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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 393


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Have Gun log, part 2
	 Tom Mix and Personal Property
	 Sighs & sheeshes
	 Toy Shop
	 Blind Member

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:52:56 -0500 (EST)
From: passage@[removed] (Frank Passage)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Have Gun log, part 2
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

     11-01-59   50  Wedding Day                               1 3  67
                    Susan Linsey's Marriage                       5
     11-08-59   51  Assignment At Stone's Crossing            1     7
                    Executioner                                 3
                    Myron Curtis                                  5
                    Cleaver Hansen and Curtis                      6
     11-15-59   52  Landfall                                  1 3  67
     11-22-59   53  Fair Fugitive                             1 3   7
                    Magna Salver                                   6
     11-29-59   54  Bitter Vengance                           1 3  67
     12-06-59   55  Anything I Want                           1 3   7
                    Disappearing Gold Shipment                     6
     12-13-59   56  Out Of Evil                               1 3  67
     12-20-59   57  Range Carnival                            1 3  67
     12-27-59   58  About Face                                1     7
                    Hey Boy's Chinese Marriage Contract            6
     01-03-60   59  Return Engagement                         1 3  67
     01-10-60   60  The Lonely One                            1 3  67
     01-17-60   61  French Leave                              1 3  67
     01-24-60   62  Nataemhon                                 1 3  67
     01-31-60   63  Bad Bert                                  1 3  6
     02-07-60   64  The Boss                                  1
                    Six Gun                                     3
                    Ira Stokes of Alder Bend                       6
     02-14-60   65  Bring Him Back Alive                      1 3  6
     02-21-60   66  That Was No Lady                          1 3  6
     02-28-60   67  Dollhouse In Diamond Springs              1
                    Diamond Springs                             3  6
     03-06-60   68  Somebody Up There Hates Me                1 3  6
     03-13-60   69  Montana Vendetta                          1 3  6
     03-20-60   70  Caesar's Wife                             1 3  6
     03-27-60   71  They Told Me You Were Dead                     6
     04-03-60   72  Shanghai Is A Verb                          3
                    Hey Boy is Shanghaied                          6
     04-10-60   73  So True, Mr. Barnum                       1 3  6
     04-17-60   74  Prunella's fella                          1
                    Hillbillies                                 3
                    Gun In The Back Marriage                       6
     04-24-60   75  Irish Luck                                1    6
     05-01-60   76  Dressed To Kill                           1 3  67
     05-08-60   77  Pat Murphy                                1
                    Dr. Murphy                                  3
                    Elizabeth Higgins
     05-15-60   78  Lina Countryman                           1
                    Lens Countryman                                6
     05-22-60   79  Lucky Penny                                 3  6
     05-29-60   80  Dusty                                       3  6
     06-05-60   81  Apache Concerto                             3  6
     06-12-60   82  Search For Wylie Dawson                     3
                    Wylie Dawson                                   6
     06-19-60   83  Too, Too Solid Town                         3
                    The Army Man                                   6
     06-26-60   84  Doctor From Vienna                          3  6
     07-03-60   85  Dad Blamed Luck                           1
                    Luck                                        3  6
     07-10-60   86  Five Days To Yuma                         1 3
                    Delivery of a Prisoner                         6
     07-17-60   87  Little Guns                               1 3
                    Trip to Preston                                6
     07-24-60   88  Delta Queen                               1 3
                    Fastest Boat on the River                      6
     07-31-60   89  My Son Must Die                           1 3
                    Fishing Trip With Hey Boy                      6
     08-07-60   90  Viva                                      1
                    Father O'toole's Organ: Part 1              3
                    The Mission Organ, Part 1                      6
     08-14-60   91  Extended Viva                             1
                    Father O'toole's Organ: Part 2 Conclusion   3
                    The Mission Organ, Part 2                      6
     08-21-60   92  The Warrant                               1
                    Bounty Hunter                               3  6
     08-28-60   93  For The Birds                             1 3
                    Desert                                         6
     09-04-60   94  Eat Crow                                  1 3
                    A New Start                                2   6
     09-11-60   95  Deadline                                  1 3
                    Troublemakers                              2   6
     09-18-60   96  Nellie Watson's Boy                       123  6
     09-25-60   97  Bringing Up Ollie                         1 3
                    Old Friends                                2   6
     10-02-60   98  Talika                                    1 3
                    The Snoop                                  2   6
     10-09-60   99  Sam Crow                                  1 3   7
                    Skeeter Hickshaw                           2
                    Skeeter Hickshaw and Sam Crow                  6
     10-16-60  100  Stardust                                  1    67
                    Lola Blackwood                             2   6
     10-23-60  101  Hell Knows No Fury                        1     7
                    Billy Boggs                                2   6
     10-30-60  102  Oil                                       1
                    F. Milton Garner                               67
     11-06-60  103  The Odds                                  1
                    Nebraska                                       67
     11-13-60  104  The Map                                   1
                    Hidden Money                                   67
     11-20-60  105  Martha Nell                               1    67
     11-27-60  106  From Here To Boston (last show)           1     78
                    Inheritance                                    6
 
