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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2001 : Issue 406
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Re: Christmas Quiz [ JDavis3153@[removed] ]
Re: Amos Street and Andy Street [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
OT: Picture CD [ "[removed]" <swells@[removed]; ]
Historical reference [ "jay ranellucci" <jayran33@hotmail. ]
Goon Show [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
was it KNX or CBS?? [ "Eric Cooper" <ejcooper2001@[removed] ]
Lux article [ Ga6string@[removed] ]
Re: The Sky-Ride Towers [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
OT: Picture CD [ Charles <chascav@[removed]; ]
Seattle Rainiers broadcaster [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
Where is the NEW OTR? [ Michael Edwards <medwards_47@yahoo. ]
I Love A Mystery [ James Herman <californiajamesh@yaho ]
Sandra Gould [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
December 7th Gildersleeve [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
Bing Crosby KMH radio show [ jao@[removed] (Joseph Onorato) ]
Today In Radio History [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
RE: WHY CA, UK, AUS, ETC. [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 17:56:40 -0500
From: JDavis3153@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Christmas Quiz
The answers to Tony Baechler's Fibber McGee & Molly quiz are;
1. What was the little girl's first name? Elizabeth
2. What was Doc's first name? George
Merry Christmas,
Jeff
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:21:41 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Amos Street and Andy Street
Lee Munsick wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if Chicago has (or had) something named for Amos n'
Andy or Gosden & Correll.
Not in Chicago, as far as I know, although such a tribute would have been
appropriate, given their place in broadcasting history. Maybe whatever
enterprises currently occupy the space that used to be WMAQ Studio D on
the 24th floor of the Chicago Daily News Building or NBC Studio F on the
20th floor of Merchandise Mart (from which they broadcast), or Suite 2411
at the old Palmolive Building (where they wrote their scripts) might
consider putting up a plaque in their memory, but somehow I doubt it.
However, in the town of Lakewood, California, you *can* stand at the
intersection of Amos Street and Andy Street. These streets were laid out
in the thirties by a subdivision developer who was an A&A fan -- Amos
Street runs north-south for about four blocks, and Andy Street runs
east-west across the southern end of Amos Street, forming a short "T."
This was a middle-class suburban area when the streets were laid out, but
is a rather rough neighborhood today.
There is also a "Kingfish Street" in Orlando, FL, but this probably has
more to do with the actual fish of that name than with the radio
character. It would be a great address for a fly-by-night business
venture, however.
Elizabeth
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Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 18:21:47 -0500
From: "[removed]" <swells@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: OT: Picture CD
:-) To be honest, I am confused as to what I was refering to. I just saw on
the DVD player itself that it would display picture CD's. Not for sure what
format they have to be in or anything, but it's rather a neat feature
though.
Shawn
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:44:07 -0500
From: "jay ranellucci" <jayran33@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Historical reference
In the San Fernado valley just south of the Hollywood freeway near Universal
Studios is "Rue De Vallee" and in Encino the former home for so many of our
beloved radio stars is "Edward Everitt Horton Lane" (That's so long they put
it on two signs). Also in Palm Springs there's
"Bob Hope Dr." or lane. I'm sure there are a great many more in Palm
Springs but I don't have that map handy.
Merry Christmas to all.
Jay
"The only good radio is OTR"
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:44:17 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Goon Show
Does anyone out there know much about the "Goon Show"? I have several programs
and I listen to them every chance that I get. I would like to know a little of
its history and something about there stars other than Peter Sellers. Thanks,
Ron Sayles
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:44:27 -0500
From: "Eric Cooper" <ejcooper2001@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: was it KNX or CBS??
I have always wondered about this minor little thing, since topics does
come up on here concerning networks and/or affiliated vs owned stations.
(This question is probably best addresed either to Hal Stone and Conrad
Binyon or to Michael Biel and/or Elizabeth McLeod.)
Did the average listener identify such a program as "Lux Radio Theater" or
even a "Superman" broadcast as coming from KNX or KHJ (to use old-time
affiliates where I live) or as coming from CBS or Mutual. To clarify
further, it seems to me most likely today for a person to say "turn on
Channel 2" when they want to see "Everybody Loves Raymond", rather than for
them to say "turn on CBS". Would a person in the 1940s have said "Turn on
KFI, I want to hear "Archie Andrews", ( or KNX for "Lux") or would they have
said "turn on NBC"?
Eric Cooper
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:44:35 -0500
From: Ga6string@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Lux article
Thanks Michael J. Hayde for the tip on that excellent Lux article in The
Economist. I enjoyed it quite a bit!
Bryan Powell
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:45:13 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: The Sky-Ride Towers
An addendum to my previous response to Lee Munsick's comment regarding
landmarks named for A&A in Chicago -- while it's true that there aren't
any currently standing, I should mention at one time the tallest manmade
structures in the US west of New York stood in Chicago -- and were known
as "Amos" and "Andy."
