Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #170
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 6/2/2005 8:45 AM

To: [removed]@[removed]

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 170
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Oscar Brown Jr dies                   [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
      old-time advertising pictures         [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      6-1 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      [removed]                  [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
      Harry Shearer on The Bob Edwards Sho  [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      Re:Andy Clyde                         [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]
      Re:Offensive Material in OTR          [ "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed] ]
      Re: CL&Em recording                   [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      If Thy Ear Offend Thee ...            [ skallisjr@[removed] ]
      WTIC's Golden Age of Radio            [ "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed]; ]
      Convention Videos                     [ "Austotr" <austotr@[removed]; ]
      Heavyweight Fight                     [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
      6-2 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:42:31 -0400
    From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Oscar Brown Jr dies

    >From the Oscar Brown, Jr obit in the NY Times

    Oscar Brown Jr. was born in Chicago on Oct. 10, 1926. His performing
    career began early: he acted in radio dramas as a teenager and was the host
    of a local radio program called "Negro Newsfront" while still in his 20's.

    Full obituary at:

    [removed]

    -Irene

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    Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:42:45 -0400
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  old-time advertising pictures

    Thought you might like this site, which has some pictures that would bring
    back memories of stuff that promised to make life better for us (or our
    parents - or maybe grandparents):

    [removed]

    "The Ad*Access Project, funded by the Duke Endowment "Library 2000" Fund,
    presents images and database information for over 7,000 advertisements
    printed in [removed] and Canadian newspapers and magazines between 1911 and
    1955. Ad*Access concentrates on five main subject areas: Radio, Television,
    Transportation, Beauty and Hygiene, and World War II, providing a coherent
    view of a number of major campaigns and companies through images preserved
    in one particular advertising [removed]"

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    Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:42:52 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  6-1 births/deaths

    June 1st births

    06-01-1870 - Frank Cooley - Natchez, MS - d. 7-6-1941
    actor: Reverend McArthur/Fred Thompson "One Man's Family"
    06-01-1887 - Clive Brook - London, England - d. 11-17-1974
    actor: Sherlock Holmes "Sherlock Holmes"
    06-01-1890 - Frank Morgan - NYC - d. 9-18-1949
    actor: Thaddeus Q. Tweedy "Fabulous Dr. Tweedy"
    06-01-1898 - Edward "Cookie" Fairchild - NYC - d. 2-20-1975
    conductor: "Johnny Presents Ginny Simms"; "Eddie Cantor Show"
    06-01-1898 - Molly Picon - NYC - d. 4-5-1992
    actress: "I Give You My Life"; "Molly Picon's Parade"
    06-01-1900 - Werner Janssen - NYC - d. 9-19-1990
    music: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
    06-01-1901 - John Van Druten - London, England - d. 12-19-1957
    writer: "Radio Guild"; "Chase and Sanborn Hour"; "Theatre Guild On the Air"
    06-01-1905 - Robert Newton - Shaftesbury, England - d. 3-25-1956
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    06-01-1909 - Ray Heatherton - Jersey City, NJ - d. 8-15-1997
    singer, host: "Old Gold Hour"; "Musical Cruise with Spearmint Crew"
    06-01-1911 - Erik Rolf - Chicago, IL - d. 5-28-1957
    actor: Hans Simon "Joyce Jordan, [removed]"; Thor Nielsen "Prairie Folks"
    06-01-1915 - John Randolph - NYC - d. 2-24-2004
    actor: "New World A' Coming"; "A Date with Judy"
    06-01-1915 - Johnny Boyd - Enville, OK - d. 6-12-1978
    singer, comedian: "Gene Autry's Melody Ranch"; "Hollywood Barn Dance"
    06-01-1917 - Donald Dame - Titusville, PA - d. 1-21-1952
    singer: "Music for an Hour"; "American Album of Familiar Music"
    06-01-1921 - Nelson Riddle - Oradell, NJ - d. 10-7-1985
    composer, conductor: "On a Sunday Afternoon"; "Sears Radio Theatre"
    06-01-1922 - Joan Caulfield - East Orange, NJ - d. 6-18-1991
    actress: "Hallmark Playhouse"; "Great Scenes from Great Plays"
    06-01-1926 - Andy Griffith - Mount Airy, NC
    host comedy night: "Sears Radio Theatre"
    06-01-1926 - Marilyn Monroe - Los Angeles, CA - d. 8-4-1962
    actress: "Hollywood Star Playhouse"; "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
    06-01-1930 - Edward Woodward - Croydon, Surrey, England
    actor: "Price of Fear"
    06-01-1934 - Pat Boone - Jacksonville, FL (Raised: Nashville, TN)
    singer: "Arthur Godfrey Time"; "Special Delivery: Vietnam"

