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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2008 : Issue 131
                             A Part of the [removed]!
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                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      older voices                          [ "Bob C" <rmc44@[removed]; ]
      Cinnamon Bear in Australia            [ Harlan Zinck <radiovoice@[removed]; ]
      5-23 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      Potawatomie ... chanukkah ... etc.    [ James H Arva <wilditralian@[removed] ]
      Re: Jackson Beck                      [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]

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    Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:28:26 -0400
    From: "Bob C" <rmc44@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  older voices

    Ben asks about stereotyping of old men's voices as being
    high-pitched. I guess in real life my experience is that maybe a
    third of the seniors do have a deeper, grumpier voice ... a
    third, not much change from younger years ... and a third have
    higher-pitched voices. So it varies. Maybe Jack Benny and others
    did old-timers the way they did because they couldn't manage a
    deeper voice along the lines of E. Scrooge or Father Barbour.

    Bob Cockrum

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    Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:29:35 -0400
    From: Harlan Zinck <radiovoice@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cinnamon Bear in Australia
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    Ian Grieve wrote:

>     Whilst researching Radio station 4BC in Brisbane, believed responsible for
>     the 2nd series of 26 episodes of the Australian version of The Witch's Tale,
>     I found this link [removed] regarding Cinnamon
>     Bear. I wasn't aware that the series was broadcast in Australia, however the
>     back page of this song book tells otherwise.

    This is really fascinting, Ian! I also wasn't aware that the Bear aired in
    Australia -- but, for me, the most interesting thing is that the Australian
    sheet music cover varies significantly from the standard issue Transco sheet
    music distributed in the United States. Though very similar, the art for
    Australia features a Cinnamon Bear that is not a traditional teddy bear but,
    rather, a koala bear! Makes perfect sense, of course, considering that Koala
    Jelly Crystals sponsored the program on 4BC. I wonder if the disc labels were
    the same for Australia as for the U. S. -- and, also, who did the
    disc?pressings for overseas distribution.

    BTW, here's a page that will show you the American sheet music art and disc
    labels:

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    Interesting, too, that the series didn't air on 4BC on a five-a-week basis
    but, rather, on Mondays and Wednesdays. Thus, rather than airing between
    November and December, it would have had a full thirteen-week run. Assuming
    it ended on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day, it would have to have first been
    heard in mid-September.

    Just goes to prove that, when it comes to old time radio, the more you think
    you know, the more you discover that you don't!

    Harlan Zinck
    First Generation Radio Archives

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    Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 06:56:23 -0400
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  5-23 births/deaths

    May 23rd births

    05-23-1882 - James Gleason - NYC - d. 4-12-1959
    actor: "Jimmy Gleason's Diner"
    05-23-1883 - Douglas Fairbanks - Denver, CO - d. 12-12-1939
    commentator: "KHJ Los Angeles 1921"
    05-23-1890 - Herbert Marshall - London, England - d. 1-22-1966
    actor: Ken Thurston "Man Called X"
    05-23-1898 - Frank McHugh - Homestead, PA - d. 9-11-1981
    actor: Fairchild Finnegan "Phone Again Finnegan"
    05-23-1901 - Arch McDonald - Hot Spring, AR - d. 10-16-1960
    sportscaster: Washington Senators and Washington Redskins
    05-23-1907 - Carlyne Stevens - Parkhill, Canada - d. 10-1-1961
    announcer: "Cavalcade of America"; "Roxy's Gang"; "Atlantic Family"
    05-23-1907 - Kenneth Griffin - Enid, Oklahoma Territory - d. 1-3-1951
    actor: Larry Noble "Mary Noble, Backstage Wife"
    05-23-1908 - Frederick Thwaites - Balmain, Australia - d. 8-13-1979
    writer: "Beyond the Rainbow"
    05-23-1910 - Artie Shaw - NYC - d. 12-30-2004
    bandleader: "Melody and Madness"; "George Burns and Gracie Allen Show"
    05-23-1910 - Benjamin "Scatman" Crothers - Terre Haute, IN - d.
    11-26-1986
    jazz musician: early radio into the 40s
    05-23-1911 - Dorothy Lee - Los Angeles, CA - d. 6-24-1999
    singer: "Fred Waring and His Pennsylvanians"
    05-23-1912 - Betty Astell - London, England - d. 7-27-2005
    panelist: "Does the Team Think"
    05-23-1912 - John Payne - Roanoke, VA - d. 12-6-1989
    actor: "Hollywood Star Preview"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    05-23-1912 - Marius Goring - Newport, Isle of Wight, England - d.
    9-30-1998
    actor: Sir Percy Blakeney/Scarlet Pimpernel "Scarlet Pimpernel"
    05-23-1917 - Murray McLean - Chicago, IL - d. 4-2-1995
    actor: Jimmy Allen "Air Adventures of Jimmy Allen"
    05-23-1919 - Betty Garrett - St. Joseph, MO
    singer-actor: "Savings Bond Show"; "Guest Star"; "Showtime"
    05-23-1921 - Helen O'Connell - Lima, OH - d. 9-9-1993
    singer: (Jimmy Dorsey Band) "Kraft Music Hall"; "Fitch Bandwagon"
    05-23-1921 - Humphrey Lyttelton - Windsor, England - d. 4-25-2008
    host: "I'm Sorry, I Haven't A Clue"
    05-23-1921 - Ray Lawler - Footscray, Australia
    writer: "Summer of the Seventeenth Doll"
    05-23-1927 - Gerald Hiken - Milwaukee, WI
    actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
    05-23-1928 - Rosemary Clooney - Maysville, KY - d. 6-29-2002
    singer: "Rosemary Clooney Show"; "On the Sunny Side"
    05-23-1953 - Ronald Frame - Glasgow, Scotland
    author: "Winter Journey" adapted from his novel of the same name

