Subject: [removed] Digest V2012 #21
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 2/3/2012 10:08 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2012 : Issue 21
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Sarge and Tonto ride again            [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
      Corwin Play in Bloomington IL         [ James Meadows <walthamus@[removed]; ]
      Re: This Old Hat Presents 'A History  [ "R. R. King" <kingrr@[removed]; ]
      2-1 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      The Lone Ranger                       [ A Joseph Ross <joe@[removed] ]
      Ranger's first name                   [ "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
      2-2 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      February issue RADIO RECALL           [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]

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    Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:05:54 -0500
    From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Sarge and Tonto ride again

    Yesterday, I wrote, that the actor who voiced Sgt. Burke--whomever that may
    have been-- voiced Tonto on the "Lone Ranger" episode "Single Tracks",
    broadcast Aug. 24, 1945.

    By any interesting coincidence, today I started listening to the episode "The
    Western Way", from Aug. 21, 1946. Again, the Sarge actor is voicing Tonto.

    Rick

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    Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:06:02 -0500
    From: James Meadows <walthamus@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Corwin Play in Bloomington IL

    I came across this news release from the Illinois Historic Preservation
    Agency,
    about the upcoming February 16th performance of a Norman Corwin play
    in
    Bloomington, Illiniois. I quote the release in its entirely below. Can
    anyone
    tell me about the play, and if it was ever broadcast on radio? --- Jim
    Meadows

    The Bloomington  Center for the Performing Arts (BCPA) will present
    The Rivalry,
    a dramatization of a stirring series of debates between Abraham
    Lincoln and
    Stephen Douglas, on Thursday, February 16 at 7 [removed]  Pre-show
    activities begin
    at 6:15 [removed]

    Written by Norman Corwin and produced by the
    world-renowned [removed] Theatre Works,
    The Rivalry brings the Lincoln-Douglas era
    to life and presents an epic clash of
    ideas between these two historic
    leaders.  Robert Parsons, who starred in the
    acclaimed production of The
    Rivalry at Fordbs Theatre in Washington last year,
    recreates the role of
    Abraham Lincoln.  He has been seen in the films Black
    August and Almost
    Famous and on television in Nash Bridges.  Television and film
    actor Josh
    Clark portrays Stephen Douglas.  Clarkbs prior acting credits include
    roles
    in the television shows Heroes, Star Trek: Voyager, Pretty Little Liars
    and
    All My Children, as well as the films Big, Ragtime and Little Nikita.  The
    Rivalry is a high-quality production that any history aficionado will not want
    to miss.

    The BCPA presentation of The Rivalry by [removed] Theatre Works is
    cosponsored by the
    Abraham Lincoln Association and the David Davis Mansion
    Foundation.  Tickets are
    priced at $27 to $33 each and are available online
    at [removed] or by
    calling the BCPA Box Office at (309) 434-2777
    or toll-free at (866) 686-9541.
     Tickets may also be purchased at the BCPA
    Box Office at 600 N. East Street in
    Bloomington.  Box office hours are 10
    [removed] to 6 [removed] Monday through Friday.

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    Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:06:42 -0500
    From: "R. R. King" <kingrr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: This Old Hat Presents 'A History in Radio
     Programming'
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    Saw this blog post and thought it might be of interest. The link is below but here's the text:

    ***

    In a salute to CFRC's 90 years, Howard Bonner presents a 'History Of Radio Programming'.

    The HISTORY is the early years 1921 - 1941 and is the history of Cincinnati's WLW - The NATION's STATION which was owned by the Crosley Family who at one point in time sold most of the radios in NORTH AMERICA.

    Schedules and LIVE Band performances began here. The first Drama written specifically for radio was at WLW, Doris Day, Dinah Shore, FATS WALLER, the MILLS Brothers, Red Barber, the baseball announcer, commercials and oh so much more with excerpts from shows of the day.

