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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 382
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Re: what's in a name                  [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      [removed]                              [ "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed] ]
      Language and Regional Differences -   [ Christopher Werner <werner1@globalc ]
      continued                             [ Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed]; ]
      Benny's "your' money or your' life"   [ "rcg" <revrcg@[removed]; ]
      Elizabeth McLeod                      [ "ellsworth o johnson" <eojohnsonww2 ]
      Soda fountain                         [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
      Re: regionalisms and OTR              [ "Mike Mackey" <[removed]@[removed] ]
      10-21 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Language                              [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
      Radio Music                           [ Allen Wilcox <aawjca@[removed]; ]
      blooper strategy                      [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      Martin's ILAM Book                    [ "Paul M. Thompson" <beachcomber@com ]
      Mea culpa!                            [ Richard Carpenter <sinatra@ragingbu ]
      home broadcasting of otr              [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      Radio English                         [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:54:02 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

     From Those Were The Days --

    1930 - One of the most memorable of all radio shows, The Adventures of
    Sherlock Holmes, was first heard on the NBC Red network. Its first
    entry, The Speckled Band, featured William Gillette in the role of the
    famous detective. Gillette introduced Holmes to New York audiences as
    early as 1899.

    1932 - Journalist Robert Trout joined CBS.

    Joe

    --
    Visit my homepage:  [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:54:15 -0400
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: what's in a name

      Herb Harrison noted:

     > We wore suit-pants as part of our suits to church; other times we wore

>     pants. Sometimes we wore "dungarees" for play.

    We called them "overalls", and they even had a bib. And I didn't grow up on
    a farm, but just outside Manhattan, within city limits, on Long Island. :)

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:54:56 -0400
    From: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  [removed]

    I know we've spun wildly off topic, but I've found this thread fascinating
    and I hope Charlie will be patient with us.  In 380, Michael Biel wrote:

>     This goes further than anything I have ever heard before.
>     If you want an orange soda, how in the world would you expect
>     to get it if you ask a waitress for a coke????????????
>     Orange coke?????????  Since we now have Cherry Coke and Vanilla
>     Coke, if you ask for an orange coke, you are liable to get
>     a mixture of orange syrup and a Coca-Cola.

    I hadn't really thought of it before, but I was thinking about it from the
    other end of the transaction.  For example, you might offer someone a coke
    like this:

    A) "You want a coke?"

    B) "Sure."

    A) "Well, I've got Coke, Diet, and Mountain [removed]"

    B) "I'll take a diet."

    Also, if someone was heading to the store, you might say "Be sure to pick up
    some cokes too", knowing that whatever the usual brand purchased was implied.

    This list make a great resource for these kind of discussions because it
    spread across two distinct axis.  First, and most obvious is geographic
    variation.  We have people from all over the country (and world).  The second
    is age, we have members spread from young to old.  So not only do we get
    variation by region, but also by age within a region (or by region within
    age).  Fascinating.

    -chris holm

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:55:37 -0400
    From: Christopher Werner <werner1@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Language and Regional Differences - Michigan
     Dialect

    My good friend Chris Holm commented of Michigan English:

>     First, everyone used the word "pop", when every
>     sensible person knows it's called "coke".  It doesn't matter what you're
>     drinking, it's a coke - Coca-Cola is a coke, orange soda is a coke, root beer
>     is a coke, Pepsi-Cola is a coke.

    NO. Coke is what folks ask for in restaurants, Pepsi is what they get. I've
    lived in the Detroit area for over 45 years (with the grey hairs to prove
    it) and folks here can recognize a Fresca, Sprite, or 7-up at fourty paces.
    The term 'Coke' is used to refer to the family of 'Cola' beverages that are
    available: Coke, Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, Faygo Cola, RC Cola (ok, I'm not a big
    fan of Colas, so the purests might gasp at Dr. Pepper being added to the
    mix, to me it's always been a Cola because it's brown). Everything else is
    just 'Pop' (short for 'Soda Pop' - any carbonated flavored sugar water in
    the beverage aisle). Root Beer is never a coke, 'ol Sassafrass Juice is a
    favorite of A&Ws around here (Hires never stood a chance in the market) and
    lovers of a mug of it know the difference.

