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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 153


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Smokedreams
	 Re: Ruby Begonia?
	 The Saint
	 Ruby Baby
	 Freberg & Cigarette spots
	 Evan Mac Bride's Collection
	 Commercials on the OTR forum
	 OTR
	 Alien Worlds
	 Program histories
	 Earliest broadcast available
	 Book

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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:20:22 -0400
From: Carol1144@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Smokedreams
Message-ID: <960426092020_281178215@[removed]>

Let's see if we've got this:
   "[removed] STRIPE [removed]"
   "Call for Philip NORRIS."
   "WINSOME [removed]"
   "[removed] satisfy."

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Date: 26 Apr 96 12:25:51 EDT
From: Bill Slankard <[removed]@[removed]>
To: "OTR@[removed]" <otr@[removed]>
Subject: Re: Ruby Begonia?
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Thanks for all the public and private replies to my request for
information about Ruby Begonia.  I'm pretty much convinced
that it was Sammy Davis, Jr who said the phrase.

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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:00:32 -0400
From: IDickerson@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Saint
Message-ID: <960426130031_101006529@[removed]>

Apologies in advance for this is going to move slightly off-topic however
before my virtual mailbox starts to resemble a virtual mountain I thought I'd
keep you up to date on what''s happening with the Robin Hood of Modern Crime.

Radio: BBC Radio 4 adapted three Saint novels into sixty minute plays last
year. They starred Paul Rhys as the Saint and were okay. Sorry, I can't be
more enthusiastic but they weren't brilliant, and they weren't that bad
either. Tapes are not officially available but try writing to:

 BBC Radio 4 Publicity, Room 6001, Broadcasting House, Portland Place,
London, England. W1A 1AA

and asking nicely.

Film: "The Saint" starring Val Kilmer and Elizabeth Shue is in production (in
Moscow) and should be out next year.

Books: A new novel, "Capture the Saint", should be out later this year. The
authorized biography of Leslie Charteris--by some guy called Dickerson--will
be out the same time as the film. 

Needless to say to tie in with the film the TV shows will be rerun, and the
original books reprinted.

The Beeb have made tentative approaches to adapt more Charteris for radio and
discussions are slowly on going.

Like I said, apologies for moving off-topic but reaction to my previous post
indicates there's quite a lot of interest in all the above. I'm more than
happy to discuss any aspect of the Saint and Leslie Charteris---but off the
digest!!!

Regards,

Ian Dickerson,
Honorary Secretary, The Saint Club

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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:50:33 -0400
From: Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Ruby Baby
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Add me to the list of those who have no idea where the Ruby Begonia name
originated. But I was relieved to see I wasn't the only one who remembered
it from "Laugh In". Sammy Davis, Jr. used it all the time in the "Here
Come Da Judge" routine. However, I recall it as "Do da name Ruby Begonia
ring a bell?".

And just to roil the waters a little bit; Ruby Dandridge played the maid,
Geranium on the Judy Canova Show. Begonia, geranimu, is there that much
difference?

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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:47:05 -0400
From: Oldtimerad@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Freberg & Cigarette spots
Message-ID: <960426144703_281401893@[removed]>

Stan Freberg should be considered part of otr history, although during the
time his program was on the air he was also actively involved in TV as a
commercial-copy scriptwriter, ad man and voiceover [removed] was probably just
hedging his bets.
If Freberg is too recent for "otr" than what about Have Gun, will travel - a
show that began and ended in the late 1950's, but first after it had been on
TELEVISION.

A comment was brought up that Cigarettes were promoted in commercials as not
only not unhealthy, but HEALTHFUL.  This was probably to counteract what
little information about the harms that trickled out to the public.  One
cigarette manufacturer even had a campaign going calling the immediate throat
and mouth area a "T-Zone"...This was just an attempt to counteract negative
news and information in the form of true reports.  Still, sadly some people
liove in the [removed](Ask any "die-hard" smoker or Tobacco Institute
employee)...Bob & Ray (as is always the case) had a topical, humorous comedy
bit about asking Doctors about what cigarette they preferred.  After asking
four doctors, they learned that three would smoke Foncicle Cigarettes.  So,
therefore, Bob & Ray concluded that three out of four doctors would smoke
Foncicle cigarettes.