    June 1st deaths

    01-17-1919 - Dallas Townsend - NYC - d. 6-1-1995
    newscaster: "CBS World News Roundup"; "World Tonight"
    02-15-1883 - Sax Rohmer - London, England - d. 6-1-1959
    writer: "Fu Manchu detective novels
    04-01-1922 - William Manchester - Attleboro, MA - d. 6-1-2004
    author, historian: "Meet the Press"; "Biography in Sound"
    04-03-1893 - Leslie Howard - London, England - d. 6-1-1943
    actor: "Leslie Howard Theatre"; "Streamlined Shakespeare"
    04-10-1910 - Peg La Centra - Boston, MA - d. 6-1-1996
    singer, actress: "Court of Human Relations"; "For Men Only"; "Gulden Melodies"
    06-27-1880 - Helen Keller - Tuscumbia, AL - d. 6-1-1968
    deaf and blind lecturer: "Fleischmann's Yeast Hour"; "Meet the Press"
    08-25-1918 - Richard Greene - Plymouth, England - d. 6-1-1985
    actor: "Somerset Maugham Theatre"; "This Is Hollywood"; "Cavalcade of America"
    09-05-1897 - Arthur Nielsen - Chicago, IL - d. 6-1-1980
    Founder of the Nielsen Ratings
    10-11-1902 - Leon Belasco - Odessa, Ukraine, Russia - d. 6-1-1988
    actor: Pagan Zeldschmidt "A Man Called X)
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:43:23 -0400
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  [removed]
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    Hi Gang!

    With the recent talk here about actor Ken Curtis and his role of "Festus" on
    the
    cathode-ray version of "Gunsmoke,  I thought I throw out a query regarding
    him.

    I know I'm not that swift in making connections--as evidenced by my recent
    posting
    in which I connected in a delayed reaction Craig Wichman's re-creation group
    Quicksilver Radio Theatre  with Orson Welles's original "Mercury Theatre"
    (the operative focus was that "quicksilver" is a synonym for "mercury"). But
    back
    to "Festus."

    If memory serves me correctly, Festus on "Gunsmoke" was a blacksmith. Is there
    a
    possibilty that the name was devised as being derived from that of Hephaestus,
    pronounced heh-FES-tus, the Greek name of the Roman deity Vulcan, who, of
    course,
    was the god of fire and metal-working?

    Hoping somebody makes "Goode" on this,

    Derek Tague

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    Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 10:57:04 -0400
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Harry Shearer on The Bob Edwards [removed]

    Folks;

       As reported on the blog at [removed] :

    If you're an XM Satellite Radio subscriber (and if you aren't, you should
    be), check out today's "The Bob Edwards Show" - although most of the
    interview deals with Shearer's television and film career, there is a section
    at the beginning where he talks almost reverentially about "The Jack Benny
    Program," and the cast members. He noted he thinks often about the
    professionalism of that program when dealing with the "Strum un Drang" of
    modern sitcoms. (For Edwards fans, there's also a familiar music sting to
    take us into the first [removed])

    Remember, the online stream is now included in the monthly price, and the
    "Edwards Show" is "looped" all day on the online Channel 133; also repeats on
    the satellite service at 9:00pm Eastern, 6:00pm Pacific, and alternates among
    the rest of the week's shows during the weekend on the online service, so you
    should have no problem hearing the program.

    XM Radio - [removed]

    Bob Edwards Show -
    [removed];id=739

    XM's On-line Stream - [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:00:56 -0400
    From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:Andy Clyde

    I received my Andy Griffith Show second season  DVD the other day, and one of
    the episodes is, "Mayberry Goes Bankrupt." Then, I  was listening to a Hoppy
    episode, and I recognized California's voice. Of  course, it was Andy Clyde,
    the old fellow who almost bankrupted Mayberry. I  thought how strange it is
    that we can recognize someone's voice who was on OTR  even in another medium.

