Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #412
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 12/29/2004 5:48 PM

To: [removed]@[removed]

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 412
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      CASEY, CRIME PHOTOGRAPHER             [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      Rusty in Orchestraville               [ "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@comc ]
      kemo sabe                             [ <cooldown3@[removed]; ]
      Re: familiar Christmas shows          [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      Kemo Sabe Resolution                  [ "Warren Sampson" <wsampson@American ]
      Re: SPACE-AGE HEROES (was Gilderslee  [ Anthony Tollin <sanctumotr@earthlin ]
      Los Angeles radio research question   [ "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@sbcglob ]
      INVISIBLE WOMAN                       [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
      Gildersleeve's wife                   [ "Jim Harmon" <jimharmonotr@charter. ]
      12-30 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Re: 'Kemo Sabe' As a Racial Slur      [ "Philip Railsback" <philiprailsback ]
      Automobile MP3 Players                [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      RE: Kemo Sabe a racial slur? / "I Wa  [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
      Garland and Orbach                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Casey: "Dangerous Characters"         [ "Joseph" <drjoewebb@[removed]; ]
      Re: Gildy's Wife                      [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:28:22 -0500
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  CASEY, CRIME PHOTOGRAPHER

    Not radio, but is there any record of the Look Magazine PhotoCrime
    feature.  As I recall, 4 photographs were featured in a [removed] crime
    had to be solved, based on what the readers observed in the 4 pictures.

    [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:29:05 -0500
    From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@[removed];
    To: "Old-Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Rusty in Orchestraville

    The recent discussion on Sonovox and "Rusty in Orchestraville" has jogged my
    foggy memory in passing along an interesting website, [removed],
    which--beginning in January--will post once a week mp3 versions of those
    classic children's 78 [removed] records for an entire year.  "Rusty" is
    tentatively scheduled for Week 10--roughly the first week in March 2005.
    These mp3s will only be available during the week they are featured, so you
    might wanna attach a sticky note to refresh your memory.

    It's an interesting site, with some nice images of those great old
    records--OTR buffs will probably enjoy seeing one entitled "Baby Snooks
    Learns" starring Fanny Brice.

    Ivan

    Classic movies, television and old-time radio at Thrilling Days of
    Yesteryear! [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:02:14 -0500
    From: <cooldown3@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  kemo sabe

    magic campfire

    A yellowed compass-dial searching for a friend
    Sends flickering tube-firelight on my wall.
    Outlining two bedrolls near a river bend
    Where bacon, beans and cornbread filled us all.

    A snow white horse and a dappled grey
    Graze quietly, waiting to move on.
    While trusted scout and his kimo sabe lay
    Waiting for me, and waiting for the dawn.

    Patrick

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:05:11 -0500
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: familiar Christmas shows

    In a message dated 12/28/2004 10:36:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

     Why run it again?

>     Because the holiday season is a time when people seem to =embrace= the
>     familiar, the known.

    It could also have a lot to do with the fact that reruns were unknown in OTR,
    and I don't even remember any shows going into "reruns" before the 1950s
    except syndicated fare.  Even then, I know of only a few that were network
    transcription reruns ("The Lone Ranger" and "The Jack Benny Show") and many
    that still had cast members get back together for re-performances, like Agnes
    Moorehead going back to the mike for "Sorry Wrong Number" on "Suspense" as
    late as February 1960.

    In television, there's no realistic need to re-animate a beloved classic
    animated piece (imagine the revolt if there was an attempt to replace
    "Rudolph" with computer animation), and TV shows either did one Christmas
    show and reran it for years ("The Andy Griffith Show" and "Happy Days" come
    to mind) or in later years,  did totally different episodes for each year's
    holiday like "Friends" or "Everybody Loves Raymond."  But even when "The Jack
    Benny Show" was producing new shows in the transcription era, they still
    apparently weren't rerunning older shows just so the cast could take an extra
    week off.

