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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 55


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	
	 Re: Strange proposal bordering on the philosophical re: azimuth
	 RE: David Adams Show
	 RE: Kate Smith Hour
	 Fav sound bite
	 more sound bytes
	 Guy Madison obituary
	 Re: Wrong 800 # for Little Warehouse
	 1936 Hits
	 "The Bickersons" on the www/real audio
	 Space Patrol
	 Squealing Capitol Reel Tape
	 otr snippets
	 Squealing Capitol Reel Tape
	 Mercury Theater's Name
	 Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet
	 Introduction/Welles/Rec&MCs&CDs

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 14:56:22 -0500
From: Udmacon@[removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

[removed]

Sorry for the plagarism, but I guess newbys to this are supposed to introduce
themselves in some way or another. Anyway, I have hosted a weekly three-hour
radio show over WCNY-FM ([removed]), Syracuse NY for 23 years: the "Bluegrass
Ramble", also heard Sunday nights in Watertown NY (WJNY: [removed]), and Utica NY
(WUNY: [removed]), nine pm to midnight. As a result, I am very interested in tapes
of the early Grand Ole Opry, National Barndance, Renfro Valley
Barndance/Sunday Morning Gathering (still going strong via syndication!) and
General store. And tapes of 15 minute daily country shows a la Bradley
Kincaid, Bluegrass Roy, etc. As a sidebar, I've spent quite a bit of my life
researching the late Uncle Dave Macon (1870-1952), the Tennessean who was the
first superstar of the Grand Ole Opry, and I journey to Murfreesboro, TN
every July to help emcee the annual Uncle Dave Macon Days there.

But I also love much more of OTR, having grown up in New York City and
getting family and strangers alike to get me into the radio shows being
broadcast from there in the 40s and 50s (I'm 57). I recall sitting in the
audiences of Borden's County Fair, Arthur Godfrey, and, best of all: Let's
Pretend. 

I was raised in Jackson Heights, Queens; once the home to many radio
personalities, but also the longtime residence of Helen Kane, whose persona
was ripped off in the 1930s and converted to--without her consent, and
naturally, with no compensation--to Betty Boop. I would see her on the way to
my church, and in the local supermarket when my mother went shopping, and
finally, in 1959, I actually did a taped interview of the original "Boop Boop
A Doop" girl, in her Jackson Heights apartment. It was used in a history of
the phonograph series I, as a student at Fordham University, was doing for
its radio station: WFUV-FM. I still have the tape, but it's faded and I've
redubbed what's left on a casette.

While stationed in NYC (!) with the Air Force as a public affairs officer
(1967-71), I joined the Lambs Club in its twilight years (they had a special
military officers' membership dating from WW II), where I got to know what
were then mostly retired radio actors. This included drinks at the bar, and
wonderful conversations, with Harry (Can You Top This) Hirshfield (and
"Senator" Ed Ford), Walter Kinsella (Abie's Irish Rose, and the inevitable
Irish Cop sidekick to wise old detective), Peter Donald (Ajax Cassidy), and
Arthur Tracey (the Street Singer, still alive!). I got to see Smith & Dale in
one of their last performances; at the Lambs, appropriately, and best of all,
I became friends with Roger Bower, producer, announcer and emcee for WOR and
Mutual Radio. His tales were unforgettable, as co-creator, emcee, etc of such
shows as Can You Top This, and my favorite of all: It Pays To be Ignorant (I
only have a few of these, and want more; VIC & SADE too!)).  

I am now retired, and have just purchased a computer, and I feel I've already
gotten my money's worth what with this [removed] and a Bluegrass one I'm also
on. In Syracuse and Central NY we are blessed with WRVO-FM, Oswego,
programming 4 hours a night of OTR, Sunday thru Friday. Recently I donated to
them 150 half-hour episodes of "Eyes Aloft", an Army program produced for
civilians of the West Coast who volunteered their time to stand in towers and
watch for enemy planes and reporting any "seen" planes to a local filter
center. Actors such as Henry Fonda appeared, and the show only appeared on
NBC west coast stations, on Saturday nights. I found the series on glass
discs in a military museum and was allowed to dub them onto tape. It's
extremely rare, with great music, stories and news reports covering 1942 to
1944. 

I'm a member of NARA, and, again, I look foward to many hours to this great
service and the nice people who contribute their thoughts, ideas and
information.

