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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2002 : Issue 108
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Re: When and Where [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Dave Warren Passes Away [ "Audio Classics (R) Archive" <cus ]
Re: Archie Shows [ "" <cooldown3@[removed]; ]
Archie Shows [ "gary hagan" <grhagan@[removed]; ]
Singing Sam [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
RE: ARCHIE ON CABLE?/HENRY MORGAN SH [ "Larry" <larryuhl@[removed]; ]
Re: "Archie" costs [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
re ARCHIE ON CABLE? [ John Henley <jhenley@[removed] ]
Never the twain shall meet [ Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed] ]
Thanks for the WJR memory [ "Edward Loyer" <Edward_Loyer@umich. ]
Fred Allen and Gene Autry [ "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@ho ]
Galaxy and X Minus One [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
Henry, Morey, and Yiddish Radio [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
Thanks to Old Time Radio People [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Lone Ranger lunch boxes [ "William Harper" <whhsa@[removed] ]
Dave Warren [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]
Archie Andrews tapes [ thomas karl <mortimersnerd52@yahoo. ]
LOC radio shows [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:22:00 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: OldRadio Mailing Lists <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: When and Where
Gary Hagan and Sean Dougherty recently posted some nice comments about me.
Modesty prevents me from repeating them. But I just wanted to say thanks,
and respond to questions they both asked.
Gary wanted to know;
When will you come to a REPS showcase?
Whenever they care to invite me, Gary. I had lots of fun at the REPS
meeting, and would enjoy seeing all you folks again. But you have to keep in
mind that there are a great many OTR stars on the West Coast, and the club
has to spread around the invitations based on Budget considerations,
Recreations planned, etc.
Sean also opined;
I hope you're in Seattle this year and Newark again someday.
For what it's worth, you guys ...It addition to the upcoming Cincinnati
Convention (Wow, how time flies'...that's less than a month away)...I'll be
attending the FOTR Convention in NY/NJ (I think that's in October), and if
SPERDVAC has a Convention this year, (which I am led to understand is quite
likely), there has also been some preliminary discussions about my attending
that one as well.
Hey "Digesters" (that sounds funny)...If any of you folks are in those
regions, come on out and support these Conventions. If you haven't been to
one, they really are a lot of fun. (At least I certainly enjoy myself) and
the OTR fans (and Dealers) that attend are a great bunch of folks. It will
be fun meeting any and all of my Digest "pen pals". And as most of you
already [removed] Hastings regularly attends all of these Conventions. You
never know what will happen when we both get together and playfully "zing"
each other with ad-libs. Who said Vaudeville was dead?
Sean also commented in his posting, when recalling a 1994 FOTR [removed]
Maybe you remember the youngish (by FOTR standards) brown haired guy with
glasses from the night they did "the Shadow."
Yikes, Kiddo! (You said "youngish", right)? You must [removed]'m "oldish"
and my memory ain't what it used to be. (But I'm still pretty good with
faces).
But I distinctly remember one thing about the night they did the "Shadow"
recreation. The Convention organizers had fun by actually dressing up the
well known Actor who played the [removed] with long black cape and
broad brimmed [removed] then sneaked him onstage, and hid him behind a screen
during the performance. (Totally out of view of the audience).
Then they had an audience participation contest. People were asked to write
down the name of the actor who's "voice" they thought they recognized as
having played the part. The votes were tallied and announced [removed] Would
you [removed] actually got one vote!
Later that evening, Jay Hickerson presented me with an FOTR award, and in my
acceptance speech, I thanked whoever it was that voted for me, and did the
Shadows' famous line with "Jugheads" squeaky [removed] to prove how wrong
they were.
1994? Eight years ago you say? I remember that fun evening as if it were
yesterday. I'll be sure to look for a brown haired guy wearing glasses this
year.
Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:53:16 -0500
From: "Audio Classics (R) Archive" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Dave Warren Passes Away
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Just a quick note to the Digest folks, received word this morning that
Dave Warren passed away last night about 7:30 [removed] For years I've always
yelled across a room "Hi Senator!" the first time I seen Dave at each OTR
convention we attended. It was an "in joke" between us growing from his
earlier re-creations of Senator Claghorn bits at past OTR conventions.
Many will miss Dave, he was a very dear person and I'm glad that OTR
brought Dave and I together as friends.
