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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 208


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Re: Tony Randall 
	 Re: Vic & Sade's Russell
	 Overlong lines and unreal margins
	 clarifying "fantasyland"
	 Further Details and Corrections Re: Vinyl Cassette Albums
	 WENN and AMC
	 Radio Drama/Remember WENN
	 Chickenman
	 Memories of OTR
	 Radio Showcase
	 Walter Tetley
	 Re: clarifying "fantasyland"
	 Re:Vincent Price
	 Viewpoints from a New Otr Person

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 07:49:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: airwavesOTR <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Re: Tony Randall 
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Some time ago, Joe Ward wrote:
> 
> There has been some good discussion as regards I Love A Mystery lately, 
> but does anyone know if Tony Randall has been asked about the show?  I 
> see him interviewed fairly regularly, and not just on the late night talk 
> shows, but good sit-down interviews on a variety of subjects, and yet 
> I've never seen anyone ask him about playing Reggie York.  I wonder if 
> anyone has asked him to be part of a re-creation?  Are there some 
> interviews available in which he *does* talk of the show?
> 
	Many years ago, my partner Jack Shugg had a half-hour interview
which we broadcast on The Golden Age of Radio.  Randall was mostly 
interested in plugging whatever theatre work he was involved in at the time,
but ILAM was discussed briefly.  Jack asked him if he thought radio was a 
good way for an actor to learn the business.  His response: "It's not 
acting, it's reading".  He said radio work had no value to an actor. 
	For NY area listeners, this interview was also the source of our
cigarette ad disclaimer. 
		-Max

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:45:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: airwavesOTR <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Re: Vic & Sade's Russell
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

In an otherwise lovely remembrance of Vic & Sade, On Fri, 7 Jun 1996 (Sade's 
son?) Rush wrote: 
> 
> The show was best with only the three voices. 
	This is generally true, especially compared to the 1945 revival 
and summer series where several new characters appeared on mike.  The 
main problem here was introducing "cartoon" characters into the "real" world
of Vic & Sade.  The exception to this is during a brief period in 1943 
when Chuck and Dottie Brainfeeble moved next door and appeared in many 
episodes (as well as one of Rush's friends, Leland Richards).  One of my 
favorite episodes is from this run. It's called Dottie's Dresses, in which 
Vic is expected to cheer Dottie up by admiring her new dress, but he's 
much more interested in Chuck's cowboy outfit.  Sheer poetry, the wordplay
of the dialog with Dottie's frequent interjection "I'm fat!"

> During World War II, Billy Idelson went into the Navy and he was replaced 
> with another "son", Russell, who carried on until the end. Russell was 
> really bad - character as well as the actor who did him. 

	Here I must leap to the defense of David Whitehouse, who played 
Russell.  He was much younger than Idelson, apparently only ten or so when
he was brought on.  His character was very different from Rush, and he 
was treated differently by Vic & Sade.  Like most kids, he would babble on, 
mostly ignored by his elders, who were trying to carry on their own 
conversation.  He had a better relationship with the menfolk (Vic and 
Uncle Fletcher) than with Sade.  Listen to "Sleepers Beware" for the 
great sense of mischief and playfulness between "Guv" and Russell as they 
conspire to draw a mustache on poor Mr Sludge, asleep on the couch.
	As far as his acting ability, geez, what do you expect from a 
ten-year-old?!  He was at least competent and often charming.  Does anyone
know what happened to him?  He has no other acting credits that I can find,
and seems to have just vanished.

> I never have heard where Russell came from since I was
> in the Army at that time and never got to hear the show then and none of the
> shows available (and I believe I have them all in widely varying quality of
> sound) explain the situation. 
	
	I'd be curious to know about this too.  I think he was dumped on them,
like Rush was, but I'm not sure.  Anyone Know?

	-Max

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:44:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: barrym <barrym@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
cc: otr@[removed]
Subject: Overlong lines and unreal margins
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

About long lines and margins, Jack Mann asked why some people
are doing this and he also did it.  Netscape is the problem.
It doesn't force or encourage you to adhere to correct margins.

Many people on the internet, myself included, have 80 column
text screens and don't use browsers such as Netscape.
Netiquite requests that you format text for newsgroups and in
email to fit comfortably in an 80 column screen.  Actually, I
think they suggest 65 or 70 columns to allow replies not to
overflow either.

This paragraph is an example of how I see screens "unformat
ted" by Netsc
ape and will, I hope, illustrate why they are so difficult t
o read.  Plea
se don't do this to me.  It's quite unfair to the screen wid
th deprived a
mong us.

When I get a message or see an article like the above, I scan
it for keywords that indicate it might be important to me and
if I don't find them I skip it.  If I do find them I evaluate
the keywords and still skip it 90% of the time.  It's just too
much trouble to read it.

