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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 01 : Issue 219
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Mr. Harlan Stone ["Jerry Bechtel" <[removed]@jal.]
JACK BENNY'S "STINGY" ALTER EGO ["Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
jack (john patrick) costello ["Donald P. Tuttle" <dobbsi5@[removed]]
good collection of radio magazines? [Ben Ohmart <bloodbleeds@[removed]; ]
Burns & Allen and the great radio co [Kubelski@[removed] ]
Log Search ["Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed]]
Family Theater ["Lois Culver" <lois@[removed]; ]
Family Theater ["Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed]]
Re:Abbott and Costello on OTR [Kenneth L Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]]
Killers [Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed]]
A gildersleeve? [dabac@[removed] ]
Archie & Harlan ["Welsa" <welsa@[removed]; ]
archie on abc ["randy story" <BYGEORGE@[removed]; ]
Re: A&A Log [Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed]]
Re: INTRODUCTION ["Jeff Oransky" <oransky@[removed]; ]
InfoPls panelists [michael berger <intercom1@attglobal]
Green Acres trivia ["mutineer" <mutineer@[removed]; ]
repeat request ["George Coppen" <gacoppen@[removed]]
Family Theater ["Dave DiSisto" <ddisist1@[removed]]
Hopalong Cassidy ["A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro]
Archie Cast Characters [hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Origin of Gildersleeve [hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:55:03 -0400
From: "Jerry Bechtel" <[removed]@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Mr. Harlan Stone
What a thrill to actually read posts from Mr. Stone (Jughead). Since I
was born in 1937, I listened to all the Archie Andrews shows and read
all the Archie comics. It's hard to believe that I actually heard Mr.
Stone's voice as Jughead back 50 years ago! I thank Mr. Stone for
contributing to the digest and want him to know he still has a fan here!
It literally makes my heart flutter when I read his comments. God
[removed]
Jerry B.
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 16:55:05 -0400
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: JACK BENNY'S "STINGY" ALTER EGO
The stories about the stingy persona that Jack parlayed into a unforgetable
character, brings to mind two stories that bear this out, One - told by
Jack himself on the Johnny Carson Show, and the other from a Phil Harris
show that he was guest on.
Jack relayed the following to Johnny Carson: "I was attending a celebrity
function in Los Angeles when I had a sudden urge to use the men's room.
Well, back in those days thy had pay toilets, so I put in my money, used the
toilet, and was leaving when i realized I lost my wallet inside the toilet
stall. So I had no choice but to crawl under the stall door and retrieve my
wallet. As I was backing out, a young gentleman entered. He recognized me,
and said: Well, [removed] Benny, I have heard stories that you were cheap. and
brushed it off, but this proves they were right!" Now weather this story is
true or not, it got a big laugh and only Jack Benny knows if it was.
The other one is a gem from the Phil Harris show: Jack says to Phil that he
would play Santa for his kids like he does every year at he Friars Club for
$10. When Phil says he would not pay that amount to Jack, He came up with
this gem: "Why Phil, I would never even think of charging you $10 to play
Santa for the girls . . . $5 would be fine!"
True genius in every respect.
Owens Pomeroy
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:16:42 -0400
From: "Donald P. Tuttle" <dobbsi5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: jack (john patrick) costello
this is a repeat request for any info on an nbc announcer
named jack costello (he signed himself john patrick
costello) on the bishop sheen radio program.
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 17:31:40 -0400
From: Ben Ohmart <bloodbleeds@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: good collection of radio magazines?
Does anyone have a good collection of radio magazines?
I'm seeking some articles on particular people and
shows.
Thanks.
= ====
Check out Fibber McGee's Scrapbook,
a new otr book!
[removed]
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:23:06 -0400
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Burns & Allen and the great radio comedies
Everyone has their own pantheon when comparing the quality of the great radio
comedy shows. I've never like Amos 'N Andy, Eddie Cantor, Lum and Abner or
The Easy Aces, for example (although A&A is a special case as its best
creative years were spent as a drama). I like Gildersleeve and Edgar Bergen,
but I wouldn't put them in a class with the following shows.
My top few have been 1) Jack Benny 2) Fred Allen 3) Burns & Allen, 4) Fibber
McGee & Molly and 5) The Phil Harris/Alice Faye Show. Honorable mentions go
to the Stan Freberg Show and Bob & Ray, which weren't sitcoms. I also admit
that I've only listened to a few episodes each of The Aldrich Family and
Ozzie & Harriet, so they could be better than I've experienced and I just
don't know it.
