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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2001 : Issue 398
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Talent of Parent and Offspring        [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
      MP3 A Go-Go                           [ Michael Edwards <medwards_47@yahoo. ]
      mp3 technology                        [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      OTR in BC                             [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      VOCALIST'S OFFSPRING                  [ elliot s ferber <otrcollector@juno. ]
      NPR's correction                      [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      Re: OTR Stars on I've Got A Secret    [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      CD MP3 Player                         [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      Marconi                               [ "S Skuse" <sskuse@[removed]; ]
      MP3 dealers                           [ "Eric Cooper" <ejcooper2001@[removed] ]
      MAD Magazine cardboard records        [ "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed]; ]
      Re: CARDBOARD RECORDS again           [ "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; ]
      Norman Corwin                         [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      MP3 & the Rio Volt 250                [ Ken Kay <kenwyn@[removed]; ]
      Today in Radio History                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      :Perry Como replaced?                 [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Cardboard Records, Flexi Records, et  [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Re: Vocalist offspring                [ Bob Noble <bobnoble@[removed]; ]
      Vocalist's Offspring                  [ "Arte" <arte@[removed]; ]
      thankyou                              [ Peter Appleyard <pappleyard_ca@yaho ]
      Thank you, Hal Stone!                 [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      Re:Cardboard records                  [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
      Re:OTR parents and their kids         [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
      Re: Vocalists' Offspring - Two More   [ Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed]; ]
      offspring who can sing                [ "william coleman jr" <billycoleman1 ]
      Christmas Shows                       [ "rlmartin10" <rlmartin10@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:13:58 -0500
    From: Grbmd@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Talent of Parent and Offspring

    In a message dated 12/13/01 9:22:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, Al G. said:

>     Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that
>      was any good at all?  I sure can't.

    How about Alan Jones and Jack Jones?

    Spence

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    Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:14:45 -0500
    From: Michael Edwards <medwards_47@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: MP3 A Go-Go

    In recent issues, several list members have discussed
    the pros and cons of OTR MP3's.  However, none put it
    more succintly than OTRChris, when he said: "It can be
    a grab bag at times. But its cheap."  This is exactly
    right.  Often, you get bad-sounding shows, edited
    shows, mislabeled shows, etc, but just as often, you
    get a gem.  And, you can't beat the price, which is
    usually free, unless you're dealing with Ebay. (Which
    I don't.)  The flip side is that you get what you pay
    for.  With recent events as Amarigate, the Napster
    crackdown, etc, there seems to be a mad rush to encode
    every OTR show ever, and get it thrown onto the net,
    before someone shuts file trading down once and for
    all.  This has led to wide variety; it's also led to
    more poor shows being available than ever.  Still,
    it's not like I can ask for my money back.

    Charlie's right when he says that the varying quality
    of an MP3 has more to do with the source material,
    than the encode.  I've heard several Nightbeats at
    24/22 that sound crisp.  And I've heard a 64/44 that
    sounds like junk.  He's also right to point out that
    the average MP3 encode is fine for listening.  I
    delete half the MP3's I download, even the ones that
    sound good, because I didn't really want to keep them.
     I was just sampling.

    I know there are some MP3 hogs out there, but I wonder
    how many downloaders are just trying a show.  You pick
    up your average Radio Spirits catalog, or go to an OTR
    dealer's website, and you'll get a listing of the
    title, airdate, and maybe the guest star in a show.
    Not even a one-paragaph summary of the episode.
    That's too little information to go on, to buy a show.
     I think OTR dealers might increase their business if
    they take an aproach like Movies Unlimited.  Perhaps
    they have practical reasons for not doing so.

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    Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:14:39 -0500
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: mp3 technology

    Charlie was overheard saying:

>     Let's quit knocking 32k/sec MP3s for pleasure listening (archiving is
>     a _completely_ seperate issue - archived copies should, IMHO, NEVER be
>     compressed and should be stored at 16-bit 44kHz with no mucking around with
>     the audio), and stick the blame squarely where it belongs.

