Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #27
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 1/18/2004 10:27 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 27
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Accurate logs on the web              [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      The Littlest Angel                    [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      vintage fillm from cold war era       [ "Scott D. Livingston" <[removed]@comca ]
      Re: [removed]  [ "Larry Cohen" <[removed]@[removed] ]
      Bob Hope                              [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      Re: Changing CD's                     [ "Larry Cohen" <[removed]@[removed] ]
      Fran Striker                          [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      Cincinnati Convention                 [ "Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed] ]
      Trendle villans and Paul Sutton       [ "James Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
      Product Placement                     [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      THE INTEGRATED COMMERCIAL             [ "mike kerezman" <philipmarlowe@cfai ]
      OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK               [ "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed] ]
      This week in radio history            [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Re: Product placement                 [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Re: other songs for 'lizbeth.         [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      EVOLUTION OF A NAME                   [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:31:46 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Accurate logs on the web

    Zongo wrote:

>     Well this is a horse of a different color!  I've been reading some of your
>     articles lately - simply amazing and accurate, may I say.  I loved both the
>     article on "Have Gun Will Travel," and the one on Edgar Bergen!  I never
>     new which Disney movies John Dehner worked on.  Really top notch articles.
>     Where can I find more of your articles or books?
>     Here is a shortcut to a lot of Mr. Grams articles:
>     [removed]
>     Mr. Grams, could you or someone else direct me to the most thorough and
>     accurate logs on line.

    You could write a whole thesis about that answer.  To make it short and
    sweet, there are literally dozens and dozens of web-sites that list episode
    guides and broadcast logs for radio shows.  The validity of the information
    varies from site to site and in many cases, from log to log.  Anyone
    seriously looking for a definitive source for a radio log specifically
    designed toward one particular radio program I highly recommend a book.  Any
    book that has been published usually means the author went in-depth in the
    subject, made numerous cross-references, had a staff of people look over the
    book's contents, and material not available elsewhere is all found under one
    cover.  So if you're looking for an episode guide for THE WITCH'S TALE, for
    example, you simply contact Dave Siegel and buy his WITCH'S TALE book.  If
    you are looking for an episode guide for INFORMATION PLEASE, you simply
    contact Ben Ohmart and buy a copy of the book from him.

    Now if no one has ever written a book about a particular radio program
    you're looking for, then the next reliable source is the internet but then
    you'll find discrepancies between the many versions and you'll have to check
    the compiler/author and find out where their source of information came
    from.  The original scripts? The recordings themselves?

    There is a researcher in California who once told me that he purposely fills
    in blanks with whatever titles he can make up.  His mentality is that it's
    better to have something than nothing.  My opinion is that's wrong.  Very
    wrong.  Cause people will take his word as the gospel and that just starts a
    chain of inaccurate information that is hard to put down.

    It's one thing to list information about OTR on the web, it's another thing
    to cease updating or making corrections.  Anyone posting any information on
    the web, especially OTR logs, I think, have a responsibility to keep the
    material updated and current.  That way mistakes that are caught will be
    fixed.  Any web-site that does this on a routine basis should receive a pat
    on the back.  And there are sites that update the information every few
    months.

    To sum it up, anything written about Old-Time Radio is always subject to
    corrections.  Any author who says their work is a definitive source and
    isn't open-minded to accept updates, corrections, improvements or additional
    trivia isn't being honest with themselves or to the people who read their
    work.  Even a couple of the articles and logs on the Audio Classics site is
    about to be updated.  Most will remain the same but one or two of them will
    be getting a couple additional tid-bits added, a few additional articles,
    and the one about G-MEN will be going through a revision by late January.

    As for a listing of reliable OTR information, that varies from site to site.
      Some places have dozens of logs available with only half of them accurate,
    while others only list one or two logs and those are superb.  You really
    have to browse the web and see what's out there and use your own judgment.
    Martin Grams, Jr. (who just spelled his name correctly)

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    Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:34:27 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Littlest Angel

    Kurt Yount mentioned:
    Littlest angel on Inner sanctum?  Well, they say you learn something new
    every day.  The only version I know is from Family Theater with Lauretta
    Young.

    Actually, not really.  "The Littlest Angel" was dramatized on THE FAMILY
    THEATER twice.   December 21, 1949 and December 27, 1950.  Loretta Young was
    the star for both broadcasts, and the story was adapted from the fairy tale
    of the same name by Hans Christian Andersen about the birth of Jesus Christ
    from the viewpoint of a four-year old angel.