As far as my list goes, it's a combination of quality of cast, writing and
longevity. Jack Benny wins on all three counts, an easy first place vote.
Fred Allen comes in second based on writing and cast, with a hit taken for
longevity. Burns & Allen has a great cast - the two stars and with Gale
Gordon, Bea Benederet and Mel Blanc - but the writing fell off late in the
series. I always had the impression the writers relied on Gracie Allen's
personal brilliance as a performer and less on great plots and supporting
characters.
FM&M had very good everything, but didn't surpass the other shows on the list
in any area. The supporting characters were better written than Burns &
Allen's, but they didn't have Gracie. It was a great ensemble cast with
unforgettable talent - but it couldn't match the depth of Jack Benny's
recurring characters from the core group to Frank Nelson, Sheldon Leonard and
the rest of the second stringers. Some of the finest, wittiest writing
(particularly when McGee was making fun of the commercials) in radio went
into those bits, but overall the show lacked the bite of Fred Allen's best
work. On the other hand, it was on the air practically forever and held its
quality very well. Bonus points are awarded since most of the series
survives, a case not enjoyed by Burns and Allen.
Phil Harris / Alice Faye was a great, funny show as well. I take points away
on the longevity front both because the best episodes of the show were
clustered in a couple of seasons, with the earlier Fitch and later Rexall
shows not being as good as the middle Rexall years and because the overall
run of the show doesn't match the others'. At its best, it's probably as good
as FM&M, but the later lasted longer and that counts.
That said, the gap is narrow and I love all of these shows. I can't speak
for anyone beyond myself, but finding a Burns & Allen I haven't heard before
is a major score at conventions and I really look forward to "new" episodes.
I certainly think the show enjoys the respect of the other shows I've
mentioned among collectors -- at least the ones I've spoken with. The
"Gracie for President" series recently unearthed, as well as the episodes
that guest starred Jack Benny, were the highlights for me.
Sean Dougherty
kubelski@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:23:13 -0400
From: "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Log Search
Randy asks;
i have been taking advantage of extra time these last few days in order to
get my collection logged. i have been able to utilize several wonderful
online log sites(thanks jerry, frank, and copperhead!!!!).
unfortunately, i have not been able to find logs for: .......
Hi Randy,
I think you missed a few :-)
We do have logs for;
"Life With Luigi" (I am now in the process of dubbing to CD all of the
shows from this series and will add or update the titles as the shows are
dubbed. This is about a 6-12 month project.)
"First Nighter Program"
"Perry Mason" (partial log)
"Sears Radio Theater" ("Sears Mutual Radio Theater")
"Mayor of the Town"
In the near future we will also be posting logs for;
"Big Town"
"Counterspy"
"Mr. Keen"
"Mr. District Attorney"
Plus several more not on your list.
If you wish to find out more information on these or other series,
you may
go to our Website, The Vintage Radio Place at <[removed]>. Go down to
the "Main Table of Contents" and click on "Vintage Radio Logs." Then just
click on any of the other over 500 logs listed there to view, download or
print out the log(s). All programs with catalog or location numbers are
available for purchase there also on CD, Cassette and other formats.
You may also find these series' listed in our on-line CD / cassette
catalog
which is located at <[removed]> OTRSite On-Line Catalog. To
use this catalog, your browser must be Frames compliant and you should be
running at a resolution setting of 800x600 or higher for best viewing
(although lower resolution settings may be used).
I hope this helps. If you have any other questions, please feel free to
contact me.
Jerry Haendiges <Jerry@[removed];
[removed] The Vintage Radio Place
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 18:23:28 -0400
From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Family Theater
Many of the excellent Family Theater shows are preserved by SPERDVAC.
Indeed, may of the top stars were featured in these shows, put on by the
Catholic Church. Some, but not all, carried a "moral", and were shows in
which all the top west coast actors had roles.
Lois Culver
KWLK Radio (Mutual) Longview, WA 1941-44
KFI Radio (NBC) Los Angeles CA 1945-47, 50-53
Widow of Howard Culver, actor
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:27:06 -0400
From: "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Family Theater
Jim Stokes asked;
Am looking for information about "Family Theater" that I recall running
in the 40s and 50s. There were a lot of stars who took parts in those
dramas.
Hi Jim
Yes, we have a complete log and all of the programs from that series.
If you wish to find out more information on the series, you may go to
our
Website, The Vintage Radio Place at <[removed]>. Go down to the "Main
Table of Contents" and click on "Vintage Radio Logs." Then just click on
"Family Theater," or any of the other over 500 logs listed there to view,
download or print out the log(s). All programs with catalog or location
numbers are available for purchase there also on CD, Cassette and other
formats.
