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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2011 : Issue 64
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Madelyn Pugh                          [ "Bob C" <rmcblc@[removed]; ]
  Tonto and Kemo-Sabay                  [ "Dan Gillespie" <GillespieDT@mailap ]
  Tonto and Kemo-Sabay                  [ "Dan Gillespie" <GillespieDT@mailap ]
  Sol Saks, Madelyn Carroll, Orrin Tuc  [ Derek Tague <thatderek@[removed]; ]
  Ed Clute coming to Cincinnati OTR Co  [ "danhughes@[removed]" <danhughes@jun ]
  Local radio recordings                [ "R. R. King" <kingrr@[removed]; ]
  OTRCAT                                [ JayHick@[removed] ]
  4-22 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  FDR Funeral                           [ "Thomas Heathwood" <HeritageRadio@m ]

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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:05:02 -0400
From: "Bob C" <rmcblc@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Madelyn Pugh

>From the [removed] Times ...

Madelyn Pugh Davis, who with her writing partner Bob Carroll Jr.
made television history in the 1950s writing Lucille Ball and
Desi Arnaz's landmark situation comedy "I Love Lucy," has died.
She was 90.

Her start in radio is described.

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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:01:22 -0400
From: "Dan Gillespie" <GillespieDT@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Tonto and Kemo-Sabay

The true origins of the names "Tonto" and "Kemo Sabay", at least as they
relate to The Lone Ranger, are known.  But since the truth is not as funny
as the punch-line jokes referred to by earlier correspondents, the jokes
will probably continue to hold sway.

My favorite source on all things having to do with The Lone Ranger is the
large-format book "From Out Of The Past" by the late Dave Holland, a book
that draws in part on earlier books by Dick Osgood and David Rothel.
Holland traces the incredibly convoluted history of the Lone Ranger from its
beginnings in radio all the way through books, comic books, comic strips,
television and movies.  One of the things one learns from Holland's book is
that the creation of the myth as we know it today was a long, evolutionary
process.  For example, Tonto didn't come along until radio program #11.  And
the standard origin story of the Lone Ranger (the deadly ambush of those
Texas Rangers and Tonto's rescue of its lone survivor) didn't come along
until 5 full years after that, in the off-beat 1938 Republic Pictures
serial.  Also, one learns that more people had a hand in creating the Lone
Ranger myth than owner George Trendle and principal writer Fran Striker.
Chief among those others was James Jewel, the Dramatic Director of Trendle's
Detroit radio station during the early years.

Dave Holland's book is superbly written, full of information, fun to read,
and it'll bring tears to your eyes at the end.  Sadly, it's out of print.
But in honor of Dave Holland (whom I had the good fortune to know) and his
passion for the myth of the Lone Ranger (which I shared), here are two
relevant quotes from his book on these particular points:

"But what to name [the Lone Ranger's new companion]?  That was Fran
Striker's job, and the story about his getting the name from a map of
Arizona is true.  He went first to his Covered Wagon Days scripts where he
found a character named Gobo.  He didn't like that name, but he did like the
two syllables.  Next he got out his atlas of the Southwest.  It was in
Arizona that Zane Grey had written 'Stranger From The Tonto'.  Just west of
Grey's old cabin near Payson was the Tonto Basin.  Close by were Tonto
Creek, the Tonto Natural Bridge, and the Tonto National Monument, all in the
Tonto National Forest.  [The famous western author Zane Grey had also
published his book 'Under the Tonto Rim' 7 years earlier.]  'You'll notice
the birth of Tonto,' Striker wrote [from his office/home in Buffalo to James
Jewell at WXYZ in Detroit] when he mailed the next script."

That's the story, folks.  Holland goes on to say that Jewell didn't like the
name Tonto, because he happened to know that it was a word that some
Michigan Indians used derisively.  Jewell knew that because his
father-in-law had run a summer boys camp for years in northern Michigan
which had some involvement with local Indians.  But Trendle liked the sound
of Striker's choice, so it stuck.

As for the term Kemo-Sabay, Holland points out that it's not only what the
Lone Ranger called Tonto, but also what Tonto called the Lone Ranger.  (So,
do you really think they were riding around together all those years
constantly dissing each other with that name?)  Holland describes two
popular theories about the origin of that term, and then torpedoes both with
this revelation:

"You know that boys camp that James Jewell's father-in-law ran on Mullett
Lake?  Guess what it's name was:  Kee-mo Sah-bee.  That's even the way they
spelled it when it was named that back in 1915, 18 years before The Lone
Ranger went on the air.  And that's where James Jewell got the name.  He was
the one to put it into the scripts (where it was spelled kemo-sabay,
incidentally).  Brace Beamer [the most famous of the radio Lone Rangers]
liked to tell people it meant 'faithful friend' but Jewell insisted that it
only meant 'trusty scout'.  'That's the only thing it has ever meant,'
Jewell told Rothel, 'or ever will mean!'  Period, by God."

