Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #213
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 6/11/2002 8:25 AM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 213
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      The Lone Ranger                       [ Alan Chapman <[removed]@verizon. ]
      24-Hour a Day Stations                [ "Lois Culver" <loiseula@[removed] ]
      Re: V&S Music                         [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Ted, Shawn and MP3s                   [ Thomasmartin245@[removed] ]
      Mr. First Nighter                     [ Israel Colon <colon@[removed] ]
      Cincinnati Convention                 [ "Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed] ]
      Waukegan again                        [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      Nomination for MY NAME'S FRIDAY       [ "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; ]
      Bandwidth                             [ "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed]; ]
      Jack Benny cartoon                    [ "Gary Yoggy" <yoggy@[removed]; ]
      WGN and the "Silent Night"            [ "Arte" <arte@[removed]; ]
      The Halls Of Ivy - New Episodes       [ N&B Brickman <nbb@[removed]; ]
      Dealers and Mp3                       [ "[removed] George" <yourstruly@[removed]; ]
      Re: Watts, Voices, and Wilson         [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      I Love to Singa                       [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Re: MP3                               [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
      Ted and The MP3 Thread                [ "Paul M. Thompson" <beachcomber@com ]
      "Jungle Jim" on radio too?            [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:39:44 -0400
    From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed];
    To: Old-Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Lone Ranger

    I am looking for a specific episode of The Lone Ranger -- It's show #810
    from April, 1938, titled "The Red" or "The Redhead" - Part 2.

    This morning I listened Part 1, and I got hooked into the story, but
    when I went to my OTR cupboard, it was bare ... no part 2 (boo hoo!)
    I would like to buy or trade for it, if someone has it -- any format is
    fine. Email me off-list --

    Thanks --

    Alan Chapman
    alan@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:47:40 -0400
    From: "Lois Culver" <loiseula@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  24-Hour a Day Stations

    For Ken Piletic, who asked if there were stations who were on the air 24
    hours a day:

    KFI Los Angeles was on 24 hours a day for many years.
    When World War II was declared, the announcer at midnight said, "....on the
    [removed] hours a [removed] Victory!"  Several years after Victory, they
    were using the same recorded message, but chopped it off before the "til
    Victory",leaving the last word up in the air.

    They closed their broadcast day at midnight with the Star Spangled Banner,
    then immediately played a rooster crowing to begin the next day.

    Lois Culver
    KWLK Radio (Mutual) Longview, WA 1941-44
    KFI Radio (NBC) Los Angeles CA 1945-47, 50-53
    Widow of Howard Culver, actor

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:31:46 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: V&S Music

    On 6/10/02 5:06 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     Some have organ music and some don't any
>     music at all  although it sounds like the ones that
>     don't have music should. Can anyone enlighten me about
>     the episodes that are in circulation regarding this
>     oddity?

    The recordings without music are extension-spotting discs made for
    non-network broadcast in Canada. Vic and Sade was recorded off the
    network line by Compton Advertising Inc. from 1937 thru 1944, and the
    discs were used on non-affiliated stations. However, contractural
    restrictions did not allow the music to be used in Canada -- hence during
    the making of these recordings, the music was potted down leaving a blank
    slug where the theme would be inserted live or from a Canadian-made theme
    music disc when the discs were being played back. It's not just V&S that
    displays this peculiarity -- every other Procter and Gamble serial
    recorded for Canadian rebroadcast during this era survives the same way.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:14:49 -0400
    From: Thomasmartin245@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ted, Shawn and MP3s

    I have to agree with Ted about having some pride in what you do when it comes
    to MP3 encoding. I started collecting from Ebay about 2 years ago and have
    since started replacing those download CDs with excellent sounding stuff from
    Shawn Wells. You are right Ted there isn't enough time left to transfer my
    10,000 plus cassettes to MP3 but Shawn is a lot younger than myself. If you
    folks want a real treat go to Shawns web site and check out his remastered
    series. Yes, I'm a friend of Shawns and have traded with him for some time.
    The pride he shows in his work and love for the hobby makes this dealer very
    special. By the way if Shawn asked for $600 for his set of Lum and Abner
    shows and asked you not to pass copies of them on it would be worth doing for
    this was
    a true labor of love on his part and no small investment in money and time.
    Happy collecting and thanks for letting me have my say.
    Tom Martin
    Vintage Audio

