Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #46
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 2/5/2002 11:35 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 46
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: MP3 Players and Directories       [ Lou Genco <lgenco@[removed]; ]
  Re: Log for the PBS Rebroadcasts of   [ Lou Genco <lgenco@[removed]; ]
  Re: Recorded and Transcribed          [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Parley Baer tribute                   [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
  More On "Transcribed"                 [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
  Bob Cook and the CBSRMT Website       [ "Harry Machin, Jr." <harbev5@earthl ]
  Hi! I'm back                          [ Christopher Lowell White <cncwhite@ ]
  Petrillo A Cappella                   [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
  Beverly May                           [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
  Diane Richards                        [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
  1945 Book                             [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Re: A "Dolt" by any other name        [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Favorite Story/Academy Awards         [ Trinapreston3@[removed] ]
  The Greatest Story Ever Told          [ "J Laughead" <jdlaughead@[removed] ]
  DJ Promo Copies of records            [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  glass based discs                     [ "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed]; ]
  CORONATION OF KING GEORGE, VI BROADC  [ grayghost@[removed] ]

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:44:55 -0500
From: Lou Genco <lgenco@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: MP3 Players and Directories

In an earlier issue, "bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed]; asked:

I think what I'm asking is can a player read a disk with directories
of shows on it?

For a quick summary of the capabilities of many CD-based MP3 players,
with respect to their ability to play OTR, see

	[removed]

For a list of frequently-asked questions (and answers) on OTR, see

	[removed]

--
Lou
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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 15:44:49 -0500
From: Lou Genco <lgenco@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Log for the PBS Rebroadcasts of CBSRMT

On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:00:49 -0500, "Ron Vanover" <vanoverr@[removed];
wrote:

I'm attempting to date a rebroadcast of the The Old Lady Killer.

An excellent set of logs of various OTR shows, including Dick Judge's
log of all CBSRMT shows is at:

[removed]

(Old Lady Killer is indeed listed there)

--
Lou

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:45:21 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Recorded and Transcribed

On 2/5/02 2:05 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

The expression I wonder about is, "recorded and transcribed".  The
phrase occurs often and might mean, in keeping with practice in the
early days of magnetic recording, that the show was initially recorded
on tape and then dubbed to ET for airplay.  Can anybody clarify that for
us?

This phrase goes back further than the common use of magnetic tape --
I've heard it in local-radio airchecks dating back to the late 1930s. I
suspect it was being used in these cases to make clear the distinction
between recorded material coming from a transcription library service and
material coming from ordinary commercial phonograph records.

To illustrate this, I have a number of airchecks of small Brooklyn
stations from 1936-37 in which the distinction between "recordings" and
"transcriptions" is scrupulously observed. Several programs in this group
are made up of a monotone-voiced announcer playing one phono record after
another (including one program containing nothing but "Hit of the Week"
cardboard records from 1930-31!) and announcing each one with "Joe Blow
and His Orchestra record for us [removed]" followed by the title.
Occasionally, the announcement will vary -- "...from a Victor record,"
for example, if such was the case. There was no reference to transcribed
or transcription when phono records were being used. But when material
from a transcription service is used, a different protocol is observed --
a series of selections by the Sons of the Pioneers, taken from the
Standard Program Library, is clearly announced as "transcribed," and the
term "record" or "recorded" is never used.

This distinction can also be observed at various points in the well-known
WJSV recordings from 9/21/39. When Arthur Godfrey plays commercial
phonograph records on the "Sun Dial," the program is punctuated by
announcements that the "music is recorded." But later in the day, when
Hugh Conover or Joe King announce music programs, the material is
announced as "transcribed." These programs use material from the World
Broadcasting System library service -- and the continuity the announcers
read appears also to come from boilerplate scripts supplied by World as
part of the library package.

"Transcription" and "record" did not mean the same thing for broadcasters
in the 1930s -- a transcription was a recording made exclusively for
broadcast use, and was not contracturally licensed for sale or
distribution to the general public. A record was a recording that anyone
could buy in a store. Thrashing out these definitions took up a lot of
time for broadcasters and regulators in the late 1920s and early 1930s,
so it's little wonder the distinctions were maintained on the air.

