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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2008 : Issue 240
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK               [ Jerry Haendiges <jerryhaendiges@cha ]
  16-inch transcription disk player     [ David Ballarotto <[removed]@ ]
  Re: Jack Benny and the ????           [ Mark Langkau <mark@[removed]; ]
  Jack Benny and the ????               [ Daniel Sears <fitzball2003@hotmail. ]
  Commissioner Weston                   [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
  Re: x-ray records                     [ rand@[removed] ]
  Sonny Raley, [removed]                   [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Cimarron Rolls                        [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
  Re: Home Recordings                   [ Steve Salaba <dangerdanger@sbcgloba ]
  RE:Jack Benny and the ????            [ Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed]; ]
  Sonny Raley, part 2                   [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Magic Radio                           [ Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed]; ]
  Commercials and cigarette advertisin  [ Abxbox@[removed] ]
  This Day in Network Radio             [ david rogers <david_rogers@hotmail. ]
  Fibber McGee in the 1974              [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:55:20 -0400
From: Jerry Haendiges <jerryhaendiges@[removed];
To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK

Hi Friends,

Here is this week's schedule for my Olde Tyme Radio Network. Here you
may listen to high-quality broadcasts with Tom Heathwood's "Heritage
Radio Theatre," Big John Matthews and Steve "Archive" Urbaniak's "The
Glowing Dial" and my own "Same Time, Same Station."  Streamed in
high-quality audio, on demand, 24/7 at [removed]
Check out our High-Quality mp3 catalog at:
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=======================================

SAME TIME, SAME STATION

Connie Haines Memorial Tribute

THE ABBOTT AND COSTELLO SHOW
Episode 26   11-18-43    "Lucille Ball's Nylon Stockings"
NBC CAMEL CIGARETTES Thursdays 7:00-7:30 pm
STARS: Bud Abbott and Lou Costello, Mel Blanc
SINGERS: Connie Haines, Camel Five
ANNOUNCER: Ken Niles
MUSIC: Freddie Rich Orchestra

THE JACK KIRKWOOD SHOW
Episode 1    7-1-46    Guest: Connie Haines
STARS: Jack Kirkwood, Frank Nelson, Ruth Perrott, Lillian Lee, Gene La
Valle, Billy Gray, Mel Blanc.
ANNOUNCER: Jimmy Wallington
MUSIC: Lud Gluskin and His Orchestra
DIRECTOR: Paul Franklin
WRITER: Jay Summers

COMMAND PERFORMANCE
Episode 123   6-3-44   "All Girl [removed] Three"
Stars: Connie Haines, Shirley Ross, Lena Horne, Lotta Lehman, Frances
Langford, Frank Sinatra, Bing Croaby, Bob Hope, Jerry Colonna
Host: Ken Carpenter

THE MARIO LANZA SHOW
Episode 3    6-24-51    Guest: Connie Haines
CBS COCA-COLA Sundays 8:00 - 8:30 pm.
STARS: Mario Lanza
MUSIC: Ray Sinatra Orchestra
ANNOUNCER: Bill Baldwin
Summer replacement for "The Charlie McCarthy Show"
==================================

HERITAGE RADIO THEATER

YOU ARE THERE
(CBS)    7/28/47   "Columbus Discovers America"
John Daly and Don Hollenbeck recreate the mistaken discovery.

THE RED SKELTON SHOW
(CBS)    6/3/51   "Take Me Out to the Ballgame"

GUEST STAR
(US Treasury/Defense Bonds) 12/28/47 Guest: Frank Sinatra.
====================================

THE GLOWING DIAL

  Silver Theater - "Danger Lights"
originally aired December 12, 1938 on CBS
Starring: Clark Gable, Paula Winslow, John Conte announcing.
Sponsor: International Silver Company

Theatre of Romance - "Casanova Brown"
originally aired November 13, 1945 on CBS
Starring: Henry Fonda.
Sponsors: Colgate, Halo Shampoo

Encore Theater - "Green Light"
originally aired June 25, 1946 on CBS
Starring: Robert Young, Pedro de Cordova, Frank Graham announcing.
Sponsor: Schenley Labs, Inc.

Academy Award Theater - "Suspicion"
originally aired October 30, 1946 on CBS
Starring: Cary Grant, Ann Todd, Hugh Brundage announcing.
Sponsor: E. R. Squibb & Sons

Camel Screen Guild Theatre - "Call Northside 777"
originally aired October 7, 1948 on NBC
Starring: James Stewart, Pat O'Brien, Richard Conte, Michael Roy announcing.
Sponsor: Camel Cigarettes
==================================

If you have any questions or request, please feel free to contact me.

