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Date: 5/28/2005 4:18 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 166
                             A Part of the [removed]!
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                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Victor Gook pronunciation             [ Clif Martin <martbart@[removed]; ]
      Ken Curtis                            [ Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed]; ]
      Re: New York World's Fair             [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Everett Sloan photos                  [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      Re: Myrt and Marge: 1946 not 1931     [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      Re: Ken Curtis                        [ Brent Pellegrini <brentpl@rocketmai ]
      Howie Morris in the mind's eye        [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      5-28 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      "The Badge"...Kind of a Dragnet       [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
      Corden/Morris/Ravescroft              [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:16:17 -0400
    From: Clif Martin <martbart@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Victor Gook pronunciation

    While eating my mush-in-a-brick  and listening to Vic and Sade ,I got a
    flashback from a couple years ago when I heard  a fellow playing OTR shows
    pronouce Vic's  last name as rhyming with "spook."   Either he never heard
    the show, his memory is failing or mine is.  I'm pretty  sure Gook rhymes
    with "Book."

    Clif

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    Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:16:33 -0400
    From: Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ken Curtis
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    Ken Curtis replaced Bob Nolan in 1949 as lead singer for The Sons Of The
    Pioneers, so Bob could pursue [removed], along with some of the original
    Sons Of The Pioneers, started a new western musical show with banter and
    humour, called "The Lucky -U-Ranch" in the early 1950's from Hollywood. Ken
    Curtis started the "Dink Swink" character on that show between some of the
    [removed] was fully ready to create "Festus Hagen" in the 1960's on "Gunsmoke"
    on TV because of Dink Swink in the 1950's. Of course he did it in some John
    Wayne westerns, [removed] him as the lead singer in either "She Wore A
    Yellow Ribbon" or "Rio Grande" as he serenated Maureen O'Hara with Stan
    Jones, who wrote "Ghost Riders In The Sky?"Ken Carson who was another later
    "Sons Of The Pioneers" was also a Big-Band singer .Also, Kirby Grant who was
    billed as Robert Stanton. And don't forget Smith Ballew who became a B"
    western star in the 1930's. He had his own Big Band in the 1930's.

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    Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:41:00 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: New York World's Fair

    On 5/27/05 6:18 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     I'm currently reading "1939: The Lost World Of the Fair" by David Gelernter,
>     which brings up the question: what network shows broadcast, if ever, from the
>     1939-40 New York World's Fair?!

    Amos 'n' Andy broadcast their 2/27/39 episode direct from the
    Fairgrounds, with Amos and Andy led on a walking tour of the Perisphere
    by Fair president Grover Whalen himself. Correll and Gosden were old
    hands at publicizing Worlds' Fairs, having been deeply involved in
    promoting the 1933-34 Century of Progress Exposition in Chicago, and
    readily agreed to do their bit for the New York fair.

    The broadcast was 25 minutes long -- the only time during the fifteen
    year serial run in which Correll and Gosden deviated from their standard
    format.

    Earlier that day, Correll and Gosden appeared over NBC's television
    station W2XBS in a remote telecast from outside the RCA Pavillion. The
    two performers, in street clothes, drove up to an iconoscope camera in
    the Fresh Air Taxicab and extemporaneously described the scene. A
    never-before-published photo taken during this pioneering telecast
    appears in my forthcoming book.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 23:34:07 -0400
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Everett Sloan photos

    I recently tried to find some pictures of Everett Sloan online and
    was surprised to discover that he has begun a new career as a male
    model. He's holding up remarkably well, with a full head of hair and
    a flawless complexion. Then I added an "e" to Sloan and found a
    number of references to the ORIGINAL Everett Sloane, though, in
    truth, I did find some references to the genuine article under the
    Sloan spelling as well. However, i found almost NO photographs. Does
    anyone know an online source of images of this gentleman?

    Thanks.

    John Mayer

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    Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:51:38 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Myrt and Marge: 1946 not 1931

    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];

>     There are also definite differences in audio quality in the circulating
>     recording compared to what you'd expect in an actual broadcast
>     recording from 1931. An early aircheck from uncoated aluminum
>     discs or Victor Home Recording discs contains certain sonic
>     footprints that are unmistakable once you've heard enough of them,
>     but such markers are absent from the circulating M&M Episode 1.
>      Thus, definitively -- 1946, not 1931.      Elizabeth

    I'm a little confused by this.  Is there also a legit aircheck of M&M
    floating around from 1931 from aluminum or pre-grooved Victors?  Becuase
    there IS a very short legit recording of Myrt and Marge on a little 3-inch
    Durium cardboard record that Wrigley's mailed out as a promotion in 31 or
    32,    I was going to suggest using it to compare the actresses' voices
    with the circulating Episode 1 which, as you say, is 1946.  By the way, it
    would be possible for there to be a high quality recording of a program
    from 1931 from a studio master-type recording, rather than an instantaneous
    aircheck.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:52:26 -0400
    From: Brent Pellegrini <brentpl@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Ken Curtis

    I have a vague idea who this guy is re: gunsmoke. my memory of chester on that
    show is parley baer and dennis weaver i think it was.

