Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #37
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Date: 1/30/2002 10:19 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 37
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      film footage of old time radio shows  [ "Christian Blees" <christian-blees@ ]
      boxing on Radio                       [ "bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed] ]
      Re: phone ringing                     [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
      Peggy Lee                             [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      Telephone Introduction                [ "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@ezlin ]
      Fibber's Car                          [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      Trivia                                [ "Scott Eberbach" <seberbach@earthli ]
      OTR Boxing                            [ "Michael DeLisa" <delisa_michael@ho ]
      Arthur! Arthur!                       [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      Listening skills ala Timothy Clough   [ "Ed Kindred" <kindred@[removed]; ]
      OTR on MP3                            [ "bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed] ]
      White Christmas                       [ "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@rivnet ]
      one program shows & boxing matches    [ Peter Appleyard <pappleyard_ca@yaho ]
      re:telephone intros                   [ ejcooper2001@[removed] ]
      Phone Ringing                         [ "Tim Gammon" <tgammon@[removed]; ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      OTR Trivia                            [ "vegan" <vegan@[removed]; ]
      Re:Help with a trivia question        [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
      DEALERS AND MP3                       [ "Ian Grieve" <ian@[removed] ]

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:03:19 -0500
    From: "Christian Blees" <christian-blees@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: film footage of old time radio shows

    Hi all,

    does anybody know where to find film footage of old time radio shows?
    What I am looking for are videos, home movies, newsreel clips and the
    like that show radio actors at work during live recordings or rehearsals
    or film clips that do promote such shows. I would be particularly
    interested in material on Hollywood related shows. Any hint for sources
    is highly appreciated!

    Christian

    Christian Blees

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:03:46 -0500
    From: "bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed];
    To: "" old-time radio digest ">" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: boxing on Radio

    Hi all,
    Every day when I read the digests I am reminded that this is the most
    incredible list.  I'm on a few others and they are not nearly as informative
    or fun.
    Well, anyway, I am curious as to how many of the more famous boxing matches
    are available. I've heard clips over the years and they show some on ESPN
    Classic but I'd love to hear some of the radio versions.
    Bill

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:03:30 -0500
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re: phone ringing

    Duffy's Tavern started with Archie talking on the phone, I can't remember
    if the phone rang before he started talking.

    At 04:02 PM 1/29/02 -0500, you wrote:

>     Hi, Wayne Boenig was wondering how many shows started off with a telephone
>     [removed] don't know but two come to [removed] & Abner & Yours Truly,
>     Johnny Dollar.  There must be many [removed]

    Fred
    For the best in Old Time Radio Shows [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:04:53 -0500
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Peggy Lee

    I didn't see any reference to the passing of Peggy Lee in the digest and
    I am sorry about that. Not only was she a great singer and composer and
    actress but she took part in many radio shows in the 1940's as both
    guest and host. It seems to me that anyone who has seven references in
    Dunning's encyclopedia of OTR should at least be mentioned.
    I was a long time fan of hers and was fortunate enough to see her in
    person on five different occasions, and on one of those events I really
    lucked out and got to meet her backstage at CBS Television City in
    Hollywood, after a rehearsal of the Carol Burnett show in which she sang
    "Is That All There Is". She was just as kind and gracious (and sexy!)
    offstage as she appeared to be onstage.
    We have suffered a great loss of a talented and beautiful lady. And I
    want everyone to know that when she sang "Mr. Wonderful" she sang it to
    me!

    George Aust

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:04:23 -0500
    From: "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Telephone Introduction

    In Digest #34 Wayne Boenig wrote the following:

>     A long time ago I remember being presented with a trivia question for which I
>     never received a complete answer.  The challenge was to name at least five
>     OTR shows that regularly began with the ringing of a telephone.  The only two
>     I could think of were Duffy's Tavern and Candy Matson.  Would any other
>     readers be so kind as to provide names of other series that fit this
>     description?  Thanks.

    How about Lum and Abner and I beleive The Falcon also uses the phone intro.

    Don Dean

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:04:29 -0500
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Fibber's Car

    Another episode in which Fibber McGee had a car was from 3-30-39
    "Gildy's Halloween Party" in which McGee lets out the air from
    Gildersleeve's car tires in a darkened garage as a Haloween prank, only
    to find out later that it was his own car parked in that garage. What I
    don't remember is whether Gildy had a wife in that episode.
    George Aust

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 12:08:18 -0500
    From: "Scott Eberbach" <seberbach@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Trivia

    In response to the posting of the five shows that start with the ringing of
    a telephone others have mentioned Duffy's Tavern, Candy Matson, Yours Truly,
    Johnny Dollar, The [removed] here is my two cents to (hopefully) complete
    the [removed] Adventures Of Sam Spade.

    Scott

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:04:24 -0500
    From: "Michael DeLisa" <delisa_michael@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: OTR Boxing

    I am researching early radio broadcasts re boxing.  The earliest fight I
    have been able to document is the Apr 11, 1921 fight between Johnny Dundee
    and johnny Ray in Pittsburgh. The July 1921 Dempsey-Carpentier card is
    usually quoted as being the first.

