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>                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
>                                  Volume 2001 : Issue 388
>                             A Part of the [removed]!
>                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

>                                     Today's Topics:

>      Glenn Miller/Andy Mansfield/McCoy Re  [ "Marty" <martyd@[removed]; ]
>      Re: A&A Friday Night Minstrels        [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
>      Re: MP3 players                       [ "[removed]" <swells@[removed]; ]
>      RE: Cataloging Your Collection        [ Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed]; ]
>      Amos 'n' Andy stuff                   [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
>      Big Jon and No School [removed]        [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
>      Q. about Jughead's Voice              [ David Martin <dbmartin5@[removed]; ]
>      Favorite yule show                    [ Richard Carpenter <sinatra@ragingbu ]
>      War of the Worlds site                [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
>      Re: Big Jon and Sparkie               [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
>      Re: Big Jon and Sparkie again         [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
>      Re: Apex DVD Player                   [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
>      Fibber's 1942 Christmas               [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
>      the Emerson HD7088 MP3 player         [ Bob Noble <bobnoble@[removed]; ]
>      Re: Printing Labels                   [ Christopher Werner <cwerner@globalc ]
>      Re: Regional Sponsorship              [ OTRChris@[removed] ]

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:52:03 -0500
>     From: "Marty" <martyd@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Glenn Miller/Andy Mansfield/McCoy Reels

>     I am looking for a copy of "The Glenn Miller Story" Andy Mansfield
>     produced years back.  It was on AFRTS as an 18-part series.  I was told
>     this was, at one time, available from Pat McCoy, reels #2037 & #2038.

>     Any info would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you!

>     Marty
>     martyd@[removed]

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:57:25 -0500
>     From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
>     To: <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: Re: A&A Friday Night Minstrels

>     Harlan Zinck wrote:

> >     And yet another rarity: "The Mystic Knights of the Sea Friday Night
> >     Minstrel Show," a short-lived attempt by NBC to broaden the horizons of
> >     "Amos 'n' Andy" and bring them into a semi-variety format. Only two of
> >     these programs are known to exist and here's one of them, sponsored by
> >     Pepsodent and benefiting the Harlem Community Fund.

>     Not only are there only two programs known, only two were broadcast
>     before the idea was abandoned. I'm not positive whose idea the "Friday
>     Night Minstrel Show" was -- but it was most likely a joint idea of Gosden
>     and Basil Loughrane, the agency supervisor for Lord and Thomas. 1936 was
>     a very unsettled year for A&A, with a lot of experimentation in the
>     storylines to try and find something that could spur the sagging ratings
>     -- and the experimentation with a variety format once a week was deemed
>     worth a try. There was precedent for this: Lum and Abner had done
>     something very similar in 1933 with their "Friday Night Sociables," and
>     in fact Correll and Gosden had done a weekly "WMAQ Minstrels" variety
>     series during 1928-29, coinciding with the first year of the A&A serial.
>     (I don't believe they actually appeared *as* Amos and Andy in that
>     series, however.)

> >     The Mystic Knights of the Sea Friday Night Minstrel Show  November 4, 1936
> >     (#901) (15:30) NBC - broadcast 10:15 to 10:30 PM

>     The date on this one should actually be 12/4/36 -- the only two "Friday
>     Night Minstrel" broadcasts were 12/4 and 12/11/36. The idea was supposed
>     to resume in January 1937, after Correll and Gosden made their annual
>     winter trip to California, but for whatever reason, it didn't happen. It
>     may be that there were logistical problems -- or it may be that Gosden
>     simply got tired of trying to find ways to work the shows into the
>     continuity of the regular series. (The weeks leading up to the 12/4 and
>     12/11 shows revolved around the backstage efforts at the lodge hall as
>     the members put the shows together.)

>     The "#901" is not the program number -- A&A was up to the 2400s in
>     episode numbers by December 1936. Most likely it's the NBC Electrical
>     Transcription Division label number assigned to the recording. The time
>     indicates that this is the "second show," broadcast for Chicago and
>     points west. I believe the recording in the NBC-LOC collection is the
>     Eastern broadcast, so there might be noticeable differences in the
>     performance.

>     This program is very significant in that it's the first time Correll and
>     Gosden broadcast before a live studio audience, and they were both
>     nervous wrecks before going on the air: while they had done plenty of
>     personal-appearance stage shows, in all the years they had been on the
>     air, they had rigidly enforced a strict privacy rule for actual
>     broadcasts, and this was the first time that rule was ever broken.

