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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2007 : Issue 105
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Commercials [ "Bill" <nbcblue@[removed]; ]
The Lone Ranger's Speech Patterns [ LSMFTnolonger@[removed] ]
Radio commercials [ Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed]; ]
Editing of Old Radio [ "Paul Thompson" <beachcrows@sbcglob ]
The Lone Hornet! [ "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@bas ]
OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK [ "Jerry Haendiges" <jerryhaendiges@c ]
4-2 births/deaths [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
Editing Out Commercials [ "Robert Dawson" <robertdaws@hotmail ]
Re: Damon Runyon Diction-no contract [ Brent Pellegrini <brentpl@rocketmai ]
And all the Little Godfreys [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
OTR Ads Versus TV Ads [ Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed]; ]
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:30:17 -0400
From: "Bill" <nbcblue@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Commercials
Cnorth6311@[removed] comments:
Here is the real mystery. Today, when watching Television, I normally mute
the sound so I don't have to listen to the commercials. If I have Tevo'd a
show, I fast forward through the commercials for the same reason. Could
someone please give me a logical explanation for that sort of behavior?
Also, I would love to know if anyone else does, or, has the same feelings
I have about this matter. Why would I love commercials on OTR, and hate
them on Television? It defy's all reasoning to me.
I do the same thing. I think the reasoning is simple, 99 and 44/100% of the
commercials on TV today are loud, silly, stupid, obnoxious, and seemed to be
aimed at the lowest common denominator at best. Commercials on OTR were
often a seemless part of the program and they didn't scream in you face,
sometimes as funny as the program itself, and
in a thirty minute program you would have three commercials, at the
beginning, half way through and at the end. On TV it seems there are more
commercials than programming, in an hour of programming, 20 minutes will be
commercials. I love the mute on the TV and the fast forward on the recorder.
Bill H.
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:30:42 -0400
From: LSMFTnolonger@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Lone Ranger's Speech Patterns
During the one season that Clayton Moore did not play The Lone Ranger on
TV, his role was taken over by John Hart.
I interviewed John Hart for a magazine in the 1970's and he told me at
that time that when he was filming The Lone Ranger television series, he
was given strict guidelines on The Lone Ranger's speech patterns. He was
told that The Lone Ranger never used slang and never used contractions.
Am I correct when I believe that Brace Beemer followed the same
guidelines for his portrayal of The Lone Ranger on radio?
Gregory R. Jackson, Jr.
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:31:13 -0400
From: Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Radio commercials
I enjoy OTR commercials as a part of the programs, to a certain extent.
That extent ends when I'm listening to several episodes of the same
program, one after the other, with the same commercials in every episode.
When these shows were heard with a day or week between airings, it wasn't
so bad. But to hear Mrs. Beach spend two minutes praising Crisco (with
the same words, the same script) every 15 minutes while listening to a
stack of Vic & Sade episodes will drive even the most tolerant listener
up the wall.
---Dan
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 19:31:49 -0400
From: "Paul Thompson" <beachcrows@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Editing of Old Radio
Charlie North wrote in part:
I find it upsetting, and frustrating when I purchase, or download,
a program where either the commercials, or the bridge music has
been [removed] Why delete any of a program that is historically
important, whether it is music, or words? Here is the real mystery.
Today, when watching Television, I normally mute the sound so I
don't have to listen to the commercials. If I have Tevo'd a show, I
fast forward through the commercials for the same reason. Could
someone please give me a logical explanation for that sort of
behavior? ....Why would I love commercials on OTR, and hate them on
Television? It defy's all reasoning to me. <<
You are not alone Charlie, I am also very irritated to no end when I
find that commercials, opening or closing segments are edited or
deleted in a radio program. I can accept well done shortening of the
minute long musical bridges of some syndicated series that allowed
time for individual stations to insert their commercials without
stopping the transcription turntable (The Lone Ranger and Shadow of
FuManchu come to mind) but beyond that ##&$!!%#.
