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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2011 : Issue 199
                             A Part of the [removed]!
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                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      The Lone Ranger and Tonto             [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
      re: Spike Jones' 100th                [ Jordan Young <jordanyoung50@sbcglob ]
      Home                                  [ JayHick@[removed] ]
      infamous "Adam and Eve" sketch        [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
      12-15 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Bickersons shows and scripts          [ David Loftus <dloft59@[removed] ]
      9,000 AFRS discs discovered           [ Graeme Stevenson <graemeotr@[removed] ]
      Re: OTR Feuds                         [ Michael Hayde <mikeh0714@[removed]; ]
      Fred Ziv in Sci-Fi Magazine           [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Disc Collection Found                 [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      12-16 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:23:02 -0500
    From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Lone Ranger and Tonto

    Alan Bell asked about the Lone Ranger and Tonto, the mine explosion, Butch
    Cavendish, and the number of origin stories.

    Well, the Dec. 7, 1938 story (the second of the Special Anniversary Series)
    according to Terry Salomonson's Lone Ranger Log) is a rewrite of the show's
    12th episode, from Feb. 25, 1933, and tells how the Lone Ranger rescued
    Tonto, who'd been caught in a mine explosion.

    According to "From Out of the Past: A Pictorial History of the Lone Ranger"
    by Dave Holland (page 374), "so in script No. 12, two miners set off a blast,
    then heard a faint voice calling for help. Buried in the landslide was the
    half-breed Tonto! One of the miners wanted to kill him [removed] but the
    Lone Ranger suddenly [removed]"

    Not only was Tonto described as a half-breed, but in that original script, he
    was also an old man. In the 1938 version, narrated by "Cactus Pete", Tonto
    would be the familiar version we know, what Holland describes (also on page
    374, and anachronistically) as "the vigorous Jay Silverheels type."

    Because the term "half-breed" had negative connotations, that term was
    dropped from the description of Tonto for James Jewell's script for April 29,
    1936, according to Holland (pages 374-375).

    Yes, but what about Butch Cavendish? Where does he fit in? Well, the December
    1938 version of the Tonto-caught-in-the-mine-explosion story was broadcast
    after the movie serial in which a group of  Texas Rangers was ambushed. As
    Holland writes (page 378) "it was such a powerfully told story (and so many
    had seen it) it couldn't be _completely_ ignored. Eventually, of course,
    Detroit adopted the same story, but in 1938, Trendle et al liked their story
    better."

    To that end, Cactus Pete makes a reference to the ambush when he says he's
    heard various stories about how the Lone Ranger and Tonto came to be friends,
    and that he "heered" that Tonto had saved the Ranger's life when he and his
    partners had been shot up by outlaws. He goes on to say that this was _after_
    the Ranger had rescued Tonto.

    By 1948, and the 15th anniversary, according to Holland, it was the mine
    blast story that had to be explained. He writes (pages 378-379) that official
    press released reversed the two radio stories. The press release states:
    "Tonto, the Indian who had helped him (after the ambush) disappeared for
    several years and when the Lone Ranger saw the Indian a second time, was when
    Tonto was badly hurt in a blast."

    Holland goes on to say that as the ambush story became the official
    "who-saved-who version", Tonto happened upon the Ranger by chance. But when
    the TV series rolled around in 1949, it was established that they had been
    childhood friends, echoing what Fran Striker had stated in the 1941 novel
    "The Lone Ranger Rides."

    So, originally the Lone Ranger was already Lone Rangering when he met Tonto
    and rescued him from a mine blast. Later, he was rescued by Tonto, started
    Lone Rangering,and met Tonto again (rescuing him this time). Originally, he
    and Tonto were strangers (and it wasn't until the Oct. 15, 1934 episode that
    Tonto first saw the Lone Ranger's face (From Out of the Past, page 357). Then
    they were childhood friends reunited.

    Clear as mud, right?

    Well, at least there's no confusion about The Lone Ranger's first name.

    It's "The."

    Rick

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    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:23:47 -0500
    From: Jordan Young <jordanyoung50@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re: Spike Jones' 100th
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    In honor of Spike Jones' 100th birthday, my new ebook "Spike Jones on
    LP, CD & DVD DVD: A Guide to the Essentials" will be available
    through Kindle beginning this week--in response to the many requests
    from fans and collectors for recommendations, to help sort out the
    must-haves from the tons of issues and reissues over the years. Yes,
    there are some OTR listings among the additional resources, plus an
    intro to Jones' recordings.

