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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 235


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Re: OTR for the non-initiate
	 Requests for OTR Demo
	 iNTRODUCTION!
	 Hoppy, Tex, Gabby and Company
	 July timelines
	 on California Carlson
	 L'Amour/Mulford/Wm. Boyd
	  Keely Smith and Sam Butera
	 Fwd: Lone Ranger Broadcast Log
	 Missing an issue

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 05:16:49 -0400
From: ErikS74342@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: OTR for the non-initiate
Message-ID: <960703051647_426724271@[removed]>

In a message dated 96-06-29 10:41:43 EDT, you write:

>Hi
>
>        I have a question.  How did many of you out there in OTR land,
>explain, reveal and get your girlfriend, or wife to accept your hobby.  My
>former girlfriend didn't like OTR and I was forced to listen in secret.
>Please e-mail me with your answer to the most puzzling question.
>
>
>
Dave Nostrand poses a fascinating question, and, well, what the heck. I'm
just daring enough to answer it in public. 

Any hobby seems strange to a significant other if you let it consume you.
Building ships in bottles, collecting telephone-pole resistors, reading comic
books -- yes, anything. But there's one thing about OTR that makes it
palatable to the non-initiate. It was designed for a general audience. Heck,
the best of it sounds like a movie with the picture turned off  -- and only
the most narrow-minded of people hate old movies.

You have to be cautious about this, of course. I mean, revealing an interest
in something as totally strange and obscure as OTR could be seen like an
admission that you really enjoy cross-dressing. So here's the plan: Take the
girlfriend for a drive, a long one. Turn on Rush Limbaugh, or even better,
some of his more strident and less interesting imitators. And when, after 15
minutes or so, she starts to object, say, "Well, you know, I forgot the
tape-box, but I brought along this [removed]"

You know, we could start an entire thread on this subject. What are the best
shows to play for new girlfriends (or boyfriends) when we're traveling at 70
mph and have the doors locked?

Let me suggest a few of the war-horses (to borrow a phrase from the classical
music field):

The Hitch-Hiker (from Suspense)
Sorry, Wrong Number (from Suspense)
Stardust (from Inner Sanctum -- look, I know this isn't the proper title, but
darned if I can't  figure out the right one -- it's the story about the
motorist who keeps picking up the same female hitchhiker who insists on
listening to the same darn tune over the radio, and no matter how many times
he kills her, she keeps showing up at the next streetcorner.)
Murder Castle (from Lights Out)
The Cold Equations (from X Minus One -- actually, just about anything from X
Minus One will do.)
Also, just about anything from Gunsmoke, the Whistler after 1945, Suspense
after 1945, the better episodes of The Mysterious Traveler, and Nightbeat.

These are just a few of the shows that I think might serve the purpose. But
really, I think the more important question is that of the shows to avoid.
 For instance, whatever you do, don't start with "The War of the Worlds."
It's an obvious choice, given its significance in the history of radio. But
the narrative technique, circa 1938, seems alien to today's ears. I don't
know how many of you have caught on to this, but I've noticed a world of
difference between shows recorded before, say, 1943, and those recorded after
about 1945. There's something more fluid in the presentation, something about
the way the sound effects are integrated into the program. I realize that
three of the above programs date from '43 or before, but they are exceptions
to the rule.

Another thought: Comedy dates terribly. I find very little OTR comedy to be
funny today, aside from, say Jack Benny, or on a higher plane, Vic and Sade.
Start your significant  other with "The Life of Riley," "The Fred Allen
Show," or "Duffy's Tavern," and she's bound to look at you with a strange
expression next time you insist on plugging in a tape cassette. It's not that
there's anything wrong with OTR comedy -- it's just that tastes change. Watch
an episode of "I Love Lucy" and ask yourself -- would anyone today find this
to be funny? The humor is too broad, too slapstick. If it wasn't "I Love
Lucy," odds are you wouldn't be watching it in the first place.

The way I see it, only one OTR comedy show offers a worthy introduction (and
I realize many of you don't consider it to be OTR) -- the Stan Freberg Show.
Freberg offered the first throughly modern radio progam, poking fun at
institutions and parodying concepts that remain familar today -- the TV
western, for example. (I've never heard The Goon Show -- but postings in this
digest have led me to believe that it exhibits the same form of "modern"
humor).

Which, ahem, brings me to the weekend before last. Yes, my girlfriend and I
were out for a drive over the North Cascades Highway, from the Tri-Cities to
Puyallup. By golly, I happened to look at my watch -- and it was time for
When Radio Was on KIRO-AM from Seattle. Yes, for two hours she was glued to
her seat -- she had very little choice -- and even she started cackling when
a rerun of Freberg's show came on, the one featuring the sketch "Bang
Gunleigh, [removed] Marshall Field." Wouldn't budge from her seat even when we got
to her place. I had to switch the key to the accessory position, start
draining the battery, and risk a jump-start the next day. But you know what?
It was worth it.

Erik Smith
Kennewick, Wash.

  







   

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Date: 03 Jul 1996 01:39:44 GMT
From: kg@[removed] (KEN GREENWALD)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Requests for OTR Demo
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hello Again!

