Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #313
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 9/28/2004 4:18 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

    ------------------------------

                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 313
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      John Greig                            [ JayHick@[removed] ]
      Cartoon Voices in the News            [ seandd@[removed] ]
      MP3 on an iPod?                       [ Bruce Rosenberger <bmr3d@[removed]; ]
      Why so many "spooky" shows?           [ ".dan." <ddunfee@[removed]; ]
      Re: Fourth Chime                      [ Michael Shoshani <mshoshani@sbcglob ]
      ten buck radio                        [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      SKY CAPTAIN et al                     [ Christopher Werner <werner1@globalc ]
      Peggy Webber                          [ Jordan Young <jyoung@[removed]; ]

    ------------------------------

    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:23:11 -0400
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  John Greig

    My father, John Greig, was on The Collier Hour
    (aka Collier Radio Hour) on NBC in 1929.  I can only verify that one
    year as recorded in the Encyclopedia of American Radio, 1920 - 1960 by
    Luther F. Sies.  (His name is misspelled GRIEG.)  He played the role of
    Professor Lucifer G. Butts.  I am seeking 2 things about the Collier
    Hour, [removed],
    (1) any transcription of a broadcast that might include Professor Butts,
    and
    (2) any broadcast program with my father's name in it.  (According to
    the writeup in the book, the show was performed before a large live
    audience and "each member of the audience received an elaborate program
    for each broadcast".)

    I am also trying to find the connection to my father that is referenced
    on a photograph that I have.  The photograph is of Nathaniel Shilkret
    and the Mobiloil Concert Orchestra (approximately 50 musicians).  The
    microphone in the photo is identified as NBC.  The photo is not dated,
    but according to John Dunning's Encyclopedia, this orchestra performed
    from 1929 - 1932.  The inscription on the photo is as follows:

    To Jack Greig - our jovial sailor, Captain Jack
    "Sea Program"
    Mobiloil Concert Orchestra
    Cordially,
    Nathaniel Shilkret

    I would greatly appreciate any information you could obtain for me and I
    thank you in advance for your help.

    Sincerely,
    Marion K. Greig
    15 DuBois Street
    Darien, CT  06820
    mgreig@[removed].
    203-655-7236

    ------------------------------

    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:23:19 -0400
    From: seandd@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cartoon Voices in the News

    A great article on classic cartoon voices that mentions a whole bunch of OTR
    stars ran today on [removed]

    Everyone from Jessica Dragonette to Paul Frees to Mel Blanc is mentioned.

    Check it out,

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

    [removed]

    ------------------------------

    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:04:51 -0400
    From: Bruce Rosenberger <bmr3d@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  MP3 on an iPod?

    Anyone have experience with OTR MP3's on an iPod? Specs say 32 is lowest
    bit rate supported.

    Bruce Rosenberger
    [removed]
    [removed]

    ------------------------------

    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:05:07 -0400
    From: ".dan." <ddunfee@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Why so many "spooky" shows?

    "Spooky", as in all those radio shows we all can name which set the stage
    for fright and shock.  Could it have something to do with the historical
    context, WWII and Korea, which were a real life horror show in real time?
    If I recall correctly, there have never been so many such shows on tv, why
    not?  Were fulfilling the visual clues to pull it off that much more
    difficult, all the vampire etc. movies would argue against that point, or
    was it the social context thing again.  The Twilight Zone is a stand out
    example, but nothing like the numbers of such shows all over the place
    during otr.

                                   xv
                                    ic|xc

    ------------------------------

    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:05:36 -0400
    From: Michael Shoshani <mshoshani@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Fourth Chime

    Chris Chandler writes:

>     Fact is, other than that one D-Day example (on which
>     I  think you'll find the pitches are actually
>     B-D-G-G-G-G, not C-D-G), there are no other
>     circulating surviving recordings of the thing

    The pitch is D# - C - G#, in A=435.  I have the type
    of chime that was used to produce this, a Deagan No.
    400 four-plate chime, and the tones of the chime plates as measured on
    my tuning calibrator are D# - G# - C - D#.  How I know
    it's the same chime is, I played them along with the
    First Generation Radio Archives release and they were
    in the exact same pitch :)

    This, by the way, is the chime model pictured on Bill Harris' website,
    from WCSH in Portland, Maine.  Many stations seem to have had a 400;
    one is heard rung by the WTMJ Milwaukee announcer right before a 1931
    broadcast of Wendell Hall - which closed with the NBC chimes rung on a
    completely different model. NBC's early seven and five note chimes
    were rung on a  Deagan 200 Series chime, the type with the tubular
    aluminum resonators of varying lengths.
    These notes are G - C - E - G.

    Deagan also made the Model 20, which was
     C - F - A - C; film actually exists of this chime being rung by a
    network announcer in a 10 minute soundie called "Captain Henry's Show
    Boat". This chime was regularly heard from New York, probably the last
    year or so before the adoption of the mechanical Rangertone Chimes.

    I have the good fortune of living about 15 minutes away from the old
    Deagan factory, where an ex-Deagan master tuner maintains a mallet
    instrument repair shop.  He has rebuilt several sets of chimes for me,
    and has let me explore his museum and photocopy several old catalogues
    and price lists.  It's a fun obsession :)

    Michael Shoshani
    Chciago

    ------------------------------

    Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:30:00 -0400
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  ten buck radio

>     ...Radios for 10 bucks! That's what Joseph Horne Company's department store
>     in Pittsburgh, PA was selling. The radios were advertised in The Pittsburgh
>     Sun for $10 and up.

