Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #261
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 7/11/2002 7:38 AM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 261
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      "To Be or Not To Be" story            [ Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed] ]
      Today in Radio History - Herbert Mar  [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
      Soft Drink Jingles                    [ "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@rivnet ]
      Birthday shows                        [ "Nemesis@[removed]" <nemesis@[removed] ]
      Lucky Lager Dance Time                [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      Radio was the first                   [ AandG4jc@[removed] ]
      Ethel Romig Fuller                    [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
      Vernors                               [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
      GEE DAD, IT'S A ROOT BEER             [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      Lucky Larger Dance Time               [ Wwtom@[removed] ]
      Re: Birth programs                    [ "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; ]
      Lucky Lager Dance Time                [ "Ed Kindred" <kindred@[removed]; ]
      [removed] Punch                [ "Ed Kindred" <kindred@[removed]; ]
      J. B. Kendall                         [ Jim Kitchen <jkitchen@[removed]; ]
      Moxie                                 [ "jsouthard" <jsouthard@[removed]; ]
      Ovaltine and Associated Stuff         [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      CBS "Chimes"                          [ Vntager8io@[removed] ]
      Lucky Lager Dance Time                [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
      radio scripts                         [ "randy story" <bygeorge@[removed]; ]
      9/30/62                               [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      not quite dead                        [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      Dr. Pepper's Secret                   [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:58:45 -0400
    From: Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "To Be or Not To Be" story

    The thread about Jack Benny in "To Be or Not To Be"
    reminded me of a story Jack told about his father,
    taken from the book "Sunday Nights at Seven, The Jack
    Benny Story" (used without permission, so please don't
    copy).

    "...While I was shooting [To Be or Not To Be], my
    father was living in Florida, where he had retired. He
    liked to stay at simple, unpretentious inns,
    patronized by elderly Orthodox Jews like himself.
    Everybody he met had to listen to my show and be crazy
    about me or Papa would have a fight with them. Every
    Monday like clockwork he wrote me a letter in broken
    English. The closing sentence was always the same: 'No
    matter who I meet they always know about my son, Jack
    Benny.'
    ..."To Be or Not To Be" came to Miami Beach. In the
    first scene in the movie I wore a Nazi uniform and was
    seated in my office in the theater. Another actor
    entered and my right hand shot up in the Nazi salute.
    'Heil Hitler,' I said.
    My father watched the movie for about one minute and
    when he saw this scene [removed] stomped out of the
    theater.
    For two weeks I didn't receive the regular weekly
    letter. I wrote him. He didn't answer. I telephoned.
    He was never 'in'. Finally, one evening he answered
    the phone when I called.
    'Hello, Dad,' I said.
    No answer at the other end.
    'This is Jack-your son.'
    'You're no son of mine! I got nothing to discuss with
    you.'
    'What did I do?'
    'You gave the salute to Hitler is what you did.'
    'Did you stay for the whole picture?'
    'I should stay for such a picture? I was never so
    ashamed in my life. I don't tell people anymore I'm
    the father of Jack Benny.'
    'But that was only the begining of the picture. If you
    had waited you would see that I'm against the Nazis.
    I'm fighting them. Please go back and see it all the
    way through.'
    So he did. And how he loved that movie now. By his own
    actual count, Papa saw 'To Be or Not To Be' forty-six
    times. Imagine."

    Other references to "To Be or Not To Be" reflect the
    statements others have already made,... It was a great
    thrill for Jack to be working with Lubitsch, and there
    was only a passing reference about working with Carol
    Lombarde (probably due to the painful memories of her
    tragic death).

    -Regards

    -FIBBERMAC-

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 16:59:42 -0400
    From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in Radio History - Herbert Marshall

    Joe Mackey's Today in radio history mentioned:

    <<1944 - The Man Called X, starring Herbert Marshall, debuted on CBS>>

    Herbert Marshall is a particular favorite of mine and someone I think
    qualifies for one of the greatest voices on radio (a discussion we once had
    in this group).

