Subject: [removed] Digest V2006 #287
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Date: 10/22/2006 9:32 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2006 : Issue 287
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      10-22 births/deaths                   [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      SUPERMAN SERIAL ONLY ON VHS           [ "Glenn Mueller" <durangokid@adelphi ]
      The Clitheroe Kid and The Life Of Ri  [ "Charles Salt" <charles_salt@hotmai ]
      OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK               [ "Jerry Haendiges" <jerryhaendiges@c ]
      new radio books are in!               [ Ben Ohmart <benohmart@[removed]; ]
      "Break the Bank"                      [ David Ballarotto <[removed]@ ]
      Re: Fred Allen: an Appreciation       [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      Re: Grant's tomb                      [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      Re: Topical Humor                     [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]
      Fred Allen                            [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
      TCM Child Stars                       [ Steve Carter <scarter2@[removed]; ]
      Radio Icon Fred Allen                 [ "Frank McGurn" <[removed]@sbcgloba ]
      Fred Allen not funny?                 [ Illoman <illoman@[removed]; ]
      Fred Allen and funniness              [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:19:48 +0000
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  10-22 births/deaths

    October 22nd, births

    10-22-1876 - Cecilia Loftus - Glasgow, Scotland - d. 7-12-1943
    actor: Sarah Wright "Roses and Drums"
    10-22-1884 - George Washington Hill - Philadelphia, PA - d. 9-13-1946
    President of American Tobacco Company, sponsor of many radio programs
    10-22-1891 - Parker Fennelly - Northeast Harbor, ME - d. 1-22-1988
    actor: Titus Moody, "Fred Allen Show"; Dan Tucker, "Lawyer Dan Tucker"
    10-22-1893 - Clarence Menser - d. 10-xx-1975
    director: "Tom Mix"; "Vic and Sade"
    10-22-1905 - Constance Bennett - NYC - d. 7-24-1965
    interviewer, panelist: "Constance Bennett Calls on You"; "Leave It to
    the Girls"
    10-22-1905 - Edward Byron - Newport, KY - d. 11-21-1964
    writer, producer: "Moon River"; "Mr. District Attorney"
    10-22-1906 - Sidney Kingsley - NYC - d. 3-20-1995
    writer: "Pulitzer Prize Plays"
    10-22-1907 - Roger DeKoven - Chicago, IL - d. 1-28-1988
    actor: Professor Allen, "Against the Storm"
    10-22-1913 - Jay Owen - d. 6-27-2005
    worked in radio in Washington [removed] and New York City
    10-22-1915 - Laurette Fillbrandt - Zanesville, OH
    actor: "Girl Alone"; "Affairs of Anthone"; "One Man's Family"
    10-22-1916 - Sidney Miller - Shenandoah, PA - d. 1-10-2004
    actor-director-songwriter: "Eddie Cantor Show"; "Jeff Regan, Private
    Investigator"
    10-22-1917 - Joan Fontaine - Tokyo, Japan
    actor: "Cresta Blanca Hollywood Players"
    10-22-1920 - Mitzi Green - The Bronx, NY - d. 5-24-1969
    actor: Girl "Passport to Romance"
    10-22-1938 - Sir Derek Jacoby - Leytonstone, London, England
    actor:  Renaissance Theatre Company in association with BBC Radio Drama
    10-22-1939 - Jim Cox - Pineville, KY
    author: "Radio Crime Fighters"; "Great Radio Soap Operas"
    10-22-1939 - Tony Roberts - NYC
    actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"

