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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 451

Table Of Contents: 

	 OTR Chat
	 old time radio
	 Harry Bartell & Sherlock Holmes
	 Ross Martin Want
	       Misc.
	 The test message
	 Jack Webb's View of Life
	 Re: American Airlines "Music Till Dawn"
	 Diversity of Opinion
	 Mother Night, Kurt Vonnegut, Jack Webb
	 Who the Heck is Jim Henley
	 Phillip Marlowe Reviews

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 02:08 PST
From: lois@[removed] (Lois Culver)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Chat
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                                OTR CHAT
                             
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West Coasters, come in whenever you can, if this is early for you -- we'll
probably be there. Exchange tapes, talk about shows, talent, WWW sites, meet
people who worked in radio during the "golden days"....whatever is your
interest!

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Lois Culver

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 07:30:28 -0500
From: JCounts123@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed], X-[removed]@[removed],
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Subject: old time radio
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Please remove me from your mailing list.
Thank-you
Jeff Counts

I just do not have time to read all of this.
Thanks

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Date: 21 Nov 1996 03:34:34 GMT
From: kg@[removed] (KEN GREENWALD)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Harry Bartell & Sherlock Holmes
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hello, everyone!
Here's a story that might interest you:
Whne Harry Bartell came on board to introduce some of the Sherlock Holmes
tapes I was producing and directing, he told me this story on how he came to
be the announcer of the series during the 1945-1946 season ---
Harry was at the Mutual Broadcasting Systems offices taking care of business
and walking down the hallway when he noticed a lot of radio actors and
announcers standing around outside the doors to one of the broadcast studios.
He stopped, said hello to some of his friends and asked why they were
standing around. The answer was everyone was auditioning for the announcers
role on the upcoming Sherlock Holmes broadcasts for 1945-1946. He asked who
was holding the auditions. He was told it was Edna Best (Herbert Marshall's
wife - who was deeply into radio production at the time. Harry was a good
friend of Edna Best and he decided to just drop into the studio and say "Hi!"
Which he did. He walked in and waved to Edna. "Hi, Edna! Just passing
through, heard you were here and stopped by to say hello. See you later." He
turned to leave, when Edna opened the talk back and asked if he wanted to try
out for the role of announcer on the show. No, he just stopped by to say his
hellos. He turned again to leave. Edna stopped him and insisted that he at
least give it a try. "Very kind of you, Edna, but you have all these others
waiting. Besides, you know I'm an actor, not an announcer. Thanks anyway."
Edna persisted. He was there anyway. Why not give it a shot? Someone handed
him a script and, reluctantly, he read. The sponsors (Petrie Wines were in
the control booth listening) Harry thanked Edna and left. To his surprise,
Edna called him and told him he got the job. Harry was amazed, especially
since there were all those great announcers waiting to audition, [removed]; Art
Gilmore, Ken Carpenter, etc. Harry smiled when he told me that story. "Isn't
it amazing, Ken, how things happen in life?" 
Yes it is! And so, for an entire season of Rathbone/Bruce Sherlock Holmes
radio broadcasts, Harry Bartell, actor, became an announcer heard across
American by millions of people every week for 39 weeks!

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 08:05:30 -0600 (CST)
From: caldwell@[removed] (Wayne Caldwell)
To: otr@[removed] (otr mailing list)
Subject: Ross Martin Want
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I received an email from Kristin Sabo on my web. She has been asked by the
family of Ross Martin (Wild Wild West Fame) to find any appearence of Mr.
Martin in either Radio or TV.
She has a partial list of OTR shows he was in. If anyone can help her email her
at  ksabo@[removed]

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Date:          Thu, 21 Nov 1996 10:43:06 DST
From: "Pat premo" <PPREMO@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:       Misc.
Message-ID: <FF33A8A6908@[removed]>

Hello,
Am I still on this  group or not?  I have not received any messages 
in over a week and wondered if it is just me or if the group has gone 
silent?
I do have a question that I posted once but did not hear anything on:

This is not directly related to old time radio, but it does concern 
the big band era and they were featured on radio, so ...

Does anyone remember Beatrice Kay and the Kay-Jammers?  I am trying 
to find recordings of two songs she did:
     Why do they always say no when you know they mean yes all the 
           time
     The old piano roll blues
     
can anyone help?