    Obviously there's one much-discussed exception to all of this: apparently,
    what "Rudolph" and the Grinch are to TV, "The Cinnamon Bear" was to OTR, same
    recordings rerun year to year.

    Dixon

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:05:59 -0500
    From: "Warren Sampson" <wsampson@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Kemo Sabe Resolution

    As to the Kemo Sabe suit, I understand the case was dismissed after the
    Judge(s) viewed several episodes of the Lone Ranger television series
    and determined that there was no slur involved.

    Warren

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:45:52 -0500
    From: Anthony Tollin <sanctumotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: SPACE-AGE HEROES (was Gildersleeves of
     Two Worlds)

    on 12/29/04 9:49 AM, [removed]@[removed] at
    [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     Throughout the mid-to-late 1950s, new  space-age versions of the Flash, Green
>     Lantern, et. al. arose, as did a new version of the JSA, viz. the JLA/Justice
>     League of America.

    To bring an OTR connection into Derek's comments, I'd point out that the
    revived Flash's alter-ego of police scientist Barry Allen owed more than a
    little to DRAGNET's Ray Pinker (played by Olan Soule).  And Editor Julie
    Schwartz told me that the name Barry Allen was taken from radio talk host
    Barry Grey and TV talk host Steve Allen.

    But Derek, what would make you think that any of us OTRDigesters would have
    any interest in vintage DC comics? --Anthony Tollin

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:46:45 -0500
    From: "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Los Angeles radio research question

    I received this request this week from a woman in Wyoming working on a book.
    She already has one book out published a year or so ago on Hans Conried.

    Here's her message and question as sent to me, with her email address below,
    if anyone can help her with details or give her information on a radio
    program from 1935 over station KMTR in Hollywood, California.  I do not know
    the answer to this one.

    Jim Hilliker

    ###

     I am hoping you will be able to help locate information I need for a book
    project I am working on.

    I'm currently working on a book that involves an enigmatic fellow named John
    Fred Jeske who was the chauffeur and close friend of silent film actor Lon
    Chaney.  While researching Jeske's life and career, I uncovered a connection
    to a radio show that I have not been able to locate any background
    information on.  In July of 1934, Jeske and his new bride were kidnapped in
    Big Pine, California on the first day of their honeymoon by three thugs.
    Their ordeal lasted 12 days, during which time they were robbed, tortured,
    and terrorized by this gang.  The kidnappers were after the $25,000 left to
    Jeske in Hazel Chaney's will (Hazel was Lon's widow), as well as a valuable
    diamond ring she gave to Jeske shortly before her death.  Jeske didn't have
    this money yet, and in fact only had about $90 in the bank at the time.  The
    whole story was quite sensational and made the headlines nationwide.

    On February 25, 1935, a new drama series debuted on radio station KMTR out
    of Hollywood, California called "In the Crimelite".  They planned to do
    dramatizations of true-life crimes in the manner of "Calling All Cars".
    Their first offering was a play based on the Jeske kidnapping ordeal.  It
    was written and produced by George Neff (who was also the station announcer)
    and starred Robert Horner, Virginia Howard, and Sista Azelle.  The last
    radio listing for this program that I could find in the LA Times appeared on
    April 4, 1936, so possibly the show only lasted a little over a year.

    I would appreciate it very much if you could let me know if you've ever
    heard of this series, or if you know where I might go to find more
    information.  Since the show appears to have been a local Los Angeles
    offering, and the station changed hands a bit before becoming KLAC in the
    late 1940's, it's unlikely if a copy of this show or the script would still
    exist.  Do you know if any of the scripts from KMTR radio shows ended up in
    an archive, or if there is a collection of George Neff's works available?

    Thank you in advance for your time and kind attention to this matter.

    Sincerely,

    Suzanne Gargiulo
    (Douglas, WY)
    Phone/FAX:  307-358-3241
    Suzanne Gargiulo
    E-mail Address:
      smgargiulo@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:48:32 -0500
    From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  INVISIBLE WOMAN

    Kenneth Clarke asked:

>     Universal did do a series
>     of sequels (including the awful THE INVISIBLE WOMAN)

    Who'd want to see a film sequence of THE INVISIBLE
    WOMAN woman doing a strip tease?  Defeat the purpose
    I'd think.

