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Date: 10/10/2007 11:51 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2007 : Issue 289
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: The Shadow's Identity             [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      The Shadow Knows ... For Sure         [ Stephen A Kallis <skallisjr@[removed] ]
      Re: Shadow info                       [ John Olsen <jrolsen2@[removed]; ]
      10-10 births/deaths                   [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      Broadway/Broadway's                   [ Harlan Zinck <radiovoice@[removed] ]
      Mickey Rooney                         [ "Leslie Feagan" <lfeagan@actorsfcu. ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
      The Shadow's identity                 [ "Scott A Eberbach" <saeberbach@eart ]
      Mickey and the Shadow                 [ "Dave Adams" <dave@[removed]; ]
      Jim Harmon science fiction            [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:08:37 -0400
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: The Shadow's Identity

    "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed]; asked:

>      She said that the true identity of the Shadow wasn't
>     Lamont Cranston, but was a pilot. I checked the eps of this program
>     ...  I'm confused.  Was Lamont Cranston, indeed, the Shadow's alter
>     ego?

    I'm sure others will answer more fully (I've got a quiz in the
    morning) but your friend is correct about the Shadow, but not about
    the RADIO Shadow. In the novels the Shadow's true identity was Kent
    Allard and, yes, I believe he'd been a pilot (like so many heroes of
    that era, back to, say, Mickey Mouse). Lamont Cranston was a member
    of Shadow's secret organization as was Shrevy; he permitted him the
    use of his name and residence when needed for his crime-fighting
    endeavors. I don't remember Cranston ever taking part in the
    adventures, but he may have. On the radio they did away with this
    complication and just called the Shadow Lamont Cranston. I think the
    Shadow himself was a little nicer on the radio, too. But it's been
    years since I read any of the stories, but others will, I'm sure,
    provide far more details; I just couldn't resist responding with a
    few coals for Newcastle. Now back to my studies.

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    Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:09:16 -0400
    From: Stephen A Kallis <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Shadow Knows ... For Sure

    Kenneth Clarke asks,

>     Recently, someone told me something about the true identity
>     of the Shadow which totally contradicts
>     what I've been told.  She said that the
>     true identity of the Shadow wasn't
>     Lamont Cranston, but was a pilot.

    Anthony Tollin is the best to explain this, but I'll take a stab at it.
    Originally, The Shadow was the host for a drama show, like later The
    Whistler was.  The program was sponsored by Street & Smith, a publisher
    of pulp magazines.  Listeners started asking their magazine dealers for a
    copy of the magazine with The Shadow in it.  So, Street & Smith started a
    The Shadow magazine.

    In the magazine, the "real" identity of The Shadow was Kent Allard, a
    pilot who became a black-garbed crimefighter.  Rather than using a secret
    learned in the Orient to cloud men's minds, The Shadow used his black
    garb to blend into the shadows to become virtually unseen.

    The radio show then shifted to The Shadow I grew up listening to.  The
    Shadow in the magazine often assumed other identities (a chinaman, a
    janitor at police headquarters, etc.) and one of his alter identities was
    that of Lamont Cranston (the real Cranston, whom Allard resembled, gave
    Allard permission to do so).  As the radio show's popularity grew, the
    magazine borrowed some characters from it.

    A valiant effort was made to merge the two Shadows in the Alec Baldwin
    film, but the film decided to add another origin story!

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:09:31 -0400
    From: John Olsen <jrolsen2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Shadow info

    "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed]; wrote:

>     I'm confused.  Was Lamont Cranston, indeed, the Shadow's alter ego?

    The person who was telling you about the "true" identity of The Shadow
    was referring to the character in the pulp magazine stories.  The
    character on the radio wasn't exactly the same, hence the confusion.  So
    what's the difference between the radio Shadow and the pulp Shadow?
    There were several.

    Perhaps the main difference is the power of invisibility. On the radio,
    The Shadow had the power to cloud men's minds, via mass hypnosis, so
    that they could not see him. In the pulps, The Shadow used his black
    garb to blend into the darkness and become "virtually" invisible.

    In a few pulp novels, vague mention was made of The Shadow's study of
    Eastern mysticism. He supposedly studied "the trance condition of
    samdhi," the ability to suspend all motion and thought in order to
    become so unnoticeable as to be invisible. (see "The Golden Master,"
    September 15, 1939 and "The Invincible Shiwan Khan," March 1, 1940.) But
    we never get to actually see The Shadow use this ability.