    I noticed that Harry Bartell worked with him quite a bit.   I hope Harry
    remembers him as the nice person I've always believed him to be.

    As a Hitchcock fan I located and bought a few of Hitchcock's pre-Hollywood
    English films one of which, "Murder" made in 1930 starred Herbert Marshall.

    Irene
    IreneTH@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:00:08 -0400
    From: "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Soft Drink Jingles

    Russ Butler asked about soft drink jingles on OTR in addition to Coke and
    Pepsi.  I grew up in the Chicago suburbs and remember quite vividly a radio
    jingle for Dad's Old Fashioned Root [removed] name of  the product was
    sung to the beating of a [removed]"Dad's Old Fashioned Root Beer/Dad's Old
    Fashioned Root beer/etc.

    I have no idea whether or not Dad's was a local, regional of national
    product, but my grandmother in the 30s and 40s used to put a scoop of
    vanilla ice cream in a mug of Dad's.  She called it a "Black Cow."  I called
    it delicious.

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:00:25 -0400
    From: "Nemesis@[removed]" <nemesis@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Birthday shows

    Call me an idiot, or unobservant, or something, but I'm wondering where
    people have been looking up shows that might have run on their birthday.  I
    missed the link for the source.  Could someone please re-post it, or send it
    to me off list?
    Thanks in advance
    Linda T.

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:00:33 -0400
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Lucky Lager Dance Time

    Bill  Rockhold remembered the program "Lucky Lager Dance Time" . I
    remember it too, but I always assumed that it was a local show here in
    Los Angeles as the beer was brewed here (actually in Azusa : attn Jack
    Benny fans) and was broadcast on  local 50,000 watt station KMPC,
    located on Sunset  Blvd in Hollywood. I think that it was only on
    saturday nights but that could have changed to nightly later in the
    50's.

    The opening theme of the show was Benny Goodmans "Don't Be That Way". I
    listened mostly in the late 40's and very early 50's and I remember
    thinking that the best music that they played on that show was the
    opening and closing themes

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:13:09 -0400
    From: AandG4jc@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio was the first

        Back in 1945, the geniuses behind the Superman radio broadcast decided to
    introduce Batman to the Man of Steel. Then about 10 to 15 years later DC
    Comics decided to pair the two in a monthly magazine called "The Worlds
    Finest."
        Now after more than 50 years, the studio heads at Warner Brothers, has
    made a decision to do a Batman/Superman movie, because of the recent success
    of the Spiderman film and other comic books.
        It was reported in Variety and other movie news sheets and it also
    mentioned the comic connection but not the beloved radio series.
        Radio deserves more respect than this, folks!
    Here is a brief on it from a news site.  "Fans who worried that DC Comics'
    only response to Spider-Man would be "Wonder Twins" can rest a bit easier
    today. Both Variety and The Hollywood Reporter confirmed recent reports that
    the blockbuster crossover pic Batman Vs. Superman is, indeed on the
    fast-track and targeted for a 2004 release.
    Wolfgang Petersen (The Perfect Storm), who has long been attached as director
    will also serve as producer on the movie."
    Allen

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:26:40 -0400
    From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Ethel Romig Fuller

    Clif  Martin in yesterday's Digest, asked about Ethel Romig Fuller, a now
    out-of-print Oregon poet who wast at one time quite renowned, at least
    around the Pacific Northwest.

    Ms. Fuller wrote frequently for THE OREGONIAN and has had her poems
    collected in several books.  Ones  still available that can be found at
    used bookstores are "Kitchen Sonnets and Lyrics of Domesticity," "White
    Peaks and Green," and "Skylines."

    Her signature poems were lovely lyrics about things we take for granted ---
    the beauty in nature, the joys of everyday living, the wondrous interplay
    of the Mt. Hood Forest and Mt. Hood itself.  Fuller was a tried and true
    Oregonian.

    I think she  also edited THE OREGONIANS'  poetry column for a number of
    years.