    October 22nd deaths

    01-02-1925 - Richard Jessup - d. 10-22-1982
    writer: "Tom Corbett, Space Cadet"
    01-23-1884 - George McManus - St. Louis, MO - d. 10-22-1954
    "Bringing Up Father" based on his comic strip
    02-17-1908 - Walter "Red" Barber - Columbus, MS - d. 10-22-1992
    sportscaster: (The Old Redhead) "Schaefer Star Revue"
    04-07-1905 - Murray Bolen - Minnesota - d. 10-22-1995
    producer, director: "Father Knows Best"; "Mayor of the Town";
    "Railroad Hour"
    04-11-1921 - Dorothy Shay - Jacksonville, FL - d. 10-22-1978
    singer: (Park Avenue Hillbilly) "The Spike Jones Show"
    04-29-1903 - Richard Leibert - Bethlehem, PA - d. 10-22-1976
    organist: "Dick Leibert's Musical Revue"; "Organ Rhapsody"
    05-22-1916 - Rupert Davies - Liverpool, England - d. 10-22-1976
    actor: "Afternoon Theatre"
    06-13-1916 - Mary Wickes - St. Louis, MO - d. 10-22-1995
    actor: Louise "Meet Corliss Archer"; Irma Barker "Lorenzo Jones"
    06-22-1901 - Charlie Agnew - Illinois - d. 10-22-1978
    bandleader: "Yeast Foam Program"; "Armandes Face Cream Program"
    06-27-1862 - May Irwin - Whitby, Canada - d. 10-22-1938
    actor: "The Eveready Hour"
    07-05-1899 - Tim Ryan - Bayonne, NJ - d. 10-22-1956
    actor: "Tim and Irene Show"
    08-02-1899 - Earle Larimore - Portland, OR - d. 10-22-1947
    actor: "Alias Jimmy Valentine"; "Life Can Be Beautiful"
    10-26-1918 - Ivor Francis - Toronto, Canada - d. 10-22-1986
    actor: "Secret Missions"; "The Chase"
    10-30-1910 - Francia White - Greenville, TX - d. 10-22-1984
    singer: "Palmolive Beauty Box Theatre"; "Fred Astaire Show";
    "Telephone Hour"
    11-22-1904 - Roland Winters - Boston, MA - d. 10-22-1989
    actor: Russell Bartlett "My Best Girls"; "Milton Berle Show";
    "Highways in Melody"
    11-25-1905 - Will Osborne - Toronto, Canada - d. 10-22-1981
    bandleader, singer: "Abbott and Costello"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:19:48 +0000
    From: "Glenn Mueller" <durangokid@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  SUPERMAN SERIAL ONLY ON VHS

     > From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
     > Subject: Superman serial
     >
     >The VHS videos were the only times the serials were ever commercially and
     > since people have transferred the serial to DVD over the past few years from
     > this same source, many include the complete music opening for chapters 1 and
     > 8, and never went back to edit them back into the other chapters.

    See how quickly everybody forgets about Laser Disc's ? ? ? IMAGE ENTER-
    TAINMENT issued a three disc set of "SUPERMAN: The Serial" . . . It's
    Copyrighted
    1988 for program and content but states copyright 1998 by Warner Home Video for
    package and design and copyright 1998 by DC Comics . . .
    I would swear I was into DVD's in 1998 and Laser Disc's had gone by the wayside
    except for some stores in the Hollyweird area selling them as OUT OF PRINT as
    collector items . . I made a note on the disc sleeve I paid $[removed] for the
    set but it
    had to have been in late 1980's . . . . . . I think I'll go lay down for a
    while . . .
      Glenn E. Mueller
      Rowland Heights, CA

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:19:49 +0000
    From: "Charles Salt" <charles_salt@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Clitheroe Kid and The Life Of Riley

    The Clitheroe Kid and The Life Of Riley

    Dear all,
    I have a couple of questions for the group if I may, apologies if they do
    not meet with protocol- I'm still new here.

    Firstly, I was wondering if anyone knows if the following episode of The
    Life Of Riley exists and, if possible, where it could be obtained please:

    481105 218 Comic Books

    Secondly, I would like to ask for your help with the following project please:

    I'm part of a team searching for lost episodes of The Clitheroe Kid. It's
    the Clitheroe Kid's 50th Anniversary next year & we are trying to get
    information relating to whatever 'lost' shows of the Kid that we can.
    If you would be kind enough to access the following site link, we are
    interested in information concerning any of the episodes highlighted in red:
    [removed]
    If you think that you can help please feel free to contact me, many
    [removed] is an ongoing project for 2006/7.

