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Date: 10/11/2002 9:03 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 400
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Looking for "CBS YOU ARE THERE" Epis  [ James Hunt <jameshunt@[removed] ]
      CISCO'S REAL NAME                     [ Gsgreger@[removed] ]
      Boxcar commemorating KDKA             [ "Harry R. Keller" <hrkeller@earthli ]
      Kennedy LP's                          [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      Looking for "CBS YOU ARE THERE" Epis  [ James Hunt <jameshunt@[removed] ]
      War of the Worlds Press Conference    [ jef olson <jefolson2000@[removed]; ]
      Pirate broadcasters                   [ "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed]; ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      MP3 Player                            [ "Candle" <candle@[removed]; ]
      KEHE Building                         [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      Sam Spade                             [ Kubelski@[removed] ]
      "Talent Scouts", Lenny Bruce, "Biogr  [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      Re: The Movies and OTR                [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      RANDY BLAKE                           [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      Re: Classical music fades; cue "Car   [ ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Fun ]

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:18:25 +0000
    From: James Hunt <jameshunt@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Looking for "CBS YOU ARE THERE" Episodes
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    Sent by:<James Hunt > jameshunt@[removed].
    Thursday, October 10. 2002, 3:15 PM, CDT
    I have, for some time, been looking for  "CBS You Are There" programs
    which, apparently, are very rare. The only
    two I have are on an lp. <"The Attack On The Bastille"> and "The Signing Of
    The Magna Carta". The audio
    quality on both is excellent but the openings and closings of each
    broadcast are missing.
    I recall listening to this series in the mid 40's-1950's?. Im now in my mid
    60's so I may be a little off on my time frame.
    If anyone has some of these shows or can help me locate them, I would be
    very appreciative. Please email me with details
    on arrangements for negotiting a transaction-if applicable. I'm open for
    suggestions.
    Thank you.
    Don Hunt.

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:21:20 +0000
    From: Gsgreger@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  CISCO'S REAL NAME
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    I have been following the recent search for and discussion of the real name
    of the Cisco Kid.  I'm quite confident that this name was never revealed in
    the Jack Mather radio series.

    The only time I've heard Cisco identify himself is in the 20th Century-Fox
    film series starring Cesar Romero.  Are you ready for his impressive "handle"
    as stated in the 1939 film, "The Cisco Kid and the Lady" ?

    GONZALES SEBASTIAN RODRIGO DON JUAN CHEQUELO.

    I'm quite sure the same name is used in the other five Romero Cisco films.
    The name was probably the invention of the film's story writer Stanley Rauh
    and/or screenplay writer Frances Hyland.

    I also seem to recall that Romero's Cisco is Portuguese, but will have to
    view the films again to be sure.

    Gordon Gregersen
    Portland, Oregon

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:26:37 +0000
    From: "Harry R. Keller" <hrkeller@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Boxcar commemorating KDKA

    For my "day job" I work for a magazine that covers O and S gauge model
    railroading. Rarely does my interest in OTR and three-rail trains meet, but
    I thought I'd share a press release from MTH Electric Trains regarding a
    boxcar commemorating radio station KDKA.

    While most list members would probably recognize the Lionel name, MTH may
    be unfamiliar. MTH and Lionel divide probably half of the market for O
    gauge 3-rail electric trains, with the other half being taken by the firms
    Atlas O, Weaver, Williams, and K-Line, so the MTH car is a legit deal.
    Sorry if someone else has already posted this.

    "Exclusive KDKA Boxcar

    At 6:00pm, on Tuesday, November 2, 1920, a few men in a shack changed the
    course of history. Four pioneers, announcer Leo Rosenberg, engineer William
    Thomas, telephone line operator John Frazier and standby [removed] McClelland,
    made their way to a makeshift studio - - actually a shack atop the
    Westinghouse "K" Building in East Pittsburgh - - flipped a switch and began
    reporting electio  returns in the Harding vs. Cox Presidential race. At
    that moment, KDKA became the pioneer broadcasting station of the world.

