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Date: 7/12/2003 1:20 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 271
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Laura dream                           [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      MARVIN MILLER                         [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      racist language                       [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
      Birthdates and deathdates             [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      "Our Secret World"                    [ "Mark L" <resimark@[removed]; ]
      Fu Manchu                             [ dantrigg422@[removed] ]
      Racist language                       [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
      Orson Welles writer?                  [ benohmart@[removed] ]
      racial language                       [ "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed]; ]
      Racist Language                       [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      Re: Shadow of Fu Manchu               [ "HARLAN ZINCK" <zharlan@[removed] ]
      Re: "The Hitchhiker"                  [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Lone Ranger on Thesaurus              [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
      Re: That day in November              [ "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed] ]
      Re: Favorites                         [ "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; ]
      SF program                            [ "William Schell" <bschell@[removed] ]
      Obscure 1930s shws                    [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]

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    Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:21:23 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Laura dream

        Hi Everybody,   Laura mention in a post that she had a dream to  open a
    theater that feature pr-1965 shows.  I say don,t give up the idea  Laura.
    All you need to do is to figure out review streams to support the  idea.
    Maybe a Bed and Breakfast with some of your ideas,  maybe an  eating place,
    or a store.  You have the talent and skills to pull this  off.  Take care,
    Walden

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    Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:36:29 -0400
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  MARVIN MILLER

    My mentor has more credits, in ALL the Golden Age books, than anybody in
    radio during that period!

    [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:33:33 -0400
    From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  racist language

    Doug Leary wrote :

>     applying current standards to earlier times in history . . .  happens
>     far too often in OTR discussions.

    and

>     I wouldn't call the term "Japs"
>     any uglier than the term "Brits." Both are simple abbreviations, and
>     neither word is racist. There were much worse names for foreigners. Terms
>     like "Limeys" and "Krauts" for example, seem far more disrespectful than
>     "Japs."

            I suggest that the key determinant of whether a term is racist is
    perception of the recipients. Context is also an important factor. Years
    ago I heard some white southerners argue that "nigger" was not intended
    as a racist term. But there is probably little debate about the meaning
    of the word today. In stating that terms like "Limeys" and "Krauts" for
    example, seem far more disrespectful than "Japs," Doug appears to be
    applying his own sensibilities to the issue. But the key issue is not how
    he feels about it, but how  Japanese people do (and did) feel about the
    term "Japs." My posting in the digest in Volume 2003 : Issue 270 provides
    a partial answer.

            Doug also wrote "internment camps were certainly not the result
    of racist language." But he then goes on to infer that the fact that the
    Japanese were far more alien (to Americans) than Germans in appearance,
    language, dress, housing, food and religion may have played a role in the
    extent to which Japanese Americans were singled out for internment. I
    suggest that the use of the term Jap may have reflected both the extent
    to which Americans perceived the Japanese to have been alien --- as well
    as the hostility which many Americans felt toward the Japanese.

    One more thing: we've left out of the discussion the fact that some radio
    shows and films of the war era openly called the Japanese "inhuman." I
    heard the statement while viewing a WWII era film the other day. The name
    of the film was the same name as one of the islands in the Pacific (sorry
    I can't be more specific. I'm having a senior moment.)

    Howard Blue

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    Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:34:37 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Birthdates and deathdates

    It seems as if my e-mail got lost in the ether. I am resending the birthday
    and death list for the 10th, 11th and 12th.

    July 10th births:

    07-10-1889 - Graham McNamee - Washington, [removed] - d. 5-9-1942
    announcer: "Fleischmann Hour"; "The Fire Chief"; "Treasury Hour"
    07-10-1905 - Thomas Gomez - NYC - d. 6-18-1971
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    07-10-1920 - David Brinkley - Wilmington, NC - d. 6-11-2003
    newscaster: WRC Washington [removed]; "Nightline"
    07-10-1921 - Jeff Donnell - South Windham, ME - d. 4-13-1988
    actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"

    July 10th deaths:

    05-30-1908 - Mel Blanc - San Francisco, CA - d. 7-10-1989
    actor: Professor Pierre La Blanc "Jack Benny Program"; August Moon "Point
    Sublime"
    11-11-1909 - Robert Ryan - Chicago, IL - d. 7-10-1973
    actor: "Document A/777"
    12-17-1896 - Arthur Fiedler - South Boston, MA - d. 7-10-1979
    conductor: "Robert Merrill with the Boston Pops Orchestra"; "Boston Pops"

