Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #28
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 1/25/2001 7:52 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                          The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                             Volume 01 : Issue 28
                        A Part of the [removed]!

                               Today's Topics:

     Age and otr                          ["steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@ho]
     "You Bet Your Life"                  ["A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed].]
     Ages                                 [igsjr <igsjr@[removed];             ]
     Dr. Christian episode                ["Shaun Hayes" <hishaun@[removed];]
     Conrad on TV's Gunsmoke              [Osborneam@[removed]                  ]
     Re: Our [removed]                      [Neal Rogers <nealr@[removed];  ]
     old mics                             [Michael Muderick <am004d@[removed]]
     Pranks                               ["Richard Pratz" <[removed]@home]
     Vintage Microphones                  [Terry King <tking@[removed];    ]
     Jerry Haendiges                      [TROPHYBOB@[removed]                  ]
     Sherlock Holmes                      ["Jackie Lannin" <jackquack@[removed]]
     Re: miniscences                      ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     Re: [removed] age survey        ["JD Whitaker" <jdwhitaker@[removed]; ]
     Various                              [Bruce Dettman <bdettman@[removed]]
     Vintage microphones                  [Bill Harris <billhar@[removed];    ]
     Of color Dragnets and b&w moralizing [John Henley <jhenley@[removed]]
     Sherlock on StarTrek                 [BOBFABRIS@[removed]               ]
     OTR Suspense webpage                 [Mike Mendoza <serpico4@[removed];]
     Ages                                 ["Mike Antonucci" <[removed]@sn]
     Re:Shure 55S                         [Fred Berney <berney@[removed];      ]
     "Buster Brown"                       [Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed]]

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:07:30 -0500
    From: "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Age and otr

    I'm 44 years old, and heard about the Golden Age from my father. I was a
    comic book, science fiction and pulp fan in the sixties, and couldn't really
    find a fandom for otr as such, but picked up what I could when I could.
    Listened to AFN in Germany in my teens, started picking up shows on cassette
    and listened and taped KNX shows, a thousand miles from me--consistent
    fading, but a great treat. My children grew up with Benny, Phil Harris and
    Gracie Allen. As a matter of fact, my senior in high school daughter has the
    lead in "Sorry, Wrong Number" at the moment, a show she's heard many times.
    My wife is currently hooked on the detective shows, I'm going to school and
    plan on producing radio plays soon. The internet has opened a whole world of
    good fellowship and I appreciate meeting all the fans on the list, and
    learning from a great group of people. Otr fans are the best.

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:07:33 -0500
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "You Bet Your Life"

    TV Guide this week says that Groucho Marx's "You Bet Your Life" was mostly
    scripted.  It was never a secret that some material was written for
    Groucho, in case he didn't happen to think of any ad libs at a particular
    time, but I thought the idea of the show was that Groucho had failed on
    radio before, doing scripts, and that this show was designed to take
    advantage of his ability to wisecrack.

    Does anyone have any idea just how much of "You Bet Your Life" was
    scripted and how much was ad libbed?

     A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                        [removed]
     15 Court Square                     lawyer@[removed]
     Boston, MA 02108-2503      [removed]~lawyer/

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:07:35 -0500
    From: igsjr <igsjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ages

    I just turned 37 this past September, but I have been a big OTR fan
    since the 1970s, when the nostalgia boom kicked [removed] Charleston, WV
    radio station broadcast "Lum and Abner" repeats and I remember listening
    to them although I was very young.

    A few years later, a public radio station in Athens, OH started "Goon
    Show" rebroadcasts, which also played a large factor in my becoming
    hooked; NPR also broadcast special tributes to Will Rogers and Stan
    Freberg at that time.  But it was a Marietta, OH station, WBRJ, that
    used to feature OTR programs on their Christmas and New Year's broadcast
    days and that's what cinched the [removed] ordered 3 cassettes from
    Radiola: THE SHADOW, THE LONE RANGER/HAVE GUN, WILL TRAVEL and THE GREAT
    GILDERSLEEVE/OUR MISS BROOKS and played all three of them until they
    were forced to give up the ghost from wear and [removed]

    Since that time, I have become a tremendous fan of "those thrilling days
    of yesteryear" -- the comedy programs remain my very favorites, but I
    also get a tremendous kick out of programs like GUNSMOKE, DRAGNET and
    NIGHT BEAT, which were and still are incredible listening.  I took some
    OTR cassettes along on a recent long drive through the state of Georgia
    and pleasantly passed the time away listening to the adventures of Sam
    Spade and Philip [removed] is truly a hobby that can't be beat.

