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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2007 : Issue 170
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: My introduction to OTR            [ Bethany Rutledge <bsr_mmr@[removed] ]
      Re:The Lack of Ladies                 [ "Celia" <kretlow2@[removed]; ]
      Some more museum musings              [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      Ray Erlenborn                         [ "Mary L. Wallace" <mlwallace57@hotm ]
      Further on the Pepsi-Cola Jingle      [ skallisjr@[removed] ]
      Rosa Rio                              [ stevenl751@[removed] ]
      Ma, Mary and the Puddles              [ mmartini@[removed] ]
      Pepsi                                 [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
      Osadoj                                [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
      Attention Gene Autry fans             [ "Bob C" <rmc44@[removed]; ]
      Ma Perkins and Soap                   [ Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed]; ]
      OTR Organists                         [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
      Twice as much for a nickel too        [ Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed]; ]
      How I Got Hooked On OTR               [ "Bill Hintz" <retiredwillie@charter ]
      Coke vs. Pepsi                        [ "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm ]

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:30:56 -0400
    From: Bethany Rutledge <bsr_mmr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: My introduction to OTR

    My love affair with vintage radio is still quite new.

    In 2004 - I was 31 at the time - a friend of mine
    who's in her early forties was trying and trying to
    get me to give it a try. I finally ordered a Fibber
    McGee & Molly collection and a collection of Bing
    Crosby programs --- both on mp3s. One early winter's
    night, I settled down in front of my laptop, began
    playing a FM&M episode, and fell in love.

    It felt as though I happened across this window to the
    1930s. This amazing portal which allowed me to listen
    to the very same programs and laugh at the very same
    jokes my grandparents enjoyed! It was - and still is -
    such a rush to feel like I can step right into the
    world as they knew it.

    Bethany
    Tucson, Arizona

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:31:20 -0400
    From: "Celia" <kretlow2@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:The Lack of Ladies

    As a long time lady lurker, I can only speak for myself.

    Having spent my formative years glued to the radio on a regular basis, I
    have had a long-standing love of OTR. So many memorable programs from my
    childhood come to mind:  "Let's Pretend", "Orphan Annie", "Terry and the
    Pirates", "Lone Ranger", "Captain Midnight", etc., etc ... not to mention
    the daily soaps I listened to along with my Mother.  Eventually,"ILAM",
    "Lights Out", "Jack Benny", "Amos and Andy", "Phil Harris and Alice Faye",
    etc. joined my favorites as well as such programs as "Music Till Dawn",
    "Make Believe Ballroom" and "Hawaii Calling".  However, I haven't a clue
    regarding the technical aspects of broadcasting, and the closest I have
    rubbed elbows with anyone in radio, was to attend the WLS Barn Dance in
    Chicago and sitting in on a Jack Eigan talk show, which, if memory serves,
    was broadcast from Chicago's Chez Paree at the time.

    I think there are many other ladies out there such as I, who have enjoyed a
    life-long love and appreciation of OTR , but most of us do not have the
    technical knowledge and expertise that so many of the male contributors have
    to share, nor a history of personal involvement in the industry or
    connections via those who have. (I must say that I have learned a great
    deal, by what they have posted on this digest.) Therefore, without a sense
    of being able to contribute something of technical substance, or share an
    interesting story related to radio's fascinating history and the people who
    populated it, we remain disengaged and/or silent, but enjoying each and
    every issue of this wonderful OTR Digest nonetheless.

    Always best regards,

    Celia ~

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 08:33:11 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Some more museum musings

    The Mayor of Etherville, Derek Tague, who should know better, wrote:

>     Of course, if someone had pointed out that
>     Bill Paley founded CBS with family money
>     made in the production of cigars . . .

    Aarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Bill Paley was NOT the founder
    of CBS.  Here is the correction I sent to the New York Times this afternoon.
    I don't know if they will use it, but at least we can count on Charlie to
    print it.

    "The article "New Name and Mission for Museum of Television" by Elizabeth
    Jensen describes William Paley as "the late CBS founder."  Paley was not
    the founder of CBS.  The company was founded in January 1927 by Arthur
    Judson and George A. Coats, and the CBS network went on the air Sunday
    September 18, 1927. It was only after additional money was invested from
    Betty Fleishman Holmes, Issac Levy, and the company's second president
    Jerome Louchman, that William Paley also invested money and became the
    company's third president on September 15, 1928.  Although the Columbia
    Broadcasting System had already been on the air for a year when he
    bought into it, later in his life Paley allowed himself to be publicized
    by CBS as founder because he had afterwards changed the parent company's
    name from United Independent Broadcasters, Inc. to that of the name of
    their network. He was not the "founder" of the network, he just "found"
    it.  Maybe that makes him the "finder" of the network, and the
    "re-namer" of the parent company."