I want to thank the 7 individuals for requesting my OTR sound demo tape. I
have sent one off already, and will, in the next two days, send off the 6
remaining tapes.  I hope that this demo tape, which includes a 2 minute demo
and 2 complete radio broadcasts from the golden age, will show that ETs are
in full, hi-fi sound when cleaned and properly transferred to master audio
tapes.
One important factor: When I made the 7 demo tapes, I realized that some of
the people who listen to the demo tape may think "Hmmm. Ken may be sending
out the same two radio shows to all the people wanting the demo. Maybe he
picked the best  two sounding tapes he has and sent off those." Well, I want
everyone to know that I sent off two completely different shows on all 7
tapes. No two shows are repeated in any way. 
If those who received the shows report to this OTR Digest, I think it might
be evident that I want people to know that most of the radio shows I dub to
master tape are all different and almost all (not quite all) are in superior
sound.
So, after all that, I want to again thank people for their interest and I
leave my e-mail address open for anyone who wishes to ask me questions about
sound, old time radio shows, etc. 
However, please do not ask for any more demo tapes as I am in the midst of
writing special introductions for the next batch of Sherlock Holmes cassettes
 which will be released shortly.
Happy listening.  KG 

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:23:47 -0400
From: JOBEEDLE@[removed]
To: OTR@[removed]
Subject: iNTRODUCTION!
Message-ID: <960703092347_569190195@[removed]>

Hello:

Just wanted to tell all of you about myself.

My name is Jim Beedle and the e-mail address is jobeedle@[removed] I have been
in the commercial broadcast business for 32 years. 15 of those years was
spent at a division of ABC [removed] was forced to retire due to a small
stroke. Radio stress will do that if you're not cateful.

I live in Garland,Texas about 3 miles north of Dallas. I was introguced to
your service by Ken Piletic of Streamwood, Illinois. I am a Ham Radio
operator (W9NIN) where I used to be a member of the ORCATS. One of my
interests is politics, I am a staunch Conservative Republican!

My collection of OTR numbers about 20,000 hours, all on reel-to-reel. Some of
my favorite shows are Gunsmoke, Fibber and Molly, The Great Gildersleeve. I
like them all, but those are some of my favorites.

I don't know how much input I can offer, but am willing to give it a
[removed] me a line and say hello if you wish.

Sincerely,

Jim Beedle

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:41:54 -0400
From: Bigkids@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Hoppy, Tex, Gabby and Company
Message-ID: <960703124154_347724986@[removed]>

Hopalong Cassidy was created by a "western" writer (actually he spent his
entire life in the New York/New Jersey area) named Clarence Mulford. I
believe that the first Hoppy novel was called, simply, HOPALONG CASSIDY, but
you might want to check me on that.

In Mulford's books, Hoppy was a tough, whiskey-drinkin', tobacco-chewin',
rough-talkin' cowpoke. And he did actually "hop along," thanks to an old
wound or injury. Far from the white-haired, squeaky-clean, avuncular Hoppy
created by William "Screen" Boyd, first in a series of films, then TV shows.
(As well as comic books, Big Little Books, tin lunch boxes, etc., etc., ad
infinitum). It's my understanding that when the movie series ended, Boyd
bought the rights from the studio, who thought there was little or no "after
market" for Hoppy. 

They thought Boyd was nuts, but were happy to make a few extra bucks of a
"dead" character. Boy, were they ever wrong! And Boyd, of course, became
wealthy and famous as a result of the popularity of the TV series with little
tykes.

It's common knowledge in the publishing industry and the book-collecting
world that Louis L'Amour wrote several Hopalong Cassidy novels under the
pseudonym. "Tex Burns." See details in THE LOUIS L'AMOUR COMPANION,  edited
by Robert Weinburg. There is a short essay in this book, describing four
"Hoppy" novels by "Burns."

For more details on Hoppy and Clarence Mulford, see the biography of Mulford
by Francis M. Nevins.

*The appelation "William 'Screen' Boyd" was applied to the actor who played
Hoppy to distinguish him from an older Shakespearean, "William 'Stage' Boyd."
Confusion grew when William "Stage" Boyd appeared in several films. He was
absolutely hilarious as the drunken mad scientist in the serial "The Lost
City."

This serial, incidentally, is also notable for the presence in the cast of a
young/middle-aged actor named George Hayes. Yep, pre-Windy, pre-Gabby, Hayes.

Ain't it all grand?

Dick Lupoff

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Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 13:13:09 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: July timelines
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Just to note to say that I have updated the TimeLines to July. These
holidays have me on a different schedule and thus the delay.

[removed]

For those who are unfamiliar, TimeLines is an audio timeline with Radio as
its subject.  A new one appears each month with information and audio clips
relating to that month.

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Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          
AOL: JimWidner                            

                                                 

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:18:58 -0500
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed], lranger@[removed]
Subject: on California Carlson
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Bruce wrote:
>Hoppy's longest running sidekick was Andy Clyde as "California" Carlson. He
>also assayed the role on the Hoppy radio show. Edgar Buchanan played Hoppy's
>sidekick on TV.

