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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2008 : Issue 199
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: OTR reference/source              [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  Fwd: Bill Stulla, RIP                 [ Stuart Lubin <stuartlubin6686@sbcgl ]
  The [removed] is it legal?           [ Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed]; ]
  Dave White Program                    [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  WOW! Radio Trivia                     [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  8-16 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  OTR BIBLES                            [ "thomas heathwood" <HeritageRadio@m ]
  Chicken Heart/Oboler Broadcasts       [ "thomas heathwood" <HeritageRadio@m ]
  July Deaths                           [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  This week in radio history 17-23 Aug  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Lone Ranger Colts                     [ Jim Harmon <jimharmonotr@[removed] ]
  RE: Mistakes on Radio                 [ lshusch@[removed] ]
  Fred Hillman, speaking of The Lone R  [ Stephen A Kallis <skallisjr@[removed] ]
  John Steinbeck radio play             [ <vzeo0hfk@[removed]; ]
  Bob Hope Show of 12-12-39             [ "garyjane" <garyjane@[removed]; ]

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:59:19 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: OTR reference/source

On Peter Boe's question about a definitive resource on old time radio,
the way I like to look at it is if I imagined I was on a sort of otr
desert island and I was allowed, say perhaps, two books to use as my
overall  resource, I guess the two I would pick would be Dunning's
Encyclopedia on the Air and Jay Hickerson's Ultimate Guide.

I agree with Martin Grams Jr. that there is no definitive resource, but
quite honestly, those are the first two I look at when I presented with
a problem at home. Nothing beats being able to go out and do the
research, but given that is not easily available to most, those two
books get my first look.

Why?

Dunning's is by far not complete but it gives a good examination of many
of the available series and even those not easily available. Dunning
researched for many years to try to get the book in good shape. It gives
me both the basic breakdown of show times, networks, production and a
critique of sorts.
(No book can ever be complete, however, which leads to Hickerson's [removed])

Hickerson's book is more dynamic. He redoes the book every year or so;
he also produces supplements with updates. It is, in my opinion, as
close as you will get to the dynamic aspects of a web presence that you
will get in print.

Other books tend toward specific subjects, though there are also similar
"encyclopedias" but none that have satisfied me as Dunning's has.

As to online presence, though it is extremely ambitious, the folks at
the Old Time Radio Researchers Group are probably an excellent source.
They too have their mistakes that need to be fixed (and I hope over time
they will), but in fairness, they are only so many volunteers and they
are doing a lot of different things. Perhaps if they had (and maybe they
do) a sort of oversite group that goes back to the various projects and
tries to make corrections as the others tackle new ones. For the web,
they can be again a good starting point though since we are all human,
not a definitive source. Again, to echo Martin Grams, I don't think
there will ever be a definitive resource of any kind.

Jim Widner

{ADMINISTRIVIA: With all due respect to everyone's opinions, when discussing
resources available on the Internet I can't imagine finding any better than
the one you are reading right now. The Internet OTR Digest is dynamic,
self-correcting, and constantly updated. What more could one _possibly_ ask
for?  --cfs3]

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:59:26 -0400
From: Stuart Lubin <stuartlubin6686@[removed];
To: Old Time Radio Digest Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Fwd: Bill Stulla,  RIP

 William "Engineer Bill" Stulla was on early Los
 Angeles television, but he did do radio, on KFEL and
KOA,
 Denver. He later moved to Los Angeles and was
 on KFI, a radio station.  He was an honorary member
of
 SPERDVAC.  Here is an obituary, run in the [removed]

[removed],0,[removed]

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:59:35 -0400
From: Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The [removed] is it legal?

Greetings to [removed]

I've been listening to this series for the past couple of weeks. It's a
little unnerving listening to it at times -- because it stars Bill Johnstone
and a host of famous Hollywood OTR voices, it's a bit like "The Shadow meets
the future supporting cast of Gunsmoke." :)

It's a good series with a number of famous radio writers like Fine &
Friedkin, Blake Edwards, and E. Jack Neuman.

My question is for the OTR fans who are real life [removed]

The dramatic device that starts the show is a line-up of various scoundrels
arrested that day before an audience of police and witnesses. From listening
to it, in our post-Miranda era, I find it hard to believe that anything like
the way the line-up is used in the show would be illegal. I even find it hard
to believe that it would have been possible in 1950, the general time the
series was aired.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

Regards to all
Joe W

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:01:12 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Dave White Program

Dave White's radio program focusing on old-time nostalgia has changed and can
now be heard at [removed] live at 11 pm every Tuesday night. (11 pm East
Coast).

Beginning Wednesday, September the 3rd, the program will be archived at
[removed].

