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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 159


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Frontier Fighters log
	 ROY HOOPER - where are you?
	 Jack Benny et al
	  Al "J" Collins
	 Re: Eternal Light
	 Re: Silly Ovaltine Question
	 One of a [removed]
	 Fibber McGee and Molly
	 Fibber McGee & "Teenie" 
	 Cassette storage
	 Fibber McGee's little girl
	 Missing Girl, Sabrina Warren.

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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 00:27:41 PST
From: passage@[removed] (Frank M Passage)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Frontier Fighters log
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

                       F R O N T I E R   F I G H T E R S
                       ---------------   ---------------

                                     1930's


     First Show: ??-??-??                             Last Show: ??-??-??
     Number Shows: 39                             Audition Show: none
known


     Show Description:

     FRONTIER FIGHTERS was a syndicated series that ran sometime during 
     the 1930's.  Each show dealt with some bit of history about the
early
     West and lasted 15 minute.


     List Comments:

     As can be seen from the list below, this series is not well covered 
     by various vendors.  However, for those interested, the full run can
     be had.  No mention was made of broadcast dates, therefore this
field
     has been omitted for the list.  Show numbers came from the Avpro and
     NARA catalogs.  Some of the RHAC show titles differed from the Avpro

     ones.  In cases where the difference was slight, I used the one that

     offered more information.  Otherwise, I placed the Avpro title first

     and the RHAC title second, in parenthesis, either after or below the

     first title.  Two RHAC titles coldn't be matched with others in the 
     list.  These are placed below the main 39 in the list.


     List:

         Num  Title                                 Src Key
         ---  ------------------------------------  ---------
           1  Robert LaSalle                        123
           2  Lewis & Clark                         1 3
           3  Zebulon Mt. Pike                      123
           4  John C. Freemont                      1 3
           5  Kit Carson                            1 3
           6  Jebediah S. Smith                     1 3
           7  Dr. Marcus Whitman                    1 3
           8  John McLaughlin                       1 3
           9  The Donner Party                      1 3
          10  Fall of the Alamo                     1 3
          11  General Stephan Watts Kearney         1 3
          12  Brigham Young                         1 3
          13  Joseph L. Meek                        1 3
          14  Lyman A. Culter & George C. Pickett   1 3
          15  John A. Sutter & James W. Marshall    1 3
          16  William F. Cody (Buffalo Bill)        1 3
          17  Pike's Peak Rush                      1 3
              (Idaho Territory)
          18  Santa Fe Trail                        1 3
          19  James B. Hickok (Wild Bill Hickok)    1 3
          20  Reverend Thomas Starr King            1 3
          21  Cochise and Captain T. J. Jefferts    1 3
          22  Grenville, Dodge & Leland Stanford    1 3
              (Union Pacific and Central Pacific)
          23  Massacre At Taos                      1 3
              (New Mexico Territory)
          24  Custer's Last Stand                   1 3
              (Little Big Horn)
          25  Stephan F. Austin                     1 34
          26  Oregon 54-40 Or Fight                 1 34
              (Oregon Territory)
          27  Nevada And The Comstock Lode          1 34
          28  John F. Phillips                      1  4
              (Bozeman Trail)
          29  Oklahoma Land Rush                    1 34
              (Oklahome Territory)
          30  Oregon And The Pacific Republic       1 34
              (Oregon Territory)
          31  Annie Tallent                         1  4
          32  Bert Perrine                          1  4
          33  Wells Fargo                           1  4
          34  Anton P. K. Stafford                  1  4
          35  Arthus A. Denny                       1  4
          36  Yellowstone National Park             1  4
          37  Eliza Ann Brooks                      1
          38  Nelson A. Miles                       1
          39  Alaska                                1

              Dakota Territory                        3
              Idaho Territory                         3


     Information Sources:

     The information above was obtained from the following OTR vendor
     and club catalogs.  Contact them directly for more information.

         Key  Source
         ---  -----------------------------------------------------------
          1   AVPRO, [removed] Box 1392, Lake Elsinore, CA 92531-1392
          2   Radio Showcase (Steve Kelez), [removed] Box 4357, Santa Rosa, CA

              95402
          3   Radio Historical Association of Colorado, [removed] Box 1908, 
              Englewood, CO 80150
          4   North American Radio Archives (NARA), 134 Vincewood Dr., 
              Nicolasville, KY 40356.

     I have dealt with some of the above, but to be fair to all, this is
not 
     an endorsement of them.  I receive nothing by mentioning them. 
These 
     vendors and clubs have helped keep OTR alive.  Please support them. 
 


