Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #20
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 1/16/2003 9:03 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 20
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      "lost" Mercury Theater shows          [ "Greg Przywara" <gmprzywara@hotmail ]
      sound now/then                        [ bloodbleeds@[removed] ]
      Re: JIMMIE DALE, [removed] THE GREY SEA  [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      Names                                 [ Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed] ]
      local station broadcasting old time   [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      Cincinnati OTR convention             [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Echoing the Past                      [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Jack Benny 39 Forever                 [ DOCPOWJR@[removed] ]
      Twilight of Some Radio Premiums       [ Edward Loyer <eloyer@[removed]; ]
      It Takes All Kinds To Make A Hobby    [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
      WCKY and Wayne Raney                  [ Shaun Hayes <babyletsplayhouse@yaho ]
      Cincilnnati Convention                [ "Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed] ]
      Jolson and Elvis?                     [ gad4@[removed] ]
      Cininnati Convention                  [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
      New Member:                           [ "Bob & Carol Taylor" <qth4@[removed] ]
      WORDS AT WAR and German radio broadc  [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:31:48 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

>     >From Those Were The Days --

    1945 - Art Linkletter starred on the CBS debut of House Party. The show
    continued on the air for 22 years, including a long stint on CBS
    t--------n.

      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:37:17 -0500
    From: "Greg Przywara" <gmprzywara@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "lost" Mercury Theater shows

    Does anyone know if these two "lost" Mercury Theater episodes have been
    discovered yet?

    #11 Jane Eyre-9/18/38
    #13 Oliver Twist-10/2/38

    I have been wanting to hear these broadcasts especially Oliver Twist almost
    as long as I have been collecting old time radio and I would really
    appreciate it if someone could tell me where I could obtain them. Money is
    no object. I even have a transcription disc player if that is the only
    format they are available in.

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:36:08 -0500
    From: bloodbleeds@[removed]
    To: OldRadio Mailing Lists <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  sound now/then

    Yesterday I was listening to an early 40s Information Please with Alfred
    Hitchcock and I
    could hear about 3% of what Hitchcock said in the whole show, though I could
    hear the
    other people fine. I've often wondered if things I can't hear now were easier
    to hear on
    older sets. Or did everyone always have that trouble?

    It crosses my mind also when I watch Family Feud and can't make out what
    Richard
    Dawson (who plays to the studio, not at-home, audience all the time) says
    half the time.
    If I miss him reading the question for the 1st time, I'm pretty much out of
    luck for the rest
    of that round, as he mumbles or talks Softly into his body mic. But perhaps
    in 1982 tv
    sets had a different sound, allowing people at home to hear?

    Ben

    It's That Time Again!
    The New Stories of Old-Time Radio
    [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:38:04 -0500
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: JIMMIE DALE, [removed] THE GREY SEAL

    In a message dated 1/15/03 10:04:16 AM, [removed]@[removed]
    writes:

>     The series was based on Frank Packard's children's books around this
>     character, whose alter ego was the gray seal.  Long before the green
>     hornet, this chap was doing a similar thing.  I believe Larry haines
>     played Jimmy.

    ***I haven't been able to track down any information on the radio program,
    though it must have been an American series if it starred Larry Haines.  I
    can't find a listing in Jay Hickerson's ULTIMATE LOG.

    The adventures of Jimmie Dale ([removed] the Grey Seal) were extremely
    influential in the 1920s and 1930s, inspiring the characters of THE SHADOW,
    THE SPIDER, BATMAN, THE PHANTOM and every other wealthy young man about town
    who pals around with the police commissioner and sets out at night to fight
    crime in a dual identity.  In fact, George Trendle gave Fran Striker a copy
    of one of the Frank Packard's novels and asked WXYZ's head writer to develop
    something similar ... which of course resulted in the creation of THE GREEN
    HORNET.  E. K. Lincoln starred as Jimmy Dale in a series of two-reeler shorts
    filmed in New Jersey circa 1917.  Jimmie Dale's influence is still being felt
    today as new generations of comic and television writers introduce characters
    inspired by imitations of the Grey Seal, without realizing that they are
    imitating second, third and fourth generation imitations.

    For those interested in Jimmie Dale's original literary adventures, Frank
    Packard's novels can often be found in the hardcover mystery sections of used
    bookstores.  There are five "Grey Seal" books in all: THE ADVENTURES OF
    JIMMIE DALE (1917), THE FURTHER ADVENTURES OF JIMMIE DALE (1917), JIMMIE DALE
    AND THE PHANTOM CLUE (1922), JIMMIE DALE AND THE BLUE ENVELOPE MURDER (1930)
    and JIMMIE DALE AND THE MISSING HOUR (1935). --Anthony Tollin

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 12:59:54 -0500
    From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Names

    There is an old showbiz saying, "I don't care what you say about me, just
    spell the name right!"

