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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 232


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Convention - Seattle
	 a couple of [removed]
	 Gabby Hayes
	 Roy Rogers' sidekick
	 Re: girlfriends etc
	 NARA
	 Smilin' Ed and Andy Devine
	 Re: Sidekicks and [removed]
	 Re: Star wars audio books
	 NARA:  Another Heard From
	 The Ghost & Mrs. Muir
	 Sisters and OTR
	 Some Saintly Help?
	 Updates to [removed]

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Date: 01 Jul 96 00:30:04 EDT
From: "Stephen L. Sala" <[removed]@[removed]>
To: otr <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Convention - Seattle
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

I just came back from an enjoyable weekend in Bellevue, Wa (suburb of Seattle)
at the 4th REPS OTR Convention.

What a weekend:

Thursday evening:
A new Larry Niles taping as well as two others by Jim French.

Friday evening:
Introduction of the guests and a re-creation of ...The Game ...on Suspense with
the original stars from the 1955 show - Gil Stratton , Jr. and Sam Edwards.

Saturday:
4 OTR re-creations including a Lone Ranger with the one and only Fred Foy doing
the narration.  He got a standing ovation when he did that Ranger intro.  Had to
wipe the tears a way for a [removed]  Bought his CD there,  got it
autographed, and listened to it in the car coming home [removed]  He has his story
on both CD and  cassette tape for sale - called  "Meanwhile, Back at the
[removed]".

Also, VIc & Sade, The RIght to Happiness, and Lux Radio [removed] Clock
...from 1946.

Gil Stratton Jr and Dick Beals talked about their radio baseball days and [removed]

The ever famous Gassman brothers (Larry and John) talked about George Burns.

Harry Bartell, Art  Gilmore, and Fred Foy reflected about announcing.

The wives of Herb Ellis, Parly Baer, Harry Bartell, and Sam Edwards talked abut
being there in the early days.

Who all was there?:

Douglas Young
 Rhoda Williams
 Anne Whitfield (Philiips)
Ginny Tyler
Gil Stratton Jr
Norma Jean Nilsson
Bill Murtough
Tyler McVey
Merrill Mael
Art Gilmore
Esther Geddes
Pat French
Jim French
Fred Foy
Ray Erlenborn
Herb Ellis
Sam Edwards
Stewart Conway
Wayne Cody
Colby Chester
Frank Buxton
Dick Beals
Harry Bartell
Parley Baer
and [removed]

And here's the skinny on Frank Buxton and Bill Owen's republishing of the THE
BIG BROADCAST.
Frank was at the convention and directed several re-creations.  He passed out a
flyer on the [removed]  The book will be published in 1997 according  to the flyer.
It will sell for $[removed] in  cloth, but you can get it for 20 %off prepublication
price ahead of time at $[removed] plus $3 shipping.  Call Scarecrow Press at
800-462-6420 in Lanham, MD to order to get additional info.

Most of the cassettes in the Dealer's room sold for $[removed]$[removed] ,depending on
quantity.  In the last half hour of the last day, one dealer put $[removed] per on
all his remaining cassettes, which were quite a few.  Seems that we had a thread
on this recently from another convention.  Gave people a chance to sample
various shows that they may not regularly buy.


Steve Sala
Spokane 

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 00:23:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Randy Minnehan <rminneha@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: a couple of [removed]
Message-ID: <[removed]@login>

Hi [removed]

Just a couple quick [removed]

   I have a few shows titled FIBBER MCGEE AND [removed] anyone know the
story behind this change in the title, about what may have happened to
Molly (Marion) to cause the title change for a period?  Also, how long was
the title changed?

   Another show I have in my collection is STEVE CANYON audition show
titled The Rubies of Kali" from 09-02-48 with Barry Sullivan.  Anyone know
why this show never was made past the audition, never as a series?  This
show is excellent, and I think it would have done really well, so there
must have been some pressing reason. Anyone know?

   That's it for [removed] more questions later!  Thanks!

   Best regards,

--------------------------------------------------
|Randy Minnehan - rminneha@[removed]|
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:00:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "'A. Joseph Ross'" <lawyer@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Gabby Hayes
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 14:11:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: ulrich@[removed]
> To: [removed]@[removed]
> Subject: Smilin' Ed's Gang
> Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
> 
> Andy Devine played Jingles on Wild Bill Hickock. Gabby Hayes was on Roy Rogers.

