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                          Last Updated 10-28-96

[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 421

Table Of Contents: 

	 Go ahead, admit it!
	 Old records
	       GIANT SPIDER
	 Re: Morey Amsterdam, songwriter (?)
	 Re: REGIONAL SHOWS/JOHN HART AS LONE RANGER
	 CBS Radio Mystery Theatre web broadcast
	 plot lines
	 Peter Quill
	 NORM NATHAN
	 Re:American Airlines "Music 'Till Dawn"

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 96 07:29:34 EST
From: TBARNETT@[removed]
To:   otr@[removed]
Subject: Go ahead, admit it!
Message-Id: <m0vIwFk-000k5GC@[removed]>

To: SMTP    --AHIPC2S  OTR Digest

From:    Tom Barnett
         EDS NAO/VDTO Finance and Personnel Systems Support
         (810)986-0389 (8-226) Internet:TBARNETT@[removed]

Subject: Go ahead, admit it!

It's all right. How many people played War of the Worlds last night.

I did. I played it on my replica  1932 radio at precisely 8:00 pm.

And I am not ashamed to say I really enjoyed it!!!!!!

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I rather enjoy Dennis Day's singing

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Does anybody know good places to search for AUTHENTIC autographs of
OTR stars. I ran across a guy at a local flea market who was selling
an autographed picture of FRED ALLEN for $15.

To say the least I was skeptical and walked away. Could this be how
much it is actually worth. For some reason I imagined it being a whole
lot more.

I asked him and he said JACK BENNY was next to impossible to get.

What does the OTR Cyber Group think ???

Tom Barnett
"There are no Ordinary moments." -Dan Millman

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:06:11 -0600
From: "Marvin R. Bensman" <bensmanm@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Old records
Message-id: <l03010602ae9e6266c4e7@[[removed]]>
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Can any one help on the following? If so, direct your reply to the E-mail
address of Jay Hunt at "huntj@[removed]":

>I am looking for two obscure songs from 1959.
>
>One is "Ghost Satellite"  by Bob & Jerry on the Rendezvous label.
>
>The other is an instrumental called "Big Bad Train" probably by released
>only in the Cleveland area on a local label.
>
>Both these songs were featured by a disc jockey named Pete "Mad Daddy"
>Myers on radio station WHK, Cleveland inb 1969.  I have scoped airchecks
>of a couple of shows, but unfortunately the songs have been eliminated.
>The records may have been recorded by local artists and released only as
>DJ promo records.  If you have a copy of either song or know where I
>might look to get them, I would really like to get a tape of it.
>
>Please feel free to cross post this on any forum which might get an
>answer.
>
>Thanks
>
>Jay Hunt
>Ottawa, Canada
>Internet:  huntj@[removed]

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Date:          Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:15:38 DST
From: "Pat premo" <PPREMO@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:       GIANT SPIDER
Message-Id: <DFBBDC1089C@[removed]>

As a new member to this site, I have visited a number of web sites 
and have ordered an item or two.  But so far I have not been able to 
find the following:

As a youngster I remember hearing a scary story about a giant spider 
in a house (NOT the spider in the jungle story) but I don't know what 
series carried it (Suspense or some such).  Does this sound familiar 
to anyone??

Any help would be apprecited!!

Pat Premo

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 08:28:52 -0800
From: dabell@[removed] (Alan Bell)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Morey Amsterdam, songwriter (?)
Message-Id: <v01520d00ae9d0652af18@[[removed]]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

lev@[removed] (S or A Levene) wrote:

>Morey Amsterdam was also a songwriter and had a big hit in 1945 with "Rum
>and Coca Cola", recorded by the Andrews Sisters, Vaughn Monroe and others

Apparently this bit of information was included in an obituary that ran on
NPR news a few days ago (I didn't hear it), which prompted a correction
letter a couple days later (which I *did* hear). It seems that Mr.
Amsterdam did *not* write that song, as was popularly believed, and in fact
was successfully sued for plagiarism by the actual composer of the song.
Yet, he still was being incorrectly credited with it.

At least I'm *think* it was that song. Was he credited with others? If not,
then that was the song.

_____________________________________________________________________
ALAN BELL  3768 Sonoma Avenue  Santa Rosa, CA 95405  dabell@[removed]
=============================707-546-6988============================

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:37:52 -0500
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: REGIONAL SHOWS/JOHN HART AS LONE RANGER
Message-ID: <961031113751_1482220728@[removed]>

