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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 450

Table Of Contents: 

	 F. Scott Fitzgerald on the air
	 Jack Benny Christmas Show
  
	 My last word on Webb
	 Is It Necessary
	 Tangled Webb
	 test -Reply
	 more jack webb
	 Re: Jack Webb
	 Diversity of Opinion
	 Captain [removed] is this guy?
	 Thanks
	 "L" for Lanky

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:53:30 -0500 (EST)
From: JROZGONYI <JROZGONYI@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: F. Scott Fitzgerald on the air
Message-id: <0730530920111996/A01251/LIBER/11ABA26F1900*@MHS>
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To follow up on a recent thread, I just listened to yet another
F. Scott Fitzgerald story adaptation this weekend -- "Babylon
Revisited" once again from the NBC University Theater.  The
production was remarkable.  The series was an hour long, but
the story itself is rather short.  Because the story is to a 
large extent dealing with the precipitous crash of the 
'20s and its Jazz Age people, the producers took the very 
creative approach of having the lead character interject sort
of reflective/philosophical quotes from Fitzgerald's "The Crack
Up" collection in between scenes of the story.  It was great.
As I've said here before, the NBC University Theater is a 
series that anyone interested in really good radio drama
should check out.  SPERDVAC has lots of episodes in its Hollywood
Museum lending library.

Jay Rozgonyi
JROZGONYI@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 08:56:52 -0600
From: toews@[removed] (Bruce Toews)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Jack Benny Christmas Show
  
Message-Id: <[removed]@one>

Here's one that's been bugging me, and I was wondering if someone could
answer it. In one of the Jack Benny Christmas shows, the cast supposedly
makes a tape to send to the sponsor, one big song done to the "be happy,
go lucky" theme. Bob Crosby does part of it, but for the life of me I
can't figure out what he's saying in one line. It gets a laugh from the
audience, though. Does anyone know? Thanks.

Bruce


Bruce Toews
[removed]~toews


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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 09:56 CST
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: My last word on Webb
Message-Id: <m0vQF0h-000k5ZC@[removed]>

Interesting go-round about Jack Webb.
I am left with this observation:
  
Some people believe that what a person does in his work reflects that
person's actual personality, or at least is a true expression of personal
beliefs.  In other words, Joe Friday IS Jack Webb, and the authoritarian
tendencies of Dragnet reflect the way Webb actually saw the world.

Others feel that talent and achievement is a personal quality that does not
have to be bound up with a person's attitudes and opinions about social
structure and world events.  In other words, even though Dragnet can
sometimes make you squirm (or, even, make you incensed) and you might
suspect that Webb was a "fascist," he can still be admired for his talent,
creativity, determination, and sense of humor.

I fall squarely in the second camp.  Yes, there are episodes of Dragnet
(chiefly TV episodes) that I cannot sit through, but that doesn't, to my
mind, detract from Webb's achievements in the industry.  I never cared for
John Wayne's politics, but that sure doesn't stop me from enjoying most of
Wayne's movies.

I do not hold with those who maintain that every breath we take, from birth
to death, is political.

Thanks to all,
John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
ph  (512) 495-4112
fax (512) 495-4296

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 96 08:29:53 PST
From: Richard McCracken <mcracken@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Is It Necessary
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Does this forum really need the recent " 'Cast of Thousands' copy to
addressees"  TEST MESSAGE  that fisherf@[removed] placed upon us?  Not
at all impressed with the "Dir Engineering" and who he knows.

Dick

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:46:04 -0700
From: Chet Cox <CHCOX@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Tangled Webb
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Patrick H. Adkins brings a note of sanity to our Webb discussion by
saying:  "A lot of people sure do seem outraged that Jack Webb was
able to use the mass media to promote his far right ideas.  This is
confusing.  I thought free speech was a good thing.  Diversity, too, as in
diversity of opinion.

"Besides, it's _only_ a radio/TV show."

Chet sez:  As Benjamin Franklin indicated, free speech only applies
when it's _our_ ideas being promoted.  Anything else is obvious
subversion.  Once, patriotism and morality were promoted and liberalism
was called communism and slam-dunked.  Today, liberalism is promoted
and patriotism and morality are called far-right.  We have never been a
moderate people.

