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Date: 9/13/2005 4:18 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 279
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      FREBERG AND KAISER                    [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      Radio Classics XM-164 -- Also The Go  [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
      Mantan Moreland and Ben Carter        [ "Bob Kidera" <rkidera1@[removed] ]
      Re: Lucky Strike Green                [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      Re: NBC Chimes                        [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      Memorization                          [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
      Red vs Blue NBC Chimes                [ Michael Shoshani <mshoshani@sbcglob ]
      World War II                          [ "Mike Hobart" <zines50@[removed]; ]
      9-13 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Ed Carr                               [ "Neil Scott" <scotty@[removed] ]
      A Few Words On "Flashgun Casey"       [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      re: Get Fuzzy                         [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:06:05 -0400
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  FREBERG AND KAISER

    Can't find the date, think around '60, Kaiser Foil put out a 'for station
    use only' Stan Freberg's 10 inch LP called, "Here It Is, Just What You've
    Always Wanted, Your Very Own Soap Opera."  Will be happy to transfer to
    CD, but can't handle the handling & shipping.  If you would like a copy,
    send $[removed], along with a self-addressed label to, Sandy Singer -- 120 E.
    Swan St.  #213 -- Centerville, TN 37033

    [removed]
              Sandy
    [removed]
    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:10:48 -0400
    From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio Classics XM-164 -- Also The Gold Coast
     Show
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    Hi Gang -

    I spent the last few weeks at my "winter home" in  Alma, Arkansas.  Since most of my
    OTR collection is in Streamwood, Illinois, I had to  resort to my XM radio to get my
    daily infusion of Old Time Radio.

    I "discovered" the RADIO CLASSICS channel on  XM-164.  (Actually, I knew it was
    there, but didn't listen regularly until  now).   This channel runs OTR 24 hours a day.
    in Good Sound, and they even publish a schedule of  sorts at  _[removed]_ ([removed])

    The host of the show, Greg Bell (I don't know him),  announces each program and gives
    a little "story" regarding the show, stars,  writers, etc.  The schedule appears to run in
    Eight Hour blocks all week, and is adjusted so that  if you tune in at the same time every
    day, you can listen for a few hours and never hear  a repeat.

    I"ve been listening almost every night between 9 PM  and Midnight (central time) and
    the surprising thing is that I'm hearing "new"  programs.  Either that or my memory is
    becoming so poor that I don't remember hearing them  before.  For example, I thought
    I heard all the X Minus One episodes, but last  week I heard two "new" ones. Same
    goes for Quiet Please and Have Gun, Will  Travel.

    If you have an XM radio, and if you're tired of the  every day routine, you might check
    out channel 164 at any time of day.

    [removed] I have no connection whatever with XM  nor Radio Classics.

    On a completely different note:
    I used to listed to "The Gold Coast Show" on  WBBM.  Unfortunately, I didn't record
    any of them.  If my faulty memory is correct,  the program was on TWICE A DAY;
    once in the morning, and again in the  afternoon.   I believe they were DIFFERENT
    programs.  However, if the afternoon was a  repeat, that would imply that the morning
    program could have been recorded and played  back.  Maybe some programs do exist.

    See 'yall in Newark ('yall is the way they talk in  Arkansas)

    Ken Piletic - Streamwood Illinois & Alma,  Arkansas
    _kenpiletic@[removed]_ (mailto:kenpiletic@[removed])

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    Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:36:01 -0400
    From: "Bob Kidera" <rkidera1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Mantan Moreland and Ben Carter

>     I remember Mantan Moreland in the Charlie Chan movies
>     doing a routing with another actor (was it Willie Best),

    Ray,

    I believe Mantan's partner in those comedy exchanges was Ben Carter, not
    Willie Best.  Carter was Moreland's former vaudeville partner, and that
    routine of interrupted conversation was an act they did for years as "Carter
    and Moreland".  Carter appeared in a couple of the Chan films and I agree,
    the routines are hilarious.  Ben died in 1946, shortly after appearing in
    one of the Chans.  He was only in his mid-30s.