    In any event, my query is this -- apparently some radio listeners "recorded"
    the Dempsey-Carpentier fight by taking down what was said in morse code,
    then transcribing the tapes.  (I gleaned this from Wireless Age, which is
    reprinted on the web.)

    Are any of these trasnscripts available?

    Apparently the earliest boxing match extant is Tunney-Dempsey 1926.  I would
    love to hear that one!

    Mike DeLisa
    [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:18:46 -0500
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Arthur! Arthur!

    Folks;

       I think I've mentioned before that I just LOVE the television series, "Law
    and Order" - not because it's quality television, but because it's shot in
    New York, and uses boatloads of actors and actresses we all know and love.

       Tonight's episode had, in a featured role, one of our favorites - Mr.
    Arthur Anderson, alumn of the Mercury Theater, Let's Pretender extrordinare,
    former Lucky Charms Leprechan, and one of the "Innovators of TV Land" (and
    not to be confused with a certain paper-shredding accounting firm). It was
    great to see him giving Lenny Brisco the business!

       But I have a question for those who saw the [removed] that Alice
    playing his character's wife? The woman had no lines, and was out of frame in
    seconds, but the way the woman moved her hand reminded me of Mrs. Anderson.
    (My wife wondered the same thing, which is always a great reality-check.)

       As everyone knows, Alice is the main reason Arthur is invited to OTR
    Conventions. She's a sweetheart.

             Charlie (who stole the subject pun from Mr. Anderson himself)

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:07:11 -0500
    From: "Ed Kindred" <kindred@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Listening skills ala Timothy Clough

    Man was not designed to Multiplex whereas women are. We are brain damaged
    and only use one side of the brain.
    It used to take me an entire football game to do the one hour grass mowing
    job. Imagine trying to listen to the Metropolitan Opera
    broadcast and mowing concurrently. Chores at home waited while I
    concentrated on listening. to the radio. Listening to the
    radio required as much of my attention as watching television. I primarily
    listen to OTR while driving and occasionally have
     to rewind because of mind wander. I can do crossword puzzles and listen at
    the same time but I believe that I am sampling
    rather than concentrating on every spoken syllable.
    Ed Kindred

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:07:30 -0500
    From: "bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed];
    To: "" old-time radio digest ">" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: OTR on MP3

    Hi all,
    The talk of MP3 disks of OTR driving the dealers out of business makes me
    wonder, how many of those folks who trade and download bad quality MP3 files
    would buy them if the MP3 shows weren't available for free anyway.
    In some ways it's not much different than when we bought reels in the 70's
    and then traded those shows to others, and then those shows were copied and
    traded and then maybe copied and traded even more times.
    I think the casual dabbler will pick up more shows than he would have with
    the advent of MP3 but I think the true fans and collectors probably want
    better
    quality shows.  Then they can make MP3's of their own for their own use.
    I know I like the idea of trading MP3's because it gives me more access to
    new shows that I can try, then, if I like them I'll go out and buy better
    coppies of
    them.  It also lets me here more episodes of shows that I already like and if
    certain episodes stink than I haven't wasted as much money and can then spend
    *that* money on the good shows.
    Like I said, more people are trading MP3's but I just don't think that a lot
    of them would have bought shows in the first place.
    Please dealers don't shoot me. <g>
    Bill

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:08:09 -0500
    From: "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: White Christmas

        Irving Berlin's "White Christmas" was first introduced by that name in
    the film "Holiday Inn" (1942) starring Crosby, Fred Astaire, Walter Abel and
    Marjorie Reynolds.  The song won the Academy Award that year. Its immense
    popularity was engendered, of course, by WWII and the fact so many Americans
    were overseas and in fact dreaming of a white Christmas.

    The film was revamped in 1954 and released this time to lesser reviews as
    "White Christmas," starring Crosby again, Danny Kaye, Rosemary Clooney,
    Vera-ellen and Dean Jagger.  Berlin's song was again featured "White
    Christmas," although another Berlin song from that film was nominated for an
    [removed]"Count Your Blessings Instead of Sheep."

    The song title is always referred to as "White Christmas," and not by the
    first line of the lyrics, [removed], "I'm Dreaming of a White Christmas."

    Dave

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:07:53 -0500
    From: Peter Appleyard <pappleyard_ca@[removed];
    To: submit item <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: one program shows & boxing matches

    Is there a site or does someone know where a person
    might get a list of shows that only had one or two
    episodes?? In the last few Digests the subject of
    Boxing Matches that were announced on radio, would
    anyone know if any of these broadcasts are still
    available??  pappleyard_ca@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:08:27 -0500
    From: ejcooper2001@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: re:telephone intros

    Don't know if it was mentioned or not, [removed]
    /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    SFX: phone ringing
    ANNOUNCER: LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE RINGING OF THAT PHONE MEANS MYSTERY,
    ADVENTURE!
    /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    (from The New Adventures of Nero Wolfe, 1950-51, NBC)

    Eric Cooper

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:08:17 -0500
    From: "Tim Gammon" <tgammon@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Phone Ringing

    How about my favorite series. Richard Diamond, Private Detective. I thought
    Dick Powell was great.

