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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 440


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 re: Mark Kinsler's contemplation
	 Introduction
	 Re: Live ballroom broadcasts
	 The Bickersons
	 Hallmark Hall Of Fame
	 missing shows found/log of VIC & SADE needed!
	 The LR & T
	 Who is Giselle?
	 Re: Der Bingle
	 New member
	 OTR Station List
	 [removed] Digest V95 #437
	 NBC/Chicago studios in 1930
	 From out of the past

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Date: 09 Dec 1995 09:54 GMT
From: Henry Brugsch <henry@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: 
Subject: re: Mark Kinsler's contemplation
Message-ID: <12091995095445um@[removed]>

I also grew up nurtured on otr.
I felt the great days were the early/late '50s.
There was a period just before the end when it (a lot of it) was pretty
bad. Then, at the end a last burst of creativity.
At least, that's how I remember it.
Then, the whole thing died in the early '60s.
Yet, in Britain, and I believe in South Africa, and Australia, there
continued to be a nurturing of radio acting. Radio drama was allowed to
run, and over here it still is.
Much of it's great, some of it's mundane, the rest is wholesale rubbish.
Probably the same kind of spread as back in them good old days.
In fact, I am inclined to think that the good old days weren't quite as
good as we remember them.
I remember being laid up in bed with a bug and off school, and the
endless parade of 15 minute soaps on CBS.
These were the only thing on to listen to from 11 o'clock, onward.
The morning was either Don Mclean's Breakfast Club, or Arthur Godfrey.
Take your pick. My personal memories of this plodding material are such
that I only have one example, may be 2 of the latter in my collection.
None of the former.
I realize this was then, and thus, now still is my opinion, and mine
alone. There are those here who remember the above mentioned with
fondness, and relish.
But, soaps, in any language are still soaps.
The Archers here continue to survive, and get churned out like the
butter from Home Farm.
But, the quality of writing and everything else make one cringe.
At least, they make me cringe. And yet, they continue to be on, and I
tend to listen with morbid fascination just to find out how more
obnoxious the characters can get before I hit the off button.
Actually, now I think of it, Radio 4 is a good example of how radio once
was, and could have still been in other countries.
Before anyone says anything, I am a yank, and still keep my passport,
even though I live here, now.
It could be that here we are experiencing much of what happened to radio
in the '60s back in the States.
Here, the BBC are becoming like so much else around here victims of
market forces.
I saw that recently, they (the BBC) sold off all of their transmitters.
By next April, they will be in the hands of someone else, and they will
control the output (whoever they are)
A lot of production over here is being farmed out.
A drama will end with "produced by Bight back productions." That's on
the level. And it was a good production, too.
But seems like the BBC are stepping back from being major league
players, retrenching, changing their stance.
Hope I am wrong, but I predict conservatively that radio drama will be
finished in the UK given current trends by 2000.
Only time will tell.
-----
   Henry Brugsch
   aka hbj elsewhere, CIS: [removed]@[removed], hbj@[removed]
Give me an alias long enough and I'll mail the world

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 95 09:19:16 -0400
From: "DONALD L. TAYLOR" <lebaron@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Introduction
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I have been collecting antique radios from the 1920's and 30's for about 10 
years. My oldest radio is a Westinghouse Radiola III but theone I value the 
mot is a Wright Super 5 which few, if any, of you will have heard of. It 
was made in Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada, which is about 25 miles from 
where I live. 50 to 60 of them were made in 1926. A fire in the building 
ended production and I know of only two besdies mine that have survived. 
One of these is in poor condition and has been modified. I have about 25 
working radios and my main interest is in wood cabinet radios and ham radio 
equipment from the late 20's to the 50's. I am not a technician but I have 
done a bit of trouble shooting and repair. My knowledge is limited to basic 
electric theory and I have found a couple of repair books very helpful
May God bless you richly
Donald L. Taylor (Proverbs 3:5,6)
lebaron@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 09 Dec 95 06:26:00 -0400
From: [removed]@[removed] (TED SCHOBER)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Live ballroom broadcasts
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

We have started some new time old time radio in Philadelphia.
WJZ 640 AM is now doing live ballroom shows.  The first one came off 
well on December 2 from the Stardust Ballroom in Pennsauken, NJ.
It was a live cover to cover broadcast, carried by remote pickup radio 
of the Russ Patrick 17 piece band with an audience of 
about 400 dancers on the floor.
WJZ will be running another on New Years Eve for those who wish to pick 
it up on air.


