Subject: [removed] Digest V2009 #116
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 6/22/2009 9:37 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2009 : Issue 116
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: 15 minute non serials             [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      re: Unpaid radio                      [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
      Radio to TV ?                         [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
      A quarter-hour on the dial            [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
      Hollywood Bowl Concerts on local rad  [ Jim Hilliker <jimhilliker@sbcglobal ]
      Fifteen Minute Shows?                 [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
      15-minute radio shows                 [ James H Arva <wilditralian@[removed] ]
      6-21 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      15 minute shows                       [ "John Buxbaum" <sorahl@[removed] ]
      I still [removed]                      [ "John Buxbaum" <sorahl@[removed] ]
      15 minute shows                       [ Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed]; ]
      Quarter Hour Radio shows              [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
      15 minute shows                       [ Steve Darnall <fvpress@[removed] ]
      RE: Can you spare 15 minutes?         [ "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed] ]
      Dragnet repeat episodes               [ Andrew Steinberg <otrdig2@[removed] ]

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:22:31 -0400
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: 15 minute non serials
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    In a message dated 6/20/2009 11:25:54 [removed] Central Daylight Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

>     On my  15-minute show query, I meant to say "serial-type shows" rather than
>     soap  operas. In other words, you can exclude shows such as Vic and Sade,
>     Lum and  Abner, and Easy Aces.

    Then again, "Yours Truly Johnny Dollar" was serialized as a 15 minute
    [removed] though the complete story usually ran only five or so days.

    Would the later "Fibber McGee and Molly" and "Great Gildersleeve" shows
    count?  What about Henry Morgan's early 1940s show on WOR/Mutual?

    Dixon

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:20:43 -0400
    From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re: Unpaid radio
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       As a long time member of AFTRA, AFRA in the old days, I can fully
    appreciate the actors position. The union was formed to protect talent from
    the unfair practices and exploitation used against them by the producers and
    advertising agencies. They were not formed for the producers. When radio
    became big business in the thirties the rank and file talent were the ones at
    the bottom of the pay barrel. Without the union they would have stayed there.
    People like Harry Bartell, Tyler McVey, Rhoda Williams, Cliff Carpenter and
    the like, highly talented professionals all, help to make sure that talent had
    a place to go to insure fair payment for work done and to air legitimate
    complaints against abuses. Acting is a skill just like any other and no not
    everybody can do the same job with the same ability (animal sounds). Therefore
    not just any Tom Dick or whatever can step in to cover a position.   As a
    modern day radio actor, producer, director I cover all
     the bases and it is today as was back in the golden age, you want the best
    get a professional. Get someone who takes the craft of acting seriously get
    the union [removed] AlbertImagination Theatre

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:20:52 -0400
    From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio to TV ?

    Gregory Jackson, Jr. tells us he grew up with several TV shows, which
    he later found out while in school that they were on radio first, and
    he names several including Hopalong Cassidy, Tom Corbett, Space
    Cadet, and Have Gun, Will Travel.

    I don't know what school he  went to but they obviously led him
    astray. All three of these series appeared FIRST on television and
    then made their debut on network radio. Actually eight such shows
    went this unusual route of television to radio, as I've posted a few
    times on this Digest.

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
    <[removed]>

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:22:45 -0400
    From: <otrbuff@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  A quarter-hour on the dial

    Jody Davis writes:

>     I'm trying to discover as many shows as possible that were 15 minutes in length

>     Anyone know of any more?

    This could go on forever.  For starters:

    Curt Massey-Martha Tilton Time
    CBS World News Roundup
    The World Tonight
    Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost Persons
    Jack Berch & His Boys
    The Howard Miller Show
    The Cisco Kid
    Jack Armstrong, the All-American Boy
    Lowell Thomas
    Edward R. Murrow
    Club 15
    Peggy Lee
    Beulah
    Jack Smith Show
    Elmer Davis
    Don Gardiner
    Fulton Lewis, Jr.
    Gabriel Heatter
    H. V. Kaltenborn
    Henry J. Taylor
    Larry LeSueur
    Allen Jackson
    Paul Harvey
    Mutual Newsreel
    Taylor Grant
    Three Star Extra
    Walter Winchell
    Louella Parsons
    Bill Stern
    Norman Vincent Peale
    Sidney Walton
    Dave Garroway
    Lanny Ross
    Grand Slam
    Mark Trail
    Big Jon and Sparkie
    Alex Dreier
    Cedric Foster
    Martin Agronsky
    Pauline Frederick
    Faith in Our Time
    Bob Considine
    Betty Crocker
    Adventures in Science
    Galen Drake
    Victor Lindlahr
    Tell Your Neighbor
    Ted Malone
    This Farming Business
    Bob & Ray
    Coke Time
    Three Suns
    Bing Crosby-Rosemary Clooney Show
    My Son Jeep
    Abe Lyman Orchestra
    Baby Rose Marie
    Jane Froman
    Morton Downey
    The Pickens Sisters
    Singin' Sam
    The Street Singer
    Tastyeast Jesters
    Trade & Mark
    Frank & Ernest
    Whispering Jack Smith
    Country Doctor
    Romance
    Amos 'n' Andy
    Easy Aces
    Wheatenaville Sketches
    Buck Rogers in the 25th Century
    Rin-Tin-Tin
    Boake Carter
    Edwin C. Hill
    D. W. Griffith's Hollywood
    Aunt Jemima
    Breen & DeRose
    Little Jack Little
    The Morin Sisters
    The Southernaires
    Skippy
    Bobby Benson & the B-Bar-B Riders
    Little Orphan Annie
    Tom Mix
    Smackouts
    Wife Saver
    Mary Lee Taylor
    The Lady Next Door
    The Singing Lady
    Ida Bailey Allen
    The Mystery Chef
    Emily Post
    Tony Wons Poetry
    Betty Grable & John Payne
    The Ink Spots
    Smilin' Ed McConnell
    Irene Rich Dramas
    Lum 'n' Abner
    Uncle Ezra's Radio Station
    Dog Heroes
    Dorothy Thompson Commentary
    Religion in the News
    Jimmy Fidler
    Dale Carnegie
    Hymns of All Churches
    Ruth Lyon, Soprano
    The Voice of Experience
    Dick Tracy
    Don Winslow of the Navy
    Junior G-Men
    Terry and the Pirates
    Mary Margaret McBride
    How to be Charming
    Women in the News
    I Love a Mystery
    Morgan Beatty, News of the World
    Mel Allen
    Sheila Graham
    Lassie
    Dorothy Dix at Home
    Junior Miss
    Elmo Roper
    Break the Bank
    Double or Nothing
    Grady Cole
    CBS Farm News
    Perry Como Show
    Sammy Kaye Cameo Room
    Don Cornell
    Frank Sinatra
    Fibber McGee & Molly
    Three City Byline
    Mike Malloy, Detective
    Modern Romances
    The Phrase that Pays
    Second Chance
    Wizard of Odds
    Make Up Your Mind
    Whispering Streets

    Only the tip of the iceberg.  Add in the big band remotes, scores of
    newscasters/commentators with national hookup platforms, singers, talk show
    hosts, and what have you and you'll end up with many thousands more, I'll
    betcha!

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:21:34 -0400
    From: Jim Hilliker <jimhilliker@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hollywood Bowl Concerts on local radio

    From:  Jim Hilliker--jimhilliker@[removed]

    [removed] am almost certain the Hollywood Bowl summer concerts aired locally in
    Souhtern California on KFI-640 AM since the mid-1920s, until classical KFAC
    AM and FM took it over, after that station took it over in the 1950s, I
    believe.  They went to an all-classical format around 1948 or so.

    In JJ's radio logs, which is online with LA Times radio logs 1930-1960, I did
    a search for Symphony Under the Stars, and it came up with that under KFI in
    1931-32 on Saturday nights in the summer.   Several years ago, I asked the
    Hollywood Bowl people about who broadcast their summer concerts 'under the
    stars' and they told me about the first contract KFI had with them starting
    around 1926 or '27, and also learned that KFI had broadcast the summer
    Hollywood Bowl concert series each year thru the 1930s and '40s.