You may also find this series listed in my on-line CD / cassette
catalog
which is located at <[removed]> OTRSite On-Line Catalog. To
use this catalog, your browser must be Frames compliant and you should be
running at a resolution setting of 800x600 or higher for best viewing
(although lower resolution settings may be used).
I hope this helps. If you have any other questions, please feel free to
contact me.
Jerry Haendiges <Jerry@[removed];
[removed] The Vintage Radio Place
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:28:08 -0400
From: Kenneth L Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:Abbott and Costello on OTR
Someone told me that the comedy team of Abbott and Costello
were discovered performing at a night club and were given
their radio show soon afterward. It seems to me that they made
their appearance on Kate Smith's radio show first and got their
radio program after that. Which is closer to the truth?
She may have been thinking of Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy.
As I recall, he did his act at a party for Elsa Maxwell and was asked
to appear on Ruddy Vallee's show. Soon after that he was offered
his own show, sponsored by Chase & Sanborn Coffee.
Kenneth Clarke
kclarke5@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:28:06 -0400
From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Killers
Randy story has put Hal Gibney and Gunsmoke together, a combination I
can't recall. Hal Gibney did announce Dragnet. Could there be a mix-up?
At any rate, I don't remember the special billing.
Harry Bartell
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 19:28:42 -0400
From: dabac@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: A gildersleeve?
I can only venture a guess as to the terms origin, however, judging from
the gildersleeve radio character and the other references made, I would
imagine it to have meant someone who promotes either themself or their
ideas by embroiderng the truth. Somewhat akin to the old term "gilding
the lily".
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:17:41 -0400
From: "Welsa" <welsa@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Archie & Harlan
OK, this is not 100% on topic. But with all the talk about Archie recently,
I couldn't resist mentioning that the other evening I was watching the Red
Green Show on PBS. He was saying that he had recently been reading his
favorite magazine, and held up a copy of Archie Comics. Why am I not
surprised?
Also, I've been meaning to ask Mr. Stone this question for sometime, and
keep forgetting. I'm sure he is asked it quite a bit, but here goes: Are
you any relation to the late Harlan Fiske Stone, US Supreme Court Justice
and former US Attorney General?
Just curious.
Ted
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 20:31:39 -0400
From: "randy story" <BYGEORGE@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: archie on abc
hello, kids.
with this current string re ARCHIE on tv(ugh!), i just thought that i would
mention watching a sunday night sitcom effort on abc back in the late
seventies or early eighties. it, unlike the radio show, presented all of the
ARCHIE characters. if memory serves(don't take any bets there), ted
"if -i-appear-in-your-tv-series-it-is-doomed" mcginley was cast as ARCHIE.
just my two cents worth.
bye, kids.
randy
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:50:44 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: A&A Log
Randy Story [removed]
i have been taking advantage of extra time these last few days in order to
get my collection logged. i have been able to utilize several wonderful
online log sites(thanks jerry, frank, and copperhead!!!!).
unfortunately, i have not been able to find logs for:
AMOS & ANDY(are you there, elizabeth?)
I've been working on a definitive A&A log for several years, but am still
quite a ways from completing the task. (Currently I'm immersed in
finishing summaries of the original scripts for 1932 -- I'm now in
mid-October, and hope to have them ready for posting on my website by the
end of the month.)
I hadn't intended to release the log of the sitcom-era episodes until I
had filled in all the holes, but due to numerous requests, I've put the
incomplete version on line as part of the "Cast and Credits" section of
my website, at [removed]~[removed]. Please note
that this particular page is very much a work in progress, and should be
viewed as such.
The dates for each season *are* confirmed correct thru multiple sources,
-- so if you have an A&A episode which carries a date outside the scope
of the seasons given, you can be confident that the date is incorrect.
(This applies specifically to various circulating AFRS versions with
bogus dates in July and August.)
I have titles for approximately 300 of the 426 sitcom episodes aired, but
there are still approximately 120 episodes for which descriptions have
yet to be obtained. As the blanks are filled in, I'll be updating the
page, so please be wary of any unauthorized copies of the log that might
start showing up elsewhere on the web.
Elizabeth
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:23:17 -0400
From: "Jeff Oransky" <oransky@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: INTRODUCTION
In one of the posts Jeff Oransky mentioned that there is a recreated
version of "Temple of Vampires." I would very much like to obtain a copy
of this version. Any information on a source would be appreciated.
