Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #92
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Date: 3/10/2002 4:03 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 92
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Not astounded at Lone Ranger Popular  [ "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed] ]
      Great buys on blank cd's              [ ilamfan@[removed] ]
      Hi-Yo, Hi-Yo, It's To the Past We Go  [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Secret Patrol?                        [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      There They Go Again ...               [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      OTR Stamps                            [ "Arte" <arte@[removed]; ]
      Time Machine & new Lone Ranger        [ Alan/Linda Bell <alanlinda43@yahoo. ]
      i need some help                      [ "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed]; ]
      Radio Goes to the Movies, Lillian Bu  [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      MORE RADIO WINES: STILL ON THE MARKE  [ Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@doityours ]
      Cresta Blanca                         [ "Irene Heinstein" <[removed] ]
      The Black Museum                      [ StevenL751@[removed] ]
      OTRN Schedule                         [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
      Astounded at the Lone Ranger          [ ADeTol1@[removed] ]
      Doc Savage Radio Shows                [ ilamfan@[removed] ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Re: Benny shows 1953                  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      NBC Recordings at LC                  [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
      William Shatner                       [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
      A pleasant memory                     [ otrbuff@[removed] ]
      Who was it?                           [ Bill Harris <radioguy@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:33:26 -0500
    From: "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Not astounded at Lone Ranger Popularity on

    Radio
    Approved: ctrn4eeWlc

    What's not to like about the Lone Ranger on radio?   I always preferred him
    on radio to the images that the comic books put forth.  He just seemed more
    "real."  The closest thing to the radio show was the first Republic Pictures
    serial from which Trendle acquired all his neat music cues and bridges even
    though he hated the serial treatment of his [removed] then of
    course, came Clayton Moore who became the physical manisfistation of the
    character.

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    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:18:19 -0500
    From: ilamfan@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Great buys on blank cd's

         Just a note for those of you who burn OTR shows
    onto cd's - Starting Sunday 3/10/02 until 3/16/02 Office
    Max is selling a 100-pack of "Hi-Val" recordable cds for
    $40 with a $30 rebate, which (after the rebate) ends up
    being only 10 cents a cd!
         This may sound like an ad (it's not - I don't work
    for Office Max or have any of their stock or anything),
    but when I run into a good deal like this, I have to let
    people know.
         I bought a stack a few months ago for a similar
    rebate - it took 2 months to get the rebate (which is
    about par for the course - why is that?), and the cd's
    work just fine (I have used about 50 so far, and none
    have failed).  Although generally, you don't want to
    use "cheapie" discs for archiving (they just don't hold
    up as well over time as most name-brand discs), I will
    continue to buy these for "average-use" at these prices.
         There's also a $30 rebate for a 100-pack of "Spin-
    X" cds, I don't know the original price yet.  Has anyone
    out there had experience with this brand?

    Stephen Jansen
     --
    Old Time Radio never dies - it just changes formats!

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    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:29:32 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Hi-Yo, Hi-Yo, It's To the Past We Go

    :Jer51473 notes, anent the Lone Ranger,

>     I cant believe that this program was so well liked.  <snip> Its funny,
>     i was a great fan of the Lone Ranger, but more as a comic hero than as a
>     radio hero. <snip>  Was it one of the top rated in terms of
>     popularity back in the forties?

    The Lone Ranger was quite popular, and spanned more than 20 years.  As
    I've mentioned before, in the radio show, history was a part of many
    stories (even when the history was a tad inaccurate), unlike later
    presentations.  The Lone Ranger himself was presented as a legendary
    character, but not so legendary as to lose all humanity.  Some have
    likened him to a more modern version of a chivalric knight of old.

    Possibly the listening audience of the time had a greater sense of
    history than nowadays.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:29:54 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Secret Patrol?

    Andy DeToll, speaking of obtaining premiums, notes,

>     However to join Captaiin Midnite's Secret Squadron, it required going
>     to a Skelly Gas Station and requesting a special form from the owner.  I
>     remember asking for the form from a rather surly station employee.  He
>     was the exception, for most of the adults treated us kids pretty well in
>     those days.