     Last Update: 05-01-96


     Although I retain copyright, this log may be freely copied provided 
     that the text is unchanged.  Please share it with fellow OTR lovers.
 
     I would greatly appreciate any error corrections or additional
     information. Please send them to: Frank Passage, 109 Elmwood Road, 
     Verona, NJ 07044 or via e-mail to passage@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 23:45:30 -0400
From: DBrockway@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: ROY HOOPER - where are you?
Message-ID: <960501234528_104816100@[removed]>

Help!

I'm trying to get in touch with an OTR collector with whom I've lost touch.

If any of you can give me a current address for:

ROY HOOPER
3074 MOLOKAI PLACE
COSTA MESA, CA  92626      (this address is 9 years old!)

...I'd be more grateful than you can imagine. Roy and I traded Bob & Ray
tapes years ago, and I'm desperately trying to get back in touch with him

Anybody know Roy, then or now?

My E-mail is dbrockway@[removed]

Thanks!

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Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 02:00:52 -0500 (EST)
From: JACKBENNY@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Jack Benny et al
Message-id: <01I47OLID2UQ9ARV2B@[removed]>

I'm in the midst of catching up on my OTR Digests (after moving our house),
so will run down the answers to some various questions I've seen being batted
about.

1)  Jack did not live next to Ronald Colman.  When they lived at 1002 North
    Roxbury, Lucille Ball indeed lived in the house on the south side of
    them.  I'm also not sure who lived on the north side.  In fact, so many
    people would go to the house next door and ask for the Colmans, that they
    eventually put a sign on the door saying something to the effect of 
    "Ronald Colman does not live here!"
2)  Benita Hume played herself.
3)  The longest laugh?  The biggest laugh?  I'm not sure that anyone has ever
    taken a sound meter to measure, in decibels, the biggest laugh (at least
    not that I know).  I did time the "oh shut up" laugh between Don-Dorothy
    Kirsten-Jack about fourteen years ago.  However, the number that sticks
    in my head just doesn't seem right.  Perhaps I'll retime "oh shut up" and
    "money or your life" and report back (unless someone already has).  Jack
    indeed did claim that "oh shut up" was the longest laugh, but having heard
    his retelling of it, I believe that the facts were not allowed to get in
    the way of a good story.  Frank Nelson disagreed with them both, saying that
when he delivered the line "Well who do you think I [removed] Pooson?", Jack
    laughed so hard, falling on the floor, and all the standards, that the
    audience continued to laugh at Jack laughing, rather than the joke itself. 
    Know I've told the whole story here previously, so if you need a retelling,
    please let me know.

--Laura Leee
International Jack Benny Fan Club

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Date: Thu,  2 May 1996 06:12:00 GMT
From: [removed]@[removed] (Marty Tabnik)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject:  Al "J" Collins
Message-Id: <96050200300725085@[removed]>

I listened to Al in NYC in the 1950s.
At that time, his "nom de broadcaste" was always spelled
        Jazzbo

He may have gussied it up later, but it was Jazzbo', short for
        Jazz Boy.

---- new topic "Little Girl on Fibber McGee" -----

"Teeny" was played by Marion "Molly" Jordan.
And, like Marlon Hurt's portrayal,
        The actor's identity was part of the joke.
[Marlon, a WHITE MAN, would stand with his back to the
audience until his cue when he would turn around and
yell "Somebody bawl for BEAULAH?"!]
---
 * SLMR [removed] * "How do I know?  'Cos my name is Harry Lime."

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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 08:19:08 -0400
From: stevecap@[removed] (Steven Capsuto)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Eternal Light
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>I was wondering if there is a site which has a complete archive
>of the Eternal Light which was narrated by Alexander Skorbey.
>In the early years of the program they were dramas and later on

I'm also curious about recordings of this series.  I have (somewhere) one of
their scripts, titled "How Manny Got Into the Seventh Grade," and it's a
charming drama.
___
Steven Capsuto, Philadelphia
stevecap@[removed]
WEB page: [removed]~[removed]

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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 07:24:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: shoshani@[removed] (Michael Shoshani)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Silly Ovaltine Question
Message-Id: <m0uExR7-000Y9qC@[removed]>

> Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 09:29:29 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Chris Stamper <clstampe@[removed]>
> To: [removed]@[removed]
> Subject: Silly Ovaltine Question
> Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
> 
> I visited a New Jersey Pathmark grocery store and found two versions of 
> Ovaltine. One was an American formula that had sugar in it. They seem to 
> be in the middle of a design change with the label. Some of these jars had 
> the standard blah look, while others had a retro style.

