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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2007 : Issue 170
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: My introduction to OTR            [ Bethany Rutledge <bsr_mmr@[removed] ]
  Re:The Lack of Ladies                 [ "Celia" <kretlow2@[removed]; ]
  Some more museum musings              [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  Ray Erlenborn                         [ "Mary L. Wallace" <mlwallace57@hotm ]
  Further on the Pepsi-Cola Jingle      [ skallisjr@[removed] ]
  Rosa Rio                              [ stevenl751@[removed] ]
  Ma, Mary and the Puddles              [ mmartini@[removed] ]
  Pepsi                                 [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
  Osadoj                                [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
  Attention Gene Autry fans             [ "Bob C" <rmc44@[removed]; ]
  Ma Perkins and Soap                   [ Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed]; ]
  OTR Organists                         [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
  Twice as much for a nickel too        [ Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed]; ]
  How I Got Hooked On OTR               [ "Bill Hintz" <retiredwillie@charter ]
  Coke vs. Pepsi                        [ "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm ]

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:30:56 -0400
From: Bethany Rutledge <bsr_mmr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: My introduction to OTR

My love affair with vintage radio is still quite new.

In 2004 - I was 31 at the time - a friend of mine
who's in her early forties was trying and trying to
get me to give it a try. I finally ordered a Fibber
McGee & Molly collection and a collection of Bing
Crosby programs --- both on mp3s. One early winter's
night, I settled down in front of my laptop, began
playing a FM&M episode, and fell in love.

It felt as though I happened across this window to the
1930s. This amazing portal which allowed me to listen
to the very same programs and laugh at the very same
jokes my grandparents enjoyed! It was - and still is -
such a rush to feel like I can step right into the
world as they knew it.

Bethany
Tucson, Arizona

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:31:20 -0400
From: "Celia" <kretlow2@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re:The Lack of Ladies

As a long time lady lurker, I can only speak for myself.

Having spent my formative years glued to the radio on a regular basis, I
have had a long-standing love of OTR. So many memorable programs from my
childhood come to mind:  "Let's Pretend", "Orphan Annie", "Terry and the
Pirates", "Lone Ranger", "Captain Midnight", etc., etc ... not to mention
the daily soaps I listened to along with my Mother.  Eventually,"ILAM",
"Lights Out", "Jack Benny", "Amos and Andy", "Phil Harris and Alice Faye",
etc. joined my favorites as well as such programs as "Music Till Dawn",
"Make Believe Ballroom" and "Hawaii Calling".  However, I haven't a clue
regarding the technical aspects of broadcasting, and the closest I have
rubbed elbows with anyone in radio, was to attend the WLS Barn Dance in
Chicago and sitting in on a Jack Eigan talk show, which, if memory serves,
was broadcast from Chicago's Chez Paree at the time.

I think there are many other ladies out there such as I, who have enjoyed a
life-long love and appreciation of OTR , but most of us do not have the
technical knowledge and expertise that so many of the male contributors have
to share, nor a history of personal involvement in the industry or
connections via those who have. (I must say that I have learned a great
deal, by what they have posted on this digest.) Therefore, without a sense
of being able to contribute something of technical substance, or share an
interesting story related to radio's fascinating history and the people who
populated it, we remain disengaged and/or silent, but enjoying each and
every issue of this wonderful OTR Digest nonetheless.

Always best regards,

Celia ~

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:33:11 -0400
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Some more museum musings

The Mayor of Etherville, Derek Tague, who should know better, wrote:

Of course, if someone had pointed out that
Bill Paley founded CBS with family money
made in the production of cigars . . .

Aarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Bill Paley was NOT the founder
of CBS.  Here is the correction I sent to the New York Times this afternoon.
I don't know if they will use it, but at least we can count on Charlie to
print it.

"The article "New Name and Mission for Museum of Television" by Elizabeth
Jensen describes William Paley as "the late CBS founder."  Paley was not
the founder of CBS.  The company was founded in January 1927 by Arthur
Judson and George A. Coats, and the CBS network went on the air Sunday
September 18, 1927. It was only after additional money was invested from
Betty Fleishman Holmes, Issac Levy, and the company's second president
Jerome Louchman, that William Paley also invested money and became the
company's third president on September 15, 1928.  Although the Columbia
Broadcasting System had already been on the air for a year when he
bought into it, later in his life Paley allowed himself to be publicized
by CBS as founder because he had afterwards changed the parent company's
name from United Independent Broadcasters, Inc. to that of the name of
their network. He was not the "founder" of the network, he just "found"
it.  Maybe that makes him the "finder" of the network, and the
"re-namer" of the parent company."

