Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #106
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Date: 3/19/2002 10:03 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 106
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Lone Ranger Lunch Box                 [ "William Harper" <whhsa@[removed] ]
      Mama Bloom's Brood                    [ DanHaefele@[removed] ]
      Re: Pat Weaver on "Town Hall Tonight  [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Great Gildersleeve question           [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
      Archie Shows                          [ "gary hagan" <grhagan@[removed]; ]
      Tiner, Tiger, Burning Bright ...      [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Karloff in _Arsenic and Old Lace_     [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      RE: RADIO REVIEWS IN VARIETY          [ Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@doityours ]
      AFRS                                  [ "Gary Yoggy" <yoggy@[removed]; ]
      Hal Stone                             [ Kubelski@[removed] ]
      The Archie Tapes in the LOC vaults.   [ gad4@[removed] ]
      Yiddish OTR                           [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
      sam spade cast list "THE DICK FOLEY   [ Chet <cien@[removed]; ]
      Henry and Morey: Local or Network?    [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
      The Nation's Station Turns 80         [ TallPaulK@[removed] ]
      Lost Programs                         [ Musiciantoo47@[removed] ]
      The Story Lady                        [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:03:02 -0500
    From: "William Harper" <whhsa@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Lone Ranger Lunch Box

    Dear Lone Ranger Fans;
    If the General Mills contact mentioned is from General Mills it is a good
    deal!  You must order two sets.  If you do you get four boxes of Cheerios
    and the two lunch boxes.  Each set is complete with even a cut-out Lone
    Ranger mask.  The cost for the two sets is $[removed] plus postage which makes
    the total $[removed] (give ot take a penny). I do not have the figures before
    me.  I love the Lunch Boxes.  Gave sets to my children and friends.  I have
    ordered another 2 sets as gifts.  Great fun!  Plus love those Cheerios.
    Manituwah,
    Bill
    PS I do still eat shredded wheat!

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:44:31 -0500
    From: DanHaefele@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Mama Bloom's Brood
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    Elizabeth mentioned in her March 17 posting the "usual suspects" she believes
    were in the cast of Mama Bloom's Brood.  I know that Lou Merrill was featured
    as Papa Bloom.  His widow, Celeste Rush, told me he was on the show and after
    her passing SPERDVAC received a few transcriptions of the syndicated series
    from their family.  They're in SPERDVAC's library, for those who might enjoy
    the programs.

    Dan Haefele
    DanHaefele@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:34:43 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Re:  Pat Weaver on "Town Hall Tonight"

    On 3/18/02 12:25 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     The AP piece suggests he was indeed in radio at the
>     time, but in Los Angeles rather than New York. Anyone able to shed
>     conclusive light on this matter? Would this have been a different Pat
>     Weaver?

    Sylvester "Pat" Weaver was the agency supervisor for "Town Hall Tonight"
    from 1935 until 1937, working out of Young and Rubicam's New York office.
    His job was to oversee the writing of the advertising continuity for
    Bristol-Meyers, and to act in the role of middleman between Allen, the
    sponsor, the agency, and NBC.

    Allen actually got along with Weaver better than most of his agency
    producers, mainly because Weaver stayed out of his way and tried to keep
    Janet MacRorie and her Soulless Minions of Orthodoxy off his back.
    Weaver, in turn, spoke quite fondly of Allen in the 1956 "Biography in
    Sound" tribute.  Weaver's tenure with the program marked the peak of
    Allen's radio career, and was probably the only period where Allen was
    really happy with what he was doing on the air.

    I'm a bit surprised none of Weaver's obituaries I've seen made any
    mention of his Town Hall years, because Weaver himself clearly considered
    his time with Allen one of the highlights of his pre-NBC career.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:34:04 -0500
    From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Great Gildersleeve question

    The audition for The Great Gildersleeve was sponsored by Johnson's Wax.
    Why didn't they remain as sponsor instead of Kraft? Just wondering.

    ERic Cooper

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:42:52 -0500
    From: "gary hagan" <grhagan@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Archie Shows

    Concerning all the interest generated on the Archie Show if my grandson is
    any indication of the young audience out there that would latch on to OTR
    through release of any cd's or tapes of the shows it would be a hit.  He is
    only 10 years old but he reads Archie comics regularly and he listens to my
    Archie tapes with glee!  After seeing Hal at a REPS meeting in Seattle I
    know he is missing a bet by not jumping on this, even with personal
    appearances like the one in Seattle.  He is a very interesting and
    entertaining guy and even though this is a different world than the "old
    days" kids are excited about Archie comics now.  Seeing Jughead in person
    would delight them, and maybe spur their interest in OTR.
    Hal even dressed as Jughead and put on an excellent show with audience
    participation impressing everyone there.  Great job Hal!  When will you come
    to a REPS showcase?
    Gary

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 14:03:03 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Tiner, Tiger, Burning Bright ...

