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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2007 : Issue 197
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  RE: Johnny Mack Brown                 [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
  Archiving on CD                       [ Graeme Stevenson <graemeotr@[removed] ]
  OTR on MP3 DVD's                      [ "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed] ]
  Re: Sports recreations                [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Ball Game Recreations                 [ "Arthur Funk" <Art-Funk@[removed]; ]
  Re: Long John Nebel On WOR            [ udmacon@[removed] ]
  Ball game Recreations                 [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
  Basketball Re-creation?               [ papillion17@[removed] ]
  7-6 births/deaths                     [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  Long John Nebel                       [ "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@sbcglob ]
  Private Eyelashes                     [ Nita Hunter <otradiogrl@[removed]; ]
  Oldtimer OTR Collectors               [ "Sammy Jones" <sjones69@[removed] ]
  Re: "The Fugitive"                    [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
  Harvey Toons, Jackson Beck            [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 11:39:47 -0400
From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  RE: Johnny Mack Brown

I can't say much about Johnny Mack Brown on the radio, other than that I
never heard him there. There is, however, another medium that brings dramatic
material into our living rooms and Brown appeared there at least once. The
Perry Mason show was a haven for actors who had passed their prime, and who
had little opportunity for employment during the fifties. Brown, all decked
out in a modern business suit, played the part of a sort of villainous
character who was not the murderer of the week. He also appeared in a few
western movies as a character actor, usually as one of the townspeople or as
a corrupt Marshall.

Thanx,
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* Kiss a malamute today *

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:58:30 -0400
From: Graeme Stevenson <graemeotr@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Archiving on CD
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In todays edition of The Daily Telegraph ( London ) they carried an article
about the future of archiving on digital media. Best way to see the article
is to go to [removed]  and in the search box type in ' How to stave
off a digital dark age ' .
  Also worth a mention is todays edition of the Radio Nethrelands Media
Network Newsletter which makes note of the fact that the old Voice of America
transmitter at Ismaning, Munich, will be closing down. It went on air in
December 1946 and carried VOA programmes to the Iron Curtain during the Cold
War era.

  Graeme Stevenson  Editor: Tune into Yesterday newsletter  ORCA UK

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 13:59:01 -0400
From: "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR on MP3 DVD's
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   MP3 DVD's do save space but even with 17,000 MP3 shows on CD's I still
   have space left in my only CD folder. To me it is easier to listen to
   shows on CD's rather than DVD's. Seems like I couldn't get the DVD's
   to play on certain players but it may be easier to do now since that
   was about five years ago.

   Andrew Godfrey

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:01:29 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Sports recreations

On 7/5/07 11:43 AM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

I've come across discs of a October, 1947 Professional Basketball League
game (Louisville Colonels versus Springfield Squires!).  There's no
crowd noise, no buzzer, no ref's whistle.  However, there *is* clearly
a teletype two or three feet from where the announcer's sitting.
Me strongly suspects the announcer isn't really at the game.

Well, don't forget that most press boxes were equipped with Western Union 
tickers, which provided scores for out of town games, so the sound itself 
isn't necessarily an indicator of a recreation -- tickers can be clearly 
heard clattering away in the background on many surviving live sportscast 
recordings well into the 1970s.

I've never researched it or thought about it much, but I personally
would have guessed 1947 was kinda late to pulling the old "recreation"
setup, or for listeners to fall for it.  Yes?  No?  Anybody have
info on how widespread this practice was, and how late?

It depends on the station and the market. The first station I worked at, 
a 250-watt AM outlet in a small town, routinely did recreations of high 
school sports well into the 1980s -- it was cheaper than a phone line, in 
those pre-cellular, can't-afford-a-Marti days. Minor league baseball 
teams were still using recreations for road games into the 1960s, and the 
last major league team didn't abandon the practice until 1955. Basketball 
was a considerably less prestigious sport than baseball in 1947, so it's 
not at all unusual for recreations to be used.

Elizabeth

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:01:45 -0400
From: "Arthur Funk" <Art-Funk@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Ball Game Recreations

Chris Chandler opined in Digest #196 that perhaps 1947 was late for these
recreations.  I clearly remember listening to games on the Liberty
Broadcasting System when I was 10 or 11 (1951-52).  At the time I didn't
know it but when I took up OTR as a hobby I learned that these LBS game
broadcasts were recreations.  Check this out:
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Regards to all,
Art Funk

Art's Militaria
(813) 840-9606
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:02:12 -0400
From: udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Long John Nebel On WOR
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I believe that between Long John Nebel and Larry King on WOR there was a
Baltimore call-in show caled "NightCaps" with Herb Jepko.