>     Although the program was actually broadcast from Merchandise Mart in
>     Chicago, it did in fact benefit the Harlem Community Fund -- a collection
>     was taken up among the studio audience members, and was supplemented by a
>     personal donation from Correll and Gosden. The second program in the
>     series was done on behalf of Christmas Seals on the same basis.

>     In addition to Correll and Gosden, you can also hear Elinor Harriot as
>     "Mandy" in Frank Parker's guest performance of the song by that name, and
>     Terry Howard as "Pun'kin," the little orphan girl Andy had taken in
>     during the fall of 1936 -- she's the little girl who chirps "what'd you
>     say mister?" (her catchphrase) as Basil Loughrane reads the NBC system
>     cue at the end of the show. Also heard are The Four Vagabonds -- an
>     excellent black rhythm quartet regularly featured on "The Breakfast Club"
>     -- and Joseph Gallicchio's orchestra.

>     A picture taken from backstage during the actual broadcast of this show
>     -- snapped just as Correll and Gosden were stepping to the microphone
>     after being introduced -- can be seen at
>     [removed]~[removed]

>     Elizabeth

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 20:57:11 -0500
>     From: "[removed]" <swells@[removed];
>     To: <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: Re: MP3 players

>        Bryan stated last time:

> >     Next on my list: A DVD player that will play MP3
> >     CDs, one that I can make part of my stereo system. Any suggestions?

>        Well, I am a big supporter of the Soul Player by AVC (
>     [removed] ) it will play about anything I throw at it and it has
>     the audio out-jacks for the home stereo, displays ID tags, might even
>     whistle a tune , :)  In my humble opinion, if you have the reciept to your
>     Rio, I would run back to the store and return it. I think that the Soul
>     Player is only marketed on the net. Anyway, you can't go wrong with it.
>     Shawn

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:38:14 -0500
>     From: Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: RE: Cataloging Your Collection

>     Joe Salerno asks:

> >     What databases have you discovered for cataloging an OTR collection? I am

>     open to

> >     suggestions.

>     To catalog the Archives collection of first generation shows - now
>     numbering about 8000 - we use an Excel spreadsheet. It has many advantages,
>     in that the data can be easily duplicated, exported to other programs,
>     rearranged to create reports, and easily exported to Pagemaker to create CD
>     labels or other Windows-based applications for other purposes. We also
>     expect that, as the years go by, the data will be easily exportable to more
>     advanced programs - which is a major consideration for any individual or
>     organization that catalogs this extensively.

>     I imagine we record far more data than the average collector has the time
>     or interest to track, but here are the categories we use:

>     ARCHIVE NUMBER
>     The unique number assigned to each entry, which follows the show throughout
>     the preservation and restoration process

>     REVISED
>     The date on which the data was originally entered

>     SCAN
>     A hyperlink to our website, where scans of all the disk labels are made
>     available for viewing

>     RAW
>     Whether we currently have an unprocessed, unrestored, direct-from-disk CD
>     copy or not

>     CEDAR
>     Whether the raw copy has now been run through CEDAR processing to create a
>     WAV file from which the restored version will later be made

>     RESTORED
>     Whether the processed show has since been restored by a senior technician

>     LABELS
>     Whether a label has yet been laid-out, printed, and applied to the CD (The
>     master CDs we use to make circulating copies are not labeled, just
>     identified by an Archive number written on the disc with a CD-safe marker.)

>     LIBRARY
>     Whether a show has been added to one of our CD libraries

>     RR
>     Whether a show has been added to a Round Robin CD collection and, if so,
>     which one

>     OWE CD
>     To whom we owe a copy of the CD and in what form (raw or restored or both)
>     - this is usually the person from whom we obtained the original recording

>     GENERATION
>     The known generation of the recording, usually first generation

>     ET-CD/REEL
>     In what form we obtained the program (from a transcription, from a CD, or

    >from a reel)

>     SHOW
>     The name of the program, such as "Suspense"

>     DAY
>     The day of the week on which the show was originally broadcast

>     DATE
>     The broadcast date

>     TITLE
>     The show title, such as "Sorry, Wrong Number"

>     AUTHOR
>     The author of the program, such as Lucille Fletcher

>     TIME
>     The running time of the show, normally 30:00 or 60:00 in first cataloging,
>     later entered more exactly once the restoration is completed (29:40, for
>     instance)

>     QUALITY
>     Based on the condition of the source material, sometimes later modified
>     when restored (a disk in VG- condition can become an EX show once CEDARed
>     and digitally restored)

>     NETWORK
>     CBS, NBC, LOCAL, SYND, AFRS, Public Service, etc.

