Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #50
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 2/2/2003 8:11 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 50
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Shadow joke                           [ "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@comc ]
      Mystery Is My Hobby                   [ Thomasmartin245@[removed] ]
      What is OTR??                         [ Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed]; ]
      Any good come from WW-2               [ EdHowell@[removed] ]
      Of All The Words of Tongue and Pen .  [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Duffy's Tavern lead in                [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
      words                                 [ M Kidd <bearfootn65@[removed]; ]
      MP3 radio                             [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      Is that's what's bothering you, Bunk  [ "Kenneth Ruggles" <kruggles@[removed]. ]
      Thankyou and some information please  [ richard@[removed] ]
      words, word, words                    [ M Kidd <bearfootn65@[removed]; ]
      ...and touched the face of God        [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      So much info                          [ M Kidd <bearfootn65@[removed]; ]
      Joe Friday's partners and writers     [ "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@neb. ]
      local police show                     [ M Kidd <bearfootn65@[removed]; ]
      Perspectives?                         [ wich2@[removed] ]
      GHOSTS IN A SIT-COM                   [ wilditralian@[removed] ]
      French's web site                     [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:28:27 -0500
    From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Shadow joke

    If your local newspaper carries "Gasoline Alley," artist Jim Scancarelli has
    included a nifty reference to the person who knows what evil lurks in the
    hearts of men in the Sunday (February 2, 2003) panel. :-)

    Ivan G. Shreve, Jr.

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:28:45 -0500
    From: Thomasmartin245@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Mystery Is My Hobby

    I've discovered 40 shows of Mystery Is My Hobby series on my reels. I can
    find no information on this series except for what is in Jay Hickersons book.
    I have searched the net for a Log of this show with no results. Can anyone be
    of help? I sure would appreciate it.
    Tom

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:32:58 -0500
    From: Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  What is OTR??

    What is Old Time Radio ? That is a question that I
    suppose will gather different answers from different
    people. I imagine if you are a teen ager programs from
    70's and 80's are OTR but to people that are in their
    30's or 40's a program from that era is not OTR. Where
    is the cut off between OTR and NEW RADIO?  Who has the
    given right to make that decesion?  Who appointed them
    as the leader and one in charge to make that decision.
    Another [removed] do retailers of OTR make the
    cut-off where they do?
    Really, according to retail establishments that I have
    talked to and asked why they dont stock OTR Programs
    there answers have been that it doesn't sell that
    quickly and it is only a very small number of
    consumers that want it. Are people that collect,
    listen and enjoy OTR that different??
    These are just a few questions that have passed
    through my head and I thought it might be worth
    reading YOUR OPINIONS.
    Another quick question. I have seen the name Paul
    Harvey bounced around. Are news broadcasters OTR??  I
    dont read about other old news broadcasters being
    talked about. What makes him so special??
    Pete

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: For the purposes of the mailing list, OTR ends in 1962 with
    the removal of the last two network dramatic shows, "Yours Truly Johnny
    Dollar" and "Suspense." Yeah, I know, it's arbitrary, and no one gets yelled
    at for mentioning "General Mills Theater," but that's the ballpark for
    purposes of the Digest. As to who, in this narrow case of the OTR Digest, has
    the right to make that decision? That would [removed]  --cfs3]

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:33:12 -0500
    From: EdHowell@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Any good come from WW-2

    Two of the many good things that came out of World War Two were the Yagi
    antenna and the wire recorder. The war also brought new blood to America when
    GIs brought back their brides that were natives of other countries.
    Personally, I believe that if those new women hadn't been brought over here
    we would have eventually uglied ourselves to death.

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:33:48 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Of All The Words of Tongue and Pen ...

    Ron Sayles asks,

>     Did the devastation of World War II achieve anything of lasting value.

    Yes.  Stopping Hitler and the expansionist faction in Japan.

>     However, consider this theory. Because of World War II the development
>     of television was held up while we were making the world safe for
>     democracy. Had television been allowed to develop at a normal pace, we
>     would have lost several years of radio programming.

    Actually, IMHO, quite the reverse was the case.  The pressures of war
    accelerated the development of mass-produced cathode-ray tubes (CRTs) in
    order to fill the need for radar displays.  Without that effort, the
    electronics industry had the materials and the tooling to shift to a
    consumer product like a television set.  Also, the dynamics of wanting to
    make a better life after the war also made something like television
    psychologically desirable.  If World War II hadn't occurred, the chances
    are that consumer television would have taken many more years to be
    developed.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:34:21 -0500
    From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Duffy's Tavern lead in

              I remember one episode of  Duffy's Tavern where the lead
    in to the program went as follows:

              "Duffy's Tavern, where the elite meet to eat.  Today's special:
    pig's pickled feet.  Archie the manager speaking.  Duffy ain't here.
    Oh, hello Duffy!"