    Orange is Orange unless you're in Germany and then it becomes a 'Fanta'.

>     The second thing that really stood out is that everybody pluralizes words.

>     Anyway, is this pluralization a Midwestern thing?  Or just Michigan?

    I think it's a Saginaw thing, heavily influenced by nearby Frankenmuth
    where lots of Americans are taught that Family Style Fried Chicken is a
    Bavarian tradition - and it's always Christmas. Either they add the 's' to
    sound more German, or they listen to too many drunk folks (Ziss is wha'
    'chu gets ven zu acks zees qvestionses).

    It seems we do refer to businesses as if they were living entities. [removed]
    "I'm going to KMart's now" or "I'll be at Best Buy's". Perhaps your example
    person didn't make the conversion from plural to possessive? THAT problem I
    would blame on the totally screwed up English teaching methods of the past
    30 years. Not correcting students spelling or grammar was the stupidest
    thing they ever started doing ('as long as it "sounds" [removed]). Grrr.

    Either way Southeast Michigan has more grammar problems than plural names
    (which I rarely hear 40 miles south of Mr. Holm), Eubonics and backwoods
    Tennessee/Kentucky dialect has heavily influenced the language here and the
    frequent use of "I Ain't" and "I Seen" is much more annoying.

    Eloquently yours (ha, I can only hope!)

    Chris

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 11:03:48 -0400
    From: Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed];
    To: submit item <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  continued

    Here is the best address you can have if you are
    interested in sunspot activity and short wave
    reception.
    [removed]
    Pete

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 13:57:10 -0400
    From: "rcg" <revrcg@[removed];
    To: "Otr Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Benny's "your' money or your' life" episode

    Over the years I have read so much about the episode where Benny is accosted
    by a robber and doesn't respond to the "your' money or your' life" threat.
    Various OTR books and articles have claimed that the robber's line and
    Benny's silence set off one of the longest and most sustained laughs in
    radio history.

    I have heard the show several times, including last evening on WAMU's Big
    Broadcast and have always found the laughter to be fairly normal in both
    intensity and length. Really, nothing special.  I'm wondering if time has
    embellished the memories of those who write about this episode or has the
    recoeding been edited for purposes of time management.

    I'd appreciate it if anyone with an absolute knowledge of the situation
    would post their comments.

    Thanx

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:01:51 -0400
    From: "ellsworth o johnson" <eojohnsonww2@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Elizabeth McLeod
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain

    Folks maybe you all already know this but try it anyway.

    Go onto [removed]

    and in the search block type---Elizabeth McLeod

    and what comes up should amaze you.

    I was sort of shocked when I tried this same thing with my own name awhile
    back and discovered I am the subject of 3 articles on the [removed] one of which
    more or less concerns OTR

    Ellsworth O Johnson
    Spokane, Wa

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:02:06 -0400
    From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Soda fountain

              I was just listening to someone recount how they
    used to work in a soda fountain during the 1950's and
    how she used to discuss various OTR programs with
    her friends there.  I believe her actual words were: 'Some
    of my school friends would  come in and we'd talk about
    school, local gossip, and what we heard on the radio
    over a black cow.

              I never heard of a 'black cow' in this context.  What is
    it?  Is it possibly a soft drink or ice cream soda of some
    kind?

              Since there aren't that many soda fountains here in
    Texas anymore, I'm guessing it was something the soda
    fountain personnel served to customers.  Does this ring
    a bell with anyone out there?

