Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #125
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 3/31/2002 2:03 AM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 125
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Archie Sales Promo                    [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Re:Berle and Radio                    [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
  Re: Fred Allen at Boston Public Libr  [ N&B Brickman <nbb@[removed]; ]
  Sixties reruns                        [ Carolie Minuscule <daggerofthemind2 ]
  Latest Offerings                      [ "Dr. Gavin Pillay" <gavinpillay@mwe ]
  Nichol Familys                        [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
  Oops!s                                [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
  Re: Allen at the BPL                  [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Photo "Little Jack" Little?           [ Richard Pratz <[removed]@[removed]; ]
  Oboler's "Murder Castle"              [ Bhob <bhob2@[removed]; ]
  Infamous Joke                         [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
  Re: recycling scripts/ Mr. D. A.      [ Thomas Butts <trbutts@[removed] ]
  Hal's other shows                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Arizona OTR                           [ "Norman Schickedanz" <[removed] ]
  Suspense, Bill Robson and the [removed] Y  [ khovard@[removed] ]
  Re: Archie Andrews                    [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
  Aunt Miltie?                          [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
  Re: Hal Stone and Theater Guild of t  [ Ron Vanover <vanoverr@[removed]; ]
  Easter Show                           [ "Mike" <philipmarlowe@[removed]; ]

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:48:45 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Archie Sales Promo

 Michael Edwards posted;

I just finished listening to an episode (okay, MP3) of
Archie Andrews called "Dinner at a Resteraunt", dated
1948.  It was apparently an audition program, trying
to obtain a new sponsor for the show.  What follows
are the announcer's words, not mine:

Wow! Michael. I never knew those Sales Promotion tapes existed.

They probably just stuck a sales pitch at the head of an existing program.

Where did you find it? That's one I surly would like to get for my growing
"Archie Archives". That's a fairly impressive track record, even if I do say
so myself. But the problem that faced NBC, at that period of time, was the
waning interest in Radio Advertising. TV was already making inroads.

Congratulations to Hal who as "that ridiculous friend,
Jughead" played a part in Archie's success.  In
today's market, a [removed] isn't sneezed at in prime time.

Aw! [removed] I'm blushing!

I shoudda asked for more money, darn it :)

Thanks for the [removed] Michael. (The Checks in the mail) :)

Hal(harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:49:09 -0500
From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:Berle and Radio

Both the Los Angeles Times & the Orange County Register mentioned
Berle's
radio career in today's [removed](Another question, which just
occurred to me: Was Texaco Star Theater simulcast on radio and TV, or did
the sponsor end the radio version before the TV version "electrified the
airwaves"?)

Herb Harrison

Yes Herb, I know that some stories mentioned that Berle was on radio, to
me they just treated it less than I would have. Radio (as we ALL know
full well ) was not just a little brief "nothing" on the American scene.
It was the *prinicipal* entertainment mass medium for millions up to the
early 1950s at least. Therefore it deserves bettercoverage in newspaper
and other obits and in listings such as the Internet Movie Database.

As far as Texaco Star Theater, I rely on John Dunning's "ON THE AIR" for
the following:

Sept. 22, 1948-June 15, 1949, ABC, Wednesdays at 9, The Texaco Star
Theater

The TV version was on NBC on TUESDAY nights at 8pm from 1948-1953

Eric Cooper

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:53:06 -0500
From: N&B Brickman <nbb@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Fred Allen at Boston Public Library

I have written the Boston Public Library repeatedly over the past few
years, on behalf of The Arthur Godfrey Memorial Foundation, Inc., a
nonprofit educational organization, and to obtain research material for
my proposed book.
<snip>
Several times I have received no response.  Other times I just get put off.
Never anything substantive.

Lee,
	The same holds true for the John Hickman collection of 20,000 or so OTR
media items that was donated a couple of years ago to the American
University Library system in Washington, [removed] upon his death.  John
Hickman had been a long-time OTR enthusiast and operated an old-time
radio program broadcast from the AU radio station for many years.  I
have been trying for a year to get access to a few tapes and the saga is
still continuing - no success yet.

	I personally feel that the problem is that traditional libraries are
rapidly becoming an anachronism in the digital computer age.  While they
might accept audio archives, for example, they in turn give lowest
priority to their access.  The transition to digital library archives
with end-user client-based access mechanisms for printed media, video,
and audio is already well underway.

	Norman Brickman

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:53:40 -0500
From: Carolie Minuscule <daggerofthemind2000@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Sixties reruns

This was common during the early sixties.  Bruno
Zirato, Jr. was the director during SUSPENSE's last
season on the air, and he recalled using scripts from
dozens of radio programs.

This practice was not confined to radio, either. No
one ever sees old time tv anymore (any drama series
done before the 70s, and any comedy series done before
the 60s), and scripts from those have been recycled.
The shows haven't been done verbatim, but the
essential plot, etc.