    Bob Kidera
    Rochester, NY

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    Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 22:08:03 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Lucky Strike Green

    Pardon my use of sarcasm here, but Bill H has proved himself to be to be
    very gullible to the lies told by cigarette manufacturers when he repeated
    their propaganda "Lucky Strike had to eliminate green from their cartons
    because chromium, an ingredient necessary to make green paint, was in short
    supply as it was needed for the war effort."  The truth was that chromium
    was not in short supply and that the company had already been planning to
    change to the brighter white package to make the package more attractive to
    women, as well as save the money on the expensive ink and the extra press
    run that it necessitated.  So by using that fake patriotic slogan they were
    able to kill two birds -- and several million women -- with one stone.

    Shows how effective their advertising was -- it is STILL providing "good
    will" over sixty years later!!

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:16:00 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: NBC Chimes

    The problem with the NBC memo that Bill H. uses to demonstrate that the
    chimes for Red and Blue were the same, is that Michael Shoshani and I was
    discussing the era around 1929-1931 and this memo was from 1939, ten years
    later.
    We know that they didn't have different chimes for the two networks in the
    years after 1931, it's before 1931 that is still unclear.  Unfortunately
    none of the memos and contemporary articles that have been found address
    the pre-1932 era on the basis of describing it as what is happening NOW.

    Michael Biel   mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:17:21 -0400
    From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Memorization

>     I have to ask this question of Rick, just how easy do
>     you think it is to memorize a half hour to an hour script when the actor
>     has only had the play for probably less then a full 24 hours?

    My point is _really_ simple. I was just pointing out
    that radio actors were just as capable of memorization
    as those on early live TV- ones who didn't have the
    option of holding a script in their hand while
    performing their parts.

    Reading between the lines of some posts on this
    subject, I've gotten the impression that some people
    think radio actors _couldn't_ memorize lines. I was
    saying that they _could_ have. That's a whole
    different subject than not doing so because of a lack
    of time.

    On top of that, let's not forget that one post seemed
    to suggest that _I_ thought a radio actor with script
    in hand wasn't _really_ acting. In fact, I was stating
    that (to me) a particular actor (Vincent Price) did
    not sound like he was reading (contrary to what
    another poster had taken away from Mr. Price's
    performances). In fact, I pointed out that when I
    listen to just about any radio show, I hear the
    _characters_ talking to one another, and I "see" the
    events being described. I don't hear someone obviously
    _reading_ a script, and I don't "see" actors standing
    around microphones.

    My statement, quoted above, was just reinforcing my
    emphasis that these men and women were _actors_
    (again, I've emphasized the word), not some random
    people brought in off the street and told to "just
    read this."  Just because they were radio actors, who
    held scripts in their hand, did not mean they _needed_
    to do so because they would never in a million years
    have been able to memorize all those words, under any
    circumstances.

    It should go without saying, but I find myself having
    to say it anyway: if the people involved with early
    radio had decided the actors would memorize lines
    instead of holding scripts in hand, then the time
    period between the actors' receipt of their scripts to
    when they went live before the mike would be different
    than the way it was with actors holding scripts in
    hand.

    At no point did I say a radio actor would or should
    have been _required_ to memorize his or her lines. I
    said they _could_ have done so, _if_ radio (or a
    particular show) had been produced differently than it
    was.

    [removed], actually, I didn't _say_ the "if radio had been
    produced differently" part, but I would have thought
    that anyone who took a moment to _think_ about what I
    wrote would have understood that unstated caveat.

    Is that _clear_ now?

    Rick

    Yahoo! for Good
    Donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

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    Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:21:36 -0400
    From: Michael Shoshani <mshoshani@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Red vs Blue NBC Chimes

    Bill Harris quoted his own web page::

>     [removed] Fairbanks in an Interdepartment Correspondence to Mr. Keith Kiggins
>     suggested that the chimes on the Blue Network be different from the Red
>     Network chimes. "Specifically, I would like to see some serious
>     consideration given to a change in Blue Network chimes that would
>     unquestionably identify the programs being carried over this network."
>     He suggested adding 4, 5, or 6 carefully selected notes to the present
>     three-note chime so the well known NBC musical trade mark would be
>     retained but would give the Blue a unique label.

