Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #152
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Date: 4/23/2002 9:55 AM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 152
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Cigarettees and Whusky and Wild Wild  [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  Cigarettees and Whusky and Wild Wild  [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  Radio Theame songs                    [ AandG4jc@[removed] ]
  Fifth Horseman                        [ Les Rayburn <les@[removed]; ]
  Wild Women                            [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
  "Radio Days" completely fictitious?   [ "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed]; ]
  Cincy                                 [ "Arte" <arte@[removed]; ]
  Re: Ipod and OTR                      [ Ken Reiss <reissken@[removed]; ]
  Re: Cincy Convention                  [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:13:01 -0400
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cigarettees and Whusky and Wild Wild Women

From: Randy Story "bygeorge" <bygeorge@[removed];
I JUST GOT BACK FROM MY 3RD TRIP TO THE CINCY CONVENTION . . .

And boy are my arms tired.  (Rim shot!)

MIKE BIEL AND HIS LOVELY DAUGHTER LEAH WERE A JOY TO SPEAK WITH.
OF COURSE, WITH MIKE, YOU NEVER DO MUCH TALKING; BUT YOU HAD
BETTER BE ON YOUR TOES AS A LISTENER:)(JUST KIDDING, MIKE)

Now, now, Randy, I try to only answer questions when asked.

BTW, I WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING THAT IT WAS MIKE BIEL,
WITH HIS CUNNING WAYS, WHO PERSUADED ME TO REFER TO HAL AS
"HARLAN" IN THE CLOSING CREDITS OF THE "ARCHIE" [removed]
I WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN SO DEVIOUS ON MY OWN.

What I suggested to Randy was that he could get a laugh by saying
"Jughead was played by Harlan (call me Hal) Stone".  I had supposed that
the closing credits would duplicate the original one, and thus would
name him as "Harlan Stone".  So this was my idea of how to let him have
both the original and his current "credit".  If Don Ramlow had rewritten
the credits to mention him only as "Hal", then this is the way for
future listeners to realize that this WAS the original Harlan Stone.
So, although I had expected this credit line to get a laugh, there was a
method behind it as well.

I want to give credit to Randy that I know he would not do himself.  The
non-professionals received their parts through an audition session.
There were about 50 people there, and we are given a packet of several
sample pages from the scripts.  Then a section of the scenes are
repeated over and over and over and over and over with different people
doing the parts.  About six or seven people read for the part of Mr.
Andrews (including myself) but I felt that all the readings were just
average.  Then Randy read, and even though all of us had heard these
same lines about 7 times, and we all had the script in front of us, he
got numerous laughs!  That doesn't happen.  But it did.  He gave the
part a reading that brought out what I felt was what was really intended
by the lines that all of the others of us misunderstood.  The whole
bunch of us sitting several rows behind Randy all were in agreement that
he MUST get that part.

Then we read for the announcer's part, and at the end Don had both Randy
and myself each read it a second time.  Then Don made his decision to
give the part of Mr. Andrews to someone else, and give Randy the
announcer part while saying that I had come really, really close.  It is
not because I wanted the announcer part--which I did--but because Randy
had given the reading of the day that I had wished that he had been
given the part of Mr. Andrews (and then I would have gotten the
announcer part.)  I really wanted to hear that show done the way Randy
would have done it as Mr. Andrews.  Actually, the recreation did sag a
bit because the father's role was read as it was written, but without
the extra lilt of a comic reading that it desperately needed.  The
program really moved during the scene where only the four kids
appeared--Bob Hastings, Rosemary Rice, Hal Stone, and the girl who
played Veronica all knew how to get the humor out of the lines and
played it to the hilt!  But the father's role needed a little more than
it got.

SPEAKING OF HAL, MANY OF YOU MAY NOT REALIZE IT BUT HE LOOKS A
LITTLE LIKE THE LATE GEORGE C. SCOTT ([removed] DO NOT MEAN THAT
HE LOOKS DEAD!) FROM UP CLOSE.

Is that with or without the hat??????  (For those who were not there,
you will find out what I mean if Charlie's pictures of this came out.)
And is that with or without the cigerette?  (Had to have some tie-in
with the first part of this posting's title.)