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:22:36 -0400
    From: Israel Colon <colon@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Mr. First Nighter

    Hi,

    I would like to put in a plug for one of my favorite programs - Mr. First
    Nighter.  Perhaps the fact that I like the live theater influences my
    admiration of this program.  I particularly like the beginning with the
    excitement of going to the theater (taxi, greetings, etc.).  The programs
    appear to be quality programs but the only problem is that there appear to
    be so few of them around.  There appears to be only about a dozen
    episodes.  Am I wrong in the scarcity of episodes?  Is there a reason why
    so few episodes survive?

    A slightly off the topic question that I ask since we have such a wealth
    of knowledge among us.  I remember in the late 1940s when a vacuum can of
    coffee was opened (we used Medalia D'Oro which is an espresso) there was a
    long swssssssssssssh sound as the air entered the can and the room was
    filled with the aroma of coffee.  Nowadays, the same act produces only a
    small psst with very little aroma.  Is there less vacuum today?  Do they
    add some gas or something that does not require the same degree of
    vacuum?  I am wondering if others had the same experience or is it that in
    my child's mind/nose I exaggerated the experience.  This has perplexed me
    for some time and I would appreciate any responses.  Sorry for the off
    topic question but I have asked many people and no one seems to know.

    Israel

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:25:03 -0400
    From: "Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cincinnati Convention
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       April 11, 12, 2003.  The new hotel is a Best Western.
    It's very close to where we have been having the
    convention .The cost is based on the number of room rental
    nights. A number of people stayed at some of the motels
    around th Radisson last year because on the room rate.
    Our room rate at the Best Western is $62, which is pretty
    close to the smaller motel rates. In order for us to stay at
    the new hotel I would ask for as many of you as possible
    to stay at the Best Westen.  I am taking alittle risk moving,
    but if we get enough rental nights the cost could be as
    much or even less than at the Radission. Would appreciate
    everyone's working with me on this.
       There will be some more dealers tables available.  If you
    want a table it will have to be first come first serve. I don't
    know at this time how many will be available.
       There will be no standing room only for the re-creations.
    The new room is 15 feet deeper and 5 feet wider than
    the old one.  Start making your plans now to attend.

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:44:30 -0400
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Waukegan again

    Don't know how long it will be there (probably just today), but my
    daughter's picture is on the front page of the Waukegan newspaper today:

    [removed]

    ---Dan

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:05:48 -0400
    From: "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Nomination for MY NAME'S FRIDAY

    Please forgive me one minute of horn-tooting.  I just learned about this:

    ***Michael J. Hayde's MY NAME'S FRIDAY has been nominated for the "Macavity"
    award in the category of Best Biographical/Critical Mystery Work by the
    organization Mystery Readers International.

    The "Macavity" (named for the criminal cat in [removed] Eliot's CATS) is the
    oldest fan award in the mystery/crime fiction genre, and Mystery Readers
    International, founded by Janet Rudolph, is one of the oldest mystery fan
    societies.

    The award will be presented at Bouchercon, the World Mystery Convention,
    this October in Austin, Texas.***

    A personal note: it was a big honor to have been nominated for an EDGAR
    award by the Mystery Writers of America, even though I didn't win.  But
    somehow, I find this nomination even more special because it's from FANS.
    They (and you) are the ones for whom I wrote it.

    Michael

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:05:55 -0400
    From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Bandwidth

    Ken Piletic (KENPILETIC@[removed]) wrote:

    "The bandwidth is 10 KHz as set by FCC law.  Bandwidth is a function of the
    modulating signal, not the transmitter power. An AM signal modulating a
    transmitter 100 percent is limited to 5 HKz each side of the carrier, or 10
    KHz total bandwidth. This represents both the "upper" and "lower" sidebands.
    The reason for this limitation is to prevent "splatter" to adjacent
    stations."