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:19:50 +0000
    From: "Jerry Haendiges" <jerryhaendiges@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK

    Hi Friends,
    NOTE: Because of the many requests we've received, we are now making "Same
    Time, Same Station" available as a free Podcast through iTunes by going to
    our new website at: [removed]

    Here is this week's schedule for my Olde Tyme Radio Network. Here you may
    listen to high-quality broadcasts with Tom Heathwood's "Heritage Radio
    Theater," Big John Matthews and Steve "Archive" Urbaniak's "The Glowing
    Dial" and my own "Same Time, Same Station."  Streamed in high-quality audio,
    on demand, 24/7 at [removed]
    Check out our High-Quality mp3 catalog at:
    [removed]
    =======================================

    SAME TIME, SAME STATION

    Halloween Special - Part 1

    VINCENT PRICE HALL OF HORRORS
    Episode 1    "Fraternity Initiation"

    THE HALLS OF IVY
    Episode 77    11-7-51    "Halloween"
    NBC SCHLITZ BREWERY Fridays 8:00 - 8:30 pm
    Stars: Ronald Colman & Benita Hume (Mr. and Mrs. Ronald Colman), Williard
    Waterman, Herbert Butterfield, Gloria Gordon
    Guests: Hanley Stafford and Gale Gordon
    CREATOR/WRITER: Don Quinn
    DIRECTOR: Nat Wolff

    VINCENT PRICE HALL OF HORRORS
    Episode 2    "Father Weber's Rescue"

    MURDER AT MIDNIGHT
    Episode 3    7-27-57
    Guest: Web Pierce

    VINCENT PRICE HALL OF HORRORS
    Episode 4    "The Woman in Black"

    LUX RADIO THEATER
    Episode 910    2-8-55    "War if the Worlds"
    Stars: Dana Andrews and Pat Crowley

    ==================================

    HERITAGE RADIO THEATER

    THE GREEN LAMA
    CBS    6/26/49    with Paul Frees and Ben Wright in "The Million-Dollar
    Chopsticks"

    THE BLACK MUSEUM
    SYND/BBC    1951-52   with Orson Welles in "The Raincoat"

    FIBBER McGEE & MOLLY
    NBC    10/23/53   - 15 min. episode with the McGee's ready to leave for Aunt
    Sara's

    ====================================

    THE GLOWING DIAL

    Inner Sanctum Mysteries - "The Black Sea Gull"
    originally aired March 7, 1943 on The Blue Network
    Starring: Peter Lorre.  Raymond Edward Johnson as Raymond, your host.
    Sponsor: Carter's Little Liver Pills

    Inner Sanctum Mysteries - "The Melody Of Death"
    originally aired April 22, 1944 on CBS
    Starring: Mary Astor.  Raymond Edward Johnson as Raymond, your host.
    Sponsor: Palmolive Brushless & Palmolive Lather Shaving Cream

    Inner Sanctum Mysteries - "The Creeping Wall"
    originally aired January 8, 1946 on CBS
    Starring: Irene Wicker.  Paul McGrath as your host.
    Sponsor: Lipton Tea & Lipton Soup

    Inner Sanctum Mysteries - "The Ghost In The Garden"
    originally aired February 2, 1947 on CBS
    Armed Forces Radio Service "Mystery Playhouse" version presented here.
    Starring: Leslie Woods.  Paul McGrath as your host.
    Sponsors: AFRS version has no sponsorship

    Inner Sanctum Mysteries - "Till Death Do Us Part"
    originally aired October 27, 1947 on CBS
    Starring: Everett Sloane, Mercedes McCambridge, Dwight Weist announcing.
    Paul McGrath as your host.
    Sponsor: Bromo Seltzer (Emerson Drug Company of Baltimore, Maryland)

    ==================================

    If you have any questions or request, please feel free to contact me.

          Jerry Haendiges

          Jerry@[removed]  562-696-4387
          The Vintage Radio Place   [removed]
          Largest source of Old Time Radio Logs, Articles and programs on the Net

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:22:29 -0400
    From: Ben Ohmart <benohmart@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  new radio books are in!

    Just a note to say that the day after I returned from
    my 3 weeks in Japan, the Joan Davis and Vic & Sade
    books arrived! So they're shipping out to you all this
    week. Thanks for your patience, especially with the
    long delay on Joan Davis.

    Upcoming books: Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar. The
    Railroad Hour. Straight Arrow.

    Japan is a Lovely country, by the way. You should all
    visit it! But cds and dvds are Too expensive, so watch
    out!

    Ben Ohmart
    Radio books
    [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:22:45 -0400
    From: David Ballarotto <[removed]@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  "Break the Bank"

    I've recently listened to a few of these programs and would like to hear
    more. The questions can become pretty challenging, and the format is
    engrossing. This show could easily be done again today on television.
    Unfortunately, it seems there are only a handful of shows in circulation.
    Does anyone know how much of this radio series still exists?

