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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2004 : Issue 60
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Recalcitrant Vender Follow-up and ot [ "John Abbott" <mraastro@[removed] ]
Jack Benny's song? [ danhughes@[removed] ]
Cod Liver Oil (and Don Knotts) [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
2-16 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Re: celery tonic etc. [ "Candy Jens" <candyj@[removed]; ]
Re: WBBR/White Network [ Udmacon@[removed] ]
the old oil [ benohmart@[removed] ]
Trains, Planes, .... [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
Re: Trains [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
cod liver oil [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
Trains, Planes, Buses [ "John Eccles, Jr." <jeccles@earthli ]
Mason Adams [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
Train shows [ "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed]; ]
Shows featuring Airplanes [ "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed]; ]
COD LIVER OIL YET AGAIN [ SEE n <voxpop@[removed]; ]
Re: Trains, planes & buses [ Kcpymurphy@[removed] ]
Charlie Chan [ "Austotr" <austotr@[removed]; ]
Duke Ellington [ "David Malvin" <david_malvin@hotmai ]
[removed] [ "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed] ]
Chicago OTR store [ "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed] ]
Dec. 7, 1941 Broadcasts [ otrdude@[removed] ]
Larry Gelbart - Writer To The Stars [ "Phil Watson" <philwats@[removed] ]
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:26:54 -0500
From: "John Abbott" <mraastro@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Recalcitrant Vender Follow-up and other
things
Well, after my quest on how to get a vender to deliver, I was contacted by
the "Mystery Vendor" who promised to re-mail the CDs I had ordered this
Monday, 2/16/04. I guess we can blame the problem of Cliffy the mailman, as
the orginals were supposedly mailed back in August. So you can guess who
will be sitting waiting for the mailman later this week. I will keep y'all
posted.
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Now for something completely different.
To help while away the time, I thought I might share my intense liking for
the "Yours Truly Johnny Dollar" program by starting the "YTJD Quiz". This
will be the first of a series of trivia questions about the character Johnny
Dollar - that is if it gets by Charlie!!
The questions will all relate to information contained in an episode of YTJD
(Bob Bailey and earlier for the time beings).
So for question number 1:
What was Johnny Dollar's phone number?
If you think you know, send me an email. I will post the answer around the
end of the month.
(And the GRAND PRIZE is the undying envy of your OTR buddies and budettes!)
Yours Truly,
John C. Abbott
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:46:52 -0500
From: danhughes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jack Benny's song?
Derek mentions Jack Benny's humble Waukegan [removed] should be
his humble Chicago birth.
Just listened to the JB episode where Danny Kaye, Frank Sinatra, Groucho
Marx, and George Burns do a riotously funny version of Jack's song If I
Say I Beg Your Pardon. Does anyone know if Jack himself actually wrote
that song?
---Dan
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:47:36 -0500
From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Cod Liver Oil (and Don Knotts)
Douglas Gonnelly of Albany, NY asks if anyone knows why cod liver oil
was used.
In the Olden Days, cod liver oil (which tasted as bad as it smelled)
was given regularly to children to lubricate their interior plumbing
and "promote regularity." Adults took it for the same reason, and
several other brand laxatives contained significant amounts of this
substance. It may have been part of a self-fulling prophesy, since even
healthy folks made it part of their routine, and since they were not
constipated, they falsely attributed it to their consumption of cod
liver oil.
