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	    otr-Digest   Volume 96 : Issue 78


Articles in this issue of otr-Digest:

	 Myrtle Vail Obit.
	 ADMINISTRIVIA: Recent Spam Post To OTR
	 Re: Yesterday USA
	 Realaudio recording
	 UNSUBSRIBE
	 Asimov and Heinlein in otr
	 Ron Lackmann Book
	 Where's the [removed]
	 Real Audio 1
	 Superman radio serial 
	 First major soap opera
	 Roma Wines
	 Soap Opera/Yesterday USA
	 introduction
	 Bad luck?
	 Painted Dreams
	 I'm still alive / Collector's Radio Network

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:18:21 -0500 (EST)
From: rjones@[removed]
To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Myrtle Vail Obit.
Message-Id: <[removed]@mail>

Found the obit-clip of Myrtle Vail:

Variety, 1978 (probably last week of September, first week
of October)

  Myrtle Vail Damerel, 90, who played Myrt in the "Myrt and
Marge" radio shows of the 1930s, died Sept. 18 in a Kansas
City, Mo. hospital. After working in vaudeville for 30 years
she was prompted to dream up the program that took her and
her daughter, Donna, into radio when she came up with the
idea of a show about two sisters in the theater world. It
was first aired Nov. 2, 1931. The show won the [removed] Mirror
award in 1932 for "most popular dramatic program on radio."
It ran on CBS,opposite NBC's "Amos and Andy," until 1936
when it moved to daytime and ended its run in 1942, shortly
after Donna Damerel's death in a hospital mishap (choked to
death) following childbirth.

Frank Buxton and Bill Owen (RADIO'S GOLDEN AGE) note that Donna died on
February 15, 1941, and was replaced on the program by Helen Mack.

	I'd sure like to know more about the "hospital mishap" which
caused her to choke to death.
                              Bob Jones

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 09:32:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Bill P <rrb@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed] (Old Time Radio)
Cc: lgenco@[removed] (Lou Genco)
Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA: Recent Spam Post To OTR
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Dear list [removed]

The spam that just hit the list (read this it's funny) was posted by a
non-member Flippertwo@[removed]  I apologize for this, but unless I
make the list postable ONLY by members, I cant really stop it.

I have placed that address in a global kill file, so at least *it*
will never appear again.

I CAN make OTR a closed forum, meaning that only  members can post,
but there are occasional glitches where a legit poster gets rejected
because of some minor change in the email address. 

Do you-all  want me to do this or is this annoyance small enough not
to bother?

Write to me at this address, and ONLY at this address, to comment on
this topic (do not post to the digest on this, please)...

Send comments to  otr-private@[removed]

Thanks and please keep notes short so I can easily tabulate replies.
I will summarize to the list.

William Pfeiffer
List Owner/Administrator

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:08:43 -0500
From: LBohall@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Yesterday USA
Message-ID: <960228110842_155563570@[removed]>

I tried to access the www site listed in the OTR for Yesterday USA, but was
blocked by AOL. Is it possible that the address listed in the issue is
incorrect? 

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:17:52 -0500
From: Charles Mazza <flash@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Realaudio recording
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi everyone,

I was wondering if anyone knows how to record a live Realaudio stream over
the internet. Specifically, I was listening to KAAM over the internet
yesterday and would have liked to record the program for future enjoyment.
When the RA clip is a file, it can easily be downloaded and saved, how about
a live stream though? Any help would be appreciated.

Regards

[removed]

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 11:52:02 -0400
From: bsf@[removed] (burton frank)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: UNSUBSRIBE
Message-Id: <v01510103ad5a2a514a81@[[removed]]>


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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 96 20:14:37 +0100
From: Marcus_Antonsson@[removed] (Marcus Antonsson)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Asimov and Heinlein in otr
Message-Id: <OA92-901-213p1_001d2aa7@[removed]>

Hi Friends,
To of my favorite sf-writers are Robert Heinlein and Isaac Asimov. I know
the BBC's dramatization of Asimov's fondation trilogy and that at least
one of Heinlein's  stories "the roads must roll" appeared on dimension x.
But how is it otherwiese? If anyone knows more about radio versions of
these to authors works, please tell me about it, I'd like to add more to
my collection if posible.
 
So long!
 
