Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #381
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 10/20/2003 9:06 AM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 381
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      ADMINISTRIVIA: FOTR Week!             [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      OMF Confusion                         [ "Stephen Bauer" <viajero97@hotmail. ]
      The grooves are still sticking        [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      Re: Possesives vs Plurals             [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Radio English                         [ "Harry" <hb1379@[removed]; ]
      ANOTHER NEW FACE FOR RADIO FANS!      [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      Chuck Schaden & FOTR                  [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
      Accents, etc.                         [ Richard Carpenter <newsduck@[removed] ]
      bauersfeld lord of the rings          [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
      Radio Golden age                      [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      Teen Alcohol Use                      [ oldpdb@[removed] (Paul Barringer) ]
      Boston Globe Article on "Say Goodnig  [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
      Short Wave reception                  [ Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed]; ]
      Re: New FOTR Guest                    [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      WEIRD RECEPTION                       [ Sandy J Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      hollows/hollars/hollers               [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:10:36 -0400
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA: FOTR Week!

    Folks;

       Finally, the week of the FOTR [removed] those of you coming,
    remember to pick up an at-symbol sticker at the leaflet table and put it on
    your nametag, so other subscribers can put a face with the name. (And for
    those not coming to the con, what's keeping you away from the East Coast's
    largest OTR convention, anyway?)

       And while getting ready for the convention this week, I'm hoping you'll
    pack an extra $[removed]

       I'm going to be holding an informal fundraiser for the new-server fund, by
    selling an OTR/video CD. The disc contains bunches of OTR shows, a filmed
    excerpt of a radio Jack Benny Program, some unexpected Lone Ranger video, and
    even an episode of the OTR-to-TY crossover Burns and Allen, complete with
    original Goodrich/Carnation commercials!

       No formal dealer's table (I was running late again this year), just look
    me up. I'm easy to [removed] the mornings, I'm the rotund guy hanging out at
    the coffee urn. (In the evenings, I'm the rotund guy trying and failing to
    drink Hal Stone under the table.)

       A list of the programming on the disc will be available at the Con, and is
    also available at:

    [removed]

       All proceeds from the sale of this disk will go directly to paying for the
    two new machines - the co-located web/mail server (which the Digest is now
    running flawlessly on) and the local back-up server.

       Just look for me around the convention, and even if you don't pick up a
    copy of the fundraiser disk, be sure to say, "Hello!"

             Charlie

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:07:46 -0400
    From: "Stephen Bauer" <viajero97@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OMF Confusion

    I haven't listened to all of the OMF episodes, however I know the show was
    pretty consistent in it's 27-year run. It had elements of soap opera but
    couldn't be totally classified as a "soap opera". It had elements of humour
    but couldn't be classified as a "sitcom". It even had elements of mystery
    but couldn't be considered a "mystery". It was first and foremost a story
    about a family and, apart from a few structural changes, it very rarely
    strayed from it's original style and focus in it's long run. Perhaps a few
    of the episodes you're listening to are incorrectly labeled. Who are the
    characters involved?

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:19:03 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The grooves are still sticking

    The old Broken Record Syndrome, really actually just a stuck groove, is
    still happening despite the lack of grooves, records, or electrical
    transcriptions.  You probably all remember the fake blooper in one of
    Kermit Schaffer's early albums, the one where there is a stuck groove in an
    ET and it says "Go to your neighborhood A & P (click) & P (click) & P
    (click) & P . . ."  That one ran at 78 RPM for just a short phrase.  In a
    later album there was another fake blooper where in a sermon a precher says
    Oh Jesus Christ, and the transcription sticks there at 33 having him say
    that longer phrase over and over and over and over.

    Well, it happened again, and this time there is seemingly accurate
    documentation and confirmation of it.  An AP news story in the Casper (WY)
    Star-Tribune  [removed]
    explains that a few weeks ago during coverage of the Morman general
    conference on KSUB Ceder City, Utah, a digital buffer overload occurred
    just as church Apostle M. Russell Ballard said the word "sex".  While
    reloading, the buffer repeated the last sound that it received, thus this
    word was repeated over and over and over and over rapidly for the next 24
    seconds!!!

    What makes this even funnier is that according to the article, no listener
    complained!  And neither has the Church!!!

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:16:28 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Possesives vs Plurals

    On 10/19/03 12:08 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     As for the second regionalism that Chris pointed out, the pluralization of
>     store names, this is being misunderstood.  They are not making it a plural,
>     they are making it a possessive.  It is Wal-Mart's, Blockbuster's Video,
>     Best Buy's, etc.

    Precisely. The best example of this is a now-bankrupt chain of discount
    stores called "Ames."
    We had quite a few of these stores up here before the company folded last
    year, and they all had a big sign on the front that said simply "Ames."
    But the average Mainer would *always* say something like  "I'm goin' ovah
    to Ames'es to git a new paih 'a sho'ts."