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:23:23 -0400
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Fred Allen: an Appreciation
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    In a message dated 10/22/06 7:32:58 AM Central Daylight Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

>     but I have only
>     listened to a few of them. They are just not funny. It could be
>     because he is very topical and his humor just doesn't hold up today.

    That's probably it, the topicality, because Fred almost always makes me
    [removed] when he's on someone else's show.  Don't know why, he just
    does.
    I heard him on "The Big Show" and on "Information Please" and he made me
    laugh out loud multiple times (especially on IP where he stumped the panel
    with a
    really tough but legit astronomy question and bragged about the Encyclopedia
    Britannicas he was about to get).

    Another sure laugh getter: Fred addressing or appearing with Jack Benny.  I
    also always loved his morning radio couple bit with Tallullah Bankhead.
    ("Only
    the hearts of the tender pussy willows are used!")

    Dixon

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:23:44 -0400
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Grant's tomb
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    In a message dated 10/22/06 7:32:58 AM Central Daylight Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

>     By the way, who is buried in Grant's tomb?

    Former president [removed]**and** his first lady.

    Dixon

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:24:24 -0400
    From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Topical Humor

    In Ron Sayles post, he says:

>     Many of you  know of my aversion to those radio icons "Amos 'n' Andy."
>     I feel nearly the  same way about Fred Allen, another icon of old-time
>     radio. I have many of his  shows in my collection, but I have only
>     listened to a few of them. They are  just not funny. It could be
>     because he is very topical and his humor just  doesn't hold up today.
>     He may have been funnier when originally broadcast, I  sure hope
>     because he certainly isn't funny today.

    I also find that  to be true in other OTR shows. Topical humor, in a lot of
    instances, does not  hold up simply because you have no reference as to what
    they are talking about,  and in most cases, no way to look it up. In other
    cases, I find the speaking  voices of the entertainers annoying to the point
    that I
    don't care to listen to  them. For me at least, George Burns is one example
    of what I mean. I do not find  the Burns and Allen show particularly funny.
    Thick accent's, and brogues, are a  turn off for me unless they are affected,
    such as William Bendix's accent in The  Life of Riley. or Chester Lauck, and
    Norris Goff, as Lum and  Abner.

    Speaking of Lum and Abner, which I love by the way, is the  Kingfish on Amos
    N Andy any more of a conniver than say Squire Skimp on that  program? Or
    Frankie, on Phil and Alice's show. Weren't those two characters  always
    looking for
    ways to take advantage of either Lum and Abner, or Phil  Harris, or a
    situation? I think it was part of the schtick, and not meant to  portray
    anyone as
    being weak minded, or weak in character. Just a  thought.

    Charlie

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:24:53 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fred Allen

>     Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:20:55 +0000
>     From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];

>     Many of you know of my aversion to those radio icons "Amos 'n'
>     Andy." I feel nearly the same way about Fred Allen, another icon of
>     old-time radio. I have many of his shows in my collection, but I
>     have only listened to a few of them. They are just not funny. It
>     could be because he is very topical and his humor just doesn't hold
>     up today. He may have been funnier when originally broadcast, I
>     sure hope because he certainly isn't funny today.

    Fred Allen was very topical. and unless you have some familiarity
    with the current events of the time, it's hard to even understand the
    jokes.  I do find him funny, but not as funny as Jack Benny, whose
    humor holds up much better.

    That said, I once played a Jack Benny radio show for my parents, and
    they kept interrupting with "Do you know what that means?"  And they
    would proceed explain a reference that I didn't even know was a
    reference to something which was then current.  So Jack Benny did
    have =some= topical humor, but there is enough else to make him still
    funny today.

    One example that comes to mind -- for which I did happen to know the
    reference -- was a St. Patrick's Day show in the early 50s, where
    Jack said, "How can St. Patrick's Day be a day for the wearing of the
    green when the government just took it all away?"  The Internal
    Revenue Code of 1954 changed the filing deadline for income tax
    returns to 15 April, where it had previously been 15 March.  If you
    didn't know that, the joke would make no sense.

