Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #175
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Date: 6/7/2005 10:13 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 175
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Trying to date a NBC news show        [ Andrew Steinberg <otrdig1@[removed] ]
      Re: Mystic Knights Minstrels          [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Re: Radio Friendly? TV friendly, too  [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      June 9, 2005, Virtual Oldtime Radio   [ "Robert Acosta" <boacosta@[removed] ]
      6-7 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:47:56 -0400
    From: Andrew Steinberg <otrdig1@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Trying to date a NBC news show
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    I have a NBC news radio show with no date. I think it from around 1939, but
    am not sure. Can anyone help?

    It starts of with New York switching to Fred Bates in London. Fred is not
    available. His substitute says the British cabinet meeting resumed at 3:26.
    There is a mention of summer foliage. The reporter says that he is  a member
    of an assembled volunteer fire force of 35,000

    Then it switches to Paris. The correspondent says Mussolini has taken over
    foreign affairs from his son in law. It talks about Parisians went to the
    horse races (Transcend circuit (spelling?), but the military had taken it
    over.

    The the show switches to Berlin with Wallace Durow (spelling?) of the Chicago
    Tribune, who talks about Germans want to be recognized as a great power and
    can not have strong armies on the West and East of them.

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    Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:05:07 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Mystic Knights Minstrels

    On 6/6/05 11:44 AM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     I have a Mystic Knights of the Sea Minstrel Show labeled 36-11-04. I see that
>     only one episode is usually listed in catalogs and it has the date of
>     36-12-04 is usually given. Is this show misdated, or is it possibly a
>     different episode?

    The date is incorrect. There were only two A&A broadcasts in this format
    -- it was an experiment which didn't pan out. The first aired on December
    4, the second on December 11. The programs were integrated into the
    regular serial storyline by presenting them as shows put on by the lodge
    as fundraisers, but the breaking-of-the-fourth-wall in the format proved
    to be too much of a compromise to the serial, and when Correll and Gosden
    left for their annual trip to the West Coast after the December 11
    broadcast, the idea was quietly abandoned.

    The programs are significant in that they marked the first time Correll
    and Gosden broadcast before a live audience, and admission fees gathered
    for the performances were donated to specified charities -- the proceeds
    from December 4 went to the Harlem Community Fund, and those from
    December 11 went to the American Lung Association.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 14:55:51 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Radio Friendly?  TV friendly, too!

    I think that Martin Fass was being a little too cynical in his depiction of
    TV program closing announcers not being as friendly or thankful as they
    were back in radio.  During the days of live radio they could close the
    programs with a statement like "We hope YOU will be with us next Sunday at
    the same time." because that would be the only time and day that the
    program would be aired.  This could not be done even in the early days of
    live TV because even back in 1948 there would be stations airing the
    program by kinescope film recording, and those might be aired at different
    times and days.  This was also true of syndicated radio programs (with very
    few exceptions.)  That's why they could only say "see ya next time."  But
    that doesn't make them any less friendly or less thankful for your viewing

    I find that MANY TV personalities -- especially newscasters -- are still
    closing their programs thanking the viewers profusely, as Martin put it,
    "in a most genuine, sincere voice . . . 'THANK you for listening'"  I wish
    I could cite specifics, but one phrase I have heard many times, as recently
    as this week, is something like" "We know that you have many choices for
    news, and we thank you for choosing US."

    Martin might have been right when he admitted that he might be "smitten by
    nostalgia".  But there is another factor -- the TYPE of programming that is
    now on.  Variety shows and announced sit-coms are rare now.  But look at
    daytime and late-night talk shows.  Even some of the game shows.  You will
    find the host -- not the announcer -- closing the program.  If you are
    waiting for the announcer to give you your thanks, then you are waiting for
    the wrong person.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 15:46:51 -0400
    From: "Robert Acosta" <boacosta@[removed];
    To: "oldtime radio digest digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  June 9, 2005, Virtual Oldtime Radio
     Symposium, Official Program

            June 9, 2005

    5-9:30 pm, Central Time, USA

    Attention:  We plan to give several door prizes to those who are present in
    the chat room.

    All you need is a microphone and a computer.  You can even text chat with
    us.  Finally, you may just choose to listen.  The entire Oldtime Radio
    Symposium will be archived for your convenience.  Please find instructions
    for accessing the conference hall below.

    5-9:30 pm, Central Time, USA

    Oldtime Radio:  Past, Present and Future

    5:00 pm

    Introductory Remarks by Robert Acosta, Master of Ceremonies.

    5:05 pm

    An interview with Mr. Ed Walker, Host of THE BIG BROADCAST WAMU FM,
    [removed], 7 pm (EDT) Sunday evenings.

    5:35 pm

    Mr. Bill Sparks, Owner, President and Founder of an Accessible Web Site that
    provides thousands of radio stations and Oldtime Radio Shows for your
    enjoyment.  ([removed]).

    6:10 pm

    Introduction of Mr. Chuck Schaden by Miss Joanie Leonard, OTR Fan.

    "Speaking of Radio," a book review by Chuck Schaden, Host of "Those were the
    Days"

    Radio Program, [removed].

    6:50 pm

    "The Police Radio Show, 'Gangbusters' and its Impact on Organized Crime in
    America,"  by Mr. Ronald Staley, Oldtime Radio Archivist.

    7:15 pm

    "The Nostalgia Book Corner," by Miss Joanie Leonard, an Oldtime Radio Fan.

    7:30 pm

    "Private Eyelashes: Radio's Lady Detectives," A History of the Female
    Detective in Oldtime Radio, by Mr. Jack French, Oldtime Radio Historian,
    Interviewed by John and Larry Gassman, Oldtime Radio Historians.
    ([removed]) Ph# 814-466-7555.

