Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #231
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Date: 7/14/2004 2:54 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 231
                             A Part of the [removed]!
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                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      my son jeep                           [ edcarr@[removed] ]
      Ohio Magazine Article                 [ Udmacon@[removed] ]
      DVD Discs for OTR                     [ "Ron Vanover" <rvanover@[removed] ]
      RE. "Kitty was a prostitute"          [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Re: Onion Skin Paper                  [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Re: My Arthur Godrey Experience       [ "barry" <barry@[removed]; ]
      Olan Soule or Alan?                   [ David Phaneuf <david_phaneuf@yahoo. ]
      Phil Harris                           [ Ken Dahl <kdahl@[removed]; ]
      Re: Benny show                        [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
      Eddie Rickenbacher                    [ wilditralian@[removed] ]
      Gunsmoke Revisionism                  [ art-funk@[removed] ]
      OTR Shows on CD                       [ John DOrazio <radioadventures@yahoo ]

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    Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:08:38 -0400
    From: edcarr@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  my son jeep

    hi
    a question, i looked up the following show in
    jay hickerson book, "my son jeep" it states
    that only  4- 15min programs were
    broadcast, the reason i ask, i have come into
    possession of shows 1, 2, 4 6, and 7 and ea
    is 30min long, i can find no dates on the 16in
    these are afrs, am i overlooking some little
    thing?
    ed

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    Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:09:05 -0400
    From: Udmacon@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ohio Magazine Article

    The July 2004 issue of Ohio Magazine has a fascinating article on the former
    Voice Of Amrerica transmitting facilities that operated at Bethany Station,
    near West Chester and Mason, Ohio (still the site of the historic WLW-AM
    transmitter).

    Plans are afoot for a museum to honor this venerable VOA radio site; the
    station's main building and antenna switch bay still stand.

    The Ohio facilities with its once vast acreage of antenna farms visible from
    I-75 between Dayton and Cincinnati, started transmitting to the world in
    1944. It was silenced in 1995.

    The West Chester Ohio Department Of Parks & Recreation is behind the plans
    for this VOA Museum and Park; they can be reached at 513-759-7305.

    Info on thearticle is at [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:58:20 -0400
    From: "Ron Vanover" <rvanover@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  DVD Discs for OTR

    Mike Kerezman said:

>     The Problem I've run into is getting your stand alone DVD players to
>     recognize them. Its seems a lot of DVD players and HOME THEATER SYSTEMS have
>     trouble recogizing DVD burned as DATA DISCS.

    I ran across this information earlier this week.  It may be useful.

    "CDR-Info, has determined that DVD-R is clearly the most compatible DVD
    recording format on the market. To assess the compatibility level of DVD
    Formats we created video content on a DVD writer using DVD-R/RW and +R/RW
    media. These discs were then played back in other DVD players and DVD-ROM
    drives -over a 1,000 combinations of drive, media and player were tested.

    The content created on a DVD-R/RW writer using a write once DVD-R disc
    played back in virtually all ([removed] percent) of the DVD players and DVD-ROM
    drives used in the research. DVD+R discs played back in [removed] percent of the
    devices tested.

    Since the market for recording to DVD has developed, and different formats
    have emerged, consumers have been concerned about the compatibility of their
    DVD recording devices with DVD players and DVD-ROM drives. The findings
    suggest that for customers who wish to create content on a DVD writer and
    interchange this with other PC drives and consumer DVD players, DVD-R is the
    clear format of choice."

    Ron Vanover
    Ron's 20:1 OTR Trading Post
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    Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:58:48 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RE. "Kitty was a prostitute"
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       I was asked to post this by my friend from Germany:
       "What a coincidence! Did you know that the Nazis had
       a "Salon Kitty" in Berlin? Here SS-trained prostitutes
       did 2 jobs there: while executing their profession they
       had to get top secret information from their "clients" -who
       came from diplomatic and military circles- in their weak moments.
       Every room had a microphone which was linked to disc recording
       machines, yet these discs have never been found. Before the fall of
       the
       communist regimes we supposed they could be in GDR archives. But,
       as said, no one knows anything about them.
       Bernard Wichert, Germany
       b_wichert@[removed]

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    Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 21:59:24 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Onion Skin Paper

    On 7/13/04 6:07 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     I'm amazed too, because ONLY AN IDIOT would type a script on
>     onion skin paper!

