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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 142


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Journey into Space (and other minutia)
	 Re:stan freberg vs. joe mccarthy
	 Re: Stan Freeburg Presents the United States of America
	 Henry/Harry Morgan
	 Re: Dealers
	 Dunning 2nd ed.
	 Stan Freberg-new stuff,reissues etc.
	 [removed]
	 A coupla comments re:  dealers and museums
	 Jack's Biggest Laugh
	 Re: Stan Freburg
	 Re: Cassettes and dealers
	 One Man's Family

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 14:27:43 -0400
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Journey into Space (and other minutia)
Message-ID: <960418142742_516825688@[removed]>

Hi Gang -                              April 18 - 1996  - Thursday Noon cdt

Today I received in the mail a box of cassettes containing the BBC series
"Journey Into Space".  Unfortunately, there was no paperwork in the box,
and I did not receive any e-mail or regular mail regarding this shipment. 
I know I made a trade with somebody for these programs, but I can't remember
with whom.  Worse, I can't remember whether I fulfilled my part of the trade.

I'm hoping it's somebody on the digest.   If you traded "Journey Into Space" 
with me, please drop me a message.  Thank you. 

-------  New Topic  -----  The Amalgamated Broadcasting System ----

In a recent ORCATS Special, I received a tape from Bill Jaker containing the 
Inaugral Program of the Amalgamated Broadcasting System of  9-25-33.   
The program runs about 3 hours and is true radio history.  You probably won't
find it in the commercial dealers' catalogs because much of the sound is 
rather poor - but the content is outstanding.   If you're truly interested in
old
time radio, from a historical point of view, look for this broadcast.  You'll

probably find it at conventions or in private trades.   I don't want to steal

Bill's thunder, because it was he who submitted it to the ORCATS. Thanks,
Bill. 

Well, maybe I'll steal a little of that thunder (so as not to keep you in
suspense).
The Amalgameted Broadcasting System went on the air on September 25, 1933 - 
and it went off the air on October 29, 1933.  It lasted a little over a
month. 
The network was owned by Ed Wynn (The Fire Chief).  The inagural broadcast 
featured such notable people as Norman Brokenshire, Vaughn DeLeath, and 
Fiorello LaGuardia.  There was a lot of live music featuring such great tunes
as
"Chloe" and "Lazybones" as well as several classical selections.   

The tape is NOT compressed.  Most of the otr we hear today has been run
through
some kind of audio compression, which takes away from the dynamics of the 
broadcast.  I was very pleased to hear the difference between FORTE and 
PIANISSIMO with no tape hiss.   Of course the frequency response is limited,
so
If you're a hi-fi nut, you probably won't like the sound, but if you like
RADIO, you'll 
love it.  I hope to make up a detailed cue sheet indicating everything that's
on the 
tape.  Right now we know who and when, but not specifically what.   

While I was at the Cincinnati Convention I talked to Bill Jacobson about this

program.  Bill told me that Bill Jaker got the tape from HIM.   I don't know
if the
material came from Bill's private collection or whether he got it elsewhere.
 
Wherever it came from, I want to thank Bill and Bill for putting this into
circulation.

-----------  new topic  --  Freberg  -------------  

Just a quick note about Stan Freberg Presents The United States of America -
As I understand it, Stan was going to produce several segments - between the
wars.  For example, "The Early Years" started with the discovery of America 
and ended with the conclusion of the Revolutionary War.  The next album was 
supposed to start at that point and run to the Civil War.  The one after that
would
go through WW-I, and soforth.    Not that our history is war-related, but the

attitude of the country seems to change entirely after each war.  Obviously
only
the first segment was produced.   He said that he planned to bring out the
record
first, then the play.  I guess other people wanted to get their fingers into
the pie 
and spoiled the whole idea.  ---  By the way, the LP has been re-issued on
CD.

------  Last Topic  ----  New RADIO SPIRITS Catalog  ----

In yesterday's mail I received the latest issue of the RADIO SPIRITS Catalog.

He has a lot of new programs, and he has hi-lighted some "favorite" shows, 
such as the "Adam and Eve" sketch that was discussed here in the digest
a couple of weeks ago (Charlie McCarthy page 50).   Among the "new" programs
is a "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar" - The Ricardo Amerigo Matter (page 92) that
we needed part 5 a few months back.  Looks like his catalog is pretty much
up-to-date as far as recents "wants" are concerned.   Any "newcomers" who 
don't have Carl's free catalog, you might want to call 1-800-RADIO-48 
(1-800-723-4648) and ask for one.  -- Oh yes, there are some new CD's, too. 

