Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #111
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 4/7/2005 9:14 PM

To: [removed]@[removed]

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 111
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Once again, from TV TO Radio!         [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      Amos and Andy of 12-17-46             [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      Swanning and Miscellaneous            [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      Re: I Swan                            [ Brent Pellegrini <brentpl@rocketmai ]
      We've lost another long-time dealer.  [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      National Recording Registry           [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
      more soap                             [ "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed] ]
      re: no new tape                       [ Dan <teac35@[removed]; ]
      OTR Tributes                          [ Alan Chapman <[removed]@verizon. ]
      Re: Paul Henning                      [ Jordan Young <jyoung@[removed]; ]
      Jack Webb                             [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
      OTR-related monument -- Earle Graser  [ "Frederick S. Hillman" <fshillman@6 ]
      In Memory of Murray                   [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
      Cincinnati Convention                 [ "Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed] ]
      Ivan Snell                            [ JayHick@[removed] ]
      They are still out there              [ "Tom Bewley" <fords3137@[removed] ]
      no more tape                          [ Tom Greenli <tom_greenli@[removed]; ]
      OTR Article in Ironwood Daily Globe   [ seandd@[removed] ]
      Smothers Brothers in Spokane          [ seandd@[removed] ]
      4-8 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      useless information                   [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 00:59:27 -0400
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Once again, from TV TO Radio!

    From: OTRadiofan@[removed] (Stuart Lubin)

>     ... about TV performers of  the 60's and 70's who
>     are now doing "OTR-related pursuits"... The only one I  can think of
>     off-hand
>     is Harold Gould ... a regular at SPERDVAC conventions  ..."

    Dear Stuart & folks-

    Well, us Right-Coasters could add some FOTR vets: Paul Peterson, and Will
    Hutchins. I've been privileged to share the mic with them- though with Will
    it's
     a struggle to keep him from stealing it!

    Best,
    -Craig Wichman

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 00:59:46 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Amos and Andy of 12-17-46

    Hi Everybody,

    Frank Bresee is looking for a copy of the Amos and Andy show of 12-17-46
    with Al Jolson.  Frank glass discs of the show is worn out.  Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:27:43 -0400
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Swanning and Miscellaneous

    "Tim Lones" <tlones@[removed]; wrote:

>     My store carries Kirk's CoCo Hardwater Castile-similar to Lava Soap.

    It's difficult to imagine a Lava style Castile soap, as the latter is
    intended to be especially gentle whereas Lava's name suggests it was
    made with volcanic pumice to clean away the grime of rugged toil such
    as auto mechanics. The two-note rhythmic LAVA jingle always
    suggested, to me, more the punishment of the guilty than the washing
    of hands.

    "Don and Kathy Dean" <dxk@[removed];, replying to Chet Norris,
    remarked upon the expression, "I swan.":

>     I recall my mother using an expression, " I swan to goodness, if
>     that don't beat all".

    I believe that would be an example of a "minced oath," sort of like
    "Jiminy Cricket" being a form of "Jesus Christ." Except in this case
    the very mention of the act of swearing was suppressed, swearing
    being regarded by many as a sin, with no clear distinction drawn
    between swearing in the sense of using vulgarities and swearing in a
    courtroom. The expression goes back well before _Lum and Abner_,
    certainly to the early 20th century and, I believe, back to the Civil
    War or earlier.

    "Mark Wuellner" <mwuellne@[removed];

>     Does anyone know of any OTR-related statues/monuments/places?

    I don't know if Popeye counts; he did have his own radio show. There
    is a statue of Popeye in, I believe, Crystal City, Texas, erected by
    local spinach growers in grateful appreciation of Popeye's role in
    the popularization of that crop. But then, as mentioned earlier, on
    the radio show Popeye actually derived his strength from Wheatina,
    which product, coincidentally, sponsored the show.