Gabby Hayes was on Hopalong Cassidy.  I don't remember him on Roy Rogers.

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A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                                      617/367-0468
15 Court Square                                   lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2573                    [removed]~lawyer/
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:06:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "'A. Joseph Ross'" <lawyer@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Roy Rogers' sidekick
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 01:11:02 -0500
> From: usrtest <usrtest@[removed]>
> To: [removed]@[removed]
> Subject: Re: Andy Divine as Jingles
> Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
> 
> Minor correction:  Jingles was not Roy's sidekick (I think Gabby 
> Hayes and Pat Butram both held that post).  Jingles was Wild Bill 
> Hickock's sidekick.  Remember "Wait fer me, Wild Bill!"?

I remember it well.  But Roy Rogers' sidekick (besides Dale Evans and
Bullet) was Pat Brady, who drove a jalopy called "Nellybell."  The show's
opening referred to him as "their comical sidekick."

I probably would have been more surprised to see an automobile in a
western if I hadn't already seen "Sky King."

Pat Butram was Gene Autry's sidekick.  And to bring this back to radio, I
also remember Pat Butram on Gene Autry's radio show, where he regularly
did a hick-type comedy routine, with Gene playing straight-man. 

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A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                                      617/367-0468
15 Court Square                                   lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2573                    [removed]~lawyer/
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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 00:47:18 4
From: "edcarr" <edcarr@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: girlfriends etc
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

sorry,
 no one has anything on me,i've been
married for 30 years,and when i became
interested in the hobby my wife just
oh! well and listened to i show,i bought
from am treasures a place now out of 
the [removed] couldn't stand another
show from that day on,i don't think it
was the living room filled with transcriptions
and turntables,nor the two rooms filled
with tape,recorders,[removed] i think it
was the endless repeating of jack armstrong
jack armstrong,[removed] got her,anyway she
came to every convention jay had with me
and stood behind the counter selling my
wares,until the last two,i can hear her
now,no i couldn't take another one,you
go,and i [removed] she threatens me to go
to another one,
                        edcarr@[removed]


   

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:11:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John R. Pellatt" <bs206@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: NARA
Message-ID: <[removed]@queen>

  While I appreciate and deplore any unsatisfactory experience with NARA 
(as mentioned in a previous posting), I'd like to say I've been a member 
of NARA (The North American Radio Archives) since 1973 and have always 
thoroughly enjoyed my association with them. There have been a lot of ups 
and downs with NARA and it is by no means perfect even to this day but 
then most volunteer run organisations depend on a very small handfull of 
dedicated (foolish?) individuals to run them. NARA is no [removed] 
anything NARA has an even smaller group running it because so few others 
seem willing to come forward and help out. In my personal experience, I 
have found great pleasure and rewards being a member (and helping out in 
a small way with a number of their publications from time to time) and 
continue to mention it to anyone interested in vintage radio. (I like the 
fact NARA's journal is a journal of "vintage radio" being the best of the 
past and more modern radio drama.) Under current editor Jim Snyder the 
NARA NEWS continues to evolve and develop as an excellent forum for 
articles, columns and information relating to vintage radio. NARA's tape 
libraries as well as printed material libraries are excellent sources for 
enthusiasts both new and more established. I am sure not everyone shares 
my view (obviously) about NARA but I felt it important to post it in 
NARA's defence. Any ongoing dissatisfaction should not be allowed to 
condemn the entire [removed] can always improve its services and 
welcomes the opportunity to do so. I think if anyone has had an 
unsatisfactory dealing with NARA they should contact the Membership 
Director again (one of the overworked under appreciated volunteers) and 
try to resolve the issue constructively and not just give up unhappily. I 
cannot believe NARA WANTS unhappy, dissatisfied non members! It wants 
more happy satisfied MEMBERS!I know given a fair chance (OK, OK, maybe 
two or three!) it WILL try to set things right.
                             
 Thanks for letting me respond. Back to lurking mode!
 --John Pellatt,Toronto, Contributing Editor, NARA NEWS
                

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 01:21:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: "'A. Joseph Ross'" <lawyer@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Smilin' Ed and Andy Devine
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:20:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull)
> To: [removed]@[removed]
> Subject: Smiling Ed's Gang
> Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
> 
> Through the defective source of my memory, I recall that there was 
> a health reason why Smiling Ed didn't take the show to TV. But I
> also recall that a version was tried with Andy Divine as host. Anyone
> else remember that?

