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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 01 : Issue 48
A Part of the [removed]!
Today's Topics:
Lone Wolf? Wolf Paw! ["William Harper" <whhsa@[removed]]
LIBERTY BROADCASTING NETWORK ["Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
Stand By For .... ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
Re:The Mutual Network Commentator 19 ["Tim Lones" <tallones@[removed]; ]
OTR Weddings ["Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <igsjr@[removed]]
RE: Dale Evans & Radio [Kubelski@[removed] ]
Re: Uncle Don [Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed]]
Weddings ["Jeff G" <jeffg@[removed]; ]
A bit More on Commentators ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
Re: MP3 [Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
Re: Uncle Don [Udmacon@[removed] ]
Dale Evans ["Richard Pratz" <[removed]@home]
Obscure transcription company ["Michael Ogden" <michaelo67@hotmail]
Uncle Don ["A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed].]
More Canadian Old Time Radio ["Jeff G" <jeffg@[removed]; ]
Wedding Shows ["Schickedanz" <schickedanz@[removed];]
Dale Evans ["Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed]]
Introduction ["Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed]]
Paul Harvey ["Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed]]
THE OLD PHILOSOPHER ["Lee, Steve (DEOC)" <slee@[removed].]
CAN WE BRING BACK OTR? ["Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:52:41 -0500
From: "William Harper" <whhsa@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Lone Wolf? Wolf Paw!
I do not remember as well as I use too! It is not Lone Wolf that I seek
info about, but Wolf Paw. A POW-WOWer wrote asking about this show. What
he remembered was that he heard from 1930-1934 in Sioux City, Iowa. I am
looking for any link between this show and Straight Arrow and/or Ted
Robertston. in our research for Straight Arrow we never found how the
concept originated.
Lois thank you for the kind words.
Bill
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:52:46 -0500
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: LIBERTY BROADCASTING NETWORK
I wonder how many sports fans on the list remember the old Liberty
Broadcasting Network? What was so unique about this network was that all
the sports events they broadcast were recreated in a studio! This is how
they managed that: The crew consisted of an engineer, a news man and a SFX
man. The event, baseball, football, soccer, , boxing, horse racing, etc.
came over the AP wire in the studio. The newsman and SFX man then worked
together as a team. If there was a baseball game and a batter got a hit,
you would hear the crack of ther bat, crowd roar, etc. just as if they were
there. They would even let you hear the peanut hawkers yelling over the
crowd.
The effect was pure genius! A lot of listeners actually thought they were
at the ball game, Via The Liberty Network. Now THAT is what I would call
"the magic and power of radio!"
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ANOTHER FRED ALLEN QUIP
Here is another gem that Fred had to say about TV. He didn't like it.
and when asked if he thought radio people would go to TV he said:
"We people in radio will never succeed in Television, because we will never
be SMALL enough to [removed] that ...little tube!"
(Pure Allen)
Owens Pomeroy
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:52:49 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Stand By For ....
David Easter, reflecting upon Paul Harvey, muses,
I wonder what would happen if he reported Martians landing in New
Jersey?<<
He'd probably have tried to sell the Martians Citrical. :-)
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:52:55 -0500
From: "Tim Lones" <tallones@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re:The Mutual Network Commentator 1960's
This is just a guess But Might that have been Fulton Lewis [removed] the
3rd? I think he was with Mutual into the early 1970's?
Again just a [removed]
Tim Lones
Canton, Ohio
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:52:58 -0500
From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <igsjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Weddings
Ted wrote:
My problem--I would like to have a comedy program in which a wedding
is a
major plot line. Can anyone think of an episode like that?<<
The first one I thought of right off the bat is the 6/27/43 episode of
THE GREAT [removed] I'm sure there are many [removed]
Ivan
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:11:14 -0500
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RE: Dale Evans & Radio
The invaluable David Hinckley of the New York Daily News did mention that Ms.
