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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 410


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Re:Mel Blanc, Meet Corliss Archer
	 OTR Program Distribution
	 Storage of OTR cassettes
	 Kelsey Grammer
	 Shepherd, Texas Rangers, Corliss Archer, Johnson, ET's, Dummy
	 Real Audio vs. .WAV files
	 Virginia Payne
	 Wistful Vista
	 Meet Corliss Archer
	 Gripes re typos & Fred Foy info
	 Re: The Glums, [removed] Digest V95 #409
	 John Dunnings Book
	 ADMINISTRIVIA: OTR WWW Pages Moving
	 Wistful Vista - town or street?
	 JUST SAW JACK BENNY TRIBUTE!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:27:12 -0500
From: MVHaas@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:Mel Blanc, Meet Corliss Archer
Message-ID: <951123102711_114708256@[removed]>

    FOR ROSS LEARN:  The Mel Blance show ran for one season, from Sept. 3,
1946, to June 17, 1947.   Considering the show had the talents of Mel Blanc,
Hans Conried, Jim Backus, Mary Jane Croft, and Alan Reed, (to name most of
the regulars), it's not especially funny. A couple of episodes aren't bad,
but the writing is pretty flat overall. The water heater show is the third
show of the series, 9/24/46.  I think the best episode was one that had Bert
Gordon (The Mad Russian from Eddie Cantor) as a guest star in a Columbus
skit. (can't find a date right now)
I have 39 shows that I got 15-20 years ago, (missing Jan 14 & May 14, 1947)
so I assume that they're still out there.

    FOR KATHY O'CONNELL: Meet Corliss Archer  premeired on CBS in 1943, the
network's answer to "A Date with Judy" on NBC. The show ran until the 1952-53
season, then was revived for one season in 1954-55 with a different cast.
John Dunning (Tune in Yesterday) called the show "the most intelligent of the
teen shows."   Janet Waldo (who made a career of playing teen girls--she was
Judy Jetson in the Jetsons cartoons 20 years later) played Corliss. There are
several shows  available. 

   

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:14:17 -0800 (PST)
From: roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Program Distribution
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Prior to the widespread use of the tape recorder, some programs were
done several times for different time zones. I believe the Lone
Ranger was one of those programs. In an earlier era, when the 
networks were more regional, the same script might be used with
different casts for east coast and west coast. When the east coast
feed was available at a west coast location, the program would be
recorded on a 16 inch transcription usually from the inside out. The
reason for that was that the thread produced by the cutting process
could be swept to the center of the disk and picked up by a vacuum
system whereas going from the outside in often resulted in cutting
through the thread which was fatal to the recording.
While the tape recorder became available after WWII, it wasn't
widely used until well into the 50s and I knew of stations in
the 60s that had only 1 or 2 of them. The Magnecord PT6 was in
more radio stations than the Ampex. It's fast forward was really
slow but no one ever tried to stop the tape during rewind after
their first attempt.
Syndicated shows were usually sent from station to station on
transcription disks. That same process was used in television
too. Somehow it became known as bicycling tapes. Every Monday
morning the shipping dept would be piled high with tapes. Now
nearly all syndicated TV shows go up on the bird and are 
recorded by the stations using the program.
Those radiio programs that wound up on disc make up much of
what is in the otr library. Often those discs were intended 
for the Armed Forces Radio Service.

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:24:48 -0500
From: BR3D@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Storage of OTR cassettes
Message-ID: <951123122447_31898794@[removed]>

Help! While I've been collecting OTR for several years now, I still have not
found a good way to store my cassettes. Reels are easy, a simple shelf takes
care of them, but, the cassettes are stored in boxes, drawers, and piles all
over the place. (my wife has this silly idea that the sock drawer is for
socks!)

Ed Carr gave me a couple of boxes that are similar to baseball card storage
boxes, they hold aproximately 24 cassettes in cases. I've tried to find this
same type of box, but, the closest I've come is a storage box from a company
called Bags Unlimited who deal in archival storage of all types. Their box is
very nice, it is black with a shoebox type lid and holds 20 cassettes in four
diveded sections. (if you don't use the dividers it'll hold 23 hard plastic
cases, more if you prefer the poly.)

