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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2007 : Issue 75
A Part of the [removed]!
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
anne of the airlines [ Grams46@[removed] ]
About those personal library transfe [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
in search of a phone booth [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
Libraries and OTR [ wayne_johnson@[removed] ]
donating your stuff to institutions [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
Frances Langford, and The Three Stoo [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
Helpful locations [ "Barbara Harmon" <jimharmonotr@char ]
Benny/Allen feud records [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
Dan Reid question [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
"Only the names have been [removed] [ "Stephen Davies" <SDavies@[removed] ]
reel to reel boxes [ "EDWARD CARR" <edcarr@[removed]; ]
Remembering Roger Hill [ jim taylor <bettylouson@[removed]; ]
Mr. President and correct episode Ti [ jim taylor <bettylouson@[removed]; ]
Burns and Allen log [ Andrew Steinberg <otrdig2@[removed] ]
Superman clothes [ "erest@[removed]" <erest@verizon. ]
OUR "Juggie" [ Wich2@[removed] ]
Old Radio Remembered in South Dakota [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
WVRO Playhouse [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
OTR Revival in Payson, AZ [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
Attention: OTR teachers [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
donating your OTRadio collection to [ FabFicBks@[removed] ]
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:45:14 -0500
From: Grams46@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: anne of the airlines
when was "anne of the airlines" first aired?
and who was in the cast?
thanks and peace from kathy
support our troops; end the war
john 3:16
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:15:17 -0500
From: <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: About those personal library transferrals
When I read what Martin Grams posted about personal library transferrals, I
sent the following to him:
I wrote the fellow who originally posted the inquiry about value to put on
his submission to a university last week and told him of my own
observations. Our splendid local public library system appears to keep
nothing "forever." After a few years, literal carloads (I'm talking trains
here) turn up at the annual sale they conduct at a local church they take
over for about three days. No matter how well intended, and no matter what
staff may say, the reality is that such organizations are much more eager to
have 50 cents for a 10-year-old book in order to apply it to what's just now
being released. Some works, I find, don't seem to last five years on the
shelves. You gave the man (and others) very good cautionary advice.
Jim Cox
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:42:40 -0500
From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: in search of a phone booth
I don't think this had anything to do with kids' interest in science
(though, in the wake of Sputnik, the school systems were pushing
science pretty heavily).
Sputnik and the Cold War pushed math and basic physics along, but not
interest in engineering and industrial processes. These were already
well-embedded in the consciousness and the curriculum, and new wonders were
attracting interest from the general public well before 1957.
This isn't science, it's comic book pseudo-
science. It's in the same league with the explanation of Superman's
non-strength powers that first appeared sometime in the 1960s, to the
effect that it's caused by radiation from our yellow sun (Krypton had
a red sun).
Of course. But the explanation was detailed and as void of magic as the
plot could bear. It's been said that Superman had the powers of God, but
was all based on rational (albeit fictional) facts.
If this in any way represented actual advances in fiber science, it
was only a coincidence.
Except for the usual clueless kid in the class, who's probably an investment
banker somewhere by now, nobody ever thought that the science in Superman or
on TV was real. Yet the connection was there: Superman's powers were
limited, as were ours, yet there were wonders which could be performed
without blessings from supernatural forces.
M Kinsler
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:43:15 -0500
From: wayne_johnson@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Libraries and OTR
My opinion is to NEVER give anything to a college library. Might as well
throw them into the furnace. My example would be the University of Georgia
in Athens, GA. They are home and archive to the Peabody Award submissions.
I have been in the archive and have seen the thousands of submissions
including the thousands of discs from radio years gone by. I have offered to
have them converted to an acceptable present day format at my expense so that
I could listen to them only to be told of "copy right" problems and fears.
(By the way, when I saw them they were in boxes on shelves ... in the
basement.)
Even when presented with written and notarized permission from the copy right
owners, they would not let the recodings out of the "vault" nor anyone in. I
grant you that they are the guardians and can do as they see fit; they owe me
nothing. But if you ever want something to see the light of day again then
my opinion is to not give it to a university ... based solely on personal
experience.
