Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #443
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 12/12/2003 1:13 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 443
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: "Song of the Vagabonds"           [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Update on the Affairs of Peter Salem  [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Bad words                             [ "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed] ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Family Theater                        [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
      Perry Mason                           [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
      Today in radio history weekend editi  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Song of the Vagabonds - Rudolf Friml  [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
      Radio programs on Hanukkah            [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      On The Air by John Dunning, claimed   [ John Francis MacEachern <JohnFMac@c ]
      Lost FIRST NIGHTER and LIGHTS OUT re  [ StevenL751@[removed] ]
      12-12 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Buck Rogers                           [ JayHick@[removed] ]
      Products advertised on OTR            [ "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed] ]
      Radio World magazine/Hal Stone        [ Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed]; ]
      Another expletive                     [ "Jay Ranellucci" <otrfan3@[removed] ]
      The Breakfast club                    [ "Tas Richardson" <tasrichardson@spr ]
      12-13 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:20:01 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: "Song of the Vagabonds"

    On 12/10/03 11:22 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote

>     Is "Song of the Vagabonds" the one that starts "Oh ye sons of [removed]," goes
>     on to exhort its listeners to fight the Burgundians, and concludes with "And
>     to HELL with Burgundy!"?

    Yep, that's the number. It's the big number from Rudolf Friml's 1925
    operetta "The Vagabond King," which was made into an excellent
    Technicolor movie in 1930, and its score became extremely popular with
    manly-man light-opera and concert-singer types thruout the rest of the
    decade. It was all over radio during the thirties, and I don't believe
    there was ever a single attempt to censor the lyric.

    Elizabeteh

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:18:38 -0500
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Update on the Affairs of Peter Salem

    Just wanted to let you know that through the generosity of Tom Brown and
    First Generation Archives, I have added a third version of the recently
    discovered clip (the only one known to exist) of The Affairs of Peter
    Salem.  This new version is the original raw file cleaned up and processed
    through the CEDAR systems by Tom. He offered to allow me to include it for
    download.

    You can find it at [removed]

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:19:32 -0500
    From: "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bad words

    Chris Holm wrote

>     First, let me say that I don't have any problem with
>     appropriate swearing.  In some situations it can be gratuitous, or even
>     [removed] in other cases, NOT
>     swearing sounds silly.

     That's very true especially by today's standards.
    When I was growing up you just did not hear vulgar words that often.  Sure
    they were used but the person that used them, especially in mixed company,
    was looked down on as a low vulgar person.  Every once in a while a damn or
    hell was heard in the movies, as this became accepted more the words were
    used more.  Soon other "bad words" were used and accepted, then it spread to
    TV and radio.  My experience with All In The Family was a little like
    Elizabeth's.  I watched the first episode with my Mother and was a little
    embarassed by it's earthyness (is that a word?).  I remember when the word
    "ass" was first allowed to be used on TV, it seemed like every other
    sentence in network sit-coms had the word "ass:" in it and every "ass" was
    uproariously emphasized by the laugh track.
    Now, it's common to be dining out and hear the people two tables away loudly
    saying that their f****** steak is too tough or they want some more f******
    this or that.  You can hardly walk through a store without hearing vulgar
    words being spewed by trash mouths.  When my daughters were in grade school,
    the whole family went to a parade.  Standing next to us was a large man
    wearing a black t-shirt with large white letters on it that said FU** .  My
    youngest spelled out the letters she saw and asked me what they spelt.  I
    looked at the guy and saw that he was turning beet red and told my daughter
    that those letters just mean that the person wearing that shirt is an idiot.
      The idiot hung his head and went to watch the parade elsewhere.
    I guess swearing does have it's place, but the pendulum has swung too far
    for my tastes, thank God for OTR and classic TV programs where people that
    feel the way I do can be entertained without being cursed.
    I don't mean to be picking on Chris or anyone else, this is just my opinion.

    Roby McHone
    Fairbanks, Alaska

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:40:00 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

       From Those Were The Days --

    12/10

    1927 - For the first time, famed radio announcer George Hay introduced the
    WSM Barn Dance as The Grand Ole Opry.