Thank you, Dave Holland (and Dick Osgood and David Rothel).  In light of all
this, and of the thousands of Lone Ranger scripts written by Fran Striker
and others in the Trendle organization over many years, any suggestion that
those folks intended anything but a deeply respectful relationship between
their two principal characters just doesn't wash.  To claim otherwise, why
you'd have to be eatin' loco weed, pardner!

Dan Gillespie
30504 Cordoba Place
Castaic, CA 91384 (USA)
Ph: 661-775-9326
Email: GillespieDT@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:03:45 -0400
From: "Dan Gillespie" <GillespieDT@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Tonto and Kemo-Sabay

The true origins of the names "Tonto" and "Kemo Sabay", at least as they
relate to The Lone Ranger, are known.  But since the truth is not as funny
as the punch-line jokes referred to by earlier correspondents, the jokes
will probably continue to hold sway.

My favorite source on all things having to do with The Lone Ranger is the
large-format book "From Out Of The Past" by the late Dave Holland, a book
that draws in part on earlier books by Dick Osgood and David Rothel.
Holland traces the incredibly convoluted history of the Lone Ranger from its
beginnings in radio all the way through books, comic books, comic strips,
television and movies.  One of the things one learns from Holland's book is
that the creation of the myth as we know it today was a long, evolutionary
process.  For example, Tonto didn't come along until radio program #11.  And
the standard origin story of the Lone Ranger (the deadly ambush of those
Texas Rangers and Tonto's rescue of its lone survivor) didn't come along
until 5 full years after that, in the off-beat 1938 Republic Pictures
serial.  Also, one learns that more people had a hand in creating the Lone
Ranger myth than owner George Trendle and principal writer Fran Striker.
Chief among those others was James Jewel, the Dramatic Director of Trendle's
Detroit radio station during the early years.

Dave Holland's book is superbly written, full of information, fun to read,
and it'll bring tears to your eyes at the end.  Sadly, it's out of print.
But in honor of Dave Holland (whom I had the good fortune to know) and his
passion for the myth of the Lone Ranger (which I shared), here are two
relevant quotes from his book on these particular points:

"But what to name [the Lone Ranger's new companion]?  That was Fran
Striker's job, and the story about his getting the name from a map of
Arizona is true.  He went first to his Covered Wagon Days scripts where he
found a character named Gobo.  He didn't like that name, but he did like the
two syllables.  Next he got out his atlas of the Southwest.  It was in
Arizona that Zane Grey had written 'Stranger From The Tonto'.  Just west of
Grey's old cabin near Payson was the Tonto Basin.  Close by were Tonto
Creek, the Tonto Natural Bridge, and the Tonto National Monument, all in the
Tonto National Forest.  [The famous western author Zane Grey had also
published his book 'Under the Tonto Rim' 7 years earlier.]  'You'll notice
the birth of Tonto,' Striker wrote [from his office/home in Buffalo to James
Jewell at WXYZ in Detroit] when he mailed the next script."

That's the story, folks.  Holland goes on to say that Jewell didn't like the
name Tonto, because he happened to know that it was a word that some
Michigan Indians used derisively.  Jewell knew that because his
father-in-law had run a summer boys camp for years in northern Michigan
which had some involvement with local Indians.  But Trendle liked the sound
of Striker's choice, so it stuck.

As for the term Kemo-Sabay, Holland points out that it's not only what the
Lone Ranger called Tonto, but also what Tonto called the Lone Ranger.  (So,
do you really think they were riding around together all those years
constantly dissing each other with that name?)  Holland describes two
popular theories about the origin of that term, and then torpedoes both with
this revelation:

"You know that boys camp that James Jewell's father-in-law ran on Mullett
Lake?  Guess what it's name was:  Kee-mo Sah-bee.  That's even the way they
spelled it when it was named that back in 1915, 18 years before The Lone
Ranger went on the air.  And that's where James Jewell got the name.  He was
the one to put it into the scripts (where it was spelled kemo-sabay,
incidentally).  Brace Beamer [the most famous of the radio Lone Rangers]
liked to tell people it meant 'faithful friend' but Jewell insisted that it
only meant 'trusty scout'.  'That's the only thing it has ever meant,'
Jewell told Rothel, 'or ever will mean!'  Period, by God."

Thank you, Dave Holland (and Dick Osgood and David Rothel).  In light of all
this, and of the thousands of Lone Ranger scripts written by Fran Striker
and others in the Trendle organization over many years, any suggestion that
those folks intended anything but a deeply respectful relationship between
their two principal characters just doesn't wash.  To claim otherwise, why
you'd have to be eatin' loco weed, pardner!

