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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 489

Table Of Contents: 

	 "Old radio never [removed]" query
	 Re: [removed] never dies
	 All the Best in the Holidays
	 Apology and Christmas Announcement
	 Re: THE LONE RANGER
	 re: Self-referential sitcoms
	 Happy Holidays
	 #OldRadio Chat on IRC

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 22:43:27 -0500
From: DavidLHsl@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Old radio never [removed]" query
Message-ID: <961217224313_1556271693@[removed]>

  My response to Lou's solicitation for endings to the phrase: "Old radio
never dies, it just ..."

"... pauses for station identification."
"... gets more difficult to find replacement parts."
"... can't be heard over the MTV."
"... makes Ted Turner angry because he can't figure out how to colorize the
dang thing."
"... goes into perpetual reruns."
"... gets better with age."

David Hassell
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 22:59:16 -0500
From: Joelsiegel@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: [removed] never dies
Message-ID: <961217225843_1221512747@[removed]>

pauses for station identification.
[removed] does anyone out there have easy access to lauren bacall on otr?
all she has are four bold ventures and she'd love to hear more (especially a
maltese falcon she did with humphrey bogart on lux radio theatre).

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 23:01:42 -0600 ()
From: Bruce Toews <toews@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: All the Best in the Holidays
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

As a lot of people no doubt read this digest at work, many of whom will
probably soon be on holidays, I wanted to take the time now to wish all my
friends in the OTR digest a very merry Christmas if you celebrate
Christmas, and a great holiday season if you celebrate something else. I
look forward to OTR-Digest being even bigger and better in the coming
year. Thanks to everyone for all the help they've been.

Bruce

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 02:50:14 -0500 (EST)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Apology and Christmas Announcement
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

	Sorry if my message to Bruce turns up in the Digest; I forgot to 
change the address.  You know how distracting it can be doing important 
stuff at work!
	But as long as I'm writing, here's a schedule for Christmas Radio
Dramas on WBAI-NY:  
Golden Age of Radio 12/22 7:30 - 9 pm 
	Scarlet Queen Christmas Show, Benny 12/15/46 "Returning Shoelaces"
		and more (probably Challange of the Yukon and Vic & Sade 
		Christmas shows)
Mass Backwards 12/23-4, Monday night/Tuesday morning 3:30 - 6 am
	BBC Murder for Christmas w/ Peter Sellers as Hercule Poirot
	Christmas 1959 from the National Lampoon, read by your host (at 
	the urging of Rosebud)
	Jean Shepherd Christmas Show - Perfume Atomizer - 1964
Christmas Eve Special Midnight to 6 am - A combination of OTR, NTR, 
	music, Shepherd's Duel in the Snow, or Red Ryder Nails the Cleveland 
	Street Kid, first broadcast of The Birth of a Baby (1954), probably
	another BBC Murder For Christmas story, etc.  
All programming subject to time restrictions and the whim of the producer, 
but join us for a good time (or set your VCR!)	
	Suggestions: send me your requests.	
			-Max Schmid  WBAI  [removed] FM NYC

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 02:34:47 -0500
From: Terry Salomonson <terryotr@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: THE LONE RANGER
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

>This is in response to Anthony Tollins 12/16/96 input to the Digest.  In
part, he mentioned that fact that John Barrett played the lead role of the
LONE RANGER in the Buffalo, NY productions of the program.  This is
absolutely true!  There were several different actors around the country
that played the role during the period of time that Fran Striker
independently sold his LONE RANGER scripts to different stations.  Francis
X. Bushman played the title role in Chicago for instances.  Productions
around the country stopped with the purchase of the property from Fran
Striker to WXYZ and the full control of George W. Trendle.       John
Barrett, at the time, moved with his sister to Detroit, hoping to continue
in the starring role and was disappointed when that did not happen.  After a
short period of time, he moved back to the Buffalo area and became involved
outside of the broadcasting field.  His sister, though, stayed at WXYZ and
continued her acting career, heard in many female parts including THE LONE
RANGER (Mustang Mag).  These are little known facts, most of which would
have been brought to light some years ago, as I was planning on, until Dave
Holland contacted me during the writing of his book.  I offered many facts
to Dave, which were included in his book, and was thanked by him in the
final publication of it.  However, I decided to wait until some period of
time after Dave's book was released, to resume my efforts in this area.
This is an effort that I still need to complete.
     As many know, I was the recipient of a large amount of WXYZ material
covering not only THE LONE RANGER, but also CHALLENGE OF THE YUKON, THE
GREEN HORNET, BOB BARCLAY, AMERICAN AGENT and some of the little know WXYZ
originated daytime soap productions like ANN WORTH, HOUSEWIFE.  This
material came from Fred Flowerday and Tony Caminita in the form of hundreds
of scripts, ET's, etc.
     I also have several hundred hours of audio interviews rathered by not
only myself over the years, but also including the audio recorded interviews
that Dick Osgood did in the course of his research for his book.  Most of
these material has never been released beyond the logs that I released some
years ago.  I have wanted to distance myself, time wise, from Dave Holland's
book before releasing mine.
     One point that Anthony didn't know, is that John Barrett was
interviewed about his Buffalo and Detroit LONE RANGER connection.  I met
with and interviewed him during the 50 anniversary celebration that the
Striker family held in Buffalo during the summer of 1983.  I was invited to
attend this function at the request of Fran Striker, Jr., and the Striker
family because of my radio background on this series.  During this event,
John Barrett spent a day there and I met with and interviewed him.  This
interview, and many other audio interviews, will be released when my project
is completed.

