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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2003 : Issue 336
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: Television - First Use Of Word    [ Shenbarger@[removed] ]
  CD's and Permanent Data Storage       [ ilamfan@[removed] ]
  Re: question about transcribed and r  [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  Re: "science fiction"                 [ "Joe Cline" <[removed]@[removed] ]
  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK Schedule for  [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
  TV or Nit TV: That Is the Question    [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  Archive or Collection                 [ "david rogers" <david_rogers@hotmai ]
  9-8 Births/Deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  transcription                         [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
  Re: Gisele MacKenzie IMDB listing     [ Garry Lewis <glewis@[removed] ]
  Behind the Green Door                 [ PGreco2254@[removed] ]
  Re: Irwin Ashanazy                    [ Thomas Butts <trbutts@[removed] ]
  Re: Hugo Gernsback and television     [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
  Universal clarrification              [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  OTR crime programs                    [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Early television                      [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:25:57 -0400
From: Shenbarger@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Television - First Use Of Word
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In a message dated 9/6/2003, Conrad Binyon wrote:

Matthew, in most good dictionaries there are usually
dates included in the definitions of words therein.
In my Random House Webster's Colliege voumne that date
is (1905-1910) It may vary a little given the opinions
of the lexicographers involved in compiling the
dictionary.

I found this on the web. Normally a poor place to look for authoritative
answers, but this looks to be genuine.

Q: First use of the word television?

A: Persky at the 1900 Paris exhibition. Check out the book Tube the story of
the inventors of television and how they did it. Its by David E. Fisher and
Marshall John Fisher.

Don Shenbarger

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:27:14 -0400
From: ilamfan@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed] (OTR Bulletin Board)
Subject:  CD's and Permanent Data Storage

Argh!
     Just to add my coupla cents worth to the recent discussion on cds:

     I must say that I have had LOTS more cassettes screw up/play
poorly/refuse to work than cd's.  So even though they're not perfect, they
are pretty darn good!  Those cassettes that quit on me were most likely ones
that had been used in the car plenty (read HOT dusty dirty not kept in their
cases etc).
     So what I do (since most of my listening is in the car) is only use
COPIES in the car, never my originals.  The sun can do what it wants to my
copies.  I can get greasy french fry fingers all over my copies if I want
to.  My originals are still (relatively) safe at home, in their binder, next
to their siblings.
     And by originals, I mean to exclude the original cd that I bought that
had a paper label on it - all of these get copied into my archive, and THAT
is my "original".  The one with the label gets given away/sold/used in the
car.  My archive has no labels on the disc surfaces.  I do use "hub labels",
little 1-inch doughnuts that stick to the center hub of the cd (you may have
seen them on the cd's you borrow from your local library).
     I work at a plastics company, and might have a hint for those of you
with label problems.  There are numerous cleaners and solvents that can be
used on plastics, some are fine for x plastic, but traumatic for y plastic.
The safest substance for MOST plastics is WD-40.  For paper labels that have
bubbled and you might be tempted to peel them off, I would suggest trying WD-
40: SOAK the label and let it sit for an hour or so.  The glue should become
loose and gooey, the label should simply SLIDE off, with some gentle
pressure.  I know that it is safe to use on polycarbonates, I am not sure of
this "lacquer" that is used as a top layer, however.
     I have not tried this yet, but I expect that it should work very well.
I could foresee that a glossy label would take more time than a matte finish
one (longer for the WD-40 to soak through to the glue).  There will still be
gooey glue left on the disc, but that should be able to be wiped off with
more WD-40.  Most of the WD-40 will evaporate, what's left should be able to
be cleaned off with a quality liquid cd cleaner.  Remember to wipe from the
center out to the edge in a straight line, NOT around and around!
     Like I said, I haven't tried this yet, so don't hold me responsible if
it doesn't work.  That top lacquer layer might get completely eaten away, I
don't know for sure.  But WD-40 is our "safe cleaner" for all of the plastics
that we use.  I'll give it a try soon.
     And another hint: for retrieving data from an iffy cd, I use a freebie
Windows-based program called ISOBuster.  It's at:

[removed]

(although now it's freeware/shareware, I see) it has read every troublesome
cd I've had, and allowed me to extract the data and copy it onto a good
disc.  Very nice utility.
     If anyone tries out the label thing before I do, write in and let us
know how it turned out.  It should work well.
     Hope this helps!

Stephen Jansen

--
Old Time Radio never dies - it
just changes formats!

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:27:25 -0400
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: question about transcribed and recorded

From: "William Schell" <bschell@[removed];
can anyone explain the difference between transcription
and recording? I hear OTR shows as being transcribed.
Why not pre-recorded? Was the transcription like a record?

