Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #73
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 2/16/2003 11:15 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 73
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE for  [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
      Tommy Riggs and Betty Lou             [ EdHowell@[removed] ]
      Tom Corbett, Space Cadet              [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Re: The good old days?                [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Re: "Encyclopedia of Radio"           [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Re: Chicken Heart                     [ Bryan Wright <bswrig@[removed]; ]
      Re: missing Johnny Dollars and time   [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]
      Woman Announcers                      [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
      Patty Andrews                         [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      WOMEN ANNOUNCERS                      [ Frosty Povick <frosty@[removed]; ]
      women broadcasters                    [ Donna Halper <dlh@[removed]; ]
      Dec. 8th 1941                         [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      "Chicken Heart"                       [ Smzmurphy@[removed] ]
      otr get togetherings                  [ vigor16@[removed] ]

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:00:42 -0500
    From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE for week
     starts: 02/16/03

    SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges
    Audition Shows are featured this week:
    1. OUR MISS BROOKS   1947 with Shirley Booth
    2. MY WILDEST DREAM  11/20/52 Host: George Putnam,  and
    Panelists:  Ann Rutherford, Helen Westcut, Roger Price and
    Hans Conried.
    3. SECOND GENERATION   11/11/54  Host: Jack McCoy,  with
    Panelists: Barbara Hale, Dick Hyland and Hans Conried.
    4. OUR MISS BROOKS   6/23/48  Audition show with Eve Arden
    as Connie Brooks and Will Wright as Osgood Conklin.

    HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE  with Tom Heathwood
    1. THE CAMPBELL PLAYHOUSE    CBS  3/17/40 - Mark Twain's
    classic,  Huckleberry Finn"    stars: Orson Welles and Jackie Cooper.
    2. THE COLGATE SPORTS NEWSREEL  with BILL STERN
    NBC -   2/7/47  with bandleader,  Spike Jones.

    Enjoy -  Tom & Jerry.

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:10:52 -0500
    From: EdHowell@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Tommy Riggs and Betty Lou

    Does anyone have any recordings of Tommy Riggs and Betty Lou they would
    duplicate for me?

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:15:30 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Tom Corbett, Space Cadet

    David Rogers wrote:

>     I have been trying to sort out my sci fi stuff and I have been having a bit
>     of trouble with my Tom Corbett, Space Cadet programmes. I keep finding
>     different catalogues with different show listings so I am finding it hard to
>     put everything in its correct order.
>     I was reading that it was a TV and a radio show. Therefore, I am wondering
>     if a lot of the mp3 files that I have are actually taken from TV shows
>     rather than the radio.
>     Any help?

    Based on the Robert A. heinlein novel SPACE CADET, the radio series became a
    popular juvenile program on both radio and television (I just finally got
    the entire TV series on video (at least a ton of videos that supposedly has
    the entire series) and it's not bad, really).  TOM CORBETT, SPACE CADET
    actually began on television first, CBS television, and later moved to ABC
    under the sponsor of Kellogg's Pep Cereal.  Once the program originated over
    ABC, someone came up with the idea of having the scripts written so cleverly
    that the audio tracks to the television episodes could be recorded and
    re-edited to pose as radio broadcasts.  Much like television actors acting
    out the part of a radio script on the bube tube.  That's why the radio
    episodes sound much like TV broadcasts.

    Broadcast twice a week, Tuesday and Thursday, live from NY, 5:30 to 6 [removed]
    Drex Hines was the director.  Jackson Beck was the announcer.  Scripts were
    written by Richard Jessup, Jack Weinstock, Willie Gilbert, Gilbert Brann,
    Don Hughes, Elwood Holffman, Hal Rine, Peter Freedman, and Palmer Thompson.
    Cast included Tom Corbett played by Frankie Thomas, Jr., Dr. Joan Dale
    played by Margaret Garland, Astro was played by Al Markim, Roger Manning was
    played by Jan Merlin, Captain Strong was played by Edward Bryce and
    Commander Arkwright was played by Carter Blake.  Radio series lated 52
    episodes (26 weeks).  All of the stories were two-part adventures.