It's not limited to old programs, either.  Many years
ago Bill Bixby starred in a program as a magician
detective - one of those episodes (if not more), was
then recycled for Blacke's Magic (starring Hal
Linden).

=====
Caroline Miniscule
THE FRIENDS OF MR. CAIRO
[removed]

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 16:09:25 -0500
From: "Dr. Gavin Pillay" <gavinpillay@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Latest Offerings
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Hi All,

Newest shows added (30 March 2001) :

The Mel Blanc Show

.01 The Birthday Cards
.02 The Efficiency Expert
.03 The Cake Contest
.04 Mr Colby's Water Heater
.05 Muscle Man Contest
.06 Sally and Marylou
.07 The Postman's Ball
.08 Songwriter
.09 Community Chest Show
.10 The New Radio
.11 The Lodge Initation
.13 Thanksgiving Party
.15 Betty's Christmas Present
.16 Christmas Shopping (With Audience Warm Up)

Over 300 various shows now available :)

Regards,
Gavin

[ Gavin's OTReasure Chest :
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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:01:23 -0500
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Nichol Familys

Hal mention in the last digest that he was in the Nichol Family.  I know of
at least one copy of that show exist because I sent a copy of the 12-7-41 to
Hal, and   I,m still waiting to hear if Hal has any remembrance of that day,
or do I need to wait and buy Hal book when its comes out.  Happy Easter,

Walden Hughes

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:03:16 -0500
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Oops!s

Oops!  I meant  "indecipherable."  Should have left the bad spelling and
called it my April Fool's joke.  Oh, well.

Dennis Crow

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:00:41 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Allen at the BPL

On 3/30/02 3:56 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

Has anyone actually gone down to the museum and tried accessing the shows
face to face. At least that way, you'll be able to see what they actually
have and have maybe get a better idea as to who there might be more easy to
deal with.

I can tell you exactly what the BPL has in the way of Allen recordings --
nothing at all before 6/26/35, but a consistent run is held from the
1935-36 thru 1939-40 seasons. 3 programs are missing from 1935-36, 1 is
missing from 1936-37, and 10 are missing from 1937-38. The 1938-39 and
1939-40 seasons are complete.

Nothing is held from the CBS-Texaco seasons from 1940 thru 1944 with the
exception of two and a half programs from the spring of 1942.

The holdings resume with the 1945-46 season, with three programs missing
from that series. The 1946-47 and 1947-48 seasons have very few programs
present --  only 3 from 1946-47 and 4 from 1947-48 are held by the BPL,
and most of the missing shows are also missing from the original discs at
the LOC, suggesting that they were stolen from NBC before the tape dubs
were made. However, many of these missing programs *are* in OTR
circulation. 9 programs are missing from Allen's final season, 1948-49.

The tapes can be heard only by making an appointment with the Rare Books
Department -- this is required because of limited space, and because of
the fact that this is a high-security section of the library. You must
also have a valid Massachusetts library card -- or a BPL courtesy card if
you aren't a Massachusetts resident -- and a photo ID. You will be
required to check coats, bags, and all other personal property at the
desk before entering the area: only pencils, loose sheets of paper, and
laptop computers may be carried into the secured section. No copies of
the tapes can be made, nor can the cassettes be removed from the Rare
Book Department. You can see the Rare Book Department policies in detail
at [removed]

The programs are on 60-minute cassettes, and are third-generation high
speed dubs of the original 3 3/4 ips reels made by NBC in 1963: so what
you'll hear is fourth generation cassette copies of the original discs,
transferred using the methods and equipment of nearly forty years ago.

The procedures for accessing these programs are strict -- but they're
well within the definition of "public access" as that term is used in the
archival community, so I don't think complaints are going to make much of
an impression on anyone. Researchers like Lee, who've been given the
administrative blow-off, might have more luck taking their concerns
directly to the Senior Administrative Staff: full contact info for each
of them is available at [removed].

It should also be noted that most of these programs are available for
general public listening at the Museums of Television and Radio in NYC
and LA. They won't let you make copies either, but this may be a better
choice than Boston or the LOC for casual fans who just want to hear some
of these programs. Allen's scripts and personal papers are available on
microfilm at the LOC's Manuscript Division, and it might be easier to
access them thru this source than thru the BPL.

And all that said, here's something NYC-area Allen fans may find
interesting. I am told that for the past few years, otherwise
uncirculated 1930s "Town Hall Tonight" programs have aired occasionaly
in wierd late-night time slots over the Fordham University radio station,
WFUV-FM. I have no idea how they got access to these, or if the
broadcasts are authorized -- but those who can receive this station might
want to keep an eye on its schedule. I am told that WFUV-FM usually
deletes some of the commercials, but the programs are otherwise aired
complete.