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 Fax [removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:25:17 -0400
    From: Steve Carter <scarter2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  TCM Child Stars

    I saw this earlier this month.
    There is some OTR content, well worth viewing. It's a great show with
    wonderful people. Great CB Lux story that Dick Moore told.
    It plays again on the 30th and then in Dec:
    [removed];mainArticleId=144330

    Steve

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:25:33 -0400
    From: "Frank McGurn" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: "The Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Radio Icon Fred Allen

    When I think of "Radio Icons" Fred Allen is among my favorites. Fred was
    topical to a point, but he poked fun at a lot current events in the news. He
    as innovated. with his Allen's alley, and he had top stars as guests.

    He was on the air for 17 years and must have sold a lot of  Ipana , for the
    smile of beauty , and   sold a lot of Sal Hepatica, for the smile of health.
    He sold of lot Texaco Gasoline, and Tender Tea plus Ford Cars & Trucks.

    You all knew that Fred wrote most of his shows, and he assembled a great
    cast characters with Allen Reed (Falstaff Oprnshaw) Kenny Delmar ( Senator
    Claghorn) Meriva Pious ( [removed])  and Dennis Day's favorite Parker
    Fennelly ( Titus Moody).

    Fred was very topical but you see as young kid I knew what was going on in
    the world. Fred made jokes about the 1939 New York's World Fair symbol The
    Perisphere and [removed] knew what is was even youg kids.  If the
    humor was over my head my father explained to me. Fred also had a very quick
    mind.

    I have about 80 or so Allen show From "The Linit Bath Club Revue" through
    Ford Dealers as sponsors and I have lisenedv to every one more than once.

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:26:03 -0400
    From: Illoman <illoman@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fred Allen not funny?

    Ron Sayles wrote:

>      They are just not funny. It could be
>     because he is very topical and his humor just doesn't hold up today.
>     He may have been funnier when originally broadcast, I sure hope
>     because he certainly isn't funny today.

    I have become interested in Fred Allen in the last year or so. While
    I agree his shows are not that funny, Mr. Sayles should listen to
    some of Allen's appearances on other people's shows. His ability to
    ad lib was one of his greatest strengths. His "feud" with Jack Benny
    made for some of the funniest OTR I've ever heard. There's a clip
    circulating of Allen and Groucho Marx recorded after some show (which
    is unnamed) and they just ad lib for the audience for a few minutes.
    Great stuff.

    Mike Bennett

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    Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2006 23:26:33 -0400
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fred Allen and funniness

>     Many of you know of my aversion to those radio icons "Amos 'n' Andy."
>     I feel nearly the same way about Fred Allen, another icon of old-time
>     radio. I have many of his shows in my collection, but I have only
>     listened to a few of them. They are just not funny. It could be
>     because he is very topical and his humor just doesn't hold up today.
>     He may have been funnier when originally broadcast, I sure hope
>     because he certainly isn't funny today.

    Well, humor is always tricky.  What little I've heard of Fred Allen strikes
    me as rather harsh and sarcastic, and I have always attributed that to the
    fact that times were harder back then.

    Someone observed that funniness generally results when one frame of
    reference is superimposed on another, like someone roasting an ox in an art
    gallery.  But if enough time has passed such that the audience doesn't know
    what an ox roast was like in the '30's, or what art galleries were like back
    then, the humor is lost.

    Much of the Marx Brothers' work seems based on venues which amplify class
    differences that far stricter than those we have now: the opera, or the
    ocean liner.  These semi-legal goofballs, whose world and ambitions are very
    much their own, are placed in this alien environment, and we can laugh at
    them--but only if we understand just how alien that environment was.

    Woody Allen has probably done as much to de-construct humor as anyone, and a
    look at his movies ('the old, funny ones') has taught me a lot.  His classic
    superimposing (superimposition?) of frames of reference was 'What's Up,
    Tiger Lily?' in which he bought the rights to a Japanese-language
    science-fiction-spy movie and dubbed his own plot into the audio track.

    His other movies kept it up, line by line, [removed] "there's a spider the size
    of a Buick" in Annie Hall's bathtub, or the paratrooper scene in another one
    of his movies which I'm not going to mention further.

    And, of course, there was his skit about the world's funniest joke, which
    could make you die laughing.  He showed how it was adapted as a weapon of
    war, broadcast through olive-drab loudspeakers mounted on tanks (I think) by
    ear-muffed troops across enemy lines.

    And so, unfortunately, changing times can kill jokes as surely as a language
    barrier.  Music transcends both, and good literature as well, but humor is
    the most perishable of art forms.

    And besides, some things just strike people funny.

    M Kinsler

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