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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2004 : Issue 383
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  radio on History Channel              [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
  12-2 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Margaret Millar                       [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
  Newbie                                [ Melanie Aultman <otrmelanie@[removed] ]
  a newbie checks in                    [ David Loftus <dloft59@[removed] ]
  Mystery Hall                          [ "Karl Schadow" <bluecar91@[removed] ]
  Radio to TV                           [ "[removed]" <asajb2000@ ]
  The future of Old Time Radio and old  [ Bruce Rosenberger <bmr3d@[removed]; ]
  Jonathon Thomas and his Christmas on  [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
  Another question about OTR            [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:41:07 -0500
From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  radio on History Channel

Just received this from the history channel. The time is eastern. I don't
know how much they will discuss OTR, if at all.
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Friday, December 10, 2004
_ ___________________________________________________

7-8pm -- Modern Marvels - Radio: Out of Thin Air.
Though now considered a country cousin when compared
to the sophisticated television, merely a century ago,
the radio galvanized communications as it linked the
world without wires. The program examines the long
life of the radio.

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:53:36 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  12-2 births/deaths

December 2nd births

12-02-1893 - William Gaxton - San Franciso, CA - d. 2-2-1963
actor, singer: "Broadway Showtime"
12-02-1895 - Jesse Crawford - Woodland, CA - d. 5-28-1962
organist: "Paramount Publix Hour"; "Counterspy"
12-02-1895 - Warren William - Aitkin, MN - d. 9-24-1948
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
12-02-1898 - Peter Goo Chong - Miu, China - d. 1-15-1985
actor: "Collier's Hour"; "Eddie Cantor Show"; "This Day Is Ours"
12-02-1899 - Sir John Barbirolli - London, England - d. 7-29-1970
conductor: "New York Philharmonic"
12-02-1902 - Howard Koch - NYC - d. 8-17-1995
writer: "War of the Worlds"
12-02-1906 - Donald Woods - Brandon, Manitoba, Canada - d. 3-5-1998
actor: Leslie Foster "Those We Love"; "Woolworth Hour"
12-02-1908 - Hy Gardner - NYC - d. 6-17-1989
columnist, author, host: Celebrity Interviews
12-02-1910 - Robert Paige - Indianapolis, IN - d. 12-21-1987
actor: "Harold Lloyd Comedy Theatre"; "Screen Guild Theatre"; "Lux Radio
Theatre"
12-02-1915 - Adolph Green - NYC - d. 10-23-2002
songwriter: "Columbia Presents Corwin"
12-02-1915 - Paul Mann - Toronto, Canada - d. 9-24-1985
actor: George Kirby "Advs of Topper"; Perry "Quiz" Quisinberry "Passport for
Adams"
12-02-1916 - Charlie Ventura - Philadelphia, PA - d. 1-17-1992
tenor sazophonist: "Spotlight Bands"; "Gene Krupa and His Orchestra"
12-02-1917 - Sylvia Syms - NYC - d. 5-10-1992
actress: "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar"; "Broadway Is My Beat"; "Suspense"
12-02-1918 - Ezra Stone - New Bedford, MA - d. 3-3-1994
actor: Henry Aldrich "Aldrich Family"
12-02-1918 - Milton Delugg - Los Angeles, CA
orchestra leader: "Music Depreciation"
12-02-1925 - Julie Harris - Grosse Pointe Park MI
actress: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"

December 2nd deaths

01-06-1911 - Joey Adams - Brooklyn, NY - d. 12-2-1999
host: "Rate Your Mate"
01-24-1924 - Sabu - Mysore, India - d. 12-2-1963
actor: "Confidential Close-Ups"
02-02-1908 - Cal Tinney - Pontotoc County, OK - d. 12-2-1993
actor: Binnacle Barnes "Robinson Crusoe, Jr."
03-02-1917 - Desi Arnaz - Santiago, Cuba - d. 12-2-1986
actor, bandleader: Ricky Ricardo "I Love Lucy"; "Your Tropical Trip"
04-16-1904 - Fifi D'Orsay - Montreal, Quebec, Canada - d. 12-2-1983
singer: "Folies De Paris"; "This Is Your Life"
05-08-1901 - Katherine Raht - Chattanooga, TN - d. 12-2-1983
actress: Alice Aldrich "Aldrich Family"; Margaret Allen "Against the Storm"
11-14-1900 - Aaron Copland - NYC - d. 12-2-1990
composer: "Document A/777"
12-05-1903 - Fred Vandeventer - Tipton, IN - d. 12-2-1971
newscaster, panelist: "Vandeventer and the News"; "Twenty Questions"
12-13-1887 - Alvin York - Pell Mell, TN - d. 12-2-1964
world war I hero: "We the People"; "What Are We Fighting For?"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:54:15 -0500
From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Margaret Millar

Sean Dougherty wrote that Tom Nolan "has a book coming out called "The
Couple Next Door: the Collected Short Mysteriers by Margaret Millar."
It doesn't seem to be about Peg Lynch."

