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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2006 : Issue 364
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Re: Hoagy Carmichael [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
Hoagy Carmichael inthe movies [ "R J Sutton" <jer51473@[removed] ]
Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and OTR [ "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm ]
Re: Fess Mess [ Andrew Steinberg <otrdig2@[removed] ]
12-29 births/deaths [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
Oh NO! More on Fessenden! [ Ken Greenwald <radio@[removed]; ]
Re: Fessenden again [ "R. R. King" <kingrr@[removed]; ]
Hoagy Carmichael-Flintstones [ "Tim Lones" <tlones1@[removed]; ]
Hoagy Carmichael - song writer [ "Frank McGurn" <[removed]@sbcgloba ]
Suspense, Sci-Fi and Cisco [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
Sid Raymond and Duffy's Tavern [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
Sid Raymond [ Allen J Hubin <ajhubin@[removed]; ]
One Man's Family [ Hetitus02@[removed] ]
Bogie, Bacall, and Karen Lerner's so [ "Karen Lerner" <[removed]@[removed] ]
Re: To Have and Have Not [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
Roy & Dale [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
Dale Meets Roy [ JimBourg@[removed] ]
George C. Scott on OTR? [ mikennancy2001@[removed] ]
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:05:04 -0500
From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Hoagy Carmichael
Fun to note, that Ian Fleming, in the James Bond novels, described 007,
as resembling, the [removed]
Best, The Other JB
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:06:25 -0500
From: "R J Sutton" <jer51473@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Hoagy Carmichael inthe movies
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I would think he probably appeared in several movies in addition to "To Have
and Have Not",but the one i can recall is "Canyon Passage", which starred, i
think, Dana Andrews. It was a movie about the pioneer days and Hoagy rode
around on a donkey singing and playing a banjo. The movie introduced his hit
song "Ole Buttermilk Sky" . One of the best screen fights i ever saw took
place in the movie involving Andrews and some tough barroom character played
by,i believe, Ward Bond or someone similar.
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 21:31:05 -0500
From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Gerald Ford, Ronald Reagan and OTR
I remember reading somewhere that in his sportscaster days Ronald Reagan did
the call of a University of Michigan football game in which Gerald Ford was
a player. Does anyone know for sure if this acutally happened as opposed to
being one of those myths about something that "should" have happened.
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:15:42 -0500
From: Andrew Steinberg <otrdig2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Fess Mess
I have found an article in the Oct. 7th, 1915 New York
Times which quotes a letter Reginald Fessenden wrote
to the paper. In the letter, Mr. Fessenden seems to
give a date of 1900 for the first broadcast of speech
by wireless but does not mention a Christmas 1906
broadcast.
The article says in part:
'Reginald A. Fessenden wrote a letter to the paper
which said: "The first actual transmission of speech
by wireless was accomplished in December, 1900. It was
gradually improved until 1905, when it was working for
twenty-five miles and was tendered to the United
States Navy."
...
"But though no sales were allowed , nine years ago, on
Dec. 11, 1906, an exhibition, by invitation, was given
at Grant Rock, near [removed] An account of these
tests will be found in the American Telephone Journal,
written by the editor, who had been present, under
dates of Jan. 26 and Feb. 2, 1907."'