I suspect that Netscape did this on purpose to force those of
us who have shell accounts which don't need browsers and work
much much faster than the browser type accounts and are much
less expensive and give much more complete access to the net
will become discouraged and get the more expensive, slower
accounts that use browsers.

Please use netiquette.

Barry

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:36:45 -0500
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed], Rick_Botti@[removed]
Subject: clarifying "fantasyland"
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Rick Botti said:
>I really don't understand John Henly when he said that the 
>show [Remember WENN] was still firmly rooted in fantasyland?
>Classic radio was what ever the listener wanted it to be, fantasy, 
>news, romance, comedy, and escape. I think WENN does a good job of 
>portraying that.
     
To clarify, I wasn't referring so much to the recreations of old
broadcasts, which are probably accurate enough - though I frequently ask
myself, "Don't these people ever go _home_?" - as to things such as these:
The farcical situations the characters find themselves in routinely.  Such
things as frantic running in-and-out of rooms and booths trying to keep
visiting sponsors deceived as to what's really happening.  The fact that
twice now on the show, persons with absolutely no broadcast acting
experience have been thrust in front of microphones and proven to be more
than equal to the task.  And, to dance around a sensitive subject, the fact
that a black man appeared unannounced in the studio in front of a
microphone, enacting a romantic scene with a white actress, with only a
modicum of surprise and consternation registered, before they all just
carried on.  Highly entertaining, sure, but the likelihood of it's actually
happening that way in 1939 or whatever seems rather remote to me.  
Now understand that I'm not criticizing at all, I love this show - but it
really is a sitcom, with standard sitcom conventions.  That's what I meant
by "fantasyland."

John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
ph  (512) 495-4112
fax (512) 495-4296

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:23:23 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Further Details and Corrections Re: Vinyl Cassette Albums
Message-Id: <[removed]@dlogics>

Previously I wrote:
>JanBach@[removed] (Jan Bach) writes:
>>[...] someone else mentioned Polyline Corporation in
>>connection with something or other. I have found their cassette 
>>albums to be very dependable and reasonably cheap. Their latest 
>>catalog (March 96) shows albums for one, two, three, four, six, 
>>eight, ten, twelve, and sixteen cassettes -- just about every 
>>size as well. And they also have storage for DAT tape and a 
>>variety of other media. They are at 1233 Rand Road in Des Plaines
>>IL 60016 (847-390-7744)
>
>They are also, shall we [removed] "determined" in their sales efforts 
>insofar as their mailing list is concerned. Once on it, you will 
>continue to receive (in my case) free samples of their photograph 
>album pages at the rate of about one a month, accompanied by 
>impassioned pleas for me to buy more before the price goes up.

I am embarrassed to say I was thinking of the wrong company, so let
me get everything straightened out.

First of all, last night I came across one of the sample mailings 
from the company _I_ was referring to, and discovered that it was in 
fact not Polyline at all, but a company called Century Photo Products
& Accessories, at 205 S. Puente St., [removed] Box 2393, Brea, CA  92622. 
And again for the record, I am not complaining at all about their 
samples, and my father-in-law is very pleased with their service.

Regarding Polyline Corporation, I received some email asking whether
they have any Internet presence at all, and since they're in my
neighborhood I gave them a call just now. A pleasant lady named
Jeanette told me that in fact they are not on the Internet just yet,
but may be in the near future. In the meantime, they will be happy to
mail a catalog to anyone who calls or sends a postcard to the above
address. I gave her a quick account of how their name had come up in
discussion and what the Old-Time Radio Digest was all about, so when
you contact them, tell them how you heard of them. According to Jeanette,
they're thinking of getting on the Internet, so you can encourage them.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@[removed]
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:49:29 -0400
From: Bigkids@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: WENN and AMC
Message-ID: <960611134916_215104436@[removed]>

I've caught a few moments of "Remember WENN" and thoroughly enjoyed it, but
I'm afraid that my TV viewing is pretty spotty and irregular.

Do you think AMC might run a WENN festival sometime, for those us who haven't
seen all the [removed] or would like to see them [removed] or would like
to tape them for archive? Maybe they could offer a taped compilation for
sale, possibly as part of their next film preservation fund-raiser.

Failing all else, maybe some OTR fan has already been taping all the
installments, and could sell dupes to the rest of us. This, of course, would
be strictly on a non-profit, friend-to-friend basis. Wouldn't want to get AMC
mad at us.

What do you think?