Evans was a radio singer in his obituary. David covers the radio beat
exclusively for the News and is the only reporter in New York who is aware
New York has a radio history. His story ran in yesterday's edition.
Sean Dougherty
kubelski@[removed]
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:35:14 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Uncle Don
On 2/9/01 11:16 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote:
if it's an urban legend then why was uncle don fired???
He wasn't. Not ever. Don Carney broadcast continuously over WOR from 1928
to 1949 -- the biggest change in his schedule being when his daily show
was dropped in 1947 and replaced by a weekly Sunday morning program. His
departure from the station in 1949 was retirement, not dismissal.
As Snopes' account of the "Uncle Don Affair" points out, a variation of
the "little bastards" story first appeared in print in 1930 -- but you
will search the radio press in vain for any reference linking this
alleged incident to Uncle Don until 1935. But his career continued
without interruption thruout the 1930s and 1940s -- with no firing, no
disciplinary action of any kind.
Uncle Don appeared over Mutual for a brief run in 1939-40, and this was
really the only chance children outside the WOR listening area had to
hear him. When the series lost its national sponsor in 1940, it was
because the contract had run out and the sponsor chose not to renew -- so
the program disappeared from Mutual, perhaps giving rise to the myth that
"Uncle Don was fired." But he wasn't -- and he continued over WOR for
another decade without incident of any kind.
Elizabeth
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:35:11 -0500
From: "Jeff G" <jeffg@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Weddings
Of course, there are many great ones from AMOS N ANDY where a wedding is
important to the plot (or a divorce, but that woulnd't be quite appropriate).
But I think those shows were while it was a serial, and not many of them are
available to my knowledge.
jeff
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:21:42 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: A bit More on Commentators
David L. Easter also notes,
While Mr. Harvey is not a "common" rebel rouser, he does put a definite
spin on his stories and purports them to be true. I've heard several of
his stories that were 90% "story" and very [removed];<
Well, a news commentator was more of an editorialist than a reporter.
Throughout the history of OTR commentating, including Walter Winchell,
Drew Pearson, and H. V. Kaltenborn, used equivalent ways to present
stories. These folk were called what they were classified as because
they would ==>comment<== on the news.
On our AM station that carries Paul Harvey, there is a five-minute
"straight" news broadcast immediately before the Harvey broadcast airs.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:21:47 -0500
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: MP3
In answer to the question, we are putting our entire collection on MP3. It
is a slow process, but by the Cincinnati Convention I should have a lot ready.
This may be a bit OT and a bit controversial, so bear with me. I'd like to
know if anyone out there sells CDs of OTR in MP3 format. I'd really like to
hook up on a few CDs to build up my collection.
Fred
For the best in Old Time Radio Shows [removed]
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:21:51 -0500
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Uncle Don
Where was it ever said Uncle Don was fired?
BILL KNOWLTON
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:21:53 -0500
From: "Richard Pratz" <[removed]@[removed];
To: "OTR (Plain Text Only)" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Dale Evans
Mark Lambert asked about Dale Evans OTR connection.
Here's a brief thumbnail sketch - -
Evans was a singer on many popular radio programs before she went into
Westerns with future husband Roy Rogers in 1944. At one point, she was the
featured vocalist for 39-weeks with Bergen & McCarthy and sang on the shows
of Durante and Moore and Jack Carson. She first performed on a local program
in Memphis which led to stints at WHAS Louisville and WFAA Dallas and a job
as a vocalist with Anson Weeks' Orchestra in Chicago. In 1940 as a CBS staff
singer, the network chose her as star of "News and Rhythm" after which she
moved to films. Her radio credits include "That Girl From Texas" 1940-41,
"Chase and Sanborn Hour" 1942-43, "Saturday Night Roundup" 1946-47, and the
"Roy Rogers Show" 1948-55.
