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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2008 : Issue 197
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
8-14 births/deaths [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
Tonto's guns [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
Mistakes on Radio [ <georgewagner@[removed]; ]
OTR reference/source [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
lost radio show recrations [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
Another obscure reference [ Default <swl2010@[removed]; ]
Hear! Hear! [ Michael Hayde <mikeh0714@[removed]; ]
Tune into Yesterday newsletter [ Graeme Stevenson <graemeotr@[removed] ]
OTR 'bibles' [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
[removed] [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
Science Fiction and horror marathon [ JJLjackson@[removed] ]
Indiana University - Bloomington [ <vzeo0hfk@[removed]; ]
Various follow-ups [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
Chicken Heart [ James Meadows <walthamus@[removed]; ]
OTR Resources [ ilamfan@[removed] (S Jansen) ]
The chicken heart of darkness [ "Pamela K. Gitta" <wjmtv@[removed] ]
lost insert to naming shows on reel [ EDWARD CARR <edcarr@[removed]; ]
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:04:03 -0400
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 8-14 births/deaths
August 14th births
08-14-1863 - Ernest Lawrence Thayer - Lawrence, MA - d. 8-21-1940
author: "Favorite Story"
08-14-1867 - John Galsworthy - Kingston Hill, Surrey, England - d.
1-31-1933
author: Several of his works adapted for radio
08-14-1870 - Harry Lauder - Edinburgh, Scotland - d. 2-26-1950
singer: "Sir Harry Lauder"; "The Fourth Christmas"
08-14-1879 - Edna Fisher - NB - d. 4-23-1978
actor: "The Al Pearce Show"
08-14-1889 - Robert Woolsey - Oakland, CA - d. 10-31-1938
actor: "Hollywood Hotel"
08-14-1893 - Carl Benton Reid - Lansing, MI - d. 3-16-1973
actor: Roger Allen "Big Sister"
08-14-1897 - Lal Chand Mehra - Amritsar, India - d. 10-21-1980
actor: "I Love A Mystery"; "I Love Adventure"
08-14-1902 - Harriet Allyn - d. 9-xx-1998
actor: Aggie Horn "In the Case of Aggie Horn"
08-14-1903 - Millard Mitchell - Havana, Cuba - d. 10-13-1953
actor: Casey "Mighty Casey"
08-14-1909 - Ed Herlihy - Dorchester, MA - d. 1-30-1999
announcer: "Advs. of the Thin Man"; "Just Plain Bill"; "Vic and Sade"
08-14-1909 - Frank Papp - d. 5-27-1996
director: "The Bartons"; "Words at War"; "Right to Happiness";
"Eternal Light"
08-14-1911 - Ken Nordine - Chicago, IL - d. 9-15-1993
announcer: "Armstrong of the SBI"; "The Breakfast Club"
08-14-1913 - Ferrucio Tagliavini - Reggio Emilia, Italy - d. 1-28-1995
lyric tenor: "Encores from the Bell Telephone Hour"
08-14-1914 - Alyce King - Payson, UT - d. 8-21-1996
singer: (The King Sisters) "Horace Heidt and His Brigadiers"; "Al
Pearce and His Gang"
08-14-1914 - Andrea Leeds - Butte, MT - d. 5-21-1984
actor: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
08-14-1914 - Bill Downs - Kansas City, MO - d. 5-3-1978
newscaster: CBS Moscow 1942
08-14-1917 - Marty Glickman - NYC - d. 1-3-2001
sprorts broadcaster: "Saturday Night Bandwagon"; "Play Ball"; "Box
Score Review"
08-14-1919 - Nehemiah Persoff - Jerusalem, Palestine
actor: "Hollywood Radio Theatre
08-14-1921 - Cobina Wright, Jr. - NYC
actor: "Your Blind Date"
08-14-1926 - Alice Ghostly - Eve, MO - d. 9-21-2007
actor: "Theatre Five"
August 14th deaths
01-07-1930 - Douglas Kiker - Griffin, KS - d. 8-14-1991
nbc newsman: "Meet the Press"
01-11-1910 - Gene Baker - Portland, OR - d. 8-14-1981
announcer: "Lum and Abner"; "Queen for a Day"
02-15-1899 - Gale Sondergaard - Litchfield, MN - d. 8-14-1985
actor: "Columbia Presents Corwin"
03-04-1888 - David Frederick Smith - Clarksburg, IN - d. 8-14-1976
early radio broadcaster: Creator of "March of Time"
03-18-1911 - Deane Kincaide - Houston, TX - d. 8-14-1992
saxophonist: "The Bob Crosby Show"
05-11-1922 - Eve Boswell - Budapest, Hungary - d. 8-14-1998
singer: "The Eve Bosewell Show"
06-22-1909 - Milton Kaye - Brooklyn, NY - d. 8-14-2006
pianist/arranger: "Roger Kilgore, Public Defender"; "Under Arrest"
06-25-1895 - Donald Gallagher - Quincy, IL - d. 8-14-1961
actor: P. Wallace Carver "Houseboat Hannah"; Humble Dickinson "Joan
and Kermit"
07-07-1917 - Doris Dudley - NYC - d. 8-14-1985
actor: Peggy Meek "Meet Mr. Meek"
07-23-1918 - Pee Wee Reese - Ekron, KY - d. 8-14-1999
baseball great: "Play Ball"; "Box Score Review"; "Feature Project:
This Game of Baseball"
07-27-1914 - Ira Avery - Albany, NY - d. 8-14-1984
director: "We Came This Way"; "Eternal Light"
08-24-1900 - Ralph Kirbery - Patterson, NJ - d. 8-14-1993
singer: (The Dream Singer) "Mohawk Treasure Chest"; "Musical Moments
Revue"
09-13-1894 - J. B. Priestley - Bradford, Yorkshire, England - d.