    In the last pulp magazine story ever published, "The Whispering Eyes,"
    (Summer 1949) the villain of the story has mastered the hypnotic ability
    to make himself invisible, much like the radio incarnation of The
    Shadow. And The Shadow admits that such a thing is possible. "It is
    possible for a man to will himself into a state of imaginary
    invisibility which can be transcribed upon the minds of others so they
    will not see him." But he doesn't demonstrate that ability, or even
    claim to possess it himself.

    Another major difference between the pulp and radio characterizations of
    The Shadow is their identity. On the radio, The Shadow was Lamont
    Cranston. In the pulps, The Shadow was Kent Allard, a world-famous
    pilot. Lamont Cranston was a different character in the pulps. There, he
    was a wealthy world-traveler, and The Shadow would often disguise
    himself as Cranston when the real Cranston was out of the country. In
    the later years of the pulps, the real Lamont Cranston was rarely
    mentioned, and casual readers might jump to the conclusion that there
    was only one Cranston and he was The Shadow. Listening to the radio show
    would only add to this mistaken conviction, since on radio Cranston and
    The Shadow were indeed one and the same.

    The other differences between the radio and pulp series lay in the cast
    of characters. The pulp stories contained a larger cast; the radio show
    cast was more streamlined. On the radio we heard Lamont Cranston, Margo
    Lane, Moe Shrevnitz (always referred to as "Shrevvy") and Commissioner
    Weston and occasionally Inspector Cardona.

    In the pulps, we had all The Shadow's main secret agents: Moe Shrevnitz,
    Clyde Burke, Harry Vincent, Cliff Marsland and Hawkeye. We had his
    contact men: Claude Fellows (soon replaced by Rutledge Mann) and
    Burbank. His friends Slade Farrow, Dr. Rupert Sayre, Dr. Roy Tam, Yat
    Soon and, beginning in 1941 after first appearing on the radio show,
    Margo Lane. And the lesser agents: Chance LeBrue, Miles Crofton, Jericho
    Druke, Pietro, Tapper and Myra Reldon. Law-enforcement agents
    Commissioner Wainwright Barth, Inspector Delka, Inspector Klein,
    Detective Sergeant Markham and government agent Vic Marquette. And let's
    not forget Cranston's two servants, who unknowingly often served The
    Shadow, Richards, the butler, and Stanley, the chauffeur. Of course, the
    real Shadow, pilot Kent Allard, appeared only in the pulps.

    A couple quick notes: [removed] agent Vic Marquette did appear at least
    once on the radio, in the February 26, 1939 broadcast of "Horror in
    Wax." And reporter Clyde Burke appeared two radio episodes: "The Poison
    Death" (01/30/38) and "Night Without End" (10/16/38). However, there was
    no indication in either broadcast that he was an agent of The Shadow. If
    any other of the pulp characters, not already mentioned, appeared on the
    radio series, I'm not aware of it.

    So, to summarize the differences between the pulp Shadow and the radio
    Shadow: invisibility, true identity, extended cast of characters.

    [removed] probably a lot more than you wanted to know.  Sorry about that.

    John

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    Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 22:09:43 -0400
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  10-10 births/deaths

