Subject: [removed] Digest V2008 #212
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Date: 9/8/2008 4:07 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2008 : Issue 212
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Don LaFontaine died                   [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      Origin of John Reid                   [ "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
      Honest Harold vs. Gildy               [ KE0O <oldradiotimes@[removed]; ]
      The Hornet's sting, er, ring          [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
      RE: Early Days of OTR Catalogs        [ <jeddolnick@[removed]; ]
      The kid done good.                    [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      Click Through Fraud                   [ Rentingnow@[removed] ]
      The (audio drama) game is still afoo  [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      Our own Old days of OTR               [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      Re: Early Days of OTR Catalogs        [ Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed]; ]
      The Cisco Kid                         [ Larry Gassman <lgsinger@[removed] ]
      9-4 births/deaths                     [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      Bold Venture Opening Lines            [ mmartini@[removed] ]
      Johnny Dollar in Port Norris NJ       [ John Abbott <mraastro@[removed]; ]
      That famous quote                     [ Ken Greenwald <kgradio@[removed]; ]
      The National Recording Company        [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:24:06 -0400
    From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Don LaFontaine died

    Although at first glance you might not consider Don LaFontaine, Mr.
    Movie Announcer, as OTR, try telling that to revered OTR figure Fred
    Foy.  Or, if they were still alive, Norman Rose, Bret Morrison, and
    Jackson Beck.  With his partner Floyd L. Peterson, Don created an
    entirely new type of production and announcing for advertising movies in
    the mid-60s that provided a lot of work for Rose, Morrison, and
    especially Beck amd Foy.  As I told Jackson and Fred, I worked for Don
    and Floyd in 67 and 68 at the same time as they did, although we had
    never met at that time.  Fred's reaction was extremely enthusiastic,
    especially when I told him I had many recordings from the company.  He
    had none of them and was glad to receive them from me.  On the other
    hand, the next year at FOTR, Jackson growled (as only he could) "I was
    having a good day till you mentioned Peterson's name.  That SOB owes me
    a thousand bucks.  Do you know where he is?"  (Jeff Davis later told me
    that Jackson came home from FOTR and looked thru his financial records,
    and sure enough, he was still owed $1000 from Floyd L. Peterson, Inc.
    from around 1968.)

    Although I was only doing studio installation, equipment maintenance,
    and projection and film audio work, I learned a lot of production and
    editing techniques from Don, Floyd, and the rest of the audio producers
    like Windy Craig (later audio engineer on National Lampoon Hour.)  They
    developed ways of manipulating separate announcer, music, and effects
    tracks using separate open reel recorders for each track with precision
    razorblade editing that still rivals computer editing.  They spend days
    on creating one minute spots fitting the words and music into each
    other, re-editing the music to fit the sound of the words and re-editing
    the words to fit the rhythm and dynamics of the music.  Announcers (who
    never heard the music they were going to be fit into) would read and
    re-read the script sometimes a sentence or a word at a time.  Over and
    over repeating the lines different ways until each word sounded like it
    had been composed with the music.  And even then sometimes the words
    themselves might be manipulated, lengthening or shortening vowels,
    stretching or biting consonants.   It is care that was never really
    taken in audio production before then and is still rarely taken even now.

    All of these announcers, especially Don LaFontaine, could do masterful
    jobs of live announcing, after all there was no editing available during
    the OTR era, but these techniques, in the hands of masters, could
    improve on perfection.  And Don continued thru this Summer in creating
    memorable imagery using his voice.  Until my recent retirement I played
    Peterson spots for my audio students as examples of what could be done.
    Don's identity was never really publicly known until last year's GEICO
    TV ad, and it was great to finally have the students recognize who he
    was when one I played one of Don's ads from the 60s.  I had know he was
    ill for a week, and ironically, it was his powerful lungs which caused
    his death Monday.  We'll miss hearing new ads from him, although I guess
    that now his parodist Pablo Francisco will take over his work.

    There's a great obit here:
    [removed]

    Michael Biel    mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:24:21 -0400
    From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Origin of John Reid

    Joseph Ross wrote about his belief that the Lone Ranger's first name was
    disclosed in "A Look To The Future", January 4, 1950.  Of course, only his
    last name was mentioned, as he says.  I believe that a 1966 book titled,
    "Radio's Golden Age - The Big Broadcast", co-authored by Buxton and Owens
    was the source of this myth.  Of course, the writer's inserted it into the
    1980 film but it was never part of the original canon.

