Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #60
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Date: 2/16/2004 1:07 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 60
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Recalcitrant Vender Follow-up and ot  [ "John Abbott" <mraastro@[removed] ]
      Jack Benny's song?                    [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      Cod Liver Oil (and Don Knotts)        [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
      2-16 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Re: celery tonic etc.                 [ "Candy Jens" <candyj@[removed]; ]
      Re: WBBR/White Network                [ Udmacon@[removed] ]
      the old oil                           [ benohmart@[removed] ]
      Trains, Planes, ....                  [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Re: Trains                            [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
      cod liver oil                         [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      Trains, Planes, Buses                 [ "John Eccles, Jr." <jeccles@earthli ]
      Mason Adams                           [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Train shows                           [ "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed]; ]
      Shows featuring Airplanes             [ "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed]; ]
      COD LIVER OIL YET AGAIN               [ SEE n <voxpop@[removed]; ]
      Re: Trains, planes & buses            [ Kcpymurphy@[removed] ]
      Charlie Chan                          [ "Austotr" <austotr@[removed]; ]
      Duke Ellington                        [ "David Malvin" <david_malvin@hotmai ]
      [removed]                         [ "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed] ]
      Chicago OTR store                     [ "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed] ]
      Dec. 7, 1941 Broadcasts               [ otrdude@[removed] ]
      Larry Gelbart - Writer To The Stars   [ "Phil Watson" <philwats@[removed] ]

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    Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:26:54 -0500
    From: "John Abbott" <mraastro@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Recalcitrant Vender Follow-up and other
     things

    Well, after my quest on how to get a vender to deliver, I was contacted by
    the "Mystery Vendor" who promised to re-mail the CDs I had ordered this
    Monday, 2/16/04.  I guess we can blame the problem of Cliffy the mailman, as
    the orginals were supposedly mailed back in August.  So you can guess who
    will be sitting waiting for the mailman later this week.  I will keep y'all
    posted.

    x--------------------------------------x
    Now for something completely different.

    To help while away the time, I thought I might share my intense liking for
    the "Yours Truly Johnny Dollar" program by starting the "YTJD Quiz".  This
    will be the first of a series of trivia questions about the character Johnny
    Dollar - that is if it gets by Charlie!!

    The questions will all relate to information contained in an episode of YTJD
    (Bob Bailey and earlier for the time beings).

    So for question number 1:

    What was Johnny Dollar's phone number?

    If you think you know, send me an email.  I will post the answer around the
    end of the month.

    (And the GRAND PRIZE is the undying envy of your OTR buddies and budettes!)

    Yours Truly,
    John C. Abbott

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    Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:46:52 -0500
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jack Benny's song?

    Derek mentions Jack Benny's humble Waukegan [removed] should be
    his humble Chicago birth.

    Just listened to the JB episode where Danny Kaye, Frank Sinatra, Groucho
    Marx, and George Burns do a riotously funny version of Jack's song If I
    Say I Beg Your Pardon.  Does anyone know if Jack himself actually wrote
    that song?

    ---Dan

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    Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:47:36 -0500
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cod Liver Oil (and Don Knotts)

    Douglas Gonnelly of Albany, NY asks if anyone knows why cod liver oil
    was used.

    In the Olden Days, cod liver oil (which tasted as bad as it smelled)
    was given regularly to children to lubricate their interior plumbing
    and "promote regularity." Adults took it for the same reason, and
    several other brand laxatives contained significant amounts of this
    substance. It may have been part of a self-fulling prophesy, since even
    healthy folks made it part of their routine, and since they were not
    constipated, they falsely attributed it to their consumption of cod
    liver oil.

