Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #74
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 2/17/2003 12:27 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 74
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      The Power of Radio                    [ "Nancy McAleer"<littlenancy@emailch ]
      the OTR time machine                  [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      YTJD Kranesburg Matter                [ "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@neb. ]
      You Bet Your Life                     [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      Tom Corbett                           [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      Restaurants                           [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Encyclopedia of Radio, Continued      [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Louis L'Amour Theater                 [ ddunfee@[removed] ]
      Subject: Dec. 8th 1941, site tip      [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      2-17 Birthdays                        [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Tom Corbett                           [ jsexton <jsexton@[removed]; ]
      KFI Building                          [ "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed]; ]
      Encyclopedia of Radio                 [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
      Gildersleeve                          [ "Don Frey" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
      Re: TVs Tom Corbett, Space Cadet      [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      otr get togetherings                  [ "Don Belden" <[removed]@[removed]; ]
      Re: WKAT                              [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
      "Road Show"                           [ ABCDiehl@[removed] ]
      Re: Gunsmoke                          [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
      Godfrey Phorum                        [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      The good old days?                    [ "Scott D. Livingston" <sdl@[removed] ]

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 01:01:13 -0500
    From: "Nancy McAleer"<littlenancy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Power of Radio

    The power of radio.  Even if it is fifty years old.

    Sort of along the lines of the panic that was
    started when "War of the Worlds" scared the
    good people of 1938, I'd like to relate a similar
    story.

    I was going through the programs list on
    Pappaws Old Time Radio vault ([removed])
    and  listening to an episode of the "Dimension X"
    series which he has available for listening or
    download.  ("Destination Moon"  --  June 24, 1950)

    About 20 minutes into the program (1950,remember)
    the network broke in for two news bulletins.  It
    seems that North Korea just declared war on South
    Korea.

    Even mentioned that it was Sunday, just as today,
    53 years later, is a Sunday.

    I have to admit, it surprised me, and it took a
    moment to realize that I was listening to a recording.

    I kind of chuckled to myself at my naivety.  Imagine
    my surprise when I looked up a moment later to see
    my son-in-law walk in and ask about what the heck
    he had just heard.  To his ears, upstairs, he thought
    he had heard a current news bulletin.

    Ah yes, the power of radio.

    Regards,
    Nancy McAleer

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 01:08:29 -0500
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  the OTR time machine

    Since I already know what some of you would bring back, I'll go after some
    that haven't been mentioned: MR. CHAMELEON, CRIME FILES OF FLAMOND, Carlton
    E. Morse's FAMILY SKELETON, the entire run of AMERICAN AGENT, and as many
    BEULAH and BABY SNOOKS shows that I can carry. Before I return though, I'll
    spend some time at Brittingham's getting to know some of the people I didn't
    get a chance to meet before they passed on. I'll hope that I'll have
    something to trade for that Latitude Zero serial when I get back. What the
    [removed]'s add some HERMIT'S CAVE and WITCHES TALE programs, too.

    Barbara

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 01:53:22 -0500
    From: "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@[removed];
    To: "old time radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  YTJD Kranesburg Matter

    Hello all:
    Rodney asked:

>     Does this mean that there is a complete version of The Kranesburg Matter?
>      My copy only has 6 of the 7 parts.

    The answer is that there *are* only six parts to The Kranesburg Matter.  I
    have no idea where people got the idea that this episode featured seven
    parts, because the story is completely intact in only six.  It comes right
    after The Crystal Lake Matter and the announcer speaks at the end of the
    program, saying that Johnny will be gone the following Monday through
    Thursday in light of the Republican convention, but he'll be back on Friday
    night.  The following Friday evening featured part one of Kranesburg,
    followed the next week by the remaining chapters (2-6.)  So yes, the
    six-part episode is the complete one.
    ryanO

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:16:25 -0500
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  You Bet Your Life

    I've just been reading "Say Goodnight, Gracie," by Jim Cox, which is not about Burns &
    Allen, but about the last years of network radio.  In it, he mentions that the radio version of
    "You Bet Your Life" was cancelled in 1956.  I distinctly remember hearing YBYL on the radio
    after 1956, and I have a record of two radio episodes which are labelled at 1958 and have the
    game format which was used in 1958.

    What I think happened is that 1956 was when You Bet Your Life became a feature on NBC's
    "Monitor."  I remember the show moving from its Wednesday night time slot to Saturday
    afternoon in 1956, as part of Monitor.  At one point, Monitor was extended to weeknights,
    and I remember YBYL being on Monday evenings, again as part of Monitor.