    There was a restaurant in the town where I grew up that ran into this
    problem coming the other way -- it was run by a guy named Bill Darres,
    and the offical name of the place was "Darres Lunch." All the locals
    called it simply "Darres's, but whoever painted the sign out front
    must've been from away, because he assumed the locals were indulging in
    this habit of making posessives where none existed -- and he painted a
    big sign reading "Darre's Lunch," which hung over the place for many
    years. The local shibboleth for knowing who was local and who wasn't was
    always to ask them what the name of that lunchroom was -- the
    outa-townies would inevitably say "Dare's."

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:18:38 -0400
    From: "Harry" <hb1379@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Radio English

    To those who are really into the English language and radio
    pronunciation I highly recommend the book, "The Story of English" by
    McCrum, Cran and MacNeil.  The book, unfortunately, may be out of print,
    but a PBS video tape of the same name which is companion to the book is
    available.

    The book's discussion of the regional differences in England contains
    the following:

    "What attitude should the new BBC take towards such coinings as
    cocktail, pussyfoot, road-hog and sneak-thief" And, perhaps most
    sensitive of all, what English accent should the BBC adopt?  The
    approach to a solution reached in 1926 was to set up the so-called
    Advisory Committee on Spoken English.  This high-powered group of
    experts included ... Robert Briges ... Logan Pearsall Smith ... George
    Bernard Shaw ... [removed] Onions ... Julian Huxley ... Kenneth Clark and
    Alistair Cooke, then a young journalist."

    When I was on the air back in the 60's there were several often
    mispronounced words that were drilled into us, [removed] (New-z) not (Nooz),
    (Pee-an'-ist) not (Pee'-a-nist), etc.  We were taught that Temperature
    was a four syllable word, and Family is a three syllable. There is no
    "edge" in education.  Well, you get the picture.

    All of that has gone by the wayside on Television.  Everyone on the
    Weather Channel says Tempecher and on the Family Channel they all say
    Famly.  And most can't figure out that there's, a contraction of "there
    is" precedes a singular, not plural, noun. ([removed] There's a great Italian
    deli across the street. There are fabulous wildflowers in the hills.)

    We won't even mention sports announces, though Bill Stern didn't seem to
    have a problem with the language.

    Harry Button
    hb1379@[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:19:05 -0400
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  ANOTHER NEW FACE FOR RADIO FANS!

    Radio fans will have an opportunity to meet and greet another radio actor
    for the first time at SPERDVAC's convention! We've made contact with Johnny
    McGovern who worked on hundreds of radio shows in Hollywood in the 1940s and
    1950s. Among his many credits are Gunsmoke, The Halls of Ivy, On Stage,
    Doorway to Life, Wild Bill Hickok, California Caravan, Adventures of Ozzie
    and Harriet. On the Jack Benny Show he played Jack on the Beavers' version
    of the show.

    Later on he changed his name to John Wilder and became a successful
    writer/producer/director on such TV shows as Streets of San Francisco,
    Spenser: For Hire, Branded, Most Wanted, The Partridge Family, The Rifleman,
    and The Streets of San Francisco.

    Johnny McGovern will join Hal Stone, Tommy Cook, and Conrad Binyon on the
    Kid Actors Panel, moderated by Frank Bresee on Saturday morning, November 8,
    following the Book Panel. For registration forms, directions and other
    information, see [removed]

    Barbara

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:19:12 -0400
    From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Chuck Schaden & FOTR

    I was listening to Chuck Schaden's show yesterday via the Internet and he
    kept talking about "going to sell some books" and "being off the show next
    week."

    Hey Chuck - is there some rule that you can't mention you'll be at FRIENDS
    OF OLD TIME RADIO in Newark and that there are some things going on besides
    you selling books?

    I mean come on - give us a little [removed] must be some people who
    listen to your show that might be [removed]

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:19:51 -0400
    From: Richard Carpenter <newsduck@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Accents, etc.

       In an otherwise accurate posting about how words
    are pronounced and what beverages are called in
    Boston, the writer, despite being from the area, chose
    to perpetuate the myth that the city's name is
    pronounced "Bahs-ten." No one from  Boston has ever
    pronounced it that way; it's always "Baws-tin."
       As for calling carbonated beverates "tonic," that
    is correct but appears to be fading; the term "soda"
    has caught on with the younger generation (anyone
    under 40, I'd say).
        By the way, beans aren't especially popular in
    Boston despite the Beantown moniker; Boston cream pie
    is no big whoop around here, either.

       As for the question of how many episodes of "One
    Man's Family" are on MP3, most sites sell a 43-program
    collection. [removed], however,  sells about twice
    that many.

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:20:03 -0400
    From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  bauersfeld lord of the rings

    Does anybody have the Eric Bauersfeld version of the complete Lord Of The
    Rings on MP3.  It is all supposed to be up on a web site, but I have the
    feeling that it is not complete.  Thanks in advance.  Kurt

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:27:12 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Radio Golden age

    Hi Everybody,

    can some one tell me about Radio Golden Age.  I believe it was a show in the
    North Eat of the USA in the 1970s that had radio guest.  The host of the
    show was Dick, and Ed.  I am not to sure of there last names.  I heard a few
    of there shows and would like to hear more.  Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:28:08 -0400
    From: oldpdb@[removed] (Paul Barringer)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Teen Alcohol Use

      Last year New York's Westchester County came up with a
    public-education campaign called "Face Value' an anti smoking campaign
    directed at teen- age girls".

