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Date: 10/18/2003 8:53 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 378
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Hamburger Sandwich                    [ Clifengr3@[removed] ]
      kentuckiana old time radio meeting s  [ edward ginsburg <eddieginsburg@[removed] ]
      Tyler McVey's memorial                [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Wonderful Smith                       [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
      OTR language idioms                   [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
      OTR Home Transmission FM/AM           [ BH <radioguy@[removed]; ]
      Ayuh                                  [ Richard Carpenter <sinatra@ragingbu ]
      New OTR Book                          [ Gary Lare <otrman@[removed]; ]
      FM Transmitter                        [ ralph314 <RWARD@[removed]; ]
      dialectician query                    [ zbob@[removed] ]
      Your Truly, Johnnhy Dollar            [ William Brooks <webiii@[removed]; ]
      looking for a future trade            [ "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed]; ]
      Re: OTR Home Transmission             [ Shenbarger@[removed] ]
      Re: Pig In a Poke                     [ Kcpymurphy@[removed] ]
      bags vs. sacks                        [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      Mackey & dialects                     [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      Regional Dialects                     [ JimBourg@[removed] ]
      FM [removed]                   [ "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed] ]

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:50:01 -0400
    From: Clifengr3@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hamburger Sandwich
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    The recent talk of a "hamburger sandwich" reminded me of another odd phrase
    I've heard used that caused me to do a double take. (Please be patient, the
    OTR
    tie-in comes at the end).

    It's in the movie NIAGARA, where the boss's wife, played by Lurene Tuttle,
    says, after driving all day to get to Niagara Falls, that she's can't wait to
    take a "shower bath."

    Where I come from it's just a "shower". Is there anywhere in the US (or
    Canada) today where standing under a stream of hot water is called a "shower
    bath?"

    Now you probably thought that the OTR tie-in was that the speaker of the
    phrase was Lurene Tuttle, the gushingly innocent and sweet-voiced secretary
    to Sam
    Spade, but you're only half right. Her husband in the movie, and the jovial
    Nabisco Shredded Wheat executive, is played by none other then Don Wilson.

    I recommend the movie, available on VHS and DVD, to anyone who wants to check
    out these two radio stars on the Silver Screen. And it's a really good
    suspense movie too, filmed entirely on location in Niagara Falls, Ontario.
    Oh, by
    the way, Marilyn Monroe stars and is sensational!

    Jim Yellen

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:45:16 -0400
    From: edward ginsburg <eddieginsburg@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  kentuckiana old time radio meeting set for
     10-19-03

    When:
    9:30am
    Where:
    Dillon's Steakhouse,
    the corner of Taylorsville Road and Hurstbourne lane
    in Louisville
    What is it?
    Just a group of old time radio fanatics that talk about old radio, old movies
    and tv
    swap radio shows and just have a relaxed good time

    Please join [removed] informal meetings have no real agenda
    we just enjoy the nostalgia, it ususally ends before noon
    feel free to come on time or late, we would be glad to see you
    Refreshments are served ($5 is requested of all-coffee, orange juice and
    sweetrolls are served)
    for further info please call me @ 502-451-0071
    thanks
    eddie ginsburg

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:48:16 -0400
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Tyler McVey's memorial

    Just a reminder that Tyler McVey's memorial that AFTRA is hosting will be
    tomorrow morning (Saturday) at 10 am at the First Christian Church at the
    corner of Moorpark and Colfax in North Hollywood.

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:50:04 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

     From Those Were The Days --

    10/17

    1919 - The Radio Corporation of America (RCA) was formed.

    1938 - This was a big day in Tinseltown. NBC moved to the corner of
    Sunset and Vine, the 'Crossroads of the World'. The new Hollywood Radio
    City drew thousands of visitors ready to fill studio-audience seats for
    popular radio programs.

    10/18

    1922 - As the British observed the wild growth of radio in the [removed],
    they realized the potential of broadcasting in their own country, as
    well as the need for its regulation. The British Broadcasting
    Corporation (BBC) was established on this day to monitor the development
    of the radio biz in Great Britain.

    1943 - The first broadcast of Perry Mason was presented on CBS. In the
    15-minute (Monday-Friday) shows, Perry was played by Barlett Robinson,
    Santos Ortega, Donald Briggs and John Larkin.

    10/19

    1937 - "The freedom of the press is a flaming sword. Use it justly, hold
    it high, guard it well." The radio classic, Big Town, made its debut on
    CBS radio. Star reporters at the Illustrated Press, Steve Wilson and
    Lorelei Kilbourne, were played by Edward G. Robinson and Claire Trevor.
    Tell the Story was the theme song. Sponsors included Ironized Yeast
    tablets and Lifebuoy soap.