    12/11

    1944 - The Chesterfield Supper Club debuted on NBC. Perry Como, Jo
    Stafford and many other stars of the day shared the spotlight on the
    15-minute show that aired five nights a week. The show was sponsored by
    Chesterfield cigarettes.

    Little humour here:  The first display of the Northern Lights was
    recorded in America. The sighting was made in New England on this day in
    1719. The report said that a mysterious face seemed to appear in the
    atmosphere; and, since most aurora borealis displays occur in September
    and October and again in March and April, this is very strange, indeed!

    The green, red, and frost-white light displays occur most frequently
    when there is a great deal of sunspot activity.

    Old joke.  Phil Harris and Alice Faye go to Alaska to see the Northern
    Lights.  While watching them Phil notices Alice yawning and asks, "Does
    the aurora bore ya Alice?"

    Joe

    --
    Visit my homepage:  [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:40:28 -0500
    From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Family Theater

    Andrew's comments about Family Theater are "right on."  I have quite a few
    of them on CD and find them delightful and well worth listening to.  Too bad
    there's little of that on the air now.  If one did not know that the Family
    Theater was a Catholic show, it would be hard to find any sectarian
    preaching in it.  The only commercial for that show was "The family that
    prays together stays together."
        "Unshackled" is the only religious drama program left, and
    unfortunately, we have no stations in our part of South Dakota that carry
    it.  If there are other shows out there, I'm not aware of them.

    Ted Kneebone/1528 S. Grant [removed], SD 57401/605-226-3344
    OTR: [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:40:35 -0500
    From: <otrbuff@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Perry Mason

    Actor John Larkin was Perry Mason for me!  Raymond Burr was merely an
    afterthought.  While almost everyone may write off radio's PM as a soap
    opera, it was a classic tale of sleuthing principally by Mason himself that
    led from one fascinating installment to the next, without reaching a
    conclusion to a specific case for many months.  One of those took 18 months
    to resolve.  TV-only addicts would never understand.  They could hardly
    believe that the radio audience knew the identities of culprits long before
    anybody ever reached a courtroom (if indeed they ever did).  Mason would be
    caught up in preventing further and greater crimes against his clients, some
    of whom were in hiding from everybody, including Mason himself, in an effort
    to avoid impending doom.  Could Mason find them before the killers that
    promised their extinction did?  I know I could hardly wait until 2:15 to
    arrive every day, and I absolutely hated the weekends and the resumption of
    school in the fall, preventing me from finding out "what happens next."  It
    was, by far, the most captivating drama on the air.  My collection of
    several hundred PM episodes still keeps me entranced with their chilling
    intrigue, even knowing the outcome.  Writer Irving Vendig , in my opinion,
    is unsurpassed by anybody in creating plots with spellbinding action and
    dialogue.

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:40:43 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history  weekend edition

    12/12

     From The [removed] --

    1901 -- Italian inventor Guglielmo Marconi receives the first
    transatlantic radio transmission in St. John's Newfoundland.

     From Those Were The Days --

    1937 - The Federal Communications Commission was a bit upset with NBC.
    The FCC scolded the radio network for a skit that starred Mae West. The
    satirical routine was based on the biblical tale of Adam and Eve and,
    well, it got a bit out of hand. So, following its scolding by the FCC,
    NBC banned Miss West from its airwaves for 15 years. Even the mere
    mention of her name on NBC was a no-no.

    12/13

    1942 - The characters of Allen's Alley were presented for the first time
    on The Fred Allen Show. This particular segment of the show became very
    popular and was used by Allen until 1949. Remember the stops along the
    way in Allen's Alley? They were at the Brooklyn tenement of Mrs.
    Nussbaum, the farmhouse of Titus Moody, the shack of Ajax Cassidy and
    the antebellum mansion of Senator Beauregard Claghorn.

    12/14

    1953 - Fred Allen returned from semiretirement to narrate Prokofiev's
    classic, Peter and the Wolf, on the Bell Telephone Hour on NBC.

