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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 121


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Cylinders
	 Re: Ovaltine
	 Ovaltine
	 Ovaltine
	 a note on phonographs
	 Captain Midnight premiums
	 Corwin, Ovaltine

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:53:57 -0500
From: acosentini@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Cylinders
Message-ID: <15ffeac0@[removed]>

     This is a bit off the OTR subject but someone 
     brought it up. Anyway, the recording of 
     Coolidge and Lindbergh is probably the oldest 
     aircheck. This was an electrical recording so 
     that means it wasn't originally recorded onto 
     a cylinder. The oldest cylinders that I 
     worked on was dated 1887. These were made of 
     white wax. Believe it or not they sounded 
     pretty decent. Mr. Edisons voice came through 
     loud and clear. My favorite was Mr. Arthur 
     Sullivan who stated that he thought the 
     invention of the phonograph was wonderful but 
     he was concerned that to much bad music would 
     be preserved.
     
     Wax cylinders shouldn't be played on the old 
     cylinder phonographs. Even the later 
     cylinders shouldn't be played on those old 
     cylinder phonograph players. I've seen to 
     many cylinders destroyed by doing it the old 
     fashioned way.
     
     By the early 1920's cylinders were on there 
     way out. In their day cylinders sounded 
     better than the flat disk. However it was 
     much easier to mass produce disks. Even 
     Edison started to produce "The Edison Diamond 
     Disk". These disks were recorded with a 
     vertical groove as opposed to a lateral cut. 
     Once again Edison had the best sounding 
     product on the market.
     
     I've been remastering and restoring cylinders 
     for several years now. These recordings are a 
     real adventure. There are many variations in 
     groove size and shape not to mention speed. 
     Most of the material recorded onto these 
     cylinders was music. The styles varied from 
     classical to popular. I have come across 
     comedy routines that must of been popular 
     vaudeville routines. I have also come across 
     comedy routine that are anything but 
     "politically correct".
     
     Well I could go on, but this really isn't the 
     place. These recordings like OTR have given 
     me an interesting peek into another world.

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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 14:26:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Bill Salmi <SALMI@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Ovaltine
Message-id: <01I313WAHDFM8Y5HO6@[removed]>

Along with Ovaltine, I remember Cocomalt.  Ovaltine, like other 
individuals on the list, I drank for the premiums - never liked it.  
But, Cocomalt I loved.  In fact, I would put a teaspoon of it in my 
mouth and let it melt - boy, that was good.  And it never fully 
dissolved in the milk, but spooning it out of the bottom of the 
glass was yummy.

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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 14:52:44 -0500 (EST)
From: SAH@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Ovaltine
Message-id: <01I314QNAPXK8X235O@[removed]>

     For those of you that have never tasted the original Ovaltine
     take heart because it is still available from the Vermont Country
     Store (the little paper catalog).  Its continued to be available
     for the far east trade and comes with chinese as well as english
     on the label.  Two standard sized jars are about $[removed]  They
     dissolve very well in milk and are malty/choclaty and approved by
     "the Captain" himself.


Steve

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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 18:12:25 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ovaltine
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>I must be about the only OTR fan who likes Ovaltine.  Matter of 
>fact, I'll be ending my fast today with a big chocolately glass of 
>"Good fer yuh" itself.
>

OK, Chet, I guess it is time for all Ovaltine fans to come out of
hiding. While I was a post WWII baby, I loved Ovaltine and still
do, though I must confess that I haven't had it for some time. I
liked the malty flavor too.

When I was growing up, we always used Hershey's Chocolate syrup and
milk, it blended better.

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Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          
AOL: JimWidner                            

                                                 

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Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 11:20:00 +0500
From: cbholm@[removed] (chris holm)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: a note on phonographs
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

This is not strictly an OTR post, but I thought that I might throw it in for
the discussion on cylinders.  While home on springbreak, I went to the
Smithsonian American History Museum in DC where a man from a phonograph
historical society was demonstrating both the disk and cylinder type players
(manufactured in 1920 and 1921 respectively) and the thing which struck me
most was the sound superiority (sp?) of the cylinder.  He told me several
reasons why this was so.  First, on the disk, the needle rocks side to side
in the groove to vibrate the membrane while the cylinder needle rocked up
and down.  As the arm moves towards the middle of the disk, the angle
between the groove and play of the needle is no longer 90 degrees but
slanted, decreasing sound quality as the record neared the end.  Second,
because the record travels at a slower speed with regard to the needle on
the inside, the sound data is packed tighter than on the outside.  Niether
of these problems appears with the cylinders.

One other note, also there they had a showcase of props and stuff from
America radio and tv.  Included was an Amos and Andy toy taxi and Charlie
McCarthy.  It was somehow sad to see McCarthy in the case knowing Bergen
will never make him live [removed] at least we still have the tapes.

chris

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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:57:58 -0500 (EST)
From: "'A. Joseph Ross'" <lawyer@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Captain Midnight premiums
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

> Date: Wed, 27 Mar 1996 11:25:32 -0500
> From: FabFicBks@[removed]
> To: otr@[removed]
> Subject: Capt. Midnight TV premiums & etc.
> Message-ID: <960327112531_179262767@mail06>
> 

>      I have to agree that the stuff is pretty bad.  It was almost impossible
> to get that crap to disolve.  I think they have ground creek gravel in the
> bottle or something, you always wound up with gunk on the bottom and dry
> raspy specks floating along the top no matter what you did.

It helped when they started showing you on TV how to do it by adding a 
little hot water and stirring before adding milk.  But it STILL didn't 
dissolve really well.

There's a story that Richard Webb appeared in Boston Garden to a large 
audience of kids and asked "What's your favourite milk drink?"  And the 
audience answered, in unison, "Bosco!"

>      I never did get the shake-up mugs.  However I did get the secret decoder
> shaped like the jet plane he always flew around in, with the secret
> comparment when you pulled off the glow in the dark red nose.  I still have
> this, and even tho it is cheap plastic it's still pretty nice, especially for
> the fifties TV crap they were turning out.

I still have mine, too.  But that wasn't a secret compartment, it was an 
invisible ink pen.  The directions said to use milk as invisible ink.  I 
never got it to work.  Most people used lemon juice as invisible ink.

>      I got a chance to talk with Olan Soule, who played on the TV show in the
> fifties, and he told me the shows were shot fast and cheap, and that often
> the actors would make dispariaging comments about stupidities in the plots
> which were so transparent and conflicting they didn't think even a small
> child would accept them.

Funny, I did even as an older child.  I didn't have much of a critical 
eye in those days.

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A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                                      617/367-0468
15 Court Square                                   lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2573                    [removed]~lawyer/
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 03:00:36 -0500 (EST)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: airwavesOTR <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Corwin, Ovaltine
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

	Someone asked whether the new Corwin NPR series would be in stereo.
Since these are digitally restored copies copies of the original broadcasts,
I can't imagine them being in other than glorious monaural.  Unless maybe
the new introductions are stereo.
	Maybe if Dan is listening he will enlighten us.  What I want to know
is, how can you rebroadcast a half-hour show with new introductions without
editing some of the original?
	And if Chet-EL (lost son of Krypton?) hadn't leapt to the defense 
of Ovaltine, I certainly would have.  I loved skimming those undissolved 
crystals off the top for a burst of flavor.  And after chugging that 
cold sweet nectar, plain or peanut, the best part was the sludge at the 
bottom of the glass.  Of course, I'm sure it dissolved completely with 
a shake-up mug!  
   Ovaltine - the OTHER fine product of the Sandoz corporation!  ;-> 

		Max "True child of the 60s" Schmid

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