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:24:30 -0400
    From: KE0O <oldradiotimes@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Honest Harold vs. Gildy

    Probably like most readers of the Digest, I finally listened to the Honest
    Harold program after I'd finished the entire run of the Great Gildersleeve.
    As is mentioned by just about any review of the series one can read, it comes
    across as a pale and weak imitation of the classic Gildy. However, I'm
    wondering if there might be a few folks out there who happened to listen to
    Honest Harold before listening to any Gildersleeve shows and might be able to
    offer a more untainted opinion of the show
    Ryan Ellett

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:24:40 -0400
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Hornet's sting, er, ring
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    The Green Hornet himself might have been riding on my commuter train this
    morning. Somebody's cell-phone had a ring-tone that played "The Flight of the
    Bumblebee." But, then again, maybe it was an ad for a prescription nasal
    decongestant, this time without Antonio Banderas doing the voice of a catoon
    bee.

    I'll bee seeing you,

    Derek Tague

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:24:48 -0400
    From: <jeddolnick@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE: Early Days of OTR Catalogs

    I caught the bug when WISN-AM in Milwaukee started airing The Shadow via
    Charles Michelson's syndication company in the 1960's. I never heard
    anything like it. Then I used my allowance to buy the Longines Symphonette
    Society LP boxed set on old time radio. I don't remember how I found him,
    but I started buying reels from a great dealer named Don Maris (Norman,
    Oklahoma). I bought the first reel when I was in the 8th grade, 1968. When I
    had enough material, I started trading reels with people all over the
    country. I made a lot of friends, but never met any of them. I traded shows
    until around 1984, when marriage and a new baby cut into my time. I'm now
    transferring those reels to CD, and despite their age I've only had one or
    two that degraded and couldn't be used.

    Jed

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:25:29 -0400
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The kid done good.

>     From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
>     Subject:   old-time radio presentations on DVD

>     Charlie put a lot of time and effort into  producing the discs

    I'd just like to second friend Martin on the quality issue. I just received
    a special disc (a gift for the late Jeff David's family, that I promised  them
    at his Memorial) that our Fearless Leader put together, and it's  a very tidy
    job indeed.

    "Folks, buy with confidence!"

    Best,
    -Craig W.

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:26:08 -0400
    From: Rentingnow@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Click Through Fraud

    In a message dated 8/26/2008 11:04:53 [removed] Eastern Daylight Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

>     According to the tale  McConnell's take was $[removed] the first week.

    That would make about 5000 people in one week. Now did it have to be
    different people?  Or could a few people be hired to come and go and be
    counted.  I
    guess that would be Click Through (the door) fraud.

    This  is the population of Cincinnati during this period. The middle number
    is the  ranking.  Figures by physics department of Boston University. (Why
    they
     were interested in the population of Cincinnati I wonder.)

    1920     16       401247
    1930     17       451160
    1940     17       455610

    This would give a proportion of number of people who allegedly passed
    through the door in comparison to the total population.  It figured out to
    be 1
    percent of the population.  But 5000 people in one week in a drug  store size
    of
    the time would be a lot of people in a small space.

    Don't ask why I am wasting my mental energy thinking about this.   Maybe I am
    just hungering for the lemon-lime-sour for 5 cents I had in one of  those
    cone shaped cups from Moyers Drug in Powell Wyo in the 40's.

    Larry Moore

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:26:18 -0400
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The (audio drama) game is still afoot!

    Dear [removed]

    ...who leaven their OTR  with a soupcon of MAD:

    For info about an upcoming Podcast  (and yes,  even an actual Radio
    broadcast!) of Quicksilver Radio Theater's THE SPECKLED  BAND, please go here:

    [removed]

    (Radio  Drama Revival, by the way, is an excellent showcase for variegated
    new  material.)

    This Award-Winner was one of the last productions authorized  by Dame Jean
    Conan Doyle; is directed by Jay Stern, of FOTR 07's "2000+", and  features
    FOTR
    04's (unbilled) "Sherlock Holmes" -

    -Craig Wichman

    deal here.

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:26:52 -0400
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Our own Old days of OTR

>     From: fmazzar771@[removed]
>     Subject:  Early days of OTR  catalogs

>     These are pleasant memories and I would like to hear your  stories.