Terry Salomonson
Audio Classics Archive
Broadcast Audio Restoration, Preservation and Archives
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:53:43 -0500
From: "" <cooldown3@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Archie Shows
Hello,
As A long time lover of Archie and other saturday am shows I have tried to
find some but have had no real success. I would certainly like to be
notified if they are made available for purchase in an mp3 format. I am on
social security now so price is a consideration, but if a large amount are
released please consider the ability to purchase one cd at a time for me and
others like me.
I presently have the following
46-07-27 Drugstore Mixup
46-10-19 Plumbing Woes
47-03-15 Red Cross Benefit
47-08-09 Taking A Bath
47-12-13 Christmas Shopping
48-05-15 The Hiccups
48-06-12 Archie Fights A Cold
48-07-13 Sun Burned
48-07-17 Mr Andrews Wallpapers A Room
48-08-07 Suffering From The Heat
48-08-21 Going On A Picnic
48-09-04 The Big Dance
48-09-11 Borrowing A tire Jack
48-09-18 Archie's In Love
48-10-30 Halloween Party
48-11-13 A Good Nights' Sleep
48-12-14 Job At The Drugstore
48-xx-xx Dinner At A Resturant
49-05-21 New T V
51-06-03 The Economy Program
xx-xx-xx Football Tickets
which I found on line. They are nice but i would certainly buy a cleaned up
version and a full copy of all that are released.
Yours truly
Patrick Belanger
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:53:56 -0500
From: "gary hagan" <grhagan@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Archie Shows
Not wanting to plug anyone but I happened to notice a Archie tapes set on
the Radio Spirits website. A lot of interest lately!
Gary
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:40:40 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Singing Sam
tsunami1000@[removed] wrote:
I'd like to ask your old radio audience has anyone ever heard of Singing Sam?
I don't recall what shows he was on, but you can here a sample of his work on
the two _Themes Like Old Times_ albums. He does the intros.
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:08:13 -0500
From: "Larry" <larryuhl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: RE: ARCHIE ON CABLE?/HENRY MORGAN SHOW
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There was an Archie cartoon show that ran around 1969 for a few years and even
had a spin off of Jossie and the Pussycats. The #1 pop song of 1969 was Sugar
Sugar, by the Archies. I grew up watching them and only recently found out
that Archie was an OTR show, even though I have been an OTR fan since the
first time I "discovered" CBS Radio Mystery Theather, and was absolutly
capivated by radio shows, which up to that time, were only known from stories
from my family. To a child growing up on TV in the 60's, having your mother
explain why our cat was named Riley after a radio show was to say the least a
strange idea, yet here I am 30+ years later listening to OTR with my kids and
my [removed] : )
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:38:27 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: "Archie" costs
On 3/20/02 10:26 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:
I think the $[removed] figure would just be a drop in the bucket. Elizabeth is
in more of a position to give a more authorative answer to this but I would
think it would be a bit more complicated that just $[removed]
Correct. The $4000 figure is simply the lab fee charged by the LOC for
duplicating the master tapes -- and that assumes the duplication is being
done for an individual on a strictly non-commercial basis. Under such an
agreement, the programs *could not legally be circulated in any way* by
the person obtaining them. The contract you have to sign is very specific
about this, and is fully enforceable under the law -- it's not some
casual handshake deal. NBC has teeth.
Any plan for commercially *selling* the programs would require that deals
be negotiated with Archie Comics and NBC, and anyone else who might have
a legal claim on the content of the programs. These rightsholders would
be in a position to essentially dictate their own terms: a lump cash
payment up front, a percentage of sales skimmed right off the top, a
percentage of profits after expenses are deducted, or whatever else they
might want to do.
Even with the $4000 lab fee, post-production would be needed to prepare
the materials for release. LOC transfers are done as individual discs --
meaning each side of each program is separate. In the case of "Archie,"
the programs are preserved in fifteen minute segments rather than as
continuous half-hours, and someone would have to be hired to reassemble
the halves into complete shows before reissue. This is not an especially
difficult job, but it is a tedious one, and studio time doesn't come
cheap for such things -- and depending on the condition of the discs,
noise reduction might be in order, adding even more expense to be
reckoned in. The point is, this is probably a project for someone with a
lot of resources and a lot of capital, not a small coalition of
collectors.
Elizabeth
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:04:24 -0500
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: re ARCHIE ON CABLE?
Kevin Michaels asked,
I was surfing the cable channels the other day, and happened to see the
Cartoon Network showing what I thought was an Archie Andrews Cartoon Show.