      From the makeshift shack, KDKA grew into studios in Pittsburgh's William
    Penn Hotel, the Westinghouse building in East Pittsburgh, the Grant
    Building, and in 1956, KDKA Radio moved to the newly-constructed Gateway
    Center - where KDKA Radio and TV are still today.
     >
      The oldest and perhaps the most famous radio station in the world, KDKA
    Radio took part in the first trans-continental broadcast on March 7, 1924,
    broadcast the first major league baseball game, and aired the shocking news
    of the bombing of Pearl Harbor and John F. Kennedy's and Martin Luther
    King's assassinations. In September of 2001, KDKA offered listeners
    "wall-to-wall" coverage of the attacks on America - - and provided the
    KDKA airwaves to listeners who felt the need to talk about this terrible
    act.
     >
      MTH Trains is proud to offer a special boxcar commemorating the worlds
    first and most historic radio station, KDKA. Colorfully decorated and
    featuring KDKA's original 1920's era logo, this limited-edition car is a
    must for all Western Pennsylvania train and radio fans alike. The KDKA
    boxcar is available this holiday season through any of the participatin>
    Pittsburgh Model Railroad Cooperative Train Retailers. Simply click on the
    photo to find the participating MTH-RailKing retailer and add this special
    Pittsburgh area car to your collection.
     >
     >
     > Click on the image to visit the Pittsburgh Model Railroad Retailers
      Cooperative [I tried adding this link, but it wouldn't work. You can find
    the KDKA car at the MTH website, [removed]]. If you live in the
    pburgh area, check your local MTH retailer.

     > Item # 	Description		Price		Delivery
     > 30-74089 KDKA 	Original Logo Boxcar$[removed]                  Nov. '02

    Bob Keller
    Waukesha, Wisc.

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    Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 23:26:52 +0000
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Kennedy LP's

    Martin Grams Jr. asked if there were other recordings of  Kennedy's
    presidency.
    I have a 20th Century Records LP  TFM 3127 entitled "John F. Kennedy
    The Presidential Years 1960-1963". These are audio recordings taken from
    Fox Movietone News of his important speeches etc.

    I also have a Decca LP DL 79116 of "That Was The Week That Was" This was
    a British satirical series that featured among many others, David Frost.
    Commonly known as TW3 it was produced by the BBC and was very popular in
    1963. On Nov. 23rd 1963 they dropped their comedy format and presented a
    very very moving tribute to the late president.
    Of course there is also the Vaughn Meader LP, which I can't seem to lay
    my hands on right now. This was an out and out comedy album called
    the"First Family" with a group doing imitations of the Kennedy family.
    It came out during the early part of his term and was a big hit. So much
    so in fact that during a televised news conference a repoter asked him
    if he had heard the LP and if so what did he think of it? Kennedy smiled
    and said that yes that he and Jackie had listened to it, and that he
    thought it sounded more like his brother Teddy. Big laugh!

    George Aust

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    Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:43:25 +0000
    From: James Hunt <jameshunt@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Looking for "CBS YOU ARE THERE" Episodes

    I have, for some time, been looking for  "CBS You Are There" programs which,
    apparently, are very rare. The only
    two I have are on an lp. <"The Attack On The Bastille"> and "The Signing Of
    The Magna Carta". The audio
    quality on both is excellent but the openings and closings of each broadcast
    are missing.
    I recall listening to this series in the mid 40's-1950's?. Im now in my mid
    60's so I may be a little off on my time frame.
    If anyone has some of these shows or can help me locate them, I would be
    very appreciative. Please email me with details
    on arrangements for negotiting a transaction-if applicable. I'm open for
    suggestions.
    Thank you.
    Don Hunt.

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    Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:12:55 +0000
    From: jef olson <jefolson2000@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  War of the Worlds Press Conference
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    Hello friends-I'm Back! I'm looking for the TEXT (printed transcript) of
    the "morning after" press conference Oct., 31, 1938. Does any one know
    where I can find this on the WWW, or if any of you have it-please email it
    to me. I would be most appreciative. I'm "dramatizing " the newpaper
    stories of the panic-but can seem to find the press conference in its
    entireity-though i know it was filmed. Thank you all.

    Barbara-lost your email addy! Say hi to Bob!

    Jef Olson- West Coast Radio Theater (WCRT)

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    Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:44:09 +0000
    From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Pirate broadcasters

    John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; wrote:

     > Happily,
     > some courageous youths have confronted this tyranny with "pirate" stations.

    You're happy that people are violating Federal law, and possibly interfering
    with legitimate broadcasting as well?

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    Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:44:21 +0000
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

     >From Those Were The Days --

    1936 - Professor Quiz aired for the first time. It was the first
    national quiz show on radio and lasted until 1948. Guests asked
    Professor Quiz (Dr. Craig Earl) questions. If they were able to stump
    the prof, they collected a $25 prize. Professor Quiz announcers were
    Robert Trout and Arthur Godfrey. Sponsors included Kelvinator
    refrigerators, Teel Shampoo and Velvet pipe tobacco.

    1948 - One of radio's last premiering soap operas, The Brighter Day,
    happened this day in Three Rivers. The show centered around the Dennis'
    and their extended family. Some of the sponsors were Ivory Soap flakes,
    Blue Cheer detergent and Hazel Bishop lipstick. The soap opera lasted
    for six years on radio, then moved to TV.

       Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
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    Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:44:53 +0000
    From: "Candle" <candle@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  MP3 Player

    I've been looking for a CD Walkman type portable player, that also plays the
    MP3 format.  I was hoping to get one that I could somehow connect to my car
    radio.  And most of all, it needed it to be able to play my MP3 OTR radio
    programs.  I've found these CD players that also play MP3's were readily
    available at computer and audio stores, COSTCO and Sam's, etc.  But prices
    started at around $[removed], without all the features I was looking for.

    Then one day I walked into Sam Goody's, and they had a CD player package
    that included the cassette insert to be able to hear the CD's through your
    car radio speakers.  Along with a cigarette plug-in attachment to bypass the
    CD players AA batteries.  And it also played the MP3 format.  And it cost
    $[removed] plus tax.  My only problem now was, would it play my MP3 OTR Cd's.
    After reading about the problems some of your readers were having with
    finding a CD player to play their OTR programs I was concerned that I might
    end up doing the same thing.  And Sam Goody's store policy wouldn't let me
    try to play even one of my OTR CD's before I bought the player.  I gambled
    and bought the player.  And it plays my MP3 OTR CD's real fine.  I've tried
    OTR CD's from several different sources, and they all work.  There's a 2
    line view menu, which I wish was larger to see more information on the OTR
    programs on the CD.  But I can live without that.  The player also picks up
    at the OTR program were you left off, as I know one of your readers was
    concerned about.  But, it is at the beginning of that program.  So, I've
    learned to note the minutes and seconds on the player's view menu, if I want
    to go back to that part of the program, if I was going to turn off the
    player, and use the fast forward button to get back to that point.  Of
    course, if the AA battery goes dead ( if your not hooked up to the cigarette
    lighter adapter, or a [removed] amp 110 vt. adapter(not included)), you start all
    over.  The player Label is "Trex personal CD player", and it works for me.

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    Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:45:30 +0000
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  KEHE Building

    "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed]; wrote:

     > In 1936, KEHE was located at 133-141 North Vermont Avenue in the KEHE
     > Building with that identifiable "Streamline" architecture of the 1930's,
    Then the LA Unified School District wanted the property demolished for a school
    playground. (There is a b/w photo of the 1936 KEHE Building in a Google
    search.)"
    The LA Times ran a story about this building a couple of months ago.
    According to the article, there is a lot of opposition to the school
    board's plan to destroy the building.  The school board has been encouraged
    to change the architects' plans, so as to incorporate the KEHE building in
    the new campus. Lawsuits are threatened.

    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:48:24 +0000
    From: Kubelski@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Sam Spade

    I'll echo Ryan's take on the Howard Duff vs. Brand X Sam Spade series.  I got
    into collecting OTR by collecting comedies -- Sam Spade was one of the first
    dramas I started listening to.  The Duff shows are so intricate in their
    details and precise in the storytelling they really do put you right in the
    action.

    It's fair to say that my subsequent interest in radio drama, from Suspense,
    Escape, Gunsmoke, Dragnet, Crime Classics and the like rose from how
    intriguing those Sam Spade episodes were.  And, like Ryan, I was depressed
    when I found out how few episodes existed.  I mean, I've been collecting Jack
    Benny shows since I was 12 and I'm still trying to nail down the last few
    (thanks to Paul, George and all who have been contributing, you're heroes of
    the hobby, by the way).  I think I had all the Howard Duff Spades in about a
    month.

    When that creative team left the series, it wasn't the same. In fact, here's
    a good thread to start -- what do the list experts recommend for a Spade fan
    who's looking for something of that quality in the mystery/detective genre?

    Dragnet is certainly up there.  I love Pat Novak For Hire.

    Any other thoughts?

    Sean Dougherty
    Kubelski@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:50:12 +0000
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  "Talent Scouts", Lenny Bruce, "Biography"

    Sandy Singer accurately pointed out that the "Arthur Godfrey Talent Scouts"
    program did air Lenny Bruce.  His bit was obviously totally unlike that for
    which he ultimately became infamous.  It was a screamingly funny and
    ingenious bit of mimicry and humorous dialogue.

    Sandy agreed with me on what I consider the (mostly) excellent nature of
    the A&E "Biography" of Arthur Godfrey.  I do shamelessly recommend it, and
    not because I contributed a lot of information to the staff which produced
    it, who had the remarkable prescience (some might choose other words) to
    include my talking mug several times!

    In my opinion, along with Art Singer's book, it is certainly the most seen,
    and the most balanced work about Mr. Godfrey since the LaRosa debacle.  I
    would, however, urge anyone viewing that Biography, to listen very
    carefully to Mr. LaRosa in his footage near the end of the program, and
    thoroughly analyze just what he said, and its relative import.  IMHO, it
    stinks!