Dan Gillespie
30504 Cordoba Place
Castaic, CA 91384 (USA)
Ph: 661-775-9326
Email: GillespieDT@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:04:07 -0400
From: Derek Tague <thatderek@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Sol Saks, Madelyn Carroll, Orrin Tucker

It seems like it's been a bad week for OTR comedy writers better known for their 
TV work what with the passing of "Bewitched's" creator Sol Saks at age 100 
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 the just announced news that Madelyn Pugh Davis (aka Madelyn Carroll), age 
90 has died.

Other than utility stock player Shirley Mitchell and Keith "Little Ricky" 
Thibodeaux, is anybody else still alive from "My Favourite Husband"/"I Love 
Lucy"?

Also, bandleader Orrin Tuicker died this past week also age 100. His big band 
along with vocalist "Wee" Bonnie Baker scored a big hit in 1939 with "Oh, 
Johnny, Oh!" This leads me to query : are there any other OTR-era big 
bandleaders still left?

Students?

Derek Tague

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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:04:39 -0400
From: "danhughes@[removed]" <danhughes@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Ed Clute coming to Cincinnati OTR Convention

Charlie has posted the Cincinnati schedule on his blog, and I see that Ed
Clute will be there!

For those of you who don't know Ed, he is a terrific keyboardist whose
ability at ad libbing terrible puns is rivaled only by Derek Tague.

Ed, it will be a treat to see you again, and to hear your Saturday evening
"Request Time" program.

---Dan Hughes, [removed]  (Cincy message
board - the schedule is posted here, too)

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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:05:23 -0400
From: "R. R. King" <kingrr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Local radio recordings

Here's a recent blog post that may be of interest to some. It includes a
half-hour recording of an audience participation show from a South Dakota
station, plus some announcer odds and ends from the end of the tape. Sounds
like it might be from the late 1940s or 1950s.

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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:05:33 -0400
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTRCAT
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I have found useful information from a web site called ([removed]).   I
asked a few peopoe and got 3 different answers.   I couldn't find the name on
the web site.   The mailing address is OTRCAT
PO BOX 19234
LENEXA KS 66285    I got Faulk, Bach and Wells.
USA

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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:05:39 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  4-22 births/deaths

April 22nd births

04-22-1865 - Hal Brown - d. 10-24-1942
harmonica: "Just Plain Bill"
04-22-1887 - James Norman Hall - Colfax, IA - d. 7-6-1951
writer: "Words at War"
04-22-1900 - Joan Blaine - Fort Dodge, IA - d. 4-19-1949
actor: Joan Houston "Tale of Today"; Mary Marlin "Story of Mary Marlin"
04-22-1902 - John W. Vandercook - London, England - d. 1-6-1963
commentator: "Newsroom of the Air/News of the World"
04-22-1905 - Ed Ludes - d. 7-21-1987
sound effects: "Fibber McGee and Molly" Created the closet effect
04-22-1906 - Eddie Albert - Rock Island, IL - d. 5-26-2005
actor: Walter Mitty "Secret Life of Walter Mitty"; "Eddie Albert Show"
04-22-1907 - Elmer H. Wavering - Quincy, IL - d. 11-20-1998
inventor: With Bill Lear, invented first commerial car radio (Motorola)
04-22-1909 - Bob Waldrop - Eureka, CA - d. 9-25-1963
announcer: "John's Other Wife"; "Forever Tops"
04-22-1909 - Ralph Byrd - Dayton, OH - d. 8-18-1952
singer, actor: Local and Hollywood radio
04-22-1915 - Dick Dudley - Louisville, KY - d. 2-2-2000
announcer: "Archie Andrews"; "Believe It or Not"
04-22-1916 - Maurice Webster - Gibbon, NE - d. 6-20-2001
announcer: "Scattergood Baines"; "Meet the Missus"; "Surprise Party"
04-22-1916 - Yehudi Menuhin - NYC - d. 3-12-1999
classical violinist: "New York Philharmonic"; "Pause that Refreshes"
04-22-1917 - Glynn Croudace - England
author of about 100 radio plays
04-22-1918 - Mickey Vernon - Marcus Hook, PA - d. 9-24-2008
major league baseball player' " Play Ball"
04-22-1920 - Arthur Winograd - NYC - d. 4-22-2010
Founding member of the Julliard String Quartet
04-22-1920 - Hal March - San Francisco, CA - d. 1-19-1970
comedian: Matt Henshaw "December Bride"; Mr. Cook "Too Many Cooks"
04-22-1921 - Candido Camero - Havana, Cuba
drummer: CMQ radio
04-22-1921 - Charlotte Lawrence - California - d. 10-20-1993
actor: Stacy McGill "Advs. of Christopher Wells"; Reba Britten "Just
Plain Bill"
04-22-1921 - Vivian Dandridge - Cleveland, OH - d. 10-27-1991
writer: "The Beulah Show"
04-22-1922 - Charlie Mingus - Nogales, AZ - d. 1-5-1979
jazz bass player: "Here's to Veterans"
04-22-1924 - Bill Simmons - d. 1-24-2005
southern gospel musician: (Light Crust Doughboys)
04-22-1932 - Bill Bircher - d. 12-1-1988
disk jockey: WTNJ Trenton, NJ; WBCB Levittown, PA
04-22-1939 - Jason Miller - NYC - d. 5-13-2001
playwright: "Earplay"
04-22-1942 - Andre Major - Montreal, Canada
author of radio plays
04-22-1949 - Rin-Rin-Tin - d. unknown
dog: Rin-Tin-Tin "Rin-Tin-Tin"