              Hearing it this way was a bit of a surprise for me, since
    specials
    at Duffy's Tavern weren't always mentioned.

    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:34:34 -0500
    From: M Kidd <bearfootn65@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  words
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    To add to the pile.  Being from central Washington state, one would think we
    had no accent.  I never realized how I talked until moving and listening to
    myself on tape.  In the 50's, there was little influence on us - we really
    were just about in the middle of nowhere with school and radio our only
    social contact.  My folks were from Oregon and Montana, two relatively
    non-accent areas.   Mom had Missouri and mid west influences, and Dad from
    northern areas.    Yet, neither one really had any remarkable words/accents,
    as far as I can remember.  In fact they were probably people who could have
    gone to diction school and not needed much from there; both were of the
    laborer level, too.  I believe that what influenced them was that they were
    not around others, where everyone spoke a 'private' language.

    The biggest influence on me in accents were the folks who came up from
    Arkansas, etc., as migrant workers.  Boy, did I pick that up.  I think I
    still have certain words I use, I say   'Warshington", I can tell who comes
    from another area by how that word is pronounced.  My sister spoke more
    Oklahomian than my brother in law after she lived there only one year.

    In Northern California, there is a local dialect that goes back to the
    1800's, I can't remember right off where or what.  But a magazine article
    said it was just now dieing out, people moving, etc.

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:34:54 -0500
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  MP3 radio

    Bob says (of the Memorex 3123):  "I found what I was seeking at Radio
    Shack-  Memorex #3123 for $[removed]"

    This is a small boombox, and it is on sale right now (at least on the
    Radio Shack web site) for $[removed]  Think I'll check it out this
    [removed]

    ---Dan

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:35:15 -0500
    From: "Kenneth Ruggles" <kruggles@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Is that's what's bothering you, Bunky?

    This may be off-topic, but I am have been racking my brains trying to
    remember the name of a comedian who was popular back in the 50's and 60's
    and made several comedy records.  I did remember hearing him on radio.  The
    only line I remember him saying "Is that's what's bothering you, Bunky?".
    The comedy bits always started with sentences like "You say your
    mother-in-law" or some such thing that was a whole list of bad thing that
    would happen to a person.

    I would be grateful if any of you would be able to come up with the name.  I
    would love to find some of his albums, since they were truly hilarious.  I
    had some, but think they got thrown away a number of years ago, to my
    regret.

    Thanks for any one with a better memory than mine on this one.

    Ken Ruggles

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:36:00 -0500
    From: richard@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Thankyou and some information please:

    Dear Digesters,

    Thank you all so much for the amazing response to my input about The
    Original Red Lifebuoy Soap   [removed]  ,  and for all the people
    who wanted a sample bar, you should have all received them by now. I think I
    have answered everyone now and you have all been so kind. So many amazing
    questions about how I got from EMI Abbey Road sound engineer to The Original
    Red Lifebuoy Soap and Lux soap. Thanks again.

    Something closer to your hearts I think, and a question maybe someone can
    answer. I worked in all departments of Abbey Road Studios here in London,
    from Studio Operations to my final position as a CD Preparation Engineer, I
    was happy about being in the CD department as I usually knew what time I was
    getting home in the evenings and I suppose I was too old for "pop" sessions
    anyway.
    In the early 70`s, I think it was, I was `cutting` discs, masters for the
    factory and playback lacquers. I received a `job` that interested me very
    much. Why it came to me / us in London I don`t know, maybe it had something
    to do with Capitol, our company in the USA. It was to make a `master` for
    the factory of an EP with American radio advertisements, old and new, I
    think old on one side and new on the other side.
    The ads, very short of course of the `old` programmes included: The
    Pepsodent show starring Bob Hope,  Jello and Jello puddings - Jack Benny I
    think, What`s the name "Fred Allen" remember, Good evening Mr & Mrs North
    America and all the ships at sea - Walter Winchell, Wheaties, Fleischmans
    Yeast Hour with Rudy Vallee,  Old Ma Perkins - Rinso I think, Gangbusters
    etc,
    On the `new side was a commercial for the Sierra  Sahara Hotel weekend in
    Las Vegas, A commercial for some kind of nuts, one for the Bell telephone
    company for an extension in the basement,  and others.
    I think I have the disc in my loft, not sure though.

