Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #241
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 7/24/2004 10:18 AM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 241
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Beefsteak For A Black Eye             [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      7-24 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Page dropping mystery solved          [ BH <radiobill@[removed]; ]
      Jubilee?                              [ "jazmaan@[removed]" <dmf273@ya ]
      BRIGHT STAR                           [ Gsgreger@[removed] ]
      Moore/Kirkwood/Putnam                 [ Udmacon@[removed] ]
      George Putnam                         [ "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed]; ]
      Funny Men                             [ "Donald P. Tuttle" <dobbsi5@[removed] ]
      George Putnam (Off Topic)             [ "Philip Railsback" <philiprailsback ]
      Tommy Dorsey Show                     [ "Austotr" <austotr@[removed]; ]
      Victor Moore                          [ <fc90030@[removed]; ]
      OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK               [ "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed] ]
      Big Bands                             [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      A check for a short beer?             [ "Matthew Bullis" <matthewbullis@run ]
      7-25 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Re:"Lawremce" Albert                  [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      More Benny                            [ "corganoid@[removed]" <corganoid@jun ]

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    Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:51:35 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Beefsteak For A Black Eye

    Arlene Osborne asks, anent applying a beefsteak on a black eye,

>     Can anyone tell me how this practice got started?  Was it because the
>     beef was cold or perhaps it was thought to have some medicinal
>     qualities?

    Probably the former.  In many larger cities, in the early 20th Century,
    barbers kept a jar of leeches to treat bruises, including black eyes (the
    red stripe on the barber pole is an echo that in earlier times, barbers
    were considered minor surgeons).  In New York City in the late 1950s, I
    found a largish barber shop that advertised that they had leeches, so the
    practice may still be ongoing.  However, recall that in the 1930s, there
    were many parts of the [removed] where there were ice boxes rather than
    refrigerators, and a piece of meat kept in one of those would be cold
    enough when applied to a "shiner" to minimize the subctaneous bleeding.
    Besides being cold, a beefsteak would be flexible, making it easier to
    adjust to facial contours, and unlike a ham steak, wouldn't be cured.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 15:52:52 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  7-24 births/deaths

    July 24th births

    07-24-1853 - William Gillette - Hartford, CT - d. 4-29-1937
    actor: Sherlock Holmes "Sherlock Holmes"
    07-24-1890 - Basil Ruysdael - Jersey City, NJ - d. 10-20-1960
    announcer: "Beggar's Bowl"; "Your Hit Parade"; "Cavalcade of America"
    07-24-1907 - Glenn Riggs - East McKeesport, PA - d. 9-12-1975
    announcer: "Musical Varities"; "Hop Harrigan"; "Boston Blackie"
    07-24-1911 - Raymond Edward Johnson - Kenosha, WI - d. 8-15-2001
    actor: Raymond your host "Inner Sanctum Mysteries"; Don Winslow "Don Winslow
    of the Navy"
    07-24-1913 - Hollace (Vivien) Shaw - Fresno, CA - d. 3-2-1976
    singer: "Blue Velvet"; "Vic Damone and Hollace Shaw Show"
    07-24-1914 - Frank Silvera - Kingston, Jamaica, West Indies - d. 6-11-1970
    actor: "X Minus One"
    07-24-1916 - Bob Eberly - Mechanicsville, NY - d. 11-17-1981
    singer: (Jimmy Dorsey Band)
    07-24-1921 - Billy Taylor - Greenville, SC
    host: "Mildred Bailey Show"; "Bing Crosby Show"; "Genius of Duke"

    July 24th deaths

    01-12-1892 - Ed McConnell - Atlanta, GA - d. 7-24-1954
    host, actor: Smilin' Ed McConnell Show"
    03-05-1920 - Virginia Christine - Stanton, IA - d. 7-24-1996
    actress: "Confession"; "Gunsmoke"
    07-18-1872 - Fred Sullivan - London, England - d. 7-24-1937
    actor: Kirby Willoughby "Arnold Grimm's Daughter"; Mitchell Frazier "Story of
    Mary Marlin"
    09-08-1925 - Peter Sellers - Southsea, England - d. 7-24-1980
    comedian: Hercules Grytpype-Thynne, Major Dennis Bloodnok, others "Goon Show"
    10-22-1905 - Constance Bennett - NYC - d. 7-24-1965
    interviewer, panelist: "Constance Bennett Calls on You"; "Leave It to the
    Girls"
    12-13-1905 - Jay Jostyn - Milwaukee, WI - d. 7-24-1977
    actor: Max Tilley "Life of Mary Sothern"; Mr, District Attorney "Mr. District
    Attorney"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 17:56:26 -0400
    From: BH <radiobill@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Page dropping mystery solved

>     I know this subject has been discussed a bit lately and seems to come up
>     every once in awhile.

