Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #200
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 5/15/2003 5:27 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2003 : Issue 200
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: Cut to the quick                  [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  MYSTERY PLAYHOUSE                     [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Re: Ball Games pre-empting radio      [ Michael Henry <mlhenry@[removed]; ]
  OTR evocation, probably unintended    [ John Henley <jhenley@[removed] ]
  White Bread                           [ sojax@[removed] (Roger S. Smith) ]
  Julius LaRosa                         [ Michael Mewborn <mmewborn@designgro ]
  White Bread                           [ CarlLarsen1@[removed] ]
  first family album                    [ "" <cooldown3@[removed]; ]
  Green Hornet's identity               [ "Jody Davis" <baroygis@[removed]; ]
  Paul Harvey Photos                    [ littlejc2@[removed] ]
  Command Performance                   [ William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed]; ]
  OTR                                   [ "Sunisa and Brian" <sunisa@konacoas ]
  The music man                         [ "Deric J. McCoy" <vigor16@[removed]; ]
  Sunbeam Bread                         [ "Don Weagant" <don-weagant@[removed] ]
  Robert Stack on Radio?                [ Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed]; ]
  Kinescope Digest? ABC/Network Histor  [ Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed]; ]
  Godfrey Radio/TV Simulcasts           [ Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed]; ]
  The "Other" Paul Harvey               [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
  May 16th birthdays                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Re: Bloopers I swear I heard          [ "Alan R. Betz" <arbetz@[removed]; ]
  Green Hornet                          [ "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
  Baby Dumpling                         [ AandG4jc@[removed] ]
  Transcribing shows                    [ ilamfan@[removed] ]

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:46:37 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Cut to the quick

Ah! Irene, (the Greek Goddess) hits below the belt.

What really got me about Hal's message was his request for mayonnaise on a
corned beef sandwich.   You don't have to be Jewish to know that you never
put mayonnaise on corned beef or pastrami.   You just had to be a savvy New
Yorker with good taste.

She dares to impugn and casts aspersions on my "Savvy". I take great pride
in my "Savvy". I cherish my reputation as one of the top "Savviests" in the
country. I must now defend my honor, and standing, among "savvites" of the
world. (I do not limit my  "savvy" to just the crass new York area). :)

As it turns out, I have had my share of Corned Beef on Rye with Mustard at
the famed NY Stage Door Deli, as well as the Carnegie deli. But that was
back when I had a cast iron stomach. I have since had to forego Mustard
because it eats holes in my esophagus, and catsup (acid) results in reflux.
And as for Kosher dill pickles, they are but a distant memory. So you see
Irene, I'm savvy enough to avoid pain and discomfort, and will risk looking
like a dork! :)

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Savoir-faire is my middle name. (oops, excuse me for speaking French) Ugh!

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:48:16 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  MYSTERY PLAYHOUSE

Rodney asked:

While researching a small project involving The Thin Man radio series, I
found one episode of a program that was labeled as a Thin Man broadcast, but
was actually a show called Mystery Playhouse, hosted by Peter Lorre.  All I
could find in the Dunning book was a 1949 summer replacement hosted by Boris
Karloff.  I have no date for this show, but I'd think it was before 1949 and
the fact that the hosts are different leads me to think that the two
programs
are different. [removed] can tell me more about Mystery Playhouse?  Did the
program feature
Thin Man stories often?

Actually, MYSTERY PLAYHOUSE was one of thos Armed Forces Radio Service
Programs.  During the war and the years after, the AFRS took transcriptions
of radio broadcasts, deleted the commercials, and added their own opening
and closing.  In this case, "MYSTERY PLAYHOUSE" which was the AFRS' program
offering mystery programs of all types.  These included Molle Mystery
Theater, Mr. and Mrs. North, The Whistler, Inner Sanctum, etc.  Sometimes
they had actors like Peter Lorre open and close each episode.  The purpose
was so troops stationed abroad could listen to the dramas without commercial
sponsorship, and with the assistance of the AFRS.

