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Date: 5/11/2006 9:27 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2006 : Issue 130
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      5-11 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      Re: thinking in color                 [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      Re: B&W vs Color                      [ "Dave Adams" <daveadams-hollywood@c ]
      Valuable Radio Premium Rings?         [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@j ]
      ETERNAL LIGHT                         [ "David S. Siegel" <otrdsiegel@veriz ]
      Some thoughts on visualization        [ "Holm, Chris " <[removed]@[removed] ]
      Dick Tracy Log                        [ Andrew Steinberg <otrdig1@[removed] ]
      color, monochrome, and other psychol  [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      Himan Brown                           [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Re: CBS                               [ Martin Fass <watchstop@frontiernet. ]
      Harry Houdini                         [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
      "Jack Armstrong" [removed] maybe?      [ Jim Erskine <homeway@[removed]; ]
      Superman announcer                    [ Dancingdays72777@[removed] ]
      Andrews Sisters                       [ dm4yeshua@[removed] ]
      LIGHTS OUT                            [ "thomas heathwood" <HeritageRadio@m ]
      CBS RMT Music                         [ "Jay Spell" <jaspell@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:35:33 -0400
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  5-11 births/deaths

    May 11th births

    05-11-1888 - Irving Berlin - Temum, Russia - d. 9-22-1989
    composer: "Ed Sullivan Show"; "People's Platform"
    05-11-1892 - Margaret Rutherford - London, England - d. 5-22-1972
    actor: "Wisdon of Miss Marple"; "Theatre Guild On the Air"
    05-11-1894 - Martha Graham - Allegheny, PA - d. 4-1-1991
    choreographer: Miss Hush on "Truth or Consequences"
    05-11-1895 - George Henninger - Binghamton, NY - d. 12-28-1953
    musician: "Brenda Curtis"; "Ladies be Seated"; "Modern Romances"
    05-11-1895 - Maurice Joachim - d. 11-xx-1980
    actor: Omar "Omar, the Mystic"; "Unseen Friend "Your Unseen Friend"
    05-11-1899 - Forrest Lewis - Knightstown, IN - d. 6-2-1977
    actor: Richard Q. Peavey "Great Gildersleeve"; Roy Delfeeno "Vic and
    Sade"
    05-11-1900- Georgia Fifield - d. 3-6-1985
    actor: Mrs. Hipplewater "Frank Watanabe and Honorable Arcie"
    05-11-1902 - Bidu Sayao - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - d. 3-12-1999
    sopranist opera singer: "The Metropolitan Opera"; "The Telephone Hour"
    05-11-1907 - Kent Taylor - Nashua, IA - d. 4-11-1987
    actor: "Hollywood Hotel"
    05-11-1909 - Pattie Chapin - Atlantic City, NJ
    singer: "Ziegfeld Follies of the Air"
    05-11-1910 - Johnnie 'Skat' Davis - Brazil, IN - d. 11-28-1983
    trumpet: "The Fred Waring Show"
    05-11-1911 - Doodles Weaver - Los Angeles, CA - d. 1-13-1983
    comedian: (Brother of Pat Weaver) Professor Feedlebaum "Spike Jones
    Show"
    05-11-1911 - Phil Silvers - Brooklyn, NY - d. 11-1-1985
    comedian: "Phil Silver's Show"; "Screen Guild Theatre"; "Suspense"
    05-11-1912 - Bob Trendler
    pianist, conductor: "Bob Trendler Orchestra"
    05-11-1912 - Foster Brooks - Louisville, KY - d. 12-20-2001
    disc jockey: "Foster Brooks Show"; "Melody, Inc."; "Million Dollar
    Ballroom"
    05-11-1913 - Tutti Camaratta - Glen Ridge, NJ
    orchestra leader: "Double Feature"
    05-11-1914 - Bob Atcher - Hardin County, KY - d. 10-31-1993
    singer: "Faultless Starch Time"; "WLS Barn Dance"
    05-11-1919 - John Michael Hayes - Worcester, MA
    writer: "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar"; "Twelve Players"; "Sam Spade";
    "Alias Jane Doe"
    05-11-1922 - Joseph Stopak - d. 7-13-1992
    music: "Creeps by Night"; "The Fat Man"
    05-11-1927 - Mort Sahl - Montreal, Canada
    comedian: "Mort Sahl Show"
    05-11-1930 - Marilyn King - Salt Lake City, UT
    singer: (The King Sisters) "Horace Heidt and His Brigadiers"

