Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #484
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 12/12/2002 9:20 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 484
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Empire of the Air                     [ dougdouglass@[removed] ]
      Davenports                            [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      Mammouth Minstrel Varieties           [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
      Capehart                              [ "jsouthard" <jsouthard@[removed]; ]
      Today in radio history 12/11          [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Janet Waldo on Lux Radio Theater      [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      MP3 Playback                          [ GEOJERZY@[removed] ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Barrymore's Christmas Carol           [ "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed]; ]
      Dragnet-- Big Little Jesus            [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
      Missing Fibber Shows                  [ "welsa" <welsa@[removed]; ]
      Re: The Hayworths                     [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      capehart                              [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      Hal Stone                             [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      World of respect for radio actors     [ "Andrew Godfrey" <Niteowl049@[removed] ]
      'OTR' From Movies                     [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Conrad                                [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      Re: article on Richard Pryor and Cha  [ Merlin Haas <mvhaas@[removed]; ]
      Re:Recommended Reading List           [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      I'd Rather Eat Pants on NPR           [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      New radio web-site                    [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      WNEW question                         [ "Andy Lanset" <alanset@[removed]; ]
      A Rita Revelation                     [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
      Re: Ooops!                            [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]

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        ADMINISTRIVIA:

        Apologies for the delay in this issue. We've been experiencing
        local power problems due to the ice storm that hit some of the
        northeast.  --cfs3

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:30:12 -0500
    From: dougdouglass@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Empire of the Air

    Empire of the Air in Metro New York WNET - 13
    Saturday, December 14  -  3:00-5:00PM

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:31:56 -0500
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Davenports

    Byron Powell asked:

>     But I enjoy some of the terms you hear in OTR (and old
>     books, movies, etc.) that are no longer in use today. Example: Why was >a
>     couch sometimes called a davenport, or Davenport? Was it the proper >name
>     of a furniture company? A name of an individual or city?

    When I was growing up in northwestern Ohio I didn't know ANYONE who had a
    "couch". We all had davenports. A few elderly people had "sofas". It took me
    quite a while to feel comfortable calling it a "couch" when I moved to
    southern California.

    Barbara

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:32:02 -0500
    From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Mammouth Minstrel Varieties

    Anyone ever heard of this transcribed program? Got any dates? Sponsored by
    Edgeworth Tobacco and Domino Cigarettes I believe are the names. Dunning
    lists nothing.

    Joe Salerno

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:33:10 -0500
    From: "jsouthard" <jsouthard@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Capehart

    Homer Capehart was a Republican Senator from Indiana in the 1950's. I do not
    know if he owned the Capehart Radio/Phono machine, but I do know he
    sponsored legislation to build pre-cut homes on military installations.
    These were called Capehart Homes.

    John A. Southard

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:33:15 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history 12/11

>     >From Those Were The Days --

    1944 - The Chesterfield Supper Club debuted on NBC. Perry Como, Jo
    Stafford and many other stars of the day shared the spotlight on the
    15-minute show that aired five nights a week. The show was sponsored by
    Chesterfield cigarettes.

      Joe

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    Visit my home page:
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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:33:22 -0500
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Janet Waldo on Lux Radio Theater

    Hi Everybody, I am in the process of putting together a collection of Janet
    Waldo  radio appearances in order to give to her.  She does not have much
    and I know she would love to have them.  She did some Lux Radio Theater does
    any one know what ones?   So far I have come up with 5 Great Gildersleives,
    6 Young Love, a couple of Meet Corlis Archer, 2 Screen Director Play house,
    and a small collection of Ozzie and Harriet like around 8 shows.  If any one
    has more please contact me off list.  Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:33:47 -0500
    From: GEOJERZY@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  MP3 Playback

    I bought 2 MP3 CD's at the October FOTR convention and 1 from REPS. I am
    having a problem playing them on my GPX boombox CD MP3 player. A 30 minute
    program plays for about 15 minutes and then goes to the next track. Can
    anyone tell me why this happens and how I can correct it.

    George Skarzynski

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:33:55 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

>     >From Those Were The Days --

    1937 - The Federal Communications Commission was a bit upset with NBC.
    The FCC scolded the network for a skit that starred Mae West. The
    satirical routine was based on the biblical tale of Adam and Eve and,
    well, it got a bit out of hand. So, following its scolding by the FCC,
    NBC banned Miss West from its airwaves for 15 years. Even the mere
    mention of her name on NBC was a no-no.  (ed note: For those who have
    never heard this on the Bergan-McCarthy Show {or The Chase and Sandborn
    Hour for the purists <g>} it wasn't what was said, but how it was said
    with West and Don Ameche.  Censors had okayed it but hadn't taken into
    consideration Miss West's voice and inflections.)

