Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #329
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 10/26/2005 3:24 PM

To: [removed]@[removed]

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 329
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: must-have books                   [ Illoman <illoman@[removed]; ]
      Johnny Dollar TV Pilot? Casey films?  [ "Joseph" <drjoewebb@[removed]; ]
      Louis Nye on Radio                    [ "Arthur Funk" <art-funk@[removed]; ]
      Re: Camels going out to our [removed]  [ "Arthur Funk" <art-funk@[removed]; ]
      Les Paul Interview - Part 2           [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
      The Great Radio Heroes                [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      10-26 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      On Ken Roberts & Gunsmoke             [ "Jed Dolnick" <jdolnick@[removed] ]
      Radio is a medium of sound - Great R  [ [removed]@[removed] ]
      Errata                                [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      Cigarettes and Cancer                 [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
      Cynthia Gooding's radio work          [ "Ronnie Wise" <rwise@[removed]; ]
      Andy and Virginia Mansfield           [ Ivan Watson <watsoni@[removed]; ]
      Abbott & Costello radio log update    [ Bruce Forsberg <forsberg@[removed]; ]
      FOTR 2005                             [ Garisongs@[removed] ]
      Superman vs. the [removed]              [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      White Feller vs. Scout, FOTR          [ Lee Munsick <damyankeeinva@earthlin ]

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    Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:54:22 +0000
    From: Illoman <illoman@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: must-have books

     > I was looking at my bookshelf and in my mind, such as it is, I was
     > mentally listing books that I could not do without. Books that should
     > be on any self respecting OTR bookshelf.

    There's one I just came across, that is a must have as well. It's entitled
    The Laugh Crafters, by Jordan R Young, and it's a collection of interviews
    with some of the top writers from the early radio comedy shows. There are
    great stories about Ed Gardner, Jack Benny, Al Jolson, [removed] It really
    gives you an insight into what went on behind the scenes, and how those
    guys got to be so funny in the first place.

    Mike

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    Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:54:59 +0000
    From: "Joseph" <drjoewebb@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Johnny Dollar TV Pilot? Casey films?

    I read on [removed] that there was a pilot for a Johnny Dollar
    TV series. [removed]

    Does anyone know if it's floating around anywhere?

    Also, I saw a Casey Crime Photographer DVD at the [removed] anyone have
    any information on how to get it and also if the others might be available?
    I didn't buy fast enough, and when I got back it was gone.

    I've looked all over on the Internet for the Casey TV series with Darren
    McGavin, and the book I mentioned yesterday mentioned there was only one
    episode available and it was in one of the broadcast museums. I know the
    series was bad, but it is kind of neat to see them.

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    Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:55:08 +0000
    From: "Arthur Funk" <art-funk@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Louis Nye on Radio

    Louis Nye is in the cast list for Official Detective as the Police Sergeant
    in Buxton & Owen's The Big Broadcast (Viking Press, NY 1972), page 176.  I
    remember being surprised to read this in the first edition of their book and
    being amazed because I couldn't mentally reconcile the "Hi-ho, Steverino"
    character that I knew from TV with that of a hard-boiled cop.  I guess such
    disparity of characterization is the gift of a good actor.  I don't have any
    Official Detective eps so I haven't heard Louis Nye's cop portrayal.

    Regards to all,
    Art Funk

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    Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:55:16 +0000
    From: "Arthur Funk" <art-funk@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:  Camels going out to our [removed]

    When I was a young single airman and eating in the chow hall in the early
    1960s, tobacco salesmen would give out cigarette "samples" outside the chow
    hall.  I recall these as being small packs of 5 or 6 cigarettes.  When the
    broohaha about tobacco health hazards began the salesmen were no longer
    permitted access to military installations.  Nowadays it isn't uncommon for
    installation commanders to ban smoking inside any building, including
    barracks.  They've also pretty much done away with unit beer busts and open
    bars at official functions.  The life of a GI isn't what it used to be.
    That's good or bad depending on your point of view.

    Regards to all,
    Art Funk

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    Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:55:24 +0000
    From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Les Paul Interview - Part 2

    Hi Gang -

    Late last night I arrived home from the FOTR convention.  It was  great.

    While at the convention, I asked several attendees if they might have
    recorded part two of the interview with Les Paul that was broadcast on
    XM the night of October 17.  Alas, nobody that I asked recorded it.
    In  fact, most people were unaware of the broadcast.

    I was asleep at the time of broadcast, and my recorder made a nice recording
    of the wrong XM channel, so I didn't get to hear part two of the interview
    either.

    If anyone has a recording of part two of this two-part interview, please
    contact me off-list.  Many thanks.

