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Date: 10/18/2008 8:14 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2008 : Issue 245
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Cleveland Radio Museum                [ "Tim Lones" <tlones1@[removed]; ]
      The moving finger [removed]           [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      Museums                               [ <radioaz@[removed]; ]
      Cecil and Sally                       [ Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed]; ]
      RE: Fibber's magic radio              [ "W. Harris" <nbcblue@[removed]; ]
      Re:Gil Stratton, Jr.                  [ "Jan Bach" <janbach@[removed]; ]
      Cecil and Sally                       [ papillion17@[removed] ]
      WOTW anniversary. Oops.               [ James Yellen <jjyellen@[removed]; ]
      Good Soupy Sales News                 [ "Kathy O'Connell" <kathy@kidscorner ]
      Bob and Ray - WOR                     [ karl tiedemann <karltiedemann@hotma ]
      10-17 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Re: Commercials Clipped from AFRS Re  [ <georgewagner@[removed]; ]
      Re: Cecil & Sally                     [ rand@[removed] ]
      edie [removed]                         [ Afanofoldradio@[removed] ]
      jack benny tv shows                   [ EDWARD CARR <edcarr@[removed]; ]
      Cimmeron Rolls                        [ Bryan Jensen <zr702@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:58:06 -0400
    From: "Tim Lones" <tlones1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cleveland Radio Museum

    In the last few months, a Cleveland (Ohio) Radio Museum has opened, in
    conjunction with Cleveland's Baseball Heritage [removed] Cleveland's
    Historic Colonial Arcade on Eulclid Avenue Downtown ..Not a lot to it yet,
    and it mostly focuses on the 40's to the 70's, but it has a lot of
    potential.

    Here is a report from WTAM-1100 Radio on the Museum

    [removed];article=3828023

    Tim Lones

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:59:56 -0400
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The moving finger [removed]

     From: James Yellen _jjyellen@[removed]_ (mailto:jjyellen@[removed])

>     As we  approach the 6oth anniversary of the famous Orson Welles broadcast of
>     WAR OF  THE WORLDS

    70th, Jim - as noted by several groups around the counrty doing recreations
    (God, please don't let any of them camp it up, as I saw a theater group do at
    a  benefit here in NYC a few years [removed])

    Best,
    -Craig W.

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:00:02 -0400
    From: <radioaz@[removed];
    To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Museums

    We mustn't forget the Pavek Museum in St. Louis Park, Minnesota (suburb of
    Minneapolis.)  Its specialty is broadcasting.

    Ted

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:01:25 -0400
    From: Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cecil and Sally

    George, I'm sitting on about 100 episodes of the program. My garage
    holds a box that looks like the crate in Raiders of the Lost Ark,
    which contains the 12" discs of the program.

    The program originated from San Francisco. Do a Google search and you
    will find a picture of the two actors, plus some information on the program.

    Two other collectors and myself are working on attempting to transfer
    all the disc of the show onto CDs. I think we have access to almost
    all the discs.

    This is a project that got started a few years ago and hopefully will
    be completed sometime next year.

    Basically it is a 15 minute syndicated program about a very young man
    and woman. It starts about the time they are in college and follows
    them through their married life.

    The stories could be considered standard soap opera type, but then
    there is a time when the two meet what could be called a vampire. So,
    the scripts tend to hold your interest.

    Fred
    Check us out for old time radio & TV shows & Movie Serials
    [removed]

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: An episode of Cecil and Sally supplied by Fred is available
    for your enjoyment on the blog at [removed]  --cfs3]

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:01:31 -0400
    From: "W. Harris" <nbcblue@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE: Fibber's magic radio
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    I finally located the tape I have of Fibber's magic radio. The title on the
    tape is "Radio's Super Stars,  Host - Fibber McGee and Molly. The opening
    scene features Fibber and Molly and starts off with FIbber fooling with his
    old radio and using the McGee theory of "radiodyanetics" (something he thought
    up), is modifying the radio to tune in broadcast of past years. I don't have a
    date on the tape but Fibber claims to Molly that he can make the radio tune in
    programs from 25 years ago.
    One of the programs he tunes in, is NBC in Kansas City in 1926, Coon Sanders
    and his Night Hawks.

    Bill H.