    Nonetheless, it *was* done, at least by some programs, for carbon-copy
    purposes. For example, all 4091 episodes of the serial "Amos 'n' Andy"
    consisted of one original and at least two carbons, the latter being on
    onionskin. Usually Charles Correll and Bill Hay broadcast from these
    onionskin copies, with Freeman Gosden working from the original. (And no,
    they didn't drop pages -- the performers worked seated at a table, with
    the pages flat on the table in front of them, and the spent pages were
    quietly slid to the side.)

    Gosden once explained that, for nearly the entire network run of the
    serial, the performers were using up an enormous hoard of onionskin paper
    purchased in 1929 by their secretary Louise Summa, who apparently got a
    deep discount from some Chicago office-supply distriburor for buying in
    quantity. When the paper was delivered, Correll and Gosden were startled.
    "We're glad you got a good deal on it," Gosden told her, "but do you
    really think we're going to be on the air *that long?*"

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:47:52 -0400
    From: "barry" <barry@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: My Arthur Godrey Experience

    Actually I never had an Arthur Godfrey experience but when I was a wee tot
    my Dad did.  He said that he witnessed an accident in which Godrey's wife
    was hit by a truck while crossing the street.  Her back was broken but
    no-one knew that for sure.  Of course they didn't know who she was at the
    time, either.

    Anyway the driver wanted to carry her out of the street and my Dad said no
    that that could be dangerous and he should wait for the ambulance.  The
    driver insisted, my Dad insisted and they got in a fight, in which my Dad
    was seriously beaten up.  But they said later that it saved her life.

    Anyway he says he felt great about it and even more so when he found out who
    she was.  He's was a flight instructor and a big fan of Arthur Godfrey who
    was already big in aviation.

    And then he got a thank you note and a $5 check from Arthur Godfrey.  He
    says he returned the check and the thank you note and made my Mother stop
    smoking Chesterfields, Godfrey's sponsor at that time.  He said he would
    have been overjoyed about the note had there been no check.  Or if the check
    was enough to cover what it cost him.  But he thought a $5 tip was
    insulting.

    I heard this story told a number of times over the years.  I have no doubt
    that it's basically true and even less doubt that there's a bit of
    exaggeration here and there, knowing my Dad.  But he still insists that's
    exactly what happened.

    Barry

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    Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:48:57 -0400
    From: David Phaneuf <david_phaneuf@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Olan Soule or Alan?

    I was hunting the internet for a relatively lesser
    known actress whose star faded in the 50's, and who
    died at the young age of 52, Cathy Downs.  In midst of
    my search I came across a reference to Olan Soule but
    his name is listed as Alan Soule.  Is this merely a
    editorial mistake, or did he sometimes go by Alan?  In
    doing a further search on the name Alan Soule, there
    appears to be numerous sites in which he has this
    name, rather Olan,

    Here is the link to the original site I came upon:
    [removed]

    Listening in,

    Dave Phaneuf

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    Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 23:49:54 -0400
    From: Ken Dahl <kdahl@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Phil Harris

    While surfing the internet, I came upon this site regarding Phil Harris
    [removed]  It gives a time frame for
    events in his personal and showbiz life.  Three things about his life became
    known to me for the first time in my life.  First, he was born in Linton,
    Indiana.  For some reason I always assumed he was born in the south.  Second,
    his full given name at birth was Wonga Phillip Harris (Wonga?)  Finally, his
    adopted son Phil Harris Jr. was born in 1935 and died in 2001.  I never was
    aware of his son.  I knew that Phil and his wife Alice Faye had two daughters
    and often their characters were a part of Phil and Alice's radio program
    series.

    There is one area I am still a little fuzzy about.  How accomplished was Phil
    as a musician?  Did he play one instrument or a variety of instruments?

    Regards,
    Ken Dahl

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    Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 01:01:45 -0400
    From: JackBenny@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Benny show
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    Allen Wilcox writes:

>     When was  the last recorded live Jack Benny show

    Radio show, I presume you mean?  Technically I could be a smart aleck  and
    say they ALL were live, but you probably mean broadcast live.  I know  that
    some
    shows were transcribed for rebroadcast as far back as 1941 on at least  one
    military base.  But as far as the date when ALL shows were transcribed  ahead
    of time and broadcast later has so far eluded me.