    Ivan

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:07:38 -0500
    From: "Shaun Hayes" <hishaun@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dr. Christian episode

    I recently received a call from a gentleman who wrote two episodes of Dr.
    Christian.  The one title he remembers is "A Flower For Mother."  Has this
    survived?  Also, is there a log available for this series (especially the
    last few years)?  Any help would be appreciated.

    Shaun Hayes

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:07:41 -0500
    From: Osborneam@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Conrad on TV's Gunsmoke

    Someone mentioned that while William Conrad never appeared on TV's
    Gunsmoke, he directed a couple of the shows.

    He also narrated at least two of them, being the two-part "Women For Sale"
    shows.

    Arlene Osborne

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 09:20:41 -0500
    From: Neal Rogers <nealr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Our [removed]

    Hi everybody:

    I've been lurking here for awhile and thought I would throw in my two cents'
    worth. I've been an old time radio listener and fan since I was 9 years old.
    I am now 46. I am an impulse buyer when it comes to collecting shows. I
    actually started out with a 3 inch Sony reel-to-reel tape recorder and a
    microphone, making up stories and interview shows with my brother. we even
    made up our own commercials. My dad has an old combination record
    cutter/player that was gathering dust in a back room. I drug it out one day
    and started listening to his collection of wartime dance records and there
    in his collection were several discs that he recorded directly from a radio.
    I was fascinated listening to "Your Hit Parade" and "The Chesterfield Hour."
    He told me he used to listen to all the night programs with his radio under
    the covers, so he wouldn't be discovered. Well, I was hooked. Later on, a
    San Francisco station, KMPX-FM used to have a Christmas Eve show that would
    run nothing buy old time radio shows. Also, James Gabbert would present a
    show on KIOI-FM, called the K101 Festival of Radio that would run one half
    hour each night for two weeks. I was in heaven. I finally upgraded my
    equipment to a stereo cassette recorder and another reel-to-reel. I started
    purchasing radio shows on reel-to-reel and still have several boxes of them.
    Sadly, my old tape machine is gone, but since discovering the joys of Mp3, I
    have been downloading many of my favorite shows.

    Now, another dream of mine is being realized. I am part of a group that is
    starting a radio theater company, re-creating and reviving old time radio.
    We have many exciting projects in the works and are currently trying to
    raise the necessary cash to put on our first show in front of a live
    audience. Look for us out there in the World Wide Web at
    [removed]. Once we are fully operational, our previous
    weeks' shows will be on our website.

    My best to all of you out there, no matter what age. Keep the information
    flowing. I'm still learning so much. And thanks to those of you that have
    e-mailed me concerning scripts and other people doing re-creations. Let's
    stay in touch.

    Neal Rogers
    nealr@[removed]
    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:32:24 -0500
    From: Michael Muderick <am004d@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  old mics

    The most popular old mics are the RCA 44 and the RCA 77. Both can be set
    to bidirectional.  The can often be found on ebay, but rarely less than
    $1000.  You can also check some of the radio trade publications, but they
    are not inexpensive.
    Michael Muderick

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:32:26 -0500
    From: "Richard Pratz" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: "OTR (Plain Text Only)" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Pranks

    It's really been enjoyable reading the thread regarding ages. I've already
    added my two cents (I'm 63), so I thought I'd maybe start a new thread.
    Since I witnessed so many pranks played on others as well as myself, I
    always get a kick out of hearing about the hijinks that were played in the
    many studios across the land.  It seemed to me that radio people (at least
    many of them) always had a great sense of humor. As a Pageboy at CBS Chicago
    (WBBM), I recall (I've mentioned this one before) models in their birthday
    suits clad in fur coats, dropping their coats to the studio floor as Howard
    Miller was about to make his CBS Network debut for Wrigley Gum. (It didn't
    phase him a bit).  And of course, the old chestnuts of turning out the
    studio lights leaving announcers in the dark to ad [removed] their copy
    on [removed] outlandish [removed] outrageous [removed]
    various male and female "flashing" incidents, are legion. Perhaps seeing so
    many jokes played on others "toughened" me for the later years (1959-99)
    when I was behind the mike in news. I prided myself on never breaking up
    (unless I wanted to) regardless of what was thrown my way.  Experiencing the
    "fun" of radio was a BIG part of the business to me that it seems was lost
    when accountants began running stations rather than broadcasters.
    [removed] about all the rest of you who worked in or around radio studios?
    What were some of the pranks you witnessed or heard about? This could be a
    fun thread!!

