Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #109
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Date: 3/21/2002 10:03 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 109
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Retrieving Lost Programs              [ Musiciantoo47@[removed] ]
      Dave Warren - a great artist          [ "Ben Ohmart" <bloodbleeds@[removed] ]
      Henry Morgan                          [ "Tim Lones" <tallones@[removed]; ]
      Re: The Archies                       [ "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      The Tales of Fatima                   [ "kim" <classictvlover@[removed]; ]
      basic questions of a relative newcom  [ BrianWest2@[removed] ]
      Re: East vs. West Changes             [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Re: Convention info                   [ HRRMIKES@[removed] ]
      Singin' Sam                           [ Jerry Bechtel <[removed]@[removed] ]
      Jack Benny Statue Celebration         [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
      1830s autograph                       [ "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:27:36 -0500
    From: Musiciantoo47@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Retrieving Lost Programs
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     Kenny mentioned losing a number of shows after adding files to a

>     multi-session CD. Those shows *can* be retrieved using ISO Buster, a
>     freeware program for Windows users. This is an excellent utility for
>     anyone who burns their own CDs, and can be downloaded at
>     [removed]

    THANK you so much Mr. Stephenson for turning me on to that program! I
    downloaded it, it worked like a Charm and I was able to retrieve my programs
    and transfer them to a fresh disc. I have another OTR friend whom I met on
    here, Mr. Ron Ward who also directed me tp a ZIP program that I not only
    needed very badly, but which has since proven to be invaluable. I thank you
    both very much!

    Kenny Snellgrove
    Tuscaloosa, Alabama

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    Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:42:00 -0500
    From: "Ben Ohmart" <bloodbleeds@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Dave Warren - a great artist

    I'm so sorry he's gone. We were honored to use his Gildersleeve art in the
    Gildy book. I'm hoping he got to see the book before the end. Alas, I shall
    have to inform Charles Stumpf of his passing tomorrow.

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    Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:43:25 -0500
    From: "Tim Lones" <tallones@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Henry Morgan
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         For insomniacs (or folks with VCR's) I've Got A Secret (CBS) airs nightly
    at 5:20 AM ET on Game  Show Network as part of Black and White
    [removed] Morgan was a regular panelist for most of the show's history,
    showing much of the "lovable grumpiness" he had been known for in Radio.
    Other radio Veterans included panelist Bill Cullen , who did a lot of Local
    New York and network radio in addition to his Gameshow Hosting duties and
    hosts Garry Moore (1952-64) and Steve Allen (1964-67)..
         Note: B+W Overnight's schedule this week is being altered for Oscar/Movie
    star themed shows, so the schedule may be changed some
         While Henry's TV work does'nt compare to his radio work (of which I've
    only heard a little) I can imagine his humor on radio was every bit as biting
    as I've seen on TV, if not more so.

    Tim Lones
    East Sparta, Ohio

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    Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:44:44 -0500
    From: "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re: The Archies

    John Henley wrote:

>     "The Archies" even put out several 45 RPM records, the first of which
>     was a hit.  Maybe some remember it - "Sugar Sugar"?

    Actually, "Sugar Sugar" was their SECOND record.  The first was titled
    "Bang-Shang-a-Lang."  I used to own it, picture sleeve and all.  I say USED
    TO because I brought it to a friend's house, let him borrow it for a party,
    and never saw it again.  I owned (and still do) "Sugar Sugar" too.  Lots of
    people [removed] it was the biggest selling single of 1969.

    Funny, I can never seem to add anything that's ON topic!  But that's why I'm
    [removed] to learn about OTR from the experts!

    Michael

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: While we're wildly off-topic, I remember years ago seeing an
    interview with Barry Manilow where he mentioned that Ron Dante was "The
    Archies." A little research shows that Mr. Dante was lead vocals on every
    released single except, "Love is Living In You," which is believed to
    to be Ritchie Adams. Apologies for the off-topic info.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:56:45 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Today in radio history

      From Those Were The Days --

    1925 - The voice of Lowell Thomas was first heard on radio.

      Joe

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    Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:56:52 -0500
    From: "kim" <classictvlover@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: The Tales of Fatima
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    Hi,
    Can anyone help me find some shows from "The Tales of Fatima"?  I need them to
    be in cassette form.

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    Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:57:22 -0500
    From: BrianWest2@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: basic questions of a relative newcomer

    Hi, this is my first time writing to the Digest and from what I've been
    reading a relative newcomer to group of people who enjoy oldtime radio. I've
    developed some questions and thought that I might give it a shot by sending
    them to this digest. I understand that these questions may have been covered
    in the past, so I apologize for that. Maybe a couple of the elder statesmen
    I've been reading like Hal Stone or Harry Bartell may be able to help me.

    Here are my questions:

    1) was the pay good for radio actors? I'm not necessarily looking for
    numbers, rather whether it was a decent living.