My only real problem with these boxes is the price, $[removed] down to $[removed]
depending on the quantity. My main goal in posting is not necessarily to go
the cheapest route, but, find out if anyone has any better ideas before I
shell out a lot of money.

                                                    Thanks,
                                                        Bruce

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 11:03:10 -0800
From: dabell@[removed] (Alan Bell)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Kelsey Grammer
Message-Id: <v01520d01acda71426c02@[[removed]]>

On Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:24:32 -0500 Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]>
wrote:

>A week from tomorrow, November 30, NBC is
>showing a special on Jack Benny at 10 [removed]
>I only have one problem with it. It is a tribute to
>a giant hosted by a midget, Kelsey Grammer.

Oh, come on, aren't you being unduly harsh?  Of course he isn't a giant,
but I think it's a little unnecessary to call him a midget.  I think he's a
talented man with a good sense of comedic timing.  In fact, I have
frequently watched his program and thought that his "slow burn" takes and
pauses are certaintly influenced by Benny. I'd almost be willing to bet, in
fact, that he acknowledges his debt to "Jackson." In fact, when I heard
that he would be hosting the show, I thought that the choice of Grammer,
among those on the current scene, was particularly apt.

My only *real* problem with the show is that it will have a host *at*all*,
and will probably include an audience and parades of sit-com stars who will
mouthe gooey, insincere tributes, interspersed with insufficient clips from
Jack's old radio and TV shows.  What I'd really like would be a
full-fledged documentary *without* "hosts" and all that extra
time-consuming crap.  But that's commercial TV for ya. I'm sure the "suits"
don't think people would watch without the addition of current stars.  And
they may be right, unfortunatley. Sure I'll be watching, hoping for the
best.

_____________________________________________________________________
ALAN BELL  3768 Sonoma Avenue  Santa Rosa, CA 95405  dabell@[removed]
=============================707-546-6988============================

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 14:04:45 -0500
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Shepherd, Texas Rangers, Corliss Archer, Johnson, ET's, Dummy
Message-ID: <951123140444_114840877@[removed]>

Hi Gang -                Thanksgiving Morning 11-23-95   

Several items (as usual)...

First Item ---  It Runs in the Family ----

The Jean Shepherd movie, "It Runs in the Family" that was recently 
broadcast on SHOWTIME is the same as "My Summer Story", available on 
videotape.   You may recall that I commented on this production in 
an earlier issue. 

Next Item --- Texas Rangers March  -----

I believe it was in 1952 that on a "Tales of the Texas Rangers" broadcast
I heard the announcer say the theme song for that program was written for
the Texas Rangers.  They allowed the broadcasters to use it for the 
radio series as a theme.  Apparently there had been a lot of mail asking
questions about the song.  In a very unusual procedure, they then played
the entire theme song, which I believe is called, "The Texas Rangers 
March", without interuption, without voice-over.  This may have been the 
final program in the series.   During the past three years I have been 
able to collect all (?) of the circulating programs, but I don't have the
one with the complete Texas Rangers March.  Does anybody out there have
it?  I would like to trade for it if possible. 

In 1958 I took a course in broadcasting.  The instructor said that "we" 
should NEVER play a theme song all the way through.  He didn't say why.
Does anybody know why?   As I stated above, it was very unusual to hear
a complete theme song (with or without voice-over).  

Next Item  ---  Meet Corliss Archer  --- 

In issue 409, Kathy O'Connell asked about Corliss Archer and Jane Dulo. 
Corliss was played by Janet Waldo, which sounds a little like Jane Dulo. 
There were many cast changes during the long run from 1943 to 1955, but
Jane Dulo was not part of that show.

Next Item  ---  Johnson & Johnson  ---

Kathy also asked about Johnson & Johnson's connection with the OTR hobby.
It was JOHNSON WAX ([removed] Johnson & Sons), not Johnson & Johnson, that 
generously contributed the "Fibber McGee and Molly" collection to the 
hobby.  Perhaps J&J may have also had a connection with otr, but I don't
believe so. 

