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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 398


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	
	 Intro and question
	 Godfrey in the Blue Ridge
	 Normin Corwin program
	 Accurate Suspense dates & spellings
	 (no subject)
	 Last Mesg
	 Re:INFO WANTED
	 Re:SPACE PATROL & TOM CORBETT

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:50:52 -0500
From: alabok@[removed] (Bob Jennings)
To: otr@[removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

        Alan Bell asked about dates for some Suspense shows a few issues
back.  Here is a list from my personal collection:
        A Good Neighbor         1957--03-31
        Alibi       I have no reference to this as a Suspense show
        America's Boyfriend     1957--09-21
        Door of Gold            1957--02-10
        Flood On the Goodwins   1957--07-14
        Leinengen Vs the Ants   either 1957--08-25 or 1957--11-29, I'm not
sure which is the Conrad version, probably the latter tho
        Murder On Mike          1957--07-28
        Noose of Coincidence    1949--04-07
        Peanut Brittle          1957--08-18
        Present Tense           1957--05-26
        The Big Day             1957--05-26
        The Piralta Map         no reference to this as a Suspense show
        Two Came Back           1960--06-05

    So, it looks like most of these are from 1957, with a few odd cuts
tossed in to keep you on your toes.  I believe that Jay Hickerson is
currently selling the most complete log of Suspense in existence at a very
reasonable price.  Anyone seriously interested in this program should
contact Jay about this.

        Concerning the comments on Tom Mix Radio Shows
        I talked with Don Maris this year and last year at the Newark
convention and we swapped a few horror stories (I've been collecting classic
radio since 1961, and I've missed saving some great stuff from oblivian)  He
related that he had tracked down, a few years previously,
the original advertising agency handling the Ralson account during the
hay-day of radio and asked them if they had any of the Tom Mix radio show
transcriptions available.  A VPres wrote back to say that the company had
kept a lot of radio transcription and tape material in a warehouse for a
good many years until very recently, when the downturn in advertising
revenue had led them to finally toss out all the old stuff a scant four or
five months before Don contacted them.  That was his very best horror story,
but not his only one.
        I regaled him with a couple of near misses that I had encountered
over the years, including the files tosseed out by a writer-creator in Ct.
mere days before I was able to make contact.  I'm sure nobody really wants
to hear about this stuff, it just increases our collective frustration.
However, as I reminded Don, more thasn one transcription copy was usually
struck on network shows, so it is possible that other transcription copies
of Tom Mix may still exist somewhat.  Good luck finding them of course.

        The discussion about Sperdvac and their restricted files is one of
the reasons I have never joined that group.  This dark cloud has hovered
over the club for a good many years now and despite claims to the contrary
there are many people who say that such "hidden files" do exist.  What's the
point of a public club offering radio shows to members if all the shows are
not to be made available?

        The best way to collect classic radio is to form a local or regional
club.  Establish club dues at five, ten, fifteen or twenty bucks
a month.  Use the dues each month to purchase tapes from professional radio
dealers.  Your collected dues will give you incredibly increased buying
power.  Circulated the shows round-robin style among the members to listen
to or copy for their own use and return the originals to the central library.
        Charge members a low fee (a buck a reel (six cassettes equal a
reel))to check out material from the library after it has come off rotation.
        Keep it local or regional and you will have all the otr you could
wish for.  This is the guiding principle behind most successful and long
term clubs including the one I am a member of here in New England, the Radio
Collectors of America (established 1970).  There is no cheaper or more
efficient method of obtaining old radio shows.
        ProfessionL dealers are not thrilled with this idea, but it works.
I am a dealer myself but I sell most of my stuff to casual listeners who
want to own five or ten or fifty hours of old time radio but are not
prepared to make the committment to volume that dedicated otr collectors are
usually overjoyed to make.
        Think it over, five friends or more and you"ve got a big handle
toward getting a virtually unlimited supply of programs from professional
dealers who stand behind their products.