    May 23rd deaths

    03-08-1910 - Victor Wolfson - NYC - d. 5-23-1990
    author of radio plays
    03-11-1907 - Walter Alden Richards - Springfield, IL - d. 5-23-1988
    editor, writer: "Cavalcade of America"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    03-15-1915 - David Schoenbrun - NYC - d. 5-23-1988
    news correspondent: CBS News, Paris; "CBS Radio Workshop"
    03-20-1828 - Henrik Ibsen - Skien, Norway - d. 5-23-1906
    playwright: Many of his works adapted for radio
    03-26-1916 - Sterling Hayden - Montclair, NJ - d. 5-23-1986
    actor: "We the People"
    05-27-1912 - Slammin' Sammy Snead - Ashwood, VA - d. 5-23-2002
    golf legend: "Kraft Music Hall"
    06-03-1918 - Patrick Cargill - London, England - d. 5-23-1996
    actor: "Brothers in Law"
    07-10-1894 - Jimmy McHugh - Boston, MA - d. 5-23-1969
    song writer: "Cavalcade of Music"; "It's Time to Smile"; "The Navy
    Sings"
    07-19-1896 - Merle Kendrick - d. 5-23-1968
    orchestra conductor: "Cabin B-13"
    07-22-1874 - Arthur Maitland - d. 5-23-1959
    actor: Zeke "David Harum"; Mr. Weatherby "Archie Andrews"
    08-04-1915 - William Keene - Pennsylvania - d. 5-23-1992
    actor: Red Lantern "Land of the Lost"
    09-11-1915 - Athena Lorde - NYC - d. 5-23-1973
    actor: Maggie Sprague "Young Widder Brown"; Sherry "Front Page Farrell"
    09-12-1914 - Eddy Howard - Woodland, CA - d. 5-23-1963
    bandleader, singer: "Carton of Cheer"; "Gay Mrs. Featherstone"
    09-24-1886 - James Burke - NYC - d. 5-23-1968
    actor: producer: "Rose of My Dreams"
    10-01-1910 - Bonnie Parker - Rowena, TX - d. 5-23-1934
    outlaw, murderess: Subject on "Gang Busters"
    10-07-1900 - Heinrich Himmler - Munich, Germany - d. 5-23-1945
    nazi leader: "This is a Chapter of Glory"
    10-28-1886 - Ruth Gates - Denton, TX - d. 5-23-1966
    actor: Mrs Lenord "Amanda of Honeymoon Hill"
    10-31-1900 - Neal Bliss Enslen - Delphos, OH - d. 5-23-1938
    opera singer, announcer: "The Baldwin Concert"; "The Slumber Hour"
    11-04-1912 - Humphrey Davis - Meriden, CT - d. 5-23-1987
    actor: Al Douglas "Life Can Be Beautiful"; Sheriff Jackson "Tennessee
    Jed"
    12-26-1912 - Oscar Saul - NYC - d. 5-23-1994
    writer: "Health for America"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 06:57:14 -0400
    From: James H Arva <wilditralian@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Potawatomie ... chanukkah ... etc.

    05-23-08

    As an amateur linguist who enjoys having fun with language differences, I
    might comment that arguing about the English-language spelling of a word
    indiginous to a language that does not use our letter symbols is really a
    moot point.  The correct English spelling is anything that will cause an
    English-language reader to approximately recreate the right sequence of
    sounds.

    The spelling of "Channuka" is an English-language approximation that
    attempts to duplicate the sound.  The *correct* spelling is whatever the
    proper sequence of Hebrew letters is for that word.  There *is* no
    English-language equivalent of the oyster-hocking sound that begins that
    word, but there is a *Hebrew* letter for that sound.  The sound is quite
    similar to the Spanish pronunciation of a "j" ... like in, "Jose".

    I doubt that the Potawatamie Indians even *had* a written phonetic
    language, so there is no correct spelling for that.  Are the Greek
    stuffed grape leaves "dolmathes" or "dolmades"?  It doesn't really
    matter, because the correct spelling is a Greek word using Greek
    characters.  That sound in question is halfway atwixt a "d" and a "th",
    for which there is a letter in the Greek alphabet ... but no such sound
    in the English language.  Actually, it's pronounced like a Spanish "d"
    that occurs between vowels.

    Jim

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    Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:28:03 -0400
    From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Jackson Beck

    Hello all

    My question crosses  radio, and movie, genres.  Recently, I watched a Jimmy
    Stewart movie titled, The Jackpot. The readers  digest version is; Jimmy, and
    his wife, win a radio show contest, and are  awarded $24,[removed] in prizes.
    They
    later learn they are responsible for the  taxes on their loot. One of the
    prizes is a portrait of Jimmy, painted by a well  known female artist. Jimmy
    meets the artist in her hotel room, and realizes he  has put himself in a
    rather
    dangerous position. While the artist is in another  room changing clothes,
    Jimmy leaves her room hurriedly, and as he is leaving, a  voice says; "Still
    Posing Bill?" Jimmy replies they are almost finished, and as  he says that, a
    man
    walks through the scene very quickly, and says; "Oh. That's  too bad." I have
    tried to find a good of Jackson Beck, and have had no luck.  However. The
    voice
    certainly sounds like Beck, and although I can find no credit  for him in the
    movie, I am almost certain it was him. No mistaking that voice.

    Does anyone know where I can find a photo of Beck?

    Thanks

    Charlie North

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