Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #331
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Date: 8/21/2002 8:32 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 331
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Candlestick and Lightning Strike      [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      Cigarette ads and boogey men          [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      Candice Bergen on TV with Jack Benny  [ Kubelski@[removed] ]
      the real villain in the candy cigare  [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
      Web Site: "The Bizarre World of Cand  [ George Guffey <grguffey@[removed]; ]
      JEFF COREY                            [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
      re: cigarrette advertizing, and comm  [ "Henry Brugsch" <henry@listentohear ]
      Candice Bergen                        [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Premium Mentoning                     [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Thanks                                [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      Radio Advertising and OTR Premiums    [ Frank Kendall <efkendall@[removed]; ]
      Candace Bergen with Bing Crosby       [ "Steven Lewis" <slewis5@[removed]; ]
      William Paley                         [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]
      Re: Lucky Strike candy cigarettes     [ Bill Harris <radioguy@[removed] ]
      arch oboler biography                 [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
      Jeff Corey in Bloodbath????????       [ Carolie Minuscule <daggerofthemind2 ]
      Sound Effects in OTR                  [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]

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    Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:53:33 -0400
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Candlestick and Lightning Strike

    "Cool down Patrick" wins the seegar!

    The nightgown clad little person with the candlestick imaged the slogan
    "Time to Retire", but it was a pun for "re-tire".  My point was that most
    people over 50 recall the illustration, far fewer the slogan that went with
    it (and which presented a clue to the product).  Interestingly, most of the
    time the youngster with the candle was shown holding onto a tire, nearly as
    big as the wee one.  Yet many people forgot the slogan, and most the
    product, let alone the specific tire maker.  Sort of like the much later
    "Mama mia, that's some speecy miteball".

    "The Springfield (Massachusetts) Journal", services the area near Chicopee
    Falls, the home of the tire maker.  According to the "Journal", the
    trademark came into existence in 1906 when Burr Griffin, a young artist
    from Connecticut, suggested the idea to Edward Broadwell, the President of
    (you ready for this?)

    the FISK tire company!  And all the time I thought it was Seiberling!

    Sez the Journal, "Broadwell liked it, and offered to buy it. Griffin
    suggested a price of $25, which Broadwell quickly accepted. Later when Fisk
    executives realized its value, they sent Griffin a check for $500.  Fisk
    Rubber Company (named for its founder Noyes Fisk) was sold to the United
    States Rubber Company in 1940".

    The story is reminiscent of  Francis Barraud, a successful commercial
    artist in England who painted a picture of his terrier "Nipper" sitting on
    a shiny table top next to an Edison cylinder phonograph.  No, Virginia,
    it's not his master's coffin.  Where do these sick rumors get started?

    The dog, who reputedly got his nickname by nipping at people's heels,  is
    seen peering into the horn of the talking machine, tipping his head as dogs
    are wont to do when auditioning something new.  The sound, in this case, is
    deemed to be "His Master's Voice".

    A friend of the artist said he should take the painting to the company
    which sold the machine, which he did.  The manager of the Edison-Bell
    company didn't like the painting, and refused.  Probably to his life-long
    chagrin.  He should at least have bought the painting and rights so it
    wouldn't be used by someone else!

    The same or another friend of Barraud said his machine was too boring
    looking (the Edison folk went for utility, not beauty).  He suggested that
    another maker of talking machines had a nicer looking machine, which
    sported a big, beautiful, brass horn.  Barraud went to see the manager of
    The Gramophone and Typewriter Company (they were still hedging their bets)
    who liked the idea and loaned to Barraud the model of their machine which
    thusly forever after has been known as the "Trademark Model".

    Fortunately for historians, Barraud had photographed the earlier
    version.  Copies of the picture exist today.  Both it and the new version
    are in a booklet called "Look For The Dog".

    It is said that the original painting is valued so highly that during World
    War II it was shipped out into the country and buried safely away during
    The Battle of Britain.  I am told that when deemed safe, it was
    returned.  It hangs in the Board Room of what is now EMI, the parent
    company of numerous recording companies and labels around the world.  If
    one gets at the correct angle and the lighting is just right, one can make
    out the outline of the original machine which Barraud painted over.

    Barraud was paid a reasonable fee for the painting and rights thereto.  He
    made a good living painting exact oil copies for various record company
    distributors and other representatives.  Some years later,  a pension was
    established for Barraud by a grateful company, for producing what became
    known as the most recognized trademark in the world, still in use today.

