Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #82
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 3/12/2001 1:55 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                          The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                             Volume 01 : Issue 82
                       A Part of the [removed]!
                               ISSN: 1533-9289

                               Today's Topics:

     Old  Recording                       ["David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@rivnet]
     DECEMBER BRIDE                       ["Frosty R. Povick" <Frosty@prodigy.]
     My Old Flame                         ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     The Little People, Begorrah ...      ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     No women in OTR, Elizabeth [removed]       ["Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];  ]
     OTR Book Veracity                    [JackBenny@[removed]                  ]
     Re:  "Two O'Clock Eastern Wartime"   ["Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed]]
     Another female heard from            [DIANEK9331@[removed]                 ]
     Women and OTR                        ["Mary Anne Burkhalter" <characterst]
     Radio listening tip                  ["Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed]]
     Lou Costello's Daughter Interview    [Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed]; ]
     "Cohen on the Telephone" and "Of Mik ["Tom Thomas" <tomth@[removed]; ]
     Jim Backus                           [Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed]]
     WOMEN IN OTR                         ["Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
     Re: TV as radio                      [Bill Harris <billhar@[removed];    ]
     Re: visual vs. aural memories        [MoondanceFF@[removed]                ]
     Re: Yellow Wallpaper/film            [MoondanceFF@[removed]                ]
     Re: "gals" on [removed] Digest! [MoondanceFF@[removed]                ]
     Re: re: Staring into the Flames      ["David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed]]
     Re: re: Staring into the Flames      ["David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed]]
     Doc Savage                           ["Art Department" <wolowicz@[removed]]
     Today in radio history               [Joe Mackey <wmackey@[removed]]

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:12:33 -0500
    From: "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Old  Recording

    Since many of the OTR participants here obviously have more than a passing
    knowledge and interest in recordings of the 1920s. To that point, I visited
    a friend recently who showed me some old 1920s era 78s (Victor pressings, as
    I recall) featuring "Wilbur Sweatman and His Original Jazz Band."  I
    confessed I had never heard of Mr. Sweatman but said I would ask a group who
    just might know the group or have an appropriate reference book.  Can anyone
    help?

    Dave

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:13:03 -0500
    From: "Frosty R. Povick" <Frosty@[removed];
    To: OTR Rountable <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  DECEMBER BRIDE

    Recently I was discussing the DECEMBER BRIDE tv show with some
    friends.  They said it was on radio before going to tv. I
    don't remember it being on radio, and can't seem to find any
    info on it.  Since I'm not an expert, I was a little afraid to
    argue with them! Does anyone out there know anything about
    whether the radio show did exist? Or can I make them eat
    crow?

    Thanks for the help.

    frosty

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:09:33 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  My Old Flame

    Elizabeth E, commenting upon the phenomenon of people staring at flames,
    observed,

> >     I wonder if the caveman's campfire flickering & story-telling time is

    analogous to the way we used to sit around the old radio, intently
    watching the glowing gold, flickering [removed];<

    Umm ... the dials in out house glowed steadily, if they glowed at all.
    I've mentioned previously that the tubes gave off a cheery glow from the
    rear of the set (I often listened to some of the evening shows like The
    Lone Ranger in my room, the dark.  Some light spillage   came out the
    back of my radio).  But nothing flickered.

    Stephen A. Kalluis, Jr.

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:09:35 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Little People, Begorrah ...

    Mark Kinsler, on the thread about little people in radios, recalls,

> >     Perhaps those of us who are older will remember a cartoon in the New

    Yorker magazine many years ago, possibly by Chas Addams.  Fellow looks at
    his radio over on the table and there, emerging from a little door in the
    back, are the tiny musicians with their instrument cases, putting on
    their tiny hats and coats as they [removed];<

    As a Charles Addams fan from about age 9, I remember that cartoon, which
    came in the 1950s.  However, it was at an office, and the little people
    were coming out of a Muzak speaker enclosure.  It appeared later in one
    of the several Addams cartoon collections.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:09:38 -0500
    From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
    To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  No women in OTR, Elizabeth [removed]

    What am I, chopped liver?

