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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2001 : Issue 325
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Re: OTR for Kids [ GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@ ]
Local replacement for RS When Radio [ vigor16@[removed] ]
Bit Rate for burning audio [ "Doug Krile" <dkrile@[removed]; ]
Charles Correll the Younger sighting [ "Joe Salerno" <sergei01@[removed] ]
Paul McGrath? [ "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed] ]
... While a Chesterfield Burns ... [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
HEC RAMSEY [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
Wild Bill Hickok [ Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed]; ]
My posting on Digest V2001 #324 [ "Edward Loyer" <Edward_Loyer@umich. ]
The Blue Coal Ring Mystery [ "[removed]" <swells@[removed]; ]
Today in Radio History 10/5 [ Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed]; ]
Music Box Theatre in Hollywood [ khovard@[removed] ]
Convention Updates [ JayHick@[removed] ]
Re: Curse of Tobacco? [ "Kierniesky, Nicholas C." <kiernies ]
Re: Recurring themes [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
...Look, and Listen [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
Radio vs TV [ "Peter Vollmann" <vollmann@hawaiian ]
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 10:29:40 -0400
From: GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: OTR for Kids
Here's an obscure one: 1949's JUMP-JUMP OF
HOLIDAY HOUSE.
While by no means a great show (it never had a
chance to become one), it's certainly an acceptable
program for the pre-school set.
A pocket-sized and red-garbed "Jump-Jump" doll,
issued as a premium for the series, gazes down at me
from a tape shelf as I type this. He (?) stares down
from a "window" in the original tiny cardboard mailer,
printed to look like a little house.
George Wagner
GWAGNEROLDTIMERADIO@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:38:05 -0400
From: vigor16@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Local replacement for RS When Radio Was?
Hey folks:
We just began to receive an OTR anthology program in the time slot that
use to feature When radio was? The program is called "Radio Revisited".
I haven't listened to it yet. Does anybody know anything about this
program. I understand that it is more oriented around nostalgia from my
friend. Where does it come from, if any one knows? Thanks Deric M.
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:38:19 -0400
From: "Doug Krile" <dkrile@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Bit Rate for burning audio
know this has come up before, so I hope some of the technically minded
among you don't mind a quick reply. How do I convert programs encoded in a
22 khz file to something that will burn to an audio CD? Every time I try
it, the CD plays at very fast speed. I've tried running it through an audio
editor and exporting to 44,[removed] it doesn't seem to make a difference.
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:38:36 -0400
From: "Joe Salerno" <sergei01@[removed];
To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Charles Correll the Younger sighting
I was looking at the Stargate SG-1 DVD set of all the season one episodes,
noticed that the episode "The Nox" was directed by Charles Correll. I
haven't seen the rest of the set yet, other eps may also have been directed
by him.
Joe Salerno
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:38:52 -0400
From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Paul McGrath?
Paul McGrath is being discussed on the Digest.
I've heard a recording of an episode on The Shadow titled "The Face",
probable broadcast date 21 Sept. 1947. The story was about a once-handsome
actor whose badly burned/disfigured face has made him violently insane. I
was very impressed with the speaking voice and performance of the man
playing the actor. He was not credited at the end of the broadcast.
I think he *may* have been Paul McGrath.
Would anyone know the name of the actor playing the actor in that
broadcast of The Shadow?
-- Phil Chavin
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:39:32 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: ... While a Chesterfield Burns ...
D. Bacca observes,
While listening to a cigarette commercial during one of my favorite
shows, it occurred to me
that given modern societies present stance on the subject, and regardless
of anything else, it would be highly unlikely that otr could hope to
expand beyond it`s present level of popularity.
Well ... two points. One is that not all the old shows were sponsored by
cigarettes. One of the shows that passes the test of time best is the
Phil Harris-Alice Faye show, first sponsored by Fitch Shampoo (and in
those days called The Fitch Bandwagon) and then by Rexall. The
Adventures of Sam Spade by Wildroot Cream Oil. The Lone Ranger was
sponsored by General Mills, usually, but not exclusively, by Cheerios.
The [removed] In Peace and War was sponsored by Lava soap. In short, there
were enough different types of sponsor so that one can get used to the
idea of OTr without hitting any cigarette ads.
Second, if we extend OTR into OSR, then, presuming that a good interest
in OSR develops, naturally, the sponsors would be among available
companies that advertise anywhere. It would be silly to resume that
anyone would try to find a way to legitimize cigarette ads.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:40:48 -0400
From: PURKASZ@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: HEC RAMSEY
One of my early TV heroes was Paladin. I was 17 years old when he
appeared on Friday nights on my B&W TV set.