Sadly, this kind of butchering is evident in almost all of their recordings.
  Original commercials were always deleted (and sometimes during the 1950s
they added patriotic commercials).  But . . . look back now, if it wasn't
for the AFRS rebroadcasts, an estimated one-third of the Inner Sanctum
episodes wouldn't exist in recorded form for us to enjoy today, and the same
goes for many other radio programs including the Whistler.
Martin

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:47:42 -0400
From: Michael Henry <mlhenry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Ball Games pre-empting radio

In response to Joe Solerno's frustration over ball games pre-empting radio, I
have
the same frustration. I began listening to OTR in the early 1980's on KSFO in
San
Francisco. KSFO played OTR three hours each night, seven days a week. They
played
everything, comedy, drama, mystery, music, you name it. I quickly became
hooked and
listened every chance I got.

Unfortunately, KSFO was also the radio home of the Oakland A's, the Golden
State
Warriors Basketball, and the Oakland Raiders. These games were continually
pre-empting the OTR. I quickly developed a dislike for those sports, a
dislike that
continues to this day.

-Michael Henry
Library of American Broadcasting

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 09:58:01 -0400
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR evocation, probably unintended

The Washington Post reports today (5/15) on the new
CBS tv fall schedule and describes a new program,
a cross of "JAG and "CSI," to be called "Navy CIS".

The story states that the stars of the new show
will be:  "Mark Harmon, whom they never should have shot
on 'The West Wing,' and David 'Ilya Kuryakin' McCallum, whose
name will be Ducky Mallard on the new show, for which the writer
should be shot."

Shades of Candy Matson!
John Henley

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:35:41 -0400
From: sojax@[removed] (Roger S. Smith)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  White Bread

Hal you were right.  This was off topic and I was hesitant is sending
the message.  But, look at all the information we received from an old
radio star.  By the way the spelling was correct.  It is an old German
bakery.  The bread is not the soft doughy type as Rainbow, Tip Top,
Wonder etc.  Thanks for all the information Hal.  Roger

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 10:36:07 -0400
From: Michael Mewborn <mmewborn@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Julius LaRosa

Several years ago, on a long weekend in Atlantic City, I paid $5 to attend a
performance by
Julius LaRosa. It was the best $5 I've ever spent and some of the most
enjoyable time as well.
My wife was not very familiar with him and loved every minute as well.

Michael

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:02:59 -0400
From: CarlLarsen1@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  White Bread
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Does anyone remember which OTR show was sponsored by Polka Dot bread?

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:21:47 -0400
From: "" <cooldown3@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  first family album

Hi All,
Although I came from that time i do not remember hearing the "First Family
Albums" as many have posted about here.
Can anyone trade for, sell me a copy of this on mp3 or cassette?
Cheers,
Patrick

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:54:31 -0400
From: "Jody Davis" <baroygis@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Green Hornet's identity

Re: the Hornet (or as Mike Axford would [removed] the Hahrnet)... even more
liberties were taken when the series moved to ABC Television in 1967. Not
only did Kato know Britt was the [removed] so did Lenore [removed] AND the
district [removed] whose last name was Scanlan. In fact, the opening
narrative of the show states, "His dual [removed] known only to his
secretary and the district attorney. And now, to protect the lives of decent
citizens, rides the Green Hornet."

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:27:05 -0400
From: littlejc2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Paul Harvey Photos

Re: "What Paul Harvey Looks Like."  I own a book, A PICTORIAL HISTORY OF
RADIO'S FIRST 75 YEARS," by B. Eric Rhoads (Streamline Press, 1996) in which
there are five or six pictures of Paul Harvey, the newscaster.  Mr. Harvey
also
wrote one of the forwards (accompanied by a photo).  The other forward is
written by Rush Limbaugh.  Interesting book (90% pictures) that covers nearly
all of the persons discussed in this forum.