[removed] American manufacturers (Sandoz Nutrition) have redesigned the 
label in more of a 20s-30s design style.  (Guess they never SAW a 20s or 
30s tin of Ovaltine, because those weren't that fancy :-) )

> 
> The other had Chinese writing on the label and said "Made in The United 
> Kingdom." The jar was tall and thin, instead of the short, fat one I know.
> The powder inside has no sugar.  I bought it because I could put Equal in 
> it and make my own Diet Ovaltine. The label on this jar is more modern 
> and looks nothing like its American cousin except the logo.
> 
> The two taste about the same, but I preferred the UK version.
> 
> Since neither brew is from the original company that made the stuff, 
> which one is closer to the real thing.

The UK version *IS* from the original company that made the stuff.  Well, 
the *original* company is in Switzerland and still makes it [removed] 
set up a branch in the UK at Kings Langley in 1913, where British Ovaltine 
is still made.  A branch was set up at Villa Park IL in the United States
in 1917, but that factory was closed in 1986 and offices moved to 
Minneapolis.

Wander Ltd (the original company) was acquired by Sandoz in the 1980s.  
Wander still does business under the name Wander in most of the world, but 
in the USA they had already been marketing under the name "Ovaltine 
Products Company" for some years, so Sandoz just changed the name to 
Sandoz Nutrition.  It is still made here by them, but distributed by 
another company.

> 
> Did the Ovaltine you scooped out of the jar with the Little Orphan Annie 
> stuff in it contain sugar or did you have to add it yourself?
> 

Well, depends. :-)  The original ORIGINAL Ovaltine was very similar to the 
UK "Chinese" version you found in Pathmark.  It was, in fact, advertised 
in this country as being made only from Malt, Milk, Eggs, and Cocoa.
By the 1920s, The American Wander Company was producing two versions of 
Ovaltine: "Plain", which  was the original unsweetened version, and "Sweet 
Chocolate" (a/k/a "Chocolate Flavored") which had sugar added to the above 
formula.

I believe Little Orphan Annie was associated with the sweetened version, 
as the only radio ads I have are ones that plug "Sweet Chocolate 
Ovaltine". This would make sense, as the sweetened one would appeal to 
children.  Ovaltine was first marketed as a dietary supplement and a 
sleeping aid, so the unsweetened version probably had a "medicinal" air 
about it.  This was a time when people routinely took pills and potions 
for whatever symptom they had, without knowing what was inside them. :-)

Hope you found your answers.  And I hope you enjoy the Chinese Ovaltine.
I myself buy it in 2 Kg [removed] it :-)

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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:45:31 -0400
From: Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: One of a [removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

...answers to the question of the little girl on Fibber McGee and Molly. The
little girl's name was "Teeny" and she was played by none other than Marian
Jordan aka "Molly".

Just so you newcomers know, Marian also played Sis, Geraldine, Old Lady
Wheedlelock, Mrs. Wearybottem (!) and Lady Vere-de-Vere. 

Beulah was played by a white guy and Johnson's Glo-Coat will make your kitchen
linoleum shine like it never has before.

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Date: Thu, 02 May 96 09:16:00 PDT
From: "Litsey, Alan" <alitsey@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fibber McGee and Molly
Message-Id: <3188E2D4@panther>

In response to Gayland Darnell's question regarding the Little Girl on 
Fibber McGee: Marion Jordon (Molly) played her. Jordon played other 
characters on the show as well, I understand. Doubtless other OTR folk can 
identify them! 

Radio Spirits is distributing the 1987 history of the program, HEAVENLY DAYS,
for a reasonable $[removed] (plus handling charges). I enjoy the program, as 
well. It has great warmth, and playfulness. 

Alan Litsey

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Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 08:29:23 -0600
From: CHCOX@[removed] (Chet Cox)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fibber McGee & "Teenie" 
Message-ID: <[removed]@fromGW>

Gayland, you couldn't have picked a better series to listen to with your
wife.  I've long been of the opinion that the FM&M show (or "Johnston
Wax Show" if you wanna be technical) makes for great group listening.

Teenie (sp?), the little girl who drove Fibber nuts, was played by Marion
(or "Marian" - I've seen it spelled both ways) Jordan - Molly herself! 
There's a hilarious bit in one show (1944?  I think it was the first
appearance of Beulah.) when Teenie asks why Mrs McGee is never
around when she (Teenie) appears.  "Doesn't she like little children?" 
The audience was unable to control themselves after that.

