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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 416


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 For the [removed]
	 Comparative talent
	 Fwd: Details, details, details
	 More OTR in Chicago, Fatman, Young Listeners
	 Moe on Phil Harris
	 Re:  [removed] Digest V95 #414
	 comments
	 The Lone Ranger, midgets and maybe other stuff
	 1950's Babies and OTR
	 ADMINISTRIVIA: DNS not found
	 Re: cohen owes me $97
	  help cataloging programs needed please

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 02:28:47 -0600 (CST)
From: William Pfeiffer <rrb@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed] (Old Time Radio)
Subject: For the [removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Again,	this may be old news to some, but if you are a DXer and want
instant *FREE* online access to surf the FCC's database for FM or AM,
and get back a formatted page with city, state/province, call letters,
power and antenna information.  Netscape [removed] enhanced but should work
fine on all other major browsers including lynx.

Click on the call letter and get a map showing transmitter location
(the lower 48 states only, no Canadian maps, sorry).

For non-commercial use only.  The FCC forbids commercial use of this
material.

The URL is [removed]~[removed]

Please tell me how you like it.

Bill

--
 
     William Pfeiffer - Moderator [removed] - Airwaves
   wdp@[removed]  *  airwaves@[removed]  * rrb@[removed]
                 Web: [removed]~rrb/
      "Position Wanted: Web Page Design.   F/T, P/T or Freelance"
 
 

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Date: 26 Nov 95 14:43:55 EST
From: Joel  Senter <[removed]@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <otr@[removed]>
Subject: Comparative talent
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Right, Kubelski!  Nice to see someone with a steady hand and tolerant
attitude talk about comparative talent in the broadcast medium.  As a
retired school teacher I have heard the admonition, "Those who can, do;
those who can't, teach."  (There are certain extensions of this old
saying which include, "Those who can't teach, do research on teaching.")
 As an extension of this sort of thing, I have also heard, "Those who
can't act become directors"  and we might extend that into "Those without
talent become talent critics."  Thanks for your thoughtful and pacific
comments.  Joel Senter

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 95 14:49:42 -0500
From: "MACHARG, KEN" <kmacharg@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Fwd: Details, details, details
Message-ID: <C1C4B8300156ACD1@[removed]>

******************* Start of Forwarded Message *****************
Carl Amari worked at), Allen Rockford in northern New York state,  WRVA
Radio in NYC, Warren Pierce in Detroit, Bob Lynes on the west coast,

******************* End of Forwarded Message *******************

Small point, WRVA is in Richmond, Virginia. --Ken MacHarg

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 15:30:02 -0500
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: More OTR in Chicago, Fatman, Young Listeners
Message-ID: <951126153000_34442753@[removed]>

Hi Gang -               Sunday - November 26 - 1995 -- 2PM cst 

In case you didn't already discover this, please be advised that there
is MORE Old Time Radio in Chicago.  Carl Amari himself is doing a 2 hour
program on Sunday Nights - From 10 PM to Midnight on WMAQ 670 AM.  

I discovered this last week, but tuned in late.  Apparently the format
is a combination of an Interview and OTR shows.  For example: 

Last week Carl interviewed Richard Crenna.  They talked about Richard's
work on "Our Miss Brooks".  Then Carl played an "Our Miss Brooks" program.
The interview continued with them talking about Richard on "Suspense".
Carl then played a "Suspense" program that starred Richard Crenna. 
The last part of the interview was in regard to "The Great Gildersleeve", 
where Richard played the part of Bronco Thompson, and then "Gildersleeve"
was played.

I talked to a couple of my friends in the Chicago area about this format.
Some liked it, some thought it would have been better if the interview
was "uninterrupted" to preserve continuity.  Tune in on Sunday nights and
see what you think.  

This Sunday program is new.  I don't know if Carl will continue doing this
program or there are other plans for this time slot.  Right now "When 
Radio Was" is heard Monday thru Friday at 11 PM.  Saturday night is the 
only night there is no OTR on WMAQ. 


