Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #7
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Date: 1/7/2005 9:32 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2005 : Issue 7
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: "psychic" powers                  [ Ehutchison@[removed] ]
  Dragnet episode guide                 [ "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@neb. ]
  San Francisco Final                   [ Michael Berger <intercom1@attglobal ]
  Detroit and "The Cinnamon Bear"       [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
  Searching for the Silver Star         [ "Edmund Zebrowski" <starlightexp@ho ]
  Re: Weather                           [ Ken Dahl <kdahl@[removed]; ]
  Re: WTIC's Golden Age of Radio for J  [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
  RE: Mispronunciations/Andrew Sisters  [ "Jack Feldman" <qualitas@millenicom ]
  Abner's wife                          [ "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed] ]
  "The Bear Missed the Train"           [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
  Re: psychics on radio                 [ "Rodney W Bowcock" <[removed]@ ]
  Weather reports on radio              [ Eric Cooper <ercjncpr@[removed]; ]
  The Bear Missed The Train -- Jean Sh  [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
  What's On The Air (Dec. 1929)         [ Art Chimes <achimes@[removed]; ]
  Bei mir bist du schoen                [ "Kevin O'Donnell" <k_odonnell1@comc ]
  [removed]               [ Walt Baker <waltbaker@[removed]; ]
  Comic Strips on Radio                 [ benohmart@[removed] ]
  Cinnamon Bear where?                  [ Tom Greenli <tom_greenli@[removed]; ]
  1-8 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Alan Napier                           [ "Frederick S. Hillman" <fshillman@6 ]
  Mairzi Doats                          [ Al Girard <24agirard24@[removed] ]

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:21:11 -0500
From: Ehutchison@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: "psychic" powers
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In response to a query about a supposed "psychic" who used his  powers on
OTR, the name Joseph Dunninger comes to mind.  He was, of course,  a magician
who
had simply learned tricks that permitted him to simulate psychic  abilities.

Incidentally, anyone not familiar with Dunninger's act need only  watch the
Amazing Kreskin, as he has copied many of Dunninger's  tricks.

Edward Hutchison
Madison, MS

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:21:20 -0500
From: "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@[removed];
To: "old time radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Dragnet episode guide

Does anyone know if there is a detailed episode guide available for the
Dragnet radio and TV shows from the 1950's?  I'd like to get my hands on one
if possible.

RyanO

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:25:18 -0500
From: Michael Berger <intercom1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  San Francisco Final

I recently heard for the first time a show called San
Francisco Final from the mid-50s. Its intro claimed
that it was based on stories published in the San
Francisco Chronicle, a paper I worked for from the 60s
onward.

As Chronicle staffers are named in the show I heard,
and as I knew at least three of them, am most
interested in getting further information about this
show, including where it was produced. None of this is
evident in the signoff, which lists well known radio
actors such as Harry Bartell. Anyone else heard of
this show?

Michael Berger

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:26:03 -0500
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Detroit and "The Cinnamon Bear"

Clif Martin asks about "The Cinnamon Bear" and where it was heard. He
indicated he missed it during the 30's and 40's when he was living in
Detroit (I hope, Clif, I got that right).

That's a difficult question Mr. Martin is posing.   The only thing I am
sure of is that  "The Cinnamon Bear" played on Detroit's  WWJ-AM (and on
WAAM-AM, Ann Arbor/Ypsilanti,  which also hit the Detroit market) during
November-December, 1991, just a scant thirteen years ago.   I have a list
for that year of where CB appeared.  Remember, this program first emerged
in 1937 and has been playing in the Portland, Oregon market, and for much
of that time, in the Chicago market,  ever since. I don't know  if the
above referenced stations still exist.

What I do know is "The Cinnamon Bear" has played somewhere in the United
States since 1937.  That has to be some kind of record.

CB was widely syndicated by TRANSCO, and since Detroit is a fairly large
area, I presume it was heard there sometime in the late 30's or 40's.