    1.  The Living Crystals of Titan  1/1/52  with Peter Capel
    2.  The Living Crystals of Titan  1/3/52  with Peter Capel
    3.  Rocket Into Danger  1/8/52
    4.  Rocket Into Danger  1/10/52
    5.  Space Station of Danger  1/15/52
    6.  Space Station of Danger  1/17/52
    7.  Shanghaied on a Deep Spacer  1/22/52
    8.  Shanghaied on a Deep Spacer  1/24/52
    9.  Operation Hide and Seek  1/29/52  with Berry Kroeger
    10.  Operation Hide and Seek  1/31/52  with Berry Kroeger
    11.  Doomed Cargo  2/5/52
    12.  Doomed Cargo  2/7/52
    13.  Interplanetary Space Tournament  2/12/52
    14.  Interplanetary Space Tournament  2/14/52
    15.  Ice Caves of Pluto  2/19/52
    16.  Ice Caves of Pluto  2/21/52
    17.  Trial in Space  2/26/52
    18.  Trial in Space  2/28/52
    19.  Asteroid of Danger  3/4/52
    20.  Asteroid of Danger  3/6/52
    21.  Giants of Mercury  3/11/52  with Connie Lempke and James Monks
    22.  Giants of Mercury  3/13/52  with Connie Lempke and James Monks
    23.  Atmosphere of Death  3/18/52  with Peter Capel, Elspeth Eric, and
    Maurice Tarplin
    24.  Atmosphere of Death  3/20/52  with Peter Capel, Elspeth Eric, and
    Maurice Tarplin
    25.  Mission of Mercy  3/25/52  with Luis Van Rooten
    26.  Mission of Mercy  3/27/52  with Luis Van Rooten
    27.  Double Cross in Space  4/1/52  with Paul Ford, Gilbert Mack and Ian
    Martin
    28.  Double Cross in Space  4/3/52  with Paul Ford, Gilbert Mack and Ian
    Martin
    29.  Mystery of the Sparkling Meteor  4/8/52  with Sarah Bushel
    30.  Mystery of the Sparkling Meteor  4/10/52  with Sarah Bushel
    31.  Holiday of Terror  4/15/52
    32.  Holiday of Terror  4/17/52
    33.  Riddle of Astro  4/22/52
    34.  Riddle of Astro  4/24/52
    35.  Escort of Death  4/29/52
    36.  Escort of Death  5/1/52
    37.  Danger in Deep Space  5/6/52  with Luis Van Rooten
    38.  Danger in Deep Space  5/8/52  with Luis Van Rooten
    39.  Marooned with Death  5/15/52  with Susan Douglas and Ian Martin
    40.  Marooned with Death  5/17/52  with Susan Douglas and Ian Martin
    41.  Greatest Show in the Universe  5/22/52  with Leon Janney and Connie
    Lempke
    42.  Greatest Show in the Universe  5/24/52  with Leon Janney and Connie
    Lempke
    43.  Revolt on Prison Rock  5/27/52  with Joseph Ballow, William Keen, and
    James Monks
    44.  Revolt on Prison Rock  5/29/52  with Joseph Ballow, William Keen, and
    James Monks
    45.  Vultures of Death  6/3/52  with Maurice Tarplin
    46.  Vultures of Death  6/5/52  with Maurice Tarplin
    47.  Satellite of Death  6/10/52  with Ian Martin and Dick Keith
    48.  Satellite of Death  6/12/52  with Ian Martin and Dick Keith
    49.  Pursuit of Danger  6/17/52  with Ivor Francis and Ian Martin
    50.  Pursuit of Danger  6/19/52  with Ivor Francis and Ian Martin
    51.  A Round Trip to Disaster  6/24/52
    52.  A Round Trip to Disaster  6/26/52

    The only 41 episodes of the 52 are known to exist.
    Episodes 1, 8, 13, 14, 15, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, and 52 are not known to
    exist.  Because the titles of the episodes are not given in the beginning of
    each episode, there has been confusion over the years with collectors giving
    their own titles to the recordings, which is why can get the same recording
    from three different sources and

    Jan Merlin and Frankie Thomas, Jr., the two leading stars of the radio and
    television series will be on hand to autograph and even perform at the
    Williamsburg Film Festival in Williamsburg, Virginia on March 6 to 8, 2003.
    There will be a couple OTR dealers setting up at the convention and a few
    OTR fans show up every year so if you are within driving distance, stop on
    by and get your picture taken with the stars.  There is also going to be a
    radio recreation on stage with the sci-fi fan club so you can watch a
    performance right before your eyes.
    [removed]

    (SLIGHT PITCH: Johnny Western who acted in an episode of TV's HAVE GUN -
    WILL TRAVEL and composed and sung the "The Ballad of Paladin" the show's
    closing theme song, will also be attending the Williamsburg Film Festival
    but only for a couple days, not the entire festival.  My HAVE GUN WILL
    TRAVEL book will be at the convention so if you are planning on stopping by,
    get your copy autographed by Johnny Western.  if you can't make it to the
    festival, let me know and I'll be more than glad to arrange for an
    autographed copy.)
    Martin Grams, Jr.

