Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #504
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 12/27/2002 6:55 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 504
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      My want list                          [ EdHowell@[removed] ]
      Re: OTR dramas and OTR variety shows  [ MAGICIN95@[removed] ]
      Re: A&A from Blue to Red              [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Re: Blue Transition Period            [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Amos 'n' Andy Recordings              [ "Dennis DeMarco" <holden190@hotmail ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Space Patrol Premiums and Ralston Ro  [ "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed] ]
      WLS                                   [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      OTR logs                              [ "Frank Phillips" <frankphi@hotmail. ]
      Billie the Brownine                   [ Michael Browning <aquarii2u@[removed] ]
      RS at Target                          [ ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Fun ]
      TV ALERT - "Save Our Sounds" on Hist  [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      About Struts and Frets                [ Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed] ]
      Editor's Daughter                     [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
      Boris Karloff                         [ "James Faulkner" <tsunami100@[removed] ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:47:24 -0500
    From: EdHowell@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  My want list

    I would like to find anything at all relating to Rev. E. Howard Cagle (WLW),
    Sam Morris (The Voice of Temperance), or the Juniper Junction program that
    featured Uncle Ned.
    Best wishes to all for a happy, healthful, and peaceful New Year.

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 08:49:05 -0500
    From: MAGICIN95@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: OTR dramas and  OTR variety shows

>      I guess that probably makes a total of about four of us Digesters
>     who do.  :0)

    I grew up watching the remnants of the old variety shows on TV; Hollywood
    Palace, etc.  While I love OTR comedies and dramas, I find myself curious
    about the true variety or musical shows that never seem to make their way to
    the main stream. I am interested in learning more about these shows.  Maybe
    I've been looking in the wrong places but I have yet to see anything about
    these shows.  Surely someone has information about or copies of some of those
    shows?

    Janet

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:11:23 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: A&A from Blue to Red

    On 12/26/02 3:07 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     (Anyone know when NBC officially
>     switched it to the Red Network? Perhaps when NBC bought WMAQ in '34?)

    The final A&A on Blue was 7/12/35, and the first on the Red was 7/15/35,
    and the switch was announced by prominent display ads in the radio press.
    The primary reason for the move was Pepsodent's desire to expand the
    program into markets where it hadn't been easily heard -- there were a
    number of smaller markets in the East and Midwest which were served by
    Basic Red affiliates but not by Basic Blue, and followers of A&A in these
    locations had to tune in distant stations in order to keep up with the
    program. (Personally, I wish Pepsodent had opted for the alternative of
    extension-spotting recordings -- but they never chose to do this during
    their eight years of A&A sponsorship, even though they *did* use
    recordings for supplemental broadcasts of some of their other programs.)

    NBC bought a controlling interest in WMAQ in the fall of 1931, and took
    over operation of the station in November of that year. However, A&A
    continued to originate from the WMAQ studios in the Chicago Daily News
    Building for several months after this transaction -- their first program
    from Merchandise Mart Studio F was that of 5/7/32.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 09:11:50 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Blue Transition Period

    On 12/26/02 3:07 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     When NBC sold the Blue Network, how was it determined what programs went
>     with it?  Did
>     NBC manipulate to keep the best programs for itself?  Or did the Federal
>     regulators
>     anticipate that and prevent it?

    All sponsor contracts for Blue programs active as of 1/1/42 were
    transferred to the newly formed Blue Network Company Inc, and no longer
    had any connection to NBC -- so when the sale finally went thru in 1943,
    all ongoing Blue contracts went along with the deal. Existing Blue
    sustaining programs also went along with  the deal -- "America's Town
    Meeting Of the Air," and such as that. Staff announcers at Blue
    owned-and-operated stations -- WJZ, WENR, etc. -- also went along with
    the deal.

    The process of separating Blue from Red was not a sudden one -- and the
    final sale of the network to the E. J. Noble interests was the end of the
    process, not the beginning. Although Noble didn't get control of the
    network until 1943, effective 1/1/42 there was no longer any  connection
    between NBC and Blue. The National Broadcasting Company and the Blue
    Network Company were both wholly owned subsidiaries of RCA, but they had
    now had seperate staffs, seperate offices, and seperate operations. This
    "legally divorced but still living under the same roof" arrangement
    continued until the sale to Noble went thru -- a process which took
    longer than expected because of allegations that Noble was tied up in
    shady dealings stemming from his brief connection to station WMCA.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:08:12 -0500
    From: "Dennis DeMarco" <holden190@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Amos 'n' Andy Recordings

    Hello All,

    As I think I mentioned previously, I've been listening and enjoying the Amos
    'n' Andy recreations on WBCQ.

