Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #232
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 6/11/2003 6:04 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 232
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]
      17in sleeves                          [ "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed]; ]
      Early stereo broadcasts               [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      re:TV remakes of OTR                  [ eric_cooper@[removed] ]
      Bringing back OTRshows on TV          [ "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed] ]
      Re: OTR Shows Remade for TV           [ Kcpymurphy@[removed] ]
      What won't [removed]                    [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      Inflation Prices                      [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      OTR reworked for TV                   [ "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed] ]
      First Network Political Coverage      [ otrbuff@[removed] ]
      otr as modern tv                      [ "randy story" <ctr18700@centurytel. ]
      OTR Television Revivals               [ allherenow@[removed] ]
      re OTR Television [removed]         [ John Henley <jhenley@[removed] ]
      June 12th birthdays                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      tape holders                          [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      OTR Television [removed]            [ "Jeff Quick" <jeffquick@[removed] ]
      OTR Television [removed]            [ "Cancilla Dominick" <[removed]@buc ]
      new tv versions of old shows          [ "Deric J. McCoy" <vigor16@[removed]; ]
      Lone Ranger movie?                    [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
      Fred Howard                           [ "William Harper" <whhsa@[removed] ]

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 04:52:03 -0400
    From: lois@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

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    KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
    KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
    and widow of actor Howard Culver

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:46:22 -0400
    From: "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  17in sleeves

    hi
    sometime ago there were inquiries to where you can obtain transcription
    sleeves, i just bought 25, cost was $30, these are 17in sleeves with
    a flap, you can get them in this area at
    gaylord bros
    7272 morgan rd
    liverpool ny  13090-4592
    1-800-634-6307
    item #lp17
    ed carr

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:47:58 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Early stereo broadcasts

    I was hoping that perhaps someone would have a specific date for early
    experiments in dual-channel stereo transmissions on AM/FM combos.  Most of
    you seem to remember them from the late 50s and early 60s, which is frankly
    when I remember them from and when I listened to them.  I've discussed this
    here before, but it is new to most of you.  In New York WRCA/WRCA-FM did a
    nightly program at 10 PM called "Jazz, Voices, and Strings" and I think
    that Art Ford was the host.  Several years earlier in the 1956 season, he
    hosted a weekly live jazz program on WNEW-TV which was in stereo with WNEW
    radio.  That also was the season where "The Lawrence Welk Show" for Dodge
    on ABC-TV was broadcast nationwide in stereo.  I didn't watch these two TV
    series, but I did watch and listen in stereo to the special edition of The
    George Gobel Show on October 21, 1958, sponsored by RCA Victor to promote
    Living Stereo and Living Color.  There was a special sealed centerfold in
    TV Guide that when unfolded during a certain commercial and placed over the
    lower half of the screen would show us peasants what we were missing by not
    having a color TV.  And as someone mentioned, there was a Disney telecast
    in stereo.  Actually, it was in 3-channel, using the TV for the center and
    the AM and FM stations for the two side channels.  It was "The Peter
    Tschaikovsky Story", and Maltin lists it as January 30, 1959 but has no
    mention of stereo.  Being on ABC-TV, it was obviously in black and white.

    But all of these are still not the earliest examples of stereo broadcasts.
    On December 17, 1953 "The New Northerners Program" on WMAQ Chicago added a
    larger orchestra conducted by Richard Shore, and instituted stereo on the
    AM and FM stations.  Charlton Heston also was featured reading from "The
    Cruel Sea."  Another weekly series on this station "New Dimensions" was
    also broadcast in stereo starting Dec 27, 1953.  Although I listened to
    them, my notes show that I never got around to making tapes of the discs
    that Northwestern University held of these programs, but perhaps due to the
    theft of a lot of the discs from this collection, there are copies
    circulating--in mono, of course.  (The circulating programs match the dates
    from the Northwestern collection.)

    The question was asked in passing as to whether these broadcasts were done
    when stereo LPs were introduced.  The answer is yes and yes.  Since the
    modern single-groove 45/45 stereo record was introduced in 1958, this is
    what sparked the interest in stereo radio in the late 50s.  But back around
    1953--the time of the WMAQ broadcasts--Cook Records introduced a
    dual-groove stereo system that required a double-headed arm.  Pre-recorded
    stereo tapes were also being introduced in the market place in 53 and 54.
    But stereo recording had been done experimentally by Bell Labs as early as
    1927, and both Arthur Keller of Bell and Alan Blumlein in England patented
    systems for stereo recording in the 1930s.  Film studios were doing multi
    channel musical recording in the late 30s and many of these masters are
    being discovered and issued on CD and DVD.  But the first time the public
    really heard multi-channel audio was for Fantasia in 1940.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:48:22 -0400
    From: eric_cooper@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  re:TV remakes of OTR

    Althogh I personally consider it blasphemous, I will respond to Charlie's
    request by suggesting a TV version of Yours Truly Johnny Dollar--an idea
    that actually was suggested for the small screen back in 1962, but never
    aired. What about 2003?