    Lois Culver
    KWLK, Longview, WA (Mutual) 1941-1943
    KFI, Los Angeles, CA (NBC)1944-48, 1950-53

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:09:40 -0500
    From: JackBenny@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR Book Veracity

    Having just written an article for another OTR journal on Jack's early radio
    work, this subject is near and dear to my heart.  I have all the books on
    Jack (and two logs) stacked to my left, and used them all in writing the
    article.  I've always been a real stickler for accuracy, and try to do my
    homework carefully when writing such pieces.

    However, I've sometimes found after the fact that I still didn't do enough,
    as in the case of my recent relating here of Jack's first funny commercial.
    I said that Jack stated that *he* was walking through the Sahara Desert
    (confirmed with a couple books, but I still thought it didn't make a lot of
    sense), whereas I later found that he was reading a telegram from the Canada
    Dry salesman in North Africa (having cross-referenced with the rest of the
    books, and this makes much more sense).  Some day I'll go look at the actual
    script and have it from the source.

    Take a look at our FAQ for three different versions of the story on how Jack
    started putting his hand up to his cheek.  You run into this sort of thing a
    lot.

    I remember an interview I did with Sam Perrin several years ago.  During the
    interview itself, he said that the opening theme of the program was "Hooray
    for Hollywood".  I knew that it was a medley of "Yankee Doodle Dandy" and
    "Love in Bloom", and posed that as a question ("Gee, I thought it [removed]
    'Hooray for Hollywood' the closing theme perhaps?").  He stood by his
    statement, noting that he had heard it hundreds of times.

    I think that Larry Adler put it best in the intro to his autobiography:

    "Something that must worry any autobiographer is the treachery of memory.  I
    find in too many instances that it's completely unreliable.  I think I'm
    writing the truth, I'd even swear to it, but how can I be sure?

    "[Telling of trying to get back to New York from Newfoundland by hopping a
    ride with a British airman]...It was immensely exciting but the best part
    came when we were over Gander.  Then the C-47 pilot released the glider to
    make its own landing.  The feeling of free-floating, away from the noise of
    the C-47's engine, is indescribable, at least by me.  It was the ultimate
    escape from reality.  I wished that we could remain like that, just floating,
    never having to land, but gravity doesn't work that way.  I thanked my
    friend, we had a final drink and I caught a commercial plane to New York.

    "It was an exciting experience and I told a lot of people about it.  Then, a
    few years ago, I found a diary dating back to the Newfoundland tour.  Here
    are two excerpts:

    "27 Apr. 1943 Harmon
    'Met RAF Captain who had set world's glider record that day.  He flies to
    Gander tomorrow.  I asked him to take me along.'

    "28 Apr. 1943 Harmon to Gander
    'Got up early, retrieved my passport, had breakfast with RAF captain and then
    to hangar.  I rode in huge C-47, a cargo plane.  The squadron leader rode in
    the glider which, amazingly, carries very few passengers.  Reached Gander
    very soon.'

    "There is a discrepancy, wouldn't you say, between the story I've been
    telling for years and the account, written on the day it happened?  Obviously
    I wasn't in the glider at all.  In fact I've never been in a glider in my
    life.

    "Well, after that, how can you believe anything I say?  Am I a congenital
    liar?  No more than most people.  I am, of course, a ham with a ham's wish to
    make a good story better.  It would have been more exciting if I had been in
    the glider.  It is obvious that I wished I had been in the glider.  And,
    after a while, I damned well *was* in the glider."

    --Laura Leff
    President, IJBFC
    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:23:07 -0500
    From: "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:  "Two O'Clock Eastern Wartime"

    I just read a review of the new John Dunning book, "Two O'Clock
    Eastern Wartime"   (Scribner) . The story captures the excitement
    and frustration about the power of radio while tapping into the mood
    of a country at war.  Radio, one actor says, is "so new and exciting
    that nobody knows how good it can be." (in 1942)
    John Dunning is also the author of an encyclopedia of OTR.

