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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 442


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	  potpourri:TNG
	 Jack Benny and all related topics
	 The Bickersons
	 Re: [removed] Digest V95 #440
	 Re: Essential Shows
	 When Radio Was Stations
	 Giselle MacKenzie
	 ADMINISTRIVIA: WWW Page Update

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Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 06:30:00 GMT
From: [removed]@[removed] (Marty Tabnik)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject:  potpourri:TNG
Message-Id: <95120923554418067@[removed]>

 Ol> From: Henry Brugsch <henry@[removed]>

 Ol> The morning was either Don Mclean's Breakfast Club

I haven't thought about HIM in 30 years . . . but
        His name is/was Don McNeill <sp>
Shall we all march around the breakfast table? <g>
ISTR that his was an ABC [AMERICAN Broadcasting Company] network
program.  Corny?  Yup. But superior to GMAM!

 Ol> From: greggc@[removed] (GREGORY C. COLAN)
 Ol> Subject: The Bickersons
 Ol> Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
 Ol>
 Ol> Does anyone have any info on a radio program titled "The Bickersons"
 Ol> w/Don Ameche & Florence Henderson?

Many (all?) of them were written by Phillip Rapp.
I have a few ellpees and tapes in my collection.
And, yes, as a THRICE<whimper>-divorced man,
        I still find them funny.

Pro'ly the BEST exchange was [paraphrased]
        HIM: I'm the mildest-mannered of men.  I'd walk a mile
        to avoid an argument.  Yet, somehow, with you, I'm different.
        <pondering> Why IS that?
        HER: You've got me, John.
        HIM: That's it.
Oh, and it wasn't Flo Henderson, it was the great FRANCES LANGFORD.

Mentioning DON Ameche (brother Jim was also in OTR) reminds me of
the "review" of one his films by the legendary [read his book of
letters sometime -- I'm gonna find my copy and RE-read it!] FRED ALLEN:
         There's a movie that stars Don Ameche and --
                 He doesn't invent anything!

 Ol> From: roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull)
 Ol> Subject: The LR & T
 Ol> Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
 Ol>
 Ol> I enjoyed the post about the research on the origins of
 Ol> Tonto and his language.

Yes.  Huzzah, HUZZAH!
(Anyone else who has OTR linguistics?)


 Ol> On an early TV show for kids in a Hispanic area the
 Ol> anglo station manager wondered why the character Senior
 Ol> Cajones always got a big laugh. Eventually he found out
 Ol> why.

He was "having a ball"? <g>


 Ol> I imagine someone has done a doctoral dissertation on
 Ol> how to read the "stardates" on Startrek.

I've got a program that claims to be able to translate'em
into "normal" dates.


 Ol> From: Dave Spiceland <spicelandrd@[removed]>
 Ol> Subject: Who is Giselle?
 Ol> Message-id:
 Ol> <[removed]@[removed]>
 Ol> From: Kubelski@[removed]

 >My view on the show was that it was a solid "B."  Cutting the clips so
 >tightly and especially breaking up the "Getting To Know You" number with
 >McKenzie was criminal.  Of course, if I were editing the show, I probably
 >would have left that out altogether because nobody remembers Giselle
 >anymore, so I suppose I should credit the producer for including it in
 >the first place.
 Ol>
 Ol> I've always [removed] was [removed]

O nooooooo!
I *remember* "Giselle, Giselle <but not the rest of the lyrics>".
She was a lovely, talented, violin-playing, singing brunette.
ISTR that she had her own TV show.
[Hey, Lou!  Is early TV allowed here?]



 Ol> From: rwaite@[removed] (Roy Waite)
 Ol> Subject: Re: Der Bingle
 Ol> Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
 Ol> Marty Tabnik wrote:
 >        What "OTR FIRST" belongs to Der Bingle.
 Ol>
 Ol> Marty, I think that's an easy one, if  I'm right.  Der Bingle was the
 Ol> first radio performer to insist on transcribing his program so he could
 Ol> play golf. Am I right?  I believe ABC was the only, (at that time) and
 Ol> first network, to broadcast transcribed programs.

KeeRECKit!
And, of course, in so doing, Der Bingle paved the way not only for
transcriptions but for the preservation of many great OTR shows!
Bubba ba boooo, bubba ba baaaaaa, Bing!, wherever you are!



 Ol> From: TBARNETT@[removed]
 Ol> Message-Id: <m0tO2EN-000YICC@[removed]>
 Ol>
 Ol> 1.   Benny humor and programs required a knowledge of the characters
 Ol> in order to understand the humor. You needed to know some things
 Ol> like he was cheap, etc. Also a lot of characters made spontaneous
 Ol> appearances on his show from the radio program.

FWIW, I don't agree.
After all, if DOBIE GILLIS and LUCY can be successfully re-run,
then so can The Waukegan Kid.
[Anyone know who DOES own the rights?  My guess: Viacom.]


