Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #264
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 8/31/2005 10:05 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 264
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      FOTR CONVENTION IN [removed]               [ Hal Stone <otrjug@[removed]; ]
      grander ole' opry                     [ <cooldown3@[removed]; ]
      Classical Music Themes in OTR         [ "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed]; ]
      Classical music as [removed]          [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
      Are ya'll listenin'? I say, are ya l  [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      Prokofiev/FBI                         [ Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed]; ]
      Who 'that man' was                    [ Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed]; ]
      Book Beat                             [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
      Godfrey and Quinn -- from "Living th  [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
      "That's a Joke, Kemosabe!"            [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
      western theme                         [ gary young <garyy2002us@[removed]; ]
      FBI show theme                        [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
      Classical Theme Songs                 [ "Henry R. Hinkel" <hinkel@[removed] ]
      Classical Music Themes                [ "Jim Cox" <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
      Ur-War of the Worlds                  [ "karl tiedemann" <karltiedemann@hot ]
      OTR Actor Bouchey                     [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
      Bill Bouchey                          [ "Lois Culver" <loiseula@[removed] ]
      OTR catchphrases                      [ Danica Stein <danicas@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:11:53 -0400
    From: Hal Stone <otrjug@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  FOTR CONVENTION IN [removed]

    Just thought I'd say a few words about the upcoming FOTR (Friends of Old
    Time Radio) Convention being held near the Newark Airport on Oct. 20, 21,
    22, 23.

    This is the Grand-Daddy of all the OTR Conventions, and they will be
    celebrating their 30th Anniversary. Jay Hickerson informs me that 30 OTR
    guests have been invited.

    Not to be maudlin or employ sick humor, I could say something [removed]"Gee!
    I didn't know there were that many of us left". But on that point, OTR
    actors actually are a vanishing breed, and if you have never been to one of
    these OTR Conventions, now would be a perfect time.

    You will get to see mucho dealer tables during the mornings, and attend many
    OTR related [removed] OTR guest [removed] not to mention the many
    recreations that the pro's participate in.

    But best of all, I have never been to any OTR event where the actors don't
    make themselves readily available to chat and mingle with the
    conventioneers. If you are a true fan of OTR, but have yet to experience the
    full array of OTR activities offered by FOTR in the New York/New Jersey
    area, this would be the year to do it. It will probably be the last time so
    many OTR veterans will be assembled.

    The Newark, NJ location is ideal, because it's close to New York, yet has
    lower hotel rates (comparatively speaking). You get more bang for the buck,
    as they say. And it's only a stones throw (pardon the pun) from Newark
    Airport, so people can easily get there from anyplace in the Country, hop
    the hotel shuttle bus, check into the hotel, register at the Convention
    Desk, and start having fun. There are always the regulars that show up, many
    of them the heavy hitters (posters) that you know from this Digest.

    I'll be there from the evening of Oct 19th thru Sunday morning, the 23rd.
    (For whatever that's worth).

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:20:48 -0400
    From: <cooldown3@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  grander ole' opry

    Hi All.

    I haven't seen the Renfro Valley Barn Dance mentioned yet. Below is a link
    to the website

    [removed]

    and the link to the 2006 bluegrass festival there

    [removed]

    OTR, live on stage. Still going strong.

    Y'all come down some time,
    Patrick[in bowling green, ly]

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:21:05 -0400
    From: "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Classical Music Themes in OTR

    [removed]@[removed]  writes:

>     The only ones I recall are "William Tell" for The Lone
>     Ranger; "Flight Of The Bumblebee" [Rimsky-Korsakov]
>     for The Green Hornet;  "Omphales Spinning Wheel"
>     [St. Seans] for The Shadow, and "Donna Diana Overture"
>     [Reznicek] for Challenge Of The Yukon. Does anyone
>     know of more classical music used as themes for those
>     programs we all love?

    In the Lone Ranger, the main themes were from the final
    part of the overture to Rossini's "William Tell," but they
    also used Liszt's "Les Preludes,"  Berlioz's "Symphonie
    Fantastique," and Mendelssohn's "Hebrides (Fingal's Cave)
    Overture" for incidental music.