Pat Premo    ppremo@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:33:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Kinsler <kinsler@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The test message
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Let he/she who hast never posted a message by mistake cast the first flame.
I've done worse, and I imagine everyone else has, too.  
                                     Mark Kinsler
                         

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:46:48 -0500
From: Matthew561@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Jack Webb's View of Life
Message-ID: <961121114645_229539394@[removed]>

How you feel about Jack Webb's projected world view as      
being either black or white kind of goes along with whether you      
think Javert is the villian of the piece or scrupled antagonist.     
   
Some digest posters have used terminology describing Webb/Friday    
that, to most, would fit the Javert persona to a tee.  On many    
levels I would concur; however, I have always found Javert to be a tragic,
   
heroic figure of classic statue.  
  
I agree the world Webb talked about was rigid and inflexible. I can't   
see Friday being friends with Novak because they were on opposite ends   
of the compass. However, they were both the same in how they related   
to their universes.  It was still all a black and white world, the   
only difference was what role the hero had been placed in.  I never   
saw Javert as a villian because he, in all things, conducted himself   
in a true moral code.  So did Patsy, it was just that he generally   
lived on the other side of those tracks.  Friday lived on the same 
side as Javert. 

The things is that Novak, Kelly, Friday and the TV Vet, saint or sinner,
were all Jack Webb.  Novak bent the law, Friday enforced it.  Sure, I
like the Novak better than the Friday, but at their essence, they were all 
the same guy.
 
I like a lot of the radio Dragnets and a few of the TV ones.  I love 
the Pat Novaks etc. because of those similes.  The plots were 
all pretty much cookie cutter and sometimes the resolution 
totally depended on the ending [removed] you have to admit 
those descriptive sentences are GREAT!!  Classic Radio Noir!!

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 15:07:08 -0800
From: "Donald S. Browne" <absee@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Cc: absee@[removed]
Subject: Re: American Airlines "Music Till Dawn"
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Gruff (rsmpf@[removed]) wrote, in part, on 9 October 1996:
>I used to listen to "Music Till Dawn" on KNX Radio in Los Angeles. It 
>was also on from KSL, but had a different "DJ."...The former (KNX) "DJ" 
>for the program, Mel [removed] me this history:" "Music 'Til Dawn" 
>started in 1953, and ran to about 1971. I did the show from '53 to '66 
>when I took a two year leave to sail the South Pacific, and George
>Walsh took over the show. When I returned in 1968, I did the show again 
>at WBBM in Chicago from Nov '68 until it went off the air." 

The New York Times Index reported that "Music 'Till Dawn" officially 
ended on WCBS, New York, at Midnight, January 1, 1970, when the All-News 
format was extended to overnight. WCBS was the flagship station of the 
CBS radio network. A program that WCBS would not "clear" essentially 
cancelled the program on the other CBS-AM owned and operated stations, as 
well as the CBS radio network. During this time, the CBS-FM owned and 
operated stations were carrying "The Young Sound."
Donald S. Browne, absee@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 14:46:22 -0500
From: "Treasure Mountain" <[removed]@[removed]>
To: "[removed]@[removed]" <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Diversity of Opinion
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On Wed, 20 Nov 96 23:09 CST, Dick Lupoff wrote:

>To get back to Jack Webb and Patrick Adkins -- did I miss something? Did
>someone on the Digest actually propose suppressing Webb's material because of
>its political content? Or could it be, maybe, that Patrick Adkins misread
>something that somebody wrote, that didn't really suggest that at all?

There are other ways to impede free speech than by outright suppression.  

There is such a thing as creating a climate in which "unpopular" ideas dare
not be expressed.  This thread degenerated into shrill, indignant
denunciation, name calling, scorn, and ad hominem attacks on Webb because of
the political
philosophy expressed in _Dragnet_.  That constitutes an attempt to bury an
idea not by rational debate, but by shouting it down.  

Another liberal ideal, in addition to free speech and diversity, is
tolerance--as in tolerance of opposing points of view.