        On reel-to-reel stuff.  Another dealer made a comment a few digests
back about fans buying reels at the Newwark show and inserted disparaging
comments about this antique format.  I can only presume he was referring to
me, since I started that convention with almost two eight foot long tables
covered with reels.
        By the end of Thurday I was down to less than one table, and by he
end of Friday there was a very modest display left indeed.  I sold a LOT of
reel-to-reel tape at Newark and I can assure the assmbled masses that the
demand for classic radio on reels has not demished at all.  It is certainly
cheaper and more profitable for a professional dealer to strike cassette
tapes, but there is still a vast demand for reels and I intend to continue
filling that demand as long as the market exists.  I also sell cassettes as
well, but most of my cassette buyers are casual collectors, whereas the reel
buyers are the long-term dedicated otr enthusiasts.

        ----Bob Jenings

        

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 21:09:11 -0500 (EST)
From: donmoore@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Intro and question
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

     I have been reading these digests for several weeks and
thought I'd jump in.  I was born in 1948 which means that I
remember much of the last vestiges of otr.  Television never did it
for me, because I could sit in front of the thing with my nose to
the screen, but, in the words of that old song, "it was only make
believe".

     I remember listening to my grandmother's old Atwater-Kent for
Pepper Young's Family, The Second Mrs. Burton, Ma Perkins Etc.  I
graduated to a Zenith Royal 500 transistor radio and could listen
to the stuff in school.  At lunch time, there was Mary Noble
BackStage Wife and Wendy Warren and the news and The Romance of
Helen Trent and Our Gall Sunday.  I was hooked.

     I remember when Shepherd first came to New York from Philly in
the late 50's and was on for a couple hours on weekends.  In high
school, the call would resound in the halls, "did ya hear what
Shepherd said last night"? a rhetorical question if there was one.
He also did a TV show friday nights on WOR TV for about a half
hour.  Of course for those of us lucky enough to be involved in the
Talking Book program through the Library of Congress, Shepherd
reads "in God we trust, All Others Pay Cash".  An old favorite,
though, is a record "Jean Shepherd and Other Foibles.  It is a
series of short essays featuring amongst others, Peter Pain, and
The Parade.

     Someone asked about the radio program "Unshackled".  It is
broadcast on Family radio, including it's short wave stations
nightly.  It ultimately has a religious theme, regarding how low
one's life can sink until they become "unshackled" by the Good
News.  It's somewhat like new old time radio with a message.  And
they continue to make new shows.

     There was a question here concerning scary shows.  I don't
remember the name of the show, but it was the story of a fog which
came off a lake and swallowed everything wherever it went.  one of
the actors drove into a town and went into the grocery store to get
supplies and the fog finally came there.  It was a pretty scary
story, but I only heard it once and a real long time ago.

     Now, Here's my question.  Does anyone have opinions on quality
cassette recorders for recording otr? thanks.

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 03:47:49 GMT
From: bilj@[removed] (Bill Jaker)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Godfrey in the Blue Ridge
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

As already pointed out, "In the Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia" was sung 
by Arthur Godfrey whenever he hosted the program from his country home.  I 
think the lyric continued,
        "...down on the farm where men are men,
         broadcasting from the chicken pen."
He also once hosted "Arthur Godfrey Time" literally on the air, while 
piloting his plane between Virginia and New York.  His aircraft radio was 
monitored by CBS affiliates along the route and piped up to the studios at 
485 Madison Avenue.  The audio was awful but Godfrey kept the show going, 
even singing a duet with the McGuire Sisters.
By the way, I once actually heard Arthur Godfrey open his program with the 
words "howahyuh howahyuh howahyuh".  It was a deliberate spoof of his 
impersonators.  Since Jimmy Cagney never really spoke the words "You dirty 
[removed]" in a movie and Bogart never said "Play it again, Sam" we should at 
least credit Godfrey with reinforcing his own image.
Well, be the good Lord willing we'll see you tomorrow.

