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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2003 : Issue 414
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Martin Hunt [ "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@cfai ]
11-17 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
radio show with Art [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
Eddie Carroll [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
Norman Corwin log [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
re Peter Appleyard [ Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed]; ]
Re: Arkansas? [ Kcpymurphy@[removed] ]
Columbia Workshop on MP3 [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
Gale Gordon on Fibber McGee [ Paula Keiser <pkeiser@[removed]; ]
Penny Singleton Obituary [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
Jack Benny Shows [ Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed]; ]
Churchill's speeches [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
Art Carney [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
Art Carney & kinescope [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
Re: Winston Chruchill impersonator [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
11-18 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Carney's Fireside Chats? [ Lee Munsick <leemunsick@[removed] ]
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:27:16 -0500
From: "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Martin Hunt
There used to be an OTR mp3 cd dealer named Martin Hunt (Out of Canada I
believe) . I had not heard from him since around 2000. Does he still exist
and sell OTR in mp3?
Mike Kerezman
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:27:28 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 11-17 births/deaths
November 17th births
11-17-1898 - "Quin" Ryan
announcer, actor: "Quin Ryan Reports"; "Uncle Quin"
11-17-1901 - Ted Husing - The Bronx, NY - d. 8-10-1962
announcer, sportscaster: "Sportslants"; "March of Time"; "Radio Reader"s
Digest"
11-17-1905 - Josef Marais - Sir Lowey"s Pass, South Africa - d. 4-26-1978
singer: "African Trek/Sundown on the Veld"; "Meredith Willson Show"
11-17-1905 - Mischa Auer - St. Petersburg, Russia - d. 3-5-1967
actor: "Mischa the Magnificent"
11-17-1911 - Jack Lescoulie - Sacramento, CA - d. 7-22-1987
announcer, emcee: "Grouch Club"; "Meet the Champions"
11-17-1925 - Rock Hudson - Winnetka, IL - d. 10-2-1985
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
November 17th deaths
06-01-1887 - Clive Brook - London, England - d. 11-17-1974
actor: Sherlock Holmes "Sherlock Holmes"
06-15-1861 - Ernestine Schumann-Heink - Prague, Czechoslovkia - d. 11-17-1936
singer: "Enna Jettick Melodies"; "Hoover Sentinels Serenade"
07-24-1916 - Bob Eberly - Mechanicsville, NY - d. 11-17-1981
singer: (Jimmy Dorsey Band)
08-19-1903 - Claude Dauphin - Corbeil, France - d. 11-17-1978
actor: "As Easy as [removed]"
10-05-1903 - Jimmy Ritz - Newark, NJ - d. 11-17-1985
comedian: (The Ritz Brothers) "Hollywood Hotel"
11-24-1900 - Ireene Wicker - Quincy, IL - d. 11-17-1987
actress: (The Singing Lady) Sylvia Bertram "Road of Life"; Eileen Moran
"Today"s Children"
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:27:57 -0500
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: radio show with Art
Hi everybody,
I receive a request if there any radio show with Art Carney singing with the
Horace Heidt big band. I understand through this request that Art started
out as a singer. Take care,
Walden Hughes
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:28:39 -0500
From: JackBenny@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Eddie Carroll
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Someone ([removed] track!) recently asked if Eddie Carroll was the same as
on Gomer Pyle. I sent the question to Eddie, and here's the response:
Hi LL,
Yes, and yes. Tom Hatten (a friend of ours) is the same guy with the kid
show and the other credits mentioned. And now on KNX radio. And yes, Eddie
is
the same one on Gomer Pyle. He was a reoccurring character on the series.
[removed] was a couple of years ago.
--Laura Leff
President, IJBFC
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:28:56 -0500
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Norman Corwin log
Hi Everybody,
has any one put together a Norman Corwin log and figured out which ones of
his shows are available in the hobby? Take care,
Walden Hughes
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:29:21 -0500
From: Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: re Peter Appleyard
I don't usually answer mail on line but to save a lot
of mail being sent in I think I should answer this
question asked by Michael.
I am NOT the vibe playing Peter Appleyard, but I do
like his music and have several of his LP's.
I am pretty good at playing the comb but I am sorry
thats as far as my talent goes, and thats not very
far.