Marc Antonsson
 

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:31:57 -0500 (EST)
From: SAH@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Ron Lackmann Book
Message-id: <01I1R2C28K7M91W0DG@[removed]>

Ron Lackmann's latest book is a reference book about our hobby that
is in its first printing and open to discussion as to minutia of detail
and correctness.  He had to reduce his book by over 1/3 in the six
months so the publisher could rush to press.  Please send your verified
criticisms to Ron so you can see in the second printing how wonderful
your changes can be.  If anyone would like to have Ron's home snail
mail address please let me know.

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 14:57:28 -0600 (CST)
From: joliver@[removed] (W. Joe Oliver)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Where's the [removed]
Message-id: <01I1R1D7EPJM003587@[removed]>

     I know where Gil Garcetti is.  I know where Jenet Reno is.  But where 
the heck is Mr. District Attorney?

     Anybody know of good sources for most of the run of these [removed]
I'm *not* talking about 5-6 bucks and hour [removed] pricy, even for legal 
advice.

                                          Joe Oliver


W. Joseph Oliver
Department of Communication
Stephen F. Austin State University
Nacogdoches, TX  75962

   (409-468-4001)

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 16:47:00 EST
From: DFEQ02A@[removed] (MR JOSEPH ANDOLINA JR)
To: OTR@[removed]
Subject: Real Audio 1
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

With all the recent  postings of OTR & new drama on the internet,  I 
have a question.  I've got Real Audio [removed],  not enough memory for RA2.
   It seems that I'm out of luck of listening to Shoe String Radio, 
YUSA, etc. which is deeply frustrating with all their recent addition 
to the Internet!  Everytime I try going to those areas,  I'm told I 
don't have support in my system.  Do any of them use RA1?  Also,  has 
anybody out there ever heard if the BBC plans on doing this one day?  
I guess the bottom line is I'm prepared to upgrade if necessary.  
It's great to know that we can now have access to OTR over the 
internet!

Joe 

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 96 02:46:13 UT
From: "KENNETH LANZA" <DRJOHNWATSON@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Superman radio serial 
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

FYI : Warner Bros. Online  is offering Real-Audio of the Supermanradio shows  
at  their site on the Web at:       [removed] 
I believe they just started within the past week.
DRJOHNWATSON@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:48:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: First major soap opera
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

John Rayburn writes:

>  I've misplaced it but I think it was Max Schmid who asked which shows were
>first in several categories.  In another posting I listed "Myrt and Marge" as
>the first major soap opera with its November 2, 1931 beginning on CBS.
>

I would have to dispute the claim that Myrt & Marge was the first major soap
opera (depending, of course, on your definitions).

I feel that The Goldbergs, which began life as "The Rise of the Goldbergs" and
began on NBC in November, 1929, and which is very much in the soap opera
category
was the first MAJOR soap opera. 

This is based on the structure of the soap opera with its romance of daily life
and trials and tribulations of daily life as a vehicle for the housewife to
which
it was directed.  Like Myrt & Marge, the Goldbergs started off in the
evening before
moving to daytime broadcasting.

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Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          AOL: JimWidner  
                          

                                                 

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 20:58:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Roma Wines
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Arlene Osborne writes:
>Can anyone tell me what happened to the company "Roma Wines"?
>Did it simply fold or was it bought out and still in production
>under another name?  From the ads in the old shows, it sounded
>like it was a fair sized company!
>

Good question and one I wondered.  I do believe they became or 
were part of Cresta Blanca which is advertised on other otr
shows, but I think they were probably ultimately devoured by
one of the other (and current) wine producers.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          AOL: JimWidner  
                          

                                                 

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:10:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Soap Opera/Yesterday USA
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Steve Capusto wrote:
>I've always heard collectors say that the first soap opera was something
>called PAINTED DREAMS.  No idea if that's accurate.
>

Painted Dreams does have the distinction (among many) of being the FIRST
soap opera. This serial was created by Irna Phillips, who taught school 
here in my current residence of Dayton, Ohio. She did irregular work for
WMAQ before taking on full time work with WGN who asked her to write a
radio serial. Painted Dreams was the result and truly was of the form that
later was called daytime serial or soap opera. It was a story of Mother 
Moynihan and her grown-up children centering around the home life.