It allowed no political or religious discussions--or anything
controversial--so it was an eternat night of people calling in and reporting
what their weather was.

BILL KNOWLTON, "Bluegrass Ramble," WCNY-FM [removed] Syracuse, [removed] Utica, [removed]
Watertown NY Sundays 9 pm-midnight EST (since 1973) [removed]

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:28:31 -0400
From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Ball game Recreations

I hated ticker tape baseball games. The announces did the best they
could to make you think he was really at the game.

In the 30' and 40's the baseball  broadcasters  didn't travel  with the
home town team. In Chicago we have always had  the Cubs (Noth side) and
the White Sox (South Side) and never the twain shall meet, but for many
years one radio station broadcast for both team. This was possible
because they were in town on the same days.

If the Cubs were in town and rained out they would broadcast the White
Sox , say from New York, by ticker tape. If you were at the game and
heard the announcer describing the game you would think it was two
different games  because the broadcaster had to embelish the action. If
the hitter struck out it may be described a health swing when he was
called out with out a [removed] It's home run over the left field wall in
reality it was over the right wall. Didn't make any difference.  hone
run is a home run.

If the Chicago teams didn't have a game the radio station would pick up
another like the Dodger and St. Louis Cardinal and broad cast that game
from ticker tape.

Telegraph is how the local radio station got the scored of all he games.

In later 40'S,   I think. one station broadcast the White Sox (WCFL) and
WIND  had the Cuds each with their own announcers The Station were not
Network because that would interfere with the soaps.
I'm not sure when the radio stations started sending the broadcasters on
the road wit th team but that's the way it is today for both radio and TV

When TV came alone on TV station again telecast both teams (WGN).

THIS FROM MEMORY AND MAY ACCURATE, I THINK IT"S CLOSE
Frank McGurn

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 18:49:58 -0400
From: papillion17@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Basketball Re-creation?

Chris, it's interesting that you bring this subject up. I just happened
across an article written by Elizabeth McLeod in May of [removed] I hope she
doesn't mind me pasting the link here. I found it on [removed] in reading
this I would think it could apply to most any sport.
[removed]  It is the last article on the page.

I recall reading somewhere that Ronald Reagan used to do baseball
re-creations as part of his duties at a small radio station (in Iowa?)  My
memory ain't what it used to [removed]

Doug

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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 22:20:28 -0400
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  7-6 births/deaths