I have a copy of the article for research purposes at:
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To view a listing of misdated/mislabeled OTR shows go
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 22:15:49 -0500
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 12-29 births/deaths
December 29th births
12-29-1879 - Billy Mitchell - Nice, France - d. 2-19-1936
aviator: "The World's Most Honored Flights"
12-29-1892 - Emory Parnell - St. Paul, MN - d. 6-22-1979
actor: Grouch "Grouch Club"; "Eddie Bracken Show"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
12-29-1894 - Harry Lang - NYC - d. 8-3-1953
actor: Mr. Fuddle "Blondie"; Pan Pancho "Cisco Kid"
12-29-1898 - Jules Bledsoe - d. 7-14-1943
baritone: "Jubilee"; "Amalgamated Broadcasting System Inaugural Program"
12-29-1898 - Pat Padgett - Atlanta, GA - d. 2-6-1990
comedian: January "Show Boat"; Pat "Model Minstrels"
12-29-1903 - Clyde McCoy - Ashland, KY - d. 6-11-1990
bandleader: "Clyde McCoy and His Orchestra"
12-29-1904 - Wendell Niles - Twin Valley, MN - d. 3-28-1994
announcer: "Bob Hope Show"; "Man Called X"; "Hollywood Star Playhouse"
12-29-1915 - Robert Ruark - Wilmington, NC - d. 7-1-1965
novelist: "Who Said That?"
12-29-1920 - Viveca Lindfors - Uppsala, Sweden - d. 10-25-1995
actor: "[removed] Steel Hour"
December 29th deaths
01-02-1928 - Howard Caine - Nashville, TN - d. 12-29-1993
actor: "The Brighter Day"; "The Guiding Light"
01-03-1927 - William Boyett - Akron, OH - d. 12-29-2004
actor: Freelance in younger years
01-15-1909 - Gloria Grafton - Yakima, WA - d. 12-29-1994
actor: Mickey Considine "The Jumbo Fire Chief Program"
02-12-1902 - Tom Waring - Tyrone, PA - d. 12-29-1960
composer: (Brother of Fred) "The Fred Waring Show"
03-28-1890 - Paul Whiteman - Denver, CO - d. 12-29-1967
conductor: "Kraft Music Hall"; "George Burns and Gracie Allen Show"
04-19-1897 - Vivienne Segal - Philadelphia, PA - d. 12-29-1992
actor: "Jantzen Radio Program"
06-27-1892 - Robert Ellis - Brooklyn, NY - d. 12-29-1974
actor: Del Tremaine "Arnold Grimm's Daughter"
09-13-1913 - Roy Engel - Missouri - d. 12-29-1980
actor:Schuyler 'Sky' King "Sky King" "NBC University Theatre"
12-13-1920 - Don Taylor - Freeport, PA - d. 12-29-1998
actor: "Indiana School of the Sky"; "Family Theatre"; "Hollywood Star
Preview"
12-14-1894 - Theo Goetz - d. 12-29-1972
actor: Papa Bauer "The Guiding Light"
12-18-1897 - Fletcher Henderson - Cuthbert, GA - d. 12-29-1952
jazz orchestra leader: "Jubilee"; "Magic Carpet"
xx-xx-1928 - Ted McKay - Raised in North Avondale, OH - d. 12-29-2005
talk show host: "Party Line"; Created first talk show on WKRC
Cincinatti in 1955
Ron Sayles
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 23:25:31 -0500
From: Ken Greenwald <radio@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Oh NO! More on Fessenden!
Ah, more fuel to add to the fire!
Here's some more detailed story on Fesseden's first broadcast. This
is a direct quote from Tom Lewis's book EMPIRE OF THE AIR - THE MEN
WHO MADE RADIO. If you have the paperback edition of the book, you
will find this long quote on Page 73 of the book. As follows:
"In the early fall of 1906, Alexanderson's alternator arrived at
Fessenden's station at Brant Rock, Massachusetts. Soon he was
transmitting voices in tests, and by Christmas Eve, he was ready to
give his first broadcast. That night, ship operators and amateurs
around Brant Rock heard the results: "someone speaking!...a woman's
voice rose in song ... Next someone was heard reading a poem."
Fessenden himself played "O Holy Night" on is violin. Though the
fidelity was not all that it might be, listeners were captivated by
the voices and notes they heard. No more would sounds be restricted
to dots and dashes of the Morse code.
Fessenden was in the forefront of the entirely new concept of
"broadcasting," the agricultural term for spreading seed across a
field. For the most part, a wireless transmission had been a coded
telegraph message directed to a single person. Because it traveled on
waves through the air and could be heard by anyone with a receiver
tuned to the proper frequency, the message could never be private.