Chester Littlejohn

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:27:16 -0400
From: William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Command Performance

George Aust questioned about "Command Performance. He noticed that the
RCA 44BX mikes seen in films of the show had CBS call letter plates on
them and wondered if the programs were also broadcast on the network. The
answer is "no". They originated from the Vine Street CBS theater and were
fed to Radio Recorders where they were recorded on sixteen inch discs and
shipped out to the Armed Forces Radio Service to be broadcast to the
troops. At one point in time I was the second CBS engineer on the show.
My long time friend, Pat Walsh, was the number one engineer for a long
period of time. Pat was an avid ham radio operator as was the director (I
forget his name). If the announcer suggested that the troops gather
around their Hallicrafter radios one of them would receive a piece of
Hallicrafter ham radio equipment. They were great shows and I sure
enjoyed being assigned to [removed]

Bill Murtough

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:35:52 -0400
From: "Sunisa and Brian" <sunisa@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR

I agree with you Irene, the popular subject of the day seems to be white
bread. The only thing white bread reminds me of is "The Wonder Show"
sponsored by Wonder bread which was a great show. Starring Jack Haley,
Lucille Ball, Virginia Verrill and Gale Gordon as the announcer. I have 20
of the shows and Lucille ball was great. I believe it was Lucy and Gales
first time working together in 1938. I found an early episode from
1933 of Calling all Cars, with Gale Gordon, Murder of a
Soul. I forgot the episode of Calling all Cars from 1934,
but I remember hearing the theme songs from Jungle Jim
and the Shadow both in one episode.
I'm still trying to narrow a year down from a 1930's show
called "Hawaiian Fantasies" it was a 15min show. Have a
good day to everybody in the group.
Brian.
sunisa@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:36:02 -0400
From: "Deric J. McCoy" <vigor16@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The music man

Dear friends,

I heard an ad for the current running of "The Music Man" and they said
that it is Maradeth Wilson's "The music man".  Is that the same guy that
headed up the orchestra on "the Big show" on radio?

Deric

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:53:56 -0400
From: "Don Weagant" <don-weagant@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Sunbeam Bread

Was Sunbeam
more widespread than just Indiana?

Sunbeam was sold in Canada ( Ontario anyway) by Weston's
[removed] sure if it still is or not.

Don

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 13:54:14 -0400
From: Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Robert Stack on Radio?

It's been all over the news that Robert Stack passed away today at the age
of 84. One of the reports I heard mentioned that he started in movies in
1939. And of course, most of the news reports mention him as Elliot Ness
in Desilu's "The Untouchables" on the ABC Television Network, 1959-63,
as well as his hosting on NBC-TV's "Unsolved Mysteries" thoughout the
1980s and 90s.

I also remember him in MCA-Universal's "Name of the Game", a 90-minute
'rotating cast' type of NBC/MCA-Universal drama (similar to the NBC Sunday
Mystery Movie rotations of McMillan & Wife, McCloud, etc.) on NBC-TV in
the late 1960s. I seem to remember him occasionally appearing in TV
commercials too.

But did he do much *RADIO* work in the "good old days"? Something other
than any apperances on Lux or Screen Directors'?

Mark J. Cuccia
mcuccia@[removed]
New Orleans LA USA

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:21:33 -0400
From: Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Kinescope Digest? ABC/Network History

This past Saturday, 9 May 2003, Michael Hayde started his reply regarding
ABC's claim that it is "supposedly" 50 years old this [removed]

This is probably more apropos to the Kinescope Digest - but it was
asked here so forgive me, oh great listmaster!

KINESCOPE Digest?

Is there really such an Internet-based digest/list? I'd like to
'subscribe' to it, so what's the email and/or webpage addresses! :)

As for ABC, the 1953 merger of the American Broadcasting Company by the
(recently spun off from Paramount *Pictures* Corporation which ironically
is now merged with CBS and Viacom) United Paramount *Theaters* (actually,
Goldensen's UPT bought out Noble's ABC, but the name ABC was applied to
the merged or resulting entity)...