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:01:43 -0400
    From: "Jan Bach" <janbach@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:Gil Stratton, Jr.

    Hello again --

    Among the memories recently recalled by OTRers about Gil Stratton's radio
    and tv career, I haven't seen a mention of his starring role on "That's My
    Son," a 1954 tv series with Eddie Mayehoff, who played an ex-pro football
    player trying to get his bookworm son -- Gil Stratton  -- interested in that
    sport or any other. As a bookworm and class-a nerd myself, I identified
    strongly with Stratton's character, only learning much later that he was
    probably more keenly interested in sports than Mayehoff or any of the other
    characters on the show!
    BTW, Keith Olbermann gave Gil a nice tribute on his "Countdown" show earlier
    this week, remarking on his long radio career.

    Jan Bach

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:01:52 -0400
    From: papillion17@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cecil and Sally

    I have been working on this series on and off for a while. I like it although
    many people may find it to be a rather simpleminded show. At first I was
    convinced that Cecil was played by Arthur Lake (Dagwood Bumstead). I was of
    course, wrong about that but I still think it sounds like him. The following
    is some information I have uncovered on the series. Some of it is redundant
    but it was just in my folder until I have a chance to streamline it into a
    nice little article. Anyways, just thought I'd share it here.

    Doug

    In the late 1920s, companies sprang up across America for the purpose of
    recording music and programs which could be sold, or syndicated, to a number
    of local stations in distant cities. For example, a San Francisco firm called
    MacGregor & Sollie, Inc., produced the "Cecil and Sally Eps" radio program.
    It was mailed on large electrical transcription discs (ETs) to many radio
    stations which could plug Cecil and Sally into their local schedule at a
    convenient time. WKAV in Laconia, New Hampshire was one such subscriber; in
    1931 WKAV was under contract to pay MacGregor & Sollie $[removed] for each
    episode over a 26 week run.

    Johnny Patrick * and Helen Troy *
    Parlayed screwball "Cecil & Sally" comedy serial into one of the first
    nationally-syndicated transcribed (pre-recorded) programs, beginning in 1928
    at KYA before moving to KPO and NBC.

    John Patrick (May 17, 1905 - November 7, 1995) was an American playwright and
    screenwriter.

    Born John Patrick Goggan in Louisville, Kentucky, his parents soon abandoned
    him and he spent a delinquent youth in foster homes and boarding schools. At
    age 19, he secured a job as an announcer at KPO Radio in San Francisco,
    California, marrying Mildred Legaye in 1925. He wrote over one thousand
    scripts for the Cecil and Sally Show broadcast by NBC between 1929 and 1933.
    In 1937, Patrick wrote adaptations for NBC's Streamlined Shakespeare series,
    guest-starring Helen Hayes.

    "Cecil and Sally" were the air names of Johnny Patrick and Helen Troy, who
    developed the musical comedy routine while working together at KYA in 1928.
    The serial program debuted on the West Coast connection of the short-lived
    ABC network, and moved to KPO and NBC after the former network went bankrupt
    in 1929. Patrick wrote the scripts and sang; Troy sang and played the piano
    and organ. Her character, "Sally," endeared herself to West Coast listeners
    with her girlish lisp, referring to her partner as "Theethil."

    The program ran on NBC until 1933, and was among the earliest radio shows to
    be nationally syndicated via electronic transcription - large, long-playing
    phonograph discs - by MacGregor & Ingram, a pioneering recording company.

    Johnny Patrick (born John Patrick Goggan in 1905) wrote more than a thousand
    scripts for "Cecil and Sally" during its run. A successful playwright and
    Hollywood screenwriter following his early years in radio, he adapted Vern J.
    Sneider's novel "The Teahouse of the August Moon" for the stage in 1953,
    which earned him a Pulitzer Prize and a Tony Award. In 1956, he wrote the
    screenplay for the motion picture version of "Teahouse," which starred Marlon
    Brando and Glenn Ford.

    Patrick also wrote the screenplays for "Three Coins in the Fountain" (1954),
    "Love Is A Many-Splendored Thing" (1955), "High Society" (1956), "Les Girls"
    (1957), "Some Came Running" (1958), "The World of Suzie Wong" (1960) and "The
    Shoes of the Fisherman" (1968). In later life, he retired to St. Thomas in
    the [removed] Virgin Islands. He died in 1995 at the age of 90.

