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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 418


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Re:WAV
	 Re:PEPSI & MORE
	 Re: BICYCLING ORIGIN
	   new guy on the block
	 50s babies and Radio
	 WRVR NYC Radio rebroadcasts 
	 Thanks and info
	 Duffy's Tavern on TV
	 How Did You Get Hooked
	 Introduction and catch up
	
	 Frank Dunn
	 Various Topics

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 03:00:54 -0500
From: celtic@[removed] (Stuart Joseph)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:WAV
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

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>
>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 95 11:08:08 -0500
>From: Nathan Gregory <ngregory@[removed]>
>To: "[removed]@[removed]" <[removed]@[removed]>
>Subject: Real Audio vs. .WAV files
>Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>(2) Wave files are really RIFF WAVE files which is a format designed by
>Microsoft 
>    and IBM and modeled after EA-IFF-85.  While not strictly compatable, and
>not
>    really an open, public format, their structure is well documented and
>they are
>    almost certainly here to stay.
>(3) Wave files support compression schemes just as good, maybe better than
>Real 
>    Audio.  
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Not being technical, I agree that WAV files work, especially since they play
with any player that works under Windows.
Stuart
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Take a look at the Truespeech format, which is provided with
>Windows
>    95 and NT (Win [removed] DLLs are downloadable for free from Microsoft).  A
>half hour
>    radio show takes only [removed] MB and sounds quite good, almost as good as AM
>radio.
*****************************************************************
That would just about fit onto a [removed]" floppy- would there be a way to
compress it, so a 30 minute show would fit on 1 floppy?
What exactly is Truespeech? Does your post mean that there is a WFW [removed]
version available? Does it run under the Windows Audio Player?
Does anyone know of a good conversion program that runs under Windows that
will turn other formats into WAV files?
Thanks
Stuart
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 03:22:15 -0500
From: celtic@[removed] (Stuart Joseph)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:PEPSI & MORE
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>
>Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 06:08:53 -0500
>From: ESPALMER@[removed]
>To: [removed]@[removed]
>Subject: Cassette Storage
>Message-ID: <951125060852_33344299@[removed]>
>
>An neat trick to storing cassettes in their plastic cases is to buy(merely
>the deposit charge) the plastic cases that Pepsi uses to ship pop.
****************************************************************
What type of cases? What size Pepsi are you talking about?
It sounds like a great idea.
Stuart
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 04:19:34 -0500
From: celtic@[removed] (Stuart Joseph)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: BICYCLING ORIGIN
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

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>	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 410
>
>
>Articles in this issue of [removed]:
>
>	 Re:Mel Blanc, Meet Corliss Archer
>	 OTR Program Distribution
>	 Storage of OTR cassettes
>	 Kelsey Grammer
>	 Shepherd, Texas Rangers, Corliss Archer, Johnson, ET's, Dummy
>	 Real Audio vs. .WAV files
>	 Virginia Payne
>	 Wistful Vista
>	 Meet Corliss Archer
>	 Gripes re typos & Fred Foy info
>	 Re: The Glums, [removed] Digest V95 #409
>	 John Dunnings Book
>	 ADMINISTRIVIA: OTR WWW Pages Moving
>	 Wistful Vista - town or street?
>	 JUST SAW JACK BENNY TRIBUTE!!!!!!!!!
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>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 10:27:12 -0500
>From: MVHaas@[removed]
>To: [removed]@[removed]
>Subject: Re:Mel Blanc, Meet Corliss Archer
>Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 09:14:17 -0800 (PST)
>From: roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull)
>
>Syndicated shows were usually sent from station to station on
>transcription disks. That same process was used in television
>too. Somehow it became known as bicycling tapes.
****************************************************************
It was named from the movie theatre industry. When a movie company had a
sneak preview ( a "real" sneak, where you didn't know which movie you would
see) without enough prints to go around all the theatres in town, one
theatre would start the movie ahead of the others, then when Reel 1 was
finished it would be sent to theatre 2, when it finished Reel 1, it would be
sent to Theatre 3, and so on until all the theatres had finished with it,
then it would go back to Theatre 1 for the next show. The same process would
be used for all the reels in the movie. Theatres would also use "bicycling"
if enough prints didn't come in or there were problems with a print.
Originally the reels were transported by  kids on bicycles, hence the term.
"Bicycling" could also be used by film makers too cheap to run off enough
prints, especially if they were "4 Walling It" (renting a number of theatres
themselves to run their picture and taking a cut of the gate), or by a
number of theatres who were too cheap to get enough prints for all their
movie houses.
Stuart