Was I mistaken?
I imagine not. "The Archie Show" was a Saturday morning half-hour
cartoon feature in the late 1960s, and I think it was on CBS. It was
in the nature of competition - albeit animated - to NBC's The Monkees.
"The Archies" even put out several 45 RPM records, the first of which
was a hit. Maybe some remember it - "Sugar Sugar"? (Yikes, I'm
sorry to bring that up. The very definition of "bubble gum music.")
I am presuming that is what Kevin saw. IMDB indicates that the show
was repackaged a few times, lastly as "The New Archie/Sabrina Hour"
in 1977. But I stopped watching such fare around the same time as
the original was on.
John Henley
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:15:59 -0500
From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Never the twain shall meet
Ryan Hall asks about script revisions between East and West Coast
broadcasts.
I can't remember ever having revisions between the two. Ryan also seems to
imply that the East Coast broadcast was a rehearsal for the West. That is
not so. Each was given equal emphasis. If changes were to occur it would
not be a quick revision because there was a three-hour time lag between the
broadcasts. Also, there was no rehearsal time for the repeat. Actors had to
show up for the broadcast about five minutes before going on the air
unless it was an audience show where the actors were introduced. True, on a
few occasions actors didn't show up and there were revisions but not to the
script. Usually other actors took over their roles.
In one instance that I can recall, an actor left a wakeup call with his call
service and the service thought it was for the next morning instead of that
evening. When we went on the air the producer didn't notice his absence
and the other actors assumed he was just late. The missing actor was playing
two roles. As his first entrance was coming up Tony Barrett and I, both of
us doubling, divided up the missing two roles between us and we tripled.
Worked fine. The producer was a little surprised.
Harry Bartell
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:11:48 -0500
From: "Edward Loyer" <Edward_Loyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Thanks for the WJR memory
Adding a couple more names to the late-50's through 60's WJR Detroit memories.
At 8:15 every weekday we had Bud Guest's commentary and following the Jack
Harris Open House came Karl Haas and Adventures in Good Music which is a
Peabody
winner and still in syndication. I remember Jay Robert's show as Night Flight
760 and what a way to enter the night it was. Thanks for the Memories (as long
as we are talking about the Big Broadcast)
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:12:09 -0500
From: "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fred Allen and Gene Autry
Hey Folks,
I had a request at the Fred Allen Forum that I'd like to pass along. Let's
see if we can help:
"Does anyone know where you can get a copy of the Fred Allen show, broadcast
on Oct. 18, 1939 where he had Gene Autry as a guest? If not a recording of
the show, then a transcript?"
Can anyone help? I haven't ordered my Hickerson yet, so I can't tell if the
show exists or not. I know most of the Allen from that time aren't with us
anymore.
Thanks.
OTR fans are the best.
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:47:18 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Galaxy and X Minus One
Joe Ross writing in Digest #107:
What brought X Minus One back in the 70s was the fact that Galaxy
Magazine, its sponsor
in the 1950s, decided to revive the show in syndication, thinking either
that they owned the
trademark rights to the title or at least that NBC had abandoned those
rights.
One point of clarification. Galaxy was never a SPONSOR of X Minus One.
There was a relationship between the magazine and the network to provide
storylines to be adapted in exchange for advertisement in their magazine.
Though Galaxy did not hold full rights to the stories (the writers did get
paid something, but it was small) they would provide a number of stories
for the producers to determine which one(s) to adapt.
Even the NBC Radio records do not list Galaxy as a sponsor. The series
initially began with "cooperation with Street & Smith." This was because
the first 35 episodes were either remakes from the Dimension X series
(which S & S provided the storylines) or original scripts by Kinoy and/or
Lefferts. Beginning with Episode 36, "The Cave of Night" the storylines
came from the pages of Galaxy Magazine, again except for the original
scripts. Van Woodward, one original producers mentioned that the stories
were delivered to NBC for about $50 a story - so very little went to the
writers. Sometimes even the writer's credit was left off, then corrected
the next week after the writer complained.
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:53:18 -0500
From: Grbmd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Henry, Morey, and Yiddish Radio
A few days ago I asked about two comedians I enjoyed on New York radio
stations back in the Forties, and later I noted I had heard an announcement
about a series on Yiddish radio. I'd like to respond to all three topics in
this one message. That way I save postage. (Gangster: "Your money or your
life." Benny: "I'm thinking! I'm thinking!")