    "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed]; reminisced:

>     The notes about castile soap reminded me of the soap my mother used for
>     laundry.  It was [removed] used a cheese grater to shred the
>     Fel-Naptha into the washer.  ...And that jogs my memory about "bath
>     night."  Dad turned on the water heater Saturdays and Mondays.
>     Saturday night was the time for our weekly bath.

    I picked up a bar of Fels-Naptha recently; it's made by Dial in
    Phoenix. Until I was in about the sixth grade our water heater was a
    tank on the back of the coal range in the kitchen (the same one that
    picked up audible radio broadcasts), through which our sometime hot
    water pipe ran, so we had hot water only when there was a fire in the
    range. Which meant we had more hot water in the Winter than in the
    Summer, since the range also served as a source of heat. It also
    meant that when we finally got an electric range hot water was much
    less plentiful, having to be heated on one of the eyes, a
    teakettle-full at a time. I seem to recall we had to heat up three
    kettles-full to provide enough warm water in the big laundry tub that
    served as our bathtub once a week. We didn't go dirty the rest of the
    week; we took one-kettle "sponge" baths from a porcelain basin in the
    kitchen sink.

    On misunderstanding radio: as I've related in the past, likely to no
    one's amusement but my own [anyone else who might have found it cute
    has long since passed on] as a toddler I thought that Fibber McGee
    was a Key and Molly was a hot tamale; I was not aware at my innocent
    age of the laws of the day that forbade such marriages. In addition,
    I seldom missed a broadcast of the Betty Crocker Show, as I was
    fascinated by the marvel of a talking saltine, even if she did only
    talk about cooking. I suppose I must have been a strange child. I
    also remember distinctly my disappointment - I still recall that I
    was sitting in a high chair - when my first bowl of Kellogg's Rice
    Crispies, the World's Only Talking Cereal, refused to acknowledge me
    with so much as a single word.

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 07:28:02 -0400
    From: Brent Pellegrini <brentpl@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: I Swan

    I've got an old Firesign Theater tape where they say that and segue
    into ASWAN (as in the Dam) I never knew what I Swan was until now.
    Thanks

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:35:26 -0400
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  We've lost another long-time [removed]

    Folks;

       Received word this morning from our friend Terry Salomonson of Audio
    Classics Archive; another OTR dealer is gone.

       Ivan Snell, of The Shadow's Sanctum and who was due to be at Cincinnati
    next week, has died of an apparent heart attack. For those of us who have
    been attending conventions for many years, Ivan was an ever-present figure;
    he was the only tape dealer to make the trek to last year's REPS Showcase,
    and was a routine presense at both Cincinatti and the Newark FOTR Convention.

       On a completely personal note, it was Ivan who, many years ago, introduced
    me to the South African Avengers radio program.

              Charlie

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:48:44 -0400
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  National Recording Registry
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    Hi Gang!

    The Voice of Art Chimes wrote (highly edited, here):

>     The Library of Congress has announced 50 items that will be added to its
>     National Recording Registry of key audio recordings of enduring value.

>     The complete list is at [removed].

>     Several items are of particular interest to OTR devotees, including --
>     9. NBC radio broadcast coverage of Charles A. Lindbergh's arrival and
>     reception in Washington, [removed] (1927)
>     21. Edward R. Murrow broadcast from London (1940)
>     22. "We Hold These Truths," radio broadcast (1941)
>     28. Jack Benny radio program, March 28, 1948
>     ("Your money or your life")

    By using the worded "added," Library of Congress implies that this
    is an ongoing project and that this newly announced Top-50 is being
    added to some registry that already exists. I went to the above link
    only to find these new inductees. If this registry already exists,
    does anybody know where to find the entire list, or, at least, how
    t[ navigate around LoC's website to do so?

    Hopefully, this is not the initial offering as 't'would be sad that
    Herb Morrison's "Oh, the humanity!" Hindenburg coverage,
    Orson Welles's Mercury Theatre "The War of the Worlds," and
    the Mae West/Don Ameche "Garden of Eden" sketch from
    "Bergen/McCarthy" were glaringly overlooked.