 
     Information Sources:
 
     The information above was obtained from the following OTR vendor
     and club catalogs.  Contact them directly for more information.
 
     Key Source
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      1  Edward J. Carr, 216 Shaner Street, Boyertown, PA 19512.
      2  Ken Mills, Nostalgia Recordings, 907 Maple Ave., Ridgefield, NJ
         07657.
      3  Steve Kelez, Radio Showcase, [removed] Box 4357, Santa Rosa, CA 95402
      4  Bob Burnham, BRC Productions, PO Box 2645, Livonia, MI 48151-0645
      5  Society for the Preservation of Entertainment Radio, Variety And
         Comedy (SPERDVAC), PO Box 7177, Van Nuys, CA 91409-7177
      6  Radio Historical Association of Colorado, [removed] Box 1908,
         Englewood, CO 80150
      7  North American Radio Archives (NARA), 134 Vincewood Dr.,
         Nicolasville, KY 40356.
      8  Sound Collectors Network, Suite 173, 121 24th Ave. [removed] Norman, OK
         73069
 
     Although I have had favorable dealings with some of the above, this 
     is not an endorsement of them. I receive nothing by mentioning them.
 
 
     Feedback: 
 
     Ken Piletic <kenpiletic@[removed]> wrote to the Internet OTR Digest
     (Digest V95, Issue #251, Sept 14, 1995):
 
     > The Character was known as Paladin, but that wasn't his name.  
     > To my knowledge nobody ever refered to him as "Jack".  Webster 
     > defines a Paladin thus:  1: A Champion of a Medieval Prince, 
     > 2: An Outstanding Protagonist of a Cause.  
 
     The origional text said: "Jack Paladin, the lead character, played 
     by John ...".
 
 
     Last Update: 10-10-95
 
 
     Although I retain copyright, this log may be freely copied provided 
     that the text is unchanged.  Please share it with fellow OTR lovers.
 
     I would greatly appreciate any error corrections or additional
     information. Please send them to: Frank Passage, 109 Elmwood Road, 
     Verona, NJ 07044 or via e-mail to passage@[removed]
 

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:59:07 -0500
From: aa993@[removed] (Christopher L. Tumber)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Tom Mix and Personal Property
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Bruce wrote:
 
BR> As for R-P, as owner,being allowed to do whatever they want
BR> with their property, including nothing. I consider that a
BR> crap attitude.  If they don't want to do anything with it,
BR> why can't collectors?
 
 
To which Marty wrote:
 
>Or do you have difficulty with that concept? {sigh}
 
In this case, yes.
 
Just because it's legal for copyright owners to bury their properties, 
doesn't mean it is right. The vast majority of "civilised" cities and 
counties has some sort of "historical landmark" law which translates to even 
though you may own a building (etc.) you CAN'T demolish it, or in many cases 
even make alterations to it. Perhaps this kind of protection needs to be 
extended to other works.
 