    October 10th births

    10-10-1870 - J. V. Barborka - Bohemia, Austria - d. 9-8-1936
    harpist: KMA Shenandoah, Iowa
    10-10-1889 - Harold Vermilyea - NYC - d. 1-8-1958
    actor: Cornlius Potter "Big Sister"; Mr. Bruce "Stella Dallas"
    10-10-1899 - Emily Kimbrough - Muncie, IN - d. 2-11-1998
    writer: "Information Please"
    10-10-1900 - Carlotta Stewart Watson
    Aunt Carrie on WDIA Memphis, Tennessee
    10-10-1900 - Helen Hayes - Washington, [removed] - d. 3-17-1993
    actor: "New Penny"; "Electric Theatre"; "O'Neill Cycle"
    10-10-1903 - Ronald Dawson - Johannesburg, South Africa - d. 1-24-1984
    actor, writer: "Martin Kane, Private Eye"; "The Clock"
    10-10-1903 - Vernon Duke - Pskov, Russia - d. 1-17-1969
    broadway composer: "Mildred Baily Show"; "Good News of 1940"; "March
    of Time"
    10-10-1908 - Johnny Green - NYC - d. 5-15-1989
    conductor: "In the Modern Manner"; "Jack Benny Program"; "Man Called X"
    10-10-1908 - Margaret Baker - Baltimore, MD - d. 4-3-1992
    actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
    10-10-1909 - Florida Friebus - Auburndale, MA - d. 5-27-1988
    actor: "Great Plays"; "Theatre Guild On the Air"
    10-10-1909 - Kathleen Niday - Boise, ID
    actor: "Death Valley Days"; "Mr. District Attorney"
    10-10-1910 - Don Hancock - Anderson, IN - d. 5-6-1980
    announcer: "The Goldbergs"; "Ellery Queen"; "Vox Pop"
    10-10-1911 - George Mathews - NYC - d. 11-7-1984
    actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
    10-10-1911 - Marion Shockley - Kansas City, MO - d. 12-14-1981
    actor: Rosemary Levy "Abie's Irish Rose"; Nikki Porter "Advs. of
    Ellery Queen"
    10-10-1911 - Zeke Manners - San Francisco, CA - d. 10-14-2000
    singer, disc jockey: "Zeke Manners and His Gang"; "Zeke Manners"
    10-10-1913 - Johnny Downs - Brooklyn, NY - d. 6-13-1994
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-10-1915 - Harry 'Sweets' Edison - Columbus, OH - d. 7-27-1999
    jazz trumpeter: "Jubilee"; "One Night Stand"
    10-10-1918 - Bobby Byrne - Columbus, OH
    trombonist, bandleader: big band remote from Glen Island
    10-10-1918 - Paul Dubov - Illinois - d. 9-20-1979
    actor: Frank Race "Advs. of Frank Race"
    10-10-1920 - Bernard Grant - The Bronx - d. 6-30-2004
    actor: "Rober Kilgore"; "Big Story"
    10-10-1920 - William David Adams - Chicago, IL - d. 1-18-1989
    writer/producer: "Story of Franklin Delano Roosevelt"
    10-10-1926 - Oscar Brown, Jr. - Chicago, IL - d. 5-29-2005
    singer: "Destination Freedom"
    10-10-1926 - Richard Jaeckel - Long Beach, NY - d. 6-14-1997
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-10-1930 - Harold Pinter - London, England
    writer, actor: "Focus on Football Pools"
    10-10-1946 - Ben Vereen - Miami, FL
    actor: "We Hold These Truths"
    10-10-1946 - Chris Tarrant - Reading, England
    writer, presenter: "Tiswas"; "OTT"

    October 10th deaths

    01-20-1903 - Leon Ames - Portland, IN - d. 10-10-1993
    actor: "Earplay"; "Screen Guild Theatre"; "Screen Director's Playhouse"
    01-31-1892 - Eddie Cantor - NYC - d. 10-10-1964
    singer, comedian: (Banjo Eyes) "Eddie Cantor Show"; "Chase & Sanborn
    Hour"
    03-19-1912 - Russ Case - Hamburg, IA - d. 10-10-1964
    orchestra leader: "On a Sunday Afternoon"; "Peggy Lee Show"; "Your
    Hit Parade"
    05-06-1915 - Orson Welles - Kenosha, WI - d. 10-10-1985
    actor: Lamont Cranston/Shadow "The Shadow"; "Mercury Theatre on the Air"
    05-24-1886 - Paul Paray - Treport, Normandy, France - d. 10-10-1979
    conductor: "New York Philharmonic"
    07-07-1915 - Yul Brynner - Vladivostock, Czarist Russia - d. 10-10-1985
    actor: "As Easy as [removed]"
    07-08-1910 - Jack Rubin - New York - d. 10-10-1952
    writer: "Hallmark Hall of Fame"; "The Hardy Family"; "Hilltop House";
    "The O'Neills"
    07-10-1918 - Ernest Ricca - d. 10-10-1987
    director: "Lorenzo Jones"; "Valiant Lady"; "Stella Dallas"; "Romance
    of Helen Trent"
    07-12-1890 - Joseph Latham - Bolivar, NY - d. 10-10-1970
    actor: Uncle Will "Home Sweet Home"; Elmer Eeps "Just Plain Bill"
    07-24-1888 - Basil Ruysdael - Jersey City, NJ - d. 10-10-1960
    announcer: "Beggar's Bowl"; "Your Hit Parade"; "Cavalcade of America"
    10-05-1912 - Tony Marvin - Brooklyn, NY - d. 10-10-1998
    announcer: "Arthur Godfrey Time"
    10-23-1884 - Cesar Saerchinger - Aix-la-Chapelle, France - d. 10-10-1971
    news correspondent: "Story Behind the Headlines"; "America's Town
    Meeting of the Air"
    11-30-1885 - Charles West - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 10-10-1943
    actor: "Dramas of Youth"
    12-19-1902 - Ralph Richardson - Cheltenham, England - d. 10-10-1983
    actor: Doctor John H. Watson, "Advs. of Sherlock Holmes"
    12-24-1914 - Ralph Marterie - Naples, Italy - d. 10-10-1978
    bandleader: "Marlboro Cigarettes Show"
    xx-xx-1888 - Frederick Barron - Melbourne, Australia - d. 10-10-1955
    actor: "Archie Andrews"; "Stepmother"; "Ma Perkins"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:12:58 -0400
    From: Harlan Zinck <radiovoice@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Broadway/Broadway's