    For the record, it is J-O-L-S-O-N not -E-N.

    Harry Bartell

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:00:13 -0500
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  local station broadcasting old time radio

    Hi Everybody, I am interested what  area of the USA has the most OTR playing
    on there local AM or FM radio stations.  For example I know here in the [removed]
    area we are bless with a daily broadcast of one hour and a replay from KNX,
    and Same Time Same Station 2 hours a week on Sunday over KCSN, and Bobb and
    Barbara 3 show once a month over at KPFK.  We do not get When Radio Was in
    this part of the country.  Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 13:16:12 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cincinnati OTR convention

    BEST WESTERN HOTEL, 11911 Sheraton Lane, Cincinnati, Ohio 45246
    513-671-6600
    For info about the convention, contact Bob Burchett at 888-477-9112 or
    haradio@[removed]

    Tips to attend the convention.

    1.  If you are a loner and want to cut back on costs (in the event your
    decision to attend or not depends on finances), you can drop Bob Burchett a
    line and he can put you in touch with another attendee to share hotel rooms.
      I've done this in the past and it's the same as paying for one night, but
    getting two nights sleeping accomodations (sp?).
    2.  Hal Stone will be there autographing his Archie book, a must-have.
    Bring your camera so you can have photos taken of you at the convention!
    3.  The hotel is not yet booked up - I booked my room last week - and the
    rates are low so pick up the phone and call now.
    4.  Do try to attend Thursday evening - it's a blast!

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 14:49:21 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Echoing the Past

    Howard Blue, responding to A question Bryan proposed,

> >      How do we know he was right wing?

>     In the American context in that era --- and continuing
>     to a certain extent in our era too, preoccupation with
>     domestic communist subversion --particularly alleged
>     subversion among people in the arts --- is/was
>     part of the definition  of "right-wing"

    I think we're teetering on the brink of a slippery slope here that it
    mightn't be productive to start down.  I suspect that there's no precise
    definition of "right-wing," nor can one easily when a concern becomes a
    preoccupation.  Some of the judgements in this sort of area are, and must
    be, purely subjective.

    In any discussion of historical things, it's usually a good idea to be
    fairly professional about it; citations are quite helpful.  I could make
    a good case that someone at the Wander Company's advertising agency was
    preoccupied with (amateur) cryptography, because under Ovaltine
    sponsorship, there was a total of  13 cipher premiums offered between the
    Little Orphan Annie and Captain Midnight OTR programs.  But while I can
    find several sources to cite on the existence of the radio premiums,
    precisely what motivated the agency to set up annual crypto goodies, is,
    as far as I know, not available in any history (well, at least so far).

    I've been friends with noted authors, now deceased.  If I were to mention
    something one of them told me, but which he'd never written down, its
    validity, should I choose to share it now, it would be open to question.
    (I'd know its truth, but I couldn't *prove* it.)

    Save for sharing things anecdotally, I think we all should proceed with
    caution.  To this day, I find myself having periodically to address the
    "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine" canard perpetrated by Jean Shepherd, and
    the myth of the OTR "decoder ring," and it takes several citations to
    convince some of the people I'm communicating with.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
    "valuable"  "you will enjoy learning what you missed"  "wonderful source
    of information" "integrity" "compelling"

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: I agree; we do not want to go down this road.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:00:57 -0500
    From: DOCPOWJR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jack Benny 39 Forever
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    I hope some of you are planning to attend the IJBFC  39 Forever celebration
    in the LA area Feb 14-16.  I certainly enjoyed the Waukegan event last summer
    and recognize some of the e mail addresses of attendees to that event.
    Otherwise I have seen numerous references to a Cincinnati event in the
    Spring.  Is there anyone who can send me some information about this as it is
    so close to home?.. WPowers

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 16:27:50 -0500
    From: Edward Loyer <eloyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Twilight of Some Radio Premiums

    My definition of "eternity" is an eight year old in 1946 waiting for the
    postal delivery of a radio or comic book premium. After all these years I
    still get a little twinge if there is a small box or manila envelope
    addressed to me waiting in the post box. Those little flames burn forever,
    don't they? Thanks for the memory. Ed Loyer

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 17:41:50 -0500
    From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  It Takes All Kinds To Make A Hobby

    In issue 19 Dave S raised the issue of the costs to collectors and Dealers
    of releasing OTR.

    I agree with you Dave, Dealers and Collectors should be able to try and
    recoup their costs (a profit makes it worthwhile as well) but the discussion
    that caught Davids eye and then my own was more the heirs not willing to
    release examples of works unless there is some sort of guarantee of a
    financial incentive such as royalty payments.  That is really a different
    ballgame.  From what I read today on Disney's copyright win, he hobby will
    not be 'coming out' soon.