    Some may say that it was around 1948 or 1949, because that's the claimed
    date when the proposal was put to Mary to record her lines at home and have
    them
    edited into the show later.  Obviously, a show couldn't be done live on the
    air if post-production editing of Mary's lines were required.  However,
    Mary's remote broadcasts from her bedroom were not a consistent thing, and
    she
    appeared live and in person herself on periodic shows into the 50s.  Were
    any of
    those done live on air?  I don't know yet.

>     and how  long did the reruns play?

    The "Best of Benny" rebroadcasts ran from 10-28-56 to 6-1-58.

    Did CBS  run the shows even when Jack went to television?
    Jack went to television in 1950, so he was doing double-duty with both the
    radio and television shows until 1955.  Very impressive.

    If so I  gues you might have been real lucky to hear him on radio one
    night then to  see him and the gang on tv.
    The television show was on CBS Sunday at 7:30PM from 1950 to June of  1959.
    So people with both entertainment appliances could turn off their  radio and
    turn on their televisions sets for an entire hour of Benny  enjoyment.  The
    radio show often made mention of this.

>     By the  way, did Phil Harris join Jack on his tv
>     program? I know that the rest was  there, but I did not
>     know about Harris.

    Phil left the Benny show in 1952, and very few television shows had been
    done by that time.  Strangely enough, I recently saw the show from  11-4-1951
    with Dorothy Shay, and Bob Crosby walks out and sings a song.   And this was
    almost a year before Bob Crosby took over the orchestral duties  from Phil
    Harris
    on the radio show.  Phil did appear as a guest on the show  of 10-5-58, and I
    need to do more research to confirm which shows, if any, he  appeared on
    before his departure from the regular series.  I've heard he  was on one or
    two,
    but haven't confirmed it yet.

    And let's hear it for OTR Digest members who attend the San Francisco  Silent
    Film Festival!  Good taste extends to ALL media!

    --Laura  Leff
    President, IJBFC
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    Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:39:18 -0400
    From: charlie@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
    and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
    over six years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
    of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
    real-time OTR talk!

    Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
    others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
    range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
    it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
    it's always a good time!

    For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
    week and every week!

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    Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:40:09 -0400
    From: wilditralian@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Eddie Rickenbacher

    David Phaneuf writes about wishing he had discussed Eddie Rickenbacher
    with his elderly friend more.  If he wants to know memories of Eddie, I
    can put him in touch with my wife's uncle, who is 90 and still entirely
    alert and computerized.  A friend of his -- who was an employee of
    Eddie's -- set up a dinner engagement among Eddie and my wife's Uncle
    Jerry and himself.  It seemed that Eddie wanted to begin equipping all of
    his Eastern Airlines planes with communication radios.  Jerry was a radio
    electronics guru, and also a pilot, so, during the course of the evening,
    Eddie hired Jerry to equip all his planes with radios and, when he wasn't
    doing that, fly left seat as a captain.  They became friends, but the
    thing was broken up when Jerry got drafted.  He was expecting a 6-month
    hitch, and then the reserves, and Eddie was hoping to get him back.
    Well, his 6-month hitch would have been over in January of 1942, and the
    Japs had a different idea.  6 months led to a retirement as a full-bird
    colonel.  Eddie then got drafted, too.  After the war they ran into each
    other again at a book signing, and it was a great reunion.

    Regards,

    Jim Arva

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    Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:56:00 -0400
    From: art-funk@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Gunsmoke Revisionism
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    In Digest No. 230 Mike Kerezman compared and contrasted the level of violence
    on the radio and television versions of Gunsmoke.  I'm in general agreement
    with Mike.  I listened to Gunsmoke on the radio for several years before ever
    seeing it on TV.  I've also listened to radio episodes more recently having
    purchased them from several sources.  My opinion is that the radio series was
    much "edgier" than the TV series.  Indeed, William Conrad's Matt Dillon seems
    a rougher even vengeful character in comparison to the one portrayed by James
    Arness.  Chester Proudfoot seems very different than Chester Good.  Doc on
    radio is sounds much less self-assured than on television.  Certainly the
    characters were created by the radio writers but the television writers seem
    to have developed them in different directions than the creators.  Well,
    that's my $.02 worth.

    Regards to all,
    Art Funk

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    Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:50:55 -0400
    From: John DOrazio <radioadventures@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR Shows on CD
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    Looking to buy used copies of OTR Shows, on CD. I'm on a butget,but would like
    to build a collection of OTR Shows for my enjoyment. Thanks !

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