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:45:50 -0500
From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: donating your stuff to institutions
One University that received OTR-related scripts and
materials have kept the collection unavailable for library patrons for more
than 15 years and even e-mails and letters have not gotten the staff to
catalog, inventory or make their collection available to the public yet.
(Their excuse is they don't have the staff or funding to have it cataloged
and I am sure this excuse is used over and over by other libraries with the
same issues, even when I myself volunteer to catalog and inventory their
holdings for free.)
I cannot adequately emphasize the truth and importance of this. In general,
you can safely assume that there are no big institutions which really want
your collection. If you have to approach them, don't.
The average library or museum, whatever their literature may claim, is far
more concerned with
the availability of shelf space and their budget, both of which will be
diminished when you bring in your stuff. If you wish to donate enough money
to add a wing to house it, and money to catalog it, there might be some
interest, but I'm sorry to say that by about 1980 age of the benevolent
museum, university or library was over for good. Individually, the curators
and librarians are good guys, and scholars. But in the aggregate, with
their board of governors and a layer of some of the least-tasteful
bureaucrats this side of the gaming industry, they are not at all pleasant
to deal with, nor necessarily honest in their affairs.
I once
donated books to a University library and weeks later I was at their annual
book sale and saw my own books on the sale shelf for $[removed] and $[removed] prices.
I did buy them back and learned this horrible fact. Not saying the
University you are donating will do this to your reels, but it won't hurt to
at least ask and confirm that they won't sell the reels after you donate
them and get the answer from a first-hand source that handles such matters.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
That's not adequate. I simply wouldn't trust them--any of them. I've
worked for universities as a professor and a museum as a general
cleaner-upper, and I feel confident in telling you that once the stuff is
theirs, it's theirs, and they can 'de-acquisit,' if that's the word I want,
anything they feel like. Some gets de-aquisited right into the
dumpster--that's what happens to books that don't sell during the book sale.
No. Take your collection and sell it--part it out if you can't sell it in
one piece; it's less of a tragedy to have it broken up (the buyers will find
each other eventually) than it is to have it in the back shelf of a storage
room for eternity, or until someone needs the room to store Christmas
decorations.
Anyone who cares enough about OTR materials to pay for them will take care
of them, and very likely show them off to others, which is what you really
want.
M Kinsler
512 E Mulberry St. Lancaster, Ohio USA 43130 740-687-6368 740-503-1973
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:46:13 -0500
From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Frances Langford, and The Three Stooges
'Just picking up on an old thread:
One of the famous pieces of "lost" Stooges material is their appearance
on the 1950s FRANCES LANGFORD SHOW, on television.
The extensive appearance was unique, in that it also generated a TON of
Stooges photo material, that has been appearing in mags, books, and the
like, for ages.
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:46:36 -0500
From: "Barbara Harmon" <jimharmonotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Helpful locations
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Cassette storage cases can be easily found at all stores regularly stocking
buggy whips and typewriter ribbons.
--JIM HARMON
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:47:32 -0500
From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Benny/Allen feud records
Tom Barnett inquired about a 2 LP set that presented
highlights of the Jack Benny/Fred Allen feud (and
which is narrated by Jack Benny).
I don't know if it's available on CD, but I own the
double cassettes. You might keep an eye out for them
at music stores (usually in "spoken word" sections, if
they don't have a place for OTR) or at OTR
conventions' dealers' tables. I suspect it would be
easier to make a CD backup from tapes than it would be
to do so from records.
But then, for all I know, maybe the set was released
on CD.
Rick
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:47:47 -0500
From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Dan Reid question
Can anyone tell me when the character of Dan Reid (the
Lone Ranger's nephew) first appeared on _The Lone
Ranger_?