    Joe

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    Visit my homepage:  [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:50:53 -0400
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Wonderful Smith
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    David Malvin asks:

>     Can anyone help me find copies of broadcasts featuring Wonderful Smith?
>     Wonderful Smith is a very talented comedian and monologist who got his first
>     big break in a Duke Ellington musical called Jump For Joy that played the
>     Mayan theater in Hollywood in 1941.

           While I have not run across any recordings of this performer, I
    did locate a reference to him in the July 1947 issue of Radio Mirror
    magazine, when I was at the Library of American Broadcasting at the
    University of Maryland, doing research on my upcoming book, "Private
    Eyelashes: Radio's Lady Detectives." The short piece on "Wonderful
    Smith" stated he was the son of Martha Bell and Samuel Smith of
    Arkansas. It credits him with reoccurring roles then (1947) on the Red
    Skelton radio show. It further stated he was originally in two Earl
    Carroll reviews: "World's Finest" and "Jumpin' For Joy."

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:29:30 -0400
    From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR language idioms

              I've noticed several of these on OTR myself.  Mostly
    used on shows like "Our Miss Brooks" and "Amos n' Andy".

    Here are some of the ones I've noticed:

    Pantry/Cabinet- a raised area which provides storage for
    various types of  non perishable foodstuffs.

    Breakfront/Buffet- used to refer to a piece of kitchen/dining
    room furniture used to store such items as napkins, table
    cloths, and the like.

    Drawers-used to refer a clothing item as well as a storage
    area for cutlery

    Duvay(sp?)/Sofa/Couch/Settee/Davenport- a piece of furniture
    usually found in one's living room used to lounge upon.

    Trash/Garbage

    Blackboard/Chalkboard

    Highboy/Armoire

    Supper/Dinner- I heard an explanation last weekend of the
    difference between these terms on a BBC comedy rerun ("Are
    You Being Served?").  It was as follows: 'Supper is a meal
    enjoyed by the working class (blue collar workers).  Dinner
    is the name used by the upper classes to refer to the final meal
    of the day.'

    Bathing costume/Bathing suit

              I believe many of these items, as well as others, aren't
    entirely
    the product of various regional idioms, but the times and placement
    of the particular OTR stories.  For example, during Sherlock Holmes
    time, swimwear was refered to as 'bathing costumes'.  The same
    garment would probably have been refered to as a 'bathing suit'
    by  Mr. and Mrs. Barbour (of  "One Man's Family" fame).

    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:30:19 -0400
    From: BH <radioguy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR Home Transmission FM/AM

    Tim Ballew in a state of difficult decision making comments:

>     Should I:
>     * Buy a more powerful FM transmitter?

    If you use a AM or FM transmitter whose power limits exceed part 15 of
    the FCC rules you may run into trouble with said government entity.  I
    personally would stay away from the FM band as it seems to be easier to
    interfere with commercial stations and the FCC seems to be more
    agressive about such interference on the FM [removed]

>     * Buy an AM transmitter? (There's plenty of dead space on the AM dial)

    I use a part 15 AM transmitter to transmit music and OTR to my vintage
    radios.  If you are in or near a large city, the FM band can be quite
    crowded, but there always does seem to be a few empty frequencies on the
    AM band. However, you may find a spot that is quite during the daytime,
    but at night when propagation conditions change, you may suddenly have
    intereference from some distant station. If you have soldering skills
    there are several kits on the market that are quite good. One I have
    found to be the best IMHO, is the AMT3000 low power AM unit. This was
    designed and is produced by a fellow enthusists. The quality of the kit
    is very good, but it does require some close up soldering work when
    soldering one surface mount chip to the PC board. I believe you can
    order the kit with this chip already soldered. If interested you can
    find more information at: [removed]
    I have no connection with this product other than a satisified user.

    Bill H.

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:30:34 -0400
    From: Richard Carpenter <sinatra@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ayuh

      I loved Elizabeth Mcleod's re-creation of a Maine
    accent and feel compelled to add that although times
    may change and accents may diminish, we are still
    lissening to them g-- d--- Red Sox blowing anothah one.

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:30:42 -0400
    From: Gary Lare <otrman@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  New OTR Book

    I am trying to find out how to order the new book mentioned on this list
    called "Speaking of Radio," (I believe).  Can someone put me in the
    right direction?