    I could not agree more. This is a theme I was bending a few ears regarding
    when at the last FOTR convention. And I've also heard it re-affirmed by
    Harlan Zinck and others - if you are going to archive - don't do it with a
    compressed format. And mp3's might sound great to most ears, they are great
    for listening (I've listened to more otr since I converted or downloaded
    shows into mp3 than I have ever listened to of my nearly 10,000 show reel
    collection) - but I fear that future archived shows might only be easily
    found in a compressed format.

    When I digitize, I first create masters from my reels onto CDs strictly as
    wav files exactly as they were on the reel. I only filter on a master
    computer noise file that I made by recording nothing but the noise that
    might be coming from the electronic equipment of my computer - hopefully
    removing any noise. I use a high quality sound card as well as Cool Edit
    pro to record.

    If I want to make an mp3 file version, I might try cleaning up some of the
    crackles and hiss, and I compress at 128 bits.

    Like others, I have downloaded some mp3 OTR and found many to be very
    crappy. I have a bunch of Nightbeats that are depressingly dreary to try to
    enjoy.

    The upside of the mp3 world is that it has opened OTR to a new generation,
    brought out copies of shows that weren't always previously found but are
    now ubiquitous.

    Thanks, Charlie, for your comments. I agree that it needed to be said.

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:16:24 -0500
    From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: OTR in BC

    OTR in BC, the comic strip, that is.  Today's (Thurs) BC comic strip has
    an OTR reference that might (unfortunately) have a lot of kids asking
    their parents for an explanation of the joke.  BC says "My uncle Terry
    was the greatest quarterback in football history!" and the other caveman
    asks "How can you say that?"  BC's reply is "Ol' Terry could stay in the
    pocket longer than Jack Benny's wallet."

    I didn't realize that OTR was THAT long ago!

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:14:52 -0500
    From: elliot s ferber <otrcollector@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: VOCALIST'S OFFSPRING

    How about Judy Garland and Lisa Minelli, couldn't get much better than
    that. Or how about Ozzie and Harriet's son Ricky, a real teen idol and
    good voice too.
                                      Elliot

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    Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:16:30 -0500
    From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: NPR's correction

    I can't believe I actually got NPR's All Things Considered to make a
    correction on the air about their Cronkite piece on the Pearl Harbor
    Congressional Debate broadcast.  They read part of my email which
    explained that CBS also broadcast the debate, and that it is a more
    complete record of the event because of the fewer commentator
    interruptions.  But they couldn't bring themselves to announce that I
    had scooped them by ten years with my C-SPAN broadcast in 1991!

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 22:16:06 -0500
    From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re: OTR Stars on I've Got A Secret

    From: Tom and Susan Kleinschmidt <tomkle@[removed];

>     Every night I tape the "Overnight In Black and White" segments
>     on The Game Show Network aired between 4 and 6 AM.

    We do too, and have gotten some great stuff, including several programs
    with Fred Allen.

>     This morning, the I've Got A Secret show was a salute to Old
>     Time Radio, originally broadcast on 7/31/57. . . .
>     they had two sound effects men on stage showing how the sound
>     effects were created.

    One of the two was Jerry McCarty, who later was the sound effects man
    for CBS Radio Mystery Theatre.  He also appears in a 1982 piece about
    the program that was done on CBS Sunday Morning, and I show it in my
    audio production class every year as a demonstration of how radio drama
    was produced.  Both Hy Brown and Jerry McCarty are interviewed in it.
    (Unfortuantely the picture quality is poor on my tape because of cable
    system problems that morning 19 years ago--I'd love to get a better
    copy.)

    The other sound effects man was Orville White, who was introduced as the
    sound effects man for "I've Got A Secret".  I didn't know they had an
    assigned sound effects man for a TV show like that.  But what was also
    interesting is that he was Black.  I don't think we've ever discussed
    race except concerning performers.  I wonder just how many broadcast
    technicians--__union__ broadcast technicians at that--were in the
    industry during the OTR or early TV days.  Remember, this is 1957,
    before the days of affirmative action.  While it is New York City, it
    must have been difficult for any minority to get into the unions.
    Perhaps Bill Murtough might have some observations on this matter, as
    well as Hal, Lois, etc.