    Speaking of Mayberry. Do you think The Andy  Griffith show could have been
    successful on OTR. Would Barney for instance have  been as funny on OTR, as he
    was on TV?

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    Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 11:08:07 -0400
    From: "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:Offensive Material in OTR

      While listening to the opening introduction to one of the very first Let
    George Do It shows the announcer rattled off a list of things and then
    saying after mentioning each thing Let George Do It but the most bizarre
    thing on the list was when he said that if you needed your wife spanked let
    George do it. There must have been a public outcry because I don't ever
    remember hearing that mentioned again in the opening introductions.
      Was surprised this even got by censors if there were censors back then.
      Andrew Godfrey

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    Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:42:34 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: CL&Em recording

    On 6/1/05 10:43 AM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     There is a program circulating entitled Clara, Lu and Em 'Audition - Real
>     Estate'  with a date given of May 1930. Radiogoldindex gives an approximate
>     date of 1936, but says it may be as early as 1931. At the end of the show it
>     is stated "this recording is for audition purposes only".

>     Can we eliminate the May 1930 date?

    Yes. The recording most likely dates to the summer of 1936, the final
    three months of the original series run, and the only period in which it
    aired in a half-hour format.  The "audition" disclaimer is there to
    prevent the recording from being broadcast, and doesn't necessarily
    indicate that the recording is an "audition show" -- audition may be used
    here in the sense of the recording being intended for personal use only
    and not for rebroadcast.

    Privately made transcriptions from the mid-thirties occasionally turn up
    with such announcements added, in view of the controversies then going on
    about possible illegal and unauthorized use of broadcast recordings.

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    Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:43:25 -0400
    From: skallisjr@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  If Thy Ear Offend Thee ...

    Stephen Jansen, speaking of "offensive" materials in OTR,

>     So what would offend listeners?!?  Frankly, things could be suggested,
>     and sound effects could be used to get situations across which might not
>     be "allowed".  I would really love to hear some other real anecdotes
>     about "offensive" materials in OTR.

    Well, I don't know what others would consider offensive (to me, nothing I
    heard would fall into that character), but I suspect that a Gang busters
    episode I heard while growing up might qualify for a lot.  The bad guy
    has a lawman prisoner, and says to him, approximately, "Do you know what
    it's like to get shot in the kidney?  It's painful, and you die slow,
    suffering every minute."  Then he shoots the victim in one of his
    kidneys.

    It didn't offend me, but I remember it to this day.

    To a lesser degree, in one Lone Ranger adventure, the  baddies tied up a
    young man, and extract information from him, saying that once they
    checked it out, they'd come back and release him.  He was left in the
    prairie as the bad dies rode off.  Later, after they verified the
    victim's data, the sidekick asks the leader, "What about [the guy we
    left]?  Are we going to release him?"  The leader responds, "Let him
    rot."

    Either of the above might have bothered some listeners.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 13:44:20 -0400
    From: "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  WTIC's Golden Age of Radio

    The latest "WTIC's Golden Age of Radio" programs
    with Dick Bertel and Ed Corcoran, can be heard at
    [removed]

    We present three complete shows in MP3 format for
    your listening pleasure or for downloading.

    Program 32 - (*The original program heard on that date;
    See "New: The Lost Shows!" at our website for a complete
    explanation.)

    November, 1972 - Vincent Price
    (This program comes to us from the collection of
    Steve Lewis)

    Vincent Price was an American radio, television, and
    film actor. He is well-remembered for his roles in a
    series of low-budget horror films where his distinctive
    voice and serio-comic attitude were well used. But, as
    we'll hear on this program, his first love was radio.

    Program 41
    August, 1973 - Roger Bower

    Bower joined radio station WOR in New York in 1928,
    and worked there for 24 years; during that time, he also
    produced and directed programs for other stations,
    including CBS and NBC. At WOR Bower produced,
    directed, acted, and created sound effects. During his
    years at WOR, Bower directed several thousand radio
    and television programs, including: You Can't Take It
    With You, Say It With Words, and Court of Literary
    Justice.

    Bower's most famous credit was the comedy panel
    program Can You Top This?, with "Senator" Ed Ford,
    Joe Laurie, Jr., Harry Hershfield and Peter Donald,
    first heard in 1940. Bower directed and produced this
    program, and also served as moderator and scorekeeper
    for five years.