    Hope that helps.

    Jim Hilliker
    Los Angeles radio historian
    Monterey, CA

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:23:02 -0400
    From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fifteen Minute Shows?

    Jody Davis has posted a couple of confusing requests. First she asks
    for names of 15 minute shows other than soap operas (like Yours
    Truly, Johnny Dollar.)  When I read that, I thought of at least a
    hundred, mostly juvenile dramas, commentary, and comedies. Before I
    could respond, Jody jumps back in and modifies her request to exclude
    not only soap operas, but all "serial-type" programs, as she terms
    them. Giving examples of the latter, she lists Vic and Sade, Lum &
    Abner, and Easy Aces.

    Well, first of all, the 15 minute version of Johnny Dollar was a
    serial program. Secondly, Easy Aces was not a serial program, and
    while Vic and Sade had some continuing story lines, it was hardly a
    serial program either.

    So despite these conflicting issues, let's say we exclude all soap
    operas, all true serial programs (Two on a Clue, all the juvenile
    adventures, and the hybrid [removed] Black and Blue, for
    example) and just name quarter hour shows that were "complete" in
    each episode.

    There's still quite a few, although it certainly reduces the field of
    these pint-sized programs. Some that would still qualify would be:
    It's Murder, Komedy Kingdom, Bill Stern's Sports Reel, Leatherneck
    Legends, Coconut Grove Ambassadors, Lassie, Tillamook Dairy Maid,
    Walter Winchell, The Pickard Family, Wishing Well, Louella Parsons,
    Southland Echoes, Giselle of Canada, Brunswick Brevities, Rita Murray
    Commentary, Top Hollywood Stories, Eyes on the Ball, New National
    Guard Show, and Jack Webb's One out of Seven.

    There must be at least 200 more like this so I yield to other
    Digesters to fill in the gaps. (I've been playing a 15 minute program
    at the start of every MWOTRC monthly meeting for the past eleven
    years and haven't had to repeat one yet.)

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
    <[removed]>

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:25:46 -0400
    From: James H Arva <wilditralian@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  15-minute radio shows

    In digest #114, Jody Davis asks for the names of shows that only lasted
    for 15 minutes.  Well ... "Amos 'n' Andy" was, for a long time, a
    15-minuter 5 nights a week, then went to a half-hour show once a week.
    As I understand it, "Amos 'n' Andy" was so popular that Macy's and
    Gimbels used to play it over their PA systems so that people would not
    stay home and refrain from shopping just to listen to the program.

    I also have recordings of these programs -- "The Jack Benny Program",
    "Sergeant Preston of the Yukon", "Vic and Sade", President Truman's
    Christmas tree lighting ceremony of September 24th of 1948, "Lum 'n'
    Abner", "The Dinah Shore Show", "The March of Time", "The Tennessee Ernie
    Ford Show", and "X-Minus-One" -- that were, at one time or another,
    15-minute shows.  The Ernie Ford show mentioned is only a promotional
    demo recording for sponsors, though.

    Regards,

    Jim Arva

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:25:58 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  6-21 births/deaths

    June 21st births

    55 years ago, this very day, I joined the [removed] Navy, a life changing
    decision.