Elizabeth

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:19:35 -0500
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Parley Baer tribute

We can't get TV here in rural Virginia, at least not until we can get a
satellite dish.  If someone is going to record the TV Land Parley tribute,
I'd appreciate learning of what it consists, and perhaps get some VHS
copies of part at least?  Please contact me off-list if this is
possible.  Many thanks.  Lee Munsick

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:19:43 -0500
From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: More On "Transcribed"

Interestingly, disclaimers and legal announcements were carried over from
radio to television in the 1940's.
Here is the actual text of the sign-off of a late forties broadcast day on
WBZ-TV [removed]
This is WBZ-TV, Boston, Channel 4 .
WBZ TV is owned and operated by Westinghouse Broadcasting Company, with
studios and transmitting facilities located on Soldeirs Field Road in Boston,
and is operated on channel 4 by authority of the Federal Communications
Commission. Portions of our programming were transcribed and /or mechanically
reproduced.  Programs broadcast by this station may not be used for any
purpose except exhibition at the time of their broadcast,  on receivers of
the type ordinarily used for home reception in places where no minimum,
cover,  or mechanical operating charges are made. This is________speaking for
the staff and management  of WBZ-TV bidding a very pleasant  good-night,  and
good morning. (National Anthem plays)
Tom Heathwood - Heritage Radio - Boston     [removed]

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:16:33 -0500
From: "Harry Machin, Jr." <harbev5@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Bob Cook and the CBSRMT Website

Ron Vanover says that Bob Cook's website is less than helpful with info
concerning the CBSRMT.  When I typed in the website address, I got
a big yellow FORBIDDEN sign, telling me I didn't have the right to
access the website.  Can anyone explain just how one can get the
required permission?

Harry Machin, Jr.
harbev5@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:53:41 -0500
From: Christopher Lowell White <cncwhite@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Hi! I'm back

Hi,

Remember me! I'm Bryant the 12 year old OTR fan. Well, I'm 13 now(I turned
13 on November 16) and I still like OTR. I just subscribed to the OTR
digest again. I had unsubscribed because I didn't have time to read it all.
I am emailing to ask if anyone would want to rebroadcast Yesterday USA in
the New England area. We have no stations here in Rhode Island that
broadcast OTR and we would really appreciate one.

                  Thanks,
                 cncwhite@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:07:06 -0500
From: Grbmd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Petrillo A Cappella

>From Herb Hobler's book "And Now the News, 1945," there is this entry for
February 6, 1945:

"James C. Petrillo, President of the American Federation of Musicians, has
put the Interlochen Music Camp on the unfair list."

When I read this my mind went back to when I was a kid and Petrillo called a
musicians' strike.  The result of the strike was that recordings, at least
many of them, were made without orchestras to back up the singers.

My main recollection is that I bought a 78-rpm record of Dick Haymes singing
"In My Arms" backed up by only a vocal group without any orchestra.  I think
the backup group was the Song Spinners, which supplied the rhythm and other
sounds the orchestra normally would make.  It wasn't a bad substitute.

Spence

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:37:26 -0500
From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Beverly May

Folks;

   Received this request on the website; please copy the sender if you would
(she's been invited to join us).

From: joanne hall <frhall@[removed];

any info on radio singer Beverly May, on radio station wjsv Washington [removed]

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:41:29 -0500
From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Diane Richards

Folks;

   Received this request on the website; please copy the sender if you would
(she's been invited to join us).

From: Dana Moser <exussailor@[removed];

Looking for any info on a singer/actress named "Diane Richards" form the 50s
and 60s performed with Stan Kenton, Gene Autry,on the Dinah Shore show,[removed]
I would apreciate any help. She is my Mother

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 20:09:13 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: 1945 Book

Quoting from spence's recent posting;

Joe Mackey has been doing such a good job of excerpting "Those Were the Days"
that I thought I would chip in with another excerpt.

Since I ordered and received my copy of Herbert Hobler's book "And Now the
News, 1945" I've been going through it day by day, reading a page a day so
that I might relive each day of that year in the context of the time of year,
weather, etc.

Spence then excerpted a bit about the discussion of FM broadcasting back
then.

There are many other references to OTR programs and personalities throughout
the book. But the primary reason I recommended the book here in the Digest
is that it affords the "younger" OTR fan a much clearer picture of what life
was like (in general) back when Radio was such a powerful force in our
lives. And of course, as Spence also commented,

I was age 14-turning-15 that year, so some of Herb's excerptsI remember and
others I'm just now coming to appreciate.