I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT A HONOR IT WAS TO SHARE THE STAGE
WITH YOU AND YOUR FELLOW 'ARCHIE' CASTMATES.

The interplay of humor among those three--especially Hal and Bob--was
just great to witness.  The three of them had also appeared on a WVXU
interview program on Friday, and they were at it again there also.  That
was a great show and I wish the station had come down to the hotel to do
the program rather than do it in their studios.  There were only about 7
of us in the audience, and it should have been done in front of the
whole convention audience.

AND IT IS ALWAYS LOVELY TO SEE THE HUGHES FAMILY: DAN, AND HIS
WIFE(WHOSE NAME I CANNOT RECALL EVER)

Same here.  I can picture her, but . . .

AND HIS DAUGHTER(DITTO).

Karen.

IT IS WONDERFUL TO SEE AN ENTIRE FAMILY SHARE LOVE OF THE HOBBY.
AND THERE WERE SO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE THERE.   THANKS,  RANDY STORY

Charlie just sent me a photo of my daughter Leah with Bob Hastings and
Karen Hughes.  Leah just turned 18 last week, and Karen will be 18 later
this year.  Both have been going to this convention for a number of
years.  Having heard Hal tell stories about how he used to flirt with
the teenager girls in the audience when he himself was also a teenager,
we were hoping to get Karen and Leah into the front row for the
recreation, but we were stuck back in the cheap seats.  But we did give
Hal a chance to autograph Leah's T-shirt with Jughead's picture on the
front--however not while she was wearing it!  Bob and Rosemary also
autographed the picture of the gang of four on the back of the shirt.
And I got Bob to autograph the copies I brought of his two children's
LPs on RCA Camden that Hal and I posted about a few weeks ago.

From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
Folks were helpful enough to explain to me where I could find
a specific bottle of sparkling wine, and where the geese were
in the parking lot so I could get a picture.  Everyone took
extrordinary care of my wife, Annie, while I was busy running
around hitting award-winners with tripods,and annoyed pretty
much _everyone_ with the flash from my camera.     Charlie

George Aust wrote:
In reading the various posts about the Cincinatti convention over
the past few weeks it sounds like there is going to be alot of
drinking going on. How about wild women? Haven't heard anything
about them? Or is that hush hush? How about the party hats and
the practical jokes that go along with the drunks?

From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
There were wild women - must have been a college or university
somewhere cause Friday night, across the hotel parking lot, there
was what seemed like a bus load of college girls dancing and singing.

That explains it!!!  I was wondering why Charlie came running in all
wild-eyed, frantically asking everyone "WHERE CAN I GET SOME
BEADS????!!!!"   He must have found some (or some other type of
encouragement for the girls) because he admitted to me the next night at
the banquet that he didn't have any more memory in his camera and he was
just going around shooting off his flash pretending to be taking all of
these great pictures.  So now we know the rest of the story.  CHARLIE
SUMMERS IS A FLASHER!!!!  And we thought it was just geese in the
parking lot.  (Charlie, your goose is cooked.  A little too much of that
sparkling wine, perhaps?)

Michael (by the way, the geese moved to the WalMart lot Saturday) Biel
mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:15:14 -0400
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cigarettees and Whusky and Wild Wild Women

From: Randy Story "bygeorge" <bygeorge@[removed];
I JUST GOT BACK FROM MY 3RD TRIP TO THE CINCY CONVENTION . . .

And boy are my arms tired.  (Rim shot!)

MIKE BIEL AND HIS LOVELY DAUGHTER LEAH WERE A JOY TO SPEAK WITH.
OF COURSE, WITH MIKE, YOU NEVER DO MUCH TALKING; BUT YOU HAD
BETTER BE ON YOUR TOES AS A LISTENER:)(JUST KIDDING, MIKE)

Now, now, Randy, I try to only answer questions when asked.

BTW, I WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS SAYING THAT IT WAS MIKE BIEL,
WITH HIS CUNNING WAYS, WHO PERSUADED ME TO REFER TO HAL AS
"HARLAN" IN THE CLOSING CREDITS OF THE "ARCHIE" [removed]
I WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN SO DEVIOUS ON MY OWN.

