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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 400


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Re: Wrong Forum
	 Far-flung OTR fans
	 Re: Charlie McCarthy
	 Original Super Radio vs. Super Radio III
	 U. Memphis OTR library
	

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:08:29 -0500
From: JShnay@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Wrong Forum
Message-ID: <951119080828_110723867@[removed]>

Rantings on the woeful state of the imperfect world we live in through the
eyes of a "True Believer" seem to be misplaced.  !!!
I thought this OTR Digest was to share and exchange information about our own
 hobby, not to be deluged by some misguided political pitchmen trying to
foster their own particular form of political lunacy upon us. 
I hope this won't be a sign of things to come. Let's keep this forum for the
sharing of information and the pleasures of Old Time Radio.
jshnay@[removed] 

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 09:23:29 -0500
From: JRayb71827@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Far-flung OTR fans
Message-ID: <951119092327_27278751@[removed]>

Here's a small incident that gives evidence of OTR fans being just about
everywhere.  I recently received a request for a sample of my OTR newsletter
from a DIgest user in Japan.  He wanted to know if a subscription was
possible.  Naturally, the answer is yes.  I have subscribers in Australia for
example.  Of course, we have to charge a little more to account for postage
but we would love to have folks join us from the four corners of the earth
because it helps spread the word about the wonderful Golden Age.  A free
sample copy can be obtained by sending a #10 SASE to Thrilling Days of
Yesteryear, [removed] Box 36106, Denver, CO 80236.  We publish six times a year
and the current issue has stories about Jack Benny, Eddie Cantor, animal
imitators, long-ago announcers,  old reviews of "Your Hit Parade" and "Fibber
McGee and Molly" and book reviews on tomes about kate Smith and Jimmy
Durante.

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:12:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Francis Fisher <fisherf@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Charlie McCarthy
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

ir002126@[removed] wrote:

> My question is-- did Bergan use the dummy as part of his radio show.
> I have seen pictures and movies of radio broadcasts and the actors
> always hold scripts and turn pages.  Obviously Bergan could not work
> the dummy and manipulate the script during the broadcast.  Does anyone
> know for sure how he did the broadcasts??

He worked with Charley, Mortimer & whomever in the studio. And he never
refered to them as dummies even though that may have been technically
correct. Even though Charley was an act he always showed a respect for his 
characters as if they were people.

During the 60s, when I was an NBC Radio engineer in NYC, I had the
pleasure of engineering a couple of Bergan/McCarthy radio specials.  There
was no audience except for the usual behind-the-scene folks -- a
production assistant, a producer, writer, the director and myself.  (Not
counting the ever-present tours that were visible through the glass
windows as well as other staff such as news folks and staff busy with
other stuff.)

During a lull I told him what a pleasure it was that he brought Charlie
and he explained that there was no choice, he couldn't work without him. 
He was quite a gentleman, and he left no question in my mind that,
although Charley was an act, he certainly was not. The smile didn't leave
his face when the mic was turned off. 

The programs, done annually for a few (?) years, were called something 
like the Golden Age of Radio. The sponsor was Longines Witnauer (sp). 
--Francis

_______________________________________
Francis Fisher <fisherf@[removed]>
Director of Engineering
WV Public Radio

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Date: 19 Nov 1995 15:14:27 GMT
From: [removed]@[removed] (Robert j. Field)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: otr@[removed]
Subject: Original Super Radio vs. Super Radio III
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi Folks,
I still have the original GE Super Radio which works just fine.  Console
sound from a portable radio, and great DX capabilities!
Does anybody know if there are many advantages to buying the new Super Radio
III? Unless there are distinct advantages I'll stay with my original.

<A worm who spends its entire life in horseradish never knows anything
sweeter>

Happy Listening, :-) 

Bob Field
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 95 10:25:50 MST
From: dpk@[removed] (David P. Kilcrease)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: U. Memphis OTR library
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I think the University of Memphis OTR copying service is a great idea,
unfortunately I had very bad luck using their service. I requested 10
hour long tapes. Of these about half were recorded with a tape speed
problem that leaves the first 5 minutes of each side at a varying slow speed
that makes the tape impossible to understand. One tape was a duplicate,
another had a blank side and yet another side started in the middle of the
program. Again, I think it is a very fine idea but I had very poor luck
using their service.

