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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2009 : Issue 116
A Part of the [removed]!
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Re: 15 minute non serials [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
re: Unpaid radio [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
Radio to TV ? [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
A quarter-hour on the dial [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
Hollywood Bowl Concerts on local rad [ Jim Hilliker <jimhilliker@sbcglobal ]
Fifteen Minute Shows? [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
15-minute radio shows [ James H Arva <wilditralian@[removed] ]
6-21 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
15 minute shows [ "John Buxbaum" <sorahl@[removed] ]
I still [removed] [ "John Buxbaum" <sorahl@[removed] ]
15 minute shows [ Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed]; ]
Quarter Hour Radio shows [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
15 minute shows [ Steve Darnall <fvpress@[removed] ]
RE: Can you spare 15 minutes? [ "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed] ]
Dragnet repeat episodes [ Andrew Steinberg <otrdig2@[removed] ]
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:22:31 -0400
From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: 15 minute non serials
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In a message dated 6/20/2009 11:25:54 [removed] Central Daylight Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:
On my 15-minute show query, I meant to say "serial-type shows" rather than
soap operas. In other words, you can exclude shows such as Vic and Sade,
Lum and Abner, and Easy Aces.
Then again, "Yours Truly Johnny Dollar" was serialized as a 15 minute
[removed] though the complete story usually ran only five or so days.
Would the later "Fibber McGee and Molly" and "Great Gildersleeve" shows
count? What about Henry Morgan's early 1940s show on WOR/Mutual?
Dixon
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:20:43 -0400
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: re: Unpaid radio
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As a long time member of AFTRA, AFRA in the old days, I can fully
appreciate the actors position. The union was formed to protect talent from
the unfair practices and exploitation used against them by the producers and
advertising agencies. They were not formed for the producers. When radio
became big business in the thirties the rank and file talent were the ones at
the bottom of the pay barrel. Without the union they would have stayed there.
People like Harry Bartell, Tyler McVey, Rhoda Williams, Cliff Carpenter and
the like, highly talented professionals all, help to make sure that talent had
a place to go to insure fair payment for work done and to air legitimate
complaints against abuses. Acting is a skill just like any other and no not
everybody can do the same job with the same ability (animal sounds). Therefore
not just any Tom Dick or whatever can step in to cover a position. As a
modern day radio actor, producer, director I cover all
the bases and it is today as was back in the golden age, you want the best
get a professional. Get someone who takes the craft of acting seriously get
the union [removed] AlbertImagination Theatre
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:20:52 -0400
From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Radio to TV ?
Gregory Jackson, Jr. tells us he grew up with several TV shows, which
he later found out while in school that they were on radio first, and
he names several including Hopalong Cassidy, Tom Corbett, Space
Cadet, and Have Gun, Will Travel.
I don't know what school he went to but they obviously led him
astray. All three of these series appeared FIRST on television and
then made their debut on network radio. Actually eight such shows
went this unusual route of television to radio, as I've posted a few
times on this Digest.
Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:22:45 -0400
From: <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: A quarter-hour on the dial
Jody Davis writes:
I'm trying to discover as many shows as possible that were 15 minutes in length
Anyone know of any more?
This could go on forever. For starters:
Curt Massey-Martha Tilton Time
CBS World News Roundup
The World Tonight
Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost Persons
Jack Berch & His Boys
The Howard Miller Show
The Cisco Kid
Jack Armstrong, the All-American Boy
Lowell Thomas
Edward R. Murrow
Club 15
Peggy Lee
Beulah
Jack Smith Show
Elmer Davis
Don Gardiner
Fulton Lewis, Jr.