    Rich

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:54:33 -0500
    From: Terry King <tking@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Vintage Microphones

    The good news is that audio pros have come to
    understand the unique qualities of 30's through
    50's broadcast-quality ribbon microphones.

    The bad news is that the prices have skyrocketed.
    And I don't like the use of adjectives like that,
    usually.

    A mint condition RCA 77DX (The 'cylinder with rounded ends'
    that is so familiar) is worth $1500 and up. The smaller
    'rectangular trapezoid' 74B "junior velocity" mikes are
    approaching $1000.  This is not just nostalgia gone wild:
    these ribbon microphones are recognized as having outstanding
    transient response and low transient intermodulation
    distortion. This contributes to their unique ability to
    reproduce "rich" radio voices and sharped-edged percussion.

    The Shure ribbon (Elvis Presley? type) mikes are also excellent.
    I'm not familiar with the 55SH.  The 556 is an excellent slightly
    newer (I guess 50's) mike.  I have one smiling at me on the shelf here.

    I have a 77DX and a couple of 74B's that are currently residing
    at Little Castle Studio here in Vermont, and are used for both
    vocal and percussion recording, where appropriate, along with
    several newer large-capsule condenser mikes.  The 77DX is
    wonderful for rich male voices, in my biased opinion. Anyone
    working on a voice-over project in beautiful Vermont can look at
    [removed]
    to mix pleasure and [removed] (Sorry for the plug!)

    I have resigned myself to not capitalizing on the current
    value of these mikes.  My Dad was a broadcast engineer at WELI
    for many, many years, and I was also, from 1956 to 1974 when
    IBM and computers seemed the Thing To Do. I have 4 old ribbon
    microphones, and 4 kids who appreciate the family history in
    Technology Of The Time: they are all Engineers or BioChemists.
    So the mikes will go to them, and stay in the family a long
    time, I hope.

    Take a look over at [removed] for many discussions of these
    microphones. There are some good sites specializing in them, too;
    I'll try to post [removed]

    Regards,
    Terry King
    ...In the Woods in Vermont at [removed]~tking

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:58:40 -0500
    From: TROPHYBOB@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jerry Haendiges

    I have been trying unsuccessfully to contact Jerry through emails for the
    last month or so and wondered if anyone knew if he is still actively
    maintaining his OTR service. I was a little worried because Jerry has always
    been one of the most cordial and just plain nicest guys I have come in to
    contact with during my time collecting old time radio programs. I guess he
    may be on extended vacation or his email service could be down, but I was a
    little worried about him. Does anyone have any information?
    Thanks.
    Bob Marquette (trophybob@[removed])

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:58:42 -0500
    From: "Jackie Lannin" <jackquack@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Sherlock Holmes

    Hello,
       A little bit off-topic, but about Sherlock Holmes. There is an
    interesting series of books that is recently written by a woman named Laurie
    King.
    They have Sherlock Holmes with a wife! and they solve crimes together. Very
    well written. The titles are " The Beekeeper's Apprentice", "A Monstrous
    Regiment of Women", " A Letter to Mary", "The Moor", "O Jerusalem".
             Jackie

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:31:19 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: miniscences

    Rhiman Rotz notes,

> >     [I]t may be interesting to someone if I mention that as a kid I never

    cared for Fibber McGee & Molly at all, but now they are one of my
    favorites ....<<

    The changing perspective of age and experience can be extremely
    enriching.  This is why some shows still work and others don't.  Some
    things go over the heads of younger listeners while they don't for
    grownups.  IMHO, this is what elevates The Lone Ranger over Challenge of
    the Yukon, for one.  As a 15-year-old, I listened to Pete Kelly's Blues,
    but if I heard it now, I'd really appreciate it.

    On collecting OTR shows, Michael Stein asks,

> >     The only response I have to those who ask is: "I just love it!" Can

    anybody come up with a better reason why we collect these treasures
    beyond what the non-learned might consider reasonable?<<

    Without being confrontational, "I just love it" is more than sufficient.
    One never need have to justify one's hobby.  As a rule, most people who
    aren't "into" whatever the hobbyist specializes in generally can't see
    what's so special about the hobby.  If they shared the interest, the
    question would never come up.