    2) One of my early assumptions had been that radio actors were people
    generally waiting for their movie opportunity, yet I've also noticed that
    movie stars (Jimmy Stewart-Six Shooter, Edmund O'Brien-YTJD, for example) did
    radio. Was it more like today where you generally have a split with those who
    are movie actors and those were tv actors and once in a while you had a
    crossover?

    3) This leads to my next question - why would established movie stars do
    radio(I mean, even Humphrey Bogart had a radio show!!), did they need the
    money from radio ( I guess I'm comparing them to old-time ballplayers who had
    to get a job in the offseason).

    4) Did announcers, like Don Wilson, make decent money or were they considered
    lesser lights and the payscale was low?

    5) my last question (for now anyways) concerns the physical setting for doing
    the shows. My guess is that comedians (like Jack Benny, Burns and Allen,
    Fred Allen, etc) did their shows in front of a live audience because they
    might use physical gestures to draw a laugh, while other shows like dramas and
    serials were done in a room or hall with the actors sitting around
    microphone. Am I close, or am I way off?

    Thank you for providing this outlet to me.

    Brian West

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    Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:59:24 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Re: East vs. West Changes

    On 3/20/02 10:26 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     Anyway, from what I have read, I understand that often, if a show was done
>     for the entire nation, they would go on the air and do the East Coast
>     version then later do the West Coast version. Just out of morbid curiosity,
>     I was wondering, when after rehearsal, if it was common to do the east coast
>     version on the air and then have to revise the script or dialog quickly
>     before the west coast version because something in the show just didn't
>     work.

    In my study of the early "Amos 'n' Andy" scripts, I can find very few
    instances of changes between the early and late programs -- sometimes
    there's incidents of individual lines being cut for timing purposes, and
    there are occasionally entire sections of dialogue that have been
    replaced -- but it's impossible to know for sure if this happened prior
    to the first broadcast or between the first and the second. Correll and
    Gosden never rehearsed their 15 minute programs, so I'm inclined to think
    that the occasional interpolated changes reflect adjustments made between
    the Eastern and Western shows, and they're usually quite minor -- a word
    or two changed to make a line clearer.

    There are a couple of exceptions, though -- the first "Friday Night
    Minstrel Show" special, broadcast on 12/4/36, is drastically changed
    between the first and second shows, with an entirely different guest star
    featured. This may have had to do with a scheduling conflict or sponsor
    cheapness -- but it wasn't a typical event by any means.

    The second exception occured because of a genuine personal tragedy. On
    the afternoon of January 5, 1939, Correll and Gosden completed their
    Eastern broadcast at 4:15pm Pacific time, and then went immediately to
    Cedars of Lebanon hospital, where Charlie's wife Alyce was preparing to
    give birth to their first child. They expected to be able to return to
    NBC in time for the Western show at 8. However, the baby -- a girl --
    died shortly after birth, and Correll was so shattered by the loss he had
    to be sedated. Gosden took him home to Holmby Hills, poured him a stiff
    drink, sat with him until he fell asleep, and then went back to the
    studio for the second show. The Western broadcast was by this time just
    minutes away, and there was no time to rewrite the script. So Gosden went
    on the air alone -- cold -- and rewrote the entire script as he went,
    turning the episode into a dialogue between Amos and the Kingfish, with
    Andy's lines turned into quotations and third-person exposition. Director
    Joe Parker later called this the most incredible "show-must-go-on"
    performance he had ever seen -- adding that when Gosden finished, he
    stood up from the table, shoved the script in his back pocket, and, in
    tears, left the studio without a word to anyone.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:59:44 -0500
    From: HRRMIKES@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re: Convention info

    Ken Reiss asked about the convention, but wasn't sure which one he meant.
    Out here in Seattle, our thoughts are all focused on the REPS Radio Showcase,
    to be held here on June 28-30.  A large number of OTR performers will be with
    us as always and a really full program is laid out with re-creations galore
    (including The Lone Ranger withFred Foy, Dick Beals and a live studio
    orchestra), great panels and a very warm and hospitable membership waiting to
    greet visitors.

    Details will be updated very shortly on our website  ( [removed]).  Some
    info is there now, including the performers, along with a registration form
    that can be downloaded.  The full schedule will be posted in early May.  Hope
    this helps.
    Mike Sprague
    The Radio Enthusisasts of Puget Sound

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    Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:46:22 -0500
    From: Jerry Bechtel <[removed]@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Singin' Sam

    John ask if anyone remembered "Singin' Sam" from the good old [removed]
    yes, I remember him being known as "Singin' Sam the sunny smile man".
    But I too forget what shows he was on.

    Jerry

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    Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:40:17 -0500
    From: JackBenny@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Jack Benny Statue Celebration

    For more information on this event, you can also check our Web site at
    [removed] (look under Featured Items).

    --Laura Leff
    President, IJBFC
    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:11:48 -0500
    From: "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: 1830s autograph

    Or, if the date is right, the typo could be in the names.  How about Burke
    and Hare, the Edinburgh body snatchers?  If so, Burke almost certainly would
    have been the signer, since his testimony sent his partner to the gallows a
    year earlier (1829).

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