    May 11th deaths

    01-29-1874 - John D. Rockefeller, Jr. - Cleveland, OH - d. 5-11-1960
    rich person: "The Collier Hour"
    03-11-1952 - Douglas Adams - Cambridge, England - d. 5-11-2001
    writer: "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
    04-04-1889 - Dorothy Gordon - Odessa, Russia - d. 5-11-1970
    moderator: "Dorothy Gordon's Youth Forum"
    05-08-1919 - Lex Barker - Rye, NY - d. 5-11-1973
    actor: "MGM Theatre of the Air"
    06-13-1873 - Jean Adair - Hamilton, Ontario, Canada - d. 5-11-1953
    actor: "Radio Guild"; "Theatre Guild On the Air"
    07-25-1906 - Johnny Hodges - Cambridge, MA - d. 5-11-1970
    alto saxophonist: "Esquire Jazz Concert"; "Duke Ellington and His
    Orchestra"
    08-16-1900 - Walter Kinsella - NY - d. 5-11-1975
    actor: Pat Patton "Dick Tracy"; Sergeant Mullins "Mr. and Mrs. North"
    11-20-1900 - Chester Gould - Pawnee,  Oklahoma Territory - d. 5-11-1985
    comic strip artist: "Dick Tracy"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    Birthplace of Glenn Yarborough

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    Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:52:37 -0400
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: thinking in color
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    Imagining a radio show in color or black and white?  Honestly, it depends on
    how it sounds.  If it's a high quality recording I think of it in color but if
    it's all scratchy I feel like I'm imagining something in black and white.
    The "War of the Worlds" installment of Orson Welles' "Mercury Theatre on the
    Air" is something I always visualize in black and white, along with the 15
    minute
    "Lum and Abner" shows.  "The Phil Harris and Alice Faye Show" (Rexall years)
    is something I've always pictured in color.  Don't ask me why.

    Dixon

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    Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:52:32 -0400
    From: "Dave Adams" <daveadams-hollywood@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: B&W vs Color

>     Subject:  Re: B&W vs Color

    I had to give this a lot of thought. I realized that my imagination doesn't
    fill in details to the level of B&W/Color. It's dream-like and not even
    fully formed at the edges. I suppose I see a kind of sepiatone. A detective
    show like Johnny Dollar or Dragnet might not even generate mind's eye
    imagery whereas The Six Shooter with Jimmy Stewart or Superman always does.
    Depends on the type of show.

    Now I can tell you that I often remembered B&W TV shows in Color when I was
    a youngster.

    (New Member;) Dave Adams
    visual FX for film/TV- Digital Domain-Los Angeles

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    Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:53:23 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Valuable Radio Premium Rings?

    Sandy Singer, remarking on my observation on the Jack Armstrong Dragon's
    Eye Ring, observes

>     The Jack Armstrong ring is worth a fortune.

    Well, Ted Hake's guide figures it at as much as $1,300.  Good, but other
    radio-premium rings get about the same price (the Carey Salt The Shadow
    ring is one).  I've seen an intact Captain Midnight Aztec Sun God Ring
    sell for $1,375 on eBay. Of course, with any auction, the value is to the
    winning bidder.

    For anyone with one of those marvelous glow-in-the-dark rings, a really
    nice way of looking at them is under ultraviolet light.  It makes them
    glow to their maximum potential, without intensity decay.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 07:54:11 -0400
    From: "David S. Siegel" <otrdsiegel@[removed];
    To: OTR DIGEST <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  ETERNAL LIGHT

        With appreciation to Derek, a respected radio scholar and researcher,
    who purchased Eli Segal's wonderful book concerning the long running
    inspirational program: THE ETERNAL LIGHT at the recent CINCI CONVENTION and
    who posted about the book on this [removed]

         WHILE WE ARE NOT THE PUBLISHERS OF THAT BOOK, WE ARE HAPPY TO BE ONE
    OF IT''S DISTRIBUTORS  AND IF ANYONE WANTS MORE INFORMATION ABOUT IT THEY
    ARE INVITED TO CHECK OUT:    [removed]

        AND BY THE WAY: Eli happens to be the son of Cantor Robert Segal, whose
    voice is heard at the start of each program.

    DAVE SIEGEL

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    Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 10:34:23 -0400
    From: "Holm, Chris " <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Some thoughts on visualization

    Add me to the group that doesn't see OTR in color or black-and-white.  I
    don't see it at all, I don't make visualizations of OTR at all, except
    in rare cases when I construct a still image of a particular scene.  I
    feel OTR, but not in the touchy-feely sense.  I'm using the word feel
    because I don't have a better word to describe my experience.

    When I was young, I went through a battery of tests trying to exactly
    diagnose my pretty significant learning disability (it came down to very
    poor hand/eye coordination).  During all these tests, it was discovered
    that I had very good spatial relations skills.

    Some of you may remember the tests where they show you a picture of a
    folded piece of paper with holes punched in it, and you're supposed to
    pick which picture it will look like when it's unfolded.  Or the ones
    where shapes are shown from different angles.  I aced those tests
    because I could create and manipulate those shapes in my mind - but I
    don't do it visually.  I just know what they are and how they move, but
    I don't see them.  I feel them.  After I'm done feeling them, I have to
    translate them back into a visual image to pick the correct test answer.