    Dennis Crow

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:27:14 -0400
    From: JackBenny@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Vernors

    Irene, you have returned the favor with the information on Vernors.  I was a
    kid in the midwest who was raised on Vernors (probably more that than water),
    and I still love the stuff although it's harder to come by in California.
    HoJo's used to serve something called a "Boston Cooler", which was basically
    Vernors mixed with milk and a little ice cream.  Odd as it may sound, I still
    like Vernors and milk.

    I was told by a friend of mine that Vernors was boycotted by African
    Americans in the 40s and 50s.  It seems that the management, at least in
    their Detroit plant, was a known racist, wouldn't hire blacks, and didn't
    even want them anywhere near the plant, which led to several incidents.
    Evenutally more rational heads prevailed.

    Sorry for being off-topic, but you don't hear people talk about Vernors too
    much.

    --Laura Leff

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 17:58:21 -0400
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  GEE DAD, IT'S A ROOT BEER

>     ...Dad's Old Fashioned Root Beer!

    Remember their slogan -- HAVE YOU HAD IT, [removed]

          [removed]
          A DATE WITH SINATRA

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 18:41:18 -0400
    From: Wwtom@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Lucky Larger Dance Time

    I fondly recall hearing Lucky Larger Dance Time on KNBC (now KNBR) in San
    Francisco around 9:30 in the evening.  Does anyone have a similar Bay Area
    recollection?

    Wesley Tom
    Redlands, CA

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:14:36 -0400
    From: "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Birth programs

    Says Harry Bartell:

>     The radio shows on the day I was born consisted of a lot of dots and
>     dashes.

    To which I say, "The Morse the Merrier!"

    Michael

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:14:56 -0400
    From: "Ed Kindred" <kindred@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Lucky Lager Dance Time

    During my "pearl diving" (dishwashing) days in a root beer stand in the
    early 50's I would take my portable radio to the root
    beer stand in order to hear the Phoenix Senators (Class C Arizona-Texas
    League) baseball games and then afterwards listen
    to "Lucky Lager Dance Time". What I don't remember is if I heard it on a
    local  or San Francisco station. In those days most
    of the Phoenix stations did the Francis Scott Key at midnight leaving the
    airwaves open for the western 50 kwr's. As far as we
    were concerned LA, SF, SLC, DEN, ALB, DAL, San Antone and Des Moines'
    biggies were local stations at night.
    This was before Rock and Roll drove the big bands and classy pop singers
    underground. It was wonderful but then R&R turned
    me into a mid teenage classical nerd. Ah, Ray Anthony, Ralph Marterie, Russ
    Morgan, Sauter-Finnegan, Tony Arden, Fran Warren,
    Peggy Lee, Perrry Como and Jo Stafford, what did they do with you? I
    couldn't find you after Elvis et al arrived.
    Ed Kindred, a senior citizen nerd

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 19:15:20 -0400
    From: "Ed Kindred" <kindred@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  [removed] Punch

    The Dove into Dover reminded me of a charades type game we were playing
    once concerning state capitols.
    My wife grabbed the sides of her slacks and pulled them out as if it were a
    skirt and started sashaying and shaking
    her head from side to side. The whippersnappers and I stared at each other
    in puzzlement. She had to explain
    that she was doing the capitol of Idaho and she was illustrating that it
    was NOT GIRLSE.  We had to admit that
    she was indeed creative and that never in our life times would we have
    solved that one.  None of us have forgotten
    it either and it is always good for a family chuckle.
    Ed Kindred

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:09:14 -0400
    From: Jim Kitchen <jkitchen@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  J. B. Kendall

    In episode #5, "The Lost Mine", originally broadcast 3-2-58, Kendall is
    in Fort Benton looking for a story.   He's directed to Short Horn Tom, a
    grizzled old prospector who claims to have discovered a lost gold mine 6
    years earlier.  Short Horn Tom talks Kendall into going partners
    to search for his lost mine. After several confrontations, they leave
    Fort Benton traveling towards the High Wood  mountains.  Kendall asks
    Short Horn Tom what his real name is.  Short Horn Tom says in his youth
    the name was Weatherly.  Short Horn Tom then asks Kendall what the J. B.

    stands for?  After some hesitation, Kendall says, "Jeremy Brian!"
    Short Horn Tom sympathizes with him and says, "A man could get killed
    out here with a name like that!"