    Actually, during Skelly Oil's sponsorship, the Captain Midnight group
    listeners could join was the Flight Patrol.  The Secret Squadron came
    with Ovaltine sponsorship.  The Flight Patrol was an "informal" group,
    meaning that it wasn't much of a story element, whereas the Secret
    Squadron was a group actively involved in storylines.  When I was
    listening, part of me was proud to be a Secret Squadron member, while
    another part wondered when I'd be able to get my hands on a Pocket
    Locator and a .45 automatic, like Chuck and Joyce had.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:29:59 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: There They Go Again ...

    As mentioned before, as time passes, things relating to OTR may have fact
    replaced by legend.

    In The Encyclopedia of Cryptology, by David E. Newton (ABC-CLIO, 1997),
    can be found a notation for Radio Serials, is the following:

    "Opportunities were offered to obtain decoder rings, badges, and other
    simple cipher devices that could be used for the transmission of messages
    from broadcast hero or heroine to listeners or between listeners."

    There never were "decoder rings" as OTR premiums.  But the legend goes on
    and on.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 21:14:22 -0500
    From: "Arte" <arte@[removed];
    To: "OldRadio Mailing List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: OTR Stamps

    Dr Biel [removed] trivia question for the group.

>     These three [removed] stamps each show something that
>     was actually a broadcast.  What are they?

    I'm not sure , but I would guess "War of the Worlds,"
    the Hindenburg, and the "Fireside Chats"

    Arte
    [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 23:05:09 -0500
    From: Alan/Linda Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Time Machine & new Lone Ranger

    "Arthur Lortie" asks:

>     Can anyone direct me to [or send me] an mp3 of the 1940's radio episode that
>     adapted Wells' Time Machine?

    If there is a 1940s version of The Time machine, I'd be interested in
    knowing about it too. I'm only aware of a perfectly execrable X Minus
    One version from the 1950s that just about made me hurl my cookies.

    And to the folks who are worried about the coming "desecration" of
    the Lone Ranger in the movies, I'm reminded of a story. Someone was
    supposedly commiserating with William Faulkner (I think), saying how
    sorry they were that one of his books had been ruined by the movie,
    to which he is said to have replied, "They didn't do a thing to my
    book. It's still there on the shelf, waiting to be read."

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    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 23:05:51 -0500
    From: "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed];
    To: OldRadio Mailing Lists <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: i need some help

    hi
    this is open to anyone who has handled glass discs, i need an idea
    to pkg and ship glass based discs and to see that they arrive
    safely across country, any input would be welcome, i have never
    shipped glass before and even though i think i know a way, i would
    prefer someone with experience
    ed

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    Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 23:06:43 -0500
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Radio Goes to the Movies, Lillian Buyeff

    Herb Ellis and Herm Saunders have now been added, along with Art Gilmore and
    Michael J. Hayde, to the Jack Webb/Dragnet panel for the Radio Goes to the
    Movies weekend in May. For details of events, see
    [removed]

    Herb Ellis informed us that Lillian Buyeff died about two months ago of lung
    cancer. Many of you may have had the pleasure of meeting her either at
    SPERDVAC or at the Friends of Old Time radio conventions. Does anyone have
    an obituary for her?  I couldn't find one on the internet.

    Thanks,
    Barbara

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    Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:48:56 -0500
    From: Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@[removed];
    To: "Radio  Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: MORE RADIO WINES: STILL ON THE MARKET

    There are two wines that sponsored radio shows during the Golden Era, that
    are still being sold today - and possibly a third one.  Manachevitts and
    Mogen David Wine were popular brands, and I think one of them (Mogen David)
    sponsored Sherlock Holmes at one time. The third one, although not a program
    sponsor, did have a running commercial by Orson Welles that ended with:. .  .
    "Paul Monet will sell NO [removed] its time!"  I remember the jingle for
    Manachevitts went something like this:  "Mano-mano-chevitts Kosher wine for
    me, that's the wine I want 'cause its heavenly, etc."

