Subject: [removed] Digest V2006 #308
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 11/8/2006 4:18 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2006 : Issue 308
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      John Brown, Versatility Personified   [ "Stuart Lubin" <StuartLubin@[removed] ]
      Dick Stark                            [ "Bill Knowlton" <udmacon1@[removed] ]
      Copyrighted Sounds                    [ "Dale Clark" <wclark4121@[removed] ]
      Re: Hires Root Beer                   [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]
      The Cinnamon Bear                     [ Crow8164@[removed] (Dennis Crow) ]
      copyrighted sounds                    [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      Re: Elliott Lewis                     [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
      11-8 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      Doc Williams Radio Interview          [ "Bill Knowlton" <udmacon1@[removed] ]
      Cats N' Jammerers?                    [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
      Simpsons WotW on YouTube              [ Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed]; ]
      Old RCA Radio info.                   [ <[removed]@[removed]; ]
      John Brown                            [ Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:23:30 -0500
    From: "Stuart Lubin" <StuartLubin@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  John Brown, Versatility Personified

    Thank you, Andrew Godfrey, for reminding us of the great John Brown.  He was
    so vocally diversified that, at least for me, I never could recognize those
    characterizations as his, until the credits were given. Many times, I had
    thought an error had been made in the credits because I had thought someone
    else had done the role.

    An example of this was on the show "The Life Of Riley".  Not only was Mr.
    Brown the neighbor, Gillis, but also wore the broadcast "hat" of Digger
    O'Dell, the friendly undertaker.  John Brown was the narrating voice of
    Broadway on the Damon Runyon Theatre.  He certainly never sounded like John
    Brown when he did any of these roles.  The character of Al on "My Friend
    Irma" was completely different from anything else he ever did on radio.

    Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that, at one time in his
    career, he lost a lot of work because he had been blacklisted as a Communist
    by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.  Radio's loss,
    undoubtedly!

    Stuart Lubin

    Los Angeles

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    Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 18:51:01 -0500
    From: "Bill Knowlton" <udmacon1@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dick Stark

>     11-07-1911 - Dick Stark - Grand Rapids, MI - d. 12-12-1986
>     announcer: "It Pays to be Ignorant"; "Perry Mason"; "Walter Winchell's
>     Jergens Journal"

    I knew him  as Marine Col. Stark. He started a second career in the Marines
    after oldtime radio died and was the director of Marine Public Affairs for
    the NYC area. His office was next to me in the USAF PR Office. 663 Fifth
    Ave. A remote operating base. Hardship tour of course.

    This was 1967-1971.

    I remember him doing Camay Soap commercials during afternoon radio soap
    operas (Perry Mason), and TV host of the "Silver Theater."

    Nice guy; never knew he was entrapped with the "Ignorant" crew. Wish I
    [removed] to hear what zanies they [removed]

    BILL KNOWLTON

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    Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:00:31 -0500
    From: "Dale Clark" <wclark4121@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Copyrighted Sounds
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    Martin Grams Jr. wrote:

>     A couple years later, Brown copyrighted the sound of the creaking door.
>     The NBC Chimes, historically, are the only other copyrighted sounds
>     registered through the [removed] Copyright Office.

    I did some background on this and found that the creaking door from ISM
    was not copyrighted, but was trademarked. Other sounds which have [removed]
    Trademarks:

    MGM's Leo the Lion's "Roar"
    ISM's Creaking Door
    Harley Davidson's engine sound (described as Potato, Potato, Potato)

    Also are there any OTR Conventions in Texas? It's kinda lonely down
    here.

    You know you're an OTR Lover when you leave a party with your wife, you
    tell her, "Say Goodnight Gracie."
    You know you're married to an OTR Lover when your wife replies to the
    room, "Goodnight Gracie"

    Dale Clark
    OTR Lover
    San Antonio, TX

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    Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:07:02 -0500
    From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Hires Root Beer
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    I was looking at some old magazines I have, and noticed an ad for Hires  root
    beer. At the bottom of the ad was a plug for a radio show sponsored by  Hires
    titled, "Hires To You." Is anyone familiar with this show? I have  looked
    high, and low, and cannot find anything about it.

    Charlie

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    Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:09:21 -0500
    From: Crow8164@[removed] (Dennis Crow)
    To: [removed]@[removed] (Old Time Radio Digest)
    Subject:  The Cinnamon Bear

    This will be my last reminder for the current year about  "The Cinnamon
    Bear."  I have sent out dozens of packets containing a Maybeland map,  sheet
    music for the title song, and the lyrics for all eleven songs in the series.
    You'll enjoy the programs so much more if you can sing along and track the
    adventures.  Your family will be blessed if you start  a tradition of
    listening, every year,  to  the adventures of Paddy O'Cinnamon. I will send
    you a packet if you let me know your postal  address. There is absolutely no
    charge to you---for anything!