Besides, as Oliver Wendall Holmes (or was that Oliver Wendall
Douglas?) indicated, freedom of speech does not give one the right to
shout "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre.  However, it does give you the right
to should "UNDERWEAR" in a crowded theatre, but you may be beaten to
a pulp by patrons trying to hear the movie (or play).  Unless it's silent (or
mimes).



*jeep!
~~~~Chet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Quote of the day:  "There are some people in this Church who aren't as
much use as manure.  You can use that for growin' things; you can't use
them for *any*thing."  --J. Golden Kimball

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 09:49:27 -0700
From: Chet Cox <CHCOX@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: test -Reply
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

If this had been a real message, would we have been told what e-mail
address to tune to for further survival instructions?

(If Clinton gets many of these infinite-addressees messages, it's no
wonder he's gone off the deep end!)
*jeep!
~~~~Chet
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Quote of the day:  "There are some people in this Church who aren't as
much use as manure.  You can use that for growin' things; you can't use
them for *any*thing."  --J. Golden Kimball

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:04:59, -0500
From: ZQEK71A@[removed] ( CHRISTOPHER R CHANDLER)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: more jack webb
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

i've been reading with very great interest everybody's thoughts on 
jack webb's politics.

it's never really bothered me listening to the "dragnet" radio series.
..though it's true, certainly, that there's almost no relation 
between the radio series and the almost-comic '60s TV revival.  (and 
i have new insight now into why the "pete kelly's blues" movie was so 
[removed], guys).

here's what DOES grate at me, along these same lines: 

 i recently listened to one too many "X Minus One" programs.  
specifically, "Sea Legs", 5/1/56, in which a disillusioned space 
traveller retires home to earth, only discover the place is run by 
republicans!!  (that's a joke, of course, but it's clearly what the 
writer intended to convey).  this series, like "Dimension X" before 
it, is [removed], clever, [removed] the politics conveyed WITHIN 
the stories is so unsubtle it's annoying, and not just becuase 
they're flaming left-wing.    (in this one episode, for example, the 
main character stops the action to lambast the government and ask 
loudly, "Whatever happened to freedom??").  and i dont' mean annoying 
from a political standpoint, [removed] that it's irrirating 
to have a good story ruined by this kind of thing, [removed] it 
dates the programs even more, in my view, than the "flat-earth" view 
of science they convey.  

does anyone else have this problem?  is it just me?  were there other 
series or writers/producers that had this trouble?  

and by, the [removed] enjoy this digest [removed] are so lucky 
to be able to share this stuff.  (i read a post yesterday that began 
"I talked to norman corwin the other night")...it's really [removed] 
i, for one, appreciate all you guys alot.

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 11:55:46 -0600
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Jack Webb
Message-Id: <[removed]@dlogics>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

"Treasure Mountain" <[removed]@[removed]>
(Patrick H. Adkins) writes:

>A lot of people sure do seem outraged that Jack Webb was able to use 
>the mass media to promote his far right ideas.  This is confusing.
>I thought free speech was a good thing. 

This brings to mind something I read in (I think it was) "Harry and
Wally's Guide to TV Programs" some time ago concerning how Jack Webb
tends to go off on a rant, for lack of a better word, concerning
whatever the crime topic is for that particular show. His tirade
is usually directed at the suspect, often coming in shortly after 
the suspect has gotten off one or two smart remarks at him and Jack 
comes back with a steamroller of a speech in return. Harry and Wally
point out that his speeches were so long that instead of trying to 
memorize it all, Jack would simply read it off cue cards. If you 
watch closely in the TV show, you can indeed sometimes catch the 
back-and-forth motion of his eyes moving through the script.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@[removed]
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 15:05:04 -0500
From: Bigkids@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Diversity of Opinion
Message-ID: <961120150503_2081711166@[removed]>

Pat Adkins suggests that some of us here in the Digest, having disagreements
with the late Jack Webb's political views, would like to suppress his freedom
to express them. Of course, considering the Mr. Webb has been deceased for
some years now, and his old radio and TV shows (as well as his theatrical
films) are viewed as cultural fossils, period pieces, or outright camp . . .
well, the whole issue is more or less moot.