    As to whether it is "Broadway is My Beat" or "Broadway's My Beat," when we
    were compiling two CD sets of shows from the series, our research determined
    that it was indeed "Broadway's". We didn't have access to the scripts,
    though, so it's good to read that the always-reliable Dan Haefele from
    SPERDVAC has seen them and can confirm the spelling.

    BTW, disc labels aren't always helpful -- and are, in fact, often incorrect.
    Check out the following label scans and you'll see what I mean:

    [removed]
    [removed]

    Our two Premier Collection CD sets - taken from the original discs and
    featuring excellent liner notes by Ivan G. Shreve, Jr. - can be found here:

    [removed]
    [removed]

    Harlan Zinck
    First Generation Radio Archives

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    Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 01:03:34 -0400
    From: "Leslie Feagan" <lfeagan@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Mickey Rooney
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    I seem to remember Mickey playing his movie role in the radio version of
    NATIONAL VELVET, too. Am I mistaken?

    Love,
    Leslie Feagan

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    Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 02:12:01 -0400
    From: charlie@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
    and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
    over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
    of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
    real-time OTR talk!

    Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
    others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
    range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
    it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
    it's always a good time!

    For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
    week and every week!

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    Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:46:27 -0400
    From: "Scott A Eberbach" <saeberbach@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Shadow's identity
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    Hi gang!

    This is in response to Kenneth Clarke's query about The Shadow's true
    identity. This confusion most likely stems from comparing the pulp version
    of The Shadow (1931-1949) with the radio version of The Shadow (1930-1935,
    1937-1954.) While both feature The Shadow as the main character they are
    actually quite different.

    In the radio version The Shadow's real identity was Lamont Cranston. He
    learned the power to cloud men's (and women's) minds while in India. He
    learned this power from a yogi priest who was the keeper of the Temple of
    the Cobras in Delhi. He reveals this to Margo in the adventure entitled The
    Temple Bells of Neban which was broadcast 10/24/37. This was when Orson
    Welles had the title role. It was also revealed in subsequent episodes that
    he had other mystical powers (no doubt learned from the same yogi priest)
    such as reading minds, the power of suggestion, and mental telepathy. After
    Welles left the role in 1938 and Bill Johnstone took up the role most of
    these other powers were dropped from the storyline and he only had the power
    to make himself invisible. Margo was indeed the only person to know that The
    Shadow and Lamont Cranston were one and the same. During the Welles period
    she was a powerful [removed] when she drives a car into a burning
    building to rescue The Shadow in the episode entiled Firebug broadcast
    6/19/38. Later on Margo more or less ended up being the damsel in distress:
    although, she did some sleuthing while assisting The Shadow from time to
    time. There is no pilot episode that reveals that The Shadow had any other
    identity other than that of Lamont Cranston.

