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                           The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                             Volume 2001 : Issue 387
                        A Part of the [removed]!
                                ISSN: 1533-9289


                                Today's Topics:

 dragnet lost episodes list.           [ That Guy in LynnwOOd <thatguy77@yah ]
 Re: Fibber's Christmas                [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
 Amos & Andy Guest Appearances         [ Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed]; ]
 SUSPENSE WITH HOWARD CULVER           [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
 FAVORITE RADIO ACTORS                 [ TIZ EYE!! <cien@[removed]; ]
 Re: More Big Jon and Sparkie          [ "Jan Bach" <janbach@[removed]; ]
 Re: Printing labels                   [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
 Christmas shows                       [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
 Re: MP3 players                       [ Ga6string@[removed] ]
 #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]
 CHRISTMAS SHOWS                       [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
 Christmas shows                       [ "Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@worldnet. ]
 Favorite OTR Actors/Actresses         [ badaxley@[removed] ]
 Teddy Roosevelt, etc.                 [ Tom van der Voort <evan@[removed]; ]
 Favorite Radio Actors/ress            [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
 MyCat OTR database.                   [ Althofft@[removed] ]

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 17:51:11 -0500
From: That Guy in LynnwOOd <thatguy77@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: dragnet lost episodes list.

I had a list, but I lost it.

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:23:12 -0500
From: Grbmd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Fibber's Christmas

In a message dated 12/4/01 5:04:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, Scott writes:

 I usually start out with Fibber McGee and Molly's
 12/23/47 Christmas show when McGee has lost his key ring.
.............................
 I love the
 ending when Molly (as Teeny) does the annual "Twas The Night Before
 Christmas" musical with Billy Mills and The Kingsmen.
..................
 Was this ever released as a record?


When I was a kid I had a 78-rpm album -- probably four records -- of Fibber's
Christmas show that ended with Molly's "Night [removed]" musical story.  I
can't remember the plot of the show that preceded that ending, but I think it
had Fibber telling a story, maybe a fable, to Teeny.  It might have involved
a tailor (?) who lost something or couldn't find something, but I wouldn't
bet the farm on it.  Does this show or this album ring a bell with anyone
else on the Digest?

Spence

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:23:52 -0500
From: Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Amos & Andy Guest Appearances

Joe Salerno wonders:

Do I recall a list of appearances that Amos & Andy made on other shows that
might have been posted here once?

Funny you should mention this, Joe. The First Generation Radio Archives has
just issued our CD Round Robin #17, containing many rare and unusual "Amos
'n' Andy" broadcasts - some complete, some excerpted - that were originally
transferred from disks many years ago at the request of Charles Correll and
are now made available to our members and volunteers.

Specifically:

Two extremely early episodes from the first series, originally distributed
via syndication on 78 RPM disks. Since each individual station performed
the music and introductions for these programs live, these recordings
contain only the content of the shows themselves, performed solely by
Gosden and Correll. Each episode runs approximately eight minutes.

Amos 'n' Andy  Tuesday, July 2, 1929
Amos 'n' Andy  Friday, July 5, 1929

Next, a very unusual recording: A never-broadcast tribute to Gosden and
Correll, recorded by their friends on the eve of their change to the CBS
radio network, in celebration of their many years on NBC. This 12-minute
program was presented as a parody of the long-running "March of Time" program.

Amos 'n' Andy   Friday, March 31, 1939 March Of Time Gag Show NBC

Here's something "new" in old time radio: an uncirculated Christmas Eve
episode from 1942. The commercials were removed from the original transfer
of this CBS broadcast at the request of Mr. Correll, so the running time is
just under 14 minutes:

Amos 'n' Andy  Thursday, December 24, 1942 Christmas Eve Show

And yet another rarity: "The Mystic Knights of the Sea Friday Night
Minstrel Show," a short-lived attempt by NBC to broaden the horizons of
"Amos 'n' Andy" and bring them into a semi-variety format. Only two of
these programs are known to exist and here's one of them, sponsored by
Pepsodent and benefiting the Harlem Community Fund.

The Mystic Knights of the Sea Friday Night Minstrel Show  November 4, 1936
(#901) (15:30) NBC - broadcast 10:15 to 10:30 PM

When Mr. Correll had his disk collection transferred, he was interested
only the segments featuring himself and Mr. Godsen. Thus, we have only
excerpts from various programs that featured "Amos 'n' Andy" guest
appearances, most of which we have included in this set. We've also added
one episode from their 1943 series that - alas - seems only to exist in a
partial form, possibly due to the wartime use of glass-based disks.