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:23:09 -0500
    From: DIANEK9331@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Another female heard from

    Hello All,
    I am a 37 year old female OTR [removed] have been a fan since I was 12 years old
    and borrowed a recording of Lux Theater's "Gaslight" from the public library.
    My collection just passed the 3000 show mark. With this digest, I am more of
    a lurker. I love the shows but my knowledge of background facts is pretty
    limited. Therefore, I read and learn and rarely post. The few times a
    question is asked that I do know the answer to, I correctly assume that
    several others can and will post a more detailed and accurate answer. I am
    sure there are many of us, male and female, who enjoy reading and learning
    from the expertise of the many posters.
    Diane:-)

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:23:10 -0500
    From: "Mary Anne Burkhalter" <characterstogo@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Women and OTR

    Hi, this is Mary Anne.  I'm new to the list, but have written twice so far
    -- but I'm here!

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:23:14 -0500
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio listening tip

    It's not old-time radio, but it's worth hearing.  There's a radio show on, I
    think, National Public Radio called "Selected Shorts."  Two short stories,
    typically contemporary, read before an audience by an actor or other
    professional.  It works amazingly well.  We hear it at 7:00 am on Sunday
    morning on WCBE-FM from Columbus.  The organization that puts it on is
    called "Symphony Space," and they have a web site of some sort.  A web
    search will produce a more reliable URL than my memory. I believe that they
    have a station list and schedule there.

    M Kinsler

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:23:19 -0500
    From: Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Lou Costello's Daughter Interview

    Scheduled for a live interview is Chris Costello, Lou Costello's daughter,
    on Tuesday night, March 13, at 10:40 Eastern on Yesterday USA at
    [removed].  Check YUSA's web site for upcoming celebrity
    interviews and OTR schedules.
    Duane Keilstrup

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:23:22 -0500
    From: "Tom Thomas" <tomth@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  "Cohen on the Telephone" and "Of Mikes and Men"

    I've been lurking on this list for quite a while, so I'd like to introduce
    myself.  I'm 48 years old, but didn't start listening to OTR until a couple
    of years ago.  But looking back, my interest started when I was very young,
    hearing my parents and others from their generation describe the radio
    programs they liked.  I was intrigued hearing about their listening habits -
    when they listened, who liked what, and how they used to sit around watching
    the radio.  They described serials that they listened to as kids, and to
    this day at family reunions, they will repeat favorite catch phrases from
    their favorites when they were kids.  I think I was hooked way back then,
    but just hadn't started listening yet.  My introduction to OTR programs was,
    as with many folks, "War of the Worlds", then  "The Shadow and "Sherlock
    Holmes."  When I discovered this digest as a result of a search on Old Time
    Radio on the web, I was amazed at the depth of knowledge of the
    contributors.  This Digest led me to sources other than what's available
    commercially.  I am also amazed at the quantity and variety of programs
    available.  The only advantage to my hour plus one way commute to work is
    that I have lots of time to listen.  I do have a comment and a couple of
    questions.

    Art Shifrin wrote:

>     At that time, "ethnic humor" typically consisted of gross malapropisms,

    whatever

>     the 'group' (Black, Irish, Jewish, German, Hillbilly,  [removed]) they were

    ostensibly 'depicting'.

>     One of the on going series on Columbia Records, starting around 1915 was

    "[removed]"

>     (Cohen Telephones The Health Dept, Cohen On The >Telephone, Cohen Buys A

    Radio, etc.)

    About fifteen minutes after I read that, I decided to read a little more in
    "Sunday Nights at Seven:  The Jack Benny Story" by Jack Benny and his
    daughter Joan.  Almost the first page I read contained this description from
    one of his programs:  "Once, you heard my footsteps as I went into a store
    to shop for my first television set, and my monologue went: 'While I'm in
    there looking over television sets, I think I'll buy some new records for
    the [removed]'m getting sick and tired of 'Cohen on the Telephone.'"
    HadI not caught up on recent issues of the Digest, I wouldn't have any idea
    what 'Cohen on the Telephone' meant.  What a great resource this forum is,
    and thanks to those who make it that way.