    Happy Taping -  Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois
    _kenpiletic@[removed]_ (mailto:kenpiletic@[removed])

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    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 02:12:00 -0400
    From: charlie@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
    and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
    over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
    of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
    real-time OTR talk!

    Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
    others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
    range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
    it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
    it's always a good time!

    For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
    week and every week!

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    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:33:28 -0400
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Great Radio Heroes

    "Jim Harmon" <jimharmonotr@[removed]; asked:

>      Who was it who said "If I am not for myself, who will be?"

    I believe that was Dr. Bronner on the label of his famous Dr.
    Bronner's Castille Soap. No one who has a bottle of that soap in
    their bathroom needs any magazines there. Or books. Not even Jim's,
    about which he confided to us:

>     I really believe my book, "The Great Radio Heroes", should be on
>     such a list [of great radio resources].

    Yes, I certainly think his _The Great Radio Heroes_ deserves to be
    included in any OTR library. That book, along with Feiffer's _The
    Great Comic Book Heroes_, which came out around the same time, helped
    reassure me that two of my great interests were, indeed, worthy of
    respect. Never did I dream when reading Jim's book, though, that the
    day would come when most of the lamented radio shows he eulogized
    therein would some day once again be readily available.

    BTW, if you decide to contemplate the spiritual teachings revealed to
    us on Dr. Bronner's soap bottle, I recommend the economy size ,
    especially for those of us old enough to remember when OTR was brand
    new; the text on the half-pint size is awfully small and likely to
    cause headache within the first few passages.

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    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:33:35 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  10-26 births/deaths

    October 26th births

    10-26-1876 - [removed] Warner - London, England - d. 12-21-1958
    actor: "Hollywood Hotel"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-26-1899 - Rudolph Wickel - d. 3-xx-1971
    contestant: "Truth or Consequences"
    10-26-1904 - Igor Gorin - Ukraine - d. 3-24-1982
    singer: "The Voice of Firestone"
    10-26-1907 - Tony Pastor - Middletown, CT - d. 10-31-1969
    bandleader: "Tony Pastor and His Orchestra"
    10-26-1910 - Clarence Hartzell - Huntington, WV - d. 3-5-1988
    actor: Uncle Fletcher "Vic and Sade"; Pappy Yokum "Li'l AAbner"; "Ben Withers
    "Lum and Abner"
    10-26-1911 - Mahalia Jackson - New Orleans, LA - d. 1-27-1972
    gospel singer: (The Angel of Peace) "Mahalia Jackson Show"
    10-26-1912 - Donald Siegel - Chicago, IL - d. 4-20-1991
    film director: "Bud's Bandwagon"
    10-26-1913 - Charlie Barnet - New York, NY (Raised: Winnetka, IL) - d. 9-4-1991
    jazz saxophonist: "Fitch Bandwagon"; "Kate Smith Hour"; "Jubilee"
    10-26-1914 - Jackie Coogan - Los Angeles, CA - d. 3-1-1984
    actor: Ernest Botch "Forever Ernest"
    10-26-1918 - Ivor Francis - Toronto, Canada - d. 10-22-1986
    actor: "Secret Missions"; "The Chase"
    10-26-1920 - Eleanor Rella - d. 6-19-2003
    actress: Billie Devere "Myrt and Marge"

    October 26th deaths

    02-23-1909 - Anthony Ross - New York, NY - d. 10-26-1955
    actor: Danny Clover "Broadway Is My Beat"; Broadway Columnist "Mr. Broadway"
    03-08-1902 - Louise Beavers - Cincinnati, OH - d. 10-26-1962
    actress: Beulah "Beulah"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
    04-24-1910 - Albert Zugsmith - Atlantic City, NJ - d. 10-26-1993
    film producer/director: "Bud's Bandwagon"
    05-03-1897 - Larry Puck - d. 10-26-1969
    producer: "Arthur Godfrey Time" Was one of Godfrey's many firings
    06-10-1895 - Hattie McDaniel - Wichita, KS - d. 10-26-1952
    actress: Beulah "Beulah"; Mammy "Maxwell House Showboat"
    xx-xx-1905 - Paul Rhymer - Bloomington, IL - d. 10-26-1964
    writer: "Vic and Sade"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:34:04 -0400
    From: "Jed Dolnick" <jdolnick@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  On Ken Roberts & Gunsmoke

    First, just a bit of trivia. On a whim, I did a Google search on Ken
    Roberts, famous "Shadow" announcer. I was surprised to learn that his son is
    Tony Roberts, seen in many Woody Allen movies, on Broadway etc. What's more,
    the Roberts are related to the late Everett Sloan.

