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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 367
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Under rated shows                     [ "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed] ]
      Help Please!                          [ lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed]; ]
      Golden age of radio fandom            [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
      Interview With God/We Interrupt This  [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      Film "We Interrupt This Program"      [ "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
      Re: The Next Voice You Hear           [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
      Johnny McPhee-William Johnstone-Chuc  [ "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
      More about Twenty Questions/ Johnny   [ "Baughan Roemer" <BROEMER@peoplepc. ]
      Cassette to CD                        [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
      overrated shows                       [ "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@neb. ]
      Re:calligraphy                        [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Re:" Archie" on prime time            [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      the other Tonto                       [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
      Bickersons videos                     [ bloodbleeds@[removed] ]
      Conried and Bartell                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:53:21 -0400
    From: "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Under rated shows

    I will have to agree with Chuck who, in digest # 364, said that 'Tales of
    The Texas Rangers' is an underrated show.  It was a very well done series
    about modern (1950s)crime fighting.  Another series that I think is
    underrated is 'Night Beat'.  Very gritty newspaper writer stories, staring
    Frank Lovejoy.  Great series, if you have never heard it give it a listen.

    Roby McHone
    Fairbanks, Alaska

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    Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:30:17 -0400
    From: lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Help Please!

    Can any one out there help me with 3 questions?

    1. What is Mayor LaTrivias first name on F&M?

    2. On The Judy Canova Show- Gale Gordon plays Judys
    neighbor.  Any one know his name?

    3.  On Burns And Allen Show Gale Gordon played the
    wealthy Texan, Any one know his name?

    I Looking for this information for a story I am doing
    on Gale Gordon.  Many Thanks in advance to all and
    any who help!!!!

    Keep Listening!
    Lynn Wagar

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    Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:33:45 -0400
    From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Golden age of radio fandom

    Were the 1970s the golden age of radio fandom? Well,
    they say the golden age of (fill in the blank) is 12,
    and I was just three months shy of my 12th birthday
    when I bought my first OTR program (The Green Hornet.
    "The Boathouse Mystery) in 1978. So, in one sense, for
    me, the 1970s were the golden age of radio fandom.

    Granted, I did not own very many tapes, and most all
    of them were from Radio Reruns, but in the early 80s,
    every Sunday night, a Canadian radio station would
    play OTR shows from 8 to 10 [removed] (if memory serves). I
    would often sit in my room with my dog and listen to
    the Green Hornet, the Shadow, and other favorites.

    On the other hand, in many ways, this is the golden
    age of radio fandom. There are, as Anthony Tollin
    says, more shows available than in the 1970s; and,
    there are OTR conventions, which I didn't even imagine
    existed until the late 1990s, when I first heard about
    them (Yes, oddly enough, despite having attended many
    comicbook and science fiction conventions since the
    early 1980s, it never occured to me that there might
    be a gathering of radio enthusiasts somewhere. Of
    course, at that time, unless it were near home, it
    would've been financially impossible to attend). At
    the conventions, I've been able to meet some of the
    people responsible for creating the programs I've been
    listening to for years.  My 12-year-old self probably
    would've been jealous.

    Ironically, the Cincinnati convention was taking place
    during the four years I was living in that city, but I
    didn't know about its existence until a full decade
    after I moved. I've since attended every year; but I
    can't help but wonder what I missed back in the 80s.

    So when was/is the golden age of radio fandom? Well,
    I'll have to go with the 12 theory myself. Of course,
    given all the information available (as well as all
    the shows out there to be heard) I think the
    12-year-olds of today may luck out and have the
    goldenest of golden ages.

    Rick

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    Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:57:24 -0400
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Interview With God/We Interrupt This Program

    Herb Harrison wondered if the TV program" We Interupt This Program" had
    previously been an OTR  show. I don't know about that but his
    discription of the plot sure sounds alot like the motion picture "The
    Next Voice You Hear"  from 1950 starring James Whitmore and Nancy Davis
    (remember her?). Powerful film.

       On a different subject our local Sam's Club in Glendora California
    has stopped carrying OTR sets. I was told that they were all sent back.
    I didn't get to ask the manager about it  but I would be interested to
    know if this is chainwide policy or just our local store. A few months
    ago they had moved them from the VHS and DVD, and video game section to
    the book section where they were hard to find. I wouldn't be surprised
    if they stopped selling many of them as a result.

