Subject: [removed] Digest V2007 #319
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Date: 11/11/2007 10:18 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2007 : Issue 319
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Wars of the Whirls                    [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      Re: WOTW                              [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Re: War of the Worlds                 [ Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed]; ]
      War of the worlds book by [removed]     [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
      Conrad's height                       [ "Paul Adomites" <padomites@ccyberne ]
      11-11 births/deaths                   [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      WOTW 50th anniversary broadcast       [ Michael Berger <makiju@[removed]; ]
      More on WOTW recordings               [ Ken Greenwald <kgradio@[removed]; ]
      OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK               [ Jerry Haendiges <jerryhaendiges@cha ]

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    Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 12:30:37 -0500
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Wars of the Whirls

    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    Subject:  War of the  Worlds recordings

    Dear Michael-

    Our old pal Mike Rophone, aka Dave Goldin, claimed to have original discs
    (or, near-original), a set of which he said he donated to the Library of
    Congress.

    Best,
    -Craig W.

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    Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 13:23:22 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: WOTW

    On 11/10/07 12:18 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     I and another digest member had been offered a set of WOTW discs at
>     separate times, and both of us noted that the discs were dated as being a
>     1948 dub.  I seem to recall a scan of yellow labels.  Maybe that is what CBS
>     now has.

    I was asked to authenticate this same set of discs eight or nine years
    ago, and the yellow labels were Radio Recorders labels, which would
    definitely not be an original CBS New York recording, since RR was always
    a Los Angeles studio. My understanding has always been that prior to
    acquiring its own equipment, CBS did its inhouse recordings via a direct
    line to Raymond Scott's Universal Recording Company studio at the RKO
    Building, and discs from at least one other Mercury Theatre program (the
    "Dracula" program) have surfaced with Universal labels. These were 16
    inch discs, not 12 inch.

    The existing WOTW recordings were quite evidently not taken from 12 inch
    discs -- there would be disc joins every five minutes if this were the
    case, and even with a precision editing job these would still be evident
    in the audio on a close listening.

    That being so, I'd suggest that the most likely form for the original
    master discs to exist in would as two 16" Universal Recording Company
    linechecks.

    The Murchow discs, as I recall, had no labels -- but they were cut on
    Presto Q-type blanks such as would have been used in 1938. Without
    actually examining the discs in person, that's as far as any
    authentication can go.

    It's entirely possible that more than one set of discs was made at the
    time of the original broadcast -- anyone associated with the production
    could have ordered an aircheck from any of the recording studios in New
    York at the time, but so far as I know, only Universal had a direct wire
    to the CBS line.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:12:22 -0500
    From: Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: War of the Worlds

     James H Arva  writes:

>     this is a community which -- at THAT time -- was filled with pretty
>     level-headed folks only one or two generations away from the farm, and not
>     given to the kind of hysteria generally demonstrated by intellectuals who
>     are often educated way beyond their intelligence. . .

    Fascinating comment. Apparently there would have been less hysteria had there
    been less education. Of course, Cantril found that the single most important
    factor in whether or not people got hysterical was their level of education:
    those with more were less likely to be frightened. But then, what did Cantril
    know? He was probably just educated way beyond his intelligence.

    Alan
    (who, as a college professor, evidently contributes to the propensity for
    hysteria)

    _________________
    Alan/Linda Bell
    Grand Rapids, MI

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Um, yeah, comments on the relationship between education and
    hysteria should be sent to the two posters [removed]'s get back to
    discussing the WOTW program and its aftermath, which if my private email is
    any indication, is interesting to a large group of subscribers.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:33:17 -0500
    From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  War of the worlds book by [removed]

    I have a paperback of the Howard Koch book about "War of the worlds."  Here
    is the full citation:

        Koch, Howard
            The panic broadcast, portrait of an [removed]  New York:  Avon Books,
    1970.
            163 p.