Dick Lupoff

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Date: 11 Jun 96 16:06:22 EDT
From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Radio Drama/Remember WENN
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

In response to Kent Greene's request for info on the RADIO DRAMA DIGEST:

To subscibe, send an email to:    Radiodrama-digest-request@[removed]
with the word "Subscribe" in the message area. 
So far, this digest is kind of sporadic -- it only comes out about once or twice
a month and then usually only has one or two messages.  I don't think it has
caught on -- or maybe not enough people know about it yet. 

Remember WENN
Does someone has a videotape of the WENN episode with Molly Ringwald?  Last
week, I rushed through dinner, turned the TV on to AMC and settled back ... the
opening credits for WENN come on, then POOF! --- our cable system crashed!!  (It
does that a lot in my town)  Naturally, it came back on 30 minutes later -- when
WENN was over, so I missed the entire Molly Ringwald episode, and I'd love to
see it.  I'll be happy to trade for OTR or another video.  Please contact me by
direct email --- many thanks in advance!

BTW, I also thought the last episode with Howard Rollins was very good, and I
agree with Rick Botti's comment about the show finding direction.  I enjoyed
WENN from the beginning, but the first four episodes (last year) seemed to be
missing something -- that humor works best when it is justapositioned against
pathos.  I think WENN is on the right track, and I am looking forward to future
episodes (provided my cable company cooperates!)

Alan Chapman
[removed]@compuserve

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:18:58 -0400
From: Sherbie96@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Chickenman
Message-ID: <960611161856_554100386@[removed]>

     About six weeks ago, a couple of subscribers contacted me about trading
for Chickenman episodes.
     I lost the names and addresses.
     If you're still interested in getting the Chickenman shows, I now have a
working reel-to reel and can accomodate you.
     Please drop me a note at my new address.
Sherbie96@[removed]

Jim Yellen

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Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 06:00:40 +0900 (JST)
From: ROY WAITE <rwaite@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Memories of OTR
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

A friend of mine living here in Tokyo, who was born and raised in NYC, has
offered the following:

QUOTE
Here are my memories of attending radio programs in New York when I was a kid.

A program I attended several times was "Juvenile Jury," on the Mutual
Network as I recall.  Jack Barry was the genial host and the panel of
experts was composed of school kids my own age, something between 10 and 14.
My favorite was Robin Morgan, who later appeared on "I Remember Mama" on TV.
I thought she was the most beautiful thing in the world.  We both must have
been about 11 or 12 at the time.

After the show as we passed through the lobby of the theater where the show
was held, the kids on the show came to a window to wave to us fans.  My most
memorable experience was being able to get right next to the window and
exchanging a kiss with Robin.  When I later told my grandmother about this
great happening, whe asked me why I didn't take the glass away.

Robin Morgan later went on to be a writer and a leading spokesperson for a
rather radical brand of feminism.

"Juvenile Jury" had kids come on the show to ask advice of the panelists.  A
regular feature of the show, which was advertised by Gaines Dog Food, was
the appearance of a rare breed of dog that the panelists had to identify.
There was a rather prissy regular member of the panel, a girl a little older
than the rest, who never failed to name the dog.

The other show I attended was "Melody Ranch, the Gene Autry Show."  Gene was
my boyhood hero and every year he headlined a traveling rodeo that performed
for a week or so in Madison Square Garden.  On those Sunday evenings, he did
his show from New York.  The studio was smaller and narrower than the one
for "Juvenile Jury" and the seats were just folding metal chairs.  The stage
was a raised platform and all the performers entered from the rear of the
room.  Gene Autry passed by real close and I was surprised how short he was.
The show was all on script and they had an excellent sound-effects man and a
cowboy band.  This must have been around 1950.  Somehow I was disappointed
that we didn't get any free Wrigley's Doublemint Gum, the sponsor of the
show, although the tickets themselves were free.  My mother wrote in a few
weeks earlier for them.  The last radio show I attended was the Garrison
Keillor "Prairie Home Companion" in December 1994 at Town Hall in New York.
Those tickets cost $27.  Times have changed.

Paul Henriques (paulh@[removed])
UNQUOTE
Roy Waite
Tokyo, Japan

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:22:16 -0700
From: Jack Mann <jmann@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Radio Showcase
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Dear OTR Digest: A man named Steve owns Radio Showcase in Santa Cruz,
CA. Does anybody have his Email address? Thanks. Jack Mann

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:07:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: ulrich@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Walter Tetley
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

In OTR Digest #205, davidrj@[removed] wrote:

>In talking about the Gildersleeve cast, he had many nice things to say about
>Walter Tetley (Leroy), and mentioned something I had never been sure of
>before,
>saying Tetley was "one of the little people."
>I didn't pursue that at all, but had often wondered seeing Tetley in photos
>and
>in movie appearances.
>I'm assuming here that Waterman was correct in what he said. Maybe someone out
>there knows for sure.

