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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 01 : Issue 89
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
ADMINISTRIVIA: Recent UCE complaints [Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed]]
Dropping scripts ["Lois Culver" <lois@[removed]; ]
Lady Secret Squadron Members ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
SCRIPT DROPPING CONFIRMED ["Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
Morningside ["J. Randolph Cox" <cox@[removed]]
Radio shows to Cd's ["Andrew Rodriguez" <nasty@[removed]]
Questions on Falling Scripts ["michael edwards" <medwards_47@hotm]
Cincinnat Convention ["Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed]]
Script pages ["Harry Machin, Jr." <harbev5@earthl]
FRANKIE THOMAS'S MOTHER PASSES ON. ["Harold Zeigler" <hzeigler@charter-]
THANK YOU for the info on Those Were ["Dandrea" <cdandrea@[removed]; ]
Mystic Knights of the Sea ["Robert Fabris" <porthole@worldnet.]
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:35:39 -0500
From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA: Recent UCE [removed]
Folks;
Over the past couple of weeks, I have received a couple reports of posters
to this mailing list receiving UCE (unsolicited commercial email, sometimes
refered to as, "spam"). I have been able to positively verify one instance of
email addresses being "harvested" from this mailing list and being mailed
UCE, and am dealing with it to the best of my abilities. I have _not_ been
able to verify the other reports, although they are still under investigation.
Let me make something clear here; no one is permitted to "harvest" email
addresses for addition to any "maililng list." This isn't fair to our posters
to punish them by shoving UCE down their mailbox for sharing their knowledge
with us. I will do everything I can to see that spam email sent to our
subscribers is reported to _all_ upstreams. We take this _really_ seriously -
we get quite enough spam into our domain every day, targeted to addresses
harvested from our web pages, and hate the stuff probably more than anyone
else here.
I like to think that we have the greatest group of people _anywhere_ on
the Internet; the idea that a few people might take advantage of that makes
me angry enough to spit nails. It's clearly against the charter, it's clearly
against Internet "netiquette," and it's clearly a pretty lame thing to do. We
have lots of helpful folks here who cheerfully answer questions privately,
including dealers who will let you know if they supply a specific program you
are looking for - this is obviously NOT UCE, since it's a private message
from one person to another answering a specific question. It's this nonsense
of adding people's addresses to "mailing lists" and then telling the address
they may "unsubscribe" that is completely unacceptable. (It's technically
refered to as opt-OUT, as opposed to the OTR Digest which is opt-IN; we never
mail the Digest to ANYONE who hasn't specifically requested it, and then
CONFIRMED their desire to read it.)
If you believe you have been "spammed" by someone specifically because of
a posting to this mailing list, please contact me _privately_ so I may give
you further information on supplying me with evidence of the incident. I will
do everything I can to help you report the miscrient, and in specific cases
may report the mailing to upstreams myself. Please do NOT initially send the
email in question, since we have pretty severe anti-spam filters which will
likely reject it; just contact me privately with information on the incident,
and we'll go from there.
If you are unsure about any of this, or what it means to you, please drop
me a note, and I'll be glad to explain (without discussing any conversations
or actions taken against any prior messages, of course). And I apologize to
those who have complained to me over the past couple of weeks; know that
there's no way on this green earth I would supply _anyone's_ email address to
_anyone_ without the owner's permission, and certainly will do everything I
can to stop anyone crass enough to pull a stunt like this to annoy our
subscribers.
Charlie Summers
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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:43:59 -0500
From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Dropping scripts
My last post on [removed]!!
Elizabeth E., I did go through my stack of publicity pictures and could find
none with FEET in [removed], no script pages would be showing.
And, re your suggestion about using music stands. This was done if someone
had a lot of lines. I have a picture of Straight Arrow with his script on a
music stand, but he had lines all the way through the show and was seldom
off-mike. If an actor was in and out, or had few lines, it would not be as
practical to have extra music stands - they would be in the way of other
actors coming into the scene.
Lois Culver
You know all my credits now! ;)
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:40:39 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Lady Secret Squadron Members
A Joseph Ross, commenting upon my observation that the Secret Squadron on
the radio version of Captain Midnight had no gender bias in Secet
Squadron agents, notes,
We hardly ever saw any female Secret Squadron members on the TV show.
<snip> I can only remember one woman Secret Squadron member on the TV
show. Captain Midnight was trapped
inside an ice house. He managed to find a couple of metal strips which
he bent into the letters "SQ 1" <snip> .). An elderly woman came to buy
ice [which] had Captain Midnight's signal on it. She
immediately took her "pocket locator" ( a 1950s version of Captain Kirk's
communicator) out of her pocketbook and called Secret Squadron
[removed];<
The television version wasn't canonical. Note in it both Chuck and Joyce
weren't regulars, Ichabod Mudd lost his inventiveness, etc. The stories
were aimed at a much lower age level that the radio fare. Pocket
Locators were established in the radio show, but required a cipher device
and acted silently. ("Captain [Midnight], my pocket locator is flashing
on, and how," Chuck Ramsay said in one of the surviving recordings of the
show, a "Return of Ivan Shark" episode.) The initial model was presented
to Captain Midnight for Secret Squadron use during World War II, as the
Secret Squadron was setting up a base in England.
