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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 195


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Re: Magic Records
	 I Love A Mystery
	 Re: William Gargam
	 John Brown
	 Re: Martin Kane
	 Re:Martin Kane
	 Who was LeRoy in the Gildersleeve movies??
	 Otr actors in cartoons and magic records
	 JOHN BROWN
	 Green Hornet - Oliver Perry
	 Transcriptions
	 Walter Tetley
	 Joe Penner and the Marx Brothers
	 Capt. Midnight [removed]
	 OTR Lives in Cartoons
	 Re: John Brown
	 The Milton Berle Show
	 Johnny's Magic Adventures
	 Thank you on comments

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:21:06 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Magic Records
Message-Id: <[removed]@dlogics>

Fred Berney <berney@[removed]> writes:
>This is a little off the subject, 

Um, I think I agree with you so I'll try to be brief, but I think this might
indeed be of general [removed]

>When I was a kid, I had a set of 78 records that were called Johnny's Magic
>Adventures. The company who put out the record found a way of placing 4
>separate grooves on a record, so that each time you started the record you
>heard a different groove.
[...]
>Anyway, I just wondered if anyone else remembers those records. I still have
>the set of two records. Never new if the company who made it ever put out
>any more. Kind of a neat idea.

This idea was also used by (I believe) at least a couple of other albums:
I seem to recall a promotional record put out by Mad magazine sometime in
the '60's that had two grooves on one side, so what you heard depended on
exactly where you dropped the needle, and an album from the Monty Python
comedy troupe in the '70's that did much the same thing.

>Wonder how you could do it today with cassettes or CDs.

There is a recently-released CD of music from (or "inspired by" :-) the
Fox TV show "The X-Files" which contains at least one "hidden" track. You
find it by allowing Track 1 to begin playing, then scanning backwards into
the negative world of Track 0, where another tune is hidden. The local Fox
TV station demonstrated this in a news story last month. There are probably
more secrets in the album, too, but frankly I'm a bit more interested in 
OTR than hidden conspiracies; let us get back to it.   :-)

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@[removed]
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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Date: 30 May 96 12:03:29 EDT
From: Bill Slankard <[removed]@[removed]>
To: "OTR@[removed]" <otr@[removed]>
Subject: I Love A Mystery
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

From: Frank_Mallory@[removed] (Frank Mallory)

>>That's easy: "The Case of the Transplanted Castle", from Jan. 6, 1941. 
>>I don't believe this show is in circulation, but I have a synopsis 
>>from the "A1 Gazette".

What's the "A1 Gazette"?

Is there an ILAM fan club?

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 11:40:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: rsheldon@[removed] (robert sheldon)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: William Gargam
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I believe that Craig Stevens was Peter Gunn. I didn't know he played 
Martin Kane before that. But I was even more surprised to learn that 
William Gargan did radio shows after he left Martin Kane, inasmuch as 
I thought the reason he left the show was a speech difficulty due to 
cancer of the esophagus.

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Date: Thu, 30 May 96 12:49:46 EDT
From: filfeit@[removed] (Fil Feit)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: John Brown
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

A quick movie search has John appearing in:
The Life Of Riley (1948) [as Digger O'Dell]
The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951) [as Mr. Barley]
Strangers on a Train (1951) [as Prof. Collins]

And, to correct an earlier post, Walter Tetley was _not_ in
the extremely poor Abbott & Costello film, "A&C Meet The Killer,
Boris Karloff."  They were in the A&C film, "Who Done It," which 
also had William Bendix in it. (But, good or bad, I've watched each
of them time & again anyway.  It's hard to beat A&C on the radio,
tube, or in the movies.)

--f2

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 12:55:32 +0000
From: "George S. Cole" <us030822@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Martin Kane
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

In his comments on Martin Kane, Alan Chapman confused actors Marc 
Stevens and Craig Stevens. It was the suave Craig Stevens who played 
Peter Gunn on TV. I am not sure which of them played Martin Kane on 
the radio.

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 09:53:57 -0700
From: dlock@[removed] (DL)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:Martin Kane
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

As others will probably note, it was Mark Stevens who played Martin 
Kane and Craig Stevens who was Peter Gunn.  The Kane series leads went 
like this: William Gargan originated the role in 1949  and played it 
through the 1951 season.  Lloyd Nolan took over for about a year. Nolan 
was a fine actor, but he had trouble memorizing his lines, which may be 
why he was replaced by Lee Tracy.  Tracy, who played the role until 
'53, would solve the problem of a short show by taking minutes lighting 
his pipe (full of the sponsor's Old Briar tobacco) and shaking out the 
match.  It was amazing how inventive he could be with that match.  
Stevens took over from '53 until the show went off the air.  It came 
back a few years later, sort of.  It was filmed in London for 
syndication with William Gargan back in the role. 

