Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #99
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                      The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                         Volume 01 : Issue 99
                   A Part of the [removed]!
                           ISSN: 1533-9289


                           Today's Topics:

 Re: "lost" Welles Lady Esther shows  ["Michael Ogden" <michaelo67@hotmail]
 Re: WGN                              [Cnorth6311@[removed]                 ]
 erroneous memory and informational s ["Art Shifrin" <goldens2@[removed]]
 genesis of characters on radio shows ["Art Shifrin" <goldens2@[removed]]
 Logs                                 ["Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@eart]
 Extended Children's Hour             ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
 Roy Rogers and the Lone Ranger       ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
 Frank Buck and Jack Armstrong        ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
 PHIL HARRIS JR??                     ["Frosty R. Povick" <Frosty@prodigy.]
 Short, Short Story                   ["Welsa" <welsa@[removed];        ]
 Re: Re-Enactments                    ["Stewart Wright" <stewwright@worldn]
 JOE DU VAL                           [Bob & Ronna Rutishauser <solons@ear]
 Revised Script information           [JayHick@[removed]                    ]
 Reporting During World War II        [JJJ445@[removed]                     ]
 Jim Jordan on TVLand Thursday        ["ron jorgenson" <rjorgenson@safepla]
 Memories of Voices                   [Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed]]

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:05:43 -0500
From: "Michael Ogden" <michaelo67@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: "lost" Welles Lady Esther shows

J. Alec inquired about two Orson Welles shows from the 1941-42 Lady Esther
series--"The Apple Tree" (1/12/42) and "My Little Boy" (1/19/42)--and
wondered whether or not they really deserved the status of "missing" or
"lost." Not really, since copies exist in at least two archives that I know
of--the Orson Welles Collection at Indiana University and, also, Pacific
Pioneer Broadcasters. Nevertheless, they're a good find, Alec, because I
don't believe they're out in circulation among collectors all that much
(nor, for that matter, are many of the other Lady Esther shows). I have
copies of both, but darned if I can remember where they came from! I think
from a trade with a friend rather than from a dealer source.

Speaking in a larger sense, in terms of Welles radio material, we can count
ourselves darn fortunate that so much has survived. I would guestimate that
roughly 80-85% of the shows that he personally directed still exist, in and
out of archives. Much of this is due to the efforts and the foresight of the
late Richard Wilson, a Welles colleague (and, later, business partner) from
1937 to 1947. Dick was the "saver" of the Mercury Theatre. He collected
everything having to do with his association with Orson, and at the time
that his collection went to its permanent archival home at Indiana
University, it numbered some 20,000 items.

The only Welles series that seems to be completely lost ([removed] no recordings
have been found) is the 1945 opinion-and-discussion program ORSON WELLES
PEACE CONFERENCE FORUM. I think at one time Jerry H. did list one show under
a PEACE CONFERENCE FORUM heading, but it was from a slightly later date than
the Welles series would have been.

Mike Ogden

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:05:45 -0500
From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: WGN

* 1924 - WGN-AM in Chicago IL begins radio transmissions

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:05:47 -0500
From: "Art Shifrin" <goldens2@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  erroneous memory and informational source issues

I think that factual accuracy is critical to our interest.  However,
challenges and corrections to postings should be courteous.  Anything even
smacking of mean spiritedness would dissuade veterans such as Owens from
contributing to this list serve and that would be appalling and sad.   I
KNOW that I suffer from faulty memory and at least remember enough to check
my facts or at least question what I recall!

About publications: for multiple reasons, they can be grossly erroenous.  I
encountered a juicy example when years ago,  I started researching
pre-Vitaphone talking pictures.  Terry Ramsay's extensive, two volume film
history "A Million and One Nights" was published in 1926 yet omits any
mention of Edison's Kinetophone of 1913. (which was drastically different
from the Kinetophone of the 1890's).  He cites other processes whose public
exposures were were mere blips as compared to Kinetophone, but not that.
The reason?  It's my speculation that he didn't want to, or was told not to
embarrass "The Old Man" by stirring up memories of a debacle.  I presume
that he could not have been ignorant of a major marketing effort made merely
13 years prior to the publication date, when he cites much more old and
obscure facts.