Next Item --- Lone Ranger ET's --- 

As most of you know, I'm an Amateur Radio Opperator.   Many years ago I 
talked to a fellow ham on the 40 meter band.  He told me that he had in 
his possession several "crates" of Lone Ranger Electrical Transcriptions.
Apparently these 16 inch ET's were encased in wooden crates (similar to 
orange crates, I suppose) for shipment.  One day my friend happened to 
be in "the right place at the right time", where workmen were cleaning 
out an old building.  A truck was in the alley and a metal chute was 
placed between a window of the building and the truck bed.  These crates
were coming down the chute.  My friend "rescued" a number of the crates.
I understand that several more crates wound up in the city dump.

Of course I asked about getting copies of the material (I really don't
need the discs except to borrow them to make copies).  He refused. 
He thought they might be worth something, so he was going to hang on
to them.  No amount of coaxing could pry them loose. 

Fortunately, as someone has mentioned, there were several copies of  
the Lone Ranger ET's made for distribution to various stations.  I'm 
sure that the "discs in the crates" material is now in general circulation
from other discs.  I don't know what the moral of the story is, except 
that nobody wins when people hoard programs.  In this instance, nobody 
lost either. 

Next Item ---- Ventriloquist's Dummy ----

I once met a ventriloquist.  He has (or had) the original bandsaw that
was used to make Charlie McCarthy's head in the 1920's.  I was told that
the proper name for a Ventriloquist's Dummy is "Figure".  I never heard
anyone else refer to the "Dummy" as a "Figure", but that's what I was
told.  During my visit, the ventriloquist took his figure (Dummy) from 
its case and placed it on his arm (I don't remember the Dummy's name). 
The Dummy began to talk to me.  The Dummy took on a personality of its 
own.  I talked to the "Dummy" for the rest of the visit, ignoring the 
ventriloquist.  It should be no surprise that Charlie McCarthy was a real
person to everybody he met.

---- Last Item ----

Welcome Back to Bill Mize.  Hope you're all settled in Florida. 

--- Happy Taping ---  Ken Piletic, Streamwood, Illinois 
kenpiletic@[removed]    W9ZMR

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 11:08:08 -0500
From: Nathan Gregory <ngregory@[removed]>
To: "[removed]@[removed]" <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Real Audio vs. .WAV files
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Nathan Gregory * [removed] #[removed] ] --

I am just catching up on my back email, so forgive me if I re-hash
discussions
that have already taken place that I simply haven't caught up with.  However
, in this discussion of the RA format I would like to point out five things.

(1) Real Audio is a proprietary format that may or may not catch on
(2) Wave files are really RIFF WAVE files which is a format designed by
Microsoft 
    and IBM and modeled after EA-IFF-85.  While not strictly compatable, and
not
    really an open, public format, their structure is well documented and
they are
    almost certainly here to stay.
(3) Wave files support compression schemes just as good, maybe better than
Real 
    Audio.  Take a look at the Truespeech format, which is provided with
Windows
    95 and NT (Win [removed] DLLs are downloadable for free from Microsoft).  A
half hour
    radio show takes only [removed] MB and sounds quite good, almost as good as AM
radio.
    {I will gladly email samples to anyone interested in a listen}
(4) Real Audio requires a real time connection using sockets that are not
always
    available.  Those of us on the Internet thru a corporate system
typically do 
    so thru a "firewall" which blocks such access.  A significant part of
your
    audience cannot access Real Audio because a firewall effectively blocks
the 
    ports necessary for such access.  Everyone with Windows can access wave
files.
(5) While the Real Audio player is free, the provider side software costs
money.
    Significant money.  This is a serious impediment for hobby use such as
ours.

I would urge anyone intending to put highly compressed audio up on the net
to take
a serious look at Wave files.  RA has too many negatives and offers NO
advantage.