As to the "mystery" of why we find old radio commercials acceptable
and today's television spots [removed] it may well be that, in my mind's
eye anyway, the commercials in old radio were very much an integral
part of the show and not heard as obtrusive interruptions. As an
example, for years Roma Wines was associated with Suspense, Wildroot
with Sam Spade and Lipton Tea with Inner Sanctum and their names were
associated with both the opening and closing signatures so that the
commercials just seemed to logically fit in with a minimum of
distraction. Fast forward a few years toward the end of the golden age
and as companies dropped individual sponsorship of programs along came
the variety of spot announcements with no real association with the
show and they too became an irritation (Johnny Dollar in the sixties
for example). Ironically, early network television was very much like
early radio where a company owned the show and their commercials
seemed to belong to the show and were far less irritating than the
variety of spot announcements in any of today's [removed] which I also
mute!
Paul Thompson
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:37:31 -0400
From: "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The Lone Hornet!
OK, so we all know that Britt Reid (The Green Hornet) is Ranger Reid (The
Lone Ranger's) great nephew (or grand nephew, depending on what school of
genealogy you subscribe to.) But my question is: How do we know that? Was
it mentioned either in late episodes of the Ranger or early episodes of the
Hornet?
Ted
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Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 21:37:43 -0400
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:52:15 -0400
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 4-2 births/deaths
April 2nd births
04-02-1840 - Emile Zola - Paris, France - d. 9-28-1902
author: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
04-02-1864 - Dr. Frank H. Vizetelly - d. 12-20-1938
etymologist: Education talks on words; coach for CBS announcers
04-02-1878 - Leo Curley - NYC - d. 4-11-1960
actor: Ed Jackson "Backstage Wife"; Mike Shaw "Tom Mix"
04-02-1884 - Charles M. Courboin - Antwerp, Belgium - d. 4-13-1973
organ virtuoso: weekly half hour concert broadcast on NBC Red in 1940
04-02-1892 - Marjorie Child Husted - d. 12-23-1986
First radio voice of Betty Crocker
04-02-1907 - Luke Appling - High Point, NC - d. 1-3-1991
baseball great: "Tops in Sport"
04-02-1908 - Buddy Ebsen - Belleville, IL - d. 7-6-2003
actor: "Hollywood Hotel"
04-02-1911 - Bill Days - St. Louis, MO - d. 5-6-2002
singer: (Member Sportsmen Quartet) "Jack Benny Program"
04-02-1913 - Fran Carlon - Indianapolis, IN - d. 10-4-1993
actor: Lorelei Kilbourne "Big Town"; Bunny Mitchell "Story of Mary
Marlin"
04-02-1914 - Alec Guinness - London, England - d. 8-5-2000
actor: "Kaleidoscope"
04-02-1917 - Gertrude Warner - Hartford, CT - d. 1-26-1986
actor: Margo Lane "The Shadow"; Christy Allen "Against the Storm"
04-02-1919 - Charles Frederick Lindsley - Minnesota - d. 9-2-1990
judge: "Noah Webster Says"
04-02-1919 - Tom Hubbard - d. 6-4-1974
actor: Sergaent Cadet Stripes "Starr of Space
04-02-1920 - Jack Webb - Santa Monica, CA - d. 12-23-1982
actor: Joe Friday "Dragnet"; Pete Kelly "Pete Kelly's Blues"
04-02-1923 - Gloria Henry - New Orleans, LA
actor: "CBS Radio Workshop"
04-02-1928 - Rita Gam - Pittsburgh, PA
actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
04-02-1934 - Brian Glover - Sheffield, England - d. 7-24-1997
actor: George Hackett "An American Werewolf in London";
"[removed]"
04-02-1950 - Rob George - Mannum, Australia
writer: Mainly for Australian radio
April 2nd deaths
01-03-1916 - Betty Furness - NYC - d. 4-2-1994
actor: Anne Williams "Casey, Crime Photographer"
01-07-1906 - Betty Bolton - England - d. 4-2-2005
performed on British radio in the 1930s
03-09-1893 - Ara Gerald - Sydney, Australia - d. 4-2-1957
actor: Countess Florenza "Our Gal Sunday"
03-20-1922 - Jack Kruschen - Winnipeg, Canada - d. 4-2-2002