    Joe

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:50:14 -0500
    From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Song of the Vagabonds - Rudolf Friml

    Hi Gang -

    In issue 441 of the otrdigest Derek Tague inquired

>      ... Is "Song of the Vagabonds" the one that starts "Oh ye sons of
>     [removed]," goes on to exhort its listeners to figt the
>     Burgundians,  ...

    The Answer is "YES".

    He goes on:

>      If so, then this'll help me out. I never really knew the title to this
>      anthem.  It sounds like it was written by Victor Herbert or
>      Sigmund Romburg, or one of those guys.

    The guy was Rudolf Friml.   The operetta is "The Vagabond King".

    I have recordings of two versions.  There may be more.   There is
    a slightly different title to the song in each version.  In one version,
    The song title given is:   "The Song of the Hugenots" and the lyrics end
    as Derek stated.  In the other version, the song title is "The Song of
    the Vagabonds", and the words are changed to "... And AWAY with Burgundy".

    Also, in both versions the song begins "Sons of toil and danger, would you
    serve a stranger and bow down to Burgundy".

    This operetta was performed on radio several times (sorry, I don't remember
    where or when), and I would presume the second version was used on the air.

    Happy Taping --  Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois
    kenpiletic@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:50:49 -0500
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio programs on Hanukkah

    I was contacted recently by a person who is looking for the following:

    "I have been asked to do a Christmas radio show, live, and I wanted to find
    something about Hanukkah or dealing with the fact that we're Jews living in
    a Christian country as evinced by the relentless celebration of Christmas.
    I was hoping to find some kind of radio script, preferably funny, that
    addresses this for it's Jewish audience. "

    She had been looking at the Goldbergs. I haven't seen any scripts floating
    around and she indicated that if an audio version exists, she would
    transcribe it. However, the Goldberg episodes I have and what seems to be
    floating around not only don't seem to focus on Hanukkah they don't mention
    the holiday season at all.

    I thought this digest could come up with some ideas. Would anyone
    (including those who do radio productions) have any ideas on radio shows
    that touch on the themes she mentions above?  As long as the audio exists,
    she said she'd be willing to transcribe it.

    Thanks from me and I know she will be thankful too.

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:50:59 -0500
    From: John Francis MacEachern <JohnFMac@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  On The Air by John Dunning, claimed

    Hi !

    Wow, I was totally surprised by the number of people who responded to my
    offer.  When I made the offer of the dog mauled book, I honestly thought
    it was a 50-50 chance that I'd even get one response.  So, as I said,
    the book will shortly be on it's way to the first responder, to all the
    others, sorry.

    John Mac

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:51:07 -0500
    From: StevenL751@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Lost FIRST NIGHTER and LIGHTS OUT recreations
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
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    The Gotham Radio Players will be on the air this Sunday with recreations of
    lost episodes from two classic radio series.

    First up will be "For Pete's Sake," a lost 1953 episode from the FIRST
    NIGHTER PROGRAM.  Will Pete Barnum be able to convince Gwennetta Giseldorff
    (Miss
    County Seat of 1949) to go into the movies, or will she return to Two
    Feathers,
    Wisconsin, to marry boyfriend Ralph?  The course of true love doesn't ever run
    smooth in this fun romantic comedy, recorded live on stage at this past
    October's Friends of Old-Time Radio Convention.

    Next up will a live, in-studio performance of a lost 1937 episode from LIGHTS
    OUT.  In this Arch Oboler thriller not heard since it's original broadcast
    more than 65 years ago, "Brain Wave" tells the horrifying tale of Dr. Agatha
    Lynn and her attempt to create a machine that can read thoughts.  What she
    ends
    up with, however, is something that should have remained beyond the [removed]

    Both recreations can be heard this coming Sunday, December 14th, 7:00 - 9:00
    PM (eastern) as part of  "The Golden Age of Radio" on WBAI, [removed] FM in New
    York.  You can also listen in via the live webstream at [removed] .

