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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 229


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Smilin' Ed's Gang
	 new or old
	 Re: [removed]
	 Re: Andy Divine as Jingles
	 Relationships and OTR
	 Fwd: NARA location 
	 OTR Definition

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: ulrich@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Smilin' Ed's Gang
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

In OTR Digest #228, roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull) wrote:

>Through the defective source of my memory, I recall that there was
>a health reason why Smiling Ed didn't take the show to TV. But I
>also recall that a version was tried with Andy Divine as host. Anyone
>else remember that?

Smilin' Ed's Gang ran on TV (on various networks) from 1950 through 1955.
When Ed McConnell died, Andy Devine took over.

>A bit of Divine trivia.
>When Andy was getting on in years and lacked the punch and good fun
>of the old day, a developer had him cut a commercial for some homes
>being built at Discovery Bay on the Sacromento River delta. They
>had him invoke the old days when the river boats would pass by and
>I think the spot had a steam whistle in it. But the take they got
>from Andy just plain showed his age. So they wired the capstan on
>the tape recorder to an oscillator and raised the tape speed thus
>taking 20 years off of his delivery and making him sound like the old
>Jingles from Roy Rodgers.

Andy Devine played Jingles on Wild Bill Hickock. Gabby Hayes was on Roy Rogers.

--Charles

"Andy Devine had a thong rind."--Frank Zappa

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:01:40 -0400
From: Platecap@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: new or old
Message-ID: <960628210139_342967536@[removed]>

It's possible to have great radio drama and comedy regardless of whether it
was produced in 1945 or 1995.  It's also possible to have bad radio drama
from either era.

As I recall in my Listening Guide to Classic Radio (now out of print--sorry),
one of the contributors, Joe Webb, defined a Golden Era of Radio and a Silver
Era of radio (Silver being primarily 50's/60's, Golden to the period prior).
 This was done primarily for labeling convenience;  some of radio's *best*
shows did not hit the air until the 1950's (Gunsmoke, X Minus One, Bob Bailey
as Johnny Dollar, etc.).  As mentioned, doesn't really matter the time frame.
 I'm not going to get into pointing out *worst* shows.

I still prefer the term CLASSIC radio over old-time, because it can apply to
all that's good regardless of when it was done.
...just my six-point seven cents [removed]  - Bob Burnham
platecap@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 23:36:44, -0500
From: BWWG42A@[removed] (MR JACK L PALMER)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: [removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Jack Palmer * [removed] #[removed] ] --

Several people have been discussing what old time radio really consists
of.  I grew up with radio in the 30s and I've never considered the
question.  If it is radio and I enjoy it, I collect it.  BBC still is
producing radio shows and I have some in my collection from as late as
last year.  I have CBS Mysteries and NPR productions of recent years. 
All of this fits in perfectly with my hundreds of Jack Benny, Fibber
McGee and others that I grew up with.  Perhaps old time radio is not
the correct term, if it is construed to have a cut off date.  I have
always considered OTR a term for radio programs produced for
entertainment.  Perhaps SPERDVAC expresses it best in their name.  The
Society to Preserve and ENCOURAGE Radio Drama, Variety and Comedy.  
(Capitals mine.)  It says notjhing about old time or new time.  Perhaps
the discussion of the golden age of radio might be a better subject,
although I'll tell you, there was a lot of junk on then too!  Just like
televison you had to search for the good stuff.  Most of the filler is
gone today and we only have the better (Even if is not always good!) 
This is jsut a long winded way to say OTR to me means any radio drama,
comeday or variety show that I enjoy, regardless of when it was
presented.      Jack

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:11:02 -0500
From: usrtest <usrtest@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Andy Divine as Jingles
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

> When Andy was getting on in years and lacked the punch and good fun

> I think the spot had a steam whistle in it. But the take they got
> from Andy just plain showed his age. So they wired the capstan on
> the tape recorder to an oscillator and raised the tape speed thus
> taking 20 years off of his delivery and making him sound like the old
> Jingles from Roy Rodgers.

Minor correction:  Jingles was not Roy's sidekick (I think Gabby 
Hayes and Pat Butram both held that post).  Jingles was Wild Bill 
Hickock's sidekick.  Remember "Wait fer me, Wild Bill!"?

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:28:27 -0500
From: David Van Nostrand <davetv5@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Relationships and OTR
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi

        I have a question.  How did many of you out there in OTR land,
explain, reveal and get your girlfriend, or wife to accept your hobby.  My
former girlfriend didn't like OTR and I was forced to listen in secret.
Please e-mail me with your answer to the most puzzling question.


Thanks 

dave
David Van Nostrand
davetv5@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 02:22:12 -0400
From: RadioJoe5@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fwd: NARA location 
Message-ID: <960629022211_145428038@[removed]>

I hoped someone on this list might have the current addres.


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Forwarded message:
From:	ahs@[removed] (Andrea Helen Selch)
To:	RadioJoe5@[removed]
Date: 96-06-28 12:51:13 EDT



Dear Joseph Coleman,

I am trying to find the current location of the North American Radio 
Archives. All addresses I have are sorely out of date. Can you help?

Thanks,

Andrea Selch

English Department
Box 90015 Duke University
Durham, NC 27708

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 09:14:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Ouzts <jouzts@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Definition
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Most of those we deal with in OTR would agree with Barry that the hobby 
is more flexible and large enough to handle interests without regard to
time-frame.  I like SPERDVAC's "Preserve and Encourage Radio Drama, 
Variety and Comedy," with no mention of "age."

Jim Ouzts

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