    The cover is more [removed]

        Howard Koch, The panic broadcast: the whole story of Orson Welles'
    legendary radio show Invasion from Mars.  The complete script, with many
    photographs, cartoons and newspaper articles of the astounding aftermath!
        An introductory interview with Arthur C. Clarke.

    >From the verso of the title [removed]

        The play "Invasion from Mars" included in this book was copyrighted in
    1940 Hadley Cantril, renewed (c) 1967 by Howard Koch.
        The hardcover edition of this book was published by agreement with
    Manheim Fox Enterprises, Inc.

        It is such an interesting book that I will probably read it again.

    Ted Kneebone / 1528 S. Grant St. / Aberdeen, SD 57401
    [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:00:05 -0500
    From: "Paul Adomites" <padomites@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Conrad's height
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
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    The definitive -- and I mean definitive -- answer to the burning question "How
    tall was Bill Conrad?" has arrived. To wit,
    (One thing about this discussion group, it can be pretty darned
    authoritative.)

    - -----
    Hello,

    To answer your question, he was, according to his son Christopher, my
    [removed]

    5' 8" ish

    Have a great day.

    Janet Conrad
    - ---

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    Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 23:45:46 -0500
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  11-11 births/deaths

    November 11th births

    11-11-1872 - Maude Adams - Salt Lake City, Utah - d. 7-17-1953
    actor: "Maude Adams"
    11-11-1883 - Wilbur C. Tuttle - Missouri - d. 6-6-1969
    writer: "Hashkdnife Hartley"
    11-11-1885 - George S. Patton - San Gabriel, CA - d. 11-21-1945
    maverick general: "These Are Our Men"
    11-11-1887 - Roland Young - London, England - d. 6-5-1953
    actor: Cosmo Topper "Advs of Topper"; William "Johnny Presents"
    11-11-1891 - Rev. Dr. Walter Van Kirk - Cleveland, OH - d. 7-6-1956
    minister: "Religion in the News"
    11-11-1892 - Al Schacht - NYC - d. 7-14-1984
    sportscaster: ( The Clown Prince of Baseball) "Al Schacht's Sports Show"
    11-11-1897 - James Goss - Chicago, IL - d. 8-20-1976
    actor: Uncle Jim Fairfield "Jack Armstrong, The All-American Boy"
    11-11-1898 - Rene Clair - Paris, France - d. 3-15-1981
    film director: "This Week Around Paris"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    11-11-1899 - Harold J. "Pie" Traynor - Framingham, MA - d. 3-16-1972
    sportscaster: KQV Pittsburgh
    11-11-1899 - Pat O'Brien - Milwaukee, WI - d. 10-15-1983
    actor: Dan Carson "Dan Carson"; "Screen Guild Theatre"; "Family Theatre"
    11-11-1901 - F. Van Wyck Mason - Boston, MA - d. 8-28-1978
    writer: "The Man from G-2"
    11-11-1902 - Webley Edwards - Corvallis, OR - d. 10-5-1977
    announcer, host: "Hawaii Calls"
    11-11-1904 - Joe Penner - Magybecskereck, Hungary - d. 1-10-1941
    comedian: "Joe Penner Program"; "Penners of Park Avenue"
    11-11-1906 - Harry Holcomb - Malta, OH - d. 9-15-1987
    director, narrator: "Curtain Time; "Dr. [removed], The Mental Banker";
    "Moon River"
    11-11-1909 - Bill Demling - Chicago, IL - d. 8-xx-1974
    writer: "Mickey Mouse's Theatre of the Air"
    11-11-1909 - Rad Robinson - Bountiful, UT - d. 9-20-1988
    singer: (Member of the King's Men) "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "King's
    Men"
    11-11-1909 - Robert Ryan - Chicago, IL - d. 7-11-1973
    actor: "Document A/777"; "Hollywood Star Playhouse"; "Suspense"
    11-11-1911 - Patric Knowles - Horsforth, Yorkshire, England - d.
    12-23-1995
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    11-11-1915 - William Proxmire - Lake Forest, IL - d. 12-15-2005
    [removed] senator: "Meet the Press"
    11-11-1917 - Paul Masterson - Montana - d. 5-10-1996
    announcer: "Advs. of Ellery Queen"; "Tommy Riggs and Betty Lou"
    11-11-1917 - Robert J. Shaw - Wisconsin - d. 3-30-1996
    writer: "Mr. District Attorney"; "Advs. of Christopher Wells"
    11-11-1918 - Stubby Kaye - NYC - d. 12-14-1997
    comic, singer, actor: "The Heartbeat of Broadway"
    11-11-1920 - Ruth Brooks - Omaha, NE
    writer: "The Billie Burke Show"
    11-11-1922 - Kurt Vonnegut - Indianapolis, IN - d. 4-12-2007
    writer: "Dimension X"
    11-11-1925 - Jonathan Winters - Dayton, OH
    comedian: "Monitor"
    11-11-1930 - Hank Garland - Cowpens, SC - d. 12-27-2004
    guitarist: "Jim Reeves Show"; "Country Music Time"; "Country Style
    [removed]"
    11-11-1939 - Denise Alexander - NYC
    actor: Francie Nolan "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn"; Debbie Sharp "Big Guy"