Happy Taping ---  Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois
kenpiletic@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 15:58:36 -0400
From: Joelsiegel@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:stan freberg vs. joe mccarthy
Message-ID: <960418155835_193732083@[removed]>

yes, the time-frame is right. the references were quite specific:
"you got to be particular what you [removed]
"it's just a piece of paper, just a piece of [removed]
who could care if you do?
"the un-british activities [removed]'s who!"
popular culture responses to mccarthy is a great idea for a ph d in american
history.
walt kelly and harvey kurtzman have been mentioned here. herblock and bill
mauldin cartooned against mccarthy on the editorial pages.

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:31:54 -0400
From: Michael Carraher <carraher@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Stan Freeburg Presents the United States of America
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

>I think that it has been reissued on CD, ...

It has been reissued on CD with additional material not included on the 
original LP (lack of disk space -- sound familiar?).

1.  The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere
Revere/Stan:  To arms, the British are coming!
Old lady/June Foray:  Whose there?
Stan:  Paul Revere
June:  Sorry, I got all the pots and pans I need.
Stan:  What about the British?
June:  As far as I know, they've got all the pots and pans they need, 
too.

2.  The Discovery of Electricity
Ben Franklin interviewed by TIME (see Press).

3.  Additional material for Betsy Ross and the Flag
George also gets a blazer.  Can't decide on [removed]
Betsy:  It's you!  IT'S YOU!
Make the later Washington Crosses the Delaware even funnier in context.

I heard Stan interviewed on an airline audio program a couple of years 
ago and he said then he was still planning a Broadway version of 
SFPTUSA.

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 16:37:34 -0400
From: Michael Carraher <carraher@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Henry/Harry Morgan
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

The comedian ("Here's Morgan") worked as Henry Morgan.

The character actor (M*A*S*H, "Dragnet," "December Bride," "Pete and 
Gladys") worked under the name Harry Morgan, at the insistance of CBS to 
avoid confusion.  In pictures he made before TV ([removed] "The Ox-Bow 
Incident"), Harry is billed as Henry.

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Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 22:55:01 EDT
From: BWWG42A@[removed] (MR JACK L PALMER)
To: digest-tips@[removed]
Subject: Re: Dealers
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Jack Palmer * [removed] #[removed] ] --

Bob Burnham wrote a long comment and Jim Widner sent a reply about
dealers.  I have met both and think they both have good points.  Bob
has always been a bug about good sound, perhaps because of his
occupation.  His shows always sound good, and I have picked up a lot
from him.  I also buy from a lot of other dealers.  As Jim says, you
can't always get every show you want from 1 dealer.  Besides, at least
one of the dealers selling his cassettes for a buck at the end of the
Cincy conv also is noted for his good sounding cassettes.  I think he
just preferred to sell his remaining stock, rather than haul it back
home.  Although I like Bob and enjoy visiting with him at the convs. I
have had several disagreements with him over his obsession with perfect
sound.  Each to his own, I guess.     Jack

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 18:25:19 -0400
From: stevecap@[removed] (Steven Capsuto)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Dunning 2nd ed.
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>Did John Dunning ever release his OTR book scheduled for 1995?

According to the bio in the back of one of Dunning's novels (which looks
like a dandy story, BTW), it's due out next year.
___
Steven Capsuto, Philadelphia
stevecap@[removed]
WEB page: [removed]~[removed]

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 15:46:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: jnestero@[removed] (John Nesteroff)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Stan Freberg-new stuff,reissues etc.
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

> Stan Freberg presents The United States of America
> I think that it has been reissued on CD, and there are rumors (mere rumors) that
> Vol. 2 is in the works. Let's hope.

It hasn't ever been released on CD, tho Rhino Records IS planning on some 
kind of Stan Freberg box set to be released later on this year (Capitol 
Records are also planning on releasing some sort of Mel Blanc collection 
this year too).  There are only two  authorized Freberg CD"s in existance 
right now but there are supposedly plenty coming out sometime soon.  
Check [removed] for updates and stuff, it's a good place for 
Freberg info.  If you see something from Mark Evanier posted, you might 
wanna e-mail him personnaly.  He's been working with Stan alot lately, 
I'd assume he could tell ya whats going on.



-Cliff N, The List's youngest subscriber.
 jnestero@[removed] 

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 20:00:06 -0400
From: GOpp@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: [removed]
Message-ID: <960418200005_378138151@[removed]>

Can anyone on the list tell me anything about a prominent 1930s newspaper 
columnist (I believe he also did radio) who went by the initials [removed]

Thanks.