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:17:21 -0500
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: The good old days?

    Sanctum, in his posting about the dual sponsorship of "The Shadow" program,
    mentioned that

>     ***Blue Coal dropped their longtime East Coast sponsorship after the 1949-50
>     SHADOW season, following the collapse of the Anthracite market.

    Ordinarily, I would have just kept reading (with interest) the rest of the
    posting, but his mentioning the "Collapse of the Anthracite market" brought
    back a floor of very early childhood memories. It only relates to OTR in
    that it was part of our normal lifestyle during the early years of radio.
    I'm referring to coal home heating systems. How many folks remember that
    ritual?

    When I was about 4,(1935) my folks moved into a new two story house that had
    a new coal furnace and huge water boiler attached. I had totally forgotten
    about those years until Santums posting. Then vivid memories came flooding
    [removed] the small coal chute window, and watching that black (not blue
    :) messy stuff sliding down the chute into the coal bin in the basement.
    Fortunately, I was too young to shovel the stuff into the furnace, and I was
    warned repeatedly by my Father not to touch, or go anywhere near the
    furnace.

    Then, along came World War 2, and either coal was rationed, or in short
    supply due to war industry needs, (or we couldn't afford to buy it)...so for
    a period of time, we were not able to use the big furnace. My father put a
    pot belly stove on the hearth in front of the living room fireplace, and we
    used that for heat. I distinctly remember getting out of bed on the second
    floor, chilled to the bone, grabbing some clothes, and racing downstairs to
    get dressed around that pot belly stove.

    [removed] along with refrigerators replacing ice [removed] came Oil Burning
    furnaces, and the wheels of progress spun ever onward. Come to think of
    [removed] looked forward to the Oil Truck deliveries as well. But that's
    because one of my favorite Uncles was the truck driver, and Uncle Myrt let
    me help him hook up, and turn the valves.

    Sorry for the slightly off topic stream of consciousness, but you youngsters
    missed out on all sorts of "adventures" during those "Golden" soot smudged
    years.

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead              [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:04:13 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: "Encyclopedia of Radio"

    On 2/16/03 9:18 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     Has anyone in this group contributed to the 3-vol "Encyclopedia of Radio"
>     which is to published in Dec 2003 (at the price of $350!)   I just learned
>     of this upcoming encyclopedia.

    I wrote three articles for this volume -- a piece documenting the
    short-lived Amalgamated Broadcasting System, a discussion of the
    controversial involvement of the Jehovah's Witnesses religious group in
    1920s and 1930s broadcasting, and  -- surprise! -- the article on "Amos
    'n' Andy." All of these are based on my own original research, not on
    secondary sources. I believe a few others on the list are also involved
    with the project -- I'd be interested in knowing who else wrote what!

    I wrote and submitted these pieces nearly two years ago, but publication
    of the encyclopedia has been delayed by various unforseen business-type
    circumstances. I've got fingers crossed that the 12/03 publication date
    will be the final one. Things *are* moving forward - I recently sent back
    my corrections to the edited versions of my articles, and all indications
    are that This Will Be The Year the books see print.

    As you can guess from the price, this isn't a set that's targeted to the
    individual purchaser -- it's being marketed primarily to academic and
    public libraries. It doesn't focus exclusively on the OTR era -- it's the
    whole history of broadcasting down to the present day, and hopes to be
    the definitive reference work on the subject.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:04:34 -0500
    From: Bryan Wright <bswrig@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Chicken Heart

    Harry Machin Jr. wrote about the Lights Out episode "Chicken Heart" saying:

>     I got it from Radio Yesteryear sometime in the early '70s and it was on
>     reel-to-reel tape.   I think it was a "Lights Out" show.  I don't have
>     time right now todig through hundreds of RtoR tapes in my basement, but
>     perhaps someone can tell me ifI'm right about the show not being lost.