The problem with this serial is that it did not spur the growth of soap
operas, but it did create some interest in women's programming.

$$$$$$$$ New Topic $$$$$$$$

The Yesterday USA RealAudio feed at this moment (9:15 pm est) sounds more
like Sputnik than OTR.  Is this normal?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          AOL: JimWidner  
                          

                                                 

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 21:51:51 -0500
From: SSmith5081@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
cc: SSmith5081@[removed]
Subject: introduction
Message-ID: <960228215150_336258432@[removed]>

my name is stephen n smith, my friends call me "smitt". and i have been
listening to old time comedy radio shows for 3 years now. and quest what? it
is the same 60 or so that i've been having for that long. i guess
you can say i've listen to them a million times. my favorites or as follows:
fred allen, burns and allen, jack benny, [removed], edgar bergan &
charlie mc carthy,red skelton, and last but not least, the bickersons.
any way i cannot find any other cd's and/or cassettes of any other shows
(from the above list of stars) that i don't already have. need help bad.
 
let me finnish about me anyway. i'am 31 yrs. old. i live in the marshlands of
louisiana. i love to travel out west every year
(of course listening to my shows as i drive)
i'am single, very single, well TO DAMN SINGLE!
i'am a 16 year veteran of shotokan karate
i talk (in this case type) to much
and i def-fan-it-lee can't spell
 
[removed]
 
i've always wandered what fred allen looks like, help
thanks

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:09:07 -0500 (EST)
From: JACKBENNY@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Bad luck?
Message-id: <01I1RIIO3E9498AJN1@[removed]>

Since the chain letter was sent to the newsletter (and not me personally)
do I still have to forward it on so as not to have bad luck?  After all,
I've already received it before.

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Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 00:07:40 -0500
From: JRayb71827@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Painted Dreams
Message-ID: <960229000738_434364270@[removed]>

  Re the posting by Steven Capsuto about "Painted Dreams," it might be of
interest to some to see what John Dunning said about the show in "Tune In
Yesterday," for those who don't have a copy.
   -- Quote:
   "Painted Dreams is generally considered radio's first soap opera.  Created
by Irna Phillips in 1930, it was aired by WGN, Chicago, where Miss Phillips
had landed after abandoning a teaching career.  She appeared in the serial in
addition to writing it.  When WGN spurned an offer from the network to carry
Painted Dreams nationwide, Miss Phillips angrily quit her job and went to
work for NBC.  A suit filed by Miss Phillips to retain the rights to Painted
Dreams was not successful, but she gained her revenge by bringing thinly
disguised versions of the same characters to a new drama.  That show, Today's
Children, was one of the great success stories of the early years, while
Painted Dreams soon faded into obscurity.  After three years on WGN, Painted
Dreams did go network; it was brought to CBS late in 1933 under writer Bess
Flynn.  It told the story of the Moynihan family -- a mother and daughters.
 In Miss Phillips' version, she played Mother Moynihan, with Ireene Wicker
cast as one of her daughters.  In the CBS version, author Flynn took the
lead.  The Flynn version disappeared in 1934."  - End quote.
   *****
   Added note:  The above-mentioned Ireene Wicker did the popular show, "The
Singing Story Lady" starting on NBC Blue in January of 1932 - it had begun
about six months before that on WGN.  And, yes, her first name did have that
extra "e" in it because a numerologist advised her that great fortune would
result from the change, so she stuck it in before going on radio with CBS in
1930 and moving to NBC later that same year.  By 1937 she had four shows each
week on NBC Blue and a half-hour on Mutual on Sundays.  

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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 22:05:32 -0800
From: Platecap@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: I'm still alive / Collector's Radio Network
Message-ID: <960228215649_26262147@[removed]>

Just a word to mention to the OTR readers that my extended absense from the
list is not the fault of your computer, but the friendly clogged 'net
pipeline and my "normal" provider.

I wanted to mention the series of live shows Collector's Radio Network has
been doing featuring several old time radio [removed] celebrities per
se, but the movers and shakers in OTR.  

Old Time Radio Clubs who would like cassette copies of any of all of our
interviews/programs can get cassettes for their libraries for free.  Just
call our office at 800-739-7900.  We'd like it if you'd send us some blank
cassettes, but not required!

Those of you who will be attending the Cincinnati OTR convention in April can
see us in person.  Hopefully, a live broadcast will originate from there, and
we'll have some surprises.

As a reminder, again, Cincy '96 is the 10th Annual 4/12-13 at the Marriott
Inn in Cincinnati.  Call Bob Burchett for more info (606) 282-0333.  Guests
include Fred Foy, announcer from the Lone Ranger, Parley Baer, Gunsmoke's
Chester, Peg Lynch of Ethel & Albert as well as Barney Beck, sound effects
man from the Shadow, Superman and other shows.  They will recreate shows live
before your very eyes at this show - so don't miss it!  Six bucks a day gets
you in the door.

Bob Burnham, BRC Productions, Box 2645, Livonia, MI. 48151
platecap@[removed]                              platecap@[removed]

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