    My daughter just mentioned we also have a tape of when Orville White had
    appeared on the program as a contestant.  His secret was that he was
    buzzing the buzzer right now--he had the button under the desk.  So
    that's what a sound effects man did on a TV panel show!

>     Other guests included Arthur Tracy(The Street Singer)

    Who claimed to have been the first performer to have a theme song.  Very
    doubtful claim.  I was joking with my daughter that they shouldn't have
    put Tracy on first because they will NEVER get him off!!  If you had
    ever met him you would know what I mean.  And sure enough, he sang a
    full loooonnnggg rendition of "Marta" and they had to rush thru the
    whole rest of the broadcast!  They should have told him to do only one
    chorus.  But what a voice.  I bet I could have heard him that night in
    my house in New Jersey across the Hudson River without having the TV set
    on!  But since this was in July, I didn't see this program because I was
    away at summer camp.

    By the way, the producer of the program was Allan Sherman, who later
    became famous for his song parodies.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

    ------------------------------

    Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:00:10 -0500
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: CD MP3 Player

    The Memorex Walkman-type CD player that handles all MP3s too is on sale
    this week at Target.  I bought mine a week ago for $[removed]; through
    Saturday it is just $[removed] (I took my receipt in and they gave me back
    twenty bucks).

    I am thoroughly enjoying this machine.  It plays my OTR MP3s with no
    problems.  Feel free to buzz me if you want more info about this.

    By the way, in regards to the Jack Benny set that has a lot of
    poorly-recorded shows--I have found this to be true with just about any
    MP3 CD that specializes in just one program, especially if that program
    was broadcast as early as the 1930's.  The Vic and Sade CDs I've bought,
    for example, have some excellent sound quality shows and also some
    horrendous ones.  Perhaps better-quality versions of these shows exist,
    perhaps not.  But for the low price and the huge number of shows, even if
    just a handful are of stellar quality, I've gotten my money's worth.

    ---Dan Hughes, [removed]~dan (spiffy home page)

    ------------------------------

    Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:14:36 -0500
    From: "S Skuse" <sskuse@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Marconi

    On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 Dave from Canada wrote:

>     CBC " This Morning " gave Guglielmo Marconi a salute this morning.
>     One hundred years ago today at Signal Hill in St John's,
>     Newfoundland Marconi received the world's first transatlantic
>     wireless signal, three dots - the letter " S " in Morse code - and
>     radio was born.

    The BBC in England also reported this historic anniversary, from the site in
    Cornwall, England where the signals were transmitted.

    Just to correct a slight misunderstanding, this was NOT the anniversary of
    the birth of radio.

    It was the first trans-atlantic signal, not the first-ever signal. The very
    first radio signal was transmitted in 1895, over a distance of three hundred
    feet. The trans-atlantic test transmissions in 1901 were an experiment to
    discover whether such a signal could be propogated over a distance of
    hundreds of miles.

    Sandra Skuse
    [removed]
    English OTR radio comedian Jimmy Clitheroe

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 00:45:51 -0500
    From: "Eric Cooper" <ejcooper2001@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: MP3 dealers

    Rather than anyone recommending this or that "dealer", whether they be on
    E-Bay or ottherwise. I would think that the proper question to a dealer
    would be, "Where did you get these?" If they merely downloaded them, that
    will answer your question right away as to their quality. The disc will
    probably be a download of a download of a download, ad nauseum

    Eric Cooper

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 01:09:18 -0500
    From: "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: MAD Magazine cardboard records

    I remember getting the disc entitled "It's a gas!" -- a stereotypical
    sixties guitar and drum rock tune punctuated by belching and the words "it's
    a gas!" Oh, to be ten years old! I wish I still had my copy. A picture of
    the record is here:

    [removed]

    Doug Leary

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:20:04 -0500
    From: "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re: CARDBOARD RECORDS again

    I'd asked about cardboard records of the Monkees from cereal boxes, circa
    1971, and Dave Walter replied:
    "I suspect the Monkees items were slightly earlier; Kellogg's had been a
    sponsor of the original run of the Monkees' TV show on NBC from September
    1966 through August 1968, and continued their sponsorship when reruns popped
    up on CBS from 1968 to 1970."