    By the way, although all this happened in merrie olde England, the logo was
    first used in print by the Brits' American licensee, the predecessor of
    Victor Talking Machine Company, later to become RCA Victor.

    Then of course there's the sad story of the transition of the traditional
    logo of RCA --erstwhile owner of NBC in its three network guises--when its
    lightning stroke grounded out, and the replacement became the "Studebaker"
    of monograms, when onlookers couldn't tell whether it was coming or
    going.  If you don't follow the analogy, go look at it.

    A bit off topic, perhaps, but I thought perhaps 'twould be jolly
    interesting, especially to our younger readers.  I say!  Pip pip, three
    cheers for Francis Barraud, and all that!

    Lee Munsick
    Appomattox County, Virginia USA

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    Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:54:04 -0400
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cigarette ads and boogey men

    Through the generous and much-appreciated intercession of a kindly member
    here, I recently obtained a copy of "Here Come the Boogey Men", otherwise
    known as "You'll Find Out", a 1940 Kay Kyser film in which the recently
    discussed Sonovox played a special and sinister role.

    In addition to KK and his Klan, the boogey men in this Kase referred to
    Boris Karloff, Bela Lugosi and Peter Lorre, the villains in the piece.

    There are some fun scenes in a radio studio where Kay Kyser's Kollege of
    Musical Knowledge program is taking place.  As one take is ending, some
    characters are followed as they leave the studio, just as an unfortunately
    unseen "Speed" Riggs is heard beginning his famous "sold American"
    auctioneer's spiel!  The heck with band manager Ish Kabibble; I'd love to
    have Riggs and his colleagues on film doing that great patter!

    Lee Munsick

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    Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:22:38 -0400
    From: Kubelski@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Candice Bergen on TV with Jack Benny

    John Mayer recalls Ms. Bergen's appearnce correctly.  I don't own the show,
    but I have seen it at the Museum of TV and Radio in New York.  The guest star
    on the program was actually Bergen's wife -- not Bergen and he didn't appear
    on that show.

    Sean Dougherty
    Kubelski@[removed]

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    Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:11:31 -0400
    From: Jer51473@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  the real villain in the candy cigarette caper

     You may can partly blame the tobacco companies if you wish, but the real
    blame has to be directed at the candy companies that made or still make the
    things. Who were they? Anyone know? These were not tobacco products, they
    were  candy products. I think they were part of a very innocently contrived
    product for those times with no bad intent intended. I rember "smoking" them
    and buying them for my son years later and everyone thought of it as cute. I
    smoked for several years which i know was unrelated to this candy. My son
    never smoked or considered it.

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    Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:17:34 -0400
    From: George Guffey <grguffey@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Web Site: "The Bizarre World of Candy
     Cigarettes"

    Many of the questions Mary Jane asked (Digest #328)
    about candy cigarettes are answered by the numerous
    fascinating Web pages at the following address:

    [removed]

    In Digest #330, Stephen wrote:

>     I think that the candy cigarettes were less an
>     inducement to youngsters to start smoking than
>     because youngsters like to ape ":grownup things,"
>     which smoking is.

    But see the following Web pages on the longstanding
    connection between tobacco companies and the makers of
    candy look-alikes:

    [removed]

    [removed]

    Online candy stores continue to carry a wide variety
    of candy cigarettes and cigars. Examples:

    [removed]

    [removed]

    [removed]

    [removed]

    [removed]
    [removed]

    George

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    Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 16:15:19 -0400
    From: PURKASZ@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  JEFF COREY

        Yes James, that is the one and only Jeff Corey in "Three Skeleton Key"
    and was always a favorite of his.
        Because of my radio background he and I would often talk about how radio
    had changed and how I wished I had been around during those days. He agreed
    that I would have been very good on the radio in dramatic production but,
    alas, it was not to be.
        That show was a favorite of his too.
        You can see him a lot in the great 'noir movies of the late 40's when
    they play on TCM.
        He was great in "The Killers" with Burt Lancaster and in "Brute Force" as
    well.
        I first saw him though in a magnificent and little known at the time,
    "Seconds" with Rock Hudson.
        If you have not seen this gem directed by John Frankenheimer ("Manchurian
    Candidate") from 1966, do yourself a favor and rent it. A great and moody
    piece of genuine terror and subtle horror.
        Jeff brought the right amount of reality in his role.
        Still thankful for having that man in my professional life.
                         <A HREF="[removed],+Michael+C.">
    Michael C. Gwynne</A>