    As he declares so many times during his adventures, he would be "much obliged
    to you!"   And so would I.  Paddy belongs to ALL of us.

    Dennis Crow

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    Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:19:56 -0500
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  copyrighted sounds

>     I am not aware of any other attempts to copyright sounds through the
>     Copyright Office, nor any other attempts to have an infringement suit filed
>     against someone or some entity for using the sound of any creaking door.  I
>     am assuming that anyone can use the sound of any creaking door, for any
>     radio drama, as long as they are not reproducing the very sound of the
>     creaking door from a recording of CBS RMT or INNER SANCTUM MYSTERY.

    I hope so.  Otherwise we're committing a copyright violation every time we
    open one of our kitchen cabinets.  Gotta oil it sometime.

    I read, though I don't know if it is valid, that the sound of the
    Harley-Davidson motorcycle engine is copyrighted.  I do know that a digital
    recording of the Harley engine is used in a number of toys and advertised as
    such, though I haven't thought to look on the boxes for a copyright notice.

    There are plenty of sounds that could possibly have have been copyrighted,
    especially those in advertisements.  The Alka-Seltzer fizz comes to mind.

    M Kinsler

    then there's [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:44:28 -0500
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Elliott Lewis

     >   Elliott Lewis who was involved with 937 OTR shows according to
     > [removed] and John Brown with 646 shows listed had to be two
    of the
     > most often used actors in old time radio.

    Without looking at the list, you might want to keep in mind that Lewis
    was not only an actor, but also, producer and director - [removed] On Stage,
    Suspense, Hollywood Radio Theater, Crime Classics.  That would probably
    be a large part of his credits in Goldin's Index.

    Jim Widner

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    Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 02:12:01 -0500
    From: charlie@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
    and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
    over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
    of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
    real-time OTR talk!

    Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
    others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
    range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
    it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
    it's always a good time!

    For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
    week and every week!

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    Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 06:38:15 -0500
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  11-8 births/deaths

    November 8th births

    11-08-1847 - Bram Stoker - Dublin, Ireland - d. 4-20-1912
    author: "Mercury Theatre"; "Hall of Fantasy"; "Mind's Eye"
    11-08-1865 - Tim Frawley - Washington, [removed] - d. 4-26-1936
    actor: Old Ranger "Death Valley Days"
    11-08-1899 - Edmund "Tiny" Ruffner - Crawfordsville, IN - d. 2-23-1983
    announcer: "Show Boat"; "Captain Diamond's Adventure"; "Better Half"
    11-08-1900 - Franklin Parker - Filmore, MO - d. 6-12-1962
    actor: "Gene Autry's Melody Ranch"; "Big Town"
    11-08-1900 - Margaret Mitchell - Atlanta, GA - d. 8-16-1949
    author: "Gone with the Wind Premier"; "Gone with the Wind"
    11-08-1909 - Sam Balter - Detroit, MI - d. 8-8-1998
    sports, news commentator: "Inside of Sports"; "Sizing Up the News"
    11-08-1909 - Scotty Wiseman - Ingalls, NC - d. 1-31-1981
    singer: (Lulu Belle and Scotty) "National Barn Dance"; "Boone County
    Jamboree"
    11-08-1913 - June Havoc - Vancouver, Canada
    actor: "Advs. of Sam Spade"; "Theatre Guild On the Air"
    11-08-1913 - Robert Strauss - NYC - d. 2-20-1975
    actor: Doc Prouty "Advs. of Ellery Queen"; Pa Wiggs "Mrs. Wiggs of
    the Cabbage Patch"
    11-08-1914 - Norman Lloyd - Jersey City, NJ
    actor: "Columbia Presents Corwin"; "Words at War"
    11-08-1916 - Norman Macdonnell - Pasadena, CA - d. 11-xx-1979
    producer, director: "Gunsmoke"
    11-08-1918 - Bob Schiller - San Francisco, CA
    writer: "Duffy's Tavern"
    11-08-1918 - Paul Barnes - Chicago, IL - d. 5-16-1983
    actor: Red Albright/Captain Midnight "Captain Midnight"
    11-08-1921 - Jerome Hines - Hollywood, CA - d. 2-4-2003
    singer: "Standard Hour"; "Voice of Firestone"
    11-08-1927 - Patti Page - Claremore, OK
    singer: "One Night Stand"; "Bing Crosby Show"; "Your Rhythm Revue"
    11-08-1931 - Darla Hood - Leedey, OK - d. 6-13-1979
    actor: "Jack Benny Program"; "Bud's Bandwagon"