    This is consistent with the 1958 episodes which I have on a record.  The radio version always
    began with George Fenniman saying, "Ladies and Gentlemen, the secret word is ..."
    Groucho would say, "Really?!" and George would reply, "You Bet Your Life."  This opening
    was omitted from the television show, where the secret word would be communicated to the
    audience by the duck holding a sign.

    When You Bet Your Life became part of Monitor, the transition involved the Monitor host
    saying, "Hey George, you tell us.  What's the secret word?"  This would be followed by
    George Fenniman's usual opening.  And that's the way the show opens in the 1958 episodes
    that I have on a record.

    I don't know whether You Bet Your Life on radio continued until the end of its TV run in 1961,
    but I know it didn't end in 1956.

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:16:58 -0500
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Tom Corbett

>     Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:28:27 -0500
>     From: "david rogers" <david_rogers@[removed];

>     I have been trying to sort out my sci fi stuff and I have been having a
>     bit of trouble with my Tom Corbett, Space Cadet programmes. I keep finding
>     different catalogues with different show listings so I am finding it hard
>     to put everything in its correct order. I was reading that it was a TV and
>     a radio show. Therefore, I am wondering if a lot of the mp3 files that I
>     have are actually taken from TV shows rather than the radio. Any help?

    Tom Corbett was both a radio at TV program.  The radio program aired on
    Tuesdays and
    Thursdays on ABC for a half hour each, and each story was begun on a Tuesday
    and
    concluded on Thursday.  The TV program had a number of formats, both
    15-minute and half-
    hour, and at one time or another managed to appear on all four TV networks of
    the time.  The
    15-minute shows are serialized, the 1/2 hour shows are usually one
    self-contained story per
    episode.  The radio shows can also be recognized by the fact that all of the
    theme and
    background music is played by the studio organ.  Some of the TV shows use a
    studio organ,
    but usually only in the closing theme music.

    For more information, check out [removed] .

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:17:20 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Restaurants

    Deric M asks,

>     Does anybody out there know of any restaurants or coffee shops that
>     feature Old time radio as part of their theme?

    Well, there's a restaurant in western Tampa called Demitris that has a
    number of Old-Time radios as part of their decor.  Scattered throughout
    the restaurant are close to a dozen table-model tube radios.  They are on
    shelves well above where customers could reach them, and I've never seen
    any of them turned on, so I don't know whether they work.  Most of them
    antedate the Conelrad period.  A couple have nice wooden cabinets.

    That's as close as I've seen.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:17:44 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Encyclopedia of Radio, Continued

    Elizabeth McLeod, speaking of the forthcoming Encyclopedia of Radio,
    notes,

>     I wrote three articles for this volume --<snip> I believe a few others
>     on the list are also involved with the project -- I'd be interested in
>     knowing who else wrote what!

    Well, I plead guilty to writing a short article on -- surprise! --
    Captain Midnight.  Naturally, much of this indirectly derived from the
    research for my book.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:17:51 -0500
    From: ddunfee@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Louis L'Amour Theater

    I hear this as a once a month feature on the Imagination Theater show.  I'm
    just wondering what people think of it.  One thing I have noticed is there
    is much more narration then might be the case in other radio productions.
    Where a character might have lines to set a context or venue, a narrater
    does it, which probably shows it's fiction as print roots.

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:18:10 -0500
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Subject:  Dec. 8th 1941, site tip

    Donna L. Halper mentioned this site. You can go there with this URL:
    [removed]

    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:18:20 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  2-17 Birthdays

    The following were born on February 17th.

    1897 - Marion Anderson - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    1907 - Larry “Buster” Crabbe - Oakland, California
    1908 - Staats Cotsworth - Oak Park, Illinois
    1908 - Walter “Red” Barber - Columbus, Mississippi
    1910 - Marc Lawrence - New York City
    1914 - Arthur Kennedy - Worcester, Massachusetts
    1919 - Kathleen Freeman - Chicago, Illinois
    1925 - Hal Holbrook - Cleveland, Ohio

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    Make your day, listen to an Olde Tyme Radio Program

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:18:47 -0500
    From: jsexton <jsexton@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Tom Corbett

    Hi,
      I remember the wonderful episodes of Tom Corbett,Space [removed] met the two
    main starts at a show at Memphis,Tenn several years [removed] were a DELIGHT to
    meet ,see, and be entertained by.
      Also appearing at the show Martin mentioned is ED KEMMER who was BUZZ COREY
    on Space [removed] think this was also on OTR but I remember it especially from
    [removed]'s the same principle as Tom [removed] is the ONLY survivor of the
    [removed] will enjoy meeting him,[removed],Kemmer was at the Memphis show,too.
      One of the questions posed to Frankie Thomas was if they actually liked and
    ate Kelloggs Pep?? "Absolutely" said He.
      One shocker though was that they never got the fan mail sent to them where
    they did the series on radio.
      Unfortunately I won't get to attend the show but I hope you space fans of
    OTR will get to meet they great [removed] have never met any nicer ones.
      Best,John Sexton (jsexton@[removed])