But I wonder if I missed something in the Digest that Pat A. saw?

I failed to notice anyone saying that Jack Webb's old shows should be
suppressed, or that anyone should be denied the right and opportunity to form
and express any opinion he/she wishes. The only example of this kind of
suppression that I'm aware of is the now-infamous "Amos & Andy" controversy,
and please, please, please, brothers and sisters, let's not revive *that*
argument again.

To get back to Jack Webb and Patrick Adkins -- did I miss something? Did
someone on the Digest actually propose suppressing Webb's material because of
its political content? Or could it be, maybe, that Patrick Adkins misread
something that somebody wrote, that didn't really suggest that at all?

Dick Lupoff

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:20:28 EST
From: jjyellen@[removed] (James J Yellen)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Captain [removed] is this guy?
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

In a previous digest,  Dave Siegel  [removed]

 A subscriber recently inquired about a program featuring Capt. Tim
Healy.
In addition to his "famous" stamp programs he also did a talk show with
his
wife. I have two episodes (1/28/45) and (9/26/45) and a kid's adventure
program called ADVENTURES WITH CAPTAIN TIM. I have one entitled "Plunge
In
The Dark".  He was not a great star of otr but, like Frank Buck and
others,
used radio to enhance his "other careers" (whatever they may have been).
 

I made the inquiry aout Captain Tim Healy's Stamp Club radio show. Did I
miss something? Is Captain Time Healy somebody I should recognize like
Frank [removed] Uncle Don? Did he enjoy fame in some other endeavor and
then go on to the Stamp club show? Now I'm really curious.

Jim Yellen

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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 19:54:40 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Thanks
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I want to thank Francis Fisher for that wonderful list of email names.
Really helps me in my otr interest!?!?

least I could have gotten after scrolling through that massive list was
something more than a "test."


>Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 04:49:38 -0500
>From: Francis Fisher <fisherf@[removed]>
>To: Francis Fisher <ffisher@[removed]>
>Cc: Ricklin Brown <rbrown@[removed]>,
> Tyler Callis <tcallis@[removed]>,Carl Davis <cdavis04@[removed]>,
> Joseph M Davis <jdavis@[removed]>,
> Bill Fawcett <fawcetwd@[removed]>,Fred A Francis Jr <derf@[removed]>,
>

ad [removed]

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Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 00:03:02 -0500 (EST)
From: lev@[removed] (S or A Levene)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: "L" for Lanky
Message-Id: <v01530500aeb94b94d79b@[[removed]]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

L For Lanky  (not L  IS for Lanky)  is remembered fondly by many Canadian
OTR buffs but so far as I know no copies of the series exist. Having worked
at the CBC (until a few months ago) I obtained that noisy fragment
described by Stephen Moore, and it reveals very little - it's just a noisy
fragment with some guys in an airplane talking over engine noise.  Until
recently the CBC's archives didn't even have that - they had absolutely
nothing. Somebody found this fragment and gave it to them and that's it,
unless somebody else is quietly sitting on additional material.  It was a
live show and evidently not recorded, or the recordings not kept.  Probably
nobody took it seriously as worth keeping.  Too bad, it was a fine,
evocative show, as those of  us just barely old enough to remember it  -
remember it.  The title character, "Lanky", was in fact an airplane, a
Lancaster bomber given a voice (slightly echoed) which was the narrator of
the wartime airborne adventures presented on the show.  Lanky was portrayed
by a Canadian actor named Herb Gott who, in a ghastly youthful accident,
had lost both his hands.  The disability didn't prevent him from being an
effective radio actor.

There was another good WW2 dramatic series on the CBC called "Fighting
Navy"  which I recall, and which starred actor Lloyd Bochner who  later
played Shakespearian roles in Stratford, Ontario, and still later bad guys
in Hollywood movies.  I have  inquired and checked the card files, and that
too is lost in the mists of time.  Nothing exists, apparently.  This
particular theater can now only exist in the mind.

Sam Levene



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