    Jim Kitchen

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:09:41 -0400
    From: "jsouthard" <jsouthard@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Moxie

    I  grew up in New England and tried Moxie. But even in the late 40's it was
    becoming scarce in Western Massachusetts. The reason is because it tasted
    awful. I put in the same category as "Beef Iron and Wine" and castor oil. I
    cannot drink Dr. Pepper today because it reminds me of Moxie.  The best
    drink of my youth was home made Root Beer.
    John Southard

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 20:24:51 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ovaltine and Associated Stuff

    Tom Mason noted,

>     I also remember the great cold shake of Ovaltine, milk and ice in an
>     ole Orphan Annie or Captain Midnight shake up mug.

    On both the radio and TV show, the commercials were busy explaining how
    best to prepare the shakes.

>     I still can't see why some people have this disdain for Ovaltine to
>     this day.  I still keep a jar in the house.  Its great sprinkled over
>     cereal

    Ovaltine did some creative things with the product.  Onmce they marketed
    a Nestles_Crunch-type chocolate bar.  However, instead of crisped rice,
    they put in crystals of Ovaltine!

>     And a year or so ago, they offered a decoder ring (finally.)

    Which reestablished the tradition began in 1934 -- substituting numbers
    for letters.  From the first Radio Orphan Annie Secret Society handbook
    through the 1955-56 TV "Plane Puzzle Decoder, (they weren't Code-O-Graphs
    in the TV incarnation), this scheme had been used.  But the 1957 "Silver
    Dart Decoder" used a letter-letter substitution.  It was the first and
    only break with tradition: the ring used the letter-number scheme.

    The current crop of Ovaltine folk weren't aware that there had never been
    a ring before 2000.

    On the ring: it's okay, but virtually unwearable.  The "decoder" crown is
    too bulky.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2002 23:47:40 -0400
    From: Vntager8io@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  CBS "Chimes"

    Although this is a bit more recent than OTR, CBS radio news reports contain a
    very fast three or four tone "chirp" to cue local stations before every
    commercial break. This comes after the announcer says "This is CBS Radio
    News" followed by the "chirp" and then the commercials. We don't have any CBS
    radio news stations around here any more, the last time I heard this was
    about five years ago, when our local CBS Radio news station changed formats.
    Does anyone know if this "chirp" is still used?

    Bryan Wright

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    Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:02:39 -0400
    From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Lucky Lager Dance Time

    Hey all:
          I'd completely forgotten about Lucky lager Beer.
    I grew up in and around the Seattle area and I can
    still remember the commercials.
         Regarding LLDT, I ask Jim French if he remembered
    the show and his eyes lit up. It seems LLDT was sort
    of a franchise affair. A script would be sent out to
    different radio stations around the country. Each
    station would put in it's own MC and so on. So if you
    heard the show in Texas, we heard the same script here
    in Washington but with a different cast.
          Jim was the program director of KING radio in
    Seattle for a short spell in the fifties and remembers
    going down to either [removed] or San Fransisco to meet
    with ad agency reps from McCann - Erickson to discuss
    the program. He's promised to write it all out for me
    in detail later.
           Larry Albert

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    Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:03:22 -0400
    From: "randy story" <bygeorge@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  radio scripts

    SOS SOS SOS
    [removed] not quite that serious, but i do need some help.
    i need to find scripts for these christmas shows. i also need several of
    them on tap or cd if possible. i have starred(*) these shows.
    take a look below and let me know if any of you can help me. mail me off or
    on list, but please contact me if you can help in ANY way. i need these for
    some holiday projects with my students and our local theater group.

