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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2001 : Issue 405
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Lux Radio Theater article at economi [ "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; ]
OTR historical influences [ Alan Chapman <[removed]@verizon. ]
Re: UK Radio Drama [ OTRChris@[removed] ]
Christmas Shows [ "John edwards" <jcebigjohn41@hotmai ]
Sam Spade [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
Re: OTR fictional historical influen [ "Eric Cooper" <ejcooper2001@[removed] ]
Re: First singer on radio [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
re A tragic loss (Barton Yarborough) [ John Henley <jhenley@[removed] ]
CDs from Imagination Theatre NOT [ Henry Howard <hhoward@[removed] ]
Re: OTR fictional historical influen [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
OT: Picture CD [ "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed]; ]
RE: WHY CA, UK, AUS, ETC. [ "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
Those mid-50's Gildersleeve [removed] [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]
Re: George Bruns [ GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@ ]
BBC radio shows [ "S Skuse" <sskuse@[removed]; ]
Great Gildersleeve [ "michael Simon" <[removed]@wor ]
OTR fictional historical influences [ "H. K. Hinkley" <hkhinkley@[removed] ]
Cultural references, Christmas, quiz [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
Place name changes to OTR names [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
John Guedel, RIP [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
I Love A Mystery [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:35:18 -0500
From: "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Lux Radio Theater article at [removed]
An interesting article on The Economist website today about Lux Radio
Theater:
[removed]
Michael J. Hayde
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:35:42 -0500
From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed];
To: Old-Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: OTR historical influences
Were there any more historical influences that should be >mentioned.
There is an alley (literally) in downtown Boston that was renamed
"Allen's Alley" a few years ago in honor of native son Fred Allen.
And in the Boston suburb of Sudbury there is "Babe Ruth Drive," but
that's another whole story which us Red Sox fans would rather forget.
Alan
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:36:14 -0500
From: OTRChris@[removed]
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: UK Radio Drama
Eric Copper writes:
Canada, Britain and Australia
have thriving radio comedy/drama but not us. Many assume that those
countries'
lifestyles must be pretty close to ours of the 1940's in
which the whole family gathered round the radio every night. NOT TRUE.
I don't think anyone for one moment thinks that whole families gather around
the radio in any of these countries . It is just noticed that some of these
countries offer a staple of radio drama where in the states it is lacking .
Whether it is thriving is open to debate. There is probably more radio drama
produced in the states than in Canada . In the US however, we no longer have
a major network like the CBC (in Canada ) distributing the shows so current
productions receive little publicity . As a radio drama fan in fact I don't
even know about half of them .Many of the current productions are a little on
the high brow side and wouldn't garner a huge audience if they were on
television.
Much of television consists of a 'lazy' audience. Many of the viewers just
have nothing better to do with their time and watch the least objectional
program . Music radio often is just background noise or simple listening.
Even the audience for talk radio is more involved usually . People tune in
talk radio because they like the host or the topic of [removed] has a
more involved audience and appeals to many but not on the same level as a TV
hit. Radio drama is the same and more so . Probably more on the level with
the theater
audience.
([removed] a smaller audience but a more intense , involved and appreciative
audience. )
The radio audience could certainly be bigger if a show was done on a grand
scale. Imagine a thriller like Suspense back on the air every week with
really good stories and production values and a name star in the spotlight.
It would acquire an audience even greater than the CBS radio Mystery Theater.
The production personnel and guest stars would have to work for scale for it
to be financially feasible and in that regard you never get the best scripts.
People do not want to invest that much time and energy when the rewards are
so little financially . A script writer would rather invest his time in
something that puts bread on his table or a rolls royce in the garage.
For that reason the older shows are consistently better
and therefore more enjoyable to listen to . Modern shows have a hard time
competing with the classics not just TV.
-Chris
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:36:27 -0500
From: "John edwards" <jcebigjohn41@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Christmas Shows
Hi, I've watched with interest over the last several weeks to see if anyone
mentioned one of my favorite Christmas stories from radio. I don't think
this Christmas program was mentioned (while not [removed] guess)..one of my all
time favorites is "A Very Private Miracle" from the CBS Radio Mystery
Theater and starred Howard DaSilva. It was run several times right around
Christmas. Thanks John Edwards
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:40:13 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Sam Spade
Been listening to a bunch of Sam Spades recently and several that I heard
starred Sandra Gould as Bernadine, who replaced the vacationing Lurene
Tuttle in 1948. I know the name and some of the radio shows she appeared
in but I believe she was prominent on television too. I have a vague visual
image in my brain of her but am wondering if someone could refresh my
memory of just where I might have seen her on television - somehow a series
of commercials as a spokesperson/actor come to mind.