    The same script, adapted by Charles Tazewell, was dramatized for syndication
    with Loretta Young again playing the lead (with co-star Charles Laughton who
    was not featured in the two FAMILY THEATER versions) and the Ken Darby Choir
    supplying the musical chorus.

    To the best of my knowledge, these are the only three broadcasts to feature
    "The Littlest Angel" drama based on the Anderson fable.  There was an
    episode of INNER SANCTUM MYSTERY entitled "The Littlest Angel" for December
    25, 1945.  Helen Hayes played the lead role (Himan Brown did offer a few
    non-horror dramas during the holiday season for a few consecutive years
    including Frank Sinatra being plagued by a happy-go-luck Christmas ghost in
    one).  The INNER SANCTUM broadcast was an original drama written for INNER
    SANCTUM about a woman suspecting her lover (who hasn't returned home yet) of
    not making it home for the holidays during a bad snow storm.  An angel
    guides her to find her husband, and the angel disappears.  Had nothing to do
    with the Anderson fable of the same name.  Just a coincidence.

    Martin

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    Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:33:12 -0500
    From: "Scott D. Livingston" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  vintage fillm from cold war era

    About a year ago some kind soul posted the web address of a site containing
    several dozen documentaries from the WWII and cold war era. Such as "Behind
    the Mike", "Trucking for Victory" and other shorts. Through  a computer
    crash, I lost the downloads and lost the web address and have been unable to
    relocate it using Yahoo and Google. If the person who originally posted the
    address, or if anyone else might have it I would appreciate getting it
    again.
    Thanks
    Scott

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    Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:33:58 -0500
    From: "Larry Cohen" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: [removed]

    Well, this might not be as easy as you think, But if you are running Outlook
    express as your news reader, you will need to D/L any of the free newsgroup
    readers IE: Free agent, Xnews, or power grab. Once you aare running those,
    than you would select the newsgroup you want to D/L from ie:
    [removed], and than wait to see what people post.
    Hope that helped, if you need email me and I'll attempt to help you with any
    other questions.

    Larry Cohen
    in -18 Anchorage, Alaska

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    Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:34:26 -0500
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bob Hope

    I believe that Bob Hope was essentially blind for the last twenty or so
    years of his life, though I don't think we ever got a straight story.

    Nobody could compliment a costume artist like he did in his movie roles.  A
    Playboy interviewer wrote that, though Hope used his writers for his
    professional work, he was one heckuva funny guy in just normal conversation.

    My favorite quote from him still makes me laugh.   Three years ago, the
    President or someone declared a Bob Hope Day.  His comment: "When you're 97,
    every day is Bob Hope Day."

    M Kinsler

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    Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:34:48 -0500
    From: "Larry Cohen" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Changing CD's

    Hi Sharon,

    In answer to your problem, If you have Nero start smart, switch the start
    menu to CD and select Make MP3, put your cd into the drive you want to move
    it from, and than hit the Add button, select the drive and than move the
    files to the hard drive.

    * Please make sure though that you are not doing this to copyrighted
    material

    Hope this helps

    Larry Cohen
    Anchorage, Alaska

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    Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:17:06 -0500
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fran Striker

    I picked up a Fran Striker book at a flea market last weekend:  The
    Secret of Thunder Mountain (A Tom Quest Adventure).

    Anyone know anything about this series?  What else did Striker write
    besides the Lone Ranger?

    And while I'm asking, were Striker's Lone Ranger novels written at about
    the same comprehension level as his radio scripts?  Or were they more
    "adult" than the radio version?

    ---Dan

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    Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:56:15 -0500
    From: "Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed];
    To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cincinnati Convention
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    Have Convention mailer ready. Anyone interested
    send mailing address. Due to our new hotel we will
    have some open dealers tables available.
    If you are coming you might make your reservations
    early. Last year the hotel was completely full, and
    some had to stay at one of the other near by hotels.
    [removed] Mention convention when making
    your reservation.
    The new hotel really worked out well. Larger re-creation
    room and dealers room. No one had to stand to see
    the re-creations, including me.
    Bob Burchett

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    Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:56:42 -0500
    From: "James Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Trendle villans and Paul Sutton

    Not only was Paul Sutton busy playing Sergeant Preston, but he was a regular
    on The Lone Ranger, almost always as a minor character, but sometimes a
    full-fledged bad guy.  One of his best performances can be heard in "Trail
    To Danger", Sept. 27, 1946 playing a Mexican bandit.
    The "Donna Dianna" Overture by Reznicek was used both as the Challenge of
    the Yukon theme and a bridge on the Lone Ranger.  Though used infrequently
    in the later years of the Ranger, during the period when only classical cues
    could be legally used on the Ranger (c. 1941), it was used heavily.  More on
    this topic is available from Reg Jones' marvellous book, "The Mystery of the
    Masked Man's Music".