    At the end of each episode, the host makes a point of saying that the
    original broadcasts (they are now in December, 1931) were never recorded.

    I know from reading Elizabeth's postings how immensively popular the show
    was and it strikes me as odd that a show that popular was never recorded.
    Does anyone know the reason for this?

    Dennis

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 10:06:57 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

>     >From Those Were The Days --

    1953 - Big Sister was heard for the last time on CBS. The show had been
    on the air for 17 years. Big Sister was the ongoing story of Sue Evans
    Miller and her relationship with her big sister, Ruth Evans. Actresses
    who played big sister Ruth over the years: Alice Frost, Nancy Marshall,
    Marjorie Anderson, Mercedes McCambridge. Little Sister Sue was played by
    Haila Stoddard, Dorothy McGuire, Peggy Conklin and Fran Carlon.

    1954 - One of radio's most popular programs, The Shadow, lurked around
    the airwaves for the last time. Vigilante crime-fighter Lamont Cranston
    battled greed and corruption since 1930. "Who knows what evil lurks in
    the hearts of men? The Shadow [removed]"

    Birthday --

    1914 - Richard Widmark

       Joe

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:39:12 -0500
    From: "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Space Patrol Premiums and Ralston Rocket

    Space Patrol was an anomaly that started out as a 15 minute daily tv show on
    KECA-TV.  It carried over format of the radio serials and when it went
    network on Saturday Morning with a half-hour show with big sponsors such as
    Ralston, Nestles and Weather Bird Shoes, that idea carried over to it. Even
    though the shows were self-contained episodes, they often linked into a
    string of continued theme epsidoes. The best example of this is the series
    of shows featuring the evil Prince Baccarratti's Planet X.  These shows
    served to foster the "Name Planet X" contest where a replica of the Space
    Patrol Rocket was the first prize.  Nobody ever thought that the shows would
    be in demand beyond their initial showings.  Everyone just thought the show
    would go on and on until it just died.  With the death of Mike Moser, its
    creator, ABC tried to buy the rights to the show to continue it, but his
    widow would not sell and they simply cancelled the show, even with sponsors
    who had renewed for another season.   As most of the 30 minute shows had
    been shot on 35MM kinescope/films, they went into syndication by the Mack
    Agency, undergoing a name change to "Satellite Police."  The commercials
    were pulled and the premiums offers as well. It continued in syndication
    until at least 1969.
    As for the Ralston Rocket, it was won by a boy named Ricky Walker.  In 1985
    the rocket was traced down as being in Gent NY. The space ship was on the
    front lawn of a small construction company.  The space ship was owned by a
    movie producer in NY who had plans to restore the rusting rocket and use it
    in a Sci Fi movie. A few months later a construction worker put his foot
    through a rusted out part of the hull and the company had the ship
    destroyed. Lots of pictures and info on the Ralston Rocket and the search
    for Planet X contest that fostered it can be found on the Solar Guard site.
    [removed]
    Tom Mason

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:46:29 -0500
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WLS

    In a message dated 12/26/02 2:03:53 AM, Dave Walter writes:

>     Certainly, one would have to think that two of the Blue Network's three
>     Chicago affiliates would also counter that statement, as their specific
>     target audiences were farmers (WLS, owned by the Prairie Farmer paper) and
>     laborers (WCFL, owned by the Chicago Federation of Labor and intended by its
>     founders as a union organizing tool).

    ***Growing up in Minneapolis, I'd always heard that WLS' original owner was
    Sear's Roebuck, and that the call letter's stood for "World's Largest Store."
     Was that just folklore?  As I recall, Sears heavily promoted Gene Autry's
    early records in its catalogs because of its connection to WLS and the
    National Barn Dance show. --Anthony Tollin***

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:46:50 -0500
    From: "Frank Phillips" <frankphi@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR logs

    Is anyone familiar with a freeware program called Otter?