Anyone wanting to check out his program with interviews from TV and radio
stars can check it out.
Martin

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:01:24 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  WOW!  Radio Trivia

Odd bit of radio trivia I just came across . . . .

July 23, 1958
"Television Programs of America will shortly film a pilot for THE WITCH'S
TALE series, long-running radio series dealing with the supernatural. Alonzo
Deen Cole, who created the original radio tales, will be consultant and story
supervisor of the TV series, with Raymond Levy as associate story editor.

1961 issue of BROADCASTING reported Four Star Productions planning to film a
TV pilot of SAM SPADE with Peter Falk in the lead.

At least we now know that the television rights for the radio programs were
purchased and there was intentions of bringing it to television.
Neat, huh?
Martin

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:01:32 -0400
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  8-16 births/deaths

August 16th births

08-16-1862 - Amos Alonzo Stagg - West Orange, NY - d. 3-17-1965
legendary football coach: "We the People"
08-16-1868 - Bernarr Macfadden - Mill Springs, MO - d. 10-12-1955
calisthentics program on WOR in New York
08-16-1884 - Bess Flynn - Tama, IA - d. 2-28-1976
actor, writer: Mother Moynihan "Painted Dreams"; Tilda "The Gumps"
08-16-1888 - Howard Marsh - Bluffton, IN - d. 8-7-1969
singer: "Buick Presents"; "Evening in Paris"; "Frigidaire Program"
08-16-1888 - Marion Sayle Taylor - Louisville, KY - d. 2-1-1942
advisor: "Voice of Experience"
08-16-1891 - Harry V. "Pappy" Cheshire - Emporia, KS - d. 6-16-1968
actor: "The Old Corral"
08-16-1895 - Lucien Littlefield - San Antonio, TX - d. 6-4-1960
actor: "Hollywood On the Air"
08-16-1896 - Eddie Green - Baltimore, MD - d. 9-19-1950
actor: Eddie the Waiter "Duffy's Tavern"; Jerry "Uncle Charlie's Tent
Show"
08-16-1897 - Margery Barnard - Ashfield, Australia - d. 5-8-1987
writer: "The Watch on the Headland"
08-16-1899 - Glenn Strange - Weed, NM - d. 9-20-1973
singer, actor: "Arizona Wranglers"
08-16-1900 - Walter Kinsella - NY - d. 5-11-1975
actor: Pat Patton "Dick Tracy"; Sergeant Mullins "Mr. and Mrs. North"
08-16-1904 - Ruth Gillette - Chicago, IL - d. 5-13-1994
actor: "Theatre Five"
08-16-1904 - Wesley Beans - d. 12-3-1992
baritone: KFSG Los Angeles, California
08-16-1907 - Mae Clark - Philadelphia, PA - d. 4-29-1992
actor: "Family Theatre"; "This Is Your FBI"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
08-16-1908 - Russell Preston Pike, Jr. - d. 9-9-1995
singer: "The Prairie Knights"
08-16-1913 - Joe Lilley - d. 1-1-1971
orchestra leader: "Drene Time"
08-16-1915 - Al Hibbler - Tyro, MS - d. 4-24-2001
jazz singer: "A Date with the Duke"; "Jubilee"
08-16-1915 - Gloria Blondell - NYC - d. 3-25-1986
actor: Gerry Booker "I Love A Mystery" Gloria Dean "Hollywood Mystery
Time"
08-16-1915 - Rosie Ledford - Pilot, KY - d. 7-24-1976
guitar: (Coon Creek Girls) "WLS National Barn Dance"
08-16-1924 - Fess Parker - Fort Worth, TX
actor: "Guest Star"; "We Hold These Truths"
08-16-1927 - Neil Strawser - Rittman, OH - d. 12-31-2005
newscaster: "CBS World News Roundup"
08-16-1928 - Ann Blyth - Mt. Kisco, NY
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
08-16-1929 - Lois Nettleton - Oak Park, IL - d. 1-18-2008
actor: Patsy Dennis "Brighter Day"
08-16-1930 - Frank Gifford - Santa Monica, CA
sports announcer: "Sonny Liston Vs. Cassius Clay"
08-16-1930 - Robert Culp - Oakland, CA
actor: "Philip Morris Playhouse on Broadway"
08-16-1931 - Betsy Von Furstenberg - Neiheim Heusen, Germany
actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
08-16-1932 - Eydie Gorme - The Bronx, NY
vocalist: Tex Beneke Band
08-16-1932 - Marianne Moylan - Southampten, NY - d. 7-25-1990
singer: (The Moylan Sisters) (Angels of the Airwaves) "Moylan Sisters"
08-16-1933 - Julie Newmar - Los Angeles, CA
actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
08-16-1939 - Carole Shelley - London, England
08-16-1941 - Paul Hecht - London, England
actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"

