Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #492
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Date: 12/18/2002 3:03 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 492
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Harry Bartell                         [ "mike ray" <mikeray42@[removed]; ]
  Great Gildersleeve Episode            [ Kristine_Rutti@[removed] ]
  The Shadow Knew                       [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  Re: Great Gildersleeve episode        [ "Elizabeth Thomsen" <ethomsen@ethom ]
  BBC 7 and recording soundtracks       [ "david rogers" <david_rogers@hotmai ]
  Re: Douglas Fairbanks                 [ GOpp@[removed] ]
  Latest [removed]                      [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  London and Daylight savings time      [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  Oversized CDs                         [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  Relax Archie, Relax                   [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]
  "City Hospital"                       [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
  "Big Little Jesus" (1953) online      [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
  Young Members                         [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 16:23:07 -0500
From: "mike ray" <mikeray42@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Harry Bartell

I, like so many of us on the digest are enjoying the writings of Harry
Bartell. He is a national treasure.  He truly deserves to be honored at the
Kennedy center like so many other artiest are so honored. It's clear that the
body of his work places him in that very high level of achievement. I hope
many of you on the digest are keeping Harry's postings. As the years go by
his first hand accounts will prove even more valuable than they are today.
However, I still remain puzzled by Harry's difficulty in speaking about or
even mentioning the name Bob Bailey as you see from his most recent
[removed]"I can't very well knock Johnny Dollar. I did the show well over
50 times and that many checks have a tendency to cast a rosy glow over the
scripts. But, in the cold hard perspective of 50 years later, the show was
formulaic, carried by the personality of the leading character."......This is
the most recent in a long line of examples of postings and interviews of
Harry either by passing Mr. Bailey altogether or drifting away from him as
quickly as possible. It's clear, that Harry is up to the task of talking
about his colleagues, as he will gladly reminisce about Vic Perrin, Jack
Johnstone, John Dehner, Virginia Gregg, and scores of others. And for this I
personally am very grateful. For Harry Bartell represents a fantastic link to
our great CBS past, as well as other avenues. Perhaps one day, Harry might
take time to write a paragraph or two about his time with Mr. Bailey. That
would be a wonderful treat. However, on the other hand, if Harry would
continue on as he is doing presently, I'm sure that myself and others will
respect his wishes, even if we don't understand. Merry Christmas Harry
Bartell. May God grant you many more.
Best regards,
Mike Ray

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:15:49 -0500
From: Kristine_Rutti@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Great Gildersleeve Episode
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Laurie wrote:

I am looking for the Great gildersleeve episode on when Marjorie is
getting
married and she is up in the attic and talking about her parents. Can
anyone
help me locate this show.

Laurie, I believe the episode you are looking for is from April 19, 1950,
"Marjorie's Wedding Gown".

I know that a good friend Jerry Haendiges can get the episode for you.
Feel free to contact him at:

Jerry Haendiges  Phone/Fax: 562-696-4387
E-Mail: jhaendiges@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:34:04 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Shadow Knew

Ian Grieve asks about a The Shadow record,

I am assuming that it is a re enactment :)  This is the description
supplied to me.  <snip>  Near mint Metro records cat. no. 2356 163,
titled The Official Adventures of The Shadow.  Starring the cast of the
radio show in The Computer Calculates, But The Shadow Knows. and The Air
Freight Fracas.

This was _not_ a reenactment.  It was two new The Shadow shows.  I had a
copy of the record until I lost it in a move. :-(   It was a nice piece
of nostalgia, but it could have been aired if The Shadow was still being
broadcast at the time of release.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:10:33 -0500
From: "Elizabeth Thomsen" <ethomsen@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Great Gildersleeve episode

I am looking for the Great gildersleeve episode on when Marjorie is getting
married and she is up in the attic and talking about her parents. Can
anyone help me locate this show.

