Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #48
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Date: 2/11/2001 3:10 AM

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                          The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                             Volume 01 : Issue 48
                        A Part of the [removed]!

                               Today's Topics:

     Lone Wolf? Wolf Paw!                 ["William Harper" <whhsa@[removed]]
     LIBERTY BROADCASTING NETWORK         ["Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
     Stand By For ....                    ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     Re:The Mutual Network Commentator 19 ["Tim Lones" <tallones@[removed]; ]
     OTR Weddings                         ["Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <igsjr@[removed]]
     RE: Dale Evans & Radio               [Kubelski@[removed]                   ]
     Re: Uncle Don                        [Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed]]
     Weddings                             ["Jeff G" <jeffg@[removed];     ]
     A bit More on Commentators           ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     Re: MP3                              [Fred Berney <berney@[removed];      ]
     Re: Uncle Don                        [Udmacon@[removed]                    ]
     Dale Evans                           ["Richard Pratz" <[removed]@home]
     Obscure transcription company        ["Michael Ogden" <michaelo67@hotmail]
     Uncle Don                            ["A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed].]
     More Canadian Old Time Radio         ["Jeff G" <jeffg@[removed];     ]
     Wedding Shows                        ["Schickedanz" <schickedanz@[removed];]
     Dale Evans                           ["Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed]]
     Introduction                         ["Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed]]
     Paul Harvey                          ["Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed]]
     THE OLD PHILOSOPHER                  ["Lee, Steve (DEOC)" <slee@[removed].]
     CAN WE BRING BACK OTR?               ["Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:52:41 -0500
    From: "William Harper" <whhsa@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Lone Wolf? Wolf Paw!

    I do not remember as well as I use too!  It is not Lone Wolf that I seek
    info about, but Wolf Paw.  A POW-WOWer wrote asking about this show.  What
    he remembered was that he heard from 1930-1934 in Sioux City, Iowa.  I am
    looking for any link between this show and Straight Arrow and/or Ted
    Robertston.  in our research for Straight Arrow we never found how the
    concept originated.
    Lois thank you for the kind words.
    Bill

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:52:46 -0500
    From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  LIBERTY BROADCASTING NETWORK

         I wonder how many sports fans on the list remember the old Liberty
    Broadcasting Network?  What was so unique about this network was that all
    the sports events they broadcast were recreated in a studio!  This is how
    they managed that:  The crew consisted of an engineer, a news man and a SFX
    man.  The event, baseball, football, soccer, , boxing, horse racing, etc.
    came over the AP wire in the studio.  The newsman and SFX man then worked
    together as a team.  If there was a baseball game and a batter got a hit,
    you would hear the crack of ther bat, crowd roar, etc. just as if they were
    there.  They would even let you hear the peanut hawkers yelling over the
    crowd.

       The effect was pure genius! A lot of listeners actually thought they were
    at the ball game, Via The Liberty Network.  Now THAT is what I would call
    "the magic and power of radio!"

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                          ANOTHER FRED ALLEN QUIP
       Here is another gem that Fred had to say about TV.  He didn't like it.
    and when asked if he thought radio people would go to TV he said:
    "We people in radio will never succeed in Television, because we will never
    be SMALL enough to [removed] that ...little tube!"
    (Pure Allen)

    Owens Pomeroy

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:52:49 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Stand By For ....

    David Easter, reflecting upon Paul Harvey, muses,

> >     I wonder what would happen if he reported Martians landing in New

    Jersey?<<

    He'd probably have tried to sell the Martians Citrical. :-)

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:52:55 -0500
    From: "Tim Lones" <tallones@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:The Mutual Network Commentator 1960's

         This is just a guess But Might that have been Fulton Lewis [removed] the
    3rd? I think he was with Mutual into the early 1970's?
    Again just a [removed]

    Tim Lones
    Canton, Ohio

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 05:52:58 -0500
    From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <igsjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR Weddings

    Ted wrote:

> >     My problem--I would like to have a comedy program in which a wedding

    is a
    major plot line.  Can anyone think of an episode like that?<<

    The first one I thought of right off the bat is the 6/27/43 episode of
    THE GREAT [removed] I'm sure there are many [removed]

    Ivan

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:11:14 -0500
    From: Kubelski@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RE: Dale Evans & Radio

    The invaluable David Hinckley of the New York Daily News did mention that Ms.
    Evans was a radio singer in his obituary.  David covers the radio beat
    exclusively for the News and is the only reporter in New York who is aware
    New York has a radio history.  His story ran in yesterday's edition.