    8: pm

    General Audience Discussion of Oldtime Radio

    Joanie Leonard, Moderator.

    9:30 pm

    Recess.

    Instructions:  Accessing the Oldtime Radio Symposium Conference Hall.

      [removed] Go to: [removed] and enter.
      [removed] On the first link, enter on Expo.
      [removed] Go to Conference Entrance and enter.
      [removed] Go to An Accessible World and enter.
      [removed] Then go to: Enter the presentation room and enter.
      [removed] Go to edit and enter. Type in your name and enter and you should be in
    the room.  You may be prompted to download the Conference Software, please
    do so.

    If you need personal assistance, please go to: [removed]
    and click on the Live help Desk.  When you enter this room, you will speak
    or text chat with a live person who will help you.

    Should you wish to record the Symposium, the people at the Live help Desk
    can tell you how to use the Conference Software to do so.

    Contact: Robert Acosta: boacosta@[removed].

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    Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:10:00 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  6-7 births/deaths

    June 7th births

    06-07-1891 - Alois Havrilla - Pressov, Hungary - d. 12-7-1952
    announcer: "Campbell Soup Orchestra"; "Jack Benny Program"
    06-07-1896 - Hope Summer - Mattoon, IL - d. 6-22-1979
    actress: Clara "Girl Alone"
    06-07-1897 - George Szell - Budapest, Austria-Hungary - d. 7-30-1970
    orchestra leader: "NBC Symphony Orchestra"; "New York Philharmonic"
    06-07-1897 - Mann Holiner - Brooklyn, NY - d. 10-29-1958
    producer, director: "Baby Snooks Show"; "Frank Sinatra Show"; "Jubilee"
    06-07-1903 - Glen Gray - Metamora, IL - d. 8-23-1963
    bandleader: "Camel Caravan"
    06-07-1903 - Joseph Kahn - NYC - d. 9-3-1998
    pianist: "Voice of Firestone"; "Story of Mary Marlin"
    06-07-1908 - Boris Goldovsky - Moscow, Russia - d. 2-15-2001
    commentator: "Metropolitan Opera"
    06-07-1908 - Clarence Straight - d. 6-21-1988
    actor: Rags the Dog "Those We Love"
    06-07-1909 - Jessica Tandy - London, England - d. 9-11-1994
    actress: Liz Marriott "Marriage"; Mildred Rogers "Of Human Bondage"
    06-07-1911 - Stanley Unwin - Pretoria, South Africa - d. 1-12-2002
    sound engineer, commentator, actor: "Beyond Our Ken"
    06-07-1913 - Tom Collins - Chicago, IL - d. 6-17-1973
    actor: Chandu "Chandu the Magician"; Nicholas Lacey "One Man's Family"
    06-07-1917 - Dean Martin - Steubenville, OH - d. 12-25-1995
    singer, comedian: "Martin and Lewis Show"
    06-07-1919 - Ray Scherer - Fort Wayne, IN - d. 7-1-2000
    nbc white house correspondent: "News of the World"; "Army-McCarthy Hearings"
    06-07-1924 - Dolores Gray - Chicago, IL - d. 6-26-2002
    musical actress: "Chamber Music Society of Lower Basin Street"; "Jack Smith
    Show"
    06-07-1926 - Dick Williams - Wall Lake, IA
    singer: (The Williams Brothers) "Bing Crosby Show"

    June 7th deaths

    01-01-1879 - [removed] Forster - London, England - d. 6-7-1970
    novelist: "NBC University Theatre"
    01-03-1898 - Zasu Pitts - Parsons, KS - d. 6-7-1963
    comedienne: "Lum and Abner"; "Tommy Riggs and Betty Lou"
    01-14-1894 - Mary "Bubbles" Kelly - Chicago, IL - d. 6-7-1941
    actress: (Ex Jack Benny girlfriend) "Honolulu Bound"
    01-23-1907 - Dan Duryea - White Plains, NY - d. 6-7-1968
    actor: Lou Dana "Man from Homicide"
    01-31-1915 - Bobby Hackett - Providence, RI - d. 6-7-1976
    cornetist: "Eddie Condon's Jazz Concert"; "Chamber Music Society of Lower
    Basin Street"
    02-06-1889 - Richard Bonelli - Port Byron, NY - d. 6-7-1980
    baritone: "Universal Rhythm"
    03-03-1911 - Jean Harlow - Kansas City, MO - d. 6-7-1937
    actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    05-26-1915 - Martin Stone - d. 6-7-1998
    producer: "Howdy Doody"; "Author Meets the Critic"
    05-30-1906 - Norris Goff - Cove, AR - d. 6-7-1978
    actor: Abner Peabody "Lum and Abner"
    06-21-1921 - Judy Holliday - NYC - d. 6-7-1965
    actress: "Big Show"
    08-15-1910 - Signe Hasso - Stockholm, Sweden - d. 6-7-2002
    actress: "Charlie McCarthy Show"; "Hollywood Star Time"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    08-22-1893 - Dorothy Parker - West End, NJ - d. 6-7-1967
    author, panelist: "Author, Author"; "Information, Please"
    09-04-1905 - Meade Lux Lewis - Chicago, IL - d. 6-7-1964
    jazz pianist: "Camel Caravan"; "Mercury Theatre"; "Jubilee"
    09-04-1936 - Wayne Cody - Atlantic City, NJ - d. 6-7-2002
    Seattle sportscaster
    10-19-1918 - Bob Sweeney - San Francisco, CA - d. 6-7-1992
    actor: "Sweeney and March"; "Sara's Private Caper"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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