    I downloaded this program from a Yahoo group, and am learning how to use it.
    Unfortunately, as the documentation says, "You're pretty much on your own
    for now."

    Please contact me off list if you have experience with it or know of a Web
    site that would carry updates.

    The best feature of the program seems to be the database that allegedly
    carries all available shows for many OTR programs. The user's collection can
    then be added and the collector can see a list of all shows or just the
    shows he does not have. The program reads the CD directory, making
    individual show input very fast.

    Frank Phillips

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:47:13 -0500
    From: Michael Browning <aquarii2u@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Billie the Brownine
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
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    Merry Christmas to everyone that reads and writes to the old time radio
    digest. Speaking of Christmas, the last few weeks there was a lot of mention
    of a series that played on the radio called the Cinnamon Bear. It was a
    child's program that I enjoyed listening to and enjoyed giving it to other
    people to do the same but now I get to another program that was on the radio
    for many years, ending in the middle 50s. When I was a child, there was a
    program that was on the radio every year just as was the Cinnamon Bear at
    Christmas time and that program was Billie the Brownine. Is there any other
    people out there that remembers this program and I would like to know if
    there is any place that you can get it. It was a great show in it's self and
    I would like to turn many other people on to it. So if there is any people
    out there that can help me, I would appreciate it.

      *** This message was altered by the server, and may not appear ***
      ***                  as the sender intended.                   ***

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:05:27 -0500
    From: ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Funk)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RS at Target

    Seasons greetings to all my OTR buddies.  I just today began catching up
    on my Digest reading.  Since the 4th of December I've been too busy with
    my retail and mail order business to take time out to read them.  Just
    before that I had asked in the Digest about where to find RS in my local
    Target Store.  There were a number of folks who responded by email and
    others who responded in the Digest.  I'm grateful to all who helped.  I
    did find them.

    Art Funk
    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 15:15:41 -0500
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  TV ALERT - "Save Our Sounds" on History
     Channel

    Tonight at 8 PM EST, 7 PM CST, the History Channel is airing a special
    entitled "Save Our Sounds" on the Smithsonian's efforts to preserve recorded
    material. --Anthony Tollin

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 21:46:27 -0500
    From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  About Struts and Frets

    Many  readers of this list have expressed interest in Struts and Frets and
    suggested that I write a book. To some, I have been able to explain that I
    do not have the inclination, dedication or energy to tackle a project of the
    size they suggest. The articles in S and F have been relatively easy to do
    because of their length. Their subject matter has been confined as much as
    possible to OTR. If anyone has a suggestion for a topic that has  not  been
    touched, or will not be in the  four articles already written, I would be
    happy to continue this series,
    One small exception: no questions beginning " What was it like to work
    [removed]" or "What is your [removed]"
    Meanwhile , I'm most grateful for your kind words.

    Harry Bartell

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    Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:22:02 -0500
    From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Editor's Daughter

    Anyone have info on this show? It was a syndicated series but Dunning has no
    references to it. Also known as Mary Foster the Editor's Daughter.

    Joe Salerno
    Video Works! Is it working for you?
    PO Box 273405 - Houston TX 77277-3405 [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:42:35 -0500
    From: "James Faulkner" <tsunami100@[removed];
    To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Boris Karloff

    I'd like to make an attempt to contact any readers who might have a nice
    collection of Boris Karloff material either in mp3 or in WAV CD formats.  I
    am trying to strengthen my personal collection, and I find that I have very
    few Karloff shows.  I think I have excellent strength in many other shows,
    and perhaps we can work a deal.  If there are any of you out there who may
    have a collection of Karloff in Mp3 or WAV, please contact me offline.  I
    would like to purchase or trade.  Thanks so much!  James Faulkner

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    Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 08:46:39 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

>     >From Those Were The Days --

    1939 - The Glenn Miller Show, also known as Music that Satisfies,
    started on CBS. The 15-minute, twice-a-week show was sponsored by
    Chesterfield cigarettes and was heard for nearly three years.

    1968 - The Breakfast Club signed off for the last time on ABC radio,
    after 35 years on the air.

      Note: Yesterday I neglected to mention the passing of Jack Benny, in
    1974.
      Joe

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