It's the episode generally known as "The Wedding Gown," broadcast 4/19/50.
 It's one of the few episodes in which Marjorie and Leroy's parents are
even mentioned, which is something that always bothers me about the show.
 My annotation for this program is here:
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Elizabeth Thomsen
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:22:42 -0500
From: "david rogers" <david_rogers@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  BBC 7 and recording soundtracks

For those looking for BBC7 you may want to try this link which works on my
computer:

[removed]*/ev7/live24/bbc7/[removed]

A while ago there were a few postings about recording the audio of movies
and TV to listen to. I have some old shows in .rm format and I have been
converting the audio track by using Streambox Ripper. Any ideas about
recording the audio of .avi files (apart from Total Recorder which does it
in real time)?

I was going to ask if the cricket challenge refered to the Australian or
English summer but then I realised that it would make no difference. Can I
live with the shame?

Love as always, David Rogers

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:50:47 -0500
From: GOpp@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re:  Douglas Fairbanks

The "centennial" item posted in the last OTR Digest reminded me of a
lesson in humility once learned by Douglas Fairbanks:

Fairbanks, at the peak of his popularity as a silent-screen swashbuckler,
once booked an ocean voyage in order to escape the mobs of his adoring
fans in Hollywood. Fairbanks and his son, Douglas, Jr., were taking a
stroll on the deck of the ocean liner when they saw a little old man
coming in their direction.  Until then, the screen star had been lucky
enough not to be recognized by anyone aboard ship.  Not this time,
though.  When the man happened to look in their direction, Fairbanks saw
the old gentleman's eyes light up with the spark of recognition.

"I'll bet I gave him an autograph once, and he'll of course think that I
should remember him," Fairbanks whispered to his son as the man
approached them. "Well, I've had it. I took this cruise to get away from
this sort of thing. For once, I'm going to tell a fan exactly what's on
my mind."

Sure enough, the little man walked up to Fairbanks and said, "You don't
recognize me, do you?" Fairbanks lit into him for two or three minutes,
berating the old gentleman about how big a star he was, how many fans he
met every week, and how he could not possibly be expected to remember
most of them.

The old man was visibly crushed. "I'm terribly sorry, Mr. Fairbanks," he
said meekly.
"Of course, you're absolutely right. I just thought there was some chance
you might remember. We met last week at David Sarnoff's house.  My name
is Marconi."

- Gregg Oppenheimer
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 20:51:18 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Latest [removed]

Harry Bartell's musings on radio writers and writing was one of his best. I
am partial to radio writers and he touched on some of my favorites.

I do have a question for anyone - not sure if Harry can answer it - but in
watching the old Gunsmoke TV shows on the Western Channel lately, I noticed
virtually the complete run are scripts by Kathleen Hite - who I knew of as
a radio writer.

Was she the principal writer for the early Gunsmoke episodes (most do not
feature Chester, but some do)?  These are generally the episodes directed
by Norman McDonnell and produced by Frank Paris - aka the current run on
the Western Channel.

Unfortunately, I do not have Gabe and Suzanne Barabas' book on Gunsmoke, so
I cannot simply look it up.

[Sort of an otr question!!!]

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 21:24:38 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  London and Daylight savings time

Chris Holm wrote:

London will be either 4 or 5 hours ahead of the [removed] East coast depending on
whether or not it is daylight savings time.

Actually, not so. London time is on the same Daylight Savings schedule we
on the Eastern Standard/Daylight Time are with the exception of about one
week at the beginning of April.  Quite honestly, it is so minuscule, that I
never figure it in and always work from the 5 hour less time frame. I know
it is not perfect science, but it works. They also shift to Daylight
savings time, so it is always 5 hours (except for that one week).

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:22:40 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Oversized CDs

Andrew Steinberg asked:
"I purchased some discs with MP3s on them. When I copy the discs to my hard
drive and them copy them back to a generic 700 MB, 80 minute CD-R, there
are five or more MP3s left over per disc that will not fit on my blank disc. "

This is a process called "overburning."  Some types of CD writers can
perform what has been called "overburning" which is the process of putting
more on a CD than will normally fit by writing in the leadout section of
your CD-R(W) and in some cases more which adds instability to the
data.  This is partly a function of your CD-ROM drive and not all will do
it. My Plextor has the ability, though I personally don't use it. Keep in
mind, this is not the same as burning onto oversized CDs such as the 80
minute kind. Overburning requires newer firmware.