    Gary

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:16:56 -0400
    From: ralph314 <RWARD@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  FM Transmitter

    Sir,

    I got a perfect solution for your problem. It is a Kima Wireless KS-110
    although the company
    discribes it function as transmitter to FM receiver frequencies, I had
    your same problem to many
    local stations on the transmitting  frequencies. The company doesn't
    advertise the fact that with
    a twin RCA (stereo jacks) with a l/8 "jack plugged into the receptacles
    in the rear of the
    receiver. A dual female 1/8" jack and a cheap pair of stereo computer
    speakers.  I've got reception
    of over 150 feet from my home to neighbors house.  It has the same range
    as a 900 mhrz  cordless telephone!! The KIMA KS-110 is available from:
    [removed] or just put the KimA KS 110 in a search engine
    to find additional dealers. I've seen the Kima -1109 as low as $[removed] to
    a high of $[removed]
    Again you will need
                    1 Kima KS-110
                    1 RCA  Dual  stereo Jack with a 1/8in Plug (same end as
    found on headphones)
                    1 Set of Computer speakers(I got mine at Walgreens for
    $[removed])
                    1 female to female 1/8" connector (to hook up the 1/8'
    plug in on the RCA stero jacks to the 1/8" plug on the computer speakers.

       Total Cost Less than $[removed] (If you have the spare partss even less)
    I hook my computert up to aq 120 GB USB hard drive hook the Kima to the
    out put jacs(Sound Card) and sit out on my patio for listening to
    OTR/Music for hours at a time.  The only problem I've had is from
    airplanes reflecting the Kima 900mhrz signal(not a frequent happening
    and about a 1/4 mile from my home is a Trucking company that seems to
    interfer with the Kima signal(Again not a frequent happening).
     Please forgive my spelling and typing my hands are a little stiff with
    age!! If you decide to go this route please let me know how it works for
    you!!

    Sincerly

    Ron Ward

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:17:11 -0400
    From: zbob@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  dialectician query

    With all the interesting mail recently about dialects, etc., I will ask again
    if anyone recalls the chap in NYC, around 1945 or so, probably WOR - anyway,
    he would determine a person's point of origin by analyzing their speeech
    patterns.  Using the words "Merry", "Mary", and "Marry", he could get a rough
    indication as to location, then would request other phrases to pinpoint the
    origin - something like "The southeast corner of XXX county".  ? ? ? ?

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:42:25 -0400
    From: William Brooks <webiii@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Your Truly, Johnnhy Dollar

    Help----On the Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar episode "The Mad Hatter
    Matter" dated 1/27/57 I am trying to identify the actors. Can anyone
    help? I have identified of course Bob Bailey as Johnny, and Parley
    Baer as Mr Preene, as well as Stacy Harris as Russell Tracy. The
    following parts are unidentified:

    Nures Helen Richards
    Lt. Steiner
    Mr. Howart
    post office worker

    I'm certain the Nurse is NOT Virginia Gregg and I think that Lt.
    Steiner might be either Russell Thorson or Herb Butterfield but I'm
    not sure.

    Any help I can get will be appreciated---a lot

    Thanks

    Bill

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:37:52 -0400
    From: "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  looking for a future trade
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    hi
    if you collect 16in transcriptions of country style usa or navy hoedown or one
    of these country shows i have a few and i am looking to trade disc
    for disc very shortly when mine are copied
    and also "lets go to town" i have more of these than
    the other but would like to trade for the same
    if you aren't familiar with lets go, they had a popular
    singer and band leader on to do 4 shows, ea about
    15min,but ea show is complete in itself
    thanks ed

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    Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:39:02 -0400
    From: Shenbarger@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: OTR Home Transmission
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    In a message dated 10/17/2003 Tim Ballew writes:

>     Should I:
>     * Buy a more powerful FM transmitter?
>     * Buy an AM transmitter? (There's plenty of dead space on the AM dial)

>     Does a stronger FM transmitter necessarily overcome a lack of space on the
>     FM dial?
>     Does the ample space on the AM dial mean that AM would perform better?

>     Curious if anyone has also experienced the fickleness of FM OTR transmission
>     or if someone has pointers on the pro/con of FM vs. AM for this purpose.

    I have used the Sound Feeder model SF120 which costs about $20 at Best Buy.
    It is good for about fifty feet. As far as I know it runs under maximum
    permissible conditions, that is, I believe it is not legal to use a superior
    antenna
    in place of the 4" built-in antenna. People who don't care have had results
    with distances measured in thousands of feet using good antennas.

    I recently ordered an AM transmitter kit and it was delivered this week. It
    is more strongly powered and I expect it will easily reach the full distance
    around the house. It runs at maximum allowed power for an unlicensed AM
    Broadcast Station and includes several nice features. Hopefully it works as
    advertised. Cost for the kit with shipping was $100. It is not available in a
    built
    version. I will report on this after getting it together and tested.