    Frank (and gang)-

    Great memories - thanks!

    Your story is much like mine (and I expect, much like many of us.) Though
    mine started in the early '70'[removed]

    I believe that the first OTR I heard was the "semi-bootleg" lp WAR OF  THE
    WORLDS that Welles complained so much about, likely in my HS English or  Drama
    class.

    Then, WOWO Ft. Wayne began to rebroadcast Welles' & Barrymore's classic
    CAROL, on Christmas eves. Next, I think, were a handful of Rezound (early
    Metacom?) cassettes from the Defiance Public Library. As many will attest,
    their
    quailty could be pretty far-from-original-disc; but the shows shined  through!

    As far as mailorder, I used the dealers you mentioned, as well as Dave
    Goldin's RadioYesterYear, our own Jim Harmon, and the usual suspects. But I
    think
    my very first - and pleasant it was, for a young student at NYU! - was our
    own Fred Berney's "Satellite Media."

    Best,
    -Craig W.

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:27:14 -0400
    From: Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Early Days of OTR Catalogs

    There are some old catalogs in PDF format at
    [removed]
    including some of my own when I was a dealer in the late 70s/early 80s.

    I do remember seeing ads for the Longines Symphonette Society records in the
    1960s which piqued my OTR interest, and then in 1972 when WRVR-FM in NYC
    started replaying The Shadow, I started to get hooked.

    Then, at the EJ Korvette's in Scarsdale, NY, I saw some cassettes from
    Pastime Products, and they had other Shadow shows, including the REAL
    commercials! What a find! :)

    I was collecting comics at the time in 1974, and I stated to see some OTR
    there and in various comics publications. I eventually bought cassettes from
    Joe Hehn in Allentown, PA (the name of the company was "Old Time Radio"), Don
    Maris ("Remember Radio" -- who had really close to source shows on reel), and
    collector John Olson (OR), among others. John's catalog had some great
    background on electrical transcriptions and their recording. I found most
    dealers through Jay Hickerson's Hello Again Newsletter.

    But seeing one of the early Maris catalogs at the link above just started a
    flood of memories for me. I was young, fascinated by this hobby, and I had
    hair. Now if I could just collect my hair [removed]

    Regards to all
    Joe Webb

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 17:27:22 -0400
    From: Larry Gassman <lgsinger@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Cisco Kid

    	Hi,
    I am familiar with the basic history of the Cisco Kid on
    Mutual.  Jack Mather and Harry Lang played Cisco and Pancho for the
    most part.  I seem to remember that Mel Blanc told us that he played
    Pancho when Harry Lang had a heart attack.
    However, recently we listened to a disk where Pancho does not appear
    as Cisco's Side Kick.  Instead, we hear Uncle Jose who John and I
    believe is played by Jeff Chandler.
    The show is brought to you by Butternut Bread and the announcer is
    Marvin Miller.  I think this may be a local commercial inserted
    because the show is transcribed.  In fact, Harry Lang is in the
    opening theme as Pancho.
    He does not appear in either episode accept for the pre-recorded theme.

    Can anyone verify this and if so, do you have any further information?
    The episode titles are:
    1.  Raiders Round up
    2.  Colorado River Desperados
    Larry Gassman

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:05:26 -0400
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  9-4 births/deaths