This was viewed as the chief drawback of wireless systems. Now
Fessenden was exploiting the public character of the medium by
sending sending words of a general nature to a broad audience. To
accommodate this new concept, the word "wireless" soon gave way to
"radio," suggesting the rays of electromagnetic radiating from a
transmitter."
Of course, others soon followed. What I find interesting Tom Lewis
does capture some of the "feeling" and "excitement" that was felt by
those early listeners.
In any case, I thought it was an interesting passage in the book.
Excellent book. Worth reading, and pretty accurate about radios
history. Though different from Eric Barnouw's wonderful trilogy on
radio, it still is an enlightening book to read and enjoy.
Have a good New Years eve and A JOYOUS NEW YEAR TO ALL!
Ken Greenwald
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 23:26:13 -0500
From: "R. R. King" <kingrr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Fessenden again
Thanks to Dan Hughes and to James O'Neal for his reply.
The implication of those articles I posted (and another one that I'm
adding below) is that it's more likely events of 1909 that Fessenden
is talking about in his 1932 letter -- and maybe researchers should
look into that possibility.
The 1932 letter says that the broadcasts were intended for "ships of
the [removed] Navy and the United Fruit Co., which were equipped with our
apparatus" and that Fessenden "got word of reception of the Christmas
Eve Program as far down as Norfolk, Va" and word of the New Year's Eve
broadcast "from some places in the West Indies."
The 1909 articles indicate that Navy cruisers were fitted with
Fessenden's apparatus, that he was broadcasting to them in late
December, and that they were scheduled to spend some of that time in
Virginia and the West Indies. In fact, articles in the New York Times
and Washington Post indicate that at least one of the cruisers was en
route to Norfolk, Virginia a few days before Christmas Eve (see
below).
If we accept (and I do) that the '06 broadcasts probably never
happened (exactly as O'Neal and Halper-Sterling suggest) then we have
to ask what Fessenden was describing in his 1932 letter (and what the
guys connected to Westinghouse are allegedly talking about). If the
broadcasts are not fabrications, then they must have taken place at
some time other than December '06 (and O'Neal pretty much rules out
'07, too).
Well, when we look at December '09, we find a glimmer of
circumstantial evidence for what Fessenden describes -- broadcasting
to a Navy ship near Virginia around Christmas Eve, for example. All
I'm suggesting is that this is a subject for further research.
But I'm guessing it'll turn out that the broadcasts took place in '09,
were misremembered as taking place in '06, and that there was no
effort at the time to "cement [Fessenden's] place in history as the
world's first broadcaster" because, frankly, by December '09, there
had already been plenty of speech and music broadcast via wireless.
The newsworthy telephony stories that month generally had to do with
the achievement of long distance contact, not with the fact of
telephony itself.
Anyway, here's the Washington Post article (there's a similar one in
the New York Times) that says the Fessenden-equipped cruiser
Birmingham is heading for Norfolk a few days before Christmas Eve:
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December 21, 1909 Washington Post
CRUISER RESCUES CREW.
Birmingham, by Wireless, Reports Sinking of British Wrecking Tug.
Norfolk, Va Dec 20-A wireless message received here today from the
United States cruiser Birmingham through the cruiser Salem told of the
loss at sea early this morning of the British wrecking tug Bulldog
from London for Havana Cuba that the crew aboard the Bulldog had
abandoned the tug in a sinking condition and that all had been saved
by the Birmingham, now on passage to Norfolk.
The Bulldog sailed from London on November 21, touching at the Azores
on December 13. She carried a crew of probably twelve men, but is
supposed to have had aboard a number of wreckers in addition.
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 23:44:48 -0500
From: "Tim Lones" <tlones1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Hoagy Carmichael-Flintstones
I dont know if Carmichael did any other movies or radio but the only way I
knew his name as a kid was an appearance (in cartoon form) in the
Flintstones' second season opening episode "The Hit Songwriters
(9-15-1961)..He used his own name in the script. Probably the first
celebrity to play "himself" in the 6 year prime time Flintstones run.