Cheers,
Nathan

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 14:59:43 -0500
From: JIMBOY6165@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Virginia Payne
Message-ID: <951123145941_114872506@[removed]>

I was listening to an "X-Minus One" episode from 1955 last night which in its
cast had Virginia Payne (Ma Perkins).  Having grown up in rural Wisconsin
virtually listening only to WCCO Radio  (my folks were not dial switchers), I
remember "Ma" well as she accompanied almost every childhood lunch.
 Wondering if "Ma Perkins" was still running in 1955 as we were pretty much
TV'd by then and am not sure.  In "X Minus One " she played a part where at
first she sounded exactly like the Ma Perkins character but the role was that
of a Martian and she turned real villainous and out of the nice old lady
character for several lines.  Would have been kind of disillusioning to many
"Ma Perkins" fans.  Maybe the soap was still running and her agent wanted to
expand her, proving she could play other characters or maybe Viginia Payne
was just having fun.  I kind of lean toward the latter.  When the soap was on
for many many years, I know my grandparents were convinced they were alive
and well (most of the time) at that lumberyard, Ma and Shuffle and when the
actor playing Shuffle changed, didn't phase them at all, guess they thought
he caught a cold.

Incidentally, in the closing credits of "X Minus One," Virginia Payne, who
hadn't played a major character in the episode was fourth or fifth in line as
Fred Rollins read off the cast but he unmistakenly raised his voice and added
extra emphasis when he read "Virginia Payne."  Guess he was was a Ma Perkins
fan as well.

If anyone has any "Ma Perkins" episodes they want to trade for something from
my meager collection of mostly mysteries and detective stories, Please E-mail
me.

Also, Cedric Adams had some network radio -- he was "king" of WCCO and if
anyone has any of those, I would be happy to send my first born for it --
well, some of my tapes I mean.  He was a newsman/columnist but for a summer
or two went to New York and early in my collecting career I had one of those
shows -- quiz or interview shows which was on CBS Radio.  

Well, happy holidays all.

Jim in Hialeah, Florida
E-Mail   JIMBOY6165@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:22:44 -0800
From: MikeTimble@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Wistful Vista
Message-ID: <951123122242_19103164@[removed]>

<One thing that always confused me was their
< address of "79 Wistful Vista". If "Wistful 
 <Vista" is the name of the town, was their
< street named the same as the town? 
 
Fibber McGee and Molly did indeed live in Wistful Vista, but it was also the
name of the street the McGee's house was located. Someone else speculated
that the entire town may be on one street named Wistful Vista, but this is
not true. A running gag on the program was that everything always happened or
was located at 14th & Oak.

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 15:34:48 -0500
From: JRayb71827@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Meet Corliss Archer
Message-ID: <951123153447_114890794@[removed]>

Re: Kathy O'Connell's questions about "Meet Corliss Archer," I don't know
anything about the TV version, but here are some radio bits and pieces.  It
opened thusly:
"And now, transcribed from Holywood, we invite you to meet Corliss Archer,
America's teenage sweetheart, featuring Sam Edwards, Fred Shields, Mary Jane
Croft, and starring Janet Waldo."
Like a lot of shows, it wandered around the networks, starting on CBS in
1943.  It was on ABC in '50 and back on CBS in '54.  In addition to Fred
Shields, who played the father, that part was also once handled by Bob
Bailey, who had a list of show credits as long as your arm, including being
one of several leads on "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar."  Corliss's boyfriend,
Dexter Franklin, was played mostly by Sam Edwards, a great guy and friend of
this writer.  He was on radio "Gunsmoke," "Escape," and countless others.  He
and wife, Beverly, attend many of the OTR conventions and Sam came still
crank out a pretty fair teenage, cracked-voice, "Corr-rr--laiss."

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 15:45:43 -0500
From: JRayb71827@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Gripes re typos & Fred Foy info
Message-ID: <951123154543_88121227@[removed]>

I'm sometimes amazed by those who go on line just after apparently taking
"Unhappy Pills."  The latest example was Andrew Green who managed to "pule"
(that means whine or whimper, Andy) about a couple of typos by SAH referring
to Fred Foy material.  It's such a shame we can't all be perfect.  At any
rate, Andy even complained that SAH had it all wrong that Fred's cassette or
CD is not available in stores.  Well, so it is, but the address given was
direct to Fred and it's pretty obvious that he would have a better profit
margin for himself by eliminating some of the middle men.  And since I
consider him one of the finest announcers of them all, I don't seem to mind
him doing okay.  'Nuff said.  I DO SO hope I haven't made any typos 'cause,
gosh, I wouldn't want to upset acg's tender psyche.  Oh yes, my name is John
Rayburn just in case Andy needs a direct target for further infantile
observations.

