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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 12


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Proper storage of RTR
	 Shadow: Terror at Wolf's Head Knoll
	 Them Michigan Indians
	 Thom Bray / answer to the Shadow and other Orsonian questions
	 The way the BBC titles their programmes
	 Re: Anthony Boucher Again
	 Cassette label programs
	 Help Finding Logs
	 Information Please
	 Busted agora.
	 Adventures Of Jungle Jim, Casper The Friendly Ghost and Hearst Comics Weekly.
	 Shadow books
	 Hi Yo Silver!
	 Charles Herrold program

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:06:42 -0500
From: SeptSev@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Proper storage of RTR
Message-ID: <960109110610_110979679@[removed]>

What is the proper way to store RTR?  What does the term, "ends out" mean?

Regards,
[removed]

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 09:24:34 -0500
From: HET13@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Shadow: Terror at Wolf's Head Knoll
Message-ID: <960109092433_86501945@[removed]>

In response to the following quiry:
"Subject: The Shadow
Message-Id: <v01520d00ad1504c17af4@[[removed]]>

I've got a Shadow program titled The Terror at Wolfshead Knoll but don't
have a date for it. I checked the log on Mr. Genco's Website and that title
is not even listed. Could I have the wrong title? Any idea when it might
be?"

I have "Terry at Wolf's Head Knoll" listed for February 15, 1948.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 11:56:34 -0500
From: Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Them Michigan Indians
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

OK, let's do it again. As of right now the definitive biography of the Lone
Ranger has to be David Rothel's 1976 book "Who Was That Masked Man?". Mr.
Rothel interviewed many of the surviving (at that time) members of the LR
production team.

One of these people was Jim Jewell who directed the LR from the first
show broadcast until some time in 1938 when he lsft WXYZ. Mr. Jewell's
father-in-law, Charles Yeager operated a boy's camp at Mullett Lake in
Northern Michigan from 1911 until the early 40's. The camp was called, from
the first year, Camp Ke-mo-sah-bee. I don't think there should be much
confusion as to where the term originated. Where Mr. Yeager got it isn't
mentioned. It isn't Spanish and it may not be Indian but it most definitely
was a boy's camp and there is photographic evidence to prove it (page 44).
There is also a reprodeuction of a newspaper clipping announcing the demise
of the camp after 29 years of operation. The clipping does purport that
Ke-mo-sha-bee is an Indian word meaning "Trusty Scout" but it was printed
some years after the Ranger was on the air.

Jewell also claims that "Tonto" is a word from the language of a local
Indian tribe that lived near the site of the camp and meant "Wild One". It
found it's way onto the show becuase Jewell liked the sound of it.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 10:48:40 -0800
From: AndyBlatt@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Thom Bray / answer to the Shadow and other Orsonian questions
Message-ID: <960109104835_22031029@[removed]>

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Your Subject: Re: [removed] Digest V96 #11

In answer to TB regarding Orson Welles:
1)  The Shadow with Orson Welles aired for Blue Coal ("Blue Co-al") Sundays
530pm September 1937 to March 1938.  Not all broadcasts are available.  In
1938 15 Syndicated shows aired (all are available).  1938 was the year of the
famous/infamous War of the Worlds broadcast.  Apparently, after the hoopla of
that broadcast made him a star, the Shadow producers went looking for a
less-high-profile actor to play the Shadow.  They settled on Bill Johnstone.
2)  The Shadow is apparently NOT in the public domain.  
3)  Black Museum aired 52 weeks in 1952, syndicated and all episodes are
available.
4)  The Third Man; The Lives of Harry Lime and Harry Lime are all the same
show.  The program was originally a BBC offering; also aired 1952.  Actually
August 1951-August 1952; 52 episodes.

This information was obtained in consulting Jay Hickerson's Ultimate History
of Network Radio Programming as well as Tune in Yesterday by John Dunning.

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:10:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Dixon H Chandler <dchandle@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The way the BBC titles their programmes
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Dear knowledgable members of the list, particularly BBC fans and/or UK
citizens:  (howzat for an opening?)