    CAB
    --
    conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
    Encino, CA
    Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:48:49 -0500
    From: "Jim Harmon" <jimharmonotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Gildersleeve's wife
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain

    Hello --

        By the time Gildersleeve moved to Summerville he was a widower.
        His wife had been found murdered, her throat cut.   At first Molly was
    suspected because she had claimed mrs. Gildersleeve had stolen her recipe for
    pickle relish.   A search was made of the McGee home for the murder weapon,
    but when it has suggested the weapon might be in the hall closet the cops just
    abandoned the search.
        Surprisingly, the McGee maid, Beulah, came forward and admitted she had
    done the deed, cutting Mrs. Gildersleeve's throat with a razor borrowed from
    her boyfriend, Bill's, shoe.
    Why?  "She done accused me of being a stereotype."
        Eventually, the charges were dropped on a technicality.   Mr. Keen's
    assistant, Mike Clancy, had made an illegal search to recover the razor.   In
    court, Clancy explained he was too stupid to know the difference.  The judge
    said "Even so, charges dismissed."
        In later years, it was suggested that Clancy deliberately threw the case
    on the basis that stupid stereotypes should stick together.
        Eventually, Beulah got her own show.   There were some talk about her
    being a cross-dresser.
    Not that there's anything wrong with that.
        -- Jim Harmon

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:50:35 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  12-30 births/deaths

    December 30th births

    12-30-1885 - Ed Jerome - NYC - d. 9-10-1959
    actor: Harry Blackstone "Blackstone, the Magic Detective"; Gregory Allen "Rich
    Man's Darling"
    12-30-1894 - Vincent Lopez - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-20-1975
    bandleader: "Luncheon with Lopez"
    12-30-1899 - Michael Raffetto - Placerville, CA - d. 5-31-1990
    actor: Paul Barbour "One Man's Family"; Jack Packard "I Love A
    Mystery/Adventure"
    12-30-1900 - Everett Marshall - Lawrence, MA - d. 4-1965
    singer: "Broadway Vanities/Varieties"
    12-30-1911 - Jeanette Nolan - Los Angeles, CA - d. 6-5-1998
    actress: Nicolette Moore "One Man's Family"; Mrs. Hudson "Advs. of Sherlock
    Holmes"
    12-30-1912 - Hugh Griffith - Marianglas, Anglesey, North Wales - d. 5-14-1980
    actor: "Under Milk Wood"
    12-30-1912 - Nancy Coleman - Everett, WA - d. 1-18-2000
    actress: Alice Hughes "Young Dr. Malone"
    12-30-1914 - Bert Parks - Atlanta, GA - d. 2-2-1992
    emcee, announcer: "Break the Bank"; "Stop the Music"; "Double or Nothing"
    12-30-1922 - Bert Holland - d. 3-8-1980
    actor: Emmett "Shorty Bell"
    12-30-1927 - Bernie Barrow - NYC - d. 8-4-1993
    actor: "Golden Door"
    12-30-1931 - Skeeter Davis - Dry Ridge, KY - d. 9-19-2004
    country/western singer: "Grand Old Opry"
    12-30-1936 - Sandy Koufax - Brooklyn, NY
    baseball legend: "Tops In Sports"

    December 30th deaths

    06-28-1902 - Richard Rodgers - Long Island, NY - d. 12-30-1979
    composer: "ASCAP On Parade"; "Jumbo Fire Chief Program"; "Chase and Sanborn
    Hour"
    08-22-1909 - Julius J. Epstein - NYC - d. 12-30-2000
    screenwriter: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    09-28-1906 - Jack Meakin - Salt Lake City, UT - d. 12-30-1982
    conductor: "Great Gildersleeve"; "You Bet Your Life"
    11-18-1900 - Don Quinn - Grand Rapids, MI - d. 12-30-1967
    writer: "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "Halls of Ivy"
    12-14-1934 - Johnny Moore - d. 12-30-1998
    lead singer: (Member of The Drifters) "Camel Rock and Roll Party"
    12-28-1908 - Lew Ayres - Minneapolis, MN - d. 12-30-1996
    actor: Dr. James Kildare "Dr. Kildare"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:51:03 -0500
    From: "Philip Railsback" <philiprailsback@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:  'Kemo Sabe' As a Racial Slur