      Joe

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    Visit my home page:
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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:34:04 -0500
    From: "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Barrymore's Christmas Carol

    I just finished listening to a tape of Dickens' "A Christmas Carol"
    featuring Lionel Barrymore and, to my surprise, Basil Rathbone reading the
    part of Scrooge's nephew Fred.  Date given on the tape is 1947, and it runs
    approximately 23 minutes.  This could be the MGM album issued about that
    time, or it could be an excerpt from a radio broadcast.  No other cast
    identification is given (Rathbone isn't even credited).  Can anybody help me
    identify the source of this and provide any additional information about the
    cast?  And does anybody have a good copy of Barrymore's hour-long OTR
    version?

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:33:37 -0500
    From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dragnet-- Big Little Jesus

    Several months ago there was a discussion of the
    Dragnet Christmas episode "The Big Little Jesus." The
    episode aired on "When Radio Was" yesterday, and can
    be heard on the Radio Spirits website. I'm listening
    to it as I type this.

    Rick

    [removed] I vaguely recall from previous discussions there
    may have been more than one broadcast of this episode.
    This particular one was from 1953.

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:45:12 -0500
    From: "welsa" <welsa@[removed];
    To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Missing Fibber Shows

    Does anyone know of any Fibber McGee and Molly shows which are considered
    "missing"[removed] no recordings exist of them?  I am considering making
    scripts available of some missing shows.  They would have to be from the
    Johnson's Wax series as those are the only scripts for which I have access.
    I would need to know the date (or approximate date) of the show.  Also, if
    you know the subject matter of the show it would help to pin it down. I
    suspect the scripts would not be available for distribution via e-mail for
    quite some time--many months.

    Ted

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:48:04 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: The Hayworths

    Hal Stone wrote:

>     Guess who changed her name from Margarita, shortened it to "Rita" and used
>     her mother's maiden name. :) Vinton's niece of course.

    I stand corrected -- and thanks for a fascinating bit of geneology. One
    would never have imagined from looking at the two of them that they were
    related.

    Of course, this means that Vinton Hayworth's nephew-by-marriage, for
    several years at least, would have been none other than Orson Welles. One
    can only imagine the sorts of conversations that might have come up
    around the family Thanksgiving dinner [removed]

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:48:30 -0500
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  capehart

    I'm sorry to say that the Capehart brand name was sold to a manufacturer who
    did not do it justice.  The Capehart equipment from the 1960's and '70's
    were about as horrid an example of low-income-area credit-furniture-store
    stuff as you could find.  I fixed a lot of it in New Haven in the '70's.

    Pre-Garrard record changers were indeed pretty rough on records, though they
    probably treated records better than people did.  We're talking about stylus
    pressures in ounces (I think 3 ounces was considered a good pressure for a
    78 rpm disk, eek.)

    I've noticed that there are a lot of turntables for sale in the
    geezer-variety Christmas catalogs we've been getting lately.  They're not
    great, but cartridge/stylus technology has gotten so good that even the
    crummiest cartridge and stylus you can get nowadays is actually quite good
    and will be kind to your records--probably lots kinder than a phonograph
    that has vacuum tubes and a brown-flocked platter.

    M Kinsler
    512 E Mulberry St. Lancaster, Ohio USA 740 687 6368
    [removed]~kinsler

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:48:37 -0500
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hal Stone

    WOW! Thank you, Hal, for the fascinating story of the relationship between
    Vinton Hayworth and Rita Hayworth!

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:48:14 -0500
    From: "Andrew Godfrey" <Niteowl049@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  World of respect for radio actors
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      I have a world of respect for radio actors since from what I hear they
    mostly read from scripts. Unlike a TV or movie actor who are in an actual
    scene a radio actor had to create the situation by reading lines from scripts.
      Hoping one of the actors from radio can tell me if actors ever did shows
    like they would be done in a play with furniture and props. Also, most
    pictures I have seen of radio actors doing shows they are standing. Were there
    situations where they got to sit down while reading their lines? It is uncanny
    how a radio actor could make their characters sound so real by reading lines
    from the script.