Bob Novak, in the early 1990s, recalled a story from the B-Bar-B
Riders, Bobby Benson radio show on Mutual that he directed in the
Fifties. A relatively young Don Knotts, who was playing the old geezer
Windy Wales on this series, was known to the cast and crew as a
confirmed hypochondriac and Knotts consumed as many pills, vitamins,
and medical remedies as he could afford. After each evening episode,
Knotts took the subway out of Manhattan with the announcer, Carl
Warren. One evening, enroute to the train, Knotts spotted a bargain in
a drug store window: half gallon jars of cod liver oil for a very low
price. He dashed in and bought a jar and then caught up with Warren as
the subway train pulled out. Ten minutes out of NYC, a fellow passenger
in the crowded car jostled Knotts and the cod liver oil jar crashed to
the floor, breaking and spreading its foul contents. All the passengers
moved quickly away from Knotts and Warren and then evacuated to other
cars at the next stop. Warren stayed with Knotts for one more stop and
then he moved to the next car also. Don, looking as morose as any
human being could, rode home in an empty car, with the cod liver oil
fumes chasing off any new passengers that tried to board.
Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:47:44 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 2-16 births/deaths
February 16th births
President's Day
02-16-1895 - Louie Calhern - NYC - d. 5-12-1956
actor: "Radio Reader's Digest"
02-16-1901 - Chester Morris - NYC - d. 9-11-1979
actor: Boston Blackie "Boston Blackie"; Great Merlini "Great Merlini"
02-16-1903 - Edgar Bergen - Chicago, IL - d. 9-30-1978
ventriloquist: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
02-16-1903 - Norman Shelley - d. 8-22-1980
actor: John H. Watson "Corner In Crime, Saturday Night Theatre"
02-16-1909 - Jeffrey Lynn - Auburn, MA - d. 11-24-1995
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Hallmark Playhouse:' "MGM Theatre of the Air"
02-16-1910 - Del Sharbutt - Ft. Worth, TX - d. 4-26-2002
announcer: "Hobby Lobby"; "Jack Benny Program"; "Victory Theatre"
02-16-1914 - Jimmy Wakely - Mineola, AR - d. 9-23-1982
country singer: "All-Star Western Theatre"; "Hollywood Barn Dance"
02-16-1918 - Patty Andrews - Minneapolis, MN
singer (Andrews Sisters) "Glenn Miller Orchestra"; "Andrews Sisters Revue"
02-16-1932 - Gretchen Wyler - Bartlesville, OK
singer-actress: "Sounds of Freedom"
February 16th deaths
02-09-1912 - Bob Hannon - Chicago, IL - d. 2-16-1993
singer: "American Melody Hour"; "Waltz Time"
03-18-1911 - Smiley Burnette - Summum, IL - d. 2-16-1967
host, comedian: "Smiley Burnette Show"; "Hollywood Hotel"
04-12-1914 - Ken Williams - Canada - d. 2-16-1984
actor: Brian Wells "David Harum"
05-04-1909 - Howard Da Silva - Cleveland, OH - d. 2-16-1986
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Forecast"; "Suspense"
07-17-1905 - William Gargan - Brooklyn, NY - d. 2-16-1979
actor: Martin Kane "Martin Kane, Private Eye"; Barrie Craig "Barrie Craig,
Private Investigator"
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:04:48 -0500
From: "Candy Jens" <candyj@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: celery tonic etc.
First, Phil mentions he was buying two bottles of "celery tonic."
<snip>
The other item mentioned in the show was "cod liver oil." I have no idea
what this was used for.
Celery tonic was a non-carbonated soft drink (maybe still available?). Cod
liver is just what it says, and tastes that bad, too. It contains vitamins,
and was a general tonic mothers of the 40s and 50s subjected their kids to
until vitamin capsules were widely available.
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:05:20 -0500
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: WBBR/White Network
Elizabeth says, re: the Jehovah's Witnesses radio network:
The key station was WBBR, Brooklyn/Rossville NY, and it operated only once
a [removed]
Growing up in New York City in the 1950s I recall that WBBR shared time with
WEVD. WBBR broadcast religious programming daily from 4 to 8 [removed] Later, when
the Witnesses sold it, it became WPOW, with Ethnic programming.
Toady the WBBR call is back as the Bloomburg business station.