    Bob Novak, in the early 1990s,  recalled a story from the B-Bar-B
    Riders, Bobby Benson radio show on Mutual that he directed in the
    Fifties.  A relatively young Don Knotts, who was playing the old geezer
    Windy Wales on this series, was known to the cast and crew as a
    confirmed hypochondriac and Knotts consumed as many pills, vitamins,
    and medical remedies as he could afford. After each evening episode,
    Knotts took the subway out of Manhattan with the announcer, Carl
    Warren. One evening, enroute to the train, Knotts spotted a bargain in
    a drug store window: half gallon jars of cod liver oil for a very low
    price. He dashed in and bought a jar and then caught up with Warren as
    the subway train pulled out. Ten minutes out of NYC, a fellow passenger
    in the crowded car jostled Knotts and the cod liver oil jar crashed to
    the floor, breaking and spreading its foul contents. All the passengers
    moved quickly away from Knotts and Warren and then evacuated to other
    cars at the next stop. Warren stayed with Knotts for one more stop and
    then he moved to the next car also.  Don, looking as morose as any
    human being could, rode home in an empty car, with  the cod liver oil
    fumes chasing off any new passengers that tried to board.

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
    [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:47:44 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  2-16 births/deaths

    February 16th births

    President's Day

    02-16-1895 - Louie Calhern - NYC - d. 5-12-1956
    actor: "Radio Reader's Digest"
    02-16-1901 - Chester Morris - NYC - d. 9-11-1979
    actor: Boston Blackie "Boston Blackie"; Great Merlini "Great Merlini"
    02-16-1903 - Edgar Bergen - Chicago, IL - d. 9-30-1978
    ventriloquist: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
    02-16-1903 - Norman Shelley - d. 8-22-1980
    actor: John H. Watson "Corner In Crime, Saturday Night Theatre"
    02-16-1909 - Jeffrey Lynn - Auburn, MA - d. 11-24-1995
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Hallmark Playhouse:' "MGM Theatre of the Air"
    02-16-1910 - Del Sharbutt - Ft. Worth, TX - d. 4-26-2002
    announcer: "Hobby Lobby"; "Jack Benny Program"; "Victory Theatre"
    02-16-1914 - Jimmy Wakely - Mineola, AR - d. 9-23-1982
    country singer: "All-Star Western Theatre"; "Hollywood Barn Dance"
    02-16-1918 - Patty Andrews - Minneapolis, MN
    singer (Andrews Sisters) "Glenn Miller Orchestra"; "Andrews Sisters Revue"
    02-16-1932 - Gretchen Wyler - Bartlesville, OK
    singer-actress: "Sounds of Freedom"

    February 16th deaths

    02-09-1912 - Bob Hannon - Chicago, IL - d. 2-16-1993
    singer: "American Melody Hour"; "Waltz Time"
    03-18-1911 - Smiley Burnette - Summum, IL - d. 2-16-1967
    host, comedian: "Smiley Burnette Show"; "Hollywood Hotel"
    04-12-1914 - Ken Williams - Canada - d. 2-16-1984
    actor: Brian Wells "David Harum"
    05-04-1909 - Howard Da Silva - Cleveland, OH - d. 2-16-1986
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Forecast"; "Suspense"
    07-17-1905 - William Gargan - Brooklyn, NY - d. 2-16-1979
    actor: Martin Kane "Martin Kane, Private Eye"; Barrie Craig "Barrie Craig,
    Private Investigator"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:04:48 -0500
    From: "Candy Jens" <candyj@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: celery tonic etc.

>     First, Phil mentions he was buying two bottles of "celery tonic."

    <snip>

>     The other item mentioned in the show was "cod liver oil."  I have no idea
>     what this was used for.

    Celery tonic was a non-carbonated soft drink (maybe still available?).  Cod
    liver is just what it says, and tastes that bad, too.  It contains vitamins,
    and was a general tonic mothers of the 40s and 50s subjected their kids to
    until vitamin capsules were widely available.

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    Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:05:20 -0500
    From: Udmacon@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: WBBR/White Network

    Elizabeth says, re: the Jehovah's Witnesses radio network:

>     The key station was WBBR, Brooklyn/Rossville NY, and it operated only once
>     a [removed]

    Growing up in New York City in the 1950s I recall that WBBR shared time with
    WEVD. WBBR broadcast religious programming daily from 4 to 8 [removed] Later, when
    the Witnesses sold it, it became WPOW, with Ethnic programming.

    Toady the WBBR call is back as the Bloomburg business station.