Thanks to whoever can help.
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
[ADMINISTRIVIA: [removed],+Sandra+(I) --cfs3]
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:35:31 -0500
From: "Eric Cooper" <ejcooper2001@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: OTR fictional historical influences
One could also mention the city of Truth or Consequences, New Mexico. In
addition, the city of Pocatello, Idaho (my birthplace) has two residential
streets named for OTR characters, Margo Lane (The Shadow) and Lois Lane
(Superman)
Eric Cooper
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:40:24 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: First singer on radio
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 00:02:41 -0500
From: Bill Jaker <bilj@[removed];
Subject: Re: First singer on radio
It sounds like you're recalling Vaughn DeLeath. The so-called "First Lady
of Radio" began her air career in the early 20s and was manager of station
WDT in New York. She's hailed as the first singer to cozy up close to the
microphone and "croon", weaving a sense of intimacy which has been
perpetuated ever since.
Yep, that's her. Another poster wrote me privately mentioning her
that jogged my memory. :
And yes, she "invented" crooning, since early mic's would "blow out"
if someone sang into them as they would on a stage.
Joe
--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:40:58 -0500
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: re A tragic loss (Barton Yarborough)
Michael Hayde wrote on 9/19:
Fifty years ago today, Barton Yarborough succumbed to a massive heart
attack. He was a mere 51 years old.
The reference work "Who Was Who On Screen" states that Yarborough
was born in Goldthwaite, Texas. Goldthwaite is three towns down State
Highway 183 from my birthplace of Brownwood TX. It's included in the
area phone book, so a few years ago I looked to see if he might still have
family in the town. There are, alas, no more Yarboroughs (at least none
with listed phones) in Goldthwaite. That doesn't mean there aren't still
family there, but I had no further info with which to check.
For the curious, Yarborough did some movie work; he's most readily
findable in the Universal film "The Ghost of Frankenstein" in which
he plays the assistant to Cedric Hardwicke's Dr. F. He's only in a
couple of scenes before his character meets the expected fate, but
he has a bit of dialogue.
--
John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:41:43 -0500
From: Henry Howard <hhoward@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: CDs from Imagination Theatre NOT
While Richard says that "You can get CDs directly from IT monthly on a
subscriptuion basis." I have be unsuccessful.
First, you cannot order using a Netscape Browser.
(Picky problem, but still )
When I did submit an order the system could not find
where to deliver the info. The mail to address had a problem.
The contact e-mail address on the web site is an account
that has not been used in some time and returns the
mail error: User's mailbox quota exceeded
I have talked to them on the phone and by e-mail explaining
the problems.
I was given a new e-mail address to send orders to.
I did.
I sent a follow up request several weeks later.
I have still not heard a word nor received any cds.
In my telephone conversation, the taking of individual orders
seemed to be a major hassle to IT.
You can give it a try, but don't hold your breath. And if you
do have success, let me know.
Henry Howard - moderator of radiodrama@[removed]
770 923 7955 [removed]
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:44:51 -0500
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: OTR fictional historical influences
In a message dated 12/20/01 11:04:28 AM, Allen writes:
Also, The Adventures of Superman was so popular that they had a Superman
Day in New York City.
***Actually, it was the New York World's Fair, not New York City, that held
Superman Day (which reportedly broke the previous one-day attendance record).
And it occurred July 3, 1940 during the early syndicated run of SUPERMAN,
not the retitled MBS-network ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN series. --Anthony
Tollin***
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:52:16 -0500
From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: OT: Picture CD
The list administrator noted:
[ADMINISTRIVIA: I believe Mr. Wells is refering to PhotoCD (when he said,
"Picture CD"), which is a Kodak propriatary format which requires a KODAK
PCD Imaging Workstation and cannot be burned at home - it's considerably
different from simply displaying JPEGs. --cfs3]
No, I think Mr. Wells was referring to the newer (and less expensive)
Picture CD format, also promoted by Kodak, which does use normal JPEG image
files (albeit at lower resolution than Photo CD) and apparently can be
displayed on some DVD players.