 Ol> 2.   The pace of the humor and Jack's character was very slow, well
 Ol> timed, and crafted pregnant pauses. Today's viewer,for the most
 Ol> part, grows impatient with this

We were talking about something like NickAtNite where
         Nostalgia rules!
I for one think that JB would be most welcome there.
---
 * SLMR [removed] * "Leave LATER and walk FASTER!"  *JackBenny to StanFreberg

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Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 03:46:36 -0500 (EST)
From: JACKBENNY@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Jack Benny and all related topics
Message-id: <01HYMLI52J4Q96X6JC@[removed]>

If I've been unseemingly quiet lately, it's because I've been out of town
most of the past three weeks (1 week personal, 2 weeks business).

OK, looks like it's time to publish the TV side of Jack's shows (sorry for
taking up OTR room for this, but I guess it's related):

CBS Sunday, 7:30
Irregular intervals (can get more specific if you'd like)
October 28, 1950 - May 17, 1953
Sponsored by Lucky Strike

Biweekly (almost)
September 13, 1953 - June 1959

CBS Sunday, 10:00
Biweekly
October 1959 - June 1960
Sponsored by Lever Brothers

CBS Sunday, 9:30
Weekly
October 1960 - June 1962
Sponsored by Lever Brothers/State Farm Insurance (until end of series)

CBS, Tuesday 9:30
September 1962 - September 1964

NBC, Friday 9:30
September 1964 - September 1965


CBS attempted to bring the show back in reruns in August 1977 in the 
Tuesday 8:00 time slot, but only ran four episodes.  As some may recall, the
wildly popular "Happy Days" was on ABC in that time slot.

The last show of the series (non-rerun) was 4/16/95, with guests of the
Smothers Brothers (there was a short clip from that on the recent [removed]
maybe that's a redundant statement).  I have never seen any of Jack's TV
shows (including that one) in color, but as AJR pointed out to me, some shows
may have been shot in color and preserved in B&W.  Funny, [removed] missed the
last segment of the special because of a news conference on that shooting
as well.  ([removed] 4/16[removed])

I think it was only proper that the "Getting to Know You" bit was used, since
it was a classic routine.  Hey, no one remembers Frank Nelson either, but we
still include the "yessssss" routine.   Now, [removed] flames.  I know everyone
here remembers Frank--he was a dear individual.  And someone recently 
mentioned his wife, Veola Vonn, talking about Phil Harris.

My main positive point on the tribute was that we didn't spend interminable
amounts of time with stars saying "Hey, I love Jack Benny.  He was totally
awesome.
"  As far as it being Jack's studio, I wouldn't doubt it.  As for the props,
probably not.

As for the essential radio, I'd have to say any one of the following should
be the included JB program(s):  3/28/48 "Your money or your life", 4/9/50
Jack gives 50 cents to a panhandler, or 2/14/54 Jack's 40th birthday.  Some
time I'll publish our list (well, it's really *my* list, but no one's taken
issue with it as yet) of the ten "essential" Jack Benny programs from radio.

And on Jack's reruns, I tend to agree that the comedy is just different from
I Love Lucy or Dick Van Dyke.  Notice that the Honeymooners is rerun, but
not the Jackie Gleason Show (from which the Honeymooners spun off).  Not sure
who owned the distribution rights to it (I've guessed MCA in the past), but
there was a "large" TV distribution package and a "small" package.  The "small"
package was run on CBN, whereas I've seen the "large" package run on local
stations.  It's also possible that MCA (or whoever the distributor was) is
not pushing the package any more.  I noticed that when Charles Michelson sent
out a flyer for the distribution of The Jack Benny Program and Burns and Allen,
a lot of stations picked up the package and ran them together.  I would think
that a cable station (like Comedy Central, or whatever) would be the most
likely forum for Jack's program.

So what do you all think about Kelsey Grammer hosting a tribute to Jack?
Just kidding.  8)

--Laura Lee
International Jack Benny Fan Club

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Date: Sun, 10 Dec 95 13:07 EST
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Bickersons
Message-Id: <m0tOqAE-000JgUC@[removed]>

>Does anyone have any info on a radio program titled "The Bickersons" w/Don
>Ameche & Florence Henderson? 
>

The Bickersons are alive and well on available tape.  In fact, if you have
or download, the RealAudio player, you can listen to them on your pc (given
a soundcard, of course). You can find the Bickersons at the RealAudio home 
page

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Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          AOL: JimWidner  
                          

                                                 