    James Wood's mentioning that the advertisement for what he recalls as the
    Tom Mix "Glowing Cat's Eye Ring" mentioning plutonium, elicited from John
    Mayer,

>     Unlikely; plutonium didn't even exist until the 40's, so it must have
>     been pretty rare and pretty expensive, even if its status of World's Most
>     Dangerous Poison were not yet recognized

    Except that there is no record of a Glowing Cat's Eye Ring, but there is
    of the Magic-Light Tiger-Eye Ring from Tom Mix, and that was a premium
    from 1950.

    It could be that there was some loose plutonium round -- you wouldn't
    need much to make the Tiger-Eye Ring glow "magically."  After all, the
    amount of alpha-emitting material used in the Kix tom Bomb Ring was
    really tiny.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:24:24 -0500
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Karloff in _Arsenic and Old Lace_

>     he refused the role initially until the writers of the play told him the role
>     was written for [removed]"Jonathan Brewster looks like Boris [removed]" they
>     thought it would be great for Boris to play the [removed]

    There was a >ugh< televised version of Arsenic and Old Lace on, I
    believe, one of the live drama shows, maybe _Playhouse 90_ or _Heinz 57
    Playhouse_, which starred Mr. Karloff, probably in the early 60's. I had
    seen the Raymond Massey, Cary Grant version but, not knowing Boris had
    originated the part, I thought that casting him in that role was
    brilliant. I laughed every time he flew into a rage and attacked anyone
    who insulted him by commenting he looked like Boris Karloff.
    Unfortunately, his companion the doctor was not played by  Peter Lorre,
    probably my favorite actor of all time. I have often wondered if a film
    or videotape (I don't know when the latter was invented) exists of this
    performance, and if some clever technician could splice Boris's
    performance into the Cary Grant movie so that Boris and Peter could
    appear together.

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:24:41 -0500
    From: Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@[removed];
    To: "Radio  Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: RE: RADIO REVIEWS IN VARIETY

    In answer to Martin Grams inquiry about Radio Reviews in Variety, as a
    long-time subscriber to the paper (in the 30's & 40's), I can assure you
    there was a radio section that not only reviewed new radio shows - but - had
    the listings of stations in major US Cities currently playing radio programs.
    During the hey-day of radio, the paper was divided in sections, according to
    the media preference of the individual reader: RADIO * MOVIES* VAUDEVILLE *
    THEATER  There were also sections with the various Union News (AFRA; American
    Federation Of Radio Artists, SAG; Screen Actors Guild, AGVA; American Guild
    Of Variety Artists & AFTA; American Federation Of Theatre Artists. It also
    included the many other guilds in Show Business, as well as ads by performers
    of where there were - or - were not performing.  It was truly well nicknamed
    as the 'Show Business Bible' for people in the various fields of
    entertainment.

    Kevin Michaels

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:24:54 -0500
    From: "Gary Yoggy" <yoggy@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: AFRS
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    I'm looking for people who were involved with the AFRS during World War II
    This is the 60th anniversary of its founding and I am trying to set up a panel
    for the Newark Convention.  Thanks for all the help determining the 10 worst
    ever programs.  The only one to get more than one vote was MR. KEEN, TRACER OF
    LOST PERSONS.  Gary Yoggy

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:25:43 -0500
    From: Kubelski@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Hal Stone

    Hal Stone was among the first OTR stars I met at Friends of Old Time Radio in
    Newark.  I was at my first convention (1994) and not only did I meet him, but
    Rosemary Rice (I actually asked her who she played on Archie - what a faux
    pas!), Abby Lewis ([removed]), Ed Kemmer of Space Patrol, and a few others.

    But I specifically remember meeting Hal first and him and his wife explaining
    to me that 1) he is no longer famous except at the conventions and that 2)
    his wife is in a state of constant amusement about this when they attend
    together.  He told some very funny stories about being on Archie. The details
    may escape me, but I really remember the conversation.

    It was a funny, telling FOTR moment -- that you can "just talk" to the stars
    and they don't get all high-hat on you but are typically respectful of our
    interest in their 40-50 year old work.

