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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2007 : Issue 341
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      radio ads                             [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
      WNBC                                  [ "Michael Muderick" <michael@muderic ]
      TV to Radio                           [ Larry Gassman <lgsinger@[removed] ]
      Kids Western Show                     [ Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed]; ]
      Kid's Quiz Show                       [ Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed]; ]
      Re: We Hold These Truths              [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      12-5 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      WNBC/WONS/WPOP                        [ Robert Paine <ka3zci@[removed]; ]
      TV shows to radio                     [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
      Bongs without chirps                  [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
      Holiday Oldtime Radio Marathon this   [ "Robert Acosta" <boacosta@[removed] ]

      Looking for . . .?                    [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]

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    Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:36:41 -0500
    From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  radio ads
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    I don't know if these would qualify as ads or not, but here goes.

    On "Information Please", sponsored by Lucky Strike cigarettes:
    Auctioneer chants: "It's half  past eight, half past eight"
    Radio announcer: "It's half past eight America, time to light up a
    Lucky and try to stump the experts!"

    Another OTR Fan,
    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:18:23 -0500
    From: "Michael Muderick" <michael@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WNBC

    Excerpted from History of NYC AM RAdio--
    [removed]

    Original calls, taken from an alphabetical list, were WDAM, however they
    were deemed too profane.
    On May 29, 1922, the next available calls were assigned: WEAF.
    WEAF stood for "Water, Earth, Air, Fire", the four elements of matter.
    On August 16, 1922, WEAF hit the air on 360 meters (or 833 AM on our
    present AM band.)

    .....In August 1946, "Buffalo" Bob Smith began hosting WEAF's morning
    show, then left in 1951 to concentrate on "Howdy Doody."
    Later in 1946, NBC came to an agreement with a small station in New
    Britain CT to relinquish that city's initials from its call letters and on
    November 2, 1946 at 5:30p, WEAF presented its last broadcast, entitled
    "Hail And Farewell," and at 6p turned into WNBC.

    Michael Muderick

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    Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:25:17 -0500
    From: Larry Gassman <lgsinger@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  TV to Radio

    I was surprised that noone got Hopalong Casidy long time ago.
    Larry Gassman

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    Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:00:34 -0500
    From: Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Kids Western Show
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    Say, would that kid's western show be Wild Bill Hickok, starring Guy Madison
    as Wild Bill Hickok. and Andy Devine as Jingles P. Jones, sponsored by
    kellogg's Sugar Pop's?

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    Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:01:14 -0500
    From: Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Kid's Quiz Show
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    Could that be "Juvenile Jury?"I got excited and jumped the gun a little late
    and asked if that was the"Wild Bill Hickok" show. I backtracked and found you
    already posted it! Kick me !!!The only one I can think of would be Hopalong
    Cassidy. The radio shows were pre-recorded in 1948-1949. By the time the
    radio show got the go-ahead to premier broadcast them was, either 1949 or
    1950. So television could have jumped the gun and broadcast the television
    shows first in 1949, as the first shows were cut down versions of 1948-49
    movies to fit a 30 minute time slot with Andy Clyde and Rand brooks that
    Hoppy produced [removed] In the early 1950's he produced  made for TV Hoppy
    shows, with Edgar Buchanan as his sidekick, "Red Connors."

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    Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:03:31 -0500
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: We Hold These Truths

    Andrew Steinberg said:

>     I believe there were two broadcasts of this show
>     with different casts. The West Coast broadcast
>     is the more famous one

    >From what Corwin himself has written in the preface to the published script,
    and from his biography it is evident that it would have been absolutely
    impossible for there to have been two broadcasts of this program that night.
    What we have is the single broadcast that night, aired simultaneously on all
    four networks and many independent stations.   First of all, President
    Roosevelt was so busy that night that he didn't even have time to listen to
    the broadcast he was following, let alone give the speech twice.  There WAS
    a rehearsal that started about an hour and a half before air time,  but I
    believe that Corwin has said that the recording has been lost.  He has
    commented that Orson Welles' cold reading of his segment was even more
    stirring in the rehearsal than in the broadcast, but alas, that performance
    is gone.