Ted

 * 1st [removed] #3746 * Adjustable devices are always in constant need of adjustment

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:07:25 -0500
From: greggc@[removed] (GREGORY C. COLAN)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: The Bickersons
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Does anyone have any info on a radio program titled "The Bickersons" w/Don
Ameche & Florence Henderson? 
 
A local radio station used to play bits and pieces of it years ago and i
remember that i couldn't stop laughing. 
 
thanks. 
-- 
 
gregg 
greggc@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 09 Dec 1995 11:26:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSEXTON@[removed]
To: OTR@[removed]
Subject: Hallmark Hall Of Fame
Message-id: <01HYLOACTJCU91VXI5@[removed]>

   I can barely remember hearing an adaptation of Rudyard Kipling's famous
novel "Kim" on what I think was the Hallmark Hall Of Fame in the 1950's
   Can anyone enlighted about the episode and whether it is available
anywhere?
   Thanks, John Sexton (JSEXTON@[removed])

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 12:14:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Randy Minnehan <rminneha@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: missing shows found/log of VIC & SADE needed!
Message-ID: <[removed]@acme>

Hello [removed]

   A few shows of the batch of transcription discs I recently uncovered
are starting to surface.  This is a slow process, so it will take time to
release this material.

   A least one of the "missing" LUM & ABNER dates has been found, a show
from 03-13-44.

   A show not listed in Hickerson's book has been found, HOUSE OF MYSTERY,
a 30 minute NBC shows sponcered by Post Toasties and directed towards
children. Hickerson lists another show also called HOUSE OF MYSTERY
sponcered by General Foods, and I have a few of these, but what I
uncovered is a completely different show.  Anyone have info on this? The
HOUSE OF MYSTERY show I have is a halloween show from 10-27-45, and also
another full show from 10-13-45.  Even as a kids show it is interesting,
although a bit winded in their talk of Post Toasties.

   Anyone out there quiz show/game show nuts?  I have a few QUICK AS A
FLASH shows from 09-45, but unfortunately only 15 minutes (one disc side)
of these 30 minute shows. Many other game/quiz shows yet to come include
FRESH UP WITH SEVEN UP, QUEEN FOR A DAY and BUY A JINGLE.  More on these
later. Anyone hear of KROGER FUN-TIME FROLIC before?  I have one 15 minute
show (complete) from 06-29-50.

   I have many, many show dates of VIC & [removed] I need to find out if any
of these shows are "missing" dates from those commonly cirulated.  Does
anyone have a log they can e-mail me, or, I can e-mail a list of the dates
I've found to you if it's easier for you to look them up. Can anyone help?

   More info later as shows are uncovered.  I feel like a treasure hunter
who just found a loaded shipwreak!  Yipppppeeee!

--------------------------------------------------
|Randy Minnehan - rminneha@[removed]|
--------------------------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 10:04:51 -0800 (PST)
From: roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The LR & T
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I enjoyed the post about the research on the origins of
Tonto and his language. We have a grand tradition of
ignorance in these matters.
Walter Winchell was fond of word play and had code in
his column that his faithful readers could translate
to: "sleeping with" "Cheating on" etc.
On his Sunday news broadcast he would often include
a kicker story which would use a little Yiddish to
create a double meaning. In New York the evening
rebroadcast would edit out the story but in the rest
of the country it would air unaltered. The audience
just wouldn't get it.
On an early TV show for kids in a Hispanic area the
anglo station manager wondered why the character Senior
Cajones always got a big laugh. Eventually he found out
why.
I imagine someone has done a doctoral dissertation on
how to read the "stardates" on Startrek.
Going back to the Lone Ranger I recall the long joke
about the LR and T being surrounded by Indians and the
LR saying that it looked like the end with T responding
with "what you mean by "us" White Eyes?".