      Jerry Haendiges

      Jerry@[removed]  562-696-4387
      The Vintage Radio Place   [removed]
      Largest source of Old Time Radio Logs, Articles and programs on
the Net

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:56:16 -0400
From: David Ballarotto <[removed]@[removed];
To: Old Time Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  16-inch transcription disk player

A colleague of mine has acquired six 16-inch transcription disks from KDKA
radio from 1946. He found them at a garage sale this weekend and has no way
of playing them.
Is there anyone in the Pittsburgh area who would have information on a player
for these disks?

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:57:08 -0400
From: Mark Langkau <mark@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re:  Jack Benny and the ????

Bryan Jensen asks:

Jack had Rochester get some ???? (some kind of baked good I think).  As I
understand they mispronounced the name of the ???? and got some laughs.

I don't recall the dates, but I think the they were looking for
Cinnamon/Cimmeron Rolls.

Hope this helps.

-Mark

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:57:32 -0400
From: Daniel Sears <fitzball2003@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Jack Benny and the ????

Jack had Rochester get some ???? (some kind of baked good I think).  As I
understand they mispronounced the name of the ???? and got some laughs.  Well
they kept the gag in for at least a month maybe more.  It ends up someone
asks what ???? was.  The reply was it was from a lady named ???? (the
mispronunciation of whatever the original baked goods were.) who lived down
the street.

Are you thinking of "Cimarron Rolls"?  I remember a bit with that on a show.
I think Mary even got involved with reading the label on the box, only to
find that the label said "Cimarron" as well.  It ended with Jack calling the
bakery and having a fight with Mel Blanc, I think.

I don't have an actual date for the show, but I would guess early-50's, if my
memory of the audio quality is accurate.

Daniel Sears

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:57:57 -0400
From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Commissioner Weston
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       I've been listening to some of the episodes I have of "The Shadow"
and I must say, "I'm a bit confused!".  In many of the episodes, the Shadow
and Margo Lane seem to have a good relationship with Commissioner Weston.
They'll discover something out about a criminal they're investigating or
uncover some evidence, and turn it over to him and he'll run with it.  No
problem,
no question about why is invisible to the human eye or how/when/where the
Shadow came across the information.

      In some of the episodes, however, Weston has a relationship with the
Shadow
and Margo that borders on animosity.  He seems to resent the Shadow and Margo
assisting with his cases, instead of being grateful for their undercover
assistance
and even has some of his officers follow him in an attempt to discover who
the
Shadow actually is (he never succeeds) during a weak moment.

      My question is what type of relationship was there supposed to be
between
the Shadow, Margo Lane, and Commissioner Weston and why all the animosity
between him (Weston) and the Shadow in later shows.  Was this intentional?
Seems to me, that all of the undercover work the Shadow and Margo did on his
behalf worked to his advantage.  They did, after all, give the results to him
so he
could take credit for it.  The Shadow and Margo Lane never claimed any credit
for
solving crimes.

      What do you think?

Sincerely,

Kenneth Clarke
Another OTR Fan

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:56:51 -0400
From: rand@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: x-ray records

Peter notes:

I recall hearing years ago about the Germans,
during the war years, using X-ray machines to make recordings
of jazz music (apparently banned under Hitler), from radio b-casts.   I
never discovered the details involved in this, but it sure sounds
interesting.  Anyone ever hear about [removed]

I think you might be mixing this up with something that was done by
individuals behind the Iron Curtain during the Cold War.

In some parts of the USSR and other communist countries where Western
music was banned or frowned on, people would "cut" records on used x-rays.
 Basically, they'd take the x-ray, made of thick plastic, and put it on a
record cutter and duplicate records from the West or make their own
records.

It was used quite a bit by "punk" and rock musicians behind the Iron
Curtain.  The discs are known as "bones" among collectors.

I've never heard of this being done in Germany during WW II, but it's
certainly possible.

Randy

_____
Randy A. Riddle
Mebane, NC

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:58:05 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Sonny Raley, [removed]

Helen, Sonny's wife, just phoned me this morning to tell me Sonny passed away
at the hospital. I was not able to
understand everything clearly over the phone but it appeared that internal
bleeding could not be controlled.

His health was not good the past year, suffering from one complication after
another.