    It all begins Sat. Feb 4th at 11am and runs every Saturday at 1/2 hr. installments for 6 weeks in celebration of 90 years of the oldest continually broadcasting radio station in Canada.
    ***

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    Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:06:48 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  2-1 births/deaths

    February 1st births

    02-01-1859 - Victor Herbert - Dublin, Ireland - d. 5-24-1924
    composer: Compositions used on many programs
    02-01-1891 - Alexander Kipnis - Schitomir, Ukraine - d. 5-14-1978
    wagnerian basso profundo: "Outpost Concert Series"; "Metropolitan Opera"
    02-01-1894 - James P. Johnson - New Brunswick, NJ - d. 11-17-1955
    pianist: "Eddie Condon's Jazz Concerts"; "This is Jazz"
    02-01-1895 - John Ford - Cape Elizabeth, ME - d. 8-31-1973
    director: "Screen Director's Playhouse"
    02-01-1901 - Clark Gable - Cadiz, OH - d. 11-16-1960
    actor: "So Proudly We Hail"; "Silver Theatre"
    02-01-1902 - Langston Hughes - Joplin, Mo - d. 5-22-1967
    writer: "America's Town Meeting of the Air"
    02-01-1903 - Donald Thompson - Albia, IA - d. 2-18-1989
    actor/announcer: "The Right to Happiness"; "Those Happy Gilmans"
    02-01-1904 - S. J. Perelman - NYC - d. 10-17-1979
    humorist: "Information, Please"; "Author! Author!"; "Railroad Hour"
    02-01-1905 - Joan Morgan - Kent, England - d. 7-22-2004
    actor: "21st Precinct"
    02-01-1906 - Hildegarde - Adell, WI - d. 7-29-2005
    singer, pianist: (The Dear that Made Milwaukee Famous) "Hildegard
    Program"
    02-01-1908 - George Pal - Cegled, Austria-Hungary - d. 5-2-1980
    film producer, director: "Bud's Bandwagon"
    02-01-1912 - Clete Roberts - Portland, OR - d. 9-30-1984
    news correspondent: Covered both World War II and Korea
    02-01-1915 - Alan Burgess - Birmingham, England - d. 4-10-1998
    author: wrote a series for the BBC on war heroes
    02-01-1916 - Helen Walpole - Birmingham, AL - d. 5-26-1992
    actor: Sylvia Bardine "Just Plain Bill"; Frances "Lorenzo Jones"
    02-01-1920 - Walter Stone - Dunellen, NJ - d. 10-20-1999
    comedy writer: "Robert Q. Lewis"
    02-01-1922 - Miriam Wolfe - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-29-2000
    actor: Nancy "Witch's Tale"
    02-01-1922 - Renata Tebaldi - Pesaro, Italy - d. 12-19-2004
    lyric soprano: "Bell Telephone Hour"; "Metropolitan Opera
    02-01-1924 - Bill Comstock - Rockbridge, OH
    singer: (Four Freshmen) "The Four Freshmen"; "Music for Moderns"
    02-01-1926 - John Blashill - d. 2-21-2006
    disk jockey: KVOE Santa Ana, California
    02-01-1926 - Nancy Gates - Dallas, TX
    actor: "Masquerade"; "Orson Welles Theatre"
    02-01-1926 - Stuart Whitman - San Francisco, CA
    actor: "We Hold These Truths"
    02-01-1937 - Don Everly - Brownie, KY
    singer: (The Everly Brothers) "March of Dimes"; "Country Hoedown"
    02-01-1941 - Marian Hailey - Portland, OR
    actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"

