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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2003 : Issue 378
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Hamburger Sandwich [ Clifengr3@[removed] ]
kentuckiana old time radio meeting s [ edward ginsburg <eddieginsburg@[removed] ]
Tyler McVey's memorial [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
Today in radio history [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
Wonderful Smith [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
OTR language idioms [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
OTR Home Transmission FM/AM [ BH <radioguy@[removed]; ]
Ayuh [ Richard Carpenter <sinatra@ragingbu ]
New OTR Book [ Gary Lare <otrman@[removed]; ]
FM Transmitter [ ralph314 <RWARD@[removed]; ]
dialectician query [ zbob@[removed] ]
Your Truly, Johnnhy Dollar [ William Brooks <webiii@[removed]; ]
looking for a future trade [ "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed]; ]
Re: OTR Home Transmission [ Shenbarger@[removed] ]
Re: Pig In a Poke [ Kcpymurphy@[removed] ]
bags vs. sacks [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
Mackey & dialects [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
Regional Dialects [ JimBourg@[removed] ]
FM [removed] [ "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed] ]
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:50:01 -0400
From: Clifengr3@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Hamburger Sandwich
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The recent talk of a "hamburger sandwich" reminded me of another odd phrase
I've heard used that caused me to do a double take. (Please be patient, the
OTR
tie-in comes at the end).
It's in the movie NIAGARA, where the boss's wife, played by Lurene Tuttle,
says, after driving all day to get to Niagara Falls, that she's can't wait to
take a "shower bath."
Where I come from it's just a "shower". Is there anywhere in the US (or
Canada) today where standing under a stream of hot water is called a "shower
bath?"
Now you probably thought that the OTR tie-in was that the speaker of the
phrase was Lurene Tuttle, the gushingly innocent and sweet-voiced secretary
to Sam
Spade, but you're only half right. Her husband in the movie, and the jovial
Nabisco Shredded Wheat executive, is played by none other then Don Wilson.
I recommend the movie, available on VHS and DVD, to anyone who wants to check
out these two radio stars on the Silver Screen. And it's a really good
suspense movie too, filmed entirely on location in Niagara Falls, Ontario.
Oh, by
the way, Marilyn Monroe stars and is sensational!
Jim Yellen
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:45:16 -0400
From: edward ginsburg <eddieginsburg@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: kentuckiana old time radio meeting set for
10-19-03
When:
9:30am
Where:
Dillon's Steakhouse,
the corner of Taylorsville Road and Hurstbourne lane
in Louisville
What is it?
Just a group of old time radio fanatics that talk about old radio, old movies
and tv
swap radio shows and just have a relaxed good time
Please join [removed] informal meetings have no real agenda
we just enjoy the nostalgia, it ususally ends before noon
feel free to come on time or late, we would be glad to see you
Refreshments are served ($5 is requested of all-coffee, orange juice and
sweetrolls are served)
for further info please call me @ 502-451-0071
thanks
eddie ginsburg
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:48:16 -0400
From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Tyler McVey's memorial
Just a reminder that Tyler McVey's memorial that AFTRA is hosting will be
tomorrow morning (Saturday) at 10 am at the First Christian Church at the
corner of Moorpark and Colfax in North Hollywood.
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:50:04 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in radio history
From Those Were The Days --
10/17
1919 - The Radio Corporation of America (RCA) was formed.
1938 - This was a big day in Tinseltown. NBC moved to the corner of
Sunset and Vine, the 'Crossroads of the World'. The new Hollywood Radio
City drew thousands of visitors ready to fill studio-audience seats for
popular radio programs.
10/18
1922 - As the British observed the wild growth of radio in the [removed],
they realized the potential of broadcasting in their own country, as
well as the need for its regulation. The British Broadcasting
Corporation (BBC) was established on this day to monitor the development
of the radio biz in Great Britain.
1943 - The first broadcast of Perry Mason was presented on CBS. In the
15-minute (Monday-Friday) shows, Perry was played by Barlett Robinson,
Santos Ortega, Donald Briggs and John Larkin.
10/19
1937 - "The freedom of the press is a flaming sword. Use it justly, hold
it high, guard it well." The radio classic, Big Town, made its debut on
CBS radio. Star reporters at the Illustrated Press, Steve Wilson and
Lorelei Kilbourne, were played by Edward G. Robinson and Claire Trevor.
Tell the Story was the theme song. Sponsors included Ironized Yeast
tablets and Lifebuoy soap.