I don't mean to sound [removed] when it came to seeing Dale on
the silver screen, most of us kids in the 40's just "tolerated" her antics
alongside Roy. Generally, her entrance was a time to go to the lobby and get
some more NECCO's! But for that matter, we generally got out our cap guns
and hooted and hollered when Roy broke into song. We were more interested in
the action. The ruckus with our cap guns got to be so bad at the Bertha
Theatre on Chicago's Northside, that the managmenet eventually made us check
our sixguns at the door before we went in. And to get us to leave (cause
we'd stay all day if we could), they offered free comic books at the door as
we filed out! We soon learned that most of the comics were "used" with
missing covers and pages!
Rich
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:21:55 -0500
From: "Michael Ogden" <michaelo67@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Obscure transcription company
Brian Johnson inquired about the Continental Broadcasting Corporation. While
we're still on the subject of West Coast transcription companies, I was
wondering if Elizabeth or Michael or anyone else might know anything about
Hollywood Radio Attractions (ca. 1933). I've come across one mention of them
in VARIETY and assume that they fizzled out pretty quickly, but, for
purposes of my research, I need to find out as much as I can about their
history and whether or not they ever actually released anything.
Thanks in advance for whatever help anybody can give.
Mike Ogden
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:13:22 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Uncle Don
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 01:07:22 -0500
From: HAY EWE! <cien@[removed];
if it's an urban legend then why was uncle don fired???
He wasn't. That's part of the urban legend.
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:24:08 -0500
From: Garry Lewis <glewis@[removed];
[removed]
This is a good summary of the whole story. I find it interesting that
they talk about the same blooper also being attributed to other children's
hosts. More than once, I've heard the remark attributed to Big Brother
Bob Emery, who had a show on the DuMont Television Network for about four
years in the late 40s and early 50s, and then returned to Boston as a
daily fixture on WBZ-TV for many years thereafter. I've also heard it
attributed to Buffalo Bob Smith, of Howdy Doody fame, though there's no
record of his ever saying it.
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
15 Court Square lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed]~lawyer/
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:18:42 -0500
From: "Jeff G" <jeffg@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: More Canadian Old Time Radio
Hi all!
Just letting everyone interested know that there are more soundclips
available of Canadian Old Time Radio shows at my site under the CANADIAN OLD
TIME RADIO SECTION
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I recently obtained a new software program for encoding the sound files, and
the quality is MUCH better.
New shows include:
CBC STRING ORCHESTRA (1942)
CBC SUMMER STAGE (1957)
DON GRAY, MARINE INVESTIGATOR (1954) <-- this is Canada's equivalent of Sam
Spade, or Philip Marlowe
Please enjoy!
jeff
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:24:31 -0500
From: "Schickedanz" <schickedanz@[removed];
To: "Old-Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Wedding Shows
Hi, all.
Ted Welsa asked for ideas for "a comedy program in which a wedding is a
major plot line." I just finished listening to the Amos 'n' Andy 15-minute
show of April 3, 1939, which presents the wedding ceremony of Andy and Ms.
Green. The show is amusing, I think, because it portrays Andy's nervousness
so well.
Norm Schickedanz
Elmhurst, IL
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:35:19 -0500
From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Dale Evans
Mark,
There was a Roy Rogers radio program on NBC and Mutual (check Hickerson
for dates) from 1944 to 1955. And Dale Evans starred on the show with Roy.
Don't have exact dates when she was on, but Hickerson details this.
If you don't have Hickerson and need the specifics, let me know.
Ted Kneebone / 1528 S. Grant St. / Aberdeen, SD 57401 / 605-226-3344
tkneebone1@[removed] | OTR: [removed]
[removed] |
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:01:50 -0500
From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Introduction
Just a brief intro: I've been an OTR buff for many years but am new to
cyberspace. My specialized OTR interests include: (a) Chicago radio
(voices, programming, station breaks, advertising) 1940-55 and
(b)Advertising on broadcasts and station breaks 1940-55.
I appreciate hearing recordings of many "dated" (old-fashioned) broadcasts
('40s-'50s) for their immediacy and historical (cultural, social) value and
nostalgic value.