    Second, I had posted a question about "The New Hotel" but received only 1
    reply. It's possible that many of the readers were occupied with the FOTR
    convention in NJ and didn't see it. At least I hope that was the
    [removed]'s better for my self-esteem than the alternative ("what a
    stupid question!"). Anyway, here it is again, I promise for the last time:

    I just got my copy of John Dunning's Encyclopedia of Old Time Radio.  In the
    section on Gunsmoke, he wrote about "The New Hotel" rehearsal that we're all
    familiar with. Now, I've listened to that tape dozens of times but what I
    hear at one point is not what Dunning described. Perhaps someone with better
    hearing can tell me which version is correct.

    In the story, Enoch Mills hires Gil Shanks to guard the new hotel. When they
    meet with Dillon, Shanks says, "Well with the law being so loose around
    here, we gotta protect your hotel". Everyone breaks up, and someone says,
    "That goddamn shrimp story does it every time". To me, they were laughing at
    the formulaic nature of the story line. But Dunning writes that someone
    committed a gastric indiscretion, and the comment was "That goddamn shrimp
    curry does it every time".  I just listened to it with the volume cranked
    up, and that is not what I'm
    hearing!

    Jed

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    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:34:34 -0400
    From: [removed]@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio is a medium of sound - Great Radio
     Heroes / Comedians

    Jim Harmon wrote:

>     I saw a list of the ten or it became twelve books on old time radio that were
>     the best or most important.  I really believe my book, "The Great Radio
>     Heroes", should be on such a list.

    I hearty agree, but the problem with lists is they are based on the likes and
    dislikes of the compiler. Knowledge of the compiler also comes in to the
    picture. They cannot recommended something that they know nothing about.

    Jim does not have to toot his own horn, anyone who has been around this hobby
    at
    least since the 60s remembers what a ground breaking book, The Great Radio
    Heroes was. Jim was even interviewed on national radio (was it Monitor?) when
    the book was issued. Not only did Jim put the facts in this book, but quoted
    from scripts to programs that are not in circulation at that time. He had
    information from the actual sources, not recopying the same mistakes from other
    OTR books.

    Great Radio Heroes was followed by the equaly complete Great Radio Commedians
    which featured a bonus "flexidisk" record so you could actually hear the voices
    of some of the people featured in the book. This is one aspect that most OTR
    books miss. Old Time Radio was a medium of sound, and no printed word, can
    capture the essence of radio. Jim appears to have been the only person that
    realized this and included the "record" with the book. I have not seen it done
    since, until the fine book on the War Of The Worlds broadcast. That's a shame
    as
    most OTR books today could include a CD of excerpts.

    Great Radio Heroes and Great Radio Commedians belongs in every basic collection
    on OTR, assuming you are interested in those subjects.

    Paul Urbahns
    Radcliff,Ky

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    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:35:05 -0400
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Errata

    Dear Folks-

    From: "Jim Harmon" _jimharmonotr@[removed]_
    (mailto:jimharmonotr@[removed])

>     Who  was it who said "If I am not for myself, who will be?"<

    I dunno. But  he was right on the same wavelength as John L. Lewis, who said,
    "He who tooteth  not his own horn, the same shall not be tooted,"

>     "Great Radio Heroes"  belongs on a list of the top ten books on old time
>     radio.

    No  question. Yes, it dates from that Ur-era of more Love for Subject than
    Scholarship; but that makes it's place all the more secure (ala Jules
    Feiffer's
     THE GREAT COMIC BOOK HEROES.)

    From: Ron Sayles _bogusotr@[removed]_ (mailto:bogusotr@[removed])

>     (... the  winner of this years script writing contest The
>     Lone Ranger Spoof)  is  Mike Leannah and he is a member of the Milwaukee Area
>     Radio  [removed]

    Mike seems to be a very nice guy - and is, this proof noted (!), a very  good
    writer.

    Best,
    -Craig W.

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    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:35:26 -0400
    From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cigarettes and Cancer

    Several of us have commented in one way or another about cigarettes being
    sent to overseas military installations and to military and veteran hospitals
    during the OTR era. There had been 'rumors' of a link between cigarettes and
    cancer for many years, but most studies had either been inconclusive, or the
    tobacco companies managed to spin the results so that they appeared
    inconclusive. The first 'Surgeon General's Report' that definitely linked
    tobacco smoke and cancer was issued in 1964, a couple years after the OTR era
    'officially' ended (with the sudden end of most CBS network programming in
    late 1962). I believe the tobacco companies advertised sending free smokes at
    least until that time, and probably until a few years later, when the
    government forbade advertising tobacco products on radio and TV. I could be
    wrong about some of the dates, but there's no question that free cigarettes
    to the military were touted well into the fifties.