Teenie inexplicably became old enough to date and simultaneously
ceased to exist as a "real" person (within the FM&M alternate reality)
during the movie "Look Who's Laughing" with Edgar Bergan, Lucille Ball,
Hal Peary, and Jim & Marion Jordan.  In that, Molly plays a joke on Charlie
McCarthy by calling him and doing Teenie's voice, convincing Charlie that
a hot babe was waiting for him in the small town.  Upon discovering that
Teenie was a figment, Charlie became so bitter he changed his name to
Joe and began searching for Communist conspirators in Hollywood. 
(OK, the last was a joke.)

>>>Anyway, my wife and I listen to a lot of Fibber McGee and Molly
programs, and  there is a little girl on there (who, as far as I know, goes
only by the name  "little girl").  My question is this:  Is this really a little girl,
or someone  PRETENDING to be a little girl?  I think it is someone
impersonating a little  [removed] it?  I have noticed in catalogues (Radio
Spirits?) that Baby Snooks  was played by a woman who was much
older than the child she portrayed.  I guess  that is why I am making the
same assumption in this case.  Am I right?

Gayland Darnell

hankie@[removed]

 -----------------------------


*jeep~

~Chet
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Date: 02 May 96 12:22:30 EDT
From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed]>
Cc: Dave Van Nostrand <davetv5@[removed]>
Subject: Cassette storage
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Re:  Cassette storage and computer logging

I thought no one would ever ask ....
When my cassette collection hit the 5,000 mark a couple of years ago -- and they
were stacked in boxes in various corners of the family room -- my wife gave me
an ultimatum:  Find a better way to store them, build a new house or move out.
I chose the less expensive route, thanks to an accountant friend.  He gave me
heavy-duty cardboard file drawers used to store business checks.

Each drawer measures app. 26" deep X 11 1/2" wide X 5 3/4" high.  The drawers
can be stacked safely up to 5 or 6 high (they have metal rods for reinforcement)
to take up minimum floor space (More than 6 high and the weight is too much --
the bottom drawer will start to cave.)   By storing the cassettes vertically
without plastic cases, I get 4 rows of 57 cassettes in each drawer (228
cassettes --- with plastic cases, c. 170).  The best part is that each drawer
pulls out so that it is easy to access the tapes without outstacking boxes.  

These drawers are inexpensive, portable and compact.  I buy the drawers mail
order from Quill Corp., Palatine, IL, (800) 789-1331.  They are called Record
Transfer Files - Business Check Size (Catalog #7-TF911).  They come 6 drawers to
order and cost $[removed] each ([removed] for 6) -- cheaper in larger quantities.
Shipping is free.  

My collection is now neatly stacked on one wall, readily accessible. and best of
all,  my marriage is intact.

Re:  Computer cataloging program
I use Q&A [removed] from Symantec (which comes in both DOS and Windows versions).
Almost any database program will do the job.  I like Q&A because its easy to use
and it also incorporates a word processer (Q&A Write) which allows me to create
report and printout formats to my liking as well as print cassette labels
directly from the database.  

In designing your database structure, think through all the ways you might want
to access the information about shows before you start.  Once you have entered a
lot of records, if you decide to change your database structure, you could be in
for a lot of rework.  

Good luck!

Alan

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Date: 02 May 96 12:22:34 EDT
From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Fibber McGee's little girl
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

>Gayland Darnell asked re Fibber & Molly:
>Is this really a little girl, or someone PRETENDING to be a little girl?  I
think it is someone >impersonating a little [removed] it?  I have noticed in
catalogues (Radio Spirits?) that Baby Snooks 
>was played by a woman who was much older than the child she portrayed.  I guess

t>hat is why I am making the same assumption in this case.  Am I right?

You are right -- The little girl --named Teeny -- was played by Marion Jordan
(Molly).  Notice that the scenes with Teeny are always with Fibber, never with
Molly.

Alan

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Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 18:07:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Philip Quardokus <quardok@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
cc: otr@[removed]
Subject: Missing Girl, Sabrina Warren.
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi Folks,

I have been lurking for a few months and have enjoyed the digest.  I know 
that we get upset if the discussion strays from OTR to Stan Frieberg 
(sic).  However, I feel that I must risk your ire with this post.

A girl from our church is missing!  You can see her picture on our homepage.

[removed]

Sabrina Warren is 16.  She disappeared from her home in the early morning
hours of May 1, 1996.  She is in possible danger.  She may be in the
company of Zach Scholtz a 17 year old.  She needs medication and does not
have her Medic ID bracelet.  It is possible that she has been kidnapped.

If you see Sabrina please contact the FBI or call her parents, Wally and
Wendy Warren at 616-429-0163 or Christ Lutheran Church 616-429-7222

Philip Quardokus, Senior Pastor
Christ Lutheran Church & School
Stevensville, MI 49127

[removed]

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