    San Francisco-born Helen Troy appeared in several radio programs after "Cecil
    and Sally," including the 1937 series "Texaco Town" on the CBS Radio network,
    in which she played the comical "Saymore Saymore." The fast-talking
    comedienne had a brief career in motion pictures, making her film debut in
    George M. Cohan's "Song and Dance Man" (playing a character named "Sally," no
    less) and playing alongside such stars as Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland in
    "Thoroughbreds Don't Cry" (1937) and Spencer Tracy in "Big City" (1937). She
    died at the age of 38 in 1942.

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:02:10 -0400
    From: James Yellen <jjyellen@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  WOTW anniversary. Oops.
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    Is my face red. Let's see 2008 minus 1938 equals 60, oops no it's 70. I knew
    that. Thanks to Bill and Jim who gave me a heads up on the typo.

    JY

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:02:21 -0400
    From: "Kathy O'Connell" <kathy@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Good Soupy Sales News

    I often hear from listmembers asking to be updated about our good friend
    Soupy Sales.  Since Soupy has not been attending the Friends of Old Time
    Radio Convention, several fans have missed their annual opportunity to
    touch base with this comic legend of TV and radio.
    I have great news.  On October 30, Soupy will be honored at "Brownie
    Speaks," a symposium celebrating and documenting the life, music and
    legacy of jazz great Clifford Brown at the University of the Arts in
    Philadelphia.  The only existing video footage of Brown (who died at the
    age of 25 in 1956) comes from Soupy, who happened to film his nighttime
    Detroit talk show "Soupy's On!" the night that Brown appeared.  A few
    weeks later, Brown died in an automobile accident.  Some of this footage
    appears in Ken Burns' "Jazz" series, and you can glimpse Soupy on drums
    behind guitarist Joe Messina in a clip from "Soupy's On!" used in the
    documentary "Standing in the Shadows of Motown."  For information on
    "Brownie Speaks," go to [removed]
    This is just one of several upcoming events that will honor Soupy's
    contribution to broadcasting history. I'll keep you posted as more
    events are announced!
    Soupy and Trudy send their best regards to all their friends and fans in
    the oldtime radio community.  So do I.  Have a wonderful convention!

    Kathy O'Connell
    WXPN/Philadelphia
    And lifelong Soupy Sales fan

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:04:52 -0400
    From: karl tiedemann <karltiedemann@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Bob and Ray - WOR

    Hello.  Back when I was fearfully young, I discovered, a day or two after the
    event, that Bob and Ray had returned to radio after a hiatus of a few years
    and were filling the drivetime slot on WOR.  For many months thereafter, I
    dedicated myself to recording all of the comedy segments from each day (which
    generally amounted to a half hour of material).  In the years that followed,
    this material was traded and I think has pretty well entered the OTR
    bloodstream.  It now happens that I'm moving a short distance away from where
    I now live and have come across most, if not all, of the seven-inch reels I
    recorded on to.  If anyone would like to have these, I can send them to him.
    (Given my current chaotic state, I can't say exactly when, but probably
    before the new year.)  If there are no takers, I'll probably junk them, but
    since, as I say, it seems that the material has circulated, I don't think
    this will represent much of a loss.

    Thanks.

    Karl Tiedemann ([removed])

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:05:02 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  10-17 births/deaths

