Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #208
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 6/28/2001 10:08 AM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                      The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                         Volume 01 : Issue 208
                   A Part of the [removed]!
                           ISSN: 1533-9289


                           Today's Topics:

 Long-Ago Newspaper Clippings         ["Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];  ]
 Re: Vallee Recordings                [Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed]]
 Jolson                               [Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];       ]
 OTR library for sale?                [Glenn Kalison <glennkalison@[removed]]
 Shiffy 's and  Michael re: "Jolson"  [hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];    ]
 Straight Arrow Comics again ...      ["J. Randolph Cox" <cox@[removed]]
 Beethoven's Tenth                    [Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];       ]
 DWIGHT WEIST                         [PURKASZ@[removed]                    ]
 Gettum Up!                           ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
 Re: RSI contest open to all          ["Michael Vincent" <mikeyface@hotmai]
 Miscellaneum im Parvo                ["David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed]]
 Tonto's horse, Mr. Bartell           ["Tony Baechler" <tony@[removed];]
 Archie Episodes                      [hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];    ]
 "Archie Episodes Available"          ["Bill Guggenheim" <BillG@after-deat]
 Bob Hope's humor                     ["A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed].]
 Benny and Allen and Genius           [KirkG12797@[removed]                 ]
 Captain Marvel                       [JimInks@[removed]                    ]
 Harry Bartell's voice                ["Scout" <scout@[removed];        ]
 Re: RSI contest open to all          [Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];       ]

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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 17:42:56 -0400
From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Long-Ago Newspaper Clippings

The Radio and Screen Weekly, Hollywood, June 21st to 27th, 1940

HOLLYWOOD THEATRE GROUP EMOTES ON KMTR
Glamour Town's most famous showcase, the Hollywood Theatre Group, is making
histrionic history with its weekly transcribed dramas over KMTR.

Sxteen shows have already been presented, the first thirteen were of a
variety nature and the last three were of the action-packed famous trials of
history.

Some of Hollywood's top names have contributed their bit to the half hour
platters including Mae Murray, Bill Orr, Baby Peggy, etc.  The trial series
is scheduled to continue.

Howard Culver, Group producer, plans a new "adventure in the future" series
to start next [removed]

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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:37:38 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Vallee Recordings

Shiffy notes,

Rudy never did have a
particularly good relationship with the ad agency and or sponsor's staff, so
he instructed Strong to edit the disks as they were being recorded.
Therefore, with only one exception (the incredible show of 12-13-34 with
William S, Hart, Beatrice Lillie, Buck & Bubbles, Henry Fonda & Cole Porter)
his Fleischmann and Royal Gelatin Hours were incomplete.  Except for
12/13/34 (not recorded by Strong, and complete, done on 4 16" uncoated sides
of 2 disks) all of his material (up to and iincluding the Sealtest shows)
were done on 12' disks.

A few additional notes on Vallee's shows --

I had an opportunity to examine a sampling of Vallee's discs not long
ago, and in addition to the usual E. H. Strong recordings, there were a
number of shows from 1933 recorded by the Scully Recording Studio in
Bridgeport, Connecticut -- and these were real oddities.

First off, they were *pressings*. Metal parts had been made from the
master and copies pressed -- how many copies, who knows? But not in the
usual shellac or even vinyl. Several of the programs were pressed in
flexible red acetate (true acetate, such as that used briefly by World in
the mid-thirties, as distinguished from the nitrate coating often called
"acetate" by collectors.) These had hand-trimmed edges, and were often
warped or dished. The remaining Scully recordings were among the oddest
pressings I've ever handled -- they were a thin layer of celluloid
pressed to a thick and rigid blue-green fibreboard substrate. All of
these Scully recordings were 33 1/3 rpm, and included the commercials --
and were apparently true airchecks recorded from WEAF. None of the Scully
recordings were complete -- and this was often frustrating. One such
program was the incomplete show I mentioned previously which had included
Buster Keaton as a guest, another included an early appearance by Cab
Calloway -- in which the disc ended just as his opening music was being
played -- and another featured a fragment of an appearance by the
important early blackface team of Moran and Mack (with Moran played by
Bert Swor, and not by the real George Moran.) Several of these discs ran
over into the opening moments of the Maxwell House Show Boat, which
immediately followed Vallee's show on Thursday nights, and a few discs
had odd, unrelated test cuts on the flip sides, including the only-known
fragment of the "Corn Cob Pipe Club," an important early country-music
show broadcast from Richmond, Virginia.

