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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2005 : Issue 279
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
FREBERG AND KAISER [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
Radio Classics XM-164 -- Also The Go [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
Mantan Moreland and Ben Carter [ "Bob Kidera" <rkidera1@[removed] ]
Re: Lucky Strike Green [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
Re: NBC Chimes [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
Memorization [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
Red vs Blue NBC Chimes [ Michael Shoshani <mshoshani@sbcglob ]
World War II [ "Mike Hobart" <zines50@[removed]; ]
9-13 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Ed Carr [ "Neil Scott" <scotty@[removed] ]
A Few Words On "Flashgun Casey" [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
re: Get Fuzzy [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:06:05 -0400
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: FREBERG AND KAISER
Can't find the date, think around '60, Kaiser Foil put out a 'for station
use only' Stan Freberg's 10 inch LP called, "Here It Is, Just What You've
Always Wanted, Your Very Own Soap Opera." Will be happy to transfer to
CD, but can't handle the handling & shipping. If you would like a copy,
send $[removed], along with a self-addressed label to, Sandy Singer -- 120 E.
Swan St. #213 -- Centerville, TN 37033
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Sandy
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:10:48 -0400
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Radio Classics XM-164 -- Also The Gold Coast
Show
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Hi Gang -
I spent the last few weeks at my "winter home" in Alma, Arkansas. Since most of my
OTR collection is in Streamwood, Illinois, I had to resort to my XM radio to get my
daily infusion of Old Time Radio.
I "discovered" the RADIO CLASSICS channel on XM-164. (Actually, I knew it was
there, but didn't listen regularly until now). This channel runs OTR 24 hours a day.
in Good Sound, and they even publish a schedule of sorts at _[removed]_ ([removed])
The host of the show, Greg Bell (I don't know him), announces each program and gives
a little "story" regarding the show, stars, writers, etc. The schedule appears to run in
Eight Hour blocks all week, and is adjusted so that if you tune in at the same time every
day, you can listen for a few hours and never hear a repeat.
I"ve been listening almost every night between 9 PM and Midnight (central time) and
the surprising thing is that I'm hearing "new" programs. Either that or my memory is
becoming so poor that I don't remember hearing them before. For example, I thought
I heard all the X Minus One episodes, but last week I heard two "new" ones. Same
goes for Quiet Please and Have Gun, Will Travel.
If you have an XM radio, and if you're tired of the every day routine, you might check
out channel 164 at any time of day.
[removed] I have no connection whatever with XM nor Radio Classics.
On a completely different note:
I used to listed to "The Gold Coast Show" on WBBM. Unfortunately, I didn't record
any of them. If my faulty memory is correct, the program was on TWICE A DAY;
once in the morning, and again in the afternoon. I believe they were DIFFERENT
programs. However, if the afternoon was a repeat, that would imply that the morning
program could have been recorded and played back. Maybe some programs do exist.
See 'yall in Newark ('yall is the way they talk in Arkansas)
Ken Piletic - Streamwood Illinois & Alma, Arkansas
_kenpiletic@[removed]_ (mailto:kenpiletic@[removed])
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:36:01 -0400
From: "Bob Kidera" <rkidera1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Mantan Moreland and Ben Carter
I remember Mantan Moreland in the Charlie Chan movies
doing a routing with another actor (was it Willie Best),
Ray,
I believe Mantan's partner in those comedy exchanges was Ben Carter, not
Willie Best. Carter was Moreland's former vaudeville partner, and that
routine of interrupted conversation was an act they did for years as "Carter
and Moreland". Carter appeared in a couple of the Chan films and I agree,
the routines are hilarious. Ben died in 1946, shortly after appearing in
one of the Chans. He was only in his mid-30s.