The best place to currently acquire information about CB is the following
website ----- [removed]

Dennis Crow

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:26:09 -0500
From: "Edmund Zebrowski" <starlightexp@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Searching for the Silver Star

I do have one of the original Silver Stars from the Cinnamon Bear, but was
looking to get one for my brother. I have never scene one up on line for
sale. Does one know how rare they are, or how much I'd be paying for it?

Shade and Sweet water
Edmund

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 00:49:29 -0500
From: Ken Dahl <kdahl@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Weather

I cannot tell you the origins of weather reports on radio but I do believe no
current day or next day weather reports were allowed to be aired during World
War II.  The fear was that such information would aid our enemies if they
considered an air attack on our country.  I believe the same rules applied to
newspapers.

Regards,
Ken Dahl

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:01:45 -0500
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re:  WTIC's Golden Age of Radio for January
 6, 2005

Bob Scherago wrote:

June Havoc, was a radio, stage, and motion picture actress who performed in
such films as "Four Jacks and a Jill," "My Sister Eileen," and "Gentlemen's
Agreement."

June Havoc was also the kid sister of Gypsy Rose Lee and one could say
'immortalized' in the musical 'Gypsy' - remember, the cute blonde one

-Irene

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:00:58 -0500
From: "Jack Feldman" <qualitas@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  RE: Mispronunciations/Andrew Sisters
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Stuart Lubin wrote:

I would add that its pronunciation (shane)brings to mind how
many dialects are spoken in Germany, Swizerland, and Austria.  I have
heard that word pronounced that way in some dialects of German, but if
it were dialect, the first four words would have to have come out with
different pronunciations as well. My guess is that the language is
Yiddish, also a dialect of German. There were so many Jewish lyricists
that probably the one who wrote that song was Jewish, and if not, had
probably had friends who spoke Yiddish.

Stuart,

Close, but no cigar.

The title is in Yiddish which is based on medieval Austrian. If I remember
correctly, and thinking of the words it doesn't seem possible, the Andrews
sisters version is a translation from the Yiddish.

I don't know the author.

Jack

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:02:15 -0500
From: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Abner's wife

In #6, Dixon writes:

Here's what I want to know:  how often was
Abner's wife, Elizabeth, heard on "Lum and
Abner"?  I actually do have one show in
which she's heard shouting his name angrily,
at the end of the show in which Abner is
playing a radio"lonely hearts" advice
expert.

The one that springs immediately to mind is the New Years Day dinner episode,
where Elizabeth is heard calling Abner and guests in for dinner.  I won't
give away the punchline, but it's my favorite out of the L&A holiday episodes
(Thanksgiving's Chester the Turkey, Christmas 3 Wise Men, Thanksgiving's
Women's Work, and New Years Dinner).  You can listen to it here:
[removed], roll down to the Jan 2nd show.  It will
only be up through the weekend.

-chris holm

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 08:42:06 -0500
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  "The Bear Missed the Train"
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Hi Gang:

Folks here have recently written about misunderstanding the Andrews Sisters
lyrics for
"Bei Mir Bist du Schoen." Radio humourist Jean Shepherd often reminisced about
this
great song and how he had thought the actual lyrics were "The bear missed the
train,"
when he was a boy.

In the late 1970s after he had finished his long run on WOR-AM here in NYC,
Shepherd
did a low-budget show called "Shepherd's Pie" for NJN, New Jersey Network, a
local
venue for PBS programming. The show's theme song was the venerable big-band
classic
"The Jersey Bounce"...played on a kazoo! This programme contained a mixed bag
comprised of monologues by Shepherd,  mock travelogues of [removed] roadside
attrractions,
comedy vignettes, and guest performers. Once, a Dixieland style band came on
to perform:

"The bear missed the train,/The bear missed the train,/ The bear missed the
[removed]
and now he's [removed]

"And now he's walking far/And now he's walking near,/ And now he's driving in
his car/
And he's drinking a can of beer."

(I wonder if the "Mr. Shane" other Digest-ers evoked could have possibly been
OTR
detectice "Michael Shayne.")

I'd like to dispense with the "ether' momentarily and sign off the same way
Jean
Shepherd did on "Shepherd's Pie"...

"Think clean thoughts."