    What you've probably got is a short 5-8 minute condensed version of the show
    that was produced for records in the late 1960s or early 1970s. A recording
    of the original half-hour broadcast is not currently known to exist. For
    anyone who wants to hear the full half-hour version, I'd highly recommend
    getting a copy of the re-creation that list member Steve Lewis and the
    Gotham Radio Players staged at this past year's FOTR Convention. They used
    the original Lights Out script, and the acting and sound effects are superb!
    Fred Berney sells copies of the video or DVD at his website
    ([removed]). I enjoyed the re-creation so much at the convention, I
    ordered the DVD when I got home and have watched it again several times
    since. I have no connection with Mr. Berney, jut another very satisfied
    customer!

    Bryan Wright

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:04:58 -0500
    From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: missing Johnny Dollars and time machine

    Ryan [removed]

>     If I had a time machine, I'd go back and record Yours Truly, Johnny

    Dollar,

>     "The Salt City Matter," "The Sea Legs Matter," "The Lonely Hearts

    Matter,"

>     and "The Imperfect Alibi Matter."

    And I [removed]
    Does this mean that there is a complete version of The Kranesburg Matter?
     My copy only has 6 of the 7 parts.

    If I could go back, my main priority would be getting those precious Vic
    & Sade episodes.  Paul Rhymer was a comic genius, and his program was
    without a doubt, in my opinion, the funniest OTR show ever.  The world
    would be a better place if we had three or four hundred more episodes.

    Rodney Bowcock
    Rare Dean and Jerry movies! Now available from Past Tense Productions!

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:05:10 -0500
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Woman Announcers

    To this growing list, as compiled by our contributors, let me add the
    name of Alice Yourman.

    She was the announcer on "Two On A Clue", a delightful detective show of
    15 minutes, buried in the afternoon schedule of the soaps. The  series
    featured the crime-solving exploits of a married couple, Jeff and Debbie
    Spencer, and it aired from Oct 44 to Jan 46 on CBS.  Only two audio
    programs have survived.

    Yourman did all of the announcing and shared the commercials with an
    uncredited male, extolling the virtues of LaFrance bleach, Statina
    starch, and Postum.  Yourman, of course, was more well known as a very
    competent radio actress on many soap operas, variety shows and
    comedies.  Among her leading roles, she played Archie Andrews' mother.

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
    [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:05:19 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Patty Andrews

    Today (February 16) is the 83rd birthday of Patty Andrews, one-third of the
    Andrews Sisters.

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    Make your day, listen to an Olde Tyme Radio Program

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:05:51 -0500
    From: Frosty Povick <frosty@[removed];
    To: old time radio list <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  WOMEN ANNOUNCERS

    On 2/15/03 11:43 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     The small number of women announcers is to some

    extent >due to the fact that they are not physically
    able to >endure the long hours of work.

    Let's see: When my kids were 5 and 3, my husband and I
    split up.  He paid no child support.  So in addition
    to my 5days a week job as a courtroom clerk, I worked
    4 hours
    a night, 3days a week as a telephone operator.  I also
    took in ironing.  Then, of course, I tried to keep up
    with the house and spend as much time with the kids as
    possible.  Yeah, we women are such weaklings compared
    to the big strong men.

    frosty

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:06:10 -0500
    From: Donna Halper <dlh@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  women broadcasters

    Several comments:  for those who have read my book, "Invisible Stars: A
    Social History of Women in American Broadcating" (she said, plugging
    shamelessly), you are aware that since 1920, there have always been women
    in so-called non-traditional roles, from Eunice Randall (who not only was
    the stereotypic 'story lady' but who also did tower maintenance and helped
    build radio receivers) to Marie Zimmerman (first woman to own a station,
    1922), to Bertha Brainard (first woman network executive at NBC, 1927) to
    Dorothy Thompson and Kathryn Cravens who did political commentary on the
    news for NBC and CBS respectively in the 30s.  And while Edward R. Murrow
    may have told Pauline Frederick that women are not suitable for news
    broadcasting (a position Walter Cronkite and [removed] Kaltenborn both said they
    agreed with), there have been women reading news at a number of stations
    well before the EEOC legislation of the late 60s mandated that radio HAD TO
    hire women and minorities.  Oprah Winfrey got her start as a reporter at a
    Nashville station circa 1973, if I recall correctly.