    George Aust

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    Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:57:32 -0400
    From: "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed];
    To: "OTR message" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Film "We Interrupt This Program"
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    Sure I remember the movie referred to by Mr. Harrison. Starred James Whitmore
    and Nancy Reagan (then Nancy Davis)

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    Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:57:42 -0400
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: The Next Voice You Hear

    Herb Harrison asked about a TV show called We Interrupt this Program. I
    recall a movie called The Next Voice You Hear. Saw it back when I was a
    teenager and then managed to find it on home video a few years ago.

    It has a similar premiss. G-d speaking to the world on the radio.

    Fred
    For the best in Old Time Radio Shows [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:27:01 -0400
    From: "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed];
    To: "OTR message" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Johnny McPhee-William Johnstone-Chuck Webster

    Many thanks for that information on Johnny McPhee from Philip Chavin. And
    much thanks to Mr. Tollin for telling me about William Johnstone. Can I get
    lucky a third time? Does anyone have information about another "lost player"
    in my mind, Chuck [removed] Ranger and then East Coast radio? Another
    great voice favorite.

    Don Frey

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    Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:59:00 -0400
    From: "Baughan Roemer" <BROEMER@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  More about Twenty Questions/ Johnny McPhee
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    Following-up on the recent thread about Twenty Questions and Johnny McPhee, it
    is interesting to note that, Hal Stone not withstanding , many of the young
    people featured on programs of the OTR era did indeed continue leading
    productive lives as grown-adults. Case-in-point , Twenty Question panel member
    Johnny McPhee better known these days as best-selling & Pulitzer Prize winning
    author John McPhee . A native of Princeton , New Jersey , McPhee has written
    for the New Yorker since 1965 and authored over 25 books on a remarkably
    wide-array of subjects . Not bad for an ex-radio panelist -not bad at all !
    And now, as Paul Harvey would say, you know the rest of the story !    -
    Baughan Roemer

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    Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 04:00:50 -0400
    From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cassette to CD

    Hello.  I have read various enquiries on the digest about transfering your
    cassettes to audio CD.  We now offer this serivce and can usually improve
    the sound quality before burning to CD.  Please write to us privately and
    let us know your needs so we can give you a price estimate.  You may write
    to otr@[removed].  We currently do not have a web presence set up
    because we want to get an idea what the market for this type of service is,
    but chances are that we can be quite reasonable.  Thanks for contacting us.

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    Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:38:06 -0400
    From: "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@[removed];
    To: "old time radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  overrated shows

    Hi all:

    We've already established that this concept is completely subjective.
    Having said that, here are a few thoughts I have.
    Inner Sanctum-  This show was corny even for it's time.  I have no idea how
    it lasted as long as it did.  The plots were horrible and the jokes of
    Raymond and the Ghost Host were awful as well.
    Phillip Marlo-  Gerald Mohr was a great actor, but he just never did it for
    me as Marlo.
    The Lux Radio Theater-  Transferring movie scripts to radio scripts was too
    gimmicky for me and the big stars often sounded wooden in their
    performances.  This goes for Screen Director's Playhouse and all other shows
    of type.
    The Man Called X-  I know all spy/intrigue shows were timely and I've taken
    this into account, but this show still doesn't measure up.  Herbert Marshall
    always sounded half-awake and we won't even discuss Pagon.

    By the way, responding to someone's post in the last digest discussing the
    Great Gildersleeve, I have to disagree.  The show was a success because it
    took on it's own identity and didn't try to copy Fibber and Molly.  If it
    had, I doubt ti would have lasted at all.
    ryanO

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    Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:38:28 -0400
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:calligraphy

    My awesome Aussie buddy Ian Grieve slipped in another "zinger" in his recent
    posting.

>     (Patiently waiting for Jugheads printers, must be using longhand)

    Actually Ian, I decided to be different and unique with my book. I arranged
    for a bunch of Capuchin Monks in a Latvian Monastery to use their centuries
    old copying skills to turn out the finished product. Unfortunately, when the
    proof finally wended it's way down the mountain trails to the nearest
    airport, and I finally got it, to my dismay, it was all written in Latin. Oh
    well, back to the drawing board, as they say. Tempus Fugits.

    By the way, you still haven't told me where in Australia the book will be
    shipped to. To save postage, I'm trying to "hit on" a Quantas stewardess to
    see if I can get it hand delivered and save the freight costs. I mean,
    really! Are you sure you want 30 copies sight unseen? :)

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

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    Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:39:49 -0400
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:" Archie" on prime time

    Jer 51423, (on the subject of popularity of programs within the OTR hobby),
    makes an interesting point. If you're from the OTR generation, a lot
    depended on what shows you listened to back then. (Primarily the prime time
    offerings). Jer says;

>     For instance, if archie had been in a weekday evening slot, no doubt it would
>     have caught on with me, but not on saturday mornings. Therefore, for nostalgic

    reasons i identify more with henry aldrich. Switch the slots and archie may
    have won out for me.