    Program 42
    September, 1973 - Kenny Delmar

    Kenny Delmar was a radio and movie actor who may best
    be remembered by old-time radio fans as "Senator Claghorn"
    on the Fred Allen Show. But he performed in many radio
    shows, both comedies and dramas, including "Cavalcade of
    America," and "The Shadow," to name just two.

    In the 1970's Dick Bertel created the program for WTIC in
    Hartford, CT. The idea came to Dick after he interviewed radio
    collector-historian Ed  Corcoran a few times on his radio and
    TV shows. "The Golden Age of Radio was first broadcast in
    April, 1970;  Ed was Dick's co-host.

    For the next seven years the program featured interviews with
    actors, writers, producers, engineers and musicians from radio's
    early days. Each show featured excerpts from Ed's collection.

    "WTIC's Golden Age of Radio" can also be heard Saturday nights
    on Walden Hughes's program on Radio Yesteryear.

    Bob Scherago
    Webmaster

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    Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:53:21 -0400
    From: "Austotr" <austotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Convention Videos

    G'Day folks,

    Several times over the years I have seen mention of videos for sale after
    OTR conventions.  Never having experienced an OTR convention or really
    hearing comments on the videos, or I guess nowadays DVD, I hadn't felt
    interested enough to order one.  Its not like people buying the videos are
    writing in and saying how wonderful they are.

    I recently received some CDs in the mail as happens from time to time.  They
    contained mpgs of FOTR 2002 conference.  So I watched them.  I have to say
    that I enjoyed the recreations of shows like Chicken Heart by the Gotham
    Radio Players, other recreations and panel discussions.  Whilst there were
    some microphone issues, the experience overall was very enjoyable.  I got to
    put faces to some of the names from here, I saw Hal Stone being a Crow,
    Graham Kennedy was kicked off Australian Television for 10 years for his
    famous Crow Call, but Hal managed to avoid that word.

    I mentioned the Gotham Radio Players recreation of Chicken Heart on a
    Newsgroup in answer to a question about Chicken Heart posed a couple of days
    ago and the person then states a fair point:

    "I guess then I have one perhaps delicate question.  I think I can find
    this one to download, but if it's under copyright (since it's a recent
    reproduction) then I'd like to pay for it properly and make sure the
    actors get their due.  So far tho' I've been unable to locate any
    "official" copy."

    Can someone from FOTR and other conventions let us all know availability,
    cost, media, contents, of any of these types of Convention Videos?  Maybe
    satisfied viewers/listeners can give us some reviews and feedback as happens
    with OTR books.  Maybe a competition would be good, count how many times at
    the FOTR 2002 Convention, Hal Stone mentioned his book :)

    Ian Grieve

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Official convention videos from the FOTR Convention are
    available from:

    2002-onward: Fred Berney (fsberney@[removed])

    2001-and-before: Don Aston (aston@[removed])

    Note prior to 2002 the quality is unfortunately no better than VHS-SLP; 2002
    and forward are excellent (except, of course, for the segments I shot, which
    may or may not have sound ;).

    And I believe 2002 was the year of my favorite Hal Stone quote; when asked
    why he wrote the book, he said, "Oh, hell, blame Charlie."  --cfs3]

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    Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:57:05 -0400
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Heavyweight Fight

    Andrew Steinberg asks:

>     There is a radio recording of the June 1948 boxing match between Joe
>     Walcott and Joe Louis. The date given is June 25, 1948 which is a Friday.
>     Most internet references go along with this date. The odd thing is there
>     a ticket printed for the fight which gives a date of June 23, 1948. Does
>     anyone know if the fight was on the 23rd or 25th.

    The "bible" of sports statistics, "Encyclopedia of Sports" edited by
    Frank G. Menke (6th edition) states that  the fight occurred on June
    25, 1948 in Yankee Stadium, non-title bout, resulting in a KO of
    Walcott in 11th round. Louis had also beaten Walcott in Madison Square
    Garden the prior December 5th in a fight that went 15 rounds. Later,
    Louis lost his title to Ezzard Charles on Sept,. 27, 1950, also in
    Yankee Stadium.

