Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #243
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 6/29/2002 11:33 AM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 243
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  radio blackouts & Japanese sub        [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
  Rexall Redux                          [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
  Hoagey Carmichael, Dave Carmichael,   [ Tsunami1000@[removed] ]
  How the hoagie sandwich got its name  [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
  Question about hoagie carmichel (sp)  [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
  Re: [Old Radio Shows on MP3 ]         [ BrianWest2@[removed] ]
  The Aldrich Family member             [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Popeye the Sailor                     [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Jackie Kelk                           [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
  Cinnamon Bear & Radio Recorders       [ "jay ranellucci" <jayran33@hotmail. ]
  Re: McKesson and Liggett              [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Radio directors                       [ otrbuff@[removed] ]
  Jingles B. Jones' Ranch               [ "rlctm" <rlctm@[removed]; ]

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:20:02 -0400
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  radio blackouts & Japanese sub

Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed]; writes:
 >From the Los Angeles Times, February 24, 1942 (this was the morning after
a Japanese midget submarine attempted to shell and take out an oil
pumping station near Santa Barbara, CA)

If I remember correctly, from a show I saw on PBS:
The town nearest the beach where the shelling took place was Goleta,
California.
It was a full-size Japanese submarine that surfaced offshore (at night, I
think) and trained its deck gun on the oil storage tanks a little bit inland.
All of its shots missed the target; I think most, if not all, fell short &
blew up some sand dunes.
The submarine went away.
The [removed] Army arrived, "on alert", prepared to repel any invasion from the sea.
The local people were told not to talk about the incident to outsiders, for
fear of spreading panic up & down the coast.
Some of the residents today can show you remnants of the Japanese shells
that they dug out of the sand.

Herb Harrison

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:20:26 -0400
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Rexall Redux

I didn't see any references to Phil Harris & Alice Faye show.  Perhaps I
missed such.  Starting out as part of "The Fitch Bandwagon" (shampoo), it
was then sponsored for years by Rexall.

Phil Harris was the leader of the band on the Sunday night "Jack Benny
Program".  He left early each week, before the end of that program, in
order to be in a different studio for his own program, immediately
following the Waukegan Whiz!   Incidentally, another Jack Benny regular,
Dennis Day, had his own program immediately before the Benny romp, so he
was not heard early in the Benny program.  Our family routinely had a "pick
me up" supper on Sunday nights, listening to all three shows.

On the Phil Harris airer, Elliott Lewis portrayed real-life band member
Frankie Remley, constantly wise-cracking his way through the Rexall
program.  I particularly remember Lewis for this role, and for his
narration of "Manhattan Tower".  This also featured his wife, radio actress
Beverly Mahr.  It was written  by big time arranger Gordon Jenkins, and
recorded  with his orchestra and chorus.  Jenkins was also responsible for
many other big sellers in the 1950s, including two giant hits in a series
of best-sellers from Pete Seeger's "The Weavers", '"Goodnight Irene'' and
"Tzena, Tzena, Tzena".

Manhattan Tower was a top seller in 1956 for Jenkins, over a decade after
it was written!  It was even done live with full orchestra at least one
Sunday night on the Ed Sullivan television show.   If anyone knows where I
could buy a video of that particular show, I'd like to know about it!   If
you've never heard it, go out and buy [removed]'s marvelous!

Back to Phil Harris - there was a running gag which referred to Rexall's
Orange and Blue signs, with "Remley" constantly chiming in that he had a
better color combination in mind.  His suggestion may have changed from
time to time, but the one that I recall was "Pink and Purple".  I always
wondered if there was more to this inside joke.

Then there was the Rexall slogan, which I wish to every OTR [removed]

Good health to [removed] Rexall !!!

and to all as well from Lee Munsick

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:21:35 -0400
From: Tsunami1000@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Hoagey Carmichael, Dave Carmichael, and Jim
 Cox
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In Issue No. 241, I was very suprised to read that Jim Cox was originally
from Charlotte, NC.   I, too, am originally from North Carolina, but more
like Raleigh.  In Raleigh, I knew a friend of many years ago named Dave
Carmichael, and he was the gentleman who introduced me to OTR at an antique
auto convention in Chapel Hill, NC in the summer of 1977.   I had a 1937
Plymouth coupe entered in a car contest when I saw this guy selling audio
tapes at a vendor's table, and from then on I was hooked in OTR.  In time,
Dave told me he was related to Hoagey Carmichael, but since those heady days
of the '70's, when I was in my early '20's, I have lost touch with Dave
Carmichael.  Because of the passage of time, I expect the worst, especially
since my letters to his last know address in Raleigh were never answered, and
today I am a resident of Arizona.  But I recall visiting his home several
times in Raleigh and viewing his immense OTR collections, some 30,000 + shows
on r to r tapes.  It is no wonder that every time I hear of Hoagey
Carmichael, I always think of Dave Carmichael, his great-nephew.  Well, God
Bless you Dave, wherever you are!   Jim Faulkner, Tucson

