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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 365

Table Of Contents: 

	 Multiple copies of same show
	 Meeting?
	 Re: Bill Conrad and THE RIDE BACK
	 The Shadow and Other Stuff
	 Saint Log, Part 1

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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 21:49:54 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Multiple copies of same show
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Richard Lawton asks:
>Newbie question: are there really two, three and even four versions of the
>same stories done by different shows out there, or are the same productions
>floating around under different company names?  
>

Yes, it was not uncommon for scripts to float around and be altered, or two
or more totally different versions of the same story to be written. I know
there are at least two versions of Bradbury's "Mars Is Heaven." One written
by the NBC staff and one written by CBS, both around the same time. CBS got
the jump because they optioned the program for use preventing NBC from
airing it when Dimension X first went on the air. It had been their
intention to use their version to open the new series.

There are also sometimes the same story/script under different titles. This
might be due to not having the exact title of the show, or from a script
re-title to add a fresh effect to it. A lot of shows might have the same
script with different casts. This was the case within both Dimension X and
X Minus One. Both of these series have the same production crew and X Minus
One is a sort of continuation of the previous Dimension X. But they are
definitely two different series each with slightly different philosophical
approaches to the stories. X Minus One was less dark in the stories it
chose even to the point of changing some that were done previously. Listen
to the Dimension X version of The Veldt, then listen to the X Minus One
version. The DX version is true to the original story, while the X Minus
One version has been altered slightly suggesting the parents are not in
fact killed but only driven crazy. Whether this was due to changing times
or not, is not 100% clear, though the X-1 version includes lines abhoring
how the parents had attempted to raise the kids - adding a sort of popular
50's Dr. Spock (the physician - the pointy-eared gentleman) philosophy.


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Date: Tue, 01 Oct 1996 21:49:58 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
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Subject: Meeting?
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Now that it looks like I will be at Newark, I will repeat a question
previously asked, but never fully answered (actually two questions):

Will those on this digest be getting together somewhere at the convention?

Will we all identify ourselves by wearing some kind of badge such as the
suggested  @

I will probably just make a badge with the above symbol unless some other
suggestion has been finalized. 

I apologise if something was decided since I did not pay as close attention
until I found I was able to attend.

@


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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:58:32 -0700
From: dabell@[removed] (Alan Bell)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Bill Conrad and THE RIDE BACK
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KEN GREENWALD wrote about James Arness' efforts to get a movie role for
Bill Conrad, The Ride Back.

>This was Arness's way of easing
>some of Conrad's disappointment. A very grand gesture, I believe.
>The film is a small masterpiece of western lore. If you can find a
>video copy of it, get it. It will be well worth it.

According to Maltin, the movie is not available on video:

"Well-handled account of sheriff and prisoner who find they need each
other's help to survive elements and Indian attacks."

Interesting story, Ken.

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ALAN BELL  3768 Sonoma Avenue  Santa Rosa, CA 95405  dabell@[removed]
=============================707-546-6988============================

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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:03:22 -0600
From: aerickse@[removed] (Anna Ericksen)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Shadow and Other Stuff
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Hi,

I have been looking for the Shadow show "The Gibbering Thing".  Anybody want
to trade for this show?

Also, since we are talking about the best from a certain show, any favorites
from NIGHTFALL?

Thanks

Carl

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Date: Tue, 1 Oct 96 22:26:43 EDT
From: claughli@[removed] (Charles Laughlin)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Saint Log, Part 1
Message-Id: <[removed]@superior>

                        A COMPASSIONATE
                       LOG OF THE SAINT

                              by

                       Charles Laughlin


[Updated 30 September 1996]

Here is a partial log of only the available episodes of THE
SAINT.  No attempt is made here to list episodes not available
to collectors from our beloved vendors.  

This has been very much a team effort.  I wish to acknowledge
the valuable assistance of Steve Finkelstein, Arlene Osborne,
Jack Mann and Randy Minnehan in bringing this project this
far.  Thanks also to Ted Davenport of Radio Memories for
supplying much needed material.  Every OTR collector's good
friend, Frank Passage, shared a partial log he had started
some time ago, but was unable to complete due to the lack of
the official script titles.  I especially want to thank Ian
Dickerson of the Saint Club for his generous help in providing
the crucial official script titles, dates and other
information.  We all look forward to his biography of Leslie
Charteris due out sometime in 1997.

Each episode is listed first in chronological order, and then
alphabetically under the official script title, followed in
parentheses by alternate titles as sold by various vendors. 
There follows the date of broadcast and the star who played
Simon Templar.  There is still some confusion about whether
some of the available early episodes were the CBS versions, or
the later repeats on MBS. 