Smilin' Ed McConnell =did= take the show to TV.  According to Alex
McNeil's =Total Television=, it aired on NBC 26 August 1950-19 May 1951,
then on CBS 11 August 1951-11 April 1953, then on ABC 22 August 1953-16
April 1955, then back on NBC 23 April 1955-13 August 1955.  I remember
seeing him on TV and getting Smilin' Ed comic books at the local Buster
Brown shoe store.  Andy Devine took over as host after Smilin' Ed died in
1955.  Andy's Gang ran from 20 August 1955 to 31 December 1960 on NBC.

> taking 20 years off of his delivery and making him sound like the old
> Jingles from Roy Rodgers.

Andy Devine played the part of Jingles P. Jones, who was the sidekick of
Wild Bill Hickock, not Roy Rogers.

BTW, Andy Devine had a role once as Jack Benny's butler.  It was on a
"Shower of Stars" TV special in February 1958, in which Jack finally
turned 40.  Jack explained that Rochester was sick and unable to appear,
and that there would be a substitute for that show.  Then, from off
camera, came the call, "Mr. Benny!" sounding just like Rochester.  "The
voice is the same," said Jack as he introduced Andy Devine, who for that
show played Jack's butler, Andy.

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A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                                      617/367-0468
15 Court Square                                   lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2573                    [removed]~lawyer/
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Date: Mon, 01 Jul 96 02:25:00 -0500
From: [removed]@[removed] (GRAHAM NEWTON)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Sidekicks and [removed]
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

 -=> Quoting Old Time Radio-request to OTR-list <=-
     Digest V96 #230

> Subject: Jingles and other Side Kicks
> From: roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull)

> Egad, caught with my sidekicks down. I recall one of the sidekicks
> (Devine?) was too hefty for a horse and used a jeep. I do remember
> that Roy Rodgers worked through a number of sidekicks. There must
> be a book on the vital subject of sidekicks.
> My favorite in otr days was:
> "Si Cisco, the sheriff, he is getting closer."
> "This way Pancho! Follow!"

Funny!  I was just yesterday listening to a Fredrick W. Ziv transcription of
The Cisco Kid Show #37 & 38 of which I only have the first part of a two disc
16" transcription set.  I wonder if anyone has any of these discs?
Further, who was the announcer on the Cisco [removed] he sounds suspiciously
like Winston Hibbler who did the narration for Disney's True Life Adventure
series of films in the '50'[removed] anyone know for sure?

> I love the Tonto story when the actor got lost in the script
> and he knew it was a throw away line and adlibbed: "Uh, Kinosabe,
> Giddemup Scout." But they were doing a bag job on the bad guys
> second floor hotel room at the time. Had to play a lot of Liszt
> to recover from that one.

That's an old story, and although I searched through all the archives of
the show while Wrather Corporation owned the property, I never found the show
with that in it.  It is possible that the "blooper" was done in the first
show of the evening which was destined for the eastern time zone and that show
would not have gone to disc unless a network station made a soft cut of it.
The Lone Ranger acting "company" did 3 shows every broadcast day, one for each
time zone, and usually the second show for central time was the one that was
transcribed for [removed] if that one was messed up, they still had a
fall back for the western time zone.

Has anyone ever come across the actual show with that the "blooper" in it?


On another [removed]

======================================================
ORIGINAL LONE RANGER RADIO SHOWS ON 16" TRANSCRIPTIONS
======================================================

I have acetate 16" transcriptions for 67 Lone Ranger radio programs that run
between February 1950 and November 1951, and include the Christmas show from
December 25th 1953.

I plan to offer these for sale by auction sometime soon.

I also have some split shows where there is only the first or second half disc
on a given show number/title, some on acetates, some on transcription
pressings.

If you would like more information or a list of titles on these shows, please
contact me at the following email address:-

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Internet Email address:-  [removed]@[removed]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Graham Newton   Don Mills, ONTARIO   C A N A D A

 
... Keep Canada [removed] properly dispose of your lawyer.
___ Blue Wave/QWK [removed]

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:15:32 GMT
From: Cameron Hughes <1yardbird@[removed]>
To: Old time radio digest <otr@[removed]>
Subject: Re: Star wars audio books
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

