Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #47
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 2/9/2001 9:10 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                      The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                         Volume 01 : Issue 47
                    A Part of the [removed]!


                           Today's Topics:

 Re: Paul Harvey                      [wa5pdk@[removed] ([removed] L.)         ]
 Trini Lopez Interview Update         [Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed]; ]
 SOME MORE UNCLE DON!!                [HAY EWE! <cien@[removed];         ]
 THE OLD PHILOSIPHER                  ["Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
 Stand By For News!                   ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
 Suspense Show Title, Date, Requested [GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@]
 Bill Stern & Paul Harvey             [GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@]
 Re: Continental Broadcasting Corpora [Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed]]
 Dale Evans                           [Marklambert@[removed]                 ]
 Re: More East and West               [Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed]]
 Weddings                             ["Welsa" <welsa@[removed];        ]
 Need help remembering a forgotten br [John Henley <jhenley@[removed]]
 Paul Harvey's Early Radio Days       ["David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@rivnet]
 Re: Uncle Don                        [Garry Lewis <glewis@[removed]]
 The Lone Ranger's Name -- Again and  ["Ed Kindred" <kindred@[removed];  ]
 Paul Harvey                          [Jerry Lewine <radiojerry@fastpointc]
 Lone Ranger & Purple Heart           ["jacques boudreault" <jackb67@hotma]
 Paul Harvey                          ["George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm]
 Re: David Soul as The Shadow         ["David L. Easter" <david-easter@hom]
 Re: Paul Harvey                      ["David L. Easter" <david-easter@hom]
 The Old Philosopher = Eddie Lawrence [KENPILETIC@[removed]                 ]

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 00:24:16 -0500
From: wa5pdk@[removed] ([removed] L.)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Paul Harvey

I recall listening to Paul Harvey when I was in college in Chicago,
around 1949-1950.   I think he spoke with a more rapid delivery then
than he does today. I could be wrong, but I seem to recall he had a beer
commercial among his sponsors.  I also recall that he was on a UFO kick
at the [removed] caught trying to enter a restricted area, raising
his hands and exclaiming, "Don't Shoot!! Paul Harvey, ABC news!"  We
laughed about it at the time.  Another thing I remember is
 he had a segment called, "For what it's worth column.".....He said that
so quickly that  I, being from Texas, got the impression that he was
saying he had some news about Fort [removed] kinda confused me for
a while there.
I like Paul Harvey.  Hope he continues on for several more years.

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 00:37:46 -0500
From: Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Trini Lopez Interview Update

The live interview with Trini Lopez on the Yesterday USA Radio Networks will
be at 6:00 EASTERN time, Sunday, February 11 at [removed] during
the Bill Bragg Sunday Night Show.   As always, log on at this same site for
OTR programming schedules and details around the clock.  Future interviews
include Don Cornell, Jerry Vale, Tony Curtis, and many more great
entertainers.
Duane Keilstrup

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 01:07:22 -0500
From: HAY EWE! <cien@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  SOME MORE UNCLE DON!!

IN RE TO
A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
 last posting  ...

if it's an urban legend then why was uncle don fired???
cn

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 01:12:55 -0500
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  THE OLD PHILOSIPHER

       In answer to the posting of the name of the comedian who was known as
"The Old Philosipher," his name was Eddie Lawrence. I have a Video of a
filmed Ama tuer Hour Broadcast, and he was the winner on that broadcast
doing impre4ssions and that routine of "cheer up spunky".

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                         FRED ALLEN QUIPS

   Not only did Fred Allen have choice words about audiences, he had a few
for Network Executives as well.  Here is a gem:
. . . "You can take all the sincerity of a Network Executive, place it in a
gnat's navel, and still have room left over for three three VP's and a
Producer". And this he said on the air!  Only Fred Allen could get away with
that one!

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:24:05 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Stand By For News!

Tom Kleinschmidt notes,

I can no longer listen to Paul Harvey. Every time I hear him, I just
think that he's stealing from Bill Stern. His style and delivery are
about 80-90% Bill Stern, which leaves very little original
stuff. <<

Elizabeth McLeod observes,

Harvey owes a great deal to the tradition of the OTR-era commentator --
in fact, he *is* an OTR era commentator, having begun his ABC run in
[removed];<

I'd previously pointed out that Paul Harvey was a vestige of OTR, along
with sportscasts and the Metropolitan Opera broadcasts.   Having heard
the various earlier commentators as I was growing up, I get some
enjoyment turning on a radio today and hearing the same sort of
commentary these days.