- Gregg Oppenheimer

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 21:52:11 -0400
From: Oldtimerad@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
cc: Platecap@[removed]
Subject: A coupla comments re:  dealers and museums
Message-ID: <960418215211_517128959@[removed]>

James Ouzts makes an interesting comment on my comment regarding dealer
prices versus dealer costs and markup, [removed]
Most of us fall in the middle ground between fire-sale prices and exhorbitant
rates, I believe that most of the people I am aware of charge $[removed]$[removed] and
some (for internet promotion charge even less).  It may be unpleasant to pay
money for something you used to listen to for free on the radio, but there
really is no more network radio (except for some morning programs and news)
and some of us  also collect and trade. 
For most of us, whatever money is earned from distributing classic radio
drama and comedy helps the hobby pay for itself, similar to, but also
different from books, logs, T-shirts, etc.
We also contribute to conventions which in turn contribute to worthy causes
in the name of oldtime radio - Veteran's Bedside Network, Stephanie Joyce
Kahn Foundation, [removed] of us also make donations directly, so a lot of
the money coming in also goes back out.  I also know dealers who patronize
other dealers, so it's kind of a tightly-knit group (or maybe that's just
wishful thinking.)  That's all on this topic from me.

Bob Jennings made a comment about museums, particularly radio museums.  They
can't wait to get their hands on material, and then it's warehoused and never
seen or heard [removed] they want to get ahold of it so they can
mention it when fund raising or so no one else (competing museum?) can get
their hands on it.  They generally decide when they want to to release it to
the public, and then it's with a lot of hoopla.  The Museum of Television &
Radio in NYC received a bunch of NBC transcriptions or copies and as far as I
know, not very much of this material is even released to the public yet.

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Date: Thu, 18 Apr 1996 21:07:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dan Hughes <dhughes@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jack's Biggest Laugh
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

I've read somewhere that "Your money or your life" was not Jack's biggest 
laugh, even though it is the line that so perfectly skewers his character.

The biggest laugh was precipitated by a conversation between Don Wilson 
and Mary Livingstone.  They were discussing an opera.  Both used lots of 
"opera-technical" language that the average joe could not quite follow.  
This conversation was obviously way over Jack's head.  Nonetheless, he 
tried to get into the discussion by tentatively saying, "Well, I 
think--"  At which point, Mary said loudly, "OH, SHUT UP!"

I have heard this exchange, and it is much funnier than when I try to put 
it in print.  Anybody else remember it?
                                           ---Dan

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 01:14:22 EDT
From: BWWG42A@[removed] (MR JACK L PALMER)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Stan Freburg
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Jack Palmer * [removed] #[removed] ] --

To JohnB regarding Stan Freburg Presents the USA.  Yes, it had been
issued on a CD as I have one, which I purchased several months ago. 
There is also a CD of a collection of the songs he tormented to death. 
Such as Day-O.      Jack

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 01:14:13 EDT
From: BWWG42A@[removed] (MR JACK L PALMER)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Cassettes and dealers
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Jack Palmer * [removed] #[removed] ] --

To Jim Ouzis.  I'm not sure I can agree with you on dealer's charges. 
I have never sold an OTR cassette and have no interest in ever doing
so.  However, it costs about a buck for a cassette, box, labels and
postage.  But that allows no charge for your time, your wear and tear
on your equipment, the expense of decent equipment to make a good tape
and other charges such as ink, labels, computer to both track items and
prepare labels, etc.  Even though I'm retired I don't have enough time
to do what I want to do, so time is expensive to me.  And I'd hate to
have all the expense of certain equipment needed.  I could have that
money earning money for me.  And believe me, unless you are a really
dedicated OTR collector, you won't have near the equipment the dealer's
have.  If it is a business, it has to be treated like a business and
all these expenses have to be added in.  Plus the cost of advertising,
traveling to conventions, etc.  I would imagine overhead would be at
least a dollar per cassette.  So the markup is less than 2 bucks, since
most sell for $[removed] or $[removed] wiht reductions for large purchases. 
Anyone who has read any of my OTR articles in the past knows I am not a
big admirer of many dealers, but fair is fair.  I never felt they were
overpriced.     Jack

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Date: Fri, 19 Apr 1996 08:13:30 -0400
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: One Man's Family
Message-ID: <960419081329_473445256@[removed]>

Dr. J W Ouzts is looking for copies of One Man's Family.  If you can help him
his e-mail address is   jouzts@[removed]

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