    Always in the ether,

    Derek Tague

    [removed]: I know I've said this before, but as a proud New Jerseyan,
    I'd like to accentuate that three of the biggest radio stories of the
    1930s took place in the Garden State: 1) the Lindbergh baby
    kidnapping trial; 2) the Hindenburg; 3) WOTW.

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    [ADMINISTRIVIA: The website location for the National Recording Registry
    Board is [removed]

    Also, for those of you with XM Satellite Radio, this topic was covered in an
    interview with Sam Brylawski on this morning's "The Bob Edwards Show" - this
    program is re-run at 9:00pm edt/6:00pm pdt this evening, and is looped on the
    on-line service all day today, and in rotation on the weekend.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 08:49:12 -0400
    From: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  more soap

    In #110, Ted Kneebone wrote:

>     The notes about castile soap reminded me
>     of the soap my mother used for laundry.
>     It was Fels-Naptha.  She had a Maytag
>     wringer washer, washboard, and two big
>     rinsing tubs.

    Now, I may not have heard of castille soap, but this youngster has definitely
    heard of Fels-Naptha soap.  When I left home to move to Michigan, a bar of
    Fels-Naptha was one of the things my mother sent with me.  Not for laundry by
    the load, but for cleaning individual stains.  A chunk of that soap and a lot
    of elbow grease seems to get the worst grease, grass, or mustard stains out
    of everything.

    I know Fels-Naptha is an old soap, but I don't remember ANY advertising for
    it.  Modern or old-time, print or radio/TV.  Every other soap advertised on
    the radio during the OTR era; did Fels-Naptha sponsor any shows?

    -chris holm

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 10:40:21 -0400
    From: Dan <teac35@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re: no new tape
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    actually, new reel tape will be manufactured later this month by a company
    located in Pennsylvania called Discount Tape. Part of the bankrupt buyout
    from Quantegy included all manufacturing rights and such to the entire Audio
    Tape line from Quantegy. You can still get tape from this reputable site:
    [removed] . They have a daily update halfway down the
    homepage.

     DISCLAIMER: I do not work or am I associated with this company - only a
    satisfied customer of their products.

     Make Yahoo! your home page

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 12:43:48 -0400
    From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed];
    To: Old-Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR Tributes

     >  Does anyone know of any OTR-related statues/monuments/places?

    There's "Allen's Alley" in downtown Boston, renamed and dedicated to
    native Fred Allen a few years ago.  And it literally is an alley -- a
    pedestrian pass-through between Boylston and Stuart Streets.

    Alan Chapman

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 13:39:24 -0400
    From: Jordan Young <jyoung@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Paul Henning

    I was out of town when Paul passed. Just wanted to note he was one of
    the nicest, gentlest and most down-to-earth folks in the business
    I've ever met, a real sweetheart. No bull, no pretense of
    sophistication, a Midwestern farm boy to the end.

    And yes, in response to inquiries, he talks at great length about his
    radio work on "Fibber McGee and Molly" and "Burns and Allen" in my
    book, THE LAUGH CRAFTERS. Contact me off-digest if interested.

    Jordan R. Young

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:07:11 -0400
    From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jack Webb

         Just in case anyone's interested, I located
    a book titled "Just The Facts Ma'am", the authorized
    biography of Jack Webb.  It's published by the same
    publishing house my books come from.  It includes
    everything (as I understand it) about Jack Webb's
    life, his work on OTR, and television among other
    interesting things.  Once I get the ISBN, I'll enter
    it on this mailing list.

         Wasn't Jack Webb the star of "Pat Novak For Hire"
    among others?

    Another OTR Fan,

    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:37:28 -0400
    From: "Frederick S. Hillman" <fshillman@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR-related monument -- Earle Graser

    In response to Mark Wuellner's question about OTR-related statues or
    [removed]

    Someone posted a few months ago that the city of Farmington Hills, MI
    planned to erect a sign near the former residence of Earle Graser, the
    pre-Brace Beemer radio Lone Ranger, who was tragically lost in 4/1941 as
    he was driving home from a broadcast.