Best,
Shiffy
check out my website: [removed]

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:05:48 -0500
From: "Art Shifrin" <goldens2@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  genesis of characters on radio shows

Hi Gang,

Thanks to those of you who replied to my inquiry about Foghorn / Claghorn
(speaking of lousy memory, is that Klaghorn or Claghorn?).

I have an Alan Young show of 2/17/45 that I taped about 30 years ago from
disks in Raymond Scott's collection (I'd totally forgotten about this until
reading one of the helpful replies) and will check it for Delmar's presence.
According to my notes in my database, it's a mediocre show.  But if Delmar's
on it, then it deserves a second listening in 30 [removed]

This matter also brings to mind the Shane McCoy character evidently debuted
on the Columbia Workshop.  It clearly evolved into "Archie" in "Duffy's
Tavern".  The ones I have, all of which I transferred years ago from 16"
lacquers are: "Miracle In Manhattan",
"Baseball Eyes, The Cockeyed Wonder" and "The Major Goes Over the Hill", and
"The Canvass Kisser".  (all 1940) For those of you not familiar with them,
they're all delightful.   The baseball one is (my opinion) the best:  a
terrific 1/2 hour farce about a chap who detests baseball but has slow
motion vision when drinking alcohol.  To appease his girlfriend he winds up
(no pun intended) playing ball professionally and becomes a virually perfect
player.  The cast also includes Richard Widmark and William Bendix.

And speaking of other favorite whimsical CWS's, mine are "The Man With The
One Track Mind" (ecstasy guaranteed to any train buff!) and "Fish Story".
I'm deliberately setting this category aside from the serious ones, such as
"A Crop Of Beans", "Soundtrack Of The Life Of A Careful Man", "Use Of Man",
and Corwin's [removed]


Best,
Shiffy
check out my website: [removed]

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:05:51 -0500
From: "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Logs

Does anyone know where I can get a log of the available shows of AMOS and
ANDY and Charlie McCarthy? I have been able to find one at either Lou Genco
[removed] site or Jerry H? site.

Any help would be appreciated.

Mike Kerezman

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:06:24 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Extended Children's Hour

Tas Richardson notes,

Stephen was wondering how I managed to listen to both Superman and Jack
Armstrong as they were on at the same time where he was.

I wasn't wondering; I was envying!  I'd noted that some of the shows I'd
heard precluded me hearing others, and Tas R. had the capability of
hearing what to me were competing shows.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:07:30 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Roy Rogers and the Lone Ranger

Randy Cox notes, anent books based on OTR,

Dan Hughes mentions similarities between parts of one of the Lone
Ranger books and one of the Whitman Roy Rogers books -- _Roy Rogers and
the Gopher creek Gunman_ is signed "Don Middleton" which has been
identified as a pseudonym used by Fran Striker.

Umm ... is it plagiarism if you copy from yourself?  :-)

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:08:01 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Frank Buck and Jack Armstrong

Richard Fisher asks, speaking of Frank Buck and associated premiums,

Could Jack Armstrong or some other show have sent out Frank Buck
premiums?  Tumbusch seems to indicate that their was a Frank Buck show in
this time period. I know Jack Armstrong offered the Explorer's Sun Dial
Watch a Frank Buck premium as Frank Buck was printed on the face of the
watch. However this was in 1949.

Frank Buck was well known in the 1940s.  He even appeared in the 1949
Abbott & Costello film, Africa Screams.  One thing I liked about the
Explorer Sun Dial Watch was that the watch-face dial was luminous.  I
always suspected that it was so you could use it at night. :-)

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:08:27 -0500
From: "Frosty R. Povick" <Frosty@[removed];
To: OTR Rountable <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  PHIL HARRIS JR??