    Now that I have gotten that out, I agree with my pal Derek when he says:

>     To a passerby or an out-of-towner (Somebody call Ripley,! Tague
>     is actually sticking up for tourists), the "Paley Center for Media"
>     sounds like a production house and not a museum/repository

    That has been my point.  They are going to downplay their collecting of
    programs in favor of collecting green papers with pictures of dead
    presidents on them. They want to be known as a "center" now, as in a
    "meeting place."

    As someone who, like Derek, also still calls 30 Rock the RCA Building (there
    already was ANOTHER GE Building over on the East side!!!!!) I appreciate it
    when he says:

>     Personally, I'm not going to acclimate myself towards saying
>     "PCM." I might give in to referring to it as "Paley," but, for me,
>     "MTR" is fine.

    Pulse Code Modulation does seem to be a strange name for the place.  After
    all these years I still end up often it calling it the Museum of
    Broadcasting (usually I call it the "&*#&E$^@*@# Museum of Broadcasting.")
    Ironically I always resented that first name of theirs because the initials
    they used back then were MB which happen to be MY initials!!!  So I called
    it the "MOB" (or the "&*#&E$^@*@# MOB.")  Of course, if they had changed it
    to what they should have, the "Museum of Radio and Television" the initials
    would have been MRT.  I pity the fools!!!

    Michael Biel (the REAL MB) mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:49:46 -0400
    From: "Mary L. Wallace" <mlwallace57@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Ray Erlenborn
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    It is with great sadness that I have to share the news that Ray Erlenborn
    passed away on June 4 at the age of 92. Ray provided sound effects at several
    FOTR conventions and he also provided at lot of laughs. Ray was a great guy
    and I know that he will be missed by all of us who had the great pleasure of
    knowing him.

    Mary Lou Wallace

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:49:59 -0400
    From: skallisjr@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Further on the Pepsi-Cola Jingle

    As I recall, it was:

    Pepsi Cola hits the spot.
    12 full ounces: that's a lot.
    Twice as much for a nickle, too,
    Pepsi-Cola is the drink for you.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 09:50:16 -0400
    From: stevenl751@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Rosa Rio
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    There's a cute article about OTR organist Rosa Rio in the St. Petersburg
    [removed]  She admits to her true age, which [removed] well, you'll have to read the
    article to believe it!

    [removed]

    - Steve Lewis
    AOL at [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:28:27 -0400
    From: mmartini@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ma, Mary and the Puddles

    Hi,

    Just to play "tag-team" a little with Mr. Cox's posting about beloved Ma
    Perkins.  As Jim pointed out, Ma was not the first soap, not even at WLW.  Ma
    was preceded by a show called "The Puddle Family," a serial written by St.
    Louis cartoonist T. E. Tuttle(sp?), who drew a strip called "The Bungles."
    The Puddles were based on the Bungles and featured a cast that included
    Charlie Eggleston and a young Virginia Payne.  It was produced by legendary
    historian Erik Barnouw, who was working for a NY-based ad agency at the time
    that had P-and-G as a client.  After a successful year on the air (1932),
    P-and-G came to the station wanting to take the show national.  The contract
    with Tuttle stated that if the show were to go "national," that he would get
    a big raise in his payment.  After a failed negotiation, the station decided
    to drop the Puddles and create a new show--"Ma."  Many of the same actors
    were retained and the rest is, as they say, history.

    Meanwhile, after Ma left Cincinnati for Chicago, the station attempted to see
    if lightning would strike twice.  They created "The Life of Mary
    Sothern"(sic) in the fall of 1934, starring Linda Carlon as Mary.  The six
    month run went well and things looked promising but Linda decided to leave
    the station in early 1935 for New York.  The show resurfaced in October 1935
    with Minabelle Abbott as Mary.  Scripts were written by Don Becker and the
    show was directed by Rikel Kent.  Also in the cast were such eventual stars
    as Jay Jostyn and Mary Jane Croft.  The show was a big [removed]
    Minabelle suffered an apendicitis, so did "Mary" and a microphone was strung
    into Minabelle's hospital room!   In late 1936, Becker moved to New York to
    co-found TransAmerica syndication.  He brought the show to the Big Apple in
    1937, where it continued for another year until Minabelle came home and, I
    think, the show went on in syndication.

    -Mike

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:29:22 -0400
    From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Pepsi

    Don Jensen wrote "

>     If Pepsi offered 12 oz., and Coke came in 7 oz bottles, then should it not
>      have been "70 percent more for a nickel too?

    Coke Cola came in 6 oz bottles, I sure of it because I drank 3 bottles with
    my lunch for about 5 [removed] those day, working in construction , would
    sweat it off by 4:30.

    As I remember the Pepsi jungles, in the 1940's, it was "Pepsi Cola hit the
    spot, 12 full onces that a lot twice as much for a nickel, nickel, nickel"

    I have a "Counterspy" show from May 02/1950 that was sponsored by Pepsi Cola.
    The jingle has change since the 40's to "Pepsi Cola Hits the Spot 2 full
    glasses that a lot, Twice as much and better to. Pepsi Cola is the drink for
    you, du, du, [removed] it delicious Pepsi cola"

    In my opinion when Coke Cola went to larger bottles it change the taste.