    I sent a letter to the city council in support of the monument and
    received a very courteous reply  from them.  They indicated that the
    sign will be installed "in the Spring of 2005," and (in what I think is
    a marvelous gesture) the "sign will be in black and silver instead of
    the traditional green to keep with the theme."

    There has been some talk of a statue of Beemer in his hometown, Mt.
    Carmel, IL, but I don't know if that has moved forward.  Perhaps someone
    else has some info on [removed]  Here's an idea:  a sign below the Mt.
    Carmel highway signs saying something like "Birthplace of Brace Beemer,
    Radio's Lone Ranger."  After all, other towns and cities announce
    "All-American City" or "Championship Pom-Pom Team 1997," etc!

    Hi-Yo Silver,
    Fred Hillman

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:47:03 -0400
    From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  In Memory of Murray

    I notice in Ron Sayles' recent births/death submission
    among  the April 7th birthday anniversary dates that
    of Murray Bolen, who for a time was the
    producer/director of "The Mayor of the Town" during a
    period of the time I had my stint appearing on the
    show at CBS.

    One of Murray Bolen's many talents was  playing piano
    and writing songs.  I remember these lines from one of
    the ditties he wrote and sang due to a request I often
    made of him whenever he sat down to play for the cast
    during a break.  It was called "I'm Quitting Ole San
    Quentin," and it included the following lines:

    "I'm quitting Ole San Quentin,
    Sing Sing's the place I wanna be.
    I'll drop you guys a hint,
    up there I'll learn to print,
    I'll make myself some dough,
    you're gonna see."

    Ah, memories.

    Conrad Binyon

    ---
    conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
    Encino, CA
    Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:10:14 -0400
    From: "Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed];
    To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cincinnati Convention
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    Getting close. Anyone who is coming can pay when you
    get here. There are no added fees for doing that.
    It will be the first visit for Elliott Reid to Cincinnati. Hal
    Stone, Rosemary Rice, and Esther Geddes will make
    return visits.
    There are still rooms available at the hotel. All the
    little soccer players will be there the week before us.
    Anyone who comes this year will not have to stay at
    other hotels like last year.
    Looks like another weekend of old time radio and
    nostalgia.

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:10:28 -0400
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ivan Snell

    We recently lost another of our OTR enthusiasts.  Ivan was a friend of Barry
    Hill who died a few months ago.  This news was given to me by Terry
    Salomonson.  Ivan was a frequent dealer at our convention.  Jay

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:10:52 -0400
    From: "Tom Bewley" <fords3137@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  They are still out there
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    My now deceased aunt was a collector of common artifacts of the 30's and 40's.
    Once while visiting me in Seattle we reminisced about mixing an orange powder
    into uncolored margarine. A couple weeks following her return to Ohio I
    received an envelope that containing a six sided piece of cardstock on which a
    blob of orange powder was captured by a cellophane cover. Printed on the back
    was, "Margarine color  15PG  Starch--FD & C Yellows 3 & 4. Not less 15 % Pure
    color. Mix into 1 lb Margarine until evenly colored. The Dykem Co., St. Louis,
    Mo. I still have it. Anyone have a pound of uncolored Margarine?

    Tom Bewley

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:11:03 -0400
    From: Tom Greenli <tom_greenli@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  no more tape

>     hi
>     this is for those who still use reel to reel, as you
>     may or may not know no new tape is being made
>     according to a newspaper article,

    <snip>

>     ed

    Ed,
    The article that I read stated "No more reel to reel
    tape made in the US". There are still a few companies
    over seas making it.
    Tom

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:09:42 -0400
    From: seandd@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR Article in Ironwood Daily Globe

    This is a very nice nostalgic remembrance of OTR from a small newspaper in
    California.

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 18:09:53 -0400
    From: seandd@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Smothers Brothers in Spokane

    The Smothers Brothers are about to play Spokane.