    Other themes:
    "Captain Midnight" - Wagner's "The Flying Dutchman"
    "The Family Hour" - Debussy's "Clair de Lune"
    "The FBI in Peace and War" - Prokofiev's March from "Love
         for Three Oranges"
    "The Goldbergs" - Toselli's "Serenade"
    "I Love a Mystery" and "I Love Adventure" both used "Valse
         Triste" by Sibelius
    "Lorenzo Jones"  - Luigi Denza's "Funiculi Funicula"
    "Mandrake the Magician" - Dukas' "The Sorcerer's Apprentice"
    "Milton Berle" - "On the Trail" from Grofe's "Hrand Canyon Suite"
    "Mr. District Attorney" - "Ein Heldenleiben" by. Richard Strauss
    "We the People" and NBS's "Toscanini, the Man behind the Legend"
          with Ben Grauer both used Brahm's first symphony
    "You Are There" used Copland's "Fanfare for the Common Man"

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:04:32 -0400
    From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Classical music as [removed]

    Here are a few more classical themes that I can think [removed]

        Chicago Symphony orchestra, cond. by Henry Weber:  Brahms: Symphony no.
    1, last mvt. at the tempo change.
        Longienes Symphonette, Michel Piastro, cond.  Beethoven's "Moonlight"
    sonata, 1st mvt. (arr. for orchestra); Beethoven:  Symphony no. 5, last
    movement.
        First Piano Quartet:  Rachmaninoff:  Variations on a theme of Paganini
    (1 of the variations; can't recall which one).
        Cities Service Band of America.  I think Paul Lavalle composed his own
    "Cities Service march."
        Karl Haas' music appreciation program.  Beethoven's "Pathetique" piano
    sonata (1st mvt.)

        And several more that were themes of radio drama programs.  "Escape" had
    two themes, both by Musorgskii:  Night on bare mountain and Pictures at an
    Exhibition.
        That's just the tip of the iceberg; other contributors will recall the
    [removed]!

    Ted Kneebone.  OTR website:  [removed]
    Democrats: [removed]
    1528 S. Grant St., Aberdeen, SD 57401 / Phone: 605-226-3344

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:05:14 -0400
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Are ya'll listenin'? I say, are ya listenin?

    Dear Elizabeth-

    I'd welcome the opinions  of animation/radio experts here, because, in my
    readings,  [removed]

>     "For example, people
>     who know the catchphrase "That's a  joke, son!" and say it in perfect
>     imitation
>     of Foghorn Leghorn, but who miss  the joke that the rooster is a take-off
>     on Senator  Claghorn!"

    ...has always still been a bone of contention - to a  degree, anyway.

    At least, in his autobio, Mel Blanc claimed that his  voice was developed
    without reference to Kenny Delmar's. In support of that,  unlike voice artists
    like Paul Frees and Daws Butler, Blanc rarely used  imitation as a basis.

    Curiously,
    Craig

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:07:11 -0400
    From: Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Prokofiev/FBI
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>     I've always thought that was ironic, using music for a program about
>     the FBI from a Russian composer living under communism.

    Prokoviev who studied under Rimsky-Korsakov amongst others spent time in
    the US and in Europe
    outside of Russia. He arrived broke in 1918, wrote the opera "Love of
    Three Oranges" for the Chicago
    Opera which was premiered under his direction 30 December 1921 in Chicago.
    Before the premier however:

    "Even though he finished the Love for Three Oranges on time, the director
    of the Chicago Opera, Cleofonte Campanini died suddenly in December 1919
    and the premiere was postponed until the following year. Prokofiev was
    left unpaid for his opera, and concert appearances were drying up. Once
    again poor and out of work, Prokofiev  set sail for Paris in the spring of
    1920 to hook up with Diaghilev."
    "It is ironic that Prokofiev left American shores on such bitter terms.
    When The Love for Three Oranges finally did premiere in Chicago in
    December 1920, it was an immediate hit. So successful was the reception in
    fact, that it was staged in opera houses throughout Europe"
    Obviously internet sources disagree on the year but not the month.

    The suite "Love of Three Oranges" was composed in 1924 and premiered in
    Paris under Serge Koussevitsky of Boston Symphony Orchestra fame.

    For further information:  [removed]

    Theme for the FBI in Peace and War appropriate?  Why not, he lived here
    when he wrote it.
    Ed Kindred

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:01:34 -0400
    From: Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed];
    To: ToPostOn OTRdigest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Who 'that man' was

    In #263 Stuart Lubin wrote the following re my posting
    "A long wait":

>     Interesting story, Phillip Chavin, of the guest on
>     Bergen-McCarthy,
>     getting a shoe shine.  But we are all dying to know:
>      Who WAS that man?

    The man was Frankie Laine.  The Bergen-McCarthy taping
    I was waiting in line for, and attended, was broadcast
    on February 1, 1953.  Soon I'm going to start a search
    to try to find out if there's a recording of that
    broadcast in circulation.