    06-21-1880 - Mary Young - d. 6-23-1971
    actor: Lily "Arnold Grimm's Daughter"
    06-21-1882 - William Afsprung - d. 1-15-1976
    reader: WLW Cincinnati, Ohio
    06-21-1895 - Saul B. Arenson - Lincoln, NE - d. 6-11-1954
    lecturer on scientific topics on WLW Cincinnati, Ohio
    06-21-1900 - Jack Arthur - Brooklyn, NY - d. 10-1-1980
    singer, emcee: "Echoes of New York"; "Family Time"; "Jack Arthur Show"
    06-21-1907 - Charles 'Bud' Dant - Washington, IN - d. 10-31-1999
    music: "A Day in the Life of Dennis Day"; "Glamour Manor"
    06-21-1909 - Ted Sherdeman - d. 8-22-1987
    producer, director, writer: "Latitude Zero"; "Sad Sack"; "Sears Radio
    Theatre"
    06-21-1910 - Clive Sansom - London, England - d. 3-29-1981
    writer: "The Pardoner's Tale"
    06-21-1910 - Montie Montana - Wolf Point, MT - d. 5-20-1998
    actor, periennial Rose Parade participant: "All-Star Western Theatre"
    06-21-1911 - Irving Fein - Brooklyn, NY
    producer: "Jack Benny Program"
    06-21-1911 - Wonderful Smith - Arkadelphia, AR - d. 8-28-2008
    comedian: "Red Skelton Show"
    06-21-1912 - Mary McCarthy - Seattle, WA - d. 10-25-1989
    novelist: "Guest Star Time"
    06-21-1916 - Al Brown
    actor: Og "Og, Son of Fire"
    06-21-1921 - Jane Russell - Bemidji, MN
    actor: Guest Detective: "Adventures of Ellery Queen"
    06-21-1921 - Joan Tetzel - NYC - d. 10-31-1977
    actor: Sylvia Field "When a Girl Marries"; Jane Brown "The Goldbergs"
    06-21-1921 - Judy Holliday - NYC - d. 6-7-1965
    actor: "Big Show"
    06-21-1921 - Owen Weingott - Sydney, Australia - d. 10-12-2002
    actor: Hercule Poirot "Hercule Peroit"; "Portia Faces Life"
    06-21-1922 - Wade Denning - Albermarle, NC - d. 9-17-2007
    composer, arranger: "Let's Go On With the Show"
    06-21-1925 - Byron Palmer - Los Angeles, CA
    actor: "Plays for Americans"
    06-21-1925 - Desmond Briscoe - Birkenhead, England - d. 12-7-2006
    sound technician and effects cooridinator for the BBC Radio
    06-21-1925 - Maureen Stapleton - Troy, NY - d. 3-13-2006
    actor: "Best Plays"
    06-21-1926 - Margaret Potter - Harrow, England - d. 8-26-1998
    writer: "Hindleford"; "The Waiting Game"
    06-21-1926 - Merle Harmon - Salem IL - d. 4-15-2009
    sportscaster: Milwaukee Braves, Milwauke Brewers, Minnesota Twins
    06-21-1928 - Rudy Wissler - d. 1-11-2007
    actor,singer: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
    06-21-1932 - O. C. Smith - Mansfield, LA - d. 11-23-2001
    singer: "Voices of Vista"
    06-21-1940 - Mariette Hartley - Weston, CT
    actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"

    June 21st deaths

    02-14-1913 - Matt Dennis - Seattle, WA - d. 6-21-2002
    singer: "Sextette from Hunger Show"; "Victor Borge Show"
    03-27-1892 - Thorne Smith - Annapolis, MD - d. 6-21-1934
    writer: "Advs. of Topper" based on his book
    04-07-1908 - Walt Framer - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 6-21-1988
    producer, director: "Break the Bank"; "Strike It Rich"
    06-07-1908 - Clarence Straight - d. 6-21-1988
    actor: Rags the Dog "Those We Love"
    06-09-1922 - George Axelrod - NYC - d. 6-21-2003
    writer: "Midnight in Manhattan"; "Grand Ole Opry"
    07-07-1903 - Joe Boland - d. 6-21-1987
    actor: Police Sergeant "Abie's Irish Rose"
    08-10-1908 - Richard DuPage - Kansas City, MO - d. 6-21-1983
    composer: "Murder By Experts"; "The Search That Never Ends"
    08-17-1903 - Abram Chasins - NYC - d. 6-21-1987
    musical director: "Stars from the Blue"
    08-27-1908 - Frank Leahy - O'Neill, NE - d. 6-21-1973
    football coach (Notre Dame): "Hallmark Hall of Fame"; "Bill Stern
    Colgate Sports Newsreel"
    11-18-1860 - Jan Ignace Paderewski - Kurilovka. Poland - d. 6-21-1941
    concert pianist, statesman: "Paderewski's Eightieth Birthday Tribute"

    Ron

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:26:06 -0400
    From: "John Buxbaum" <sorahl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  15 minute shows

     Jody,

    Fibber McGee and Molly was at one point a 15 minute show, so was Vic and
    Sade ( I believe).