Clear and accurate facts about OTR, including correct broadcast dates, are
important to me.
As a kid in the '40s and '50s I attended radio broadcasts in Chicago and
Hollywood studios.
-- Phil Chavin
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:01:52 -0500
From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Paul Harvey
Paul Harvey had a program on Chicago radio as early as 1944.
In response to "RWL": Harvey's beer sponsor on Chicago radio in the 1950s
was Edelweiss beer ("Drink Edelweiss/it tastes so [removed]").
Would anyone know if any recordings of Paul Harvey broadcasts from
1944--1950s exist? (I know later ones do.) By the way, neither Mr. Harvey's
office nor Chuck Schaden, for example, have any recordings from '44--'50s.
--- Phil Chavin philchav@[removed]
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:01:54 -0500
From: "Lee, Steve (DEOC)" <slee@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: THE OLD PHILOSOPHER
"Is that what's bothering you Bunky?, then hold Your head up high, face the
world and smile, smile, smile!!!" Eddie Lawrence appeared many times on late
50's & early 60 variety and entertainment programs. There was always slow,
sob story violin music playing in the background as he related your woes.
This was followed by the booming "Then hold your head up high [removed]
Steve Lee
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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:21:59 -0500
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: CAN WE BRING BACK OTR?
** ONE MAN'S OPINION **
From what I have seen in radio listings from all over the US, it
looks like old time radio is slowly arriving - even if it is only one
station at a time. Some of the stations are surveying "contemporary" drama
as a late-night fare and most of the real stuffiis from archives of those
people who were far-sighted enough to save the old recordings or to
air-check them or those who's "pack-rat tendencies finally paid off.
From out of the Nostalgia network has come an outgrowing of radio
remembrances you'd have to hear to believe! Such shows as Lum & Abner,
duffy'd Tavern were great anthology type series series which starred Jim
Jordan and others. Readers of this OTR Digest know this as well as I do.
As an avid former broadcaster and OTR "buff", I one who believes
there is STILL room for vintage radio on the air. I do hope that today's
broadcasters in the 21st. Century will treat the Golden Years tenderly.
Radio is so completive and so varied in it's approaches that we "old-timers"
have to accept whatever "crumbs" come our way. But thank God we are eating
a little bit higher "off the hog" currently. In its hey-day, network radio
pretty much directed what the country listened to. But now it seems to be a
guerilla action. OTR Clubs around the country will have to employ a LOT of
lobbying, most likely if we want to hear our old favorites as a regular
programming feature on ALL local stations in their specific area.
Most Nostalgia radio (that is being aired) is by syndicaters today and
it is pretty tough to [removed] are just too many talk shows that are on
the market for free. Insurance companies, drug chains, etc, underwrite a
number of these and ship them around the country. If a show comes in
partially pre-sold, with a commercial or two already contained, you can look
for a favorable view from the local station. Other wise you have to sell it
to a station, who has to install enthusiasm into their salesmen, who in turn
has to go out and convince someone to buy the program.
Its a shame that the economy isn't better for the commercial stations,
but are played to a certain extent on the Public Radio Stations as part of
their regular programming schedule, financed by underwriting and member
pledges. Whether or not the commercial stations will feature any OTR
entertainment is a tough question to answer. One reason I feel they are
hesitant, at least here on the East coast is he fact that stations keep
changing their formats more often than I change my socks. Just when a
station starts to gain a certain popularity and good demographics, the
program director moves out and a new one wants to do things differently and
you are "off to the races, again!"
Radio Stations, if they are willing, can do a great service to the
Golden Age Broadcasts. Possibly they could even schedule them as "cultural
programs,: similar to their old "public service" time, which allowed 4 hours
out of the broadcast day devoted to this time. All we can do now that we
are in the new Millennium, hopefully is . . . .wait and [removed]
[removed] listen!!
- THIRTY -
Owens Pomeroy
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