    Horne's was never cheap.  They finally closed down about ten years ago.  The
    old inflation calculator I use only goes to 2002, but ten bucks in 1920 was
    $[removed] in today's money.

    [removed]

    M Kinsler

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:45:03 -0400
    From: Christopher Werner <werner1@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  SKY CAPTAIN et al

    My good friend, Derek Tague mused on 9/21

>     Would somebody who's seen "Sky Captain" care to elaborate on the OTR
>     references. Since I rarely go to the movies, [snip] I'd like to know about
>     what to expect ahead of time.

    Well, that was the incentive I needed to justify viewing the film on 9/24.
    I'm glad I did and here is why:

    First of all, we all know that radio is the theater of the mind. Radio
    requires imagination, and because of it - everyone 'sees' a story
    differently. Ever since the silent version of George Melies' 'Trip to the
    Moon' aired in 1902, filmakers have used many special effects to illustrate
    what the imagination created. With Sky Captain, the cinematographer finally
    has achieved a new level of visual realization of the mind's eye.

    Ok, so I love Science Fiction but was not as familiar with the many
    Children's adventure programs devoted to the subject. Our resident Captain
    Midnight expert may have a different impression of the OTR connections when
    he sees the film. I did do a little research the night before, learning
    about the early history of Sci-Fi films and the specifics of Tom Corbett,
    Space Cadet whom seemed closest to a role model for Sky Captain. I'm glad I
    did.

    The general appearance of the picture reminded me of Max Fleisher's
    Superman films of the '40s. Subdued tones, careful lighting and limited
    contrast gives the whole thing a warm feeling. There are product
    placements. Wrigley Gum, Flash Gordon comics, and Pepto Bizmal are
    effectively displayed. The digital effects are tastefully done and are
    generally wonderful both artistically and technically. If you haven't heard
    yet, the acting for the film was done almost entirely in a green-screen
    environment so everything around the actor is pure digital. What does this
    mean? Whatever the cinematographer imagines, he can make appear. Enemy
    death gliders, similar to those on Stargate SG-1, but the wings *flap*;
    Metal monster soldiers similar to a tinplate toy - but 20 stories high
    tearing down half of New York city; a Curtis P-40 Warhawk that can retract
    the propeller and dive underwater; and dialog from Sir Laurence Olivier,
    who died in 1989, acting once again.

    OTR connections? Well, there is the dialog from the WOTW (previously
    mentioned). But the film is a period fantasy - so the real dates are a
    little off. The Sky Captain's home base looks almost identical to the Tom
    Corbet, Space Cadet base. The film is suppose to take place in the
    mid-1930s, but Tom Corbet didn't begin on radio until 1951/2. Flash Gordon
    and Buck Rogers were 1936/39 but they are referenced in the movie as if
    they existed for a few years already. One of the characters yells 'Shazam'.
    The raygun does a great job of melting the robots, but the hero can't seem
    to keep hold of it. The hero is rescued with the help of Angelina Jolie who
    appears as a female version of Nick Fury commanding a squadron of
    amphibious craft launched from aerial landing platforms. I think Nick Fury
    is suppose to be a 1940s hero, a contemporary of Captain America. When the
    trio of aviators suited up to fly the first time in the movie, I recognized
    the marketing potential for flight goggles just as they were in the 40s and
    50s. There are some amazing scenes that deserve a view, especially since
    most OTR folks are already familiar with the historical aspects of the time
    period. But no, there aren't any blatant OTR references (at least that my
    feeble mind could catch).

    I was surprised to recognize my favorite Persian comedian Omid Djalili -
    the hotel maintenance man from Whoppi - as a Mongul smuggler. I just about
    fell on the floor laughing.

    One other thing, part of the plot dwells on the age old question: "If I'm a
    photo journalist involved an exciting adventure, and I only have 2 more
    pictures on the roll of film, of what and when should I take a picture?"

    Go see it, but bring your leather flight jacket.

    Chris.

    ------------------------------

    Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:04:42 -0400
    From: Jordan Young <jyoung@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Peggy Webber
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain

    Spoke last night with OTR vet Peggy Webber, who's still actively
    involved in producing radio drama. (You may recall her as Ma Friday
    on "Dragnet," among her many credits). She wanted folks to know about
    her latest CART show, "The Man with Bogart's Face," at [removed] Valley
    College on Saturday, Oct. 30th (at 1:30 and 7:30 pm). The script is
    by Andrew Fenady with special material  by vet comedy writer Hal
    Kanter; the cast is headed by Rich Little, and includes William
    Windom, Marvin Kaplan, Samantha Eggar and JoAnne Worley. For info or
    reservations, call (818) 947-2623. FYI, I have no financial interest
    in this, but I have had the pleasure of working with Peggy, who
    produced a trilogy of my plays on radio a few years ago.

    Jordan R. Young

      *** This message was altered by the server, and may not appear ***
      ***                  as the sender intended.                   ***

    --------------------------------
    End of [removed] Digest V2004 Issue #313
    *********************************************

    Copyright [removed] Communications, York, PA; All Rights Reserved,
      including republication in any form.

    If you enjoy this list, please consider financially supporting it:
       [removed]

    For Help: [removed]@[removed]

    To Unsubscribe: [removed]@[removed]

    To Subscribe: [removed]@[removed]
      or see [removed]

    For Help with the Archive Server, send the command ARCHIVE HELP
      in the SUBJECT of a message to [removed]@[removed]

    To contact the listmaster, mail to listmaster@[removed]

    To Send Mail to the list, simply send to [removed]@[removed]