Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #406
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Date: 12/22/2001 2:18 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2001 : Issue 406
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: Christmas Quiz                    [ JDavis3153@[removed] ]
      Re: Amos Street and Andy Street       [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      OT: Picture CD                        [ "[removed]" <swells@[removed]; ]
      Historical reference                  [ "jay ranellucci" <jayran33@hotmail. ]
      Goon Show                             [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      was it KNX or CBS??                   [ "Eric Cooper" <ejcooper2001@[removed] ]
      Lux article                           [ Ga6string@[removed] ]
      Re: The Sky-Ride Towers               [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      OT: Picture CD                        [ Charles <chascav@[removed]; ]
      Seattle Rainiers broadcaster          [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      Where is the NEW OTR?                 [ Michael Edwards <medwards_47@yahoo. ]
      I Love A Mystery                      [ James Herman <californiajamesh@yaho ]
      Sandra Gould                          [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
      December 7th Gildersleeve             [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Bing Crosby KMH radio show            [ jao@[removed] (Joseph Onorato) ]
      Today In Radio History                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      RE: WHY CA, UK, AUS, ETC.             [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:56:40 -0500
    From: JDavis3153@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re: Christmas Quiz

    The answers to Tony Baechler's Fibber McGee & Molly quiz are;

     1. What was the little girl's first name?   Elizabeth
     2. What was Doc's first name?   George

    Merry Christmas,
    Jeff

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    Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:21:41 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Re: Amos Street and Andy Street

    Lee Munsick wrote:

>     I wouldn't be surprised if Chicago has (or had) something named for Amos n'
>     Andy or Gosden & Correll.

    Not in Chicago, as far as I know, although such a tribute would have been
    appropriate, given their place in broadcasting history. Maybe whatever
    enterprises currently occupy the space that used to be WMAQ Studio D on
    the 24th floor of the Chicago Daily News Building or NBC Studio F on the
    20th floor of Merchandise Mart (from which they broadcast), or Suite 2411
    at the old Palmolive Building (where they wrote their scripts) might
    consider putting up a plaque in their memory, but somehow I doubt it.

    However, in the town of Lakewood, California, you *can* stand at the
    intersection of Amos Street and Andy Street. These streets were laid out
    in the thirties by a subdivision developer who was an A&A fan -- Amos
    Street runs north-south for about four blocks, and Andy Street runs
    east-west across the southern end of Amos Street, forming a short "T."
    This was a middle-class suburban area when the streets were laid out, but
    is a rather rough neighborhood today.

    There is also a "Kingfish Street" in Orlando, FL, but this probably has
    more to do with the actual fish of that name than with the radio
    character. It would be a great address for a fly-by-night business
    venture, however.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:21:47 -0500
    From: "[removed]" <swells@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: OT: Picture CD

    :-) To be honest, I am confused as to what I was refering to. I just saw on
    the DVD player itself that it would display picture CD's. Not for sure what
    format they have to be in or anything, but it's rather a neat feature
    though.
    Shawn

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:44:07 -0500
    From: "jay ranellucci" <jayran33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Historical reference

    In the San Fernado valley just south of the Hollywood freeway near Universal
    Studios is "Rue De Vallee" and in Encino the former home for so many of our
    beloved radio stars is "Edward Everitt Horton Lane" (That's so long they put
    it on two signs).  Also in Palm Springs there's
    "Bob Hope Dr." or lane.  I'm sure there are a great many more in Palm
    Springs but I don't have that map handy.
    Merry Christmas to all.

                               Jay
    "The only good radio is OTR"

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:44:17 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Goon Show

    Does anyone out there know much about the "Goon Show"? I have several programs
    and I listen to them every chance that I get. I would like to know a little of
    its history and something about there stars other than Peter Sellers.  Thanks,

    Ron Sayles

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:44:27 -0500
    From: "Eric Cooper" <ejcooper2001@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: was it KNX or CBS??

    I have always wondered about this minor little thing, since  topics does
    come up on here concerning networks and/or affiliated vs owned stations.
    (This question is probably best addresed either to Hal Stone and Conrad
    Binyon or to Michael Biel and/or Elizabeth McLeod.)
    Did the average listener identify such a program as "Lux Radio Theater" or
    even  a "Superman" broadcast as coming from KNX or KHJ (to use old-time
    affiliates where I live) or as coming from CBS or Mutual. To clarify
    further, it seems to me most likely today for a person to say "turn on
    Channel 2" when they want to see  "Everybody Loves Raymond", rather than for
    them to say "turn on CBS". Would a person in the 1940s have said "Turn on
    KFI, I want to hear "Archie Andrews", ( or KNX for "Lux") or would they have
    said "turn on NBC"?

    Eric Cooper

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:44:35 -0500
    From: Ga6string@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Lux article

    Thanks Michael J. Hayde for the tip on that excellent Lux article in The
    Economist. I enjoyed it quite a bit!
    Bryan Powell

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:45:13 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Re: The Sky-Ride Towers

    An addendum to my previous response to Lee Munsick's comment regarding
    landmarks named for A&A in Chicago -- while it's true that there aren't
    any currently standing, I should mention at one time the tallest manmade
    structures in the US west of New York stood in Chicago -- and were known
    as "Amos" and "Andy."