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    Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:13:41 -0500
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Product Placement

>     Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:53:11 -0500
>     From: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];

>     I couldn't think of any concrete examples.  Do any come to mind for anyone
>     else?

    All the mentions of "Ovaltine" on the Jack Benny Program.  I assume that was
    product
    placement.  Or did Jack just like Ovaltine so much that he kept mentioning it?

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:14:48 -0500
    From: "mike kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  THE INTEGRATED COMMERCIAL

    Chirs Holmes wrote:

>     Wow, total product placement.  I've never heard The Whistler do that before.
>     It seemed so clumsy compared to today's advertising that it was like hitting
>     an audio speedbump.

>     I tried to think of other product placement instances.  Not commercials, but
>     "casual" mentions of the product as part of the story (besides Johnson's
>     Wax).  Does Sade ever mention buying or using Crisco?  Does Birdie ever
>     mention Kraft?  Did Archie, Jughead, and the rest ever make a point of asking
>     for Swift hotdogs?

    I once heard John Dunning (and others) refer to this as an integrated
    commercial. I disagree characterizing this as a audio speedbump. I much
    prefer a brief subtle reference to endless Commercial [removed] I much prefer
    how radio shows could have one sponsor and therefore not have have to plague
    the listener with endless commercials disrupting the story as well have on
    modern TV. I realize by end of OTR era commercial had become more prenounced
    like on SUSPENSE on 1959 episode "Script by Mark Brady"  there are three
    commercial breaks. I recently collected the STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION
    on DVD. This TV show was one in the early 1990s (1987-1994). These shows are
    actually only 45 mins long. That leaves room for 15 mins of commercials. The
    original STAR TREK shows in 1960s were exactly 50 mins leaving 10 mins for
    commercials. If I do the math on THE NEXT GENERATION thats means your
    watching commerical 1/4 of the time in any given hour and that was 10 years
    ago. It one reason why I seldon watch TV anymore and gave up on it years
    ago.

    Birdie did once mention Kraft in an episode but it was kind of outside the
    story (that is she did the commercial). Another great example: Richard
    Diamond in at least one episode in middle of story said he sat down at his
    desk and took out a CAMEL while thinking about the case. This was in show
    during CAMEL CIGARETTES sponsorship.

    Mike Kerezman
    Macomb, OK

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    Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:22:27 -0500
    From: "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK

    Hi friends

    Here is this week's line-up for the week of 1-18-04 on my Olde Tyme Radio
    [removed] Featuring Tom Heathwood's "Heritage Radio Theatre," Big John
    Matthews and Steve Urbaniak's "The Glowing Dial" and my own "Same Time, Same
    Station" broadcasts, being broadcast on demand 24/7 in high quality
    streaming RealAudio at [removed]

    Past archived broadcasts are also available there.

    We look forward to seeing you there!

    	Jerry

    Here's this week's lineup:

    SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges

    FIRST FABULOUS FIFTY
    Episode 2  10-17-76  "The Second Decade"
    Host Bob Hope
    Produced by NBC News
    Highlights of NBC's first fifty years of broadcasting
    Featuring Gene Shallot and Joe Garagiola
    Special Material by David Brinkley

    THE HINDS HONEY AND ALMOND CREAM PROGRAM
    1-10-36
    Stars: The Three Aces, Don Lange, John MacKenzie and Harold Keene
    Nice example of the popular songs of the period

    INFORMATION PLEASE
    Episode 39  02-07-39  Guest Panelist: Myron Wallace
    HOST: Clifton Fadiman
    PANEL: Franklin P. Adams, John Kieran, Oscar Levant
    Myron Wallace later changed his name to "Mike Wallace" and is still
    broadcasting on CBS every Sunday.

    UNITED STATES POSTAL INSPECTOR
    Audition Show  2-26-47
    STARS: Warren Williams
    DIRECTOR/PRODUCER/WRITER: Robert Webster Light
    =======================================

    HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood

    AMOS AND ANDY
    NBC    5-25-48    "Andy Wins a Plymouth"

    THE WHISTLER
    CBS-WEST    10-24-48    "Search For An Unknown"
    Stars: Frank Lovejoy and Willard Waterman

    BOB & RAY on THE DAVID LETTERMAN SHOW
    CBS-TV    David cannot stop laughing
    ========================================

    THE GLOWING DIAL with Big John and Matthews and Steve Urbaniak

    It's detective time on The Glowing Dial featuring:

    Nightbeat
    NBC     8/21/50     # 29  "Stay Of Execution"

    I Was A Communist For The [removed]
    SYNDICATED     6/3/53     # 59  "The Crossed Heart"

    The Lives Of Harry Lime (aka The Third Man)
    MUTUAL     5/23/52     # 43  "Murder On The Riviera"

    The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes
    MUTUAL     11/2/47     "The Adventure Of The Copper Beeches"

    The Whistler
    CBS     12/25/49     # 398  "Letter From Cynthia"
    ====================================

    Please feel free to contact me with any questions or requests for upcoming
    shows.