Secondly, you need software that will support overburning. I use Nero
[removed], which has the capability. Under the preferences section, under
expert features is a box to check if I want to overburn (note, it does
require burning as disc-at-once). Once I check the box, I then enter the
max minutes/seconds I will try to record to the CD.

Different CD-ROM discs have different max burn capabilities. You need to
know the max you can push your CD-ROM. I have for example, a Philips CDR80
disc which I can push to about 83 minutes.

All in all, I would personally steer away from overburning and buying
overburned discs. Obviously, you did not know what you are getting, which
is in my opinion a deception by the seller. You cannot always read
overburned CDs in some readers and the data can be unstable.

Sorry to all who found the above tech-talk boring. Now back to otr.

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:15:47 -0500
From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Relax Archie, Relax
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Well, I just got around to reading Hal Stone's book and got through it in one
sitting - just like the author promised I would.

It was everything our previous reviewers said, breezy, informative and fun.
It seems like all of the women who worked in radio were beautiful, all the
men were right guys and even the occasional sponsor could be okay.

Hal really captured the fun of being a successful child actor in the book and
the great number of happy endings -- not only for him but for the people he
knew -- is another testament to how great a medium radio was.

You can compare this book to "Treadmill to Oblivion" by Fred Allen to see
what a difference a few years makes.  Allen as a mature performer who emerged
as a star in vaudeville always hated radio and television for the way they
chewed up and spat out everything they touched.  His best buddies were the
guys he rode the rails with in vaudeville and never felt as at home in radio
with the sponsors and network executives intruding on his art.

You see echoes of that with Mr. Stone's book as well.  Much as Allen's people
were vaudevillians, Stone's people were his early theater and Archie
companions.  The same fun loving "we're young and loving it spirit" that
Allen ascribed to vaudeville, Stone ascribes to radio.  Having grown up doing
commercials, the sponsors didn't bother him the way they bothered Fred Allen.

It must also be said that "The Fred Allen Show" was aiming a lot higher than
"Archie Andrews" and Allen's obsessive pursuit of excellence would naturally
more often put him in conflict with the network brass than a relatively
innocuous children's sitcom's writers.

Hal writes lovingly of Friends of Old Time Radio, in particular his 1994
appearance that was my very first OTR convention (and as I've recounted
several times, Mr. Stone was the first radio pro I was privileged to share a
table with when I was still slack-jawed at the thought of actually meeting
the people I'd been listening to on tape all these [removed]) and REPS
Showcase X -- my second trip to Seattle unless I miscount. He gets off
several rounds of applause aimed squarely at us -- the OTR fans -- throughout
the book, pointedly thanking us for keeping the memory of OTR alive so he can
keep taking curtain calls along with his buddies.  Pleasure's all ours - Hal.
Mean that.

Never let it be said that Mr. Stone has worked a career in show business
without learning to suck up to his audience.

And a job of sucking up this good deserves a reward.

Buy the book and enjoy,

Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 04:52:04 -0500
From: lois@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

A weekly [removed]

For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
over five years, same time, same channel!

Our numerous "regulars" include one of the busiest "golden years" actors in
Hollywood; a sound man from the same era who worked many of the top
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and Me

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KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
and widow of actor Howard Culver

(For more info, contact lois@[removed])

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:44:04 -0500
From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "City Hospital"

Hello all.  J. David Goldin shows 9 of these programs, all are AFRTS.  It
looks similar to Dr. Kildaire.  You can read about them at:

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:44:17 -0500
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "Big Little Jesus" (1953) online

Tonight, Tuesday,  I listened to KNX (Los Angeles) radio's broadcast of
Dragnet "Big Little Jesus". You can hear it ONLINE on Wednesday, Dec. 18th at
the 'KNX Drama Hour' website at
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This is the 12-22-53 broadcast. Enjoy!

Herb Harrison

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 10:44:33 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Young Members

I know that there are several young people on this list who did not grow up
with Old Time Radio. I grew up with it and a little bit of me died when when
radio died. What came after did not replace that little bit that died. It made
me miss radio all the more.

My question is to those young people who did not grow up with radio as us
"old-timers" did. How did you first get interested, what happened to make you
love, or at least like Old Time Radio?
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Make your day just a little better, listen to Olde Tyme Radio!

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