His manner with women, his dealing with injustice, his wrath with
incompetence and yes, that voice. The voice that commanded with subtle
modulation and resonance.
He was my hero.
Time passed, I got into the movies in '69 with the young Steven
Spielberg, did one of his first TV shows, called, "The Psychiatrist" then
some looping for "Jaws" and had walk on privileges at Universal studios.
One afternoon, turning a corner at Stage 28, I almost ran into a huge
hulk of man in western wardrobe. We mumbled our mutual excuses and I was
suddenly looking into the eyes of PALADIN.
The weather-worn face of Richard Boone right in front of me.
I longed for some clever dialogue and I saw he too was struggling for
some bit of small talk but we both stared for a minute, then danced aside, on
to our mutual destinations.
Took my breath away actually, then I remembered what he had said to
somebody on the lot.
Hec Ramsey WAS [removed] fatter!!
Liked that man.
His work in "Hombre" with Paul Newman is still up there with the great
villains on screen.
I have all the TV shows that Colombia released some time ago and we watch
them around here sometime when we want some TV with heart and soul instead of
just information.
<A HREF="[removed],+Michael+C.">Michael
C. Gwynne</A>
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:41:33 -0400
From: Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Wild Bill Hickok
I have been reviewing my collection of Wild Bill Hickok programs and am
hoping that someone on the list can answer a few questions.
Most of the shows are the originals sponsored by Kellogg's (Rice
Krispies, Sugar Corn Pops, Pep Wheat Flakes), but some are a syndicated
version with the commercials removed and new opening and closing
comments by Charlie Lyon the regular announcer. In the closing they are
sometimes credited as a "Globe Sound Presentation". When and why were
they produced in this way, and who is "Globe Sound"?
The regular shows are credited as a David (Hire or Hyer) Production. Who
was, and how is his last name spelled?
I have noted that as the series progressed more and more actors were
doing double duty by playing several characters within each episode.
Were actors paid more for playing multiple parts, or were they paid on a
per show basis?
One actor, Jack Moyles, appears many more than any other actor, mostly
in the bit part roles. Did some programs have contracts with certain
character actors?
On one of the shows a young actress, Jill Oppenheim appears, and in John
Dunning's encyclopedia she is only listed as playing one of Jack's
children on "One Man's Family". Does anyone know if Miss Oppenheim, is
the same actress who would later be known as Jill St. John, whose real
name happens to be Jill Oppenheim? The Internet Movie Database, does not
have the answer to this question.
Any help is greatly appreciated,
Gerry Wright
ZoneZebra Productions
San Francisco
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:45:55 -0400
From: "Edward Loyer" <Edward_Loyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: My posting on Digest V2001 #324
After pressing the enter key sending my comments to the Digest related to the
opening for Grand Central Station, I realized that the words could be read
with
a horrible subtext in the shadow of the tragic events of September 11. I have
been troubled by my poor judgement and want to assure readers that I was
thinking of another time and place before our world so dramatically changed
three weeks ago. Ed Loyer
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:46:21 -0400
From: "[removed]" <swells@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The Blue Coal Ring Mystery
Stephen:
I read your post and I must say that it brought a smile to my face.
Maybe that would be good source material for a script ! Ahh, on second
thought, as I take "pen in hand", I would probably face a flurry of lawsuits
from everyone claiming copyright before I even wrote it. Do you think
Webster's would sue for me using the English language? Maybe I could write
it in "gibberish," that would fool them. No one could tell what the show was
about, and then think of the creative possibilities of that. We could make
up a whole series of shows that would attempt to discover what the original
shows were about. The possibilities are endless!!
Shawn
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:46:26 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in Radio History 10/5
From Today's Alamanac --
In 1921, baseball's World Series was broadcast on radio for the first
time.
In 1925, WSM-AM Radio in Nashville, Tennessee, signed on the air.
Joe
--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:47:13 -0400
From: khovard@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Music Box Theatre in Hollywood
Was the Music Box Theatre on Hollywood Blvd. or on Vine Street?
Gracias,
Howard Blue
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:48:22 -0400
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Convention Updates
Max Schmid will not be doing a panel on Jean Shepard. Instead Stuart Hample,
editor of "all the sincerity in [removed] Selections from the Writings
of Radio's Legendary Comedian, FRED ALLEN will give a talk about Fred Allen
and his new book on Friday at 1:15. The book will be on sale at the
convention. Arthur Anderson will be directing Frontier Gentleman on
Saturday, not the Lights Out re-creation. Frank Bresee, Bob Mott and Peggy
Webber will not be coming. All other guests advertised are still coming
including Pat Hosley.