In the late 1920s the Federal Radio Commission introduced a regulation that
required that each recording be announced as such at the time of broadcast.
Under the overall category of "Mechanical Reproduction" were three
categories: "Player Piano Rolls," "Phonograph Records," and "Electrical
Transcriptions."  Such asL "The following is a phonograph record." or "The
following is an electrical transcription."   The distinction between the
latter two was that although phonograph records could be bought and played
by the public on home machines,  ETs were to be recordings designed ONLY
for broadcast and were either not to be sold to the public or were to be of
a format that would not be readily playable by the public.  Additionally,
the broadcasters liked the term "electrical transcription" and
"transcribed" rather than recorded because not to many people really
realized that they meant the same thing.  This allowed them to say that it
was recorded without having to say that it was recorded.   Some people felt
it was a waste of spectrum space to have radio stations play records that
they could play themselves, and the networks propagandized against the use
of any type of recording.   So most stations would have liked to hide the
fact they were using recordings.

Some of the first recorded programs, such as "Amos 'n' Andy" and the many
programs produced by the National Radio Advertising Company were
manufactured on standard 12-inch 78 RPM lateral discs that could have been
played on any home phonograph.  But these were announced as ETs because
they were made specifically for broadcasting only and were carefully kept
out of the hands of the public--which accounts for their unfortunate
rarity.  In 1929 several companies started distributing their programs in
the format that had been developed for motion picture sound, the 16-inch 33
1/3 RPM lateral disc.  Practically no players were in the hands of the
public which could handle this size or speed, and the introduction in 1930
of vertical recording by several companies made it even more difficult for
individuals to be able to play them.  So there were no second thoughts
about calling these ETs.  But when stations played regular home-type
phonograph records that you could have bought in your local record store,
they had to call them "phonograph records."

Over the years the announcement regulations changed and generally became
less strict, but ironically by the 1960s the television broadcasters
started using the old general term "Mechanical Reproduction" to identify
recorded programs although the technology was much less mechanical than had
been the case with records or ETs.  The term "Pre-Recorded" also started to
be used at that time although it is really redundant.  A program is either
recorded or it is live.  A recorded program MUST have been recorded IN
ADVANCE, so why say that it was PRE-recorded?  It was recorded.  Period.

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:27:42 -0400
From: "Joe Cline" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: "science fiction"

Hugo Gernsback . . . . also seems to have coined the term "science
fiction."

I'm not sure, but I seem to remember that Gernsback's preferred term was
"scientifiction" and he took a very proprietary interest in the word, so
much so that his successor as SF editor (of "Amazing Stories" I think) John
C. Campbell coined the "science fiction"moniker. (Of course, considering my
advancing age, I may have it backwards.)

Joe Cline
Charlotte

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:27:57 -0400
From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK Schedule for week
 starting:  09/07/03

Here's this week's shows in streaming audio you can tune in anytime
for the week starting Sunday, September the 7th  at:
[removed]

SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges
1. FIBBER McGEE & MOLLY   8/26/35    "The McGees Win 79
Wistful Vista"
2. THE JACK BENNY SHOW   10/24/37   "Jack Buys the Maxwell"
3. THE CAMPBELL PLAYHOUSE   2/11/40   "Mr. Deeds Goes to Town"  stars Orson
Welles and Gertrude Lawrence.

HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood
1. THE WEIRD CIRCLE -  NBC Synd.  7/8/47   "Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde"
by Robert Louis Stevenson.
2. INNER SANCTUM MYSTERIES   CBS   7/13/52   Boris Karloff
stars in "Death For Sale."   Raymond Edward Johnson is the host.
3. SUSPENSE    CBS/AFRS   "The Dunwich Horror"  by [removed] Lovecarft,
starring: Ronald Colman.

Enjoy!!     Tom & Jerry

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:28:45 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  TV or Nit TV: That Is the Question

A Joseph Ross, JD, speaking of early references to television noted,

Hugo Gernsback, publisher of electronic and science fiction magazines,
is generally credited
with coining the word "television."  He also seems to have coined the
term "science fiction."

Dr. Ross' references to the word "television" are correct, however, for
that brand of literature, what Mr. Gernsback called it was
"scientifiction," abbreviated "STF."

On OTR references, if memory serves, there was a reference to its use in
the beginnings of the Jack Armstrong Sulu Sea adventure (where they go
after the lost Uranium-235: lucky for them, apparently there was less
than 10 kilograms of it).