(1) I had mentioned I listened to Henry Morgan on a New York station back in
the Forties, and I wondered if it was local or network and whether any tapes
might exist. One member of the Digest said it was heard on a Los Angeles
station. Also, an off-Digest reply I received said it was heard on a
Virginia station with local ads inserted; also that there were some tapes
existing from December 1949 and later.
By September 1948 I was off to college and by '49 didn't listen to Henry
anymore, so the shows I was talking about were broadcast earlier in the
Forties. It's possible that he started out as a local [removed] program and later
it went network. As I wrote before, he did at least one ad himself, that for
Adler Elevator Shoes, when he kidded "old man Adler." Maybe he did other ads
himself too, or maybe all the ads; I just can't recall. I don't recall
inserted ads.
(2) I haven't heard any replies about Morey Amsterdam. Did nobody else
listen to a show at maybe 7 [removed] [removed] (it was after supper) that involved
comedy and music? Again, this would have been in the era of 1941 to 1948.
And do any tapes exist?
(3) Someone replied to me off-Digest about the Yiddish radio series.
Unfortunately, dumb me clicked the Delete button by mistake and he/she was
gone forever. The question, however, was on what NPR program I heard that
announcement, so I hope our dear departed catches this reply. I was
listening this past Monday to NPR's "All Things Considered," which in
Baltimore starts at 4 [removed] [removed] The announcement was that on that same
program, beginning the next day, Tuesday, and on nine following Tuesdays,
there would be a 10-part series on Yiddish radio, from mainly the Thirties
and Forties, as broadcast by a New York station.
I caught that first episode, which was interesting, and I hope I'll get to
hear the following nine.
Here's hoping this all-purpose reply reaches the intended audiences.
(There'll be no repeat for the West Coast. And it won't be taped.)
Spence
(where I'm still on the East Coast, but now living in Maryland)
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:10:23 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Thanks to Old Time Radio People
I want to take this opportunity to thank all of the people on this list and
everywhere else who have worked in old time radio. Hal, Harry, Conrad and all
of the others that I am not aware of. You have given me many years of
enjoyment. I know that to you it was just a job, but to me it was something
more. I guess I can best be described an an elderly (politically correct for
old and decrepit) old time radio groupie. It is my hobby and it is my main
form of entertainment. I would also like to thank the likes of Jim Cox who
keep old time radio alive by writing about it. I will buy every book about old
time radio that comes out.
Another subject. In 1924 Harlan F. Stone was Attorney General for Calvin
Coolidge. Is there any connection between that Harlan Stone and Jughead? Hal
would be the obvious one to answer, but maybe someone else would know.
Yet on another subject. On June 8th the Jack Benny Plaza and Statue dedication
will take place in Waukegan, Illinois from 1 to 5 [removed] at Genesee and Clayton
Streets in downtown Waukegan. For further information you can call (847)
599-2525
Thanx.
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:32:17 -0500
From: "William Harper" <whhsa@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Lone Ranger lunch boxes
Folks;
I just heard from General Foods ~ no more Cheerios/Lone Ranger lunch box
offer.
Bill
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:45:32 -0500
From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Dave Warren
Though I think I've only met him once, I wanted to publically say how
sorry I am to hear of Dave Warren's passing, and to express my
condolences to the many friends he had on this list, and to his surviving
family. He was well loved by so many in the hobby, his influence will be
missed.
rodney.
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 20:46:04 -0500
From: thomas karl <mortimersnerd52@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Archie Andrews tapes
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I don't recall anyone mentioning the Radio Spirits catalog during the course
of the Archie tapes discussion the past few days but they do offer a 6-pack
of 90 minute tapes offering 18 shows.
I have to confess that before meeting Hal at the REPS meeting in Seattle a
few months ago I had not really listened to Archie. But after having the
pleasure of meeting him I found a few Archie tapes, gave them a listen, and
am now hooked. Who ever would have suspected that getting a new TV could
lead to such bedlam ??
Thomas Karl
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Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:15:18 -0500
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: LOC radio shows
I have had some success in the past of getting radio broadcast out of the
Library of Congress that NBC has donated. Right now I can not get NBC to
give any permission on any project that I am working on. So people who
would like to get the Archie show out might have to be patient, and be
willing to pay $86 a hour for the recordings. Take care,
Walden
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