Joe
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:50:53 -0400
From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Wonderful Smith
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David Malvin asks:
Can anyone help me find copies of broadcasts featuring Wonderful Smith?
Wonderful Smith is a very talented comedian and monologist who got his first
big break in a Duke Ellington musical called Jump For Joy that played the
Mayan theater in Hollywood in 1941.
While I have not run across any recordings of this performer, I
did locate a reference to him in the July 1947 issue of Radio Mirror
magazine, when I was at the Library of American Broadcasting at the
University of Maryland, doing research on my upcoming book, "Private
Eyelashes: Radio's Lady Detectives." The short piece on "Wonderful
Smith" stated he was the son of Martha Bell and Samuel Smith of
Arkansas. It credits him with reoccurring roles then (1947) on the Red
Skelton radio show. It further stated he was originally in two Earl
Carroll reviews: "World's Finest" and "Jumpin' For Joy."
Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:29:30 -0400
From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR language idioms
I've noticed several of these on OTR myself. Mostly
used on shows like "Our Miss Brooks" and "Amos n' Andy".
Here are some of the ones I've noticed:
Pantry/Cabinet- a raised area which provides storage for
various types of non perishable foodstuffs.
Breakfront/Buffet- used to refer to a piece of kitchen/dining
room furniture used to store such items as napkins, table
cloths, and the like.
Drawers-used to refer a clothing item as well as a storage
area for cutlery
Duvay(sp?)/Sofa/Couch/Settee/Davenport- a piece of furniture
usually found in one's living room used to lounge upon.
Trash/Garbage
Blackboard/Chalkboard
Highboy/Armoire
Supper/Dinner- I heard an explanation last weekend of the
difference between these terms on a BBC comedy rerun ("Are
You Being Served?"). It was as follows: 'Supper is a meal
enjoyed by the working class (blue collar workers). Dinner
is the name used by the upper classes to refer to the final meal
of the day.'
Bathing costume/Bathing suit
I believe many of these items, as well as others, aren't
entirely
the product of various regional idioms, but the times and placement
of the particular OTR stories. For example, during Sherlock Holmes
time, swimwear was refered to as 'bathing costumes'. The same
garment would probably have been refered to as a 'bathing suit'
by Mr. and Mrs. Barbour (of "One Man's Family" fame).
Kenneth Clarke
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:30:19 -0400
From: BH <radioguy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Home Transmission FM/AM
Tim Ballew in a state of difficult decision making comments:
Should I:
* Buy a more powerful FM transmitter?
If you use a AM or FM transmitter whose power limits exceed part 15 of
the FCC rules you may run into trouble with said government entity. I
personally would stay away from the FM band as it seems to be easier to
interfere with commercial stations and the FCC seems to be more
agressive about such interference on the FM [removed]
* Buy an AM transmitter? (There's plenty of dead space on the AM dial)
I use a part 15 AM transmitter to transmit music and OTR to my vintage
radios. If you are in or near a large city, the FM band can be quite
crowded, but there always does seem to be a few empty frequencies on the
AM band. However, you may find a spot that is quite during the daytime,
but at night when propagation conditions change, you may suddenly have
intereference from some distant station. If you have soldering skills
there are several kits on the market that are quite good. One I have
found to be the best IMHO, is the AMT3000 low power AM unit. This was
designed and is produced by a fellow enthusists. The quality of the kit
is very good, but it does require some close up soldering work when
soldering one surface mount chip to the PC board. I believe you can
order the kit with this chip already soldered. If interested you can
find more information at: [removed]
I have no connection with this product other than a satisified user.
Bill H.
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:30:34 -0400
From: Richard Carpenter <sinatra@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ayuh
I loved Elizabeth Mcleod's re-creation of a Maine
accent and feel compelled to add that although times
may change and accents may diminish, we are still
lissening to them g-- d--- Red Sox blowing anothah one.
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:30:42 -0400
From: Gary Lare <otrman@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: New OTR Book
I am trying to find out how to order the new book mentioned on this list
called "Speaking of Radio," (I believe). Can someone put me in the
right direction?
