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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 74


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Myrt and marge
	 Re: VHS-Hi-Fi
	 Sons of the Pioneers recording
	 re: announcements of otr
	 Sibelius Second
	 DAT versus VHS versus ????

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 96 05:35:22 -0500
From: welsa@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Myrt and marge
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

    There has been some mention in the past few days of the old radio soap 
opera, Myrt and Marge.  I have a recording of the very first show back in 1931. 
Early on in the show's run, it was revealed that although these two characters 
were sisters on air, in real life Myrtle Vail (Myrt) and Donna Damerel Fick 
(Marge) were mother and daugther.  Daughter died in 1941.  Does anyone know 
from what?
    
    In the the late '30's, when the show was a big success and the stars were 
making good money, they bought a large tract of land on Mille Lacs (a big lake 
in central Minnesota) and built a luxury resort with lodge and dining room and 
bar.  It was called Myr-Mar.  I haven't been passed Mille Lacs in maybe 15 
years, but the place was still in operation at that time, albeit with different 
owners, of course.  In fact Myrtle Vail sold the place not long after her 
daughter's death.
    
    I also note from the cast list that such stalwarts as Cliff Arquette, Teddy 
Bergman, Ed Begley, John Daly and Olan Soule all appeared at various times in 
this granddaddy of soap operas.
    
    
    
    
    
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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 14:03:49 -0500
From: SeptSev@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: VHS-Hi-Fi
Message-ID: <960225140347_153044660@[removed]>

[removed]

I'd like to clarify my pitch for VHS Hi-Fi.  I certainly do not mean to imply
that it is the same as archiving on RTR: I'd say we can all agree that this
medium is by far the best choice.  And I certainly do not wish to imply that
cassettes should not be used; they are also very popular and rightfully so.
 But to many new collectors, RTR equipment is unavailable, or too expensive.
 To some old collectors, hundreds of reels transfered to cassettes would be a
nightmare.  VHS-Hi-Fi is a good way, in my opinion, to transfer complete
reels to use as masters to dup what shows one wants onto cassettes. In my
case, I have been backing up all my old reels (and those of a friend) on VHS
HiFi.  The sound is superior, the tape is inexpensive, and I have it backed
up on RTR in case something goes wrong with the VHS cassette. 
To a new collector, the combination of VHS HiFi and cassettes is ideal. As
one buys or trades cassettes, one can easily back these up onto VHSHiFi,
forming masters.  If something happens to the cassette(and it will,
eventually) it is a simple matter to re-dup from the VHSHiFi.  And if
something happens to the
VHSHiFi master one can re-dup from the cassettes.  Most collectors now
collect on cassette anyway, so they have a tape deck, and if one has  a
VCRHiFi anyway, why not use the machine to back up and master your OTR
cassettes?  In addition, VHS Hi-Fi would be an ideal way to trade six hours
of material at once--like the old full reel collecting days.
 
About the only gray area with VCRHiFi is whether you trust the equipment to
keep a stereo L-R signal separated.  I think if you are transfering many old
RTR masters to VHSHiFi it's far easier to record stereo and take the risk.
 Serious collectors could then--after mixing to cassettes, re-master the
shows back onto VHS-HiFi in the EP 6-hour mode, with both channels of the
VHSHiFi recording one program.  And new collectors who are backing up their
cassettes can do this anyway.

When used in connection with cassettes, I believe VHSHiFi should be
considered.  

Regards,
Thom Bray
septsev@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 12:16:27 -0500
From: Robert Kirk <kirk@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Sons of the Pioneers recording
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>This is slightely off topic but I figure there is someone here on
>the digest that can probably answer my question, which is; when
>did the Sons of the Pioneers first record "Tumbling Tumbleweeds"?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Bill Harris
>billhar@[removed]


July 1946

Bob Kirk

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 13:46:51 -0600 (CST)
From: barrym <barrym@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: re: announcements of otr
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

On Sun, 25 Feb 1996 [removed]@[removed] wrote:

> Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 06:01:33 -0500
> From: Radio41@[removed]
> To: otr@[removed]
> Subject: Radio Theater Hour
> Message-ID: <960225060131_332398409@[removed]>
> 
> Just a quick update on The Radio Theater Hour, a new daily one-hour program
> that follows in the footsteps of the Golden Age. Even though the stories,
> serials and skits are new, it is the rebirth of dramatized commercial radio
> in this country.
> To keep up with everyone's E-mail, I'll just post short lists of stations
> where you can hear this program: (air-times vary)
> KURM - Rogers, AR
> KBBS - Buffalo, WY
> WPAX - Thomasville, GA
> WBAW - Barnwell, SC
> WMMB - Melbourne, FL
> KPSA - Alamogordo, NM
> WPOM - W. Palm Beach, FL
> WADN - Concord, MA
> WEDO - McKeesport, PA
> KONP - Port Angeles, WA
> KJAY - Sarcamento, CA
> I'll post more next week. 
> Jan Hodges
 

This is good info for those that live in one of the above cities,
but in Houston I have no way of finding them.  If you could list
their frequencies it would sure help.  I sometimes can pick up
distant broadcasts if I know where to look.