I guess Spence and I are the same age. I agree completely with him. Even us
"old" duffers can read these pages with a heightened sense of wisdom. I was
too busy being a happy-go-lucky teenager, (and playing "Jughead" on Archie
Andrews") so I was not totally tuned in to the incredibly historical and
highly significant events of that year.

If the book didn't mention OTR programming and personalities to the extent
that it does, I never would have promoted the sale of it to the OTR crowd,
despite my friendship with the Author.

If interested, you can find out more by going to [removed]

Hal(Harlan)Stone
"Jughead"

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:40:15 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: A "Dolt" by any other name

Harry Bartell, a much respected OTR Icon, made the following comment
regarding the cancellation of short lived programs.

Usually, when a show departed after a short run, the answer was simple:
numbers. It didn't draw the ratings. In this case, although I wasn't aware of
it at the time, I think there was some general dissatisfaction with
Greenstreet's Wolfe. That may account for the turnover in Archies; trying to
find a better chemical mix to soup up the show. This is all speculation on my
part.

Of one thing I can be sure: the actors did not depart of their own volition.
They were simply not invited to make the rehearsal next week. For the most
part. freelance actors viewed the bulk of the producer-directors as The
Enemy;
unknowing dolts who didn't have the ability to recognize the amazing talents
of the actor. This attitude was subject to change if the actor wound up as a
regular on a series.

Maybe Hal Stone, who converted, could enlarge on this condition.

Harry, I hope you don't consider my "conversion" as being a traitor to the
cause. As far as Producer/Director's being viewed as the "Enemy", I get the
feeling that was particularly true on the West Coast. Speaking for myself, I
don't recall meeting a [removed] Director I didn't like, and I worked with
many.

Now, realizing that your comments were made with Tongue" firmly in Cheek, I
can say this in all sincerity. In most instances, I don't think
Cancellations or "Dismissal's" were instigated by the Directors as much as
the Network Number Cruncher's, (as Harry pointed out). [removed] Semi-Creative
Network Marketing executives, and more often that not, The Agency Producers.
And in some cases, individuals with "star" power, who had some say as to who
they liked working with, or visa versa.  Directors themselves were not all
that autonomous. I say that in defense of all members of the DGA.

And as for [removed] can't find bigger ones than those that inhabit the
Huckster Halls of Madison Avenue. Only my pet term for them is "idiots". I
consider idiocy far more dangerous than "Doltism". That's one of the reasons
I eagerly and happily retired from a successful 25 year career directing TV
commercials. I ESCAPED FROM THE ASYLUM! :)

Regards Harry

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:42:20 -0500
From: Trinapreston3@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Favorite Story/Academy Awards

Gene Mayo asked if anyone knew where you can buy Favorite Story Show.  You can
buy them from the following places.

Crabapple Sound
[removed]

Radio Showcase
[removed]

Vintage Audio
thomasmartin245@[removed]  (Request a catalog)

Jerry's Vintage Radio logs
[removed]

All the above sell Favorite Story I usually buy my collection from Radio
Showcase, but I have bought from some of the ones I listed before.  Someone
last week asked about The Academy Awards Presentation.  I know Vintage Audio
sells some of the Oscar shows from 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, and
1963.
Vintage Audio E-mail address is:  Thomasmartin245@[removed]

Gene I love Favorite Story also, I'm sorry to know that some of it's shows
are lost.  I really enjoy listening to them, by listening to some of the
Favorite
Story programs I never read, made me seek out some of the books from the Free

Library to read. I am glad to know someone is really interested in that show.
Have you ever heard The Author's Playhouse?  You'll probably like that
program to.

Trina,

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:42:25 -0500
From: "J Laughead" <jdlaughead@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Greatest Story Ever Told

I was wondering if there are many shows left of The Greatest Story Ever
Told, and does Goodyear, still have them in their Archives?  That was a
Great show, had NO commercials, only said in beginning, it was presented by
Goodyear.

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Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:01:22 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: DJ Promo Copies of records

From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
As best I can tell, the "promotional copy" imprint is used so that
the record company doesn't have to pay royalties on these copies.

That is quite true, but it extends much further than that.  Many
performers have contracts that that require the performers to pay for
the promotion of their records--so not only are they not getting
royalties from promotional copies, they are PAYING for these copies!!