8-14-1984
dramatist: "London After Dark"; "Studio One"; "NBC University Theatre"
09-16-1903 - Joe Venuti - Lecco, Italy - d. 8-14-1978
jazz violinist: "Friendly Five Footnotes";"Paul Whiteman Show";
"Jubilee"
09-26-1914 - Dora McCann - d. 8-14-1975
host: "McCann Pure Food Hour"
11-29-1915 - J. G. Weightman - Callerton, Englans - d. 8-14-2004
translator and announcer in French for the BBC
12-01-1920 - Mary Wells - Omaha, NE - d. 8-14-2000
actor: "John Steele, Adventurer"
12-21-1913 - Louise King - Salt Lake City, UT - d. 8-14-1997
singer (The King Sisters) "Horace Heidt and His Brigadiers"; "Al
Pearce and His Gang"
12-27-1906 - Oscar Levant - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 8-14-1972
panelist, pianist: "Information, Please"; "Kraft Music Hall"
xx-xx-1920 - Edwin Cooper - d. 8-14-1961
announcer, actor: "The Milt Herth Trio"; "RFD America"
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:04:08 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Tonto's guns
This occurred to me last night, while watching a DVD of Lone Ranger
TV episodes: We know the LR used silver bullets. But what about
Tonto? Did they make separate lead bullets for Tonto? Or were
enough silver bullets made for both of them?
--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax [removed]
Boston, MA 02109-2004 [removed]
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:04:16 -0400
From: <georgewagner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Mistakes on Radio
There are an ungodly number of mistakes on the "Singles and Doubles" OTR
collections at [removed]
For just one example out of dozens what is clearly identified as a 1928
broadcast fragment from the EVEREADY HOUR (the only surviving such) turns out
to be an episode of Art Linkletter's HOUSE PARTY from 1949!
This is a great OTR project and I don't mean to criticize, but there
seems no mechanism in place to correct these glaring errors.
Sincerely,
George Wagner
georgewagner@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:04:32 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: OTR reference/source
Peter Boe asked:
What is generally considered to be THE definitive resource for OTR programs
and other information about the genre?
This is probably not going to be the answer Peter is going to want to hear,
but it's the truth. The answer is: There is no definitive resource. I have
yet to see any book that isn't overlooking some radio program that circulates
in recorded form. Information about various radio programs is always being
unearthed and uncovered. Jay Hickerson's book ULTIMATE GUIDE is extensive,
but every year he offers a supplement to add to the publication.
While many people are going to chime in, the best way to have a "definitive
resource" is to possess (own) many books about old-time radio. There are
publications more comprehensive than others, and some that focus on certain
aspects and programs. But a huge bookshelf with the top reference guides
available is the closest you'll come. I could make a list of a dozen
recommendations from a researcher's point of view (Dunning's ON THE AIR and
Jay Hickerson's ULTIMATE GUIDE are the top two on the list), but the opinion
above still holds. There will always be new books published about OTR that
require a must-have status and there will never be a one-stop source for
everything about OTR. With 400 plus reference guides on my shelf, a dozen
unpublished guides, CD-Roms, digital files and materials copied from archives
across the country, there are shows that still elude me.
Martin Grams Jr.
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:04:44 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: lost radio show recrations
Derek Tague stated:
BTW, I would like to say that that IMHO, I wish more re-creation groups
would perform more "lost" shows at OTR conventions and showcases. Many OTR
fans have the savvy and werewithal of tracking down an episode where the
audio exists should he/she take a liking to an "audio-transcribed" episode
that's presented. Give the conventioneer something he/she cannot get at home
or over the Internet.
