Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #462
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 12/2/2002 11:10 AM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 462
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  radio themes                          [ BH <radioguy@[removed]; ]
  Gildersleeve meets Rudolph            [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE for  [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
  Waltons homecoming OTR                [ vigor16@[removed] ]
  Cinnamon Bear Question                [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
  Johnny Dollar/Sea Hunt Themes         [ "JP" <bickersons@[removed]; ]
  Velocipedes and The Cinnamon Bear     [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
  OTR Clubs                             [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
  OTR BOOKS                             [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
  THEMES                                [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
  Today in otr history                  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  velocipede                            [ "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@charter ]
  Boris Aplon an Image                  [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
  Vaughn Meador - First Family          [ EdHowell@[removed] ]
  Theme songs                           [ otrbuff@[removed] ]
  Re: OTR outsideUSA                    [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Re: Nitpicker:                        [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 23:53:22 -0500
From: BH <radioguy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  radio themes

In response to Judy's inquiry "joe@[removed]" responded:

I don't know about a cassette but I recall an LP of radio themes called
"Themes Like Old Times". Don't recall the label. I may have owned it once or
borrowed from the library. (this probably doesn't help much)

This is a two volume set of "Themes Like Old Times" put out by
Viva Records (V36018 - Vol 1, V36020 - Vol 2). Ninety radio themes
on each record.
The Longines Symphonette Society also put out a record of some of
the more famous radio themes (Radio's Famous Theme Songs), however
this is not the original themes but orchestra renditions of those
themes.

Bill H.

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 00:08:44 -0500
From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Gildersleeve meets Rudolph

Well, not really. But I was watching "Rudolph's Shiny
New Year" this evening with my eight year old cousin
and Hal Peary voiced the character of Big Ben the
Whale. Ben sounded very much like Gildersleeve. Even
the laugh could be heard from time to time.

Peary wasn't the only OTR talent involved in this 1975
special. Red Skelton narrated as Father Time, and also
voiced Baby Bear (using his "Junior, the Mean Widdle
Kid" voice). The Father Time character looked like
Skelton. He even had a tuft of red hair among his
white hair and beard.

Paul Frees was also involved, but I didn't catch which
character(s) he voiced.

On another note, regarding Vaughn Meader. He had a
small role in Rich Little's "The First Family Rides
Again", which spoofed the Reagan White House.

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:40:33 -0500
From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE for week
 starting: Dec 1st

Here's what's on the first week of December on The Olde Tyme Radio Network at:
[removed]  --   streaming audio 24/7

SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges
1. THE ANDREWS SISTERS/THE N-K MUSICAL SHOWROOM 11/28/45
with guests: Abbott & Costello doing "Who's On First?"
2. THE NO-DOUBT WORLD RENOWNED CHAMBER MUSIC SOCIETY OF LOWER BASIN STREET -
9/1/41   Stars:  Paul Leval,  Henry Levine and Diane Courtney.
3. THE BURNS AND ALLEN SHOW  11/4/41   MGM wants Gracie for the role
of "Mrs. North"
4. THE DAY OF THE TRIFFIDS  Episode 3 -  2/28/60  "Conference & Confusion"
stars: Patrick Barr, Marcia Gray, and Gabriel Blunt.

HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood
1. ARCH OBOLER'S PLAYS    NBC   6/17/39    "Immortal Gentleman" starring:
Vic Perrin and Peggy Weber.
2. PHILCO RADIO TIME   NBC  1/7/48   Bing Crosby,  and his guests:  Walter
O'Keefe, and The Lone Ranger/Brace Beemer.
3. COLGATE SPORTS NEWSREEL with BILL STERN     NBC  Program #518
10/7/49   Guest:  Billie Burke  (The "Good Witch" in "The Wizard of Oz")

Enjoy --      Tom & Jerry

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 02:41:04 -0500
From: vigor16@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Waltons homecoming OTR

	Hi all,

Got more Christmas issues.  A couple months ago you had a thing about the
film The Homecoming, Waltons movie from  early 70s.  I took issue with
the belief that they were listening to radio.  Someone said that it was a
Bergan & McCarthy show that the Waltons were listening to.  Well, my copy
of the film confirmed my suspicions, it was F. McGee and Molly.  In fact
it was the show where Fibber loses his keys and shovels snow up the
sidewalk in search of them.  The place in the episode we come in is when
Tinnie offers the "Night before Christmas" song the first time in the
episode.  I saw nowhere where Bergan & McCarthy was aired.  Bergan is the
grandfather, the role later filled by Will Gear.  I hope I have an
original film.  Hey am I missing something in my copy?  Hope not.  Hate
to miss some good OTR, best thing on television.  Happy holidays.