Bob Kidera
Rochester, NY
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:08:03 -0400
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Lucky Strike Green
Pardon my use of sarcasm here, but Bill H has proved himself to be to be
very gullible to the lies told by cigarette manufacturers when he repeated
their propaganda "Lucky Strike had to eliminate green from their cartons
because chromium, an ingredient necessary to make green paint, was in short
supply as it was needed for the war effort." The truth was that chromium
was not in short supply and that the company had already been planning to
change to the brighter white package to make the package more attractive to
women, as well as save the money on the expensive ink and the extra press
run that it necessitated. So by using that fake patriotic slogan they were
able to kill two birds -- and several million women -- with one stone.
Shows how effective their advertising was -- it is STILL providing "good
will" over sixty years later!!
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:16:00 -0400
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: NBC Chimes
The problem with the NBC memo that Bill H. uses to demonstrate that the
chimes for Red and Blue were the same, is that Michael Shoshani and I was
discussing the era around 1929-1931 and this memo was from 1939, ten years
later.
We know that they didn't have different chimes for the two networks in the
years after 1931, it's before 1931 that is still unclear. Unfortunately
none of the memos and contemporary articles that have been found address
the pre-1932 era on the basis of describing it as what is happening NOW.
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:17:21 -0400
From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Memorization
I have to ask this question of Rick, just how easy do
you think it is to memorize a half hour to an hour script when the actor
has only had the play for probably less then a full 24 hours?
My point is _really_ simple. I was just pointing out
that radio actors were just as capable of memorization
as those on early live TV- ones who didn't have the
option of holding a script in their hand while
performing their parts.
Reading between the lines of some posts on this
subject, I've gotten the impression that some people
think radio actors _couldn't_ memorize lines. I was
saying that they _could_ have. That's a whole
different subject than not doing so because of a lack
of time.
On top of that, let's not forget that one post seemed
to suggest that _I_ thought a radio actor with script
in hand wasn't _really_ acting. In fact, I was stating
that (to me) a particular actor (Vincent Price) did
not sound like he was reading (contrary to what
another poster had taken away from Mr. Price's
performances). In fact, I pointed out that when I
listen to just about any radio show, I hear the
_characters_ talking to one another, and I "see" the
events being described. I don't hear someone obviously
_reading_ a script, and I don't "see" actors standing
around microphones.
My statement, quoted above, was just reinforcing my
emphasis that these men and women were _actors_
(again, I've emphasized the word), not some random
people brought in off the street and told to "just
read this." Just because they were radio actors, who
held scripts in their hand, did not mean they _needed_
to do so because they would never in a million years
have been able to memorize all those words, under any
circumstances.
It should go without saying, but I find myself having
to say it anyway: if the people involved with early
radio had decided the actors would memorize lines
instead of holding scripts in hand, then the time
period between the actors' receipt of their scripts to
when they went live before the mike would be different
than the way it was with actors holding scripts in
hand.
At no point did I say a radio actor would or should
have been _required_ to memorize his or her lines. I
said they _could_ have done so, _if_ radio (or a
particular show) had been produced differently than it
was.
[removed], actually, I didn't _say_ the "if radio had been
produced differently" part, but I would have thought
that anyone who took a moment to _think_ about what I
wrote would have understood that unstated caveat.
Is that _clear_ now?
Rick
Yahoo! for Good
Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
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Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:21:36 -0400
From: Michael Shoshani <mshoshani@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Red vs Blue NBC Chimes
Bill Harris quoted his own web page::
[removed] Fairbanks in an Interdepartment Correspondence to Mr. Keith Kiggins
suggested that the chimes on the Blue Network be different from the Red
Network chimes. "Specifically, I would like to see some serious
consideration given to a change in Blue Network chimes that would
unquestionably identify the programs being carried over this network."
He suggested adding 4, 5, or 6 carefully selected notes to the present
three-note chime so the well known NBC musical trade mark would be
retained but would give the Blue a unique label.
Evidently Fairbanks idea was never adopted and the chimes remained the
same for both networks.