Patrick H. Adkins

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:25:13 -0500
From: Bigkids@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Mother Night, Kurt Vonnegut, Jack Webb
Message-ID: <961121162511_1351953075@[removed]>

Not OTR. of course, but of possible interest is the new film version of Kurt
Vonnegut's novel "Mother Night." I haven't seen it yet but it's been getting
fine reviews and I certainly intend to do so [removed] I did ask Vonnegut when
he was on my KPFA show a few years ago, if Howard W. Campbell Jr., the chief
character in "MN," was an amalgam of Howard Brown and John W. Campbell Jr,
two of the leading science fiction magazine editors in the US during World
War II.

Brown, I believe, was and is slightly to the right of center politically.
Campbell was way, I say w-a-a-y off the right end of the scale. And Vonnegut
is vaguely populist-pacifist-left-of-center.

Vonnegut seemed surprised by the brown/Campbell question and said that he'd
had no such intention, but the way the names fit suggested that something of
the sort might have taken place in his subconscious.

Point here is a little author's note that I remember reading in "Mother
Night." Which, I must say, I read several decades ago . . . and can't lay my
hands on my copy at the moment . . . so I'll have to work from memory. The
author's note goes something like this:

"This is the only one of my books that I know the moral of, and it's this:
You'd better be careful of what you pretend to be, because sometimes it's
what you are."

Now, if Jack Webb had been a "mere" actor, playing a role, delivering lines
that someone else wrote, following the instructions of a director . . . huh,
that would be one thing. We don't hold him personally responsible for his
character's actions in "Sunset Boulevard" or in the Jeff Regan or Pat Novak
radio series.

But by the time he got to "Dragnet" (as several Digest posters have
mentioned) he had reached the level of "auteur." He controlled every aspect
of the show and personally performed many of them -- writing, producing,
directing, etc., as well as acting. He certainly had the power to set the
political tone of the show (and I'm sorry if that's an offensive term: it's
an accurate one, which is the point here). And I'm convinced that he *did*
set the political tone of the show.

As Jim Henley suggests, we can still enjoy Webb's work for its clear and
impressive virtues. But we don't have to swallow the bad stuff to appreciate
the good stuff. That's a kind of "whole-packagism" that we don't need and
that I for one don't want.

As for John Wayne . . . no, no, someone knock the pencil out of my hand,
quick!

Dick Lupoff

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 16:27:32 -0500
From: Bigkids@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Who the Heck is Jim Henley
Message-ID: <961121162730_1615898554@[removed]>

Sorry, John -- I must have combined your name with that of the late genius
Jim Henson, hence Jim Henley.

Almost a reinactment of the Howard Brown + John W. Campbell = Howard W.
Campbell phenomenon.

Apologies.

Bob Lupoff

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Date: 21 Nov 96 19:36:02 EST
From: "Norman G. Cox" <[removed]@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Phillip Marlowe Reviews
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Phillip Marlowe, Adventures of.  Review #5 of 15
Starring Gerald Mohr.  From the cassette lending library of North American Radio
Archives.  (NARA)

NARA Cassette 7232 Side A, 7/2/49.  The Dude From Manhattan

One of Phillip's friends, running a dude ranch south of San Bernardino, invites
him down for a short vacation.  When he arrives he finds out he's there to keep
an eye on everything.  Even with Marlowe hanging about, one of the guests checks
out a bit prematurely.  Running in and out of the stables and bunkhouses instead
of up and down his normal alleys and freeways, the whodunit is solved and he
heads for the more comfortable, exhaust filled air of Los Angeles which he
shouldn't have left in the first place.  The end tag tells us to tune in next
week to The Quiet Number.  I don't see it in our lending catalog so I guess we
will have to miss it.

NARA Cassette 7232, Side B, 7/16/49.  The Headless Peacock

Phillip is looking for a client's missing boyfriend.  Just before she hires him,
she stops off at her boyfriend's bungalow and gets mixed up with a natty little
man (read Peter Lorre) who is looking for a priceless, jeweled peacock (read
Maltese Falcon). Phillip follows some leads to a hat shop in Beverly Hills that
is fronting for a bookie joint.  (Bookies in Beverly Hills? Never!)  A typical
LA driver slips into the show and offers some choice comments about Phillip's
driving skills.  In this episode the case is wrapped up with the help of his
police detective friend Matthews (Larry Dobkin).

That's 30 for tonight
NGC
Norman Cox



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