I've never found any documentation on the Scully Recording Service of
Bridgeport, but it would be interesting to know who they were and why
they chose to work in such odd formats. Vallee was apparently a regular
client -- the discs all had impressive labels custom-printed with Rudy's
name as opposed to the plain white labels Strong used. (Later, Strong
printed a number of very impressive label designs exclusively for Vallee,
and some of these are rather attractive -- they may be seen on the First
Generation Radio Archives website.)

Also in this group of discs was a complete-with-commercials recording of
the 1/10/35 Vallee hour, recorded by "Radio Recording Studio" of New York
on 12" 33 1/3 rpm uncoated discs. What's interesting is that this show
*also* exists as an E. H. Strong recording -- that version is the one
that Larry Kiner placed in circulation in the late 1970s. Either way it's
a great show -- with the highlight being an absolutely riveting
performance by the great Libby Holman. And, there was an unlabeled set of
four discs on transparent 12" floppy celluloid -- which turned out to
contain a complete half-hour Vallee band remote from the Hollywood
Restaurant from the summer of 1934. I have no idea who made this
recording.

Despite his long relationship with E. H. Strong, Vallee was apparently
not averse to shopping around his recording contract, no doubt looking
for the best price -- so it's quite possible that multiple copies of many
of his shows, at least from 1933-35, were made and may yet be extant.

Elizabeth

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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:37:40 -0400
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jolson

From: "Art Shifrin" <goldens2@[removed];

One of the most fascinating Jolie item's I've heard was a
personal recording pressed on a 10" Brunswick in whch he was
begging Ruby Keeler to take him back after one of their nasty
split ups.  That disk was acquired circa 1980 by Bob Altshuler,
then a Vice President of CBS Records and a prominent dealer of
extraordinary pre-LP disks.  He sold it to a collector who
stipulated that Bob permit no copies to be made, but he did
play it for me at his home in Huntington, (Long Island) New York.

Was that Altshuler's home or the purchaser's home?  In any event, that
recording HAS made it into circulation via one of four LPs John Newton
put out in the late 80s with rare material unique material like this.  I
think the label is included on the cover montague.  Also, I was sure
that I had seen the Brunswick recording ledger sheet for this disc, but
looking thru two inches of Brunswick ledger photocopies doesn't reveal
it--I can't imagine NOT photocopying it!

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:37:42 -0400
From: Glenn Kalison <glennkalison@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR library for sale?

I am in the market to purchase a small library of OTR
shows for a University radio station.  Where should I
begin my search?  Can anybody offer a well rounded
assortment of OTR in digital format?  For what price?

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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:37:45 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Shiffy 's and  Michael re: "Jolson"

Shiffy said:

Hi Hal,

I suspect that most of the 78's that you purchased after his comback were
not rereleases, but the then newly recorded Deccas.

Michael Biel said:

NONE of his earlier recordings was reissued during that
time!  I bet that all of the Jolson records Hal bought were Deccas which
were all recorded between 1945 and 1950

I betcha both you guys that you are totally correct? They had to be the new
masters. I guess when I said re-release, I meant re-acquainting the new
generation with some of his old songs. (Did I weasel out of that one OK?)

Michael Biel, in his posting, mentioned two of my all time favorite Jolson
numbers. I wore those two "NEW" Releases out with constant play.

"The Spaniard Who Blighted My Life" on Victor, and "Avalon" on Columbia.