    My first question concerns a statement his daughter made in this book.  She
    says that her mother Mary developed stage fright to the point that in 1950
    she began to record her part of the show at home with Benny on Saturdays,
    while she (Joan) filled in for her mother at rehearsal and for the show
    itself.  His daughter says [removed]"when the show was aired her (Mary's)
    voice had been spliced into the tape, so the listening audience heard the
    real Mary Livingstone and not me." Is this a an accurate statement, that
    Jack Benny was taped and played later.  It seems like an impossible task to
    replace one person dialogue with anothers.  What about the affect on the
    audiences laughter, sound effects, etc., that would betray the lack of
    continuity.  Was the program still live with a studio audience?  By 1950 how
    many programs were still being broadcast live?  I guess I supposed the
    majority were still live.

    My second question concerns a book by Jane Woodfin, "Of Mikes and Men."  Its
    copyright is 1951 and the book deals with her experiences working at a radio
    station during the depression.  I'm curious whether anyone is familiar with
    this book, and if it is accurate, or whether it's only loosely based on
    radio of that period.  The radio station is KUKU in Portland, Oregon.  That
    name, and a description of the station manager beating the phone company out
    of installation and connection charges by stringing cable through the sewer
    for a remote broadcast make me wonder.  Is it intended to be more
    entertainment - which it definitely is - or is it factual.  I'm having
    trouble with the cable story, but I've learned of many strange things
    before.

    Tom Thomas

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:23:19 -0500
    From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Jim Backus

    One of my favorite actors is the late Jim Backus.  Whenever you hear or
    watch him -- as the voice of Mr. Magoo, as the weak father in "Rebel
    Without a Cause," as the snooty Thurston Howell on "Gilligan's Island, in
    the  Broadway  plays and  radio and television programs in which he
    appeared,  he always commands attention.

    I am re-reading his autobiography, co-authored with his wife, Henny, and am
    struck with his reverence for radio.  He writes about his announcing chores
    in 1936 for Cleveland's  WTAM, an NBC outlet. He speaks about his role
    models-- Milton J. Cross,  Alois Havrilla,  Andre Baruch,  Del Sharbutt,
    and Harry Von Zell.  Of the great, inimitable, Westbrook Van Voorhis, he
    writes, "... the mere mention of  [his]  name stayed eagles in their
    flight.  His voice could shatter a shaving mug at twenty paces. ...When Van
    Voorhis said good-bye to you, it meant that you WERE [removed] .  I can
    can still see those fan pictures that I sent away for of these cupped-ear
    greats." [FORGIVE US OUR DIGRESSIONS; St. Martin's Press, 1988], p. 80.

    Backus  eventually became a busy radio actor in New York, often doing
    twenty-five shows a week.  He writes of his "Stella Dallas" stint, ..."one
    of the dullest parts I had the pleasure of playing was that of Dick
    Grosvenor, Stella Dallas's son-in-law. After I got to Hollywood, I
    discovered that five other actors had played the part before me, namely,
    Everett Sloane, Barry Sullivan, MacDonald Carey, Frank Lovejoy, and Richard
    Widmark." (p. 111)  Wow!  It looks like "Stella Dallas" had a powerful
    company of actors!

    Backus credits "The Alan Young Show" with helping him develop his famous
    character, Thurston Howell, for the  television show, "Gilligan's Island."
    On "The Alan Young Show," Backus created the pompous Hubert Updyke III, a
    lovable, wealthy, and vain man who constantly boasts about his position in
    society.  Thurston Howell is very similar.

    Of his new York radio career, Backus notes, "When you figure that the
    daytime shows paid thirty-five dollars apiece, that I averaged three a day,
    and that I usually topped off the day with a big show like "Gangbusters,"
    "Henry Aldrich," "The Fred Allan Show," or "The Kate Smith Show," which
    paid about a hundred bucks a throw --- plus spot announcements,
    commercials, and hitchhikes, I was doing all right!" (p. 110)   I wasn't
    familiar with the term "hitchhike," but Backus explains it as "a Madison
    Avenue term for an added commercial tagged onto the end of a show, usually
    plugging one of the sponsor's subsidiary products.  These paid eleven
    dollars and took five minutes of our time." (Ibid.)

