Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #206
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Date: 7/8/2005 3:09 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 206
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      NEEDED ASAP: Corwin recordings        [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      7-8 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Re: Aldrich Family movies             [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      Dinner non-listening                  [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@j ]
      What might have been                  [ Jmeals@[removed] ]
      Hal verses Harold                     [ Zharold138@[removed] ]
      Re : Henry Aldrich movies and other   [ "Lloyd Harradan" <lharradan@hotmail ]
      RE: Larry's Comments on REPS          [ "[removed]" <donsplace@[removed]; ]
      Our Miss Brooks                       [ "Bob Pedersen" <bobbyp@[removed]; ]
      Audio Transfer Assistance?            [ "Barnett, Tom L" <[removed]@acs ]
      mixed reels                           [ "erest@[removed]" <erest@bel ]
      Brief Notes On Several Subjects       [ "Brian L Bedsworth" <BrianLBedswort ]
      list of OTR clubs                     [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:05:09 -0400
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  NEEDED ASAP: Corwin recordings

    Folks;

       I am in a time constraint, and need some help. I'm looking for
    good-quality copies of certain Norman Corwin programs, preferably on CD - I
    will cheerfully purchase good-quality copies from the legit dealers here, so
    please contact me if you have any of these shows. I can wait the few days
    shipping will require for these copies.

       I also _desperately_ need listening copies of these same shows
    sooner-than-immediately (if anyone has a time machine handy, yesterday would
    work really well!). If anyone can email/ftp to me MP3 copies of any of the
    shows, even if of an inferior sound quality, I'd _really_ appreciate it.
    Please contact me before sending files, though, so we don't duplicate efforts
    and so no files are accidentally bounced by the server.

       Note these shows aren't the "usual suspects" (I have the "biggies" like
    "We Hold These Truths," etc.) it's a somewhat more eclectic list, and I have
    no idea if any/all are existant (and a conversation on what Corwin works
    _are_ available would be interesting, I think):

    Norman Corwin's Words Without Music
         (Any)
         Particularly 1938's "The Plot to Overthrow Christmas"
         Particularly 1939's "Spoon River Anthology"

    Columbia Workshop
         1940's "My Client Curley"

    26 By Corwin
         (Any)
         Particularly "Psalm for a Dark Year"

    Columbia Presents Corwin
         (Any)

    One World Flight
         (Any)
         Particularly "Introduction"

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 09:26:48 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  7-8 births/deaths

    July 8th births

    07-08-1882 - Percy Grainger - Melbourne, Australia - d. 2-20-1961
    composer: "Prudential Family Hour"; "The Pause that Refreshes."
    07-08-1889 - Eugene Pallette - Winfield, KS - d. 9-3-1954
    actor: "Screen Guild Theatre"
    07-08-1898 - Melville Ruick - Boise, ID - d. xx-xx-1972
    actor, announcer: "Cavalcade of America"; "Quiet Please"; "Suspense"
    07-08-1908 - Nelson Rockefeller - Bar Harbor, ME - d. 1-26-1979
    vice president: Helped fund "Hello Americans" with Orson Welles
    07-08-1910 - Jack Rubin - New York - d. 10-10-1952
    writer: "Hallmark Hall of Fame"; "The Hardy Family"; "Hilltop House"; "The
    O'Neills"
    07-08-1913 - Ann Thomas - Newport, RI - d. 4-28-1989
    actress: Sharon O'Shaughnessy "Bob Burns Show"; Barbara Weeks "We Love and
    Learn"
    07-08-1913 - Bill Thompson - Terre Haute, IN - d. 7-15-1971
    actor: Wallace Wimple, Horatio K Boomer and others "Fibber McGee and Molly"
    07-08-1914 - Billy Eckstine - Philadelphia, PA - d. 3-8-1993
    jazz vocalist: "Yessiree . . .It's Mr. B!"; "ABCs of Music"; "Julilee"; "Big
    Show"
    07-08-1917 - Faye Emerson - Elizabeth, NJ - d. 3-9-1983
    actress: "My Silent Partner"
    07-08-1917 - Glenn Langan - Denver, CO - d. 1-19-1991
    actor: "Chuck Morgan "Stand By For Crime"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    07-08-1917 - Pamela Brown - London, England - d. 9-18-1975
    actress: "Screen Guild Theatre"; "Theatre On the Air"
    07-08-1918 - Craig Stevens - Liberty, MO - d. 5-10-2000
    actor: "Hollywood Radio Theatre"
    07-08-1931 - Jerry Vale - New York City, NY
    singer: "Peter Lind Hayes Show"
    07-08-1934 - Marty Feldman - East London, England - d. 12-3-1982
    comedian, writer: "Round the Horne"; "We're In Business"
    07-08-1935 - Steve Lawrence - Brooklyn, NY
    singer: "Roadshow"