And for the edification of any you younger Digest readers who are not
familiar with Jolson,I have some heartfelt advice. Run, dont walk, to your
nearest OTR company  (Old Time "Record" in this case) and buy those two. If
you don't enjoy the experience immensely, send the records to me (Prepaid,
thank you very much) and I'll put them to good use.

Man, did I ever sing along with those two numbers. Thanks, you guys, for
fleshing out The Jolson Story and setting the record straight. (Gad! don't
you just hate know-it-alls? :)

Hal(Harlan)Stone
"Jughead"

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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:37:48 -0400
From: "J. Randolph Cox" <cox@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Straight Arrow Comics again ...

According to the _Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide_ the Straight Arrow
Comic Book was originally published by Magazine Enterprises and ran for 55
issues from February/March 1950 to March 1956.

Randy Cox

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Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 23:37:50 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Beethoven's Tenth

Jim Stokes mentions his film is going to become a radioplay:

    I'll be working on this task in July.
    Will let you know when it is ready.

Please, please make sure that when it comes time to get actors, that you
get some who actually know how to "act" on radio. Some disagree with me on
this, but (despite Tony Randall's opinion), it takes a special person to be
able to act on radio!  I have heard many too many modern actors trained in
the visual only who simply cannot train their voice.

Never could truly place my finger on it, but for me, there is a huge
difference between radio actors and visual actors. Some can make the
switch, but many others cannot.


Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:35:16 -0400
From: PURKASZ@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  DWIGHT WEIST

    I believe Dwight had a daughter Diana, or Diane and that she became a
formidable actress, just ask Woody Allen.
    I'm sure SAG would be able to lead you to her agent.
                     <A HREF="[removed],+Michael+C.">
Michael C. Gwynne</A>

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:35:18 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Gettum Up!

Al asked,

My questions are when did Scout become Tonto's horse and was White
Feller the
first horse Tonto [removed];<

In Jim Harmon's Great Radio Heroes -- either edition -- he notes, "Tonto
had two earlier horses, first White Feller, then Paint, but in flashing
back to the early days of the Lone Ranger's career, the script writer
often conveniently forgot (for the sake of simplicity) that the Indian'd
horse hadn't always been Scout."  Now while I don't recommend The Great
Radio Heroes as a primary information source, I think this one's safe
enough.  As I understand it, Mr. Harmon has an extensive library of Lone
Ranger tapes, and doubtless has heard all three horse names referenced.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:35:20 -0400
From: "Michael Vincent" <mikeyface@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: RSI contest open to all

    You have stated that the "No Purchase Necessary" part was left out of
the catalog. This is simply not the case. The catalog clearly states that
you must purchase an item between the required dates. Radio Spirits Inc. had
deliberately engineered the lottery to be open to all that purchase RSI
products and not to anyone else. The catalog did not even include
information as to how to sign-up if you had not purchased an item. It was
implied that your ordering address would be entered in the lottery.

Just in case Carl Amari does not send his own message to the digest,
I'll mention that he just sent me an email which says "No Purchase
Necessary was left off in error and we are correcting it in the next
flyer we send everyone on our mailing list."  That should solve all of
the questions, and I am glad to be able to bring you this info.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:35:22 -0400
From: "David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Miscellaneum im Parvo

Hi, folks,

I've been absent for some time now (kind of lost interest during all the
copyright wrangling and hoping its done for now).  Anyway, I've had a chance
to listen to some shows I've previously not listened to before, one of which
was Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost Persons.

Miscellaneous Item #1

Needless to say I was very disappointed.  the Acting sounded lackluster and
sounded like they were just reading the scripts (ok, I know, they WERE
reading the scripts). Most shows I listen to, YTJD, for example, with
Bailey, are well acted, and you don't detect the script.  Was this normal
for Mr. Keen?  Was it a popular show?