    Chris Holm, asking about the contrast between the radio version of
    Dragnet and the early television version asks,

> >     Speaking of Dragnet, TV Land had a Dragnet marathon weekend last month

    - which I enjoyed very much.  The shows did have that famous Webb black
    and white moralizing and heavy hand directing.  It seems to me that while
    you get some of the same touch in the radio show, it's not nearly as
    heavy.  Do other people feel the same way? <<

    Well, the early TV shows _were_ in black & white.  :-)

    Also, with the radio version, sounds and dialogue were required to paint
    a mental picture that was unnecessary to those looking at an image on a
    13-inch TeleKing.  So the dialogue could become relatively terse.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:31:17 -0500
    From: "JD Whitaker" <jdwhitaker@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: [removed] age survey

    I'm 47 and my earliest memories are listening to radio drama. My parents
    spent my preschool years helping my Grandfather run his revival circuit in
    the midwest. We travelled from town to town in a big flatbed truck and a
    converted school bus that might have been one of the world's first
    motorhomes.

    On evenings we didn't have a tent full of people, we all crowded into the
    cab of the truck to listen to radio shows. The bed of the truck formed a
    piano and pulpit platform inside the revival tent. Three adults and a babe
    in arms in the middle of a farmers field. I don't remember much of the shows
    themselves. What I remember is the excitement and rapt attention of the
    adults.

    My dad later explained that the truck had the best radio. He'd hand selected
    tubes, carefully aligned the RF/IF circuits and wrapped the vibrator with
    friction tape to mute the hum. He'd also mounted a long Highway Patrol whip
    antenna for a better signal. Half an hour before showtime, he'd run the
    truck motor to warm the cab and charge the battery.

    -=JD=-

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:51:44 -0500
    From: Bruce Dettman <bdettman@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Various

    January 25, 2001

    Just a few responses and thoughts.

    1) Regarding Holmes' retirement. You might want to look at a series of
    mysteries by the author [removed] Heard (I believe they were written in the
    1940s) including REPLY PAID and A TASTE FOR HONEY. The protagonist is an
    elderly gentlement, retired and living in the English countryside, named
    Mr. Mycroft. His hobby is bee keeping.

    2)    I don't recall a TV version of "Fort Laramie."

    3)    Regarding Dragnet: A new book, celebrating the 50th anniversary of
    the show, is coming out in the spring. The author is Michael Hyde and I
    believe the title will be "Just the Facts, Mam." Also, regarding Jack
    Webb's transformation in the character of Friday, remember that the
    first TV series (and the radio version as well) were pretty much police
    proceedurals while the later incarnation was more concerned with Friday
    addressing (often in the most bombastic fashion) cultural changes -- all
    of which he detested-- going on in America in the 1960s. It was more
    public relations for the police than a real crime show as it had been in
    its glory days.

    bed

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 11:51:47 -0500
    From: Bill Harris <billhar@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Vintage microphones

    On Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 12:25:21 -0500
    Glenn Kalison <glennkalison@[removed]; posted:

>      I am preferably looking for as many as four mics with
>     updated performance characteristics such as the Shure
>     55SH Series II, but ideally want a bi-directional
>     ribbon mic.

    Check the on-line auctions. There are currently a couple of 55SH mics on ebay
    right now, and an RCA ribbon. Vintage ribbon mics tend to go pretty high as
    they
    are very popular with the microphone collectors.

    Bill Harris

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 12:07:57 -0500
    From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Of color Dragnets and b&w moralizing

    Chris Holm said,

>     Speaking of Dragnet, TV Land had a Dragnet marathon weekend last month -
>     which I enjoyed very much.  The shows did have that famous Webb black and
>     white moralizing and heavy hand directing.  It seems to me that while you
>     get some of the same touch in the radio show, it's not nearly as heavy.  Do
>     other people feel the same way?