    Kenneth Clarke

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: For recipes for a black cow, see:

    [removed]

    [removed]

       Personally, I prefer egg creams.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:27:31 -0400
    From: "Mike Mackey" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: regionalisms and OTR

    I for one have been intrigued by all the discussion of regional
    language usage. While its true we may have gotten away from the OTR
    theme occassionally, it has none the less been enlightening. I intend
    to keep all the communiques on this subject and maybe develop a small
    web-site based on it. If you have any other input and you don't want
    to share it here, I'd love to hear from you on it.

    By the way, I have 58 episodes of One Man's Family in my collection.
    I don't know if that is a common quantity or not.

    Mike Mackey
    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 15:41:19 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  10-21 births/deaths

    October 21st births

    10-21-1908 - Tommy Riggs - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 5-21-1967
    comedian: "Quaker Party with Tommy Riggs"; "Tommy Riggs and Betty Lou"
    10-21-1917 - Dizzy Gillespie - Cherow, SC - d. 1-6-1963
    musician: "This Is Jazz"
    10-21-1920 - Hy Averback - Minneapolis, MN - d. 10-14-1997
    announcer, actor: "Sealtest Village Store"; "Bob Hope Show"

    October 21st deaths

    01-03-1918 - Maxine Andrews - Minneapolis, MN - d. 10-21-1995
    singer: (Andrews Sisters) "Glenn Miller Orchestra"; "Andrews Sisters Revue"
    05-03-1910 - Curt Massey - Midland, TX - d. 10-21-1991
    singer: "Show Boat"; "Curt Massey Show"
    06-18-1906 - Jeanette MacDonald - Philadelphia, PA - d. 10-21-1965
    singer: "Nobody"s Children"; "Vicks Open House"; "Campbell Playhouse"
    09-06-1894 - Billy Mills - Flint, MI - d. 10-21-1971
    conductor: "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "Great Gildersleeve"; "Amos 'n" Andy"
    12-06-1904 - Elissa Landi - Venice, Italy - d. 10-21-1948
    actress: "I"m An American"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    01-03-1918 - Maxine Andrews - Minneapolis, MN - d. 10-21-1995
    singer: (Andrews Sisters) "Glenn Miller Orchestra"; "Andrews Sisters Revue"
    05-03-1910 - Curt Massey - Midland, TX - d. 10-21-1991
    singer: "Show Boat"; "Curt Massey Show"
    06-18-1906 - Jeanette MacDonald - Philadelphia, PA - d. 10-21-1965
    singer: "Nobody"s Children"; "Vicks Open House"; "Campbell Playhouse"
    09-06-1894 - Billy Mills - Flint, MI - d. 10-21-1971
    conductor: "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "Great Gildersleeve"; "Amos 'n" Andy"
    12-06-1904 - Elissa Landi - Venice, Italy - d. 10-21-1948
    actress: "I"m An American"; "Lux Radio Theatre"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:45:55 -0400
    From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Language

    Harry Button recommended the book 'The Story of English' which sounds like
    something I want to read, so I went looking for it.    In checking
    availability I found many used copies at

    [removed]

    starting at $[removed]

    Now a few notes on language.

    There is one pronunciation especially popular among sports announcers that
    is curious.    They pronounce height (hite) as highth.

    I grew up saying 'close the light' like my parents instead of 'turn off the
    light' because of the translation from Greek to English.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.  said he had a college friend  who was a NYC native
    who used to 'take' haircuts.    I grew up in the greater NYC area and don't
    remember hearing that but my husband who is from the Boston area 'takes'
    haircuts.    I was astounded when I first heard this.  Folks I knew 'got'
    haircuts.  And it seems in Hollywood they 'take' lunch and 'take' meetings.

    And, finally, thanks to Elizabeth and others in clearing up my Lum 'n Abner
    question about what I heard as 'farkin'.    Sparking it is.    I've listened
    more closely and it came up again, loud and clear as sparkin' or sparking.

    Have a wonderful time at the various conventions.    They all sound great.