Miscellaneous Item #2

Was listening to Dragnet from circa 1950.  Fatima Cigarettes was the
sponsor.  However, at the end of the show, Jack Webb extols the virtues of
Chesterfield.  Were Chesterfield and Fatima from the same company? I don't
remember ever hearing in any previous episodes of Dragnet commercials for
both Fatima and Dragnet.  Was there a dual sponsorship?  And if so, wouldn't
it be strange that the show would be sponsored by two tobacco companies?

Miscellaneous Item #3

Heard a commercial for Prince Albert pipe tobacco.  Two men were talking
about their pipes.  The one says he got his pipe from his nephew, who bought
it in England.  Then, because he cannot get a good smoke from the pipe and
thinking the pipe is at fault, he says, "I hurt hating his [removed]"
Obviously a blooper! But the actors never broke stride.  (Incidentally, the
problem wasn't really the pipe.  Once he started using Prince Albert
tobacco, the pipe's smoking quality improved -- bet you couldn't guess
that!)  (And also, incidentally, this was a real, genuine, bonafide blooper,
as it was heard on the end of a program.)

Just some minor contributions for this august forum!

Dave Phaneuf

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:35:27 -0400
From: "Tony Baechler" <tony@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Tonto's horse, Mr. Bartell

Hello.  Two easy ways to hear and identify Mr. Bartell are on the 1951
season of Nero Wolfe.  He plays Archie.  The other is as the announcer on
the 1946 season of Sherlock Holmes.  He is the announcer.

Tonto got his new horse on around August 19, 1938.  It did not have a
name, that came later.  That is an interesting show.  It is known as Chief
Thundercloud, The Four Day Ride and various other titles.  Jerry Haendiges
has it for sale.  His catalog is at:

[removed]

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:35:29 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Archie Episodes

Paul Grieves just posted the following.

How on earth do we get our hands on them ?  Or are they locked away in a
vault somewhere, never to be release ????

Paul, are you asking about the 127 episodes that Elizabeth mentioned were in
the Library of Congress? Or just the one's currently in circulation?

Paul, Let me share excerpts of an E-Mail that I received today from Rodnew
Bowcock

I'm sure you're being flooded with requests from people offering to send
you copies of Archie shows, [removed]

<snip> To which I replied. "Nope! no Flood, not even a "trickle". But one
"drip"ŠŠ for which I'm grateful.

Both Radio Memories and Radio Spirits (!) offer bookshelf volumes of The
Archie Andrews Show.

I would think that since you were a cast member either of these
organizations (Radio Memories at least) would be willing to give you
copies of these at no cost.

<snip> Oh Sure!

I know I saw Rosemary Rice autographing
copies for sale at the Radio Memories booth in Cincinnati.

Well, I bet if I ever get invited to the Cincy Con, and offer to sit at
their booth, they'd certainly give me a set. (By the wayŠŠHow much are
autographs worth nowadays? :)

Incidentally, I wonder if Bob Hastings is recieving royalties for the RSI
set.  They seem to exploit the fact that he starred in the show quite a
bit in their descriptions.  (We even get to see a picture of Bob as a
youth in a character pose I'm sure he's quite proud of!)

To which I replied (after thanking him for the note) that it didn't surprise
me at all that there was a pic of Bob in a "Character" pose. That's the only
kind of picture one can get from a Character like Hastings :)

Keep the faith

Hal(Harlan)Stone
"Jughead"

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:35:24 -0400
From: "Bill Guggenheim" <BillG@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  "Archie Episodes Available"

In response to: "Archie Episodes Available"
by "Elizabeth" --

127 episodes of "The Adventures of Archie Andrews?"
WOW!  I have about 40, not all are in great condition, and
some are merely slight variations of others.  Like Hal, I
too would very, very much like to have additional shows
of this, my # 1 all-time favorite OTR program.

If you have any ideas how I might be able to obtain copies
of those shows at the Library of Congress, I will gladly give
free copies of them to you, Hal, Bob Hastings, and any other
person who truly values "Archie Andrews and All His Gang"
the way we do.