(at the same time WBNX shared time with WAWZ in Zarapath NJ; WOV--later
WADO--shared time with WHBI in Newark NJ)
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:05:52 -0500
From: benohmart@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: the old oil
I bought a bottle of cod liver oil pills, as I heard a BBC Radio show mention
recently that
cod liver oil is good for the brain. Except when I look at the label, I
notice that all that's
listed are vitamins A and D. Either I got the wrong stuff (a supplement) or I
can get all of
the oil's properties in a multi-vitamin.
And now - back to [removed]
Ben
--
Voice of The Haunted Mansion, Boris
Badenov, The Pillsbury Doughboy & more
[removed] - the official biography
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:06:00 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Trains, Planes, ....
Some shows on trains, etc., following Ted Kneebone's listing,
Grand Central Station (well, the opening)
Airplanes --
Captain Midnight
Sky King
I'll Fly Anything
Air Adventures of Jimmie Allen
Hop Harrigan
Howie Wing
Boats and Ships
Jack Armstrong (certainly the Sulu Sea adventures)
Bold Venture
Cars
The Green Hornet
Dog Sleds
Challenge of the Yukon
Horse-Drawn Carriages, Cabs, etc
Sherlock Holmes
The Count of Monte Cristo.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:06:11 -0500
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Trains
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Ted Kneebone asked about OTR Train shows. One of my favorites is the 1934
syndicated serial, 'The Green Valley Line'
Irene
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:06:45 -0500
From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: cod liver oil
I think it's important to realize that when radio was new, medical science
was still pretty primitive. Rural children suffered from some truly horrid
diseases that nobody realized were due to vitamin deficiencies. Everyone
was subject to death from infections: the first antibiotics weren't
developed until the 1930's: a simple ear infection could easily develop into
a general infection that would kill you in a few weeks. No treatments for
heart disease, cancer, or kidney disease were available. The only drugs
that actually did much of anything were opiates, digitalis, quinine, various
laxatives, alcohol, coca derivatives, and antiseptics. Understanding of
vitamins and nutrition in general was imperfect and a fair portion of the
populace, urban and rural, still had very limited diets.
Thus it's not unreasonable that parents dosed their children with whatever
supplements seemed to do at least a small amount of good and hoped that
Divine Providence would take care of the rest.
Mark Kinsler
512 E Mulberry St. Lancaster, Ohio USA 43130 740-687-6368
[removed]~mkinsler1
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:06:53 -0500
From: "John Eccles, Jr." <jeccles@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Trains, Planes, Buses
Putting my two cents in to this list I have to add:
//Trains//
Suspense: "Moment of Darkness" with Peter Lorre
The Shadow: "The Giant of Madras" with Bill Johnstone
//Cars//
Suspense: "Back Seat Driver" with Fibber McGee & Molly (a classic in my
opinion)
//Bus//
Suspense: "Return Trip" with Elliott Lewis (great performance by Mr. Lewis
who I had the pleasure of meeting several times at FOTR)
I am sure others will chime in, but these ones popped into my mind almost
without thinking (which is how I do most things).
John Eccles, Jr.
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:07:01 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Mason Adams
> or any other tidbits about Mr. Adams' career?
In the fifties, Mason Adams could be heard on a number of the SF episodes
on various series.
Dimension X
Universe - 11/26/50
X Minus One
Surface Tension 8/28/56
Caretaker 1/30/57
Exploring Tomorrow
Happiness Effect
Mimic
Venus Diamond Mountain
Cold Equations
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:18:26 -0500
From: "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Train shows
Green Valley Line -- an entire series about railroading!
