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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2007 : Issue 54
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Fran Striker's sidekicks              [ Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed]; ]
      Bad Indians                           [ "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
      "The Big Lie"                         [ Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed]; ]
      T. L. Ranger aka Kemosabe             [ Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed]; ]
      October 21st, 1945                    [ "Jerry Haendiges" <jerryhaendiges@c ]
      James Andelin                         [ mmartini@[removed] ]
      Vic& Sade Announcer                   [ "Jay Manarky" <jayman@[removed]; ]
      The Lone Ranger, on and on!           [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
      air dates                             [ fangle <fangle@[removed]; ]
      Dark Eyes Mean Danger                 [ "Robert Birchard" <bbirchard@earthl ]
      2-16 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      The Grandmother Project               [ Larry Maupin <mpn_lrry@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:14:26 -0500
    From: Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fran Striker's sidekicks

    Mark Kinsler says (of the Lone Ranger and Tonto):

>     Every other hero
>     ...suffered the company of either a kid or a bumbler, and Tonto was
>     neither.

    He goes on to note that they are rather equal in stature.

    Fran Striker wrote the Lone Ranger, the Green Hornet, and Sgt Preston,
    and he gave them all sidekicks with two things in common:  They were
    not-white-men partnered with white men, and English was not their native
    language.  (Yukon King spoke dog).

    The main purpose of the sidekick was to give the hero a conduit to the
    audience; by explaining his thinking to the sidekick, he also explained
    to the listener.

    I don't remember Tonto ever solving a mystery or explaining a clue to the
    Ranger, but I could be wrong - anybody have any examples?

    ---Dan

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    Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:57:47 -0500
    From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Bad Indians

    Misty Lane should never say 'never" in discussing what Indians appear "bad"
    in Lone Ranger scripts.  Fran Striker and other writers did not exclusively
    choose the Apaches for their Native American villains.  There are many
    episodes in which the Comanches are up to no good, including one in which
    the Ranger and a pioneer wife are trapped in a sod hut and the masked man
    saves one bullet for the woman to end her life rather than submit to
    capture.

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    Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:58:12 -0500
    From: Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "The Big Lie"
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    I remember when I got out of the Army in 1962, the radio program, "The Big
    Lie" would play excerpts from Shortwave broadcasts of Radio Moscow, Radio
    Peking, Radio Havana, Radio Berlin International, Radio Prague, Radio
    Budapest and other communist stations around the world, and then several
    commentors would refute and correct "The Big Lie?"How long was that program
    on the air, and where did it originate from?They would start each broadcast
    with the Interval Signals of all those countries identification ID'[removed] it
    privately sponsored or was it some government organization like  the
    Government Office Of Information?As a shortwave radio enthusiast back in the
    1960's,70's, and 80's,I found it very intriqueing, interesting, and
    [removed] should revive it for countries likeI ran and Syria.

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    Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:58:26 -0500
    From: Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  T. L. Ranger aka Kemosabe

    I hate to argue with Chet about Mr. Ranger's first name. It is obvious to
    me
    that Lone is the middle name.
    Cheers, Ed Kindred

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    Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:59:14 -0500
    From: "Jerry Haendiges" <jerryhaendiges@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  October 21st, 1945

    Hi friends,

    	Here is a list of programs from our archive database for October
    21st, 1945.

    	By the way, I'm posting this to the Digest as well as to the
    original poster to let everyone know that this is very simple list to
    compile and if any of you ever need one in the future, just let me know the
    date (or date range) you want and I'll be happy to compile it for you.

    This give the Series, date, Episode Number and Title (when available)

    CHARLOTTE GREENWOOD SHOW   10-21-45   54 HEDDA HOPPER TRIES TO HELP
    CHARLIE MCCARTHY SHOW      10-21-45  376 FRED ALLEN
    ETERNAL LIGHT              10-21-45   55 TAHMUD
    FITCH BANDWAGON            10-21-45      GUEST: GLEN GRAY
    FRED ALLEN SHOW            10-21-45    3 HILLBILLY
    GREAT GILDERSLEEVE         10-21-45  181 LIGHTFOOT VISITS LEILA
    HARVEST OF STARS           10-21-45    4 SERENADE
    JACK BENNY SHOW            10-21-45    4 JACK DREAMS OF THE RACE HORSE TE
    LEAR RADIO SHOW            10-21-45    5
    NELSON EDDY SHOW           10-21-45   48
    NICK CARTER, MASTER DETECT 10-21-45  206 AMBASSADOR OF DEATH
    OZZIE AND HARRIET          10-21-45   11
    QUIZ KIDS                  10-21-45  279
    RADIO HALL OF FAME         10-21-45   97
    REQUEST PERFORMANCE        10-21-45    3 GUESTS: ORSON WELLES, EDDIE BRAC
    SHADOW                     10-21-45    7 BAYOU
    THEATER GUILD ON THE AIR   10-21-45    7 SING OUT, SWEET LAND