    Sean Dougherty
    kubelski@[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:35:14 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Uncle Don

    On 2/9/01 11:16 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     if it's an urban legend then why was uncle don fired???

    He wasn't. Not ever. Don Carney broadcast continuously over WOR from 1928
    to 1949 -- the biggest change in his schedule being when his daily show
    was dropped in 1947 and replaced by a weekly Sunday morning program. His
    departure from the station in 1949 was retirement, not dismissal.

    As Snopes' account of the "Uncle Don Affair" points out, a variation of
    the "little bastards" story first appeared in print in 1930 -- but you
    will search the radio press in vain for any reference linking this
    alleged incident to Uncle Don until 1935. But his career continued
    without interruption thruout the 1930s and 1940s -- with no firing, no
    disciplinary action of any kind.

    Uncle Don appeared over Mutual for a brief run in 1939-40, and this was
    really the only chance children outside the WOR listening area had to
    hear him. When the series lost its national sponsor in 1940, it was
    because the contract had run out and the sponsor chose not to renew -- so
    the program disappeared from Mutual, perhaps giving rise to the myth that
    "Uncle Don was fired." But he wasn't -- and he continued over WOR for
    another decade without incident of any kind.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:35:11 -0500
    From: "Jeff G" <jeffg@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Weddings

    Of course, there are many great ones from AMOS N ANDY where a wedding is
    important to the plot (or a divorce, but that woulnd't be quite appropriate).
    But I think those shows were while it was a serial, and not many of them are
    available to my knowledge.

    jeff

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:21:42 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  A bit More on Commentators

    David L. Easter also notes,

> >     While Mr. Harvey is not a "common" rebel rouser, he does put a definite

    spin on his stories and purports them to be true. I've heard several of
    his stories that were 90% "story" and very [removed];<

    Well, a news commentator was more of an editorialist than a reporter.
    Throughout the history of OTR commentating, including Walter Winchell,
    Drew Pearson, and H. V. Kaltenborn, used equivalent ways to present
    stories.  These folk were called what they were classified as because
    they would ==>comment<== on the news.

    On our AM station that carries Paul Harvey, there is a five-minute
    "straight" news broadcast immediately before the Harvey broadcast airs.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:21:47 -0500
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: MP3

    In answer to the question, we are putting our entire collection on MP3. It
    is a slow process, but by the Cincinnati Convention I should have a lot ready.

>     This may be a bit OT and a bit controversial, so bear with me.  I'd like to
>     know if anyone out there sells CDs of OTR in MP3 format.  I'd really like to
>     hook up on a few CDs to build up my collection.

    Fred
    For the best in Old Time Radio Shows [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:21:51 -0500
    From: Udmacon@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Uncle Don

    Where was it ever said Uncle Don was fired?

    BILL KNOWLTON

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:21:53 -0500
    From: "Richard Pratz" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: "OTR (Plain Text Only)" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Dale Evans

    Mark Lambert asked about Dale Evans OTR connection.
    Here's a brief thumbnail sketch - -

    Evans was a singer on many popular radio programs before she went into
    Westerns with future husband Roy Rogers in 1944. At one point, she was the
    featured vocalist for 39-weeks with Bergen & McCarthy and sang on the shows
    of Durante and Moore and Jack Carson. She first performed on a local program
    in Memphis which led to stints at WHAS Louisville and WFAA Dallas and a job
    as a vocalist with Anson Weeks' Orchestra in Chicago. In 1940 as a CBS staff
    singer, the network chose her as star of "News and Rhythm" after which she
    moved to films. Her radio credits include "That Girl From Texas" 1940-41,
    "Chase and Sanborn Hour" 1942-43, "Saturday Night Roundup" 1946-47, and the
    "Roy Rogers Show" 1948-55.

