Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #118
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 3/27/2002 3:43 AM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 118
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Brooklyn Dodgers                      [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
  Pay/script copyright & POW-WOW        [ "William Harper" <whhsa@[removed] ]
  New MP3 Players                       [ ADeTol1@[removed] ]
  where to get Baby Snooks              [ "Ben Ohmart" <bloodbleeds@[removed] ]
  Re: The Night the Fog Came            [ Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed]; ]
  Thanks for the Allen info             [ "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@ho ]
  Bottoms Down!                         [ Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed] ]
  Peabody Awards                        [ Bhob <bhob2@[removed]; ]
  Almost ... But Not Quite              [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  OTR Convention Sites                  [ "vegan" <vegan@[removed]; ]
  Cost Adjustments                      [ "Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@worldnet. ]
  re Arsenic and Old Lace on TV         [ John Henley <jhenley@[removed] ]
  Night the Fog Came In                 [ "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed]; ]
  Churchill Imitated on Radio!          [ Kubelski@[removed] ]
  Bob Hastings sings???????             [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  Re: Baby Snooks                       [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
  Re: a bad memory                      [ Ron Tilton <octave@[removed]; ]
  1933 A&A Episode Summaries Now Avail  [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Re: New pic of the Jordans            [ "william mahan" <wmahan@[removed]; ]
  Script Security                       [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  The Phorums                           [ "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@ho ]

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:36:56 -0500
From: Grbmd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Brooklyn Dodgers

Hal Stone said:

I grew up as a
 rabid Brooklyn Dodger fan. You could not be a Dodger fan unless you hated
 the Giants

I knew there was something else, besides his Jughead character, that I like
about Hal.  I too was an avid fan, and I enjoyed Red Barber's accounts of the
games.  I even enjoyed the re-creations from the wire from other cities, back
before the announcers were sent to the away games.

I had a reasonably strong interest in the team from about 1944, but it was in
1947, when Jackie Robinson joined them, that my interest really blossomed.
And the 1947 World Series is still my favorite, even though the Yankees won
it.  There was Al Gionfriddo's catch of DiMaggio's would-be homer.  And there
was Cookie Lavagetto's pinch-hit double off the right-field wall to score the
winning run.

At the time, we didn't yet have TV, so I depended on Red and the radio for my
accounts.  It wasn't until later that I saw film clips of such plays.

Spence

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:37:33 -0500
From: "William Harper" <whhsa@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Pay/script copyright & POW-WOW

Dear folks;
In the next to last issue of POW-WOW ~ the definitive source for information
of the great NABISCO promotion, Straight Arrow ~ we published some figures
credited to US Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistic in co-operation
with the American Federation of Radio Artist.  I could not find the actual
source, but what we published reads: "... a nationwide survey of 3,475 radio
artists in 15 major cities came up with the following average incomes (in
1949); Actors $4,000; staff announcers $4,700; singers $4,800; sound effects
artists $5,200 and free-lance announcers $9,600.  NABISCO spent $1,200,000
gross annually for Straight Arrow as a three times a week production.  For
the last show of Straight Arrow (twice weekly, then) Howard Culver was paid
$[removed], while free-lance writer Sheldon Stark received $[removed] (The Culver
and Stark figures are from "pay stubbs".

Copyright ~ all Straight Arrow scripts were copyrighted by Sheldon Stark
when NABISCO did not renew the copyright.  We had to get one time rights
from Stark to publish (on newsprint, one side) the actual script for the
last show.  It is fun to compare the script with the aired show.  If you are
interested in all of this send an SASE to POW-WOW, c/o William Harper, 301
E. Buena Vista Avenue, North Augusta, SC   29841.
Manituwah,
Bill

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:38:52 -0500
From: ADeTol1@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: New MP3 Players

Richard  Carpenter Wrote:

I really don't work for Rio but here I am again, mentioning their products.
For those who have been waiting for an even lower price for a portable MP3
player that supports the OTR format, there is now the Rio Volt SP-50, which
lists for $70 but goes on sale at Best Buy tomorrow for $60 after a $10
rebate.

I went to Best Buy to look at the SP-50 for $60 after rebate, but I purchased 
the SP-90 for $20 more. For the extra $20 you get a lot more features. It 
plays 24, 28 and 32 kps without  a problem. It programs a playlist and also 
accepts the WMA format. 
Hard to believe I can get 100 half hour prgrams on one CD

It costs $[removed] with a $20 rebate = $[removed]

Andy

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:39:02 -0500
From: "Ben Ohmart" <bloodbleeds@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: where to get Baby Snooks

Someone asked where to get Baby Snooks recordings. At [removed]
there are 2 cds ready now - and about 8 more to follow sometime.