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:48:48 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  'OTR' From Movies

    Every so often, someone comments that the sound tracks of many films are
    a fair substitute for OTR in that a listener can get the story from just
    listening to dialects and sounds.  This may not be the case, though.  The
    film that made Raquel Welch famous, One Million Years BC, had not one
    syllable of understandable dialogue.  (The closest one could come to
    that, Judith Crist observed was, "When the Allosaurs get speared, they
    yell out, 'Wooooowww!'")  A really fine film like The Longest Day has
    dialogue in English, plus subtitled German and French.  Unless a listener
    is trilingual, he or she will miss a lot.  Likewise Tora! Tora! Tora!,
    with dialogue almost evenly divided between English and Japanese.  Then
    there was one 1950s spy film whose title I can't remember, where there
    was no dialogue whatsoever, but merely background sounds.  Ditto with Mr.
    Hulot's Holiday.

    OTR developed a special form of writing, called "Radio Dialogue," where
    the activity in question could be _completely_ understandable from
    dialogue alone.  Many times it was successful, though in some programs it
    could be very heavy handed.  As longtime readers of the Digest are aware,
    one of my favorite shows _because_ of its heavy-handed dialogue is Mr.
    Keen, Tracer of Lost Persons.  Where else would someone say, "What are
    you going to do with that gun in your hand?"  (A specific episode of Jack
    Armstrong had one almost as funny.  Jack, along with Billy and Betty
    Fairfield, were confronting a sinister man who was rifling "Uncle" Jim
    Fairfield's office.  As the confrontation was taking place, Betty cried
    out, "Look out, Jack!  He looks as if he's about to do something!"  How
    do you do that?)

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:48:58 -0500
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Conrad

    Hi Everybody, two question for Conrad.  do you have any  memories about
    Mayor of the Town during Christmas time, and on One Man Family were there
    a special type of bell used on that annual Christmas show?  Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:49:20 -0500
    From: Merlin Haas <mvhaas@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: article on  Richard Pryor and Charles
     Correll

        The Peoria (Ill.) Journal Star ran an article on Dec. 5 called
    "Sons of Peoria," which is subtitled " Richard Pryor and Charles
    Correll approached comedy and the black experience from opposite
    directions."
       There are several quotes from OTR Digest regular Elizabeth McLeod.

    The article is at:

    [removed]

    best -- Merlin Haas

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:49:33 -0500
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:Recommended Reading List

    In a message dated 12/10/02 4:04:13 PM, Jennifer Pope writes:

    <<  I'd recommend "The Red
    Decade: The Classic Work on Communism in America During the Thirties," by
    Eugene Lyons; "Hollywood Party: How Communism Seduced the American Film
    Industry in the 1930s and 1940s," by Kenneth Lloyd Billingsley; and
    perhaps "Joseph McCarthy: Reexamining the Life and Legacy of America's
    Most Hated Senator," by Arthur Herman. >>

    ***Since Jennifer has opened up this forum to suggested reading lists, I'd
    also like to recommend:  "Those Wonderful, Terrible Years: George Heller and
    the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists" by Rita Morley
    Harvey (a former soap opera actress and a longtime board member of AFTRA and
    the Screen Actors Guild).  The book was prepared with the assistance of lots
    of OTR favorites including Jackson Beck, Fran Carlon, Lon Clark, Peg Lynch,
    Arnold Moss, Ken Roberts, Abby Lewis, Margot Stevenson, Ezra Stone and the
    family of Bud Collyer.

    Much of the recent debate has centered around the idea of whether evil
    methods are justified in good and noble causes (such as the battle against
    Communism).  For that reason, I'd also recommend Helen Ellerbe's "The Dark
    Side of Christian History."  And I most definitely don't want this
    recommendation to be seen as denigrating modern Christians.  It's only
    intended to point out that out-and-out sadism (even beyond the horrors
    illustrated on Pupular Publication's pulp covers of the 1930s or perpetrated
    by the most deranged lunatics on THE SHADOW and LIGHTS OUT radio series),
    tortured "confessions," mass murders, genocide and such were historically
    used by the Inquisition, etc. in power and land grabs defended as being
    justified for a higher good (while often merely masking the actual
    suppression and destruction of authentic early texts and teachings of Gnostic
    and Templar Christianity ... by a sect that had allied itself with the might
    of the Roman Empire).  Again, this is not intended in any way as a criticism
    of modern Christian churches and practitioners, just as an examination of the
    dangers of justifying evil destructive actions because they're claimed at the
    time to by for a greater or higher good.  (Perhaps examining actions from
    many centuries ago avoids some of the emotionalism of more recent examples of
    the suppression of opposing ideas.)  The battle against Communism was good in
    itself; the tactics that were often directed at loyal liberal (and frequently
    Jewish) Americans like Norman Corwin and Ken Roberts were quite another thing
    entirely.