>     COMMERCIAL
>     Roma Wine commercials, for instance

>     ACTORS
>     Agnes Moorehead, Joseph Kearns, etc.

>     COMMENTS
>     Generally helpful stuff like "linecheck recorded by Radio Recorders for
>     CBS/KNX Los Angeles" or "16" lacquer glass-based"

>     SOURCE
>     The person we obtained the show from, either through purchase, trade, or loan

>     RESTRICTIONS
>     Sometimes lenders will place distribution restrictions on the show, such as
>     "do not release until four months after restored version sent to lender."
>     This reminds us of the restrictions placed on the show when the lending
>     agreement was signed, prior to borrowing the disks.

>     MATRIX#
>     Any pertinent disk numbers, such as 101951-1 MS 101951. Information like
>     this can later be compared with network and/or recording studio records to
>     determine when the disk was recorded and/or pressed. (If you're curious and
>     willing, Dr. Biel, these numbers are for a 16" NBC syndication pressing of
>     the "Ford V-8 Revue," program #32 with Ferde' Grofe, possibly recorded for
>     extension spotting and dating from the mid-1930's. Based on the numbers
>     listed, what else can you tell me about this disk?)

>     ET NOTATIONS IN RUNOUT
>     Any additional useful information that was scratched into the center
>     portion of the disk

>     ET SIDES
>     How many disk sides the show was contained on - 2, in the case of most
>     half-hour shows recorded at 33 1/3 on 16" disks

>     As I said, this is pretty elaborate and likely far more than a hobbyist
>     would care to keep track of. But it is all useful information, flexibly
>     stored for future applications, and it has served us well to enter all this
>     data whenever we add a show to our collection.

>     Harlan

>     Harlan Zinck
>     First Generation Radio Archives
>     [removed]

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:39:09 -0500
>     From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Amos 'n' Andy stuff

>     We were in an antique store yesterday.  On display was a framed collection
>     of movie clippings that someone had put together.  On one was Freeman Gosden
>     and Charles Correll hiking toward the camera, carrying shotguns and several
>     turkeys that they'd dispatched therewith.  They looked fairly young in the
>     picture, which I think was from the 1940's (I have to go back there tomorrow
>     to pick up an enormous sideboard that Natalie couldn't live without, so I'll
>     have another look at the date.)

>     All of which got me thinking: are there any videos of "Calvin and the
>     Colonel" extant, and would they give otherwise uninformed kids a good idea
>     of what the radio or TV series was like?  I think that just the sound track
>     would likely be adequate, actually.

>     M Kinsler
>     512 E Mulberry St. Lancaster, Ohio USA 740 687 6368
>     [removed]~kinsler

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:39:26 -0500
>     From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
>     To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: Big Jon and No School [removed]

>     Thanks, Jan Bach, for your input on the subject of Big Jon & Sparkie/No
>     School Today.
>        I have wondered about the dramatic records used, also.  The few shows
>     that I have are announced as Tailspinners productions.  Would be interesting
>     to find tapes of some of those excellent programs from discs.  The "No
>     School Today" shows I have include the stories of Columbus, 3 Musketeers,
>     Davy Crockett, and Robin Hood.  There were some other record companies in
>     the past that produced drama for records, one was Enrichment Records.
>        That opens a whole new area for collectors.  I already have my living
>     room full of cassette storage shelves, I guess that's [removed]

>     Ted Kneebone
>     1528 S. Grant St., Aberdeen, SD 57401 / 605-226-3344
>     OTR:  [removed]

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:40:03 -0500
>     From: David Martin <dbmartin5@[removed];
>     To: <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: Q. about Jughead's Voice

>     After hearing an episode of Archie, I wish to ask Mr. Stone how close was the
>     Jughead voice to his own,  Also, how hard was it to keep that voice for an
>     entire program.  Eg. without going out of character.

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:40:47 -0500
>     From: Richard Carpenter <sinatra@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Favorite yule show

>      My favorite OTR Christmas show, which I play every holiday season, is
>     Reader's Digest's "Room for a Stranger," starring Frank Sinatra. It's about a
>     serviceman who runs into all kinds of problems trying to see his girlfriend,
>     however briefly, on Christmas. Love conquers all, thanks to the kindness of
>     strangers, and Sinatra imparts the perfect "aw gee" quality to this tale,
>     which I believe is based on a true story. You can find it on Radio Spirits'
>     "Sinatra and Friends" 20-tape collection, and perhaps other places, too.