							Dave Kilcrease
							dpk@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:10:14 -0500
From: alabok@[removed] (Bob Jennings)
To: otr@[removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

        Re Frank Passages' comments on otr science fiction.
        Space Patrol and Tom Corbett were both run as juvenile programs.
Tom Corbett was sponsored by Kellogg in a twice a week format thru much of
its run.  They specialized in two part stories to keep you coming back for
that second half hour each week.  Rummor has it that Tom Corbett was a
replacement by Kellogg for Superman which Kellog dropped because the
Superman radio program was running so many racial harmony/universal
brotherhood story plots.  Kelloggs was apparently quite uncomfortable with
those story lines and how they would be regarded in the deep south and out west.
        There was a Tom Corbett TV show, which is much better remembered
despite the fact that it was one of those two-or-three set early TV programs.
        Space Patrol was a juvenile which started as a daily TV show in
California and then moved into full network TV and radio when the TV program
became successful enough to attract the attention of the ABC network.  The
radio show was broadcast on Saturday mornings and ran thru about the middle
of 1956.  The sponsor was Ralston Purenia.
        Altho billed as a juvenile, the radio version of Space Patrol was
quite a bit better than most juvenile radio fare.  Despite building some
pretty aweful science into the basics of the show the shows were actually
scientifically current with their time frame and pretty well thought out.
        Examples of their putrid scientific underpining included such things
as: in order to travel from planet to planet all the characters had to do
was step on the gas in their space ships and away they went, covering
billions of miles  in no time at all [or [removed]'s, as space distance was
always referred to on the program].  In addition every single planet of the
solar system was inhabited by human beings [some were apparently natives],
altho as the program developed, certain planets had restrictions in the form
of atmosphere domes over the cities to protect humans from the toxic
atmosphere of such places as Jupiter and Neptune, or the heat/cold ratio on
planets such as Mercury.  Not a word was ever said about the crushing
gravity of such places as Jupiter, or the fact, well discussed in the late
forties and early fifties, that larger methane gas type planets probably
didn't have any solid ground under those swirling clouds anyway. All planets
also received plenty of warmth and sunlight no matter how far away from the
solar center they were.  Planet X, which was supposed to be located well
beyond the orbit of Pluto had lush jungles and deserts and the sun blazed
down with overwhelming heat in a number of episodes.
        Despite all that, the story plots were surprisingly well thought out
most of the time.  The primary writer was Norm Jollie (spelling probably
wrong) who actually spent a lot of time in libraries and talking with
astronomers as the show built up a following, trying to stay on the cutting
edge of developing solar science, and he managed to work in a lot of new
theories and new technological developments into the story plots.
        The shows hold up remarkably well, probably because they primarily
fall into the problem solving category, using science fiction gimicks or
theories as menaces set against a police/criminal backdrop instead of
resorting to the galaxy smashing super-science style which often bogs down
into purple prose melodrama.
        Space Patrol was and still remains one of my favorite radio
programs, so I'm obviously prejudiced about it.
        Ralston may very well have tapes of their shows, both the TV and the
radio Space Patrol material, however they have absolutely no interest in
working with collectors at any level regarding such matters.
        Last year a club called the Galaxy Patrol decided to petition the
Ralston folks to see if they would consider reintroducing new Space Patrol
premiums and prizes as a method to promote their cerials, particularly
Instant Ralston.  Instant Ralston was once their best selling mass market
consumer product, but today it has very poor store distribution, and
consequentiall, extremely poor sales nationwide.
        Ralston had let it be know that they were interested in doing
something along the lines of more deluxe Tom Mix premiums similar to those
they had offered in the late seventies.
        Despite a barrage of letters from lots of us fans. including cost
design specifics and a lot of other stuff a bunch of us worked up to
convince them that promoting Space Patrol material would be a great idea,
Ralston decided to pass.  They decided to pass not only on any Space Patrol
promotions, but also any future Tom Mix premiums as well.
        The product and marketing people in charge of such things underwent
two complete turnovers during the months we fans were all frantically
writing letters and making suggestions.  The last person to hold the job
(can't remember his/her name off the top of my head) started sending out a
brisk zeroxed brush-off that was fairly tactless.  We all got the point
pretty quickly.
        I don't regret expending all that time and effort to get this
project moving, since the entire experience was a wonderful education in how
big companies work, or more directly, on how little they actually care about
fans old or new, or the historic value of any entertainment shows with which
they were once connected.
        Corporations are interested in generating short term profits as
rapidly as possible, and unless the person in charge of a project like this
has direct personal memory or a direct connection with an old radio or TV
show, they tend to dismiss fans like us as doddering old foggies living in
the past (which may be true, but it's beside the point).
        There may be a source for additional Space Patrol radio programs in
the production people, some of whom kept tapes of some of their work.
Negotiations on a couple of fronts are underway and something may turn up
next year.
        Another juvenile SF radio show you missed was "Starr of Space",
which has great sound effects.  I've only heard a few of these, but they
were enjoyable.
        You should contact George Payton at 119 E. Cuthberg Blvd, Bldg O,
Apt 3, Westmont, NJ 08108-1829; who is compiling a list of all SF and horror
audio drama past to present.  $10 will get you his master list, plus if you
buy any shows from him, the ten bucks is credited toward your first order.
He specializes exclusively in this genre, and his catalog is a great
reference tool.

        To the person who mentioned a creepy story about fog moving it, this
may have been "The Night the Fog Came" from Halls of Fantasy.  That show was
one of their best in creating a feeling of horror and tension.

        ----Bob Jennings

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