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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 382

Table Of Contents: 

	 The Lone Ranger's first name
	 Re: books and such
	 Roma Wine
	 Re: Lone Ranger and Hollywood
	 Jack Kirkwood
	 Re: LONE RANGER origin/GERALD MOHR
	 Shoelaces episode
	 78 turntables, cartridges, needles
	 Old Wine From New Bottles
	 Walter Phillips-Late Night on WLW
	 MYSTERY OF THE "SHOELACES"

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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:07:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "'A. Joseph Ross'" <lawyer@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Lone Ranger's first name
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
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> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 09:47:52 -0400
> From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
> To: [removed]@[removed]
> Subject: Re: New LONE RANGER movie, WAR OF THE WORLDS, FRANK NELSON
> Message-ID: <961009094752_205905667@[removed]>
> 
> Fran Striker never gave The Lone Ranger a first name,
> wanting his character to be a man who had buried his identity to become The
> Lone Ranger.  I've always felt The Lone Ranger's real name was perhaps
> "Britt", and that Dan Reid Jr. had named his own son not Dan Reid III but
> "Britt Reid" after the uncle who had raised him.   

As I posted a few months ago, there was remember one radio show in which
there was someone who knew the LR's name.  I missed part of the show, but
my father heard it all.  When I asked him if they had mentioned the LR's
first name, my dad replied that his name was "John Reid."  So I wasn't
surprised when that name was used in the movie.  I doubt my father made up
the name, but unfortunately, I can no longer ask him. 

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A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                                      617/367-0468
15 Court Square                                   lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2573                    [removed]~lawyer/
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 00:50:11 4
From: "edcarr" <edcarr@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: books and such
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

for those of you comeing to the 
convention i'll have some printed
copies of the books for sale
that i'am putting here in the digest
there aren't many,it might be a good
idea to take one over night look at
what you might be interested in and
jot down those [removed]'am doing it
here for those of you who have wanted
certain ones and would not be going.
another matter,
i have 1 akai 255d reel to reel tape
player for sale,this has the glass heads
it needs a minor speed adjustment,about
one year ago i had the other problems
sorted out it cost me $75 for this.
it plays fine and records [removed] this.
as i have 14 other reel to reel players
i felt it wasn't worth anymore money
invested,i'll sell it for $125 firm,you
invest the rest and you'll have a excellent
player,i've sold many machines at the convention
everyone knows i give 100% on anything.
another matter
who is interested in a 24 pin panasonic printer
for $20.
another matter.
i  have a akai gx8 cassette deck for sale
$150 3 head etc,i will give an explanation
of it if you'll call [removed]
if serious about anything here and you are
comeing to the convention i'll bring the item
                                     edcarr@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 01:16:44 -0400
From: Ann A Davenport <[removed]@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <otr@[removed]>
Subject: Roma Wine
Message-ID: <199610100116_MC1-A9E-B720@[removed]>

Bill Scherer has asked about Roma wine for the second time, so I guess I'll
put in what I know about it.  I am in the unique position of being an OTR
dealer (Radio Memories) and a retail liquor dealer (Warehouse Liquor
Markets).  I used to sell Roma wine, but as far as I know the product is no
longer made.  Years ago, before wine became popular, about the only wines
that you saw for sale in this country was ROMA, ITALIAN SWISS COLONY, and
TAYLOR NEW YORK STATE wines.  When dinner wines from California and France
began to take over the market in the late 60's and early 70's Roma pretty
much gave up because their primary sales were in Sherries and Ports which
pretty much died out about this time.  Trying to find a bottle of Roma wine
would be like giving your local Blue Coal dealer a call.  Ted Davenport

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:53:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Don Strong <dons@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Lone Ranger and Hollywood
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

In the 1980's, there was a feature version of the Lone Ranger, and it was 
done poorly enough (and butchered the storyline so bad) that it bombed.  
I'd guess that it will be at least another couple of years before anyone 
is brave enough to try again.

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  Don Strong                                         email dons@[removed]

           For gaming supplies, go to  [removed]

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Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 23:00:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: BURT WILSON <futurecon@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jack Kirkwood
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Just reading the Kirkwood name brings back these memories:

Kirkwood:  I'm a-goin' sloppy.

Sloppy Sue:  You're a goin', dead-eye.

Kirkwood:  I'm a-goin', Sloppy, but before I [removed]

Sloppy Sue:  Yeh, dead-eye.

Kirkwood:  Before I go, I want ya to promise you'll throw my body in the well.

Sloppy Sue:  Why's that, dead-eye.

Kirkwood:  I always wanted to be buried in the spring.

                                    ALSO

Phone rings.

Kirkwood:  Kirkwood hotel.  Yes.  You say you're in room 301 and you have no
           floor?  Hmmmmm.  The fellow in 201 has no ceiling.

Phone hang up.