>     Evidently Fairbanks idea was never adopted and the chimes remained the
>     same for both networks.

    Fairbanks' memo was written July 21, 1939.  Almost a year later, on
    July 3, 1940, one Edgar Kobak sent the same Keith Kiggins a memo
    asking "Let's see what we can do about developing a separate set of
    chimes for the Blue." While allowing the Red to keep the three-note
    chimes, Kobak suggested that "we can develop our own chimes using the
    three notes now being used, and put on an extra one that means Blue."

    Just what NBC needed: Yet Another Fourth Chime.

    There is also a wry note at the end of a memo dated January 29, 1942,
    which was after RCA spun the Blue Network Co. off as its own network
    under RCA ownership, but before the Blue Network was sold. This memo
    from Roy Witmer to Frank Mullen blasts a suggestion by an affiliate
    that the NBC Chimes be modified to make them sound the Morse Code "V
    for Victory", then asks "Incidentally, how much are we charging the
    Blue Network Co for the use of NBC chimes? It seems as though we ought
    to get a little revenue out of a thing of this kind."

    Michael Shoshani

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    Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:58:08 -0400
    From: "Mike Hobart" <zines50@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  World War II

    Recent posts discussed shortages and taxes that happened during the war.

    Things could have been worse:  during the war, the Australian government
    simply banned the importing of American comics and popular magazines as a
    non-essential luxury.     This was good news for local comic-strip artists
    but caused a lot of heartburn amongst science fiction fans who were cut off
    from their monthly fix of "Astounding Stories" etc.

    Fortunately most radio series from America were done as "cover" versions
    locally.

    But there is a great anecdote about a local scriptwriter who was charged
    with writing the Australian version of a long-running American serial.    We
    were a few years behind with the show, so the war was over when they got
    round to the scripts dealing with those years  --  so the producers decided
    to simply skip the whole war!

    As you can imagine,it took some ingenuity on the part of the scriptwriter to
    explain the changes to the cast that had happened in those years.

    Or at least that's the story as I heard it.

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    Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 07:59:32 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  9-13 births/deaths

    September 13th births

    09-13-1871 - Alma Kruger - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 4-5-1960
    actress: Emily Mayfield "Those We Love"
    09-13-1876 - Sherwood Anderson - Camden, OH - d. 3-8-1941
    writer: "The Free Company"
    09-13-1880 - Jesse L. Lasky - San Francisco, CA - d. 1-13-1958
    film producer, host: "Gateway to Hollywood"
    09-13-1883 - Lewis E. Lawes - Elmira, NY - d. 4-23-1947
    commentator: "Twenty Thousand Years in Sing Sing"
    09-13-1894 - J. B. Priestly - Bradford, Yorkshire, England - d. 8-14-1984
    dramatist: "London After Dark"; "Studio One"; "NBC University Theatre"
    09-13-1895 - Ruth McDevitt - Coldwater, MI - d. 5-27-1976
    actress: Jane Channing "This Life is Mine"; Mother "Keeping Up with Rosemary"
    09-13-1896 - Laidman Browne - Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England - d. 9-11-1961
    actor: Sherlock Holmes "Corner in Crime"
    09-13-1900 - Gladys George - Patton, ME - d. 12-8-1954
    actress: "Lincoln Highway"
    09-13-1903 - Claudette Colbert - Paris, France - d. 7-30-1996
    actress: "Cresta Blanca Hollywood Players"; "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Millions
    for Defense"
    09-13-1903 - Ken Trietsch - Arcadia, IN - d. 9-17-1987
    musician-singer: "National Barn Dance"; "Uncle Ezra"
    09-13-1908 - Mae Questel - The Bronx, NY - d. 1-4-1998
    actress: Betty Boop "Betty Boop Fables"; Olive Oyl "Popeye the Sailor"
    09-13-1909 - Leith Stevens - Mount Moriah, MO - d. 7-23-1970
    conductor: "Death Valley Days"; "Molle Merry Minstrels"
    09-13-1911 - Bill Monroe - Rosine, KY - d. 9-9-1996
    mandolin player: (Father of Bluegrass) "Rider's Radio Theatre"
    09-13-1913 - Roy Engel - Missouri - d. 12-29-1980
    actor:Schuyler 'Sky' King "Sky King" "NBC University Theatre"
    09-13-1914 - Leonard Feather - London, England - d. 9-22-1994
    composer: "Esquire Jazz Concert"; "Mildred Bailey Show"; "One Night Stand'
    09-13-1916 - Roald Dahl - Llandaff, Wales - d. 11-23-1990
    writer: "Escape"
    09-13-1918 - Dick Haymes - Buenos Aires, Argentina - d. 3-28-1980
    singer, actor: Dick Haymes Show"; "Tommy Dorsey Show"; Crane Dockery "I Fly
    Anything"
    09-13-1918 - Ernie Winstanley - England (Raised: Canada) - d. 5-27-1992
    actor, sound effects: Scrub Troy "Secretary Hawkins' Fair and Supper Club";
    "The Lone Ranger"
    09-13-1918 - Ray Charles - Chicago, IL
    choral director: (The Other Ray Charles) "The Big Show"; "Radio Hall of Fame"
    09-13-1920 - Carole Mathews - Montgomery, IL
    actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    09-13-1924 - Scott Brady - Brooklyn, NY - d. 4-16-1985
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    09-13-1925 - Mel Torme - Chicago, IL- d. 6-5-1999
    actor, singer: Joe Corntassel "Little Orphan Annie"; "Torme Time"; "New Mel
    Torme Show"