    I'd also like to recommend an article by Jane Stanton Hitchcock on the
    "Malius Mallificarum," (sp?) a religious edict that perpetrated a
    centuries-long European war on women.  The article appeared a few years back
    on the last page of NEWSWEEK and, of interest to OTR fans, was written by the
    daughter of Joan Alexander, radio's Lois Lane on THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN.
    I've misplaced the article at the moment, but if anyone is interested they
    can email me off list and I'll forward the information (or the text of the ar
    ticle) when I run across it.***

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:50:55 -0500
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  I'd Rather Eat Pants on NPR

    You can hear a sneak preview of Morning Edition's first original radio play,
    I'D RATHER EAT PANTS at [removed]  The five-act play, starring Edward Asner
    and Anne Meara, is a comic tale of an elderly couple's cross-country trek on
    a young slacker's motorcycle. They're in search of fame, fortune and a whole
    lot more. One act will air each morning during the week of Dec. 16-20. Check
    your local NPR station for time.

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:51:31 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  New radio web-site

    Bradley Thunderbird Phoenix, the Arts Director at WUSB - [removed] FM (airwaves),
    and Founder & President of Montage Radio Theatre, has his web-site up and
    going.  he asked me to help spread the word so enclosed is his web-site
    address, for anyone interested to take a peak.

    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:51:54 -0500
    From: "Andy  Lanset" <alanset@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  WNEW question

    Hello OTR List,

    Thanks again to those who helped me regarding the "Air Raid" copy.

    Question: Does anyone have any information (or copies of programs) regarding
    a WNEW show called, "So You Think You Know Music" possibly produced by Ted
    Cott?

    Thanks for your thoughts.

    Feel free to email me at this address.

    Andy Lanset, Archivist

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:09:42 -0500
    From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  A Rita Revelation
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    After what the Old Time Radio Digest List wrote:

>     But aren't the Hayworths, Rita and Vinton, related
>     somehow?

    And then even our resident research  whiz expert commented:

>     Rita Hayworth's real name was Margarita Cansino, and "Hayworth" was
>     simply a stage name -- so I don't think they were related.

    So come on now, didn't most of in the 'know' about the origin of Rita
    Hayworth's screen name feet tempted to submit a negative response to the
    original question? I know I did.

    In my faded memory I think I remember driving by the Casino dance studio (I
    think on Highland Avenue knowing that Rita must have grown up dancing in that
    building under the tuteledge of her father Eduardo.

    Then like a bolt outta the blue comes the revelation of the Hayworth
    connection and from our very own "Jughead" no less.

    Just goes to show us how small the world really is.  What gladdens me is the
    fact that Rita choose to honor her mother by using her maiden family name.

    Also, Hal, you might write the whole thing up in the genre of a Mr. Harvey
    reveal at the end Rita revelation.

    ---
    conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
       From the Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms
         Encino, California.

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    Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:10:23 -0500
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Ooops!

    Re: Rita Hayworth: Wow! I never thought I'd see the day that I knew
    something my friend Elizabeth didn't. :) I don't feel like such a dummy
    anymore.

    But I had an unfair advantage, knowing Vinton Hayworth as well as I did. But
    shucks, Elizabeth, you could have mentioned that among Vinton's long list of
    Credits was the fact that he played "Archie's" father "Mr. Andrews" for a
    few of the early years that the show ran. And you Digesters know that one of
    his more memorable TV roles was playing the "General" on "I Dream Of Genie"
    prior to Barton McClain playing that role, right? Sgt. Major O'Hare would
    have been proud of the "rank" his Grandson portrayed. And, that another of
    his decendents became a real life "Princess". :)

    By the way, Vinton's early childhood years were spent growing up in the
    Washington [removed] area, and the historical places that his grandfather took
    him were deeply rooted in the History and edifices within and surrounding
    our nation's capital, or train rides down to the Civil War Battlefields.

    While I'm at it, I might as well borrow a page from Howard Blue's marketing
    strategy and mention that you can learn more about Vinton Hayworth, and his
    "fun" side, by reading my book "Aw, Relax [removed]".

    You can order it online at

    [removed]  (Pay Pal is available)

    Or use the toll free telephone number 866-237-5664 between the hours of 8AM
    to 8PM Mountain time. The price is $[removed] + $[removed] S&H

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jug, the neophyte research expert :)

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