    I don't mean to sound [removed] when it came to seeing Dale on
    the silver screen, most of us kids in the 40's just "tolerated" her antics
    alongside Roy. Generally, her entrance was a time to go to the lobby and get
    some more NECCO's! But for that matter, we generally got out our cap guns
    and hooted and hollered when Roy broke into song. We were more interested in
    the action. The ruckus with our cap guns got to be so bad at the Bertha
    Theatre on Chicago's Northside, that the managmenet eventually made us check
    our sixguns at the door before we went in. And to get us to leave (cause
    we'd stay all day if we could), they offered free comic books at the door as
    we filed out!  We soon learned that most of the comics were "used" with
    missing covers and pages!

    Rich

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 13:21:55 -0500
    From: "Michael Ogden" <michaelo67@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Obscure transcription company

    Brian Johnson inquired about the Continental Broadcasting Corporation. While
    we're still on the subject of West Coast transcription companies, I was
    wondering if Elizabeth or Michael or anyone else might know anything about
    Hollywood Radio Attractions (ca. 1933). I've come across one mention of them
    in VARIETY and assume that they fizzled out pretty quickly, but, for
    purposes of my research, I need to find out as much as I can about their
    history and whether or not they ever actually released anything.

    Thanks in advance for whatever help anybody can give.

    Mike Ogden

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 14:13:22 -0500
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Uncle Don

>     Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 01:07:22 -0500
>     From: HAY EWE! <cien@[removed];

>     if it's an urban legend then why was uncle don fired???

    He wasn't.  That's part of the urban legend.

>     Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:24:08 -0500
>     From: Garry Lewis <glewis@[removed];

>     [removed]

    This is a good summary of the whole story.  I find it interesting that
    they talk about the same blooper also being attributed to other children's
    hosts.  More than once, I've heard the remark attributed to Big Brother
    Bob Emery, who had a show on the DuMont Television Network for about four
    years in the late 40s and early 50s, and then returned to Boston as a
    daily fixture on WBZ-TV for many years thereafter.  I've also heard it
    attributed to Buffalo Bob Smith, of Howdy Doody fame, though there's no
    record of his ever saying it.

     A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                        [removed]
     15 Court Square                     lawyer@[removed]
     Boston, MA 02108-2503      [removed]~lawyer/

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:18:42 -0500
    From: "Jeff G" <jeffg@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  More Canadian Old Time Radio

    Hi all!

    Just letting everyone interested know that there are more soundclips
    available of Canadian Old Time Radio shows at my site under the CANADIAN OLD
    TIME RADIO SECTION

    [removed]

    I recently obtained a new software program for encoding the sound files, and
    the quality is MUCH better.

    New shows include:
    CBC STRING ORCHESTRA (1942)
    CBC SUMMER STAGE (1957)
    DON GRAY, MARINE INVESTIGATOR (1954) <-- this is Canada's equivalent of Sam
    Spade, or Philip Marlowe

    Please enjoy!

    jeff

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 17:24:31 -0500
    From: "Schickedanz" <schickedanz@[removed];
    To: "Old-Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Wedding Shows

    Hi, all.

    Ted Welsa asked for ideas for "a comedy program in which a wedding is a
    major plot line."  I just finished listening to the Amos 'n' Andy 15-minute
    show of April 3, 1939, which presents the wedding ceremony of Andy and Ms.
    Green.  The show is amusing, I think, because it portrays Andy's nervousness
    so well.

    Norm Schickedanz
    Elmhurst, IL

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    Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 18:35:19 -0500
    From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Dale Evans

    Mark,
        There was a Roy Rogers radio program on NBC and Mutual (check Hickerson
    for dates) from 1944 to 1955.  And Dale Evans starred on the show with Roy.
    Don't have exact dates when she was on, but Hickerson details this.
        If you don't have Hickerson and need the specifics, let me know.