[ADMINISTRIVIA: The exact same considerations apply here; PictureCD is a
propriatary disc format which cannot be burned at home and requires a dealer
to burn . Therefore it isn't possible to add MP3 files to the disc, which was
the original suggestion; and it is _still_ considerably different from simply
displaying JPEGs. --cfs3]
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:10:38 -0500
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RE: WHY CA, UK, AUS, ETC.
In response to Eric's posting about the 10% of these related countries
listening to "OTR", all I can say is that it is 10% more than are listening
here. And he mentions Imagination Theatre as the only consistent radio
series. On how many stations - 5, 10, 15, 20? And there are programs like
Riders In The Sky - how many stations - 20, 30? or Cape Cod Thratre 10, 15,
20? Just think if every State in this great Country of ours would air any
of these programs on at least one station, what a great rensissance we would
have for OTR. True, NPR is airing Prarrie Home Companion on a syndicated
basis, but this too is limited to a few States that carry NPR.
* *********************************************************************
MICKEY KATZ: How could Bill Murtough mention Mickey Katz without mentioning
his hit recording in the 1950's of "Yiddish Muls Train," that was played
constantly on radio? ( I believe it was #1 for a long time on the Hit
Parade.)
Owens
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:26:34 -0500
From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Those mid-50's Gildersleeve [removed]
A few weeks ago, someone asked about the whereabouts of the post-1955
Great Gildersleeve episodes. I was very interested to find the answer to
this myself, and nobody ever said anything. Does anyone know what's up
with these episodes when the show went to a 15 minute format, and beyond?
rodney.
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:26:51 -0500
From: GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: George Bruns
Am I correct in assuming that this is George
BRUNIES, one of the really great early hot jazz
trombonists?
George Brunies changed his name to Brunis on the
advice of a numerologist, and later went to work for
Walt Disney.
But I was unaware that George Brunis had ever
FURTHER shortened his name to Bruns.
George Wagner
GWAGNEROLDTIMERADIO@[removed]
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:27:19 -0500
From: "S Skuse" <sskuse@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: BBC radio shows
Hi,
I was very sorry to learn from John Henley on the Digest that the BBC shop
in London would not ship tapes or CDs to the USA. I didn't realise that that
was the case.
However, there are stores in London which WILL ship BBC tapes
internationally. For one, the HMV store in Oxford Street, online at
[removed] (follow the link COMEDY / SPOKEN WORD). They will ship
to any address in the USA, CANADA, AUSTRALIA etc, apart from a PO Box
number.
Also UK Shopper ships BBC cassettes internationally.
Go to [removed] and
follow the links marked BBC RADIO COLLECTION.
Steve Lewis mentioned that Amazon's UK site will ship to the USA. The Amazon
UK operation is online at [removed]
Many thanks to everyone who e-mailed me off the digest about this topic.
Everyone's kind thoughts are appreciated.
Happy Christmas one and all.
Sandra Skuse
[removed]
English OTR comedian Jimmy Clitheroe
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:27:31 -0500
From: "michael Simon" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Great Gildersleeve
Does anyone know where I can get a clear copy of the December 7, 1941 show
(Octavia visits) with the bulletins interrupting the program? I have a copy
but it isn't very good. This may be the best available but I thought I would
ask.
Thanks.
Michael
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:27:57 -0500
From: "H. K. Hinkley" <hkhinkley@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR fictional historical influences
Allen ( AandG4jc@[removed] ) asks about influences of OTR back in the good
old days. How about the small town of Metropolis, Illinois, on the Ohio
River. The newspaper, a weekly, is named <The Planet>, a painting of
Superman graces the water tower, and the town had grandiose plans for a
Superman theme park that never got off the ground for financial reasons,
as I recall. If I remember correctly, the downtown merchants hired an
actor to dress in the red and blue and walk the streets.
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:28:41 -0500
From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Cultural references, Christmas, quiz
Hello. I am not sure if this would qualify, but how about Lone Ranger day
in Wyoming? This was on 06-30-48, to correspond with the 15th anniversary
show. I would like to get a copy of that show. It is not a regular LR
show, but describes the picnic and how the LR became the mayor of the city
for one day. Sorry I cannot remember which city it was. Of course there
is aslo Shadow Magazine which came after the OTR series. The character of
The Shadow was created because of the popularity of the radio series.