>     but there is an AFRS recording of another broadcast
>     of We Hold These Truths with a different cast including
>     Jackson Beck and Mason Adams. Does anyone know
>     the date of that broadcast?

    I don't see any listing of this on Corwin's site.  The only repeat was done
    for the 50th anniversary of the original in 1991, and looking at the CD of
    it, neither Beck nor Adams is listed in the large cast.  While Corwin
    re-wrote the script especially for this performance, he did not direct it.
    David Ossman directed it for Otherworld Media and WETA.

    I guess we'll just have to ask Corwin when he appears again on YesterdayUSA
    on Friday.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:03:39 -0500
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  12-5 births/deaths

    December 5th births

    12-05-1883 - May Davenport Seymour - Boston, MA - d. 10-5-1967
    actor: Mrs. Allen and Mrs. Porter "Against the Storm"
    12-05-1886 - Rose Wilder Lane - De Smet, SD - d. 10-30-1968
    writer: (Daughter of Laura Ingalls Wilder) "Hallmark Hall of Fame";
    "Helen Hayes Theatre"
    12-05-1890 - Fritz Lang - Vienna, Austria - d. 8-2-1976
    film director: "Bud's Bandwagon"
    12-05-1892 - Al Boasberg - Buffalo, NY - d. 6-18-1937
    writer: "Jack Benny Program"
    12-05-1901 - Grace Moore - Jellico, TN - d. 1-26-1947
    opera singer: "General Motors Concerts"; "Speed Show"; "Vicks Open
    House"
    12-05-1901 - Walt Disney - Chicago, IL - d. 12-15-1966
    actor: Mickey Mouse "Mickey Mouse Theatre of the Air"
    12-05-1903 - Fred Van Deventer - Tipton, IN - d. 12-2-1971
    newscaster, panelist: "Vandeventer and the News"; "Twenty Questions"
    12-05-1904 - Harold Huber - NYC - d. 9-29-1959
    actor: Hercule Poirot "Hercule Poirot"; Fu Manchu "Shadow of Fu Manchu"
    12-05-1906 - Otto Preminger - Vienna, Austria - d. 4-23-1986
    actor, film producer, director: "Fun In Print"; "Listen to the People"
    12-05-1906 - William Spier - d. 5-30-1973
    producer, director: "Advs. of Sam Spade"; "Suspense"
    12-05-1907 - Reid Kilpatrick - Michigan - d. 8-11-1983
    host: "Quiz of Two Cities"
    12-05-1912 - Hans Wolf - Hamburg, Germany - d. 8-5-2005
    conducted operas and symphonies for radio
    12-05-1918 - Ralph Blizard - Kingsport, TN - d. 12-3-2004
    fiddler: At age 12 formed "The Southern Ramblers"; Appeared on many
    Tri-cities radio stations
    12-05-1922 - Alan Freed - Johnstown, PA - d. 1-20-1965
    disc jockey: "Moondog Show"; "Alan Freed Show"; "Camel Rock and Roll
    Party"