    Kevin Michaels

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    Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:49:25 -0500
    From: "Irene Heinstein" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Cresta Blanca

    I feel like a wine industry researcher.  This info about wine conglomerates
    and corporate wineries is not something I have at hand but at one time when
    I worked in survey research, around 1966, the company with which I worked
    was hired by Heublein Inc. for an exploratory study in the Napa Valley wine
    area  since they were interested in their own piece of the market such as
    Schenley industries had.

    Now to Cresta Blanca, which was founded in 1890, and in its long history to
    1941, was considered the finest winery in California, and is still
    considered the Most Historic one.  Using French cuttings, and having
    limestone aging tunnels and perfect soil,  it produced wine which to
    everyone's amazement won two gold medals at the 1889 Paris Exposition.   In
    1941 the Cresta Blanca estate and trade name were sold to Schenley
    industries which means they were the owners during radio years.   In the
    late 60s the Cresta Blanca winery and the limestone aging tunnels were
    closed.  Schenley industries was the producer of Cresta Blanca until 1971.
    In 1965 Schenley along with DiGeorgio became the 2 targets of Cesar Chavez'
    UFW organizing campaign, selected because they were both absentee corporate
    owners with the wine business being only a small part of their operations,
    and also because other divisions of their company were unionized.  (Both
    corporations eventually signed contracts with UFW)

    In 1971 the Cresta Blanca name was sold to the Guild Wine Company which as
    far as I can tell produced Cresta Blanca wine at least until 1977, perhaps
    later (even though it was not produced at the Cresta Blanca vineyards.)  So
    both Roma and Cresta Blanca ended up at Guild and from there to Canandiagua
    which does not produce any wine under the Roma or Cresta Blanca name.

    The Cresta Blanca vineyard and limestone tunnels were subsequently acquired
    by the Wente family.  Once known as Wente Bros. it is now called Wente
    Winery.  They restored the vineyards and limestone tunnels which are now the
    site of the Wente sparking wine production facility and restaurant.  The
    site is a California historic landmark.

    More then you probably want to know about Cresta [removed]
    from
    Irene Theodore Heinstein
    El Cerrito, CA

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    Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:49:45 -0500
    From: StevenL751@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: The Black Museum

    I just saw a news item on Reuters saying that the BLACK MUSEUM radio show is
    being turned into a tv series.  Although it's not totally clear from the
    article, it sounds like they will be taking the original Orson Welles
    narration from the radio version and using it to narrate the tv show, with an
    actor portraying Welles in silhouette.  The tv version is being produced by
    Harry Alan Towers, who also produced the radio version in the 1950's.  He's
    producing it in England, and hopes to sell it "around the world" starting in
    September.

    Steve Lewis

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    Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 01:11:41 -0500
    From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: OTRN Schedule

    Here's the schedule of Olde Tyme Radio Network shows for the week starting
    Sunday, 03/10/02:    [removed]

    SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges
    The Campbell Playhouse - 10/15/39  "Escape"  starring Wendie Barrie
    Theatre Guild On The Air - 10/12/47  "Cyrano De Bergerac - starring Frederick
       March, Florence Eldrige and Ernest Graves

    HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood
    NBC's 25th Anniversary - "The Magic Box"  with hosts, Fibber McGee & Molly,
    who
      "tune in" on a plethora of top NBC talent from the first 25 years.
    Dick Tracy - 5/8/45  The V-E Day broadcast.

    ENJOY!    Tom & Jerry

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    Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 01:12:41 -0500
    From: ADeTol1@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Astounded at the Lone Ranger

    The Lone Ranger was the favorite program of all my friends when  we were
    inthe second, third and fourth grades in the late thirties and early forties.

    The reason was because each episode was complete, the rest of the kid's
    programs were all 15 minute serials , and there were a  loot of them.

    We all listened to Tom Mix with the wrangler, Jack Armstrong, Orpan Annie and
    the rest.  But none of them had the William Tell overture or the thundering
    hoof beats.
     I have about 200 of them on MP3 and I still enjoy them.