----  New Topic  ---   The Fatman Discs  ----

I, too, wrote to "ir002126" regarding the Fatman discs.  I sent my e-mail
within hours of his posting.  Thus far I have received no reply.  His 
posting appears to be in earnest, and I certainly hope he answers one of
us who will make all of these shows available to the hobby.  I have an ET 
player and facilities to make tapes and cassettes from the discs, so if I
get access to the discs (if only to borrow them), you can be certain the 
shows will be circulated among us. 

----- Last Topic -----  Young Listeners  ----

My telephone is answered by "The Shadow" when I'm not here.  A thirteen-
year-old left a message.  When I returned his call, he commented about
the Shadow.  I remarked that it was surprising that he should know about 
the Shadow radio program.  He said he received a birthday present of a
Shadow cassette and that's how he was introduced to Old Time Radio.  He 
also said he played the cassette so many times it won't play any more (?).
It's nice to know that people born in 1982 can appreciate OTR. 

Happy Taping -  Ken Piletic -- Streamwood, Illinois
kenpiletic@[removed] 

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 12:31:48 -0800
From: davidrj@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Moe on Phil Harris
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Lots of interesting notes lately regarding what the real Phil Harris may have 
been like.
Someone should get to his wife, Alice Faye. What stories she must have!
Also, I highly recommend the edition of TV's "This Is Your Life" that honored 
Phil. It's a delight, and American Movie Classics on cable showed it several 
times along with others in the past year or so. They've discontinued the series, 
but maybe enough requests could get them to resume it.
Anyway, on the show honoring Phil, the supposed hard-drinking, tough-talking 
guy, he cried almost all the way through the 30 minutes. Everytime an old friend 
or relative showed up, and often while stories about him were being recalled. 
Talk about your sensitive guy!
Dave Jewett, Vancouver, WA

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 95 12:45:17 PST
From: seh@[removed] (Stan Harter)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:  [removed] Digest V95 #414
Message-Id: <m0tJnrU-000YaeC@[removed]>

I posted a few of the favorable OTR messages re the GE radio  to another
forum. It elicited the following message. By the way, I've received about
two dozen "Where can I buy one?" messages. I've told them, that to best
of my recollection, the "GE Superradio" thread said Target and maybe
Walmart? Please give me input if I'm wrong. Now, here's the whole message
if anyone's interested to replying DIRECT to the originator.

-0-

Sender: nets@[removed]
Precedence: bulk
>From: padgett@[removed] (A. Padgett Peterson, [removed] Information Securit
y)
To: Multiple recipients of list <nets@[removed]>
Subject: RE: The [removed] Super Radio
X-Listprocessor-Version: [removed] -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
Status: RO
 
Sorry but I cannot help myself - the Zenith D7000Y or R-7000 will out pull
any AM radio and if you really want to be silly, has provision for running
a longwire. I used to get California from both Florida and New Hampshire.
 
True, the TransOceanic has not been made since 1982 but can often be found
for under U$100. Does use nine D cells but either also has shortwave and
weather bands. Both have narrow/wide bandwidth selection.
 
                                        Warmly,
                                                Padgett
 

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 15:44:48 -0500 (EST)
From: donmoore@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: comments
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

     Seeing the post that NBC will be airing the Jack Benny
special at 10:00 [removed] next friday, makes you wonder why they
can't show it earlier in the evening.  That way, kids might see
wholesome entertainment rather than the crap they get to watch.

     Re Real Talk radio.  I heard a demonstration of it on the
current Playback Underground.  An example of a good idea poorly
executed.  in addition to the other opinions stated previously,
the sensitivity apparently stinks, and for those of us who need
to worry about such thinks, you apparently need good vision to
set the clock.

     In that same vain, I do appreciate the text option on this
and other otr web cites.  Most gui speech access is inconsistent
at best.