    Party hardy,
    Jordan Young
    "Spike Jones Off the Record"

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    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:23:56 -0500
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Home
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    Again, many thanks for all the   well wishes.   I was released from rehab
    today (Dec 14) and am now home.   I have to take it very easy for a while.
    Best, Jay

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    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:24:18 -0500
    From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  infamous "Adam and Eve" sketch
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            I agree with Joe, it was just a 'tempest in a teapot'. The sketch was
    part of "Edgar Bergen
    and Charlie McCarthy's Chase and Sanborn Hour". She was in the sketch with Don
    Ameche
    and Charlie McCarthy portrayed the serpent. The people who hired her to play
    the role were
    fully aware that she'd played similar roles in the movies, so it shouldn't
    have come as any
    great surprise that she put her individual 'slant' on the role when it was
    broadcast. Rather than
    have the writers (who wrote the sketch with her in mind), the people who hired
    her to play the
    role, and the staff who should have had the foresight to realize that there
    would be a possible
    backlash BEFORE they broadcast the sketch on the air, they decided to use her
    as the scapegoat.

            It was unfair to punish her alone for her role in the sketch. I have
    the "Adam and Eve" sketch
    in question and have listened to it. Don Ameche had a few double entendres in
    the part he played,
    but he was never given any punishment for his part. I often wondered why, if
    so many people were
    involved, why she was the only one who was punished with a ban from radio?

    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:24:24 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  12-15 births/deaths

    December 15th births

    12-15-1873 - Harry Humphrey - San Francisco, CA - d. 4-1-1947
    actor: Old Ranger "Death Valley Days"; Horace "Ma and Pa"
    12-15-1883 - Marion S. Barney - San Francisco, CA - d. 4-xx-1968
    actor: "Red Davis"; "Gangbusters"; "We, The People"
    12-15-1888 - Maxwell Anderson - Atlantic, PA - d. 2-28-1959
    writer: "Free Company"; "Keep 'Em Rolling"; "O'Neill Cycle"
    12-15-1891 - A. P. Carter - Poor Valley, VA - d. 11-7-1960
    singer: (Carter Family) "Grand Ole Opry"
    12-15-1896 - Betty Smith - NYC - d. 1-17-1972
    author: "Studio One"; "Hallmark Playhouse"
    12-15-1901 - Gail Bonney - Columbus, OH - d. 12-7-1984
    actor: "Family Theatre"; "Joan Davis Time"; "NBC University Theatre"
    12-15-1904 - George Lessner - d. 5-12-1997
    composer: "The Nightingale and the  Rose"
    12-15-1907 - Bob Hawk - Creston, IA - d. 7-4-1989
    quizmaster: "Take It or Leave It"; "Thanks to the Yanks"; "Bob Hawk
    Show"
    12-15-1914 - Bob Tallman - Colorado - d. 9-10-1995
    writer: "Voyage of the Scarlet Queen", "Cavalcade of America"
    12-15-1915 - Margaret Hayes - Baltimore, MD - d. 1-26-1977
    actor: "Silver Theatre"
    12-15-1916 - Buddy Cole - Irving, IL - d. 11-5-1964
    musician: (Buddy Cole Trio) "Ginny Simms Show"; "Hollywood Showcase"
    12-15-1916 - Richard Powell - Cincinnati, OH - d. 10-20-1996
    script writer: "Topper"; "Dick Powell Show"
    12-15-1917 - Raymond Morgan - Utah - d. 1-18-1975
    announcer: "Chandu, the Magician"; "Murder at Midnight"
    12-15-1918 - Jeff Chandler - Brooklyn, NY - d. 6-17-1961
    actor: Michael Shayne, "Michael Shayne, Detective"; Philip Boynton,
    "Our Miss Brooks"
    12-15-1924 - Dorothy Gregory - d. 2-28-1942
    actor: Jill Jones "Kitty Keene, Incorporated"; "Scattergood Baines"
    12-15-1925 - Alfred Bradley - London, England - d. 4-1-1991
    read and selected scripts for the BBC