actor: Sergeant Muggowen " Broadway is My Beat"
05-23-1917 - Murray McLean - Chicago, IL - d. 4-2-1995
actor: Jimmy Allen "Air Adventures of Jimmy Allen"
06-12-1927 - Henry Slesar - Brooklyn, NY - d. 4-2-2002
writer: "Voice of the Army"; "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
06-30-1917 - Buddy Rich - NYC - d. 4-2-1987
drummer: "Artie Shaw and His Orchestra"; "Tommy Dorsey and His
Orchestra"
08-27-1899 - C. S. Forester - Cairo, Egypt - d. 4-2-1966
poet, biographer, novelist: "Keep 'Em Rolling"; "Words at War";
"Theatre Guild On the Air"
10-06-1910 - Lawrence Langner - Swansea, South Wales - d. 4-2-2002
theatre guild supervisor: "Theatre Guild on the Air"
10-13-1889 - Douglass Dumbrille - Hamilton, Ontario, Canada - d.
4-2-1974
actor: "Screen Guild Theatre"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
10-13-1913 - Ethel Everett - NYC - d. 4-2-1973
actor: Elsie Anderson "David Harum"; Mayme Gordon "O'Neills"
11-21-1913 - Ted Straeter - St. Louis, MO - d. 4-2-1963
orchestra leader: "Jerry Wayne's Regent Show"; "Kate Smith Show"
xx-xx-1888 - Rev. Dr. Leslie Moss - Minneapolis, MN - d. 4-2-1949
preacher: "At Home in the World"; "This World of Ours"
Ron Sayles
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 09:53:07 -0400
From: "Robert Dawson" <robertdaws@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Editing Out Commercials
Thank you, Bill, and Old Time Radio Admin. Starting to edit today. Stay
Well. Respectfully, Robert
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 13:53:40 -0400
From: Brent Pellegrini <brentpl@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Damon Runyon Diction-no contractions
First I believe that Runyon wrote in that style.
Second I think that the lack of contractions was a conscious effort to make NY
streetwise gangsters think they wee speaking in a sophisticated manner.
Brent Pellegrini
Private Investigator
Local and International phone: 206-905-1046
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:18:47 -0400
From: <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: And all the Little Godfreys
The other day someone reminded us here on this forum that Arthur Godfrey
had, if I'm remembering about right, a distaste for the expression "and all
the Little Godfreys" that bordered on near disdain for it. I hope I'm not
embellishing too much.
As I've thought about that since, and from those times I have read similar
intimations proffered in the past, I wondered: could it be? Could the man
who was unmistakably in total control of 90 minutes of CBS morning time five
days a week all those years -- who literally advertised for a sponsor if he
wanted to on a given day, or ignored the sponsor if he was mad (from what
I've read in multiple sources, mind you) -- and who skipped a singer
entirely if he was out of sorts with him on a given day, while also giving
Bill Paley the needle and loving it -- could he, who "ran" the WHOLE show,
underwritten by five or six firms daily (thus the line wasn't attributed to
any single advertiser's preference) -- could he not have told Tony Marvin:
"Don't ever open another 15-minute segment mentioning 'all the Little
Godfreys' again?" Of course he could!
I'm guessing the Old Redhead loved the adulation that came with it, thus it
happened every quarter-hour. Merely the thoughts of a frequent observer
who's seeking a more satisfying explanation. Lee?
Jim Cox
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:37:41 -0400
From: Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Ads Versus TV Ads
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I believe the reason you fast forward or mute the ads on TV is because most
of the ads now on television are just plain silly and just downright
insulting. Two come to mind is: Head-on and V-8 vegetable juice. And there
are many, many [removed] commercials I think were more fun, and very much more
intelligent, and not [removed] same for early television up to the 1970's,
barring a few clunkers.
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