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Date:  Tue, 14 Nov 95 22:59:38 PST
From: gcoppen@[removed]
To: "@[removed]"[removed]@[removed]
Subject:   new guy on the block
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

     As the subject says I am a new member ( Nov 10,95 ) and I  am
really enjoying all this email that has been coming in. 
     One thing I have discovered ---- I am not the only one that is
saving these old programs ---- I figured that it was me alone that
was feeding all these retailers and their kids.
     Now you all must understand that I live in Winnipeg, some people
have another name for it and that is winterpeg. As I sit here typing
I glanced up at the tv and the temp. outside is a real nice -22
and that puts a frost on the pumpkin if you know what I mean. Now 
you know why we like an indoor hobby for the winter.
     Well this is just a bit of an intro of myself, when I get a
bit more know how I will be back and perhaps contribute instead of 
just sandbagging.
     Nice to meet you all and I look forward to reading all your
coments etc.


                                George
     

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 00:14:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Rob Spencer <rspencer@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: 50s babies and Radio
Message-ID: <[removed]@netcom11>

I am certainly not old enough to remember any real network radio 
entertainment shows besides Arthur Godfrey's, but I am certainly old 
enough to recall a time when radio was very different from what it is now.
	When I was growing up in the '60s and '70s, radio was still a 
substantial medium, and those who worked in it were to me at least stars 
as big as any on the TV.  During those years, my radio dial was glued to 
KMPC 710 AM Los Angeles, the station that (according to the LA Times, at 
least) invented the SigAlert and was the first to use helicopters for 
traffic reports.  They had their own fully-staffed news and sports 
departments, broadcast the Angels, Rams and UCLA basketball and football, 
and had a roster of on-air personalities that was first-rate 24 hours a 
day.  Gary Owens almost single-handedly formed (warped?) my sense of 
humor, with Wayne DuBois at "the carnivorous turntables."  Oh, yeah, and 
the DJs all had engineers to handle the record-spinning and technical 
matters; all they had to do was entertain.
	And that's what KMPC did:  entertain and inform.  You could keep 
up with the top 40, stay abreast of the news, find out about traffic 
problems, and even have a few laughs, all without turning the dial.
	I'm sure that every city had at least one station like KMPC.  The 
sad fact is that nothing like them still exists.  With few exceptions, 
radio stations exist today not to entertain, but merely to earn 
high-enough Arbitrons to generate the ad revenue necessary to make a profit.
	Let's face it: commercial radio is going the way of the 
railroads.  As much as I love acquiring a classic episode of Jack Benny 
or _Dragnet_, I'd kill to have one good aircheck of Owens' show from the 
late '60s. _That's_ nostalgia for this late Boomer.

Rob Spencer

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 07:46:50 -0500 (EST)
From: mschmid@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: WRVR NYC Radio rebroadcasts 
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

> Carl Amari worked at), Allen Rockford in northern New York state, WRVA >
Radio in NYC, Warren Pierce in Detroit, Bob Lynes on the west coast, > >
******************* End of Forwarded Message ******************* > > Small
point, WRVA is in Richmond, Virginia. --Ken MacHarg > Surely the station
Bob B. meant was WRVR, a mostly jazz station that had lots of OTR in the
seventies, at one point and hour a night, 5 or 6 nights a week.  Mostly
from Michelson, I think: Sealed Book, Gangbusters, The Clock, The Lone
Ranger, etc. Also X Minus One rebroadcasts including the infamous new/fake
episode -The Iron Chancellor. I think the station was located at (or maybe
licensed to) Riverside Church, hence RVR. They also ran The National
Lampoon Radio Hour in 1973, and, if memory serves, The Zero Hour, although
they only carried the early five part serial version. Also Alien Worlds, I
think.  It went off the air many years ago, but I'm sure every collector
in NYC has many reels of airchecks. 
  - Max "I gotta make me one-a them swell sign-off box thingies"  Schmid
      of WBAI's Golden Age of Radio fame. Sundays at 7:30! 