    September 4th births

    09-04-1880 - Claude Cooper - London, England - d. 7-20-1932
    actor: Pegleg Gaddis "Moonshine and Honeysuckle"
    09-04-1891 - Sam Lanin - Philadelphia, PA - d. 5-5-1977
    bandleader: "Ipana Troubadors"; "Benrus Ticksters"
    09-04-1895 - Jack Miller - Dorchester, MA - d. 3-18-1985
    conductor: "Kate Smith and Her Swanee Music"; "Aldrich Family"
    09-04-1898 - Agnes Ayres - Carbondale, IL - d. 12-25-1940
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    09-04-1898 - Charlie Cantor - Worcester, MA - d. 9-11-1966
    actor: Clifton Finnegan "Duffy's Tavern"; Levy Soloman "Abie's Irish
    Rose"
    09-04-1898 - Harry Salter - Bucharest, Romania - d. 3-5-1984
    conductor: "It Pays to Be Ignorant"; "Lanny Ross Show"; "Stop the Music"
    09-04-1903 - Bennie Bonacio - Mineo, Italy - d. 1-10-1974
    saxophonist: Paul Whiteman, Vincent Lopez orchestras
    09-04-1903 - Leonard Lee - d. 8-24-1964
    writer: "Sherlock Holmes"
    09-04-1903 - Phillip Arkansas - d. 11-xx-1969
    saxophonisst: WWNC Ashville, North Carolina
    09-04-1905 - Meade Lux Lewis - Chicago, IL - d. 6-7-1964
    jazz pianist: "Camel Caravan"; "Mercury Theatre"; "Jubilee"
    09-04-1908 - Ed Dmytryk - Grand Forks, Canada - d. 7-1-1999
    film director: "George Fisher Interviews the Stars"
    09-04-1913 - Henry Russell - Michigan - d. 4-14-1968
    conductor: "NBC University Theatre"; "Screen Director's Playhouse"
    09-04-1913 - Jan Savitt - Petrograd, Russia - d. 10-4-1948
    bandleader: "Fitch Bandwagon"; "Rhapsody in Rhythm"
    09-04-1914 - Leonard Sterling - d. 9-18-1992
    announcer: "The Brighter Day"; "We Are Always Young"
    09-04-1918 - Paul Harvey - Tulsa, OK
    commentator: "Paul Harvey News"; "Speak Your Mind"
    09-04-1923 - Graham Archer - d. 1-3-2001
    disk jockey: "Wax Museum"; "The States of the Union"
    09-04-1923 - Virginia Maxey - Indianapolis, IN
    singer: (Modernaires) "Club Fifteen"
    09-04-1925 - Howard Morris - NYC - d. 5-21-2005
    comedian: "Those Good Old Days"
    09-04-1928 - Dick York - Fort Wayne, IN - d. 2-20-1992
    actor: Billy Fairfield "Jack Armstrong/Armstrong of the SBI"
    09-04-1931 - Glyn Frewer - Oxford, England
    writer: "The Hitchhikers"
    09-04-1931 - Mitzi Gaynor - Chicago, IL
    singer, actor: "Juke Box Jury"
    09-04-1934 - Ron Batozech - d. 7-22-1997
    disk jockey: WJOL Joliet, Illinois
    09-04-1936 - Wayne Cody - Atlantic City, NJ - d. 6-7-2002
    Seattle sportscaster
    09-04-1937 - Red Shipley - Johnson City, TN - d. 10-6-2007
    host: "Stained Glass Bluegrass"; "Orange & Blue Review"

    September 4th deaths

    04-25-1918 - Astrid Varnay - Stockholm, Sweden - d. 9-4-2006
    operatic soprano: "Metropolitan Opera"; "Operatic Excerpts"
    06-02-1915 - Walter Tetley - NYC - d. 9-4-1975
    actor: Julius Abbruzio "Phil Harris-Alice Faye Show"; LeRoy Forrester
    "Great Gildersleeve"
    06-09-1908 - Joe Biviano - d. 9-4-1992
    accordionist: NBC Blue Network
    06-15-1843 - Edvard Grieg - Bergen Norway - d. 9-4-1907
    composer: Some of his compositions used as themes
    07-27-1920 - Michael Evans - Sittingbourne, England - d. 9-4-2007
    actor: "Theatre Guild On the Air"
    08-09-1911 - Robert K. McCormick - Danville, KY - d. 9-4-1984
    newscaster: "Robert K. McCormick and the News"
    08-19-1903 - Fran Striker - Buffalo, NY - d. 9-4-1962
    creator, writer: "The Lone Ranger"; "Sgt. Preston of the Yukon"; "The
    Green Hornet"
    09-12-1897 - Richard Maxwell - Mansfield, OH - d. 9-4-1954
    singer, host: "A Friend in Deed"; "Cheer and Comfort"
    09-12-1907 - Louis MacNeice - Belfast, Ireland - d. 9-4-1963
    author: "Christopher Columbus"
    09-15-1915 - John Conte - Palmer, MA - d. 9-4-2006
    emcee: "Maxwell House Coffee Time"; "John Conte Show"
    10-11-1932 - Dottie West - McMinnville, TN - d. 9-4-1991
    country singer: "Country Music Time"
    10-26-1913 - Charlie Barnet - NYC - d. 9-4-1991
    bandleader: "Fitch Bandwagon"; "Saturday Night Swing Session"
    11-16-1920 - Colin Thiele - Eudunda, Australia - d. 9-4-2006
    writer: "Burke and Wills"
    12-12-1917 - Richard Martin - Spokane, WA - d. 9-4-1994
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    12-20-1898 - Irene Dunne - Louisville, KY - d. 9-4-1990
    actor: Susan Armstrong "Bright Star"; "Family Theatre"; "Hallmark
    Hall of Fame"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:05:31 -0400
    From: mmartini@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bold Venture Opening Lines