On another subject, someone awhile ago asked about odd or unusual Christmas
shows. Might I recommend the 12-25-32 Fred Allen show. Both the sound
quality and the script are harsh though. The script takes a negative view
of the holiday and depression, but I would suggest listening for yourself.
Finally, I have a little quiz for you. I am sure this is in a reference
book somewhere, but I feel it is obscure enough to see if anyone
knows. Both questions have to do with Fibber Mcgee and Molly and both
answers can be found in the shows themselves.
1. What was the little girl's first name?
2. What was Doc's first name?
I will give a clue in that both answers can be found towards the end of the
run. One answer is found in a 30 minute show, the other is not (at least
that I am aware of). You can find one answer by looking through a log. I
will give away the answer by saying that both references are found in
Christmas shows.
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Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 22:47:12 -0500
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Place name changes to OTR names
In addition to Pine Bluff, Arkansas, there is Truth or Consequences, New
Mexico.
The Miami, Florida area has Arthur Godfrey Road (a causeway between Miami
and Miami Beach), and I know of at least two Arthur Godfrey Islands. One
is in Florida, I believe named such by the Florida Nature Conservancy, in
appreciation for his support for conservation and what he called "ecology",
which is why it is so common for so many people to mis-use that word
today. Ecology is the science (-ology) of or study of the relationship
between all the many elements of nature.
The other Arthur Godfrey Island is one of the Thousand Islands along the
St. Lawrence Seaway, scattered between the United States and Canada. It
was so named and deededd to Mr. Godfrey after his huge success 50 years ago
with a novelty recording called "The Thousand Island Song". Tour boat
guides inevitably point out the wrong island to visitors; the real Arthur
Godfrey Island is on the Canadian side, away from the tour boat
route. Incidentally, Mr. Godfrey returned the deed to the official
organization which promotes the Thousand Islands area.
The Godfrey family lived for years outside Leesburg, Virginia. He
regularly did his Friday morning radio shows from a small studio room
built next to the kitchen in their beautiful brick home there. Mr. Godfrey
was responsible for Leesburg acquiring a very fine location for its
Leesburg Municipal Airport, which is named Arthur Godfrey Field.
Back to Miami, it also has its Jackie Gleason Avenue (I think it's Avenue,
but it may also be Road). A third street carries the name of the former
public relations man for the area, the man who had the two thoroughfares
named for those entertainers! The man's first name was Hank, and I am
chagrined to say the only name I can think of at the moment (the wrong one)
is Hank Ketcham, another famous contributor to literature and understanding
today!
Times being what they are, probably all three of the Miami streets will be
re-named again in the future, as the area decides that people have
forgotten "The Old Redhead" (he hated that) and "The Great One" (who loved
that!).
Since TIME magazine will undoubtedly name Osama bin Laden as its Man of the
Year, it wouldn't surprise me at all to see some byway renamed in his honor
somewhere. Let's hope it's a Dead End Street that traverses a very short
distance and ends abruptly.
New York City has many streets which officially have not had their names
changed, but on which additional street signs were put up to honor various
activities and people over the years. Sadly, one of them is Bruce Morrow
Drive or such.
I wouldn't be surprised if Chicago has (or had) something named for Amos n'
Andy or Gosden & Correll. Maybe also Don McNeill, or something like
Breakfast Club Way. Many of us would love to see it have some geographic
entity named in honor of Chuck Schaden. I would!
Happy holidays! Lee Munsick That Godfrey Guy
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 09:43:03 -0500
From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: John Guedel, RIP
John Guedel, age 88, died in Los Angeles Dec 15, following a heart
attack. One of the most innovative, independent broadcasting producers
of the 40s and 40s, Guedel was the creator and producer of Art
Linkletter's "House Party" and "People are Funny", as well as Groucho
Marx's "You Bet Your Life." All three began on radio and successfully
transitioned to television.
Guedel, a native of Portland, IN, grew up in southern California. His
first writing job was on the Laurel and Hardy film comedies, as well as
the "Our Gang" series. His association with Linkletter began in 1941 and
they debuted "People Are Funny" in 1942. Over the years, Guedel and
Linkletter produced eight different game shows, including one hosted by
a very young Johnny Carson. Guedel was also the one who launched radio's
"Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet" in 1944.