>     Under those circumstance, which race would have been slurred
>     if "kemo sabe" had been a slur?

    I remember reading that the Canadian commission ended up ruling that Kemo
    Sabe was not a slur, and therefore the woman had no claim.  I can certainly
    understand how the use of the term could be considered racist even though
    the term itself is not.  In this case an Indian woman's boss kept calling
    her "Kemo Sabe".  I wasn't there so I don't know what happened.  Maybe he
    meant it as a term of affection, though I do have my doubts.  I don't really
    know the details, but I can certainly see how how an Indian could be
    offended by be called Kemo Sabe, just as a black person could be offended by
    being called Sambo or Amos, or a white person being called white bread.

    Context is everything.

      - Philip

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:51:44 -0500
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Automobile MP3 Players

    Tim, here's how I solved my similar problem:

    1.  I bought an in-dash radio w/CD player that had an input jack on the
    faceplate.  About $120 installed at Circuit City.

    2.  Then I bought a Walkman-type CD player, the  iRiver iMP-150.  Hard to
    find now, but here's one:
    [removed]

    3.  Finally I bought a patch cord at Radio Shack to connect the headphone
    out jack of the iRiver to the input jack on the car stereo.

    GET THIS:  With the iRiver iMP-150, you can stop a CD in midprogram, play
    a different CD, go back to the first CD and it will pick up where it left
    off.  In fact, it memorizes the stop-point for the LAST TEN CDs it has
    played.  I LOVE IT!

    And this system gives me a couple of bonuses:

    1.  I have a lot of OTR shows on cassette tape, and I can play them
    through the car radio too--I just plug my cassette Walkman into the input
    jack.

    2.  I also use the iRiver CD player as a regular Walkman.  I often walk
    for exercise, and I listen to OTR (or books on CD) with this unit.

    By the way, I first tried a boombox that played MP3s, but it had two big
    problems:

    1.  It was both awkward (too big to put anywhere easily if you had a
    passenger).

    2.  The sound was too hard to hear in traffic or at high speeds.

    Hope this helps,

    ---Dan

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:22:55 -0500
    From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE: Kemo Sabe a racial slur? / "I Was a
     Commie" as worst program?

    I remember vaguely, a bunch of years ago, a joke that was going around about
    either the Lone Ranger shooting Tonto or vice versa, because he had finally
    learned what Kimo Sabe actually meant. Over time, stories like that circulate
    round and round and eventually, someone hears them and interprets a joke as
    something with real meaning. That's just the way that language and culture
    operate; there's nothing sinister about it. There's a danger, though, that
    someone who hears that Kimo Sabe has a negative meaning, will believe that
    there is some sinister meaning to the term. In the Canadian case, I have to
    wonder if the supervisor who was using the term to address a subordinate
    called everyone he liked by that name, or was it only the Indian lady? If the
    latter were true, I can imagine that I might be a tad sensitive to being
    called something like that myself, even if I did know the term's true
    meaning.

    I don't believe I ever heard any broadcasts of "I Was a Commie . . ." but I
    did see the movie with Frank Lovejoy when I was a kid. I remember eating up
    every word of it, as I did the later TV series, "I Led Three Lives," with
    Richard Carlson. Please understand that during the late forties and most of
    the fifties we were inundated with anti-Communist propaganda and it was very
    easy to fall for the line that all Commies were traitors and spies.