This merger or takeover by UPT not only applied to ABC's continued/future
involvement in the "new" medium of Television, but the ABC Radio Network
was part of the merger or resulted entity.

Paul Harvey is *still* on (now Disney-owned) ABC Radio today!
And Don McNeill's Breakfast Club (inherited from Sarnoff's RCA/NBC when it
was on the NBC-Blue Network) remained on the ABC Radio Network all the way
up until the end of 1968, during that final year, packaged as part of the
"American Entertainment Radio Network", which was part of the four-way
package split ABC Radio started on 1-Jan-1968.

I will say that this is the 50th Anniversay, not of 'ABC', but of the
merger with or takeover by, UPT.

ABC as a separate-from-RCA/NBC corporate media entity is about SIXTY years
old this year; ABC's involvement in TELEVISION also pre-dates 1953, going
back to the late 1940's. And as a radio network of ANY kind, ABC should be
counting its NBC-years as the NBC-Blue Network, thus making it about as
old as GE/RCA's NBC. Actually, as I mentioned in a previous post, NBC
could date itself back to AT&T's WEAF-based radio network in the early
1920s -- that evolved into the NBC-Red Network (what was retained by RCA
as NBC); ABC could date itself back to almost the same time in the early
1920s as the RCA/GE/Westinghouse-owned WJZ-based radio network (which used
inferior Western Union Telegraph circuits to distribute its programs to
the affiliate stations since AT&T refused to lease facilities to a
competitor radio network) -- the RCA/GE/Westinghouse-owned WJZ-based radio
network evolved into the NBC-Blue Network, which was chosen to be sold off
to Ed Noble in the early 1940s as per US Federal Government order.

ABC *IS* older than it claims to be -- really MUCH MUCH older -- along
with NBC and even CBS.

And *NOW* you [removed] the [removed] of the Story!
good-DAY!

Mark J. Cuccia
mcuccia@[removed]
New Orleans LA USA

[ADMINISTRIVIA: Check out:

[removed]

...for information on subscribing to The Kinescope.  --cfs3]

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:31:43 -0400
From: Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Godfrey Radio/TV Simulcasts

Dixon Hayes replied regarding Arthur Godfrey's CBS Radio/TV simulcasts:

I don't know the exact years on "Arthur Godfrey Time" or "Talent Scouts"
(the two prime time entries) but I want to say they all stopped around
1959.

"Arthur Godfrey Time" was the title of his weekday morning program.
The two prime-time programs (each airing once or twice a week) were
"Arthur Godfrey's Talent Scouts" (as mentioned), but the other on was
"Arthur Godfrey and His Friends".

I wonder if CBS' "Sixty Minutes" vignette reporter (and CBS veteran)
Andy Rooney is on this list? (is there anyone on this list who knows him
PERSONALLY or at least how to contact him DIRECTLY, without having to go
thru layers of secretaries, producers, security, receptionists,
watchdogs, etc?)... Of *ALL* people still alive today, *HE* would know
*ALL* of the "nitty gritty" about Godfrey's radio/TV career at the CBS
Network, the Columbia Broadcasting System, as he was one of Godfrey's
writers or producers for many, many years starting in the late 1940s.

Mark J. Cuccia
mcuccia@[removed]
New Orleans LA USA

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:25:50 -0400
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  The  "Other"  Paul Harvey

We need to give the "other" Paul Harvey a bit more respect.

The "other" Paul Harvey had more than 100 films to his credit.  He came to
Hollywood when the film industry was just getting started.  Harvey worked
first for the Selig Film Manufacturing Company in 1917. Selig was the first
major film company to come to Los Angeles.