I'm not sure if Nolan also played the part on radio, but seem to recall 
that he did.

Dick Lochte  

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 13:27:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSEXTON@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Who was LeRoy in the Gildersleeve movies??
Message-id: <01I5BGNOMRYQ8WVZGE@[removed]>

   I had already deduced that Walter Tetley was not the LeRoy in the Movies
version of the Great [removed] can someone please tell me who was???
   Also does anyone know whether Walter Tetley was generous about giving his
autograph to fans before his death?? I'd sure like to have one!!
   Tetley was terrific,as was all the radio stars of that [removed] greatly
enjoyed the holiday programs of the GG,as well as Fibber McGee & Molly.
   KIn fact,one of the highlights of the Christmas season was listening
to the many,many great Christmas programs from the OTR regulars of the
50's.
   Thank Goodness, We can all relive those great days [removed] Spirit
for example,has a delightful assortment of Christmas programs for sale.
   Pardon me if I'm rushing things or "plugging" a dealer- It's just
that when I think of LeRoy (Tetley) I think of the  Christmas episodes.
Best, John Sexton (JSEXTON@[removed])

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Date: 30 May 1996 13:38:22 CST
From: [removed]@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Otr actors in cartoons and magic records
Message-Id: <m0uPCaq-000YEKC@[removed]>

Hi, all, since we have been talking about otr and cartoons lets not
forget Alan Reed--Fallstaff on Alan's Alley. He was the voice of Fred
Flintstone in the original series as well as a couple of the full length
flintstone features "The Man called Flintstone" etc. There was also a
series in the 1970's, The Pebbles and Bambam Show that he also did the
voice of Fred on. I also know he did a lot of other bit parts on other radio
shows as well. By the Way, if my spelling is wrong, 
on his name I know some one can correct it for me. Now, about those
magic records. I never saw any with 4 grooves in but there is a Monty
python album with 2 on each side. The first time I played it I didn't
know this and when I played it again I got the other groove. It freaked
me out. I thought I had imagined what I had heard the first time.
It was a crazy feeling.

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 14:54:36 -0700
From: PETER GRECO <pgreco@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: JOHN BROWN
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

HI
   I LIKE TO ADD ONE MORE THING ABOUT JOHN [removed] ALSO APPEARED IN 
THE MOVIE LIFE OF REILY WITH WILLIAM BENDIX MADE IN [removed] IS A QUOTE
FROM LEONARD MALTIN'S MOVIE GUIDE "FEATUE FILM ADAPTATION OF THE POPULAR
RADIO SERIES ABOUT HARD-LUCK WORKING STIFF CHESTER [removed] BITTER-
SWEET THEN SUBSEQUENT TV SERIES BUT ENJOYABLE,WITH THE BLACK COMEDY OF
BROWN'S DIGGER O'DELL A REAL NOVELTY".AGAIN I SAY A TALENT [removed] 
THINK THIS WAS HIS LAST MOVIE ROLE [removed]
              PETE

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Date: Thu, 30 May 96 11:00:54 cst
From: YEEA_at_TORONTO7@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: YEED_at_bcesnads@[removed]
Subject: Green Hornet - Oliver Perry
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

     I've just listened to another episode of the Green Hornet involving 
     his encounter with Oliver Perry, renown detective.
     
     Oliver Perry has suspicion that Britt Reid is the Green Hornet. I'm 
     curious for some background information on O. Perry and what lead him 
     to his suspicion?
     
     I have 3 episodes (Grand Larceny on Wheels, Unexpected Meeting & The 
     Last of O. Perry) involving O. Perry and wondering whether there are 
     more?
     
     Did O. Perry ever become satisfied that Britt Reid and the [removed] were 
     not the same person?
     
