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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 370


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 ADMINISTRIVIA: Size limits imposed on submissions
	 Mr. [removed] knew I'd answer sooner or later
	 Sperdvac and Local Volunteers
	 Radiogram and OTR Digest
	 Jean  Shepherd Mystery
	 Cohen on the Telephone
	 re: V95 #365 and x-1
	 Thanks to Frank; Collecting more more thoughts
	 British Radio Shows
	 electronic catalogs and logs.
	 ADMINISTRIVIA: Size limits imposed on submissions
	 Intro splicing in X-1
	 Duffy's Tavern

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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:46:50 -0600 (CST)
To: otr@[removed] (Old Time Radio)
Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA: Size limits imposed on submissions

Hello OTR Readers

Because of the somewhat regular incidents of people quoting entire
digests in their posts to [removed], I have imposed a
10kbyte size limit on all submissions to this list.

The server will reject anything bigger than 10k.  I am not sure if the
larger posts will be returned or not, so please just be aware of the
fact that your post must be less than 10,000 bytes (shouldnt be a
problem, most posts don't exceed 4k) in order to run.  By comparison,
the average *entire digest* runs about 15k - 20k.

Thanks and sorry for the inconvenience.

Bill

--
 
     William Pfeiffer - Moderator [removed] - Airwaves
   wdp@[removed]  *  airwaves@[removed]  * rrb@[removed]
                 Web: [removed]~rrb/
      "Position Wanted: Web Page Design.   F/T, P/T or Freelance"
 
 
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 02:46:32 -0500 (EST)
From: JACKBENNY@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Mr. [removed] knew I'd answer sooner or later
Message-id: <01HXDURZFUPW987EXF@[removed]>

Mr. Kitzel's debut on the Jack Benny Program was on 1/6/46.  I am surprised to
note that his character had seemingly quite a history before the JBP;  but
pleased to finally know the origin of "Pickle in the [removed]"  In an article
entitled, "Jack Benny Inc.:  Comedian Mixes a Fiddle, a Feud and Stock 
Characters inn Formula Which Has Paid Off for 15 Years" run in Life 2/3/47,
there is a picture on the first page (p. 85) that features Jack in the Maxwell
with many of his mainstays (Rochester, the vault, etc.) as well as a "pickle
in the middle and the mustard on top" hot dog hanging from the door handle.

And as a general aside, I probably startled a few people in the line for Hertz
rental cars at the Los Angeles Airport last Thursday as I worked on my 
anacrostic in the current Dell Crossword Puzzles and encountered clue W in
anacrostic 1.  So check it out the next time you're at your friendly local
newsstand.  8)

--Laura Lee
International Jack Benny Fan Club

[removed]  Although it's true that Jack often broke up over dialect comedy, since
he'd heard the jokes several times during editing sessions and run-throughs,
I would attribute his breakups more to the talent of the comedians with whom
he worked.  Watch the si, sy routine on TV sometime and keep your eye on 
Mel Blanc's complete deadpan.  It's very similar to the way that talk show
hosts like Merv Griffin would break up as Jack stared at them (in his inimitable
fashion) after they had asked a question.

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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 03:17:51 -0800
From: rnovak@[removed] (Richard Novak)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Sperdvac and Local Volunteers
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Randy Minnehan writes that Sperdvac has no volunteers outside of 
Southern California.
While it is true that Sperdvac originated in So Cal and most of the 
volunteers for several years all seemd to live in the Redondo and 
Valley areas, this is no longer true.
A quick look at the Sperdvac Directory in the Radiogram will assure 
anyone that there are out of state volunteers. Our membership director 
lives in Arizona. Our printed materials librarian lives in Washington 
state. Bob Herman who does our audio catalogs also lives in Washington.
Sperdvac has and is changing its policies about the locality of its  
volunteers.
In the future, we will see more and more out of state librarians. I am 
planning a permanent move to Minnesota in the next year or two. It is 
possible that I might take the library with me. Other librarians and 
assorted volunteers move from time to time and Sperdvac will probably 
accommodate long time volunteers even if they move to the east coast. 
It is a little early to say yet, but Sperdvac is certainly considering 
these options.

Richard Novak

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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 07:01:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACKEY@[removed]
To: otr <otr@[removed]>
Subject: Radiogram and OTR Digest
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Well, I didn't mean to stir up a hornets nest the other day with my 
commentary on the recent Radiogram and cyberspace story.