    HTH

    John B

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:27:10 -0400
    From: "John Buxbaum" <sorahl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  I still [removed]

>      Someone said (on a BBC show recently! called Heresy - great show, by the
>     way) that people don't laugh at a joke on a repeated program, they're
>     laughing and remembering what they felt like when they experienced the joke
>     the first time.

    Ben,

    Granted I'm a bit strange ( or so I'm told <grin> ) but I find myself
    laughing at the jokes on the OTR comedies quite often. Yeah some of the
    jokes in Allens Alley are [removed] But I do enjoy [removed] And I am definetly
    not remembering them the first time around. I was born some 5 years after
    the Golden Age of Radio [removed]

    I also will be looking for a book or two this fall at the FOTR. I just don't
    know what I want to [removed] I think I'm looking to read some kind of
    narrative about some shows, or about folks who were integral to OTR.

    John B

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:27:16 -0400
    From: Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  15 minute shows

    lots come to mind

    Suspicion, Strange Dr Weird, Strange as it Seems, Strange, come to mind.

    The ultimate was the 15-minute Johnny Dollar shows

    of course, most kids serials were 15 minutes, and i believe most band remote
    shows were that length

    many of the public service/ gov't sponsored shows, like Guest Star, Let's Go
    to Town, and some others, were, too.

    regards to all
    joe webb

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:27:25 -0400
    From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Quarter Hour Radio shows

>     I'm on an OTR educational mission. I'm trying to discover as many shows as

> >     possible that were 15 minutes in length.
> >     Jody Davis

    There are probably hundreds of 15 minute radio shows that were on the
    air. some examples are: Amos and Andy  (until 1948), Bill Stern's
    "Colgate Sports Newsreel", "The Treasury Star Parade", "I Love a
    Mystery', "The Family Doctor', "The Green Valley Line". to name a [removed]

    Most news programs were 15 minutes so the half hour may have filled with
    a musical programs. At 10:00PM in Chicago was news so to fill the half
    hour we had a live musical program, Janette Davis And the Kings Men for
    15 minutes or Smiling Jack [removed] something sinilar.

    All the Kids shows Orphan Annie, Jack Armstrong, Captain Midnightt, Don
    Winslow of the Navy all were i5 minutes.

    All the Soaps were fifteen minutes also.

    I wold suggest that if Jody Davis could  a coy of Jay Hickerson's "The
    Ultimate History of Network Radio Programing & Guide To all Circulating
    Shows". Jay shows the length of most of  the programs, and there are a
    whole bunch that are 15 minutes.
    Hope this helps.
    Fank McGurn
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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:28:25 -0400
    From: Steve Darnall <fvpress@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  15 minute shows
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    I'm sure Jody Davis' request for 15 minute shows has been answered many times
    over, but a few that come to mind are the 30-minute shows that moved to daily
    or nightly 15 minute broadcasts during the 1950sb"the most obvious being
    Fibber McGee and Molly, The Great Gildersleeve, and Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost
    Persons. And of course, there were plenty of "non-serial" 15 minute shows
    (both syndicated and network), including The Bill Stern Sports Newsreel,
    Treasury Star Parade/Guest Star, Komedy Kingdom, Unsolved Mysteries, Can You
    Imagine That?, Phyl Coe Mysteries, The Strange Dr. Weird, etc.

    I'm sure there are many more I'm not thinking of right now but I'm sure
    someone out there can add to this list.

    Steve

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:28:59 -0400
    From: "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE: Can you spare 15 minutes?

>     as many shows as possible that were 15 minutes in length.

    Bill Stern's show was another.

    --
    Bob Scherago
    [removed]
    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:29:26 -0400
    From: Andrew Steinberg <otrdig2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dragnet repeat episodes

    After September 20, 1955, Dragnet broadcast repeat episodes until February
    26, 1957. Is there an easy way to identify if an episode is the original or
    the repeat? Some of the alleged repeat shows I have heard have had ads at the
    end for Barrie Craig, which indicates that they are the original shows with
    wrong dates. But, what about for the other repeat shows?

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