July 6th births

07-06-1875 - Roger Babson - d. 3-5-1967
economist: "Babson Reports"
07-06-1882 - Ralph Morgan - NYC - d. 6-11-1956
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
07-06-1892 - Jack Yellen - Razcki, Poland - d. 4-17-1991
lyricist: "Lux Radio Theatre"
07-06-1894 - Myra Marsh - Maine - d. 10-29-1964
actor: Dora Foster "A Date with Judy"; Mother "My Friend Irma"
07-06-1894 - Shelly Lee Alley - Alleyton, Texas - d. 6-1-1964
songwriter, musician, vocalist: WFAA Dallas, Texas
07-06-1895 - Grete Stueckgold - d. 9-13-1977
soloist: "The Chesterfield Show"; "Chesterfield Presents"
07-06-1898 - Hans Eisler - Germany - d. 2-6-1962
orchestra leader: "The Littlest Angel"; "Mr. Pickwick's Christmas"
07-06-1904 - Marie Baumer - d. 7-31-1977
writer: "Mr. Chameleon"
07-06-1905 - Pauline Drake - Denver, CO - d. 2-5-1981
actor: Bessie "Great Gildersleeve"; "Miss Duffy "Duffy's Tavern"
07-06-1910 - Alexander Kendrick - d. 5-17-1991
correspondent: "Years In Crisis"; "As Europe Sees the Marshall Plan"
07-06-1910 - Dorothy Kirsten - Montclair, NJ - d. 11-18-1992
singer: "Keepsakes"; "Kraft Music Hall"; "Light Up Time"
07-06-1911 - Betty Worth - NYC - d. 7-xx-1993
actor: Florence Weston "The Man I Married"; Andrea Reynolds "We Love
and Learn"
07-06-1915 - Laverne Andrews - Minneapolis, MN - d. 5-8-1967
singer: (The Andrews Sisters) "Andrews Sisters Revue:
07-06-1918 - Gaylord Avery - d. 3-11-1996
announcer: "Gangbusters"; "My Son Jeep"
07-06-1918 - Sebastian Cabot - London, England - d. 8-23-1977
actor: Toussiant Charbonneau "Horizons West"; "Studio One"; "Lives of
Harry Lime"
07-06-1922 - William Schallert - Los Angeles, CA
actor: "Sears Radio Theatre"
07-06-1923 - Marie McDonald - Westchester, NY - d. 10-21-1965
actor: "Duffy's Tavern"; "Maxwell House Coffee Time"; "Proudly We Hail"
07-06-1924 - Billy Mauch - Peoria, IL
actor: "Coast-to-Coast on a Bus"; "Let's Pretend"; "Robinson Crusoe,
Jr."
07-06-1924 - Bobby Mauch - Peoria, IL
actor: "Coast-to-Coast on a Bus"; "Let's Pretend"; "Robinson Crusoe,
Jr."
07-06-1925 - Bill Haley, Jr. - Highland Park, MI - d. 2-9-1981
rocker: "Camel Rock and Roll Party"; "Stars for Defense"
07-06-1925 - Merv Griffin - San Mateo, CA
singer: "San Francisco Sketchbook/Merv Griffin Show"
07-06-1927 - Alan "Fluff" Freeman - Melbourne, Australia - d. 11-27-2006
announcer, singer: "Records Around Five"; "Pick of the Pops"
07-06-1927 - Janet Leigh - Merced, CA - d. 10-3-2004
actor: "Cresta Blanca Hollywood Players" - Radio Debut
07-06-1931 - Della Reese - Detroit, MI
singer-actor: "Manhattan Melodies"; "Camel Rock and Roll Party"
07-06-1946 - George Walker Bush - New Haven, CT
[removed] president: Saturday morning presidential broadcast

July 6th deaths

03-17-1910 - Pat McVey - Fort Wayne, IN - d. 7-6-1973
actor: "Cavalcade of America"
04-02-1908 - Buddy Ebsen - Belleville, IL - d. 7-6-2003
actor: "Hollywood Hotel"
04-22-1887 - James Norman Hall - Colfax, IA - d. 7-6-1951
writer: "Words at War"
05-04-1916 - Jean Carroll - Toledo, OH - d. 7-6-1990
comedienne: "The Sealtest Village Store"
05-14-1885 - Otto Klemperer - Breslau, Germany - d. 7-6-1973
conductor: "George Gershwin Memorial Program"
06-01-1870 - Frank Cooley - Natchez, MS - d. 7-6-1941
actor: Reverend McArthur/Fred Thompson "One Man's Family"
06-20-1911 - Gail Patrick - Birmingham, AL - d. 7-6-1980
actor: "The Dreft Star Playhouse"
07-15-1889 - Marjorie Rambeau - San Francisco, CA - d. 7-6-1970
actor: "Advs. of Ellery Queen"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
07-28-1892 - Joe E. Brown - Holgate, OH - d. 7-6-1973
comedian, quizmaster: "Ceiling Unlimited"; "Joe E. Brown Show"; "Stop
or Go"
08-02-1916 - Johnny Coons - d. 7-6-1975
actor: Chuck Ramsey "Captain Midnight"; Clipper "Sky King"; "Vic and
Sade"
08-04-1901 - Louis Armstrong - New Orleans, LA - d. 7-6-1971
trumpeter: "Pursuit of Happiness"; "Sealtest Village Store"; "Story
of Swing"
09-25-1897 - William Faulkner - New Albany, MS - d. 7-6-1962
author: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "NBC University Theatre"; "Short Story"
10-14-1906 - Russell Thorson - Wisconsin - d. 7-6-1982
actor: Jack Packard "I Love A Mystery"; Paul Barbour "One Man's Family"
11-04-1918 - Cameron Mitchell - Dallastown, PA - d. 7-6-1994
actor: "Crime Does Not Pay"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
11-05-1911 - Roy Rogers - Cincinnati, OH - d. 7-6-1998
singer, actor: (King of the Cowboys) "Roy Rogers Show"; "Saturday
Nite Round-Up"
12-16-1918 - Paul Talbot - d. 7-6-2005
actor: "It Happened to Me"; "Let's Playwright"
xx-xx-1892 - Rev. Dr. Walter Van Kirk - Cleveland, OH - d. 7-6-1956
minister: "Religion in the News"
xx-xx-1926 - Carroll Abbott - d. 7-6-1984
sportscaster in Kerrville, Texas
xx-xx-xxxx - Arthur Elmer - New York - d. 7-6-1945
actor: "The Jackk Benny Show"; "The Fred Allen Show"

Ron Sayles
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:26:58 -0400
From: "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Long John Nebel

Hi!