Derek Tague

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:05:41 -0500
From: "Rodney W Bowcock" <[removed]@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: psychics on radio

I don't remember the exact date but an early (probably second season)
episode of The Great Gildersleeve has Gildy posing as a fortune teller.
There may be one other episode of Gildersleeve that also deals with fortune
tellers.  I remember an episode where Leila Ransom falls for one of those
folks, but it may have been a subplot of the episode that I already
mentioned.

Not much help, I'm [removed]

Rodney Bowcock

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 10:05:54 -0500
From: Eric Cooper <ercjncpr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Weather reports on radio

In fact weather reports preceded most other forms of radio broadcasting.
In World War One, the military used radio for weather reports and then
beginning with the licensing of commercial broadcasting in the 1920s,
The Department of Commerce set up a special frequency (I believe it was
approximately 640kHz) just for weather reports and forecasts which were
very important for largely rural America in those days. I also recall
reading that during World War 2 the government forbade weather reports
on commercial radio , for fear that the Japanese and Germans were
listening in to see if the weather might be nice enough to bomb any
major American city. Slightly off topic, the National Weather Service
began it's own weather radio service on special frequencies outside the
AM/FM bands beginning in 1971.
My favorite radio weather memory is listening to Dale Harris of the
Weather Bureau doing the nightly Frost Warnings on KFI, Los Angeles for
many years, until new owners started changing the stations format around
1973

Eric Cooper

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:50:33 -0500
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Bear Missed The Train -- Jean Shepherd
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Hi Gang -

Before the "Bei Mir Bist Du Schoen" thread disappears, I  have a
question about Jean Shepherd's version of that song, ie,
"The Bear Missed the Train".

I'm sure that every Jean Shepherd listener (WOR, New York)  knows that
Shepherd often sang these words along with a record that  also had
a group singing the same words.

My question is:
Who recorded that record, and any other information about  it.  I'd like
to get a copy of it.   Thanks.

The Bear Missed The Train, And Now He's Walkin' (etc.  etc.)

Happy Taping -  Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:50:58 -0500
From: Art Chimes <achimes@[removed];
To: otr <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  What's On The Air (Dec. 1929)

I stumbled on some scans of this publication, which appears to be a
monthly national radio guide. It includes station lists, program
listings for about 100 stations, photos and other features, such as a
number (lame) jokes from blackface comics Paul Dumont and Al Bernard.

The Library of American Broadcasting
([removed]) has an incomplete run of
this publication from 1930-31.

Pages are scanned in fair but readable quality, and this page has
thumbnails and links to 17 pages (which may or may not be the complete
issue):
[removed].

(Caution: at least when I tried it, the server was quite slow.)

~Art

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:51:09 -0500
From: "Kevin O'Donnell" <k_odonnell1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Bei mir bist du schoen
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"Bei mir bist du schoen" was composed by Sholom Secunda for a Yiddish musical
that opened and closed in a single season.

[removed]

Kevin O'Donnell

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:51:30 -0500
From: Walt Baker <waltbaker@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  [removed]

In issues - Volume 2005 : Issue 5 & 6

Some people were mentioning the song by the Andrews Sisters and good ol' Meerzy
dotes - or [removed]
I remember several shows which were sponsored by Pepto-Bismol.
However the announcer ALways pronounced it "Pepto-BEZZ-MALL".
I could never understand why they felt it should be said in that manner.
I was/am just a radio fan. Perhaps some of the radio people could clarify why
they decided to use THAT pronunciation on air??
Walt B.

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:52:58 -0500
From: benohmart@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Comic Strips on Radio

Ron Lackmann's Comic Strips & Comic Books of Radio's Golden Age books are in now 
and will start shipping tomorrow. Thanks to all who have ordered. It's a Very fine looking 
volume, designed by the wonderful Valerie Thompson who I met at last year's Newark 
convention. She has a real love for radio, and it shows in her work. Martin Grams Jr. 
was smart to use her for his massive Gangbusters book.

Ben Ohmart

Old radio. Old movies. New books.
[removed]

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 13:55:49 -0500
From: Tom Greenli <tom_greenli@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cinnamon Bear where?