    Hal - I hope you're in Seattle this year and Newark again someday.  Maybe you
    remember the youngish (by FOTR standards) brown haired guy with glasses from
    the night they did "the Shadow."

    Sean Dougherty
    Kubelski@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:32:19 -0500
    From: gad4@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: The Archie Tapes in the LOC vaults.

    Thanks to Elizabeth for her kind letter to my response. I wanted to respond
    to it, but took a couple days to [removed] One reason was procrastination,
    another was handling the topics properly.

>     To get all the "Archie" episodes in the
>     LOC onto the market would require an investment of more than $4000 just
>     for LOC lab fees. On top of that, you'd need to pay for post-production
>     work on the raw LOC dubs, and both Archie Comics and NBC would be
>     standing by with hands extended waiting to receive their percentages of
>     the profits on the sale of the recordings.

>     Given the choice, would "Archie" fans
>     support the effort to release the shows by purchasing the set  -- or
>     would they wait to download it for free?

    Actually, my answer to this is a definate YES. (Provided no one else has
    done any thing to get them out.)

    While the amount of collectors outside the OTR world for Archie may not be
    as great as say Superman, if you talked to the average person, I'm sure
    you'll find a higher name recognition and collectiblility with Archie than
    you would over most high quality otr series, such as suspense, gangbusters,
    etc. The comics are still for sale. And many baby boomers have a fondness
    for the character and it would be something parents would love sharing with
    their children.

    Inside the OTR world, to get 100 new episodes of any series, let alone one
    with the name recognition of archie and with several stars active in the otr
    community (an additiional plug for the rest of the cast including Bob
    Hastings, a regular at FOTR besides, our great Hal) would be a great
    accomplishment. And from what I'm hearing, it could become a reality.

    One way this could be done is by a major corporate OTR dealer. The type that
    would have their product in barnes and noble.  A company with a multi
    million dollar budget would be in a better chance not only to lay out the
    money and also be in a stronger position to market the product to mainstream
    america, which I believe would take notice of it. My personal opinion is
    that if a major corporate company did more things such as this to get new
    otr to the collectors instead of just marketing material fandom put the
    money into circulating, it would be a GREAT PR boost for them.

    Another method would be if a group of 10 dealers and collectors to each put
    [removed] into the pot and put it into their normal catalogs. Now, we can say
    that's a lot of money, but [removed] for 100 non-circulating Archie episodes is
    only [removed] a piece. Even for a collector, its a great deal.  For a dealer,
    all they would have to do is sell two copies, and they would have their
    money back. Sounds like a no-lose situation.

    Hal has mentioned in a different letter that he is in good contact with the
    folks at archie. If this progressed to the point of a serious group effort,
    perhaps he could put a good word in for us with the folks at archie so that
    it could be done more as a public service. Also, if they are fans of the
    show, perhaps they might have paid to have copies and that expense would be
    spared. If they haven't, they too might want copies.

    In short, it sounds like a very plausable project from many directions.

>     The only drawback to such a plan is that the chance of making back the
>     investment would have to be balanced against the possibility of the
>     programs being duped for free on Usenet or sold on pirate CDs via eBay.
>     As much as I hate to raise That Subject again, the fact remains that it's
>     probably the biggest obstacle to any dealer making the committment to
>     clear the rights to uncirculated materials: if they know in advance
>     they're going to be undercut by MP3ers the instant the programs are
>     released, there isn't much incentive to spend the money that has to be
>     spent in order to release them.

>     The question is, then, *is* there enough of a market to both cover the
>     costs of production and offset the losses that would result from the
>     inevitable MP3ing of the materials? Given the choice, would "Archie" fans
>     support the effort to release the shows by purchasing the set  -- or
>     would they wait to download it for free?

    Without bringing up a cause of controversy, I felt it needful to address
    Elizabeth's concern of mp3 collectors.

    Mp3 is just a medium to collect. Many of the collectors of otr collectors in
    mp3s are the same good folks that collect or have collected in other mediums
    such as tapes, reel to reels, [removed]  In fact, many of them we correspond
    with on a regular basis in this digest. Many even a part of this tread.
    Regardless of the medium, I dont think there are many of the advanced
    collectors who can say they haven't traded for shows, or that the majority
    of their collection is "store bought".