    Andy

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    Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 06:33:11 -0500
    From: ilamfan@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed] (OTR Bulletin Board)
    Subject: Doc Savage Radio Shows

         Does anyone out there have a *quality* version of
    the NPR "Doc Savage" radio series?  I have copies from 3
    different sources (internet download/ebay mp3 cd/OTR
    trader's club), all of which seem to have been taken
    from the same pitifully poorly encoded "swishy" mp3s.
         I really would like to hear this series in good
    sound - the acting and production seem to be excellent,
    but the poor quality really detracts from my total
    enjoyment.
         I know that someone out there must have recorded
    these shows with some good audio equipment, there must
    be a better master out there than a badly-made mp3,
    right?
         I've got plenty to trade, or would gladly pay for
    your time and trouble and materials - please email me
    off-list if you can help.
         Thanks very much!

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    Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:36:20 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Today in radio history

      From Those Were The Days --

    1922 - Variety magazine greeted readers with the front-page headline
    that read, "Radio Sweeping Country - 1,000,000 Sets in Use."

    1955 - The last broadcast of The Silver Eagle was heard on radio. It was
    said to be the last of the adventure stories on the air.

      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:36:54 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Re: Benny shows 1953

      I'd like to add my thoughts on the post 1953 Benny shows.
      Over all they are ok, but with Mary recording her lines and having
    them inserted they sound really flat.  Its as if she were handed a sheet
    of paper with only her lines and they are merely "read", not acted out.
    There is little (or no) life in her presention.  IMO Mary's part could
    have been dropped completely without any lost to the program and could
    have actually improved the show.
      Joe (ducking incoming)

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 11:37:12 -0500
    From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: NBC Recordings at LC

    I was just poking around the Library of Congress web site. If you go to
    [removed] you will find a page describing
    the NBC Radio Collection at that archive. Lots of information. If you have
    never visited, it is worth a little of your time.

    Joe Salerno

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    Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:28:42 -0500
    From: Grbmd@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: William Shatner

    In a message dated 3/9/02 5:03:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

>     Subject: Re: William Shatner on radio

>      Glenn Alexander asked

>      >Does anyone out there know which radio shows he [Shatner] did appear
>      on?

>      William Shatner appeared on at least two of the thirteen syndicated
>      revival shows of "Arch Oboler's Plays" in 1964.

    I don't want to be seen as an apologist for Shatner, because I sure am not a
    fan of his on TV or on the Priceline commercials.  But I just want to inject
    this comment.  Back in the Fifties or Sixties I saw Shatner in Baltimore live
    on stage in "The World of Susie Wong.".  He handled the part very well, I
    thought, and that was back when I didn't even know who he was.

    Spence

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    Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:53:26 -0500
    From: otrbuff@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: A pleasant memory

    Our two-year-old granddaughter was visiting in our home and soon went to
    a special book we keep readily available for her visits.  It's a
    battery-powered touch-activated Christmas tune affair -- you touch a
    symbol on the side and it plays a specific tune so that as a child her
    age turns the pages the tunes are linked with the illustrated stories.
    As I often do I was singing the words as our granddaughter activated the
    music and she was swaying and clapping her hands in time to the familiar
    notes.  We went through "Frosty, the Snowman," "Up on a Housetop,"
    "Jingle Bells" and several others.  Half-way through "Toy Land," a song
    whose lyrics, I'm thinking, begin:  "Toy Land, Toy Land, Beautiful Girl
    and Boy Land . . ." it dawned on me I was actually singing aloud:  "Dream
    girl, dream girl, beautiful Lustre Cream girl, You owe your shining glory
    to a Lustre Cream shampoo."  Some things never die.  Mr. and Mrs. North,
    Our Miss Brooks, Colgate-Palmolive-Peet and their advertising agency
    would have cherished the moment!

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 15:53:42 -0500
    From: Bill Harris <radioguy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Who was it?

    I was watching an "I Love Lucy" rerun last night and Lucy was
    trying to teach a tall, lanky, bashful, high school boy how to
    dance. As soon as he spoke I recognized the voice from some OTR
    program, for some reason Corliss Archer came to mind.
    Unfortunately they did not show the credits at the end of the
    program so I could not get his name. Has anyone else seen this
    episode and identify this actor?

    Bill

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