Gabriel Heatter
H. V. Kaltenborn
Henry J. Taylor
Larry LeSueur
Allen Jackson
Paul Harvey
Mutual Newsreel
Taylor Grant
Three Star Extra
Walter Winchell
Louella Parsons
Bill Stern
Norman Vincent Peale
Sidney Walton
Dave Garroway
Lanny Ross
Grand Slam
Mark Trail
Big Jon and Sparkie
Alex Dreier
Cedric Foster
Martin Agronsky
Pauline Frederick
Faith in Our Time
Bob Considine
Betty Crocker
Adventures in Science
Galen Drake
Victor Lindlahr
Tell Your Neighbor
Ted Malone
This Farming Business
Bob & Ray
Coke Time
Three Suns
Bing Crosby-Rosemary Clooney Show
My Son Jeep
Abe Lyman Orchestra
Baby Rose Marie
Jane Froman
Morton Downey
The Pickens Sisters
Singin' Sam
The Street Singer
Tastyeast Jesters
Trade & Mark
Frank & Ernest
Whispering Jack Smith
Country Doctor
Romance
Amos 'n' Andy
Easy Aces
Wheatenaville Sketches
Buck Rogers in the 25th Century
Rin-Tin-Tin
Boake Carter
Edwin C. Hill
D. W. Griffith's Hollywood
Aunt Jemima
Breen & DeRose
Little Jack Little
The Morin Sisters
The Southernaires
Skippy
Bobby Benson & the B-Bar-B Riders
Little Orphan Annie
Tom Mix
Smackouts
Wife Saver
Mary Lee Taylor
The Lady Next Door
The Singing Lady
Ida Bailey Allen
The Mystery Chef
Emily Post
Tony Wons Poetry
Betty Grable & John Payne
The Ink Spots
Smilin' Ed McConnell
Irene Rich Dramas
Lum 'n' Abner
Uncle Ezra's Radio Station
Dog Heroes
Dorothy Thompson Commentary
Religion in the News
Jimmy Fidler
Dale Carnegie
Hymns of All Churches
Ruth Lyon, Soprano
The Voice of Experience
Dick Tracy
Don Winslow of the Navy
Junior G-Men
Terry and the Pirates
Mary Margaret McBride
How to be Charming
Women in the News
I Love a Mystery
Morgan Beatty, News of the World
Mel Allen
Sheila Graham
Lassie
Dorothy Dix at Home
Junior Miss
Elmo Roper
Break the Bank
Double or Nothing
Grady Cole
CBS Farm News
Perry Como Show
Sammy Kaye Cameo Room
Don Cornell
Frank Sinatra
Fibber McGee & Molly
Three City Byline
Mike Malloy, Detective
Modern Romances
The Phrase that Pays
Second Chance
Wizard of Odds
Make Up Your Mind
Whispering Streets
Only the tip of the iceberg. Add in the big band remotes, scores of
newscasters/commentators with national hookup platforms, singers, talk show
hosts, and what have you and you'll end up with many thousands more, I'll
betcha!
Jim Cox
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:21:34 -0400
From: Jim Hilliker <jimhilliker@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Hollywood Bowl Concerts on local radio
From: Jim Hilliker--jimhilliker@[removed]
[removed] am almost certain the Hollywood Bowl summer concerts aired locally in
Souhtern California on KFI-640 AM since the mid-1920s, until classical KFAC
AM and FM took it over, after that station took it over in the 1950s, I
believe. They went to an all-classical format around 1948 or so.
In JJ's radio logs, which is online with LA Times radio logs 1930-1960, I did
a search for Symphony Under the Stars, and it came up with that under KFI in
1931-32 on Saturday nights in the summer. Several years ago, I asked the
Hollywood Bowl people about who broadcast their summer concerts 'under the
stars' and they told me about the first contract KFI had with them starting
around 1926 or '27, and also learned that KFI had broadcast the summer
Hollywood Bowl concert series each year thru the 1930s and '40s.
Hope that helps.
Jim Hilliker
Los Angeles radio historian
Monterey, CA
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:23:02 -0400
From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fifteen Minute Shows?
Jody Davis has posted a couple of confusing requests. First she asks
for names of 15 minute shows other than soap operas (like Yours
Truly, Johnny Dollar.) When I read that, I thought of at least a
hundred, mostly juvenile dramas, commentary, and comedies. Before I
could respond, Jody jumps back in and modifies her request to exclude
not only soap operas, but all "serial-type" programs, as she terms
them. Giving examples of the latter, she lists Vic and Sade, Lum &
Abner, and Easy Aces.
Well, first of all, the 15 minute version of Johnny Dollar was a
serial program. Secondly, Easy Aces was not a serial program, and
while Vic and Sade had some continuing story lines, it was hardly a
serial program either.
So despite these conflicting issues, let's say we exclude all soap
operas, all true serial programs (Two on a Clue, all the juvenile
adventures, and the hybrid [removed] Black and Blue, for
example) and just name quarter hour shows that were "complete" in
each episode.
There's still quite a few, although it certainly reduces the field of
these pint-sized programs. Some that would still qualify would be:
It's Murder, Komedy Kingdom, Bill Stern's Sports Reel, Leatherneck
Legends, Coconut Grove Ambassadors, Lassie, Tillamook Dairy Maid,
Walter Winchell, The Pickard Family, Wishing Well, Louella Parsons,
Southland Echoes, Giselle of Canada, Brunswick Brevities, Rita Murray
Commentary, Top Hollywood Stories, Eyes on the Ball, New National
Guard Show, and Jack Webb's One out of Seven.
There must be at least 200 more like this so I yield to other
Digesters to fill in the gaps. (I've been playing a 15 minute program
at the start of every MWOTRC monthly meeting for the past eleven
years and haven't had to repeat one yet.)
Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:25:46 -0400
From: James H Arva <wilditralian@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: 15-minute radio shows
In digest #114, Jody Davis asks for the names of shows that only lasted
for 15 minutes. Well ... "Amos 'n' Andy" was, for a long time, a
15-minuter 5 nights a week, then went to a half-hour show once a week.
