Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #345
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Date: 11/8/2005 7:47 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 345
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      11-8 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Center Moriches                       [ Art Chimes <[removed]@[removed] ]
      Theatre Of The Mindless CLIP          [ ilamfan@[removed] (S Jansen) ]
      Camels give thanks to the Yanks       [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      Cheese & wax & Ford                   [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      ISIRTA                                [ "Mike Hobart" <zines50@[removed]; ]
      Re: Edison Recordings                 [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      could it be Cad on the Fitch Badwago  [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      J I JIVE                              [ "belanger" <belanger@[removed]; ]
      Update on Marla                       [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
      Re: Goon Show                         [ "R. R. King" <kingrr@[removed]; ]
      Untangling tape                       [ Dan <teac35@[removed]; ]
      Re:religious programing on the radio  [ Grams46@[removed] ]

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    Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:08:27 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  11-8 births/deaths

    November 8th births

    11-08-1847 - Bram Stoker - Dublin, Ireland - d. 4-20-1912
    author: "Mercury Theatre"; "Hall of Fantasy"; "Mind's Eye"
    11-08-1899 - Edmund "Tiny" Ruffner - Crawfordsville, IN - d. 2-23-1983
    announcer: "Show Boat"; "Captain Diamond's Adventure"; "Better Half"
    11-08-1900 - Margaret Mitchell - Atlanta, GA - d. 8-16-1949
    author: "Gone with the Wind Premier"; "Gone with the Wind"
    11-08-1909 - Scotty Wiseman - Ingalls, NC - d. 1-31-1981
    singer: (Lulu Belle and Scotty) "National Barn Dance"; "Boone County Jamboree"
    11-08-1913 - Robert Strauss - New York, NY - d. 2-20-1975
    actor: Doc Prouty "Advs. of Ellery Queen"; Pa Wiggs "Mrs. Wiggs of the
    Cabbage Patch"
    11-08-1914 - Norman Lloyd - Jersey City, NJ
    actor: "Columbia Presents Corwin"; "Words at War"
    11-08-1916 - June Havoc - Seattle, WA
    actress: "Advs. of Sam Spade"; "Theatre Guild On the Air"
    11-08-1916 - Norman Macdonnell - Pasadena, CA - d. 11-xx-1979
    producer, director: "Gunsmoke"
    11-08-1918 - Bob Schiller - San Francisco, CA
    writer: "Duffy's Tavern"
    11-08-1921 - Jerome Hines - Hollywood, CA - d. 2-4-2003
    singer: "Standard Hour"; "Voice of Firestone"
    11-08-1927 - Patti Page - Claremore, OK
    singer: "One Night Stand"; "Bing Crosby Show"; "Your Rhythm Revue"
    11-08-1931 - Darla Hood - Leedey, OK - d. 6-13-1979
    actress: "Jack Benny Program"; "Bud's Bandwagon"

    November 8th deaths

    02-26-1891 - Josef Bonime - Vilna, Poland - d. 11-8-1959
    conductor: "Death Valley Days"; "Echoes of New York"
    03-20-1914 - Wendell Corey - Dracut, MA - d. 11-8-1968
    actor: Detective Dan McGarry "McGarry and His Mouse"
    04-21-1907 - Beatrice Kay - The Bronx, NY - d. 11-8-1986
    singer: "Gaslight Gayeties"; "Beatrice Kay Show"
    07-03-1913 - Dorothy Kilgallen - Chicago, IL - d. 11-8-1965
    commentator: "Voice of Broadway"; "Breakfast with Dorothy and Dick"
    08-27-1901 - John Gannon - Wyoming - d. 11-8-1969
    actor: Billy Fairfield "Jack Armstrong"
    11-21-1905 - Ted Ray - Wigan, Lanchashire, England - d. 11-8-1977
    comedian: "Ray's a Laugh"
    12-08-1914 - Mary Patton - Minnesota - d. 11-8-1982
    actress: Marie Martel "Arnold Grimm's Daughter"; Lila North "Fat Man"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:16:39 -0500
    From: Art Chimes <[removed]@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Center Moriches

    [removed] Watkins (Digest 344) asked for off-list guidance about the pronunciation
    of the Long Island town of Center Moriches.