Andy Blatt
vintage@[removed]
oldtimerad@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:08:57 -0400
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: otr@[removed], judyjones@[removed]
Subject: Evan Mac Bride's Collection
Message-ID: <960426150856_383532467@[removed]>

Hi Gang -                 April 26 - 1996 -- Friday - 1:20 PM cdt 

In issue 151, Judy Jones of the California State University Sacramento
wrote to inquire what she should do with the tapes that were donated 
to the University's Library by the family of the late Evan Mac Bride. 

Here is my answer to Judy:

There are two very important things that you should NOT do with them.
First, DO NOT DESTROY THEM.  They contain historical sounds.  
Second, DO NOT LOCK THEM AWAY.  They should be played, enjoyed, and 
studied.  Keep them available to whomever is interested. 

I used to trade with Evan and had no idea that he passed away.  He 
published a catalog that contained the details as to what was on the
tapes.  If I still have a copy of his catalog I'll send it to you.  
You will need the catalog to make any sense out of the tapes.
The tapes themselves should be boxed individually along with a "cue
sheet".  The box and the cue sheet should have a catalog number written
on them.  The reel itself may or may not be numbered.  Try to not mix 
the tapes, boxes, and cue sheets. 

By all means, your students and faculty should have access to the tapes.
This is particularly true if if you cannot find a copy of the catalog. 
Someone should re-catalog them into a computer data base.  There are 
people who have a genuine interest in preserving and catalogging the past. 
These people should not be denied the privilege.  Unless you have been 
told otherwise by the donor, you should allow copies to be made for 
personal use.  Sometimes a person will do the catalogging at no cost if 
allowed to make copies of programs for his/her personal collection. 

Everybody's collection is different, and although many programs are 
common, others are not - and sound quality varies among collections. 
The tapes you have may contain unique or rare material.  It is history
as well as information and education.   If you have not already done so,
you might listen to a few programs.  You will hear that most of them  
contain proper speech and grammar, good acting, intellegent news reports,
along with great wit and humor.  Just listening to the tapes can be an 
education.  

Your posting brings up a point that should be of concern to all of us.
What will happen to our collections?   I thought the local library would
be thrilled to have mine.  Such is not the case.   Fortunately, Evan's
collection wound up in good hands.  

Happy Taping -   Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois 
kenpiletic@[removed] 

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Date: 26 Apr 96 16:04:52 EDT
From: "Robert I. Scherago" <[removed]@[removed]>
To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Commercials on the OTR forum
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

On Thursday, April 25's edition of the OTR Airwaves, Chet Cox answered an OTR
question, then slipped in a commercial for the Mormon Church! The Airwaves was
established, I thought, for the interchange of ideas and information about OTR,
not a forum for anyone with a product or philosophy to try to market it or
proselytize to a wide and diverse audience. If I'm mistaken, and anyone with a
personal agenda can talk about and/or sell any product or idea, then I'll be
happy to share my ideas about religion, deities, and  other mythologies. I don't
think that's the intent, and hope Mr. Cox and others will resist using the OTR
Airwaves for their own selfish motives.

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Date: 26 Apr 96 17:46:44 EDT
From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: OTR
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

>Charlie Laughlin wrote:
>So, that said, my social scientist mind wants to know from all of my
>friends on the Digest, how real is this hypothesis that there are two
>mindsets represented on this Digest?  Are some of you more like me and
>others of you more like, say, Bruce (sorry for singling you out
>there!) who appears to mean by OTR an actual, definable historical
>period?