    December 15th deaths

    01-04-1918 - Palmer Thompson - Patterson, NY - d. 12-15-1969
    writer: "David Harding, Counterspy"
    01-14-1899 - Carlos P. Romulo - Camiling, Tarlac, Philippines - d.
    12-15-1985
    diplomat: "Information Please"
    01-15-1913 - Stephen Courtleigh - NYC - d. 12-15-1967
    actor: Lamont Cranston/Shadow "The Shadow"
    01-18-1915 - Bob Mosher - d. 12-15-1972
    writer: "Amos 'n' Andy"; "Henry Morgan Show"; "Harry Von Zell Show"
    01-24-1918 - Oral Roberts - near Ada, OK - d. 12-15-2009
    evengelist: "Healing Waters"
    01-28-1910 - Arnold Moss - Brooklyn, NY - d. 12-15-1989
    actor: Philip Cameron "Against the Storm"; Reed Bannister "Big Sister"
    02-15-1919 - Frank Behrens - Sheboygan, WI - d. 12-15-1986
    actor: Billie "Billie the Brownie"; Jack Armstrong "Jack Armstrong"
    03-01-1904 - Glenn Miller - Clarinda, IA - d. 12-15-1944
    bandleader: "Moonlight Serenade"; "USO Matinee"
    03-26-1912 - Al Sloey - d. 12-15-1975
    singer: (Riders of the Purple Sage) "Roy Rogers Show"; "Hollywood Barn
    Dance"
    05-02-1918 - Frank Milano - d. 12-15-1962
    animal sounds: "Bobby Benson and the B-Bar-B Riders"
    05-03-1907 - Degar Lustgarten - Manchester, England - d. 12-15-1978
    author: "The Burden Mystery"
    05-21-1904 - Thomas "Fats" Waller - NYC - d. 12-15-1943
    pianist, singer: "Columbia Variety Hour"; "Saturday Night Swing Club"
    06-03-1904 - Jan Peerce - NYC - d. 12-15-1984
    singer: "Music Hall of the Air"; "A & P Gypsies"; "Golden Treasury of
    Song"
    07-01-1899 - Charles Laughton - Scarborough, England - d. 12-15-1962
    actor: "Three Ring Time"; "Columbia Presents Corwin"; "Blue Ribbon Town"
    07-18-1903 - Chill Wills - Seagoville, TX - d. 12-15-1978
    actor: "Armed Forces Radio Theatre"; "Dinner Bell Round-Up Time"
    07-26-1922 - Blake Edwards - Tulsa, OK - d. 12-15-2010
    writer: "Lineup"; "Richard Diamond, Private Detective"
    08-03-1902 - Irma Glen - Chicago, IL - d. 12-15-1982
    organist: "Irma Glen Lovable Music"; "Vic and Sade"
    09-11-1895 - Harry Tobias - NYC - d. 12-15-1994
    songwriter: "Bud's Bandwagon"
    09-20-1917 - Joe King - Birmingham, AL - d. 12-15-2009
    announcer: "Songs By Morton Downey"; "Walk A Mile"
    09-25-1911 - Lew Davies - Ashland, KY - d. 12-15-1968
    composer: "The Cancer Quack"
    10-09-1913 - John Guedel - Portland, IN - d. 12-15-2001
    producer: "You Bet Your Life"; "People Are Funny"; "Pillsbury House
    Party"
    10-13-1885 - Harry Hershfield - Cedar Rapids, IA - d. 12-15-1974
    comedian: "Stop Me If You Heard This One"; "Can You Top This?"
    11-03-1918 - Bob Feller - Van Meter, IA - d. 12-15-2010
    baseball great: "The Jack Benny Program"
    11-11-1915 - William Proxmire - Lake Forest, IL - d. 12-15-2005
    [removed] senator: "Meet the Press"
    12-02-1910 - Sidney Marshall - d. 12-15-1977
    writer: "Man Called X"; "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar"
    12-05-1901 - Walt Disney - Chicago, IL - d. 12-15-1966
    actor: Mickey Mouse "Mickey Mouse Theatre of the Air"
    12-18-1895 - Harry Kogen - Chicago, IL - d. 12-15-1985
    violinist: "The Bobby Doyle Show"; "The Breakfast Club"

    Ron

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    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:25:10 -0500
    From: David Loftus <dloft59@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bickersons shows and scripts

    Some years ago, I waxed lyrical on this discussion list about the Bickersons,
    and a kindly person either sent me digital copies of a bunch of those shows
    or directed me to a site where I could get them.

    Earlier this year, our iMac crashed and pretty much everything we hadn't
    saved to our external hard drive or didn't already have on discs was locked
    away forever on the internal hard drive . . . unless we wanted to pay a
    thousand dollars or so for the expertise and labor to retrieve it.

    That included all those digital recordings of old Bickersons shows. Now, I
    have a bunch of analogue recordings on a series of cassette tapes issued by
    Paul Rapp and Metacom in 1987, but I'm not sure I have a working cassette
    player or Walkman at this point (everything's CDs and DVDs nowadays), and
    trying to transcribe a show from them would be very laborious and time
    consuming.