Margaret Millar was the wife of Kenneth Millar, better known to mystery
fans as Ross MacDonald, author of the Lew Archer series. She also wrote
mysteries, though I've never read any. She published a 1954 mystery
story in Ellery Queen magazine called "The Couple Next Door" -
presumably where the anthology draws its title from. (Note that this
pre-dates Peg Lynches series of the same name by about 3 years.)

I'm currently reading the second Archer novel, "The Drowning Pool." He
started publishing this series in the late 40s. I've been curious for a
while if any were adapted for radio. The early novels are very
Chandleresque--Raymond Chandler himself noted this. Does anybody know
if any of the Archer stories made it to radio, perhaps on an anthology
series? (Decades later the first two were made into films starring Paul
Newman, but that's another medium.)

Kermyt

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:18:48 -0500
From: Melanie Aultman <otrmelanie@[removed];
To: OTRDIGEST <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Newbie
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I just want to thank the person who helped me "find" the digest (whom I
shan't name for fear of being an embarrassment).  This looks like a great
list and I look forward to reading, learning and after some lurking,
participating.

Melanie Aultman
otrmelanie@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:37:04 -0500
From: David Loftus <dloft59@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  a newbie checks in

Greetings, all.

I just subscribed earlier this afternoon and received my introductory
materials.

I'm a fairly young fan (45), but was introduced to a broad range of
OTR shows at ages 10-12 by the Armed Forces Radio Network in
Frankfurt, Germany, which aired a show called "The Golden Days
of Radio," hosted by somebody named Frank Brazee (spelling?).
The only other thing I know about him is that he was a writer for
Bob Barker's "Truth or Consequences" on TV in the 1960s. I'd love
to know more about him and his fine show; such as whether it's
available anywhere these days, in recorded or broadcast form.

Among the many performers and shows I heard on that program
were Henry Morgan (delighted to see Art Chimes mention him in
a post yesterday which appeared in my first OTR Digest; I rarely
hear him mentioned with the same regularity as other radio comedians
of that era), and that marvelous Command Performance of "The
Marriage of Dick Tracy" with an all-star cast.  I managed to tape
record only part of it on a beat-up reel-to-reel at the time (1970),
but thankfully it came out on CD many years later.  See my review
on Amazon:

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I'm a particular fan of The Bickersons. Also have enjoyed "It Pays
to be Ignorant" and the Stan Freburg show.  After suffering many flame
wars on the Camille Paglia list, and various feminism newsgroups in the
mid 1990s, and slogging through thousands of progressive-rock related
posts on the Gentle Giant list since, I'm anticipating that the palaver in
this neck of the woods will be more genteel and relaxing. . . .

David Loftus
Portland, Oregon

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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:36:12 -0500
From: "Karl Schadow" <bluecar91@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Mystery Hall

Does anyone know which station(s) or syndicator(s) produced the 1940s Mutual
program Mystery Hall?

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:50:53 -0500
From: "[removed]" <asajb2000@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Radio to TV

Overlooked in the transition of America's main medium
of choice from radio to TV were the TV shows based on
popular radio shows, basically transitional programs
such as Dragnet, Gunsmoke, The Lone Ranger, Lights
Out, Inner Sanctum, etc.  I guess the appeal was to
people who could identify with these shows and would
naturally turn to something they were familiar with.
Other shows also were easliy identifiable to people
such as Jack Benny, Burns & Allen, You Bet Your life,
Candid Mike (Camera), Truth or Consequences.  To me
Dragnet radio shows sounded like audio from the TV.
Maybe that was what they were initially when both
aired but the show was tailor-made for listening
(without seeing the video), kindof like
Infinity's/CBS's decision to air 60 Minutes on their
radio outlets every week.  Locally, two am stations
air the local ABC affiliate's 6 pm news, which is the
same idea (and people are stuck in traffic on I-95 so
they might as well have news to listen to.
Did the radio scripts get recycled on TV when the
radio shows went off the air?  I have noticed some of
the Twilight Zone episodes were featured on Suspense,
for example.  Wasn't there an episode called "The
Hitchhiker" with Inger Stevens?  Some of the X-1
episodes seemed faimiliar as well to me from The
Twilight Zone episodes.  I am aware of some titles
that got lots of mileage fom being featued on various
programs, such as being featured on Escape, Suspense
and some of the drama programs ("The Cave" for
example).  I have seen what seemed like the same show
done on different shows.  Is this because the author
is allowed to present his script to a different show;
is it the network's doing or is it basically literary
license (co-opting) the idea?
Some of these titles are entertaining enough to hear
more than once, but the approach and the actors
featured make each presentation/production slightly
different than the last.