Deric

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:15:58 -0500
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Cinnamon Bear Question

Deric is only one of many currently now listening to the adventures of
Paddy O'Cinnamon, Judy and Jimmy Barton, and the uniquitous Crazyquilt
Dragon. I am only to happy to respond to his questions.

A velocipede is a tricycle (or bicycle). And,  I am pleased  to assure
Deric that the "immense inkwell" is not the twins'  final resting place,
but   I agree that the Inkaboos are a scary lot.

Happy continued listening, Deric. Paddy would be "much obliged to you!"

Dennis Crow

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:15:52 -0500
From: "JP" <bickersons@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Johnny Dollar/Sea Hunt Themes
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I remember the first time I heard the theme from Johnny [removed]
[removed] I pictured Sea Hunt.  I have always thought it was the same theme
and tried to research it without nearly as much success as Mr. Mayer.

Thank you for your [removed] no longer think I'm [removed], at least not
about this :-)

Ruby

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:16:03 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Velocipedes and The Cinnamon Bear

vigor16@[removed] asked:
 >...I was listening to CB like I do every year and a question has been
 > knawing at for for the 7 years we've been doing this around our
 > house.   What is a Velosapeed. It is something Judy Barton is asking
 > Santa for in the first episode. Every year, I mean to ask somebody,
 > now I'm doing it.  I asume it isn't a video game, ha ha.

 > I'd be interested in how long others have done it in recreation and
 > stories families may have about the annual ritual.

Well, it WAS a video arcade game, actually, back in the 80's. But that's
not the one Jimmy wanted, I'm sure. Since I am a night owl, perhaps I'll
be the first of many to respond: a velocipede, in this context, is one
of those quaint old bicycles with the front wheel slightly larger than
the back (not vastly larger than the rear tire like some you've probably
seen pictured). No one had yet come up with the idea of using a chain
yet, so the pedals were attached directly to the front axle; not an
especially efficient machine.

I'm not quite sure why Jimmy used that word; bicycles very much like
those we commute to work on today (or should) were in use well before
the turn of the twentieth century. Perhaps it's just one of those words
that hung on, as older people when I was a lad used to refer to a
refrigerator as an "ice box."

I remember the show very fondly. I usually heard it in my parents old
Nash while being driven home from parochial school; I'm sure I never
heard every episode in any single year but, happily, there was always a
recap at the beginning. Maybe the fact that I always missed a few
episodes helped it to stay new to me, for I never tired of it, though I
don't recall noticing when it vanished from the air. Maybe I'd noticed
girls by then.

My old school chum Karl Edward Wagner, who went on to write and edit
science-fiction and horror stories (coincidentally, one of Karl's
stories, _Sticks_ was dramatized for radio back in the 70's I guess, and
is available from ZBS) recalled it as an important influence on his
youth (well, there WERE some pretty scary parts). Back before there was,
as far as I knew, any sort of OTR hobby, when radio shows were nothing
but memories (only a decade or so old, but that's a much longer time
when you're young), I found a copy of CB on reel to reel - I think I
scraped up the money for the tape recorder just so I could play it - and
Wagner and me listened to the whole thing straight through, if you can
imagine that, much to the consternation of our dates. They were even
more non-plussed when, at the end, two burly men (Wagner was a big guy
who rather resembled his series character Kane) rose spontaneously to
our feet and moved closer to the speaker, staring at it and seeing the
amber dials of our childhood, lumps in our throat and, perhaps, a single
tear winding down the cheek of one of us. Not saying which one.

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:22:43 -0500
From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR Clubs

In issue 461 Elmer asked about OTR groups outside North America.

Ok, who didn't know I was going to post in reply? :)

Elmer, I guess the huge population of people in North America as well as the
huge numbers of shows broadcast in that region will always ensure that the
majority of posts to the Digest or any other group will be weighted in their
favour.  I think that is only fair.  I am happy to write about Australian
shows and discoveries and answer questions as is Jamie who is also on the
list.  The Australian OTR Group is concentrating on incorporation and
finding a host for their website and we will announce the details when it is
finished.  NZ again is a smaller population and I only know of two NZ OTR
people, both of whom are in the Australian Group.

Certainly Canada and the [removed] are well represented in the mp3 groups.

A member of the Digest has started a Commonwealth group which looks after
the countries you listed as well as South Africa.  An announcement of a
major find of South African Transcriptions will be made shortly after all
i's are dotted and the t's crossed.  More and more mp3 collectors are
becoming serious collectors and some fantastic finds are resulting.

