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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 117


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Sex in the 1940s
	 Re: Mass OTR
	 KISMET
	 West Coast Museum of Television & Radio
	 Making love
	 Do you have FTP capability?
	 Re:throw the rascals out
	 IRC CHAT about OTR
	 change-of-address
	 Hello from [removed] Radio Station FM [removed] MHz (Istanbul-TURKEY)
	 Making Love

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 09:47:07 -0800 (PST)
From: roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Sex in the 1940s
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

You were right in your assumption that "making love" had a
far more innocent turn in the 1940s.
We were such innocents that married couples in the movies
were required to sleep in twin beds.
Hell and damn were not to be heard let alone their course
relatives. Gone With The Wind broke a bit of ground which
wasn't to migrate to radio for a long time.
[removed] Fields was very creative in the 1930s with his
"Godfrey Daniel, Mother-of-Pearl!"
Bob Hope managed to get away with some items that
looked innocent enough in script form but took on a
rather scatological(sp?) tone when spoken.
The 40's remind me of the Irish Sex Manual - Bridget Beware!
All the pages were blank.

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 13:23:45 -0500
From: LBohall@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Mass OTR
Message-ID: <960329132345_501102182@[removed]>

I tried to call the number listed in the OTR Digest, but received a message
that it was no longer in service, or had been disconnected. Please post a
corrected number so that *we* can call and voice our opinion re: When Radio
Was. Thanks!--LBohall

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 16:43:49 -0500
From: Ted McKay <tmckay@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: KISMET
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Some years ago (about 1967) a TV version of KISMET was done on Armstrong
Circle Theater on ABC.  Although this was about 10 years before VCR's
became available on the consumer market, I was wondering if anyone in
the OTR Digest family might have a copy.  (or know of one)  The show
starred Jose Ferrer, Barbara Eden, Anna Maria Alberghetti, George
Chakiris, Hans Conried, and featured a walkon by someone modesty does
not permit me to mention!

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 16:49:37 -0500
From: GOpp@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: West Coast Museum of Television & Radio
Message-ID: <960329164936_365356168@[removed]>

I tried posting this message on March 27, but it didn't work for some 
reason, so here it is again:

Someone asked about the opening of the West Coast edition of the Museum 
of Television and Radio.  I attended the Museum's free  "Members Open 
House" on Friday, March 15. (Not to be confused with the $1,000 a ticket 
black tie event on March 17).  In the Radio Listening room there were 
numerous headphones where you could listen in to continuously-running 
tapes of FDR's 1944 Election Eve Program on one channel, the "Jack 
Benny-Fred Allen Feud" on another, and some more recent material on the 
other two channels.  When I tuned to the Benny-Allen channel, Jack was 
introducing ten year old Stuart Canin, who then played "The Bee" on the 
violin.  Ron Simon, the museum's TV curator, who flew out from New York 
for the opening, told me that Canin now lives in Beverly Hills, very 
close to the Museum. 

The West Coast Branch is just a digital copy of what they have in New 
York. No curators -- just computers, monitors, tape machines, headphones, 
and a couple of theaters.  The computer software is easy to use, but 
during the Open House you couldn't request anything you found through 
your computer search -- just a selection of the 500 or so most-requested 
programs.  I'm planning to visit the museum again soon so I can explore 
the collection at my leisure.

I  had an interesting talk with June Foray (the voice of Rocky, Natasha, 
the maiden in Stan Freberg's "St. George and the Dragon-Net", and many 
radio characters), who is recovering from hip surgery but looks and 
sounds terrific and is still working all the time.  

Ken Mueller, the Radio Curator, also from New York, told me that MTR 
hopes  to make its  Web Page more interactive and useful later this year. 
 I told him to check out Lou Genco's website, and to sign up for the OTR 
Digest.  Unfortunately, he doesn't have Internet access at the Museum yet.

It's a beautiful building (transformed from an old Security Pacific Bank 
branch), and as you might expect, everything (and I do mean everything) 
is named after a donor.  I especially liked the view of the Danny Thomas 
Lobby and the Barbara and Garry Marshall Pool from my vantage point on 
the Bud Yorkin Balcony after I climbed the Carl E. Hirsch Staircase.   

- Gregg Oppenheimer

"Self-respect: The secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious" 
- [removed] Mencken

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 17:27:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Kinsler <kinsler@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Making love
Message-Id: <[removed]@bobcat>

> From: SeptSev@[removed]
> To: [removed]@[removed]
> Subject: Linguistics & Making Love
> Message-ID: <960328201714_180495229@mail04>
> 
> Hello Friends:
> I was listening to a tape of Judy Canova the other day, and I heard one
> character discussing "making love to a woman." I've heard this phrase used
> many times in OTR comedy, and felt it was time I went out into the woodshed
> and asked my elders on the Digest to clue me in.
> Now, I'm 42.  To my generation, the phrase"making love" is equal
> [removed] [removed]"all the way."  That's what it means to me.  Now,
> I have to assume it didn't mean the same thing in the 40's.  I mean, it
> couldn't have and still been on the radio.  I'm assuming making love to a
> woman meant the courting and possibly necking end of the ritual.
> Or was it adult code [removed] [removed]
> Would anybody care to comment? I mean, when did "making love" go from a G
>  rating to an R?