April 22nd deaths

01-09-1913 - Richard Nixon - Yorba Linda, CA - d. 4-22-1994
[removed] president: "Image Minorities"; "Kennedy-Nixon Debates"
02-04-1901 - Tom McKnight - d. 4-22-1963
producer, director, writer: "Beulah Show"; "Gibson Family"
02-22-1908 - John Mills - North Elmham, England - d. 4-22-2005
actor: "A Christmas Carol"; "Charlie Chaplin"
03-01-1885 - Lionel Atwill - Croydon, England - d. 4-22-1946
singer: "Eveready Hour"
03-09-1902 - Will Geer - Franfort, IN - d. 4-22-1978
actor: Penny "Bright Horizon"
03-12-1899 - Amparo Iturbi - Valencia, Spain - d. 4-22-1969
concert Pianist: (Jose's sister) "Concert Hall"
03-30-1922 - Anne Pitoniak - Westfield, MA - d. 4-22-2007
actor: "Radio City Playhouse"; "Cavalcade of America"; "Magnificent
Montague"
04-20-1924 - Patricia Peardon - Allendale, NJ - d. 4-22-1993
actor: Mary Aldrich "Aldrich Family"; Joan Worthington "Orphans of
Divorce"
04-21-1891 - Dr. Howard W. Haggard - d. 4-22-1959
alcoholism expert: "Devils, Drugs and Doctors"
04-22-1920 - Arthur Winograd - NYC - d. 4-22-2010
Founding member of the Julliard String Quartet
05-31-1921 - Alida Valli - Pola, Istria, Italy - d. 4-22-2006
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Hedda Hopper's Hollywood"
06-12-1912 - Janet Fox - Chicago, IL - d. 4-22-2002
actor: "Cavalcade of America"; "The Big Story"
06-12-1926 - Bob Pfeiffer - Iowa - d. 4-22-2003
announcer: "Answer Please"; "The Bickersons"
06-25-1932 - Helen Batts - d. 4-22-2005
woman's program on WPET Greensboro, North Carolins
07-19-1910 - Fred Kirby - Charlotte, NC - d. 4-22-1996
country, bluegrass: "Briarhoppers"
08-07-1908 - Kathleen Fitz - d. 4-22-1998
actor: Judy Price "Dr. Christian"; Portia Brent "Brenthouse"
08-08-1906 - Joe DuVal - Wisconsin - d. 4-22-1966
actor: Professor Wiz the Owl "Cinnamon Bear", Big Town"
09-15-1904 - Tom Conway - St. Petersburg, Russia - d. 4-22-1967
actor: Sherlock Holmes "Sherlock Holmes"; Simon Templar "The Saint"
09-21-1967 - Christopher Price - Norfolk, England - d. 4-22-2002
radio journalist: "BBC News 24"
10-13-1891 - Irene Rich - Buffalo, NY - d. 4-22-1988
actor: Faith Chandler "Dear John"; Irene Davis "Lady Counsellor";
Judith Bradley "Glorious One"
10-30-1924 - Norman Bird - Coalville, England - d. 4-22-2005
actor: Major Burnaby "The Sittaford Mystery"
11-10-1907 - Jane Froman - University City, MO - d. 4-22-1980
singer: "Florsheim Frolic"; "Bromo Seltzer Hour"; "Gulf Musical
Playhouse"
11-16-1894 - Ruth Cornell Woodman - d. 4-22-1970
creator, writer: "Death Valley Days"; "Cavalcade of America"
12-28-1903 - Earl "Fatha" Hines - Duquesne, PA - d. 4-22-1983
bandleader: "Band Remotes"; "Chamber Music of Lower Basin Street"

Ron
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Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:05:51 -0400
From: "Thomas Heathwood" <HeritageRadio@[removed];
To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  FDR Funeral
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It is said that aside from the very well known clip of Arthur Godfrey breaking
up during his description of the FDR funeral procession in Washington. he
returned a little later to continue and conclude his coverage of that historic
event. However, I have never heard that additional broadcast and wonder if any
of our friends have information about this.    Tom Heathwood     4/22

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