Gary
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:16:56 -0400
From: ralph314 <RWARD@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: FM Transmitter
Sir,
I got a perfect solution for your problem. It is a Kima Wireless KS-110
although the company
discribes it function as transmitter to FM receiver frequencies, I had
your same problem to many
local stations on the transmitting frequencies. The company doesn't
advertise the fact that with
a twin RCA (stereo jacks) with a l/8 "jack plugged into the receptacles
in the rear of the
receiver. A dual female 1/8" jack and a cheap pair of stereo computer
speakers. I've got reception
of over 150 feet from my home to neighbors house. It has the same range
as a 900 mhrz cordless telephone!! The KIMA KS-110 is available from:
[removed] or just put the KimA KS 110 in a search engine
to find additional dealers. I've seen the Kima -1109 as low as $[removed] to
a high of $[removed]
Again you will need
1 Kima KS-110
1 RCA Dual stereo Jack with a 1/8in Plug (same end as
found on headphones)
1 Set of Computer speakers(I got mine at Walgreens for
$[removed])
1 female to female 1/8" connector (to hook up the 1/8'
plug in on the RCA stero jacks to the 1/8" plug on the computer speakers.
Total Cost Less than $[removed] (If you have the spare partss even less)
I hook my computert up to aq 120 GB USB hard drive hook the Kima to the
out put jacs(Sound Card) and sit out on my patio for listening to
OTR/Music for hours at a time. The only problem I've had is from
airplanes reflecting the Kima 900mhrz signal(not a frequent happening
and about a 1/4 mile from my home is a Trucking company that seems to
interfer with the Kima signal(Again not a frequent happening).
Please forgive my spelling and typing my hands are a little stiff with
age!! If you decide to go this route please let me know how it works for
you!!
Sincerly
Ron Ward
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:17:11 -0400
From: zbob@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: dialectician query
With all the interesting mail recently about dialects, etc., I will ask again
if anyone recalls the chap in NYC, around 1945 or so, probably WOR - anyway,
he would determine a person's point of origin by analyzing their speeech
patterns. Using the words "Merry", "Mary", and "Marry", he could get a rough
indication as to location, then would request other phrases to pinpoint the
origin - something like "The southeast corner of XXX county". ? ? ? ?
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:42:25 -0400
From: William Brooks <webiii@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Your Truly, Johnnhy Dollar
Help----On the Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar episode "The Mad Hatter
Matter" dated 1/27/57 I am trying to identify the actors. Can anyone
help? I have identified of course Bob Bailey as Johnny, and Parley
Baer as Mr Preene, as well as Stacy Harris as Russell Tracy. The
following parts are unidentified:
Nures Helen Richards
Lt. Steiner
Mr. Howart
post office worker
I'm certain the Nurse is NOT Virginia Gregg and I think that Lt.
Steiner might be either Russell Thorson or Herb Butterfield but I'm
not sure.
Any help I can get will be appreciated---a lot
Thanks
Bill
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:37:52 -0400
From: "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: looking for a future trade
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hi
if you collect 16in transcriptions of country style usa or navy hoedown or one
of these country shows i have a few and i am looking to trade disc
for disc very shortly when mine are copied
and also "lets go to town" i have more of these than
the other but would like to trade for the same
if you aren't familiar with lets go, they had a popular
singer and band leader on to do 4 shows, ea about
15min,but ea show is complete in itself
thanks ed
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 23:39:02 -0400
From: Shenbarger@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: OTR Home Transmission
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In a message dated 10/17/2003 Tim Ballew writes:
Should I:
* Buy a more powerful FM transmitter?
* Buy an AM transmitter? (There's plenty of dead space on the AM dial)
Does a stronger FM transmitter necessarily overcome a lack of space on the
FM dial?
Does the ample space on the AM dial mean that AM would perform better?
Curious if anyone has also experienced the fickleness of FM OTR transmission
or if someone has pointers on the pro/con of FM vs. AM for this purpose.
I have used the Sound Feeder model SF120 which costs about $20 at Best Buy.
It is good for about fifty feet. As far as I know it runs under maximum
permissible conditions, that is, I believe it is not legal to use a superior
antenna
in place of the 4" built-in antenna. People who don't care have had results
with distances measured in thousands of feet using good antennas.
I recently ordered an AM transmitter kit and it was delivered this week. It
is more strongly powered and I expect it will easily reach the full distance
around the house. It runs at maximum allowed power for an unlicensed AM
Broadcast Station and includes several nice features. Hopefully it works as
advertised. Cost for the kit with shipping was $100. It is not available in a
built
version. I will report on this after getting it together and tested.