AS THE DUKE OF PADUCAH USED TO SAY AT THE END OF HIS STINT ON THE GRAND OLE
OPRY: "I'M HEADIN' TO THE WAGON FOLKS--THESE SHOES ARE KILLIN' ME!!!" 
 
Bill Knowlton: udmacon@[removed]

snail mail: 125 Meyers Road, Liverpool NY 13088-4449

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 10:22:00 PST
From: rs@[removed] (Robert Smits)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Strange proposal bordering on the philosophical re: azimuth
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Henry Brugsch <@[removed]:henry@[removed]> writes:

>Ok, here I go again, my favorite hobby horse, azimuth.
>I just was wondering, if it might be possible in some cases to recreate
>good azimuth by subjecting a badly azimuthed recording, [removed] one that
>had been azimuthed originally.
>Obviously, it's possible to clean up an original that has been recorded
>with the wrong azimuth setting, by setting the playback machine to the
>incorrect setting, and rerecording with a properly azimuthed setup.
>Ok, so, technically, why can't the same affect be generated from a
>recording that has been recorded from a badly azimuthed playback in the
>first place.

When an original tape has been recorded on a machine out of alignment, the
two tracks are not in the correct location, and when played back on a 
machine that is correct, the two tracks will both be picked up by the 
playback head, allowing you to hear parts of each track. Each track still 
has only the correct information on it, but the track is not in quite the 
right place.

If you play back a tape that had the tracks misaligned during recording, 
you could temporarily misadjust your playback head alignment so that the 
playback head is aligned with the misaligned tracks on the tape. So far, 
so good.

If, on the other hand, you have a tape that has been copied from a first 
generation misaligned tape, you have an entirely different problem. 
Instead of having two tracks of correct information in the wrong place on 
the tape, you now have two tracks of incorrect information in the right 
place on the tape. All of the material on the tracks on the second gen 
tape will be wrong, and no amount of realignment can correct this.

You might be able to clean up some of this with some kind of audio 
processing, where a sample of the A track gets inverted and added to the B
track (or vice versa) during playback and re-recording it, but misaligning
the head on a second generation tape won't fix it. 

-- 
rs@[removed] 

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:34:45 -0600
From: lgenco@[removed] (Louis Genco)
To: otr@[removed], VernSchroe@[removed]
Subject: RE: David Adams Show
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

In Issue #54, Vern (VernSchroe@[removed]) asked about the "David Adams Show".  

Could this be the "Davey Adams, Sone of the Sea" show?  If so, I have little
info about it, other than its star's name: Franklin Adams.  Hopefully
another reader will have more data!

Lou
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WWW page on "Old Time Radio":                   [removed]
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:34:30 -0600
From: lgenco@[removed] (Louis Genco)
To: otr@[removed], barry@[removed], mkaynan@[removed]
Subject: RE: Kate Smith Hour
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

In Issue 54 of the OTR Digest, Barry Mishkind <barry@[removed]> asked
about the announcer for the Kate Smith Hour.  

The announcer was probably Andre Baruch, but Tom Shirley announced on some
of the shows as well.  (Source: Lackmann's -Same Time, Same Station-)


Lou
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WWW page on "Old Time Radio":                   [removed]
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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 17:44:27 -0500
From: KevinN5PRE@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fav sound bite
Message-ID: <960210174425_419447624@[removed]>

I would have to vote for Harold Peary's rendition of Gildersleve saying,
"Leeeeeeeroooooy!".  Second would be Molly McGee saying, "'tain't funny
McGee!", only because my dad used to say that all the time, and I didn't know
what he meant until I got into OTR.
Kevin Trotman
N5PRE

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 18:37:07 -0500 (EST)
From: MORTN2HHC@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: more sound bytes
Message-id: <01I123SBD4S29868AH@[removed]>

A few more sound bytes.

Bob and Ray's Wolf Larson--"why You."

