Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #164
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 6/2/2001 2:15 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                          The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                             Volume 01 : Issue 164
                       A Part of the [removed]!
                               ISSN: 1533-9289

                               Today's Topics:

     just some stuff                      [Rick <doolin@[removed];      ]
     Ricochets                            ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     On That Lawsuit                      ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     Car Crash Sound Effect               [Clifengr3@[removed]                   ]
     The Cinnamon Bear threatened by Maya ["John <ayer" <mayer@[removed];      ]
     Re: Radio Spirits does it [removed] ["Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self]
     The RSI News Item                    ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     Old Time Radio On CD                 [Tom and Susan Kleinschmidt <tomkle@]
     Superman and "Hot Paragon"           [Jack A French <otrpiano@[removed]; ]
     Re: CD costs                         [SanctumOTR@[removed]                 ]
     Hitchcock on Radio                   ["Philip Railsback" <philiprailsback]
     Re: Arlene Francis                   [Udmacon@[removed]                    ]
     Re: OTR T-Shirts?                    ["David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed]]
     The man who watched trains go by     ["Henry Brugsch" <henry@[removed]]

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:07:28 -0400
    From: Rick <doolin@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  just some stuff

    Hi gang,
    I'm coming out of hiding to mention a couple of things.
    I was listening to Johnny Dollar, Empty Threat Matter (11/27/60) and Dollar
    was describbing Tahiti. While he was talking, the theme from "the
    Sixshooter" starts playing in the background! Cool, no? I kept expecting
    someone to start saying "...it's handle is unmarked, folks call 'em both
    the sixshooter".

    I was watching (oooo, yes, a TV, forgive me if this offends some of you)
    reruns of Bonanza the other night and the story was about some military
    guys who needed to cross the desert. Well, as soon as the major in charge
    spoke, I yelled out "John Dahner!" My wife wasn't pleased with my outburst,
    but I explained that I have wondered what he looked [removed] there he
    was. Kind of a small fella to be playing a "Have Gun Will Travel"
    [removed] then again William Conrad was no towering figure.
    Rick

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:46:44 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ricochets

    Harry Bartell notes,

>     At least twice Stephen Kallis has stated the rifle shots were ALWAYS
>     followed by ricochets.

    ... and then gives an example where they weren't.

    Okay, even now, one learns.  I should have been more accurate in saying
    that in all the OTR shows I've heard such was the case.  However, since
    one could hear only a small fraction of the shows at the time, I
    certainly seem to have missed some where they weren't.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:46:54 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  On That Lawsuit

    Speaking of MediaBay's filing, Michael Biel observes,

>     If we are lucky they might finally have bitten off more than they can
>     chew and be forced to
>     disclose EXACTLY WHICH shows are "theirs".

    I hope someone who's reading this can at least alert Napster to this
    aspect of the controversy.  Either they'd drop the suit or be forced to
    do what Dr. Biel has observed.

    Eric Cooper notes,

>     Also perfectly understandable why I am obtaining shows the "illegal"
>     way. It's called saving a whole lot of money to be able to enjoy many
>     fine performances and good entertainment.

    As has been noted, unless we know what's actually "owned," making copies
    of particular shows may or may not be "illegal."  Stating that they might
    be when they might not could be used against us, should it come to that.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:25:56 -0400
    From: Clifengr3@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Car Crash Sound Effect

>     But this brings up a point.  There are lots of sound conventions in OTR.
>     A rifle shot always included a ricochet to differentiate it from a
>     handgun shot.  Airplane engines Doppler in flight even when the action
>     takes place in the cockpit.  Tires always squeal when a car is braking,
>     etc.  These were done as a sort of shorthand so that listeners could be
>     clued in with what's happening.

>     Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

    This little synopsis of radio sound effects brought to my mind a question
    that I've often wondered about.

    Many times I've heard the sound effect of a car [removed] it goes
    something like this.
    First there's the screeching tires, then there's a twangy boing sound, then
    the sound of the crunching metal.

    Does anybody know what that twangy boing sound is? It's hard to describe in
    words, but I'm sure we've all heard it.

    I can't figure out what it's supposed to be.

    Any opinions or solid information? Thanks

    Jim Yellen

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 18:45:49 -0400
    From: "John <ayer" <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Cinnamon Bear threatened by Mayan Vampire
     Bats

    Pretty sure it was Buddy Duncan, the voice of the Cinnamon Bear, that I heard
    recently on an mpeg of the World Adventurers' Club (shown as episode 31),
    playing
    the part of a hard-bitten Irish explorer. The delivery was just a tad
    different,
    but it still sounded, to me, like the Cinnamon Bear, tied down in the ruins
    of a
    ruined Mayan temple and threatened by a horde of ravenous blood-sucking vampire
    bats. Can anyone confirm this was, indeed, Buddy Duncan. Don't recall ever
    hearing him anywhere else but as the Cinnamon Bear before (I was once, before I
    got Dunning's encyclopedia, and not having heard them "side by side," convinced
    that the Cinnamon Bear and Our Miss Brooks' landlady were one and the same).
    *************
    On a completely unrelated subject, a question that I asked a year or two ago
    without response: I understand that Nicola Tesla was belatedly recognized by
    some
    august body or another, along about 1978, as the REAL inventor of radio. Does
    anyone know the story of the long-standing dispute between Tesla and Marconi?
    Thanks.