    All true, but I thought the reruns continued beyond 1970 as a Saturday
    morning entry.  In any case, the cereal definitely was *not* Kellogg's,
    although I'm at a loss as to who it actually [removed] I *think* either Post or
    Quaker.  (My memory tells me Post Alpha-Bits, but I've recently learned not
    to trust it - thanks to Dave! <vbg>) I'm also quite sure that these came
    about a year *after* the Archies' cereal box records - it's possible the
    same cereal company did both.

    Now: how can I keep this on an OTR level?  I know!  When "The Monkees" was a
    Saturday morning entry, the group did Kool-Aid commercials with Bugs Bunny,
    voiced by Mel Blanc, [removed] well, you know.

    Michael

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:20:12 -0500
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Norman Corwin

    This Saturday is the 60th anniversary of Norman Corwin show We Hold These
    Truth, and to celebrate the occasion Larry Gassman will interview Norman
    Corwin this Sunday night on Yesterday USA.
    Marry Christmas,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:20:36 -0500
    From: Ken Kay <kenwyn@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: MP3 & the Rio Volt 250

    My wife got me the Rio Volt 250 and two Sony SRS-A27 speakers for Christmas
    and I've talked her into letting me have my toy early.  I LOVE IT!!!  I
    have over 18,000 OTR shows on CD in the MP3 format and this little machine
    is the answer to my off-computer dreams.  It seems to play everything I
    throw at it and plays them clearly.  After collecting OTR on cassette tape
    for years I sure hear the difference between the cassettes and the MP3
    CDs.  I am not a purest, by any means, but, I used to be frustrated by
    cassettes that were virtually unlistenable due to low volume or too much
    bass.   I have yet to listen to a show in MP3 that was not nice and
    clear.  This plus having over 100 shows on a CD compared to needing over 50
    tapes to handle the same amount is a giant advantage.  The Rio Volt 250
    with the external speakers does everything you need to make this great
    hobby even more enjoyable and I highly recommend it to everyone.

    Ken Kay
    Chula Vista, CA

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:20:58 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Today in Radio History

      From Those Were The Days --

    1953 Fred Allen returned from semiretirement to narrate Prokofiev’s
    classic, "Peter and the Wolf", on the  Bell Telephone Hour on NBC radio.
      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:21:50 -0500
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: :Perry Como replaced?

     Joe Mackey noted the other day:

>     1944 - The Chesterfield Supper Club debuted on NBC radio. Perry Como, Jo
>     Stafford and many other stars of the day shared the spotlight on the
>     15-minute show that aired five nights a week. The show was sponsored by
>     Chesterfield cigarettes.

    I remember Sinatra also doing that show at some point.

    A few years later, Perry Como also had on NBC a half hour variety show, Wed.
    Night's. As I recall, it was called "the Kraft Music Hall".

    Little known fact. The Archie Andrews Show went "Prime-Time" in that slot as
    a summer replacement for Perry. (I forget which year).

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    "Jughead"

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:22:29 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Cardboard Records, Flexi Records, etc.

    After Dr. Michael Biel's definitive discussion of cardboard and Flexi
    recordings, and a side trip to "Men's magazines" such as Oui, Gallery,
    and Playboy, "Arte" notes,

>     I vaguely remember a record on a cereal box. I don't recall what was on
>     it, but I remember as a kid cutting it out and playing it on my record
>     player. I seem to remember it not sounding very good.
>     This would have been in the late 50's some time.