    I'll reply on-list because of a semi-old time radio connection.

    For many years, Center Moriches was the home of New York National Speedway,
    home of "nitro-burning funny cars" and the loudest commercials heard on
    powerhouse rocker WABC in the '60s (and probably in adjacent decades, too).
    The memorable spots shouted "Sunday! Sunday!" at us 'til our ears ached.
    (Probably at the same dB level, come to think of it, as experienced trackside
    during a quarter-mile drag race.)

    I believe the ads were also heard in other markets: dueling, overlapping
    shouters, heavily process for maximum parental annoyance quotient. I suppose
    they were all produced by the same shop, though they may have been copycat
    spots.

    Anyway, the guys in New York pronounced the name of the town, or so it seemed
    to me, "Sanna Mauritius," sounding like the sewage utility on the Indian Ocean
    island nation. I think they weren't too far off. I'd lean toward cen-ter
    mo-RISH-ess or mo-RICH-ess, but if I wanted to be sure I'd invest in a phone
    call to an authoritative souce, like the public library reference desk there.

    -Art-

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    Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:30:37 -0500
    From: ilamfan@[removed] (S Jansen)
    To: [removed]@[removed] (OTR Bulletin Board)
    Subject:  Theatre Of The Mindless CLIP

    Okay, here's a link to our Halloween show opener, an excerpt from "War Of The
    Worlds" - no proper introduction for our group (Theatre Of The Mindless),
    just an unnannounced interruption of the pre-show music - sure got the
    audience's attention!

    [removed]

    I would just ask that you choose the "Save" option, since every time it gets
    played from the link, I get charged.  If you download it to your computer,
    you can listen over and over (if you so desire).

    We were very well received at this library fundraiser, and presently have 6
    more shows scheduled so far for 2006 - at the Bowen Park Jack Benny Center
    For The Arts, in Waukegan, IL.

    Very interested in your comments - here, or at

    ilamfan@[removed]

    Thanks very much!

    Stephen Jansen

    --
    Old Time Radio never dies - it just changes formats!

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    Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:31:22 -0500
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Camels give thanks to the Yanks

     From Joe Mackey's 'From Those Were The Days' of 11/05/05:

>     10/31
>     1942 - One of the great wartime shows premiered. CBS debuted Thanks to
>     the Yanks, starring Bob Hawk. It became one of the most popular of the
>     wartime programs.

    I Googled '"Thanks to the Yanks" show' and found what looks like a script
    for the show:

    [removed]

    Regarding the discussion about tobacco sponsors of OTR programs, this
    document is laden with references to Camel cigarettes, the sponsor of the
    show. If the program was popular, it probably helped sales of Camels lots, too.

    (BTW, I smoke cigarettes, and have since I took up the habit in the Army,
    many years ago.)

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    Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:31:51 -0500
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cheese & wax & Ford

    Dixonhayes@[removed] wrote:

>     Television had the advantage of the video element.  On radio, it probably
>     wouldn't have made much sense for Gildersleeve and his family to eat large
>     amounts of cheese at every meal just to please the folks at Kraft.

    Still, there were ways around the problem: Fibber McGee & Molly had a
    visitor show up at their door at least once every episode to tout the
    latest products from Johnsons Wax.
    BTW, wasn't Ford Motors a sponsor of the Andy Griffith show? Seems to me
    that police vehicles with those round tail lights were prominent in many
    episodes.