    October 17th births

    10-17-1893 - Spring Byington - Colorado Springs, CO - d. 9-7-1971
    actor: Lily Ruskin "December Bride"
    10-17-1903 - Irene Noblette Ryan - El Paso, TX - d. 4-26-1973
    actor: "Tim & Irene Sky Road Show"; "Royal Crown Revue"
    10-17-1905 - Claude Binyon, Sr. - Chicago, IL - d. 2-14-1978
    screenwriter: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-17-1905 - Jean Arthur - NYC - d. 6-19-1991
    actor: "Ford Theatre"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-17-1909 - Minnabelle Abbott - Covington, KY - d. 10-9-1981
    actor: Mary Sothern "The Life of Mary Sothern"
    10-17-1910 - Florence Williams - St. Louis, MO - d. 3-30-1995
    actor: Anne Cameron "Barry Cameron"; Sally Farrell "Front Page Farrell"
    10-17-1910 - George W. Briggs, Jr. - Taunton, MA - d. 12-7-1994
    staff pianist and arranger for WBZ radio
    10-17-1912 - Jack Owens - Tulsa, OK - d. 1-26-1982
    vocalist: Cruising Crooner "The Breakfast Club"; "Tin Pan Alley"
    10-17-1914 - Jerry Siegel - Cleveland , OH - d. 1-21-1996
    co-creator (with Joe Shuster): "Advs. of Superman"
    10-17-1915 - Arthur Miller - NYC - d. 2-10-2005
    writer: "Cavalcade of America"; "The Doctor Fights"
    10-17-1917 - Marsha Hunt - Chicago, IL
    actor: Blanche Bickerson "Charlie McCarthy Show"; "Document A/777"
    10-17-1917 - Sumner Locke Elliott - Sydney, Australia - d. 6-23-1991
    writer: "Jezebel's Daughter"
    10-17-1918 - Rita Hayworth - Brooklyn, NY - d. 5-14-1987
    actor: "Orson Welles Theatre"; "Screen Guild Theatre"; "Bob Elson on
    Board the Century"
    10-17-1920 - Elie Abel - Montreal, Canada - d. 7-22-2004
    journalist: "Meet the Press"; "When Conventions were Coventions"
    10-17-1920 - Montgomery Clift - Omaha, NE - d. 7-23-1966
    actor: "Arthur Hopkins Presents"; "Ford Theatre"
    10-17-1921 - Tom Poston - Columbus, OH - d. 4-29-2007
    comedian: "Arthur Godfrey Show"
    10-17-1922 - Luiz Bonfa - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - d. 1-12-2001
    guitarist: "The Quitandinha Serenaders"
    10-17-1923 - Barney Kessel - Muskogee, OK - d. 5-6-2004
    jazz guitarist: "Jubilee"; "One Night Stand"; "Just Jazz"
    10-17-1926 - Beverly Garland - Santa Cruz, CA
    actor: Worked in radio early in her career
    10-17-1926 - Julie Adams - Waterloo, IA
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-17-1941 - Nicholas Hasluck - Canberra, Australia
    writer: "The Blue Guitar"

    October 17th deaths

    01-05-1942 - Susan Odin - d. 10-17-1975
    actor: "Elizabeth Sharon Ann Barbour "One Man's Family"
    01-13-1885 - Jimmy Monaco - Genoa, Italy - d. 10-17-1945
    orchestra leader: WOR Newark, New Jersey
    02-01-1904 - S. J. Perelman - NYC - d. 10-17-1979
    humorist: "Information, Please"; "Author! Author!"; "Railroad Hour"
    02-03-1918 - Joey Bishop - The Bronx, NY - d. 10-17-2007
    actor: "Monitor's Salute to Jimmy Durante"
    02-13-1919 - "Tennessee" Ernie Ford - Bristol, TN - d. 10-17-1991
    singer: "Tennessee Ernie Ford Show"
    02-19-1910 - Lionel Clouser - Shamokin, PA - d. 10-17-1942
    musician: "The Bob Crosby Show"
    03-03-1902 - Ruby Dandridge - Memphis, TN  - d. 10-17-1987
    actor: Mammy Brown "Gallant Heart"; Geranium "Judy Canova Show"
    03-16-1896 - Arthur Hale - d. 10-17-1971
    announcer, newscaster: "Confidentially Yours"; "The Richfield Reporter"
    03-23-1938 - Christopher Glenn - NYC - d. 10-17-2006
    news correspondent: "World News Roundup"; "The World Tonight"
    03-28-1915 - Jay Livingston - McDonald, PA - d. 10-17-2001
    composer: "Hollywood Calling-George Fisher Interviews"
    04-01-1895 - Alberta Hunter - Memphis, Tn - d. 10-17-1984
    blues singer: "Jazz at the Simthsonian"
    04-10-1902 - Mark Warnow - Monastrischt, Russia - d. 10-17-1949
    conductor: "We, the People"; "Your Hit Parade"
    05-04-1909 - Ed Max - Georgia - d. 10-17-1980
    actor: Mr. Gallagher "Voyage of the Scarlet Queen"
    05-07-1931 - Teresa Brewer - Toledo, OH - d. 10-17-2007
    singer: "Steve Allen Show"; "Major Bowes Amatuer Hour"
    06-12-1901 - Ben Welden - Toledo, OH - d. 10-17-1997
    character actor: "Family Theatre"; "Railroad Hour"; "Roy Rogers Show"
    08-05-1906 - Joan Hickson - Kingsthorpe - England - d. 10-17-1998
    actor: "Strong Poison"
    10-15-1922 - Paul Kasander - Detroit, MI - d. 10-17-2002
    actor: "Challenge of the Yukon"; "Lone Ranger"; "Green Hornet"
    12-11-1911 - Beecher Pete Kirby - Sevierville, TN - d. 10-17-2002
    dobro, guitar, banjo player: (Member Smokey Mountain Boys) "Grand Ole
    Opry"
    12-18-1921 - Chili Williams - Minneapolis, MN - d. 10-17-2003
    actor: "Mail Call"; "Truth or Consequences"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:05:25 -0400
    From: <georgewagner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Commercials Clipped from AFRS Re-Broadcasts