Frank nelson on The Jack Benny Show sayint, "Yes"

Tanto saying, "tie-ee kimosabi"

My favorite is, "the weed of crime bears bitter fruit"

as far as commercials are concerned, "a little dab'll do ya"

"good night Mrs. Kalabash"

                              Mort

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 19:36:41 -0500
From: MVHaas@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Guy Madison obituary
Message-ID: <960210193640_419507502@[removed]>

   No one seems to have mentioned it, but Guy Madison, who starred in "The
Adventures of Wild Bill Hickok" on both TV and radio, died Feb. 6 at the age
of 74 at Palm Springs, Calif. 
   Madison teamed with veteran radio player Andy Devine (as Jingles) for the
TV show which ran from 1951 to 1958.  Madison and Devine also did a radio
version of the show which debuted on Mutual on Dec. 31, 1951, and ran through
the 1955-56 season. The radio show was a three times a week half hour
sponsored by Kellogg during 1951-54 and in the final season appeared on
Sundays sustained by the network. (info from Dunning's "Tune In Yesterday")
   Madison also appeared in 85 films and had a cameo in the 1988 TV remake of
"Red River."  
   Divorced from actresses Gail Russell and Sheilah Connolly, Madison is
survived by three daughters, one son, one sister, and two brothers. 

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 15:28:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Mike Gingell <gingell@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Wrong 800 # for Little Warehouse
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

"Marty Dzik" <Marty_Dzik@[removed]> said
     
> I dialed the 800 number that Andy posted a few days ago regarding 
> "bulk tape" suppliers for "The Little Warehouse".  The company that 
> that 800 number went to was somewhere in Florida and has nothing to 
> do  with Bulk Tapes!
     
> I called directory assistance for Independence, Ohio and the number 
> received was (216)398-0022.  This is not an 800 number, but maybe it 
> will eliminate some calls to the other company in Florida!
     
I had the same problem, I called 800 information 1-800-555-1212 and
they  said the only Little Warehouse they had on record was in Cleveland
Ohio.  Their number is 1-800-445-8273   I called them and just received
a catalog.

Mike Gingell, gingell@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 19:17:33 -0600 (CST)
From: "Craig A. Ryan" <cryan@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: 1936 Hits
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hey all:
	Athough 1936 was 33 years before I was born here are some hits I know:
Christopher Columbus: B. Goodman
Music Goes Roundand Round: T. Dorsey
These Foolish Things: B. Goodman
When Did You Leave Heaven: G. Lombardo

Craig

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 21:30:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Randy Minnehan <rminneha@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: "The Bickersons" on the www/real audio
Message-ID: <[removed]@acme>

Hello [removed]

   For those who can't seem to get enough otr (who can?), I came across
another site on the world wide web that is carrying otr, namely, THE
BICKERSONS.  The site in run by Radio Yesteryear (I know, I [removed]
hisssssss!), but it allows the listener using Real Audio to enjoy over an
hour of THE BICKERSONS.

   To get there, go to Real Audio's Home Page, then hit "Specials" in the
sound offerings, then the "index" at "Radio Yesteryear" ([removed] [removed]
hiss!) to get to the menu for THE BICKERSONS.  On the page before "Index",
you can also hear some [removed] Fields and Laural & Hardy, and maybe a few
other short pieces.  But, over an hour of THE BICKERSONS for free, it's great!

   Besides our beloved Lou's WWW site ( [removed] ), does
anyone else know of other otr sites (audio or simply visual) on the
world-wide web?

   Best regards,

--------------------------------------------------
|Randy Minnehan - rminneha@[removed]|
--------------------------------------------------
 [removed]  STILL looking for info regarding Fran Striker Jr.'s biog of his
father. Does *anyone* know *anything* about this book?  HELP!  thx.

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 22:37:40 +0001 (EST)
From: "'A. Joseph Ross'" <lawyer@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Space Patrol
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

> Date: 08 Feb 1996 09:12 GMT
> From: Henry Brugsch <@[removed]:henry@[removed]>
> To: otr@[removed]
> Cc: 
> Subject: Space Patrol Wool gathering
> Message-ID: <02081996091250um@[removed]>
> 
> Yet, down the years, for me, this series has the power still to call,
> and compel. The writers at the time must have been working over time,
> burning the midnight oil. For, it was light years ahead of a lot of
> similar programing that came out at that time.

Indeed it does, but having grown up with the TV version and discovered 
the radio version only in the last season, I find that the TV version 
does more for me.  And I've found a number of episodes on Rhino Video 
and, about ten years ago, on the USA Cable Network (It was what inspired 
me to buy a VCR.)