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    Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:32:11 -0500
    From: "Mike Hobart" <zines50@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  ISIRTA

    If you want to see a photograph of Graeme Garden and Tim Brooke-Taylor
    re-enacting their radio sketch, it's on the web here:

    [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 08:33:09 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Edison Recordings

    On 11/7/05 10:08 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     These are supposed to be transcriptions of Thomas Edison's broadcasts on WAAM
>     For example on page [removed]
>     is a show from Nov 14, 1928. Are these real broadcasts from those dates?

    These are experimental recordings made by the Edison company using a
    special vertical-cut 30rpm fine-groove disc system. The company had an
    agreement with station WAAM to provide recorded programming, but the
    dates given are the dates the programs were recorded at the Edison
    studios, not the dates of broadcast.

    According to an article in the 4/3/29 New York Times, WAAM would begin
    broadcasting the Edison recordings on the follwing day. "It is thought
    that listeners unacquainted with the program's origin will be unable to
    tell whether the presentation is from living entertainers in the WAMM
    studio or otherwise," declared the article. Station spokesman Ira E.
    Nelson Jr. went on to explain that the tests would be aired on a weekly
    basis in an effort to determine listener reaction to this type of
    programming. There are no notations in the Edison files to determine
    which recordings were actually aired and which were never broadcast.

    There were a few actual airchecks recorded by the Edison labs using this
    system. The earliest, dating to 1927, preserves the special "50th
    Anniversary of the Phonograph" program presented by WOR, with Edison
    himself as featured speaker, and there a few other programs in which
    Edison appeared which were recorded for posterity as well. The only
    genuine airchecks to be aired so far by WFMU from the Edison collection
    are the 1928 excerpts from "Luke Higgins' Main Street Stories" and "The
    Eveready Hour," which were featured in the "Thomas Edison's Attic"
    program of 11/18/03. Only excerpts of the existing excerpts were
    rebroadcast on that occasion.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 10:28:46 -0500
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  could it be Cad on the Fitch Badwagon

    Hi Everybody,

    I believe I heard the first or audition Phil Harris and Alice Faye show on
    Fitch Bandwagon.  I believe I heard Conrad Binyon  voice in the opening
    scene.  Conrad do you recall doing that show?  Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 10:29:10 -0500
    From: "belanger" <belanger@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  J I JIVE
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    Does anyone know where to get a list of air dates for the various 15 minute G
    I JIVE  music shows that ran on armed forces radio during world war II? One
    show I have listed as # 414,  I am particularly interested in pinning down
    because it contains the earliest use of the words "rock and roll", as it
    relates to music, I have yet come across ("...the juke box rocking and
    [removed]", to be specific}. I'm aware of the Boswell Sisters song titled
    ROCK AND ROLL, but that was in reference to rideing in a boat. The context of
    # 414 is definitly wwII, so it is at least 1945, if not earlier. Can anyone
    help me out?

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    Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 11:12:45 -0500
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Update on Marla

    This morning I received an email from Lee Slosberg, Marla's son, which
    he asked me to share with all Digesters:

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
    [removed]

    During Monday night's visit, Mom seemed more aware of her surroundings
    in the hospital. The nurses told me she was awake most of the day,
    which is encouraging. She is working with a speech therapist and her
    communication is slowly improving; she was able to say my name for the
    first time since her hospitalization. I have been advised that due to
    the nature of her head injury, it is just a matter of time and
    rehabilitation for her to regain her motor functions, speech, and
    memory.

    Every year Mom looks forward to the FOTR convention and her friends
    there have become family. As she progresses in her medical
    improvements, photos of her convention friends will be helpful in
    regaining her full  memory.

    I would like to thank Jack French, Richard Stone, and all of her FOTR
    family for your concern, support, and prayers. I will let you know when
    she can receive cards and flowers.

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    Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:09:25 -0500
    From: "R. R. King" <kingrr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Goon Show

>     According to my research and book, the Goon show wasn't listed by

    the NYT

>     between 1955 and 1956.  On NBC, Thu, 8:30:  American Adventure from

    8/18/55 -

>     10/13/55; This is My Story from 10/20/55 - 4/26/56.  Jay

    Actually, the New York Times lists it on October 27, November 3, and
    November 10, 1955 at 9:05 [removed] on WRCA. Might be an error -- or maybe
    New York City could only handle three weeks of the Goons.