Harvey had a distingished, dignified  demeanor and always played
high-rolling executive types. (IMO, he looks a little like Paul Douglas).
His filmography from 1929 shows he was active in "talking" pictures from
1929 to 1955.  His last film, "The Ten Commandments," was released after he
died (from coronary thrombosis on December 14, 1955).  Counting the time he
was in silents, Harvey had a busy  38 year film career, which is not too
shabby.  In his last three years, he made 13 movies, to say nothing of
early television shows like "I Love Lucy," to which the initiator of this
thread alluded.

He was also on stage from 1921 to 1932, performing in 11 Broadway plays.
He last was in "Dinner at Eight,"  the famous high society comic melodrama
by George Kaufman and Edna Ferber.

Dennis Crow

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:27:07 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  May 16th birthdays

If you were born on the 16th of May, you share your birthday with:

05-16-1896 - Margaret Sullavan - Norfolk, VA - d. 1-1-1960
actress: "The Electric Theatre"; "Hollywood Playhouse"
05-16-1905 - Henry Fonda - Grand Island, NE - d. 8-12-1982
actor: "Eyes Aloft"; "Romance"; "Suspense"
05-16-1913 - Woody Herman - Milwaukee, WI - d. 10-29-1987
bandleader: (The Thundering Herd) "The Wildroot Show"
05-16-1919 - Liberace - West Milwaukee, WI - d. 2-4-1987
pianist, singer: "Stars for Defense"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Hometown of [removed] Kaltenborn

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:10:03 -0400
From: "Alan R. Betz" <arbetz@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Bloopers I swear I heard

In the very early '50s my family and I (I was about 12 or 13 at the
time) were gathered around our 1949 Admiral TV watching "You Bet Your
Life."  Groucho asked the lady contestant how many children she had, to
which she replied "ten."  Groucho then asked her what her husband did
for a living.  She replied "He operates an automatic screwing machine."
The audience, and my mother, broke up.  Does anyone else remember this
event?
Alan.

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:10:26 -0400
From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Green Hornet

The questions about Britt Reid, the "Green Hornet" and who knew or didn't
know his identity reminded me of the 10-28-1947 broadcast entitled,
"Exposed".  In this episode, a girl secretly takes refuge in the back seat
of the Black Beauty, the Hornet's car, and after Kato pulls into the secret
garage in the side of the "seemingly abandoned" warehouse, she pops up and
finds out Britt is the Hornet.  The episode ends here, and presumably was
continued in the next story, but I've never been able to find out what
happened.  Aside from whether Miss Case or the police commissioner knew
Britt's identity, what ever happened to the lady?  Oliver Perry would have
paid a pretty penny to find out what she saw!

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:10:02 -0400
From: AandG4jc@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Baby Dumpling

Yes Alexander was first called Baby Dumpling but when Cookie was born, for
some reason, he was renamed Alexander. Larry Simms played the role in the
movie series.
Allen

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Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:49:39 -0400
From: ilamfan@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed] (OTR Bulletin Board)
Subject:  Transcribing shows

     Hey, I stayed out of the mp3 arguments - I figured I'd end up having half
of you loving me and the other half absolutely HATING me.  But I doubt that
there would be much argument about how useful the mp3 format is when
transcribing a show.
     In the past, I'd spent time at the typewriter, hitting the Fast-Forward
and Rewind and Play buttons on the cassette deck over and over and over,
swearing that "I'll never do THIS again!".  Then I got my computer, and OTR on
mp3.  Night and day!
     Shrinking the player so it fit in the upper corner of the word processing
program, just a single click to hear a sentence, another to pause it, type the
sentence, and back again.  Learn the keystroke commands for your mp3 player,
and you don't even need to touch the mouse!
     I'm certainly no high-speed typist, but I can transcribe a typical half-
hour show in about 3 hours.  STILL not a lot of fun, but certainly a lot less
frenetic than it used to be.  Saves wear and tear on the cassette transports,
too (the what?!?).
     Wouldn't it be a neat idea to have an online storage place for scripts
that we could all add to, and use when necessary?  [removed]'s THAT for
opening up an argument?

Stephen Jansen
--
Old Time Radio never dies - it
just changes formats!

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