The Great Gildersleeve book!
[removed]

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:39:26 -0500
From: Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: The Night the Fog Came

Randy asked about the episodes "The Night the Fog Came" and "The Mask
of Ajor":

These are episodes from the Mutual series "The Hall of Fantasy"
originating on WGN in Chicago, with Richard Thorne, writer-producer;
Leory Olliger, director; and Harold Turner, music. "The Mask of ... (my
log has Ashor)" with Jim Ameche being broadcast on 9 Mar 1953, and "The
Night ..." on 23 Mar 1953.

Gerry Wright
ZoneZebra Productions
San Francisco

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:39:44 -0500
From: "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Thanks for the Allen info

Thanks to Elizabeth for coming through with the Allen info. I have forwarded
it. I looked at the LOC site and couldn't find the show--a real tribute to
my internet searching abilites. Oh well, that's what makes Ms. McL a
sterling scholar and me a schlub with a keyboard.
Thanks for coming through.
OTR fans are the best.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:40:04 -0500
From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Bottoms Down!

Another sitter was Sidney Greenstreet in Nero Wolfe.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:40:55 -0500
From: Bhob <bhob2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Peabody Awards

At the Peabody site, one can search their database for all of the
Peabody Awards from 1940 to the present:
[removed]

Just enter a year for results. Below are a few selections from the 1945
winners (including Mortimer Snerd!).

In a moment of inspired synchronicity, the 2002 Peabody winners will be
announced tomorrow in a webcast, so tune in tomorrow!

Winners of this year’s Peabody Awards will be announced live via
satellite and Web cast [ [removed] ] at 10:30 [removed]
(EST) on Wednesday, March 27, from Georgia Public Television. Two-time
Peabody winner Walter Cronkite will host the Peabody Awards presentation
luncheon on Monday, May 20, at the Waldorf/Astoria in New [removed];<

Bhob @ FUSEBOX @ [removed]

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Year: 1945
Title: America`s Town Meeting of the Air
Producing
Organization(s):  ABC Radio
Dr. George V. Denny, Jr.
City/State: New York New York

The edification, the fearlessness, and the fair firm moderation which
have characterized George V. Denny’s selection and conduct of “America’s
Town Meeting of the Air” were never more urgently needed by
conscientious listeners. To Mr. Denny, to his capable staff, and to the
American Broadcasting Company, we take pleasure in presenting the
Peabody Award for the outstanding educational program of 1945. Mr. Denny
has the distinction of being the first double winner: “Town Meeting”
received the medal in 1943 and is still the irresistible leader in its
field. This program has served as a stalwart example for twenty-six
Junior Town Meetings which are perpetuating the principles of free
debate among the citizens of tomorrow.

Year: 1945
Title: Personal Award for Outstanding Entertainment in Drama
Producing
Organization(s):  Mutual Broadcasting System
City/State:  

Recognizing his pioneer and continuing efforts, imaginative and
intelligent, not only to adapt drama to the requirements of radio, but
to create a dramatic form especially for broadcasting, the Board, in
admiration and gratitude, has chosen Arch Oboler for a Peabody Award in
the field of drama.

Year: 1945
Title: Personal Award for Outstanding Entertainment in Drama
Producing
Organization(s):  NBC Radio
City/State: New York New York

Working within a formula sanctioned by long usage and great popularity,
Edgar Bergen has brought to the air a mimicry, an original wit, and a
power of characterization which are refreshing. To him and his
incomparable but underpaid assistants, Charley McCarthy and Mortimer
Snerd, a Peabody Award for many laughs.

Title: The NBC Symphony of the Air
Producing
Organization(s):  NBC Radio
City/State: New York New York

Outstanding Entertainment in Music: The Board was, as always, grateful
for the superb recordings of the Metropolitan Opera and the great
symphonies. In choosing the NBC Symphony of the Air for a music award,
the Board salutes not only a magnificent conductor, but takes special
recognition of an orchestra brought together explicitly for the radio
and far-reaching educational program which together have made fine music
a living force in millions of American homes.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 13:41:34 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Almost ... But Not Quite

A video store near where I live had a used-tape sale, including tapes of
old TV shows.  I spotted a "Duffy's Tavern."   The show wasn't quite up
to OTR standards, and although most of the show was carried strictly by
dialogue, there were a few things that needed the visual cues.  It wasn't
quite like OTR, but it kind of was close.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:00:28 -0500
From: "vegan" <vegan@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: OTR Convention Sites

I've seen mention of OTR Conventions in Newark & Cincinatti. Since Florida
is such a popular retirement site, I was wondering if any are ever held
here, are scheduled to be held here, and if so, where and when?
R. Dezendorf            "Near the Suwannee River"

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 14:00:54 -0500
From: "Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@[removed];
To: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Cost Adjustments

Hal Stone pondered:  How much do you think that $[removed] a month
apartment would cost in todays dollars?