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 21:27:43 -0400
    From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Radio Spirits does it [removed]

    Some things I don't understand about this whole ordeal with RS and
    [removed]

    I for one would think that Carl Amari would be *glad* to have the shows
    on Napster.  After all, he claims to love OTR right?  And isn't this a
    great way for people to stumble onto OTR who wouldn't normally listen to
    it?  So, really OTR shows being on Napster *could* create business for
    him.

    I went to the RS website and looked at their downloads that they offer
    for an "inexpensive fee".  Let's see $[removed] per show, and everything that
    I saw is on the 60 Greatest Shows set.  You can buy the set for $[removed] on
    CD, or you can download the shows for nearly $[removed]  Inexpensive fee?
    I think not.

    Amari may be a shrewd business man, but he obviously doesn't realize the
    value of good and bad publicity.  When your dealing with a group as loyal
    and close-knit as the OTR community, the last thing you want to do is
    mess around with their sources for shows.  That's essentially shooting
    yourself in the foot.  I know I can say that I was at one time a RS
    customer, but those days are long [removed]

    Amari may have loved OTR at one point in time, but these days it seems he
    can't see past the dollar signs.

    Rodney Bowcock

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:18:01 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The RSI News Item

    Speaking as a practitioner of Public Relations for more than a quarter of
    a century, the item cited by Charlie Summers, about MediaBay, Inc. Filing
    A Complaint Against Napster Inc., which appeared in PR Newsrire, there's
    less to the story than might be implied.

    PR Newswire is a wire service that companies use to place their stories.
    That is, the story was written by and placed by MediaBay or one of its
    agents.

    Copying from the news release,

>     "Napster's file-sharing system enables MediaBay's old-time radio
>     programs to be traded without our permission and is an infringement of
>     our rights and the rights of the many talented individuals who created
>     these wonderful programs. We have requested that Napster filter out and
>     effectively block our programs from being traded. We believe that Napster
>     should take a proactive approach toward preventing piracy instead of
>     waiting for companies like MediaBay to enforce their legal rights," said
>     Michael Herrick, MediaBay President and CEO.

    Now if we parse those sentences, MediaBay is doing two things:  (1) It is
    copycatting a previous injunction, hoping to ride on its coattails.  And
    (2) nowhere in the release does it say that _all_ programs offered
    through Napster are owned by MediaBay.  It merely says that MediaBay is
    asking for protection for their shows.

    The danger, here, is that those unused to the nuances of PR might believe
    that RSI is saying that they own rights to every show being traded by
    Napster.  I suspect that RSI would be delighted if people believed that,
    which is why PR is a useful tool, if one's creative.  But it's a cheap
    enough shot; they're letting the other lawyers break ground.

    One of their hopes is probably be press inquiries where they can expound
    their party lines; and it could well be the first salvo in a bunch of
    cease & desist letters, but it's actually not very much.

    Stephen A. Kalis, Jr.

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:18:49 -0400
    From: Tom and Susan Kleinschmidt <tomkle@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Old Time Radio On CD

    	Eric Cooper mentioned the high cost of Radio Spirits CD's and price
    gouging. As much as I hate to do it, I actually must defend them on this
    point. Radio Spirits offers many collections on CD and very often their
    collections on 30 CD's average out to just over $[removed] per disc on sale and
    even at the list price of $[removed], that's only $[removed] per disc. Perhaps then
    some of the dealers on this list can tell me why they offer CD's of
    programs that range from $[removed] to $[removed] for one hour of OTR on
    CD!!  That's really price gouging! I have seen a lot of these CD's from
    dealers and they don't even come with labels or jewel cases, just a plain
    white paper sleeve. Obviously the blank CD's cost less than blank cassettes
    now, so why on earth do they charge so much more just because it's on A CD?
    Mastering a show to CD takes very little time outside of the actual length
    of the show, and once it's done you can make endless "perfect" copies. I'd
    really appreciate some comments from some of the dealers on this list on
    their pricing strategy. I am certain everyone would for that matter.
    	Like Eric, I have been converting many of my favorite shows to CD's
    from
    reel to reel tapes. I can't afford the dealers CD prices either, and this
    time I am not talking about Radio Spirits.

    Tom

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:19:46 -0400
    From: Jack A French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Superman and "Hot Paragon"

    Larry Gassman refers us to Jane Shaw's request from Adrian Wootton:

>     according to an interview he gave in the mid-1940's - he worked, at
>     least for some time on Superman and Hot Paragon.