Regards, Richard Bauman aka Bear
Hello Richard. I am also a big ILAM fan, though I never got to hear the
originals. I have mp3 versions of the Temple of Vampires and I donated them
to the Unofficial ILAM web site. You can get them at:
[removed] .
I am interested in your synopses and would like to make web pages out of
them, like the ones that exist at the above mentioned ILAM website. Please
email me at oransky@[removed] if you would like to arrange something. I can
scan in existing documents and build web pages from them.
Jeff Oransky
oransky@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:04:32 -0400
From: michael berger <intercom1@[removed];
To: otr <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: InfoPls panelists
A few clarifications about Information Please, ref Mr.
Wolfe's post:
The panel: the sports expert was not FP Adams, who was a brilliant general
columnist, but John Kieran (not Walter Kiernan), who wrote a sports and
outdoors column for the NY Times.
But regardless of specialties, the joy of IP is the impressive literary
knowledge of all the regulars [FPA, as he was known, and Kieran routinely
quote from Shakespeare or the great poets in answer to queries which were
sent in by listeners and then screened by the IP producers, who included the
father of the famous sportswriter Roger Kahn).
Another IP trademark is the marvelous ad-libbing that enlivened every show,
and Levant's wisecracks as well as his musical talents are always great fun.
Also, as Levant frequently was off on appearances and
other business, there were two and sometimes three
guests, including a wide range of professions: film directors (Alfred
Hitchcock and Walter Wanger), writers (Dorothy Parker and Edna Ferber),
lyricists (Moss Hart) and sports figures (Bill Tilden, Gene Tunney, Red
Barber).
It was a great show and thanks to OTR collectors, it still is.
I listened to the Gracie Allen show again just the
other day, and she was delightful, providing a couple
of answers right off the bat and later in the show as
well, at one point murmuring, "Oh, I wish my mother
could see me now!"
Michael Berger
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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 04:15:30 -0400
From: "mutineer" <mutineer@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Green Acres trivia
Mr. Haney's first name was Eustace, however when his nephew (the state
trooper) pulled him over, he addressed him as Uncle Charlton. It is fitting
for a con-man as renown as Mr. Haney to have a few aliases.
On radio the part of Eb was played by Parley Baer. On TV, Mississippi
native, Tom Lester, played Eb. Here is a real piece of trivia, Tom Lester's
Los Angeles acting coach was Lurene Tuttle.
Jim
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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:15:43 -0400
From: "George Coppen" <gacoppen@[removed];
To: "otr digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: repeat request
I have made this request a year or so ago and wasnt able to find even one
program that exists so I will try again: does anyone have a copy, good or
bad of at least one program from the series that was broadcast on CBC called
.....L For [removed] I hope my spelling is correct. I thank
[removed]
gacoppen@[removed]
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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:36:08 -0400
From: "Dave DiSisto" <ddisist1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Family Theater
This is in response to Jim Stokes inquiry concerning Family Theater. I have
a collection of Family Theater shows aired over the Mutual Broadcasting
System. I have only begun listening to them and so far each show has had a
different host. Many outstanding actors and actresses of the day apparently
donated their time for this series that was very religious oriented. A
quite often used phrase is, "The family the prays together, stays together."
If this is the series Mr. Stokes is referring to, 324 shows are available
from Shawn's Old Time Radio Shop. I also invite readers to visit the Old
Time Radio page of my site at [removed].
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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:36:06 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Hopalong Cassidy
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 21:30:53 -0400
From: Jack Harris <jack@[removed];
However the Name Hopalong Cassidy is out of copyright so
we are still trying to find out what can be done.
There is no such thing as copyrighting a name. What you need to do is
find out whether there is currently an active trademark.
If the TV or radio programs are still under copyright, you can't
distribute them, regardless of whether the trademark rights to the name
have expired.
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed]
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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:37:27 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Archie Cast Characters
My friend Gavin from South Africa posted the following.
(By the way, the rest of you get to call him Dr. Pillay). He told me I
could use his first name. Wow! How often will a Doctor let you do that?
Keeping with the current Archie/Henry thread of discussion.
I would be interested to know if some of the characters that were
in the comic , viz, Reggie,Moose,Dilton,Mr. Weatherbee and Ms Grundy
ever made an appearance in the radio show.
You betcha, Gavin. (I like doing that!) [removed] Gavin (he!he!) I can answer
that. But first;
From the handful of shows I've been able to listen to, it seems to be
centred more around the Andrews [removed] particularly Fred, whereas the
comics
were centred around Archie.