    -- Phil C.

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:02:07 -0400
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Book Beat
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    Jell-O Again, Gang!

    I'd like to second Laura Leff's praise pf Elizabeth McLeod's recent McFarland
    release "The Original
    Amos 'n' Andy: Freeman Gosden, Charles Correll and the 1928--1943 Radio
    Serial."  I just acquired
    a copy of it for myself, and to borrow a turn-of-phrase from Edd
    "Kookie"Byrnes, Elizabeth's book is
    the "ginchiest!" For the record, Ms. McLeod was kind enough to put my name in
    the acknowledgments
    even though my contribution negligibly consisted of digging up  an "A'n'A"
    radio review from some NYC
    newspaper or another from the microform room at the"mane" NYPL (the lion
    sentries "Patience" &
    "Fortitude"  say "hello"). Elizabeth's book is quite comprehensive amd
    informative. One only hopes she'll
    take on pursuing  a post-1943 sequel, or perhaps writing an "A'N'A" radio
    log-book based on the 4,000 +
    "A'n'A" scripts she has access to-- a book akin to Ms. Leff's "39 Forever"
    logbook of "The Jack Benny
    Show."

    Which reminds [removed] long as I'm praising two of my favourite under-40 OTR
    historians, I'd also would
    like to recommend the aforementioned "39 Forever." I like to think that
    younger folks like Martin Grams Jr.
    and Laura Leff have totally re-invented the concept of the OTR episode log by
    actually taking the time to
    listen to the many episodes in [removed] I've seen some early OTR-related
    logs from the early 1970s, and
    although they were good for their day, their authors and compilers did not
    always have hundreds of episodes
    at-hand like nowadays and were usually only able to impart minimal information
    -- usually an airdate, a title,
    and an occasional guest-star or two.

    What OTR fans these days crave are episode "synopses"  and that's what is most
    prized in each
    episode write-up chronicled by Laura. I happen to know of a couple of
    log-meisters pondering going back
    through their own earlier works and expanding them to include the invaluable
    plot [removed]'d like to think
    with her "39 F" that Laura's has become the gold-standard by which future
    log-books will be judged.

    Unsolicitedly yours in the ether,

    Derek Tague

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:05:18 -0400
    From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Godfrey and Quinn -- from "Living the Life of
     Riley"

>     Godfrey would tell one or two Irish stories - or have a brief conversation
>     with his Hibernian colleen, singer Carmel Quinn. As a result he'd get stuck
>     in the Irish lilt for the rest of the program, or at the least that 15-minute
>     segment. His Irish song recordings - both with Ms. Quinn and on his own -
>     sold very well, as did his many, many others.

    Does anyone know if Ms. Quinn is still around? I have one of her records,
    with Arthur Godfrey joining in on "The Humour is On Me Now," where the
    grooves had been worn flat about 20 years ago. I've always felt that, for the
    sentimental version of Irish songs she was unbeatable.

     B. Ray

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:05:56 -0400
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  "That's a Joke, Kemosabe!"
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    About recent OTR catch-phrases still in use today as  mentioned here on the
    Digest:

    Oft-times at FOTR conventions here in NJ, I find myself getting OTR dealer
    Anthony
    Tollin a can of Coca-Cola from the private stash in my room. Each time I'd
    hand him one,
    one of us would say "I say, I say, That's a Coke, Son! Coke, that is!" It
    never stops
    being funny between [removed]' I must defer to Commissioner Tollin on this
    account. His
    "Senator Claghorne" is many times better than mine, but, then again, I never
    had the
    honour of having once been Kenny Delmar's next-door neighbour as Tony once
    did.

    As for "What do you mean 'we,' Kemosabe?": this is a punchline to a joke in
    which
    The Lone Ranger and Tonto find themselves trapped in a canyon surrounded on
    all
    sides by hostile Indians. The Ranger says something like, "We've been in
    tougher
    situations, Tonto." to which Tonto replies with the above punch-line.

    This line is usually delivered when someone presumptuously includes another
    person
    into a collective "we." I even heard Connie Kendall say "What do you mean
    'we,'  Kemosabe?"
    to Eugene Meltsner on an episode of the latter-day radio drama "Adventures in
    Odyssey."

    "that's about the size of it!"