Ian Grieve
Australian OTRGroup

[ADMINISTRIVIA: lso, let's not forget that the Internet OTR Digest is
chartered to discuss OTR broadcast in the United States. That doesn't mean
that other countries' OTR is any less important, nor that mentions of it are
"off limits" in the Internet OTR Digest, but it simply isn't the major focus
of _this_ mailing list.

If groups in other countries are interested in mailing lists specifically
geared to their country's OTR (that aren't operated on those ad-filled
"freebie" services), feel free to contact me to discuss the use of the
[removed] mailing list server. No promises, understand, but I'd be happy
to do what I can.  --cfs3]

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:28:27 -0500
From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR BOOKS

I enjoy reading books, have done so all my life.  Over the last couple of
years I have been reading a lot of OTR related books and magazines.  Martin,
you can put me down for your reissue :)

Whilst waiting for Hal's book to arrive, I read George Burns book - Gracie -
A Love Story.  A great read, easy writing style, lots of laughs, just as I
am imagining Hal's book to be.  I highly recommened Gracie - A Love Story if
you can find it, I think mine was off ebay.  I cried on the last page.  My
otr friends asked why, when I knew the ending.  Yes I knew the ending, I
just didn't know THE ENDING.  Hal, you would warn me if your last page was
like that wouldn't you?  I am just a big sook.

Ian Grieve

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:28:40 -0500
From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  THEMES

Lol, guess who is catching up on their emails :)

My favourite OTR theme is Highland Lament which is the theme for The Six
Shooter starring Jimmy Stewart.  I have managed to get the complete theme if
anyone is looking for it.  The Australian Six Shooter had a boring theme in
comparison.

Ian Grieve

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:28:49 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in otr history

>From Those Were The Days --

1932 - The Adventures of Charlie Chan was first heard on the NBC Blue
network. The Chinese detective became even more popular on the movie
screen in the 1930s and 1940s.

Birthdays:

1917 - Ezra Stone, actor: The Aldrich Family; died Mar 3, 1994.

  Joe

--
Visit my home page:
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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:28:55 -0500
From: "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  velocipede

To the Cinnamon Bear listener who wondered what a velocipede is: It is a
type of old-fashioned bicycle or tricycle. Being 45, I have no first-hand
experience with them. I first learned of them from the [removed] Fields movie
"It's a Gift". I have been listening to [removed] with my children at bedtime
during the Christmas season for eight or nine years now. I also use it with
my third grade class. We turn the lights down and listen to it for 15
minutes right before lunch. There are a few who have a hard time "getting
into it" but, contrary to popular belief, the kids of today can enjoy this
kind of thing. TV has not completely killed their imaginations.

Mike Leannah

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 08:53:55 -0500
From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Boris Aplon an Image
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Sandy Singer wrote:

I was stunned the first time I met Boris Aplon. It was on an episode of
Captain Midnight. Boris looked EXACTLY like the character he played -
Ivan Shark.

As did Barbara Watkins also wrote:

I, too, was stunned the first time I met Boris Aplon, but for a different
reason. I met him in the 1980s and he was one of the nicest people around.
He was always immaculately dressed and had the air of a true gentleman.
Nothing like how I imagined Ivan Shark.

See for yourself Boris Aplon during his days in the Forties.

[removed]

CAB

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conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
   From the Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms
     Encino, California.

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:53:18 -0500
From: EdHowell@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Vaughn Meador - First Family

I seldom go to a Goodwill or other bargain store that I don't see the Meador
"First Family" record on sale for 25 cents to a dollar, and usually the
records are in good to like new condition.  I just bought a brand new Jerry
Clower cassette for 25 cents at a place called Closet Treasures, a place run
by a church. They had the First Family LP for a buck and I saw many might-be
collector LPs on the shelf, too, but I just don't have any place to put
anything else!
Personally, I find record prices on web sites to be too high but I suppose if
you live in the boonies there is no other source.

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:53:29 -0500
From: otrbuff@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Theme songs

I have enjoyed the posts of readers of this list about their
recollections of favorite theme songs.  I would have to wholeheartedly
agree with any who said their most identifiable, memorable connection
with such introductory music is Gioacchino Rossini's "William Tell
Overture" which brought The Lone Ranger to the ether.  Who of us today
who lived through that period could ever possibly hear that piece and not
associate it with the great masked rider of the plains?  I'd say it's
next to impossible.

There was a second classical piece that is nearly as well linked to its
series, so much so for me that I cannot distinguish between the tune and
the show when I hear it.  It's Sergei Prokofievís march from "Love for
Three Oranges" which opened The FBI in Peace and War.  In a brilliant
marketing ploy that program's early sponsor linked its commercials with
that evocative tune.  From out of an echo chamber a deep male voice
accompanied by a bass drum bellowed rhythmically ěL-A-V-A!  L-A-V-A!î
preceding the march.  Billions of bars of pumice-laden soap were
dispensed from that bit of ingenuity.