    November 11th deaths

    01-27-1885 - Jerome Kern - NYC - d. 11-11-1945
    composer: "Railroad Hour"; "Show Boat"
    02-25-1925 - Lisa Kirk - Charleroi, PA - d. 11-11-1990
    vocalist: "The Henry Morgan Show"
    03-22-1886 - Thomas J. Cowan - Newark, NJ - d. 11-11-1969
    announcer: First voice heard over WJZ
    03-29-1912 - Fred Brady - NYC - d. 11-11-1961
    actor: Himself "The Fred Brady Show"
    04-10-1885 - Sigmund Spaeth - Philadelphia, PA - d. 11-11-1965
    commentator: "Tune Detective"; "Fun in Print"
    04-16-1917 - Jean Holloway - d. 11-11-1989
    writer: "Hallmark Playhouse"; "Mayor of the Town"; "Mr. President"
    05-10-1894 - Dimitri Tiomkin - St. Petersburg, Russia - d. 11-11-1979
    composer, conductor: "Last Man Out"; "1947 March of Dimes Campaign"
    05-26-1912 - Barbara Lee - Denver, CO - d. 11-11-1986
    actor: "Big Sister"; "Valiant Lady"; "Our Gal Sunday"
    07-12-1920 - Keith Andes - Ocean City, NJ - d. 11-11-2005
    actor: "Sears Radio Theatre"
    07-26-1914 - Erskine Hawkins - Birmingham, AL - d. 11-11-1992
    bandleader: "Apollo Concerts"; "Big Band Themes on the Air"
    07-31-1912 - Irv Kupcinet - Chicago, IL - d. 11-11-2003
    sportscaster: WGN Chicago "Chicago Bears"
    08-08- 1900 - Victor Young - Chicago, IL - d. 11-11-1956
    conductor, composer: "Shell Chateau"; "Old Gold Don Ameche Show
    08-29-1899 - George V. Denny, Jr. - Washington, [removed] - d. 11-11-1959
    moderator: "America's Town Meeting of the Air"
    09-24-1919 - Dayton Allen - NYC - d. 11-11-2004
    actor: Phineas T. Bluster/Flubadub "Howdy Doody"; "Words at War"
    10-12-1905 - Jane Ace - Kansas City, MO - d. 11-11-1974
    comedian: "Easy Aces"; "Jane Ace, Disc Jockey"
    10-19-1903 - Robert Hardy Andrews - Effingham, KS - d. 11-11-1976
    writer: "Skippy"; "Jack Armstrong"; "Just Plain Bill"
    12-25-1907 - Cab Calloway - Rochester, NY - d. 11-11-1994
    bandleader: "Quizzical"
    12-28-1932 - Pamela Duncan - Brooklyn, NY - d. 11-11-2005
    actor: "Dangerous Assignment"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:38:25 -0500
    From: Michael Berger <makiju@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  WOTW 50th anniversary broadcast

    I recently heard most of a 3+ hour special broadcast
    of the Chuck Schaden Show from Chicago in 1988 that
    marked the 50th anniversary of WOTW.  Schaden did not
    identify the source of the disks he played that night,
    but did say that the original was a live broadcast
    that was heard coast-to-coast in all time zones.