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:19:24 -0500
    From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  KFI Building

    A great example of Streamline Moderne architecture is being torn down.  The
    KFI radio building at 141 North Vermont Avenue has already had the building
    south, the auditorium, torn down, and the main building is due to go at any
    moment.  l spent most of my years at KFI looking out that front window.  It
    is sad to know that such a landmark in architecture is being torn down.
    Evidently the Los Angeles City Schools had a need for that space.

    Thanks to Jim Hilliker, I have learned of this desecration, and he is very
    knowledgable about radio history in Los Angeles going back to the early days
    of KFI and KEHE and Earle C. Anthony in Los Angeles.

    The building's studios were named A for Aqua or Auditorium, B for Blue, C
    for Coral and D for [removed] colors found in Hawaii which was a passion
    for Anthony.  He wrote several songs about Hawaii, one of which became
    semi-popular.  He often would call up late at night and tell the announcer
    on duty to play that [removed] matter what kind of programming was going on
    at the time.  Maybe someone could refresh my name about the song's name.

    Lois Culver
    KWLK Radio (Mutual) Longview, WA 1941-44
    KFI Radio (NBC) Los Angeles CA 1945-47, 50-53
    Widow of Howard Culver, actor

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:19:42 -0500
    From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Encyclopedia of Radio

    Elizabeth asked who else contributed articles to the Encyclopedia of
    Radio. I contributed one on the topic of radio dramatists.   Like
    Elizabeth, I wondered whether the publication would ever appear. I agree
    that it will be too expensive for most people to want to buy
    individually. But I intend to ask my public library to order it. I have
    also asked them to order various books on OTR which might not be so
    well-publicized, but would be of interest to the general public if
    they're available

    Howard

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:19:52 -0500
    From: "Don Frey" <alanladdsr@[removed];
    To: "otr message" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Gildersleeve

    Whatever happened to that Denver area restaurant that featured a
    Gildersleeve
    decor with posters, radios, pictures etc? It's probably no longer there but
    does anyone
    know the history of it?

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:39:24 -0500
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: TVs Tom Corbett, Space Cadet

    My friend and prolific OTR author Martin Grams, Jr. just wrote an
    interesting post about Tom Corbett Space Cadet. Before I get to that, I want
    to publicly thank Martin for continually mentioning my recent book "Aw,
    Relax, [removed]!. Very generous of him indeed. Thanks, Pal. See you
    at the Cincinnati Convention.

    In Martins posting he mentioned,

>     TOM CORBETT, SPACE CADET actually began on television first, CBS television,
>     and later moved to ABC (Snip)  Once the program originated over ABC, someone
>     came up with the idea of having the scripts written so cleverly
>     that the audio tracks to the television episodes could be recorded and
>     re-edited to pose as radio broadcasts.

    Then, Martin goes on to mention cast members, writers, etc.

    I'd like to take his posting and show how relationships that began on an
    early Radio (or TV) program, can continue on through life, and merge
    professionally for many years into the future.

    He mentions one of the writers named Hal Rine. And the part of "Astro"
    played by Al Markham. (Two people who I got to know very well in my later TV
    Directorial career.) Both went over to the TV production side of the
    business). But they were "brought over" to the TV Production end in the
    years following the demise of the show, by the man who was the TD (Technical
    Director) of the "Space Cadet" TV show. His [removed] Gould.

    In live TV, The TD was the man in charge of the cameramen, audiomen,
    videoman, etc. and who sat next to the Director at a "Switching Console". He
    also had the job of "punching" the button that corresponded to any number of
    TV cameras being used for the program, (usually 3) and "switched" between
    them (putting a particular cameras "feed" (or picture) on the air. A very
    responsible position.

    To make a long story short, soon after Videotape recording was invented and
    perfected, George Gould formed a independent TV Production Company, got MGM
    (the film studios) to put up the vast sums of money needed to get studio
    space, cameras, tape machines, etc., called it "MGM Telestudios" and became
    one of the first independent (non broadcast) television facilities in New
    York. He brought the young actor Al Markham (Astro) into that company as his
    VP and right hand man, and Hal Rine, as one of the Stage Managers. (The
    Stage manager was the Directors eyes on the studio floor, while the director
    sat closeted away in the Control room looking at all the camera monitors.
    The Director communicated with the technical production crew over closed
    circuit headsets.