Amos 'n' Andy  Friday, October 29, 1943
"Chair" (Part 2 only) with guest Franklin  Pangborn - NBC

The Bob Hope Show, with guest host Eddie Cantor
Tuesday, November 18, 1947  Excerpt (3:59) NBC

Command Performance, recorded Thursday, November 23, 1944 Excerpt (12:30)
Armed Forces Radio Service, never broadcast commercially

Front And Center  Sunday, September 21, 1947 Excerpt (11:41) NBC
Uncirculated - a summer replacement show for Fred Allen, sponsored by
Tenderleaf Tea

(Go to the Archives home page at [removed] and follow
the links to the CD Libraries page to view the complete Round Robin
listings, including other "Amos 'n' Andy" programs taken from Mr. Correll's
disks.)

Speaking of rarity, here's some exciting news for fans of the residents of
the Small House Half-Way Up in the Next Block: Round Robin #17 also
contains an uncirculated episode of "Vic and Sade" starring Art Van Harvey
and Bernadine Flynn, taken from an original
16" NBC Orthacoustic disk, complete with Crisco commercials.

Vic And Sade February 16, 1941 Homer U. McDancy (#3449) (15:00) NBC

It's never been easier - or more affordable - to hear these and many other
classic radio shows from the Archives collection - most transferred from
original 16" disks and digitally restored for outstanding sound quality.
Our libraries offer over 1000 CDs, available for loan at the low price of
only $[removed] each. And our Round Robin CD collections - seventeen of them so
far, each containing at least 20 hours of great sounding classic radio
entertainment - are offered at the same low rental price: 20 CDs for only
$[removed]

If you're looking for the perfect Christmas gift for yourself or your
favorite OTR enthusiast, an Archives membership is the perfect choice: for
only $[removed], you gain access to thousands of old time radio shows on audio
compact discs - and, when you join, we even send you coupons good for eight
free rentals from our libraries - an $[removed] value.

If you'd like a free subscription to our monthly e-mail newsletter,
announcing new shows and new Round Robin collections as they are released
and also regularly offering a variety of original transcription disks for
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right away.

Happy Holidays!

Harlan

Harlan Zinck, Preservation Manager
First Generation Radio Archives
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 18:39:37 -0500
From: PURKASZ@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: SUSPENSE WITH HOWARD CULVER

   I seem to have found an incomplete episode of Suspense called "The
Search" and a log I looked up says Howard Culver is in it.
   Is this the same man whose widow writes in to this publication from time
to time?
   I believe she also hosts an on-line chat as well.
   If so, could I presume upon her kindness to inquire whether or not the
entire episode of that show is available?
   I would ask anybody who may know also.
   This seems a fine way to complete this episode if possible.
   Many thanks from one radio maniac to many others!!
                <A HREF="[removed],+Michael+C.">Michael
C. Gwynne</A>

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:45:30 -0500
From: TIZ EYE!! <cien@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: FAVORITE RADIO ACTORS

since we are on the subject of favorite radio actors how about
elliott lewis
cathy lewis
jeanette nolan
and the best, without a doubt, first person narrator in radio
frank lovejoy

--
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:39:02 -0500
From: "Jan Bach" <janbach@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: More Big Jon and Sparkie

Hello again --
Ted Kneebone recently conjectured:
I suppose that Sparkie was Big Jon's voice recorded at one speed, then
played
back at a slightly higher speed?  Wonder if the whole program was taped or
only Sparkie's [removed]

My experience recording this program off the air on an early tape recorder,
c. 1953, was that Big Jon supplied the voice of Sparkie but recorded at HALF
the speed it would be played over the air. Remember that most open reel tape
recorders throughout the fifties, sixties and seventies were capable of
playing 3 3/4, 7 1/2, and/or 15 ips -- each a speed double that of the
previous speed. Big Jon was lucky enough to have a fairly low speaking voice
which, when speeded up, at least didn't take Sparkie's voice up to the
stratosphere! It must have taken infinite patience for Jon and a lot of
dramatic ability to slow his speech down to such a crawl and still preserve
the kinds of vocal inflections needed for Sparkie to ask a question, state a
fact, reply to a question Big Jon had asked, etc.
Perhaps the whole program was taped as on-air checks, but it certainly had a
live presence when broadcast, and there were so many occasions when Big Jon
would have to wait three or four seconds after speaking for a reply from
Sparkie, or Sparkie would interrupt Big Jon before he had finished HIS
statement, that I have no doubt but that while recording "Sparkie's voice"
Big Jon tried to estimate the amount of silence he needed to leave between
Sparkie's utterances to accommodate where his own voice would be inserted,
and he didn't always estimate correctly!  [I often wondered where Big Jon
got the very latest children's records for his show -- were they sent as
promos from the record company marketing people, or did Big Jon haunt the
children's section of the record stores?]
Anyway, Alvin and the other Chipmunks' recordings were done with the same
technique, and I was surprised that they became so popular --- because by
the time of their success Sparkie had been on the air for many years already
and his voice was "old news" to me.

