Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #408
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 11/12/2003 3:52 AM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 408
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      ADMINISTRIVIA: Fundraising Discs      [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      MP3 out of order                      [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
      Harmonca Solo                         [ "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@cfai ]
      CD Failures                           [ "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@cfai ]
      Mp3 Playing out of order              [ "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@cfai ]
      A&C gaffe                             [ "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@comc ]
      Re: Amos's descendants                [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Abbott and Costello blooper           [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Dragnet                               [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
      Ginny Simms                           [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
      Source for THE ADVENTURES OF DAGWOOD  [ "Dandrea, Chris" <ChrisD@[removed] ]
      John Barrymore OTR                    [ Bob Fells <rfells@[removed]; ]
      Reflecting Upon Vampires              [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Lizzie Borden                         [ Alan Chapman <[removed]@verizon. ]
      japanese planes                       [ Alldavid@[removed] ]
      Re: Listening In Style                [ Tom Greenli <tom_greenli@[removed]; ]
      11-12 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:49:22 -0500
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  ADMINISTRIVIA: Fundraising Discs

    Folks;

       Just a quick note about the fundraiser discs. I greatly appreciate the
    orders for the disc I've already received, and am attempting to get them out
    within a day or two from receiving the order.

       But please, if possible, use the PayPal or snail-mail forms available at:

    [removed]

       ...there are those annoying shipping charges to deal with, and
    unfortunately Pennsylvania residents need to add that 6% sales tax our
    Governor is so fond of collecting.

       There are also links on that page showing what exactly is on the disc.

             Charlie

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:11:53 -0500
    From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  MP3 out of order

    My feeling is, and as always, don't quote me, is to make sure that the
    shows are put in to the folder in the date order in which they should be
    played.  In most cases, my iRiver player will play the shows in order,
    even when other players will not.  I think I have had a couple of cases
    where the shows are played out of orer, but not nearly as many as on my
    cheaper MP3 players.  I am sure somebody will jump in and correct me, but
    as a blind person who has been plagued by this since I can't see the
    order on the player, this is what I have theoretically come up with.
    Kurt

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:12:06 -0500
    From: "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Harmonca Solo

    I just re-listened to "Harmonca Solo" from the CBS RADIO WORKSHOP.  I first
    listened to years ago when my Dad taped it off John Dunning's Radio show in
    Denver, Colorado in late 1970s. I always been impressed with this
    particular"War Drama". I have often compared it to modern war dramas. I just
    watched the movie WINDTALKERS the other night which stars Nicholas Cage as a
    [removed] Marine assigned to a Navaho Indian Code-Talker in the Pacific Theater of
    WWII. Its somewhat reminiscent of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN. Its just my opinion,
    but I always found HARMONICA SOLO to be a gritty, realistic, and somewhat
    fatalistic war drama. I also found in Harmonica Solo through clever writing
    used equally "strong language" without resorting to profanity constantly the
    way Modern War movies seem to be mired in. I've never found many War Dramas
    on radio to macth Harmonica Solo's power and also be above purely propaganda
    purposes. Are there other radio drama's like this that I am perhaps
    overlooking?

    Mike Kerezman
    Macomb, Oklahoma.

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:12:34 -0500
    From: "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  CD Failures

    I too recently have considered this issue. I have been burning CDs since
    1998 or 1999 and to date have only experenced 1 failure. The cd that failed
    so to speak only failed with one particular mp3 file. I was able to retrieve
    the rest of shows on the cd and obtain a relacement for the missing file. My
    best solution to copy cds after 3 to 4 years onto my hard drive and burn it
    on new media to prevent failures.  I don't find this too expensive since cds
    are cheap. I'm curent;y doing this with my "older" cds.

    In a related matter, anyone know a way to open up a date cd and tell when
    the the cd was created or burned?

    Mike Kerezman

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:13:04 -0500
    From: "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Mp3 Playing out of order

    I know this sometimes has to do with the order the files are burned to cd.
    My Old Philips Expanium Mp3 cd player had this problem. While my old RIO
    VOLT (if I remember right) would play same CD in proper order. I have also
    seen this problem with some of my older cds burned with different software
    than I'm using now. More likely than not the software is burning them out of
    order. You can check on this by
    puting the cd in drive and going to COMMAND PROMT. This is done on WINDOWS
    XP by going to START- ACCESSORIES-COMMAND PROMPT
    (If your on WINDOWS machine). When Command promt Window comes up type

    DIR x: /S >C:tempfile

    where x is drive letter of your cd rom. You can then load tempfile in
    wordpad or any text editor from the C:  directory
    and see the order that files are burned onto the CD.
    Some mp3 CD players will only play mp3 files in the order that they are
    burned to disc. If your burning software is burning them out of order then
    they will play out of Order on some Mp3 players. I think some CD burning
    software rearranges the files burnt in order the save space. I know I have
    not experienced this problem since I have been using NERO burning software.