    Eric Cooper

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:48:31 -0400
    From: "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bringing back OTRshows on TV

      Think the Nightbeat show and This Is Your FBI could be converted to TV
    without too  much of a problem.
    Andrew Godfrey

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:48:40 -0400
    From: Kcpymurphy@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: OTR Shows Remade for TV
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    Charlie asked which OTR shows could be re-made successfully as a TV show
    today.  My drama picks would be "Tales of the Texas Rangers" [I think it was
    already done some time back & I'm not talking "Walker Texas Ranger"] and The
    Six
    Shooter [provided that someone like Tom Hanks could be persuaded to do this].
    One of the few sitcoms that might make it would be "The Halls of Ivy".  It is
    so difficult to guess, judging by some of the crud that makes the top 10 of
    television shows.
    Kacie

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:49:03 -0400
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  What won't [removed]

>     And which shows wouldn't work at all, no matter how faithful to the original
>     (or even _because_ they were faithful to the original)?

    The Green Hornet, or any hero whose identity is supposed to be hidden by a
    simple half-mask.

    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:50:31 -0400
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Inflation Prices

    C Van Cleave <cvc@[removed]; wrote, about 'Gunsmoke':

>     Oh, and Chester gets to pretend he can afford to
>     pay $8000 for a piece of land.  (That's got to be about $800,000 or $8
>     million nowadays ...)

    I checked [removed] for their Consumer
    Price Index "Inflation Adjuster" guide:

    What cost $8000 in 1872 would cost $[removed] in 2002.

    Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2002 and 1872,
    they would cost you $8000 and $[removed] respectively.
    Of course this might have no relation to the price of Chester's land, now
    or then, but it gave me an excuse to look for an "inflation adjuster" site.
    While I was at it I checked the "CPI price" for a 5-cent pack of gum in 1953:
    What cost $.05 in 1953 would cost $[removed] in 2002.

    Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2002 and 1953,
    they would cost you $.05 and $[removed] respectively.
    Then I was curious about the "CPI price" for a 10-cent pay phone call in 1954:
    What cost $.10 in 1954 would cost $[removed] in 2002.

    Also, if you were to buy exactly the same products in 2002 and 1954,
    they would cost you $.10 and $[removed] respectively.

    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:50:44 -0400
    From: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR reworked for TV

    One show that I think would be great on TV is Johnny Dollar.  In the show,
    esp. the 5 part serials, they sometimes had to really stretch to get Johnny
    to answer the phone in the beginning of each episode - [removed] he would answer
    someone else's office phone or something.  Today, with cell phones being
    pretty much ubiquitous, along with pagers, wireless PDA's, laptops, etc.,
    YTJD would work [removed] plus it's just a cool show.

    -Chris Holm

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:25:12 -0400
    From: otrbuff@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  First Network Political Coverage

    According to "Those Were the Days" reported in digest #231:

>     1924 - The first political convention on radio was presented by NBC.
>     Graham McNamee provided coverage of the Republican National Convention
>     from Cleveland, OH

    Marc Robinson's "Brought to You in Living Color:  75 Years of Great
    Moments in Television & Radio from NBC" released last year authenticates
    what we've known forever, that the formation of NBC is pegged to a
    four-and-a-half-hour gala inaugural broadcast occurring on November 15,
    1926.  "More than a thousand of New York's most glamorous society and
    show business figures gathered in the Grand Ballroom of the
    Waldorf-Astoria Hotel "

    Could someone explain how the NETWORK preexisted this date in 1924?

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:19:36 -0400
    From: "randy story" <ctr18700@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  otr as modern tv

    just chiming in quickly regarding charlie's query about otr shows as
    contemporary tv programming. IF THEY WERE TO DO THEM RIGHT, i would like to
    see: tales of the texas rangers, inner sanctum, johnny dollar, and it pays
    to be ignorant. nightwatch would be great, [removed] a [removed]'t
    thay already done these shows as(respectively)walker:texas ranger, the
    x-files, the rockford files/ barnaby jones,....oh [removed] get my point i
    think. :)

    randy

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:19:51 -0400
    From: allherenow@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR Television Revivals

    I would like to see the following OTR Television Revivals:
    Halls of Ivy
    Quiet Please
    Nightwatch
    Witches Tale

    There are many others, but these are at the top of my list.
    In addition, I think today's technology would do these proud.