    I pointed them toward Julie, whom I got to know pretty well and whom I
    like, but I told them I thoought he would not speak with them.  I was
    wrong.   Obviously, Julie recognized the benefit of exposure on that
    popular program.  In our next conversation, the team leader thanked me, and
    said they got a lot of great footage.  Julie went on and on.

    I was delighted for them, and asked if Julie told them that he was not
    really fired, and that the entire affair was his fault, not Mr.
    Godfrey's.  "Yes", was the response.  I asked, "Did you get that on
    film?"  Again the answer was, "Yes".  The obvious question then from me
    was, "Are you going to use that?"  Answer:  "No"!

    No explanation.  In light of the great care for balance and truthfulness in
    the rest of the program, this disgusted me.  But I still urge people to see
    the show.  My caveat:  take the last few minutes with a large dose of salt,
    and reconsider how those few minutes stack up against the rest of the program.

    Lee Munsick

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    Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:48:59 +0000
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: The Movies and OTR

    On 10/10/02 11:39 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

     >Anyway, the experience illustrated the
     >close partnership between Hollywood and the radio industry during the
     >1930s in a way that television has never really duplicated.

    This connection went even deeper -- both NBC and CBS had close corporate
    ties to movie studios during the early part of the decade, with NBC's
    parent RCA owning a controlling interest in RKO Radio Pictures, and
    Paramount-Publix Corporation owning a large block of stock in CBS.

    In NBC's case, this was all a part of the idea of treating the network as
    part of an all-encompassing entertainment conglomerate: performers under
    the management of the NBC Artists Service would appear on NBC radio
    programs, and also in RKO-Radio movies and on stage in RKO Vaudeville.
    Rudy Vallee, Fred Waring, "Seth Parker," and "Amos 'n' Andy" were among
    the NBC acts who were cross-promoted in this way -- and there was even an
    "RKO Radio Pictures Hour" on NBC which heavily promoted RKO films. (This
    series eventually evolved into "Hollywood on the Air," and remained on
    the schedule into the mid-thirties -- always heavily stocked with RKO
    players promoting RKO films.)

    The Paramount-CBS connection was one of the two Paley business deals
    which ensured the network's survival thru the Depression (the other being
    the CBS-Don Lee association on the West Coast.) CBS's original offices
    were located in the Paramount-Publix Building in Manhattan, and Paley was
    able to convince Paramount head Adolph Zukor that a complicated
    stock-swapping deal would be to the advantage of both companies. This
    arrangement led to a Paramount-Publix Radio Hour on CBS during 1930-31,
    and to the showcasing of many CBS performers in Paramount short subjects
    and in the 1932 "Big Broadcast" feature. CBS performers also appeared
    reguarly in Publix Vaudeville.

    Fortunately for CBS, Paley and his advisors had the sense to bail out of
    this partnership just before Paramount-Publix went bankrupt in 1933.
    Ironically, in our own time, CBS and Paramount are again closely
    connected, as units under the Viacom corporate banner.

    Warner Brothers also had a stake in radio. Its ownership of station KFWB
    in Hollywood is well known, but what's less well known is that thru its
    ownership of the Brunswick Radio Corporation, Warners controlled National
    Radio Advertising Inc., a pioneering radio syndication company which
    produced a huge amount of transcription programming during the early
    1930s. There were a number of National Radio Advertising features which
    promoted Warners films and Warners talent -- some of which were sold to
    third-party sponsors as a source of additional revenue. This sort of
    arrangement foreshadows the "Good News" partnership between MGM and
    General Foods during the late thirties, as well as the brief
    Warners/American Tobacco partnership of the same period.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:48:41 +0000
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RANDY BLAKE

    If you're interested in what a dollar cigar [1945] smoking, Chicago
    'hillbilly' looks and sounds like, click here for a surprise:

    [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 11:48:52 +0000
    From: ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Funk)
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:  Classical music fades; cue "Car
      Talk"

    John Mayer may be right about the public station in his town but to
    paint all public broadcasters with such a broad brush of condemnation is
    unfair.  I happen to find "Car Talk" amusing and enjoy it occasionally.
    I also enjoy other public radio fair such as "Market Place," Prairie
    Home Companion" and "This American Life."  I don't enjoy the newbie
    "Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me."  Taste is certainly in the mind of the
    listener.  That was evident in the recent thread regarding best and
    worst of OTR.

      WUSF the NPR affiliate in Tampa still broadcasts classical music for
    the major part of it's broadcast day, probably 15-1/2 hours a day on
    week days and probably longer on weekends. We are also fortunate to have
    a "community" radio station (WMNF)  which gives voice to many musical
    genres and political discourse that aren't covered by the university
    station.  On WMNF there is a good deal of "local" production.

    Regards to all,
    Art Funk
    (who is lucky to live in a city wtih 2 public radio stations and 2
    public TV stations)

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