    Although I don't usually recommend Jim Harmon's book as a research source
    (his recollections of Captain Midnight contain major errors) , his
    discussion of something relating to The Challenge of the Yukon may help
    bring this back to OTR.    He relates,

    "But once, just once, near the end [of the program series], but still
    with Paul Sutton as the Mountie, Sergeant Preston was allowed a stirring
    climax.  It was for a condensed adventure offered on a phonograph record
    offered as a premium from the Quaker Puffed Wheat people."  I'm unsure
    whether this was a mail-in premium or one attached to the back of a
    cereal box, but it might be the one that "Arte" was recalling.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

    ------------------------------

    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 10:23:20 -0500
    From: Bob Noble <bobnoble@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re: Vocalist offspring

    Al Girard wrote:

>     ...Another singer's offspring that comes to mind is
>     Nancy Sinatra.  We all know how talented her famous
>     father, Frank was, but his talent didn't rub off on her.

>     Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that
>     was any good at all?  I sure can't.

    Gee Al, this comes down to taste, doesn't it? I remember hearing some of
    the albums Frank Sinatra Jr. recorded, and thinking that he wasn't
    really that bad at all. He never seemed to get the recognition that
    perhaps he deserved, and was always in his father's shadow -- being
    compared to him. Maybe because of that he abandoned the singing side of
    his career. In later years he conducted the band for Dad Frank on his
    many road trips. One must realize that Frank was an innovator, and that
    while many other singers were literally "singing" songs, and trying to
    remain as faithful as possible to the composer, Frank was "interpreting"
    them and delivering little "mini plays" with most of the numbers. Can't
    one imagine a three-minute barroom drama as he sings "...so set 'em up
    Joe, I got a little story you oughta [removed]"?

    [Aside: I never did care for Nancy Sinatra, [removed]]

    In many cases the offspring are so compared with Mom or Dad that they
    are not given the time and/or the opportunity to develop their own
    talent and move on in their own direction.

    How about Hank Williams [removed] If and when he wants to, he sure can sound
    a lot like Hank Sr. and yet he's developed a definite following of his
    own. Maybe he's not the musical patron saint that Hank Sr. was, but in
    these days there is a whole lot more singing competition than there was
    for his father in the late 1940s and early 1950s. And in spite of the
    plethora of performers, he's made a nice living for himself. (Heck -- he
    could probably retire from the earnings of the Monday Night Football
    [removed])

    And what about the offspring who become even better known than their
    parents? Rick (or Ricky) Nelson did quite well as a teenage heartthrob,
    and I'm sure he sold a heck of a lot more records than did his
    orchestra-leader dad Ozzie, or his big-band-singer mom, Harriet
    (Hilliard) Nelson.

    --bn

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:03:57 -0500
    From: "Arte" <arte@[removed];
    To: "OldRadio Mailing List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Vocalist's Offspring

    Al Girard asks:

>     Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that
>     was any good at all?  I sure can't.

    A lot have mentioned Liza Minelli and Natale Cole?
    How about Bocephus? (Hank Williams Jr)

    Arte

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:07:00 -0500
    From: Peter Appleyard <pappleyard_ca@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: thankyou

    This is a thankyou to all those that helped me with my
    request for addresses. It is sure great to know that
    there are so many persons with such a great amount of
    knowledge and expertise when one needs help. Again,
    many thanks to all you experts that answered my
    request. Peter Appleyard

    ------------------------------

    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 12:09:10 -0500
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Thank you, Hal Stone!

    Friend Hal Stone has mentioned here a marvelous book called  "And Now The
    News, 1945".  On Hal's recommendation, I sent for and greatly have enjoyed
    reading this book.  It was written by Herbert W. Hobler.   In 1945, Hobler
    was a member of the 20th [removed] Ninth Bomb Group, 1st Squadron in the
    Pacific Theater.  He was a navigator bombing Japan from Tinian, in the
    outfit that flew the famed B-29s with the huge Circled X Circle on their tails.

    After his return to the states, Hobler went into radio, eventually
    becoming GM and owner of WHWH in Princeton, New Jersey, where I met him on
    a couple of occasions.  In 1985, he decided to tell his listeners what it
    was like in 1945, four decades before.  He compiled a series of daily
    90-second newscasts, written as 'though we were back in 1945, but often
    with today's greater knowledge of world events than people knew back then
    when they were occurring.