    Lennell H-M

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:58:43 -0400
    From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re OTR Television [removed]

    Charlie asked,

>     This got me [removed] it were done RIGHT, whatever the heck that
>     [removed] OTR show would you like to see re-made for today's television
>     audience? Which shows do you think would translate well to the small screen?

    First ones that come to mind, since we're in the midst of -
    well, maybe near the end of - the years of the girlfighter heroines:
    Candy Matson and Wendy Warren.  As long as both shows would provide
    at least two opportunities per episode for their stars to kick rears and
    mop up places with their dastardly male villains and henchmen.

    PS  Charlie also mentioned,

>     how great it is to see the ominous Mitch Pileggi from "The
>     X-Files"

    in the upcoming "Tarzan and Jane."  Just wanted to say, the wife and
    I are big Mitch P. fans, since seeing him in a local theater production
    of "Frankie and Johnny at the Clair De Lune," a couple of years before
    he joined "X-Files."  So I guess we'll have to give T&J at least one look,
    when it shows up.
    John Henley

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:36:42 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  June 12th birthdays

    Those who were born on the 12th of June:

    06-12-1909 - Archie Bleyer - Corona, NY - d. 3-20-1989
    conductor: "Arthur Godfrey Time"; "Casey, Crime Photographer"
    06-12-1914 - William Lundigan - Syracuse, NY - d. 12-20-1975
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; announcer in early radio
    06-12-1928 - Vic Damone - Brooklyn, NY
    singer: "Saturday Night Serenade"; "Stars in Khaki 'n' Blue"

    Those who died on the 12th of June:

    01-01-1917 - Ted Cott - Poughkeepsie, NY - d. 6-12-1973
    announcer, emcee: "So You Think You Know Music?"; "Music You Want"
    02-29-1904 - Jimmy Dorsey - Shenandoah, - d. 6-12-1957
    bandleader: "Kraft Music Hall"; "Your Happy Birthday"
    03-08-1908 - Franklyn MacCormack - Waterloo, IA - d. 6-12-1971
    announcer: "Caroline's Golden Store"; "Jack Armstrong, the All American Boy"
    07-07-1898 - Arlene Harris - Toronto, Canada - d. 6-12-1976
    actress: Mrs. Higgins "Baby Snooks"; Human Chatterbox "Al Pearce and His Gang"
    08-10-1900 - Norma Shearer - Montreal, Canada - d. 6-12-1983
    actress: "Everyman's Theatre"; "Louella Parsons"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    Hometown of [removed] Kaltenborn and Spencer Tracy

     ***** WARNING! UNHANDLED BAD CHARACTER!!!!!

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:37:07 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  tape holders

    Hi Everybody,

    does any one know of a good place where I can order tape holders that look
    like a book that holds 16 tapes?

    Charlie ask what shows would work and not work on TV.  I would like to
    believe  that I Love A Mystery as a show that would work on TV.  Carlton E.
    Morse script if it is follow would work.  It work will for two different
    cast, and if it had the producer and director I would think it would work on
    TV.  I think the Halls of Ivy would be very hard to produces on TV.  I have
    no idea who could play the Halls today, but I feel the scripts are so good
    it could work on radio.  Once again I don,t now who could pull it off on
    that media.  Has any one thought of a way where today recreation could be
    heard on a web site devoted to that type of radio.  It would be fun to hear
    a group doing all I Love A Mystery shows, or One Man Family, or Halls of
    Ivy.  Take care,

    Walden Hughes .

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:37:50 -0400
    From: "Jeff Quick" <jeffquick@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR Television [removed]

>        This got me [removed] it were done RIGHT, whatever the heck

    that

>     [removed] OTR show would you like to see re-made for today's

    television

>     audience? Which shows do you think would translate well to the small

    screen?

>     And which shows wouldn't work at all, no matter how faithful to the

    original

>     (or even _because_ they were faithful to the original)?

>              Charlie

    I can think of a few  OTR shows I would like to see a TV remake of:

    Richard Diamond - Maybe Nicolas Cage or Bruce Willis (ala Moonlighting) as
    the  wise cracking detective?   Naaaaaa forget Bruce Willis as Diamond,
    I've heard him sing  & he's no Dick Powell by any stretch of the
    imagination.

    Magic Island - This would be one instance where special effects could really
    do a nice job of re-creating all the technology available on the island.
    Just replace that whiney Jerry with someone with a little more backbone:)
    How about resurrecting Ricardo Montalban as the evil leader of the island ?
    He's already played the part of the superhuman bent on world domination in
    Star Trek Wrath Of Kahn.

    Escape - The "Diamond As Big As The Ritz" episode in particular.  Just right
    for a 2 hour TV movie & one of my all time favorite OTR shows.