    The Gotham Radio Players were formed in 1991 by a group of enthusiasts for
    the heyday of radio drama.  Our mission is to bring new productions of classic
    radio programs of the 1930's, 1940's, and 1950's to the airwaves of the new
    millennium, as well as showcase original scripts written by the emerging audio
    dramatists of today.  Now under the leadership of Max Schmid as producer and
    Steven Lewis as director, the Gotham Radio Players are featured regularly in
    performances on WBAI-FM, at the annual "Friends of Old-Time Radio"
    Convention, and
    at other appearances in the New York City metropolitan area.

    I hope you'll tune in!

    Steve Lewis
    director, Gotham Radio Players

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:50:38 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  12-12 births/deaths

    December 12th births

    12-12-1893 - Edward G. Robinson - Bucharest, Romania - d. 1-26-1973
    actor: Steve Wilson "Big Town"
    12-12-1902 - Helen Menken - NYC - d. 3-27-1966
    actress: Brenda Cummings "Second Husband"
    12-12-1913 - Winston Burdette - Buffalo, NY - d. 5-19-1993
    newscaster: (protege of Edward R. Murrow) "CBS World News Round Up"
    12-12-1915 - Frank Sinatra - Hoboken, NJ - d. 5-14-1998
    singer, actor: (The Voice), "Your Hit Parade"; Rocky Fortune "Rocky Fortune"

    December 12th deaths

    01-31-1902 - Tullulah Bankhead - Huntsville, AL - d. 12-12-1968
    actress, hostess: "Johnny Presents"; "Big Show"
    02-27-1891 - David Sarnoff - Minsk, Russia - d. 12-12-1971
    executive: National Broadcasting Company"
    02-27-1907 - Mildred Bailey - Tekoa, WA - d. 12-12-1951
    singer: (Rockin" Chair Lady) "Mildred Bailey Show"; "Camel Caravan"
    04-18-1902 - Harry Owens - O"Neill, NE - d. 12-12-1986
    bandleader: "Hawaii Calls"
    05-07-1923 - Anne Baxter - MI City, IN - d. 12-12-1985
    actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    05-11-1912 - Foster Brooks - Louisville, KY - d. 12-12-2001
    disc jockey: "Foster Brooks Show"; "Melody, Inc."; "Million Dollar Ballroom"
    05-22-1910 - Johnny Olsen - Windom, MN - d. 12-12-1985
    emcee, announcer: "Ladies Be Seated"; "Get Rich Quick"
    05-23-1883 - Douglas Fairbanks - Denver, CO - d. 12-12-1939
    commentator: "KHJ Los Angeles 1921"
    08-29-1916 - George Montgomery - Brady, MT - d. 12-12-2000
    actor: "Hollywood Star Time"; "NBC University Theatre of the Air"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:52:31 -0500
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Buck Rogers

    Dee Falkinburg is looking for show lists or logs of Buck Rogers.  He has 20
    "Popsicle" broadcasts on mp3's and needs an order of shows.  His email is
    <dfalkin@[removed];   Jay

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:53:07 -0500
    From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Products advertised on OTR

        You can see images of several packages of products that were promoted by
    sponsors on old-time radio on a fine website titled The American Package
    Museum.  On the home page, click on 'Index' near the top of the page.  (If
    you have broadband you can even view some packages in 3D; that is, you can
    navigate the image with your mouse and see all sides of it.)

         Improvements and additions will eventually be made to the site.   Go
    to:

    [removed]

      -- Phil C.

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:53:27 -0500
    From: Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio World magazine/Hal Stone

    The new issue of Radio World magazine (Dec 17, 2004) has a nice review of
    Hal Stone's book, complete with cover photo of the cover of the book, and
    a great 1940's photo of Hal, Bob Hastings, and Gloria Mann in an Archie
    pose.

    Radio World has a website with articles from the magazine, but as I write
    this they have not yet posted this week's issue.  It may be up by the
    time you read this; give it a try:

    [removed]

    (Even if the new issue is up, it may not carry that particular story).

    Radio World magazine is kinda' like Billboard--an industry trade paper
    for radio engineers and managers.  Doubt that you can find it on a
    newsstand, but bet you can order a copy from the website.