Tim Lones
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 00:58:49 -0500
From: "Frank McGurn" <[removed]@[removed];
To: "The Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Hoagy Carmichael - song writer
Kenneth Clarke asked if Hoagy Carmichael "Was he in any other films or radio
programs?"
I did a quick search of my data base and found programs Hoagy has appeared
I'm sure there are many others:
Command Performance #152 12/2/1944
Eddie Cantor Show (The) (Time to Smile) 2/14/1945
Jack Benny Program 5/15/1949
King's Men Show 6/14/1949
Request Performance 10/14/1945
Stars in the Afternoon 9/22/1946
Frank McGurn
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:53:47 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Suspense, Sci-Fi and Cisco
A couple of random questions: The 1948/12/16 Suspense starred Jimmy
Cagney as a hit and run driver. At the end of the show the narrator
announces that the show will be made available on records to
educators and others involved with young people as a cautionary tale
to discourage reckless driving. Was this item in wide circulation and
are is this now a valuable collectible?
Also, in an episode of the Cisco Kid called "The Cisco Kid's Sister"
automobiles and telephones are in use. I listened to this show
growing up - in fact, I was a proud member of the Cisco Kid Triple S
Club - and I'd always thought that the stories took place in the old
west. Was this an experiment to make the series more accessible to
"modern" kids? Also, in trying to find the answer for myself, I was
surprised to discover that Jackson Beck originated the role on the
radio. That's a little hard to imagine. And that the first person to
play the Cisco Kid in the movies got an Oscar for the role. It's also
hard to associate the Oscar with a kids' radio cowboy hero. Have any
other familiar radio heroes won those who portrayed them in the
movies Oscars?
Finally, thanks to Mr. Moore for turning me on to Skype. I've been
corresponding with a grammar school teacher who is thinking of trying
science fiction on her fifth graders. It occurred to me that X-1
might be a good introduction and I tried to send her a highly
compressed file of one of the shows with no success. Maybe Skype is
the answer. But many of the old X-1 shows, I regret to say, are a bit
corny by today's standards, though others hold up well. My choices
would be Tunnel Under the World, A Pail of Air, The Veldt and There
Shall Come Soft Rains. Does anybody else have any suggestions of OTR
sci-fi shows that would be compelling - and not too conspicuously
dated - introductions to the genre to jaded fifth graders? Thanks!
~ John Mayer
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:56:11 -0500
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Sid Raymond and Duffy's Tavern
There was an obit in the newspaper recently for an actor named Sid
Raymond, who did a lot of cartoon voices (Baby Huey, Heckle and Jeckle,
et al) He died Dec 1st at the age of of 97. The AP obit claimed "....He
took over the role of Finnegan, the bartender, on the radio show
"Duffy's Tavern," in 1950."
Alan Chapman asked about Sid Raymond and Duffy's Tavern. In the waning days
of my ProQuest access I'm happy to come up with an answer:
>From the NY Times, Nov 15, 1950, in the column titled 'Radio-TV Notes' the
second paragraph reports:
"Two changes have been made in the cast of 'Duffy's Tavern' which is
broadcast by the National Broadcasting Company radio network on Fridays at
9:30 [removed] Sid Raymond has replaced Charlie Cantor as Finnegan, while Sam
Raskin has taken over the role of the waiter formerly played by Eddie
Green."
Irene
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:56:41 -0500
From: Allen J Hubin <ajhubin@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Sid Raymond
Alan Chapman asks about Sid Raymond and possible appearances
in OTR. According to the Goldin index, Sid Raymond had one
appearance: as a cast member on the 9/1/1955 episode of X Minus One
(titled "Shanghaied"). So he qualifies for Sayles' list.