    Didn't at least one of the Bickersons shows relate to the Christmas holidays
    -- purchase of gifts and/or a holiday party, or something like that?  If
    someone can point me in the direction of just such a show in the next week,
    I'd be very grateful.  I'd sort of had in mind an idea to perform the script
    with a friend at a holiday party shortly before Christmas itself.

    Of course, if you have access to all the other shows in digital form, I
    wouldn't turn 'em [removed]

    David Loftus
    Portland, Oregon

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    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:25:20 -0500
    From: Graeme Stevenson <graemeotr@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  9,000 AFRS discs discovered
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    Hi Folks.
    I see that 9,000 AFRS discs have been discovered at station KEAD in
    Wake Island in the mid-Pacific. Best way to see the article is to Google the
    title: Vinyl treasure found on Wake Island.

    Cheers ! Graeme ( ORCA / UK )

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    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:25:34 -0500
    From: Michael Hayde <mikeh0714@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: OTR Feuds

    Kenneth Clarke asked about OTR feuds.  Of course, the Fred Allen-Jack Benny "feud" was all in fun; the two men admired and respected each other tremendously.

    The most famous showbiz feud I know of involving two OTR stars is probably that of Dean Martin & Jerry Lewis, although their radio series had ended by the time their first big blow up took place.  I've often wondered if the end of that show had anything to do with it.

    On the final broadcast of their starring series, a July 1953 program which does circulate (it's the one with Gloria Grahame as guest star), they announce that they'll be back in the fall.  It didn't happen; from then on, their only association with NBC would be via television.  On radio, they had appeared weekly, and Martin would sing three songs per half-hour show.  On TV, they appeared on five hour-long shows per season, and Dino had only two songs on each.

    Assuming both sponsor and network were agreeable to continuing the radio series, the decision to end it must have rested with Jerry Lewis, since he was handling the team's business.  Radio was fine for showcasing Dean's vocal prowess, but did little-to-nothing for their comedy.

    Fast-forward to November 1953: the two are hosting a 2-hour fund raiser for Muscular Dystrophy, which was simulcast on ABC radio and TV.  At one point, as Dean introduces vocalist Carole Richards, he explains that she used to appear on their radio show.  Suddenly he stops, turns to Jerry, and slowly asks, "Whatever happened to that show?"

    Jerry and some of the band members laugh it off as a joke, but tension was definitely rising between the two partners by that point.  Their first outburst hit the press in March 1954.  Anyone interested in what happened next can read the three-part series at my blog, which begins here: [removed]

    Michael

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    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:25:42 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Fred Ziv in Sci-Fi Magazine

    Not sure how many people subscribe to the SCI-FI Channel Magazine, but the
    recent issue, February 2012, features a one-page article about a series
    produced by radio pioneer, Frederick Ziv. They make mention (briefly) about
    his pioneering efforts in radio, and a more extensive coverage of Truman
    Bradley's radio credits including JACK ARMSTRONG, THE ALL-AMERICAN BOY.
    Nothing extensive worth seeking the issue out, but if you happen to be in
    Barnes and Noble in the next week or two and want to check it out, it would
    be sitting on the magazine rack.
    Martin

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    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:25:59 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Disc Collection Found

    Michael Amowitz brought this to my attention. In a tale straight from an
    adventure book, contractors here recently stumbled upon a vinyl record
    collection on Wake Island with an estimated value between $90,000 and
    $250,000.     The 611th Air Support Group's Detachment 1 is now making a
    comprehensive effort to preserve the nearly 9,000 vintage vinyls (including
    old time radio show).

    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:20:56 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  12-16 births/deaths