Rick
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:47:59 -0500
From: "Stephen Davies" <SDavies@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Only the names have been [removed]"
How accurate are the Dragnet stories? If I looked up the dates of crimes
and trials (as mentioned in the scripts) over a range of years, would I be
likely to find newspaper reports of the actual crimes in [removed]
Stephen D
Calgary
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:48:14 -0500
From: "EDWARD CARR" <edcarr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: reel to reel boxes
good afternoon /evening
i need a supply of 7in reel to reel boxes as mine are falling apart and i am
sending them across country.
is there anyone on this list who can suggest a place to
buy them?
the last time i pd .25cents ea.
thanks
edcarr@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:51:07 -0500
From: jim taylor <bettylouson@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Remembering Roger Hill
March 5, 2007
Dear Old Time Radio Digest Readers:
I was sorry to learn from Barbra's posting about the
death of Roger Hill.
Roger had a wonderful store Nothings New. I had the
privilege of visiting the store in San Bruno, CA in
December 1998.
He helped me find one of my parents favorite movies
and for the next seven years, he saved me many hours
of stress at Christmas when I did my shopping because
of his vast collection of old movies old television
programs and old time radio programs, I was able to
find Christmas presents for my family and friends with
out a hitch.
For several years, Roger read the Sperdvac Radio Gram
on tape for the seeing impaired. Roger as well as all
of the other readers of the recorded addition of the
Radio Gram do it with out pay and for this we who read
the recorded addition or did addition are grateful.
I will miss Roger Hill, he enriched me.
Jim Taylor
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:51:54 -0500
From: jim taylor <bettylouson@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Mr. President and correct episode Titles
March 5, 2007
Dear Old Time Radio Digest Readers:
Has any one written a definitive log for the series
Mr. President?
By this I mean the correct episode titles without
revealing the name of the president. Most catalogs
list the president's
name; this defeats the premise of the program.
If such a log exists please let me know.
Jim Taylor
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:52:34 -0500
From: Andrew Steinberg <otrdig2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Burns and Allen log
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There is an excellent radio log for Burns and Allen in the book George Burns
and Gracie Allen: A Bio-Bibliography (Bio-Bibliographies in the Performing
Arts) by Cynthia Clements and Sandra Weber (Hardcover - Aug 30, 1996). It is
available for about $82 on [removed]
If you are not able to get a copy of the book, and you have any questions
about dating Burns and Allen shows, I can try to help using the information
from this book.
Andrew
OTR MP3 Corrections
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:33:12 -0500
From: "erest@[removed]" <erest@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Superman clothes
I've been recently reading the Superman strips from the daily
newspapers. These started in 1939 just before the radio program began
in 40. One had Clark Kent leave the newspaper office and go to his
apartment so he change to the Superman outfit! Seems he also would use
a closet wherever he happened to be and leave them and return later to
change back to Clark Kent.
Rob
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:12:33 -0500
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OUR "Juggie"
From: LSMFTnolonger@[removed]
Scoop ... features an annoucement by Archie Comics about the
death of Hal Stone
Thanks for that heads up, Gregory.
Though it's little remembered outside Classic Era Radio circles today, the
ARCHIE network show had a long run; as with Superman, it - and hence, Hal's
"Juggie" - likely was a big influence on the iconic characters' developments
in
their formative years.
-Craig Wichman
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:12:49 -0500
From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Old Radio Remembered in South Dakota
An article from the Argus leader about an OTR nostalgia show to benefit
alzheimer's research:
[removed]
Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:32:38 -0500
From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: WVRO Playhouse
It's been a while since anyone mentioned that the WRVO Playhouse in Syracuse
plays three-four hours of OTR every night. While it's almost impossible to
keep up, even with the generous advance posting of the schedule
([removed]), the hosts deserve credit for not only
playing familiar favorites like Suspense, Gunsmoke, Jack Benny and Escape
but also digging up rarities.
This month, I just noticed the show is featuring 20 episodes of a 1973 NPR
revival of Peg Lynch's Ethel and Albert.
It also recently featured a Sears Radio Theater show from 1979 that was Jim
Jordan's last radio performance.