Just want to cast my vote with you, Charlie.  I grew up in the OTR era (40s/50s)
so, for me, much of OTR is nostalgic as well as good listening.  Listening to an
old Fibber McGee or Jack Benny or Lone Ranger, etc. is like walking into a
bakery and inhaling aromas that bring back wonderful memories of my
grandmother's kitchen.  But the real test of that bakery is in the tasting -- If
it doesn't taste good, I won't come back, regardless of the nostalgic pull.
With radio, its good listening that really holds my interest.  A lot of
programs/episodes broadcast in 30s, 40s and 50s were, at best, mediocre or
worse, including individual episodes of many of the most popular and successful
shows (not unlike TV today).  But what was good, was very, very good and is
still good listening today.   The same is true of any radio efforts today --
whether its from the BBC, CBC, PBS or The Cape Cod Mystery Players -- not
everything works, but when its good, its a joy to listen.   

In recent years, some of the best radio drama I have listened to has come from
the BBC.  I lived in England for 4 years in the mid-60s and came to appreciate
BBC radio -- both drama and comedy (I developed an ear for the dialects).   

I truly love good radio for its creativity, imagination, imaginary and
entertainment value -- whatever the source or whenever it was produced.  (And
that includes Stan Freberg and Chickenman!)  

This is just my 2 shillings worth (c. 16 cents)  -- I also appreciate anyone who
views OTR from the historic perspective -- without the efforts of many of you,
we wouldn't have the documentation, books, tapes, etc. available for us to enjoy
and learn more about OTR.   I think there's room on the Digest -- and in the
hobby -- for both views.    We all share a love of radio as an entertainment
medium, even if we don't all always agree about specific programs or performers.

Alan Chapman

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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 19:43:49 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: rickh@[removed]
Subject: Alien Worlds
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

On Thu, 25 Apr 96 12:18:01 -0400
RICK HARTNETT wrote:
>
>Can anyone tell me anything about this series.  I got a tape of it that said
>[removed], but the accents sound more US.

Alien Worlds is the work of J. Michael Straczynski, whose current work is as
the creator of Babylon 5 on syndicated television.

It was produced and broadcast in 1979 and revolves around the goings on at a
space station and the interplanetary peacekeepers there.

There were 26 episodes broadcast plus, I believe, 9 never broadcast and one
interview with the creator.

Definitely, American.  BTW, Straczynski used to be an exec. producer for
Murder, She Wrote too.

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Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          
AOL: JimWidner                            

                                                 

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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:56:25 -0700
From: Hames Marshall <hmarshal@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Program histories
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Greetings;

I work for a radio station here in Victoria Britsh Columbia, Canada. 
We've recently purchased over 500 hours of Old Time Radio Shows. 
Unfortunately these have not come with and background or bio material on 
the shows and I am stuck with the job of finding some interesting 
material to write up for the announcers when introducing the shows. 

	Does anyone know an online resource that would have program 
histories. [removed]; a description of the show, when it ran, who was on it, 
interesting trivia and stuff? If so, please feel free to Email me at 
<hmarshal@[removed]>

	Any help would be greatly appreciated.

	Hames Marshall.

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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:02:18 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Earliest broadcast available
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Not to get this started again, I believe sometime back a question came up as
to what the earliest broadcast available might be?  Can't recall if it was
asked as the "earliest network broadcast" or not, but the Library of
Congress has the following available in its archives:

September 12, 1924: National Defense Day with John J. Pershing, John W.
Weeks and others. via WEAF 1 hr.

This might be the earliest I am aware of.

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Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          
AOL: JimWidner                            

                                                 

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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 00:37:28 -0400
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Book
Message-ID: <960427003727_383976974@[removed]>

Radio's Morning Show Personalities: 27 Early Hour Broadcasters and Deejays
from the 1920's to the 1990's by Philip Lieberman: McFarland & Company; 213
pp. $[removed]  To order call 1-800-253-2187.  In addition to articles about 27
major morning people, Lieberman lists with a sentence or two many other
morning personalites.  Some of the significant morning people are The
Gamblings, Gene Rayburn, Arthur Godfrey, Bob Steele, Buffalo Bob Smith and
many others.

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