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    Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:53:34 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Howie Morris in the mind's eye

    A few weeks ago there was a discussion here about how we imagine radio
    voices to look like and what happens when we finally do see them.
    Ironically the death of Howard Morris brings to my mind a perfect example.
    Most of the obits mention his role of Ernest T. Bass on The Andy Griffith
    Show.  I had not seen any of his appearances when the show was originally
    on.  But about 25 or 30 years ago my wife and I were out driving somewhere
    in the wilderness where there was nothing on the radio, but we were in the
    area of a TV channel 6.  Since that is right below the FM band, and its
    audio is [removed], most FM radios can pick up the audio.  They happened to be
    re-running the most famous of these episodes where they try to dress him up
    and teach him to say "[removed]"  This caught our
    fancy, and we drove on listening to the program.  Over the years this
    became a catch phrase between my wife and I, but we still had never seen
    the show.  Neither of us had any idea that Howie Morris had played that
    character.  It sounded nothing like him.  In my mind's eye I thought of the
    character as being a huge lumbering idiot, sort of like the dumb giant in
    Disney's "Mickey and the Beanstalk."  Imagine my surprise ten or fifteen
    years later when I stumbled across that episode on TV.  I quickly called my
    wife in and she also said that she had no idea that Howie Morris had been
    the character, and that she also had an entirely different image of what he
    would look like.  And we had both been fans of his since the early "Your
    Show of Shows" days.

    What a talent!   When  you think of so many other little sidekick
    characters -- remember, he got his first big job because Sid Caesar could
    pick him up by his lapels -- they are not anywhere near as versatile.  For
    example, there would never be any mistaking Arnold Stang's voice.  I've
    always felt the real test of an actor would be if they could get so into a
    role that they would be practically unrecognizable.  Morris was it.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:53:42 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  5-28 births/deaths

    May 28th births

    05-28-1888 - Jim Thorpe - Prague, Indian Territory - d. 3-28-1953
    all around athelete: "Shell Chateau"; "Bill Stern Colgate Sports Newsreel"
    05-28-1898 - Andy Kirk - Newport, KY - d. 12-11-1992
    bandleader: (Clouds of Joy) Big band remote from the Savoy Ballroom in Harlem
    05-28-1899 - Richard Lane - Rice Lake, WI - d. 9-5-1982
    actor: Inspector Faraday "Boston Blackie"
    05-28-1902 - "Little" Jack Little - London, England - d. 4-9-1956
    singer: (Cheerful Little Earful) "Little Jack Little Show"
    05-28-1906 - Phil Regan - Brooklyn, NY - d. 2-11-1996
    singer: (The Singing Cop) "George Burns and Gracie Allen Show"
    05-28-1912 - Dave Barbour - Flushing, NY - d. 12-11-1965
    orchestra leader, composer, actor: "Electric Hour"; "Chesterfield Supper Club"
    05-28-1912 - Tom Scott - d. 8-12-1961
    folk singer, writer: "American School of the Air"; "Golden Gate Quartet Sings"
    05-28-1912 - Violet Dunn - d. 11-14-1982
    actress: Peggy O'Neill "The O'Neill's"
    05-28-1918 - Johnny Wayne - Toronto, Canada - d. 7-18-1990
    comedian: "Army Show"; "March of Time"
    05-28-1920 - Gene Levitt - NYC - d. 11-15-1999
    writer: "Advs. of Philip Marlowe"
    05-28-1922 - Scott McKay - Pleasantville, IA - d. 3-16-1987
    actor: John Nelson "Barry Cameron"