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 23:38:46 -0500
>     From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: War of the Worlds site

>     Usual disclaimers about accuracy apply.  I have not visited the site listed.

>     [removed]
>     A historical perspective on the Orson Welles radio broadcast of the the
>     War of the Worlds show.

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:18:30 -0500
>     From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Re: Big Jon and Sparkie

>     One of the tapes I received from Big Jon, explained how Sparkie's voice was
>     recorded. I'm am trying to find it, but here is what I remember.

>     The tape was not doubled. The engineer used a Magnacord tape record. As Jon
>     Arthur explained on the tape, the speed was about 50% faster. So if he
>     recorded it at 7 1/2 ips it was played back at a speed closer to 11 ips,
>     not 15 ips.

>     He said they did this by sliding some kind of cover over the capstan.

>     I've got to find this second tape letter. He went into a lot of technical
>     detail, plus gave me the names of the people he worked with.

>     If I didn't mention it before, I meet Big Jon at WQAM when he was in Miami
>     for a personal appearance. He mentioned my name over the air on one of the
>     shows. Then I started sending him tape letters and he responded to two of
>     them. One is up on my web site. The other is hiding from me at the moment,
>     but I WILL find it.

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:18:48 -0500
>     From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Re: Big Jon and Sparkie again

>     I believe that the broadcast as done live or at least recorded live.

>     During some of the shows, Big Jon will ask Sparkie a question and then when
>     you don't hear Sparkie's voice he will start to ad lib and suddenly in
>     comes Sparkie's voice and Big Jon will laugh.

>     He may have done some of the shows from his home. I remember him starting
>     one of the tapes to me by saying that he was recording this from his house
>     and then go on to tell me what equipment he had.

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:19:10 -0500
>     From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Re: Apex DVD Player

>     Apex makes a DVD player that also plays back MP3. This is the reason I
>     purchased one about a year ago. Although it will not play back files
>     sampled at 22. They show up on the TV monitor, but don't play.

>     Several other companies are now making DVD/MP3 players, but I don't have
>     any experience with them.

>     At 06:04 PM 12/5/01 -0500, you wrote:

> >     Next on my list: A DVD player that will play MP3 CDs, one that I can make
> >     part of my stereo system. Any suggestions?

>     Fred
>     For the best in Old Time Radio Shows [removed]
>     New e-commerce page [removed]

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:19:36 -0500
>     From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Fibber's 1942 Christmas

>     Hello.  Al Girard, are you out there?  I have no idea where the 1942 show
>     of Fibber doing the Christmas song for the first time can be found, but I
>     have it in mp3 so it must be on tape somewhere.  I got it from Al's
>     excellent site so maybe he has a source?  If it is popular enough I will
>     upload it to an ftp site for all to hear.  It is a very good show and I
>     think it is the best of the 1940's Fibber Christmas shows.

>     I just finished listening to the 12-20-47 Truth or Consequences show.  This
>     has to be one of the most touching shows I have ever heard and if you have
>     it in your collection I encourage you to listen to it, especially in this
>     time of war.  Very, very good show.  Maybe it is scripted but I would
>     rather believe it is not.  No, I am not going to spoil it but I have that
>     in mp3 also.  I am looking for that or any other quiz shows on tape if
>     anyone has them.  If you want any of these shows in mp3, write me privately.

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:19:59 -0500
>     From: Bob Noble <bobnoble@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: the Emerson HD7088 MP3 player

>     Hi all

>     Boy! I got several emails from some of my fellow OTR lovers asking about
>     the Emerson MP3 player, and I'm glad to help out as much as I can. I
>     thought it might be a good idea to condense some of the emails and post
>     them here, in case some others are wondering about this unit, but didn't
>     bother to write me separately.

>     First, a disclamer: let me state I have no stock in Emerson, so I'm not
>     getting a penny promoting the unit.

>     One person wanted to know if it would handle Adaptec CD disks. I don't
>     even know what they are, but this thing seems to be quite flexible, so
>     I'm guessing it will. Best approach: bring your MP3 disk into Wal-Mart
>     and ask if you can play it on their shelf model. Most stores will let
>     you do this, so they won't have to deal with returned models which don't
>     work for the customer.

>     Another wanted to know if it would play 24Kbps tracks. I have my doubts
>     about this, but again it's the same suggestion: bring one in and try it
>     out.