Andy Clyde was California on the Hoppy radio show for what appears to be
about two season's worth of shows.
The "bookshelf" set of Hoppy shows available from Radio Spirits et al.
appears to be from a later 3rd series.  The package says California is
played by Joe Du Val.  A capable actor, but utterly lacking in the charm
that Andy Clyde brought to the role.
According to a recent book about Mulford and his characters written by a
film scholar, William Boyd had promised Andy Clyde that when he took Hoppy
to TV, he'd take Andy/California.  So Andy, who was under contract to
Columbia for his short subject series, left the rest of his schedule free -
and then opened the paper one morning to read that Boyd would shortly begin
production on a Cassidy TV series featuring Edgar Buchanan as a brand-new
sidekick character.
I would presume this is why Andy was "unavailable" for further appearances
as California.
Factual corrections to the above welcomed.

John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
ph  (512) 495-4112
fax (512) 495-4296

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:18:54 -0500
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed]>
To: johnmayer@[removed], otr@[removed]
Subject: L'Amour/Mulford/Wm. Boyd
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

John Mayer wrote:
>BTW, I know that, in the original books (by, I believe, Louis Lamour under
>>another pen name) Hoppy was only one of a number of ensemble characters at
>the 
>something-bar-other ranch; was there a time when he himself would have been 
>considered a sidekick?

Louis L'Amour wrote a handful of Hoppy books in the 1940s, as "Tex Burns,"
after Clarence E. Mulford retired from active writing.  Mulford was the
creator of the whole Bar-20 Ranch saga and wrote the stories for nearly 30
years.
Hoppy was indeed one of an ensemble at first, with the "star" being foreman
Buck Peters, but I don't think Peters stayed as main character for very
long, and Hoppy always was indicated to be the top hand on the ranch, and
the best shot.

You can read the story of how Bill Cassidy became "Hop-A-Long" Cassidy in
the volume titled The Coming of Cassidy and Others, later reprinted as The
Coming of Hopalong Cassidy.

>And did William Boyd ever affect the limp that gave the character his name? 

Only in the latter part of the very first film in 1935, currently available
as "Hopalong Cassidy Enters."

BTW, George Hayes, as "Windy Halliday," was indeed Hoppy's sidekick in that
first picture.

John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
ph  (512) 495-4112
fax (512) 495-4296

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:25:21 -0700
From: bigbands@[removed] (bigbands )
To: otr@[removed]
Subject:  Keely Smith and Sam Butera
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

According to the July issue of the Las Vegas
Advisor([removed]@lva@[removed])


On Monday, I received my July issue of the Las Vegas Advisor. This is a
monthly subscription service that I have received for the last several
years. On page 5 of their newsletter

"Bad news for fans of the Sam Butera/Keely Smith Duo. The two have
reportedly parted ways. They may perform separately."

I called the Desert Inn(where they did perform over the years in the
summertime in their Lounge~ and indeed only Keely is there until July
14th. So where are Sammy and "The Witnesses"?


Without Louie Prima we need these two back together; or else a
tradition is lost forever. The recording will always be there; but the
live stuff is the best.



steve
princeton jct,NJ

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 21:39:04 -0400
From: Weteach2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fwd: Lone Ranger Broadcast Log
Message-ID: <960703213903_230700659@[removed]>

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Forwarded message:
Subj:    Lone Ranger Broadcast Log
Date:    96-06-28 16:45:49 EDT
From:    Weteach2
To:      wdp@[removed]

Greetings!

I read with interest the message from Fred Berney in the V96 #227 issue of
otr digest:

<I was given a large number of tapes that sound like first or <second
<generation of the Lone Ranger. Many of the shows are in <consecutive order.
<The programs are mostly identified by their program number <rather than by
name.

<I've only played them through once, so I don't remember all <the story
lines,
<but I do recall a number of shows that deal with the Lone <Ranger being sick
<and Tonto taking care of him up in the hills.

 I don't know how many of you are aware that a log for the Lone Ranger was
created in 1985 by a man named Terry Salomonson from St. Charles, Mo.  I
ordered a copy of this 100 page detailed log about ten years ago and it has
been invaluable for dating LR shows.  The address was:
  
Terry G. G. Salomonson
[removed] Box 1135
Saint Charles, Mo. 63302-1135

Again, I don't know if he is still selling it, the current cost,  or if the
address is any good any more, but it may be worth sending a SASE and asking.

Happy Trails,
Phil

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Date: Thu,  4 Jul 1996 03:37:31, -0500
From: UGTH94A@[removed] (MR TED   KNEEBONE)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Missing an issue
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Bill:
   Just got home from a 3 week vacation and am saving OTR Digest to my file
manager.  Vol. 96, no. 212 is missing. Would appreciate your re-sending it
to me.  Plan to read much of what I missed while on my trip, but it will
take me awhile. Glad one of your readers clued me in on how to save the
Digest. Someday I want to print out selected parts of certain issues & will
have to write to the man who downloaded the Browser to find out how to do
it!         Thanks.        Ted Kneebone

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