Jan Bach

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:39:27 -0500
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Printing labels

As long as we are talking about database for cataloging, what about printing.

I wrote a basic program that will print dot matrix labels (pin feed).
However, I've rather use a laser printer and was wondering if there is
anything out there that will let you put all the information into some kind
of database and then just enter the tape numbers and it prints out the labels.

The program I wrote does exactly that, but I can't figure out a way to
modify it for a laser printer.

The way my program works it to store all the information into DATA
statements. One of the statements is the label number. Then when you run
the program, you just enter a number and it prints the label. You can
specify which sides and how many labels.

It is a neat little program, but it only works in basic and with pin feed
labels. It would be handy to find a similar program that printed laser labels.

Right now we are using a Word Processor, but that requires a few more steps.

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 21:39:37 -0500
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Christmas shows

The first time that Fibber McGee and Molley had the Was The Night Before
Christmas show was in 1942.  I have not been able to find a copy of this one
and yes the song was put on record.  I believe the one hour Screen Director
playhouse of Miracle on 34th Street is my favorite variation of this show.
My top two Christmas shows are 1 the Great Gildersleives show of 12-22-48
where the Baby is given back to her father.  2. the Doris Day show of
12-23-53, Doris does a grate job on Silent Night.  I also love the Lux Radio
Theater of It,s A Wonderful Life of 3-10-47.  I had Karolyn Grimes on the
YUSA earlier and she has many wonderful memories about the movie, and it is
amazing how that movie has help her survive personal losts.  Marry
Christmas,

Walden   .

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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 23:49:28 -0500
From: Ga6string@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: MP3 players

As y'all probably know, I've been a regular pest asking questions about MP3
players. Just wanted to let you know that I finally took the plunge,
purchasing a Rio Volt Jr, also known as the SP90, and the Phillips Expanium
boom box that someone mentioned recently.

Both of them have played every OTR MP3 CD that I've tried in them. The Rio
Volt is more versatile, with the ID tags and line out, while the Phillips
leaves you guessing as to the program name.

As for the Rio [removed] it's the low-end model but seems to work great.
Several of you have mentioned the upgrade/update from the Web site. What does
it enable you to do that you couldn't do w/o the upgrade? Mine seems to play
fine (BTW, it reads "Version [removed]" when you turn it on).

As for the Phillips, there are a couple of things about it that seem really
silly. First of all, I don't think it has a headphone jack, or line out (wow!
how much could that have cost them?), and then there are the limitations of
the display, and the sound doesn't seem to be as good I'd have hoped. I got
the model with the remote, which is actually VERY useful, given the toggle
switch which the box offers to search for programs.

Thanks to everyone who gave me input, on and off list.

Next on my list: A DVD player that will play MP3 CDs, one that I can make
part of my stereo system. Any suggestions?

Thanks again,
Bryan

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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 04:52:01 -0500
From: lois@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

A weekly [removed]

For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
over four years, same time, same channel!

Our numerous "regulars" include one of the busiest "golden years" actors in
Hollywood; a sound man from the same era who worked many of the top
Hollywood shows; a New York actor famed for his roles in "Let's Pretend" and
"Archie Andrews;" owners of some of the best OTR sites on the Web;
maintainer of the best-known OTR Digest (we all know who he is)..........

and Me

Lois Culver
KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
and widow of actor Howard Culver

(For more info, contact lois@[removed])

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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 10:26:30 -0500
From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: CHRISTMAS SHOWS