    July 11th births

    07-11-1888 - Dr. Lyman Bryson - Valentine, NE - d. 11-24-1959
    moderator: "American School of the Air"; "Invitation to Learning"; "People"s
    Platform"
    07-11-1892 - Thomas Mitchell - Elizabeth, NJ - d. 12-17-1962
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Cavalcade of America"
    07-11-1906 - Harry Von Zell - Indianapolis, IN - d. 11-21-1981
    actor, announcer: Bill Smith "Smiths of Hollywood"; "Burns and Allen"
    07-11-1914 - Tommy Bartlett - Milwaukee, WI  - d. 9-6-1998
    emcee: "Welcome Travlers"
    07-11-1922 - Bernard Punsly - NYC
    actor: The Bowery Boys

    July 11th deaths

    01-18-1899 - Lucille Wall - Chicago, IL - d. 7-11-1986
    actress: Portia Blake "Portia Faces Life"; Belle Jones "Lorenzo Jones"
    05-22-1907 - Lord Laurence Olivier - Dorking, England - d. 7-11-1989
    actor: "Biography in Sound"; "Document A/777"; "Hour of Mystery"
    09-26-1898 - George Gershwin - Brooklyn, NY - d. 7-11-1937
    pianist, composer: "Music by Gershwin"
    12-10-1889 - Ray Collins - Sacramento, CA - d. 7-11-1965
    actor: Doc Will Hackett, "County Seat"; member of The Mercury Theatre

    July 12th births

    07-12-1884 - Edgar Stehli - Lyons, France - d. 7-16-1973
    actor: Dr. Huer "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century"; Rex A. Starr "It"s Murder"
    07-12-1886 - Jean Hersholt - Copenhagen, Denmark - d. 6-2-1956
    actor: Dr. Paul Christian "Dr. Christian"
    07-12-1895 - Oscar Hammerstein II - NYC - d. 8-23-1960
    lyricist: "Pet Milk Show"
    07-12-1908 - Milton Berle - NYC - d. 3-27-2002
    comedian: "Milton Berle Show"; "Let Yourself Go"; "Three Ring Time"
    07-12-1919 - Vera Hruba Ralston - Prague, Czechoslovakia
    actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"

    July 12th deaths

    01-27-1888 - Harry "Singin" Sam" Frankel - Hillsboro, OH - d. 7-12-1948
    singer: (The Barbasol Man) "Reminiscin" with Singin" Sam"
    02-10-1906 - Lon Chaney, Jr. - Oklahoma City,  Oklahoma Territory - d.
    7-12-1973

    actor: "Pursuit of Happiness"
    02-12-1904 - Ted Mack - Greeley, CO - d. 7-12-1976
    emcee: "Original Amateur Hour"
    06-02-1902 - Jimmie Lunceford - Fulton, MO - d. 7-12-1947
    bandleader: Big Band Remotes
    07-14-1927 - John Chancellor - Chicago, IL - d. 7-12-1996
    newscaster: WMAQ Chicago, NBC
    12-18-1864 - S. Parkes Cadman - Wellington, Shropshire, England - d. 7-12-1936
    preacher: "National Radio Pulpit"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    Hometown of [removed] Kaltenborn and Jay Jostyn

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    Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:35:03 -0400
    From: "Mark L" <resimark@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Our Secret World"

       Hello Again,

          I'm writing for a second request for any information on obtaining one
    or several copies of "Our Secret Home", a war time series that was broadcast
    out of WOR Mutual in New York from 1942-1943. Milton and Ann Stanley were
    stars. I don't mean to be a pest, but to reunite one of the actors with a
    radio program that they haven't heard in 60 years since they acted in it
    seems like a wonderful thing to do to further preserve and educate people
    about radio's golden years. I plan on producing a documentary style piece
    for syndication if I can get a hold of any copy of the show. Jim Dunning's
    book has it listed, but that's about the most I could find out with my web
    research. Speaking with quite a few collectors about this show has
    suprisingly proved fruitless, they've never heard of it. Thank you all for
    taking the time to read this, I hope someone out there could point me in the
    right direction on how to obtain a copy or speak with someone who could
    help, and I'll try to return the favor in any way possible. Thanks again.

    - Mark Lavonier
       WRVO Playhouse Producer
       please send any replies to: resimark@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:36:11 -0400
    From: dantrigg422@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fu Manchu

    I might be able to help Rick Keating out on Fu Manchu, and Radio
    Spirits/Metacom.
     Before Radio Spirits was bought by Media Bay they offered several soaps as
    in Ma Perkins, Widder Brown, The Easy Aces, and a couple more. Then one day
    they were not available along with When Radio Was.
     Thru this digest I found Jerry Haendiges web site, and he had these shows. I
    placed an order and Jerry knew who I was as he was supplying Radio Spirits
    the shows I was ordering.
     This might be what Anthony Tollin is referring to. I said might.
     I do not know if the Fu Manchu shows are the same, but I have ordered other
    sets that had shows I had received in previous sets. This happened after the
    Media Bay
     Purchase of Radio Spirits.
     Sincerely,
     Dan

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    Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:36:46 -0400
    From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Racist language

              I was listening to someone discuss the type of language
    used during the 1940's to describe the enemy.  I must admit,
    I was acquainted with most of the terminology (although I
    never use such slurs myself).  There was one I hadn't heard
    before which I wish someone would explain to me off list.
    The term was "Nip".  Does this also refer to the Japanese?