Peter and myself do have one and only one thing in
common and that is our love of Big Band Music. We are
not even related but we do both live in Canada. He
lives down east and I live out west.
Charlie, I thank you for allowing me to answer this in
the digest.
Pete
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:29:32 -0500
From: Kcpymurphy@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Arkansas?
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I grew up in Arkansas, across the river from Memphis, TN. The state and the
river were prounced "R - Can - Saw" to us.
That's why I clarified the two different pronunciations being from Southeast
Kansas and Western Missouri, because we laughed [no offense, Dixon] when we
heard that people in Arkansas and Tennessee pronounce the state and the river
the same way. By the way, Dixon, do you or did you say "Mizzurah or
Mizzurree"?
Just curious - I find pronunciations fascinating.
kacie
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:30:16 -0500
From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Columbia Workshop on MP3
Kurt Yount [removed]
Does anybody know what the largest number of Columbia Workshop shows
exist in MP3. Wilbur, mentioned here, does not seem to be in MP3 if I am
not mistaken. Thanks in advance. I still think that Orson Welles is in
that play about the mine on the first Columbia Workshop. Kurt
I Have 83 Columbia Workshop shows on MP3 including "Wilbur(spelled Wilber on
my MP3) the Pyschonerotic Auto" from 8-11-46.
The dates of the Workshops run from 1936 to 1947.
George Aust
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:30:33 -0500
From: Paula Keiser <pkeiser@[removed];
To: OTR List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Gale Gordon on Fibber McGee
Once upon a time I owned a tape (thank you, Dave Goldin), now long lost,of
a Fibber McGee and Molly show in which Gale Gordon appeared as Mayor
LaTrivia, and in which LaTriv and McGee get into a discussion of an
upcoming train trip. It was Classic McGee-LaTrivia. McGee is describing
buying a ticket for an upper berth because it was cheaper. It ends with
one of those classic sputtering summaries by LaTrivia in which he stops
suddenly, and [removed] "[removed]"
Can anyone identify the episode for me?
Paula Keiser
Morrisville, PA
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:52:01 -0500
From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Penny Singleton Obituary
Here's an obituary of Penny Singleton from "The Cleveland Plain Dealer."
Looks like she performed with Jack Benny at one point - I never knew that.
Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]
PENNY Singleton, played Blondie in 28 popular movies
Cleveland Plain Dealer, OH
... By the time she was a teenager, she was getting chorus-girl and other
small roles on Broadway, including doing a number with Jack Benny in a
revue called "The ...
<[removed]
[removed];
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:52:14 -0500
From: Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed];
To: submit item <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Jack Benny Shows
I would like to purchase two Jack Benny shows. They
were broadcast on 5/3/53 and 3/7/54,
Gisele Mackenzie was on both these shows. If you have
either or both these shows and wouldn't mind selling
them to me I would really appreciate it.
Please contact me at pappleyard_ca@[removed]
Many [removed]
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 23:53:19 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Churchill's speeches
At 04:22 PM 11/16/2003, Mike Biel wrote:
We've discussed in the past that there is a similar contention that some of
Churchill's speeches were delivered by an actor, but I think I have nailed
this down to one specific speech, with all the others in question being the
recordings Churchill made in the late 40s and early 50s.
Several years ago a 78 Record was discovered among the estate of actor
Norman Shelley that was stamped with the notation: "BBC, Churchill Speech
Artist Norman Shelley September 7, 1942" The recording was purported to be
the "we shall fight them on the [removed]" speech and with the discovery
it was reported that the recording was used by the BBC with Shelley
pretending to be Churchill speaking to the listening public. The original
speech was made by Churchill to Parliament in June 1940.
But there is controversy over whether Shelley made the recording as a
substitute for Churchill. The date on the recording was a good two years
after the original speech. The recording turned out not to be the "fight on
the beaches" speech but rather dealing with events in Northern Africa in
1942. There was supposedly a request for Churchill to make the beaches
speech for a recording for the [removed], but, of course, the PM was otherwise
engaged. It is believed that the recording made for the [removed] might have
been Shelley, but the recording that surfaced was not that one.