    December 5th deaths

    02-18-1920 - Howard Rodman - New York - d. 12-5-1985
    writer: "The American School of the Air"
    03-09-1914 - Fred Clark - Lincoln, CA - d. 12-5-1968
    actor: "This Is Your FBI"; "Amos 'n' Andy Show"
    04-05-1910 - Jim Alderman - d. 12-5-1992
    newscaster: Dallas, Texas
    05-06-1900 - Dave Elman - Park River, ND - d. 12-5-1967
    emcee: (The Dean of American Hobbyists) "Hobby Lobby"
    05-08-1915 - John Archer (Ralph Bowman) - Lincoln, NE - d. 12-5-1999
    actor: Lamont Cranston/Shadow "The Shadow"; "Gateway to Hollywood"
    06-18-1897 - Henry Wadsworth - Maysville, KY - d. 12-5-1974
    actor: Alabama Randall "Jane Arden"
    07-24-1802 - Alexandre Dumas - Aisne, France - d. 12-5-1870
    writer: "Works adapted for radio
    09-15-1923 - Arvell Shaw - St. Louis, MO - d. 12-5-2002
    jazz bassist: "Floor Show"; "Damon Runyon Memorial Concert"; "Jubilee"
    10-12-1907 - Bob Ancell - d. 12-5-1988
    disk jockey: WTVN Columbus, Ohio
    11-03-1912 - Gilbert Mack - NYC - d. 12-5-2005
    actor: Impy the Midget "Cloak and Daggeer"; "This is My Story"
    11-29-1917 - George Walsh - Cleveland, OH - d. 12-5-2005
    announcer: "Gunsmoke"; "Music 'Til Dawn"
    12-07-1906 - Fred Stewart - Atlanta, GA - d. 12-5-1970
    actor: "The Columbia Workshop"
    12-16-1907 - Albert Gore, Sr. - Granville, TN - d. 12-5-1998
    [removed] senator tennessee: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
    12-18-1904 - Montana Slim - Guysborough, Novia Scotia - d. 12-5-1996
    singer: Had his own show on CBS

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:24:25 -0500
    From: Robert Paine <ka3zci@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  WNBC/WONS/WPOP

    WNBC, New Britain CT, is now WPOP. The information
    I've been able to get hold of indicates the station
    signed on either 3/12/35 or 7/15/35, as WMFE on 1380
    with 250 watts. There may have been another callsign
    before WMFE which, in turn, is said to have been
    changed to WNBC one day after signon. From that time
    until 1942 it was a New Britain station and, around
    1938, established an auxiliary studio in Hartford. On
    6/16/42 the city of license (COL) became Hartford, as
    it moved to its remote studio. Call became WHTD about
    10/44 and WONS in the fall of 1946. ONS is said to
    have stood for O'Neill Station, for William O'Neill of
    General Tire, which purchased the station's
    then-owner, The Yankee Network. On 2/14/54, the call
    changed to WGTH, when it merged with WTHT, the
    Hartford Times' station. (I prefer to think that WTHT
    absorbed WONS, but that's not the [removed];G>) In
    7/56, the station was sold to Tele-Broadcasters of
    Connecticut, Inc., and sometime later, the call again
    changed to WPOP. I worked for the former [removed]
    WIOF/W104 FM when Merv Griffin owned it and WPOP. WNBC
    was not being used when the call letters succeeded the
    WEAF call in 1946. Later, NBC bought the former
    WKNB-TV, Ch. 30, New Britain, changed its New York Ch.
    4 to WRCA and the WNBC call went to Ch. 30. The TV and
    radio stations assigned to New Britain had no direct
    connection except for callsign. Probably more than you
    may have wanted to know about the station. The late
    Bill Murtough could have given you some direct info,
    as he worked for WNBC in the 30s, I believe. BTW, much
    of the infomation contained in this post comes from
    the Ed Brouder WPOP tribute site, and I give him more
    credit for the content than my own research turned up.

    Check out his site; a great tribute to the rock era of WPOP.

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    Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:25:00 -0500
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  TV shows to radio

>     Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:44:41 -0500
>     From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];

>     A few other series were not counted in the original eight even though
>     technically they would qualify. TWO FOR THE MONEY  began on TV on
>     9-30-52 and a week later the radio version was on the air. MEET MR.
>     MCNUTLEY (with Ray Milland) originated on TV on 9-17-53 at 8 PM and
>     the radio version appeared an hour later on the same date.

    I remember the radio version of Two for the Money, but I always
    thought that was, like so many other shows, a radio-to-television
    progression.

    BTW, "Strike it Rich" was another quiz show that was on both radio
    and television.  What was the sequence for that one?