I'm not sure if it's on purpose, but it does seem to play a lot of shows
featuring actors who have graced OTR conventions over the years, even
tempting the wrath of Himon Brown by playing CBS Radio Mystery Theater.
They do use AFRS or otherwise de-commercialed versions of shows but many are
complete.
With the exeption of hometown favorite Max Schmid's Golden Age of Radio,
it's my favorite OTR series and a place where I can go almost every night to
find something interesting.
Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:32:55 -0500
From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Revival in Payson, AZ
This article spotlights an attempt to revive an old time radio type program
in Payson, Arizona.
[removed]
Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:38:40 -0500
From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Attention: OTR teachers
The Metro Washington OTR Club was contacted by Suzi Zimmerman, a
teacher in Plano, TX, who was reading articles on our web site
regarding radio production. A published author of three books and a
full time teacher, Zimmerman is working on a fourth book which has a
section on non-traditional theatre for middle and high school students.
This will include radio production.
Zimmerman is interested in hearing from other teachers who have taught
radio production in schools and who may be able to share their
experiences with her. You may contact her off-list at
<[removed]@[removed];
Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL
<[removed]>
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 21:52:48 -0500
From: FabFicBks@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: donating your OTRadio collection to a
university or library
Hi;
I would like to echo the comments made by Martin Grimes concerning
donations to universities and libraries. In far more cases that you would
believe
the universities or libraries will not hold donations which do not directly
and specifically fit in with their public mission. Often they will only hold
this material a short period of time, often less than a year, and then sell
it off. The best libraries will make an attempt to move the material to
another institution which does specialize in the type of stuff which has been
donated, but most do not, and then the stuff winds up in fund raising
auctions
or book sales.
In addition to that, most institutions do not keep duplicate material.
So, if you happen to find a university/library which does have an Old Time
Radio or Popular Culture section, if the stuff you donate happens to
duplicate
material already in their files, they will sell off the duplicates, either
directly, or by working thru a third party who either buys the material
outright, or who will pay the institution a set percentage of whatever the
third
party dealer can realize out of the sale. These are sad but true facts that
are
well known to those of us who are collectors of science fiction literature,
comics, pulp magazines or other forms of printed popular culture literature,
but I guess the news hasn't gotten round the OTRadio community yet.
I am personally acquainted with several institutions in my area (central
new England) who received donations of OTRadio tapes and books and dumped
them even after signing a agreement with the donors agreeing to set up
special
collections or study programs devoted to old time radio. In two cases
libraries contacted me, because they knew I had a book store specializing in
popular culture items, to buy the collections in bulk because they didn't
even want
to bother spreading the stuff out in a book sale.
Perhaps the most famous case of this kind involves the situation when
Fred Allen donated his collection of tapes, scripts, notes and papers to the
Boston Public Library, which sat on his collection for decades without doing
anything at all with it, even tho Allen left the library money to handle the
material and incorporate it into their system. The whole collection was
stacked in an unheated closet, and only after The Radio Collectors of
America, the
New England based radio club of which I am a member, harassed and browbeat
the library officials was this material finally taken out of storage,
cataloged
and made semi-available to the public on a highly restricted basis.
My suggestion is that you try to dispose of your collection to other
radio collectors first and foremost. These are the people who actually care
about the material. If you can't sell the stuff to recoup a part of your
original investment, then give it away to people who actually care about the
material. Many clubs (including the Radio Collectors of America) will accept
donations and see that the material is made available to members and other
interested parties. Give stuff to relatives, especially younger people who
might be
potentially interested. I sell OTRadio tapes at science fiction conventions
and comic shows and I have always found that young people, particularly
people in their early 20s are fascinated by the entire concept of OTRadio.
If
that doesn't do the job, give tapes to your local senior center or retirement
home. These folks know what old radio was and they would appreciate hearing
some of their old favorites again. You might also consider donating material
to your church for their rummage sale. At least the money raised will go to
a charity that you know and support yourself, rather than some faceless
institution which doesn't know you or care anything about your hobby or your
interests.
---Bob Jennings
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