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Date: 	Sat, 09 Dec 1995 14:44:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dave Spiceland <spicelandrd@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Cc: spicelandrd <spicelandrd@[removed]>
Subject: Who is Giselle?
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>

In an earlier OTR post:

From: Kubelski@[removed]

>My view on the show was that it was a solid "B."  Cutting the clips so
>tightly and especially breaking up the "Getting To Know You" number with
>McKenzie was criminal.  Of course, if I were editing the show, I probably
>would have left that out altogether because nobody remembers Giselle 
>anymore, so I suppose I should credit the producer for including it in 
>the first place.

	I've always [removed] was [removed]

Dave Spiceland, [removed]
Appalachian State University
Boone, North Carolina
SpicelandRD@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 05:34:05 +0900 (JST)
From: rwaite@[removed] (Roy Waite)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Der Bingle
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hello, everyone, from Tokyo

Marty Tabnik wrote:

>wanna guess
>        What "OTR FIRST" belongs to Der Bingle.
>HINT: He really was that lazy. <g>


Marty, I think that's an easy one, if  I'm right.  Der Bingle was the first
radio performer to insist on transcribing his program so he could play golf.
Am I right?  I believe ABC was the only, (at that time) and first network,
to broadcast transcribed programs.

BTW, a couple of months ago while visiting the States I watched on the
Lifetime channel the last, and very rare intereview of Bing Crosby, by
Babara Walters. I suppose many or most of you saw it, but I just wanted to
comment on how interesting it was, for anyone who has not seen it.  I would
imagine that it is available for sale there in the States somewhere.  Had I
had access to a VCR I certainly would have made a copy.

No doubt, because I live in Japan, where cable and satellite TV is almost
non-existent I am missing a lot of OTR-related stuff.  But thanks to good
friends, most notably, Ken Piletic of Streamwood, IL, (an old ham buddy from
my home state) I can still get some of these things.

Please excuse me for putting this personal note in here.  Thanks to all for
the very interesting postings.  These really make my day!

Roy Waite, 7J1AAK
Tokyo, Japan

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 15:55:33 -0500
From: ALFLOR@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: New member
Message-ID: <951209155532_49356782@[removed]>

Hello everyone.  I'm a new member of this OTR group.  I've loved radio since
my childhood when my afternoons were dominated by the likes of Capt. Midnight
and Jack Armstrong, and my evenings were centered around such shows as "Lux
Radio Theater,"  "Suspense," and "Jack Benny.

Later, as a youngster in the 1940's and early l950's I sat in the audiences
of virtually every radio and early TV show that was broadcast from NYC.  I
was spellbound as the actors stepped up to the microphones and emoted, and
the sound effects man made the doors slam and the pistols shoot.  It was the
best entertainment a kid could hope for -- and it was all free!

Today I massage my memories with a few hundred tapes of the old shows.  I
particularly enjoy them when I'm stuck in city traffic or traveling along a
boring turnpike.

Just so you know, I'm also a fanatic of Al Jolson (and belong to the
International Al Jolson Society), the 1939 World's Fair (World's Fair
Collectors Society), the Civil War (The Civil War Trust) and old time movies
(including the silent ones).

Also, from those childhood radio days I saved and then collected the
admission tickets to those shows.  I have the tickets to 350 different radio
and TV shows dating from 1947 to around 1952.  Mostly New York, but also from
Hollywood, Chicago and other places.  If anybody else out there is a
collector drop me an email note, maybe we can set up some trades.