Now that I have gotten that out, I agree with my pal Derek when he says:

To a passerby or an out-of-towner (Somebody call Ripley,! Tague
is actually sticking up for tourists), the "Paley Center for Media"
sounds like a production house and not a museum/repository

That has been my point.  They are going to downplay their collecting of
programs in favor of collecting green papers with pictures of dead
presidents on them. They want to be known as a "center" now, as in a
"meeting place."

As someone who, like Derek, also still calls 30 Rock the RCA Building (there
already was ANOTHER GE Building over on the East side!!!!!) I appreciate it
when he says:

Personally, I'm not going to acclimate myself towards saying
"PCM." I might give in to referring to it as "Paley," but, for me,
"MTR" is fine.

Pulse Code Modulation does seem to be a strange name for the place.  After
all these years I still end up often it calling it the Museum of
Broadcasting (usually I call it the "&*#&E$^@*@# Museum of Broadcasting.")
Ironically I always resented that first name of theirs because the initials
they used back then were MB which happen to be MY initials!!!  So I called
it the "MOB" (or the "&*#&E$^@*@# MOB.")  Of course, if they had changed it
to what they should have, the "Museum of Radio and Television" the initials
would have been MRT.  I pity the fools!!!

Michael Biel (the REAL MB) mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:49:46 -0400
From: "Mary L. Wallace" <mlwallace57@[removed];
To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Ray Erlenborn
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It is with great sadness that I have to share the news that Ray Erlenborn
passed away on June 4 at the age of 92. Ray provided sound effects at several
FOTR conventions and he also provided at lot of laughs. Ray was a great guy
and I know that he will be missed by all of us who had the great pleasure of
knowing him.

Mary Lou Wallace

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:49:59 -0400
From: skallisjr@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Further on the Pepsi-Cola Jingle

As I recall, it was:

Pepsi Cola hits the spot.
12 full ounces: that's a lot.
Twice as much for a nickle, too,
Pepsi-Cola is the drink for you.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:50:16 -0400
From: stevenl751@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Rosa Rio
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There's a cute article about OTR organist Rosa Rio in the St. Petersburg
[removed]  She admits to her true age, which [removed] well, you'll have to read the
article to believe it!

[removed]

- Steve Lewis
AOL at [removed]

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:28:27 -0400
From: mmartini@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Ma, Mary and the Puddles

Hi,

Just to play "tag-team" a little with Mr. Cox's posting about beloved Ma
Perkins.  As Jim pointed out, Ma was not the first soap, not even at WLW.  Ma
was preceded by a show called "The Puddle Family," a serial written by St.
Louis cartoonist T. E. Tuttle(sp?), who drew a strip called "The Bungles."
The Puddles were based on the Bungles and featured a cast that included
Charlie Eggleston and a young Virginia Payne.  It was produced by legendary
historian Erik Barnouw, who was working for a NY-based ad agency at the time
that had P-and-G as a client.  After a successful year on the air (1932),
P-and-G came to the station wanting to take the show national.  The contract
with Tuttle stated that if the show were to go "national," that he would get
a big raise in his payment.  After a failed negotiation, the station decided
to drop the Puddles and create a new show--"Ma."  Many of the same actors
were retained and the rest is, as they say, history.

Meanwhile, after Ma left Cincinnati for Chicago, the station attempted to see
if lightning would strike twice.  They created "The Life of Mary
Sothern"(sic) in the fall of 1934, starring Linda Carlon as Mary.  The six
month run went well and things looked promising but Linda decided to leave
the station in early 1935 for New York.  The show resurfaced in October 1935
with Minabelle Abbott as Mary.  Scripts were written by Don Becker and the
show was directed by Rikel Kent.  Also in the cast were such eventual stars
as Jay Jostyn and Mary Jane Croft.  The show was a big [removed]
Minabelle suffered an apendicitis, so did "Mary" and a microphone was strung
into Minabelle's hospital room!   In late 1936, Becker moved to New York to
co-found TransAmerica syndication.  He brought the show to the Big Apple in
1937, where it continued for another year until Minabelle came home and, I
think, the show went on in syndication.

-Mike

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:29:22 -0400
From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Pepsi

Don Jensen wrote "

If Pepsi offered 12 oz., and Coke came in 7 oz bottles, then should it not
 have been "70 percent more for a nickel too?

Coke Cola came in 6 oz bottles, I sure of it because I drank 3 bottles with
my lunch for about 5 [removed] those day, working in construction , would
sweat it off by 4:30.

As I remember the Pepsi jungles, in the 1940's, it was "Pepsi Cola hit the
spot, 12 full onces that a lot twice as much for a nickel, nickel, nickel"

I have a "Counterspy" show from May 02/1950 that was sponsored by Pepsi Cola.
The jingle has change since the 40's to "Pepsi Cola Hits the Spot 2 full
glasses that a lot, Twice as much and better to. Pepsi Cola is the drink for
you, du, du, [removed] it delicious Pepsi cola"

In my opinion when Coke Cola went to larger bottles it change the taste.