    Obviously the interview tape is a little garbled. Certainly Mr. Goodis
    referred to "Superman" and "Hop Harrigan."

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 23:20:36 -0400
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: CD costs

    In a message dated 6/1/01 3:08:02 PM, [removed]@[removed]
    writes:

>     The brand I get costs 50 cents, including case. So I can put two half
>     hours on there at 25 cents each. for a 74 minute audio CD. Radio
>     Spirit's lowest price on a CD that I have seen is about $[removed] per hour
>     special sale price(corrections welcomed) or [removed] per half hour.

    ***Look again.  RSI's price on their 30-CD sets (including the recent 60-show
    LONE RANGER, OTR FAVORITES and SCIENCE FICTION collections) is now only
    $[removed]  That comes out to about $[removed] per hour or less than $[removed] per
    30-minute show.  Compare that with what you'd pay for a new music CD at the
    store.  And that doesn't take into consideration the royalty payments RSI
    pays to copyright holders, the cost of the digital engineers who clean up the
    sound, the packaging . . . or those cute little historical booklets written
    by -- ANTHONY TOLLIN (with nostalgic forewords by people like Ray Bradbury,
    Arthur Anderson, etc.)  And of course, RSI's 60-show cassette collections are
    usually available at Sam's Club and Costco for about $[removed], less than $1 per
    hour/50¢ per show.  (And for those who don't belong to a warehouse club, I
    recently noticed RSI OTR collections substantially discounted at Target.)***

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    Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 10:14:30 -0400
    From: "Philip Railsback" <philiprailsback@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hitchcock on Radio

    Thanks for all the great information.  When you say that Joseph Kearns
    impersonated Hitchock on the broadcast of FOCUS featuring the adaptation of
    "The Lodger", is this the same show as the verson that is reputed to be the
    pilot for Suspense?

      - Philip

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    Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 10:14:32 -0400
    From: Udmacon@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Arlene Francis

    ...and let us not forget that Arlene Francis was also part of the golden age
    of WOR in its early talk radio format: for many years she did a daily
    one-hour interview show at 1 pm, without relying upon phone-ins.

    Miss Francis was part of a daily schedule that included the likes of Jack
    O'Brien, the McCanns, the Gamblings, John Wingate, Martha Deane (Marion Young
    Taylor) and, of course, the Fitzgeralds.

    The curtain [removed]
    Bill Knowlton, "BLUEGRASS RAMBLE," WCNY-FM: Syracuse, Utica, Watertown NY
    (since Jan. 1973). Sundays, 9 pm est: [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 10:39:56 -0400
    From: "David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: OTR T-Shirts?

    I've been out of town and struggling to get caught up on the OTR Digest, but
    just as I get one read, another arrives!  So I hope this isn't already beat
    to death.

    In Issue 158, Gary asks:

>     How feasible are T-shirt creations depicting our favorite OTR shows?
>     I bought a set of cd's from Ebay about a year ago and always thought
>     the lables would make a great T-shirt decal.

    This is a good idea, but there's been someone at the last two OTR &
    Nostalgia Conventions in Cincinnati (I've only attended two) who sells
    T-Shirts with OTR themes.  Sorry, but I can't remember his name.

    As far as copyrights, I imagine that, for the most part, the producers of
    the tapes/cds will hold copyright rights and you will need to get permission
    from them or from whoever initially did the artwork.  Radio Spirits, as a
    rule, has some pretty colorful and catchy art work on their products.

    By the way, you've given me an idea to drive some religious folks nuts:
    WWJD (What Would Jesus Do?) was pretty popular among certain Christian
    circles, and for awhile was seen on many T-Shirts and just about anything
    else -- and it still hasn't quite run its course.  But wouldn't YTJD simply
    drive some people nuts trying to figure out what YTJD meant from a religious
    perspective?  Let's [removed] "You Thought Jesus Didit"; "Yes, Trust Jesus
    Daily."  AHHH, the possibilities are endless!    );-}

    Sorry, Charlie, I've gotten off-topic.  But Gary tapped into my
    slightly-sadistic-preacher streak!

    Dave Phaneuf
    Have a Great [removed] And Happy Landing!

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    Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 16:14:19 -0400
    From: "Henry Brugsch" <henry@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The man who watched trains go by

    Here's a railroad oriented show, wish I could remembermoreabout it
    It was either during, or right after the Jack Benny program on a Sunday in
    the early '50s,orpossibly, '55.
    But, either CBS, or NBC ran a drama"The man who watched trains go by."
    I was then a youngster as strong a rail enthusiast as now, and remember my
    deep disapointment at having missed it.
    I just heard the last ten seconds or so, then the announcement.
    Goes without sayimng, I'd be interested in knowing how I could get hold of
    it, whether it exists in any collections.
    Thanks

    --
    MAILTO:HENRY@[removed]
    [removed]
    g0gku/k1    hbj

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