    	Have a Great Day,

    	     Jerry Haendiges

    Jerry@[removed]
    [removed]
         [removed]
    The Vintage Radio Place

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    Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:00:27 -0500
    From: mmartini@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  James Andelin

    Hi all,
    I don't know if this was mentioned already, but I just found out actor James
    Andelin passed away December 27th (I'm pretty sure his birth is listed in Mr.
    Sayles's list).... Jim was 89.   While most of his career was spent as a
    Chicago-based character actor in TV, voice-overs and film (he had a bit part
    in Field of Dreams), radio fans should note that he started his career in
    radio at age 13 when he played Skippy in Seckatary Hawkins in 1931, I think.
    He also had occasional bit parts in Little Orphan Annie and Jack Armstrong.
    He was a great guy who enjoyed talking about the "good old days" of
    broadcasting.
    -Mike Martini

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    Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:50:40 -0500
    From: "Jay Manarky" <jayman@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Vic& Sade Announcer
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          An announcer for Vic & Sade in 1941 called himself Mel (sometimes
    Melvin)
          [removed]  Could that by any chance be the same Mel Allen who was the
    voice of the New York Yankees on radio?

          Try as I might I simply cannot detect any similarity in the voices. Who
    knows?  Maybe Mel .Allen was not the name of either. But then again, maybe it
    was the name of both.

          Jay Manarky

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    Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:00:50 -0500
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Lone Ranger, on and on!

>     Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:12:07 -0500
>     From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];

>      As to what Dan called his uncle, he practically never used the
>     word "uncle".  He respectfully called the Ranger "sir" and
>     referred to him as The Lone Ranger in the third person.

    Thank you.  I guess that puts those issues to rest.

>     Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:14:55 -0500
>     From: "Misty D. Lane" <misty@[removed];

>     One thing to note is that on The Lone Ranger the only bad Indian was
>     an "Apache".  They never made any reference to the other Tribes as
>     negative.

    But of course there was the cartoon on a Lone Ranger LP in the 1970s,
    which showed the LR and Tonto surrounded by hostile Indians.  The LR
    says, "It looks like we're finished, Tonto!"  And Tonto says, "What
    you mean 'we'?

    On a more serious note, am I correct in thinking that Tonto's tribal
    affiliation was never revealed?

>     Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:21:13 -0500
>     From: "CHET" <voxpop@[removed];

>     i hate to disagree with frank mcgurn via stephen [removed],jr but
>     the ranger's first name obviously is "LONE"

    No, that's his middle name.  As I pointed out a couple of weeks ago,
    his first name is "The."

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 Fax [removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:01:05 -0500
    From: fangle <fangle@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  air dates

>     Ideally I would like to
>     recreate 3-4 shows from the evening they were married. Does anyone have
>     any ideas for shows from this date?

    I've found a site listing all radio logs from the NY Times, Chicago Times,
    Washington Post, and the LA Times for the 1940s.  Apparently the '30s and
    the '50s will be posted next.  You can look up the actual scans of the
    radio equivalent of the TV listings found in newspapers today.

    The site is located at [removed]

    I hope this helps,

    Ed

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    Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:01:26 -0500
    From: "Robert Birchard" <bbirchard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dark Eyes Mean Danger
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        Well this is sort of off topic--because it deals with that other medium,
    you know, radio with pictures, but this goes back to the experimental days in
    the 1930s and perhaps some one of you might have some information.

        I have several unidentified NBC stills from the late 1930s and early
    1940s related to early experimental television in New York.  One, however,
    does have a title on the back:  "Dark Eyes Mean Danger."  Anyone know when
    the was broadcast, my guess is ca. 1937-'38., but I'd love to find an exact
    day and time--also cast members.

        Thanks in advance.

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    Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:01:39 -0500
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  2-16 births/deaths