    WMAQ seems to have carried the series briefly in May, June and July of
    '56, according to the Chicago Tribune.

    WRC carried it from October '55 to July '56, according to the
    Washington Post.

    Some other stations that carried it in October '55, according to
    various newspapers: KSD, WGY, WOWO, KVGB, KXLJ.

    Here's a paragraph from an October 19, 1955 Christian Science Monitor
    radio column:

    ***
    A new comedy-variety series, "The Goon Show," will start on NBC-WBZ
    Thursday at 8:30 [removed] Produced in London and presented in cooperation
    with the BBC, this series will introduce Americans to "goonism," or
    ridiculous comedy. Featured on the program will be three English
    comedians, Peter Seller, [sic] Harry Secombe and Spike Milligan. Music
    will be by the Ray Ellington Quartet and Orchestra under the direction
    of Wally Scott.
    ***

    The show continues in the Monitor's radio listings until at least
    February '56. On November 29, 1955, the Monitor ran a review of the
    series by Rod Nordell who called it "a raucous awakening for Americans
    who have thought of British humor in terms of quiet understatement"
    and "completely screwball":

    ***
    Well, perhaps not completely. Sometimes the characters get hold of a
    cliche or a subject ripe for spoofing, and an element of satire
    interlaces the zany goings-on. In fact, it is tempting to believe that
    underneath all the dialects--some of which are too thick or fast for
    the untutored American ear--there are subtleties not at first
    apparent.

    On the basis of a few casual listenings, however, "The Goon Show"
    seems strictly for laughs--laughs which are supplied in excess by the
    audience on the transcriptions. The series is reminiscent of a type of
    American radio comedy depending greatly on speed, running gags, odd
    voices and sound effects.
    ***

    The critic then describes a recent episode about "a scheme to build a
    duplicate of an ill-fated sailing ship in order somehow to find out
    what had happened to the original," quotes some dialogue, praises the
    "timing and delivery" that makes the show "hilarious" and ends with:
    "If the American listener is not careful, he may find even himself
    emitting a helpless, bewildered guffaw, caught up in a trans-Atlantic
    echo of British madness."

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    Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:51:04 -0500
    From: Dan <teac35@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Untangling tape

     Patience - and lots of it!  been awhile since I've
    had a problem like that, but Grey Matter sez to use a
    ROUND toothpick to help "pry or pick" apart the tangle
    and use TONS of care as to not tear or damage the tape
    anymore than what it is. More than likely, the tape
    should still be listenable. For help smoothing out the
    creases, one way comes to mind - Ceramic Coffee cup
    with Hot liquid. With slight tension and/or pressure,
    run the crinkled portion AROUND the cup 2 to 3 times
    at a slow, but steady pace. The warmth from the cup
    will help smooth out the wrinkles.  I would try
    practicing on a "Junk Tape" until you get the hang of
    it. Coffee is kinda hard to clean up off of tape when
    you spill it and it's hot too! (speaks from
    expierience!)

    Dan

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    Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 21:44:52 -0500
    From: Grams46@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:religious programing on the radio
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    In a message dated 11/2/2005 7:08:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
    [removed]@[removed] asks:

>     I wonder if such shows are still around?

    from the  lutheran  hour ministries website - _[removed]
    ([removed]) :
    <..."The Lutheran Hour., the world's longest-running,  Christian outreach
    radio program. It airs weekly on more than 800 stations.  "
    "...On October 2,  1930, the first broadcast of The Lutheran Hour. radio
    program  was aired, with Dr. Walter A. Maier as speaker. ..... For
    seventy-five
    years,  the call of Christ has been carried around the world by radio waves to
    share  the Good News." >

    peace from kathy
    support our troops; end the war
    john  3:16

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