Frank McGurn

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:58:45 -0400
From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Osadoj

Several people have refere to Oxydol as detergent It probaly was in the
50' and was until it was dicontinued, but in the begining

Oxydol was only a soap used for lundry and dishes. We din't have liquid
detergents in the 30', 40' and early 50's

I looked detergents up in the dictionary (Webster's) on the computer and
found the followin:

"The first detergent, or artificial soap, was produced in Germany during
World War I. In 1946, the first built detergent appeared, comprising a
/surfactant/(a surface-acting agent or soap) and a /builder/ (a chemical
that enhances the performance of the surfactant as well as rendering the
laundering process more effective in other ways). Pushed along by
economic prosperity and the development of relatively inexpensive
*washing machines* in the wake of World War II, detergent sales soared;
by 1953, they had surpassed soap sales in the United States."

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:02:27 -0400
From: "Bob C" <rmc44@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Attention Gene Autry fans

Got an e-mail from Oxford University Press today touting gifts
for Father's Day. This apparently isn't on sale,
[removed];ci=97
80195177466, but for fans of Gene Autry, it might
be just what you're looking for. Usual disclaimers apply.

Bob Cockrum

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:36:21 -0400
From: Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Ma Perkins and Soap

So much for Wikipedia! Who can you trust?  Jim Cox that's who!!!
 OK maybe Ma Perkins was the first really successful at marketing soap,
soap opera? :-)
Ed Kindred

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:36:58 -0400
From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR Organists

On Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 03:28 PM, Bob Slate wrote:

Most of us Old Time Radio enthusistists know who  the organists were
on "The Shadow" ( Rosa Rio), Chandu the Magician ( Korla Pandit),
and "I Love A Mystery" (Rex Corey). Who played the organ on "Tom Mix"

Harold Turner was the organist on the "Tom Mix" and probably filled in
on a lot of other shows originating in Chicago from 1930 to 1950. A
mid-1940s picture shows him to be a slender, dark-haired, bland-faced
man, similar to Arthur Lake of "Dagwood" fame.

Turner was equally talented on the piano keyboard and had his own radio
shows. In summer of 1934 he had a 15 minute musical show, "Harold
Turner, Pianist" on WGN at 4:15 pm CST.  In 1937 he had a similar show
with same name, also on WGN, this time at 4:30 pm CDT.

Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL
<[removed]>

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:05:43 -0400
From: Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Twice as much for a nickel too

I remember Coke as being in 6 oz bottles back during the 40's in which
case my favorite soft drink
was correct at twice as much for a nickel too. Minimal googling took me to
the following website.

[removed]
an excerpt from the above peddling website.

All are full and mint with bottle cap in 8 oz, 6 oz, and 16 oz Coca Cola
bottle sizes (unless otherwise noted

Ed Kindred

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:06:03 -0400
From: "Bill Hintz" <retiredwillie@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  How I Got Hooked On OTR

This thread is fading now, but I thought I would add my experience
as I really enjoyed reading all of the posts, especially the one from
Tom Barnett.

I began listening to the daytime soap operas like Stella Dallas while
building model airplanes in my pre-teen days (mid '40's).  At that time,
The Lone Ranger was my favorite and remember going into the closet
to look at the Atomic Bomb ring!  As time went on, I became interested
in numerous programs which aired during the day and at night.  My
favorite night time program was "The Big Story" (if anyone knows where
I can locate copies of these shows, please contact me off list).  Sunday
afternoons were always looked forward to as I was hooked on Jason
and The Golden Fleece, Gangbusters, Nick Carter, Jack Benny, and
Charlie McCarthy. There were others that I listened too faithfully such as
This Is Your FBI, The Whistler, Tales of The Texas Rangers, Hopalong
Cassidy, The Shadow, and my favorite western program Gunsmoke.  I
can remember where I was and what I was doing when the first Gunsmoke
show aired on April 26, 1952!

I agree totally with Tom Barnett in that OTR is really the "Theater of
the Mind" as it allows you to visualize in your mind the scene being
portrayed.
To this day I listen to OTR while building model airplanes (yep - still at
it!)
or when I just want relax and unwind.  Life was so much simpler then!
Well, I too have rambled on here.  Thanks for "listening".

Bill in Morro Bay, CA

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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:05:24 -0400
From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Coke vs. Pepsi

Don Jensen wrote:

The question here, though, is truth in [removed] Pepsi offered 12
oz., and Coke came in 7 oz bottles, then should it not have been "70 percent
more for a nickle too?"

When I was a kid you could still get Coke in the traditional small bottles.
As I recall they held [removed] oz., not 7 oz.  So Pepsi was rounding the size of
the Cole bottles down by a half ounce.

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