(On the radio show, it was SS 1, but after the war, the SS wasn't what
they wanted to call the Secret Squadron.)<<
Actually, "SS" was used throughout the entire Ovaltine-sponsored radio
run, which ran until the end of 1949. In fact, rather than spelling out
"Secret Squadron" in the yearly Code-O-Graphs, "SS" was used on the 1947,
1948, and 1949 Code-O-Graphs. This is another of the many ways to
differentiate between radio and TV premiums. "SQ" anywhere on a premium
brands it as coming from the TV era, and there weren't that many of them.
The post-TV, mail-in premiums, all used "SQ."
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:42:42 -0500
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: SCRIPT DROPPING CONFIRMED
Thank you, John Jensen for confirming that "script dropping" did occur
if not always, then once in awhile. I thought for a moment I was in "the
twilight zone" with that memory.
Lois, I checked two interviews I had back in the 70's with Jack Beck,
and Boris Aplon, and they both said although they did not do it themselves,
at one time or another they saw fellow actors, as they finished a page of
script, carefully drop it to their side, as did Bing Crosby, because the
studio floors were carpeted and the paper would not make any noise.
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:42:44 -0500
From: "J. Randolph Cox" <cox@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Morningside
I've been reading a book called _The Morningside Papers_ comprised largely
of letters that listeners to this Canadian radio show sent in. It's the
first in a series and was originally published in 1985 (my copy is a 1990
reprint). Is this show still on the air and is Peter Gzowski still in
broadcasting?
Randy Cox
cox@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:42:47 -0500
From: "Andrew Rodriguez" <nasty@[removed];
To: "Old Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Radio shows to Cd's
Dear Folks,
My friend just got a computer that allows you to burn cd's and I'm going to
begin to transfer my recordings of radio shows on my hard drive onto cds. I
was wondering if anyone could tell me how many normal length OTR radio shows
I could expect to be able to get onto a CD disc? Many thanks as always for
your time. Please send any information to nasty@[removed] . [removed]
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:42:49 -0500
From: "michael edwards" <medwards_47@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Questions on Falling Scripts
Hi all. Been following the "falling scripts" discussion with great
interest, and I have a couple of questions.
1)In issue 86, Owens Pomeroy states "and when we finished a page of script,
we oh, so gently let it fall to the floor behind us so the rumple of paper
would not go out over the air as well." Yet, in issue 88, Owens writes: "I
guess our "hick" stations in Baltimore were the
ones to come up with the idea to have a table behind us to place the scripts
on (it was only a matter of a glance back to the table to make sure you hit
it)." With all due respect, a table is not a floor. Perhaps you intended
to say table instead of floor in the first place?
2) With a lot of importance placed on keeping the scripts quiet, I wonder
what an actor did when they had a long stretch of dialouge--say, something
that started at the bottom of one page and carried over to the next page?
Would they memorize the rest of the dialouge and shift the pages later?
Michael Edwards
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 11:42:52 -0500
From: "Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Cincinnat Convention
Have the convention booklets ready and if anyone
would like to have one email your address.
If you have never been to a OTR convention why
not try one this year. You will meet sone of the
nicest people in the world and have a great time.
Bob Burchett
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:32:39 -0500
From: "Harry Machin, Jr." <harbev5@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Script pages
I saw quite a few radio broadcasts (Hollywood, early
1950s), e. g., First Nighter, The Real McCoys, Lux
Radio Theater, Frankie Fontaine Show, The Contented
Hour, etc., and no one ever dropped a script page or
even put them down anywhere. They simply moved
the page from top to bottom.
Harry Machin, Jr.
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 15:51:35 -0500
From: "Harold Zeigler" <hzeigler@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: FRANKIE THOMAS'S MOTHER PASSES ON.
i just read in a movie paper that mona bruns,100,died on june 13,2000
. she appeared in movies from 1934 [removed] did early t v as the mother of the
video ranger on "capt. vodeo" and many other tv soaps . her husband frank
thomas sr. was in many early films , radio,and tv shows. frankie thomas jr.
was tom corbett in tv's "tom corbett,space cadet" and was at the newark fotr
convention several years ago.
till next time,harold
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:05:17 -0500
From: "Dandrea" <cdandrea@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: THANK YOU for the info on Those Were The Days
Thanks to all who sent me Email and posted to the digest about Chuck and his
show!
Thank you
Chris
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Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:09:26 -0500
From: "Robert Fabris" <porthole@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Mystic Knights of the Sea
I would like to get some background information about the MKotS, as
discussed in Amos & Andy---history, organization, [removed] How did Gearge
Stevens get to be the King Fish?? Elizabeth??? Thanks, Bob
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