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 15:40:04 EST
From: VULM45A@[removed] ( ROBERT W PAINE)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: The Lone Ranger, midgets and maybe other stuff
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Robert Paine * [removed] #[removed] ] --

 The Lone Ranger was on the Mutual network and in syndication at the
same time. Syndication in this sense meaning first-run programs that
were sent to non-network stations. I recall seeing in issues of radio
magazine program listings TLR scheduled at different times than the
network feed.
 The following is paraphrased from David Rothel's book Who Was That
Masked Man? (page 83). While writing about Fran Striker, who would I
guess be considered the head writer, Mr. Rothel states that on November
27, 1933 the first sponsored broadcast went out over the Michigan Radio
Network. The program was picked up within two months by WGN, Chicago;
WOR, Newark (NJ); and WLW, Cincinnati. With WXYZ, Detroit, those
stations were the nucleus of the Mutual Broadcasting System, formally
organized in 1934.
 The program made it to the West Coast in 1937 and, in February 1938,
TLR "was first offered to stations in transcription form (on pre-
recorded disks). By 1939, the program could be heard on "140 stations
in and outside of the United States. Newfoundland, New Zealand, Hawaii
and Ontario were among those outside the United States to first listen
to 'The Lone Ranger" adventures." 
 
 Next up: Midgets.  I agree with elements of many of the posts
concerning Jack Benny and Kelsey Grammar. I believe, however, that the
Jack Benny special, hosted by Mr. Grammar, was intended as one person's
tribute to the man who had a significant effect on the latter's career.
By his own admission Mr. Grammar is a big fan of Jack Benny and the
impression I got was that if he was comparing himself to Benny, it was
meant to be obvious that it was tongue-in-cheek. I don't believe he
seriously intended to place himself in the same league.
 Benny and Grammar are two entirely different commodities. I don't
think it's possible to compare the great radio stars with today's
performers. It's like the proverbial apples and oranges, or comparing
the 1927 Yankees and the 1962 Yankees. It's a whole different game. 
 The radio greats of yesterday were entertainers, while the current
crop of comedians, actors, etc. are performers. It's difficult to
explain how I differentiate between the two. When I welded in the
shipyard, one instructor said that there are welders and those who weld,
. The first is a craftsman, the second a technician. There are but a
few craftsmen left: George Burns, Bob Hope, Red Skelton, Milton Berle. 
 Those who disagree with this are certainly within the realm of
reasonability to do so, and I would not argue the point. There is no
right or wrong in the matter, just the vantage point from which we view
it. I contend that today's entertainment industry is a whole new
ballgame with new rules, many of which could never have been applied
when radio ruled the roost. Many of today's entertainers might not have
made it in radio, just as The Shadow is difficult to translate to the
visual medium. How many different images there must be when we hear Joe
Penner ask "Wanna buy a duck?" I don't think I'd wish to see that
successfully translated to a 24-inch screen.
 Well, enough of this mind-bending dissertation for now. After a less
than thrilling Saturday evening of faux-entertainment on the tube, I
long for a tape of Raymond Knight and the Cuckoo Hour. I've never heard
that show. Don't know if any recordings exist. I do know that I would
enjoy it more than the electronic pablum the nets offer (Home
Improvement exempted). 
 Remember, only thirty days until Christmas. See ya, Bob
( I'm doing my Christmas shopping at Robert Hall this year. I'm saving
on clothes for Christmas at Robert Hall this year. For quality and low
price and gifts for one and all. For the finest selection, the biggest
collection, Where America goes for family clothes, it's Robert Hall
this year.  If you have a recording of the original commercial, please
make a copy for me.)