    September 13th deaths

    02-08-1913 - Betty Field - Boston, MA - d. 9-13-1973
    actress: Mary Aldrich "Aldrich Family"
    04-18-1882 - Leopold Stokowski - London, England - d. 9-13-1977
    conductor: "NBC Symphony/Symphony of the Air"
    06-14-1918 - Dorothy McGuire - Omaha, NE - d. 9-13-2001
    actress: Sue Evans Miller "Big Sister"; "Joyce Jordan, [removed]"
    08-31-1907 - Winifred Cecil - Staten Island, NY - d. 9-13-1985
    singer: "Show Boat"
    10-15-1879 - Sara Allgood - Dublin, Ireland - d. 9-13-1950
    actress: "Radio Guild"; "Family Theatre"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-15-1900 - Mervyn LeRoy - San Francisco,CA - d. 9-13-1987
    film director: Intermission Guest "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Songs By Sinatra"
    10-22-1884 - George Washington Hill - Philadelphia, PA - d. 9-13-1946
    President of American Tobacco Company, sponsor of many radio programs
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:24:02 -0400
    From: "Neil Scott" <scotty@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Ed Carr
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    He is very much alive and kicking.    His current address is:-
    216,Shaner Street,
    Boyertown. PA 19512.

    If you need his number,let me know.
    Kind regards,
    Neil

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    Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:10:38 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  A Few Words On "Flashgun Casey"

    I'm not an enthusiast of most detective-type shows, but I've always
    enjoyed "Casey -- Crime Photographer," for its light approach, its
    journalistic theme, and, of course, the bits of jazz which season the
    Cafe scenes. So I was very pleased to get a look at the new book
    "Flashgun Casey: Crime Photographer," by J. Randolph Cox and David S.
    Siegel.

    It's a all-encompassing guide to the development of the character of
    Casey, from pulp magazines to novels, to radio, to movies, to television,
    to comic books, and the stage, and takes the time and space to really
    give you the flavor of each incarnation. There's a complete Casey short
    story from the pages of "Black Mask" magazine, along with two previously
    unpublished radio scripts. The research is impeccable, the writing flows
    along nicely, and the text is amply illustrated by a selection of
    meticulously-restored photos, brought back to life from very deteriorated
    originals by Amanda Osborne.

    I should mention, in the interests of full disclosure, that Dave Siegel
    and Amanda Osborne  are personal friends of mine -- but the book doesn't
    need the advantage of friendship to earn a solid recommendation.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 12:36:55 -0400
    From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re: Get Fuzzy

    The URL for the online "Get Fuzzy" Abbott & Costello reference was cut
    off. Here's a shorter version: go to [removed] ,
    click on "Get Fuzzy," and hit the "previous" button until you get to
    Monday's strip.

    Kermyt

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