There are all kinds of limitations accepted in law to what you can and can't 
do with your own property. Some examples? Zoning by-laws, cruelty to animals 
laws, heck, speed limits [removed]
 
Perhaps there needs to be an ammendment to existing "intelectual property 
laws" not only outlining rights but ALSO responsibilities. Perhaps something 
similar to trademark law where if a trademark is abandonned and unused for 
long enough it is no longer valid and becomes void. Perhaps the same should 
apply to copyrighted work that is "withdrawn for the public eye" for an undue 
period.
 
Couple that with some kind of "historical landmark" law [removed] unique items 
like transcriptions and we're all [removed]
 

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:04:33 -0500
From: Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Sighs & sheeshes
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I know how Charlie McCarthy must have felt. Only I have Marty Tabnik instead
of Edgar Bergen putting words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say I wanted
anybody to give ME anything. To the hobby, yes, to me personally, that's my
problem to work out.

I don't have a problem with the concept of personal property. I have a
problem with mindless selfishness. I have a problem with a corporate mindset
that would rather see part of our cultural heritage lost to the ages rather
than share it with the handful of hobbyists who care about it. This is in
cantrast to your "the collector be damned, it's private property, so who
cares if they throw it in the garbage". I, for one, care. And I'll bet I'm
not the only one who cares.

"Without Ralson-Purina" there would have been NO shows for ME to complain
about" - True, but the people who created and maintained those shows are
long gone. Their successors are a bunch of stuffed suits who could care less
about Tom Mix, OTR and us. So what's their point? Besides, "It's ours, we
have it and you can't". A juvenille concept if ever I saw one.

Yes, I am aware that P & G has an 800 number. If I ever get the urge to chat
with someone about Crest or Tide or Cheer I'll give it a spin. If I wnat to
talk about Vic & Sade I'll call one of my OTR buddies.

"Mox nix" - I take it that is rather poorly spelled German for "Who cares?"
I do, that's who cares. If R-P can't make money off Tom Mix what's wrong
with allowing their precious 'private proberty' to be shared with people
who do care? Nothing that I can see.

How does my concern for the hobby tranlate into "I wannit, I wannit, I wannit'
That's just you putting words in MY mouth again. And I seriously doubt that
you speak for the hobby with your "corporations can do anything they want
'cause it's ours, ours, ours" attitude. New shows appear in the hobby on a
regular basis. Why? Because dedicated collectors and hobbyists dig them up
and make them available for all of to enjoy. But according to you it's
perfectly OK for R-P to sit on thousands of shows and allow nobody to enjoy
them because ........well, for no good reason that I can ascertain. R-P
will never make any money off them. The day will probably come when R-P will
throw them away because they need the space. But that's OK with you isn't
it? The disks are their property and they can do anything they want with them.
Including depriving us of them. Excuse me while I puke.

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:16:44 -0700
From: Jim Clark <jclark@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Toy Shop
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Stuart, here is the info you requested on Toy Shop magazine.
It's large format (11x14 inches), typically 200 or so pages
per issue, 26 issues per year, $[removed] (3rd class mail).
Toy Shop, 700 E. State St., Iola, WI, 54990-0001,
1-800-258-0929.  Most of the full-page or multi-page picture
ads are from folks who hold phone-in auctions.  There are
classified ads, of course.  Most of the cereal and OTR premiums
that I've found have been in the fine-print box ads with no
pictures, which typically begin in the latter half of the issue.
It takes a lot of searching (and maybe a hand lens), but they're 
there.  I get a big kick out of this magazine, seeing pictures
of long-since-forgotten toys that rekindle fond memories.  No
articles at all in this rag - just stuff for sale, cover to cover.

Jim Clark
e-mail: jclark@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 95 12:24:04 est
From: lee_maschmeyer@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Blind Member
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

To join Henry's poll, I too am blind.  This accounts for my spelling 
inaccuracies of a week or so ago:  It's Henry Blair, not Blaire, who played 
Sparky; and it's Verne Smith, not Vern, who narrated the Magic Piano.  
Somebody put those corrected spellings in last week, prompting me to check 
with my reader.  I have a reading machine and could have used that (did use 
it a few years ago but forgot the spelling) but the live reader came first.

So, vive le Blair.  Vive le Verne.  Vive le 
anybody-who-asks-questions-about-the-holdings-of-a-cereal-company!

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