    July 8th deaths

    03-04-1914 - Ward Kimball - Minneapolis, MN - d. 7-8-2002
    disney animator: "Here's to Veterans"
    03-29-1914 - Phil Foster - New York City, NY - d. 7-8-1985
    actor: "What's With Hubert"; "Baseball Round Table"; "Big Show"
    08-03-1917 - Charlie Shavers - New York City, NY - d. 7-8-1971
    jazz trumpeter: "Jump Time"; "Mildred Bailey Show"; "Tommy Dorsey Show"
    08-04-1792 - Percy Shelly - Field Place, England - d. 7-8-1822
    poet: "Moon River"
    08-24-1913 - Howard Duff - Bremerton, WA - d. 7-8-1990
    actor: Sam Spade "Advs. of Sam Spade"; Mike McCoy "McCoy"; Josh Chandler
    "Dear John"
    10-15-1918 - Robert Lee - Elyria, OH - d. 7-8-1994
    writer: "Columbia Presents Corwin"
    10-25-1914 - John Reed King - Atlantic City, NJ - d. 7-8-1979
    announcer, actor:"Columbia Workshop"; Schuyler 'Sky' King " "Sky King"
    12-25-1904 - Gladys Swarthout - Deepwater, MO - d. 7-8-1969
    singer: "Palmolive Beauty Box Theatre"; "Prudential Family Hour"; "Voice of
    Firestone"
    xx-xx-1921 - Wayne Howell - d. 7-8-1993
    announcer, disc jockey: "Chamber Music Chamber Society of Lower Basin Street"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 12:08:16 -0400
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Aldrich Family movies
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    In a message dated 7/8/05 8:33:06 AM Central Daylight Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

>     The Henry Aldrich films have rarely been shown on television over the years

>     (they have, but rarely) and it's hard to find them.

    I became exposed to them in the 1970s when WTBS out of Atlanta ran them all
    week long, and they surprised me at how funny they were.  I didn't even
    realize
    until later that it had been a radio series first, having heard an episode
    rerun on a Canadian shortwave network.

    Dixon

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 12:08:45 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dinner non-listening

    Speaking of listening to radio while "at table," Ted Kneebone notes,

>     At the Kneebone home, there was no radio while we ate our meals.
>     Dinner and supper were reserved for eating and talking

    The same general rule was observed at the Kallis home.  However,
    supper/dinner often fell at 5:30, so my father took pity on me and got a
    portable Zenith radio, into which he had installed an earphone jack.  I
    could listen to Captain Midnight while dining.  (I did not ask for it; my
    father was just a good guy.)  The minute the program was over, I turned
    off the portable, removed the earphones, and became a regular supper
    participant.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:17:48 -0400
    From: Jmeals@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  What might have been
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    I have very much enjoyed the discussion concerning those two extraordinary
    performers, Edgar Bergen and Paul Winchell. If I recall correctly, Paul
    Winchell  had a brief stint on Monitor in the late fifties.

    Why was the stint brief? I believe that Monitor got the wrong  ventriloquist.
    Paul Winchell was terrific on TV but radio was Edgar Bergen's  medium. I find
    it sad that Edgar Bergen and Monitor never connected. I believe  that Edgar
    and his friends would have been a welcomed and long running fixture  on that
    program.

    What might have [removed]

    Jim Meals

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 13:59:42 -0400
    From: Zharold138@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hal verses Harold
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    This is a open letter to:
    Hal (Harold) Stone.

        I see now why you never liked  me!!!

    Yours,Harold Zeigler

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:00:16 -0400
    From: "Lloyd Harradan" <lharradan@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re : Henry Aldrich movies and other OTR video

    These videos crop up from time to time on [removed]
    vintage-films and  [removed]

    A good source - in Canada at least - is Walmart, which has a selection for
    $[removed] (Canadian). The disc sometimes has 2 or 3 shows. Zellars, sometimes
    has some too, at a slightly higher price.