>From memory, after all these years.  Why do we remember such trivia after
all these years?  I guess it made an impression on us when we were young.
Give 'er
a little more turpentine, Johnny!
Burt Wilson

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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 08:18:09 -0400
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: LONE RANGER origin/GERALD MOHR
Message-ID: <961010081808_206878853@[removed]>

Bruce Rudesill's source's say The Lone Ranger's origin had been developed on
radio before the movie serial.  Not so!  There's been a lot of new research
in the last ten or fifteen years.  Dave Holland went through the first 3000
radio scripts while researching his wonderful FROM OUT OF THE PAST: A
PICTORIAL HISTORY OF THE LONE RANGER.   The first radio show to mention the
ambush of the Texas Rangers was on October 13, 1941, three years after the
movie serial, and on that broadcast Fran Striker placed the ambush in Grant's
Pass as it had been in the movie serial.  Soon after, Striker retold the
origin story in a hardcover book, "The Lone Ranger Rides" (as I recall), with
the ambush now set in Bryant's Gap.  In the 1941 radio origin, a young woman
first found the lone  survivor and washed and bandaged his wounds before
Tonto arrived on the scene.  The classic origin we know and love was first
told on the 15th anniversary broadcast in 1948, fifteen years into the run,
and was retold the following year in the first LONE RANGER television shows.
 The 1942 Christmas storyline introduced Dan Reid and were the first shows to
give the Ranger the name Reid, so the LONE RANGER was named after the GREEN
HORNET, not vice versa.  Britt Reid had the name first.  During the 1930s,
Striker hinted that the LONE RANGER's mask might conceal the features of a
famous figure of Western history.  Like Walter Gibson's slow development of
THE SHADOW's origins, Striker wisely kept the Ranger a Man of Mystery until
he came upon the perfect origin.  Many of the sourcebooks from the 1960s and
1970s got these details wrong, relying on inexact memories of listeners and
their own personal prejudices against the movie serials, etc.  I perpetuated
some of this same misinformation in my liner notes for the 1977 Nostalgia
Lane LONE RANGER record album.  Dick Osgood's WYZIE WONDERLAND is a great
book, but he too falls victim at times to inaccurate memories and boastful
claims.  Ernie Winstanley claimed to have been the first "Dan Reid" way back
in 1933 or 1934 but the character wasn't introduced until the Christmas
series in 1942.  We're stuck with the LONE RANGER being named "John Reid"
because of the faulty memories of some nostalgia book authors back in the
1960s.  Ranger Reid never had a first name in either the radio or television
series, but the name entered into Ranger lore via the disasterous 1980 movie.
 
     Speaking of Gerald Mohr -- Wasn't he the narrator of THE LONE RANGER
television series? -- Anthony Tollin 

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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:25:46 -0400
From: jorite@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Shoelaces episode
Message-Id: <v01530501ae82a90f1770@[[removed]]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Am I the only one who already has most, if not all, the other Benny
Christmas shows, and now objects to paying close to thirty dollars to get
this particular episode? I intend to wait until I can purchase it without
having to buy duplicates of shows I already have.

Joe Wright

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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:30:12 -0400
From: KarlP57@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: 78 turntables, cartridges, needles
Message-ID: <961010093011_123314790@[removed]>

Regarding a source for 78 RPM turntables:

Try Esoteric Sound at 630-960-9137. They have several affordable options.

Karl Pearson

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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:38:15 -0400
From: Robert Kirk <kirk@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Old Wine From New Bottles
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

On  9 Oct 1996 23:04:18 CST  [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>[removed] so no one knows what happened to Roma wines?
>

Probably the same thing that happened to:

"C-R-E-S-T-A   B-L-A-N-C-A, Cresta (pause) Blanca"

Gone to the great wine press  in the sky.

Bob Kirk

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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:28:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Ouzts <jouzts@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Walter Phillips-Late Night on WLW
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

I am looking for information/tapes of the late-night talk/call-in show 
hosted by one Mr. Phillips (I believe his name was Walter) in the 50's
from WLW in Cincinnati.  I have contacted the station, who referred me to 
a source who referred me to a source who referred me to another source.
Empty-handed I here sit.  Anyone out there remember the show?  Any 
assistance?  Thanks.

Jim


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                       James W. Ouzts, [removed], CCCA 
                         jouzts@[removed]
  Chairman and Professor                        Speech and Hearinge Clinic
  Department of                                 Delta State University
  Audiology and Speech Pathology                137 Bailey Hall
  DSU Box 3372                                  601-846-4110
                          Cleveland, MS 38733
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 12:17:44 -0400
From: AIC4Radio@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: MYSTERY OF THE "SHOELACES"
Message-ID: <961010121743_207037195@[removed]>

Regarding the "Shoelaces" [removed]
>
>Before it presumably propagates into six thousand duplicates circling
>the globe, I'd like to know: Where _did_ this come from?

Regarding the Mystery Of The "Shoelaces" Episode, this show was not "lost" at
all, but residing comfortably in the archives of an old time radio collector,
who "found" Adventures in Cassettes many years ago. One day, while chatting
amiably with Valerie about old time radio, the discussion turned to "missing"
episodes. 

Where are all the "I Love A Mystery" programs? 
Where are the 15-minute Arch Oboler shows? 
WHERE IS THE JACK BENNY "SHOELACES" SHOW? 

Weeellllll, to make a long-story short, this collector said, "I have that
one." After Val picked herself up off the floor --- and grabbed her teeth
from whence they flew  -- a small amount of convincing procured the episode
for our Jack Benny Holiday Album.

We've been asked to keep the collector's name anonyous. This person does not
travel in "known" OTR collector circles and prefers to remain a shadow in the
OTR world. Does this generous OTR fan have other "lost" shows? 

Only The Shadow knows! :-)

Sue Hamilton (who votes for Harrison Ford to play Paladin in HGWT)
Valerie Hughes (whose teeth really don't fly out & who will be at SPERDVAC in
Nov)
Barbara Cook (who will be in Newark next week and also has her own teeth)
Adventures in Cassettes
AIC4Radio@[removed]
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