You can get information on the Friends of Old-time Radio Convention on our
Web Site:
FOTR Web site: [removed] (all lower case)
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:48:58 -0400
From: "Kierniesky, Nicholas C." <kiernies@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Curse of Tobacco?
D. Bacca comments:
While listening to a
cigarette commercial during one of my favorite shows, it occured to me
that given modern societies present stance on the subject, and
regardless of anything else, it would be highly unlikely that otr could
hope to expand beyond it`s present level of popularity. This of course
would be most unfortunate. I`d be interested to know other folks
opinion
on this.
IMO, old cirgarette commericals have little to do with the growth or
hinderance of OTR in the 21 century. Given the level of sophistication
of our culture, among teenagers and adults, smokers or not,these old
ads, in many cases are down right amusing and silly, or very interesting
from a historical point of view. At some point, as many Jack Benny
listeners know, they become repetitive and boring at the beginning of
the show, and amusing and funny incorporated into the middle of the
show. If kids today can appreciate the time frame of these ads, a
good educational question to ask them is what is different today
compared to 50 years ago about commercial advertising and the impact of
knowledge on health in the culture. In many ways, OTR show us the
changes in many aspects of culture over decades, and this can be
educational. OTR, today, is not just entertainment. I doubt that
anybody would pick up a cigarettee today because of what Speedy Riggs
says about Lucky Strike's "fine" tobacco. Just ask a kid what Speedy
probably died from!
-Nik Kierniesky
Gettysburg
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 19:49:25 -0400
From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Recurring themes
Someone mentioned to me once how some television
programs had become so formulaic, using recurring
themes over and over again. It got me to thinking
whether or not the same had happened regarding OTR
programs.
Recently, a few of the members of this list mentioned that
the story of finding a baby and later having to return it had
been done before. I believe the example given was when
this happened on "The Great Gildersleeve."
The only recurring themes I can think of is that of blaming the
star of the show for being 'stingy' or 'cheap'. The most notable
examples are on "The Jack Benny Show" and "The Bob Hope
Show". Their co stars were always using this theme as part
of the night's program.
On many of the mystery shows, there was a villain ([removed] Prof.
Moriarty on "Sherlock Holmes") who returned from time to time
to stir things up.
Can anyone out there think of others?
BTW, what was Prof. Moriarty's full name? Didn't he and Holmes
get into a fight and fall off of a cliff (or was it a waterfall in
Africa)?
Happy listening!
Kenneth Clarke
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Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:11:31 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: ...Look, and Listen
Conrad Binyon asks,
I always wondered why those who read telegrams out loud said "STOP?"
What "STOP" stood for of course was the end of the sentence signified in
text writing by the period punctuation mark. (Didn't they have a
telegraphic symbol for the period?)
I remember that when we received telegrams, the "stop" was included. I
presume that a "stop" was included rather than a punctuation mark to
avoid any ambiguity. At some point, Western Union started telephoning
recipients and reading the telegrams to them. (They'd send or deliver
the hard copy if someone wanted it.)
One of the old jokes of the OTR period was someone would get a telegram
called in. The operator reading the telegram would also include the
"stops," and the gag would go something like,
Operator: "Shipment arrived this morning STOP No damage found STOP Could
use another twenty units STOP ...."
Recipient (interrupting): "Young man, I don't know what you are doing,
but please cut it out while she's reading my telegram."
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 10:38:50 -0400
From: "Peter Vollmann" <vollmann@[removed];
To: "[removed] Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Radio vs TV
You can't change the times. I was living in Germany at the time TV was
introdiced in the fifties. At that time only public service stations were
permitted in both mediums, no private enterprise at all. So there was no
commercial pressure on the stations. But, alas, radio drama quickly vanished
with the introduction of TV. For a while it was relegated to odd hours,
mostly repeats, then disaapeared altogether as a "music, news and
commentary" format was adopted.
Just like the introduction of sound at the movies, the introduction of a
picture accompanying the sound all but killed radio as we knew it then.
>From what I remember the same thing happened in England. I used to listen to
radio dramas of the BBC thru the British Forces Network, they ceased at the
same time. For the entertainment of the soldiers stationed overseas the
"Armed Forces Radio and Television Service" started TV stations to augment
their radio broadcasts. The Frencj did the same, but I don't know about the
British.
Peter from Hawaii
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