Another reason for the split network/localized sponsorship of radio shows is
that it made more money for the show's owner.  Blue Coal footed the bills for
THE SHADOW production costs and Street & Smith got to resell the program at
higher prices (since there were no production costs for the local sponsors).
Carey Salt and Balm Barr both sponsored the series over approximately a
hundred stations each to Blue Coal's 35.  Street & Smith made over a
$100,000. a year because of the arrangement, many times what they would have
realized for the rights from a single national sponsor.  From what we know
about the always thrifty George W. Trendle, I'm sure the split sponsorship of
THE LONE RANGER worked to his financial advantage as well.  CBS owned and
produced THE WHISTLER and was probably more interested in filling airtime
than in nickle and diming local sponsors.  Thus, THE WHISTLER spent most of
its run as a West Coast series, excepting the national Household Finance
versions starring Everett Clarke (from Chicago) and Bill Johnstone (from the
same California studios as the local Bill Forman/Marvin Miller version). 
     I've recently been sent videos of a number of the John Hart LONE RANGER
TV shows and find them much better than they've been reported to be.
 Contrary to popular opinion, Hart gives the role much more of the Brace
Beemer feel than Clay Moore does.  I've recently read that John Hart remained
George Trendle's personal favorite TV LONE RANGER, both visually and in
performance.  (The switch back to Clayton Moore was apparently to appease
future owner Jack Wrather and up the price of the property during the sale
negotiations.)  Both Moore and Hart were pushed to try and match the Beemer
sound; Hart of course (at 6'4") was closer to the classic image of the Ranger
visually.  While I'm certainly not impartial in this matter (since I really
enjoyed visiting with John at the FOTR convention), I think Hart has gotten a
bad rap simply because his performance does not feel like Moore's (and Clay
Moore has spent the rest of his life perpetuating his performance as THE LONE
RANGER in the public's perception).  Someone noted in OTRD recently that Dick
Osgood stated in WYZIE WONDERLAND that WXYZ staffers felt Moore was actually
closer to Earle Graser than to Brace Beemer.  (I can't find this statement in
WYZIE WONDERLAND; could it have been from some other source, maybe Fran
Striker, Jr.'s book?)  That's probably true, but John Hart certainly comes
closer to Beemer than Moore did for the balk of the run.  Clayton Moore had
the benefit in continuing in the series after the demise of the radio series
and being allowed (by Jack Wrather) to find his own voice and style as THE
LONE RANGER.  However, it's important to remember that at the time the early
TV shows were being made, it was required that John Hart pattern his
portrayal after Brace Beemer, not Clayton Moore.  I had only had one Hart
episode (one of his first) in my collection until recently and found his
portrayal weak in that particular episode.  His later shows come closer to
the feel of  Beemer's LONE RANGER than I had remembered.  Hart was a more
dynamic rider than Morre had been during the first season.  While Moore and
Hart had both worked as stuntmen, Hart's background had been as a horseman
from his early days as a California ranchhand while Moore's background was as
an acrobat and trapeze artist.  Hart stunt-doubled for Moore in two movie
serials; I wonder if he did any of the stuntwork during the first season of
the Moore LONE RANGERS?  (Clayton Moore mentions in his enjoyable "I WAS THAT
MASKED MAN" that stuntmen doubled in many of his early riding scenes on the
series, though not in the rearing scene at the beginning of each episode.
 The LONE RANGER who rides up to the top of the hill before the cut to the
rearing Silver in the opening of each show and rides down the hill afterwords
does not appear to be Clayton Moore.  
     I asked recently who the subscriber's preferred as THE SHADOW.  Who's
your favorite radio LONE RANGER, Earle Graser or Brace Beemer?  Those I've
spoken to lately seem divided depending upon which one they were listening to
during their childhood years. -- Anthony Tollin        

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:47:50 -0500
From: Shawn Whalen <swhalen@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: CBS Radio Mystery Theatre web broadcast
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

The CBS Radio Mystery Theater show on the CBS' site -- [removed]
is active and is great. The story is Moby Dick, and there are pictures that
follow along with the story automatically, adding an extra dimension.
Hopefully this will be a regular feature. Let CBS know you like it. 

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Date: 31 Oct 1996 15:05:10 CST
From: [removed]@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: plot lines
Message-Id: <m0vJ4IR-000k1cC@[removed]>

Hi all:
I was noticing as I was listening to some Superman episodes that the
plot lines seemed to be  of varying lengths. Was this just dependent on
the writers and how long they thought the story should be or was it
dependent on audience response?
Oh yes Can anyone give me the names of shows that Boris Karloff appeared on?
I no about the Whaling Wall on Innersanctum

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Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:31:06 -0500 (EST)
From: berney@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Peter Quill
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Does anybody know of a show called "Peter Quill". Marvin Miller was in it
and it was a detective show.

I just got a call from someone wanting to know if I had any information on
the show and I don't.

Can somebody out there help me on this?

                                                Fred

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Date: Thu, Oct 31 1996 19:13:58 EST
From: Thomas Heathwood <theathwo@[removed]>
To: <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: NORM NATHAN
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
As reported yesterday, our good friend and nationally know broadcaster
of 50+ years, Norm Nathan,  died in his sleep on Tuesday at home.
He was a great fan of old-time radio, and gave talks and played clips from
OTR at nursing homes, hospitals and private occasions. He did a hard-to-
beat Jack Benny impression, and loved to recollect about people in the
New England broadcasting business from the 40's and 50's when he himself
became extremely well know for MUSIC 'TILL DAWN amd SOUNDS IN THE NIGHT.
He was warm and witty and in his later years was introduced to a whole new
new audience of people in 38 states via WBZ-AM (1030) who came to love him
as much as his listener friends in Boston/New England. In May, 1994, Norm
celebrated 50 years in the business, having started at Radio Station WCOP
in Boston, one day after graduating from high-school in 1944. He was the
town "moderator" (a strictly New England tradition) for his town of
Middleton, north of Boston. 52 years is a long time on the air, but he
told me not long ago, that he thought he could go on for many more years.
He was a volunteer for the American Cancer Society and took part in local
OTR functions on many occasions. He was, without a doubt, the grand old
man of radio in this area. His family has requested that in lieu of
flowers, that donations may be made in Norm's name to UNICEF of New
England c/o Kimberly Tracey, 1330 Beacon Street, Brookline, MA  02146.
He will be placed to rest at the Oakdale Cemetery, in Middleton, MA on
Friday, November 1st. Norm would have said, "Bye Bye Old Sport".
<<TKH>>  10/31/96
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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 1996 00:08:25 -0800
From: Robert Carpenter <rcarpen@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re:American Airlines "Music 'Till Dawn"
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It was my understanding that MTD was on *all* the CBS O&O stations, but
locally created.  It was certainly on WTOP.

Bob Carpenter



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