    I would urge you to find  FORGIVE US OUR DIGRESSIONS.  It's a wonderful
    read.

    Dennis Crow

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 01:23:17 -0500
    From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WOMEN IN OTR

       In answer to the inquiry about the women who played a part in OTR, how
    about the woman who headed the CBS SFX department in 1938, and provided
    those realistic sound patterns for WOTW * and there was Irene Wicker, (The
    Singing Lady) who was a master of dialect and voices almost as superior as
    Miriam Wolfe from Let's Pretend * Then we had Viola Vonn, who preceded Kate
    Smith in the 20's.  And last, but by no means least, one of the first lady
    news and talk show hosts, Kathy Godfrey, the little-known sister of her
    famous big brother, Arthur.

       I am sure there were others, but these are ones that are implanted in my
    "theatre of the mind."

                                  -  30  -

    Owens Pomeroy
    "That Nostalgia Guy"

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:37:01 -0500
    From: Bill Harris <billhar@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: TV as radio

    Frank Phillips commented:

>     Everyone living near a TV station assigned by the FCC to channel 6 (NOT
>     channel 6 on cable) can listen to the station on [removed] FM, which is a
>     harmonic of the sound frequency. I often do so as I drive around, because I
>     would rather hear a decent TV show or newscast than lousy music!

    You are actually listening to the fundamental frequency of the sound carrier on
    [removed] MHz for channel 6. A harmonic is a multiple of the fundamental frequency,
    the second harmonic would be on [removed] MHz.

    Bill Harris

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:37:03 -0500
    From: MoondanceFF@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: visual vs. aural memories

    In a message dated 3/11/01 3:10:52 PM, Michael Biel writes:

    << there are studies that have been made of brain scans showing that some
    people are more acute with visual memory and others with aural memory.  This
    can explain why some are more drawn to music and radio and others to art and
    film. >>

    Interesting, Michael. As a screenwriter and wannabe filmmaker, I've been
    taught by pros that one's visual memory is far superior to one's aural
    memory. Even short-term, while watching a film or TV, for example. Yet, I was
    just having a conversation this evening with a newbie screenwriter student of
    mine, and he brought up some examples of things he liked in films, and they
    were ALL his aural memories. The scene in My Cousin Vinnie, where the judge
    mishears Joe Pesci, and asks, "two Utes?", and in Cool Hand Luke, where the
    jailer says, "what we have here is a failure to communicate." Now, certainly,
    these are memorable bits of dialog, but I would have remembered the visuals
    first, myself. A screenwriter MUST think like a cinematographer, so I
    wondered about this student's ability to write visually for the camera.

    It seems that both opinions may be correct, for different people. Thanks for
    the heads-up info.

    Cheers!--EE

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:37:05 -0500
    From: MoondanceFF@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Yellow Wallpaper/film

    In a message dated 3/11/01 3:10:52 PM, [removed]@[removed]
    writes:

    << I just listened to an episode of Suspense, "The Yellow Wallpaper,"
    (7-29-48) with Anges Morehead  >>

    That's also quite well-regarded independent film, available through several
    sources: The Cinema Guild & Women Make Movies. I've requested a copy of it
    for possible screening at the next Moondance.

    Cheers!--EE

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 08:37:07 -0500
    From: MoondanceFF@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: "gals" on [removed] Digest!

    In a message dated 3/11/01 3:10:52 PM, Gloria writes:

    << We gals are here >>

    That's good to know! I guess I'm still  a newbie on this e-group, and should
    have waited a while to meet the women of OTR, before commenting. ;o)

    Cheers!--EE

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 09:56:00 -0500
    From: "David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: re: Staring into the Flames

    In Issue 81, Elizabeth E. wrote:

> >     I wonder if the caveman's campfire flickering & story-telling time is

    analogous to the way we used to sit around the old radio, intently watching
    the glowing gold, flickering [removed] <<

    No, I don't think so.  While OTR is considerably closer to the art of
    storytelling than TV, it is still worlds apart from the art of storytelling
    itself.  Radio, while it "tells" a story after a fashion, does not compare
    with the art of real story-telling, which involved the expressions,
    inflections, gestures -- and most of all the personality -- of the
    story-teller.  Story telling depends heavily on established patterns of
    thought and the use of memory "hooks" that consistently maintain the gist
    and flow of the story, but allowing it to be tailored to fit specific
    situations.