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 10:14:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Bruce Toews <bruce@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Thanks and info
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

I just want to say thanks to all the people who have provided me with the 
Jack Benny and Phil Harris information I've requested over the past month 
or so. Also, a slight correction. One person mentioned NBC airing the 
Jack Benny tribute on Friday at 10. It is actually slated for Thursday at 
10:00 Eastern.

Bruce

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 09:51:07 -0600
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Duffy's Tavern on TV
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

A couple of people recently mentioned the TV version of Duffy's Tavern.
Earlier this year, while watching some stuff I taped off early-morning TV -
I forget if it was AMC or TCM, but probably the latter - on came some
filler which turned out to be an episode of Duffy's.  
The first thing I noted was that it was a Hal Roach production.  Second, Ed
Gardner had about as much visual appeal as Fred Allen did - a deal less
than Fred, actually.  Third thing - you could hardly hear the dialogue for
the cascades of canned laughter washing over every little move that Gardner
made (a common failing of 50s sitcoms).
But my 4th observation knocked me over.  The role of Finnegan was being
acted by Alan Reed.  (Reed had played Clancy on radio, with Charlie Cantor
as Finnegan.)  Now, Alan Reed was a BIG guy - tall and beefy.  But for
Finnegan, they had him wrapped up in a too-small coat and hat, and he
appeared to be at least a half-head _shorter_ than Gardner.  So obviously,
either the "bar" was set up on a platform, or they had Alan Reed standing
in a hole!
Overall, it was pretty bad.

John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
ph  (512) 495-4112
fax (512) 495-4296

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 12:38:47 -0600
From: bechtell@[removed] (Linwood G. Bechtel)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: How Did You Get Hooked
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Deana ask "how did you get hooked"? Can you imagine coming home after school 
and actually NOT having anything to WATCH ? Can you imagine sitting in front 
of a radio listening to Terry and the Pirates at 5 pm, Superman at 5:15, 
Captain Midnight at 5:30, and Tom Mix at 5:45 every weekday, week after week 
? Can you imagine going to bed at night replaying that last episode in your 
minds eye and can't wait until tomorrows episode to see if they survived ? 
Can you imagine anxiously waiting for Thursday night at 9:00 pm to stay up 
just to listen to Gangbusters ? I can, for you see I DID just that ! I'm 58 
years old and actually remember all this oldtime radio. I often remember 
listening to the Aldrich Family and the Life of Riley after getting my 
homework done and prior to going to [removed]'s how I got hooked ! I've been 
fortunate to live in both radio and tv era'[removed] you guess which era I liked 
best ?
By the way, am I the only one, on the digest, who actually lived during the 
oldtime radio era ? 

Jerry in Illinois

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 11:36:37 -0800
From: "Karl Mosgofian" <karl@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Introduction and catch up
Message-Id: <[removed]@styx>

Hi, my name is Karl Mosgofian and i've just subscribed.  I've just been
reading the last few digests and want to jump right in.  Interesting that
we should be discussing how younger folks happened to get into otr; I'm
32 years old and discovered otr because when I was a kid living in San
Francisco there was a station KSFO that played otr every night, so I actually
grew up listening to radio every night.  Unfortunately the great DJ who
was doing the shows, John Gilliland, left the station and the format left
with him (he also had a comedy program that was fantastic).  I don't have
much of a collection but i've stayed interested through the years.  I'm
more active right now because i've introduced my 9 year old son to the
joys of otr; it turns out he loves Jack Benny as much as I do, so now i'm
getting back into it.

There has been some talk about the difference between
TV and radio, and I think one point to keep in mind is that for kids, radio
has a lot of advantages.  For me, I would agree that there is drama on TV
that I would enjoy more than say, The [removed] but not for my son.  TV
drama/adventure for kids = power rangers.  I'd say radio wins hands down :).
And I think most kids like word play; the first thing I played for my son
was "who's on first" which he listened to every night for about 2 weeks.
Kids love that sort of thing, and most TV comedy is more slapstick/physical
type humor.  The more sophisticated TV comedy is geared for adults.

Anyway this is getting long, i'll save the rest for other [removed] I am
living in the SF Bay Area, if anyone knows of stations around here that
play OTR I would love to hear about it, and if there are any other KSFO
alumni out there shoot me an email and we can talk about the good old
days (ya know, the 70's).