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 08:34 CST
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed], et@[removed]
Subject: re: Self-referential sitcoms
Message-Id: <m0vaN5E-000k0aC@[removed]>

Elizabeth Thomsen perceptively noted, speaking of Fibber McGee and Molly:
>
>I was listening to the first episode of "The Great Gildersleeve" which (as
>I'm sure you know!) was a spin-off from "Fibber McGee and Molly"....
>The opening dialogue, however, is between the conductor and a woman on the
>>train, who says something like "Oh, Wistful Vista!  Isn't that where Fibber
>>McGee and Molly live?"  When he points out Gildy to her, she says, "Oh, so
>>that's Mr. Gildersleeve!"....
>I know there are many radio programs like Jack Benny or Burns and Allen
>where they don't pretend it's real-- the show is about the show, so to
>speak, but I don't think I've heard anything quite like this before, where
>a drama-style (rather than variety-show-style) sitcom has a small break in
>the suspension of disbelief.  Any comments?

This sort of thing was pretty common to Fibber McGee and Molly.  Mainly, it
would result from the fact that Harlow Wilcox' commercials for Johnson's
Wax were always integrated into the story, in that Wilcox would "pay a
visit" to Fibber and Molly, and end up extolling the virtues of the
product.  Very often, Fibber or Molly would make some wry comment about how
they had to put up with this in order to eat or to keep their show.  Of
course, I can't remember any of those lines just at this moment.
The release of the movie "Look Who's Laughing" inspired an episode in which
the premiere of the film took place in Wistful Vista, and we were presented
an odd situation in which FM&M were, at the same time, the familiar
residents of WV _and_ the stars of their own movie.  Kind of weird.
Then, in the show "coda", they would sometimes talk about the fact that
they were to be on an upcoming episode of some other show, but they'd be in
character while discussing this. (In fact, so far as I know, they _never_
were out of character, except when saying goodbye for summer vacation.) 
Or, in the coda, they'd discuss the fact that they appeared in the current
issue of a radio fan magazine.  Now, _that_ sort of thing also transpired
on The Adventures of Sam Spade, at least once, where Howard Duff and Lurene
Tuttle, as Spade and Effie, clucked over the pictures of the actors playing
themselves - namely, Howard Duff and Lurene Tuttle.  That was funny.
 
John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
ph  (512) 495-4112
fax (512) 495-4296

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 10:34:04 -0500
From: Platecap@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Happy Holidays
Message-ID: <961218103403_403813354@[removed]>

Hi [removed]

For the first time in over 10 years during this holiday season, [removed]

1. DON'T have a radio show on Yesterday USA Superstation or our local Detroit
station on which I annually featured "Christmas on the Blue" with Gracie
Fields and wished everyone a Merry OTR Christmas on the [removed] hey, maybe
I'll send in a "cameo" few words on tape for Bill Bragg's Yesterday USA
listeners.
2. DON'T have a holiday catalog or supplement in the mail to wish everyone a
Merry OTR Christmas
3. DO have some time to actually LISTEN to some shows as I'm preparing new
masters for an early 1997 supplement.
4. DO have the opportunity to wish the readers of this list greetings of the
season, and a prosperous new year.
5. DO have some time for e-mail correspondence from fellow OTR fans.

Old time radio will never die;  it just gets listed in Jay Hickerson's next
log and  homogenzied and digitized for tomorrows collectors.

Bob Burnham;  BRC Productions;  Platecap@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 96 12:57 PST
From: lois@[removed] (Lois Culver)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: #OldRadio Chat on IRC
Message-Id: <m0vaT3B-000PY3C@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

                         #OldRadio Chat on IRC
                         Thurs 8 PM EST til ??  
                             [removed]

Chat about the "Golden Age of Radio" on Internet Relay Chat, and exchange shows!
Special treat - a first in OTR - Internet? - download a complete early radio
show via .ra format online - online trading of complete radio shows!  

West coasters, come in whenever you can, as our conversations have lasted
over four hours, so you wont miss out!  

For those of you on AOL who have not been able to connect to Starlink, we
have just received information from Starlink that you can connect by using:
[removed]  port 7667.  Starlink has  tried it and it works.
Good luck, and consider trying a full-Internet provider instead of AOL.

Another choice is to go to Lou Genco's WWW page:  [removed]   and
using the Keeping in Touch feature, click on #OldTime Radio to go directly
to the page.

Skylink servers: (Port 6667 is generic and usually will get you there)

[removed]
[removed]
[removed]
[removed]
Test links:
[removed]
[removed]
[removed]
([removed] is offline)

After reaching Starlink, type   /join #OldRadio  and you are there!  See you
Thursday!

Lois Culver



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