I'd like to add that I personally have had the same opinion for years. I once
attended a convention where they were doing a GREEN HORNET episode and five
minuets into the drama, I thought to myself, "Hey, I've heard this story
before." And I even recounted the solution to the case before the crime was
even committed. I love recreations, honestly. I dislike hearing productions -
professional or amateur - that are scripts I heard in recorded form previous.
I once sent Joy Jackson a stack of scripts for REPS a few years back so they
could perform "lost" episodes. I have publicly offered to make copies of
scripts of "lost" episodes of shows for anyone wanting to do similar
productions - even for high school and college performances.
Don Ramlow directs radio recreations at the Mid-Atlantic Nostalgia Convention
ever year and we have discussed this many times. He is also in agreement -
recreating "lost" shows is a must - and which is why every year we do
recreations of lost shows (this year it's the 1937 broadcast of "Pyramid"
from LIGHTS OUT). And i'd like to close by stating that while I attend over
half a dozen dinners a year at various conventions that hold radio
recreations, the dinners I do not attend are generally those performing
scripts I've already heard. I am certain, while a few people will disagree
for their own reasons, the majority of the people paying ticket prices prefer
to hear something new. If I want to hear the same "Sam Crow" episode of HAVE
GUN - WILL TRAVEL for the fourth time (yep, I heard the same script performed
at three different conventions), I'll listen to the CD at home before paying
$45 for a dinner ticket. The offer of copying scripts for "lost" shows is -
and always will be - open at no cost to anyone wanting to perform a "lost"
episode.
Martin
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:05:08 -0400
From: Default <swl2010@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Another obscure reference
"Message from Reuters" referes to news dispatches from the Reuters news
service. Back in the day when the telegraph was first built in Europe
Julius Reuters began to use it to send news reports to Berlin and
London. He also used carrier pidgeons in areas where there were no
telegraph lines. Both became knowh as a "message" or "dispatch" from
Reuters. These likely became very important during WWII and the term
took on the life as a catch phrase in the states.
Whiteman may also be referring to the 1940 movie "Dispath from Reuters"
with Edward G. Robinson which depicted the story related above of Julius
Reuters.
Someone add more or make corrections.
D. Raff
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:05:36 -0400
From: Michael Hayde <mikeh0714@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Hear! Hear!
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The Voice from the Ether, my buddy Derek Tague, wrote:
I wish more re-creation groups would perform more "lost"
shows at OTR conventions and showcases. Give the
conventioneer something he/she cannot get at home or over
the Internet.
Amen. Jack Webb's script for the very first DRAGNET, a broadcast
that is seemingly lost, is in UCLA's Special Collections department.
Photocopying is probably out of the question, but a decent typist
with a laptop could easily get it done in an afternoon. What a
treasure that would be!
Michael
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:05:40 -0400
From: Graeme Stevenson <graemeotr@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Tune into Yesterday newsletter
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Readers of the OTR Digest in the UK might be interested to know that the
latest edition of the Tune into Yesterday newsletter is now available from the
Old Time Radio Show Collectors Association. Articles in the new edition
include the BBC's subterranean studios in the 2nd World War,
theB 'Reichssdeutscher Mundarten' discs from Germany in 1937, and a special
supplement about the post-war radio scene in [removed]
Each edition costs one pound and fifty pence, and annual membership of ORCA in
the UK is six pounds. Outside the UK membership is ten [removed] Members also
have access to the clubs lending library of OTR programmes on CD, mp3 cd, and
[removed]
Membership Sec is: John Wolstenholme, PO Box 1922, Dronfield, S18B 8XA,
England
B
Graeme StevensonB Editor: Tune into Yesterday newsletterB ORCA / UK
Send
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:06:08 -0400
From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: OTR 'bibles'
In my opinion there are two "bibles" for OTR collectors and traders.
One is the Dunning work that you have, in the most recent edition, and
the other [removed]
Jay Hickerson's Ultimate history of network radio programming and guide
to all circulating shows, 3rd edition. And supplements.
Ted Kneebone. 1528 S. Grant St., Aberdeen, SD 57401
Phone: 605-226-3344. Email: tkneebone1@[removed]
OTR: [removed]
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:06:29 -0400
From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: [removed]
Derek wrote about re-creations of lost episodes of old radio shows at
conventions. For those of us who are out in the sticks, going to
conventions is pretty costly. And they are seldom anywhere near our towns.
