------------------------------
The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2001 : Issue 343
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Second Hindenburg distress call [ Alan Bell <bella@[removed]; ]
Re: Ike's First D Day Broadcast [ "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@hotmail ]
Re: Directing, Producing, etc. [ Alan Bell <bella@[removed]; ]
Radio Script? [ Bill Miles <bmiles@[removed]. ]
Re:Red Skelton's version of the POA [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
Wire Recording [ "Alan R. Betz" <abetz@[removed]; ]
Harold Peary [ "Scott business" <[removed]@worldne ]
Terry and the Pirates [ "jsouthard" <jsouthard@[removed]; ]
Ike's First D Day Broadcast [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
re Schwimmer [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
Re:D-Day Broadcast [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
Re: Hearing and Seeing [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
Jack Benny, Art Carney share an aunt [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:12:23 -0400
From: Alan Bell <bella@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Second Hindenburg distress call
Thought I'd give it at least one more shot, here--kind of like
repeated requests for donations on public radio--to see if one of you
kind folks will take pity on me and dub me a copy of the Hindenburg
documentary that was on Discovery a couple weeks ago. I'll provide
tape, postage, and any radio shows from my collection that you might
be interested in. Email me privately.
--
Alan Bell
Grandville, MI
bella@[removed]
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:20:36 -0400
From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Ike's First D Day Broadcast
Robert Colonna writes:
I'm trying to find a "clean" copy of Eisenhower's speech
to America announcing
that we landed on the beaches in Normandy. The speech begins with
"People of Western [removed]"
It's a CBS broadcast (6/6/44). Unfortunately, the copy I have has lots
of static.
As all of the [removed] and Canadian networks got the speech via a shortwave
transmission (that was audibly jammed by the Nazis about halfway through in
addition to the usual transAtlantic propagation problems), any aircheck
recording on this side of the Atlantic will have the same interference you
note here. I know the BBC linechecked the broadcast in London, and a copy of
that recording would probably be the only truly clean copy you'd encounter.
I suspect (but don't know positively) that that recording has been issued by
them commercially at some point or other, and that the BBC's web site at
[removed] has a page offering any recordings from its archives it
currently has for sale.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:11:54 -0400
From: Alan Bell <bella@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Directing, Producing, etc.
From: Wich2@[removed]
Just a note for folks not in the biz: these roles are pretty fluid in
reality. There've been many "activist" producers (Selznick, Speilberg) who
basically co-direct.
Selznick certainly was a hands-on producer whose famous multi-page
memos drove his directors to distraction. Speilberg, on the other
hand, IS a director who sometimes take on producer--or more
often--executive producing responsibilities
There are much better scholars on this board than I (paging Elizabeth, et
al.), but just about all I've read (barring puff publicity from the time)
says that [removed] really only had two connections with the Lux show: hosting,
and drawing a [removed]
Well, I don't think anyone will dispute that, scholar or not.
Alan
--
Alan Bell
Grandville, MI
bella@[removed]
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:11:20 -0400
From: Bill Miles <bmiles@[removed];
To: Old-time Radio <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Radio Script?
Hi! Does anybody know where I can obtain a radio script copy of "Dial M
For Murder?" I've searched the web to no avail. (so far!)
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:22:32 -0400
From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:Red Skelton's version of the POA
I recently remember seeing some information on the
mailing list regarding Red Skelton's version of the
Pledge of Allegiance. It is very good and I'd like to get
a copy of it. Does anyone remember the internet
address(es) where a copy of it can be obtained?
Thanks,
Kenneth Clarke
kclarke5@[removed]
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:13:42 -0400
From: "Alan R. Betz" <abetz@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Wire Recording
Jim Woods wrote:
The stainless steel wire won't rust or oxidize: just keep the wire on
the spool and it'll be there and playable a hundred years from now.
It'll still be there alright. Complete with severe print-through from
every segment of wire next to, above, and below the bit of wire being
played. Instead of a quiet background you'll have a constant murmur and
chirping sound. You'll also hear a lot of "pinging" sounds, as the wire
tries to break free from the adjacent turns it has become stuck to. And
you will experience the delight of trying to find the broken wire ends
so that you can tie them together--with a square knot--so that you might
be able to play the wire, briefly, before the next break.
Been there, done that.
Regards, Alan.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 23:20:21 -0400
From: "Scott business" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Harold Peary
I have always enjoyed listening to Harold Peary in the Great Gildersleeve
and his early days on FM&M. I also have a few episodes of his short lived
Honest Harold series but what I am trying to find out is are there other
shows that he starred in or guest starred in that I might listen to. Any
help would be appreciated.
Scott
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:37:38 -0400
From: "jsouthard" <jsouthard@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Terry and the Pirates
I recently purchased a great volume of tapes from Ted Davenport at Radio
Memories called Terry and the Pirates vol 1. The programs are from the WGN
chicago series of 1941-42. Does anybody know who were the main cast members
for this series? John Dunning in his two books gives the main cast members
for the earlier and later national series but not the WGN series.
John Southard
jsouthard@[removed]
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:38:43 -0400
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ike's First D Day Broadcast
"Robert Colonna" <Robertc23@[removed]; asked:
I'm trying to find a "clean" copy of Eisenhower's speech to America
announcing that we landed on the beaches in Normandy. The speech
begins with "People of Western [removed]" It's a CBS broadcast
(6/6/44). Unfortunately, the copy I have has lots of static.