Yes, Walter Tetley was a little person. However, he underwent treatment and
grew considerably. An article by Charles K. Stumpf (sorry, I don't know
where it appeared) quotes Hal Peary to the effect that by 1966 Tetley was
nearly six feet tall.

--Charles

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:28:49 -0700
From: Rick_Botti@[removed] (Rick Botti)
To: otr@[removed], Rick_Botti@[removed],
         John Henley <jhenley@[removed]>
Subject: Re: clarifying "fantasyland"
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

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Thanks John,


I understand, and your right these things would most likely never happen in real
life. I feel the show's writing has lacked direction until this last episode 
(#5). The show feels more like a cross between [removed] and WKRP in Cincinnati, 
both of which I've always enjoyed. Episode #5 (Title escapes me) did attempt to 
touch on a serious subject, But it would appear that the writers are still 
unsure as to how far they should take the subject, before interjecting the 
running around and hiding scenes (Shades of Radioland Murders & I Love Lucy).

But I really like this show and look forward each week to another episode.
That's something I can't say for any other program aired on TV/Cable today.
    

Rick Botti   



Rick Botti said:
>I really don't understand John Henly when he said that the 
>show [Remember WENN] was still firmly rooted in fantasyland?
>Classic radio was what ever the listener wanted it to be, fantasy, 
>news, romance, comedy, and escape. I think WENN does a good job of 
>portraying that.
     
To clarify, I wasn't referring so much to the recreations of old 
broadcasts, which are probably accurate enough - though I frequently ask 
myself, "Don't these people ever go _home_?" - as to things such as these: 
The farcical situations the characters find themselves in routinely.  Such 
things as frantic running in-and-out of rooms and booths trying to keep 
visiting sponsors deceived as to what's really happening.  The fact that 
twice now on the show, persons with absolutely no broadcast acting 
experience have been thrust in front of microphones and proven to be more 
than equal to the task.  And, to dance around a sensitive subject, the fact 
that a black man appeared unannounced in the studio in front of a 
microphone, enacting a romantic scene with a white actress, with only a 
modicum of surprise and consternation registered, before they all just 
carried on.  Highly entertaining, sure, but the likelihood of it's actually 
happening that way in 1939 or whatever seems rather remote to me.  
Now understand that I'm not criticizing at all, I love this show - but it 
really is a sitcom, with standard sitcom conventions.  That's what I meant 
by "fantasyland."
     
John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
ph  (512) 495-4112
fax (512) 495-4296
     
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 22:06:28 -0400
From: JanBach@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:Vincent Price
Message-ID: <960611220627_133029768@[removed]>

Hello again --

In a message dated 96-06-11 07:52:42 EDT, Alicia writes:

<< I was hoping to find a few trading buddys that like Vincent Price. 
 Vincent is my favorite actor and I collect all of his stuff. >>

Alicia, are you familiar with the Vincent Price home page? Try a stop there
and see what links might lead you to specific VP OTR cassette collectors. The
address is:

[removed]

Not the easiest address to spell! Good luck with the Polish (hope I've got it
right!)

Happy hunting!

Jan Bach

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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 20:57:36 -0600
From: aerickse@[removed] (Anna Ericksen)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Viewpoints from a New Otr Person
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

FROM A NEW OTR COLLECTOR

I have been listening to my growing collection of OTR tapes and the
following is based upon my opinion:

        Mysterious Traveler: Stories are well done and you never really know
how the story will end.  That is fun, the unexpected.

        Dimension X: What I have [removed] This is quality stuff.

        Light's Out: I like the the opening, the stories are good but I have
not reached "Nirvana" in terms of the best show or several best shows.  I
have more to listen [removed] "Light's Out Everybody".

        X Minus One: [removed] Dimension [removed] stuff. Can't
wait to get more.

        CBS Radio Mystery Theater:  My favorite because I grew up with this
show. I only have a few shows but I found a new source that may have a
number of these for sale. The opening of this show with the cello, door,
music [removed] is IMO one of the best!!! "Come [removed]"

        Burns and Allen: Very funny.

        Quiet Please: Very interesting and well done. Be prepared because
this can give you an unexpected twist.  I need to hear more to really get
the feel for this one.

        Suspense: I like it and I want to hear more but my big question here
is which ones? There are too many choices.  Any suggestions?    

        Escape:  Great stuff. Again, like Suspense too much to search out.
Any suggestions?  3 ORANGES (I think that is the title) is pretty good!!

        Gunsmoke: Love it but it is a little predictable. Great acting.

        I Love a Mystery: Nice and rare.  Think I will try I Love Adventure.

        Hall of Fantasy: No thanks.

        Inner Sanctum: Very good. Like Light's Out I still need to hear that 
        GREAT show.


Thanks

Carl                 

        

                

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