I may not have gotten my meaning across.  I didn't mean to pick away at 
Walter's story as some seem to think.  I think Walter did a 
very good job, but I am sure that Lou has this group on his homepage 
somewhere with instructions on how to join.  I was just disappointed this 
wasn't mentioned.

It would have been nice, since the story dealt with cyperspace, if Walter 
had listed his e-mail address.

Joe (back to lurk mode)

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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 95 07:34:00 PST
From: "Foster, Carey" <cfoster@[removed]>
To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Jean  Shepherd Mystery
Message-ID: <30A0CE38@[removed]>

Hey Gang,
     I've always have been a Jean Shepherd fan and this recent
thread on the move sequel as interest me. I've seen the movie (on video)
but the strangest thing.
     The movie I rented has the same story line as_It Runs in The Family_,,
but titled _A Summer's Story_. I wonder if these are indeed the same movie
with different titles? [removed]


Carey------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 95 08:28:23 est
From: lee_maschmeyer@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Cohen on the Telephone
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I have one Cohen on the Telephone record, but it's from before the 30s 
since it's an acoustical.  I believe it must be one sided, since I can't 
remember anything else on it.

The swearing bit came in when he said: "I want the car-PEN-ter to come and 
mend the DAMaged shuttah."

Fanny Brice (sp?) had a record called "Mrs. Cohen at the Beach".  Perhaps 
that's why people thought there was a series.  Listening to my record and 
remembering the Brice record from the radio, I wouldn't say there's any 
connection.  Cohen is just a nice name to catch hold of for what Groucho 
Marks referred to as a "Jew comedian".  Jeepers, even the terminology makes 
me wince.

My first wife was a Sioux Indian.  She told me of her first experience 
using the telephone, when she was around 10.  Her mother had also never 
used one, and preferred to have the daughter take the risk.  Things went 
pretty well, except that when the operator needed more money my wife 
thought she could put a dollar in the coin return slot.  Then, when it fell 
back out, she realized she had to go get it changed so she could put coins 
in at the top.

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Date: 08 Nov 1995 09:09 GMT
From: Henry Brugsch <henry@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: 
Subject: re: V95 #365 and x-1
Message-ID: <11081995090902um@[removed]>

Ronhare@[removed] wrote on the subject:
 >Subject: Jean Shepherd and X-1

(deleted)
 >There are several Exploring Tomorrow episodes in circulation with X-1  intros
 >and signoffs. The voice over "Time Goes By" is John W. Campbell Jr., a name
 >well known to SF fans because he was editor of Astounding Science
Fiction magazine
Do you know if the episode when a crew have to take a load of duck eggs
to a planet run into trouble with an incubation unit is available any
where?
I think it may have been one of the first episodes, if not the first.
One scene comes to mind.
The ship is being over run with hatched ducks prowling about the
gangways.
"uh, what are you doing about the duck uh um excrement?"
"Oh, Captain, nothing to worry about, we just shoveled it out the air
lock."
It was indeed a great series.
 >
 >Exploring Tomorrow ran on Mutual between December 11, 1957 and June
 >13, 1958. Many episodes in circulation had no intros or signoffs, so someone
 >decided they were X-1's and "fixed" them. Please get rid of these "fixes"
 >before passing them on.
 >
 >There are also several Dimension X's in circulation with X-1 intros and
 >signoffs dubbed in for some reason.
Not a hundred percent sure on this, but if memory serves, when X-1 first
aired, they used old Dimention X productions with the new theme.
But, not not the one we now associate with the series.
It was a straight forward intro with the sound of a jet passing over
head to represent the rocket blast off.
The theme we all know came in later. Believe it was from a musical work
called "Rocket to the Moon" or something like that.
I think it was also featured on the first Monitor broadcast in either
'54, or '53.

-----
   Henry Brugsch
   aka hbj elsewhere, CIS: [removed]@[removed], hbj@[removed]
Radio is a medium for the mind, TV for the mindless.