    February 1st deaths

    02-18-1907 - L. A. "Speed" Riggs - Silverdale, NC - d. 2-1-1987
    tobacco auctioneer: "Jack Benny Program"; "Kay Kyser Show"
    02-21-1881 - Dr. Jonah B. Wise - Cincinnati, OH - d. 2-1-1959
    preacher: "Message of Israel"
    02-25-1912 - Richard Wattis - Wednesbury, England - d. 2-1-1975
    actor: "Brothers In Law"
    04-16-1895 - Mischa Mischakoff - Proskourov, Russia - d. 2-1-1981
    violinist: "NBC Symphony Orchestra"; "NBC String Trio"
    05-02-1885 - Hedda Hopper - Hollidaysburg, PA - d. 2-1-1966
    actor, columnist: Portia Brent "Brenthouse"; "Hedda Hopper Show"
    05-25-1915 - Betty Ruth Smith - d. 2-1-2008
    actor: Helen Trent "Romance of Helen Trent"; Catherine Monroe
    "Backstage Wife"
    05-30-1892 - Raymond Clapper - LaCygne, KS - d. 2-1-1944
    commentator: (Killed During WWII) "News and Commentary for White Owl
    Cigars"
    06-10-1920 - Anne Burr - Boston, MA - d. 2-1-2003
    actor: Regina Rawlings "Backstage Wife"; "Nona Marsh "Wendy Warren and
    the News"
    06-29-1915 - Mary Jane Higby - St. Louis, MO - d. 2-1-1986
    actor: Joan Davis "When a Girl Marries"; Nora Drake "This is Nora Drake"
    07-07-1911 - Gian Carlo Menotti - Cadegliano, Italy - d. 2-1-2007
    opera composer: "Best of All"
    07-23-1908 - Ernest Dudley - Dudley, England - d. 2-1-2006
    writer: "Enter Sexton Blake"; "Dr. Morelle"
    08-12-1921 - Marjorie Reynolds - Buhl, ID - d. 2-1-1997
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Cavalcade of America"; "Silver Theatre"
    08-16-1888 - Marion Sayle Taylor - Louisville, KY - d. 2-1-1942
    advisor: "Voice of Experience"
    08-25-1903 - Michael Bartlett - North Oxford, MA - d. 2-1-1978
    singer: "The Jack Benny Program"
    08-30-1797 - Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - London, England - d. 2-1-1851
    creator of Frankenstein
    09-15-1907 - Jack Bailey - Hampton, IA - d. 2-1-1980
    emcee: "Queen for a Day"; "Truth or Consequences"
    10-04-1895 - Buster Keaton - Piqua, KS - d. 2-1-1966
    comedian: "Shell Chateau"; "Voices from the Hollywood Past"
    11-03-1928 - Wanda Hendrix - Jacksonville, FL - d. 2-1-1981
    actor: "Cavalcade of America"; "Stars Over Hollywood"; "Lux Radio
    Theatre"
    12-01-1918 - Thomas Hayward - Kansas City, MO - d. 2-1-1995
    singer: "Serenade to America"; "Name Speaks"
    12-28-1909 - Olan Soule - La Harpe, IL - d. 2-1-1994
    actor: Sam Ryder "Bachelor's Children"; Kermit Hubbard "Joan and Kermit"

    Ron

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    Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:06:56 -0500
    From: A Joseph Ross <joe@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Lone Ranger

>     Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:44:34 -0500
>     From: Ken Stockinger<bambino032004-otr@[removed];

>       the Lone Ranger (as originally created) did not
>     have a first name. Martin Grams researched this a few years back
>     and found that giving the Ranger the first name of John came about during the
>     filming of "The Legend of the Lone Ranger" in 1981.

    Thank you for posting this information.  I thought the first name of
    John originated in some book about The Lone Ranger sometime in the
    mid-1960s.  I think someone mentioned that in this forum some years ago.

    what's clear is that the first name John was never mentioned in either
    the radio or television show or any of the premiums or spinoffs that
    accompanied them.  I once had a miniature comic book from Cheerios
    telling The Lone Ranger's origin story, and while the name Reid was
    given, there was no mention anywhere of a first name.

    Of course, that's because The Lone Ranger's first name is "The."

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                     [removed]
    92 State Street, Suite 700          Fax: [removed]
    Boston, MA 02109-2004     [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:07:10 -0500
    From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Ranger's first name

    Ken Stockinger wrote to comment on some earlier posts and once again
    mentioned the fiction that the Lone Ranger's first name was John.  As has
    been pointed out many times in this forum, Fran Striker was very particular
    never to give the masked rider a first name.  But Ken is not quite accurate
    about where the fiction began.  The 1981 movie was not the culprit.  It
    began, according to Dave Holland, with a book titled "The Big Broadcast", a
    tribute to radio from 1920 to 1950 published in 1972 by Frank Buxton and
    Bill Owen.  We have these gentlemen to thank.

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    Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:07:40 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  2-2 births/deaths