                Jerry Haendiges <Jerry@[removed];

      [removed]  The Vintage Radio Place
      Largest source of OTR Logs, Articles and programs on the Net

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    Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:23:27 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  This week in radio history

     From Those Were The Days --

    Jan 18 -

    1929 - New York Daily Mirror columnist Walter Winchell made his debut on
    radio, broadcasting a blend of political commentary and celebrity gossip
    to "Mr. and Mrs. [removed]" His quick-jabbing, penetrating manner
    became his trademark. And so did his fedora hat.

    1937 - CBS introduced listeners to Aunt Jenny's Real Life Stories for
    the first time. A complete story was told in five, 15-minute episodes
    which aired Monday thru Friday each week. Aunt Jenny was played by Edith
    Spencer and later, by Agnes Young. The show continued on radio until
    1956 and was sponsored over the years by Spry shortening and Lux soap.
    Aunt Jenny's whistling canary, for those of you ready to inquire, was
    played by animal imitator, Henry Boyd.

    Jan 20 -

    1954 - The National Negro Network was formed on this date. Some 40 radio
    stations were charter members of the network.

    Jan 21 --

    1927 - The first opera to be broadcast over a national radio network was
    presented in Chicago, IL. Listeners heard selections from Faust.

    1946 - The Fat Man debuted on ABC. J. Scott Smart, who played the portly
    detective, weighed in at 270 pounds in real life.

    Jan 22 -

    1956 - Raymond Burr starred as Captain Lee Quince in the Fort Laramie
    debut on CBS. The program was said to be in "the Gunsmoke tradition."

    Jan 23 -

    1937 - In an article published in Literary Digest, Edgar Bergen
    mentioned that he made his dummy pal, Charlie McCarthy, the beneficiary
    of a $10,000 trust fund to keep him in serviceable condition and repair.

    Jan 24 -

    1930 - Ben Bernie (Benjamin Anzelwitz) began a weekly remote broadcast
    from the lovely Roosevelt Hotel in NYC.

    1942 - Abie's Irish Rose was first heard on NBC this day replacing
    Knickerbocker Playhouse. The program was based on the smash play from
    Broadway that ran for nearly 2,000 performances. Sydney Smith played the
    part of Abie. Rosemary Murphy was played by Betty Winkler.

    Joe

    --
    Visit my slightly updated (1/1/04) homepage:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:23:54 -0500
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Product placement

     chris holm, in discussing product placement within a shows dialogue,
    [removed]

>     Did Archie, Jughead, and the rest ever make a point of asking for Swift

    hotdogs?

    To be perfectly honest, Chris, I'm a little fuzzy on that point. I seem to
    recall "Mom" Andrews saying she'd make us some Swift Hotdogs for lunch. And
    like other programs, commercials for Swift and/or Kraft were sometimes
    integrated into the story. Bob Sherry would "drop by" the Andrews home and
    have a conversation with one of the cast members while extolling the
    wonderful qualities of the products. I also recall, when we were on Prime
    time briefly for Kraft, Jughead was telling the announcer how much he liked
    Kraft Malted milkshakes.

    There could well have been more insidious product placement, Chris, but I
    just don't remember. Or I would have mentioned it in my book.

    "He! He!. :)   How's that for product placement in a conversation.

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

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    Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:24:21 -0500
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: other songs for 'lizbeth.

    Hi Roxy:

    If you liked to play (on your "Victrola") "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its
    Flavor on the Bedpost Overnight?", how about these other two classics that
    came out on a 45.

    "If I had a nose full of nickel's, I'd blow them all at-choo"

    and on the flip side, the ever [removed]

    "June-don't July to me".

    Honest, I'm not kidding. Real titles of songs written by a NY Cab Driver,
    who came to me one day plugging them. Ya had to have been there.

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

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    Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:24:31 -0500
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  EVOLUTION OF A NAME

    Victrola
    Record Player
    Turntable
    Hi Fi
    Stereo
    obscurity

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