I have a question about how the BBC titles their programmes.  

Here in the States, continuing series are indicated by a singular title,
for example, _The Hermit's Cave,_ _Lights Out_, _Lux Radio Theater_, _The
Jack Benny Program_.  

Episode titles vary from week to week, such as "The Professor's Elixir,"
"The Hungry One," "Mississippi," and, when no titles are available,
dealers indicate contents of an episode by a description of events.  For
example, _The Jack Benny Program_, "Jack Meets the new Sponsor,"  etc.


On the BBC, I see several titles used again and again as titles of
continuing series, and then with titles-within-titles listed as part of
shorter series, and finally with titles of episodes indicated last.  

For example:  Saturday Night Theater, Sherlock Holmes, "The Speckled Band."

Again and again I see listed titles which are apparently titles of
continuing series, but this is only an assumption, I have no proof.  Such
series are _BBC Home Service_, _Saturday Night Theater_, _BBC Light
Programme_, etc.  (I thought the BBC Home Service was a sub-division of
Radio Four, or another channel on the BBC.)

Anybody care to make a stab at explaining this situation to a confused Yank?

Thanks,

-dc


-- 
"After all, what the hell?"     --Dan Turner        dchandle@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:35:17 -0500
From: JShnay@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Anthony Boucher Again
Message-ID: <960109143501_36410144@[removed]>

Anthony Boucher was the renowned mystery critic for the new York Times for
nearly 20 years. His sometimes brilliant commentaries under the ``Criminals
at Large''  column in the book review section. His distinguished commentaries
won him three Edgar awards from the Mystery Writers of America. 
Boucher was also a well-established mystery writer on his own and his best
known work under his own name is a delightful novel called "The Case of the
Baker Street Irregulars" which still is available in paperback. 
According to a short biography in front of the book Boucher was indeed a
"Renaissance" man. His interests, in addition to Sherlock Holmes, included
"theological speculation, party politics, cooking, poker, cats, opera,
football, basketball, true crime,  and collecting old records. 
"BoucherCon", the name of the annual conference of the Mystery Writers, is
named in his honor, as are the annual awardws presented there, called
"Anthonys". In 1995 BoucherCon was held in Nottingham, England. 
Jerry Shnay
 jshnay@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 14:40:13 -0600 (CST)
From: caldwell@[removed] (Wayne Caldwell)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Cassette label programs
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

What software does everyone use to print cassette labels?

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 15:57:48 -0500
From: laidler@[removed] (Jim Laidler)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Help Finding Logs
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Does anyone have logs for the following shows:

        The Stan Freeberg Show
        The Crime Files of Flamand

My local radio station has played a number of these but I have been unable
to find broadcast dates in the Humungous log listing on the Internet.

Thanks,
Jim

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Date: Tue, 09 Jan 1996 15:39:27 -0600
From: Richard Veit <Richard_Veit@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <otr@[removed]>
Subject: Information Please
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>

                       Subject:                               Time:2:27 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          Information Please                     Date:1/9/96

I have some "Information Please" programs that I would like to date. Does
anyone know of a log for this long-running series?

Many of the shows feature pianist Oscar Levant as a panelist, and he
unfailingly displays an encylopedic knowledge of the arts. The moderator
(quizmaster) is the always urbane Clifton Fadiman, and the announcer is Milton
Cross (of Metropolitan Opera fame). Sometimes guest panelists are invited to
take part, and one of the shows in my collection features the razorwitted Fred
Allen.

Like many OTR collectors, I like to label my cassettes with complete date
information--if available--so I would appreciate any help the Digest can
provide on this!

Dick Veit

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Date: 09 Jan 1996 22:52 GMT
From: Henry Brugsch <@[removed]:henry@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: 
Subject: Busted agora.
Message-ID: <01091996225211um@[removed]>

                      Ref: the problems with the agora site.
I wish I had an answer, I really found this site useful. Unfortunately,
it seems to have disappeared.
Here's what I found on the subject:

cut here
                                                      The W3 Consortium ([removed]) is currently reinstalling the ftp
server on one of their machines, instead of this machine, located physically
at CERN.