    December 16th births

    12-16-1889 - Kurt Kupfer - d. 3-20-1974
    actor: the kindly Joseph Steinbloch "Romance of Helen Trent"
    12-16-1890 - Jane Morgan - North Platte, NE - d. 1-1-1972
    actor: Mary Lane "Aunt Mary"; Mrs. Margaret Davis "Our Miss Brooks"
    12-16-1892 - Cameron Prud'homme - Auburn, CA - d. 11-27-1967
    actor: Governor Bradley "Little Herman"; David Harum "David Harum"
    12-16-1895 - Andy Razaf - Washington, D. C. - d. 2-3-1973
    lyricist: "Music for Millions"
    12-16-1898 - Lud Gluskin - NYC - d. 10-13-1989
    conductor: "Hollywood Showcase"; "Amos 'n' Andy"; "Advs. of Sam Spade"
    12-16-1899 - Noel Coward - Teddington, Middlesex, England - d. 3-26-1973
    actor, playwright: "Stagestruck"
    12-16-1900 - Jesse Block - NYC - d. 3-22-1983
    comedian: appeared with wife Eve Sully on radio
    12-16-1907 - Albert Gore, Sr. - Granville, TN - d. 12-5-1998
    [removed] senator tennessee: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
    12-16-1907 - Barbara Kent - Gadsby, Alberta, Canada - d. 10-13-2011
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    12-16-1911 - Howard Reilly - d. 11-28-1991
    producer: "The Fred Allen Show"
    12-16-1912 - "Kokomo" Crocker - Tennessee - d. 11-xx-1972
    accordian: "The Swift Jewel Cowboys"
    12-16-1913 - Verlye Mills - St. John, KS - d. 10-2-1983
    harpist: "The Hour of Charm"; "Your Hit Parade"
    12-16-1917 - Arthur C. Clarke - Minehead, England - d. 3-19-2008
    science fiction writer: "The Long John Nebel Show"
    12-16-1918 - Murray Kempton - Baltimore, MD - d. 5-5-1997
    commentator: "Spectrum"
    12-16-1918 - Paul Talbot - d. 7-6-2005
    actor: "It Happened to Me"; "Let's Playwright"
    12-16-1921 - Grace Keagy - Youngstown, OH - d. 10-4-2009
    actor: "A Private Space"
    12-16-1929 - Nicholas Courtney - Cairo, Egypt - d. 2-22-2011
    actor: "Sherlock Holmes vs. Dracula"
    12-16-1946 - Robert Urich - Toronto, OH - d. 4-16-2002
    salesman: WGN Chicago, Illinois

    December 16th deaths

    01-02-1888 - Tito Schipa - Lecce, Italy - d. 12-16-1965
    operatic tenor: "Metropolitan Opera"; "La Rosa Concerts"
    01-25-1874 - Somerset Maughan - Paris, France - d. 12-16-1965
    writer: " Somerset Maughan Theatre"
    02-02-1923 - Haleloke Kahuaolapus - Hilo, Hawaii Territory - d.
    12-16-2004
    singer: "Hawaii Calls"; "Arthur Godfrey Time"
    02-08-1917 - Robert Dryden - d. 12-16-2003
    actor: Doctor West "We Love and Learn"; Sergeant Maggio "Call the
    Police"
    03-03-1919 - Enzo Stuarti - Rome, Italy - d. 12-16-2005
    operatic singer: "Stars for Defense"
    03-07-1906 - Edward Mabley - Binghampton, NY - d. 12-16-1984
    writer: "The American School of the Air"
    03-10-1882 - Lewis J. Valentine - Brooklyn, NY - d. 12-16-1946
    nyc police commissioner: "Gangbusters"
    04-21-1891 - Will Donaldson - Brooklyn, NY - d. 12-16-1954
    composer, arranger, musician: "The Wonder Bakers Orchestra"
    05-08-1908 - Cecil Broadhurst - Winnipeg, Canada - d. 12-16-1981
    actor, singer, writer: "The Vanishing Island"
    05-12-1910 - Jack Jenney - Mason City, IA - d. 12-16-1945
    trombonist: "The Saturday Night Swing Club"
    07-14-1928 - George "Cousin Josh" Rose - Huntsville, AL - d. 12-16-2006
    country singer: "Grand Ole Opry"
    07-23-1895 - Aileen Pringle - San Francisco, CA - d. 12-16-1989
    actor: Anne Hill "Joyce Jordan, Girl Interne"
    07-29-1895 - Bill Corum - Speed, MO - d. 12-16-1958
    boxing color man: "Gillettes's Cavalcade of Sports"
    07-29-1906 - Thelma Todd - Lawrence, MA - d. 12-16-1935
    comedian: Series with Zasu Pitts
    08-02-1886 - Cesare Sodero - Naples, Italy - d. 12-16-1947
    conductor: Series of condensed operas on WEAF New York
    09-19-1879 - Louis Joseph Vance - NYC - d. 12-16-1933
    writer: "The Lone Wolf"
    10-19-1925 - Eddie Layton - d. 12-16-2004
    organist: New York Yankees and many radio programs
    11-05-1948 - Ruth Welting - Memphis, TN - d. 12-16-1999
    coloratura soprano: "Metropolitan Opera"
    11-20-1910 - Ralph Muzzillo - d. 12-16-1985
    trombone: (Benny Goodman's Orchestra) "Let's Dance"
    12-17-1892 - T. Frederick Candlyn - England - d. 12-16-1964
    pianist: WGY Schenectady, New York

    Ron

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