    Frank McGurn

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 12:58:45 -0400
    From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Osadoj

    Several people have refere to Oxydol as detergent It probaly was in the
    50' and was until it was dicontinued, but in the begining

    Oxydol was only a soap used for lundry and dishes. We din't have liquid
    detergents in the 30', 40' and early 50's

    I looked detergents up in the dictionary (Webster's) on the computer and
    found the followin:

    "The first detergent, or artificial soap, was produced in Germany during
    World War I. In 1946, the first built detergent appeared, comprising a
    /surfactant/(a surface-acting agent or soap) and a /builder/ (a chemical
    that enhances the performance of the surfactant as well as rendering the
    laundering process more effective in other ways). Pushed along by
    economic prosperity and the development of relatively inexpensive
    *washing machines* in the wake of World War II, detergent sales soared;
    by 1953, they had surpassed soap sales in the United States."

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:02:27 -0400
    From: "Bob C" <rmc44@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Attention Gene Autry fans

    Got an e-mail from Oxford University Press today touting gifts
    for Father's Day. This apparently isn't on sale,
    [removed];ci=97
    80195177466, but for fans of Gene Autry, it might
    be just what you're looking for. Usual disclaimers apply.

    Bob Cockrum

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:36:21 -0400
    From: Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ma Perkins and Soap

    So much for Wikipedia! Who can you trust?  Jim Cox that's who!!!
     OK maybe Ma Perkins was the first really successful at marketing soap,
    soap opera? :-)
    Ed Kindred

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 13:36:58 -0400
    From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR Organists

    On Thursday, June 7, 2007, at 03:28 PM, Bob Slate wrote:

>     Most of us Old Time Radio enthusistists know who  the organists were
>     on "The Shadow" ( Rosa Rio), Chandu the Magician ( Korla Pandit),
>     and "I Love A Mystery" (Rex Corey). Who played the organ on "Tom Mix"

    Harold Turner was the organist on the "Tom Mix" and probably filled in
    on a lot of other shows originating in Chicago from 1930 to 1950. A
    mid-1940s picture shows him to be a slender, dark-haired, bland-faced
    man, similar to Arthur Lake of "Dagwood" fame.

    Turner was equally talented on the piano keyboard and had his own radio
    shows. In summer of 1934 he had a 15 minute musical show, "Harold
    Turner, Pianist" on WGN at 4:15 pm CST.  In 1937 he had a similar show
    with same name, also on WGN, this time at 4:30 pm CDT.

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
    <[removed]>

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:05:43 -0400
    From: Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Twice as much for a nickel too

    I remember Coke as being in 6 oz bottles back during the 40's in which
    case my favorite soft drink
    was correct at twice as much for a nickel too. Minimal googling took me to
    the following website.

    [removed]
    an excerpt from the above peddling website.

    All are full and mint with bottle cap in 8 oz, 6 oz, and 16 oz Coca Cola
    bottle sizes (unless otherwise noted

    Ed Kindred

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:06:03 -0400
    From: "Bill Hintz" <retiredwillie@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  How I Got Hooked On OTR

    This thread is fading now, but I thought I would add my experience
    as I really enjoyed reading all of the posts, especially the one from
    Tom Barnett.

    I began listening to the daytime soap operas like Stella Dallas while
    building model airplanes in my pre-teen days (mid '40's).  At that time,
    The Lone Ranger was my favorite and remember going into the closet
    to look at the Atomic Bomb ring!  As time went on, I became interested
    in numerous programs which aired during the day and at night.  My
    favorite night time program was "The Big Story" (if anyone knows where
    I can locate copies of these shows, please contact me off list).  Sunday
    afternoons were always looked forward to as I was hooked on Jason
    and The Golden Fleece, Gangbusters, Nick Carter, Jack Benny, and
    Charlie McCarthy. There were others that I listened too faithfully such as
    This Is Your FBI, The Whistler, Tales of The Texas Rangers, Hopalong
    Cassidy, The Shadow, and my favorite western program Gunsmoke.  I
    can remember where I was and what I was doing when the first Gunsmoke
    show aired on April 26, 1952!

    I agree totally with Tom Barnett in that OTR is really the "Theater of
    the Mind" as it allows you to visualize in your mind the scene being
    portrayed.
    To this day I listen to OTR while building model airplanes (yep - still at
    it!)
    or when I just want relax and unwind.  Life was so much simpler then!
    Well, I too have rambled on here.  Thanks for "listening".

    Bill in Morro Bay, CA

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    Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:05:24 -0400
    From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Coke vs. Pepsi

    Don Jensen wrote:

>     The question here, though, is truth in [removed] Pepsi offered 12
>     oz., and Coke came in 7 oz bottles, then should it not have been "70 percent
>     more for a nickle too?"

    When I was a kid you could still get Coke in the traditional small bottles.
    As I recall they held [removed] oz., not 7 oz.  So Pepsi was rounding the size of
    the Cole bottles down by a half ounce.

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