    Thanx,

     B. Ray

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    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:35:44 -0400
    From: "Ronnie Wise" <rwise@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cynthia Gooding's radio work
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    One of the greats of the Greenwich Village folk music scene of the 1950's was
    Cynthia Gooding. She had her own radio show on WBAI (New York?) in the early
    1960's.

    I know very little about Gooding's radio work, except that one of her claims
    to fame is an interview she did with a newcomer to folk music by the name of
    Bob Dylan in 1962. I think that interview has survived. Do any radio buffs
    have any of Cynthia Gooding's radio shows?  Please let me know what you have.
    Ron Wise

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    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:40:17 -0400
    From: Ivan Watson <watsoni@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Andy and Virginia Mansfield

    I recently purchased some transcription discs and among the lot were a few
    "Andy and Virginia Mansfield" shows from the mid-forties.

    Does anyone know anything about this couple or their series?  A quick
    online search reveals very little. All I could find was the following
    obituary from a few years ago:

    "Two female radio veterans' deaths were reported this week, one in Chicago,
    the other in Palm Springs.  The latter was of Virginia Mansfield who died
    aged 96.  She worked as a staff singer on radio in Cincinnati and then for
    stations in Los Angeles but was best known for her work with her late
    husband Andy Mansfield, whom she married in 1933, on NBC's "Andy and
    Virginia" and "Turn Back the Clock" in the 1950s and 1960s." (February 26,
    2001 - [removed])

    Has anyone actually heard any of their shows? (I haven't listened to the
    discs yet)

    Before embarking on more serious research, I was wondering if anyone on
    this list might be able to provide some more details or at least point me
    in the right direction.

    Cheers,

    Ivan

    (the Canadian visitor who had a fantastic time at FOTR this past [removed])

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    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:40:32 -0400
    From: Bruce Forsberg <forsberg@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Abbott & Costello radio log update

    I have posted an update to my Abbott & Costello radio log. It is available at:

    [removed]~forsbergweb

    Thanks,
    Bruce Forsberg

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    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:43:57 -0400
    From: Garisongs@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  FOTR 2005
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    Hi--I just want to say how grateful I am for all the kind words people are
    saying about my contributions to this year's events.   I particularly want to
    say that it is really a group effort and people like Charlie, Fred, Derek,
    Bill
    and of course, Jay, make it all happen.   I saved all my energy for the show
    and am paying today with the loss of my voice and having to do an appearance
    and signing at Tower Records.   I'll live.   It was worth it.
    best,
    Brian Gari

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    [ADMINISTRIVIA: I'm working to get the photos together and posted, so those
    of you who missed it can see the result of Soupy's handiwork on Brian (you've
    already seen Derek's [removed]). And for goodness sake, buy a copy of the DVDs
    from Fred, so you can see "The [removed]"  --cfs3]

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    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:56:01 -0400
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Superman vs. the [removed]

    Folks;

       Two questions:

       1) Does anyone know the dates of the Superman radio shows based on Stetson
    Kennedy's info that included real Klan codewords (sometime in 1946/47?)?

       2) Are there any legitimate dealers out there with good depth in the
    Superman series in good-quality audio CD?

       Please contact me directly; if there's interest, I'll summarize for the
    list.

               Charlie

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    Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:29:30 -0400
    From: Lee Munsick <damyankeeinva@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  White Feller vs. Scout, FOTR

    I hate to beat a dead horse, [removed]

    So-called White Horses (to the uneducated about such equine things) are
    actually called Gray by those in the know.  The reason and rationale is in
    actually skin-deep, not hair-long:  most "whites" actually have black, bay or
    brown skin so are properly termed Gray even if they have white hair.  This is
    true of the famous Lipizzaners, most of whom are born with bay skin.  Gray is
    dominant.

    Correctly to be called White they would have to have white skin as well, and
    probably then would be albino, complete with pink eyes, etc.

    Getum up White Feller.  Loses in the translation, doesn't it?

    For all you Lone Ranger and other OTR fans, if you weren't at FOTR last
    weekend you really missed out.  What an incredible 30th anniversary!  There
    is a 2-DVD FOTR 30th Anniversary Set, available I imagine from Jay Hickerson
    and/or the FOTR website.  Fantastic memories!

    And, for you Ranger boys and girls, Fred Foy still looks, stands and acts
    like the fine, marvelous, dignified, gentlemanly, friendly, class act that he
    has always been!  Thanks for being at FOTR once again, [removed] coming
    back until the 60th Anniversary.  And the 90th.  And of course the Centennial
    bash!

    Congratulations, Jay!!!  My wife Charlotte and I are so deliriously happy
    still, from the weekend, and I so wonderfully fortunate to have been there
    about 24 or 25 of the 30.  Such a joy to see so many old friends, and
    wonderful new and younger ones, many of them superbly talented.   Onward!

    - Lee Munsick

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