              Rumors abound about Eddie Cantor and the pro American
    stance he took on his shows.  I only have one of his programs
    on tape.  Wouldn't the censoring body of the era have edited any
    such statements from the programs or nixed their use during
    rehearsal for the program?

    Kenneth Clarke
    kclarke5@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:01:47 -0400
    From: benohmart@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Orson Welles writer?

    This isn't Quite an otr question, but if anyone here has direct contact info for an Orson
    Welles biographer, please get in touch. I have a question about Paul Frees. Thanks.

    Ben

    Gildy's Scrapbook
    [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:59:35 -0400
    From: "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  racial language
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    Another distinction between Germans and Japanese in the [removed] in 1941 was that
    the former represented significant voting blocs in New York City, Wisconsin
    and other parts of the country.  Japanese-Americans wielded no clout at the
    polls, even in California.

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    Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:50:05 -0400
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Racist Language

    Michael Berger  said

>     On radio, apart from the stereotypes, the ugly
>     word jap was used commonly, not only in dramatic shows but on newscasts,
>     before and during the war.  Again, this was in sharp contrast to
>     references to Germans, who were almost  always "Nazis" or just Germans.

    The ugly word Jap??  Who makes up these rules anyway?  Is the word Brit
    ugly?  Is the word Itai ugly?  What about yank?  I've been called Yank
    around the world and never thought it was ugly despite the fact that
    "Yankee go home" is a well known anti American slogan.
    And as I recall the Germans were called derisively called Krauts, but I
    still wouldn't call it ugly (I guess it would depend on your dietary
    tastes!)  I think that most of these things are the result of shortening
    the rather long and multi syllable national names rather than any
    original intent of racisim.
    Actually if Micheal really thought about it I think he would remember
    that it was the term "dirty jap" on the radio and in the comics that was
    meant to stir up some emotions, not the word jap alone which had been
    used for many years before WWII as had the terms Chink, Limey,etc.
    I think that it's the intent when using these words and terms that
    should be faulted not the words themselves.  We will end up with the
    english language as it was known 50 or 60 years ago being politically
    incorrect and find ourselves constantly having to create new words that
    as of yet have not been tainted by these kind of accusations.

    So I ask again. Who makes up these rules?  We probably will never know
    but I'm willing to bet that those who perpetuate these ideas by
    repeating them are the ones who are making sure that the true racists
    will have these now tainted words to use in hate against whoever they
    happen to dislike at the moment.
    By the way I have Jap gardeners who are I think beautiful people!

    George Aust

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    Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:49:49 -0400
    From: "HARLAN ZINCK" <zharlan@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Shadow of Fu Manchu

    In reference to "The Shadow of Fu Manchu," Rick Keating writes:

>     I'd still be interested to know if the episodes available from First
>     Generation Radio Archives are the same storyline and if they are complete.

    The shows the Archives is currently in the process of restoring are the ones
    purchased by Ted Davenport a couple of years ago that had never been in
    circulation before. Long-time Digest subscribers will probably remember
    that, after buying the disks, Ted made them available on CD only after a
    sufficient number of collectors sent in $[removed] each. This was to ensure that
    he would recoup the sizeable investment he made purchasing the disks - a
    wise move, considering that it took only a week or so after their release
    for them to start popping up in MP3 form all over the place. I invested the
    money myself and received the CD transfers a couple of months later.

    The first set we're working on consists of the third serial, originally
    heard in August and September 1939 and encompassing episodes #79 through
    #117. A total of 23 episodes from this serial are currently known to exist,
    meaning that sixteen episodes are still missing (episodes 83, 84, 87, 88,
    89, 90, 91, 92, 95, 96, 97, 98, 101, 102, 113, and 114). This does, of
    course, leave some gaps in the story - but its still relatively easy to
    follow. Since the series was heavily promoted and syndicated throughout the
    country, its always possible that the missing episodes will eventually turn
    up.

    As many readers know, the disks which Ted purchased from a midwestern
    collector had been poorly stored over the years and were extremely worn and
    scratchy. The resulting transfers, though well done, were unavoidably very
    noisy and riddled with defects. As a result, the restorations are taking
    considerable time - in some cases, over six hours of second-by-second,
    painstaking hands-on work for a single fifteen-minute show, even after CEDAR
    processing has been applied.

    Once completed, the restored shows will be made available to Archives
    members and, as a courtesy, a set will also be sent to Ted Davenport. We
    hope, in the future, to restore the fourth serial as well - though this will
    be awhile in coming, since something easier and less intense will definitely
    be on the agenda after this gets done.