    Check the link below, there is a LOT of paper on the floor. Sound
    effects maybe?

    [removed]

    Bill H.

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    Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:23:35 -0400
    From: "jazmaan@[removed]" <dmf273@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jubilee?

    Does anyone else here collect Jubilee, the war-time jazz show?   I have quite a few but
    there are a still many episodes listed in [removed] that I have been
    unable to track down.   Please let me know if you might be able to help me out.   Thanks.

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    Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:23:38 -0400
    From: Gsgreger@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  BRIGHT STAR
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    I've recently had the pleasure of listening to about two dozen episodes of
    "The Irene Dunne-Fred MacMurray Show," also called "Bright Star."  It was a
    syndicated show broadcast during the 1952-1953 season.  It's a cute light comedy
    series about the "light love affair" between the editor of the Hillsdale
    Morning Star (Irene Dunne as Susan Armstrong) and her "ace reporter" (Fred MacMurray
    as George Harvey).  The announcer for approximately the first half of the
    series was Harry Von Zell, while Wendell Niles did the announcing for the
    remaining shows.

    Although only Dunne and MacMurray's characters are identified by the
    announcer, I have recognized guest players including Sheldon Leonard, Parley Baer,
    Hans Conried, Tony Barrett, Betty Lou Gerson, Barton Yarborough, Jeff Silver, Joe
    DuVal, Martha Wentworth, Joe Granby, Jack Kruschen, Vic Perrin, Ed Max, Ralph
    Moody and Barney Phillips.

    Two supporting characters in every episode were the Morning Star Copy Boy,
    Sammy, and Susan's housekeeper/cook, Patience.  It appears that Sammy is either
    a teenager or in his very early twenties and the actor plays him as a cross
    between Jughead Jones and Homer Brown.  Patience's voice is similar to Ann B.
    Davis, but surely isn't her.

    Do any of you readers know what actors play Sammy or Patience?  I've
    consulted both editions of Dunning and several other OTR reference books to no avail.
    I just can't identify them.  HELP!!!!!

    Thanks!

    Gordon Gregersen
    La Grande, Oregon
    Heart of the Blue Mountains and the Grande Ronde Valley

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    Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:27:56 -0400
    From: Udmacon@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Moore/Kirkwood/Putnam

    Growing up in Jackson Heights, Queens, NYC, I couldn't HELP but know who
    Victor Moore was. He invested in an Art Deco bus station/subway station/store
    & office building known as the Victor Moore Arcade. It stood until a year or
    two ago, long after Moore sadly had been forgotten. Moore was Vice President
    Alexander Throttlebottom in the Broadway musical: "Of Thee I Sing." That
    really put him on the map.

    Even as a pre-teen I enjoyed the humor of Jack Kirkwood. I believe he had a
    daily show very early in the evening.

    George Putnam amazes me. He was "George Carson Putnam" on early DuMont
    Television doing a daily noontime "Headline Clues" telecast. This was in the
    late 40s or early 50s. He was followed by "live" daily variety shows hosted
    by the likes of Johnny Olsen and Dennis James.

    This was the kind of stuff that, sadly, drew us kids away from radio in 1949
    (except, of course, the 5 to 6 pm kids' drama block).

    BILL KNOWLTON: "Bluegrass Ramble," WCNY-FM ([removed]) Syracuse, WUNY ([removed])
    Utica; WJNY ([removed]) Watertown NY. On the web: [removed]. Sundays: 9 pm to
    midnight EST (since 1973)

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    Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 20:28:16 -0400
    From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  George Putnam

    Thanks to seandd for the site where George Putnam Remembers. Got a kick out
    of it!