    Irene

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:54:00 -0400
    From: Allen Wilcox <aawjca@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio Music

    Hello radio fans!
    I was wondering if there was anybody that has put on
    CD some of radio's most popular theme song. And I was
    wondering if Bernard Herman recorded his music
    especially for radio.
    Allen

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:54:35 -0400
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  blooper strategy

    Prof Biel wrote of a fairly horrible technical blooper:

>     What makes this even funnier is that according to the article, no listener
>     complained!  And neither has the Church!!!

    In my brief but eventful radio career, I was told by our old chief engineer
    that whenever you make a mistake in broadcasting, don't ever acknowledge it
    on the air.  Garrison Keillor, in his book WLT: A Radio Romance, discusses
    the same thing.  He said that if you never mention that it happened, most
    people will wonder if they really heard it.

    The strategy seems to work remarkably well.

    M Kinsler

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:34:08 -0400
    From: "Paul M. Thompson" <beachcomber@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Martin's ILAM Book

    This past weekend I have been captivated by Martin Grams latest book
    "The I Love A Mystery Companion". I've been a fan of ILAM ever since it
    first aired and thought I knew quite a bit about the show, it's cast,
    creator
    and history. What an awakening!  Martin has managed to pull together
    just about all that is generally known about the series from a variety of
    sources and through his extensive research efforts managed to add a
    wealth of new information, data, tidbits and trivia. All under one cover!
    Also to be found is a chapter synopsis with dates and titles for every
    ILAM show aired. Same thing for the Adventures By Morse and I Love
    Adventure runs plus much, much more. An indispensible tool for any
    fan of ILAM or Carlton E. Morse.  Well done Martin!!

    It can be ordered from OTR Publishing, PO Box 252, Churchville, MD
    21028 by sending your name address and phone number along
    with a check or money order for $[removed] plus $[removed] postage. Add
    $[removed] postage for each additional book ordered. The usual caveat
    applies about any connection I might have with the publisher which
    is none but thought this was too good a modern day "radio premium"
    not to have a bit of fanfare.

    Paul Thompson

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    Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 23:34:19 -0400
    From: Richard Carpenter <sinatra@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Mea culpa!

       I recently wrote that I was confused by a
    sitcom-type "One Man's Family" program that seemed
    unlike the other OMFs. Turns out that upon closer
    inspection the Halloween show was actually "Father
    Knows Best." Do I feel like a dope or what?

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    Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 00:57:41 -0400
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  home broadcasting of otr

    My guess is that an AM transmitter is best for broadcasting otr at home, but
    the knowledgable folks at
    [removed]+phono recommend that you find a good one.  There are a
    number of designs.  Check with the aforementioned newsgroup to see what they
    recommend.

    You might have some luck experimenting with the modules they use for FM
    wireless microphones, though.  Some of these used to be available without
    the microphone and seemed to work reasonably well.

    Make sure that anything you buy is certified to comply with FCC Part 15
    rules.

    M Kinsler
    512 E Mulberry St. Lancaster, Ohio USA 43130 740-687-6368
    [removed]~mkinsler1

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    Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:42:21 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio English

>     Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:18:38 -0400
>     From: "Harry" <hb1379@[removed];

>     "What attitude should the new BBC take towards such coinings as
>     cocktail, pussyfoot, road-hog and sneak-thief" And, perhaps most
>     sensitive of all, what English accent should the BBC adopt?

    What I remember is that for many years, well into the 1970s at least, the BBC
    World Service
    kept referring to Iran as "Persia."  They also had a standard way of
    referring to prime
    ministers:  "The prime minister, Mrs. Thatcher"  "The Canadian prime
    minister, Monsieur
    Trudeau"  "The West German chancellor, Herr Kohl."  This tendency to use
    native-language
    honorifics had its limits, though.  They referred to "The Israeli prime
    minister, Mr. Begin," not
    "Adon Begin."

    They seem to have become less formal lately.  Now they refer to "The prime
    minister, Tony
    Blair."

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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