    I remember asking what this was for and I think I was told it was for the
    Mobil Oil company to give away at their petrol stations.
    Thank you, that's all I know,  does anyone remember this disc and was the
    information I was given true? can anyone throw any light on this for me
    please.

    My warmest regards to you all,

    Richard Langham.
    London.

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:36:27 -0500
    From: M Kidd <bearfootn65@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  words, word, words
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    The information John Mayer shared is very important, and I believe those
    tidbits garnered from here and there are gems which should be kept.   Mr.
    Mayer was absolutely correct in his description of President Roosevelt and
    Mr. Churcill.

      The influences from grammer school eduction went far beyond the written
    word.  Students memorized and recited most of their work; they didn't have
    even the most rudimentary of equipment for the most part.  Their materials
    covered much more than students of today.  They were also taught breath
    control; this was also part of hygiene-life and death then.  (I  collect old
    educational material; I also have a degree in education.)  This affected how
    people sounded when it came to certain levels of expectations.  Similar to
    how people were expected to speak and act in an office vs at home/personal;
    this is not an expectation now.  There was an adult level and a child level.

      Going back to my folks, they were of the generation which did have classes
    and tests such as the one John shared.  They were expected to be adults and
    knowledgeable if they were to have a diploma.  But, let me say that probably
    a small portion of those attending school then and today could actually
    achieve an honest high grade with those expectations.   My Dad could only go
    through the 8th grade because of needing to work, and was 15 when he
    graduated, with percentiles in the 90%; he went into WWI at 16 and was never
    able to go on education wise.  But he not only spoke intelligently, he was
    intelligent; but he never spoke down to himself, others or his family.

    J. Lomax has some wonderful recordings of real people.  The Library of
    Congress/Ntl Archives is trying to save them; they are re-recording them
    because of the loss of quality, etc.  I have a tape of some of his
    information, if anyone is interested.  We need to encourage whatever accent a
    person has, that is that person's identity; but we also need to encourage
    appropriate useages.

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:37:06 -0500
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  ...and touched the face of God
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    Hello friends.  I've had the following poem "High Flight" on our wall for
    some years.  I think it particularly good  to share it with everyone
    following Saturday's tragedy.  I hope you will agree.  The poem was brought
    to the attention of millions of people by aviator Arthur Godfrey, who read
    it and told its origin on his broadcasts at least once a year, for many years.

    Here's the story.  It's about John Gillespie Magee, Jr., an American
    serving with the Royal Canadian Air Force. He was born in Shanghai, China
    in 1922, the son of missionary parents, Reverend and Mrs. John Gillespie
    Magee.  His father was an American, his mother originally a British citizen.

    Their son came to the [removed] in 1939 and earned a scholarship to Yale, but in
    September 1940 he enlisted in the RCAF, and was graduated as a pilot. In
    July 1941, he was sent to England for combat duty.  Only weeks later, in
    August or September 1941, Pilot Officer Magee composed "High Flight" to
    express for his parents his love for flying, and his positive outlook
    despite the horrors of wartime.

    Only days after the infamous attack on Pearl Harbor which brought the
    United States into World War II, Pilot Officer Magee was killed in action,
    on December 11, 1941.  His Spitfire collided with another aircraft in the
    skies over England.  The letter bearing the poem was received by his family
    after they had been notified of his death.  His remains are in the
    churchyard cemetery at Scopwick, Lincolnshire.  He was 19 years old.

     From Lee Munsick, who shared their love of flying enough to get his own
    pilot's license, but never dreamed at the time the heights to which
    aviation--and courageous men and women who follow it--would fly.   God
    bless them all, these voyagers into the future.  I hope everyone will save
    the poem, perhaps frame it on their wall, and remember.

    "High Flight"

    Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
    And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
    Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
    Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things
    You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung
    High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
    I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
    My eager craft through footless halls of air.
    Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
    I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace
    Where never lark, or even eagle flew -
    And, while with silent lifting mind I've trod
    The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
    Put out my hand and touched the face of God.

    John Gillespie Magee, Jr.

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:37:19 -0500
    From: M Kidd <bearfootn65@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  So much info
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    Pardon all of my e-mails, but I am trying to catch up on OTR letters.

    Thanks also to Elizabeth McLeod for the information she has shared on
    terms/words.  I guess I am a linguistic junkie; that is not to say I like
    linguine.  Althought they both derive from L. lingua.  Sorry.