    LUX RADIO THEATER
    Christmas In July            6-26-44*
    Christmas Holiday           9-17-45
    It's A Wonderful Life       3-10-47
    Miracle of the Bells          5-31-48
    The Bishop's Wife            12-19-49*

    SCREEN GUILD THEATER
    Meet John Doe                9-28-41* THIS ONE IS A PRIORITY!
    Going My Way                1-08-45
    Christmas In Conneticut    8-5-46*
    Bells of St. Mary's            Unknown Date

    any and all help will be deeply appreciated.
    thanks.
    god bless us all in this one nation UNDER GOD.

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    Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:03:51 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  9/30/62

>     Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 12:31:54 -0400
>     From: JIMWMQT@[removed]

>     One of the reasons I got interested in old time radio was because of the
>     day I was [removed]

>     September 30, 1962.

    I suppose there's supposed to be some significance to the date, but I'm afraid I'm missing it.
    Would you care to elucidate?

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:07:23 -0400
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  not quite dead

    I thought of you guys while listening to Paul Harvey's show today. He
    mentioned a fellow who everyone thought was dead and was taken to the
    morgue. He woke up there. So it still happens! Did anyone else catch this
    broadcast?

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    Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:09:17 -0400
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dr. Pepper's Secret

    I had written of my experience in getting a poorly mixed Dr. Pepper at a soda
    fountain and how much the extra syrup made the drink taste like prune juice.
    I wondered if prune juice was not Dr. Pepper's secret ingredient. Little did
    I realize that legions of others had been wondering the same thing since the
    30's. "Garry D. Lewis" <glewis@[removed]; provided the following
    urban myth links:

    [removed]
    [removed]~[removed]#q7
    [removed]

    It had never occurred to me to attempt to debunk my notion, since I didn't
    know anyone else shared it. One of these pages mentions a theory that the
    rumor was started by a Dr. Pepper competitor to harm their business. No such
    conspiracy theory is necessary to account for the belief, however; if I
    thought the syrup tasted like prune juice, no doubt others did also. However,
    the matter is not entirely settled by Dr. Pepper's denial; it's just remotely
    possible a large corporation can fib, just as it is speculated that Coke has
    not been entirely truthful in repudiating all the Coke formulas that have
    been submitted to them for verification. More likely, though, the 23 fruit
    flavors that Dr. Pepper claims are present just happen to taste like prunes;
    one dried, pureed fruit tastes much like another, I suppose. I personally
    happen to like prunes (especially now that they've become dried plums); my
    mother used to bake a very tasty prune cake, which had no particular side
    effect.

    Garry adds, rather cryptically: "yours and there's on coca in Coke either."
    Well, if I interpret this to mean there is no trace of the coca plant in
    Coca-Cola, it would seem on this point you are mistaken, Garry. Not all urban
    myths are without foundation. The original Coca-Cola did contain cocaine
    which was also used, at least until recent years, as a pain killer,
    particularly by dentists, precisely because it is not physically addictive.
    Cocaine is no longer an active ingredient, of course, but, according to one
    of the sites you cite, Coke still contains a derivative of the coca plant.

    Curiously, with all the discussion of OTR's soft drink sponsors, I'll be
    darned if I can remember a single show that Coke sponsored, nor any pre-tv
    Coke jingles. Also, does anybody know the name of the white-haired elf who
    wore a coke cap for a cap and who appeared so often painted in
    Brobdingnagian, rather than elfin, proportions on the brick sides of so many
    stores? I was always pretty sure the little guy was Speedy Alka-Seltzer
    moonlighting.

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    Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 08:09:24 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

      From Those Were The Days --

    1934 - The first appointments to the newly created Federal
    Communications Commission were made. The governing body of the American
    broadcasting industry was first served by seven men named as
    commissioners.

    Today's birthday:

    1906 - Harry von Zell radio/TV actor, announcer: Eddie Cantor, Burns and
    Allen and other programs; d. Nov 21, 1981

      Joe

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