Linkletter, commenting on the death of his long-term partner, said: "It
was a partnership distinguished by the fact that we never had a signed
contract, nor a disagreement."
Guedel is survived by his wife, two children, a granddaughter, and a
great-grandson.
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 13:39:10 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: I Love A Mystery
I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is that I have
probably solved a mystery. The discs that were destroyed were only
duplicates of what is still in existence. The bad news is that it will
probably not result in the discovery of any previously unknown episodes
of anything, including I Love A Mystery.
I'm sure that Owens Pomeroy and Scott Eberbach won't mind my posting
this here. In response to Owens' question about the two different casts
of ILAM, Scott replied off-list and included a story about some ILAM
discs he thought might have existed in Japan but were known to have been
destroyed by AFRTS there. Owens forwarded Scott's message to me, and
because the Library of Congress has extensive AFRS and AFRTS holdings I
forwarded the relevant portion of the message to Sam Brylawski. Here
are those messages and Sam's reply--it shows the kind of detective work
that sometimes goes into finding these OTR recordings.
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: sbry@[removed]
Sam--
I was forwarded this message and thought you might be able to help. As
you know, one of the most sought after incompletely saved series is "I
Love A Mystery." I had no idea that it was on AFRTS, especially this
late. I do not know whether this person contacted Los Angeles or Tokyo,
but what is the possibility of a set of these being at LOC?
Here's the letter.
= ==============================
From: Scott Eberbach <seberbach@[removed];
Sent: Thu, Dec 20, 2001 4:11pm
To: Owens Pomeroy <OPomeroy@[removed];
Subject: Re: ILAM info
Hi Owens!
I'm a frequent visitor to Brian's ILAM site and have traded many e-mails
with him about the [removed] tracking down leads as to where some
of the missing discs might [removed] almost every lead that he
has tracked down turned out to be a dead end. Early this year I gave
him some scanty information that the discs may have made it as far as
Japan. I was stationed there between 1977 - 1980 and the Far East
Network (FEN) which was part of AFRTS used to broadcast OTR every
evening between 6 and 7pm. I recall hearing an
episode of Temple Of [removed] I was busy doing something else at
the time I remember hearing the voice of Sarah Fussell as the boy
[removed] I was searching my memory for the voice the show was
[removed] this was one of the existing episodes or one of the
missing ones I have no idea. Brian contacted AFRTS and was told that
the shows that they broadcast were kept in a library in case of a
situation occurring that would
prevent them from getting shows from the United States. When television
was added and space became an issue the discs were destroyed in
accordance with policy set down by the department of defense and the
industry! Sad news indeed for all of us ILAM fans. Scott
From: Samuel Brylawski <sbry@[removed];
To: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
"The Golden Days of Radio with Frank Bresee" ran on AFRTS from 1968
until about 1994. We have over 2500 55 minute programs, I believe.
Unfortunately, the labels rarely if ever tell you what the program being
repackaged is so we can't be of much help to this fellow. We cataloged
some Gold days in the mid-1970s; the bibliographic records are online in
our ILS catalog. I assume that this is where the ILAM episodes are, as
the series never ran by itself on either 12" or 16" discs.
If you know of any OTR people with spare time we welcome volunteers here
to listen to these series and take some title/cast notes to aid our
cataloging. Sam
= =================================
Well, there you have it. Mystery solved. I'll try to remember to bring
this up during my segment on the live Sunday night broadcast on
Yesterday USA because Frank Bresee is usually listening, and perhaps he
can tell us if he already has an index to all of his programs to save LC
and volunteers a lot of time. But this is in keeping with what
Elizabeth and I have been saying here for a couple of years. The
Library of Congress is not a closed shop or a black hole. You CAN go
there and listen to and research OTR. While it is harder than heck to
get your own copies of the recordings to take home with you, the
recordings are there to be heard and studied by anybody with a serious
interest in them. You will find there a very knowledgeable and staff
which, as you can see, is also very open to finding out information from
you, the users of the material. (This is in marked contrast to another
organization which I have discussed in the past--which is staffed by
novices and continually rejects corrections to their erroneous
identifications.)
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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