Cliff wrote;

Was it a regional thing?
Syndicated rather than network?

You can get a ton of information here;
[removed]

Hope this helps.
Tom

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 16:32:28 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  1-8 births/deaths

January 8th births

01-08-1903 - Roger Bower - NYC - d. 5-17-1979
announcer, emcee: "Can You Top This?"; "Stop Me If You Heard This One"
01-08-1909 - Jose Ferrer - Santurce, PR - d. 1-26-1992
actor: Philo Vance "Advs. of Philo Vance"; Minister "We Love and Learn"
01-08-1910 - Richard Cromwell - Los Angeles, CA - d. 10-11-1960
actor: Kit Marshall "Those We Love"
01-08-1911 - Butterfly McQueen - Tampa, FL - d. 12-22-1995
actress: Oriole "Beulah"; Butterfly "Jack Benny Program"
01-08-1923 - Larry Storch - NYC
comedian: "Duffy's Tavern"
01-08-1926 - Soupy Sales - Franklinton, NC
script writer, disc jockey: WHTN Huntington, WV
01-08-1933 - Charles Osgood - NYC
reporter: "Osgood File"
01-08-1935 - Elvis Presley - Tupelo, MS (Raised: Memphis, TN) - d. 8-16-1977
singer: "Grand Ole Opry"

January 8th deaths

01-03-1918 - Jesse White - Buffalo, NY (Raised: Akron, OH) - d. 1-8-1997
actor: "Hollywood Radio Theatre"; "Sears Radio Theatre"; "We Hold These Truths"
01-24-1902 - Walter Kiernan - New Haven, CT - d. 1-8-1978
commentator, emcee: "Sparring Partners"; "Weekend"
01-30-1907 - Lois Wilson - IA - d. 1-8-1983
actress: "Jack Benny Program"
06-11-1889 - Wesley Ruggles - Los Angeles, CA - d. 1-8-1972
film director: (Brother of Charlie) "Screen Guild Theatre"
06-19-1915 - Pat Buttram - Addison, AL - d. 1-8-1994
actor: (Sage of Winston County) "National Barn Dance"
07-14-1911 - Terry-Thomas - London, England - d. 1-8-1990
Free lance comedian
07-23-1910 - Gale Page - Spokane, WA - d. 1-8-1983
actress: Holly Sloan "Story of Holly Sloan"; Gertrude Lamont "Masquerade"
08-15-1901 - Sam Perrin - d. 1-8-1998
writer: "Jack Benny Program"; "Phil Baker Show"; "Tommy Riggs and Betty Lou"
08-28-1914 - Richard Tucker - NYC - d. 1-8-1975
opera tenor: "Chicago Theatre of the Air"; "Standard Hour"; "Metropolitan
Opera"
11-06-1905 - Isabel Carothers - Mt. Pleasant, IA - d. 1-8-1937
actress: Lu "Clara, Lu and Em"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 18:09:37 -0500
From: "Frederick S. Hillman" <fshillman@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Alan Napier

I always find Ron Sayles' date tables to be interesting reading, but
today I noticed a birth date for Alan Napier.  I gather he has a radio
connection, but my question is in regard to a movie in which he
appeared, "The Court Jester" (with Danny Kaye, Cecil Parker, Angela
Lansbury, Basil Rathbone -- all of whom I think were on OTR at one time
or another).

Anyhow, can someone tell me which character in that film is played by
Napier?  It's bugging me just a bit!

Reply off-list if you wish -- and thanks in advance.

Fred Hillman

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 23:16:24 -0500
From: Al Girard <24agirard24@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Mairzi Doats

I know a ditty nutty as a fruitcake
Goofy as a goon and silly as a loon
Some call it pretty,
others call it crazy
But they all sing this tune:

Mairzy doats and dozy doats
And liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?
Yes! Mairzy doats and dozy doats
and liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?

If the words sound queer
And funny to your ear,
A little bit jumbled and jivey
Sing "Mares eat oats
And does eat oats
And little lambs eat ivy"

Oh! Mairzy doats and dozy doats
And liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?

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