I think it's always had a double meaning.  When I was in high school 
somebody put on an old play that used the phrase in its innocent context 
and it got yuks from the highly-sophisticated audience.  This was in 1964
or so.  I think, though, that on radio and in drama, the ambiguous usage 
probably goes back to the 1920's.
                                
                                  Mark Kinsler

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:28:40 -0600
From: Lou Genco <lgenco@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Do you have FTP capability?
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Every so often, I am reminded that not all OTR Digest subscribers have WWW
access, and can't enjoy the WWW goodies I mention here.  I'd like to find at
least a partial solution to that, so OTR Digest readers can access at least
some of the files I have at my WWW site.

One possible solution is the establishment of a FTP area at my site, so you
can do an anonymous FTP to [removed], and download the files.  Of
course, this would only be useful to those folks with FTP capability.

If you do NOT have WWW capability, but DO have FTP capability, and would
like access to some of the more popular OTR-related information files at my
site, send a note to ftp@[removed], and I'll see what ensues.  If your
provider offers WWW, but you haven't taken advantage of it, please indicate
why in your note.


Lou
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WWW page on "Old Time Radio":                   [removed]
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 23:34:57 -0500
From: Joelsiegel@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re:throw the rascals out
Message-ID: <960329233121_458366179@[removed]>

in response to a few notes about stations dumping archival material, it still
goes on, all the time, everywhere. 
Super Bowl I was broadcast on CBS (which broadcast the NFL games) AND NBC
(AFL). No known copy exists because individuals at BOTH networks decided to
reuse the videotape. Hey, they probably saved $50, $100, besides, there's no
place to store the stuff.
By the way AFRS destroyed their 16" transcriptions because they were bound
to, by law (check the disclaimer on the discs that survive). That was their
deal with the commercial networks that provided the program material. We're
lucky, honestly lucky, any OTR and OTV survives other than the programming
designed to be syndicated.

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 23:51:57 EST
From: DFEQ02A@[removed] (MR JOSEPH ANDOLINA JR)
To: OTR@[removed]
Subject: IRC CHAT about OTR
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hey everybody,

Anybody who has MIRC / IRC CHAT access,  I'd like to invite all of 
you to start chatting on that.  I started a subject - "oldtimeradio" 
and so far there's been no grabbers.  Email me personally if you want 
to get some 'conversation' going.  It'd be a great place to meet on 
the internet for great hearty talk about OTR and new drama in real 
[removed]  

I'll also be trying to join in on the YUSA site for their chat room.  
One poster mentioned something like 7PM (was it Central or Mountain 
time?)  Hope to see you there [removed]

Joe

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 21:40:51 -0800
From: AndyBlatt@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: change-of-address
Message-ID: <960329214050_28538481@[removed]>

Beginning tomorrow, my address will change.  As a result of E-World
shutting-down, all of us have to [removed] mail will be forwarded for three
months, but if you want to contact me directly and quickly, please note my
new address:

oldtimerad@[removed]

Andy Blatt
Vintage Broadcasts
42 Bowling Green
Staten Island, NY 10314
1-800-418-1445
(I hope to switch to an internet service provider, but in the meantime, I can
still send and receive e-mail).

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 18:52:02 -0800
From: Suha Calkivik <ituradyo@[removed]>
To: webmaster@[removed]
Subject: Hello from [removed] Radio Station FM [removed] MHz (Istanbul-TURKEY)
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Dear Sirs;
We would like to introduce ourselves first; We are the Turkey's first 
Classical Music Radio Station, first Student Radio Station since 1946 and 
we are broadcasting our programs same seriousity since then. If you send 
us mails program lists, we will be very happy. 
Our WEB addres:[removed]:80/~ituradyo/

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 1996 04:40:51 -0500 (EST)
From: JACKBENNY@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Making Love
Message-id: <01I2XQN0KVNY9C006L@[removed]>

In the 1932 Marx Brothers movie "Horse Feathers", Zeppo sits at the bedside
of Thelma Todd and tell her how wonderful and beautiful she is (and, hey, he
didn't have to have good eyesight to know that).  Todd responds, "Are you
making love to me?"  Zeppo responds "Certainly!" and launches into a chorus 
of "Everyone Says I Love You".  Now granted she was in bed, but that's beside
the point.  Making love at that time didn't even absolutely require touching.
Both were fully clothed, and I don't recall any overt sexual innuendos in
that vignette (Groucho was in the next scene 8) ).

Funny, now that I think about [removed] I've been into old comedy so long, 
the term "making love" meant the above to me first, and I later learned its
interpretation as "going all the way."  Just as I always figured that "getting
to first base" was probably holding hands, and "hitting a home run" was 
probably a passionate kiss.  That interpretation got many yuks from my high
school classmates.  No wonder I never had a date until I graduated [removed]

But enough of [removed] back to our regularly scheduled program.

Laura Lee
International Jack Benny Fan Club

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