What I suggested to Randy was that he could get a laugh by saying
"Jughead was played by Harlan (call me Hal) Stone".  I had supposed that
the closing credits would duplicate the original one, and thus would
name him as "Harlan Stone".  So this was my idea of how to let him have
both the original and his current "credit".  If Don Ramlow had rewritten
the credits to mention him only as "Hal", then this is the way for
future listeners to realize that this WAS the original Harlan Stone.
So, although I had expected this credit line to get a laugh, there was a
method behind it as well.

I want to give credit to Randy that I know he would not do himself.  The
non-professionals received their parts through an audition session.
There were about 50 people there, and we are given a packet of several
sample pages from the scripts.  Then a section of the scenes are
repeated over and over and over and over and over with different people
doing the parts.  About six or seven people read for the part of Mr.
Andrews (including myself) but I felt that all the readings were just
average.  Then Randy read, and even though all of us had heard these
same lines about 7 times, and we all had the script in front of us, he
got numerous laughs!  That doesn't happen.  But it did.  He gave the
part a reading that brought out what I felt was what was really intended
by the lines that all of the others of us misunderstood.  The whole
bunch of us sitting several rows behind Randy all were in agreement that
he MUST get that part.

Then we read for the announcer's part, and at the end Don had both Randy
and myself each read it a second time.  Then Don made his decision to
give the part of Mr. Andrews to someone else, and give Randy the
announcer part while saying that I had come really, really close.  It is
not because I wanted the announcer part--which I did--but because Randy
had given the reading of the day that I had wished that he had been
given the part of Mr. Andrews (and then I would have gotten the
announcer part.)  I really wanted to hear that show done the way Randy
would have done it as Mr. Andrews.  Actually, the recreation did sag a
bit because the father's role was read as it was written, but without
the extra lilt of a comic reading that it desperately needed.  The
program really moved during the scene where only the four kids
appeared--Bob Hastings, Rosemary Rice, Hal Stone, and the girl who
played Veronica all knew how to get the humor out of the lines and
played it to the hilt!  But the father's role needed a little more than
it got.

SPEAKING OF HAL, MANY OF YOU MAY NOT REALIZE IT BUT HE LOOKS A
LITTLE LIKE THE LATE GEORGE C. SCOTT ([removed] DO NOT MEAN THAT
HE LOOKS DEAD!) FROM UP CLOSE.

Is that with or without the hat??????  (For those who were not there,
you will find out what I mean if Charlie's pictures of this came out.)
And is that with or without the cigerette?  (Had to have some tie-in
with the first part of this posting's title.)

I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT A HONOR IT WAS TO SHARE THE STAGE
WITH YOU AND YOUR FELLOW 'ARCHIE' CASTMATES.

The interplay of humor among those three--especially Hal and Bob--was
just great to witness.  The three of them had also appeared on a WVXU
interview program on Friday, and they were at it again there also.  That
was a great show and I wish the station had come down to the hotel to do
the program rather than do it in their studios.  There were only about 7
of us in the audience, and it should have been done in front of the
whole convention audience.

AND IT IS ALWAYS LOVELY TO SEE THE HUGHES FAMILY: DAN, AND HIS
WIFE(WHOSE NAME I CANNOT RECALL EVER)

Same here.  I can picture her, but . . .

AND HIS DAUGHTER(DITTO).

Karen.

IT IS WONDERFUL TO SEE AN ENTIRE FAMILY SHARE LOVE OF THE HOBBY.
AND THERE WERE SO MANY YOUNG PEOPLE THERE.   THANKS,  RANDY STORY

Charlie just sent me a photo of my daughter Leah with Bob Hastings and
Karen Hughes.  Leah just turned 18 last week, and Karen will be 18 later
this year.  Both have been going to this convention for a number of
years.  Having heard Hal tell stories about how he used to flirt with
the teenager girls in the audience when he himself was also a teenager,
we were hoping to get Karen and Leah into the front row for the
recreation, but we were stuck back in the cheap seats.  But we did give
Hal a chance to autograph Leah's T-shirt with Jughead's picture on the
front--however not while she was wearing it!  Bob and Rosemary also
autographed the picture of the gang of four on the back of the shirt.
And I got Bob to autograph the copies I brought of his two children's
LPs on RCA Camden that Hal and I posted about a few weeks ago.