Maybe the convention planners could make available to the non-attenders
these shows on cassette or CD. In fact, I have a hunch that most of these
re-creations have been recorded. How about someone producing a catalog of
the shows, giving addresses of the owners, notes on availability, [removed]
Ted Kneebone. 1528 S. Grant St., Aberdeen, SD 57401
Phone: 605-226-3344. Email: tkneebone1@[removed]
OTR: [removed]
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:06:45 -0400
From: JJLjackson@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Science Fiction and horror marathon
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Journeys in Time and Space: 24 hours of Science Fiction and Horror
On August 23-24, we will dip our fingers into the time stream and listen to
X Minus One, Dimension X, Suspense and others from the days of 1950s radio.
Then webll hitch a ride with our favorite Earthman, Arthur Dent, as he
explores
the galaxy, and spend some time at Midnight on Alien Worlds. Webll visit a
future New York and a steam-age Arthur Conan Doyle story bWhen the world
screamedb. Stories originally written by Ray Bradbury, Robert Sheckley,
Charles
Chilton, CM Kornbluth, Frederik Pohl, and John Wyndham. Thatbs a just a
sampling. Join us as we take a stroll down to the spaceport.
August 23 and 24, 2008 12 noon Eastern (9 am Pacific) to Midnight Eastern (9
pm Pacific) at [removed].
30000000007 )
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:06:51 -0400
From: <vzeo0hfk@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Indiana University - Bloomington
I would like to hire someone in Bloomington Indiana to find some OTR
material. Is there anyone on this list in Bloomington?
Howard Blue Khovard@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:07:00 -0400
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Various follow-ups
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Newcomer Peter Boe queried:
What is generally considered to be THE definitive resource for OTR programs
and other information about the genre?
Yes, a definitive resource DOES exist ... and their names are "Larry and John
Gassman," twin brothers on the West Coast OTR scene (and personal friends of
Stan Freberg) who are walking OTR encyclopaedias. However, I don't think the
Gassman Brothers are for sale, and I'm thinking Peter is referring to a
reference BOOK. I'd say both the Dunning's (1976's "Tune In Yesterday" and
1998's "On the Air") are collectively the best one-stop shop. The seminal
work "The Big Broadcast" by Messrs. Buxton and Owen was excellent for when it
was first published in 1972, but its limitations are quite conspicuous. Jay
Hickerson's "Ultimate Guide" is a comprehensive compendium of what OTR
programmes exist, but it's sparse if one desires Dunning-style descriptive
entries describing the show(s) in question.
About a "Burns and Allen" reference to Paul Whiteman's comment re: "a message
from Reuters":
"Message from Reuters" was a 1940s movie starring Edward G. Robinson.
Hope this helps.
Derek Tague
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:07:06 -0400
From: James Meadows <walthamus@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Chicken Heart
If you're looking for it, Bill Cosby's "Chicken Heart" routine is on his
album "Wonderfulness", available on CD through Amazon. As far as I can tell,
it does not appear on any "greatest hits" collections.
Jim Meadows
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:07:15 -0400
From: ilamfan@[removed] (S Jansen)
To: [removed]@[removed] (OTR Bulletin Board)
Subject: OTR Resources
A few of my favorite OTR resources (besides THIS list):
Books:
"Encyclopedia Of Old Time Radio" John Dunning
"Ultimate History Of Network Radio Programming And Guide To ALL Circulating
Shows" Jay Hickerson
"Sci-Fi Guy Catalog" Gordon Payton (last release, 2002)
Websites:
Radio Listings: [removed]
Database of Stars and Shows: [removed]
Huge Bunch of OTR Stuff: [removed]
Shows:
The BEST sounding OTR anywhere: [removed]
Freebies: [removed]
More Freebies: [removed]
And just about anything written by Eric Barnouw, Jim Cox, Martin Grams,
Michael Biel, Elizabeth McCleod, or Jack French.
Stephen Jansen
--
Old Time Radio never dies - it just changes formats!
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:07:59 -0400
From: "Pamela K. Gitta" <wjmtv@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The chicken heart of darkness
All his broadcasts are kept intact in a special cabinet with the proviso
that none of the shows be released.
And that includes Chicken Heart.
WHY ON EARTH would he do that? Shades of Jane Austen! Was there some kind of
legal mumbo-jumbo going on at the time of his death?
Pam
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:08:04 -0400
From: EDWARD CARR <edcarr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: lost insert to naming shows on reel
hi, anyone out there help me on this?, lost the insert
I've come
across a few shows that begin with "Your about to hear a story".... and then
a 1/2 hour dramatization of a wartime event (Usually a ship sinking in WWII)
is depicted. I can't find the name of the show anyplace in these dramas.
It's not mentioned by an announcer at the start or end and the shows are
unsponsored and their is no formal recognizable announcer. The drama just
starts and ends each time. Do you know what these shows are, or their formal
title?
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