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL

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    Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:14:36 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  6-2 births/deaths

    June 2nd births

    06-02-1879 - Florence Edney - London, England - d. 11-24-1950
    actress: Aunt Maizie "Amanda of Honeymoon Hill"
    06-02-1884 - Frank Hummert - St. Louis, MO - [removed]
    producer: "Backstage Wife"; "Lorenzo Jones"; "American Album of Familiar Music"
    06-02-1889 - Martha Wentworth - NYC - d. 3-8-1974
    actress: Wintergreen Witch "Cinnamon Bear"; Nancy "Witch's Tale"
    06-02-1902 - Jimmie Lunceford - Fulton, MO - d. 7-12-1947
    bandleader: Big Band Remotes
    06-02-1904 - Johnny Weissmuller - Windber, PA - d. 1-20-1984
    actor: Movie Tarzan and Jungle Jim
    06-02-1908 - Ben Grauer - Staten Island, NY - d. 5-31-1977
    announcer, emcee: "Walter Winchell"; "Information, Please"; "Boston Symphony"
    06-02-1909 - June MacCloy - Sturgis, MI - d. 5-5-2005
    vocalist: "Griff Williams and Jimmy Walsh and Their Orchestra"
    06-02-1909 - Martin Ashe - Bradford, IL - d. 4-15-1991
    actor: "Grand Central Station"
    06-02-1914 - Nicholas Saunders - Kiev, Russia
    actor: Sergeant Ross "Martin Kane, Private Eye"
    06-02-1915 - Walter Tetley - NYC - d. 9-4-1975
    actor: Julius Abbruzio "Phil Harris-Alice Faye Show"; LeRoy Forrester "Great
    Gildersleeve"
    06-02-1941 - Stacy Keach, Jr. - Savannah, GA
    actor, narrator: "Twilight Zone"

    June 2nd deaths

    02-11-1908 - Philip Dunne - NYC - d. 6-2-1992
    screenwriter, director: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    02-18-1894 - Andres Segovia - Linares, Spain - d. 6-2-1987
    classical guitarist: "The Magic Key"; "Theatre [removed]"; "Concert Hall"
    03-05-1908 - Rex Harrison - Huyton, England - d. 6-2-1990
    actor: Rex Saunders "Private Files of Rex Saunders"
    03-13-1910 - Sammy Kaye - Lakewood, OH - d. 6-2-1987
    bandleader: (Swing and Sway with Sammy Kaye) "Sunday Serenade"
    05-04-1886 - Earl Lee - KS - d. 6-2-1955
    actor: Fred Thompson "One Man's Family"
    05-11-1899 - Forrest Lewis - Knightstown, IN - d. 6-2-1977
    actor: Richard Q. Peavey "Great Gildersleeve"; Roy Delfeeno "Vic and Sade"
    05-29-1883 - Dr. Allan Defoe - d. 6-2-1943
    Dionne quints doctor: "Canandian Holidays"; "Red Cross Emergency Appeal"
    06-03-1917 - Leo Gorcey - NYC - d. 6-2-1969
    actor: (The Dead End Kids) "Texaco Star Playhouse"; "Blue Ribbon Town"
    06-13-1905 - Doc Cheatham - Nashville, TN - d. 6-2-1997
    jazz trumpeter: "Benny Goodman and His Sextet/Orchestra"; "Benny Goodman
    Quintet"
    06-19-1903 - Lou Gehrig - NYC - d. 6-2-1941
    baseball iron man: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    07-12-1886 - Jean Hersholt - Copenhagen, Denmark - d. 6-2-1956
    actor: Dr. Paul Christian "Dr. Christian"
    07-25-1900 - Al Pearce - San Francisco, CA - d. 6-2-1961
    comedian: Elmer Blurt "Here Comes Elmer"; "Al Pearce Show"
    11-02-1908 - Bunny Berigan - Near Fox Lake, WI - d. 6-2-1942
    bandleader: "Saturday Night Swing Club"; "Tim and Irene"; "Norge Program"
    11-16-1889 - George S. Kaufman - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 6-2-1961
    panelist: "Information, Please"; "This Is Broadway"; "Who Said That?"
    11-18-1908 - Imogene Coca - Philadelphia, PA - d. 6-2-2001
    comedienne: "Big Show"
    xx-xx-xxxx - Felix Holt - d. 6-2-1954
    writer: "Challenge of the Yukon"; "Cimarron Tavern"; "The One Ranger"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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