In response to the detailed item about Long John Nebel, I was listening
recently to the syndicated WOR all-night talk/variety program, The Joey
Reynolds Show, which is very entertaining. A regular guest of Joey's, The
Amazing Kreskin talked about his days on the Nebel radio show.  Kreskin said
that many times, Nebel would start his guests discussing a topic, then walk
out of the studio for a bathroom break, and often, would not return to the
radio studio for 15 minutes or longer, and the listeners never knew that
Nebel had left the studio, while his guests continued the conversation!

Also, I believe that regarding the Mutual Broadcasting System's syndicated
all-night show,  Larry King replaced Herb Jepko's Nitecap Show out of Salt
Lake City, which for years was carried by KSL and other local affiliates in
the 1960s and '70s.

Jim Hilliker
Monterey, CA

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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:27:54 -0400
From: Nita Hunter <otradiogrl@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Private Eyelashes
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Hi Group:

Nita Hunter here of RG Productions, producers of  last Saturday's show
"Private Eyelashes."  I've been sharing the recent discussion on OTR Digest
about our show with the actors and crew and we all appreciate your comments
and reviews.

We are thrilled that Jack French chose Kenosha and our group to continue to
spread the good word about radio's lady detectives.  The crowd loved him.
And those of you who met him or know him already know this but, yes, he is a
very nice man!  He shared wit and insight and had some delightful
conversations with the cast and audience.

We're relatively new at this and although several of us have been doing Old
Time Radio recreations in Kenosha for a while, we have only been together as
a group (RG Productions) for two events.  First event was a celebration of
Orson Welles with an episode of "The Shadow: Silent Avenger," on May 5th.

All of our shows can be listened to on mp3 format by visiting our webpage:
[removed]
And, indeed, our next show is "DRACULA" on Halloween at Kemper Hall in
Kenosha.  Kemper Hall is the most haunted venue in this delightful city; an
imposing old former all-girls school on the shores of Lake Michigan!

Just doing what we love doing and trying to keep the tradition alive.  Thanks
for the encouragement!

Regards,
Nita Hunter
RG Productions

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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 00:27:51 -0400
From: "Sammy Jones" <sjones69@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Oldtimer OTR Collectors

I'm curious to know what collecting OTR was like when the hobby first
started in the '60s and '70s.  I know there at least a few people on the
list that have been serious collectors since that time, and I hope they will
share some thoughts and experiences.

How difficult was it to get shows?  Were catalogs of circulating shows very
limited?  Were there any publications/fanzines that were around in those
very early days of collecting?

As always, thanks for any and all [removed]

Sammy Jones

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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 08:06:53 -0400
From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: "The Fugitive"
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In a message dated 7/3/07 7:13:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:

Also, maybe "The Fugitive"?

I think the announcer on "The Fugitive" was the same as the narrator, William
Conrad, because he had a little spiel he read at the beginning of each show,
explaining why Kimble was on the run.  And he broke into that spiel right
after reading "The Fugitive, a Q-M Production" and David Jansen's name.

Dixon

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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 10:18:16 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Harvey Toons, Jackson Beck

Classic Media has recently released HARVEY TOONS: THE COMPLETE COLLECION.
Regrettably, the music score has been substituted for different music (same
as was done with WKRP: Season One) and it's really not the complete series
(I love "Chew Chew Baby" and they did not include it).

Fans of OTR might rejoice because certain cartoons that have been appearing
on dollar store public-domain DVDs will find these prints "restored."  The
company restored the original Jackson Beck vocal tracks to "Buzzy The Crow."
The prints sold on DVDs in dollar stores did not have Jackson Beck's vocals,
which makes the cartoon almost perfect watching.  Other OTR voices have been
restored, so I recommend the set, just to hear Paul Frees and others voicing
cartoons that were originally edited before.

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