    In referring to the Archie situation, the trading world and the dealer world
    have lived together for decades.  I like to believe that if the otr trading
    community (mp3 and tape) was asked nicely not to trade copies of the shows
    around for a year so the dealers could get their money back, they would
    cooperate.  In fact, I believe most would like to see more projects like
    this occur and do what they can do to support new material getting out. But
    regardless, there always has been and will be a customer base for the dealers.

    Sincerely,
    George

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:32:38 -0500
    From: Grbmd@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Yiddish OTR

    I was listening to "All Things Considered" on NPR today when I heard an
    announcement that, starting tomorrow (Tuesday), they are starting a 10-part
    feature on Yiddish radio back in the Thirties and Forties.  They are
    apparently going to focus on one New York station and, I guess, show how the
    programming reflected the times, which of course was in transition from
    pre-war into wartime, which involved the displacement of many European Jews.

    It's good to hear any of the media today pay attention to OTR of that era,
    regardless of the ethnic slant.

    Spence

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:34:00 -0500
    From: Chet <cien@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: sam spade cast list "THE DICK FOLEY CAPER"

    hi radio bufferoos
    either carl amari or krld our local station here in dallas cut off the
    end credits of old time radio shows so THE QUESTION IS"

    does anyone out there have the CAST LIST for SAM SPADE and the DICK
    FOLEY CAPER?"..it would be greatly [removed]
    chet norris

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:34:14 -0500
    From: Grbmd@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Henry and Morey:  Local or Network?

    As just a dumb kid living on Long Island back in the Forties, I wasn't always
    aware of which programs coming from [removed] stations were purely local and which
    were sent out over the network.  Does anyone out there know about the
    following?

    Two or my favorite programs were "Here's Morgan" with Henry Morgan and the
    program (whatever its name) headlining Morey Amsterdam.

    Henry would offer commentaries on various subjects.  He began the show, I
    think, with the opening "Hello, anybody.  Here's Morgan."  He liked to kid
    his sponsors, such as Adler Elevator Shoes, with references to "old-man
    Adler."

    Morey had a comedy and musical show in the after-supper time slot on New
    York's WMGM.  His announcer, I recall, was Phil Goulding.  I bought a 78-rpm
    album around that time that featured Morey singing "Yuk-a-Puk" and other
    favorites that he did on his show.  I wish I still had it.

    Does anyone else recall either of these shows?  Were they [removed] local or
    network shows?  Do any recordings exist for either of them?

    Spence

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:19:02 -0500
    From: TallPaulK@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: The Nation's Station Turns 80

    There was a great article in the March 17th issued of The Cincinnati Enquirer
    about the 80th anniversary of WLW radio in Cincinnati.

    I remember my dad telling stories about the 500,000 watt WLW transmitter when
    it was first fired up.  People who lived near the transmitter could pick up
    the signal in their rain gutters and clothes lines.  One gentleman even
    picked it up in his metal teeth retainers.

    If you want to check out the article, here's where to find it:

    [removed]

    I hope to see you at the April OTR convention in Sharonville.  Please stop by
    the Cincinnati Old Time Radio Club table and say hello.

    Signing off until next time . . . . . . . Paul Kattelman

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:41:18 -0500
    From: Musiciantoo47@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Lost Programs
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    Hello; I had an unfortunate accident a few days ago when I was trying to add
    more programs to a CD which I had left open. Even though I had done this
    procedure before, something went wrong; and when I added the new track the CD
    closed. And now the only track playable on the disc is the one I added. Now
    my computer and my mp3 machine both ignore the programs that I had already
    recorded on the disc which is very upsetting to me because I would much
    rather have had the ones that were there over the one I added. So I am
    writing to ask if there is anyone out there who has these shows and would be
    willing to either send them to my Streamload account (Username:
    Musiciantoo47) or be willing to work something out by mail. i never got to
    hear any of them. The series' I lost are:

    NIGHTBEAT
    CHARLIE CHAN
    MACABRE
    SLEEP NO MORE
    TALES FROM THE TOMB

    Any help greatly appreciated; thank you!

    Kenny Snellgrove,
    Tuscaloosa Alabama.

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    Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 23:58:36 -0500
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: The Story Lady

    Gary McDole wrote:

>     In the San Joaquin Valley in the late 60's these syndicated spots were >big
>     favorites.  The voices MAY be joan gerber & byron kane.

    Yes, they were definitely Joan Gerber and Byron Kane.  I knew Byron in the
    early 1980's and we talked about them when someone gave me a cassette of the
    shows. (No, I don't know where that cassette is now but it's around here
    [removed]) Gary Owens was also involved with them.

    Barbara

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