Ranger.  One of my very favorite shows, Information Please, made its
    debut that year.  News seemed to mature (regardless of which network was
    better or who was scooping whom) and people seem to have become
    increasingly trustful of it.  So, I'll go along with the argument and
    cast my vote for 1938.  Great question!

    Steve

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:45:28 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  11-22 births/deaths

    November 22nd births

    11-22-1899 - Hoagy Carmichael - Bloomington, IN - d. 12-27-1981
    singer, composer: "Hoagy Carmichael Show"; "King"s Men"
    11-22-1904 - Roland Winters - Boston, MA - d. 10-22-1989
    actor: Russell Bartlett "My Best Girls"; "Milton Berle Show"; "Highways in
    Melody"
    11-22-1907 - Howard Petrie - Beverly, MA - d. 3-24-1968
    announcer: "Jimmy Durante Show"; "Judy Canova Show"
    11-22-1924 - Geraldine Page - Kirksville, MO - d. 6-13-1987
    actress: "Arch Obler"s Plays"

    November 22nd deaths

    01-04-1905 - Sterling Holloway - Cedartown, GA - d. 11-22-1992
    actor: "Railroad Hour"; "[removed] Steel Hour"; "Suspense"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    05-29-1917 - John F. Kennedy - Brookline, MA - d. 11-22-1963
    [removed] president: "CBS Radio Workshop"; "Kennedy-Nixon Debates"; "American Forum
    of the Air"
    08-05-1914 - Parley Baer - Salt Lake City, UT - d. 11-22-2002
    actor: Chester Wesley Proudfoot "Gunsmoke"; Doc Clemmens "Rogers of the
    Gazette"
    08-17-1893 - Mae West - Brooklyn, NY - d. 11-22-1980
    actress: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show" (Famous Adam and Eve Skit)
    12-31-1897 - Paula Hemminghous - Columbus, OH - d. 11-22-1997
    singer: "Philco Hour"; "National Radio Pulpit"; "Highlights of the Bible"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:13:45 -0500
    From: "Tim Hughes" <rekokut@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Where can one find good-sounding  30 minute
     Nick Carters and Inner Sanctum?

    Hi!

    Does anyone know where one can find very good sounding lo-gen Nick Carters
    and Inner Sanctums?  I'm especially looking for the '48-50 season (30 min.)
    Nick Carters.  BEWARE; a lot of the mp3s of Nick Carter that are labeled to
    be from that time frame are really Our Miss Brooks.
      Anyway, I am looking for said shows on audio CD, please.

    So far, the only Nick Carters that I had found in great sound (well, lo-gen
    at least, it had surface noise) in was the R$ CD of the Month back when they
    had those, and Ed Carr.  A lot of the Nick Carters floating around are
    edited and really horrid sounding, unfortunately.

    Did the First Generation people ever do a project on either of these series?

    Also, Inner Sanctum is also very hard to find in lo-gen sound.

    Thanks again!
    Tim

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