    The pulp version is a bit different. The Shadow of the pulps did not have
    the hypnotic ability to cloud men's minds and make himself invisible. He did
    dress all in black and done a cloak and a slouch hat of a sable hue and did
    seem to melt in and out of the [removed] was virtually invisible. He did
    not possess any mystical powers. He also was heavily armed with two .45
    automatics and sometimes a second set under his cloak. A powerful opponent
    to be reckoned with. Assisting him in his never ending battles with the
    underworld were a host of capable agents. Such as Harry Vincent, Clyde
    Burke, Claude Fellows (who was killed off in the fifth novel), Rutledge
    Mann, Cliff Marsland, Moe Shrevnitz, Jerhico Druke, Hawkeye, Tapper, and
    some lesser agents such as Roy Tam, Rupert Sayre, and Pietro. Margo Lane did
    not show up until 1941 in the novel The Thunder King. The Shadow often aided
    police inspector Joe Cardona and in the guise of Cranston he associated with
    Police Commissioner Weston at the exclusive Colbalt Club where both were
    members.

    The Shadow was a master of disguise and had a number of identities. The one
    he used most often was that of Lamont Cranston. He also used other
    identities such as Henry Arnaud, George Claredon, Fritz (the janitor that
    worked at the same police station that Joe Cardona worked out of), and also
    went into the underworld as a nameless gangster at some of crimedom's
    favorite hangouts such as The Pink Rat or The Black Ship. In the second
    novel the real Lamont Cranston (a millionaire globe-trotter) meets The
    Shadow in the quise of Cranston. The Shadow explains to the real Cranston
    that he has been using his identity while he was out of the country and
    convinces the real Cranston to take and extended trip and let The Shadow
    continue to use his identity in his battle against the underworld. This
    happened in the second novel The Eyes Of The Shadow. In the novel The Shadow
    Unmasks in 1937 we learn the true identity of The Shadow!  It is revealed
    that The Shadow's true identity is that of a World War One ace fighter pilot
    known as The Dark Eagle. He alludes to this in the novel where Cliff
    Marsland becomes one of The Shadow's agents. The name of this famed fighter
    pilot? Kent Allard! It is revealed that after the war Kent Allard and his
    plane crashed somewhere in the Yucantan peninsula and had disappeared.
    Shortly after that a mysterious figure known as The Shadow began his never
    ending battle against the underworld. The Shadow as Kent Allard comes back
    to civilization with two Xinca Indian servants and explained he had been
    living with the Xinca Indians ever since his plan went down. He had to do
    this because while with Commissioner Weston in his quise as Lamont Cranston
    the Commissioner spotted a headline at a newsstand that Lamont Cranston had
    been injured in a car accident while overseas. Cranston makes a quick exit.
    That is when he decided to return as Kent Allard.

    [removed] basic upshot of all this that if you are talking about the radio
    version of The Shadow his real identity is that of Lamont Cranston. If you
    are talking about the pulp version of The Shadow his true identity is that
    of Kent Allard famed World War One ace.

    Hope this ends the confusion!

    ScotteHe

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    Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:47:14 -0400
    From: "Dave Adams" <dave@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Mickey and the Shadow

    Folks,

    Concerning Mickey Rooney on radio I am aware of at least one case: The Lux
    Radio Theater version of Young Tom Edison starring Mickey and Beulah Bondi.

    Concerning the Shadow's true identity; while I don't recall where I first
    heard/read it, I have long known that at least one source (the Gibson novels
    I'm sure) stated that Lamont Cranston was a secondary identity the Shadow,
    inherited or borrowed from the real Cranston, and that his original identity
    was that of (a pilot?) Kent Allard. I dimly recall that there may have been
    yet another identity bridging Allard and Cranston.

    -Dave

    [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:51:03 -0400
    From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jim Harmon science fiction

    Hi,

    This is slightly off topic for OTR but since it might have to do with
    Jim Harmon, a digest member and well-established OTR collector, I
    thought I would ask here.

    I remember reading a long time ago that Jim Harmon wrote some science
    fiction.  Project Gutenberg recently released this short story, now
    in the public domain because the copyright wasn't renewed.  I was
    surprised to notice that Jim Harmon was listed as author.  Is this
    the same Jim Harmon or is this just a different person with the same
    name?  You can read it online here:

    [removed]

    If this is a different person, sorry for the confusion.
    ----------
    Tony Baechler
    Baechler Productions

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