Andy

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:41:42 -0500
From: Bruce Rosenberger <bmr3d@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The future of Old Time Radio and old times at
 FOTR

The future of Old Time Radio and old times at FOTR

For many years now, a friend and I have been making the trek to Newark
for the FOTR convention. As usual I forgot to send my money in advance
and had to pay at  the door, so it’Äôs entirely my fault that I lost $5
right off the bat. But then, to my horror, I walked into the main
dealers room to find that several of my favorite dealers had decided not
to attend. My only guess is that OTR shows in MP3 format have hurt their
business. This is somewhat of a two edged sword, at least for me,
because I too have amassed quite a collection of shows in MP3 format.
Much like the old name brand / generic medicine debate, it is easy to
see both sides of this dilemma.
I was disappointed also to find that only one of the presentations held
any real interest for me, but limiting myself to one day’Äôs attendance
is my own fault as well so I point no fingers here except to note that
in years past IT SEEMS that there were more re-creations during the
[removed] So I looked around and bought a couple disks of OTR on MP3 that I
still did not have. I was pleased to  meet Ben Ohmart and buy an
autographed copy of his Paul Frees book. And I purchased several bargain
priced DVD’Äôs. I was thrilled to get these at a 1/3 of normal price and
didn’Äôt notice until much later, much to my dismay, that what I had
purchased was not bargain priced but expertly packaged bootlegs. I have
not worked up the enthusiasm to pop these in the DVD player to check the
quality, which may be okay. My elation at getting a bargain is
overpowered by my not really getting what I thought I’Äôd [removed]
I think, for myself anyway, that the reasons I attended the convention
have mostly passed on and may it might be my last. (I would like to note
though that everything was run as smoothly and professionally as ever -
no complaints there!)

As to the future of OTR collecting? One thought that keeps popping into
my mind, is why not do NEW productions? While there is a little of this
going on, it seems too little. One show that keeps me craving new
episodes is ’ÄúI Love A Mystery.’Äù If I understand correctly, most if
not all of the scripts exist because of the diligence of their writer.
If this is indeed the case, I can’Äôt imagine that new productions would
be out of the question, unless the current owners of the material would
rather sit on it than see the work of Mr. Morse make some kind of
comeback. While I realize that voice actors are not as common as they
once were, there are LOTS of actors that would be happy for work, even
at lower rates. (Just for instance, the actors of the Pennsylvania
Renaissance Faire probably have an off season. While not all would be
able to translate their talents into an audio format I would like to
think that many would.) Marketing the productions and making a profit
would be the biggest hurdle, but again, I’Äôm sure there are lots of
creative people out there who could do so given a fairly priced product.
Download sites like Audible come to mind.

Just some stray thoughts on some of the topics of late. Not meant to
offend in any way, just being blunt.

Bruce Rosenberger

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:42:29 -0500
From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jonathon Thomas and his Christmas on the moon

Last year my wife and I listened to (and were entranced by) "The
Cinnamon Bear" for the first time. This year we decided to give
"Jonathon Thomas and his Christmas on the moon" a try. Like CB, it's a
26 part serial designed to be listened to daily from November 29
through Christmas Eve. Does anybody have any details about the show?
There's very little about it on the web that I can find. One site
claims it was made by the same people who did The Cinnamon Bear, but I
can't find any support for that. One fact that goes against that
supposition: The Cinnamon Bear used real children for the leads, while
the part of Jonathon Thomas is played by an adult woman. (As a result,
JT sounds a bit like Baby Snooks. He's supposed to be 6 years old, but
sounds too young for the part.) Other than that odd bit of casting
(which I found distracting at first), I've found the show very
enjoyable so far. (We've heard only three episodes.) It has a love of
clever word play, in the style of Lewis Carroll. Also, the moon appears
to be populated by fairy tale creatures (Old King Cole, Little Bo Peep,
etc.), many of whom speak in the manner of popular comedians (so far,
WC Fields and Jimmy Durante). Any more details about the show would be
appreciated.

Kermyt

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Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:39:24 -0500
From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Another question about OTR

       This may be among the most FAQ's, but
I'll ask it anyway.  When was the "Golden Age
of Radio"?  I've received several different
answers, but nothing definitive.  Some say that
it was from 1926-1965, others say it was from
1929-1964, and so on.  I just want to know when
programs (any type programs) began to be broadcast
by radio, as well as how long the era lasted,which
we now refer to as OTR.  No one seems to agree on
this point.  Why?  It seems like a pretty straight
forward question to me.

Another OTR Fan,

Kenneth Clarke

[ADMINISTRIVIA: For the purposes of this list (which _is_ in the FAQ), OTR
defines the period between the 1920s and September 30, 1962. Yes, some of you
think of CBSRMT as "OTR," others choose the end of Arthur Godfrey, still
others think "Star Wars" was Old-Time Radio; but the end of Suspense/Yours
Truly Johnny Dollar seems as reasonable a delimiter as any, so it's what we
use here.  --cfs3]

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