As I understand it, "Amos 'n' Andy" was so popular that Macy's and
Gimbels used to play it over their PA systems so that people would not
stay home and refrain from shopping just to listen to the program.
I also have recordings of these programs -- "The Jack Benny Program",
"Sergeant Preston of the Yukon", "Vic and Sade", President Truman's
Christmas tree lighting ceremony of September 24th of 1948, "Lum 'n'
Abner", "The Dinah Shore Show", "The March of Time", "The Tennessee Ernie
Ford Show", and "X-Minus-One" -- that were, at one time or another,
15-minute shows. The Ernie Ford show mentioned is only a promotional
demo recording for sponsors, though.
Regards,
Jim Arva
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:25:58 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 6-21 births/deaths
June 21st births
55 years ago, this very day, I joined the [removed] Navy, a life changing
decision.
06-21-1880 - Mary Young - d. 6-23-1971
actor: Lily "Arnold Grimm's Daughter"
06-21-1882 - William Afsprung - d. 1-15-1976
reader: WLW Cincinnati, Ohio
06-21-1895 - Saul B. Arenson - Lincoln, NE - d. 6-11-1954
lecturer on scientific topics on WLW Cincinnati, Ohio
06-21-1900 - Jack Arthur - Brooklyn, NY - d. 10-1-1980
singer, emcee: "Echoes of New York"; "Family Time"; "Jack Arthur Show"
06-21-1907 - Charles 'Bud' Dant - Washington, IN - d. 10-31-1999
music: "A Day in the Life of Dennis Day"; "Glamour Manor"
06-21-1909 - Ted Sherdeman - d. 8-22-1987
producer, director, writer: "Latitude Zero"; "Sad Sack"; "Sears Radio
Theatre"
06-21-1910 - Clive Sansom - London, England - d. 3-29-1981
writer: "The Pardoner's Tale"
06-21-1910 - Montie Montana - Wolf Point, MT - d. 5-20-1998
actor, periennial Rose Parade participant: "All-Star Western Theatre"
06-21-1911 - Irving Fein - Brooklyn, NY
producer: "Jack Benny Program"
06-21-1911 - Wonderful Smith - Arkadelphia, AR - d. 8-28-2008
comedian: "Red Skelton Show"
06-21-1912 - Mary McCarthy - Seattle, WA - d. 10-25-1989
novelist: "Guest Star Time"
06-21-1916 - Al Brown
actor: Og "Og, Son of Fire"
06-21-1921 - Jane Russell - Bemidji, MN
actor: Guest Detective: "Adventures of Ellery Queen"
06-21-1921 - Joan Tetzel - NYC - d. 10-31-1977
actor: Sylvia Field "When a Girl Marries"; Jane Brown "The Goldbergs"
06-21-1921 - Judy Holliday - NYC - d. 6-7-1965
actor: "Big Show"
06-21-1921 - Owen Weingott - Sydney, Australia - d. 10-12-2002
actor: Hercule Poirot "Hercule Peroit"; "Portia Faces Life"
06-21-1922 - Wade Denning - Albermarle, NC - d. 9-17-2007
composer, arranger: "Let's Go On With the Show"
06-21-1925 - Byron Palmer - Los Angeles, CA
actor: "Plays for Americans"
06-21-1925 - Desmond Briscoe - Birkenhead, England - d. 12-7-2006
sound technician and effects cooridinator for the BBC Radio
06-21-1925 - Maureen Stapleton - Troy, NY - d. 3-13-2006
actor: "Best Plays"
06-21-1926 - Margaret Potter - Harrow, England - d. 8-26-1998
writer: "Hindleford"; "The Waiting Game"
06-21-1926 - Merle Harmon - Salem IL - d. 4-15-2009
sportscaster: Milwaukee Braves, Milwauke Brewers, Minnesota Twins
06-21-1928 - Rudy Wissler - d. 1-11-2007
actor,singer: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
06-21-1932 - O. C. Smith - Mansfield, LA - d. 11-23-2001
singer: "Voices of Vista"
06-21-1940 - Mariette Hartley - Weston, CT
actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
June 21st deaths
02-14-1913 - Matt Dennis - Seattle, WA - d. 6-21-2002
singer: "Sextette from Hunger Show"; "Victor Borge Show"
03-27-1892 - Thorne Smith - Annapolis, MD - d. 6-21-1934
writer: "Advs. of Topper" based on his book
04-07-1908 - Walt Framer - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 6-21-1988
producer, director: "Break the Bank"; "Strike It Rich"
06-07-1908 - Clarence Straight - d. 6-21-1988
actor: Rags the Dog "Those We Love"
06-09-1922 - George Axelrod - NYC - d. 6-21-2003
writer: "Midnight in Manhattan"; "Grand Ole Opry"
07-07-1903 - Joe Boland - d. 6-21-1987
actor: Police Sergeant "Abie's Irish Rose"
08-10-1908 - Richard DuPage - Kansas City, MO - d. 6-21-1983
composer: "Murder By Experts"; "The Search That Never Ends"
08-17-1903 - Abram Chasins - NYC - d. 6-21-1987
musical director: "Stars from the Blue"
08-27-1908 - Frank Leahy - O'Neill, NE - d. 6-21-1973
football coach (Notre Dame): "Hallmark Hall of Fame"; "Bill Stern
Colgate Sports Newsreel"
11-18-1860 - Jan Ignace Paderewski - Kurilovka. Poland - d. 6-21-1941
concert pianist, statesman: "Paderewski's Eightieth Birthday Tribute"
Ron
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:26:06 -0400
From: "John Buxbaum" <sorahl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 15 minute shows
Jody,
Fibber McGee and Molly was at one point a 15 minute show, so was Vic and
Sade ( I believe).