    (at the same time WBNX shared time with WAWZ in Zarapath NJ; WOV--later
    WADO--shared time with WHBI in Newark NJ)

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    Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:05:52 -0500
    From: benohmart@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  the old oil

    I bought a bottle of cod liver oil pills, as I heard a BBC Radio show mention
    recently that
    cod liver oil is good for the brain. Except when I look at the label, I
    notice that all that's
    listed are vitamins A and D. Either I got the wrong stuff (a supplement) or I
    can get all of
    the oil's properties in a multi-vitamin.

    And now - back to [removed]

    Ben

    --
    Voice of The Haunted Mansion, Boris
    Badenov, The Pillsbury Doughboy & more
    [removed] - the official biography

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    Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:06:00 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Trains, Planes, ....

    Some shows on trains, etc., following Ted Kneebone's listing,

    Grand Central Station (well, the opening)

    Airplanes --

    Captain Midnight
    Sky King
    I'll Fly Anything
    Air Adventures of Jimmie Allen
    Hop Harrigan
    Howie Wing

    Boats and Ships

    Jack Armstrong (certainly the Sulu Sea adventures)
    Bold Venture

    Cars

    The Green Hornet

    Dog Sleds

    Challenge of the Yukon

    Horse-Drawn Carriages, Cabs, etc

    Sherlock Holmes
    The Count of Monte Cristo.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:06:11 -0500
    From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Trains
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    Ted Kneebone asked about OTR Train shows.   One of my favorites is the 1934
    syndicated serial, 'The Green Valley Line'

    Irene

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    Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:06:45 -0500
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  cod liver oil

    I think it's important to realize that when radio was new, medical science
    was still pretty primitive.  Rural children suffered from some truly horrid
    diseases that nobody realized were due to vitamin deficiencies.  Everyone
    was subject to death from infections: the first antibiotics weren't
    developed until the 1930's: a simple ear infection could easily develop into
    a general infection that would kill you in a few weeks.  No treatments for
    heart disease, cancer, or kidney disease were available.  The only drugs
    that actually did much of anything were opiates, digitalis, quinine, various
    laxatives, alcohol, coca derivatives, and antiseptics.  Understanding of
    vitamins and nutrition in general was imperfect and a fair portion of the
    populace, urban and rural, still had very limited diets.

    Thus it's not unreasonable that parents dosed their children with whatever
    supplements seemed to do at least a small amount of good and hoped that
    Divine Providence would take care of the rest.

    Mark Kinsler
    512 E Mulberry St. Lancaster, Ohio USA 43130 740-687-6368
    [removed]~mkinsler1

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    Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:06:53 -0500
    From: "John Eccles, Jr." <jeccles@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Trains, Planes, Buses

    Putting my two cents in to this list I have to add:

    //Trains//
    Suspense:  "Moment of Darkness" with Peter Lorre
    The Shadow:  "The Giant of Madras" with Bill Johnstone

    //Cars//
    Suspense:  "Back Seat Driver" with Fibber McGee & Molly (a classic in my
    opinion)

    //Bus//
    Suspense:  "Return Trip" with Elliott Lewis (great performance by Mr. Lewis
    who I had the pleasure of meeting several times at FOTR)

    I am sure others will chime in, but these ones popped into my mind almost
    without thinking (which is how I do most things).

    John Eccles, Jr.

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    Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:07:01 -0500
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Mason Adams

     > or any other tidbits about Mr. Adams' career?

    In the fifties, Mason Adams could be heard on a number of the SF episodes
    on various series.

    Dimension X
        Universe - 11/26/50

    X Minus One
        Surface Tension 8/28/56
        Caretaker 1/30/57

    Exploring Tomorrow
        Happiness Effect
        Mimic
        Venus Diamond Mountain
        Cold Equations

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:18:26 -0500
    From: "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Train shows

    Green Valley Line -- an entire series about railroading!