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Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 09:56:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Charlie D Matkin <cdm01@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
cc: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: [removed] Digest V95 #440
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Regarding the request for info on "The Bickersons"... I have numerous 
tapes of the shows. The were originally part of the Edgar Bergen & 
Charlie McCarthy show (or "The Chase & Sanborn Hour"); a skit which 
became so popular that they later got their own "spinoff" show. We have 
been doing re-creations as part of our "Comedy Shows" which we tape 
before a "live" audience every few months for broadcast on WRBH-FM, Radio 
for the Blind. Other stations, including WRNO Worldwide (shortwave) then 
run the tapes which we have been making available free of charge. We are 
a non-profit (501-C-3) organization, made up mostly of professional actors/
broadcasters who enjoy taking part. We want to make contact with other 
groups who are involved in similar projects and find out how to get 
funding for eventually paying the participants and possibly starting a 
radio museum here. We have performed in local schools and churches, as well 
the Jewish Community Center and hope to find a permanent home, soon. The 
Bickersons, by the way, is one of the most popular re-creations we do. 
This is not to say that Groucho, Burns & Allen, Baby Snooks, and Fibber 
McGee & Molly don't get a lot of laughs, too. We have done "Suspense", 
"The Shadow" and other adventure shows also, but they seem to be better 
suited to being done in the studio without an audience, as originally 
performed. Hope to get some comments from OTR fans on the internet. We 
have a catch phrase: "Be Radio [removed] Support New Orleans Radio 
Theatre, Inc." (Note: I use the hyphen in "re-creations" so as not to 
confuse what we do as a strictly "recreational" venture.)
	Charlie Matkin, President & Executive Director
	New Orleans Radio Theatre, Inc.
	[removed] Box 24184  New Orleans, LA 70184-4184
	Phone/FAX: (504) 282-6404

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Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 11:06:31 -0800
From: fred@[removed] (Fred Urrutia)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Essential Shows
Message-Id: <acf0d48d02021004a30c@[[removed]]>

On Friday, Alan Bell responded to a reaction to his original request:

>>Even a hundred shows would eventually wear thin.
>
>Of course it would. I'm not suggesting that everyone should have only a
>hundred shows. Just that these 50-100 shows make up a representative
>cross-section for someone starting out. (Or even someone like me who has
>been at it for a while but still has *lots* to discover.)

As a novice at collecting (and a charter member of Lou's "800 or so
lurkers" having mostly lurked since the 7th issue of OTR Digest)<g>, I
welcome such a list.

By way of example, in amateur radio or in classical music there are
pro-active programs to recruit and support new entrants to the hobby.
Amateurs have volunteer training and testing programs that results in
thousands of new radio amateurs each year. In classical music, there have
always been "essential" or "basic repertoire" lists (commonly 100 pieces)
suggested to those new to collecting.

As a novice myself, I have already started cutting and pasting together a
text document where I capture the suggestions from the reponses to Alan's
query in the daily otr digests I receive. If this continues, I'll end up
with more than 100, but this data will allow me to get a good start at
rounding out my small collection. I expect to really enjoy some of the
suggestions and, by getting pointed in a direction via this list, will
later collect series I might have overlooked had the list not been started
in the first place.

[Guess I don't have to keep clipping now that Lou has put it up on the OTR
Web page.]

So no matter where the philosophical discussion goes, I'll just keep
clipping suggestions for new shows to try. I've already got some good
suggestions from Jblackie@[removed], Alan Capsuto and David
[removed]''em comin', guys!

Thanks for the great idea, Alan!


--
Regards,
Fred Urrutia -- fred@[removed]
Livermore, CA

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Date: Sat, 9 Dec 95 23:39 PST
From: dwaynec@[removed] (Dwayne Cassidy)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: When Radio Was Stations
Message-Id: <m0tOgM5-0005B1C@[removed]>

On week nights we tune into When Radio Was on 1160 am KSL (Salt Lake City)
at 10:00 pm Pacific.  On weekends KIRO (Seattle), 710 am, plays several
programs back to back starting at 10:00 pm Pacific on both Saturday & Sunday
nights.  

Both stations have fairly wide coverage since I am located in southeastern
British Columbia.

dw. 

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Date: 10 Dec 1995 20:47:11 GMT
From: [removed]@[removed] (Robert j. Field)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: otr@[removed]
Subject: Giselle MacKenzie
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

> Who was Giselle MacKenzie?

I believe that Giselle MacKenzie was on the TV version of Your Hit Parade,
but I could be mistaken. 

Happy listening
Bob Field
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Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 17:56:33 -0600
From: lgenco@[removed] (Louis Genco)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA: WWW Page Update
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Tom Althoff just updated his public domain OTR Database program.  The most
recent version, MYCAT [removed] [removed] supports Networked operation and runs in
multiple windows under Windows [removed]

Tom also mentioned a bug in the older version, and recommended that current
users update from, and NOT distribute the old version.

The new version is now at my WWW site.  Other things there include RA
soundbytes, a running collection of your "Essential Programs", and a fairly
recent list of radio stations broadcasting OTR.  You may also wish to visit
the Sponsors section and do some Christmas shopping.

Apologies to those who might have tried logging in and got a message
indicating the site was down.  The provider's host hardware is sometimes a
little unstable.  If something seems broken, send me a note.

Lou
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