    February 2nd births

    02-02-1875 - Fritz Kreisler - Vienna, Austria - d. 1-29-1962
    violinist, composer: "Telephone Hour"; "Concert Hall"; "Gospel In Song"
    02-02-1877 - Charles Hanson Towne - Louisville, KY - d. 2-28-1949
    poet/actor: Quarter hour weekly conversational program on CBS
    02-02-1882 - Geoffrey O'Hara - Chatham, Canada - d. 1-31-1967
    tenor: "Roxy and His Gang"
    02-02-1882 - James Joyce - Dublin, Ireland - d. 1-13-1941
    author: "NBC University Theatre"
    02-02-1888 - Frank Lloyd - Glasgow, Scotland - d. 8-10-1960
    film director: "Screen Guild Theatre"; "Robert Arden Round Table
    Discussion"
    02-02-1888 - Lee Millar - Vancouver, Canada - d. 12-24-1941
    actor: (Husband of Verna Felton) Appeared on various radio shows
    02-02-1893 - Len Doyle - Toledo, OH - d. 12-6-1959
    actor: Harrington "Mr, Distric Attorney"
    02-02-1895 - George Halas - Chicago, IL - d. 10-31-1983
    football coach: "Tops in Sports"
    02-02-1898 - William Costello - Rhode Island - d. 10-9-1971
    actor: Freddie Frog "Betty Boop Fables"
    02-02-1899 - Benny Rubin - Boston, MA - d. 7-15-1986
    comedian: Tout "Jack Benny Program"; "Benny Rubin's Whirligig Revue"
    02-02-1901 - Jascha Heifetz - Vilnius, Lithuania - d. 12-10-1987
    classical violinist: "Telephone Hour"; "Soldiers in Greaspaint";
    "Concert Hall"
    02-02-1903 - Larry Walker - Manning, SC - d. 3-xx-1986
    accompanist: "The Johnson Family Singers"
    02-02-1905 - Ayn Rand - St. Petersberg, Russia - d. 3-6-1982
    author: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    02-02-1905 - Jesse Johnson - Cumnock, NC - d. 5-16-1989
    singer: "The Johnson Family Singers"
    02-02-1908 - Cal Tinney - Pontotoc County, OK - d. 12-2-1993
    actor: Binnacle Barnes "Robinson Crusoe, Jr."
    02-02-1909 - Frank Albertson - Fergus Falls, MN - d. 2-29-1964
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    02-02-1909 - Purv Pullen - Philadelphia, PA - d. 10-18-1992
    bird and animal imitator: Horatio G. Birdbath "The Spike Jones Show"
    02-02-1911 - Everett Freeman - NYC - d. 1-24-1991
    writer: "The Baby Snooks Show"; "The Eddie Cantor Show"
    02-02-1911 - Jussi Bjorling - Stora Tuna, Sweden - d. 9-9-1960
    singer: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
    02-02-1912 - Burton Lane - NYC - d. 1-5-1997
    composer: "Columbia Presents Corwin"; "Voices of Vista"
    02-02-1912 - Stefan Schnabel - Berlin, Germany - d. 3-11-1999
    actor: Herbert Yost "Joyce Jordan, [removed]"
    02-02-1914 - Beverly Freeland - Bristow, OK
    singer: "Brezzing Along"; "Heinz Magazine of the Air"
    02-02-1915 - Frank Telford - d. 5-19-1987
    producer: "This Is Our Enemy"
    02-02-1918 - Imogen Carpenter - Hot Springs, AR - d. 3-24-1993
    actor: "Command Performance"
    02-02-1920 - Hughie Green - London, England - d. 5-3-1997
    host: "Opportunity Knocks"
    02-02-1922 - Norman Marrgraff - Wisconsin - d. 4-30-2006
    disk jockey: "Fritz the Plumber"
    02-02-1923 - Bonita Granville - Chicago, IL - d. 10-11-1988
    actor: "Continental Celebrity Club"; "Stars Over Hollywood"
    02-02-1923 - Haleloke Kahuaolapus - Hilo, Hawaii Territory - d.
    12-16-2004
    singer: "Hawaii Calls"; "Arthur Godfrey Time"
    02-02-1936 - Arthur Lyman - Kauai, HI - d. 2-24-2002
    vibes: Won talent contest on Honolulu  radio, station KGMB
    02-02-1940 - Sir David Jason - London, England
    actor: "Week Ending  . . . "; "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"