According to the Columbia Journalism Review's inflation adjustor
([removed])
$30 US in 1945 is equivilant to $300 today.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:23:48 -0500
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: re  Arsenic and Old Lace on TV

Mark Higgins asked [-->nice e-mail address, Mark!]
I recall a version of the play done for television in the late 60's
(I'm almost positive that it was 1969).  My guess is that it was
Hallmark Hall of Fame.  I believe that Bob Crane starred as Mortimer
Brewster, and the part of Jonathan was played by Fred Gwynne (again
following in Karloff's footsteps - Gwynne played the Frankensteinish
part of Herman Munster on "The Munsters").  I wonder if anyone else
recalls this version.

Yes, I do remember that version, a little.  The character of Mortimer
was rewritten to make him a "television critic" and there was a scene
in which he just sat down in a chair to "work" watching a TV special
of some kind; the rewrite had Crane sit there and make "Now, see
that!" remarks at the set, while other action was going on behind him.
Otherwise, I only remember Lillian Gish and Helen Hayes taking their
bows at the end, still in character.
I don't recall that this merited the term "classic" but of course I've
not seen it in 33 years and it might look better today.
John Henley

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:35:39 -0500
From: "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Night the Fog Came In

Randy wrote:

I need a little help in tracking down a show ... THE NIGHT THE FOG
CAME(really creepy) ... and THE MASK OF AJOR. can anyone help me find the
the show i am am looking for?

These are episodes of "The Halls of Fantasy" from 1953:
- The Night the Fog Came In - 3/23/53
- The Mask of Ajor - 3/9/53

Unfortunately I don't have either of these shows.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:36:06 -0500
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Churchill Imitated on Radio!

The Washington Post has caught on to the British version of The March of
Time.  Apparently, the most famous "recordings" of Winston Churchill's
"Blood, Sweat, Toil & Tears," speech are actually an actor hired to imitate
the PM for British radio broadcasts, as there was no recording equipment in
the House of Commons where the speech was delivered.

Not surprising to anyone on this list - but interesting that it would be
noted in a major [removed] newspaper in 2002.

The newspaper, by the way, did a very interesting job with the coverage,
noting both historical sources and modern reactions.

For the purposes of a review (**ahem**) I cite the following passage of the
March 26 article by Peter Carlson in application of the fair use provision of
the copyright laws.

"Reading Christopher Hitchens's erudite and entertaining Atlantic magazine
cover story on Winston Churchill and his many biographers, I was stopped in
mid-article by a revelation that left me slack-jawed:

The inspiring recordings we've all heard of Churchill's stirring wartime
speeches -- "blood, toil, tears and sweat" and "we shall fight on the
beaches" -- were not delivered by Churchill but by Norman Shelley, a BBC
radio actor hired to impersonate him.

Good lord, can this really be true? Or is Hitchens, a writer who delights in
toppling icons, pulling our leg? I called Hitchens, who swore he was telling
the truth and cited several sources for this revelation. Still skeptical, I
checked his sources (and others) and found that Hitchens is right. The story
-- widely reported in England but underplayed on this side of the Atlantic --
goes like this:

Churchill wrote those famous speeches and delivered them in the House of
Commons in the dark days after Dunkirk. But Commons did not have recording
equipment in 1940, and Churchill permitted Shelley to impersonate him and
deliver the speeches over the BBC. Recordings of Shelley's versions were
later released on record as Churchill's speeches. (After the war, Churchill
did make recordings of many of his famous speeches.)

What was Shelley's day job? He played Winnie-the-Pooh on the BBC's Children's
Hour show."

Very intersting,

Sean Dougherty
Kubelski@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:35:15 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Bob Hastings sings???????

My pal Lee Munsick ended his peon to Bob Hastings saying: " Bob Hastings
is a gem and we all love him.  Just please don't sing again!"

Lee, I think I know what you mean! :-)  In recent months I have come
across one copy each of both of Bob's [removed] children's
LPs he did in the 1950s for RCA Camden "Over 40 of the World's Greatest
Children's Songs" [CAL-1017/CAS-1017(e)] and "45 Songs Children Love to
Sing" [CAL-1038/CAS-1038(e)].  I can report to you all that these
records are truly, er, memorable.  His style is sort of a cross between
William Shatner and Charles Nelson Reilly.

