Subject: [removed] Digest V2009 #235
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Date: 12/9/2009 10:18 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2009 : Issue 235
                             A Part of the [removed]!
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                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      CBS and the blacklist                 [ "khovard@[removed]" <khovard@[removed] ]
      Re: [removed]                       [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
      Re: lengthy music on Cinnamon Bear    [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      Re: The Cinnamon Bear                 [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      That pesky music on Cinnamon Bear     [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]

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    Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:27:19 -0500
    From: "khovard@[removed]" <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  CBS and the blacklist

    I read with interest Kermit Anderson's posting about the blacklist

    Partly out of  respect to Charlie who has been in the middle of at least
    several raging arguments about the blacklist on this forum, I do not intend
    to get into another one of them. I would just say the following:

     I did a very lengthy interview for my book, WORDS AT WAR: WORLD WAR  II ERA
    RADIO AND THE BROADCASTING INDUSTRY BLACKLIST (Scarecrow Press, 2002)
    (actually two interviews) of the late and great CBS writer, Allan Sloane, at
    his home in Connecticut in the late 90s. I also interviewed Arthur Miller,
    Norman Corwin and a variety of other writers and actors who were affected by
    the blacklist.

    I must say that in the case of Sloane, because he was one of those people who
    named names before a congressional committee, I approached the first
    interview with a strong bias that I would dislike the man. But in fact I
    found him extremely likable. It was very clear that he had a terribly guilty
    conscience which had plagued him for decades, In relation to his role as
    stool pigeon.

    No doubt with the approaching 50th anniversary of the publication of RED
    CHANNELS this coming spring, The issue of the blacklist is likely to be
    discussed in various media.

    Howard Blue
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    Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:27:33 -0500
    From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: [removed]

    [removed]

    I may be short a [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:54:30 -0500
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: lengthy music on Cinnamon Bear
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    In a message dated 12/8/2009 8:28:45 [removed] Central Standard Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

>     Why the  lengthy 1:50 instrumental music at the start and end of each
>     episode?

>     There's not even any voiceover, giving things like the actors'  names, or
>     such-like (such as you'd hear at the end of a show on The Mercury  Theatre,
>     for example).

    My understanding has always been, this is where local announcers usually
    introduced the show with the station's call letters and a billboard for w
    hatever  department store sponsored the show in that city and maybe their
    motto.
      Perhaps they'd even read a quick commercial.  Remember this was a
    syndicated show.

    Dixon

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    Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:54:38 -0500
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: The Cinnamon Bear
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    A question I just answered (or tried to answer) about "The Cinnamon Bear"
    has inspired me to renew my question, or rather, my hope: are there any
    existing  recordings of "The Cinnamon Bear" from an actual local broadcast
    back
    in the  day?  With the actual department store commercials, local announcer,
    maybe  call letters and time check, etc?  What's the oldest direct-air
    recording  of the series known to exist, if any?  My understanding is the show
    was  rerun as late as the late 1950s so maybe there are copies floating
    around  with recorded department store jingles integrated, or am I just
    fantasizing? The only copies I hear (I download them every year) are
    apparently the
    syndication masters, hence the lengthy music at the beginning and  end.

    Dixon

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    Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 09:55:39 -0500
    From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  That pesky music on Cinnamon Bear

    Glenn wants to know the reason for what he terms a strange wasting of
    valuable air time with the musical intros and closings on The
    Cinnamon Bear.

    Well, they're not strange and they're not wasting airtime. Most of
    30s syndicated shows have this same feature, as a quick listen to
    "Adventures of Black and Blue," "Junior G-Men," "Si and Elmer,"
    "Jerry of the Circus," "Speed Gibson," etc. will demonstrate. East of
    these musical bits usually run at least a minute and sometime 75 or
    90 seconds.

    The economic reason for it is that's how they got those shows on the
    air. The local announcer would place the sponsor's pitch over the
    music at the beginning and the end. The show's syndicators had told
    these stations in advance exactly how long the music lasted so the
    local stations could write the announcer's pitch to the correct
    length. Having this music underneath the commercial solidified the
    relationship between sponsor and show.

    Without these commercials, many of these programs would never have
    been aired.

    Today we listen to these shows, without the commercials of course,
    and the intro and closing music does seem long. I suggest two
    options: hit the fast forward switch or compose your own commercials
    and read them over the music and see if you can time them perfectly.

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
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    Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 02:12:01 -0500
    From: charlie@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

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