    There hasn't been much activity on this area - no list, no trading board -
    and collectors come in on the coattails of the vintage film crowd.

    h

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:00:38 -0400
    From: "[removed]" <donsplace@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RE: Larry's Comments on REPS

    I totally agree with Mr. Albert's (I'm in formal mode after that last
    post by Hal) assessment of the Archie recreation, and his work as
    announcer was easily equal to the quality of the rest of the production.

    What he failed to mention about Hal's amazing swashbuckling was that
    immediately before that performance, he was giving dance
    demonstrations in the back of the room for a goodly amount of time,
    and after that sprinting across the room to hug sweet little old ladies!

    And I thought my goats had energy!

    --- [removed]

    "Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am
    persecuted whenever I am contradicted." --- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 14:00:57 -0400
    From: "Bob Pedersen" <bobbyp@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Our Miss Brooks

>     Does anyone remember which show featured a detective who, when knocked
>     out, ended up on a cloud with a peculiar little man?

>     Gerald Friedlansky

    You're thinking of Richard Rogue in "Rogue's Gallery," played by Dick
    Powell.

    Any time Rogue got knocked out he imagined himself floating up to Cloud
    Eight,
    inhabited by Eugor, a cackling little fellow who would give Rogue some vague
    idea
    on how next to proceed with the case he was working on.

    I believe Peter Leeds played Eugor which, incidentally, is "Rogue" spelled
    backward.

    Bob Pedersen

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 15:20:07 -0400
    From: "Barnett, Tom L" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Audio Transfer Assistance?
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    I have some special cassettes that I would like to get transferred to CDs
    and MP3s. If capable, please contact off list with prices.

    Tom Barnett, PMP

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:09:35 -0400
    From: "erest@[removed]" <erest@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  mixed reels

    Back when I purchased shows on reel to reel there were lots of mixed
    reels from vendors.  Many had shows that very few episodes were
    available.  Others had a connection.  I remember one reel of Johnny
    Dollar and Suspense intermixed from the early 60's.
    Later on I'd buy reels of same shows say Suspense, Bing Crosby, Have Gun
    Will Travel,Jack Benny and others and transfer then to cassette.  On
    each work day I'd take one or two with me .  As many of the reels had
    consective shows it seemed like I was listening to them just as they
    were broadcast.
    With mp3 I do about the same thing.  I have 7 folders on my mp3 player
    and I put 1 episode of different shows in each and listen 1 folder at a
    time.

        Rob

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:09:37 -0400
    From: "Brian L Bedsworth" <BrianLBedsworth@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Brief Notes On Several Subjects

    1. Our Miss Brooks

    Whether or not the series is actually running anywhere at this time, it
    =has= run in major cities as late as the mid-1990s (Phoenix ch. 27/55; also
    on [removed] ch. 56 and [removed] ch. 44 [possibly 20?] through at least the early
    1990s). And, yes, these were filmed episodes; if any kines were made, they
    were not part of the package I saw on any of the above-mentioned stations
    during my childhood and teen years.

    It's also one of the very few excellent radio-to-TV transfers made (at least
    on-par with, if not superior to, the original). A few isolated episodes are
    available commercially as part of broader 1950s TV and sitcom-specific DVD
    boxed sets, while the feature film (sadly, it seems, in VHS only) can be
    obtained from certain post-retail online outlets.

    2. Listening In Bulk

    Generally, the better the series, the easier and more satisfying it is to
    queue up several (or, better several =dozen=) of the same title in
    chronological order and really listen for understanding, rather than just
    enjoyment.

    I'm in the midst of a long spell of Gunsmoke at the moment, for instance, a
    show that quietly implemented a well-defined backdrop of landmarks and
    townsfolk enhancing the show's verisimilitude -- so quietly that it scarcely
    rates notice =except= in bulk-listening form. (On the other hand, when the
    show made some mistakes in continuity, as with the ever-changing Yorky Kelly
    backstory, such missteps become far more noticable, far more distracting,
    just because there are so darned few of them. Excellence becomes expected
    over time.)

    A sampling of series which are more enlightening with regard to their
    near-literary construction when heard together:

    Jack Benny (the Josefsberg/Tackaberry/et al period);

    Richard Diamond (marred only by the constant recasting of Walt Levinson --
    really, Ed Begley =and= Arthut Q. Bryan???);

    The Saint (once the producers established Templar firmly as a New Yorker,
    anyway; the few episodes that suggest he and Louie reside in a mid-sized
    midwestern town are grating in this light);

    Sherlock Holmes (Boucher/Green);

    Have Gun, Will Travel;

    Henry Morgan (the variety show, not the monologues);

    I Love A Mystery (how in the world did anyone manage to work attend school,
    or function even minimally as a member of the community while waiting a day,
    two days, or as long as a full week between episodes???)