Anyone who has attended FOTR or the Cincinnati OTR Convention on a regular
basis knew Sonny as the kind
fella who sold matted autographs of celebrities. I have been to his house a
number of times and can state from
observation that all of the autographs were always legit -- something that is
difficult to come by because of so
much fraud out there. Sonny took pride with his collection. Decades ago, he
went
to California and with a tour guide map went about collecting as many
auographs as he could. He went to shows
and got autographs. He spent many days visiting movie stars at their homes,
getting a tour, and had wonderful
stories to tell about the actors. His presense at the events will be missed.

His favorite radio program was Johnny Dollar and his favorite fictional
character was Zorro. During his youth,
Sonny delivered beer to various spots for a brewery and so he could tell you
what kind of beer or alcoholic beverage
you were drinking just by smelling it -- a game I liked playing with him at
conventions. He loved Disney movies
and the studio itself (as does Helen) and could name the actresses in SWISS
FAMILY ROBINSON quicker than I
could look it up in Maltin's movie guide.

With the exception of visiting a convention as an attendee for a brief few
minutes, he had not set up at conventions
during the past year because of his declining health. The day and time for
the services have not been scheduled yet,
but the woman at the funeral home said it will be posted on the home page
[removed] starting sometime Tuesday.

I looked up the information for the Funeral Home, reprinted below, for anyone
wanting to keep up with the details.
His name may appear as James Raley because Sonny was his nickname.

Gasch's Funeral Home
4739 Baltimore Avenue
Hyattsville, Maryland 20781

Telephone: [removed]
Fax: [removed]
E-mail: info@[removed]
[removed]

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:03:56 -0400
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cimarron Rolls

Hi Gang -

In issue 237, Bryan Jensen asks about "... the mispronunciation of whatever
the original baked goods were. ..." on the Jack Benny Program.  I believe
Bryan is asking about "Cimarron Rolls", in which Mel Blanc originally
mispronounced several weeks earlier instead of Cinnamon Rolls.  This was a
running gag
for a long time.  I sometimes ask for Cimarron Rolls in  the bakery just to
see if anybody remembers the gag.  Nobody  does.   Hope this helps.

Happy Taping - Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois    and   Alma, Arkansas

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:05:37 -0400
From: Steve Salaba <dangerdanger@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Home Recordings

My dad had one of the old Wilcox-Gay Recordios, though I don't recall
him ever taking it out and using it during my lifetime. I found it in
the closet after my folks split when I was ten. It's long gone now,
although I recently found a few cheap discs that Dad made from the
radio with Jack Benny, Joan Blondell, and a Jimmy Durante/Garry Moore
show. Unfortunately, since these were the cheap discs, the surface
has flaked off a lot and what's left plays with so much hiss and
noise that one can barely hear it, even with a "78" needle. Perhaps a
computer transfer would clean them up, but I don't think they are
very rare shows.

My best find seems to be a somewhat better quality disc that appears
to have various people speaking into the microphone, congratulating
someone - I think it may be guests at my parents' wedding! This is
one I will *have* to try to clean up in my computer!

I recently acquired a Presto record cutter (much better than the
Recordio) and I have been busily recording songs on to 78 RPM discs -
the kind of songs that should be on 78 but aren't. Folks are
flabbergasted when I tell them that I feed the signal into the Presto
from my iPod!

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:05:58 -0400
From: Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  RE:Jack Benny and the ????

From: Bryan Jensen <zr702@[removed];

Jack had Rochester get some ???? (some kind of baked good I think).

Actually, you must be referring to the man in the bakery, played by Mel
Blanc, who can't pronounce cinnamon. He pronounces it cimmeron. Jack keeps
trying to get him to pronounce it right, to no avail. This does stretch out
for a few episodes. At one point, Mary looks at the label and sees that it
actually IS Cimmeron roles, from the JC Cimmeron company, not to be confused
with cinnamon roles, "which are made from entirely different 'ingredaments'."

I don't know the dates off-hand, but it's from the early 1950s.

Alan
_________________
Alan/Linda Bell
Grand Rapids, MI

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:06:40 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Sonny Raley, part 2

FYI: A large card will be available on one of the tables at FOTR for anyone
who wants to sign a message for Sonny's widow, Helen. A small display
featuring a photo or two of Sonny will be featured. If anyone wants to bring
a photo of Sonny to display, there will be space on the table. Jay Hickerson
was kind enough to extend a table for this.