     Thanks,
     
     Douglas Yee
     yeea_at_toronto7@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 00:46:00 -0400
From: "Keith Sterling" <sterling@[removed]>
To: otr-request@[removed]
Subject: Transcriptions
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Jack Mann asked about Transcriptions several digests ago and I note 
most of the answers have refered to drama and comedy uses of the "Big 
Discs". AFRS covered the world with programs that way. We used them 
at the Canadian based VORG in Gander Newfoundland which had a 
Canadian and US side on the base. "Mail Call", "Command Performance", 
"Jubilee" and a host of other shows arrived on those 16 inch 
[removed] was unheard of and Wire recorders were rare (and not too 
practical anyway).
However when I got into Radio in '42 transcriptions also carried 
extensive music libraries. We had NBC/RCA's Thesaurus, where I first 
heard Lawrence Welk, and it carried an eclectic supply of music 
featuring: The Jesters, The Merry Macs, Allen Roth and the Symphony 
of Melody, Sons of the Pioneers, Harry Horlick's Waltz Orchestra,Carl 
Kress and Tony Mattola's Guitar duets, Xavier Cugat, Ted Steele and 
his Novachord, the Goldman Band, Carlos Montoya, Charlie Barnet 
and many many more. Incidently the Allen Roth Chorus had a soloist 
(unnamed) who was obviously the later TV Host "Smilin' " Jack Smith.
Other such Transciption Libraries included Lang-worth (which later 
switched to 7 inch LP's,) Standard, UTS, Capitol, (The record 
Company) and World (which was recorded Vertically and played inside 
out).  That's just a partical list but these companies (to which 
stations subscribed) made regular shipments of new discs and a set of 
scripts for daily shows like "Waltz Time", "The Symphony of Melody",
"Church in the Wildwood" and "Novatime".
I've been searching for one of these Libraries or part of one for 
several years. Found a few Thesaurus, and a about 100 of the  Lang Worth 7 
inch discs.  Still Looking. 
10-Q
Dwayne Johns
  aka  Keith Sterling

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 15:25:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: ulrich@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Walter Tetley
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

In OTR Digest #194, Andrew C. Green <acg@[removed]> wrote:

>Speaking of [removed] I asked this last year but got no response; I'll
>try this again. In Fred Allen's film "It's in the Bag", there's a scene
>in a theatre with a loudmouth bellboy (or elevator operator; I'm don't
>remember for sure now) who sounds very much like Walter Tetley. The
>credits were of no help, but there were plenty of other OTR actors in
>the film. Does anyone else who's seen the movie think that was him?

That was indeed Walter Tetley as the elevator operator in "It's In the
Bag". If you don't believe your ears (and eyes, if you've seen photos of
him), his name is listed in the credits as given in the multi-volume film
reference work by Nash and Ross. Tetley also has a non-speaking role as a
kid with a lollipop in the W. C. Fields film You Can't Cheat an Honest Man.
I can't find my database of Walter Tetley's film appearances, but it
contains about twenty-five movies. He usually played a bellhop, messenger,
delivery boy, or elevator operator.

Incidentally, some printings of Buxton & Owen's The Big Broadcast label a
photo of Walter Tetley as "Walter Damrosch"! Other printings have the same
photo correctly labeled. There are also a couple of pictures of Tetley
under "The Great Gildersleeve" in Terrace's Radio's Golden Years.

--Charles

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 18:33:19 -0400
From: Bigkids@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Joe Penner and the Marx Brothers
Message-ID: <960530183318_545951032@[removed]>

When I was a kid my father explained the Joe Penner line to me: "Anybody
wanna buy a duck?" Indeed!

I believe that Groucho Marx responded with "Why a duck?" which involved some
sort of elaborate pun on _viaduct_.

But I never got the full sequence and connection. Wasn't there even a book
called "Why A Duck," about Groucho and/or the Marx Brothers?

Can you clarify this, or will it remain a mystery forever?

Thanks!

Dick Lupoff

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:14:25 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Capt. Midnight [removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

OK, all of you Captain Midnight [removed] is mystery to solve. I
would appreciate email from anyone who can tell me what the coded message is
so that I can get back to the person who sent the note to me.

Thanks.

>I was surfing the net looking for anything on Captain Midnight, the old
radio show.
>In studying a particular episode from September 5, 1946 called "Man Hunt in
Mexico",
>there was a Signal Squadron Session.  Here we go.  Everyone was to set their
>Mirror Flash Codagraphs to master code E7, new for 1946.  First word: 12,
11, 22, 16.
>Second word: 7, 22, 3, 19, 26, 22, 17, 7.  I thought this would be a simple
>substitution to decode this in 1996 without the Codagraph.  For example set
the letter
>E to alphabet position number 7 and decode.  Alas I get jibberish.  Can you
or other
>OTR affecionados help out here?  Maybe someone still has their Codagraph!
>

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          
AOL: JimWidner                            

                                                 

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 21:43:25 -0400
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Lives in Cartoons
Message-ID: <960530214324_404167619@[removed]>

To everyone who has been writing in about OTR references in cartoons, any OTR
fan who likes cartoons should watch the WB show "Pinky & the Brain."  I know
I've written about a few of the parodies this cartoon which stars a mouse
very much like Orson Welles, but for newcomers, some highlights:

1)  The Brain stages a fake invasion of earth by aliens, all throughout
proclaiming, "this is not a hoax for your benefit, this is really happening.