Thanks
Barry

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Date: Sun, 25 Feb 1996 17:49:28 -0500
From: Dreammac@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
cc: Dreammac@[removed]
Subject: Sibelius Second
Message-ID: <960225174927_431369296@[removed]>

In a message dated 96-02-24 13:43:29 EST, Mr. Richard Veit writes:

>Just for the record, though Sibelius lived
>until 1958, his most popular symphony -- the second of his seven -- was
>actually premiered in Helsinki way back on March 8, 1902. (It's a glorious
>symphony;

Glorious it is indeed. It also happens to be one of the supreme achievements
in the entire symphonic literature.

Peace, David MacMurray

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Date: 26 Feb 1996 06:22:43 GMT
From: [removed]@[removed] (Ron B. Hare)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: DAT versus VHS versus ????
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I'd like to join the debate about archival media. I have been using a real
scary medium - the original 8mm video 6-track stereo PCM format. To my
knowledge there has been only one machine manufactured with this feature -
the Sony EV-S700. (Anybody have one for sale?). Mine is getting tired. This
baby gets me 24 hours on a 120-minute 8mm tape (48 hours mono if you want to
go to all that trouble). It's been great, but it's not as good as DAT for
several reasons.

I agree entirely with Henry Brugsch's arguments favoring DAT at the present
time. One additional big advantage of DAT and VHS Hi-Fi is the poor speed
accuracy of analog (cassette machines and older reel-to-reel machines). I
think we've all got off-speed copies. Speed errors and fluctuation is the
most irritating type of audio distortion to my ears.

The downside of VHS-Hi-Fi is that it uses an incredibly small portion of the
tape. Most of the recorded tape is occupied by the video signal. HiFi was an
afterthought. It was not designed into the format. It depends on an audio
head azimuth different from the video heads and records "deeper" into the
magnetic tape layer. That's why it's so delicate and sensitive to tracking,
head wear and precise alignment of the rotating heads. When it's working
well, it is fantastic. But, it is not a robust medium. Unless you play the
tape on the machine that recorded it, there is FM modulation noise and low
frequency garbage. Even if you play it on the same machine, the FM
electronics can drift and generate audio garbage. You need a real expensive
machine to do this properly. At its worst, the video signal can creep in
making a real mess. In my experience, video crosstalk is fairly common. But,
maybe if you record a random video signal (disconnect the antenna) this won't
happen. This kind of noise cannot be simply removed. I have direct experience
with many brands and models of VHS HiFi machines and do not recommend VHS
Hi-Fi as an archival medium. I think it's a wonder that it works at all!

DAT has all sorts of error correction built into the format. What it doesn't
use directly for audio, it uses for redundancy. It's a very robust format -
much more robust than VHS HiFi. Even though the tape is smaller, DAT uses
every bit of it for high quality audio. The digital encoders/decoders - even
cheap ones - are much more stable than FM/FM VHS circuitry. Like Henry says,
the direct digital output is a real plus when it comes time to abandon DAT,
and I think that's what we're in for within two years at the most.

Also, I don't think we need to worry too much about tape durability. Modern
plastic chemistry and coating technologies will prevent almost all of the
problems we've been experiencing with decades-old tape formulations. The
lessons have already been learned. Tape wear is not really a problem.
Archiving by its definition means that the medium will be played
infrequently. If certain archived material is so desirable that it's played
frequently, just clone it. No matter what, the machines need to be kept in
good shape.

It won't be long until digital compression and cheap removable mass storage
media make tape a thing of the past. Even video. Three advantages: 1) it's
disk-based - instant retrieval and cataloging built right in, 2) it's
software-based - the only hardware involved is a computer disk which will
always be able to record bits and bytes, and 3) the equipment is generic, can
be repaired everywhere and material can almost always be retrieved from a
crashed hard disk . The compression routines are getting good - RealAudio and
others are already acceptable for OTR. I am quite content with a signal as
good as broadcast FM, and that's where compression technology is going. The
purists can choose less (or zero) compression, higher sampling rates, and
higher bit resolution with a click of the mouse. It's just a matter of how
many hours you want to get on a disk. It won't be long until we'll be calling
linear magnetic media (tape) quaint. I'd give it two years or so.

Ron

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