From: Bill Harris <radioguy@[removed];
The reason for the static is because the speech came via short-wave
transmission, I have the same recording taken from the NBC network.
I don't know if a recording was made at the source at SHAEF in
England, but that would probably be the only source of a static
free recording if such exists. Someone else on the digest may can
answer [removed] Michael Biel? Elizabeth?
The speech was a pre-recording, so it exists in that form, and would
also be available in high quality on recordings of the BBC. I know I do
have a high quality recording of this, and I'll try to dig it up. It
might be from a British documentary album.
It is interesting to compare their albums with ours because they
sometimes have high quality recordings of what we received via
short-wave, but low quality short-wave relays of what we have in high
quality. They'll have high quality recordings of Churchill and
Chamberlin but poor quality recordings of FDR! They also will have poor
quality recordings of Churchill speaking before the [removed] Congress and
the Canadian Parliment, and maybe also the Fulton Missouri iron curtain
speech, and our albums will have these in hi-fi. And it is fascinating
to hear Edward VIII's abdication speech in hi-fi (such as on the CD set
"75 Years of the BBC") after having known it from short-wave relays for
over 40 years.
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:38:17 -0400
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: re Schwimmer
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed];
Wow, that's the first time I've seen or heard Walter Schwimmer's name
in a very long time. But I do believe I used to see it every day
when I was 10 or so, on the credits for the old Cisco Kid tv show
with Duncan Renaldo. I wonder if it was Schwimmer's idea to film
the thing in color at a time when there were essentially no color
sets for sale?
I once had a long talk at an NAB convention with an old timer in the TV
syndication business who mentioned that the real reason The Cisco Kid
was filmed in color from the very beginning is that they discovered it
would be cheaper to film it in 16mm color reversal than 35mm B&W, and
the master would still have the same picture resolution.
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:56:46 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re:D-Day Broadcast
Bill Harris wrote:
I don't know if a recording was made at the source at SHAEF in
England, but that would probably be the only source of a static
free recording if such exists. Someone else on the digest may can
answer [removed] Michael Biel? Elizabeth?
I believe the Eisenhower "A Landing Was Made This Morning" speech was in
fact broadcast from a recording, made several days in advance of the
landings. Whether this original recording still exists or not, I can't
say -- but if it does, the BBC or the British Sound Archive would be the
most likely source for finding a copy. But because the recording was
picked up by shortwave in the US for rebroadcast by the networks, all
domestic recordings would contain the same overlay of static.
Elizabeth
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:58:49 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Hearing and Seeing
Mark Kinsler wrote:
I was thinking about Elizabeth McLeod's never-recorded early Amos 'n' Andy
shows the other day. Nobody here has ever heard them, but Elizabeth's
descriptions often make me think that I have.
Thinking about Mark's comment, it struck me that when I read the A&A
scripts, I actually do *hear* the characters in my mind -- once you pick
up on the pacing of the broadcasts from the handful of surviving
recordings, it becomes almost second nature to hear those voices as you
read. There is a very real difference between material that's written for
the ear as opposed to material written for the eye -- and I've found the
A&A scripts one of the most vivid demonstrations of this truth. The more
you read, the more you *hear.*
Reading the scripts has also left me with very detailed mental
impressions of the settings. I can tell you exactly what the taxicab
office, the lunch room, the rooming house, the Okey Hotel, and the lodge
hall look like -- and what's interesting is that the scripts really don't
contain detailed descriptions of these places. It's all established by
casual mentions in the dialogue -- a line in one episode here, another in
another episode there -- and these mentions gradually accumulate to
construct a complete and very elaborate mental image. I think this is one
of the most important qualities of Correll and Gosden's work -- they
didn't just tell you a story, but they constructed an entire
intricately-detailed world and made it come to life around that story.
They didn't need sound effects, they didn't need a stage full of actors,
they didn't need long passages of descriptive narration. They did it all
with dialogue.
I think their success in doing this is real proof that you *don't* need
large casts, bombastic acting techniques, first-person-singular
narration, or elaborate production values to put dramatic radio across.
All you really need is two very creative people sitting by themselves at
a table who aren't afraid to let the words do all the work. That, to me,
is radio raised to its highest, purest form.
Elizabeth
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 12:04:41 -0400
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jack Benny, Art Carney share an aunt!
Perusing a marvelous Reader's Digest 3-VHS set about The Home Front (what
was happening here c. 1940-1945), there are shots of people at the premiere
of a Jack Benny film of "Charley's Aunt" c. 1941.
I don't recall this at all, although I'm very aware of the play and its
many reincarnations. In checking the latter at IMDB, I find there was also
a television production in 1957 with Art Carney!
Both have to be hilarious. I'd like to obtain copies of these gems with
two of radio's most wonderful performers.
If anyone can help me with either or both of these two films, please let me
know. Many thanks.
Best to everyone, especially those who will be going to FOTR. For the
first time in something like 23-24 years, I will not be there. Hello to all!
Lee Munsick That Godfrey Guy
--------------------------------
End of [removed] Digest V2001 Issue #343
*********************************************
Copyright [removed] Communications, York, PA; All Rights Reserved,
including republication in any form.
If you enjoy this list, please consider financially supporting it:
[removed]
For Help: [removed]@[removed]
To Unsubscribe: [removed]@[removed]
For Help with the Archive Server, send the command ARCHIVE HELP
in the SUBJECT of a message to [removed]@[removed]
To contact the listmaster, mail to listmaster@[removed]
To Send Mail to the list, simply send to [removed]@[removed]