    George was in and out of KFI Los Angeles often, and many times someone
    wanted to introduce me to him.   He came off like a huge puppy dog who
    wanted to lick my face in his enthusiasm.  I slipped away when I saw him
    arriving.

    Lois Culver
    KFI Los Angeles 1944-1950 intermittantly

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    Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:41:03 -0400
    From: "Donald P. Tuttle" <dobbsi5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Funny Men

    Remember the stoic but perplexed plumber trying to get Marilyn Monroe's toe out of the
    bathtub faucet in "Seven Year Itch"? Victor Moore.

    =====
    Donald P. Tuttle

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    Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:41:28 -0400
    From: "Philip Railsback" <philiprailsback@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  George Putnam (Off Topic)

    George Putnam, who was a LA newsanchor in the sixties and seventies (and got
    paid one dollar more than Walter Cronkite, I've heard him say), was the
    basis for Ted Baxter.  If you ever heard Putnam speak, you'd see the
    resemblance of his delivery is unmistakable.  Over the years, the creators
    of  the Mary Tyler Moore show have diplomatically said that Ted was a
    combinatin of newscasters.  But I got to know one of the main writers for
    the show several years ago and she confirmed that George was the
    inpsiration.  Putnam himself seems proud of the connection.

      - Philip

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    Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:41:57 -0400
    From: "Austotr" <austotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Tommy Dorsey Show

    G'Day folks,

    I was recently successful in purchasing 104 16" Transcriptions of the Tommy
    Dorsey Show.  Apparently there are 40+ complete shows and the rest partials
    (2 Transcriptions per show).

    Has somebody logged the various series Tommy Dorsey was involved in?  These
    Transcriptions are copies made for broadcast in Australia and I wanted to
    try and identify the original shows.  My understanding from feedback I have
    received is that not many of the Tommy Dorsey Show are in circulation.

    Ian Grieve

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    Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:42:33 -0400
    From: <fc90030@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Victor Moore

    Al Girade asks about Victor Moore.
    First off let me suggest to anyone unfamiliar with this great old
    performer that they ought to simply, "Google," or, "Dogpile," his
    name.
    Second, one could view a couple of great old movies like, "The
    Seven Year Itch," or "Swing Time."  Yes, he brought his marvelous
    talents to films where super-stars like Fred Astaire and Ginger
    Rogers and Marilyn Monroe got top billing but he got the biggest
    laughs.
    Third, track down the Smithsonian's rare recordings of the original
    broadway cast albums of, "Anything Goes," or, "Of Thee I Sing."
    Yes, Cole Porter and George Gershwin both wrote some of their
    funniest material for him to introduce to the world.
    And above all enjoy the talents of a wistfully delightful little guy
    named, Victor Moore.

    Frank Coopersmith

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    Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 00:58:07 -0400
    From: "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK

    Hi friends,

    	Here is this week's line-up for the week of 7-11-04 on my Olde Tyme
    Radio
    [removed] Featuring Tom Heathwood's "Heritage Radio Theatre," Big John
    Matthews and Steve Urbaniak's "The Glowing Dial" and my own "Same Time, Same
    Station" broadcasts, being broadcast on demand 24/7 in high quality
    streaming RealAudio at [removed]

    Past archived broadcasts are also available there.

    We look forward to having you join us!

    	Jerry

    Here's this week's lineup:

    SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges

    RAMONA AND HER MIGHTY MINIATURE MINSTRELS
    Episode 1  1-21-45
    MUTUAL   SUSTAINED  Sundays 10:15 - 10:30pm
    STARS: Ramona
    WITH: Jerry, Eddie and Joan
    ANNOUNCER/JOKE TELLER: Don Frederick

    THE YOUNG IN HEART
    Audition Show  12-4-47  "Treasure Island"
    Stars: Marvin Miller, Jerry Farber, Harry Lang, Ken Christie, Paul Mc Vey
    CBS   SUSTAINED
    HOST: Alan Reed
    PRODUCER/DIRECTOR/ADAPTOR: Ralph Rose

    CRIMINAL AT LARGE
    Audition Show   9-11-47  "Murder In Stone
    Announcer/Narrator: Ken Carpenter
    "Find the Criminal and Win a Thousand Dollars."