    That's been discussed in several places, and the consensus is that the 5 kHz
    limit (10 kHz total) is a myth.  Even as early as the early 1930s some
    stations had audio content as high as 10 kHz (for a total of 20 kHz), which
    is why a number of prewar radios had wide bandpass settings that were useful
    with strong local stations.  Later, as audio technology improved, many AM
    stations passed frequencies as high as 15 kHz; the FCC finally became
    concerned about excessive splatter in the 1980s, and eventually accepted the
    National Radio Standards Committee's recommendation for a 10 kHz (20 kHz
    total) limit which is in effect today.  With a [removed] kHz cutoff in the
    receiver, as is required by the NAB's AMax specification for home or car
    radios, the results are surprisingly good (though still not up to FM
    standards).

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:34:59 -0400
    From: "Gary Yoggy" <yoggy@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Jack Benny cartoon
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    I'm looking for a copy (any format ) of the cartoon THE MOUSE THAT JACK BUILT
    featuring the voices of Jack Benny and some of his cast.  Will buy or trade
    for it.  Can anyone help me out?  Thanks,  Gary Yoggy

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:53:56 -0400
    From: "Arte" <arte@[removed];
    To: "OldRadio Mailing List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  WGN and the "Silent Night"

    Ken Piletic asks:

>     I'd me interested if anyone can confirm or refute this information
>     about WGN.  I imagine some insiders might have access to the
>     old transmitter logs.

    I don't have access to logs, but I do remember groing up in
    Chicago in the 50's & 60's.
    I listened to Franklyn MacCormick on WGN and Jay Andres on
    WBBM. They had similar shows from midnight to 5:30 or 6:00
    am. One station observed its "silent night" on Sunday ( I
    think it was WBBM) the other went off on Monday Night
    (Tuesday Morning.) I usually tuned from one to the other or
    else went "skip chasing" to listen to KAAY, WBZ, WONE, WHO,
    WCCO, WWL, or KONE, WFAA/WBAP, WWWV, or even a pipsqueak
    WYLO (Jackson Wisc 250watts).  Sometimes I could catch an
    east coast day-timer signing on just before WBBM hit the
    air.

    What was really a rare fun catch was hearing the engineering
    staff playing around while making transmitter adjustments.
    (I did some of that on KGHX too)

    Arte
    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:56:19 -0400
    From: N&B Brickman <nbb@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Halls Of Ivy - New Episodes

    	For those of you who are fans of this comedy series set in the venue of
    an Ivy League college, some new episodes previously considered lost are
    now available.  Two mp3 CDs are available whose contents include the
    "new" episodes listed below in addition to improved, digitally-filtered
    sound quality for many of the "older" episodes.

    	Thanks are due to Milton Ferguson, of Fullerton, California, who
    contributed recordings from his original wire recordings of the
    broadcasts.  For availability information contact me or Ryan Ellett
    ([removed]) who is also in the process of
    uploading the CDs to [removed]

    		Norman Brickman
    - - - - - - -
    The two Halls Of Ivy mp3 CDs contain 89 radio episodes, 1 radio
    interview, and 10 TV soundtracks.

    Newly available radio episodes:
    #34, Scandal / Professor Rousseau, 10/18/50, #40, The Honor Student,
    11/29/50,
    #55, His Father's Image / Football Player's Son, 3/14/51
    #61, Note The Quote, 4/25/51,   #62, Glory Golightly, 5/9/51,
    #64, Cook's Night Out, 5/23/51,   #73, Mrs. Why / Grandmother Enrolls,
    10/24/51,
    #74, Football Coach, 10/31/51,   #76, The Halls Have Car Trouble,
    11/14/51