Al Hubin
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:56:28 -0500
From: Hetitus02@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: One Man's Family
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Andrew Steinberg asked about the mix up between chapters 6 & 7 of book 71 of
One Man's family. There was confusion because after correctly introducing
71:6 on August 8, 1949, the same information was repeated the following week
for 71:7. The correct chapter titles are: 71:6 (8/8/49) "Father Barbour
Predicts The Worst" and 71:7 (8/15/49) "The Return Of Joan Roberts Lacey."
All
of book 71 is widely available from various dealers, from One Man's Family
Family, and in the Library of Congress. That book begins with "A
Reintroduction
To The Barbours."
Ed Titus
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:09:01 -0500
From: "Karen Lerner" <[removed]@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest (E-mail)" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Bogie, Bacall, and Karen Lerner's soap box
Kenneth Clarke asked if "To Have and Have Not" was ever done on one of the
dramatic anthology programs. Indeed it was. Bogie and Bacall reprised their
roles in the legendary film on Lux Radio Theatre on October 14, 1946. He
also seemed to recall that the pair brought their famous love scene from the
movie to The Jack Benny Show. This is correct - check out The Lucky Strike
Program from January 5, 1947.
On a different note, Jim Cox and Larry Maupin mentioned that Radio Spirits
might be a possible source of Ma Perkins episodes. It is true that we have a
bunch on reels at our warehouse, but they are not available at this time.
HOWEVER, I have been on my "soap box" (sorry, couldn't resist) for some time,
trying to get RS to create a collection featuring washboard weepers - and it
looks like I may have prevailed. Look for a 3 hour soap set to come out in
the spring.
I have really enjoyed getting to know the world of OTR this year and hope to
continue delving further in the next. I wish all of you a happy and healthy
2007.
Karen Lerner
Radio Spirits
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 11:28:12 -0500
From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: To Have and Have Not
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In a message dated 12/28/06 5:18:47 PM Central Standard Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:
Was "To Have and Have Not" ever one of the programs re-broadcast on
radio programs such as "Lux Radio Theatre" or "Mercury Theatre on the Air"?
One of the very first OTR shows I ever acquired was, in fact, the "Lux Radio
Theatre" version of "To Have and Have Not," with Bogie and Bacall reprising
their roles. The two speak with William Keighly at the end of the show and
Bogart blows the whistle he uses in real life to call for cabs, etc. It's
still
one of my very favorites.
Dixon
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:55:46 -0500
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Roy & Dale
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(The oft-married Roy Rogers guested on the Bergen & McCarthy show on
March 28, 1943, during the season when the oft-married Dale Evans
was the featured singer. In a few years, Rogers was widowed, and these
two began a happy partnership. Is there any official word that they first met
on this program? They don't share the mic)
Roy Rogers was only married twice and at the time he appeared on the Bergen
show he was still married to his first wife Arlene. She died, I think, in
1946; Roy and Dale married in 1947. Dale was only married twice as far as I
know with Roy being the second husband.
They probably didn't share the mic on the 1943 show because that wasn't the
format of the program and there wasn't any publicity value in it. Although
Dale was under contract to Republic pictures as was Roy they did't make their
first film together, The Cowboy and the Senorita, until 1944. Is is possible
that the 1943 show was their first meeting.
Larry Albert
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:14:02 -0500
From: JimBourg@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Dale Meets Roy
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Stephen Davies writes:
"The oft-married Roy Rogers guested on the Bergen & McCarthy show on
March 28, 1943, during the season when the oft-married Dale Evans was
the featured singer"
I was only aware of one other marriage each. How many times had each been
previously married?
Jim Bourg
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Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:28:17 -0500
From: mikennancy2001@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: George C. Scott on OTR?
I was listening to "The Weird Circle" on XM in my car the other day, and I
heard what *sounded* like George C. Scott's voice. Can anyone enlighten me
as to whether he appeared on this (or any other) OTR show?
Mike in Mountan View, CA
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