    Initially, that company was a competitor of the one that I worked [removed]
    "Videotape Productions of NY. But the two companies eventually merged, (we
    acquired them.) When I formed my own company, I worked with these guys, off
    and on, for many years. Until I also had my own Videotape production studio
    and editing operation.

    This is just another example of how relationships which began in the OTR
    years, and early live TV years, survived in that new TV medium, and how the
    personal "survivors" found all sorts of jobs available to them in the
    production end of the burgeoning TV industry.

    Arthur Anderson, in his book about "Lets' Pretend" gives many examples of
    what happened to those child performers in their later years.

    I try to do the same thing in my book, (specifically, the ones I worked with
    over the years) and even more specifically, the ongoing careers of those
    kids who started as child actors in the mega stage hit "Life With father"
    and who went on to fame and fortune in OTR, Advertising, TV and Motion
    Pictures.

    It's almost a truism. When you made a good friend in Show Business, and they
    got some breaks and struck it big, then they would usually try to "bring
    their friends along for the ride". We were not all overbearing, egotistical,
    and self centered.

    Although I could name a [removed]'s for sure. :)

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead           (Book info at)  [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:39:32 -0500
    From: "Don Belden" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  otr get togetherings

    A restaurant just off I-25 in Pueblo, Colorado tried OTR for about a year.
    The restaurant failed. I am not sure that OTR was the cause.

    Don in Denver

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:41:19 -0500
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: WKAT

    At 09:29 AM 2/16/03 -0500, you wrote:

>     Jim Alton
>     WKAT  Miami, 1964-1979

    Jim, we must have met. I attended the University of Miami between 1957 and
    1961. Well, maybe we just passed driving to North Campus. I interned at
    Reela Films which was part of WTVJ.

    It is interesting seeing another person from Miami. Maybe you remember the
    movie I made in 1964. We got a lot of press. Once Upon A Coffee House. It
    had Joan Rivers, Deanna Lund and a lot of local people as extras. It was
    shoot in June of 1964 and released in April of 1965. And then never seen again.

    Anyway, thanks for posting that insight into early radio female announcers.

    Just as an aside, my wife and I operate a video production company and for
    the last several years, I've been using woman narrators for a lot of
    industrial videos. For years, all the production companies that I did work
    for only used men's voices.

    Fred
    [removed]
    For the best in Old Time Radio Shows [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:41:30 -0500
    From: ABCDiehl@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Road Show"

    I''m trying to track down information about a program,probably in the early
    1950's,  that was called "Road Show," or "The Road Show."   It was a sort of
    forerunner
    to "Monitor."  I'm especially interested in airchecks if any exist.
    Many thanks,

    Bill Diehl
    ABC Radio Network
    New York

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:41:57 -0500
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Gunsmoke

    Ralph asked about a source for Gunsmoke and Six Shooter shows. He mentioned
    borrow not buy, so I would like to suggest the radio clubs around the
    country. Since I'm an active member of one of the librarians of the MWOTR
    Club, I'll give them a plug.

    Join and you will have access to over 3000 radio shows for little more than
    the cost of shipping. Our head librarian can give you all the information
    about joining.

    Rebecca Jones" <rebjones@[removed];

    If you are looking to purchase these shows, many of the dealers who post
    here, like myself have a good number of these shows for sale on audio
    cassette and CD.

    Fred
    [removed]
    for the best in old time radio and TV shows

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 12:12:04 -0500
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Godfrey Phorum

    Digest posters Jack Grasso and others have been raising interesting points
    on the lofcom
    Arthur Godfrey Phorum, courtesy of our own Charlie Summers!  I urge others
    to join us in postings therein!  Here's how:

    [removed]

    Lee Munsick
     From snowy, icy southern Virginia, where we avoided the blizzard further
    north!

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    Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:02:35 -0500
    From: "Scott D. Livingston" <sdl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The good old days?

    I truly enjoyed Hal's memories of the coal and oil furnaces. Remember the
    time when we did "real" "spring cleaning". I hated those days because for a
    week while it was going on, we were not allowed to listen to the radio as it
    would distract us from our chores. I guess Mom knew that we would work a
    little faster knowing that we could listen again once the "spring cleaning"
    was finished.
    I remember the windows being thrown open and the cleaning of the accumulated
    soot from off the wallpapered walls. Oh, the memories!
    The best part of spring cleaning was the end of it and a return to Fibber
    McGee and Molly.

    Sorry for the trip down "off topic memory lane".

    Scott (Fibber) Livingston

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