    February 2nd deaths

    02-05-1908 - Aleen Leslie - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 2-2-2010
    created "A Date with Judy"
    03-26-1920 - Junior Blizzard - d. 2-2-2005
    disk jockey: WMJM Cordele, Georgia
    03-29-1923 - Remo Palmieri - The Bronx, NY - d. 2-2-2002
    guitartist: "Music 'Til Midnight"; "Arthur Godfrey Show"
    04-18-1912 - Wendy Barrie - Hong Kong, China - d. 2-2-1978
    hostess, actor: "Detect and Collect"; "Jack Haley Show"; "Star for a
    Night"
    04-22-1915 - Dick Dudley - Louisville, KY - d. 2-2-2000
    announcer: "Archie Andrews"; "Believe It or Not"
    05-16-1916 - Bernard Braden - Vancouver, Canada - d. 2-2-1993
    actor: "The Gracie Fields Show"
    06-10-1918 - Barry Morse - London, England - d. 2-2-2008
    actor: "Odyssey of Honor"; "George Orwell: A Radio Biography"
    07-13-1903 - Milo Boulton - Ohio - d. 2-2-1989
    host: "We, the People"
    08-23-1912 - Gene Kelly - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 2-2-1996
    actor: "Cresta Blanca Hollywood Players"; "Star for a Night"; "Suspense"
    08-29-1914 - Willard Waterman - Madison, WI - d. 2-2-1995
    actor: Throckmorton P. Gildersleeve "Great Gildersleeve"; Roger Barton
    "The Guiding Light"
    09-01-1877 - Frank Tours - London, England - d. 2-2-1963
    orchestra leader: "Will Rogers"; "The Vince Program"
    09-07-1920 - Mende Brown - d. 2-2-2002
    director: "The Affairs of Peter Salem"
    09-09-1905 - Elsie Park Gowan - Helensburgh, Scotland - d. 2-2-1999
    writer: "New Lamps for Old"
    09-11-1878 - Charles Harrison - d. 2-2-1965
    tenor: CBS Staff 1927-1928, had musical program on NBC 1935
    09-15-1894 - Edwin Cooper - Illinois - d. 2-2-1984
    actor: "The Eddie Bracken Show"
    09-28-1905 - Max Schmelling - Klein Luckow, Brandenburg, Germany - d.
    2-2-2005
    nazi propagnadist: Radio Berlin
    10-02-1896 - Bob Burns - Van Buren, AR - d. 2-2-1956
    comedian: (The Arkansas Traveler) "Kraft Music Hall"; "Bob Burns Show"
    10-02-1904 - Godfrey Baseley - Alvechurch, England - d. 2-2-1997
    creator: "The Archers"
    10-05-1919 - Donald Pleasance - Worksop, England - d. 2-2-1995
    actor: "21st Century Blues"
    10-11-1913 - Sunny Skylar - Brooklyn, NY - d. 2-2-2008
    singer/songwriter: "Sunny Skylar Serenade"; "Mary Small Revue"
    10-22-1885 - Giovanni Martinelli - Montagnana, Italy - d. 2-2-1969
    operatic tenor: "Metropolitan Opera"; "Magic Key"; "Shell Show"
    10-28-1913 - Ruth Peterson - Wauwatosa, WI - d. 2-2-1985
    actor: Linda Carroll "Hawthorne House"
    11-23-1887 - Boris Karloff - London, England - d. 2-2-1969
    actor, host: "Starring Boris Karloff"; "Creeps by Night"
    11-25-1904 - Jessie Royce Landis - Chicago, IL - d. 2-2-1972
    actor: "We Are Always Young"
    12-02-1893 - William Gaxton - San Franciso, CA - d. 2-2-1963
    actor, singer: "Broadway Showtime"
    12-30-1914 - Bert Parks - Atlanta, GA - d. 2-2-1992
    emcee, announcer: "Break the Bank"; "Stop the Music"; "Double or
    Nothing"

    Ron

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    Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:07:55 -0500
    From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  February issue RADIO RECALL

    The full-color version in PDF went out this morning to Radio Recall
    subscribers who chose that format. The hard-copy, black & white
    version will be mailed to the other subscribers after February 10th.

    This issue leads off with the life story of Connee Boswell by
    historican Cort Vitty.  All of us recall the Boswell Sisters, but how
    many know Connee was stricken with polio and was unable to walk since
    age 3. Her career triumphs are a tribute, not just to her courage,
    but the strong support of her family.

    Stewart Wright, well-known OTR researcher, details the radio career
    of John Dehner, under the title of "The Reluctant Westerner." Stewart
    lists not only Dehner's broadcast success, but also his movie roles
    in westerns.

    Kathy Hammel brings us up to date with seven years work of
    researching the aviation hero, "Howie Wing", as she summarizes all
    the factual data compiled by her, along with those of her associates
    in Canada and Australia. This is cooperative OTR research at its best.

    The book, "Out of the Dark: A History of Radio and Rural America" by
    Steve Craig is reviewed in this issue. Craig chose this title because
    radio provided for the first time to rural, isolated Americans access
    to entertainment, news, and the rapidly evolving lifestyles of the
    entire nation.

    All this plus details of upcoming OTR conventions, letters to the
    editor, and YouTube sites where you can view the programs from
    meetings of Metro Washington Old Time Radio Club.

    For more information on the club and to view past articles from Radio
    Recall, point your mouse at <[removed]>

    To receive a free copy of a sample issue in PDF, email me at
    <OTRpiano@[removed]; with subject line, "Free issue"

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL

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