Frankly, I liked theme songs with easily recalled melodies that were
specifically related to the premise of the shows they introduced.  The
Hummerts were masters of this technique.  While they didn't pursue it
consistently, when they could tie it together in a neat package, they did
so.  Who can ever forget the haunting refrain of "Someday I'll Find You"
that played in the background as Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost Persons wafted
onto the airwaves?  It was a marvelous stroke of genius.

Those same producers gave us several daytime serials with memorable
themes that pointed toward their story lines.  A couple of the best were
"The Rose of Tralee" about a girl named Mary, launching (Mary Noble)
Backstage Wife on the air each weekday afternoon.  It was immediately
followed by another superb melody, "How Can I Leave Thee?," on Stella
Dallas.  Stella was a woman who purportedly saw big differences in her
own meager existence and the exalted lifestyle of her newly-wealthy
socialite daughter Lolly-Baby "and went out of Laurel's life."  Not
really.  As the song hinted, mama simply couldn't tear herself away.

The connections between song and saga are sometimes fascinating and leave
much to contemplate.  I look forward to reading others' recollections.

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:53:59 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: OTR outsideUSA

Elmer Standish opined

In perusing the Digest and other sources, most OTR clubs and Resources
are based in either Canada or the USA. Very seldom is reference made
to such organizations in Countries like Australia, New Zealand, the UK,
or others. (SNIP)

I would assume that such clubs, resources, and Internet Sites exist but
does anyone outside North America make contributions to the Digest?

Oh Oh! Elmer, Now you've done it. I expect you will get an earful very
shortly from the Audacious Awesome Aussie. One can hardly get a word in
edgewise around here when Ian Grieve posts.

I would imagine that you are not aware of his frequent contributions,
because he's sneaky. He types his messages in the English language. But if
you read carefully, he slips up every so often and a "G'day mate" appears in
the text.

But I must tell you Elmer. The Aussie contingent has very discriminating OTR
tastes. His Local chapter ordered 3 copies of my book. They are definitely a
force to be reckoned with. I understand Charlie Summers is thinking of
changing the name of this news letter to "The INTERNATIONAL OTR DIGEST". :)

But in all seriousness Elmer, it seems we have Digesters from all over the
globe. I've seen numerous posts from the UK, and even South Africa. (By the
way, how are you Dr. Gavin?) And I just received  a private e-mail from
Japan wanting to know how much it would cost to ship my book over there.
(Thankfully, I won't have to have it translated first.) :)

And I also found out that only about 10% of the Digest membership actually
post messages. They are called "Lurkers". I personally think it would be fun
to hear from the subscribers from outside the [removed] to discover just how far
flung and worldwide the OTR Digest has become. Can we get a poll going?

Hey Charlie! Can we offer a prize for the most exotic location?

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 12:54:25 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Nitpicker:

If nothing else, I'm fair. As quick as I am to post the nice things people
have to say about my recent book, I suppose I shouldn't hide under a rock
when a "barb" is thrown my way.

My Buddy Ron Sayles posts.

In Hal Stone's book, "[removed], Archie! Re-Laxx!," he says, and these are
his exact words, "Bud Collier's (Collyer's) most notable radio credit was in
the lead role of "Mr. District Attorney." I was under the impression that
Collyer's most notable role was that of Superman.

Picky, Picky, Picky. :)

There were lost of nice things I could have said about Bud, (one of the
nicest guys in the business). But since I never listened to (or worked on)
"Superman", I elected to go with Bud's "Mr. District Attorney" role, because
that's the show "I" liked best. So there. :) Not to mention the fact that I
once appeared on it during the period that Bud had the role. Maybe I should
have prefaced everything by saying "Every statement contained in this
manuscript is the authors personal opinion, and only the names were changed
to protect the innocent, or due to the authors inability to spell
correctly".  :)

Is Hal's memory playing tricks on him? Of course at his age, I guess that is
to
be expected, just kidding Hal.

Just for that, you are now cut from my will! :)

I also didn't write about an even more personal relationship with Bud. At
one point in my retirement, I dated a widow lady whose daughter had Bud
Collier as her Godfather. Nor did I go into great detail about Bud's
incredible success as a TV game show host.

(Sigh). When I was a TV director, we had a saying about the people around us
who just had to put their two cents worth in. "Everyone wants to be a
director".  Now, as a writer, history repeats itself. :)

[removed] bottom line, Ron. Do you want your money back? :)

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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