    Who played Mr. Kitzell?  I keep thinking it was Mel Blanc.   I love that
    man's voice; my brother and I say hello using his accent.

    Thanks

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:37:27 -0500
    From: "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@[removed];
    To: "old time radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Joe Friday's partners and writers

    Hello all:
    I've been listening to a series of Dragnet programs from 1952 and I wonder
    if any fans can clear something up for me.  I know that Ben Romero was Joe
    Friday's partner until December of 1951.  Then Barton Yarborough died of a
    heart attack and they wrote Romero's death into the script.  Barney Phillips
    then played Joe's partner, SGT. Ed Jacobs, until April of 1952.  At that
    point, Ed Jacobs got a job teaching at the police academy and Ben Romero's
    nephew, Bill Lockwood (Martin Milner), became Joe's partner for a time.  He
    was featured in three episodes, "The Big Bunco," "The Big Elevator," and
    "The Big Gamble."  However, there are several episodes mingled with these
    featuring Frank smith as Joe's partner, as played by Herb Ellis.  Then we
    have one more episode with Bill Lockwood, "The Big Donation," this time
    played by Ken Peters, then Friday returns to Frank Smith.  Smith was
    portrayed by several actors including Vic Perrin, Ken Patterson, Harry
    Bartell and again by Ellis until Ben Alexander assumed the role permanently
    in September of 1952.  Can anyone explain this big shake-up in partners and
    actors.  What happened to Bill Lockwood and how did Friday and Frank Smith
    hook up?  Why did so many different actors play the role and how did Ben
    Alexander manage to stick with the part?
    Also, I note that James Mosier was the primary writer for Dragnet until
    sometime in 1952, when Jack Robinson took over the job.  This seems odd
    since Mosier won several Edgar awards from the Mystery Writers of America.
    Can anyone explain this?
    RyanO

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:52:33 -0500
    From: M Kidd <bearfootn65@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  local police show
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    In the 1950's, we listened to a show out of Seattle (we were in Yakima),
    which had actual recordings of what were State Patrol (I believe) stops.  I
    haven't found anyone who knows about this; I met a fellow in the late 60's
    who had tapes of this show, but at that time I wasn't thinking radio shows.
    Anyone with any connections out here with any suggestions?

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:54:31 -0500
    From: wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Perspectives?

    Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; wrote:

>     Did the devastation of World War II achieve anything of lasting value. Of
>     course the quick answer is no, of course it didn't.

    Well, the defeat of the Nazi Germany (including the end of the Holocaust), of
    the Empire of Japan (saving the rest of Asia from the Rape of Nanking), and of
    Fascist Italy (with it's inane attempt to revive the Roman Empire) were kinda
    neat.

>     Because of World War II the development of television was held up while we were
>     making the world safe for democracy. Had television been allowed to develop at
>     a normal pace, we would have lost several years of radio programming.

    Pleasant enough, but not quite ranking with the above?

    Best,
    Craig Wichman

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:54:45 -0500
    From: wilditralian@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  GHOSTS IN A SIT-COM

    02 FEB 03

    To Ruk77 (in lieu of any other ID),

    	You asked about a comedy show in which a ghost would appear.  I don't
    know if this was ever on radio, but on the 50's TV sit-com "Topper", Leo
    G. Carroll played the part of a ghost who would appear and disappear
    occasionally throughout the program.  There was a young couple and a dog
    in the program.  I believe the woman was Ann Jeffreys.
    	It sticks in the back of my mind that that had also been a radio
    program, but I can't swear to it.

    Best regards,

    Jim Arva

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    Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 21:54:54 -0500
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  French's web site

    Mike Murphy writes:

    "Some months ago, I found -- I think on Jack French's site -- a
    wonderfully
    concise explanation of how to dub Windows Media Player shows off of a
    disk
    and onto cassette.  Can anyone direct me to that site or give me a very
    beginning-stage
    explanation of how to accomplish this?"

    If Jim French and I got a buck for every time some one mixed us up, we
    could buy a round for everyone who ever visited this site.

    For the record, Jack French has no web site, even though my OTR articles
    appear on most of the major sites, and a few minor ones, like
    [removed].  Being technologically challenged I have no idea of how
    to dub anything from Windows; my wife has to show me how to turn on the
    computer.

    I don't know Jim's web site, either,  but you can email him at is
    jrfprodutions@[removed] and ask.

    Hope this [removed]

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL

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