Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #241
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 6/19/2003 6:42 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2003 : Issue 241
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  OTR to TV                             [ "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed]; ]
  Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  The Phantom and The Shadow            [ "WALT BAKER" <waltbaker@[removed]; ]
  Reflections                           [ "Barnett, Tom L" <[removed]@lmc ]
  Jack Benny's Ed, keeper of the vault  [ Osborneam@[removed] ]
  Jake and the Fatman                   [ Marlyn Robinson <mrobinson@[removed] ]
  Re: William Conrad, Jake and the Fat  [ Tedshumaker@[removed] ]
  June 19th birthdays                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Seven Nights a Week                   [ "Penne Yingling" <bp_ying@[removed] ]
  Partial "Suspense" shows              [ Richard Carpenter <sinatra@ragingbu ]
  Big Broadcast 1920-50                 [ gad4@[removed] ]
  The Lone Ranger                       [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  Edgar Bergen Question:                [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
  Conrad/Fatman                         [ Jeff Weaver <jweaver@[removed]; ]
  vanity fair                           [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
  partial SUSPENSE episodes             [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Whistler                              [ "Don Frey" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
  June 20th births and deaths           [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Amos 'N Andy                          [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:54:08 -0400
From: "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR to TV

One more on this [removed]

I would love to see a quality presentation of Voyage of the Scarlet Queen,
although possibly this series was already transplanted to television in the
form of the original Star Trek series.

Consider: the ship arrives in a different port every show. The captain and
first mate go ashore, immediately run into trouble, get in a fight or two,
solve the problem, get back on the ship and leave. Troubled, exotic women
who throw themselves at the captain usually end up dead or incarcerated. And
each show begins and ends with the captain's log entry.

Coincidence? Early inspiration? Unfortunately, it's too late to ask Gene
Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek. Voyage of the Scarlet Queen aired when he
was about 22, fresh out of the Navy and just beginning his show business
career. One can't help but wonder!

Doug Leary
Seattle

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:54:26 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history

   From Those Were The Days --
   6/18

   1939 - CBS aired The Adventures of Ellery Queen for the first time.
An interesting twist came near the end of the program when the show was
stopped to allow a panel of experts to guess the solution of the night's
mystery.

   1961 - Gunsmoke was broadcast for the last time on CBS. The show had
been on for nine years. It was called the first adult Western. The star
of Gunsmoke was William Conrad.

    6/19

   1934 - The [removed] Congress established the Federal Communications
Commission (FCC). The task of the commission was to regulate radio
broadcasting.

   Joe

--
Visit my homepage: [removed]

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:54:49 -0400
From: "WALT BAKER" <waltbaker@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  The Phantom and The Shadow

It has been a few digests back; I am just catching-up on my reading.
SOMEone said that the modern audiences enjoyed the recent movies of The
Phantom and The Shadow.
If that were so, why were they complete flops. Both were seen for about two
weeks and then faded into obscurity.
I think - that was because the distributors did not back them with enough
marketing and (in the case of The Shadow) the quality was lousy.
If they had made the Shadow MORE like the radio show OR more like the pulps
and NOT a piece of both - it would have been more acceptable.
[removed] I grew-up in the OTR era and I REALLY DO see the radio shows - both
then and now!!

Walt at 221b-studio

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:55:07 -0400
From: "Barnett, Tom L" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Reflections

I believe that what we listen to as OTR today represents the cream of the
crop from the Golden Age of Radio.

Just as future generations will admire M*A*S*H and Seinfeld as output of our
TV age.

Will people get a 1990's vintage TV to enjoy DVD replay's of Seinfeld?
Sounds funny when you put it like that.

Tom Barnett
OTR Enthusiast

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:55:28 -0400
From: Osborneam@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jack Benny's Ed, keeper of the vault

Laura (JackBenny@[removed]) said:

a lot of people had their own mental versions of the heavy chains,
drawbridges, alligators, Carmichael, and Ed.

Which brings to mind my question, who played Ed?

Arlene Osborne

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:55:55 -0400
From: Marlyn Robinson <mrobinson@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jake and the Fatman

 From our forthcoming website on lawyers on television:

Jake and the Fatman  (CBS, 9/1987-8/92)
Cast:  William Conrad,  Joe Penny, Alan Campbell, Melody Anderson
Summary:  Jason Lochinvar ("J. L.") McCabe (Conrad) begins the series as
[removed] of an unnamed southern California city, then works as a prosecutor in
Honolulu,
and finally as the D. A. of Costa del Mar, another small southern
California city.  His chief investigator is Jake Styles (Penny), aided
later in the series by Neely
Capshaw (Anderson).  The series focused on crime-solving and the friendship
between the crusty elderly attorney and his suave young assistant.