    May 28th deaths

    01-11-1886 - George Zucco - Manchester, England - d. 5-28-1960
    actor: "Encore Theatre"
    01-20-1914 - Roy Plomley - Kingston-upon-Thames, England - d. 5-28-1985
    announcer: Desert Island Discs"; "We Beg to Differ"; "One Minute Please"
    04-08-1887 - Walter Connolly - Cincinnati, OH - d. 5-28-1940
    actor: Charlie Chan "Charlie Chan"
    05-08-1910 - Mary Lou Williams - Atlanta, GA - d. 5-28-1981
    jazz pianist, composer: "Mildred Bailey Show"; "Andy Kirk and His Clouds of
    Joy"
    05-14-1926 - Eric Morecambe - Lancashire, England - d. 5-28-1984
    comedian: "The Eric Morecambe and Ernie Wise Radio Show"
    06-01-1911 - Erik Rolf - Chicago, IL - d. 5-28-1957
    actor: Hans Simon "Joyce Jordan, [removed]"; Thor Nielsen "Prairie Folks"
    06-20-1924 - Audie Murphy - Kingston, TX - d. 5-28-1971
    world war II hero, actor: "Cavalcade of America"
    06-23-1894 - King Edward VIII - Richmond Park, England - d. 5-28-1972
    king, ex-king, duke: Abdication Speech for the "woman" he loved
    07-16-1908 - Frank Singiser - Montevideo, MN - d. 5-28-1982
    newscaster: "Mutual News"
    07-17-1916 - Irene Manning - Cincinnati, OH - d. 5-28-2004
    singer: Night Club Singer "Mr. Broadway"; "Wehmacht Hour"; "Railroad Hour"
    08-29-1907 - Lurene Tuttle - Pleasant Lake, IN (Raised: CA) - d. 5-28-1986
    actress: Effie Perrine "Advs. of Sam Spade"; Ellie Connors "Lum and Abner"
    09-01-1899 - Richard Arlen - Charlottesville, VA - d. 5-28-1976
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    09-22-1914 - Martha Scott - Jamesport, MO - d. 5-28-2003
    actress: Alice Blair "Career of Alice Blair"; "Somerset Maugham Theatre"
    09-26-1896 - Vaughn DeLeath - Mount Pulaski, IL - d. 5-28-1943
    singer: (The Original Radio Girl) "Voice of Firestone"
    11-15-1923 - Robert Barron - NYC - d. 5-28-2002
    actor: Flint Blackbeard "Jack Armstrong"
    11-24-1906 - Don McLaughlin - Webster, IA - d. 5-28-1986
    actor: David Harding "Counterspy"; "Jim Brent "Road of Life"; Chaplain Jim
    "Chaplain Jim"
    12-02-1895 - Jesse Crawford - Woodland, CA - d. 5-28-1962
    organist: "Paramount Publix Hour"; "Counterspy"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:54:45 -0400
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  "The Badge"...Kind of a Dragnet
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    I'm finally catching up with past issues of the Digest, I'd like to thank my
    pal Michael Hayde, [removed] "Mr. Dragnet" for answering my questions about
    Jack Webb's book "The Badge." But point for point, I'd like to address:

>     But Derek, there are some problems with your Webb-ian chronology, which
>     surprises me.  Didn't you read "My Name's Friday"?

    Read it? Heck, I'm in it!

    When I mentioned that by the time of "The Badge" was published in 1958 that
    Webb was
    producing and starring in movies like "The [removed]" and "--30--,"

    Michael responded:

>     No, sir.  "The [removed]" was produced in the spring of 1957; "-30-" in the
>     autumn of 1959.

    I said "...movies LIKE 'The [removed],. and '--30--'. I didn't necessarily mean
    these titles.

    It's good to know Mr. Webb was able to multi-task and find time to pen the
    book
    "The Badge,"  even tho' his top priority at the time, according to the
    "Dragster'
    was the TV  version of "Pete Kelly's Blues." That's about the size of it.

    Yours in the ionosphere,

    Eric Taggart (name was changed to protect the insolent)

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    Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 11:56:16 -0400
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Corden/Morris/Ravescroft
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    Within a few days, we lost three cartoon voice men w/ OTR connections:
    Thurl Ravenscroft, Howard Morris, & Henry Corden. This reminds me of
    that week in early July 1989 when we lost Mel Blanc, Jim Backus, & Vic
    Perrin all in one fell swoop.

    The day after Mel Blanc died, I went into work & said to the nice old ladies
    there, "Did you hear Sir Laurence Olivier died?" The reaction I got was,
    "All right, Derek, what's the joke?" I pleaded, "It's no joke. I heard it on
    CNN about a half-hour ago."

    The ladies started reminiscing about Olivier's triumph in "Hamlet"
    & "Henry V." While I did appreciate Sir Larry, I was more affected
    by Blanc's passing & said to myself about the Olivier-lovers "Hello!
    Mel Blanc's body isn't even cold yet." In attempt to put things into
    what I felt was the proper perspective, I chimed in "Olivier was great
    ...but he was no Mel Blanc."

    "Who's Mel Blanc?" one lady asked. Another one added "Oh, he died,
    too. He was the voice of Donald Duck." Had I been ten years younger,
    I might've gone off on her to the effect of "Are you crazy? How could
    Mel Blanc have done the voice of Donald Duck over at Disney, when he
    was known for his work at Warners', [removed]!!" [kind of like that noted
    "Calvin & Hobbes"  Sunday strip when the dinosaur obsessed Calvin
    takes his dad to task  at a museum for his dad's ignorance on dinosaurs].

    Instead, I decided it wasn't worth trying to reach such people mired in
    pop-culture Philistinism and let the subject drop.

    I'm also saddened when I read this morning that we've now lost Eddie Albert.
    I'm sure there'll be some nice write-ups about him forthcoming here on the
    Digest.

    Best always from the ether!

    Derek Tague

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