    It's the same for me for OTR.  In a scene - especially a Dragnet,
    Gunsmoke, or other good sound effects show - I know where everything is,
    how the people/cars/objects move through the scene, how they interact
    with their environment.  But I don't "see" them.  They're just there in
    my mind.  And if I don't like the way the scene is playing out, I can
    move everything around in my mind and do it a different way.

    Weird, huh?

    -chris holm

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    Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:03:36 -0400
    From: Andrew Steinberg <otrdig1@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dick Tracy Log
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    Try

      [removed]~otterpro/LOGS%20TEXT/Dick%[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:04:08 -0400
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  color, monochrome, and other psychological
     artifacts

    There was a discussion of autism on Terry Gross' NPR show "Fresh Air," in
    which she interviewed a woman who overcame an autistic condition
    sufficiently to write a book about it.  The title of the book is "Thinking
    in Pictures," and this is what she says she does.  I don't, or at least I
    don't think so.

    I don't think I either dream or listen to radio shows in either color or
    black and white: my thoughts have their own color scheme that's not related
    to either the physical spectrum or the signals my visual apparatus converts
    it to.

    Those of us interested in psychology might find our reviews of 'the theater
    of the mind' to be a useful window into minds in general.

    M Kinsler

    who also forgets the color of his automobile in the parking lot.

    512 E Mulberry St. Lancaster, Ohio USA 43130 740-687-6368
    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:07:18 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Himan Brown

    Ryan O stated

>     The interviewer asked him where the music came from that was used in the
>     Mystery Theater. Brown claimed that all of the music had been especially
>     composed for the RMT. This just isn't true. I've heard much of the exact
>     same music played in old television shows such as Perry mason, The Twilight
>     Zone, Gunsmoke, Rawhide and others.

>     If I remember correctly, CBS had an entire library of music that they used
>     for their old TV shows. I'm sure that's where Brown got it. I do wonder if
>     any of that music is still available anywhere.

    You are correct.  Brown had access to a vast library of music in the CBS
    archives and free reign to use whatever he wanted - legally.  That included
    the Bernard Hermann musical bridges Ryan described (same bridges used in
    Twilight Zone episodes, Perry Mason, Rawhide, etc.) and theme songs for
    shows such as Dark Shadows.  Brown's memory (at least a few years ago) was
    intact because I asked about some vague programs and he was accurate about
    the details.  But depending on how he wanted the history to be written (as I
    gather), he gave me mistakes for obvious reasons - example - it is a known
    fact that Raymond Edward Johnson did not get along well with Brown during
    the Inner Sanctum years (1941-1945) and when Johnson left the show for
    military service and later returned, Brown would not let him back even as a
    guest.  Johnson later recalled many times that he and Brown never got along
    but when I asked Brown once about Johnson's association about the series,
    all I got was "he only worked on four episodes."  I corrected Brown, telling
    him he was on the show for four years and even commented that I had MANY
    episodes with Johnson as a host but he tried to correct me and reinstated
    that Johnson worked ONLY on four episodes.  That and a few other
    mis-corrections kept me from using any material from a phone interview for
    any of my books.

    Not knocking Brown, he's a nice man and a legend of his time period, but an
    excellent example of how some people try to re-write history when the
    opportunity knocks.

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    Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:10:47 -0400
    From: Martin Fass <watchstop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: CBS

    Must comment that what really MATTERS is not whether our cultural
    history is retaining the knowledge that the name of the network begins
    with "Columbia," but the thing that has been making all the difference,
    and will continue to do so, is that virtually all that the Coluumbia
    Broadcasting System brought to us is gone forever.  (Excepting, of
    course, the valuable materials preserved on tapes and disks.)  Radio
    and television studios were demolished, or left standing only as
    production facilities available for rent or lease.  More importantly,
    the heritage of something so vital as CBS News has been trashed,
    remaining only to the extent that it is good for selling a little time
    to sponsors, provided it entertains, and shocks people a bit now and
    then, and does not take risks attempting to report with intelligence
    and responsibility.  So it goes, and it seems the killers and the
    spoilers have won the day.  I am sure Marshall Dillon is at least as
    discouraged as I am.

    --Martin Fass

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    Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:49:42 -0400
    From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Harry Houdini
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          That's right.  Harry Houdini wasn't the famous magician's real name.
    He was born Erich Weiss.  Some people have said that he was more
    of an escape artist than a magician.  He did have quite a following as far as
    fan bases go, and any appearance he made to perform his escapes were
    well attended.  I believe his death was much less theatrical than his life
    was.  Someone told me that he died of an infection which arose from an
    appendectomy he had.  His Chinese Water Torture was among one of the
    most well known of his escapes during the early parts of the twentieth
    century.