I first heard Paul Harvey in the early 1960s when I was in Huntsville,
AL, working on the Apollo Project.  I'd tuned into him by accident, and
was immediately taken by the nostalgic feeling of the show.  Of course,
when I was working, I'd usually not be able to listen to him, but when I
was on vacation or unemployed, I'd try to catch him.  I still enjoy the
comfortable OTR familiarity of his delivery, swiped or not.

That's the rest of _my_ story.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:24:07 -0500
From: GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Suspense Show Title, Date, Requested

     For all the years I've been collecting SUSPENSE,
I've never tracked down one of the few episodes I
clearly remember listening to on the air.
     It dates from circa 1956-1958, when I was 14-17
years old.
     Here's the plot, so far as I remember it: man has
blackouts and his sleep has become extremely deep - so
much so that he begins wondering if he might be the
serial murderer terrorizing the neighborhood.
     His wife, bless her kind heart, insists that he
is and should turn himself into the police.
     By the end of the episode we learn that wifey IS
the murderer, and she's been keeping her husband
drugged so that he will not be aware when she is out
of the house on her nefarious rounds.
     Could this be one of the few missing shows?
     Thanks for any information!

GWAGNEROLDTIMERADIO@[removed] (George Wagner)

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:24:09 -0500
From: GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Bill Stern & Paul Harvey

     I'm not certain it's fair to suggest that Paul
Harvey "stole" his style from Bill Stern.
     Because if we did that, wouldn't we also have to
accuse Rod Serling of "stealing" his TWILIGHT ZONE
narrations from Arch Oboler?

GWAGNEROLDTIMERADIO@[removed] (George Wagner - who
stole his style of speaking from Donald Duck)

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 08:58:00 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Continental Broadcasting Corporation

Brian Johnson wonders,

"The Continental Broadcasting Corporation, from it's studios in Hollywood,
California, presents now the three charming Boswell [removed]"

Was this an actual network or a syndication service?

Continental was one of the major producers of unsponsored transcription
shows during the early thirties -- usually ten-to-twelve minute straight
music or song-and-patter features using Hollywood-based radio talent. The
Boswell series, produced in 1930, followed the sisters' successful stint
at the Warner Brothers station, KFWB -- and helped pave the way for their
network success on the Baker's Chocolate program the following year.

Other notable Continental productions included the "Tom and Wash Laugh
Club," which featured Tom Breneman, formerly of KFWB and KNX, in a
one-man show in which he played himself and a blackface comic type named
"Wash," and "Cliff and Lolly," a basic two-man patter team show featuring
Cliff Arquette and "Lolly Gookins."

Continental was one of the early users of 16" discs for syndication, and
those that I've seen were pressed by Columbia's west coast plant.  The
company seems to have dropped out of the picture by 1934.

Elizabeth

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:20:49 -0500
From: Marklambert@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Dale Evans

Once again, the media stories of a star's death
fail to mention her OTR work.

I always follow up such stories with a letter to the
editor.  But first, I want to get my facts straight:

I know I've heard Dale Evans on lots of "Edgar Bergen &
Charlie McCarthy" programs.  I presume she was a
regular singer on the show.  Anyone know details
with dates?   Any other OTR work of significance I
should mention in my letter?

I always love zinging the Des Moines Register for
these oversights -- the newspaper that recently wrote
an "Famous Iowans" column about Meredith Willson
that focused on The Music Man, and totally ignored
his work on OTR and the Armed Forces Radio.

By the way, for those people I promised copies of
the "Famous Iowans" columns about Harriet Nelson
and Don Ameche (which do mention their OTR work),
I haven't forgotten you, just haven't gotten them in
the mail yet.   Anyone else who wants a copy of
these two columns, e-mail your POSTAL address to
me.

Thanks again for any help on my Dale Evans questions.

--Mark
[removed]
[removed]

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:20:51 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: More East and West

steven kostelecky wrote:

I understand about transcriptions
and taping shows for use in other time zones, but I was wondering about the
differences in performance between first and second broadcasts and whether
or not there were recordings of the same program in different performances
to be used for comparison.

It depends on who was doing the recording and for what purpose. Usually,
when NBC recorded a program for its Central Files, only one version would
be recorded -- and more often than not, this was the one heard in New
York. However, it's possible that a performer or the agency might have
recorded the "second show." For example, two recordings exist of Jack
Benny's 5/5/40 program, which originated in New York: one made by NBC-New
York and the other by Benny's regular aircheck service, Electro-Vox in
Hollywood. There is little significant difference between the two
programs so far as performance is concerned. The Western feed of this
show does contain an apparent network patching error: you hear the first
few minutes of a Matty Malneck band remote before the engineer manages to
switch over to Benny.