From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
Folks were helpful enough to explain to me where I could find
a specific bottle of sparkling wine, and where the geese were
in the parking lot so I could get a picture.  Everyone took
extrordinary care of my wife, Annie, while I was busy running
around hitting award-winners with tripods,and annoyed pretty
much _everyone_ with the flash from my camera.     Charlie

George Aust wrote:
In reading the various posts about the Cincinatti convention over
the past few weeks it sounds like there is going to be alot of
drinking going on. How about wild women? Haven't heard anything
about them? Or is that hush hush? How about the party hats and
the practical jokes that go along with the drunks?

From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
There were wild women - must have been a college or university
somewhere cause Friday night, across the hotel parking lot, there
was what seemed like a bus load of college girls dancing and singing.

That explains it!!!  I was wondering why Charlie came running in all
wild-eyed, frantically asking everyone "WHERE CAN I GET SOME
BEADS????!!!!"   He must have found some (or some other type of
encouragement for the girls) because he admitted to me the next night at
the banquet that he didn't have any more memory in his camera and he was
just going around shooting off his flash pretending to be taking all of
these great pictures.  So now we know the rest of the story.  CHARLIE
SUMMERS IS A FLASHER!!!!  And we thought it was just geese in the
parking lot.  (Charlie, your goose is cooked.  A little too much of that
sparkling wine, perhaps?)

Michael (by the way, the geese moved to the WalMart lot Saturday) Biel
mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:48:45 -0400
From: AandG4jc@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Radio Theame songs

    The past few digest articles have been dealing with The William Tell
Overature/The Lone Ranger. But my Question is what was the theme music to The
Shadow. What was the title of that classical piece? I have heard many
different versions of the theme, but my favorite is the full orchestration
with Frank Redick doing the opening narration. It sends chills up and down my
spine. My friends say to me that I listen to much to old radio because I am
starting to laugh like the Shadow.
    I also wanted to ask about the theme to The Green Hornet/The Flight Of
The Bumblebee. When was it decided that these juvenile action shows would
feature classics for theme music and not original compositions?
    And most definitely where did Jack Benny come up with his theme "Love in
Bloom"? And what about Burns and Allen? Blondie? Abbott and Costello? Phil
Harris and Alice Faye?
May be someone out there will know.
Allen

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:32:33 -0400
From: Les Rayburn <les@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Fifth Horseman

In response to my questions about OTR shows that related to Conelrad,
Civil Defense, and the Atomic Bomb; several members mentioned the
"Fifth Horseman" series.

I've found out a bit about this eight part series on the web, but would
love to obtain more information and also copies of the recordings. MP3
is best for me, and I have lots of very rare Conelrad, Civil Defense, and
Atomic Culture recordings to trade.

Please let me know other series that may have had plot lines involving
nuclear war, civil defense,
communist plots, and the like! I love this stuff!

73,

Les Rayburn, N1LF

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:32:48 -0400
From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Wild Women

Awww shucks!  Hal Stone says there were no wild women at the convention.
And the talk about all that drinking was just hype? What a
disappointment!   And I spent the weekend fingering my party hat with
dry cotton mouth.
But [removed] Grams Jr. says what?  There were wild women there,
by the bus load!  Who to believe? Well I know who I'm going to believe
(sorry Hal) and Martin has offered to buy me a drink too. : )

Well I'll sure think about it cause it sounds like everyone had a good
time. Who knows I just might do it (if my wife lets me). And it'll only
take a minute to pack my party hat.

George Aust.

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:33:10 -0400
From: "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  "Radio Days" completely fictitious?

Regarding Woody Allen's "Radio Days" (very entertaining movie, in my
opinion) -- when it came out about 15 years ago I read in a review that the
woman who shows up in a number of the stories (murder witness, cigarette
girl, Pearl Harbor day [removed]) was based on someone real. If there is any
truth at all in this, I would sure like to know who it was.