I call this a "compassionate" log because it gives the opening
scene and dialogue for each episode for aid in identification. 
Just listen to the first moments of your tape and you should
be able to match up the correct script title.

These are all the episodes I have in my collection.  If you
have any I don't have, let's swap and I will add them to the
log.  I will put this log on my own homepage
([removed]~[removed]) and will update
it in the future as (hopefully) further episodes become
available.


Saint, The (w/ Vincent Price, Tom Conway, Barry Sullivan in
the title role; official script and alternate titles noted;
dates written Mo/D/Yr; notes on opening scene to aid
identification)

CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER:


10/15/47  Gangster District Attorney, A (Mr. Important)
7/31/49   Saint Goes Underground (orig. 12/17/47; Silver 
          Mine; Connolly Silver Mine)
8/14/49   Greed Causes Murder (Mr. Imperfect; Old Man's 
          Car; Mr. Ritchie's Loss) 
9/18/49   Schizophrenic Psychiatrist, A (Color Blind Killer;
          Barbara Brooks Case)
11/6/49   Case of the Unhappy Homicide (Prove I Killed 
          Carter; Prove I Did It)
11/13/49  Blond Who Lost Her Head (Fake Amnesia Killer;
          Dorothy Moore)
1/8/50    Cake That Killed, The (Case of the Missing Cake;
          Purloined Pastry)
6/11/50   Sinister Sneeze, The (Knockout Can Be Murder; The
          Prize Fighter; Breckenridge Is Afraid)
6/18/50   Sonata For Slayers (Music Names a Killer; Music
          Murder; Music Manuscript Murder; Beethoven)
7/2/50    Real Gone Guy (Search For a Killer; Music Can Be
          Murder)        
7/9/50    Problem of the Peculiar Payoff (Contract on the
          Saint; Contract for a Saint)
7/16/50   Follow the Leader (Death of the Saint; Hunt For 
          Carl Bruder; Hitler Protege)
7/23/50   Frightened Author, The (Murder Is Stranger Than
          Fiction; The Fighter's Contract; The Fighter's
          Story; The Fighter's Storybook)
7/30/50   Case of the Previewed Crime (Prescription for
          Murder; Author of Murder)
8/6/50    Corpse Said Ouch, The (Dead Girl's Diamonds; 
          Frances Blake Case)
8/13/50   Reflection on Murder (Murder in the Theater)      
8/27/50   Cupid & the Corpse (Tony Cartega Case; Counterfeit
          Bonds)
9/3/50    Baseball Murder (Alias, The Fixer)
9/10/50   Horrible Hamburger (The Mislaid Corpse)
9/17/50   Ghost That Giggled, The (The Key)
9/24/50   Dossier on a Doggone Dog (It Shouldn't Happen To a
          Dog; Dognappers)
10/29/50  It's Snow Use (Wanted As a Husband; The Saint Gets
          Married)
11/5/50   Miss Godby's School for Girls (The Kidnapped
          Daughter)           
11/12/50  Dame on the Doorstep, The (Return of Harry Morgan;
          Harry Morgan's Revenge)
11/19/50  No Hiding Place (Everyone Wants to Kill Tommy;
          Murder Plot in Prison; Murder Plot; Nancy 
          Pacheck Case)
11/26/50  Terrible Tintype, The (The Missing Picture; Picture
          of Murder) 
12/3/50   Martin Hickerson, Private Eye (The Detective, the
          Colonel and $50,000; The Young Detective; Playing 
          At Detective)  
12/10/50  Chiseling Chimpanzee, The (Don't Monkey with 
          Murder; The Monkey; Monkey Business)
12/17/50  Simon Minds the Baby (The Fight; The Champ's Kid) 
12/24/50  Santa Claus Is No Saint (Christmas Eve Problems;
          Christmas Jewels)        
1/7/51    Ladies Never Lie -- Much (Early Confession; The
          Alive Dead Husband) 
1/14/51   Simon Takes a Curtain Call (Mercer Bennett; The
          Actor; The Aging Actor)       
1/21/51   Tuba or Not Tuba, That's the Question (The Tuba
          Player)        
2/4/51    Carnival Murder, The (The Carnival; Under the
          Carnival)
2/11/51   Bride Who Lost Her Groom, The (The Missing
          Bridegroom)
2/18/51   Next of Kin (Noon Deadline)   
2/25/51   Big Swindle, The (The Amnesia Victim; Mr. Sugar)
3/4/51    What-Not what got Hot, The (The Furniture Move;
          Stolen Furniture; Claire Wayne Case)
3/11/51   Button, Button (The Shipboard Mystery; Stolen
          Paintings; The Orlando Button Case)
3/18/51   Birds and Bees of East Orange, The (The Bookstore
          Murder; Mae Owen Case)
3/25/51   Formula For Death (The Intruder; The Formula;
          Roland P. Archibald Case)
4/1/51    Simon Carries the Ivy (College Campus Threat)     
4/8/51    Ghosts Who Came to Dinner (Hawthorne House Mystery)
4/15/51   Strange Bedfellows (The Mayor's Son)              
4/22/51   Lady Who Leaned, The (Lady Has a Gun; Missing
          Gun)
4/29/51   Fishes Gotta Eat (Missing Husband)
5/20/51   Pin No Roses On My Corpse (The Red Rose)     
5/27/51   Children's Crusade (The Military Instructor)
6/3/51    Girl With the Lower Berth (Train of Events; The
          Train)
7/1/51    Death of a Cowboy (The Cowboy; Eyewitness to Murder)
7/8/51    Satan's Angels (Missing Angels; Angels and the
          Missing Second Trombone)           
7/15/51   No, My Darling Daughter (The Nursemaid; Win, Place,
          Show and Murder) 