    I've heard AFRS re-broadcasts of Fibber McGee and Molly programs from the
    Johnson Wax years in which the only thing missing from the Glo-Coat
    commercial is a direct reference to the actual product. The rest of the
    integrated commercial remains intact, as a pithy (if essentially pointless)
    little talk on house cleaning.

        But the question I've long had is why AFRS didn't run the commercials.
    The extra income from those alone would have funded the network, with no
    further need to reach into the taxpayers' pockets.

        It's been suggested that this might have required an Act of Congress. But
    enacting those is what Congress DOES.

         Sincerely,

         George Wagner
         georgewagner@[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:05:34 -0400
    From: rand@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Cecil & Sally

    George inquired about Cecil and Sally.

    There's a really nice web page about Cecil and Sally here:

    [removed]

    Short version - Cecil and Sally were Johnny Patrick and Helen Troy.  They
    got their start at KYA in 1928.  Later they were picked up by NBC and
    their show was syndicated by MacGregor & Ingram.  Patrick wrote the
    scripts for the show, producing over a thousand for the series.  He'd go
    on to win a Pulitzer for the stage version of "Tea House of the August
    Moon" and wrote several successful screenplays.

    "Please Stand By", a book on early television history, notes that "Cecil
    and Sally" was broadcast on CBS television in the early 30s for several
    months; CBS was using the mechanical tv system at the time in an early
    experiment.

    I got really excited a few months back when several Cecil and Sally
    syndication discs showed up on that auction site that shall not be named.
    Unfortunately, I was outbid at the last minute.

    Randy

    _________________
    Randy A. Riddle
    Mebane, NC

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:05:56 -0400
    From: Afanofoldradio@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  edie [removed]
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    it has been announced that edie adams has died at 81 from cancer-she was  the
    widow of comic ernie kovacs   ed kienzler    _afanofoldradio@[removed]_
    (mailto:afanofoldradio@[removed])       springfield illinois

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:14:56 -0400
    From: EDWARD CARR <edcarr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  jack benny tv shows

    hi
    i went out and bought the tv shows of jack benny at wal-mart ,and i was
    wondering? anyone out there that doesn't live near a mart and interested in
    the shows, would they like me to pick up a set for them?
    cost just for set $[removed] and post
    email me at edcarr@[removed] if so interested

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:15:14 -0400
    From: Bryan Jensen <zr702@[removed];
    To: OTR <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cimmeron Rolls
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    Thanks to those who answered the question about Jack Benny's "Cimmeron
    Rolls".  Since then I have had several people remember the gag.  It must have
    been memorable for so many people to remember the episodes.  That said, many
    mentioned it was in the early 50's.  How can I go about finding the dates?
    Or if someone knows could you please pass that on.  I don't mind searching
    for the dates but don't know quite how to do it without listening to all the
    shows of the 50's, much as I would like to.
    I want to send that group of shows to my niece in the Air Force.  She has
    joined me in my interest in OTR.
    Thanks once more - OTR folk are the nicest on the net.

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