August 16th deaths

01-01-1911 - Leona Ledoux - d. 8-16-1987
actor: Robespierre Higgins "Baby Snooks"; Bumstead Children "Blondie"
01-08-1935 - Elvis Presley - Tupelo, MS - d. 8-16-1977
singer: "Grand Ole Opry"; "Louisiana Hayride"
01-19-1905 - Oveta Kulp Hobby (Hobbe) - Killeen, TX - d. 8-16-1995
first commanding officer of the wacs: "Meet the Press"
02-06-1895 - Babe Ruth - Baltimore, MD - d. 8-16-1948
baseball legend: "Advs. of Babe Ruth"; "Here's Babe Ruth"
02-20-1929 - Amanda Blake - Buffalo, NY - d. 8-16-1989
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Escape"
03-22-1933 - [removed] McCarthy - NYC - d. 8-16-1995
One of the Great Voices of the Great Lakes at WJR Detroit
04-26-1916 - Frances Robinson - Fort Wandsworth, NY - d. 8-16-1971
actor: Helen Asher "Richard Diamond"; Claire 'Brooksie' Brooks "Let
George Do It"
04-30-1911 - Orin Tovrov - Boston, MA - d. 8-16-1980
writer: "The Brighter Day"; "Ma Perkins"; "Manhattan Mother"
05-06-1913 - Stewart Granger - London, England - d. 8-16-1993
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
05-17-1890 - Harry Balogh - d. 8-16-1961
boxing ring announcer during the 1930s and 1940s
06-02-1913 - Nicholas Saunders - Kiev, Russia - d. 8-16-2006
actor: Sergeant Ross "Martin Kane, Private Eye"
06-14-1894 - Benny Fields - Milwaukee, WI - d. 8-16-1959
actor: "The Ziegfeld Follies of the Air"
06-29-1909 - Oscar Argumedo - d. 8-16-1986
disk jockey: KCOR San Antonio, Texas
06-30-1898 - Carl Pierce - Quincy, MA - d. 8-16-1962
announcer: "Breakfast at Sardi's"; "The Right Thing to Do"
07-05-1879 - Wanda Landowska - Warsaw, Poland - d. 8-16-1959
harpsichordist: "New York Philharmonic"
07-23-1944 - Alex Buzo - Sydney, Australia - d. 8-16-2006
writer: "File on Rod"
08-06-1916 - Phil Leeds - NYC - d. 8-16-1998
comic actor: "Jane Pickens Show"; "Slapsie Maxie Show"
08-10-1914 - Jeff Corey - NYC - d. 8-16-2002
actor: "Nightbeat"; "Escape"; "NBC Presents: Short Story"
08-26-1918 - Dave Barry - Brooklyn, NY - d. 8-16-2001
comedian: "Major Bowes and the Original Amateur Hour"
10-11-1925 - Nancy Guild - Los Angeles, CA - d. 8-16-1999
actor: "Proudly We Hail"
10-20-1882 - Bela Lugosi - Lugos, Hungary - d. 8-16-1956
actor: "Crime Does Not Pay"
11-04-1918 - Jay Jackson - Stockdale, OH - d. 8-16-2005
host, announcer: "Broadway Talks Back"; "Radio Reader"s Digest"
11-08-1900 - Margaret Mitchell - Atlanta, GA - d. 8-16-1949
author: "Gone with the Wind Premier"; "Gone with the Wind"
11-27-1893 - Harry Foster Welch - Annapolis, MD - d. 8-16-1973
actor: "Shell Show"
12-12-1886 - Violet Kemble Cooper - London, England - d. 8-16-1961
actor: "School for Scandal"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:01:45 -0400
From: "thomas heathwood" <HeritageRadio@[removed];
To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR BIBLES
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One newer OTR encyclopedia is the 7 volume ARCHIVES OF THE AIRWAVES by Roger
C. Paulson  published by BEAR MANOR MEDIA
in 2005.  This is possibly the largest accumulation of data of this type ever
assembled.      Tom Heathwood

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:02:03 -0400
From: "thomas heathwood" <HeritageRadio@[removed];
To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Chicken Heart/Oboler Broadcasts
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I have written to Ken Greenwald regarding his information re: Arch Oboler
broadcasts that are in a locked steel cabinet somewhere.
I have encouraged him to identify the extent of the collection and if
particular programs (such as "Chicken Heart" and "The Dark")
exist, and if the "owner" of this collection which Ken says is nearly
complete, would be willing to at least verify which programs he has and why he
does not wish to make them available to collectors.     Tom Heathwood

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:02:11 -0400
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  July Deaths