Jim Widner
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 01:20:38 -0500
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Art Carney
For a couple of years at Christmas time I was
involved in a productionn called "The Holiday Big
Broadcast." In the Seattle area this ahow had become a
Holiday tradition for over 20 years. The show was a
tribute to OTR and its legends and was a tremendous
hit every year. In its last two season the second act
was rewritten to be a trip down memory lane of early
TV. This included a Honymooners recreation. I played
Ralph Kramden (No I'm not that fat) and a very
talented actor/musician/composer named Mark Anders was
Norton. We were dressed in costumes that were as close
to the originals a possible. The scene opened with
Alice and Trixie talking about Christmas presents and
who is giving who what. They leave the set and I made
my entrance as Ralph. Every night I got some polite
applause on my appearance. When Mark made his entrance
as Norton and said " Hey Ralph" the place came apart.
Art Carney created one of American television's
favorite icons and I believe he couldn't have done
without an inate awareness of what touched the
funnybone of his audience. He knew just how far to
take Norton's silliness and strange outlook on life.
And the reaction to Mark's entrance as the character
tells me just how much Art Carney's originality and
talent is sorely missed.
Larry Albert
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:56:57 -0500
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Art Carney & kinescope
Kinescope, a video camera trained on a small TV screen was the only way a
TV show could be recorded
and the results left a lot to be desired.
Bill Murtough answers a question that I've had in my mind as I've watched
grainy, washed-out reruns of early TV shows:
I always assumed that the kinescope process involved either a separate
videotape camera or a "feed-to-tape" mechanism from regular TV cameras. I
had no idea that the kinescope process was such a primitive hookup.
That would explain the poor quality of what we see today.
On the other hand, I suppose that if we didn't have kinescope tapes of
these shows, we wouldn't be able to see them at all.
Herb Harrison
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:53:44 -0500
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Winston Chruchill impersonator
In a message dated 11/16/03 3:25:17 PM, Michael Biel writes:
We've discussed in the past that there is a similar contention that some of
Churchill's speeches were delivered by an actor, but I think I have nailed
this down to one specific speech, with all the others in question being the
recordings Churchill made in the late 40s and early 50s.
***As I understand it, the BBC's designated wartime Winston Churchill voice
double was Norman Shelley, who costarred as Dr. Watson opposite Carlton Hobbs'
Sherlock Holmes from 1952 through 1969. (Three of these SHERLOCK HOLMES shows
are included in Radio Spirits' recent THE ULTIMATE SHERLOCK HOLMES
COLLECTION, along with shows starring Orson Welles, Basikl Rathbone, Tom
Conway and
Nigel Bruce, John Stanley and the Knights of Holmes, Sir John Gielgud and Sir
Ralph Richardson. Norman Shelley reportedly impersonated Churchill at times
when
it was deemed too dangerous for the prime minister to journey to the BBC's
studios. Seems more likely than Art Carney delivering FDR's fireside chats,
considering the German bombing of London, evacuation of children to the
countryside, etc. --Anthony Tollin***
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:21:27 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 11-18 births/deaths
November 18th births
11-18-1899 - Eugene Ormandy - Budapest, Hungary - d. 3-12-1985
conductor: "Roxy"s Gang"; "Phildelphia Orchestra"
11-18-1900 - Don Quinn - Grand Rapids, MI - d. 12-30-1967
writer: "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "Halls of Ivy"
11-18-1901 - Dr. George Gallup - Jefferson, IA - d. 7-26-1984
statistician: "Living 1948"
11-18-1909 - Johnny Mercer - Savannah, GA - d. 6-25-1976
singer: "Camel Caravan"; "Johnny Mercer"s Music Shop"; "Dinah Shore Show"
11-18-1912 - Arthur Peterson - Mandan, ND - d. 10-31-1996
actor: Reverend John Rutledge "Guiding Light"; "World"s Great Novels"
11-18-1926 - Dorothy Collins - Windsor, Ontario, Canada - d. 7-21-1994
singer: "Your Hit Parade"
11-18-1928 - Mickey Mouse - Hollywood, CA
cartoon character: "Mickey Mouse Theatre of the Air"
November 19th deaths
07-06-1910 - Dorothy Kirsten - Montclair, NJ - d. 11-18-1992
singer: "Keepsakes"; "Kraft Music Hall"; "Light Up Time"
07-14-1880 - Donald Meek - Glasgow, Scotland - d. 11-18-1946
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
12-25-1907 - Cab Calloway - Rochester, NY - d. 11-18-1994
band leader: "Quizzical"
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:08:49 -0500
From: Lee Munsick <leemunsick@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Carney's Fireside Chats?