    Derek Tague

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:06:15 -0400
    From: gary young <garyy2002us@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  western theme
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    I am a lurker and read the digest religiously and learn from you all. Thank
    you.
    With  the discussion about National barn dance, grand ole opry, Hollywood
    barn dance, I was hoping someone out there could assist me in getting or
    pointing me in the right directions to get good quality copies (MP3 if
    possible).  I discovered after hearing All star western theatre and Gene
    Autry's melody ranch and some others, I have a real liking and interest in
    old western performers.  I just like the music I guess.  I'm  looking for
    NBD, [removed] , HBD and Louisianna hay ride

    Thanks

    Garyy2002us@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:07:38 -0400
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  FBI show theme

    On Wednesday, August 31, 2005, at 03:12 PM Alan Bell wrote:

>     The theme to The FBI in Peace
>     and War was Prokofiev's March from the Love for Three Oranges.
>     I've always thought that was ironic, using music for a program about
>     the FBI from a Russian composer living under communism.

    Walter Winchell thought it was ironic too, and in one of his columns he
    chided J. Edgar Hoover for using music from a Communist composer on his
    FBI show.

    In rebuttal, Hoover pointed out that 1) Sergei Prokofiev was not a
    Communist. He fled his native country in 1918 and lived in France until
    1936 before reluctantly returning to the Soviet Union, where he was
    severely criticized by the Communists for his "ideological laxity" and
    2) "The FBI in Peace and War" was not authorized by the FBI nor did
    they render it any cooperation.  The FBI "official" show was "This is
    Your FBI."

    Case closed.

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
    [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:27:38 -0400
    From: "Henry R. Hinkel" <hinkel@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Classical Theme Songs

    Thanks to all who answered my inquiry both privately and here on the Digest
    for the question on Classical Theme Songs.

    For those of you who may be interested, go to Lou Genco's webpage at
    [removed]   where there is a list of 84 theme songs from
    various OTR shows including 19 that were classical.

    Thanks again to all who responded to my inquiry.

    Hank Hinkel

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:29:16 -0400
    From: "Jim Cox" <otrbuff@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Classical Music Themes

    B. Ray writes:

>     I don't remember the particular soap opera, but one of them adapted the main
>     theme from the last movement of Sibelius' 2nd symphony, and I think I
>     remember the 2nd movement of the Brahms double concerto used as a theme.

    Could he be thinking of the first movement of Tchaikovsky's Sixth Symphony,
    "Pathetique" by Breil, which for more than 21 years (1937-1959) introduced
    the Road of Life each day, and sometimes twice daily on competing networks?
    It even had a six-month run on CBS-TV from late 1954 to mid 1955.  That
    familiar ditty was more commonly recalled by the housewives as "music for
    the Duz program," historians attest, and during much of the run was played
    by organist Charles Paul.

    Brahms' "Lullaby," meanwhile, accompanied Hilltop House on and off the ether
    on a xylophone during its heyday.  The serial aired in a trio of segments --
    1937-1941, 1948-1955, 1956-1957.  Other Brahms music could have been
    utilized elsewhere, of course, and if so I simply don't recall it.

    Jim Cox
    otrbuff@[removed] (new address)

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:30:29 -0400
    From: "karl tiedemann" <karltiedemann@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ur-War of the Worlds

    This item has been banked by the BBC for quite a while so someone may
    already have introduced it here, but it's really too good to risk people
    missing [removed]  Head on over to:
    [removed]
    and listen to this absolutely fascinating-- and funny-- program about a
    forgotten precursor to the Welles Martian broadcast.  THE RIOT THAT NEVER
    WAS tells the story of the extraordinary effects of a spoof newscast put out
    by the eminent priest/theologian/detective story writer/wit and prankster
    Msgr. Ronald A. Knox.  In 1926!  It's pretty amazing.

    Suggestion:  Listen to the "reconstruction" before clicking on the program
    (or should I say programme?) proper.

                                      Karl Tiedemann

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:30:38 -0400
    From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR Actor Bouchey

    <[removed]@[removed]; wondered about
    Willis Bouchey:

    Look for yourself.  A much younger Bill Bouchey

    [removed]

    CAB

    ---
    conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
    Encino, CA
    Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:02:25 -0400
    From: "Lois Culver" <loiseula@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Bill Bouchey
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          Bill Bouchey (later Willis) was a friend of ours.  He did radio in
    Hollywood, then moved to New York where he was in radio.  He married there
    and they moved back to Hollywood, where later he directed - mostly for AFRS

          Lois Culver
          Mrs. Howard Culver

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    Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:02:41 -0400
    From: Danica Stein <danicas@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR catchphrases

    Haven't posted in a while, but this thread suddenly made me realize
    something. Whenever the phone rings in our house, I yell "hello!" Then,
    my partner James says:

    "Go to the PHONE and answer it!"

    --Danica

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