ALPHABETICAL ORDER, WITH ACTOR & INITIAL SCENE:


Baseball Murder (Alias, The Fixer) 
9/3/50    V. Price
          Tires screech, "Going to the ball game,
          huh Mr. Templar?"

Big Swindle, The (The Amnesia Victim; Mr. Sugar)            
2/25/51   V. Price
          Door bell.  "Just a moment." Door opens,
          "Yes?"  Man's voice, "Are you Simon
          Templar, the man they call the Saint?" 
          "Yes, I am."  "Who am I?"  "Ah, what do I
          get if I come up with the right answer?"

Birds and Bees of East Orange, The (The Bookstore Murder; Mae
Owen Case)
3/18/51   V. Price
          A man hums "Farmer in the Dell" as he
          walks into a bookstore and is killed.

Blond Who Lost Her Head (Fake Amnesia Killer; Dorothy Moore)
11/13/49  V. Price
          Steps and street sounds.  "Taxi! Taxi!" 
          Car stops.  "4500 Sutter, please."

Bride Who Lost Her Groom, The (The Missing Bridegroom)      
2/11/51   V. Price
          Traffic noise.  Woman yells, "Taxi! 
          Taxi!"  "Personally, lady, the name is
          Louie, but [removed]"  Lady jumps in, "Please
          hurry!"

Button, Button (The Shipboard Mystery; Stolen Paintings; 
The Orlando Button Case) 
3/11/51   V. Price
          Doorbell.  The Saint says, "Just a moment
          please."  Opens door.  Oriental voice,
          "Mr. Temprer, Mr. Simon Temprer?"  "And if
          I say yes?"  "Ah, I am a George." 
          "Congratulations."

Cake That Killed, The (Case of the Missing Cake; Purloined
Pastry)   
1/8/50    V. Price
          Shop door opens.  "Evening, Sir, and
          welcome to the Bachelor's Friend."

Carnival Murder, The (The Carnival; Under the Carnival)     
2/4/51    V. Price
          Carnival sounds.  "Just step a little
          closer if you will my friend, you might be
          the start of a mighty insurgent throng."

Case of the Previewed Crime (Prescription for Murder; Author
of Murder)
7/30/50   V. Price
          "Mr. Templar, Mr. Templar!"  "I'm asleep." 
          "Mr. Templar!"  "Noisy dream."

Case of the Unhappy Homicide (Prove I Killed Carter; Prove I
Did It)
11/6/49 (rerun of 3/3/48)     V. Price
          "Waiter!" "Yes, Monsieur?"  "Waiter, would
          you tell the chef of this unhappy
          restaurant that he'd make a better
          shoemaker?"

Children's Crusade (The Military Instructor; 1st T. Conway
episode)
5/27/51   T. Conway
          Door bell rings.  Steps, and the Saint
          says, "Coming, coming."  Door opens.  A
          woman's voice, "Mr. Templar?"  "Yes.  And
          you of course are Miss Kitridge."

Chiseling Chimpanzee, The (Don't Monkey with Murder; The
Monkey; Monkey Business) 
12/10/50  V. Price
          Telephone rings.  Saint says sleepily,"I'm
          out of town!" Ring. "I'm curled up in
          front of a fire with a good book!"

Corpse Said Ouch, The (Dead Girl's Diamonds; Frances Blake 
Case)
8/6/50    V. Price
          Pounding on door.  "I'm not home!"  More
          pounding.  "It's the middle of the night
          and I'm asleep!"

Cupid & the Corpse (Tony Cartega Case; Counterfeit Bonds)   
8/27/50   V. Price
          Sound of car.  "You know something, Simon
          Darling?"  "Some things, [removed]"
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