    Hi,

    Ben Kibler wrote and reminded me that, about a year ago, I said I'd compile a
    list of "opening lines" for all of the Bold Venture programs (since it was
    syndicated, there's really no better way to identify the episodes.)  I wrote
    the opening lines for the first 26 and promised the others.  Then I forgot.
    So here's the next 26:

    27.  Jade!  Jade!
    28.  How soon will Slate be back, Miss Duval?
    29.  That's enough, Sailor, I can't run any [removed]
    30.  Give me another handful of confetti, [removed]
    31.  The next time I come to the bank to make a deposit, [removed]
    32.  Now look, Mrs. [removed]
    33.  This is a dirty night to be out on the ocean, [removed]
    34.  Can you think of anything else to put in this letter to our former guest?
    35.  You busy, Slate?  I'm all finished, come [removed]
    36.  (song) In the Carribees, is a city of grace/ with pretty women all over
    the [removed]
    37.  Well, I don't think it's a lot to ask you to do, Mr. [removed]
    38.  (song) To Havana city, the pleasure dome/ come fellows with [removed]
    39.  Aww, Sailor, now there's a sight that goes to his [removed]
    40.  Awwww, rock me [removed]
    41  We ought to do this more often, Slate, You like window shopping?
    42.  Aww Slate, Trajiho.  Aren't the lights beautiful?
    43.  Can you lift his feet, Sailor?
    44.  (song) In Cuba de grow da banana tree/ tree for you, banana for [removed]
    45.  You've been walking the wrong way.  Mr. John Brachert's place [removed]
    46.  Mr. Slate, I [removed]  What's wrong, King?
    47.  Oh Joy,  Oh, [removed]
    48.  Feels good, huh, Sailor?
    49.  A week, a whole week back in civilization.  You don't know what it
    [removed]
    50.  If I wasn't so tired, Slate, I'd take what's left to the night to thank
    [removed]
    51.  Out of gas, huh?
    52.  Come on, Slate, stop dragging.  Take another hitch in your [removed]

    The final 26 will take me awhile [removed] so I ask your patience!
    -Mike Martini

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:05:45 -0400
    From: John Abbott <mraastro@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Johnny Dollar in Port Norris NJ
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    David:

    The YTJD you are looking for is "The Markey K Matter", broadcast on
    4/21[removed] C. AbbottNote:No
    Trees were harmed in sending this [removed], some electrons along the
    way were inconvenienced.

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:07:35 -0400
    From: Ken Greenwald <kgradio@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  That famous quote

    Paul Adomites asks:

>     Is the famous quote "I like radio more than TV, 'cause the pictures are
>     better on radio" a real thing, locatable and verifiable, or just a snappy
>     line?
>     Off-line replies are okay.

    There may have been many people over the years saying they prefer radio
    because the pictures are better, using different words and sentence
    [removed] but meaning the same thing.
    I do know this much:
    Charles Osgood was quoted in an article on him (from TV TECHNOLOGY magazine)
    in which he said approximately those exact words. I even quoted the article
    here a short while ago because I felt it important that at least one famous
    news reporter (still working on radio and tv) would take the time to express
    his love for a medium that no longer exists (he was, of course, referring to
    the Golden Age).

    (I believe the article was in TV TECHNOLOGY some 2 or 3 months ago. Sorry,
    but I no longer have that issue, otherwise I'd give that exact quote again)

    Ken Greenwald
    See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-at home, work, or on the go.

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    Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 18:07:43 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The National Recording Company

    In the 1960s and 1970s, there was apparently a company known as The National
    Recording Company, located in Glenview, Illinois. President was Frank C.
    Pfister. I am trying to find a little background info about the company, but
    none of the old periodicals I have seem to make much reference other than the
    name of the company. Can anyone fill me in?
    Martin Grams

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