    Ian Grieve

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:08:27 -0500
    From: Shaun Hayes <babyletsplayhouse@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WCKY and Wayne Raney

    Alabama Flash asks

>     ok guys there used to be a music show on WCKY at
>     night in the 1950,s with
>     wayne somethimg that sold harmonica,s and red top
>     baby chicks  what was that show?..

    The show was hosted by Wayne Raney.  I suppose down in
    Georgia you'd just have to open a window to hear
    country music, but in eastern Massachusetts in the
    late 50's it wasn't so easy. My memory is that the
    program was dedicated mostly to bluegrass music since
    I know that's where I first heard the term. Wayne
    would play a Hank Williams record every night. Again,
    this was my first exposure to Hank. Between WCKY
    and WWVA in Wheeling I heard a lot of music I learned
    to appreciate and enjoy.

    Wayne was a recording artist himself.  Somewhere in my
    record collection I have a mail-order 45 he sold over
    the air with six harmonica tunes.  I also have a
    flea-market 78 of Wayne doing
    "Why Don't You Haul Off And Love Me" on Cincinnati's
    King label which must have been something of a hit in
    the early 50's.  Somewhere I also found a 60's single
    titled "Grandma and the Miniskirt." This is a duet
    with a woman whose name I can't recall issued on
    an obscure label.

    I didn't know until about a week ago that the call
    letters referred to the station's transmitter site
    in Covington, KY.  You might enjoy the brief history
    of the station (sadly, nothing about Wayne)
    at [removed]

    Hope this helps and thanks for the memories.

    Shaun Hayes

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:00:44 -0500
    From: "Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cincilnnati Convention
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    Would like to thank Hal for the nice post about the convention.
    I have an email flyer is anyone wants one. The only thing it
    has that Hal hasn't told you is how to get there. It has a map.
    Send your mailing address and we will send you one of the
    convention booklets the last of January.
    Bob Burchett

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    Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:15:48 -0500
    From: gad4@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jolson and Elvis?

    To compare Jolson to Elvis, I dont this is [removed] to jolson that is.:)

    Yes they were both top music entertainers. And yes they were both able to
    work the crowd.

    The techiques they used was much different.

    Some may disagree with me, but I believe Jolson took the high road and had a
    clean show. Elvis relied more on physical gestures with the hips and
    creating wrongful feelings in the opposite gender.

    Jolson was able to move men and women of all ages.
    Elvis was able to move those whose hormones were acting up.

    Jolson's music created high moral thinking in the listeners in his songs.
    Elvis, I believe appealed to the baser instincts.

    Because of this, with respect to all, I cant compare the styles of both. Not
    only was Jolsons perfomance reaching inside more people, he did it in a much
    harder way.

    I agree what others have said that his magic has not been captured
    completely on film. I think the best glimpse of his might be the short "A
    Plantation Act". Its mainly  just him singing a few songs to the camera w/o
    script in the 20s.  Also there was a film called, "the real jolson story"
    which I saw on tv, yet am sorry i dont have a copy of. But Jolson was
    definately bigger than life.

    Sincerely,
    George

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    Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:15:53 -0500
    From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cininnati Convention
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    I'm going to be interviewed by radio station KMOX in St. Louis on January 26
    between 8:00 [removed] and 9:00 [removed] regarding collecting old time radio and OTR
    conventions.  I'd like to mention the Cincinnati convention along with the
    Newark FOTR convention that I am on the planning committee for.

    Can anyone send me a flyer or point me toward a website with information?

    Thanks,

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:16:58 -0500
    From: "Bob & Carol Taylor" <qth4@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  New Member:
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    Hi Everyone,

    My name is Bob Taylor.  We live in south western PA.

    I am very interested in old Dragnet shows.  I guess you   say I am a new
    collector.  However I have a question.

    Are there any sites or lists of venders who re-issue the old shows?  I realize
    that Radio Spirit's is a place devoted to old time radio.  I find them a
    little expensive.  I know that some folks are doing MP3 files much cheaper,

    I'm also looking for the bickerson's.  How long did that show run?  Was it
    always done with the same people.

    Does anyone know if any old Hank Williams shows are available besides the
    Health and Happiness Shows and the opry  ?

    Bob

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    Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:18:04 -0500
    From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WORDS AT WAR and German radio broadcast

    	My book, WORDS AT WAR, (Scarecrow Press, December 2002) about how
    American radio helped the World War II effort, will be discussed in a
    documentary in Germany on June 24. I'm trying to find out more details
    about time, station(s) and possible Internet access to the broadcast.

    	Also, the book will soon be available in Britain.

    	Anyone having interest in this broadcast should contact me off line and
    I will  send you more information as I receive it.

    	Howard Blue
    	Author of WORDS AT WAR
    	"This may well be the best book on American radio ever written."
                             Paul Buhle, Brown University, author of Popular
    Culture in America, etc.

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