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:39:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Joseph Ward <jward@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Normin Corwin program
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Does anyone know where I can find a program written by Norman Corwin 
titled, The Curse of 589 (or something close to that).  A friend told me 
it was broadcast on NPR some years ago.  Thanks.

Joe Ward

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 20:59:00 EST
From: platecap@[removed] (Bob B)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Accurate Suspense dates & spellings
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Alan Bell was looking for help dating several Suspense shows.  Here's
the information, based on data in Randy Eidemiller and Chris Lembesis'
printed Suspense log:
A Good Neighbor w/ Jeff Chandler  3/31/57
Alibi w/ Everett Sloan should be Sloane 7/7/57
America's Boyfriend w/ Mercedes McCambridge  7/21/57
Door of Gold w/ Myron McCormick  2/10/57
Flood on the Goodwins w/ Herbert Marshall  7/14/57
Leinengen vs. the Ants w/ Willam Conrad (different from Escape)  8/25/57
Murder on Mike w/ Raymond Burr  7/28/57
Noose of Coincidence w/ Ronald Coleman should be Ronald Colman
Peanut Brittle w/ Skip Homier should be Homeier, John Dehner 8/18/57
Present Tense w/ Vincent Price  3/3/57
The Big Day w/ John McIntire  should be McIntyre 5/26/57
The Piralta Map w/ Raymond Burr  Paralta Map  3/1/57
Two Came Back  ?  I believe this is an Escape show -- not Suspense.

All dates have been verified with dates on my masters as well as another
Suspense log.

Somewhere, I have an entire Suspense log in a FileMaker Pro file that I
should find and update Lou's web site with!

It is totally by coincidence that I have been working on these
particular shows this week, so I'm happy to share this data.

Bob Burnham; BRC Productions; [removed] Box 2645; Livonia, MI 48151
voice (313) 277-3798;  fax (313) 277-3095; internet platecap@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 95 10:38:24 -0800
From: Randall Quade <rquade@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: (no subject)
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Subscribe

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 20:44:40 0000
From: Ben Jacoby <benj@[removed]>
To: wdp@[removed]
Subject: Last Mesg
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Here is the Mesg.

Hi OTR Folks,

Just wanted to drop you a note informing you that our pages are now 
online URL: [removed]     

We have a few articals on OTR I am sure your members would enjoy.

You have a great wave. Till [removed] benj

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 01:59:24 -0500
From: celtic@[removed] (Stuart Joseph)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:INFO WANTED
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Greetings, All!

Has anyone used the duplication service from Dr. Bensman at the U. of Memphis? 
Is it better than some of the OTR Clubs' Lending Libraries?
Thanks.
Stuart

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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 02:00:50 -0500
From: celtic@[removed] (Stuart Joseph)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:SPACE PATROL & TOM CORBETT
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>
>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 09:42:06 -0500 (EST)
>From: passage@[removed] (Frank Passage)
>
>SPACE PATROL             - Juvenile?
>
>TOM CORBETT, SPACE CADET - Juvenile?
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These are both radio versions of early 50's TV Shows and they were aimed at
kids. Not to start another debate, but one of them (I don't remember which)
was sponsored by Ralston Purina, and maybe the shows are keeping Tom Mix
company! :-)
I actually don't know who owns the rights to them, but I remember a few
years ago, getting a Tom Corbett and a Space Patrol OTR tape from the library.
I also saw an episode of Tom Corbett on Nightflight years ago.
Also, I d/l'd both a Space Patrol and Tom Corbett intro from the 'Net, I
think it was from Jim Weidener's site, Lou's site, or the Bellingham Museum
site (I don't remember which). 
If it was Jim or Lou perhaps they could tell us where they found the shows
that they used for their sound bites.
Stuart (who would like copies for himself) 

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