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Since no one yet mentioned it, for those still unsure who Mr.
    Corey is, he portrayed the role of Plasus in the Star Trek episode, "The
    Cloud Minders." I last saw him on an episode of Charmed, and recognized that
    voice immediately.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 17:59:20 -0400
    From: "Henry Brugsch" <henry@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  re: cigarrette advertizing, and commanders
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    Whilst wool-gathering on the way home from somewhere, a     catchy tune popped
    into my head, and my mind played back the entire Commander add. Phillip
    Morris, I think it was came out with these things.
    At 16, when we were all going out to the back of the athletic field, where we
    were sure, no one was looking, used to light up various and sundry cancer
    sticks. I can joke about this, since, now, I don't smoke, and never really got
    into it.
    But, I can remember being influenced by that catchy tune "wheet wheet have a
    commander, welcome aboard!" That was so redolent of ship board, and up-front
    enjoyable smoking. What was the add? The all tobacco filter with the all
    tobacco taste?
    smoking. Yet, I never have heard any of these adds on any of the otr I have,
    now.
     What was it, the all tobacco filter with the all-tobacco taste? Funny thing,
    in all of the ote

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    Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:59:06 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Candice Bergen

    Hi Joe,

>     I have a copy of one show she was on, a Christmas show from 12/25/55
>     I have a copy of that in mp3 if you would like it.

    I would love to have it but for one reason. I collect only on cassette. I want
    to thank you for your generous offer however. You are so typical of old time
    radio people, kind and considerate.

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    Hometown and final resting place of [removed] "Hans von" Kaltenborn

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    Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 23:15:35 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Premium Mentoning

    William Harper, reminiscing about radio premiums, asks,

>     After the postings about premiums I began to wonder if the various
>     radio shows that promoted premiums ever did by using premiums in the
>     dialogue of the show?

    Some did for some, but not all, of the premiums.  For instance, in the
    beginning of the Jack Armstrong Sulu Sea adventure, a mysterious small
    parcel post package comes from the Philippines, and after a few attempts
    to keep its intended recipient, Jim Fairfield, the package was opened.
    Inside was an ivory-colored ring with a green stone.  This ring was the
    object of various attempts to steal, and was to be instrumental to win
    the friendship of some Sulu Sea natives.  With all that buildup, is it
    surprising that the program offered a ring just like the one on the show?

    The Captain Midnight characters always brought dialogue of the new
    Code-O-Graphs in the dramas, as each was issued.  The Whirlwind Whistling
    Ring, the MJC-10 Plane Spotter, the Magic Blackout Lite-Ups, and the
    Winged-Clock Shoulder Patch were among the premiums brought into the
    show's dramatic part.  But not all were: most notable was the Ovaltine
    Shake-Up Mug -- it wasn't mentioned in the dialogue.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:21:02 -0400
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Thanks

    First , thanks to the amazing Elizabeth for her response to my request
    for cigarette brand sales charts thru the years. I don't know how she
    does it all so well. I've tried to envision what her computer room must
    look like with volumes and volumes of books and reports lining the
    walls. Is her desk a mess?  More likely very well organized.

    Second, thanks to [removed] for sharing his memory of Mantan Moreland. I
    always enjoyed Mantan so much in his comedy roles. He was really
    special.  I looked forward to all those Charlie Chan movies that he was
    in. I'm glad that they are showing them again as I believe that they
    were considered politically incorrect for awhile. I believe he was also
    in "Green Pastures" and Cabin in the Sky". I also vaguely remember him
    starring in a TV drama where he played a straight role as the husband
    but have no other memory of that show. That must have been in the early
    60's sometime. I was surprised to see that he died in 1973 because I
    have the probably faulty memory of him passing just 4 or 5 years ago.

    Does anyone know if he did OTR?

    George Aust

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:21:17 -0400
    From: Frank Kendall <efkendall@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio Advertising and OTR Premiums

    I was and still am a fan of The Lone Ranger. When
    Cheerios started putting western town buildings on
    their packages though I had to get all of them so I
    would know where the bank, saloon and other buildings
    were when I listened to the program. It was fun
    cutting these off of the packages and pasting them
    together. Had to eat a lot of Cheerios though and
    can't stand them today as a result. In my case it was
    an advertising scheme that worked too well.