Marlyn Robinson
[removed]

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:56:11 -0400
From: Tedshumaker@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: William Conrad, Jake and the Fatman

William Conrad was also in a tv show called *Jake and the Fatman* He was a
lawer, a DA  I believe.

Ted

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 19:56:27 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  June 19th birthdays

June 19th births:

06-19-1865 - Dame May Whitty - Liverpool, England - d. 5-29-1948
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
06-19-1877 - Charles Coburn - Savannah, GA - d. 8-30-1961
actor: "Roses and Drums"; "Song of Liberty"
06-19-1902 - Guy Lombardo - London, Ontario, Canada - d. 11-5-1977
bandleader: (The Sweetest Music This Side of Heaven) "Lombardoland USA"
06-19-1908 - Mildred Natwick - Baltimore, MD - d. 10-25-1994
actress: "Starring Boris Karloff"
06-19-1910 - Virginia Payne - Cincinnati, OH - d. 2-10-1977
actress: Ma Perkins "Ma Perkins"; Kerry Carter "Carters of Elm Street"
06-19-1912 - Martin Gabel - Philadelphia, PA - d. 5-22-1986
actor: John Wayne "Big Sister"; Gregory Hood "Casebook of Gregory Hood"
06-19-1915 - Pat Buttram - Addison, AL - d. 1-8-1994
actor: (Sage of Winston County) "National Barn Dance"
06-19-1919 - Louis Jourdan - Marseilles, France
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
06-19-1922 - Gwen Davies - NYC
actress: "Adventures of Helen and Mary"; "Let"s Pretend"

June 19th deaths:

10-17-1905 - Jean Arthur - NYC - d. 6-19-1991
actress: "The Ford Theatre"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
11-07-1895 - Jerry Belcher - Austin, TX - d. 6-1962
interviewer: "Vox Pop"; "Our Neighbors"
11-09-1886 - Ed Wynn - Philadelphia, PA,  - d. 6-19-1966
comedian: (the Perfect Fool) Fire Chief "Ed Wynn Show"; King Bubbles "Happy
Island"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Hometown of [removed] Kaltenborn and Spencer Tracy

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:19:59 -0400
From: "Penne Yingling" <bp_ying@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Seven Nights a Week

I have a 1955 magazine "TV Radio Mirror", which lists programming for all
week for all networks.  We all know the big three (ABC, NBC, & CBS), but I
never heard of "MBS".  It was apparently right up there with the other
three, as it listed well-known shows of the time.  Just wondering what the
"M" stood for.   It listed shows, such as:  Gabriel Heatter, Kenny Baker,
Queen for a Day, Break the Bank, Tony Martin's Quiz, Treasure Island, Bobby
Benson, Wild Bill Hickock, Top Secret Files, Sgt Preston of Yukon, Eddie
Fisher, Nick Carter,and The Shadow.   There are two other notes of interest
to me.   One is that there were quite a few 15-minute shows, and another is
that there were not shows listed after 10:30PM.  Guess there were no
late-night talk shows back then.  As for networks going against each other,
at least for this particular year, it seemed  by the programming, that the
networks were not trying to outdo each other.  Well-known shows were rarely
listed at the same time on the different networks.   Just thought this may
be of interest.  ([removed], I really like this list.)

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:44:24 -0400
From: Richard Carpenter <sinatra@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Partial "Suspense" shows

 It looks as if Michael Gwynne may be out of luck in
his quest to hear complete versions of two "suspense"
shows, "The Rescue" and "The Thirteenth Sound."
According to the Web site of a "Suspense" purist, the
following are only known to be available in incomplete
versions:

"1943-02-09 Hangman Won't Wait (1/2 of the show)

1943-02-23 Will You Walk Into My Parlor (1/2 of the
show)

1951-03-15 Strange For A Killer (The dramatic reading
without Incidental Music)

1952-04-19 The Rescue (missing the last 10 minutes)

1952-04-26 The 13th Sound (Missing the first 5
minutes)

...and others without the original openings or
closings."

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:44:42 -0400
From: gad4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Big Broadcast 1920-50

If anyone wants to buy my copy of "Big Broadcast 1920-1950"  By buxton and
owen, let me know.

Price is [removed] plus shipping and handling.

Im out of work so Im trying to generate some revenue.

Take care,

George

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:44:57 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Lone Ranger

Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:26:41 -0400
From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];

Steven Kallis Jr. raises an interesting point of speculation when he says
that The Lone Ranger might work for modern audiences once again.  I think
that the chief difficulty with the program today would be the treatment of
Tonto as a real character.

I believe it's been pointed out here before that prior to the end of World
War II, Tonto and the
Lone Ranger called each other Kemosabe.  It was only later that Kemo Sabe was
only
something that Tonto called the LR.  They also used to greet each other with
"Tayee
Kemosabe."