    PHILCO RADIO TIME
    Episode 19   2-19-47 (recorded 2-4-47) UNEDITED and UNCUT version
    Stars: Bing Crosby
    Guests: Judy Garland, William Frawley and Director Leo McCarey
    =======================================

    HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood

    LIFE WITH LUIGI
    CBS    2-20-49   "Luigi Has a Cold"
    Stars: J. Carrol Naish and Teddy Bergman

    MURDER AT MIDNIGHT
    Syndicated    1946-47 (Encore 1950)   "The Ape Song"
    Stars: Raymond Edward Johnson

    FIBBER McGEE & MOLLY
    NBC    10-16-53   "The Executive Club"
    ======================================

    THE GLOWING DIAL with Big John Matthews and Steve Urbaniak

    The Adventures of the Falcon - "The Case of the Careless Client"
    originally aired October 15, 1950 on NBC
    Starring: Les Damon, Ed Herlihy announcing.
    Sponsor: Kraft Foods Company

    The Adventures of Sam Spade, Detective - "The Hot Hundred Grand Caper"
    originally aired September 19, 1948 on CBS
    Starring: Howard Duff, Lurene Tuttle, John McIntyre, June Havoc, Joseph
    Kearns,
    Wally Maher, Dick Joy announcing.
    Sponsor: Wild Root Creme Oil Hair Tonic

    Nick Carter, Master Detective - "The Make-Believe Murder"
    originally aired July 22, 1945 on MUTUAL
    Starring: Lon Clark, Charlotte Manson, Ed Latimer, Ken Powell announcing.
    Sponsor: Lin-X Home Brighteners

    The Adventures of Philip Marlowe - "The Black Halo"
    originally aired January 15, 1949 on CBS
    Starring: Gerald Mohr, Joan Banks, Jeff Corey, Paul Frees, Peter Leeds, Jack
    Kruschen,
    Lois Corbet, Roy Rowan announcing.
    Sustained

    Richard Diamond, Private Detective - "The Betty Moran Case"
    originally aired May 29, 1949 on NBC
    Starring: Dick Powell, Virginia Gregg, Ed Begley, Wilms Herbert, Jack
    Petruzzi, Herbert Butterfield,
    Tol Avery, Eddie King announcing.
    Writer: Blake Edwards
    Sustained
    ====================================

    Please feel free to contact me with any questions or requests for upcoming
    shows.

                Jerry Haendiges CET <Jerry@[removed]; 562-696-4387

      [removed]  The Vintage Radio Place
      Largest source of OTR Logs, Articles and programs on the Net

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    Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 01:40:12 -0400
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Big Bands

    George Keilback posted

>     One thing that I noticed is the lack of sites to go to in regard to Big
>     Band Music. At least I have not come across them as yet. I may be younger
>     but I do appreciate Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw and bands like
>     them.

    I'd recommend David Miller's "Swinging Down The Lane" website at
    [removed]
    Lots of good information and conversation on it and no membership is required.

    George Aust

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    Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:01:16 -0400
    From: "Matthew Bullis" <matthewbullis@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  A check for a short beer?

    Hello, anyone know what this phrase means from Fibber McGee and Molly?
    Thanks a lot.
    Matthew

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    Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:01:25 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  7-25 births/deaths

    July 25th births

    07-25-1894 - Walter Brennan - Swampscott, MA - d. 9-21-1974
    actor: Grandpa Vanderhof "You Can't Take it with You"; Judge Roy Bean "Law
    West of the Pecos"
    07-25-1899 - Ralph Dumke - South Bend, IN - d. 1-4-1964
    actor: Willie Tompkins "We, the Abbotts"; Pat Plenty "Quality Twins"
    07-25-1900 - Al Pearce - San Francisco, CA - d. 6-2-1961
    comedian: Elmer Blurt "Here Comes Elmer"; "Al Pearce Show"
    07-25-1905 - Harold Peary - San Leandero, CA - d. 3-30-1985
    actor: Throckmorton P. Gildersleeve , "Fibber McGee and Molly and The Great
    Gildersleeve"
    07-25-1907 - Jack Gilford - NYC - d. 6-4-1990
    comedian: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
    07-25-1918 - Nan Grey - Houston, TX - d. 7-25-1993
    actress: Kathy Marshall "Those We Love"