    And as somebody noted when quoting that bizarre 1941 manual, women were
    widely regarded as unable to do long hard shifts, since the medical
    community still believed that for 5 days a month, due to her menstrual
    period, a woman was (gasp) incapacitated and not capable of thinking
    rationally (I couldn't make this stuff up if I [removed]).  Of course this
    was nonsense, but it gave the industry permission to keep women away from
    the higher paying jobs.  Actually, I have always wondered why in the first
    decade of broadcasting, there were numerous women on the air-- not all of
    of whom did homemaker shows (although Ida Bailey Allen and other radio
    homemakers were very popular)-- and somehow the republic did not fall.  Yet
    by the rise of the networks and the advertising agencies, women were
    restricted to 'traditional' areas, such as discussing recipes and doing
    gossip shows.  It seems every time women made gains, this was followed by a
    huge backlash against them.  The Golden Age of Radio was wonderful if a
    woman accepted the role assigned to her-- she could be a partner in a
    comedy team (George Burns and Gracie Allen, Jack Benny and Mary
    Livingstone, Fred Allen and Portland Hoffa, etc) or a female vocalist like
    Kate Smith or hostess of a women's show where she shilled for various
    products (Mary Margaret McBride got rich doing this).  But if she wanted to
    do news or be an announcer or perform in some executive capacity, the
    popular media went into overdrive speechifying about how terrible this
    was.  I have endless articles from the newspapers and trade publications
    (all written by men) about this subject, if anyone wants to read further
    bizarre quotes about what people believed regarding gender roles in the 30s
    and 40s.  And let's not forget that even in the "Rosie the Riveter" era,
    when women ran entire stations because the men were off at war, most of
    those stations made the women sign an agreement that even if they wanted to
    keep those jobs, as soon as the war was over, they would have to give them
    up.  Ah the good old [removed]

    Donna L. Halper, Emerson College Boston (who remembers very clearly being
    told even in the late 60s by radio stations that "we don't hire
    women")

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:06:44 -0500
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Dec. 8th 1941

    In Barbara Watkins column "Information Please" in Sperdvac's Radiogram
    newsletter for February, she has mentioned a really nice site that some
    of you may not know about. A very interesting history of Chicago radio
    and television at [removed] (sorry I don't know how
    to make a link) looks like a website with some rich history and lots of
    links to other sites.
    What really caught my eye in Barbara's column though, was that this
    website has the Dec. 8th 1941 broadcast of Don McNeil's Breakfast Club.
    This hour long broadcast is historically significant due to the many
    interuptions for news bulletins about the happenings in the pacific. You
    can download this programand the quality is fair to good.
    I have a lot of Dec 7th broadcasts but not that much from the following
    day so this is great for me.  I also have not heard from anyone on the
    availability of MBS's Dec 7th coverage.  I'd really like to have that.
    I have the NBC Red network recordings from that day but I'd also like to
    have the Blue network recordings.  Anyone like to trade?

    George Aust

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:06:57 -0500
    From: Smzmurphy@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Chicken Heart"
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain

    Thank you, Harry Machin, for responding to my post about "Chicken Heart." You
    are correct -- that LIGHTS OUT episode does indeed deal with a heart that
    keep growing and GROWING. . .

    To my knowledge, the only version that exists is the truncated version from
    Arch Oboler's "Drop Dead" album. If anyone does have the full episode, I'd
    love to trade for it.

    Also, I've been enjoying the great variety of responses to my question about
    the OTR Time Machine.

    Mike Murphy

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    Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:07:16 -0500
    From: vigor16@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  otr get togetherings

    Hi all,

    Does anybody out there know of any restaurants or coffee shops that
    feature Old time radio as part of their theme?  I was wondering if OTR
    would be a good theme for such a venu.  A friend of mine, who does that
    kind of interior stuff asked me if he calls "radio days" has ever been
    done.  Told him that I'd ask the experts.  Has it ever been done by any
    of you?  We, otr folks walk in all professions.  We must have done it, at
    least, once.  We are gutsy folks.  We wouldn't be in such enthusiastic
    frame about our hobby, if we weren't.  Appreciate any feedback.

    Deric M.

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