    I never knew there was a radio version of Meet Mr. McNutley.  The TV
    version went through a strange metamorphosis.  For the second season,
    it was called the Ray Milland Show, and the character's name was
    changed to "McNulty."  He had the same TV wife and was still a
    college professor, but I think they also changed the university at
    which he taught.

>     So we're still missing two series. In the spirit of Christmas giving,
>     I'll provide some clues to the remaining duo. One was a kids' western
>     adventure and the other was a popular panel show.

    Well, Rin Tin Tin has already been mentioned.  If that's not the one
    you were thinking of, perhaps it was The Cisco Kid.  I know there was
    both a radio and television show, but I don't know the sequence.

    I'm drawing a complete blank on the panel show.

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax [removed]
    Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 02:12:01 -0500
    From: charlie@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
    and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
    over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
    of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
    real-time OTR talk!

    Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
    others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
    range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
    it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
    it's always a good time!

    For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
    week and every week!

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    Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:12:05 -0500
    From: <otrbuff@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Bongs without chirps

    One of the things I recall best about my early days as a TV viewer was the
    bongs that came at the top of every hour of CBS programming as a new feature
    was introduced -- seemingly -- identical to the bongs we still hear on CBS
    Radio today a second or so following the infamous, inevitable chirps.  There
    were no chirps on TV but I distinctly remember that at 7 o'clock on Monday
    night, for example, in that pre-daylight saving time era for us, there was a
    clear bong at 7:00:00 followed by a recorded orchestra striking up a few
    bars of "Love Nest" and soon Harry Von Zell exclaiming "The George Burns and
    Gracie Allen Show!"

    That tradition could be applied to Valiant Lady weekdays at 11 [removed] in the
    pre-DST epoch, to The Jackie Gleason Show at 7 or 8 [removed] Saturdays depending
    on time of year, Sixty Minutes on Sundays, et al. ad infinitum.

    My questions in regard to this innovation are:  When did the bongs cease ...
    and why?

    Now, on another matter, I distinctly recall hearing Arthur Godfrey report
    one late 1940s morning on his "Time" show that "We're not allowed to say
    "'This is CBS, the Columbia Broadcasting System' any more ... we are
    supposed to say 'This is the CBS Radio Network.'"  Does anybody recall that
    switchover?  Apparently it still holds true today as nobody on the air (to
    my knowledge) regularly identifies the programming -- whatever is left of
    it -- as Columbia Broadcasting System-originated.

    Just a few thoughts in passing.  That topic has been of paramount interest
    to me as evidenced by a volume I penned, "Say Goodnight, Gracie:  The Last
    Years of Network Radio" ([removed]).  It's still of infinite
    intrigue.  And there is so much many of us are still learning about that
    intoxicating, fascinating period in our national broadcasting history.  I'm
    always anxious to learn more from others willing to share their knowledge,
    impressions and observations.  You may contact me off-list or provide your
    insights for others to benefit from.

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:18:39 -0500
    From: "Robert Acosta" <boacosta@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Holiday Oldtime Radio Marathon this weekend.

    Hello Old Time Radio friends,
    We would like to invite you to attend our Holiday Marathon on:
    [removed] on Saturday and Sunday August 8/9, from 9 am to 9
    pm Pacific time.
    To fully access our audio community room you will need a microphone and some
    speakers.  However, you may also text chat with us.
    For more information please feel free to write Robert Acosta at
    boacosta@[removed].
        Thank you.

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    Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:10:46 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Looking for . . .?

    I am looking for the following archives and have been having difficulty.
    Anyone know where these might be?

    Buck Houghton archives

    Bert Granet archives

    Herbert Hirschman archives

    Ralph W. Nelson archives

    The fifth on the list, William Froug, I found at UCLA and his archive did
    indeed have radio scripts from such shows as Columbia Workshop, Romance,
    Suspense, and other radio programs.

    If anyone can point me in the right direction, it would be appreciated.

    best,

    Martin

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