These were the support towers for the "Sky Ride" attraction at the
1933-34 Century of Progress Exposition in Chicago. Built of steel
girders, and covered with electric lights, the two towers were by far the
tallest structures in the city -- approximately 64 stories high -- and
supported a cable-car ride that carried passengers on an 1800-foot trip
across the fairgrounds while suspended more than 600 feet in the air.
Correll and Gosden were deeply honored by the naming of these structures
after their characters, and took an extremely active role in promoting
the Fair. They appeared in person to dedicate the Sky Ride on the Fair's
opening day -- and a Paramount newsreel survives of their struggle to get
the ceremonial bottle to break across the gate. After the Fair was open,
the performers sent Amos, Andy, and the Kingfish on a road trip to
Chicago to tour the exposition for themselves -- and for two weeks in
July and August 1933, the nightly episodes followed the travelers on a
tour of the grounds, as they visited the exhibits and commented with
amazement on what they saw. (While they discussed the Sky Ride, they
obviously never referred to the towers by name.)
"Amos" and "Andy" were demolished after the fair ended, and outside of
old postcards you'd be hard pressed today to find any evidence that they
ever existed.
Elizabeth
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:45:29 -0500
From: Charles <chascav@[removed];
To: otr <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: OT: Picture CD
I missed the earlier post but GRAPHIC WORKSHOP PRO from
[removed] can write Kodak photo cd format files.
Charles
(Interesting web site in its own right.)
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:45:44 -0500
From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Seattle Rainiers broadcaster
Tas Richardson asked if anyone remembered who the sportscaster was for
the Seattle Rainiers in the old Pacific Coast League.
I think he must be remembering Leo Lassen who broadcast the games over
KOL for thirty years. Also known as "The Great Gabbo" he was on the job
til the mid 50's.
As for me I was a Los Angeles Angels fan whose games were broadcast by
Bob Kelly. I lived across the street from two Angels players and got to
go to alot of games. Not only did I get in free but I also got rides to
the ballpark(Wriggley Field).
Those were great days with some really great players many of whom later
played or managed in the Majors. Too many to mention here. There is a
very nice website for the Rainiers at
[removed] where you can hear The
Great Gabbo still calling those games!
George Aust
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:46:13 -0500
From: Michael Edwards <medwards_47@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Where is the NEW OTR?
In reviving the thread on why radio entertainment
isn't thriving in the [removed], Owens Pomeroy said: "In
response to Eric's posting about the 10% of these
related countries listening to "OTR", all I can say is
that it is 10% more than are listening here. And he
mentions Imagination Theatre as the only consistent
radio series. On how many stations - 5, 10, 15, 20?"
According to their website, Imagination Theatre is on
150 radio stations.
<snip> "Just think if every State in this great
Country of ours would air any of these programs on at
least one station, what a great rensissance we
would have for OTR. True, NPR is airing Prarrie Home
Companion on a syndicated basis, but this too is
limited to a few States that carry NPR."
According to A Prarie Home Companion's website, that
show is on 511 radio stations and attracts an audience
of 3 million listeners per week--not too shabby. BTW,
most National Public Radio stations that do carry PCH
do so live Saturdays at 6 pm--not quite as rigid as
being able to hear The Mystery Project every Saturday
at 6:30 on every CBC station, but pretty good. Even
my local NPR, where their idea of variety is Morning
Edition, classical music, All Things Considered, and
classical music, carries PHC.
I think cases like PHC (which I'm sure more than meets
your critera of one station per state), and CBC's
Mystery Theater prove that the notion "If you schedule
it, they will come" is false. It's not a national
travesty, either. If NTR is destined for a small
audience, well, they're in the same boat as many good
things. At 3 million, PHC does better than the
average UPN show, or much-ballyhooed cable
programming.
Season's greetings!
Michael Edwards
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:46:44 -0500
From: James Herman <californiajamesh@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: I Love A Mystery
I'm sure others will mention this but ILAM
originated in Hollywood.
The New York Cast 1939 - 1944 (CBS)
Jack: Michael Rafetto
Reggie: ? ?
Doc: Barton Yarlborough
The California Cast: 1949 - 1953 (Mutual)
jack: Russell Thorson
Reggie: Tony Randall
Doc: Jim Boles
It should be the following:
HOLLYWOOD 1939 - 1944 (NBC and later CBS)
Jack: Michael Rafetto(until 5-15-44), Jay Novello
(until 8-21-44), and then John McIntire until the end of the
Hollywood run on December 29,1944.
Reggie: Walter Paterson
Doc: Barton Yarborough
NEW YORK 1949 - 1952 (Mutual)
Jack: Russell Thorson (until 10-52) then Robert
Dryden until the end of the New York run on
December 26,1952.