    November 8th deaths

    02-03-1894 - Norman Rockwell - NYC - d. 11-8-1978
    artist: "The Breakfast Club"
    02-26-1891 - Josef Bonime - Vilna, Poland - d. 11-8-1959
    conductor: "Death Valley Days"; "Echoes of New York"
    03-20-1914 - Wendell Corey - Dracut, MA - d. 11-8-1968
    actor: Detective Dan McGarry "McGarry and His Mouse"
    04-21-1907 - Beatrice Kay - The Bronx, NY - d. 11-8-1986
    singer: "Gaslight Gayeties"; "Beatrice Kay Show"
    07-03-1913 - Dorothy Kilgallen - Chicago, IL - d. 11-8-1965
    commentator: "Voice of Broadway"; "Breakfast with Dorothy and Dick"
    08-27-1901 - John Gannon - Chicago, IL - d. 11-8-1969
    actor: Billy Fairfield "Jack Armstrong"
    11-21-1905 - Ted Ray - Wigan, Lanchashire, England - d. 11-8-1977
    comedian: "Ray's a Laugh"
    12-08-1914 - Mary Patton - Duluth, MN - d. 11-8-1982
    actor: Marie Martel "Arnold Grimm's Daughter"; Lila North "Fat Man"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:08:28 -0500
    From: "Bill Knowlton" <udmacon1@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Doc Williams Radio Interview

    I spent this morning interviewing WWVA country legend Doc Williams.

    Doc Williams and the Border Riders were stars of Wheeling West Virginia's
    "WWVA Jamboree" from 1937 to Doc's last appearance in 2002. In that time the
    now-92 year old singer/guitarist became a household word in all of the
    Northeast and Eastern Canada (to include Newfoundland).

    Doc even made some records for his "Wheeling" label using a bluegrass banjo,
    and the voice of his beloved Wife Chickie opens and closes my Bluegrass
    Ramble radio show with "The Parlor Is A Pleasant Place To Sit In Sunday
    Night;" my weekly theme song since 1973.

    I owe a lot to Doc. While growing up in Queens NY in the 1950s it was the
    booming signal of WWVA that added to my appreciation and love of oldtime
    country and bluegrass music. Doc would appear twice on the Saturday night
    show; then he and the Border Riders would return to the WWVA studios to do
    another show from 12:30 to 1 [removed] Sunday morning. Often they followed a
    great half hour by the Osborne Brothers.

    Doc and I talked about his many successful tours of New York State, Northern
    New England, and Canada. He described the days he had a store across the
    street from the Jamboree's Capitol Theatre where many of his fans met him
    for the first time. And he was very proud of the many successful tours he
    took through the Maritime Provences and Maine--in the DEAD OF WINTER!

    The interview was conducted in conjunction with Doc's new biography: "A
    Country Music Legend: Doc Williams Looking Back," written with his daughter
    Barbara ("Peeper") Smik. It's available at [removed]

    I plan to run it this Sunday night starting at 9:30 pm EST and you can hear
    it on [removed].

    BILL KNOWLTON: "BLUEGRASS RAMBLE," WCNY-FM, SYRACUSE NY ([removed]: Syracuse,
    [removed]: Utica, [removed]: Watertown NY/Kingston Ontario)

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    Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 12:50:28 -0500
    From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cats N' Jammerers?
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           While I don't remember any program titled "The Cats N' Jammerers", I
    do seem to recall hearing something called "The Katzenjammer Kids".
    I don't think it was a radio program, though, but a comic strip.  There might
    have been a radio program based on the comic strip which I'm not aware
    of.  I've done some research on this and have yet to uncover any programs
    under this title.  You might want to consider running this through a search
    engine like [removed] or [removed] and see what you can discover.

            Best of luck!

    Sincerely,

    Kenneth Clarke
    Another OTR Fan

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    Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:13:05 -0500
    From: Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Simpsons WotW on YouTube

    Here's where you can watch the War of the Worlds
    parody from last Sunday's Simpsons. Broadband
    connection required.

    [removed]

    _________________
    Alan/Linda Bell
    Grand Rapids, MI

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    Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:31:11 -0500
    From: <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Old RCA Radio info.

    Hi.

    I recently was given two old RCA radios and I was wondering about them. Can
    any one help?

    They are:

    RCA Model 523
    and
    RCA Model QB5

    Both are baklite and table top, tube radios. The 523 is a plug in type while
    the QB5 is a battery type. Both are in excellent shape, complete in all but
    the back panels. All tubes and wiring are in place and the dial glass on
    each is clear and uncracked, the writing is unblemished and the cases are
    completely intact.

    I would like to know the ages of these radios, the current value of each as
    I may consider selling them.

    Please contact me off list.

    Roger Keel

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    Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 15:33:04 -0500
    From: Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  John Brown
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    And lets not forget John Brown as "Broadway" on "The Damon Runyon Theatre" in
    the late 1940's!        Bob Slate

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