    Frank Kendall

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:21:44 -0400
    From: "Steven Lewis" <slewis5@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Candace Bergen with Bing Crosby

>     From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
>     Subject:  Candice Bergen on OTR
>      I have a tape of 9 year old Candice Bergen and Charlie
>     McCarthy reciting their own "unique"  version of  "Twas The
>     Night Before Christmas".  It's tape # is 2213 and the date of
>     the program is 12-25-55.

    Little Candy's appearance on her Pop's show had a curious resurrection on
    network radio 6 years later. Edgar Bergen was one of the guests on Bing
    Crosby's 16th annual radio Christmas show that was broadcast Dec. 24, 1961
    over the CBS radio network. On the show Edgar reflects on his 1955 Christmas
    broadcast that included his daughter, and through the miracle of tape
    Candace became a guest on Bing's 1961 Christmas special, still 9 years old!

    Steven Lewis
    [removed]~crosby

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 00:29:43 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  William Paley

>     Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:39:26 -0400
>     From: "W. Gary Wetstein" <wgaryw@[removed];

>     (was paley even involved in broadcasting in 1941???).

    Oh yes!  He took over the what is now CBS sometime in the 1920s.

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:52:03 -0400
    From: lois@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:39:26 -0400
    From: Bill Harris <radioguy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Lucky Strike candy cigarettes

    Mary Anne Morel asks:

>     I distinctly remember "smoking" Lucky Strikes in the late forties as a
>     dissolute eight year old, but can't recall any other candy brand names,
>     except that there were others. Does anyone else remember these?

    Sure do, except I never smoked a whole pack, just couldn't resist
    and ate them all.

    Bill H.

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:39:46 -0400
    From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  arch oboler biography

    In reply to Hugh Rodger's question, there is no biography of Archer
    Oboler. My book, Words at War: World War II Era Radio Drama and the
    Postwar Broadcasting Industry Blacklist, has the greatest amount of
    biographical information about  Oboler of any single printed source. I
    visited Oboler's widow several years ago and spoke with a number of other
    people about him. I will be at both the Newark and Sperdvac conventions
    and will be happy to discuss the problems inherent in researching
    Oboler's life.

    For information about my book (which will Scarecrow Press will publish at
    the end of October), see [removed]

    Howard Blue

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:46:43 -0400
    From: Carolie Minuscule <daggerofthemind2000@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jeff Corey in Bloodbath????????

>     "Blood Bath"
>     in which Jeff Corey has third billing.
>     I'm hoping someone on the list an help me with this.
>     Thank you very much.

    I have Vincent Price's Blood Bath from Escape, 6/30/50
    and Jeff Corey isn't mentioned.  Wally Maher, Tony
    Barrett, Paul Frees, and Ted deCorsia.

    Is there another version of Blood Bath out there?  If
    so, what's the date on it????

    I love collecting different versions of the same
    program!  I think the 3/17/50 version of Three
    Skeleton Key with Price, Bartell and Corey was the
    [removed]'ve got the Price version of Rave Notice and
    he's so much better than Milton Berle in the role!
    It's fun to compare performances.

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:47:12 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Sound Effects in OTR

    An observation or so concerning sound effects on OTR.  As the renowned
    Elizabeth McLeod pointed out, "there's nothing at all "impure" about
    using recorded sound effects."  In fact, sometimes there were few
    alternatives.  For instance, some of the aerial dogfight sequences in
    Captain Midnight programs _had_ to use recorded sound.  (In the "Suicide
    Squadron" episodes in the X Island story, for example, the interaction of
    multiple aircraft, including near-misses where the listener could hear
    Doppler shifts, could only have been done with recordings.).

    When I was in grade school and junior High (now called "middle"), there
    were writeups on radio sound effects.  Some were interesting, such as dry
    rice poured on parchment paper to simulate rain.  Some were "duh" items,
    like a miniature door, complete with knob assembly, to create the sound
    of opening or closing doors.  Some were strange, such as stroking an
    empty strawberry box with a violin bow to simulate the sound of creaking
    ropes on a sailboat.  But whatever worked was used.

    However, a car driving in the distance (complete with three-stage
    representations of gear shifting in the pre-automatic-transmission days)
    was easier to simulate with a recording than by any studio gadget.

    Since we've been talking about radio premiums recently, it's worth
    mentioning that a 1941 premium from the Jack Armstrong show was a Sound
    Effects Kit.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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