Reggie: Tony Randall
Doc: Jim Boles
Mutual sustained show, which redid the original
scripts but in a different order and changed
some of the titles names.
A complete history of the show can be found on my
website.
[removed]
Does anyonae
on the Digest know of
any other show that had a new cast when it moved
Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar
moved from Hollywood to NY and Bob Bailey
was replaced by Robert Readick in 1960, and he was
replaced later by Mandel Kramer.
James
= ====
Meet Jack, Doc, and Reggie of I Love A Mystery at
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:47:34 -0500
From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Sandra Gould
Jim Widner asks:
Been listening to a bunch of Sam Spades recently and several that I heard
starred Sandra Gould as Bernadine, who replaced the vacationing Lurene
Tuttle in 1948. I know the name and some of the radio shows she appeared
in but I believe she was prominent on television too. I have a vague visual
image in my brain of her but am wondering if someone could refresh my
memory of just where I might have seen her on television - somehow a series
of commercials as a spokesperson/actor come to mind.
Jim, you are probably thinking of her only major role in television, on
"Bewitched". Gould took over the role of nosy neighbor, Gladys Kravitz,
in 1966 after the death of Alice Pearce in March of that year. Gould
then played the part until 1972 when the show went off the air in July,
having logged eight straight years in prime time.
The long term exposure on the TV show garnered Gould several TV
commercials, but I think many of them were regional and I don't remember
which national ones she did.
Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:48:10 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: December 7th Gildersleeve
Michael Simon asked:
Does anyone know where I can get a clear copy of the December 7, 1941 show
(Octavia visits) with the bulletins interrupting the program?
I don't believe there is any other copy of that episode extant. As I
recall, it was considered a missing show until those memovox discs showed
up. I know that Hickerson's guide indicated it was missing until it was
reported.
Not sure, however, if someone has tried to do some clean-up on the episode,
though the initial copy is not a good one to do much with. Recently, Chuck
Schaden's radio show, which is running a series on World War II radio used
the episode and it was from that memovox recording.
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:48:47 -0500
From: jao@[removed] (Joseph Onorato)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Bing Crosby KMH radio show
for Dec 25, 1941. can anyone help me find a copy of this program?
It's the first time Bing introducted and sang "white christmas", months
before filming Holiday Inn and before his first Decca recording.
Historic to say the least.
I have pieces of this show taken from
an badly damaged acetate [removed]
a decent copy is much desired by this 71 yr. old Crosby fan.
thank you.
jao@[removed].
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 10:48:54 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today In Radio History
From Those Were The Days --
1920 - WEAF, in New York City, aired the first broadcast of a prize
fight from ringside. The fight was broadcast from Madison Square Garden
where Joe Lynch defeated Peter Herman to retain the bantamweight title.
Bantamweights top the scales at 118 pounds. Just think, either of those
boxers could have been mistaken for the microphone stand.
1922 - WEAF once again proved to be the pillar of radio promotion. This
time they broadcast radio’s first double wedding ceremony. 4,000
spectators watched as the two couples exchanged vows at Grand Central
Palace. The broadcast was made in conjunction with the American Radio
Exposition. The couples each got $100; a hefty sum in 1922.
Joe
--
Visit my home page:
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Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 16:02:43 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RE: WHY CA, UK, AUS, ETC.
From: Owens Pomeroy <opomeroy@[removed];
Just think if every State in this great Country of ours would air
any of these programs on at least one station, what a great
rensissance we would have for OTR. True, NPR is airing Prarrie
Home Companion on a syndicated basis, but this too is limited
to a few States that carry NPR.
NPR does not carry Prairie Home Companion, although it did MANY years
ago. It is aired on Public Radio International (PRI) which used to be
American Public Radio (APR). Saying this program is on NPR is like
claiming an ABC program in on NBC. They are distinctly different
networks. However, a large percentage of PRI stations also are
affiliated with NPR. But Owens' seems to feel that in either case,
Prairie Home Companion is carried on only a few stations in a few
states. Their website lists stations carrying the program in 48 of the
50 states and I counted approx. 512 stations on that list. Plus
Washington DC and Guam with one each. The International listing shows
stations in Toronto, Dublin, Berlin, Geneva, Helsinki, and Stockholm;
over 20 cable systems in about 10 countries from Ireland to the Czech
Republic; AFN, the Far East Network in Japan and Korea, and the World
Radio Net on the internet. This is not a list that you can in any way
consider "limited to a few States that carry NPR." This PRI list of
stations that do carry the program--in many cases with repeats--is not
insignificant. Rhode Island and Delaware seem to be the only state
without a station carrying the program, and they are quite within the
range of neighboring states carrying the program.
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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