> So, where are they all now, Ed Kemmer (or was it Kammeron)? Lin Ozborn
> (spell), and Baylor Covach? (spell)

Ed Kemmer, for many years, played the part of a lawyer on "As the World 
Turns."  Don Hastings, who played Captain Video's sidekick, was in the 
same law firm.  Kemmer retired a number of years ago.  I always thought 
being a lawyer was a bit of a comedown from being Commander in Chief of 
the Space Patrol <g>. 

Lyn Osborne died around 1958 or so, I think of a brain tumor.  I don't 
know anything about Bela Kovacs, but the credits on the TV episodes show 
that, besides being Prince Baccarratti, he was the associate producer.  
Dik Darley, the show's director, went on to direct the first season of 
Mickey Mouse Club.

======================================================================
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                                      617/367-0468
15 Court Square                                   lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2573                    [removed]~lawyer/
======================================================================

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 96 17:42:18 EST
From: platecap@[removed] (Bob B)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Squealing Capitol Reel Tape
Message-Id: <m0tlUFd-000YRFC@[removed]>

I have some reels of Capitol Q-19 reel tape purchased by me in the
1970's that *DOES* have a horrible squeal / severe oxide shed problem.
This tape was purchased factory fresh, shrink-wrapped.

Ampex 406/407, Shamrock, etc. isn't the only tape with squeal problems.

Tape that does NOT seem to be affected is any type of [removed]
although the really old stuff (150) sheds [removed] at least it's
playable (if you can stand the tape hiss!).

Bob Burnham; BRC Productions; [removed] Box 2645; Livonia, MI 48151
voice (313) 277-3798;  fax (313) 277-3095; internet platecap@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 23:19:55 -0800
From: AndyBlatt@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: otr snippets
Message-ID: <960210231954_24680266@[removed]>

My list is not as [removed] like them all, but will choose only several
of my favorites.

The Lights Out opening (sponsored by [removed] - Ironized Yeast)...With the gong
and [removed] Out -- Everybody.

How about the Bromo Seltzer sponsored Inner Sanctum opening.

How about a typical It Pays to Be Ignorant ("Why is being married like taking
a bath?  Because after a while, it's not so hot!")

The Fat Man with the title character on the scale as he receives his weight;
a sound bite of the Jack Benny episode where he does a take-off of The
Whistler.  His version, The Fiddler; and the excerpt of the program which is
still (in)famous years later, when he is accosted by a would-be mugger who
asks him repeatedly, "your money or your life" and he answers after pausing a
while, "I'm thinking it over".

Just a bunch that come to mind.

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 96 17:42:18 EST
From: platecap@[removed] (Bob B)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Squealing Capitol Reel Tape
Message-Id: <m0tlW7e-000YOpC@[removed]>

I have some reels of Capitol Q-19 reel tape purchased by me in the
1970's that *DOES* have a horrible squeal / severe oxide shed problem.
This tape was purchased factory fresh, shrink-wrapped.

Ampex 406/407, Shamrock, etc. isn't the only tape with squeal problems.

Tape that does NOT seem to be affected is any type of [removed]
although the really old stuff (150) sheds [removed] at least it's
playable (if you can stand the tape hiss!).

Bob Burnham; BRC Productions; [removed] Box 2645; Livonia, MI 48151
voice (313) 277-3798;  fax (313) 277-3095; internet platecap@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 23:50:54 -0800 (PST)
From: Joseph Ward <jward@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Mercury Theater's Name
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

The origin of the name "Mercury Theater" is mentioned in several bio's of 
Welles.  Picking one at random (Frank Brady's, Citizen Welles) reveals: 
"A magazine called the "American Mercury," found lying on a table in 
Welles's Sneden's Landing retreat, was the inspiration for the name they 
gave  their new company."  

This information, contrary to an earlier posting, is to be found in John 
Houseman's autobiography, "Run-Through," as well as Higham's "Orson 
[removed]"  Not very romantic, really, but verified by many different 
sources.

Joe Ward

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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:07:15 -0500
From: ChezKoa@[removed]
To: ort@[removed]
Subject: Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet
Message-ID: <960211010714_419680430@[removed]>

In answer to the question concerning Ozzie & Harriet, yes they did start out
on radio.  The adventures of Ozzie & Harriet ran from 1944 to 1954.  They
made a movie "Here come the Nelsons" in 1952 which was their transition to
Television.  They were on TV from1952 to 1966.  Before the Adventures of
Ozzie & Harriet, Harriet (Hillard) was the lead singer with Ozzie Nelson's
band and there are some transcripts of radio shows with them performing  in
circulation.  Their radio shows have held up well and are still entertaining.