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:06:57 -0400
From: Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Magic Radio

Years ago, I remember meeting with someone who told me he had
produced or worked with Jim Jordan (Fibber McGee) on a radio show
about the early days of radio. Each broadcast took a different day of
the week and played excerpts of programs that were on that night. I
think I recorded on of those shows.

I thought the program was produced in Florida, but, I could be wrong.

Fred
Check us out for old time radio & TV shows & Movie Serials
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:07:27 -0400
From: Abxbox@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Commercials and cigarette advertising

Hello,
I read all  the OTR posts but this is the first time in a very long time that
I have sent a  post/questions.  All comments/help for my two questions would
be greatly  appreciated.

Question 1:  During World War II (and after) the  Armed Forces Radio Network
(AFR) had a policy of removing commercials from all  shows broadcast to the
overseas GI's.  Removing a commercial(s) from a show  such as Gunsmoke, where
there was a definite break in the story line was  easy.  But I have wondered
about shows where the commercial was integrated  into the show so thoroughly,
[removed], The Jack Benny Show & Fibber McGee and  Molly, that the story line of
the
show would suffer if the commercial was  removed in its entirety.  I would
guess (?) that there were two versions of  these shows broadcast, one the
usual
show with commercial, and a show without  the commercial.  But if so this
would
increase production costs  considerably so perhaps my guess is incorrect.  Any
and all enlightenment  on how commercials were removed from commercial shows,
for broadcast over AFR,  would be greatly appreciated.

2.  I have been told more than once  that any OTR show containing a cigarette
commercial cannot be broadcast on any  radio (TV) station because cigarette
advertising is  banned.  Supposedly this is the reason that the Jack Benny
Show
is  seldom broadcast over any of the OTR shows (with the exception of the
Benny  shows sans commercial, back to question 1) as this would be violating
the
law.  This is the interpretation of the law by station WAMU in Washington,
DC, where the delightful OTR show, "The Big Broadcast," is heard on a weekly
basis, hosted by Ed Walker.  Is this station (and others) interpreting the
cigarette advertising ban too broadly?  Common sense (!) would dictate  that a
show that is broadcast ([removed], The Jack Benny Show) as part of an OTR  show
lineup is of a historical nature, being painfully obvious that the  show is
related
to OTR radio history and the cigarette advertising is no  longer relevant.
Again, any enlightenment on this topic will be greatly  appreciated.

Regards,
Joseph (Joe) Michael Cierniak
e-mail:  abxbox@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:09:27 -0400
From: david rogers <david_rogers@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  This Day in Network Radio

Jim Cox wrote:

Next month McFarland will release "This Day in Network Radio."  It may be
ordered now, today, at [removed].

This is a little embarrassing but I will tell you all anyway.  As no one had
replied I thought, why not try to make a site myself.  I have been busy
recently preparing for my students mid-term exams, however Sunday night I
made this:

[removed]

I used dates from the Otter project, inserted the names of the shows, pasted
them into MS Word, sorted the lists so they went into date order and then
pasted the shows onto their year page.  Actually inserting the names of the
shows was a bit of a pain.  I use [removed] for my classes and I thought it
might be useful as it has a nice search function.  All the time I was
thinking "Why has nobody done this already?  What shows were playing when I
was born? When I was married?"  Also it might be interesting to see what
other shows were broadcast in the same [removed] etc

And then they release a book!!!  It just goes to show that there are no new
ideas.

Okay so I may abandon my idea and try and order the book.

Red-faced I will now return to preparing my exams.

Love as always

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:10:01 -0400
From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Fibber McGee in the 1974

The program that several people are trying to identify is "Fibber McGee
& the Good of days of Radio"
Tha was a special short series that was made to celebrate the 50th
anniversary of The Chrysler's Airtemp
Air conditioning and was syndicated to radio stations around the
country. The ates it was aired was
4/28/74, 5/5/74, 5/12/74, 5/19/74, 5/26/74, 6/2/74 and 6/9/74. I believe
that each episode was aired a different day of the week starting with
Sunday 4/28/74 and the last episode aired on Friday 6/9/74 . Each
episode Jim Jordan and Chuck Schaden would talk about Mondays programs
and play a clips of the shows on Tuesday' episode the Tuesdays and so on
on each day of [removed] last Episode was  Saturday Programs. Each
episode was one hour.

Chuck Schaden was chosen because He and Jim Jordan had become friends
and his collecton of OTR.

Frank McGurn

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