    February 16th births

    02-16-1884 - Bert Kalmer - NYC - d. 9-17-1947
    lyricist: "You Bet Your Life"
    02-16-1884 - Joe Smith - NYC - d. 2-22-1981
    comedian: (Smith and Dale) "Al Jolson"; "Kate Smith"
    02-16-1893 - Katherine Cornell - Berlin, Germany - d. 6-8-1974
    actor: "Tribute to Ethel Barrymore"; "Victory Clothing Collection"
    02-16-1896 - Alexander Brailowsky - Kiev, Ukriane, Russia - d. 4-25-1976
    pianist: "Music America Loves Best"; "New York Philharmonic"
    02-16-1900 - Albert Hackett - NYC - d. 3-16-1995
    playwright: "Star Spangled Theatre"
    02-16-1901 - Chester Morris - NYC - d. 9-11-1979
    actor: Boston Blackie "Boston Blackie"; Great Merlini "Great Merlini"
    02-16-1902 - Leif Eid - Idaho - d. 3-28-1976
    nbc bureau chief: Washington, Ottawa and Paris
    02-16-1903 - Edgar Bergen - Chicago, IL - d. 9-30-1978
    ventriloquist: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
    02-16-1903 - Norman Shelley - d. 8-22-1980
    actor: John H. Watson "Corner In Crime, Saturday Night Theatre"
    02-16-1904 - George F. Kennan - Milwaukee, WI - d. 3-17-2005
    post world war two diplomat: "Meet the Press"
    02-16-1904 - James Baskett - Indianapolis, IN - d. 7-9-1948
    actor: Gabby Gibson "Amos 'n' Andy"
    02-16-1905 - Carleton D. Smith - d. 4-27-1984
    announcer/executive: "Fireside Chat with FDR"
    02-16-1909 - Hugh Beaumont - Lawrence, KS - d. 5-14-1982
    actor: Appeared on radio in 1931
    02-16-1909 - Jeffrey Lynn - Auburn, MA - d. 11-24-1995
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Hallmark Playhouse:' "MGM Theatre of the
    Air"
    02-16-1910 - Del Sharbutt - Ft. Worth, TX - d. 4-26-2002
    announcer: "Hobby Lobby"; "Jack Benny Program"; "Victory Theatre"
    02-16-1910 - Jerry Lester - Chicago, IL - d. 3-23-1995
    actor: John Benson "Life of Mary Sothern"
    02-16-1914 - Jimmy Wakely - Mineola, AR - d. 9-23-1982
    country singer: "All-Star Western Theatre"; "Hollywood Barn Dance"
    02-16-1915 - Carlotta Dale - Ardmore, PA
    vocalist: "Music for Moderns"; "Rhapsody in Rhythm"
    02-16-1915 - Dorothy Lovett - Providence, RI - d. 4-28-1998
    actor: Libby Collins "Lux Radio Theatre"
    02-16-1915 - Leah Ray - Norfolk, VA - d. 5-27-1999
    vocalist: (The Phil Harris Band) "Tommy Riggs and Betty Lou"
    02-16-1917 - George Neise - Chicago, IL - d. 4-14-1996
    actor: "The Judy Canova Show"; "The Man Called X"
    02-16-1918 - Patty Andrews - Mound, MN
    singer (Andrews Sisters) "Andrews Sisters Revue"
    02-16-1926 - Vera-Ellen - Cincinnati, OH - d. 8-30-1981
    actor: "Martin and Lewis Show"; "Tony Awards"; "Bud's Bandwagon"
    02-16-1932 - Gretchen Wyler - Bartlesville, OK
    singer-actor: "Sounds of Freedom"

    February 16th deaths

    01-19-1932 - George Mann MacBeth - Lanarkshire, Scotland - d. 2-16-1992
    poet, producer: BBC Radio
    02-09-1912 - Bob Hannon - Chicago, IL - d. 2-16-1993
    singer: "American Melody Hour"; "Waltz Time"
    03-18-1911 - Smiley Burnette - Summum, IL - d. 2-16-1967
    host, comedian: "Smiley Burnette Show"; "Hollywood Hotel"
    04-12-1914 - Ken Williams - Canada - d. 2-16-1984
    actor: Brian Wells "David Harum"
    05-04-1909 - Howard Da Silva - Cleveland, OH - d. 2-16-1986
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Forecast"; "Suspense"
    07-03-1920 - Louise Allbritton - Oklahoma City, OK - d. 2-16-1979
    actor: "Screen Guild Theatre"; "This Is My Best"; "Cavalcade of America"
    08-01-1912 - Ronnie Kemper - Missoula, MT - d. 2-16-1997
    bandleader: "Ronnie Kemper"; "Horace Heidt Orchestra"
    08-03-1911 - Ken Patterson - Montana - d. 2-16-1990
    actor: "Dragnet"
    09-29-1907 - Richard Harkness - Artesian, SD - d. 2-16-1977
    newscaster: NBC network, occassionally filled in for [removed] Kaltenborn
    11-30-1915 - Brownie McGhee - Knoxville, TN - d. 2-16-1996
    blues guitarist, singer: "New World A' Coming"; "This Is Jazz)

    Ron Sayles
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    Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:04:40 -0500
    From: Larry Maupin <mpn_lrry@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Grandmother Project
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    In reply to Tom Barrett.  The website [removed] will allow you
    to identify programs aired 10/21/45 on stations in four major [removed] cities.
    That should be a good jumping off point for your very thoughtful project.  I
    hope it goes well.

      Larry Maupin

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