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:31:07 -0400
From: "david rogers" <david_rogers@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Archive or Collection

Michael Biel knows a lot more about OTR than I do.  Also he has e-mailed me
a couple of times and I must say that he seems to be quite a nice chap.
However, I would like to add something to his recent comments on CDs and
archives etc.  I am hope that he would maybe agree with my point anyway.
Surely there is a difference between a personal collection and a historical
archive.  I am sure that there are some people on this list who do have
archive material, maybe rare stuff that needs to be preserved.  I am not one
of these people.  I am just an ordinary guy with a personal collection of
OTR.  Therefore, my expectations are different.  Maybe I can explain my
point by referring to music.  Maybe you have a favorite album that you
bought on album, maybe as an 8 track for the car or maybe even as a cassette
for you Walkman or whatever.  You may have also bought that album again as a
CD.  I have done this, as my expectation of my personal collection is
different from a historical archive.  I expect that my stuff will wear out.
I expect that I will need to update things when CDs are replaced by another
medium.  I like to think that I look after my stuff but accidents happen.
  I do not expect my CDs to last forever.  I expect to have to replace them.
  Do you believe what the advertisements say?  I believe them as much as I
believe politicians.  I want my OTR collection to last as long as possible
but I am realistic in my expectation.

Love as always, David Rogers

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:31:18 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  9-8 Births/Deaths

September 8th births

09-08-1905 - Henry Wilcoxon - Dominica, West Indies - d. 3-6-1984
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
09-08-1914 - Hillary Brooke - Astoria, NY - d. 5-25-1999
actress: "Suspense"
09-08-1925 - Peter Sellers - Southsea, England - d. 7-24-1980
comedian: Hercules Grytpype-Thynne, Major Bloodnok, others, "Goon Show"

September 8th deaths

01-03-1898 - Freddie Rich - Warsaw, Poland - d. 9-8-1956
bandleader: "Friendly Five Footnotes"; "George Jessel Show"
02-28-1915 - Zero Mostel - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-8-1977
comedian: "CBS Mystery Theatre"; "Chamber Music Society of Lower Basin Street"
06-18-1908 - Clayton "Bud" Collyer - NYC - d. 9-8-1969
actor, announcer: Clark Kent/Superman "Advs. of Superman"; "Cavalcade of
America"
11-09-1922 - Dorothy Dandridge - Cleveland, OH - d. 9-8-1965
actress, writer: "Beulah Show"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Hometown of [removed] Kaltenborn and Jay Jostyn

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:31:47 -0400
From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  transcription

Hi Bill,

A transcription is just a fancy name for record, in the radio industry they
generally refer to a 16" diameter record. Go to the First Generation Radio
Archives site and you can see the labels of many, many transcriptions.
[removed]

Then, there's the Lone Ranger, which in it's syndicated format was brought
to you as the announcer intoned at the beginning of every program, "BY
SPECIAL RECORDING - THE LONE RANGER!" Of course the Ranger was not just
transcribed or recorded, it was a special recording!

Joe Salerno

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:14:21 -0400
From: Garry Lewis <glewis@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Gisele MacKenzie IMDB listing

 Here is the International Movie Data Base listing for
Gisele MacKenzie--

[removed]

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:16:48 -0400
From: PGreco2254@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Behind the Green Door

Hi,
   I have about 30 shows of "Behind the Green Door", they are five minute
stories narrated by Basil Rathbone. Most of the stories have a twist ending,
somewhat like "The Whistler", could someone out there tell me
anything about the shows, like when they were broadcasted, how many
are there etc. Any info about this program would be appreciated. A long
time member of this [removed]

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 12:18:45 -0400
From: Thomas Butts <trbutts@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Irwin Ashanazy

Can anyone provide any information on radio writer Irving Ashkanazy?

He wrote at least one episode of The Lives of Harry Lime.

I believe he also wrote some Hopalong Cassidy episodes.

Tom Butts
Dallas, TX

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:04:22 -0400
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Hugo Gernsback and television

In a message dated 9/6/03 10:36:49 PM, A. Joseph Ross writes:

Hugo Gernsback, publisher of electronic and science fiction magazines, is 
generally credited with coining the word "television."  He also seems to have 
coined the term "science fiction."

***Gernsback originally coined the term "Scientifiction" (abbreviated stf) 
and had to come up with a slightly different name after losing AMAZING STORIES.

Hugo Gernsback was a major pioneer in the fields of both radio and 
television.  He invented and marketed the Telimco Wireless, the first home radio kit, in 
1905, and his set was later sold at Macy's, Gimbel's and Marshall Fields.  In 
1908, he launched MODERN ELECTRICS, the world's first radio magazine, and he 
predicted television, radio networks and radar in his 1911 novel RALPH 124C 
41+: A Romance of the Year 2660.  (Actually, he didn't just predict radar; the 
1911 novel featured detailed descriptions and diagramming of his proposed radar 
equipment.)  Radio was also strongly promoted in his ELECTRICAL EXPERIMENTER, 
RADIO NEWS and SCIENCE AND INVENTION magazines.