>     >From what I saw of that marathon, they showed only the

    color episodes from the 60s, so the following comments
    are based on my assumption that no b&w episodes were
    included.
    I think it's probably a mistake to compare the radio Dragnet
    with the later, in-living-color TV series known variously
    as "Dragnet 1967/68/69/70."
    It would be much more appropriate to compare it with the
    original b&w series of the 1950s, and I'd love to do that more
    authoritatively, but in all this time I've only seen one
    episode of the original, and that was just this past Xmas on
    TV Land's special of 1950s-vintage Xmas shows.  (Along
    with a Dragnet wanna-be, Racket Squad.)
    As I've recently read a good biography of Webb, it seems fair
    to say that although Dragnet did to a degree reflect his personal
    feelings about law and order, in the beginning his obsession was
    only with producing a good show, and boy did he ever.  Nothing like
    it had been heard on radio, and when it moved to TV, nothing like
    it had been seen.  (It's pointed out the original series makes
    frequent use of extreme close-ups, cutting back-and-forth
    between speakers with each line of dialogue.  While that may
    seem jarring and overdone now, in the context of its time -
    with the tiny 5-to-8-inch TV screens then - it was a
    real attention-getter.)
    By the time Webb succeeded in getting Dragnet back on the
    air, times had changed very much.  The Viet Nam war was of
    course raging, marches and demonstrations were daily occur-
    ences, and, inescapably, Webb was older and committed to
    the style he'd worked so hard to establish - which had been
    declared "dated" even as far back as 1960 or so.  In fact,
    it's suggested that Webb's main motive for pushing to get
    Dragnet back on TV was (in addition to his burning desire
    to work) his dismay over the 1965 Watts riots in [removed],
    which made him feel that order was breaking down.  So yes,
    the color Dragnet is less a police procedural than it is a
    Jack Webb polemic.
    To me, it's a shame that all most people know of Webb now
    is based upon the color Dragnet, because it's simply not
    Webb at his best.  It's almost identical to the Amos 'n' Andy
    situation - all that most people know of it is the farcical TV
    show (or 30-min. radio sitcom), which gives quite a false
    impression of what Gosden & Correll were capable of doing.
    To bring this back to OTR:  Jack Webb's real talents are on
    best display in his various radio series.  In the visual arts,
    he's best represented by the original Dragnet, and the
    feature films "Dragnet," "Pete Kelly's Blues" and "The
    [removed]".

    John Henley
    jhenley@[removed]
    ph  (512) 495-4112
    fax (512) 495-4296

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:54:34 -0500
    From: BOBFABRIS@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Sherlock on StarTrek

    Common guys, how could Sherlock be dead??  He showed up on the holodeck
    of the [removed]   Bob

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:54:36 -0500
    From: Mike Mendoza <serpico4@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR Suspense webpage

    I just made several improvements to my Suspense web page, and I was
    wondering if you can tell me what you think of it.

    [removed]

    I value your opinion.

    Thank you,
    Serpico

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:28:41 -0500
    From: "Mike Antonucci" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Ages

     Hi.  I've been reading this great Digest for some time now and this is my
    first post. I'm 43 and been an OTR fan since I was about 12. WTIC in
    Hartford had a great informative monthly program about OTR in the early
    70's with many live interviews . Any body remember it? It would be great
    if those were available. By the way, my 13 year old daughter is now a
    big Jack Benny and Burns &Allen fan, and I found my mislaid Escape
    tapes in my other daughters (14) room.
    Mike

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:26:16 -0500
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:Shure 55S

    I have 3 Shure 55S mikes. Bought two of them new back in the mid '50s. A
    great sounding mike. There were the backbone of my recording studio for
    over 30 years. I bought and sold two Reslo Ribbon mikes, but never parted
    with the Shure mikes.

    Someone gave me another one many years ago. So that is how I ended up with
    three.

    Every so often when I record a job, I take the 55S's with me. They still
    sound great.

    What I would like to find is a working RCA 77D or 44BX. I could have bought
    one years ago for $[removed], now I wish I had.

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    Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:26:19 -0500
    From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  "Buster Brown"

    We often hear OTR actors discuss the difficulty of going from one studio to
    another during days when they performed on multiple shows.  The routes were
    planned down to the last second because frequently  their  assignments were
    "back to back."

    Jerry Maren, who played "Buster Brown" on "Smilin' Ed's Buster Brown Gang,"
    had a different problem. The program was broadcast twice (for airings in
    assorted  time zones), but he had quite a bit of time to kill between
    performances.  He had to wear the "Buster Brown" outfit for both shows
    because they were presented live in front of studio audiences.

    Richard Lamparski  quotes him as saying, "Radio paid [expletive deleted]!
    And every week it cost me four cab rides because there was a two hour gap
    between shows.  I could hardly kill it by shopping or going to a
    restaurant. What do you do on a Saturday morning when you're dressed like
    "Buster Brown?"     [WHATEVER BECAME [removed], Eleventh Series, Crown
    Publishers, 1989, [removed]]

    Jerry Maren, by the way, was the "Lollipop Kid" in THE WIZARD OF OZ.

    Dennis Crow

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