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:58:35 -0400
From: Jer51473@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  How the hoagie sandwich got its name

 i think someone may have posted this earlier, but according to [removed],
during ww1 a shipyard in Philadelphia was on Hog Island and the italian
workers there used to bring such sandwiches to work. These workers were
called "hoggers" and the name of there sandwiches evolved from that word.

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:48:08 -0400
From: Jer51473@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Question about hoagie carmichel (sp)

  actually a quiz as i know the answer. In what movie did he sing the song
"Buttermilk Sky" ?

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:23:19 -0400
From: BrianWest2@[removed]
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: [Old Radio Shows on MP3 ]

Hi all, Just a couple of thoughts on some recent themes:

1) To Steven Thoburn who was stationed in New [removed] was born and raised
in New London and we did indeed call them "grinders" (and there were plenty
of places to get them). I was suprised when he mentioned that his other duty
station in Ill also called them [removed] have family in ILL (just outside
Chicago) who never knew what we ment by grinders, they called them hoagies.

2) New London had a Rexall pharmacy that I used to frequent all the
[removed]'s where I got my comic books. It's been gone a long time and I
haven't seen too many others around.

brian west

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:25:09 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Aldrich Family member

Speaking of The Aldrich Family, a friend of mine is looking for TV episodes
of Henry Aldrich.  It seems his mother, Mary Malone, was in the TV cast.  If
anyone has any on VHS, please contact me and I'll forward his contact info.
(I too would like to see the TV version, though I do enjoy the movie
versions.)

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:25:23 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Popeye the Sailor

Came across an unusual web-site (though little is said about the radio
series), regarding Popeye, the Sailor.

[removed]

I wonder how many other web-sites are under ubvious names.
Perhaps [removed]?

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:26:04 -0400
From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jackie Kelk

To fellow Aldrich Family fans: I'm glad that some more of you have "come out
of the closet". This is my favorite show (and yes, Jughead knows this and
still speaks to me). When KNX played them last year I'm sure people who
heard them must have thought I was crazy. That is one show that settles the
question of how important is the actor to the story if you have a good
script.

I know at least some of the scripts from the Bobby Ellis season were redone
from the earlier shows but it's hard to believe they're the same scripts.
It's painful for a true Aldrich fan to listen to these. You have the same
wonderful writing, the same two wonderful actors playing Mr. and Mrs.
Aldrich (House Jameson and Katherine Raht). So what's different? Henry and
Homer!

Ezra Stone was by far the best Henry. But while he was away serving his
country the shows with his replacements, Dickie Jones et al, were still
good. Why?  JACKIE KELK as HOMER!

If you listen to the earlier shows before Homer became a regular, they are
not quite as entertaining as those with Jackie/Homer.

Jackie Kelk is still with us. He lives in Palm Desert in southern
California.

Long may he live!
Barbara

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:24:38 -0400
From: "jay ranellucci" <jayran33@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cinnamon Bear & Radio Recorders

Hi all,
I've been meaning for a long time to post this on the list, but when I saw
Tim Johnson's post, I thought why now now.
In 1955/1956 I worked at Radio Recorders as an engineer. I was introduced to
the Shipping Clerk and told that he used to be an actor. He was probably in
his mid to late 60's. I had never heard the Cinnamon Bear shows and his name
meant nothing to me.  But about 20 years later
I got the series from SPERDVAC, and still had no idea that I had met Paddy
Cinnamon, until I read somewhere who some of the cast members were.  But
isn't it strange that this little elf of a man who is now so remembered by
so many wound up working as shipping clerk at the very same Radio Recorders.
  By the way Radio Recorders was located at 7000 Santa Monica Bl. In
Hollywood. But they've been out of business since the late 70's.
  'Til next time,   Jay

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 18:29:54 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: McKesson and Liggett

On 6/28/02 2:36 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

My question:
was there any connection between Musica and the Liggetts or between United
Drug and M & R?