    New TV soundtracks:
    #2, The Heart Of Passion, 10/26/54,   #8, The Eleventh Commandment,
    12/7/54,
    #9, Boxing Versus Medicine / The Fighting Med Student, 12/14/54,
    #18, Note The Quote, 2/15/55,   #26, Scandal / Professor Rousseau,
    4/12/55,
    #27, Football Fix, 4/19/55,   #28, F Canis Minor, 4/26/55,
    #32, Honor Student, 5/24/55,   #35, Maxwell's Comet, 6/24/55

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:30:41 -0400
    From: "[removed] George" <yourstruly@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Dealers and Mp3

    I'd like to throw my 2 cents in on the topic of Mp3s and dealers. Once a
    month I used to order tapes from one of three different dealers. One was
    affordable, the other two had a large selection. One went out of business
    and the other two were bought out. I tried several other dealers but
    couldn't find one with the three things I wanted in a dealer: affordability,
    quality and selection.

    I started downloading Mp3 because I was able to find the selection. Quality
    wasn't an issue because you get what you pay for and free is free. For the
    last 6 months I've reversed my thinking and started buying a dealer again.
    But unfortunetly I'm still having trouble finding one dealer with affordable
    tapes and a large selection. As a consumer I would love to see dealers offer
    high quality encodes in Mp3. I've listened to OTR shows encoded at many
    different bit rates. And while some may argue this, I think those shows
    encoded at a higher bit rate can match the tone quality you get on [removed]
    may only get 22 half-hour shows on one CD, but 1 CD would cost less than 11
    sixty minute cassettes. Thus making them more affordable.

    Eventually I hope to replace my downloaded shows with better quality shows.
    I just wish they could be replaced with affordable high quality Mp3s from a
    dealer.

    Yours Truly,
    [removed] George

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:32:06 -0400
    From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:  Watts, Voices, and Wilson

    From: KENPILETIC@[removed]

>     As to the bandwidth:  The bandwidth is 10 KHz as set by FCC law.
>     Bandwidth is a function of the modulating signal, not the transmitter
>     power. An AM signal modulating a transmitter 100 percent is limited
>     to 5 HKz each side of the carrier, or 10 KHz total bandwidth.  This
>     represents both the "upper" and "lower" sidebands.  The reason for
>     this limitation is to prevent "splatter" to adjacent stations.

    That's not quite true.  Until the introduction of the National Radio
    Systems Committee (NRSC) standards in the 1990s there had never been any
    restrictions on the transmission bandwidth of AM broadcast transmitters
    in the [removed]  Many AM transmitters had rated and usable frequency
    responses as high as 14 KHz.  Prior to NRSC (which covers the entire OTR
    era) transmitters were allowed full frequency response, which would send
    modulations out over the adjacent channels and part of the second
    adjacent channels. In the OTR era, receivers like the [removed] could
    provide Hi-Fi response from quality AM stations.  NRSC now restricts
    transmitter modulation to 10 KHz as an enticement for receiver
    manufacturers to increase the bandwidth (and frequency response) of
    their AM receivers back to the way it used to be when interference was
    less because there were fewer stations.

    Under NRSC, EACH of the upper and lower sidebands of a station can
    spread out 10 KHz from the center of the assigned frequency.  Thus a
    station at, say, 700 KHz is actually theoretically using bandwidth from
    690 to 710, so the higher audio frequencies of the 700 station are
    actually mingling with that of their first adjacent neighbors, 690 and
    710.  But stations on those first adjacents are supposedly spaced far
    enough away from each other so that this wouldn't create problems in
    their respective "protected" geographic areas.  But second-adjacents
    (680 and 720) are potentially spaced close enough to each other that
    overlapping sounds and high-frequency splatter might cause problems.
    This was why receiver manufacturers tended to reduce their sets'
    bandwidths when the AM band became more crowded in the 1970s, and was
    also why the NRSC standards were introduced.