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 18:25:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "Kathy O'Connell" <oconnell@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: 1950's Babies and OTR
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Well, I can't let this thread pass me [removed]
I was born in 1952.  I am part of the first generation of TV watchers, 
and television is my primary love.  But, unlike the less tolerant voices 
we've heard from on this list, I recognize and accept that taste is an 
individual thing.  
I grew up listening to references to otr around the house.  My father 
imitated Joe Penner (who I have still never heard), FDR, and many of the 
great voices of otr.  My parents and grandmother used to discuss their 
fond memories of old time radio.  My father brought home a copy of "The 
Pictorial History of Radio," which whetted my appetite for shows like 
"Myrt & Marge" and "Mr. First Nighter."
Also, please understand that many of the TV shows we "boomers" grew up on 
grew out of [removed] Benny, Gunsmoke, Burns & Allen.  The list goes 
on and on.  There is a connection between 1950's TV and otr that makes it 
natural that those of us born in the 50's would be curious about otr.  
Once you get a taste of the [removed], an addiction is born.

About Kelsey [removed]'s sad that longing for the past obscures any 
positive feeling that might occur around Grammer's abilities for some.  
Instead of
dismissing him as a "midget", celebrate the fact that Jack Benny 
influenced so [removed] watching any episode of "Frasier" will reveal 
that Kelsey Grammer's comedic ancestor is indeed Jack Benny.  I do, 
however, agree with the poster who wished that the Jack Benny tribute had 
no narrator at all.  This was one of the beauties of the recent "Beatles 
Anthology"---the folks who lived through it told the story.  
--------------
WELCOME MAX SCHMID!!  The major reason my addiction to otr grew was 
through Max Schmid and his "Golden Age of Radio" on WBAI in New York.  
For almost 20 years, Max has shared his vast knowledge (and excellent 
library) with listeners of WBAI.  Through management changes (and 
occasional harassment), a bouncing ball of a schedule, and the quirks of 
the New York Transit System, Max has provided a [removed], with 
commercials intact wherever possible.  [removed] is one of us folks born in 
the '50's who helps keep the hobby alive although he was born well past 
radio's "golden age."  Max is a welcome addition to this list.
--------------
Thanks to the folks who responded to my query re "Meet Corliss Archer."  
And it's good to know that I have Johnson's Wax to thank for "Fibber 
McGee & Molly."  Are there any other stories of how shows became 
available to collectors?

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 17:26:00 -0600
From: Lou Genco <lgenco@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA: DNS not found
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Some folks received a cryptic "DNS not found" error message when trying to
access my new WWW page.  The message means my new address has not propagated
to your local server as yet.  If you have TELNET, you can have fun checking
its status by doing the following:

whois [removed]       [should return the official InterNIC info about my
site]

ping [removed]        [checks to see if (1) your site has updated its
                          IP addresses with mine, and (2) if [removed]
                          is alive]

Lou
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WWW page on "Old Time Radio":                   [removed]
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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 18:44:55 -0500
From: Joelsiegel@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: cohen owes me $97
Message-ID: <951126184454_88952406@[removed]>

you're right, it has nothing to do with cohen on the telephone.
it's an early irving berlin song with a very funny lyric (the guy is on his
death-bed but how can he die [removed]"cohen owes [removed]"
berlin's early songs were very ethnic: jewish, italian, irish. you can spot
the genius even then.

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 95 21:04:49 PST
From: gcoppen@[removed]
To: "@[removed]":otr@[removed]
Subject:  help cataloging programs needed please
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

                                                 November 26th,95

I have been looking at the mess I have and trying to find a Shadow
program. I know I have it but cant lay my hands on [removed]
Has anyone got any idea how one should go about sorting these tapes
out. I have approx. 2500 to 3000, all in different boxes, comedy
mixed with mystery and just one dogs breakfast.
I thought of putting them in a book but what if I buy more, how do
I add that one to the list? Do you number yours? Boy what a mess.
I would be very grateful to anybody that wouldnt mind sharing their
secret with me. Thanks again.
     By the way---- Thanks for the mail Mr. Hiss

                               George Coppen
email me at gcoppen@[removed]

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