I hadn't heard that Gernsback coined the word "television," but that 
certainly doesn't surprise me.  Hugo Gernsback's New York radio station WRNY began 
daily experimental television broadcasts in August, 1928, with THE NEW YORK TIMES 
carried the program listing of the world's first television station in its 
radio listings.  The broadcasts weren't very extensive; following each radio 
program, Gernsback just televised the live image of the performer to the 
(perhaps) few hundred experimental sets that could pick up the transmissions.  (For 
more information on this fascinating and far-sighted visionary, refer to my 
booklets for RSI's THE SMITHSONIAN COLLECTION: OLD TIME RADIO SCIENCE FICTION and 
THE 60 GREATEST OLD TIME RADIO SHOWS FROM SCIENCE FICTION SELECTED BY RAY 
BRADBURY.  Both booklet's feature sections on Gernsback compiled with the help of 
my late friend Sam Moskowitz (who had worked as an editor for Gernsback).

I recently ran across Gernsback's VARIETY obituary, which recognized the 
"Father of Science Fiction's" major contributions to broadcasting ... which are 
all too often forgotten alongside his immense reputation in the field of 
speculative and science fiction. --ANTHONY TOLLIN

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 14:14:28 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Universal clarrification

Twizoner@[removed] commented:

I also use to buy Radio Spirits collections but have not in the past few of
years because of both the higher prices and the steep fixed shipping &
handling charge.  I really like the 18 episode collections but find the
$[removed] S&H fee
too high.  I am tempted to buy these sets when they are half-price but the
S&H
costs remains a turn-off.

Perhaps Radio Spirits will follow Universal's move this week and reduce
their
pricing to help increase sales.

For a slight bit of clarification, Twizoner was referring to the Universal
Recording Company, not Universal Studios.  During the past week, CNN has
reported that Universal Records slashed the cost of their wholesale prices
20 to 25 percent.  Thus when they used to sell Compact Discs for $[removed]
wholesale, they now sell at $[removed] which means the prices are dropping.
Apparently, according to the CNN report, the cost of commercial CDs is going
down because (as they reported) the sale of blank CDs allowing people to
download music for a lower price has grown considerably.

The music industry, incidentally, has begun a crackdown on illegal
downloading of copyrighted material.  Anyone who can grab a hold of a recent
issue of ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY (probably at your local public library) can
find a one-page advertisement paid for by a HUGE list of music industry
giants with a stern warning in details the fear that "we're coming after
you" for those who download music from the web.  It's the issue with
Katherine Hepburn on the cover.  The advertisement has no pictures
whatsoever, just words and stern words.  Worth checking out for the curious.
  What this has to do with OTR is probably nil since it's the music industry
and that's a different field, but those who download music from the web
might find the ad of interest.

Also according to CNN, LP record sales have grown in the UK, while sales of
commercial CDs are slowly shrinking in the [removed]  (I can't see how a rap
artist releasing his latest album two or three days before the announced
date to halt on-line pirating can solve the problem - people can still go
home and post the song on the web the same day it comes out.)  CNN also
mentioned that many CDs are going to start featuring CD-Rom computer
programs, internet access material, and even some music videos people can
play on their home computer - all on the same CD - their attempt to compete
with the on-line downloading thing.  I'm sure there's an article about this
on [removed]
Martin

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 14:14:46 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR crime programs

Does anyone happen to know anything about the following three radio
programs?

BROADWAY COP
SENTENCED
TOP-SECRET FILES

All three were broadcast over Mutual, all three were crime programs
dramatizing police detection and apprehention (even reusing fifteen-year-old
scripts from the GANGBUSTERS radio show!) and all three began around the
fall of 1954.  But other than this, I know nothing about these programs.  No
episodes exist from these programs but some scripts do.  Can anybody help?
Martin Grams, Jr.
mmargrajr@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 15:54:03 -0400
From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Early television

I have an anthology titled "The Mammoth Book of Movie
Detectives and Screen Crimes," edited by Peter Haining
(1998, Carroll & Graf Publishers Inc), which includes
the script for the first Sherlock Holmes tv
adaptation, "The Three Garridebs," broadcast live from
New York on Sunday, 28 November 1937. The introduction
to the script notes that "it was well-received by
critics and the comparatively small number of people
with sets." Louis Hector starred as Holmes, with
William Podmore as Watson. The introduction also
states that "the BBC inaugurated the world's first
television service from Alexandra Palace in London" on
October 1 1936. After the war, TV broadcasting resumed
in 1946.

Incidentally, the man who adapted this Holmes story
for television was Thomas H Hutchinson (1896-1970),
who wrote for many NBC radio series including Sherlock
Holmes, Hercule Poirot, FAther Brown, and Mr Keen,
Tracer of Lost Persons.

Kermyt

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