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 21:34 GMT
From: midshires@[removed] (Andrew Emmerson)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: midshires@[removed]
Subject: Re: The Glums, [removed] Digest V95 #409
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

In-Reply-To: <[removed]@[removed]>
>The third is a British radio show called "The Glums"

This was extremely popular in the 1950s, the main star being Jimmy 
Edwards (who had a huge handlebar moustache). Being of tender age in 
those days, I didn't listen to it then but I'm sure repeats have been 
played on the BBC in recent years. I've looked through the tapes that the 
BBC sells and I don't see The Glums there, however. If you e-mail me 
direct I can put you in touch with a collector who has a Glums show. 
Andy, midshires@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 13:56:36 -0800
From: rrking@[removed] (richard king )
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: John Dunnings Book
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Dunnings book will not be out until maybe late 1996.  This is from
Dunning.

Dick King
RHAC

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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 20:55:31 -0600
From: Lou Genco <lgenco@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA: OTR WWW Pages Moving
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Just in time for Thanksgiving (*burp*), I was informed that the new domain
for my WWW page has been approved.  Most of the beta testing has been
successful, with a few remaining problems with the Humongous OTR Database
Engine.

Here is the new URL for the Original Old Time Radio WWW Pages:

                    [removed]

Lots easier to remember than the old one!

Visitors to the old page will find the layout of the new one somewhat
familiar, but finding your way around should be MUCH easier.  Some new
goodies are there too!

Let me know how you like the newer look of the OTR page.

Lou
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WWW page on "Old Time Radio":                   [removed]
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Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 22:39:27 -0500
From: JRayb71827@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Wistful Vista - town or street?
Message-ID: <951123223926_115088252@[removed]>

Concerning the question about Fibber McGee and Molly's address being just the
street or was the town named the same - yes - it was both.  On August 26,
1935 the program  had the pair stopping in the little town of Wistful Vista.
 A big promotion by a realty company was underway and Fibber bought a
2-dollar ticket.  It was for a free house but he bought it mostly because
anyone taking a ticket also got some free sandwiches.  Well, a "Miss Susie
Glotz" pulled out ticket number 13-13-13 and Fibber won and fainted when he
did.  The house was at the to-become-famous address of #79 Wistful Vista.
 However, a lot of Fibber fans don't know that wasn't the REAL number.  On
the broadcast of February 15, 1939, it was disclosed that a big old lilac
bush had, for several years, covered up the actual address of #81 Wistful
Vista.  But, they went ahead and used #79 anyway.  It was just another little
twist by writer Don Quinn.  Incidentally, I always find myself amazed by the
fact that Quinn  wrote all that wonderful, down-home, cornball humor for
years and then later switched over and wrote the sophisticated "Halls of
Ivy," with Ronald Colman and his wife, Benita Hume (Colman).  Incidentally,
many of the fictional town happenings on the McGee show were the sort that
would have occurred in Peoria, Illinois in those days.  It was the home town
for both Jim Jordan (Fibber) and Marian Driscoll (Molly) and she strongly
insisted that they couldn't have any thing going on in Wistful Vista that
couldn't have been going on in Peoria.  Fibber, by the way, was a big
basketball fan and once sponsored an AAU team.  I met him while I was
broadcasting games in the long-ago National Industrial Basketball League and
he sat in with me for an interview at halftime of one of the games.

------------------------------

Date: 24 Nov 95 00:38:09 EST
From: Ross/Corinne Learn <[removed]@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <,OTR@[removed]>
Subject: JUST SAW JACK BENNY TRIBUTE!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

I wanted to let everyone know (in advance of November 30) make time to catch the
Jack Benny Tribute show on NBC.  Like most shows of this type, NBC draws from
it's plethora (spell check please) of stars to reminise about how Jack Benny
influenced their careers.  There is also a great deal of clip material from
Jack' s television years, including some guest shots he made on other shows.
Being a bit of an OTR purist, I think stars that went to television from radio
were funnier in their former media, Benny was funny all the way through.  Enjoy!
[removed] Folks
[removed]

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