Bill Harris writes:

Just saw this in our weekly town newspaper. Phil Harris Jr. of
Keller, Tx died Thursday, March 13, 2001 at a hospital in
Kilkenny, Ireland. He was 65. ---He is preceded in death by
his parents, Phil Harris and Alice Faye.

Everything I've read about Phil Harris and Alice Faye, and all
I remember, states they had two daughters, Phyllis and Alice.
I have never heard any mention of a son by any name.

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:08:55 -0500
From: "Welsa" <welsa@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Short, Short Story

I just came into possession of a script for a series called Short, Short
Story.  It was sponsored by Campbell's Soup.  The particular episode I have
is Monday, January 29, 1940.  It was show number 4 and it is called "Good
Salesman".  Agnes Moorehead starred in this episode.

George Putnam was the announcer and the program was on CBS.

Anyone know anything about this show?  How long it was on the air?  Was this
a daytime show?  The script is only 17 pages long leading me to believe this
may have been a 15-minute show.

Also, I note that certain words are spelled "British" style:  favourite,
honour, etc.  Seems odd.
Wonder if that was common back then?

Ted

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:11:35 -0500
From: "Stewart Wright" <stewwright@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Re-Enactments

Gordon R Payton posted in The Old-Time Radio Digest! Volume 01 : Issue 98
Also, I'm putting the finishing touches on my first new catalog in
two years, and I've included a category which lists various re-enactments
that were done at out SPERDVAC and FOTR conventions and other
places. I'm missing some from the conventions and would very much
appreciate it if someone could supply me with the following videos
(or audios) from the Newark FOTR conventions: . . .
I am interested in videos or just audios of ANY re-enactments that have
been done by ANY organization, no matter how bad the performance or
sound/video, please contact me if you have any to share.

Questions for Gordon -
>From what you say above, it sounds like you are intending to sell these
re-enactments for your own profit.
         Are you, in fact, planning to sell them?
         If so, have you gotten permission, from the from the various
organizations - SPERDVAC, FOTR, REPS, and such - who put them on, to sell
their re-enactments?  No where in your post do I see that you have obtained
such permissions.
        Are you going to get permission from these organizations to sell
their re-enactments?

        I would like to remind the subscribers of this Digest that some
organization like Friends of Old-Time Radio use the proceeds from sales of
Convention video and audio tapes to help defray the costs of their
Conventions.  Other organizations like SPERDVAC and REPS make them available
to their members for rental through their tapes libraries.  When members
order them, they generally sign a form that they will use them for personal
use only and not sell them.

        In short, these re-enactments are available DIRECTLY from the
organizations that produced them.  They are fine organizations that are
worthy of our support.  For many years they have played a major role in
keeping the OTR hobby alive.

        If subscribers to this Digest are interested in obtaining the
re-enactments put on by these organizations, I would STRONGLY SUGGEST they
should purchase or rent the tapes directly from the organizations and not
from a third party.  The organizations went to the time, effort, and expense
to produce these re-enactments; they should be the ones to obtain what
little financial benefit there is from any sales and/or rentals.


Stewart Wright
Member of
Radio Historical Association of Colorado (RHAC)
Radio Enthusiasts of Puget Sound (REPS)
Attendee - Friends of Old-Time Radio (FOTR)

Editor - RHAC Newsletter

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:11:37 -0500
From: Bob & Ronna Rutishauser <solons@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  JOE DU VAL

Joe DuVal was quite a busy character actor during the days of OTR.  I wonder
if anyone can give a short biography of him.

He was in the Cinnamon Bear (FeFo the Giant), Damon Runyan Theater, Four
Star Playhouse, Gunsmoke and  in many other OTR shows. He was on Hopalong
Cassidy during the 1950 season, apparently replacing Andy Clyde as
California Carlson, which is not mentioned in Dunning's book.