Bill Guggenheim

Longwood, Florida
407-774-1260

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 00:39:37 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Bob Hope's humor

Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:50:56 -0400
From: "Harry Machin, Jr." <harbev5@[removed];

Only someone who lived during the years Hope was on radio might find
some of his topical humor still funny.

Actually, I think that Bob Hope's topical humor was a bit more universal
than Fred Allen's.

For example, walking out on stage in Vietnam, while Lyndon Johnson was
President, he exclaimed, "Hello Republicans!"

Several years later, when Nixon was President, he entertained at the U. S.
Embassy in Moscow and began, "Hello, Democrats!"

Many of Bob Hope's topical jokes were in this vein and could be recycled
from one administration to another.


 A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                        [removed]
 15 Court Square, Suite 210          lawyer@[removed]
 Boston, MA 02108-2503        [removed]

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 01:01:07 -0400
From: KirkG12797@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Benny and Allen and Genius

It seems to me that a common thread in the Benny/Allen debate is that, yes,
Fred Allen is a genius, but that, for various reasons such as longevity and
avoidance of topical humor, Jack Benny is better remembered.

To me, this misses the very important point that Benny was a genius when it
came to audio comedy.  Allen was a great wit, but his shows were mostly a
series of verbal jokes (topical or not).  Benny learned (over time) how to
use the medium creatively.  He made wonderful use of sounds and silences to
derive his comedy.  Often, on a Benny show, it's not so much what you hear,
but how you hear it that really makes it funny.  This may be another reason
why his humor has lasted longer--there's another, more elemental layer beyond
the jokes.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:08:15 -0400
From: JimInks@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Captain Marvel

I realize this is off topic but I wanted to point out errors that John Mayer
made in regards to the Captain Marvel-Superman lawsuit.

DC did not get the rights to Captain Marvel when the lawsuit was finished.
The two companis settled out of court and Fawcett agreed not to publish
Captain Marvel anymore.  Fawcett continued to own the character.

In 1972, DC worked out a deal with Fawcett where they licensed the character
for publication.  It wasn't until sometime in the late 1980's that DC
purchased the rights to own Captain Marvel and crew.  Before time, every time
DC used the character, they had to pay a fee to Fawcett.  Captain Marvel was
called by name on the insides of the comic but not on the covers after the
first few issues.  The earliest DC covers sported the legend "The Original
Captain Marvel" under the Shazam logo but that was soon changed to "The
World's Mightiest Mortal".

Freddy Freeman said "Captain Marvel" in order to transform to Captain Marvel,
Jr.  I always thought it very funny that the character couldn't say his own
name without changing.

Someone once said there had been a West Coast Captain Marvel radio show but I
am suspicious of that because the lawsuit against Fawcett started in either
1941 or 1942.  Fawcett was unable to sell a newspaper strip version of the
feature because no syndicate would take a chance on being involved in the
lawsuit.  I believe Republic Pictures, who did the Adv. of Captain Marvel
serial got into legal trouble because of the serial.  I know there was some
merchandising involving Captain Marvel but nothing like it would have been
had DC not been suing Fawcett.

Captain Marvel was created by writer Bill Parker and artist [removed] Beck (who
was a friend of mine).  Beck only wrote a couple of Captain Marvel stories.
Much of the writing was done by Otto Binder as Parker didn't return to comics
after WW2.

-Jim Amash

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:08:12 -0400
From: "Scout" <scout@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Harry Bartell's voice

You'll probably get lots of answers, but it happens I listened to the New
Hotel not more than an hour ago.

Harry Bartell is the government agent (Leach I think his name was) that was
buying the cattle from the gunman Shanks.

Scout

PS: Now a voice question for our Suspense [removed]'s the voice of
Johnny Plugcheck that Harlow talks to sometimes during Autolite spots?