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Date: 08 Nov 95 00:59:07 EST
From: Ross/Corinne  Learn <[removed]@[removed]>
To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Thanks to Frank; Collecting more more thoughts
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

First, I want to offer my thanks to Frank Passage for his episode lists
contributed to this digest.  My favorite aspect of collecting and listening to
OTR is to extract production and synopsis information from the shows and compile
my own list of episodes in different series'.  The listings (particularly the
date and 'official' title information helps me a great [removed] up the good
work.
In response to Jan Bach's comments about finding OTR at the library, this was
the first place I discovered Radio Shows en mass.  In Edmonton, and I suppose
that most cities, they offer a way to access the library catalogue by modem.  I
recently looked into the system and found that over all the branches in the city
(about 12 all together ), they have 355 separate listings of radio show tapes,
records, and CDs for loan.  If you think about it you are looking at over 700 -
30 minute [removed] Not bad for the start of a collection, aside from what
you can get off-air.  There are many options available to collect without
spending a fortune.
Thanks all .... Ross

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Date: 08 Nov 95 00:59:11 EST
From: Ross/Corinne  Learn <[removed]@[removed]>
To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: British Radio Shows
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

I am currently attempting to gather information on British radio programming,
and how it has progressed and evolved and (apparently) still thrives.  If anyone
can steer me in the right direction on this, I would greatly appreciate it.  In
the midst of collecting OTR, I discovered many gems that originated in Britain,
including The Goon Show, and other shows featuring the likes of John Cleese,
Peter Sellers, Spike Milligan, Harry Secombe, and more.  This may sound like a
commercial, but if you haven't heard any of these shows, try them!
commercial's [removed]
Thanks Ross

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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 1995 01:51:32 -0500 (EST)
From: MORTN2HHC@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: electronic catalogs and logs.
Message-id: <01HXDT9WXBK299HCWY@[removed]>

Greetings,

I am a blind subscriber and have been collecting otr since the '60's.  One
of the big problems blind people have is reading catalogs.  It is very
difficult to get someone who is not interested in otr to go through a
complete catalog.  Electronic catalogs and logs are a tremendous help to us.

I would appreciate a list of places where they can be gotten off the
Internet.  There are many blind people into OTR.  After all everybody is
blind listening to the radio.  

Thanks in advance for any help you might provide.  

Btw I do have a copy of the Investigator.  It is quite understandable, but
is kind of scratchy.  If anybody out there is still interested, please email
me.

                               73
                              Mort

                      Mortn2hhc@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 07:46:50 -0600 (CST)
From: William Pfeiffer <rrb@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed] (Old Time Radio)
Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA: Size limits imposed on submissions
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hello OTR Readers

Because of the somewhat regular incidents of people quoting entire
digests in their posts to [removed], I have imposed a
10kbyte size limit on all submissions to this list.

The server will reject anything bigger than 10k.  I am not sure if the
larger posts will be returned or not, so please just be aware of the
fact that your post must be less than 10,000 bytes (shouldnt be a
problem, most posts don't exceed 4k) in order to run.  By comparison,
the average *entire digest* runs about 15k - 20k.

Thanks and sorry for the inconvenience.

Bill

--
 
     William Pfeiffer - Moderator [removed] - Airwaves
   wdp@[removed]  *  airwaves@[removed]  * rrb@[removed]
                 Web: [removed]~rrb/
      "Position Wanted: Web Page Design.   F/T, P/T or Freelance"
 
 

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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 08:51:35 -0500
From: aa993@[removed] (Christopher L. Tumber)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Intro splicing in X-1
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Ronhare@[removed] wrote:

>There are also several Dimension X's in circulation with X-1 intros and
>signoffs dubbed in for some reason.
 
I have a couple of these. They came originally from a commercial vendor's 
packaged set. My assumption has always been they replaced the intros so they 
could market all the tapes as being X-1.
 
Although why they just wouldn't use other X-1 episodes, I don't know.
 

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Date: Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:50:16 -0500
From: JRayb71827@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Duffy's Tavern
Message-ID: <951108095016_82229075@[removed]>

In reference to various comments, Edward Poggenburg (real name of Ed Gardner)
did indeed take his show, "Duffy's Tavern," to Puerto Rico in 1949.  It
wasn't because he had trouble with the IRS as someone guessed, but rather to
benefit from a government tax break (I think 12-year period) to encourage
business activity there.  Incidentally, for a short time, the program was
called simply, "Duffy's," because some anti-alcohol protesters thought the
"Tavern" part was a bad influence.  There is an available copy of that from a
show of 12/7/43.  The producers later decided the protest was nonsense and
went back to the original title.  Thanks to many of you for your response to
my offer of a free sample of my OTR newsletter.  You can get a sample issue
by sending a #10 SASE to Thrilling Days of Yesteryear, [removed] Box 36106,
Denver, CO 80236.  When you subscribe, back issues are also available.

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