    ---Dan

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:05:47 -0500
    From: "Jay Ranellucci" <otrfan3@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Another expletive

    Don't forget on Corliss Archer, Dexter was always saying "Holy Cow,
    Corliss!!"

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:17:22 -0500
    From: "Tas Richardson" <tasrichardson@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Breakfast club

    A friend has loaned me a very interesting OTR book. It is the 'Breakfast
    Club Family Album'.  It has a brown leather-like cover with gold lettering
    and is nine inches wide by six inches high, with 96 pages.  The copyright is
    1942 by Don McNeill, and is filled with photos of the many cast members and
    gives the history of the first ten years of the Breakfast Club, which began
    in 1933.  It had been formerly known as the "Pepper Pot" until McNeill took
    over as "messer of ceremonies", and changed the name & format.

    Growing up in Canada in the late 30's and 40's I do recall hearing the
    program occasionally, so it must have been carried by a Calgary station.
    Another friend, who is also a OTR Digester, ex-broadcaster Richard Pratz,
    remembers being taken to the broadcast by his mom, as he grew up in Chicago.
    He was disappointed to see that the breakfast table that everyone supposedly
    marched around was actually a blacktop table that most of the cast set
    around, and strewn with scripts, ashtrays and coffee cups. No ham and eggs
    or Cream of Wheat.  But audience members were encouraged to get up and march
    around, led by regular Sam Cowling, flapping his arms,  which caused a lot
    of confusion and gales of laughter, which is what the radio audience heard.

    Looking through the book, I was surprised to see that Jim and Marion Jordan
    had been early regulars on the show before becoming Fibber McGee and Molly.
    Anyway, I am enjoying the book, which also includes poetry, drawings by Don,
    words of inspiration, lots of corny jokes, and pictures of Jack Baker, Nancy
    Martin, Marion Mann, orchestra leader, Walter Blaufuss, the Vagabonds,
    Escorts and Betty, the Merry Macs, Fran Allison (Aunt Fanny), Bill Thompson
    (Mr. Wimple) and on and on, and was wondering if anyone else on here knows
    of it, or even has a copy.

    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays,

    Tas ....in crispy, snowy Alberta.

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    Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:17:34 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  12-13 births/deaths

    December 13th births

    12-13-1890 - Marc Connelly - McKeesport, PA - d. 12-21-1980
    writer: "Free Company"; "Security Workshop"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    12-13-1897 - Drew Pearson - Evanston, IL - d. 9-1-1969
    investigative reporter: "Listen America"; "Drew Pearson Comments"
    12-13-1905 - Jay Jostyn - Milwaukee, WI - d. 7-24-1977
    actor: Max Tilley "Life of Mary Sothern"; Mr, District Attorney "Mr. District
    Attorney"
    12-13-1910 - Lillian Roth - Boston, MA - d. 5-12-1980
    singer, speaker: "Pleasant Sunday Afternoon"
    12-13-1910 - Van Heflin - Walter, OK - d. 7-23-1971
    actor: Bob Drake "Betty and Bob"; "Philip Marlowe "Advs. of Philip Marlowe"
    12-13-1913 - Jimmy Carroll - NYC - d. 3-19-1972
    singer: "Pot O" Gold"
    12-13-1915 - Mark Stevens - Cleveland, OH (R: Montreal Canada) - d. 9-15-1994
    actor: "This Is Hollywood"; "Cavalcade of America"; "Suspense"
    12-13-1917 - David Street - Los Angeles, CA - d. 9-3-1971
    actor, singer: "Music Depreciation"

    December 13th deaths

    02-23-1913 - Jon Hall - Fresno, CA - d. 12-13-1979
    actor: "Texaco Star Theatre"; "Silver Theatre"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
    07-19-1906 - "Tiny" Hill - Sullivan, IL - d. 12-13-1971
    orchestra leader: "Tiny" Hill and His Orchestra"
    09-06-1891 - John Charles Thomas - Meyersdale, PA - d. 12-13-1960
    singer: "John Charles Thomas Program"; "Westinghouse Program"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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