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    Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:18:46 -0500
    From: "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Shows featuring Airplanes

    Ann of the Airlanes
    Air Adventures of Jimmy Allen
    Air Adventures of Biggles

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    Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:48:23 -0500
    From: SEE n <voxpop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  COD LIVER OIL YET AGAIN

    My mother was not a sadist so i never had to take codliver [removed] the
     only time i wear glasses is when i want to see
    chet norris

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    Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:51:45 -0500
    From: Kcpymurphy@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Trains, planes & buses
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    In the transportation mode, how about:
    Suspense = Wreck of the Old 97
    Cars = Back Seat Driver
    Boats: Lux Radio Theater = African Queen, Campbell Playhouse = Mutiny On the
    Bounty
    Cordially, kacie

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    Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:45:38 -0500
    From: "Austotr" <austotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Charlie Chan

    In Digest #59 Ed Carr asks about 2 episodes of Australian Charlie Chan. (The
    Adventures of Charlie Chan)

    Ed, both those episodes are in circulation.  The mp3 versions were amoungst
    the first Australian OTR episodes I found.  They end with the Announcer
    saying that they are a Grace Gibson Production.  Indeed they were, the
    series were broadcast in Melbourne on 3KZ on the 16th October 1950.  The
    episodes you list are episodes 11 and 12 respectively.  A calendar check
    will give you the broadcast dates.

    Generally we do not date Australian episodes based on the broadcast dates.
    Most Australian collectors are based in Melbourne and so is most of the data
    we use for our database, but often as is the case with Grace Gibson, it is
    broadcast in Sydney several days ahead of Melbourne.  I assume that other
    Melbourne based production houses would have done the reverse.  So we tend
    to list the year of release at this present time.

    The following information is in the Screensound database:

    "Summary: Serial thriller about the adventures of the Chinese Detective
    Charlie Chan. Contributors: Earl Derr Biggers (AUT), Reg Johnston (PDR).
    Cast: William Rees (Charlie Chan), Rodney Jacobs (Number One son). Label:
    Grace Gibson Episode duration: 30 mins Episodes produced: 52 Broadcast
    details: 1950s- ; Monday on 3KZ at [removed] pm. Notes: Produced from American
    scripts adapted for Australian audiences. A previous series about Charlie
    Chan was broadcast from about 1936 with Warner Oland as Charlie Chan. Main
    theme music: Charlie Chan Themes (Wilbur Sampson) ARC disc Matrix no: M
    24615"

    I hope this helps you.

    Ian Grieve
    Moderator
    Australian Old Time Radio Group

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    Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 10:46:00 -0500
    From: "David Malvin" <david_malvin@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Duke Ellington

    In 1941, Duke Ellington's band was featured on several broadcasts from Casa
    Manana, a jazz club in Culver City, California that was formerly known as
    Frank Sebastian's "Cotton Club."  If anyone knows whether or not recordings
    from these dates exist, I am very interested in discovering where I might
    hear them.

    David Malvin

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    Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:38:26 -0500
    From: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  [removed]

    I haven't seen anyone mention it yet, but there is always my least favorite
    submarie show: the terrible Family Theatre version of 20,000 Leagues Under
    the Sea.

    -chris holm

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    Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:38:52 -0500
    From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Chicago OTR store

        I've heard rumors that Metro Golden Memories, the long-established store
    selling OTR tapes and discs, etc., on the northwest side of Chicago, last
    known address on Addision St. near Central Ave., has gone out of business --
    permanently, apparently.

       Would any Digester know definitely whether or not that rumor is true?
    Any details?
    (I haven't been able to find this info on Google searches.)  Thanks.

       -- Phil C.

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    Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:04:41 -0500
    From: otrdude@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dec. 7, 1941 Broadcasts
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    Does anyone have a chronological listing of the radio shows that were
    broadcast that infamous day?

    For instance:

    2:30 PM Univ. of Chicago Roundtable
    3:00 PM Chats About Dogs

    Andrew

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    Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:08:13 -0500
    From: "Phil Watson" <philwats@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Larry Gelbart - Writer To The Stars

    On Thursday 19th, BBC Radio 4 is airing a tribute to Larry Gelbart. The
    blurb says "From writing gags for Bob  Hope to creating the tragi-comedy
    world of MASH, Larry Gelbart has kept us laughing for years. Mark Lawson
    looks back at the long career of one of Hollywood's finest writers. With
    contributions from Mel Brooks, Barry Levinson and Sid Caesar." It's
    available on the internet at [removed] at [removed] UK time
    (several hours earlier in the US).

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