I don't believe so, other than the fact that you might have found M&R
products in the pharmacy section of your Rexall store -- McKesson and
Robbins seems to have been more concerned with supplying raw
pharmaceuticals used in mixing prescriptions than with the packaged
over-the-counter goods that were the focus of the United Drug empire. In
this respect, M&R was more competitive with Squibb or Wyeth Chemical than
with Rexall. But as you point out, M&R's financial manipulations in 1930
offer another reason for why that was not a particularly good year for
the American drug business.  (McKesson's radio program, "the McKesson
News Reel of the Air" on NBC, went off the air during the company's
financial unpleasantness -- I just point that out to give this post a bit
of on-topic content.)

I might also add a bit more for the sake of those who might be wondering
how Liggett and United Drug managed to survive the "Ginger Jake" scandal.
The case was bounced back and forth between Prohibition enforcement
agents and the FDA for nearly a year: the FDA claimed it was a matter for
the Prohibition Bureau -- since the company clearly knew the product was
being purchased for beverage purposes, and in fact, drug store employees
often mixed the drinks right there at the fountain -- but the Prohibition
people argued it was up to the FDA, since the product's packaging clearly
stated that it was for medicinal use only. Finally, the FDA busted two
United Drug wholesalers and charged them with distributing adulterated
merchandise across state lines. They were given six-month suspended
sentences, fined a total of $250, and a keg of adulterated ginger extract
siezed as evidence was ordered forfeited to the Government. No one else
was ever prosecuted. Meanwhile, thousands of people -- most of them poor,
rural Southerners -- remained paralyzed for the rest of their lives.

Exactly how the company got away with this may never be known -- but one
might point out that Louis K. Liggett was very influential in the
Republican Party at the time: he was, in fact the treasurer of the
Republican National Committee, and was very highly connected in the
Hoover Administration and the FDA. It doesn't take too much imagination
or cynicism to suggest what *could* have happened.

Where's the Green Hornet when you need him?

Elizabeth

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Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:20:10 -0400
From: otrbuff@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Radio directors

I have a question that is addressed to no one in particular but to anyone
who might have a conclusive answer.  It concerns radio directors.

I'm aware that most dramatic series, for instance, employed actors drawn
from a company of seasoned thespians who operated in a freelance
capacity.  They were on call to be summoned for auditions and/or
assignments to specific roles and might appear once or many times in a
recurring part, depending upon what was required.

Now my question:  Could radio directors also be considered freelance
agents?  Let's take the vast Hummert organization as an example.  Richard
Leonard, Arthur Hanna, Martha Atwell and several more turned up for years
on a number of their dramas on behalf of the producing Hummerts.  They
were the people who oversaw the operation and were held accountable if
anything went out over the air that shouldn't.  But who did they work
for?  Themselves, or in the full time employ of (in this case) the
Hummert organization?

I'm after a definitive answer here, not guesswork.  Please communicate
directly with me if you know the answer.  Thanks for your interest and
help.  (All former network staffers and players are particularly urged to
apply but don't limit yourself if you aren't in that category.)

Jim Cox
otrbuff@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 13:10:09 -0400
From: "rlctm" <rlctm@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Jingles B. Jones' Ranch

I was visiting an older lady friend recently and noticed a Bendix model
clock radio sitting on a shelf at her house. I asked her how old it was,
etc. She then off-handedly remarked "Oh, I won that in a contest on the Wild
Bill Hickok radio show a long time ago." I asked her to elaborate. "They
wanted the listeners to submit names for Andy Devine's character Jingle
Jones' ranch. I submitted the name Whining Pines because he was always
whining. I won the contest and my prize was the radio." I told her I was a
fan of otr. Upon hearing this, she asked me if there was any way I could
find out if they ever actually used the name Whining Pines on the radio show
for Jingle's ranch. She couldn't remember ever hearing it mentioned after
the contest. I told her I thought I could find out for her. Guess who I
thought would know? You got it. Would someone out there come through with
this bit of trivia information for my 85 year old friend? She would be very
greatful to solve that 50 year old mystery. By the way, the radio still
looks very nice, but doesn't play now according to my friend. I'm going to
take her a couple of Wild Bill Hickok episodes to listen to and let the
memories flood back to her. I look forward to your answers either way they
go--she will be glad to know.

Randy Collins

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