Another possible exception to this rule would be a case where for some
reason the recording of the early broadcast was damaged while being cut.
I have a disc of a 1937 NBC Blue musical program which runs fine until
the last two minutes, when it hits a very bad skip --- as though the
thread got tossed into the path of the recording head. The label for this
side is marked in red "DEFECTIVE," and the other side of the disc
contains an undamaged recording of the 11:15pm show for the West. This is
the only disc in the series in which both the East and West shows were
recorded, and the two broadcasts are substantively identical. This
probably didn't happen very often, but the availability of two feeds came
in handy for the recording engineers when it did!

For example, the Fred Allen shows performed at
midnight must have had a great deal of difference in feel from the earlier
broadcast, especially considering the audiences present.

A significant run of Fred Allen "second shows" from 1940 surfaced a few
years ago on the West Coast -- partial airchecks which include just the
comedy portion of the programs, omitting music and commercials. While
most of the eastern shows from this run are not available for
comparision, in listening to these western airchecks they seem quite a
bit looser than the usual tone of Allen's surviving eastern broadcasts.
Allen seems quite edgy, and his ad-libs come across as a bit more snide
than in the eastern shows -- and the audience seems a bit "slower" for
want of a better term. Allen himself was well aware of this, having
complained to his producer that the late crowd seemed capable of
understanding "only the stupidest material."

Allen may sound like a bitter misanthrope in his view of studio audiences
-- but he strongly believed that radio was for listeners at home, and not
for crowds of saps, yaps, and yahoos who were more interested in gawking
at celebrities than in actually appreciating the content of the show.
Although Allen was not above pandering to the crowd with visual antics
when it suited his purpose to do so, more often he revealed his distaste
for the live audience by performing thruout the broadcast with his back
to them.

Elizabeth

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:20:53 -0500
From: "Welsa" <welsa@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Weddings

Our re-enactment group is being asked to perform, at all places, at a
wedding.  I'm not sure this will be a good audience, but--hey!--they're
paying!

My problem--I would like to have a comedy program in which a wedding is a
major plot line.  Can anyone think of an episode like that?

Ted

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:20:56 -0500
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Need help remembering a forgotten broadcaster

Hi everyone:

When I was a kid roughly 10 to 15 years of age -
this would be between 1965 and 1970 - the hometown
radio station to which we listened was a subscriber
to Mutual Network news features.  Each day - I think
it was each day, but at least a couple of times a week -
they would feature the news as read by a fellow whom
I now know to have had an old-fashioned, OTR-style
newsreading approach, and must have been an OTR vet.
He had a very deep voice, deeper than Westbrook Van Voorhiis -
along the lines of Earl Nightingale, but I don't think it was
Nightingale - and he frequently closed his broadcasts with
a statement such as:  "Purely personal - I speak tonight at the
auditorium of ____ High School in ____."

My mind's ear can still hear his deep voice, and my mind's
eye can still remember the one time I happened to see
him on TV, doing some kind of commercial spot - he was
sitting at a radio-style mic, and as I recall he was balding,
wore glasses and had a mustache.

But I cannot for the life of me remember this fellow's name,
and lately I've been wanting to.
Does anyone know who this might have been?  Again, he was
on Mutual, doing news headlines and mild commentary,
in the late 1960s.

Thank you!

John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
ph  (512) 495-4112
fax (512) 495-4296

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:20:58 -0500
From: "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Paul Harvey's Early Radio Days

I can't remember the exact time frame, but I recall that in  Paul Harvey's
early days in Chicago, he was initially at least somewhat of a crusader. I
believe it was the late 50s.

I was living in the Chicago area at the time and, as I recall, I woke up to
read in the Chicago papers that Paul Harvey has been arrested for scaling
the perimeter fencing at the nearby Argonne Atomic Laboratory.  He had done
so, he said, to prove that security measures at the Lab were woefully
inadequate (an issue he had been discussing on his radio show).

I can't recall whether or not he reached the super-secret bowels of the Lab,
but it was certainly a big deal at the time and added greatly to Harvey's
reputation.

Dave

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:24:08 -0500
From: Garry Lewis <glewis@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Uncle Don

For more than you ever wanted to know goto:

[removed]

yours Soupy Sales got a bum rap too,


Garry D. Lewis

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:24:03 -0500
From: "Ed Kindred" <kindred@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Lone Ranger's Name -- Again and again!

He removes his mask and she utters:. . . "why you're ALLEN KING!"

A. Joseph Ross  says
"OK, I have it!"

"The Lone Ranger was John Reed King!"

The follow on is that Fran Striker then is inspired to tie "Challenge of
the Yukon" to the other shows by naming the good Sgt's canine side kick.
Ed Kindred

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:24:05 -0500
From: Jerry Lewine <radiojerry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Paul Harvey

I found the comments regarding Paul Harvey's style and delivery interesting
and have two comments of my own.