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:08:07 -0400
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: RSI contest open to all

I feel I must add something to my posting yesterday about RSI's contest
where I quoted Carl Amari's email to me: "No Purchase Necessary was left
off in error and we are correcting it in the next flyer we send everyone
on our mailing list."  In an off-list message a reader challenged this
by saying "How could this be a mistake? The catalog clearly states that
you must purchase something."

This greatly troubled me.  Did it really state you MUST purchase
something?  As I explained to him, I am not on Carl's mailing list and
had not seen the catalog.  In my original negative posting I had relied
only on the original posting from George Tirebiter which said: >>The
announcement says the sweepstakes is open to "PEOPLE PLACING AN ORDER"
from now until Sept [removed];<  That posting had not said the rules used the
word "must".  Those who know me and my work know that I am a stickler
for thorough research and exact quoting and interpretation of original
sources.  Perhaps I was way too hasty and too trusting of Carl's
message.  I asked the writer to give me the exact wording of the entry
rules.  He went one step better--he sent me a scan of the whole contest
section, and asked me to give my reactions to the digest now that I was
able to actually see the rules as printed.

Much to his surprise, I am now even more convinced that Carl could have
been right that it was simply an error of omission.   The
characterization of the rules in both the original posting and the
reader's message were not completely correct because they were not
complete or accurate quotes.  Here are the "Contest Rules" exactly as
stated in the RSI catalog:

"The names of the people placing an order from this catalog on or before
09-15-01 will automatically be entered into a drawing for all 5 prizes,
which will take place on 09-30-01.  Winners will be notified by mail and
their names will appear on our website at [removed].  Don't
miss out on the chance to win!"

Read this carefully.  It does not state that you MUST order something.
It IS true that there is no indication of any alternative method of
entry that would not require a purchase, BUT there COULD be one added
without having to change a single word of the rules.  That alternative
method of entry could have been accidentally left out during the process
of editing and producing the book.

In the rules, the operative word is __AUTOMATICALLY__.  What is being
stated is that if you place an order you will be automatically entered
without you having to do anything extra.   For example, sometimes
catalogs offer purchasers a free item but only if you indicate this free
item on the order blank.  That free item might be free with an order but
not AUTOMATICALLY free.  Similarly there might be a sweepstakes entry
with an order but that this entry might not be automatic.  You might
have to check something off or enclose an extra form for the entry.

But what if you don't order?  I agree that no alternative method of
entry was given.  I agree that we have no proof that this was merely due
to an error other than Carl's word that it was.  But there is a stronger
proof that this excuse is possible.  Why? Because the alternative method
of entry can be added to the rules without having to change one word of
the rules that had already been printed.  The rules never stated that
"only the names of people placing an order will be entered".  It just
states that those who do order will automatically be entered.  This
could leave it wide open for a non-automatic alternative entry
procedure.  And I strongly agree with the critics that the omission of
an alternative method of entry is very serious and should be corrected
immediately.  It should be just as easy to enter the contest as it would
be to place an order.

I agree that Carl should immediately instruct his telephone order takers
that they must enter the names and addresses of everybody who asks to be
entered whether they order or not.  I agree that Carl should immediately
instruct the mailroom workers that even order forms that have no orders
on them should be entered into the contest.  I agree that the web site
should immediately include a way for anybody who logs onto the site to
be entered into the contest.  I agree that now that Carl has indicated
that No Purchase Is Necessary to enter the contest, that these
equivalent methods of entry be enacted immediately.

(By the way, folks, I know that Carl is reading this right now because I
received a thank you from him for my previous posting ten minutes before
I received the digest it was in!!  I kept hitting download wondering how
he had known I had posted--and __finally__ my own copy of the digest
arrived!!  WOW, he was fast!!!  The wonders of modern communication
electronics!)  So hopefully Carl will be taking my suggestions, and if
he hasn't already done so, I hope that these methods of
entry--equivalent to the ease of placing an order--will be enacted
soon.

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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