Elizabeth

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:04:51 -0500
From: Richard Pratz <[removed]@[removed];
To: "OTR (Plain Text Only)" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Photo "Little Jack" Little?

Anyone out there have a photo of "Little Jack" Little they'd care to post
and share?  Love to see what he looked like to match the voice with a face.

Rich

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:05:13 -0500
From: Bhob <bhob2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Oboler's "Murder Castle"

Photo of [removed] Holmes's "Murder Castle":
[removed]

Note that Robert Bloch also wrote a true-crime account, "Dr. Holmes'
Murder Castle," published 2002 by Subterranean Press:
[removed]

Bloch also fictionalized [removed] Holmes in his novel AMERICAN GOTHIC (1974)
as [removed] Gregg.

Bhob @ FUSEBOX ONLINE COMICS @
[removed]

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:03:06 -0500
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Infamous Joke

Will Monday, April 1, bring another Digest equally as undecipherable as the
one last year?  I have my codebreaker on alert!

Dennis Crow

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:05:39 -0500
From: Thomas Butts <trbutts@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: recycling scripts/ Mr. D. A.

I, too, have enjoyed hearing more than one program with essentially the same
script.

  Another script, "The Curse of
Kamashek," was formerly a five-part episode of Johnny Dollar.  "The
Imposters," was later used as the same story and title on, Theater Five.

Many of the five-part Johnny Dollar shows, especially those by John Dawson [E. J,.
Neumann], were done earlier as 30 minute shows with Edmond O'Brien or John Lund.
Upon comparison, some of the five-part shows seem a bit "padded" while others are
much improved with the additional time to tell the story and add more character
motivation.

.
Scripts from Mr. District Attorney were used on other radio mysteries (just
the name of the lead character changed - as simple as that!).

Several [around 20 or more] of the scripts for the syndicated version of Mr.
District Attorney with David Brian were recycled from Tales of the Texas Rangers
whose stories were supposedly based on fact.  The adaptations of some Texas Ranger
stories that had a small town or [removed] - Mexico border setting to the "big city" was
often quite amusing. Paul Garrett was always going to a "nearby small town in the
county" , out to the "country near the big city", etc. Herrington would usually
take the part of the sheriff who called in the Texas Rangers for help.

With regard to the syndicated version of Mr. District Attorney, no cast members
other than David Brian were ever given.  I am curious as to who played Herrington
[Harrington  ?] ?  The voice is familiar, but I cannot place it.  I think Virginia
Gregg played Miss Miller [and usually some other female role], but I would like to
know for sure.

Tom Butts
Dallas, TX

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:05:58 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Hal's other shows

I was browsing through the book "Same Time, Same Station" by Ron Lackman and
he mentions Hal Stone as doing four shows. We all know about Archie, but he is
also mentioned under The Aldrich Family, Big Town and Death Valley Days. He is
not listed with character names so I would assume he was part of a group who
regularly appeared on these shows when needed.
--
Ron Sayles

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:06:09 -0500
From: "Norman Schickedanz" <[removed]@[removed];
To: "Old-Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Arizona OTR

Hello, John Tuttle.

I seem to be unable to e-mail you in response to your message.  Please send
me your e-mail address, street address, and phone, and I'll get back to you.

Norm Schickedanz
Tucson

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:06:28 -0500
From: khovard@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Suspense, Bill Robson and the [removed] Yankees

	From time to time I have seen postings regarding the Suspense program
and (less frequently) regarding Bill Robson, one of its directors. I
discuss Robson in my forthcoming book, "Words at War" which Scarecrow
Press will be publishing this October.

	Here's an excerpt from my book (the story is courtesy of Pare Lorentz,
FDR's Moviemaker: Memoirs and Scripts,

	Robson frequently acted on [the] belief  that radio [should] try to
clarify crucial social issues. In 1938, working with documentarian Pare
Lorentz, he produced a program about the unemployed for the Columbia
Workshop. Implicitly endorsing the New Deal, as it was, the program was
controversial. Robson and Lorentz knew this and decided that with the
hate campaign against FDR gaining strength, they had best not circulate
the script around CBS. They even delayed showing it to Bill Lewis, the
vice-president of programming, until before noon on the Saturday of the
broadcast. As it turned out, Lewis had tickets for a doubleheader at
Yankee Stadium and he had to make a choice of either going to the ball
game or reading it. Luckily for Robson and Lorenz, he selected the game,
because as he told them after it aired, had he read the script prior to
its broadcast, he would have canceled it.

				Howard Blue

	The following is a discounted pre-publication offer for the book:

	I wrote my book, WORDS AT WAR: WORLD WAR II ERA RADIO DRAMA & THE
POSTWAR BROADCASTING INDUSTRY BLACKLIST after doing extensive archival
research and interviewing Arthur Miller, Norman Corwin, Art Carney,
Jackson Beck, Pete Seeger, Arthur Laurents and many others.