Hal, next time you get a chance to speak to Bob, ask him how much he is
willing to fork over so that I will not have them played to his
unsuspecting public at the Cinc convention?  Of course, I am quite
willing to entertain counter-offers so that the vast throngs would have
an opportunity to be [removed] by these
[removed] records.  Let the bidding commence!!!!!

And Hal, find out what substance Bob was ON when he made these records.
It must have been GOOD stuff!!!

(I think I also have a copy of the album Rosemary Rice also did for
Camden, "The Wonderful World of Children's Songs" (CAL/CAS 1079).)

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

[ADMINISTRIVIA: Um, before we get _too_ far in trashing Bob, let's remember
that he got his start in radio as the, "Twelve Year Old Boy Soprano" on the
National Barn Dance. So people actually _paid_ to sit in the audiance and
hear him sing.  --cfs3]

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:07:52 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Baby Snooks

Gayland Darnell <hankie01@[removed]; wrote:

Does anyone know if there is some hidden, mysterious source for Baby
Snooks, of
or are mosther shows lost for all time?

I have the impression that many Baby Snooks programs are available, but
another source may be old children's records. I don't remember Baby Snooks as
a regular program; it was probably before my time. However, as a child in the
50's I was very familiar with Baby Snooks by way of the playing of Baby
Snooks records on the Saturday morning _No School Today (Big Jon and Sparky)_
program. I don't recall if these were recordings of actual radio shows or if
they were especially recorded as children's records. I suspect the latter
since they included musical numbers that would have seemed out of place on
the show, Fanny Brice's gifts as a singer notwithstanding.

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:08:05 -0500
From: Ron Tilton <octave@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: a bad memory

Regarding Randy's  (bygeorge@[removed]) question in the last digest: The
series containing "The Night  the Fog Came" and "The Mask of Ashor" was
the "Hall of Fantasy", a  1/2 hour Mutual show pitting man against
unexplainable forces. The series specialized in shock endings and ran
for 1 season starting in Jan. '53. As far as I know there were only 24
episodes. The Fog" was episode 12 and the "Mask of Ashor" was #8.

Best Regards,
Ron Tilton
octave@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:09:01 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 1933 A&A Episode Summaries Now Available

"Amos 'n' Andy" enthusiasts will now find detailed plot summaries for
episodes aired during 1933 at the "A&A -- The First Decade" section of my
"Amos 'n' Andy In Person" website.

1933 may have been the peak year for the program, in terms of both
characterization and dramatic sophistication. The major storyline of the
year ran for nearly seven months, and focused on the abrasive efficiency
expert F. M. Gwindell -- a storyline which led to the closing of the Okey
Hotel and a major crisis for Andy and Madam Queen. Other major events of
the year included a vacation trip to the Chicago World's Fair, Andy's
involvement with Eula Jimson and her family, the "Curse" of Prince Ali
Bendo, Ruby Taylor's decision to leave Amos behind in New York to take a
new job and attend nursing school in Virginia, and the opening of the
Fresh Air Garage.

Summaries for 1934 are in the course of preparation, and will probably be
ready for posting sometime by mid-summer.

The URL for the plot summaries remains
[removed]~[removed].

Elizabeth

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:09:16 -0500
From: "william mahan" <wmahan@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: New pic of the Jordans

As soon as I read welsa's message I went right to the web site and zoomed in
on the picture of Fibber and Molly.  I thought it was great!!  Then it
struck me this was odd behavior from an advocate for the virtues of the
theater of the mind.  I should have been content with my own image of Fibber
and Molly?

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:09:48 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Script Security

Hal wrote:
It had something to do with script "security". In all the years we did
"Archie'..I never had to turn in my script after a broadcast.

Probably not a bad thing depending upon the popularity of the show
nowadays. I just saw an original Shadow script from a forties episode
written by Alfred Bester go for over $[removed] on eBay. Not sure if it was
worth it or who might buy it in the future. Perhaps it was a combination of
the author and the show!

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:10:06 -0500
From: "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Phorums

I have to apologize to listers and to Charlie for not putting a URL for the
OTR Forums. I have gotten several requests from people not knowing what or
where they are. Go here:
[removed]
and look up the large variety of shows and characters you can talk about and
learn more about. I found out about the Digest through the Forums and I have
had a lot of fun with them over the years. Yet more kudos to Mr. Summers for
bringing us so much to entertain us in our pursuits.
Best,
Steve

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