At 02:28 AM 7/1/96 +0000, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 19:06:09 +0200 (MET DST)
>From: Marcus Antonsson <marc-a@[removed]>
>Subject: Re: Star wars audio books
>
>Highbridge Audio Co. has published npr's dramatizations of star wars
>and the empire strikes back. The return of the jedi is also coming
>soon. These productions are excellent, with digital stereosound and
>original music and sound effects from the films. I can warmly recomend
>them. Both cd and cassette-versions are available.
>Marc

To date, there has never been a radio dramatization of Return of the Jedi.
Are you saying that a recording has finally been made and will be aired or
released in stores?  I can strongly recommend Star Wars and The Empire
Strikes Back to anyone.  The sound effects are in stereo and are truly
state-of-the-art.  My only reservation is with some of the actors.
Undoubtedly NPR had to make do with what their limited budget could afford.
Still, they were able to hire many of the originals, including Mark
Hammil(sp?).  All in all, these productions -- especially on CD -- are truly
exceptional.
	
     ***************** Cameron Hughes *****************
     *********** 1yardbird@[removed] ***********
     **************** Carpe diem, baby ****************
     **************************************************

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 08:35:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Ouzts <jouzts@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: NARA:  Another Heard From
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Like Gordon Ernts, we have had some trouble with NARA, particularly in 
regard to receipt of "quarterly" publications.  Unlike Gordon's 
experience, we received prompt reply.  Overall, we have found the 
organization to have been less effective in the last couple of years.

Does anyone in an official seat at NARA read this Digest?

Jim

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:26:14 -0400
From: AIC4Radio@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Ghost & Mrs. Muir
Message-ID: <960701102612_567706566@[removed]>

In a message dated 96-06-30 06:38:55 EDT, you write:

>The ghost and Mrs, Muir, from 1947 with Gene tierney and Rex Harrison.
>I found it delightful, and after watching it I checked if it had been
>done on the lux radio theater. So it had, but unfortunately not with
>the same actors

The 12/1/47 Lux Radio Theatre's production of "The Ghost and Mrs. Muir"
(starring Charles Boyer and Madeleine Carroll--I would assume that the
original actors were unavailable for the production) will be in a new
Adventures in Cassettes collection called: "Spirits 'n Shadows." This Album
will be on the cover of our August catalog. It contains 6 hours of "ghost"
stories from a variety of shows. It sure was fun previewing (or should I say
"pre-listening") to them! Oooooooooooooo.

Sue Hamilton
AIC4Radio@[removed]
[removed] 

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Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 07:26:55 -0700
From: Jack Mann <jmann@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Sisters and OTR
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Here's another slant on people who do and don't like OTR. I
tried to interest my sister in listening. A perfect candidate,
I thought. Age 57, and she and I used to listen to the originals
when we were kids. We laughed and cried together. We sent away
for de-coder rings and the like. As I said, perfect candidate.
I taped a variety of shows for her and sent them off. A few
weeks later back they come. Too silly. Stupid. Too corny. She'd
rather watch TV (YEEEEECH! I said).
So who's to know? I suppose if you force-fed OTR to people, some
would learn to like it, some wouldn't.
Personaly, I remembered those shows from my childhood with fond-
ness. Visions of the family sitting around the radio and sharing
the laughter and fear made me feel warm all over, so when I saw
some OTR tapes in a book store 11 years ago I thought, "Why not?"
and have been stuck ever since.
How come I love OTR and my sister doesn't? Darned if I know.
Different prospectives, different memories, different levels of
maturity? I don't know. But people just naturally like different
things (thank heaven), so I guess that's as good an answer as any.
Jack

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Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 15:12:17 EDT
From: claughli@[removed] (Charles Laughlin)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Some Saintly Help?
Message-Id: <[removed]@superior>

the "Compassionate Log of The Saint" project is ticking right along.
And when it is finished, or at least stable, I will run it here -- but
of course this time in smaller chunks.

Right now I need help finding an episode.  The official script title
is "A Gangster District Attorney," but it is also sold under "Mr.
Important."  Does anyone out there have that episode?  Contact me
please in private.

Thanks!

Charlie
-- 
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Charles Laughlin                              Box 208
Department of Sociology & Anthropology        Wakefield, Quebec
Carleton University                           CANADA J0X 3G0
Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA K1S 5B6               Ph: 819/459-1121
E-mail: claughli@[removed]              Fax: 819/459-3537
    Homepage: [removed]~[removed]

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

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Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 16:50:32 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Updates to [removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I have updated my web site, including new Temple of Vampires and Captain
Midnight episodes. 

Be sure to look through the text for I Love A Mystery for access to a log.



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Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          
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