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Date: Thu, 11 Jan 1996 01:35:49 -0800
From: Hagen <hagen@[removed]>
To: ort@[removed]
Subject: Introduction/Welles/Rec&MCs&CDs
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Dear fellows of otr,
my name is Wolfgang Hagen mailing from Germany out of the city of Bremen. 
 I'm working in a radio station (Radio Bremen IV) and I'm also still a 
fan and very into history and theory of radio as well, although my 
concern is of course based particulary on the german and european 
history. So what I can offer to your discussions are some informations 
about early german radio-play ("Hoespiele") and the very interesting 
story, how the german Nazis (lead by Goebbels) took the so called 
"Machtergreifung" with an enormous help by the new media in 1933 
(some recordings are still available).
My great interest by now is the history of american radio, what you call 
"otr". I read Fessenden, de Forest, Aitken, Douglas, Barnouw and all the 
other standards to get the knowledge how the technical and the 
institutional things happened. Kind of a first step. Then I read 
Wertheim, Edmondson, Soares and a few other books about soaps and the 
history of serial radio dramas/plays, but what I'm missing is kind of a 
systematic history of the whole thing - like in a way Barnouw's books 
offer it for the radio-history as a whole.
Second and much more important: It is very difficult to get recordings of 
the early stuff right here in Germany or even in Europe. I got - from a 
friend in Bayreuth - a good bunch of March of the Time - tapes from 
1937ff, some later CBS-Workshops etc. I ordered through a bookstore some 
avaiable Amos 'n' Andy "Best of"-Casettes and some from Jack Benny as 
well. 
- Where to [removed]:
So my first question is: Where to get catalogues, label-names and 
adresses to buy types, CDs or even Vinyl-Rec. containing the very old 
stuff (Shadow, Lone Ranger, Covered Waggon, Cavalcade [removed], etc.)???
- Welles:
The marvelous Welles debate: Probably in Andre Bazins: Orson Welles, 
Paris 1958, I read, that Orson Welles started doing radio getting a job 
in March of the Time (must be 1936/37) imitating five little babies? Is 
that true, and which issue of MoT does that concern? Does anybody know?
- Recording machines: 
Ted MCay wrote in 96/47:
>Tape did not come into widespread use here ([removed]) until the very late
>40's.  In the 1930's, German engineers developed a crude tape recorder
>using paper tape.  Later, BASF substituted cellulose acetate film for
>the breakable paper and developed a safe process for making tiny
>particles of iron oxide non-flammable.  This led to the introduction of
>the Magnetophon tape recorder in 1936, but its sound quality was barely
>adequate for speech and certainly not for music. In 1939, German radio
>network engineer Walter Weber discovered that adding AC bias to the
>recording process was the key to high-fidelity magnetic recording. The
>Nazi's were probably the first to "time shift" by broadcasting recorded
>speeches by Hitler and Goebels and passing them off as "live" probably
>fearing that the station's might be [removed]: Goebbels started to broadcast "recorded" Hitler-speeches in March 
1933. Things had been recorded on so called "Neumann"-Wax-Disc-machines, 
which had been introduced in german radio in 1931. But is very correct to 
say, that installing Telefunken-Tape-machines in 1941 has had to do with 
the fear of being bombed by the english army, whereas is it obviously 
true as well that in installing those tape-machine quit a lot of male 
technician could be released to go the front and for the first time in 
german radio-history a new type of profession was born: the female 
sound-technician, which are the most since then in our public stations.
My simple question is: How comes, that the big american electronic 
industry (which for some reasons was much bigger than Telefunken, Lorentz 
or AEG in Germany) in those days did not develop the tape-machine? In 
Germany the Telefunken-machine was derived from earlier Poulsen/Stilles- 
Steel-Wire-Machines on one side and the "Selenophon" and 
"Triergon"-celluloid-techniques on the other. Austrian and german 
Radio-Play-Makers did some stuff on these sound-movie-celluloids (without 
pictures). So didn't americans have had no sound-movie-technologies?! - 
of course: but why no ferro-magnetic tape-machines??
that's for now and thanx for your attention and one or another answer if 
you have some.
Yours
W. Hagen

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