As to AM or FM, the Sound Feeder is FM stereo, not good stereo, but stereo. I
have had good results in getting further with this signal by using radios
that can be set to Mono (turn stereo off). The AM transmitters and most AM
receivers are not stereo. The FM transmitters are tiny things easily used in
your
car or on vacation. They can be adjusted to any frequency on the FM band. The
AM
transmitters are mostly 115 volt AC units and have a 10 ft long wire antenna
and several controls to adjust. Changing frequency may require electronic
adjustments. Once set they should work fine, but all this does not lend them
to
convenience in portability, especially for those not technically inclined.
Don Shenbarger
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 00:36:28 -0400
From: Kcpymurphy@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Pig In a Poke
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Charles mentions the expression "Pig in a Poke" meaning don't buy what you
haven't seen. In Europe, the expression came about because a few people were
not
above putting a runt in the poke or strong bag instead of a young pig. Even
more dastardly, were the sellers who placed a cat in the poke. A smart buyer
would demand to open the poke, thus giving wings to the expression "let the
cat
out of the bag." In more modern times, we use that expression to mean
disclosing something that was a secret .
Kacie
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:46:50 -0400
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: bags vs. sacks
Please don't ask where I got these ideas, but:
A sack is a small paper bag, usually without the folded "accordion" base
that allows larger bags to stand open.
A bag is a comparatively large container which is collapsible, and can be
made of paper or other materials.
Herb Harrison
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:47:39 -0400
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Mackey & dialects
We had lunch around room, and supper at night. We weren't allowed to play
outside after supper in the winter, when it was dark. In the summer,
suppertime began an hour later, at 6 PM. When we were outside we could hear
parents calling their kids to supper all over the neighborhood. (Note: We
played "outside", not "outdoors".)
Nobody went to "dinner", except them people in the movies, and they all
dressed up and made a lot of speeches. None of us even knew what a
"luncheon" was.
Our $15/week apartment came with a couch. Later, with seven kids, my
parents convinced the landlord to give us another couch from another
apartment, so we had two [removed] in the livingroom. We never had a
"family room".
Later, we bought a new couch. Because it was new, we called it a sofa. It
fell apart about 12 years later, so we called it junk.
When we lived in Baltimore we called it "soda". Later we lived in western
Pennsylvania. When we slipped and asked for "soda" instead of "pop", some
adults thought we needed a stomach [removed] other kids just laughed at us.
We wore suit-pants as part of our suits to church; other times we wore
pants. Sometimes we wore "dungarees" for play. Our father wore pants. Some
of the girls wore "pedal pushers" instead of skirts, or "girls' dungarees"
which had the zipper on the side, instead of the front.
Nobody wore "slacks", except a few of them people in the movies.
"Shorts" meant boys' or mens' underwear, or "swim shorts", or "gym shorts".
Nobody wore "short pants" on the street.
Now is better.
Herb Harrison
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:47:50 -0400
From: JimBourg@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Regional Dialects
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If sack for bag seemed strange to Irene, I'm glad she didn't have to move to
South Louisiana, not sure she could have handled that adjustment.
Jim
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:44:02 -0400
From: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: FM [removed]
In 377, Tim Ballew writes:
My computer became a "jukebox" that I could listen to through my home
stereo, the workshop radio etc. *** SNIP ***
Should I:
* Buy a more powerful FM transmitter?
* Buy an AM transmitter? (There's plenty of dead space on the AM dial)
I would recommend neither of these solutions. Like Tim, I use my computer as
a Jukebox. Not just for listening to OTR on CD, but playing popular music
MP3s, and streaming audio like the Big Broadcast from WAMU and Virginia Tech
football games (when they're not on TV ).
I have several sets of wireless speakers. Mine are all from Radio Shack and
are branded RCA (made by Thompson) - they're all the same, so all the
speakers run off of one transmitter. The transmitter plugs into an 1/4"
audio out (genderbended to 1/8") on my computer. (I have a Soundblaster
Audigy Platinum, so I've got more audio outs than I know what to do with -
your computer may vary.) The speakers themselves are scattered around my
apartment - in the kitchen, bedroom, even the bathroom. I'm not sure what
frequency they transmit on, but I haven't had any interference problems on
two of the three available settings.
Each of these speakers has it's own power supply, and can also run on
batteries so they're pretty portable. The speakers will recharge themselves
if the proper batteries are used, so you could leave one plugged in in one
room, and take it with you to another room if you wanted.
Anyway, hope this helps.
-chris holm
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