2)  The Brain disguises himself as an OTR character named "The Fog" who has
the power to cloud mens minds.  He invades an OTR set attempting to brainwash
the populace into being his slaves, but is caught in the sound effects (he
has a door slammed on him, hoofbeats pounded on him, hit by a hammer etc.).
 He later decides that mankind has already invented a way to cloud mens minds
-- television.

3)  The Brain tries to raise money for his scheme to take over the world by
shooting commercials.  The director asks him to emphasize "in" before "July"
and he stalks off.

These are the main three I can think of, but almost every time I watch the
show, I see some reference to an OTR character long gone.  It's quite funny
in its own right, Orson parodies notwithstanding.

Also, no one has mentioned that in the Daffy Duck cartoon "Commando Daffy,"
Daffy is fleeing the nazi's and stops to answer a ringing payphone.  He
answers, "Is that you Myrt?"  Also, in the Red Riding Hood parody with Bugs
and the Wolf, Red proclaims "LUV THAT MAN."  I seem to remember a reference
or two to Fib's closet as well, but I can't come up with the exact reference
off the top of my head.

Best, Sean Dougherty

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:30:36 -0400
From: JanBach@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: John Brown
Message-ID: <960530223035_404205839@[removed]>

Hello again --

In a message dated 96-05-30 12:36:57 EDT, Steve Darnell writes:

>as John Doe, the world's most average man, Brown was
>one of the earliest residents of Allen's Alley.

If memory serves me correctly, on the Fred Allen Show Brown also played a
poet named Falstaff Openshaw, a dilettante whose closest spiritual neighbor
in recent memory would have to be Ernie Kovak's Percy Dovetonsils. Perhaps
Steve is referring to the nameless guy that showed up from time to time with
various announcements, much in the manner of Frank Nelson's or Mel Blanc's
various characters appearing on the Benny program.
Steve's other comment about John Brown showing up on the I Love Lucy Show is
interesting and I will have to watch for that one; Desilu employed several
radio actors on their program in the fifties (assuming, I am sure, that they
would make the switch to television more easily than movie actors -- and
worked cheaper!); my favorite is when Janet Waldo (of Meet Corliss Archer and
Ozzie and Harriet) appeared as a teenager on the show, and her boyfriend was
played by Dick Crenna (Walter Denton on Our Miss Brooks). It was strange
hearing these teenage voices -- that sounded so right for the radio roles --
attached to bodies that were long out of their teen years!

Jan Bach
>
>

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 22:40:02 -0400
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Milton Berle Show
Message-ID: <960530224001_546149859@[removed]>

Please someone, who played the continuous role of "Mr. Featherfield" on the
Milton Berle Radio Show? Featherfield was an anemic weakling, always
introduced as a Mr. Macho by Berle. It was really funny; could never be
televised!

BILL KNOWLTON, WCNY-FM "BLUEGRASS RAMBLE", SYRACUSE, UTICA, WATERTOWN NY

PS: For former all-night fans of [removed] Lee Moore, the "Coffee Drinking
Nighthawk" (WWVA Jamboree in 40s thru 60s), Lee is recuperating from cancer
and heart problems in a Troy NY nursing home. The veteran radio star hopes to
play a gig this weekend in Duanesburg NY, south of the venerable WGY radio
tower. 

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 23:53:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mark Kinsler <kinsler@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Johnny's Magic Adventures
Message-Id: <[removed]@bobcat>

If I'm not mistaken, my friend Rob Kaplan had a set of these records. 
Each side was divided into several cuts like those on an LP disk, and the
stylus would pick up one of several interlaced grooves at random.  You
could theoretically get 64 different stories if there were four grooves
and three cuts on a side.  I'm not certain if the version my friend had
were 78's or 33's, though.  Despite the number of possible variations in
the stories, the concept didn't work very well--I don't think any of the
stories were particularly good, contrived as they were so that the 
several segments were interchangeable.  Must have been one heck of a 
recording project.  
                                          Mark Kinsler

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Date: Fri, 31 May 1996 09:10:24 -0700
From: joseph@[removed] (joseph)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Thank you on comments
Message-Id: <v01530500add4c977c72a@[[removed]]>

I wish to thank all those who asked for and read my essay. All your
comments were appreciated.

Joseph M

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