    These were the support towers for the "Sky Ride" attraction at the
    1933-34 Century of Progress Exposition in Chicago. Built of steel
    girders, and covered with electric lights, the two towers were by far the
    tallest structures in the city -- approximately 64 stories high -- and
    supported a cable-car ride that carried passengers on an 1800-foot trip
    across the fairgrounds while suspended more than 600 feet in the air.

    Correll and Gosden were deeply honored by the naming of these structures
    after their characters, and took an extremely active role in promoting
    the Fair. They appeared in person to dedicate the Sky Ride on the Fair's
    opening day -- and a Paramount newsreel survives of their struggle to get
    the ceremonial bottle to break across the gate. After the Fair was open,
    the performers sent Amos, Andy, and the Kingfish on a road trip to
    Chicago to tour the exposition for themselves -- and for two weeks in
    July and August 1933, the nightly episodes followed the travelers on a
    tour of the grounds, as they visited the exhibits and commented with
    amazement on what they saw. (While they discussed the Sky Ride, they
    obviously never referred to the towers by name.)

    "Amos" and "Andy" were demolished after the fair ended, and outside of
    old postcards you'd be hard pressed today to find any evidence that they
    ever existed.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:45:29 -0500
    From: Charles <chascav@[removed];
    To: otr <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: OT: Picture CD

    I missed the earlier post but GRAPHIC WORKSHOP PRO from
    [removed] can write Kodak photo cd format files.
    Charles
    (Interesting web site in its own right.)

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:45:44 -0500
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Seattle Rainiers broadcaster

    Tas Richardson asked if anyone remembered who the sportscaster was for
    the Seattle Rainiers in the old Pacific Coast League.

    I think he must be remembering  Leo Lassen who broadcast the games over
    KOL for thirty years. Also known as "The Great Gabbo" he was on the job
    til the mid 50's.
    As for me I was a Los Angeles Angels fan whose games were broadcast by
    Bob Kelly. I lived across the street from two Angels players and got to
    go to alot of games. Not only did I get in free but I also got rides to
    the ballpark(Wriggley Field).

    Those were great days with some really great players many of whom later
    played or managed in the Majors. Too many to mention here. There is a
    very nice website for the Rainiers at
    [removed]  where you can hear The
    Great Gabbo still calling those games!

    George Aust

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:46:13 -0500
    From: Michael Edwards <medwards_47@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Where is the NEW OTR?

    In reviving the thread on why radio entertainment
    isn't thriving in the [removed], Owens Pomeroy said: "In
    response to Eric's posting about the 10% of these
    related countries listening to "OTR", all I can say is
    that it is 10% more than are listening here.  And he
    mentions Imagination Theatre as the only consistent
    radio series.  On how many stations - 5, 10, 15, 20?"

    According to their website, Imagination Theatre is on
    150 radio stations.

    <snip> "Just think if every State in this great
    Country of ours would air any of these programs on at
    least one station, what a great rensissance we
    would have for OTR.  True, NPR is airing Prarrie Home
    Companion on a syndicated basis, but this too is
    limited to a few States that carry NPR."

    According to A Prarie Home Companion's website, that
    show is on 511 radio stations and attracts an audience
    of 3 million listeners per week--not too shabby.  BTW,
    most National Public Radio stations that do carry PCH
    do so live Saturdays at 6 pm--not quite as rigid as
    being able to hear The Mystery Project every Saturday
    at 6:30 on every CBC station, but pretty good.  Even
    my local NPR, where their idea of variety is Morning
    Edition, classical music, All Things Considered, and
    classical music, carries PHC.

    I think cases like PHC (which I'm sure more than meets
    your critera of one station per state), and CBC's
    Mystery Theater prove that the notion "If you schedule
    it, they will come" is false.  It's not a national
    travesty, either.  If NTR is destined for a small
    audience, well, they're in the same boat as many good
    things.  At 3 million, PHC does better than the
    average UPN show, or much-ballyhooed cable
    programming.

    Season's greetings!

    Michael Edwards

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:46:44 -0500
    From: James Herman <californiajamesh@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: I Love A Mystery

    I'm sure others will mention this but ILAM
    originated in Hollywood.

>     The New York Cast 1939 - 1944 (CBS)

>     Jack:  Michael Rafetto
>     Reggie:  ?        ?
>     Doc:  Barton Yarlborough

>     The California Cast: 1949 - 1953 (Mutual)

>     jack:  Russell Thorson
>     Reggie:  Tony Randall
>     Doc:  Jim Boles

    It should be the following:

    HOLLYWOOD 1939 - 1944 (NBC and later CBS)

    Jack:  Michael Rafetto(until 5-15-44), Jay Novello
    (until 8-21-44), and then John McIntire until the end of the
    Hollywood run on December 29,1944.

    Reggie: Walter Paterson
    Doc:  Barton Yarborough

    NEW YORK 1949 - 1952 (Mutual)

    Jack:  Russell Thorson (until 10-52) then Robert
    Dryden until the end of the New York run on
    December 26,1952.