      This year, parents wanted a similar campaign against teen drinking
    started, after a rash of drinking incidents that were highly publicized
    took place in the county.

      Westchester County teaming up with Archie Comics will start that
    campaign.

       The company (Archie Comic Publications) is going to design and
    publish a comic book that deals with the problems and issues that
    teen-agers are confronted with, that include under-age drinking.

      The goal of the book is not to preach to the kids and teens, but to
    provide the information to make the right decisions.

      The comic book will be distributed to middle schools through out the
    county by the county's office of drug prevention.

      The book will contain related web site addresses phone numbers and
    games in addition to the stories.

       Also in the book is a "no drinking or drugging" pledge card for the
    students to carry.

       Two new web sites have been set up to help the students, parents and
    teachers.

       The web site for teachers and parents can be found at
    [removed]; the site for teens is
    [removed].

       Archie, Jughead and all their friends are involved in the campaign.

        There is also a E-Mail address to contact the county if you are
    interested in your school receiving the comic book (I don't know if you
    can ask for them on line or not, I haven't checked that out yet).

       This may not be completely OTR related, but since one of my favorite
    posters is on this list ( Jughead himself) I thought it might interest
    others on the list also.

        Information taken from [removed]

     Paul

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:28:23 -0400
    From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Boston Globe Article on "Say Goodnight
     Gracie"

    The controversial one-man play "Say Goodnight Gracie" by scheduled FOTR
    guest Rupert Holmes is featured in today's Boston Globe.

    Read it, then come to the convention ([removed]) and discuss the play
    with him!

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

    WITH his portrayal of George Burns, he makes a new impression
    Boston Globe, MA
    ... To playwright Rupert Holmes, who never met the original Burns, Gorshin
    is "miraculous" at combining the talents of an actor and an impressionist.
    ...
    <[removed]
    yal_of_george_burns_he_makes_a_new_impression>

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:28:54 -0400
    From: Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed];
    To: submit item <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Short Wave reception

    I am catching up on back issues of the Digest I have
    read several people are having problems with reception
    on the short wave bands.
    The answer to your problems lies in propagation, the
    sunspots and of course no matter how much you pay for
    a radio unless you have a good antenna you are not
    going to hear anything worth while.
    Try running a single strand of wire 30 feet in length
    verticle. Isolate it with insulators from where it is
    attached and you will be amazed at what you will hear
    and the cost is not really that much. One further bit
    of advice is that if you can ground your radio that
    will also help a lot.
    If I can help any more just drop me a line. I dont
    promise anything but I have been listening to short
    wave radio for about 60 years, have some decent
    equiptment and a lot of time ( I hope )
    Pete

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    Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:30:05 -0400
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: New FOTR Guest

    In a message dated 10/19/03 11:08:33 AM, Harold Zeigler  writes:

>         I was really excited in finding someone "new" for the convention as radio
>     personnel are becoming hard to find as time goes by.
>         I'm looking forward to the convention next week and finally meeting Paul
>     Carnegie and watch him perform.

    ***Our latest FOTR guest Paul Carnegie also co-starred as Kato opposite Jack
    McCarthy in the final 13 episodes of THE GREEN HORNET.  I'm really looking
    forward to meeting him also.  And for anyone interested, FOTR's LONE RANGER
    70th
    anniversary recreation features:  FRED FOY (announcing and doubling as the
    Lone Ranger in the single script for which he filled in as the Masked Man
    back in
    1954), PAUL CARNEGIE (as Tonto), WILL "Sugarfoot" HUTCHINS, BEVERLY WASHBURN
    (who appeared in the first CLAYTON MOORE [removed] feature film), ELAINE HYMAN
    (from the WXYZ cast), JIMMY LYDEN (Hollywood's Henry Aldrich), CLIFF
    CARPENTER,
    WILL JORDAN and Let's Pretender BOBBY REMSEN. --Anthony Tollin***

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:23:29 -0400
    From: Sandy J Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WEIRD RECEPTION

    With no antenna, I was watching a channel in Peoria, Illinois one
    day--suddenly there was a scrambled signal followed by a station break
    from a station in Bangor, Maine!

    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:53:40 -0400
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  hollows/hollars/hollers

    Jeff Quick wrote:

>     After we got home my wife questioned me about what a "hollar" was:)   For
>     those of you non-hillbillies, a hollar is what most people call a ravine.
>     I'm not sure if this term is local to Indiana or not, but I think most
>     people from the south still use it.

    I'm from western Pennsylvania (Elizabeth, on the Monongahela River, to be
    exact). We had 'hollows' there, too. They have names like neighborhoods do.
    "Hollows" refer to the wider places of watercourses, like springs and
    creeks (which we pronounced "cricks'), which run between the hills that the
    creeks separate.

    Herb Harrison

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