-karl

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 14:02:17 -0500
From: "Robert E. Yellen" <ryellen@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed], dabell@[removed]
Message-ID: <0ba0b7e0@[removed]>

>Nathan wrote:

>>Everyone with Windows can access wave files.

>How about the 15-20 per cent of netizens who owns Macs (like me)?

The freeware application SoundApp can play them and also convert to Mac sound 
file.

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 17:12:46 -0330
From: John Hardy <jhardy@[removed]>
To: "'otr@[removed]'" <otr@[removed]>
Subject: Frank Dunn
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

looking for info on radio personality Frank Dunn from the thirties and =
fourties. He was referred to as (The Golden Voice Of Radio). Appreciate =
your help. Thank's

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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:49:49 -0500
From: BR3D@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Various Topics
Message-ID: <951127194947_117938463@[removed]>

I've been enjoying the discussions concerning Jack Benny and the 'midget'
Kelsey Grammer. I wanted to jump in earlier, but, I wasn't sure it was the
right topic for this forum. 

I have to agree that I would not put Mr. Grammer into the same league with
Jack Benny. But, I think that you have to compare the background experience
of the comics of the first half of the century to those of todays comedians
to find the answer to the question, "Why aren't todays comedians as talented
as those of bygone days."

Jack Benny, Fred Allen, George and Gracie, and Edgar and Charlie, to name a
few, all had backgrounds in Vaudeville. At least seven nights a week and
twice on sunday these comedians were able to hone their routines. Change a
line or a word each show until they arrived at the best possible combination.
At the end of a season they most likely started working, with or without a
writer, on next seasons routine which, by the end of the next season, may not
have resemleled in the slightest what they started with. Now, move fifteen or
twenty years into the future and you have a seasoned pro with a wealth of
material to draw on, flawless comedic timing, and possibly best of all, old
routines that are fresh because they haven't been heard for awhile! (No, I
haven't forgotten the incredible talent of most of the above to ad-lib.)

Todays comedians can also try out and hone their routines in comedy clubs,
but; they don't earn much of a living, they often perform in front of drunken
audiences who only want to hear about sex and drugs, and if they want to make
any money must record (one way or another, audio, video or for a TV program)
their routine forcing them to start working on a new one more often. Some of
those that I personally feel have suceeded are, Robin Williams (what an
ad-libber!), Steve Martin(his movies are generally enjoyable, with the
exception of his Spencer Tracey remakes), and also quite a few of the gangs
from Saturday Night Live and Second City Television; Dan Ackroyd, Martin
Short, Harold Ramis, John Candy, and Rick Moranis immediately come to mind.
(Although, when I think about it, their experience more closely resembles
that of the vaudvillians. Sketch comedy with running [removed])

In the midst of the same discussion, someone compared the dramas of OTR th
the dramas of todays television and felt that the OTR shows (ie: Suspense,
Escape, etc.) did not compare. While I will acknowledge that everyone has a
right to their opinion, I simply can't agree with this statement. I was
taught that a story has three main ingrediants, a beginning, a middle, and an
end. No matter how many chapters it takes these simple rules should apply. If
OTR drama has a weakness, it is the fact that they did not searialize the
stories, but, instead tried to cram ( sometimes not altogether sucessfully)
too much story into too little time. Todays television dramas on the other
hand tend towards soap opera like continuations ( or 'real life' as someone
once told me.) BBC and NPR productions seem, to me, to have the right idea,
tell the story in how ever many chapters it takes and move onto the next one.
(Bear in mind that it's all right to use the same characters in anew story.)

Disclaimer: Please, the above is intended as a freindly argument only!

To Gcoppen RE: Cataloging
I use a simple data base to keep track of my tapes. Each tape recieves a
sticker with a four digit code. The first digit is the first letter of the
show, ie: J for Jack Benny. The next three digits are in numerical order,
001, 002, 003 etc. When I get to 999 I'll probably start over with JA01 and
so [removed] Then, my intention is to file them in ascending order in whatever
type of box I settle on. (Hence my question a couple of postings ago
regarding storage boxes.)

Also thank you to everyone for their sugesstions on the storage box issue
that I mention above.
                                            Bruce Rosenberger

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