    Mike Kerezman
    Macomb, Oklahoma

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:16:06 -0500
    From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  A&C gaffe

    zbob@[removed] revealed to the OTR crowd:

>     Some of A & C's films have been discussed lately - I have a puzzler about
>     "... Meet Frankenstein".  About 50 minutes into the film, Dracula is
>     wandering about, and we can see his reflection in a mirror (???) What
>     gives?

    This is what is commonly known in the picture business as a "gaffe."  (It
    can also be referred to as a "flub," "blooper," "continuity error,"
    "screw-up"--the list goes on and on.)  It is a blemish on an otherwise great
    movie, but it makes me cringe every time I see it, since vampires, of
    course, cast no reflection.

    In a way, this reiterates the discussion on the Digest earlier about how Bud
    & Lou didn't seem too committed to professionalism in their later films.
    Another "boo-boo" in "A&C Meet Frankenstein" is that in one dialogue
    exchange, you can hear Lou call Bud "Abbott," even though Bud's character is
    called "Chick" in the film.

    Ivan
    ----
    We've moved! OTR Ramblings and Musings at Thrilling Days of Yesteryear:
    [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:14:37 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Amos's descendants

    On 11/10/03 11:37 PM [removed]@[removed]  wrote:

>     The first thing I thought of after I read this was to ask what Amosandra,
>     Arbadella, and Amos Jr. are doing these days.

    Well, Arbadella had a real interest in geography as a child -- she had a
    prodigious stamp collection and could give detailed discourses on every
    country represented in her albums -- and I suspect she might have grown
    up to become a teacher, proceeding from there into administration. She's
    now superintendant of a good-sized school district out west, and has also
    served several terms in her state's legislature, well known for her
    activism on behalf of students in poor urban neighborhoods.  She's
    considered a likely nominee for Commissioner of Education under the next
    governor.

    Amos Jr. did a tour of duty in Vietnam, and then went to college on the
    G. I. Bill. He inherited his father's entrepreneurial bent, and after
    getting his degree in business administration he took over the Fresh Air
    Taxicab Company and expanded it into a thriving, city-wide enterprise
    with a fleet of over 50 cabs. He sold the company in the mid-1970s,
    providing his parents with a comfortable retirement, and allowing him to
    invest substantially in real estate, which remains his primary interest
    today. He's currently deeply involved in the gentrification movement
    which has rebuilt and restored many of the elegant old brownstones in
    Harlem, and has also established the William L. Taylor Foundation, in
    memory of his grandfather -- providing grants and scholarships for
    would-be entrepreneurs.

    Amosandra had originally wanted to become a nurse -- following in her
    mother's footsteps -- but during her college years she turned to social
    issues, and ended up changing her major to Cultural Studies, going on to
    become a professor in that discipline. She and her father ended up
    estranged for many years as a result of the conflict between her
    outspoken progressivism and his more conservative outlook, but they
    eventually reconciled.

    ...or, given the upbringing they had, and the ideals which their father
    believed in, that's how I'd visualize them all ending up.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:16:52 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Abbott and Costello blooper

    zbob@[removed] asked:

>     Some of A & C's films have been discussed lately - I have a puzzler
>     about "... Meet Frankenstein".  About 50 minutes into the film, Dracula is
>     wandering about, and we can see his reflection in a mirror (???) What gives?

    You are probably referring to the scene where Dracula leans forward to bite
    the nurse's neck so she would become his willing slave.  According to film
    historian Greg Mank, the editors at Universal Studios was supposed to delete
    the reflection of Lugosi out of the mirror after filming.  This is why they
    purposely filmed in front of the mirror.  They plain forgot all about it
    until the film was already completed and duplicated and shipped out to
    theaters for distribution.  Just a simple mistake, nothing exciting.  Over
    the decades, Universal hasn't gone to the trouble of deleting Lugosi's
    reflection (he's a vampire darn it!) so even with the recent DVD release,
    the reflection is still seen in the mirror.