    July 25th deaths

    03-30-1893 - Dennis Hoey - London, England - d. 7-25-1960
    actor: Edward Welby "Pretty Kitty Kelly"
    04-26-1912 - John McGovern - d. 7-25-1985
    actor: Mike Gallagher "Highway Patrol"; Harold Wilkinson "The O'Neills"
    04-29-1912 - Ian Martin - Glasgow, Scotland - d. 7-25-1981
    actor: Horace Sutton "Young Dr. Malone"; Harry Archer "Meet Corliss Archer"
    05-31-1903 - Blanche Stewart - PA - d. 7-25-1952
    actress: Brenda "Bob Hope Show"
    07-25-1918 - Nan Grey - Houston, TX - d. 7-25-1993
    actress: Kathy Marshall "Those We Love"
    08-16-1932 - Marianne Moylan - Southampten, NY - d. 7-25-1990
    singer: (The Moylan Sisters) (Angels of the Airwaves) "Moylan Sisters"
    10-07-1914 - Alfred Drake - The Bronx, NY - d. 7-25-1992
    singer: "Best Plays"; Broadway Matinee"; "Ford Festival of American Music"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:02:54 -0400
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:"Lawremce" Albert

    Their was a posting yesterday from "Lawrence" Albert. Is that the same
    Albert who, before he got snooty, called himself "Larry".

    I once knew a "Larry" Albert. A super nice guy, (but terribly mixed up
    politically). He happened to be a former military man, so that made him a
    hero in my eye. He' also a very talented contemporary radio actor. Anyway,
    this individual "Lawrence" Albert, just posted a comment of two about the
    dreaded "Page Turning" thread.

>     However it also causes me to wonder if such in depth discussion of such
>     minutia is healthy.

    It's funny you should mention that. My psychiatrist said the same thing. he
    told me he wouldn't remove my restraints (straight jacket) unless I promised
    to shut the hell up about it. Off the [removed](momentarily). has the term
    "Straight Jacket" become politically incorrect?  Has the Gay community
    organized a protest march to get the Government to create an equal
    opportunity term.

    Anyway, I find this Albert guy's posting very enlightening. (Primarily
    because he agrees with me 100%.) Way to go, Lawrence. He goes on to say:

>     the actors we use on Imagination Theater are all professionals, they make
>     their respective livings as actors or voice over talent, and members of AFTRA
>     and we have never had anyone who dropped their pages. That is until last
>     week.

    Their are always exceptions to the rules. But it's interesting to note,
    (perhaps only to me) that the exceptions are the ones that I already
    outlined in my prior posts.

>     last week one of our folks decided he just couldn't lift the top page off
>     and place it underneath with out either making noise or losing his place in
>     the script.

    Lack of Manual dexterity looms it's ugly head. Plus lack of practice to
    perfect the technique.

>     so his decision was to place each page on the floor. This actor stands
>     6'8" and it was understandably something of a comical sight to see him drop
>     all the way down just to place the page as quietly as possible on the deck
>     and
>     then bounce back up to his full height to say his next line.

    Someone should have stepped on his necktie when he was in the "stooped"
    position, then see the fun begin. Is Imagination Theatre planning to use him
    again?

>     (SNIP) >I will also state that if the actor had dropped his script pages I
>     would have stopped him from continuing to do so.

    My hero! What method would you have used? A Karate chop alongside the head?
    Or a kick to the nether regions? :)

>     Not only would the sound have been picked up by the Mic but it's just plain
>     sloppy.

    I knew I liked members of the Albert family. [removed] [removed] Makes no
    nevermind. They are both brilliant.

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

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    Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 12:03:10 -0400
    From: "corganoid@[removed]" <corganoid@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  More Benny

    Greetings all,

    All the discussion about Jack Benny lately got me thinking about a qestion
    I've had for a long time, but never thought to ask.

    In the opening of some of the later Lucky Strike programs there is an
    announcer who says "[removed]"  We all know what that means, but between
    the lines we hear what sounds like some kind of mechanical device clicking.

    So, pardon me if this sounds idiotic, but what is that sound suposed to
    represent and how is it relevant to Lucky Strike being fine tobacco?

    Peace,
    Doug

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