    It was much later that I learned how much more complex was the situation. One
    of my brightest professors, St. Claire Drake, was particularly good at
    weaving tales about the milieu in which he grew up. It seems that during the
    depression, when the sheriff came by to evict some poor family and move all
    their furniture out to the curb, all the government and private social
    agencies would express their sympathy for the situation, but the Reds would
    come by and move the furniture back in to the apartment. To a landlord, this
    was, of course, anathema, but to a poor tenant, it was a blessing. With all
    that was going on, with so many unemployed and becoming homeless, it's no
    wonder that a segment of the population would come to the conclusion that the
    Reds had better solutions to the economic disaster than the then current
    political party that controlled the government. Of course those who had jobs
    and wealth could see no great problem with the economic situation and the
    kind of redistribution of wealth promulgated by the Reds was unacceptable to
    them. Thus anyone affiliated with leftist causes were all lumped together as
    Commies and ultimately, after the end of The War, when the economy had
    improved substantially, they became pariahs. It wasn't until the sixties that
    the Supreme Court held that people had the right to belong to radical
    organizations as long as they personally didn't advocate overthrow of the
    government by force or violence. Until then, many were jailed simply for
    belonging to a left wing organization. Like it or not, restricting the right
    of the people to peaceably assemble IS unconstitutional, but few understood
    that fifty years ago. Thus we can look back now at the shenanigans of Matt
    Cvetic and Herb Philbrick and laugh, but at the time most Americans took this
    bilge seriously.

    I guess the point of all this is we have to put ourselves in the times that
    these OTR broadcasts were created to understand their popularity and impact,
    rather than viewing them from the perspective of another fifty years of
    social progress.

    Sorry to ramble on for so long, folks, but I think this stuff is important to
    our understanding of much of OTR.

    B. Ray

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:44:56 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Garland and Orbach

    We lost two more. Though neither one made a huge impact on radio, they did
    make huge impacts elsewhere.

    11-11-1930 - Hank Garland - Cowpens, SC - d. 12-27-2004
    guitarist: "Jim Reeves Show"; "Country Music Time"; "Country Style [removed]"
    10-20-1935 - Jerry Orbach - NYC - d. 12-28-2004
    actor: "CBS Mystery Theatre"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:57:34 -0500
    From: "Joseph" <drjoewebb@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Casey: "Dangerous Characters"

    Someone has taken a recording of "Christmas Shopping" and given it the file
    name "Dangerous Characters" and it's unfortunately floating around in various
    collections that way.

    BTW, for descriptions of the various Casey shows in circulation, Dave Goldin's
    site has some:
    Casey Press Photog [removed],+Press+Photographer
    Casey Crime Photog [removed],+Crime+Photographer

    On the latter site, notice item #5981 which is recording of the auditions for
    the part of "ann williams" --- does anyone have this

    Also, the show "Truth or Tooth" goes by various names in circulation.
    Especially common is "Tooth for a Tooth." At least that incorrect name is
    an honest mistake, not like the other ones, which are just plain deceitful.

    I'm looking for the Casey comic book issues 3 & 4. If anyone has them please
    let me know.

    Thanks much and happy new year!
    Joe W

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    Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:28:46 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Gildy's Wife

       Mike Kerezman pondered about whatever happened to Gildy's wife.
    That, I believe, is a still a mystery.
       While living next door to the McGee's he was head of the Gildersleeve
    Girdle Co., (which once moving to Summerfield is rarely mentioned again,
    except in the early shows) and his wife was a alluded to, but I don't
    think ever appeared on the show.  Somewhere between Wistful Vista and
    Summerfield she disappeared and was never heard from, or spoken of,
    again.  There are rumours she's buried in the basement of the Wistful
    Vista house, or she missed getting off the train in Summerfield and is
    still riding the rails looking for the station.  (Perhaps as traveling
    companion to The Mysterious Traveler?).  :)
       I don't think there has ever been a real explanation for her
    disappearance.
       It seems as through on radio a character is around a long them then
    just suddenly disappears and never spoken of again or any reason given
    for their departure.
       Joe

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