    Modern AM radios tended to sound worse than earlier sets, and
    broadcasters had hoped that the FCC would institute requirements for
    wide-band receivers at the same time as the NRSC transmission standards
    were instituted.  But the FCC dropped the ball on this--just like they
    screwed up on the AM stereo standards.  Radios with wide-band response
    were to be given an identifying mark called "AMax" but to date there
    have only been a handful of radios to carry this mark.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:38:37 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  I Love to Singa

>     I am looking for a vintage warner bros. vitaphone cartoon called JACK RABBIT
>     AND OWL JOLSON IN I LOVE TO [removed] anyone has any information as
>     where I can find this video, please contact me at   xensargo@[removed]

    That cartoon is not a vitaphone, but rather a Merrie melodies cartoon
    called "I Love to Singa" from July 18, 1936 created by Fred Avery.  It has
    an owl-boy in it who wants to sing jazz while his father wants him to sing
    proper songs. While he sings "Drink to me only with thine eyes" in front of
    his father, he sings jazz, and runs away from home & goes to a radio
    station & enters a contest & sings "I love to singa" for the prize. The
    worried parents come back & sing with him.

    I cannot recall the title but there is a cartoon collection available which
    includes the piece.

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:08:16 -0400
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: MP3

    Ted Davenport made an excellent point about quality. This is about the same
    thing I've been doing since 1952. That was the year I started collecting
    OTR. At the beginning I recorded the shows directly off the air and in
    1970, I discovered other collectors and traded with them.

    Quality was always an issue with me. Back in the early days of trading, I'd
    take each tape that I received in trade and re-transfer it to another reel
    to reel tape. Always on two track not quarter track. While transferring it
    I'd adjust the speed if it needed it and run it through an equalizer if needed.

    In many, many cases, the copy master I made sounded better than the
    original I received.

    I never traded on cassette. Only on reel to reel. Then when the digital
    word come into being I looked into several options. DAT, Mini Disc and
    Audio CDs. When the prices came down on CDs, I decided that this would be
    the best way to preserve and also save the quality of my collection.

    If I duplicated an audio CD, nothing was lost in the transfer. Note, I'm
    saying audio CD, not MP3. I tested MP3 with a number of different program
    material and you CAN hear the difference. So, very slowly I've been
    transferring my reel to reel tapes to audio CDs.

    I'm also fortunate to have a number of transcription disc that are being
    turned into audio CDs. It is a slow process and many of you probably know,
    but in the end, you have a program that hopefully will stand the test of time.

    I've also been taking the raw WAV file from the transcription discs and
    putting that on CDs for archival. In case someone or some equipment becomes
    available to clean up the signal better than I can right now, I'll always
    have the original file to work on.

    I've heard the quality of Ted's shows and the ones I've heard have been
    excellent. Many of our clients have also let me know that we put out a high
    quality product. And in the end, that is really what matters. That the
    quality of the shows be preserved for generations to come.

    MP3 is convenient, but it should not be at the expense of quality. If it is
    convenient to transfer shows to MP3 for listening on long trips, that is
    fine. Just don't turn those MP3 files back into audio CD and pass them off
    as audio CDs. Keep them as MP3 and help keep from muddying up the waters,
    as they say.

    Fred Berney
    [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:08:29 -0400
    From: "Paul M. Thompson" <beachcomber@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Ted and The MP3 Thread

    Bravo to Ted Davenport for his comments on the MP3 issue and
    his concerns of OTR quality. As a long time collector from the sixties
    I couldn't agree more. I will also remain committed to tape for the
    same reasons.

    Well said Ted!!

    Paul Thompson

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    Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:08:56 -0400
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Jungle Jim" on radio too?

    neil crowley <og@[removed]; writes:

>     On some Jungle Jim episodes he can be heard in
>     multiple accents, and be effective in each, but that distinctive voice
>     always gives him away.

    I remember going to see "Jungle Jim" 'B' movies as a kid in Baltimore on
    Saturday afternoons. The admission price was 14 cents.
    Was there a radio show too? I had no [removed] I (later) thought it was a
    movie series created just to extend the career of Johnny [removed] after his
    'Tarzan' run ended!

    Herb Harrison

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