    Sadly, there are good shows that don't stand up in large doses. Long runs of
    Burns and Allen, for example, leave me less and less amused, and more and
    more wondering why George hasn't done something with Gracie that'd make a
    good plot for the Whistler.

    Most of the original anthologies not named Suspense, Escape, or something
    beginning with the letters "CBS" are so obviously written by rote (introduce
    sympathetic character -- induce stressful situation -- reveal character
    actually unsympathetic -- give character comeuppance) that only the most
    hysterical, sensational or horrifying impinge even slightly on the monotony,
    and even the salacious elements quickly dissolve into so much background
    noise.

    One episode of Amos 'n' Andy gives the impression Gosden and Correll dearly
    loved their creations. Multiple listenings to the calumnities they would
    heap upon those same creations, though, make the show feel almost sadistic
    and contemptuous of its three leads.

    3. Complete Broadcast Days

    One Digester ( -- 'scuze me -- ) suggested the assembling and marketing (or
    at least the "listening-to") of this subject. In fact, such packages have
    been commercially available. A couple exist for D-Day, another for the
    beginning of WW2 (the day of the Poland invasion), and still another for V-J
    day. These make for fascinating listening.

    4. Animation and OTR

    The passing of Norm Prescott and the topic of the many radio veterans who
    worked for him (and, simultaneously as well as later, Bil Hanna and Joe
    Barbara) brings to mind a story I heard many years ago pointing out what an
    influence those voices had on the medium and those producing in it, yet also
    how remote a time that seemed even to those producers, two decades past.

    The producer of a prominent animated series of the mid-1980s (whose name
    would be known to many on this list, while the subject of the series would
    be =instantly= recognizable) had a script which called [removed] well, let's
    just say a role really demanded that the lines be delivered in a manner that
    would trigger instant recognition from =everyone= on this list, even if the
    name of the performer who introduced that style or delivery might not.

    So, the producer put out a "cattle call" voice audition specifically calling
    for talent who could mimic that particular style. Not unusual; more-or-less
    contemporary shows like "Animaniacs", for one, often did the same when the
    need for long-ago characterizations arose, as they often did. And the talent
    whose style was being mimicked here certainly classified as "long-ago",
    having first come to serious prominence before the war.

    The day of the audition found the studio offices filled with young hotshot
    VAs -- and one prospect noticably senior to the rest of the crowd.

    =Very= senior.

    Senior enough to reportedly induce the producer to make some panicked mental
    calculations with regard to how old this "long-ago" talent would have been
    if still living. Nah. Couldn't be the same person. Would have to be at
    [removed] nah, couldn't be.

    But, of course, when this "senior" VA's turn to read came up, the delivery
    was unmistakable. Same person. Still active. Still capable of giving that
    great, distinctive reading. But thought long gone. Just like radio.

    But neither had "gone". And, even now, radio isn't truly "gone". It gets
    further away from us each day, true, but not so far that we can't talk to
    many of those who created and promoted the medium. And certainly not so far
    that those creators' work can't still be enjoyed in new ways, by new
    audiences, on media that would have been a mere pipedream to even the most
    farsighted creators for the SF series of the era. We are so truly blessed.

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 17:10:09 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  list of OTR clubs

    Hi Everybody,

    Yesterday USA will be posting a section on the web site how can people
    contact many of the OTR Clubs.  If you would like to be on the list please
    email me contact information like telephone number web site ect.  I might
    already have it on files but send it to me just to make sure.  I will list
    many below that I would like to help promote or if you know of one let me
    know.  We receive close to 600,000 hits a month on our web site and this
    could be an easy way to get the word out about your club.

    1.  REPS

    2.  SPERDVAC

    3.  First Generation

    4.  NARA

    5.  RHAC

    6.  Milwaukee Old Time Radio Club

    7.  RLL

    8.  Western New York Old Time Radio Club

    9.  Radio Collector of America

    10.  there is a club base in TN  Old Time Radio Club

    11.  there is a club base in Kentucky

    12.  Metro Area  Washington Old Time Radio Club

    13.  Golden Radio Buff of Marilyn

    14.  Vic and Sade

    15.  Lum and Abbner

    16.  Jack Benny

    17.  One Man Family Family

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