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:18:46 -0500
From: "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Shows featuring Airplanes
Ann of the Airlanes
Air Adventures of Jimmy Allen
Air Adventures of Biggles
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:48:23 -0500
From: SEE n <voxpop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: COD LIVER OIL YET AGAIN
My mother was not a sadist so i never had to take codliver [removed] the
only time i wear glasses is when i want to see
chet norris
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:51:45 -0500
From: Kcpymurphy@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Trains, planes & buses
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In the transportation mode, how about:
Suspense = Wreck of the Old 97
Cars = Back Seat Driver
Boats: Lux Radio Theater = African Queen, Campbell Playhouse = Mutiny On the
Bounty
Cordially, kacie
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:45:38 -0500
From: "Austotr" <austotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Charlie Chan
In Digest #59 Ed Carr asks about 2 episodes of Australian Charlie Chan. (The
Adventures of Charlie Chan)
Ed, both those episodes are in circulation. The mp3 versions were amoungst
the first Australian OTR episodes I found. They end with the Announcer
saying that they are a Grace Gibson Production. Indeed they were, the
series were broadcast in Melbourne on 3KZ on the 16th October 1950. The
episodes you list are episodes 11 and 12 respectively. A calendar check
will give you the broadcast dates.
Generally we do not date Australian episodes based on the broadcast dates.
Most Australian collectors are based in Melbourne and so is most of the data
we use for our database, but often as is the case with Grace Gibson, it is
broadcast in Sydney several days ahead of Melbourne. I assume that other
Melbourne based production houses would have done the reverse. So we tend
to list the year of release at this present time.
The following information is in the Screensound database:
"Summary: Serial thriller about the adventures of the Chinese Detective
Charlie Chan. Contributors: Earl Derr Biggers (AUT), Reg Johnston (PDR).
Cast: William Rees (Charlie Chan), Rodney Jacobs (Number One son). Label:
Grace Gibson Episode duration: 30 mins Episodes produced: 52 Broadcast
details: 1950s- ; Monday on 3KZ at [removed] pm. Notes: Produced from American
scripts adapted for Australian audiences. A previous series about Charlie
Chan was broadcast from about 1936 with Warner Oland as Charlie Chan. Main
theme music: Charlie Chan Themes (Wilbur Sampson) ARC disc Matrix no: M
24615"
I hope this helps you.
Ian Grieve
Moderator
Australian Old Time Radio Group
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:46:00 -0500
From: "David Malvin" <david_malvin@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Duke Ellington
In 1941, Duke Ellington's band was featured on several broadcasts from Casa
Manana, a jazz club in Culver City, California that was formerly known as
Frank Sebastian's "Cotton Club." If anyone knows whether or not recordings
from these dates exist, I am very interested in discovering where I might
hear them.
David Malvin
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:38:26 -0500
From: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: [removed]
I haven't seen anyone mention it yet, but there is always my least favorite
submarie show: the terrible Family Theatre version of 20,000 Leagues Under
the Sea.
-chris holm
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:38:52 -0500
From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Chicago OTR store
I've heard rumors that Metro Golden Memories, the long-established store
selling OTR tapes and discs, etc., on the northwest side of Chicago, last
known address on Addision St. near Central Ave., has gone out of business --
permanently, apparently.
Would any Digester know definitely whether or not that rumor is true?
Any details?
(I haven't been able to find this info on Google searches.) Thanks.
-- Phil C.
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:04:41 -0500
From: otrdude@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Dec. 7, 1941 Broadcasts
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Does anyone have a chronological listing of the radio shows that were
broadcast that infamous day?
For instance:
2:30 PM Univ. of Chicago Roundtable
3:00 PM Chats About Dogs
Andrew
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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:08:13 -0500
From: "Phil Watson" <philwats@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Larry Gelbart - Writer To The Stars
On Thursday 19th, BBC Radio 4 is airing a tribute to Larry Gelbart. The
blurb says "From writing gags for Bob Hope to creating the tragi-comedy
world of MASH, Larry Gelbart has kept us laughing for years. Mark Lawson
looks back at the long career of one of Hollywood's finest writers. With
contributions from Mel Brooks, Barry Levinson and Sid Caesar." It's
available on the internet at [removed] at [removed] UK time
(several hours earlier in the US).
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