Fairbanks' memo was written July 21, 1939. Almost a year later, on
July 3, 1940, one Edgar Kobak sent the same Keith Kiggins a memo
asking "Let's see what we can do about developing a separate set of
chimes for the Blue." While allowing the Red to keep the three-note
chimes, Kobak suggested that "we can develop our own chimes using the
three notes now being used, and put on an extra one that means Blue."
Just what NBC needed: Yet Another Fourth Chime.
There is also a wry note at the end of a memo dated January 29, 1942,
which was after RCA spun the Blue Network Co. off as its own network
under RCA ownership, but before the Blue Network was sold. This memo
from Roy Witmer to Frank Mullen blasts a suggestion by an affiliate
that the NBC Chimes be modified to make them sound the Morse Code "V
for Victory", then asks "Incidentally, how much are we charging the
Blue Network Co for the use of NBC chimes? It seems as though we ought
to get a little revenue out of a thing of this kind."
Michael Shoshani
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:58:08 -0400
From: "Mike Hobart" <zines50@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: World War II
Recent posts discussed shortages and taxes that happened during the war.
Things could have been worse: during the war, the Australian government
simply banned the importing of American comics and popular magazines as a
non-essential luxury. This was good news for local comic-strip artists
but caused a lot of heartburn amongst science fiction fans who were cut off
from their monthly fix of "Astounding Stories" etc.
Fortunately most radio series from America were done as "cover" versions
locally.
But there is a great anecdote about a local scriptwriter who was charged
with writing the Australian version of a long-running American serial. We
were a few years behind with the show, so the war was over when they got
round to the scripts dealing with those years -- so the producers decided
to simply skip the whole war!
As you can imagine,it took some ingenuity on the part of the scriptwriter to
explain the changes to the cast that had happened in those years.
Or at least that's the story as I heard it.
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:59:32 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 9-13 births/deaths
September 13th births
09-13-1871 - Alma Kruger - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 4-5-1960
actress: Emily Mayfield "Those We Love"
09-13-1876 - Sherwood Anderson - Camden, OH - d. 3-8-1941
writer: "The Free Company"
09-13-1880 - Jesse L. Lasky - San Francisco, CA - d. 1-13-1958
film producer, host: "Gateway to Hollywood"
09-13-1883 - Lewis E. Lawes - Elmira, NY - d. 4-23-1947
commentator: "Twenty Thousand Years in Sing Sing"
09-13-1894 - J. B. Priestly - Bradford, Yorkshire, England - d. 8-14-1984
dramatist: "London After Dark"; "Studio One"; "NBC University Theatre"
09-13-1895 - Ruth McDevitt - Coldwater, MI - d. 5-27-1976
actress: Jane Channing "This Life is Mine"; Mother "Keeping Up with Rosemary"
09-13-1896 - Laidman Browne - Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England - d. 9-11-1961
actor: Sherlock Holmes "Corner in Crime"
09-13-1900 - Gladys George - Patton, ME - d. 12-8-1954
actress: "Lincoln Highway"
09-13-1903 - Claudette Colbert - Paris, France - d. 7-30-1996
actress: "Cresta Blanca Hollywood Players"; "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Millions
for Defense"
09-13-1903 - Ken Trietsch - Arcadia, IN - d. 9-17-1987
musician-singer: "National Barn Dance"; "Uncle Ezra"
09-13-1908 - Mae Questel - The Bronx, NY - d. 1-4-1998
actress: Betty Boop "Betty Boop Fables"; Olive Oyl "Popeye the Sailor"
09-13-1909 - Leith Stevens - Mount Moriah, MO - d. 7-23-1970
conductor: "Death Valley Days"; "Molle Merry Minstrels"
09-13-1911 - Bill Monroe - Rosine, KY - d. 9-9-1996
mandolin player: (Father of Bluegrass) "Rider's Radio Theatre"
09-13-1913 - Roy Engel - Missouri - d. 12-29-1980
actor:Schuyler 'Sky' King "Sky King" "NBC University Theatre"