    No, OTR, as enjoyable and entertaining as it is, is not like the caveman
    sitting by the flickering fire telling stories.  The glow on the dial may
    captivate our attention as do the flickering flames.  But
    beyond that there is no comparison.  OTR, as someone once described it to
    me, is "disembodied voices" which lacks the power of the presence,
    inflections, expressions, gestures and personality of the storyteller  in
    storytelling that make the story what it is:  one terrific art form -- and
    what a shame our TV generation is losing -- or maybe has lost -- the art.

    To use Garrison Keillor as a case in point, I have never actually been
    privileged to attend one of his shows in person, but I suspect that what
    comes over the airwaves is considerably lacking to what one finds in person.
    Even though someone like Keillor tells fabulous "stories" on radio, one
    loses out on the sheer presence of his personality and expressions -- the
    non-verbal part of his message -- and the experience must be lessened.

    OTR would have been but one more step in moving us as a culture away from
    the art of storytelling, families sitting around, telling the stories of
    past generations and what happened down at Joe's General Store.  Today we
    barely communicate at all.

    Dave Phaneuf

    NOTE TO CHARLIE:  Does this fit better?

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 10:00:00 -0500
    From: "David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: re: Staring into the Flames

    In Issue 81, Elizabeth E. wrote:

> >     I wonder if the caveman's campfire flickering & story-telling time is

    analogous to the way we used to sit around the old radio, intently watching
    the glowing gold, flickering [removed] <<

    No, I don't think so.  While OTR is considerably closer to the art of
    storytelling than TV, it is still worlds apart from the art of storytelling
    itself.  Radio, while it "tells" a story after a fashion, does not compare
    with the art of real story-telling, which involved the expressions,
    inflections, gestures -- and most of all the personality -- of the
    story-teller.  Story telling depends heavily on established patterns of
    thought and the use of memory "hooks" that consistently maintain the gist
    and flow of the story, but allowing it to be tailored to fit specific
    situations.

    No, OTR, as enjoyable and entertaining as it is, is not like the caveman
    sitting by the flickering fire telling stories.  The glow on the dial may
    captivate our attention as do the flickering flames.  But
    beyond that there is no comparison.  OTR, as someone once described it to
    me, is "disembodied voices" which lacks the power of the presence,
    inflections, expressions, gestures and personality of the storyteller  in
    storytelling that make the story what it is:  one terrific art form -- and
    what a shame our TV generation is losing -- or maybe has lost -- the art.

    To use Garrison Keillor as a case in point, I have never actually been
    privileged to attend one of his shows in person, but I suspect that what
    comes over the airwaves is considerably lacking to what one finds in person.
    Even though someone like Keillor tells fabulous "stories" on radio, one
    loses out on the sheer presence of his personality and expressions -- the
    non-verbal part of his message -- and the experience must be lessened.

    OTR would have been but one more step in moving us as a culture away from
    the art of storytelling, families sitting around, telling the stories of
    past generations and what happened down at Joe's General Store.  Today we
    barely communicate at all.

    Dave Phaneuf

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:25:57 -0500
    From: "Art Department" <wolowicz@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Doc Savage

    Does anyone know if any of the original Doc Savage series still exists.
    I've heard that none of the original recordigs have made it into the 21st
    century, but thought y'all might have some more to say on the subject.
    In advance, thanks,

    Shawn

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    Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2001 14:02:01 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <wmackey@[removed];
    To: otr-otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

       From The Learning Kingdom Today in history --

       1933: [removed] President Franklin Delano Roosevelt Delivered First
    "Fireside Chat"
       Joe

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