Radio stations give away promo copies to listeners all the time,
and these days they're often cassettes (which I doubt many
stations would play on the air), so I have to believe that the
record companies are providing the copies with the full knowledge
that this is taking place.

There are several different categories of promotional copies.  Some are
publicly distributed, either given away in record stores or sold as
"loss leaders" for a small sum.  The most famous of the latter were the
Warner Bros. LPs from the late 60s and early 70s that were sold by mail
for a buck a disc with wonderfully designed covers, produced by one
Barrett E. Hanson.  Barry is now, of course, know as Dr. Demento.

The category we were mainly talking about, and you also mentioned
concerning the huge white stickers on the front of Columbia LPs of the
60s, are the ones given to broadcast personnel supposedly for
broadcasting purposes only.  If the records are played on the air, that
is ONE form of promotion.  But, if the radio stations gives copies away
in a contest, that ALSO is promotion.  (Sometimes a record company will
give a station 25 copies so that they WILL use them as contest prizes.)
If a promo man gave records to a secretary or an engineer to sorta
smooth out the way into seeing the DJs, that ALSO is promotion.  But you
have got to admit that more people will be exposed to a promo copy
played on the air than when it is given away to one specific person.

Yes, the record companies know that copies that are meant for the wide
exposure that a broadcast means are sometimes diverted to contests,
secretaries, engineers, and used record stores.  Some of the companies
don't like that.  For many years they used stickers and labels saying
"Promotional Copy", "DJ Copy", "Radio Station Copy", or "FREE" usually
with an additional statement "Not For Sale."  However, in the past ten
years many companies have been using elaborate statements like this,
gold stamped on the CD booklet cover in a way that would be impossible
to remove without destroying the looks of the booklet:
      "LOANED FOR PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY.
     SALE OR OTHER TRANSFER IS PROHIBITED.
  OWNERSHIP IS RETAINED BY THE RECORDING COMPANY.
  MUST BE RETURNED ON DEMAND OF COPYRIGHT OWNER."
Scarey, isn't it?  I know of only one instance when a record company
demanded the return of all of their promo copies, but a letter from the
dealer's lawyer silenced the demand.  The record industry has to face
the fact that they have willingly given or sold to the public special
copies that were also marked "Promotional, Not For Sale", and are still
doing it.  I picked up a few just last week at the check-out counter of
a record store.  Arista is heavily promoting Lennon this way, even with
videocassetts.  So this fact makes it impossible for the record
companies to restrict the SECONDARY market for promo copies, and they
know it.

What always used to bug me when I ran stations was when we would call a
promo man and ask for a record that we needed, but were told that all
the promo copies were gone--and then we went to Stereo Record King on
13th St. in Philadelphia and found out where all the promo copies of
that record that were supposed to go to stations went!  One promo man in
Phila was well known for giving scads of records away to girls, and the
radio stations that he didn't consider important had to make sure to hit
up the guy before the weekend if they knew an important new release had
come out!

And in all this we mustn't forget the Payola Scandal of the late 50s
when it was discovered that some record companies gave more to the DJs
than just records.  The statute of limitations has expired--anybody have
any good personal payola stories?

Michael (I'm innocent, I tell ya) Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:26:38 -0500
From: "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: glass based discs

hi
this is a fishing expedition, anyone on this list interested in
the mormon tabernacle choir from 1943/44, these are on glass
based discs, i am really looking for some people in the los angels
area, 24 consec  episodes, the reasons are, is there an interest
before putting them up for sale, and shipping considerations
if so email me.
edcarr@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:26:45 -0500
From: grayghost@[removed]
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: CORONATION OF KING GEORGE, VI BROADCAST

With all the pomp and circumstance over Queen Elizabeth's 50 year anniversary
of her Reign, and the recent birthday of the Queen Mum, I was wondering if
there are any tapes available of the Coronation of King George, VI.  There
doesn't seem to be anything available over here, and I was wondering if
perhaps two of your  Major Networks, CBS, & NBC, may have Broadcast it in its
entirety at that time, and may, perhaps, might be in circulation, recordings
of this event. I have the Coronation of the Present Queen, but would like to
have the one of her Father.  Any info you could provide would be of help
(Elizabeth, Michael?)

Gray Ghost

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