A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:45:17 -0400
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Edgar Bergen Question:

I was too young to have heard Edgar Bergen on radio, but I did see him and
his characters on TV sometimes.
We also watched Jerry Mahoney (sp?) and his characters on Saturday
mornings. Jerry was a much better ventriloquist, since Bergen's lips always
moved.
[removed] what made Bergen & McCarthy, etc. so popular on radio, and in movies,
and on TV?
By the way, did Bergen have a TV show of his own?

Herb Harrison

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:45:31 -0400
From: Jeff Weaver <jweaver@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Conrad/Fatman

William Conrad played Nero Wolfe in a short-lived series in 1981. I
believe there are 13 episodes.

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 10:45:42 -0400
From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  vanity fair

A few years ago there was a series of radio shows, of which Vanity Fair
was one, that unfortunately didn't do very well.  I don't know if the
couple next door or Ethel and albert or The Little Things was on with it.
 Does anybody collect that Vanity Fair show?  Does anybody have any
information about it?  Kurt

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:17:17 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  partial SUSPENSE episodes

Michael Gwynne asked:

     I noticed in my Suspense collection, one I thought almost complete,
that
there are two particular episodes from 1951 that are weirdly incomplete as
well as back-to-back.
     I mean it seems they are cut off files rather than missing segments and
so make me think I have a defective show.
     I refer to the April 19th show called, "The Rescue" with James Stewart
and the April 26th called, "The Thirteenth Sound" with Anne Baxter.
     Is this the state of the art as it stands today or am I just listening
to an outdated file?

Sadly, they are not cut off - they are the only existing segments of those
shows.
Reason is because a disc was found some time ago and on one side of the disc
was the first half of "The Rescue" and on the other side was the second half
of "The Thirteenth Sound."
Now this has always puzzled me - and I am sure there is some logic to it,
but why were many programs recorded on two separate transcription discs ?  I
have always assumed that during the broadcasts (broadcast live) the person
involved in recording the show always paused half-way through the show,
lifted the needle on one recording machine and lowered the needle on the
second machine to keep the recording running smoothly.  Else we'd be missing
a few seconds in the center of many recordings cause of the time involved to
flip the disc.

Partial episodes is not unfamiliar.  There are other examples of first
half/second half of two different shows in circulation - some MURDER AT
MIDNIGHT episodes, two 1951 broadcasts of INNER SANCTUM, etc.
Martin Grams, Jr.

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 13:55:37 -0400
From: "Don  Frey" <alanladdsr@[removed];
To: "otr message" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Whistler

I have a date problem with this great series. The show "Brief Pause for
Murder."
I have 3 copies of the show but two dates. One, with Chicago's Fahey Flynn
in the lead is dated 9/ 8/46 and I am satisfied with that date. The other
two are both dated
9/11/49 but one has Joe Kearns and the other Frank Nelson. Both have the
commercials but the Nelson one also has the jingle. I have not found a third
broadcast date for the show in available logs.  Any information helpful.
Thanks.
Don Frey

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:23:58 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  June 20th births and deaths

June 20th births:

06-20-1890 - Effie Palmer - Albany, NY - d. 8-19-1942
actress: Jean Evans "Lonely Woman"; Dodie Black "Scattergood Baines"
06-20-1897 - Bob Howard - W. Newton, MA - d. 12-4-1986
pianist-singer: "Calsodent Presents Bob Howard"; "Sing It Again"
06-20-1899 - Helen Traubel - St. Louis, MO - d. 7-28-1972
singer: "Metropolitan Opera"; "Telephone Hour"; "Jimmy Durante Show"
06-20-1904 - Matt Crowley - d. 3-10-1983
actor: Mark Trail "Mark Trail"; Buck Rogers "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century"
06-20-1909 - Errol Flynn - Hobart, Tasmania - d. 10-14-1959
actor: Christopher Casanova "Modern Adventures of Casanova"; "Lux Radio
Theatre"
06-20-1924 - Chet Atkins - Luttrell, TX - d. 6-30-2001
guitarist: "Boone County Neighbors"; "Grand Ole Opry"

June 20th deaths:

05-12-1901 - Whitey "Duke" Ford - De Soto, MO - d. 6-20-1986
comedian: (Duke of Paducah) "Grand Ole Opry"; "Plantation Party"
05-15-1904 - Clifton Fadiman - Brooklyn, NY - d. 6-20-1999
emcee: "Information Please"; "Conversation"; "RCA Magic Key"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Hometown of [removed] Kaltenborn and Spencer Tracy

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 20:42:18 -0400
From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Amos 'N Andy

The New York Daily News ran a feature on the television version of Amos 'N
Andy in today's edition.

Here's the link:
[removed] .

Interestingly, radio reporter David Hinckley, who didn't write this piece,
called me looking for a source for a column on the radio show he is
preparing.  Naturally, I sent him to Elizabeth.

So there may be more on this subject coming.

Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]

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