As they experienced problems with their mail server as well, neither can they
run Agora, an interface between email and WWW that allows users with only
email access to the Internet to access WWW documents (except forms so far).
                                                      I have created a mailing-list, called www-agora@[removed], that should be
limited to announcements of new sites where Agora is installed and open
to anyone, and of new versions of the software.

To subscribe to it, either use the form at
[removed], or send an email with the body HELP
to www-agora-request@[removed] .

[removed] contains important changes and fixes made by Hugh Sasse.
I will base the future version [removed] on it.

Regards,

Arthur Secret (agora-request@[removed])

(eof)If anyone finds any useful info re: mailing the web, please post the
newsletter, or me.
Thanks

Hit enter to continue                     
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   aka hbj elsewhere, CIS: [removed]@[removed], hbj@[removed]
Give me an alias long enough and I'll mail the world

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:14:38 -0500
From: aa993@[removed] (Christopher L. Tumber)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Adventures Of Jungle Jim, Casper The Friendly Ghost and Hearst Comics Weekly.
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I've been listening to the first series (The Bat Woman) of the Adventures of 
Jungle Jim radio serial. At the ending of each episode, listeners are urged 
to read Jungle Jim's adventures in the Hearst Comics Weekly available in 
their local newpapers. This ad notes that the Hearst Comics Weekly also
features Casper, the Katzenjammer Kids, Bringing Up Father, Skippy, Barney 
Google, Cookie.
 
Now, these episodes of Jungle Jim are listed as being late '35. early '36. 
However, the Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide Annual states Casper's first 
appearance in ANY media (including film) as Casper The Friendly Ghost 1 
Sept 1949. As well, Cookie's first appearance is listed as Topsy-Turvy 1 (4/45)
but this may be after newspaper strip appearances and so might not be first 
appearance ever.
 
Does anybody have any publishing info on the Hearst Comics Weekly? Or, 
can anyone confirm or deny the dating on Adventures Of Jungle Jim radio 
serial ('35 does seem rather early)? One of these is obviously wrong and I 
suspect it's the serial as I can't see Overstreet being so far out for two 
characters but does anybody know anything for sure?

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 22:51:53 -0500
From: ESPALMER@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Shadow books
Message-ID: <960109223825_111644487@[removed]>

A bit off the subject of OTR but if anyone has any info on where to obtain
Shadow novels(reprints ok), please e-mail me. 
Thanx,
ESPalmer@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 00:54:59 +0001 (EST)
From: "'A. Joseph Ross'" <lawyer@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Hi Yo Silver!
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

> Date: Tue, 09 Jan 96 09:24:28 est
> From: lee_maschmeyer@[removed]
> To: otr@[removed]
> Subject: John Todd Unmasked!
> Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
> 
> I was listening to a couple early LR's with Earl Graser.  Contrary to all 
> printed renderings I have seen, LR's cry seems to me to be:  "Hiyo Silver!  
> Hurray!", not "Away!".  Of course, I am now deaf enough that I listened to 
> nearly 30 TTR broadcasts convinced that the hero was named Jake Pierson 
> instead of Jace (Jase?).  Anyone with normal hearing can tell this 
> immediately.  So I should not place too much reliance on what I hear.  But 
> it sure sounds like "Hurray!" in these early broadcasts.  Anyone have any 
> feelings on this?  I don't mean what was printed, but what do you hear?

Maybe Graser was simply speaking "Away" with a careless enthusiasm, sort 
of like when a drill sergeant says "Forward HARCH!"

Regarding Tales of Texas Rangers, I'm curious when that was on radio.  I 
never heard it on radio, but I remember it on TV.

======================================================================
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                                      617/367-0468
15 Court Square                                   lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2573                    [removed]~lawyer/
======================================================================

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Date: Tue, 9 Jan 1996 23:49:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Rob Spencer <rspencer@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Charles Herrold program
Message-ID: <[removed]@netcom22>

I watched the PBS program on Charles Herrold, the one I mentioned a few 
issues back.  If anyone is interested, let me know and I will post a 
brief report.

Rob Spencer

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