    On a humorous side, reflections in mirrors are picked up quite a number of
    times.  Almost everyone on this Digest is familiar with A CHRISTMAS CAROL
    (aka SCROOGE) the 1951 version with Alistair Sims as Scrooge.  Towards the
    end in his bedroom when he starts to go crazy having just finished his final
    visit with the Ghost of Christmas Future, Scrooge stands in front of a
    mirror for about 20 or 30 seconds getting dressed and you can see a
    technician in the background holding one of the lights on the pole.  Clearly
    captured in the reflection of the mirror - now go enjoy your annual viewing
    of A CHRISTMAS CAROL this year.

    Martin

    [removed]  If anyone has seen SPARTICUS with Kirk Douglas (early 1906s), they
    probably observed a four-wheel vehicle driving in the distance in the
    background during the scene where the Romans are crusifying the Christians.
    This is another blooper I am surprised they have not removed over the years.
      Course, that film had numerous directors because of complications on the
    set so I'm not too surprised.

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:08:20 -0500
    From: <otrbuff@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Dragnet

    I read that "L. A. Dragnet" is among the casualties at ABC-TV, being yanked
    from the schedule.  Interesting.  Does that mean the successful two-man team
    from last season was better than the current plethora of investigators?  Or
    maybe last year's show was truer to its roots?  Jack Webb wouldn't recognize
    it by any stretch now.

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:08:36 -0500
    From: <otrbuff@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Ginny Simms

    Popular vocalist Ginny Simms, who sang with Kay Kyser in the 1930s and early
    1940s, went on to become a star of radio, records and movies in the 1940s.
    She was out of show business when she married third husband Donald W.
    Eastwold Sr. in 1962.  She had been running a real estate development
    concern as a sideline for years and Eastwold was her business partner.
    Pretty soon a development under their auspices in the California desert went
    financially sour and they moved on to Brainerd, Minnesota and launched
    another huge development.  But lo and behold, it went sour, too, and they
    incurred the wrath of a number of hostile parties there.  So vehement was
    the outburst that the Eastwolds fled, literally disappearing from sight in
    the late 1960s to reportedly avoid legal hassles and potential prosecution
    for wrongdoing (so I've read in an introspective).  The trail grows cold at
    that point.  They were living in Hawaii when Ginny's father died there in
    1978.  And eventually they returned to California.  Ginny died at Palm
    Springs in 1994 and Don in 1999.  This is all fascinating, but I wonder if
    anyone knows how their legal difficulties were resolved and where they spent
    say 1968-1978?

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:08:47 -0500
    From: "Dandrea, Chris" <ChrisD@[removed];
    To: "OLD TIME RADIO LIST (E-mail)" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Source for THE ADVENTURES OF DAGWOOD &
     BLONDIE???????

    Hello all,

    I am looking for a source for some DAGWOOD & BLONDIE radio shows. I
    understand not many are around but I hope someone can point me to a source of
    as many shows as possible. I would like them in MP3 format if possible but
    will take what I can find.

    Thanks
    Chris

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:08:57 -0500
    From: Bob Fells <rfells@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  John Barrymore OTR

    I am enjoying the discussion concerning OTR Shakespeare and the
    competing NBC and CBS series during the summer of 1937. John Barrymore's
    own involvement in broadcasting evolved in a rather spectacular way.
    Apparently, his first experience was in a circa 1928 special broadcast
    sponsored by Dodge Brothers and starring Douglas Fairbanks (Sr.),
    Charlie Chaplin, Delores  Del Rio and Barrymore. The event was something
    of a fiasco due to poor reception and Barrymore is said to have remarked
    afterwards that he "didn't think much" of radio.

    By the mid-1930s he was guesting on several shows but his 1937
    Shakespeare series on NBC seems to be his first continuing appearance on
    the air. In the fall of 1940, he was "discovered" by Rudy Vallee for his
    Sealtest show and became a regular attraction playing a parody of
    himself.  A few rehearsal recordings that I've heard of these shows
    suggest that Barrymore enjoyed himself and at least one of Barrymore's
    biographers has written that when one wisecrack seemed too personal that
    even the producer objected, Barrymore waved away the complaint saying
    that "it's just a joke."

    However, I was surprised to learn that Barrymore was actually the host
    on Texaco Star Theater during late 1938 into early 1939. I have obtained
    two of these shows, 10/12/38 and a Christmas show, but other broadcasts
    seem elusive although I understand that they do exist. If anybody knows
    a source for additional Texaco shows with Barrymore, I would be grateful
    for the info. Please feel free to contact me off line.  Thanks.

    Bob Fells

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:31:45 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Reflecting Upon Vampires

    Zbob, speaking of the "Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein," notes,

>     Some of A & C's films have been discussed lately - I have a puzzler
>     about "... Meet Frankenstein".  About 50 minutes into the film, Dracula
>     is wandering about, and we can see his reflection in a mirror (???) What
>     gives?