In regard to Scott's thoughts on the top Christmas Shows from OTR --  I don't
think any list of (5) would do the topic justice.  You might argue that for
pure sentamentality, the annual AMOS AND AND show was the best.  But then you
could say that Lionel Barrymore in the full-length "A Christmas Carol" was
the most outstanding.  There are at least 3 other entries for that dramatic
work, one of which
Michael Biel poointed out to us in his recent comment. He is sending that one
to me. He also commented about the Crosby/Welles "Prince" - The LUM AND ABNER
Christmas Special had something no other show had.  THE GREAT GILDERSLEEVE
"Why The Chines Rang" was a winner!  Christmas shows with
BENNY, ALLEN, BURNS & ALLEN, SKELTON, OUR MISS BROOKS and so many, others
were SO personal - it seemed that they were being done just for you!! Don't
forget to listen to "Miracle in Manhattan" from DUFFY'S TAVERN too !
If anyone's interested in Christmas collections, Heritage Radio has a MP3CD
with 51 OTR Christmas shows.
Write offline.   Still no shoveling here in New England.  Hard to get in the
"spirit"
of things until some white stuff comes down.
Tom Heathwood   - Heritage Radio  --  Heritage4@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:07:55 -0500
From: "Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Christmas shows

Scott Eberbach wondered if Fibber McGee and Molly's 'Twas the Night Before
Christmas" was ever released on commercial disc and the answer is, "yes."

I have a copy of the albulm (I believe there are 3 10" 78's) put out on the
Capitol label.

Brian

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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 11:08:04 -0500
From: badaxley@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Favorite OTR Actors/Actresses

I guess my favorite OTR Actors/Actresses are the
supporting actors such as Harry Bartell, Parley Baer,
Lurene Tuttle, Bea Benedarit, etc.  They are so
versatile and play so many different type roles from
drama to comedy.
Bob Axley

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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:04:55 -0500
From: Tom van der Voort <evan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Teddy Roosevelt, etc.

     Just came across a program featuring Teddy Roosevelt, western artist
Frederic Remington, and Butch Cassidy  with his Hole in the Wall Gang
(sorry, no Sundance Kid!).
     Does anyone know what broadcast included this famous trio?  Extra
points if you give the date  :-).
Tom van der Voort

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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 12:04:42 -0500
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Favorite Radio Actors/ress

Let's see; Harry Bartell, Virginia Gregg, Janet Waldo,
Parley Baer, Larry Dobkin, Anne Whitfield, Rhoda
Williams, Agnes Moorehead, James Stewart, Cary Grant,
Eddie Marr, Norma Jean Nielson, Lurene Tuttle, Howard
Duff, Herb Ellis, Dick, Beals, John Dehner, Ben
Wright, Ralph Bell, Will Wright, Vivi Janiss, Bryna
Rayburn, Amzie Strickland, Tommy Cook, Bill Johnston,
John Archer, Willard Waterman, Harold Peary, Jim
Jordon, Marion Jordon, Gale [removed] oh this is
silly.
If the performance is good than the performer becomes
a favorite. Larry Albert

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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2001 13:07:25 -0500
From: Althofft@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: MyCat OTR database.

Some background on MY-CAT (as best as i can recall)...

It was written on a 20MHZ 386 as a DOS [removed] application.   I don't think the
source code has survived. When I wrote Dick Judge's Memories of Radio
Catalog on Disk (MORCAT)  I took its engine (an ISAM based db called C
Database Toolchest) and wrote a quick way to add shows to your own
collection.  I have a friend that still uses it.

Two of its biggest shortcomings are the non-standard database format and very
limited printing ability.  It is darn fast though.  It was written for fast
performance on a 25Mhz 486 so you can imagine what it does on today's [removed]
Pentiums.

There is also a bug in the installation program that sees some of today's GB
hard drives as minus XXXXX mb in size.  The installation program looks to see
if there is  more disk space available.  Huge drives return a negative size
to some of the old DOS programs.  The -xxxxxx bytes (less than zero)
available causes the installation to fail.   If this happens, It can be
installed onto a floppy disk and then the entire floppy copied over to a
folder on the hard drive.

If I were to start a database today, I'd be inclined to go with a more
standard format (dbase, MS Access) so that whatever info I typed in could be
sent to others to trade.  Of course, you can send MyCat to anyone as it is
public domain so if you wanted to you could .zip up your MyCat folder and
e-mail it to someone else to look at and not be bothered with
importing/exporting data.

MORCAT evolved into MORWIN, a windows based program.  Sadly, I have not
attempted to make a personal version to track your own collection along the
lines of MyCat.  Maybe [removed]

Tom Althoff
[removed] Box 1259
Greenwood Lake, NY 10925

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