	Current plans are for the publisher to market it for $[removed] However, I
have negotiated a pre-publication bulk purchase so that I can offer it at
a price of $[removed] (which includes mailing and tax) and  perhaps less.

	For a pre-publication order or a fuller description of the book,
contact
me (please include your home address) at Khovard@[removed] or Howard Blue,
1951 Valentines Rd., Westbury, NY 11590. No payment is required at this
time to reserve a copy at the pre-publication price.

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:06:42 -0500
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Archie Andrews

I found 10 more Archie programs that are out there.

The original 14 everyone seems to have
45-12-xx - Christmas [removed]
46-07-27 - Drugstore [removed]
46-10-19 - Plumbing [removed]
47-03-15 - The Red Cross [removed]
47-09-09 - Dad's [removed]
48-05-15 - [removed]
48-06-12 - Archie Has A [removed]
48-08-21 - The [removed]
48-09-04 - The Big [removed]
48-09-11 - Fixing Flat [removed]
48-12-14 - Job at the [removed]
49-05-21 - The New TV [removed]
49-xx-xx - Halloween [removed]
51-06-03 - The Economy [removed]

New Ones:
>From Ryan's Old Time Radio Collection
[removed]

Disk 267 Archie Andrews 480717 MR ANDREWS WALLPAPERS A [removed]
Disk 267 Archie Andrews 480807 SUFFERING FROM THE [removed]
CD 233 Archie Andrews 480809 Saturday Night [removed]
Disk 267 Archie Andrews 480911 BORROWING A TIRE [removed]
CD 233 Archie Andrews 480918 Crush on History [removed]
CD 233 Archie Andrews 480925 Free Movie [removed]
CD 233 Archie Andrews 490713 New [removed]
Disk 267 Archie Andrews [removed]  (no date given)

[removed] - Home Page - link to Ted Kneebone collection
[removed] - collection page

Archie Andrews Archie's party [removed] ex  10/13/48 Arch/4
Archie Andrews Christmas shoplifting [removed] ex  12/13/47 Arch/1
 Ald/Arch

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:07:43 -0500
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Aunt Miltie?

Civil War and Radio-TV history come together?

Today I attended a Civil War Symposium at Longwood College in Farmville,
Virginia.  This is about 40 minutes' ride east of Appomattox.

One of the speakers brought up the tale which has been around since the end
of the Civil War, that Confederate President Jefferson Davis, escaping from
Richmond before it was taken over by Federal troops, was fleeing from
pursuing Union army officers when he and his party was captured.  The story
got out that when captured, Davis was wearing a woman's clothing.

This has been discredited many times then and since, including by
contemporary reports from members of the capturing Union force.  Yet it
persists.  The War Office in Washington did nothing to refute this lie,
since it suited their purposes at the time to discredit any Confederate
officials.

The speaker referred to a letter written home by a Confederate soldier very
early in the war as a joke that there was a story going around among the
soldiers that President Davis had been seen then in women's clothing.  This
is four years before the above story.

There is an even earlier tale involving the trip by President-Elect Abraham
Lincoln, who was snuck into Washington for his inauguration, under threat
of assasination.  That is true.  But one story went on to say that he was
disguised in women's clothing.  False.  All 6-1/2 feet of him?

The point is that this sort of story was around long before the Jefferson
Davis capture.

After the talk, I went up to the speaker and told him, "Don't you know who
started those rumors about President Lincoln and President Davis being seen
in drag?"  He bit:  "No, I don't!"

I said, "It could only have been one person.  Milton Berle!"

He laughed so hard he almost dropped his [removed]

I hope Charlie runs this in time for Tuesday night!  You know who owns that.

Lee Munsick

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:08:12 -0500
From: Ron Vanover <vanoverr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Hal Stone and Theater Guild of the Air

Ron Sayles asked

Does anyone know if Hal Stone is available on another program besides
"Archie?" I would love to hear him in another role. Can he do something
besides, Reeeeeeeelaaaaax Archie, Reeeeeeeeeeelaaaaax!

Hal Stone replied

How about [removed] Steels' Theatre Guild of the Air? I played "Spit" in their
production
of "Dead End". Does that exist?

That episode does exist and is in my collection.  Let me know if you would
like me to
post it? Hal also mentioned Let's Pretend.  I have several episodes from
that series as well.

Ron Vanover

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Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:08:34 -0500
From: "Mike" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
To: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Easter Show

I am trying to find a copy of the Easter show (I am told)  "The Son of Man"
heard on the CBS RADIO WORKSHOP in Mp3 format. Does anyone know where I could
find this program.

Mike Kerezman.

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