    Oh, _that_.  They used special vampire-reflecting mirrors, available on
    Hollywood sets.  What puzzles me is that A&C never even met Frankenstein,
    though they did have a brush with his monster.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:27:56 -0500
    From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed];
    To: Old-Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Lizzie Borden

    Over the years, the actual Lizzie Borden case has been the subject of
    much speculation -- but very few new facts.  The reason:  it is,
    technically, still an open investigation.  Lizzie Borden was, in fact,
    acquainted of all charges (in spite of the school-yard chant and the
    song).  After the publicity died there, she lived out her life in
    relative obscurity.

    It occurred long ago; investigative and lab techniques were not what
    they are today.  The police never figured out who really did it (they
    continued to believe it was Lizzie).  Arnold Brown, author of "Lizzie
    Borden: The Legend, The Truth, The Final Chapter" (Dell) doesn't know.
    And Paul Harvey certainly doesn't know.

    However, if you would like to investigate, the Lizzie Borden house in
    Fall River, MA is (or was a couple of years ago) a bed-and-breakfast.
    Stay there, bring your Dick Tracy Junior G-man kit and have a ball!

    Alan

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:28:13 -0500
    From: Alldavid@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  japanese planes
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain

    Sorry for the late follow-up.

    The discussion about Japanese warplanes
    in World War II reminded me about one
    of the finest puns of WWII.  it occurred
    on Amos & Andy.

    Andy is trying to locate somebody,
    and, though never having been in the
    military, he passes himself off as a
    sailor to get into the USO.

    He is enticed into telling war stories
    to prove that he is a veteran, and
    starts talking about shooting down
    Japanese aircraft with a .22.

    One veteran challenges him:
    "You can hit _nothing_ with a .22."

    Andy: "That's right.  But we shooting
    at _Zeros_."

    Dave Hatch
    Columbia, Md.

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:08:31 -0500
    From: Tom Greenli <tom_greenli@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Listening In Style

    Steve Salaba asked:

>     "I am looking for a 1930-1940 reproduction "Cathedral" style radio with
>     a CD player instead of the cassette tape deck. The CD player must be a
>     newer model which plays MP3 format. I collect Old Time Radio programs in
>     MP3 format and would like a "proper radio" to play these old programs
>     in. Thank You.

    Hi Steve,

    Crosley Radio [removed] makes some great stuff.  However
    none of them play MP3 files as you (and I) are looking for. I gave them
    a call and asked why they don't offer this option.  They replied that they
    had one in the works and to check the website or call back in a few months.
    Keep your fingers crossed.

    Tom

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    Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:29:33 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  11-12 births/deaths

    November 12th births

    11-12-1903 - Jack Oakie - Sedalia, MO - d. 1-23-1978
    comedian: "Jack Oakie"s College"
    11-12-1911 - Claudia Morgan - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-17-1974
    actress: Carolyn Allen Walker Kramer Nelson MacDonald; "Right to Happiness"
    11-12-1911 - Clay Bryant - Madison Heights, VA
    baseball analyst: "Baseball with Clay Bryant"
    11-12-1918 - Jo Stafford - Coalings, CA
    singer: "Tommy Dorsey Show"; "Ford Show"; "Chesterfield Supper Club"
    11-12-1922 - Kim Hunter - Detroit, MI - d. 9-11-2002
    actress: "Medicine USA"; "Philco Radio Playhouse"; "CBS Mystery Theatre"

    November 12th deaths

    04-30-1908 - Eve Arden - Mill Valley, CA - d. 11-12-1990
    actress: Connie Brooks "Our Miss Brooks"; Libby Collins "Lux Radio Theatre"
    05-30-1917 - Peter Leeds - Bayonne, NJ - d. 11-12-1996
    actor: Eugor "Rogue"s Gallery"; "Bob Hope Show"; "Stan Freberg Show"
    07-07-1891 - David Ross - NYC - d. 11-12-1975
    actor: Bob "Mary and Bob"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 03:36:00 -0500
    From: lois@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
    and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
    over six years, same time, same channel!

    Our numerous "regulars" include one of the busiest "golden years" actors in
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    Hollywood shows; a New York actor famed for his roles in "Let's Pretend" and
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    maintainer of the best-known OTR Digest (we all know who he is)..........

    and Me

    Lois Culver
    KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
    KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
    and widow of actor Howard Culver

    (For more info, contact lois@[removed])

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