    Sincerely,

    Kenneth Clarke
    Another OTR Fan

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    Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 14:38:50 -0400
    From: Jim Erskine <homeway@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Jack Armstrong" [removed] maybe?

    Hi OTR Listers,

    A friend wrote to us asking if we knew any existing "Jack Armstrong" episodes
    featuring
    a Don Gordini in the title role (or perhaps as a supporting character).
    Here's her note:

    "My husband's uncle's name was Don Gordoni (Gordoni was his stage [removed]
    God-given
    last name was Goldstein before the name change).  He was the original Jack
    Armstrong when it first [removed] have newspaper clippings about it. He was
    later
    killed in WW2. I know Don Ameche's brother played the part at some point and
    so did several
    others through the years.  I would be so grateful of any information you
    could find.  My husband's birthday is in a couple of months and it would be
    a great birthday present to find any of the programs that his uncle starred
    in!:o) "

    ...so, can anyone verify if this is correct, and point me to some episodes
    that have
    him as an actor? Thanks!

    Best Wishes,
    Jim Erskine aka kylistener

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    Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:34:39 -0400
    From: Dancingdays72777@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Superman announcer

    Does anyone know who the announcer on Superman was in its earlier
    [removed] to Jackson Beck taking over? I can't seem to find it
    listed  anywhere.

    Thanks,

    Matt

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    Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:35:12 -0400
    From: dm4yeshua@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Andrews Sisters

    5-11-06

    This is my first time writing in and I don't know if this will post in the
    I-newsletter, but this is my intent.  I have fallen in  love with the
    Andrews Sisters and have become a great fan. I have many of their OTR
    shows from 1944-1945.  This show was entitled, The Andrews Sisters show,
    as I am sure many know.  I recently read a book on their life story and
    really was amazed at how they rose to fame so quickly and how much support
    they were for our troops in WW2.  Patti, at almost 90 yrs old, is the only
    surviving sister and I would love to contact her and thank her for her
    music and their patriotism during the war.  Does anyone know how to
    contact her?  The book I read is entitled, Swing it! and it can be
    purchased on Amazon brand new for a very reasonable price.  I highly
    recommend it.
    David Bossenberger Jr.
    Lapeer, MI
    dm4yeshua@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:35:32 -0400
    From: "thomas heathwood" <HeritageRadio@[removed];
    To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  LIGHTS OUT
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    Thanks to [removed] King for clarification of the origin of the recent airing of
    "Rocket From Manhattan" from
    September 20, 1945 that we aired on a recent Heritage Radio Theatre program.
    RR is correct that it
    was confusing, since the show LIGHTS OUT FANTASIES dis air during the Summer
    of 1945.  The
    series, ARCH OBOLER'S PLAYS was heard On Mutual from April 5th to October 11th
    of that year.  The
    LIGHTS OUT intro and outgo sound as though they were from the Ironized Yeast
    series.  What made the
    thing even more confusing wwas that  FANTASIES FROM LIGHTS OUT (Wyllis Cooper
    scripts)
     was running on NBC July 14th to Sept. 1st, apparently at the same time that
    Oboler was doing his
    "Plays" on Mutual. Oboloer material was later re-broadcast as THE DEVIL & MR.
    O  in transcribed syndicated
    format 1970-1973.  Many of the original works of Oboler were then rebroadcast
    under the new title.
    One of the more complex broadcast histories !!    Tom Heathwood - Heritage
    Radio Theatre.

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    Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 19:36:29 -0400
    From: "Jay Spell" <jaspell@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  CBS RMT Music
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    Ryan O. recently wondered about the availability of "RMT" music.  And Ryan, it
    was fascinating, if annoying, reading your Hyman Brown statements.  We are all
    long-time fans of his work, but ...
    Anyway, in 1986 or so, a music label called Varise Sarabande released two CDS
    called "The Best Of The Twilight Zone.  Volume One was their catalog no. VCD
    47233, Volume Two, VCD 47247.  These two discs were compiled from five earlier
    vinyl volumes of original music from said TV series.  Unfortunately, Varise
    didn't take long to further compile these onto one disc.  The great news is
    Varise accessed original masters of this Van Cleeve material, and their
    transfers are flawless.  So the sound and presentation on the CDs could not be
    better.  I'm thinking these discs shouldn't be hard to find with a little web
    crawling.  "Zone" and "RMT" fans will love hearing all this familiar
    incidental and background music from its source.  (That haunting "RMT" opening
    music is from the "Zone" episode 'Two.')  The current Varise catalog can be
    viewed at:  [removed] .
    Very much enjoy the list, and thank you for all your great work, [removed]
    Spell

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