Doug Leary

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:33:56 -0400
From: "Arte" <arte@[removed];
To: "OldRadio Mailing List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Cincy

Just got home from Cincinnati. It was my first time at an
OTR convention of any kind.
Many thanks to Bob & especially Robert for making me feel
like I belonged there.
I came home with a big bag of tapes and CDs, an empty
checking account, a membership
in Robert's RLL, and more great memories than I can handle.
My wife and I also received
good news while there. On Friday morning, our grandchild #8,
Millissa, made her debut at
8 lbs 10 1/2 oz.
It was great finally getting to meet Hal Stone whom I have
so many times read on this digest
and "talked" to on Thursday night chats.
Bob Hastings and Rosemary Rice are both such nice people.
The recreations were fantastic.
The non-professional actors were also good.
I'm going to have to get me a 2003 calendar so I can mark
off an April Weekend.

I haven't watched "The Newman Shame" yet, but I will soon.

Arte Conforti
[removed]

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:58:12 -0400
From: Ken Reiss <reissken@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Ipod and OTR

Has anyone had any success with low bit-rate OTR mp3's on
Apple's new ipod?  Everything I've read states it can handle high
bit-rates, but nothing about it lower tolerances.

Rob-

I have an Ipod and love it! There were a few problems with low bit rate
files in the earlier [removed] It wouldn't remember where you stopped was
the most annoying one for OTR and audio book folks. These have been fixed
with the newest firmware.

Let me know if I can answer any questions, or e-mail me off list.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 11:33:54 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Cincy Convention

Hi to all the "Con" men and women.

Just to note to say how much I enjoyed being invited to the great OTR bash
in Cincinnati this past weekend.

It was great fun to once again see, and work with, my old buddies Bob H. and
the lovely Rosemary Rice. I also enjoyed the opportunity to work with all
the other folks who were our "co-stars" in the 3 recreations we did
together. Speaking of Rosemary, Wow! Is she ever talented. Over the years, I
certainly  remember the contribution she made to the "Archie" show in the
role of "Betty", but just between us folks, it was a role that really didn't
necessarily showcase or stretch her talents as an actress. In all the
recreations we did this time, (in particular, her playing "Ethel" to Bobby's
"Albert"), she really demonstrated her range and incredible depth of talent.
She is an OTR treasure, for sure.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank Bob Burchett, Ted Davenport,
and "my Uncle" Robbie for making things so pleasant for my wife Dorothy and
me. (Or is it Dorothy and "I"?) Dang! I was an English Major in college and
you'd think I woudda learned me a thing or two.

But I have to admit. One of the highlights was to finally be able to match
"Faces" to "names" when all you Digest posters came up to me to say hello.
(I dare not mention any names for fear of leaving someone out). Then too, I
found it fascinating that so many folks were old acquaintances, having met
them years prior at FTOR Conventions. You people sure do get around.

But I have to admit. One of the major highlights for me was to be able to
"Sing" on the [removed] I always envied Sinatra and Como. I would have
loved to have been a crooner. What a kick to get the opportunity to sing the
opening to a "Date with Judy". (What's that you say?...Don't give up my day
job!)

It was fun playing "Oogie" on that show, and "Walter" on "Our Miss Brooks".
But don't  you think it's strange that all the parts they gave me to do
called for a squeaky voiced Character?  Sheesh! I can play deep voiced sexy
parts too. (I think!) But I guess after doing "Jughead" for so many years, I
couldn't help but get "Typecast".

Thanks again to my Hosts, Fans, Dealers, Digesters and fellow performers.

Oh yea! I can't forget to mention "Curley". That's my new "Nick" for the
illustrious Charlie Summers. I bet his lovely wife Annie has to sleep in a
separate bed to avoid getting a curler in the eye at night. I bet he even
uses mousse and a hair net. I haven't seen so many curls since that funny
sport in these past Winter Olympics.

Love to all. (And one last [removed] RELAXXX, Charlie Mullen, RELAXXX).

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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