Deaths in July

xx-xx-1925 - Larry Harmon - Toledo, OH - d. 7-3-2008
actor: "The Great Gildersleeve"
11-20-1919 - Evelyn Keyes - Port Arthur, TX - d. 7-4-2008
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
03-26-1923 - Charles Wheeler  Bremen, Germany - d-. 7-4-2008
news correspondent: "Transatlantic Call"; "A Tribute to Alistair"
11-12-1917 - Jo Stafford - Coalinga, CA - d. 7-16-2008
singer: "Tommy Dorsey Show"; "Ford Show"; "Chesterfield Supper Club"
08-03-1917 - Larry Haines - Mt. Vernon, NY - d. 7-17-2008
actor: Carl Ward "Young Dr. Malone"; Fred Molina "This is Nora Drake"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:02:18 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  This week in radio history 17-23 August

 From Today in History (New York Times) --

8/19

In 1929, Amos and Andy, starring Freeman Gosden and Charles Correll,
made its network debut on NBC.

 From Those Were The Days --

8/22

1947 - After many years as a 15-minute daily serial, Jack Armstrong, the
All-American Boy, was heard for the first time as a 30-minute feature on
ABC. Remember, if you want to grow up to be big and strong like Jack
Armstrong, keep these three rules in mind: Get plenty of sleep, fresh
air and exercise. Make a friend of soap and water, because dirt breeds
germs -- and germs can make people sickly and weak. And for sound
nourishment and keen flavor, eat a big bowlful of Wheaties, the
Breakfast of Champions, with plenty of milk or cream and some type of fruit.

8/23

 From Those Were The Days --

1923 - Billy Jones and Ernie Hare, The Happiness Boys, were heard on
radio for the first time. The two were billed as radio's first comedians
and were also credited with creating and performing the first singing
commercial.

Joe

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:02:32 -0400
From: Jim Harmon <jimharmonotr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Lone Ranger Colts

LONE RANGER COLTS

The Lone Ranger's six-guns were definitely Colts.  In fact, one story told of
how these guns were specifically made for the Masked Man by Samuel Colt
himself.   They were not just ordinary Peacemakers, either.   They had
special advanced features that made them fire faster and straighter than the
Colts of ordinary mortals.  One story-line, a rare serial of several
broadcasts, told of foreign enemy agents trying to steal the guns of the Lone
Ranger so those secrets could be  used in guns for their army.   What a
foolhardy task, trying to steal the guns of the Lone Ranger!   As that song
goes "You don't rip the mask off that ol' Lone [removed]"  and you don't try
to steal his guns either. -- JIM HARMON

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:02:40 -0400
From: lshusch@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  RE: Mistakes on Radio

In response to George Wagner's inquiry about errors in OTRR's offerings,
check out [removed] for a listing of and
a means to submit such errors.

Larry Husch

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:03:41 -0400
From: Stephen A Kallis <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Fred Hillman, speaking of The Lone Ranger's
 armament, observes,

I like to think that they were both armed with Colt
Single-Action revolvers in caliber .45 Colt.  As to the
manufacturer of the Ranger's sidearms, reference is
occasionally made to the "brace of Colts" carried by
the masked man.

As memory serves, they were Colts, but superlative ones.  The Ranger's
guns were so extra-special that one of the many radio premiums was the
Six-Shooter Ring, a 1947 Kis premium.  It used subsize lighter flints to
shoot off sparks when one "fanned" it.  I can't find flints to fit the
ring any more, alas.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:04:06 -0400
From: <vzeo0hfk@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  John Steinbeck radio play

John Steinbeck wrote at least one radio play during World War II. I'm on the
track of possibly getting hold of a copy of the script. If there's interest
in doing a recreation of the show, a friend and I will pursue the matter.
Time may be too short to do it this October. But at the least it could be
ready for next year and for other conventions that take place after October.
(Is the SPERDVAC convention still alive and kicking?)

RSVP to my personal email if you're interested Khovard@[removed]

Craig - you should get one of the first shots if it's possible - I owe you

Howard Blue

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:04:28 -0400
From: "garyjane" <garyjane@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Bob Hope Show of 12-12-39
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I have a disk with the Bob Hope show of Dec 12, 1939 which was filled with
what Hope called "dirty jokes"  In today's world, they are very mild but for
1939 they were apparently risque.  Unfortunately, my disk starts out with
about one minute of uproarious laughter but the opening and the joke are
missing.   Does anyone know if there is a recording that has the entire show?
For those of you who have that particular show among your collection and if
you haven't heard it for a while, I recommend that you take a listen.  At the
end of the show, Hope makes the comment that he may save that particular show
for his finale  as it would be a great way to end.

Gary Schultz

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