I can find no biographical info on him and was just wondering.  He is not
listed in the Internet Movie Data Base so he was not in the movies, at least
by that name.

Thanks

Bob R.

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:11:43 -0500
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Revised Script information

There are a few additions to the script information of yesterday.  Please use
this version.

Friends of Old-Time Radio Script Contest

The Ninth annual original script writing contest is now open.  We would like
an original 30 minute script which must be based on any of the great radio
programs of the past, such as Jack Benny, Life of Riley, etc.  The only
difference this time is that they must be a comedy and must be 30 minutes in
length.  The script can have the characters originating in their original era
and time or you can update the time to today. If you have entered before and
you have not won in 2 years, please enter again.
The script must have all music and sound cues as well as all the spoken
material.  Try to arrange it in script form so it doesn’Äôt have to be
retyped.
 It must be double spaced and have large enough type.
The prize for the best script will be $200 and will have its live performance
at our 2002 convention on Thursday evening after dinner.  We would like you
to attend our convention to participate but it is not mandatory.  There will
be some rehearsal time.  There will also be a second prize winner, who will
be awarded $100, but not performed.  Scripts must be submitted by August 1,
2001.  Send to Dave Zwengler, 319 Plymouth Rd., North Brunswick, NJ 08902
(732) 940-7639.  Return receipt is not necessary.  A distinguished panel of
three judges including Arthur Anderson will pick the winning script. One of
the judges will forward detailed suggestions to non-winners for future
improvements. They must be very readable. All are eligible so please spread
the word.
Winners have been Michael Giorgio, James Nixon, Edgar Russell, III, Donald
Dortmund, Joel Senter, Arlene Osborne and Michael Leannah.  This year’Äôs
winner was K E Bibeau.

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Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:35:28 -0500
From: JJJ445@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Reporting During World War II

Here is an enjoyable book about reporting during World War II.  THE MURROW
BOYS by Stanley Cloud and Lynne Olsen. Published by Houghton Mifflin, 1996,
445 pages.  I found it as a bargain book at Borders. It tells how Edward R.
Murrow selected his team and some of the inner-workings of their broadcasting
efforts from London, Europe and New York.  It also gives a pretty good take
on what actually happened during the falling out between Murrow and William
L. Shirer.

John Jensen
Federal Way, WA

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:48:15 -0500
From: "ron jorgenson" <rjorgenson@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Jim Jordan on TVLand Thursday

Heads up! Set your VCRs!
Jim Jordan (Fibber McGee, of course) is guesting on Chico and the Man,
Thursday March 30 at 7:30AM & 11PM central time, on TVLand.

Ron Jorgenson

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:45:31 -0500
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Memories of Voices

Whenever  I think about  a radio personality who I first heard on a
children's record, I am thrilled. This has happened to me twice in recent
days.

Dr. Biel posted a note awhile ago about "Peter and the Wolf."  My first
memory of Sterling Holloway is from  a recording of "Peter and the Wolf."
His voice is so unmistakeable. It made a great impression on me and
continues to make an impression on me.

Eleanor Audley played Cinderella's stepmother on a very early Cinderella
record set. I have never forgotten her voice.    Here  she was yesterday,
playing President Truman's secretary in a late fifties episode of the
Jack Benny television program. The star  was visiting the Truman Library.
At the end of the episode, you hear Benny playing his  violin with Truman
allegedly accompanying on the piano. Audley holds open the door while we
just listen. She cackles a bit and the memory of Cinderella comes reeling
back.

It would be logical for many early radio stars to have performed  on
childrens' records.

I first heard the voices of Joe E. Brown and Claude Rains from a record
player.  I was doubly delighted when I saw them  later in other venues.

Perhaps you have had similar experiences with other personalities. I am
sure my experience is far from unique.

Dennis Crow

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