I agree with Mike Biel's comment regarding a reporter's claim that Art
Carney actually did one or more of FDR's "Fireside Chats". I don't
believe it.
Good friend Derek Tague dialed all around the other night and sent me
all or most of the Art Carney tributes on all the broadcast networks
plus CNN, Fox News Channel, and ET. It was on either the New York
WCBS-TV feed or perhaps the CBS net, where film critic Jeffery Lyons
made that claim, or at least that's what I thought he said! I am wont
to yell back at the screen on occasion, and this was such an event,
"Whattttt????" I was about to inquire of Lyons to elucidate when I read
Mike's commentary. I'll await the response to Biel! Mike, do share
with us whatever results you get!
This reminds me of the rumors I got for years that the Chordettes/Arthur
Godfrey Columbia recording of "Candy and Cake" was actually not of Mr.
Godfrey, but Art Carney imitating Mr. Godfrey. All kinds of stories
that the session was scheduled, and Mr. G couldn't make it or was ill,
or some such. Nonsense. It was some time before I found out that the
two Arthurs did the number (sans the barber shop ladies) on a Godfrey
radio program, and the recording appears on a later compilation of
Godfrey items. On it, they alternate ad-libbing back and forth, each
doing his imitation of Arthur Godfrey, or perhaps Arthur Godfrey's
imitation of Art Carney imitating Art Godfrey! Carney keeps a straight
voice all the way through, but Godfrey finally cracks up.
By the way, for future biographers: Just as he absolutely detested
being called "The Old Redhead", Mr. Godfrey bridled when someone called
him "Art". Go figure.
I tried for a long time to contact Art Carney to ask for an interview
with him, always without success. To get the story on the "Candy and
Cake" business, I finally typed out a questionnaire, with roomy spaces
in between my questions. Two copies to him, with an SASE. One came
back, duly filled in with his answers. I hoped that would open the door
to an interview, but that's all I ever got! I was amazed to watch the
TV salutes on all the networks, complete with the results of several
different interviews with Art Carney, who always had a reputation as a
sort of loner, not seeking the limelight or attention offstage. I
salute you newspersons, luckier than I! I wanted to get more details
from Art Carney about his brother Jack Carney, who conceived the idea
for what became "Arthur Godfrey and His Talent Scouts", and for years
was the Director on that show. When he left that post, Godfrey
songstress Janette Davis took over that post.
From my own collection and by listening to XM Channel 164, perhaps once
a month I'll hear some dramatic or comedy show with an unidentified but
very talented radio performer doing an incredible, amazing job with a
very trying, over-written character. When I finally learned who that
actor was, I was often happy but not particularly surprised to hear it
was Art Carney. What an incredible talent!
Jackie Gleason was certainly not known for being ego-less. Appropriate,
perhaps, as certain it was that he had more than his share of talent and
ability. But Gleason was quite open and consistent in his obeisance to
Art Carney. Often he gave clear notice that "The Honeymooners" and he
(Gleason) would never have been the success they were all those years,
nor lasted as long as they did, were it not for Art Carney's incredible
input. Gleason was a great ad-libber, but stated that often he just let
Carney take off, and followed his lead. As a great amount of the
material saved in those amazing kinescopes was totally unscripted, the
wisdom of that judgment was proven many times over.
Godfrey, Carney and Gleason were great friends. It's too bad there
isn't more film or tape available of two of them together, let alone all
three. So they're all together now, having a ball. Wouldn't you like
to be a fly on the wall (or an interstellar image orthicon) for that?
On the same video that Derek Tague sent me with the Art Carney salutes,
was most of the recent "Back to Mayberry" salutes. Narrators on both
Andy Griffith and Art Carney pointed out that their shows are still
being seen somewhere nearly every day. I think it absolutely fitting
that they and the various Lucille Ball TV incarnations probably will be
seen around the world forever, and should be. Probably do more in the
long run for America's reputation around the world than all our foreign
aid spending ever done! Great writing, good clean fun, sincerity,
genial warmth, wonderful talents, outstanding direction, and excellent
production values will out! I can't think of better representatives of
the American personality.
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