    Ted Kneebone / 1528 S. Grant St. / Aberdeen, SD 57401 / 605-226-3344
    tkneebone1@[removed] | OTR:  [removed]
    [removed]  |
    [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:01:50 -0500
    From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Introduction

    Just a brief intro:  I've been an OTR buff for many years but am new to
    cyberspace.    My specialized OTR interests include: (a) Chicago radio
    (voices, programming, station breaks, advertising) 1940-55  and
    (b)Advertising on broadcasts and station breaks 1940-55.
      I appreciate hearing recordings of many "dated" (old-fashioned) broadcasts
    ('40s-'50s) for their immediacy and historical (cultural, social) value and
    nostalgic value.
      Clear and accurate facts about OTR, including correct broadcast dates, are
    important to me.
      As a kid in the '40s and '50s I attended radio broadcasts in Chicago and
    Hollywood studios.
       -- Phil Chavin

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    Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:01:52 -0500
    From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Paul Harvey

      Paul Harvey had a program on Chicago radio as early as 1944.
      In response to "RWL": Harvey's beer sponsor on Chicago radio in the 1950s
    was Edelweiss beer ("Drink Edelweiss/it tastes so [removed]").
      Would anyone know if any recordings of Paul Harvey broadcasts from
    1944--1950s exist?  (I know later ones do.) By the way, neither Mr. Harvey's
    office nor Chuck Schaden, for example, have any recordings from '44--'50s.
      --- Phil Chavin            philchav@[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:01:54 -0500
    From: "Lee, Steve (DEOC)" <slee@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  THE OLD PHILOSOPHER

    "Is that what's bothering you Bunky?, then hold Your head up high, face the
    world and smile, smile, smile!!!" Eddie Lawrence appeared many times on late
    50's & early 60 variety and entertainment programs. There was always slow,
    sob story violin music playing in the background as he related your woes.
    This was followed by the booming "Then hold your head up high [removed]

    Steve Lee

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    Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 01:21:59 -0500
    From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  CAN WE BRING BACK OTR?

                        **  ONE MAN'S OPINION  **

           From what I have seen in radio listings from all over the US, it
    looks like old time radio is slowly arriving - even if it is only one
    station at a time.  Some of the stations are surveying "contemporary" drama
    as a late-night fare and most of the real stuffiis from archives of those
    people who were far-sighted enough to save the old recordings or to
    air-check them or those who's "pack-rat tendencies finally paid off.

           From out of the Nostalgia network has come an outgrowing of radio
    remembrances you'd have to hear to believe!  Such shows as Lum & Abner,
    duffy'd Tavern were great anthology  type series series which starred Jim
    Jordan and others.  Readers of this OTR Digest know this as well as I do.

           As an avid former broadcaster and OTR  "buff", I one who believes
    there is STILL room for vintage radio on the air.  I do hope that today's
    broadcasters in the 21st. Century will treat the Golden Years tenderly.
    Radio is so completive and so varied in it's approaches that we "old-timers"
    have to accept whatever "crumbs" come our way.  But thank God we are eating
    a little bit higher "off the hog" currently.  In its hey-day, network radio
    pretty much directed what the country listened to.  But now it seems to be a
    guerilla action.  OTR Clubs around the country will have to employ a LOT of
    lobbying, most likely if we want to hear our old favorites as a regular
    programming feature on ALL local stations in their specific area.

         Most Nostalgia radio (that is being aired) is by syndicaters today and
    it is pretty tough to [removed] are just too many talk shows that are on
    the market for free.  Insurance companies, drug chains, etc, underwrite a
    number of these and ship them around the country.  If a show comes in
    partially pre-sold, with a commercial or two already contained, you can look
    for a favorable view from the local station. Other wise you have to sell it
    to a station, who has to install enthusiasm into their salesmen, who in turn
    has to go out and  convince someone to buy the program.

         Its a shame that the economy isn't better for the commercial stations,
    but are played to a certain extent on the Public Radio Stations as part of
    their regular programming schedule, financed by underwriting and member
    pledges. Whether or not the commercial stations will feature any OTR
    entertainment is a tough question to answer.  One reason I feel they are
    hesitant, at least here on the East coast is he fact that stations keep
    changing their formats more often than I change my socks.  Just when a
    station starts to gain a certain popularity and good demographics, the
    program director moves out and a new one wants to do things differently and
    you are "off to the races, again!"

         Radio Stations, if they are willing, can do a great service to the
    Golden Age Broadcasts.  Possibly they could even schedule them as "cultural
    programs,: similar to their old "public service" time, which allowed 4 hours
    out of the broadcast day devoted to this time.  All we can do now that we
    are in the new Millennium, hopefully is . . . .wait and [removed]
    [removed] listen!!

                                 - THIRTY -
    Owens Pomeroy

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