Regards to all,    Alan Florin  -   ALFLOR@[removed] or Alflor@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 09 Dec 95 16:53
From: "bill harris" <billhar@[removed]>
To: "otr digest" <otr@[removed]>
Subject: OTR Station List
Message-Id: <m0tOXJg-000YLHC@[removed]>

If those of you who have information on radio stations (AM or FM) which
are playing OTR and/or Big Band format will e-mail me with the info, I 
will compile a list and post it here on the OTR digest. Please list the 
call letters, frequency, transmitter power (if known), city/state, and 
time of OTR broadcast. I think this would be better than having it come 
into the digest by many single postings.

Bill Harris
billhar@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 08 Dec 95 07:48:45 EST
From: TBARNETT@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: [removed] Digest V95 #437
Message-Id: <m0tO2EN-000YICC@[removed]>

 ********************** Reply to note of 12/08/95 04:17 ***********************
From:    Tom Barnett

Subject: [removed] Digest V95 #437

The question was asked why don't Jack Benny Television shows air in reruns
today. Here are my thoughts. . . .

In one respect it should, it is not as dated as a Laugh-In is. (If you
didn't know what was in the news that week - Laugh In doesn't make much sense)
However, Jack Benny (as in answer to "why not Nick at Nite") doesn't wear
as well as I Love Lucy, Dick Van Dyke, The Monkees, etc. For two reasons.


1.   Benny humor and programs required a knowledge of the characters in
     order to understand the humor. You needed to know some things like
     he was cheap, etc. Also a lot of characters made spontaneous appearances
     on his show from the radio program. Not many people today who aren't
     in the  know can follow that.

2.   The pace of the humor and Jack's character was very slow, well timed,
     and crafted prenant pauses. Today's veiwer,for the most part, grows
     impatient with this -- and to be honest we all think Jack on TV was great
     but we are all in tune with the Benny character. To put this show on in
     front of todays "30 seconds of concentration" generation and ask them
     to sit still and concentrate on the characterizations, is difficult
     to say the least.

Dick Van Dyke and I Love Lucy you can watch any episode at any time and of
any age and, with very little thought and a lot of entertainment the show
draws you in. Benny does to -- but to slightly different folks.

Tom Barnett
EDS/VDTO Finance and Personnel Systems Support
(810)986-0389 (8-226) Internet:TBARNETT@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 95 17:40 CST
From: richsam@[removed] (Rich Samuels)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: NBC/Chicago studios in 1930
Message-Id: <v01510100acef850d0c83@[[removed]]>

Visitors to my website ([removed]~[removed]) can now take a
virtual tour of NBC's state-of-the art studios in Chicago's Merchandise
Mart as they appeared at the time of their opening in 1930. This was the
home of Fibber McGee and Molly, Amos and Andy, the First Nighter, the
Carnation Contented Hour---plus many other classic shows (including soaps)
too numerous to mention. You can access many unpublished photos and read
text based on material direct from NBC's archives. Eventually you'll be
able to follow this facility's evolution from its opening in 1930 to its
closing in 1989. My site is under continuous development. But there's much
there already that OTR fans will find interesting.

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 21:52:17 -0500
From: Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: From out of the past
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

As a supplement to Dr. Benson's article concerning the researches of Dr.
Martha Kendal is this information from "Who Was That Masked Man" by David
Rothel. It was related to Mr. Rothel by Jim Jewell, the original director
of The Lone Ranger.

According to Mr. Jewell Camp Kee Mo Sah Bee was established by his
father-in-law, Charles Yeager in 1911 at Mullet Lake, Michigan. There was
a place nearby called Cross Village which was either a mission school or a
reservation. In the language of the Cross Village Indians kemo sabe meant
"trusty scout'. Tonto meant "wild one" but Jewell liked the sound of the
word so he introduced it to the show. The book gives no indication of which
tribe lived at Cross Village. The book also contains a photograph of
Camp Kee-mo Sah-bee dated 1919.

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