First, I had the opportunity to talk with Paul Harvey once at a meeting of
the California Broadcasters Association many years ago.  Although I can't
say that his on-air persona and the man in person were identical, I won't
forget the way his phrasing, choice of words and emphasis were almost as
animated, even in that one-to-one conversation, as they were on-the-air.

Second, of course Paul Harvey had mentors and was influenced by others -
just as we all have had.  Just because the man's style was influenced by
others is no reason to knock him.  He's been around long enough to deserve
the institution that he has become.

Jerry Lewine, Chief Engineer
KHJ, Los Angeles

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 15:43:10 -0500
From: "jacques boudreault" <jackb67@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Lone Ranger & Purple Heart

In  "Tune in Yesterday", John Dunning states that Brace Beemer (The Lone
Ranger) was the recipient of the Purple Heart.  I'm just curious to know the
circumstances in WWI that made him a candidate for this honor.  In a 1965
radio program recorded shortly after Mr. Beemer's death, the radio actors
that performed with him do make reference to the fact that he took his role
seriously since he was aware of the impact his character had on so many
children.  Specifics on his war experience would help to shed light on
Beemer the man and its effect of the Ranger persona.

Any information would be appreciated.

Regards,

Jacques Boudreault

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 18:16:55 -0500
From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Paul Harvey

Hello All,

I rarely listen to PH.  I can accept that his show is entertainment more
than it is news, but when he begins what appears to be a news story and
then, 20 seconds in, it turns out to be a commercial, well that's just a
little hard to take.

George

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:21:49 -0500
From: "David L. Easter" <david-easter@[removed];
To: "Old-Time Radio Digest (E-mail)" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: David Soul as The Shadow

Stephen A Kallis, Jr. commented on "David Soul is set to star in a proposed
British radio series based on the 1930s serial The Shadow".

And asks for comments.  Well, if the SFX Web Site is reporting "the 1930s
serial," they might be referring to the movie serial, which, while
released in 1940, more than likely was shot in 1939.   This starred
Victor Jory and had more in common with the pulp version of The Shadow
than the OTR show.

Since they specified the "radio series", I suspect that is what they have in
mind. However the "proposed" is still simply that.

David L. Easter
Email: David-Easter@[removed]
Web Page: [removed]

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:21:47 -0500
From: "David L. Easter" <david-easter@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Paul Harvey

Elizabeth McLeod states:

I agree that Paul Harvey is a throwback to OTR. Has anyone heard of
commentators? Someone was recently telling me about them. They would read
the news and add their own comments, and some of them got a reputation for
being rebel rousers apparently. While Mr. Harvey is certainly not a rebel
rouser, he does add his comments even if only [removed];

I only partially agree. While Mr. Harvey is not a "common" rebel rouser, he
does put a definite spin on his stories and purports them to be true. I've
heard several of his stories that were 90% "story" and very slanted.
Unfortunately, a large segment of his listeners actually believe they are
hearing the truth.

I wonder what would happen if he reported Martians landing in New Jersey?

David L. Easter
Email: David-Easter@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 21:21:46 -0500
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Old Philosopher = Eddie Lawrence

Hi Gang -                   February 9, 2001 - Friday - 6:15 PM cst

In issue  xxxxx,  Vince Long inquires about who the "Old Philosopher"
was.   The character was created by EDDIE LAWRENCE.  However,
he did not have a radio program, he created this character and many
others on phonograph records in the 1950's, 1960's.

Many DJ's around the [removed] played "comedy records" during their
airtime, and as a result Lawrence's "Old Philosopher" was heard many
times throughout the country.  It was a funny routine.

He also created the "New Philosopher" on a follow-up disc.  I don't
think the "new" was as funny as the "old".  Lawrence did a routine
called "Old-Old-Old Vienna", which I think was his funniest routine.
He did a follow-up called "Gay Paree, Oui-Oui-Oui, Oui-Ouioui-Oui"
Again the sequil was not as funny as the original.

In the 1960's several LP discs consisting of the collected works of
Eddie Lawrence were issued.   Sorry, I don't have any of these discs -
but somewhere in my dusty archives is a tape containing a recording of
"Old Old Old Vienna".

"He took his hand from the rock and toppled over the mountainside like
a tremendous block buster .....  All the Rocks and strudel came down in
a mad monster of a strudel slide".   (from the description of the strudel
eating contest - the last contestant: a blackschmidt named Hans Kropfin.)

I still enjoy that description.

Happy Taping  --  Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois
kenpiletic@[removed]

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