09-13-1914 - Leonard Feather - London, England - d. 9-22-1994
composer: "Esquire Jazz Concert"; "Mildred Bailey Show"; "One Night Stand'
09-13-1916 - Roald Dahl - Llandaff, Wales - d. 11-23-1990
writer: "Escape"
09-13-1918 - Dick Haymes - Buenos Aires, Argentina - d. 3-28-1980
singer, actor: Dick Haymes Show"; "Tommy Dorsey Show"; Crane Dockery "I Fly
Anything"
09-13-1918 - Ernie Winstanley - England (Raised: Canada) - d. 5-27-1992
actor, sound effects: Scrub Troy "Secretary Hawkins' Fair and Supper Club";
"The Lone Ranger"
09-13-1918 - Ray Charles - Chicago, IL
choral director: (The Other Ray Charles) "The Big Show"; "Radio Hall of Fame"
09-13-1920 - Carole Mathews - Montgomery, IL
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
09-13-1924 - Scott Brady - Brooklyn, NY - d. 4-16-1985
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
09-13-1925 - Mel Torme - Chicago, IL- d. 6-5-1999
actor, singer: Joe Corntassel "Little Orphan Annie"; "Torme Time"; "New Mel
Torme Show"
September 13th deaths
02-08-1913 - Betty Field - Boston, MA - d. 9-13-1973
actress: Mary Aldrich "Aldrich Family"
04-18-1882 - Leopold Stokowski - London, England - d. 9-13-1977
conductor: "NBC Symphony/Symphony of the Air"
06-14-1918 - Dorothy McGuire - Omaha, NE - d. 9-13-2001
actress: Sue Evans Miller "Big Sister"; "Joyce Jordan, [removed]"
08-31-1907 - Winifred Cecil - Staten Island, NY - d. 9-13-1985
singer: "Show Boat"
10-15-1879 - Sara Allgood - Dublin, Ireland - d. 9-13-1950
actress: "Radio Guild"; "Family Theatre"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
10-15-1900 - Mervyn LeRoy - San Francisco,CA - d. 9-13-1987
film director: Intermission Guest "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Songs By Sinatra"
10-22-1884 - George Washington Hill - Philadelphia, PA - d. 9-13-1946
President of American Tobacco Company, sponsor of many radio programs
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:24:02 -0400
From: "Neil Scott" <scotty@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Ed Carr
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He is very much alive and kicking. His current address is:-
216,Shaner Street,
Boyertown. PA 19512.
If you need his number,let me know.
Kind regards,
Neil
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:10:38 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: A Few Words On "Flashgun Casey"
I'm not an enthusiast of most detective-type shows, but I've always
enjoyed "Casey -- Crime Photographer," for its light approach, its
journalistic theme, and, of course, the bits of jazz which season the
Cafe scenes. So I was very pleased to get a look at the new book
"Flashgun Casey: Crime Photographer," by J. Randolph Cox and David S.
Siegel.
It's a all-encompassing guide to the development of the character of
Casey, from pulp magazines to novels, to radio, to movies, to television,
to comic books, and the stage, and takes the time and space to really
give you the flavor of each incarnation. There's a complete Casey short
story from the pages of "Black Mask" magazine, along with two previously
unpublished radio scripts. The research is impeccable, the writing flows
along nicely, and the text is amply illustrated by a selection of
meticulously-restored photos, brought back to life from very deteriorated
originals by Amanda Osborne.
I should mention, in the interests of full disclosure, that Dave Siegel
and Amanda Osborne are personal friends of mine -- but the book doesn't
need the advantage of friendship to earn a solid recommendation.
Elizabeth
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Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:36:55 -0400
From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: re: Get Fuzzy
The URL for the online "Get Fuzzy" Abbott & Costello reference was cut
off. Here's a shorter version: go to [removed] ,
click on "Get Fuzzy," and hit the "previous" button until you get to
Monday's strip.
Kermyt
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