    Reggie:  Tony Randall
    Doc:  Jim Boles

    Mutual sustained show, which redid the original
    scripts but in a different order and changed
    some of the titles names.

    A complete history of the show can be found on my
    website.
    [removed]

>     Does anyonae
>     on the Digest know of
>     any other show that had a new cast when it moved

    Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar
    moved from Hollywood to NY and Bob Bailey
    was replaced by Robert Readick in 1960, and he was
    replaced later by Mandel Kramer.

    James

    = ====
    Meet Jack, Doc, and Reggie of I Love A Mystery at
    [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:47:34 -0500
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Sandra Gould

    Jim Widner asks:

>     Been listening to a bunch of Sam Spades recently and several that I heard
>     starred Sandra Gould as Bernadine, who replaced the vacationing Lurene
>     Tuttle in 1948.  I know the name and some of the radio shows she appeared
>     in but I believe she was prominent on television too. I have a vague visual
>     image in my brain of her but am wondering if someone could refresh my
>     memory of just where I might have seen her on television - somehow a series
>     of commercials as a spokesperson/actor come to mind.

    Jim, you are probably thinking of her only major role in television, on
    "Bewitched". Gould took over the role of nosy neighbor, Gladys Kravitz,
    in 1966 after the death of Alice Pearce in March of that year. Gould
    then played the part until 1972 when the show went off the air in July,
    having logged eight straight years in prime time.

    The long term exposure on the TV show garnered Gould several TV
    commercials, but I think many of them were regional and I don't remember
    which national ones she did.

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:48:10 -0500
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: December 7th Gildersleeve

    Michael Simon asked:

>     Does anyone know where I can get a clear copy of the December 7, 1941 show
>     (Octavia visits) with the bulletins interrupting the program?

    I don't believe there is any other copy of that episode extant. As I
    recall, it was considered a missing show until those memovox discs showed
    up. I know that Hickerson's guide indicated it was missing until it was
    reported.

    Not sure, however, if someone has tried to do some clean-up on the episode,
    though the initial copy is not a good one to do much with. Recently, Chuck
    Schaden's radio show, which is running a series on World War II radio used
    the episode and it was from that memovox recording.

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:48:47 -0500
    From: jao@[removed] (Joseph Onorato)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Bing Crosby KMH radio show

    for Dec 25, 1941.   can anyone help me find a copy of this program?
    It's the first time Bing introducted and sang "white christmas", months
    before filming Holiday Inn and  before his first Decca recording.

    Historic to say the least.
    I have pieces of this show taken from
    an badly  damaged acetate [removed]

    a decent copy is much desired by this 71 yr. old Crosby fan.

    thank you.

    jao@[removed].

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:48:54 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Today In Radio History

      From Those Were The Days --

    1920 - WEAF, in New York City, aired the first broadcast of a prize
    fight from ringside. The fight was broadcast from Madison Square Garden
    where Joe Lynch defeated Peter Herman to retain the bantamweight title.
    Bantamweights top the scales at 118 pounds. Just think, either of those
    boxers could have been mistaken for the microphone stand.

    1922 - WEAF once again proved to be the pillar of radio promotion. This
    time they broadcast radio’s first double wedding ceremony. 4,000
    spectators watched as the two couples exchanged vows at Grand Central
    Palace. The broadcast was made in conjunction with the American Radio
    Exposition. The couples each got $100; a hefty sum in 1922.

      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 16:02:43 -0500
    From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: RE: WHY CA, UK, AUS, ETC.

    From: Owens Pomeroy <opomeroy@[removed];

>     Just think if every State in this great Country of ours would air
>     any of these programs on at least one station, what a great
>     rensissance we would have for OTR.  True, NPR is airing Prarrie
>     Home Companion on a syndicated basis, but this too is limited
>     to a few States that carry NPR.

    NPR does not carry Prairie Home Companion, although it did MANY years
    ago.  It is aired on Public Radio International (PRI) which used to be
    American Public Radio (APR).  Saying this program is on NPR is like
    claiming an ABC program in on NBC.  They are distinctly different
    networks.  However, a large percentage of PRI stations also are
    affiliated with NPR.  But Owens' seems to feel that in either case,
    Prairie Home Companion is carried on only a few stations in a few
    states.  Their website lists stations carrying the program in 48 of the
    50 states and I counted approx. 512 stations on that list.  Plus
    Washington DC and Guam with one each.  The International listing shows
    stations in Toronto, Dublin, Berlin, Geneva, Helsinki, and Stockholm;
    over 20 cable systems in about 10 countries from Ireland to the Czech
    Republic; AFN, the Far East Network in Japan and Korea, and the World
    Radio Net on the internet.   This is not a list that you can in any way
    consider "limited to a few States that carry NPR."  This PRI list of
    stations that do carry the program--in many cases with repeats--is not
    insignificant.  Rhode Island and Delaware seem to be the only state
    without a station carrying the program, and they are quite within the
    range of neighboring states carrying the program.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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