    Regards,

    Tim Gammon

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:08:59 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Today in radio history

      From Those Were The Days --

    The famous radio western, The Lone Ranger, was heard for the first time
    on this day in 1933. The program ran for 2,956 episodes and came to an
    end in late 1954.

      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:08:51 -0500
    From: "vegan" <vegan@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: OTR Trivia

    Does anyone know of a book of OTR trivia questions and answers? Rob
    Dezendorf -Florida

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:10:15 -0500
    From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re:Help with a trivia question

    You've listed several programs which began
    with a telephone ringing, but there's one which
    was suspiciously absent:  Candy Matson.
    Not only did each episode of her program begin
    with her answering the phone (usually as the lead
    in to her latest case) but it also included her
    replying by using phone number YUkon 28209.

    "I Love A Mystery" and "I Love Adventure" sometimes
    (not always) began with phone calls made to the offices of the
    detective agency.

    "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar" always began with a phone call
    which Bob Bailey answered "Johnny Dollar".

    Some of the "Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost Persons" began with
    the sound of a phone ringing.

    I'm sure some of the mailing list members  can provide
    many more examples.  I hope these examples of mine help.
    These are just the few which I came up with off the top of
    my head.

    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:10:47 -0500
    From: "Ian Grieve" <ian@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: DEALERS AND MP3

    Ted wrote:

>     If I am put out of business because of the MP3 postings there will be a
>     vast
>     amount of shows that I won't be able to offer.  This is true with all of the
>     dealers.  Don't get me wrong - I am not knocking the MP3 format.

    Ted, the majority of the mp3 fraternity collect it because it is "free".
    Yes they enjoy listening, but these are not your customer base.  The
    majority of these people would not have purchased from a Dealer or
    Collector.

    The people who are your mp3 competition are those who sell the CDs of mp3 on
    e-bay and other places.  They ARE finding markets with people willing to pay
    $$ for mp3 otr.  Most of those are poor quality, poorly labeled and contain
    many duplicate shows.

    I posted previously that I believe that Dealers should be looking at their
    clients and finding out how they would prefer to receive their otr.  Just
    because R2R trading and cassettes have been popular for so long, doesn't
    mean they will continue to be popular.  Portable mp3 players capable of 8
    hours playing on a set of batteries (my rio 250 charges its own batteries),
    means that people want 8 hours of listening just as portable, not with
    pockets full of cassettes.

    Ted, you are a respected Dealer.  If you offer what the client wants, how
    can an e-bay shonky compete with you.

    I am sorry but I would love to include a website link here but can't find
    it.  The guy (may be on this digest) sells otr CDs.  He has the CDs autoboot
    on computers for new users.  He has a background and theme for each genre,
    with matching buttons etc.  In other words, buy a CD of Westerns, put it in
    your computer and up pops a window with a Western theme and you access the
    shows on the CD using buttons on that Window. The whole thing very
    professionally done.  He has put a lot of time and effort into his designs
    and is supplying a complete product to his market.  If he was to licence the
    shows from copyright holders where they exist, then he could put them on
    supermarket shelves and make a killing. The days of a couple of episode on a
    cassette or CD will come to an end.  Not to say that you have to have 100 on
    a CD, but you can fit a number of high quality encodes on a CD in mp3.

>     In my humble opinion, it all boils down to this.
>     You get what you pay for.  If you get crappy shows in free downloads, you
>     have no right to complain.

    Yes definately.  The difference between a Dealer/Collector and a casual mp3
    collector or e-bay seller has to be quality.  The tough part will come if
    the latter get educated before the former.  OTR needs Dealers and Collectors
    just as much as listeners.  I have mentioned before about stages the mp3
    collector goes through from casual listening to serious collector.  The
    majority never leave the casual listener stage.  When they do leave the
    casual listener stage, they become prospective clients for you, and will
    then stay as clients through the rest of the stages if they stay in OTR.
    The tough part is yours.  You have to show them a better product than they
    can get for free.  Value adding, high quality, rare and just as important,
    in a listening format that matches their needs.

    The otr hobby has hundreds maybe thousands of people downloading otr for
    free off the internet.  Why isn't it millions?  Because only a fanatic wants
    to spend hours glued to the computer searching sites and downloading shows,
    burning CDs, making lists, checking them twice, hang [removed] was last
    month.  Millions of people want their goods packaged and delivered to their
    door in whatever format that suits them.  That is a market that the e-bay
    seller and free mp3 ftp sites etc cannot handle.  Radio $$ was and probably
    others, the person that does it right will collect the cash.  There is a
    market there and when someone aims it right and uses the free mp3s to whet
    appetites for the more professional product they will do well.  Please
    remember I will look after Australia for you :)

    Ian

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