    That might be true Jer. But only if the writing changed. In the Saturday
    morning "kids" time slot, the plots and written material was incredibly
    sophomoric. (Not to mention repetitive). It would not have attracted an
    adult (mature) audience as it was then scripted. Anyone listening today, (to
    any of those old recordings) has to realize that it was not designed to
    compete with the humor heard in prime time. It's a "comparing apples to
    apples" thing. (Dunning, in his book, gives the show a less than
    enthusiastic review when comparing it to Henry Aldrich.) That bugged me a
    bit. We weren't designed to compete with Henry Aldrich. If Dunning listened
    to the show as an adult, (or if any of you in the OTR hobby listen to it for
    the first time as an adult), I beg you not to compare our body of work with
    other comedy shows like "Fibber", or "Guildersleeve" or "Aldrich". But when
    it came to popular daytime kids shows, I'm proud of what we accomplished.
    It's a trifle embarrassing (for me) to even attempt to compare my 15 year
    career in OTR to that of Harry Bartell. But I had a job to do, loved playing
    the jerky character "Jughead", and took pride in the fact that we were the
    top rated Saturday daytime program on the air. Popularity, (as in Beauty) is
    in the eyes (ears) and age, of the beholder.

    Jer goes on to say;

>     Of course i go to length to explain my listing  of archie because who knows,
>     hal may decide to start issuing discounts on his book.

    That jer is a clever one. :) However, the "discount" for the price of the
    forthcoming book (patience),is already built in. I thoroughly researched
    what similar OTR publications were selling for, and asked advice of people
    in the know. Most books on the OTR subject were selling for $[removed] on up. I
    decided to keep the list price low enough-$[removed], (336 pages with lots of
    graphics) so it would be as reasonable priced as possible, and as affordable
    to as many people as possible. Of course, Jer, we can even lower that price
    for what is known in the trade as a "Volume discount". How many copies do
    you want? :)

    But I hasten to add, the book is just not about a "not for prime time" Kids
    show. It's about what life was like as a performer back in those days. And
    definitely, a far different writing style than the offerings that Harry
    Bartell is treating us to. I had fun writing it (and a lot of grief when
    computer problems flared up), and I can't wait for the "reviews" after you
    guys (and gals) read it.

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    "Jughead"

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    Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:40:37 -0400
    From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  the other Tonto

    Occasionally I hear an ep of the Lone Ranger in which another voice, not
    that of John Todd, portrays Tonto. I even heard one where the other Tonto
    steps in after the break.

    Any idea who the other Tonto is?

    Joe Salerno

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    Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:41:02 -0400
    From: bloodbleeds@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bickersons videos

    Hi there. Just spreading the word for my friend Paul Rapp who is selling his Bickersons
    videos. He's still updating [removed] but I have put purchase links and video
    covers up at

    [removed]

    if anyone would like to see what the new Bickersons videos look like. They aren't
    available in stores - yet. So for a while, the only place to get them will be online. I'll be at
    the otr convention in Newark next month with some though, so be warned!

    The Bickersons Scripts book
    [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:52:59 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Conried and Bartell

    I have been reading a wonderful account of Hans Conried by Suzanne Gargiulo. I
    found something of great interest if for no other reason, it involves our own
    beloved Harry Bartell. I am quoting directly from the book: "Hans Conried, A
    Biography With a Filmography and a Listing of Radio, Television, Stage and
    Voice Work."

    Radio actor Harry Bartell recalls an incident from his early days
    reflecting on Conried's kindness: "Although I was older than he, Hans started
    in radio long before I got to California. On my first network broadcast, I
    appeared at CBS a total stranger. This tall, lanky guy came over and said, 'I
    don't think we've met. My name is Hans Conried.' He then introduced me to all
    the cast members. For the balance of my time in radio, I remembered to do the
    same for newcomers who were strange to the show." Bartell would also add, "I
    always felt Hans was born a century too late. He was really meant for a career
    in the theatre, and the theatre of his lifetime would not allow that
    type of career for a man who loved a family."

    Gargiulo also mentions a little known series that Conried starred in called,
    "Much About Dolittle." It was a summer series in 1950. Dolittle was a southern
    gentleman who would do anything to remain unemployed. It was not a very good
    show and lasted only the one summer. Does anyone know more about this show and
    are any available?
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    Make your day just a little better, listen to Olde Tyme Radio!

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