Any Views on this ?
Well, in my "grown up" career as a producer/Director, I learned that the
bottom line (Budget & costs) drove almost all decision making.
No different in Radio back in those days.
When the "Archie" show first went on the Air for NBC, even though it was
"sustaining", (no Sponsor), NBC gave it the full "treatment". We even had a
live studio orchestra, maybe 8 to 10 pieces. NBC committed to a fairly
substantial budget to attract listeners. In those early days, we definitely
used more of the comic book Characters to "flesh" out the cast, as well as
the story lines. We didn't have a studio audience until we developed a
following, and then the requests for tickets came pouring in.
Reggie, Mrs. Grundy, Mr. Weatherbee, and "Archie's" other Teenage "chums"
would be written into the show at the writers discretion. (I'm certain he
was given a budget as to how many other "Characters" he could add in any
given period of time. If Archie and Jyghead went to the circus, we might
meet up with the Fat Lady. Another episode might be the local cop on the
street, on my "Uncle Herman". You get the point.
I loved those days, because we would have a steady stream of great OTR
talent who would work the show on occasion. To tell the truth, I don't
remember who played Reggie, (maybe a few different ones over the years) but
Arthur Maitland usually played Mr. Weatherby, and Joan Shay would frequently
play Mrs. Grundy. (In addition to playing Mrs. Lodge (Veronica's mother) and
occasionally substituting for Alice Yourman ("Mrs. Andrews") when Alice was
ill). Many times, multi voiced talent like Joan Shay would practically be
"regulars" on the show if they were liked by the Director, and "fit in" with
the others. Joan Shay was one of my favorites. As was Pat Hosley, Art
Carney, (before he became too busy in TV), Ed Begley, and many many more.
But as Radio revenues began to decline for the Networks, sustaining programs
either got "lopped" off the air, or at the very least, suffered budgetary
constraints. Archie, due to it's popularity, stayed on. Over the
approximately 10 years of it's run, we were only sponsored for about a year
and 13 weeks. So I'd have to guess that for the first five years, we had a
wide variety of situations that required additional performers. For the
latter period, I guess Carl Jampel (The writer) was required to use a less
expensive formula.
As for those later programs being centered around "Fred", the Father? That
was purely a device or formula that seemed to work for the writer. Mr.
Andrews was a perfect foil for all the trouble that Archie could get into.
At least the studio audience seemed to love watching his increased
frustration, culminating in blowing his top with the "frenzied" "Quiet!.
Quiet!, QUIET!!! routine that was usually a recurring "bit" or "Sthick" in
many of the later shows. The kids enjoyed watching the High Jinks of Archie
and Jughead drive the "father figure" up a wall. Sort of Child Like devilish
delight at seeing an authority figure practically reduced to [removed]
Gavin! Do you suppose I could hang out my shingle as a "PHD"?.
There's lots more I could add to the topic, but I gotta save something for
the book, right?
<THEN GAVIN CLOSED WITHŠŠ>
[removed] oh and Relax .. Hal Stone ..... Relaxxxxx :)
(It's certainly is wonderful to hear comments from a live radio star heh )
And I say it certainly is wonderful to be able to call a Doctor by his
first name for a change :)
Keep well, Gavin, and keep the rest of South Africa the same way.
Regards, "Jughead" (Turn about is fair play. You can call me Jug)
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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 09:37:25 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Origin of Gildersleeve
Subject: Gildersleeve
I can hold my silence no longer. It is quite simple. The name Gildersleeve
is taken from the Old English system of using one's occupation or profession
as a surname.
For instance, my English ancestors were Stone Masons, hence the name Stone.
Other quite common names passed down through the centuries were, Farmer,
Miller, Wright, Cooper, etc. etc.
It is obvious that the name Gildersleeve has been misspelled in the
intervening years, creating the confusion as to it's origin. The correct
spelling is Guildersleeve.
In the Middle Ages, people didn't have pockets in their tights, so they had
no place to carry loose change, other than in a "purse" belted about their
middle, or hung over a shoulder. Obviously an easy mark for bandits that
lurked about in Sherwood Forest. Then someone came up with the bright idea
to design a "Coat Sleeve" with hidden crevices in which to hide coins. (Or
Guilders). Hence, one who made such garments were called "Guildersleeve"
Or were Guilders "Dutch" currency back then? No Matter.
And if you don't buy that explanation, I suggest you research the Complete
Works of William Shakespeare. It sounds like a Character he would create.
Gotta go name. It's time to take my tranquilizer.
Hal (A Jughead by any other name)
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