    If you'd like to know more about the series and other Archives projects,
    stop by our website and request a free subscription to our e-mail
    newsletter.

    Harlan Zinck, Preservation Manager
    First Generation Radio Archives
    [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:26:38 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: "The Hitchhiker"

    From: "Michael Ogden" <michaelo67@[removed];

>     I have one other broadcast of "The Hitchhiker" somewhere in my
>     collection which--judging from the commercials and the ambience--
>     dates from the late Fifties or early Sixties. It features, apparently,
>     an amateur cast, but isn't half bad (as I remember). The name
>     of the series was something like OUT OF THE MIST.    Mike Ogden

    Uh oh.  That wouldn't happen to be "Thru the Mist" would it?  And could
    those commercials really have been Public Service Announcements?  And could
    the date be from 1966 or 67?  If so, it might be a production that I
    starred in which was aired several times, including as part of the "Thru
    the Mist" series.  There's an excerpt of it on [removed] with
    comments by the producer and myself, and a matching excerpt from the 2nd
    Orson Welles version.  Surely these programs aren't circulating out there.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:24:52 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

       From Those Were The Days --

    1946 - The Adventures of Sam Spade was heard on ABC for the first time.

       Joe

    --
    Visit my homepage: [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:25:37 -0400
    From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Lone Ranger on Thesaurus

>     In 1932 The lone Ranger was pressed on 16" platters and pressed for the NBC
>     thesaurus program syndication.

    Sorry Saul, I wish this were true, but it couldn't be. The Lone Ranger was
    not recorded, let alone pressed and distributed, before 1938. While it is
    not impossible that someone somewhere recorded a pre-1938 show off of a line
    or the air (the technology did exist), no copies have ever turned up.
    Thesaurus didn't become available until about late 1934, or that's when it
    was first advertised in trade magazines, and it didn't contain any LR eps. A
    quick glance through the Joyce Record Club Thesaurus catalog reveals no such
    entries.

    The labels you saw were more likely from the 40s. I have asked myself many
    times what I would give to hear the Ranger from 1935 or earlier. So far I
    haven't had to decide.

    Joe Salerno

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    Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:29:23 -0400
    From: "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: That day in November

      On November 22, 1963 I was stationed at Schofield Barracks, Hawaii as a
    postal clerk for the 25th Administration Company. I had the radio on when
    the news bulletin came across about JFK being shot and was the first to tell
    the company commander about it.
      We had a memorial parade for JFK and will never forget that parade as I
    marched. There was a very real concern at that time about whether another
    country may have been behind the assassination.
      Just missed by minutes seeing Lee Harvey Oswald shot on national TV but
    didn't really want to see it anyway.
      This day emphasized the power of radio as I was 4000 miles from Dallas yet
    could hear the news instantly. Even though OTR had died 13 months earlier it
    did show radio still was a useful medium.
      Andrew Godfrey

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    Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:30:24 -0400
    From: "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Favorites

    Larry (Lux Radio Threatre) A. proposes the following panel and discussion:

>     First would be Elizabeth M. (Amos & Andy). Second Stephen K. (Capt. Midnight)
>     and third Michael H. (Dragnet). The question before the panel is of the
>     three which show has had the most significant influence on current fashions.

    I'll have to go with Captain Midnight on this one, Larry.  A good leather
    bomber-jacket never goes out of style!

    Michael H.

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    Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:56:09 -0400
    From: "William Schell" <bschell@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  SF program

    Does anyone remember a radio program from San Francisco in the mid-50's
    titled "What is it?".  I can remember listening to this show from So. Calif.
    with the signal wavering in and out.  I think they had an audience and there
    were lots of sound effects. As I remember it was just a mish mash of stuff
    similar to the early "Hawthorne" TV shows out of LA.
    Bill Schell

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    Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:05:28 -0400
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Obscure 1930s shws

    A trading buddy of mine, Stephen Jansen in Illinois, has recently
    acquired of set of four 15 minute radio shows which neither of us know
    anything about, nor can we find these shows mentioned in all our
    standard OTR reference books. They could be BBC shows, although the
    presumption is they are North American productions. Purportedly they
    were originally produced by "Broadcasters Program Syndicate--Bruce Ellis
    & Associates."

    The four programs are: 1) Transatlantic Murder Mystery,  2) Stratosphere
    Murder Mystery, 3) Nemesis, Inc. and 4) Stonehill Prison Mystery.
    Numbers 1 and 2 have a female PI in leading role, Irene Delroy. Number 3
    also features a lady detective, Marie Ravell (phonetic) and Stephen is
    convinced that the announcer on this show is the same announcer of 1930s
    series, "Ghost Corps."

    Anybody who can help us out here?   Elizabeth?

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
    [removed]

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