    Michael Berger

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    Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:45:57 -0500
    From: Ken Greenwald <kgradio@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  More on WOTW recordings

    I may have some additional information that might help the concern over the
    "various" recordings of War of the Worlds:
    Michael Biel did an excellent job of answering Chris Holm's question about
    where the recordings came from.
    This much I do know:  Orson Welles had recordings of the broadcast made for
    his own use. They were, however, 78 rpm recordings. I know this for a fact
    because Welles donated his personal recordings to the PPB Archives, and I
    have seen them. Each 12 inch 78 disc is able to contain only 5 minutes of
    recording. That means 3 discs are needed, recorded on both sides, to equal 30
    minutes of playing time. That is exactly how the discs were recorded. I
    personally doubt the 78 recordings were made off the line while the broadcast
    was being aired.
    More than likely the 78 discs are copy discs that Welles made off the network
    discs. Which network discs from which station, I have no idea. I am assuming,
    perhaps incorrectly, that Welles had the 78s made from 16" ET master discs in
    Los Angeles. I do believe that CBS, as well as NBC, did have record cutters
    by the time of the broadcast. If the released copies of the show are from the
    78s, there is a way to be sure of this. Since the 78s break every 5 minutes,
    that means the sound changes. Playing a 78 from the outside in, gives you
    better sound at the outside of the disc because it spreads the sound over
    longer grooves, thus making the treble and bass more distinct. As the sound
    gets closer to the spindle the sound gets bassy. Now, switch to the second
    disc and the sound will be clearer. If you have a copy of WOTW, clock this
    every five minutes and listen for a change in sound. If there is a change,
    then the copy you have came from 78 discs, probably Welles personal discs.

    About the possibility of there being a recreation made a few weeks later.
    Not likely. No evidence of that. Nyet. Zero. No reason for that to happen.

    Also, there WAS a rehearsal disc made of the show before broadcast. I know
    this because Richard Wilson and Paul Stewart, both Welles assistants on the
    Mercury Theater On The Air (as well as actors) came to PPB and talked about
    the show at our Nostalgia Night. Richard Wilson stated that the rehearsal
    disc was once in his possession. Wilson said that while the rehearsal was
    going on, somewhere towards the middle of the rehearsal, Welles dropped his
    script to the side of his body and said "This is the worst piece of crap I've
    every had to do!" Everyone broke out laughing because it was an unexpected
    statement from Welles and Wilson decided that he wanted to keep the rehearsal
    discs because he loved what Welles had said. Later, Wilson moved to another
    house and lost the rehearsal discs somehow. He said it broke his heart
    because that rehearsal is important in relation to what happened to Welles
    after the broadcast.
    So, YES, there was a rehearsal disc. Wilson talked about it, and Paul Stewart
    confirmed it. That Nostalgia Night was recorded and is in the PPB Archives,
    along with dozens of others. Besides I have copies of other Mercury Theater
    presentations that are rehearsals, including "Treasure Island," and "The 39
    Steps." Little did Welles realize this one show would turn his career around
    and make him a national figure.

    So, one source of WOTW could possibly be Welles personal 78 discs. Another is
    that copies were made off of network discs. Network discs were often made in
    different states in different cities. In other words, even if a line
    recording wasn't made in New York (which I doubt), there could have been a
    line recording made in Chicago, in Detroit, Los Angeles, or at any of the 5
    flagship stations the network had across the nation.

    Ken Greenwald

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    Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:46:07 -0500
    From: Jerry Haendiges <jerryhaendiges@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK

    Hi Friends,

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