>     One writer said he could not find the player at his local Wal-Mart and
>     also said the store was not much help. He probably got hold of a
>     Xmas-season temporary help worker. I'm in the northeastern [removed], and
>     have seen these units in several stores. If you don't find them locally,
>     write an email to Wal-Mart from the contact link on the company's web
>     site.

>     And finally, although I was unable to read it, perhaps because I use a
>     Mac with an older browser version, you might have luck checking out the
>     Emerson website: [removed]

>     There may be a contact email address and/or a toll-free number you can
>     call to get info. I can't say, because I can't read this url.

>     Yesterday a friend gave me an MP3 CD with all 19 Beatles albums on it.
>     244 songs in all! And the unit played them beautifully. And previously
>     the only songs it had played were sung by Kenny Baker or played by Phil
>     Harris' orchestra. I guess it can do it all!

>     --Bob

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 09:25:43 -0500
>     From: Christopher Werner <cwerner@[removed];
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Re: Printing Labels

>     In response to Fred Berney's question, I've used MySoftware's My Deluxe
>     Label Maker software for years to label my cassettes (OTR and otherwise).
>     It provides a visual layout of the printable area, the ability to add a
>     graphic (logo), and takes input from a database. It accepts csv,
>     tab-seperated, and I think db2 format directly - you just map the data
>     column to the internal data field name. It is not that expensive (less than
>     $100) and ties into their mailing list management and address/zip
>     management software rather nicely (one of a few that are sanctioned by the
>     USPS for address accuracy checking). I [removed] the program is pre-loaded
>     with the dimensions of Avery, NEBS, and 4 other brands of labels. All of
>     them. You can also customize the printing.

>     I have only two 'gripes' about the program. They don't document the field
>     widths of their internal data field names so one must create a 'cheat
>     sheet' of each field type to assure your mapped field will not be truncated
>     and be of the right format (number vs text). Of course once you do this the
>     setup is easy.

>     The second problem occurred when I purchased Norelco case liners from NBS
>     ([removed]) to properly label the cases with more than a number. The sheet
>     is 8x12 and the program only handles 8-1/2 x 11. These labels/cards also
>     need a borderless printer (I just purchased an Epson 285EX which is one)
>     and I'm hoping I can convince the program to print without borders. It
>     depends if the program reads the printer setup data/driver or not. Sigh.
>     There's always [removed]

>     But for cassettes it works great. Both Laser and Inkjet. But you will find
>     the commercial label prices much higher than your pin-feed materials were.
>     Unless you want to create a custom label.

>     Happy printing.

>     Chris

>     At 06:04 PM 12/5/2001 -0500, Fred Berney wrote:

> >     As long as we are talking about database for cataloging, what about printing.

> >     I wrote a basic program that will print dot matrix labels (pin feed).
> >     However, I've rather use a laser printer and was wondering if there is
> >     anything out there that will let you put all the information into some kind
> >     of database and then just enter the tape numbers and it prints out the labels.

> >     The program I wrote does exactly that, but I can't figure out a way to
> >     modify it for a laser printer.

> >     The way my program works it to store all the information into DATA
> >     statements. One of the statements is the label number. Then when you run
> >     the program, you just enter a number and it prints the label. You can
> >     specify which sides and how many labels.

> >     It is a neat little program, but it only works in basic and with pin feed
> >     labels. It would be handy to find a similar program that printed laser labels.

> >     Right now we are using a Word Processor, but that requires a few more steps.

> >     ------------------------------

>     ------------------------------

>     Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 12:25:06 -0500
>     From: OTRChris@[removed]
>     To: <[removed]@[removed];
>     Subject: Re:  Regional Sponsorship

>     12-06-2001

>     I was just [removed]

>     I realize that because of the time zone difference many west coast shows
>     were established to fill vacant evening time periods in the Pacific Time Zone
>     ( these west coast shows were a mix of sustaining and sponsored).  However, I
>     have often seen cases where western shows were established to fill the air
>     time with a sponsored program when the national feed was a sustaining program
>     . As an example: At 10:30 PM the netork (CBS in this case) would broadcast a
>     sustaining program to their Eastern audience (ESCAPE) while the western
>     audience was hearing the  regionally sponsored
>     Whistler  program (Signal Oil ).
>     Of course it was nice to be able to sell the time  on your western stations
>     but I wondered if this hampered the ability , in the long run , of selling
>     the time on the eastern stations? A national sponsor couldn't step in and get
>     the whole network so only a  sponsor interested in a regional (eastern )
>     hookup would be interested. Perhaps  there would actually be more possible
>     propects for sponsorship with the  limited distribution?

>     -Chris

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