HTH
John B
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:27:10 -0400
From: "John Buxbaum" <sorahl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: I still [removed]
Someone said (on a BBC show recently! called Heresy - great show, by the
way) that people don't laugh at a joke on a repeated program, they're
laughing and remembering what they felt like when they experienced the joke
the first time.
Ben,
Granted I'm a bit strange ( or so I'm told <grin> ) but I find myself
laughing at the jokes on the OTR comedies quite often. Yeah some of the
jokes in Allens Alley are [removed] But I do enjoy [removed] And I am definetly
not remembering them the first time around. I was born some 5 years after
the Golden Age of Radio [removed]
I also will be looking for a book or two this fall at the FOTR. I just don't
know what I want to [removed] I think I'm looking to read some kind of
narrative about some shows, or about folks who were integral to OTR.
John B
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:27:16 -0400
From: Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: 15 minute shows
lots come to mind
Suspicion, Strange Dr Weird, Strange as it Seems, Strange, come to mind.
The ultimate was the 15-minute Johnny Dollar shows
of course, most kids serials were 15 minutes, and i believe most band remote
shows were that length
many of the public service/ gov't sponsored shows, like Guest Star, Let's Go
to Town, and some others, were, too.
regards to all
joe webb
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:27:25 -0400
From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Quarter Hour Radio shows
I'm on an OTR educational mission. I'm trying to discover as many shows as
possible that were 15 minutes in length.
Jody Davis
There are probably hundreds of 15 minute radio shows that were on the
air. some examples are: Amos and Andy (until 1948), Bill Stern's
"Colgate Sports Newsreel", "The Treasury Star Parade", "I Love a
Mystery', "The Family Doctor', "The Green Valley Line". to name a [removed]
Most news programs were 15 minutes so the half hour may have filled with
a musical programs. At 10:00PM in Chicago was news so to fill the half
hour we had a live musical program, Janette Davis And the Kings Men for
15 minutes or Smiling Jack [removed] something sinilar.
All the Kids shows Orphan Annie, Jack Armstrong, Captain Midnightt, Don
Winslow of the Navy all were i5 minutes.
All the Soaps were fifteen minutes also.
I wold suggest that if Jody Davis could a coy of Jay Hickerson's "The
Ultimate History of Network Radio Programing & Guide To all Circulating
Shows". Jay shows the length of most of the programs, and there are a
whole bunch that are 15 minutes.
Hope this helps.
Fank McGurn
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:28:25 -0400
From: Steve Darnall <fvpress@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: 15 minute shows
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I'm sure Jody Davis' request for 15 minute shows has been answered many times
over, but a few that come to mind are the 30-minute shows that moved to daily
or nightly 15 minute broadcasts during the 1950sb"the most obvious being
Fibber McGee and Molly, The Great Gildersleeve, and Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost
Persons. And of course, there were plenty of "non-serial" 15 minute shows
(both syndicated and network), including The Bill Stern Sports Newsreel,
Treasury Star Parade/Guest Star, Komedy Kingdom, Unsolved Mysteries, Can You
Imagine That?, Phyl Coe Mysteries, The Strange Dr. Weird, etc.
I'm sure there are many more I'm not thinking of right now but I'm sure
someone out there can add to this list.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:28:59 -0400
From: "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: RE: Can you spare 15 minutes?
as many shows as possible that were 15 minutes in length.
Bill Stern's show was another.
--
Bob Scherago
[removed]
[removed]
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Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:29:26 -0400
From: Andrew Steinberg <otrdig2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Dragnet repeat episodes
After September 20, 1955, Dragnet broadcast repeat episodes until February
26, 1957. Is there an easy way to identify if an episode is the original or
the repeat? Some of the alleged repeat shows I have heard have had ads at the
end for Barrie Craig, which indicates that they are the original shows with
wrong dates. But, what about for the other repeat shows?
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