    TV is great at times, but our imagination usually leaves any video
    production coming up short.

    Jeff

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:37:58 -0400
    From: "Cancilla Dominick" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR Television [removed]
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    	I like Charlie's suggestion that we mull over what OTR shows would (or
    wouldn't) work on modern TV.

    	I think one of Morse's adventure serials would be fabulous. I can't
    think of
    a good current story-in-multiple-episodes type show (although I'm not very in
    tune with what's going on in TV so I may be missing something).

    	I'd also love to see something like Pat Novak. The writing would have
    to be
    just right for this one, though -- not too corny, not too serious. Imagine a
    detective series where everyone is normal (if a little grim), except for Novak
    who talks like a dime novel and gets knocked out every week. It'd be fun!

    	And how about new versions of You Bet  Your Life or It Pays To Be
    Ignorant?
    With good casting, these could still be quite funny.

    	What wouldn't work? Sgt. Preston (unfortunately) -- I think the days
    of the
    heroic dog show are over.

    	Truth or Consequences would probably fail now too. There are just too
    many
    "extreme" game shows for something this tasteful to survive.

    	--Dominick

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:39:23 -0400
    From: "Deric J. McCoy" <vigor16@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  new tv versions of old shows

    Hi all,

    I would be interested in seeing how Amos N Andy would work, today.  Does
    anybody on television live in the poor side of the city anymore? If so,
    do any of them, that are on television, do anything but criminal
    activityany more?  Is hard work or even light hearted larceny, as
    portrayed with the Kingfish, ever shown or doesn't it sell in Hollywood,
    not Pioria.    In fact, what is television comedy coming to, obsenity,
    porno flicks and irreverent lies about political figures by R&R wantabees
    who can't make a joke without insulting the intellegence of the audiance.
     Here are a few good ones:

    Future shows:  not possible, but probable

    1. Our Miss Brooks:  Plot: Miss Brooks, an unwed mother--day care
    provider fighting off the welfare investigators who are trying to shut
    down her day care because her kids are always trying to get on porno
    internet sites.

    2.  Johnny Drink, P. I. Plot:  A wineo found in the gutter by L. A.
    police hot shot Bourben Buddy, a 18-year-old computer hacker who
    investigates the corruption in all sorts of Conservative covers for hate
    crimes.  Our hero receives his reward, a pint bottle at the end of every
    episode.

    3. The Goldbergs in the Middle East:  Plot:  Molly Goldberg and her long
    suffering husband decide to go back to Israel and help the Palisteinians
    and Israelites get along.  She uses her common sense and a lot of
    investigation with an unlimited expense account, typical for television,
    and Jessie Jackson for each week's intrigue.

    Actually:  No. 3 doesn't sound bad.  It just may work as good as anything
    else we've tried.

    Thanks for the time, Charlie,

    The question of television remakes sounded interesting to me.

    I heard they're going to make a black version of the Beverly Hillbillies
    the other day.  With that thinking, we can start seeing black versions of
    Gilligan's Island, Munsters, Andy Griffeth, I love Lucy and much much
    more.  Television seems to find a formula and then bleed it for all it is
    not worth.  Unfortunately, the productions, "artists" or whatever are not
    for me.  I'll take a Jack Benny, or Edgar Bergan over a Conan OBrian any
    day.  Radio personalities can take unoriginal material from Vaudville and
    make it sound fresh.  Television's current crop takes unoriginal radio
    material and makes it sound and look like "who cares?".

    Remember:  you heard it here, first.

    The future television producer

    Deric

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:54:06 -0400
    From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Lone Ranger movie?

    It looks like a Lone Ranger theatrical release may be
    in development. At least, that's stated in this
    article about a possible live action Mr. Peabody and
    Sherman movie. Since this was just posted today, I
    would presume they're refering to a new movie, and not
    the turkey that aired on the WB recently. (Sherman was
    of course voiced by Walter Tetley, and I can't imagine
    anybody else doing his voice!)

    [removed];threadid=78173

    Kermyt

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    Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:55:31 -0400
    From: "William Harper" <whhsa@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fred Howard

    Dear Folks;
    Peace.
    I had hoped that there would have been some response to my Fred Howard
    question.
    Recently I acquired 4 The Saints tapes. The two I have heard had Fred
    Howard.  One had Harry Bartell.
    The tapes, as well as others, were on sale.  Check out this site:
    [removed];Media=Book&SubCategoryID=&ReturnUrl=%2FProducts%2FSearch%2FHomeQuickSearchResult%2Easp%3FSearch%3Dthe%2Bsaint%26Media%3D
    Manituwah, Bill

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