    In an interview with the paper there, they identify Jack Benny and George
    Burns as among their all-time favorite TV show guests.

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 20:21:04 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  4-8 births/deaths

    April 8th births

    04-08-1882 - Lulu McConnell - Kansas City, MO - d. 10-9-1962
    comedienne: "It Pays to Be Ignorant"
    04-08-1887 - Walter Connolly - Cincinnati, OH - d. 5-28-1940
    actor: Charlie Chan "Charlie Chan"
    04-08-1889 - Sir Adrian Boult - Chester, England - d. 2-23-1983
    writer: "Advs. of Ellery Queen"; "Casebook of Gregory Hood"; "Sherlock
    Holmes"
    04-08-1896 - Yip Harburg - NYC - d. 3-5-1981
    lyricist: "Columbia Presents Corwin"
    04-08-1900 - Bert "Mad Russian" Gordon - NYC - d. 11-30-1974
    comedian: "Eddie Cantor Show"; Yasha "Duffy's Tavern"
    04-08-1905 - George Baxter - Paris, France - d. 9-10-1976
    announcer: "Grand Central Station"
    04-08-1905 - Ilka Chase - NYC - d. 2-15-1978
    panelist, hostess, actress: "Leave It to the Girls"; "Luncheon at the
    Waldorf"
    04-08-1912 - Sonja Henie - Kristiania, Norway - d. 12-12-1969
    skater, actress: "Hollywood Hotel"; "Bill Ster's Colgate Sports
    Newsreel"; "Shell Show"
    04-08-1915 - Fred Flowerday - d. 4-6-1986
    director: "The Lone Ranger"; "The Green Hornet"; "Challenge of the
    Yukon"
    04-08-1916 - Carl Cotner - IN - d. 11-14-1986
    steel guitar: "Gene Aurty's Melody Ranch"
    04-08-1919 - Virginia O'Brien - Los Angles, CA - d. 1-23-2001
    actress: "Blue Ribbon Town"
    04-08-1921 - Franco Corelli - Ancona, Italy - d. 10-29-2003
    operatic tenor: "Gala Performance"
    04-08-1930 - Dorothy Tutin - London, England - d. 8-6-2001
    actress: "Before the Party"
    04-08-1941 - Peggy Lennon - Los Angeles, CA
    singer: (The Lennon Sisters) "Music on Deck"; "Voices of Vista";
    "Guest Star"

    April 8th deaths

    01-28-1914 - Nelson Olmstead - MN - d. 4-8-1992
    actor: Joe Huston "Bachelor's Children"; Lee Edgar "In the Case of
    Aggie Horn"
    02-12-1893 - Omar Bradley - Clark, MO - d. 4-8-1981
    general of the army: "What Are We Fighting For?"; "[removed] Campaign"
    02-17-1897 - Marian Anderson - South Philadelphia, PA - d. 4-8-1993
    singer: "Ford Evening Sunday Hour"; "Telephone Hour"; "New World A'
    Coming"
    03-08-1909 - Claire Trevor - NYC - d. 4-8-2000
    actress: Lorelei Kilbourne " Big Town", Theresa Travers "Results,
    Inc."
    05-04-1924 - Gene Klaven - Baltimore, MD - d. 4-8-2004
    new york morning personalty: "Klaven and Finch"; "Klaven in the
    Morning"
    06-13-1920 - Ben Johnson - Pawnee, OK - d. 4-8-1996
    actor: "Francis Burke for Attorney General"
    12-19-1894 - Ford Frick - Wawaka, IN - d. 4-8-1978
    baseball comissioner: "Baseball: An Action History"; "Play Ball";
    "Tribute to Babe Ruth"
    xx-xx-1876 - Louis Dean - Wilmington, DE - d. 4-8-1933
    announcer: "Stoopnagle and Budd"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 23:11:52 -0400
    From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  useless information

    I don't know if anybody really wants to know this, but the Sleep No More
    show called Marris is from the story the horsehair trunk by Davis Grubb.
    Didn't that just make your day?  Kurt

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