    As to AM or FM, the Sound Feeder is FM stereo, not good stereo, but stereo. I
    have had good results in getting further with this signal by using radios
    that can be set to Mono (turn stereo off). The AM transmitters and most AM
    receivers are not stereo. The FM transmitters are tiny things easily used in
    your
    car or on vacation. They can be adjusted to any frequency on the FM band. The
    AM
    transmitters are mostly 115 volt AC units and have a 10 ft long wire antenna
    and several controls to adjust. Changing frequency may require electronic
    adjustments. Once set they should work fine, but all this does not lend them
    to
    convenience in portability, especially for those not technically inclined.

    Don Shenbarger

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:36:28 -0400
    From: Kcpymurphy@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Pig In a Poke
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    Charles mentions the expression "Pig in a Poke" meaning don't buy what you
    haven't seen. In Europe, the expression came about because a few people were
    not
    above putting a runt in the poke or strong bag instead of a young pig. Even
    more dastardly, were the sellers who placed a cat in the poke. A smart buyer
    would demand to open the poke, thus giving wings to the expression "let the
    cat
    out of the bag."  In more modern times, we use that expression to mean
    disclosing something that was a secret .

    Kacie

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:46:50 -0400
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  bags vs. sacks

    Please don't ask where I got these ideas, but:
    A sack is a small paper bag, usually without the folded "accordion" base
    that allows larger bags to stand open.
    A bag is a comparatively large container which is collapsible, and can be
    made of paper or other materials.

    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:47:39 -0400
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Mackey & dialects

    We had lunch around room, and supper at night. We weren't allowed to play
    outside after supper in the winter, when it was dark. In the summer,
    suppertime began an hour later, at 6 PM. When we were outside we could hear
    parents calling their kids to supper all over the neighborhood. (Note: We
    played "outside", not "outdoors".)
    Nobody went to "dinner", except them people in the movies, and they all
    dressed up and made a lot of speeches. None of us even knew what a
    "luncheon" was.
    Our $15/week apartment came with a couch. Later, with seven kids, my
    parents convinced the landlord to give us another couch from another
    apartment, so we had two [removed] in the livingroom. We never had a
    "family room".
    Later, we bought a new couch. Because it was new, we called it a sofa. It
    fell apart about 12 years later, so we called it junk.
    When we lived in Baltimore we called it "soda". Later we lived in western
    Pennsylvania. When we slipped and asked for "soda" instead of "pop", some
    adults thought we needed a stomach [removed] other kids just laughed at us.
    We wore suit-pants as part of our suits to church; other times we wore
    pants. Sometimes we wore "dungarees" for play. Our father wore pants. Some
    of the girls wore "pedal pushers" instead of skirts, or "girls' dungarees"
    which had the zipper on the side, instead of the front.
    Nobody wore "slacks", except a few of them people in the movies.
    "Shorts" meant boys' or mens' underwear, or "swim shorts", or "gym shorts".
    Nobody wore "short pants" on the street.

    Now is better.
    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:47:50 -0400
    From: JimBourg@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Regional Dialects
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    If sack for bag seemed strange to Irene, I'm glad she didn't have to move to
    South Louisiana, not sure she could have handled that adjustment.

    Jim

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    Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:44:02 -0400
    From: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  FM [removed]

    In 377, Tim Ballew writes:

>     My computer became a "jukebox" that I could listen to through my home
>     stereo, the workshop radio etc.  *** SNIP ***
>     Should I:
>      * Buy a more powerful FM transmitter?
>      * Buy an AM transmitter? (There's plenty of dead space on the AM dial)

    I would recommend neither of these solutions.  Like Tim, I use my computer as
    a Jukebox.  Not just for listening to OTR on CD, but playing popular music
    MP3s, and streaming audio like the Big Broadcast from WAMU and Virginia Tech
    football games (when they're not on TV ).

    I have several sets of wireless speakers.  Mine are all from Radio Shack and
    are branded RCA (made by Thompson) - they're all the same, so all the
    speakers run off of one transmitter.  The transmitter plugs into an 1/4"
    audio out (genderbended to 1/8") on my computer.  (I have a Soundblaster
    Audigy Platinum, so I've got more audio outs than I know what to do with -
    your computer may vary.)  The speakers themselves are scattered around my
    apartment - in the kitchen, bedroom, even the bathroom.  I'm not sure what
    frequency they transmit on, but I haven't had any interference problems on
    two of the three available settings.

    Each of these speakers has it's own power supply, and can also run on
    batteries so they're pretty portable.  The speakers will recharge themselves
    if the proper batteries are used, so you could leave one plugged in in one
    room, and take it with you to another room if you wanted.

    Anyway, hope this helps.

    -chris holm

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