    These short newscasts-from-the-past were aired twice a day, every day in
    1985 corresponding to that day's events in 1945.  All of the scripts are
    joined with a wonderful introduction, and comments from John Chancellor,
    Peter Benchley, and former Cornell University President James
    Perkins.  The book was published in 1994, preceding "The Greatest
    Generation".  It is a fine reading-mate to that worthy Brokaw tome and its
    successor.  For full information on "1945" go to: [removed]

    I have no financial interest in the book or its publisher, but recommend
    it highly for young and old alike.  It's a remarkable reminder of the
    times and that great generation which defended the world after the
    original Pearl Harbor attack.  Just as today's young men and women are
    defending civilization against the current crop of cowardly Nazi
    inheritors determined to reduce civilization to their medieval level.

    A reminder again of  "We must be vigilant".   I can think of no better
    time to read this, and to give copies as gifts to others, than right now
    as we enter the holy season of every major faith.  Perhaps this book
    should be required reading in our schools, just as Tom Brokaw's ought to
    be.  Sadly, today's students have no idea who and what Hitler was, nor
    what WWI and WWII were all about and how they have affected our lives
    every day since, and will continue so to do.

    Again, to learn more or to purchase  "1945"  go to:   [removed]

    Happy holidays to one and all!  Lee Munsick   That Godfrey Guy

    ------------------------------

    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:18:05 -0500
    From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re:Cardboard records

    I remember in the 1960's getting copies of records on
    cereal boxes.  One of my most vivid memories as a child
    was getting a cardboard record of the Archies singing
    "Sugar, Sugar".  The record was used as a promotion
    for the song (which was just released) as well as the
    popular TV cartoon series on which it was performed.

    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:34:39 -0500
    From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re:OTR parents and their kids

              You could also expand the OTR parent and child question
    to include any relatives.  I'm surprised that no one has mentioned
    the following:

    Judy Garland and her daughter Lorna Luft

    Katharine Hepburn and her niece Katharine Houghton

    (Note:I have an episode of "Philo Vance" called "The Backstage
    Murder Case" on which Katharine Hepburn appeared as an
    actresses stand in.)

    I believe that OTR actress Bea Benadaret (Blanche Morton from "The
    Burns and Allen Show") had a son who appeared as a regular on
    the old "Lou Grant" show.  Would anyone happen to know what his
    name was?

    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 15:34:50 -0500
    From: Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re: Vocalists' Offspring - Two More

    Re: Vocalists' Offspring:

    Two more come to mind:

    Woody and Arlo Guthrie
    Hank and Hank Williams Jr.

    And oh, yes, Harry Connick Jr. No, wait, he only *thinks* he's Frank
    Sinatra's [removed] <g>

    Harlan

    Harlan Zinck
    First Generation Radio Archives
    [removed]

    [removed] mean that Elvis Presley and Elvis Costello *aren't* related?!?

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:05:53 -0500
    From: "william coleman jr" <billycoleman112@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: offspring who can sing

    al girard was asking if anyone knew of a singer whos offspring was any good.
      rex allen jr, son of the western movie star who was a pretty good singer,
    is probably better than his dad was.  jr has the best version of the country
    standard "lonely street" that i have ever heard, bar none.  i like the andy
    williams version almost as much.

    later,
    mebc112@[removed]

    wtc

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    Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:06:09 -0500
    From: "rlmartin10" <rlmartin10@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Christmas Shows

    Hi every one! I have 8 CD-Rs that have 680MBs of various Christmas shows
    that I will give away for free to the first 8 responses. I am assembling a
    new computer and these are the results of testing the new CD-RW with Nero in
    lieu of Easy CD. I can not guarantee the quality of all the episodes or if
    any repeats exist. The CDs play on our computers and DVD player so they
    should play on others.

    Happy Holidays to all.

    Ron Martin
    rlmartin10@[removed]

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