Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #159
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 5/28/2001 1:59 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                          The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                             Volume 01 : Issue 159
                       A Part of the [removed]!
                               ISSN: 1533-9289

                               Today's Topics:

     Re: Thanks!                          [JBeck57143@[removed]                 ]
     ooops                                ["Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm]
     Is This A Shirt I Tee Before Me?     ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     Re: Les Tremayne not in North by Nor ["Jan Bach" <janbach@[removed];     ]
     Edward Binns; Paula Winslowe         [Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed]]
     Wendy Warren                         ["A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed].]
     Shows on Shamrock  tapes             [bill baker <jbbbks@[removed];      ]
     N/NW CAST                            ["jstokes" <jstokes@[removed];    ]
     OTR and Trains                       [Davidinmemphis@[removed] (David)   ]
     WOTW/COPYRIGHTS                      ["Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
     North by Northwest                   [lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo.]

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    Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 17:40:54 -0400
    From: JBeck57143@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Thanks!

    From: "Ken Kay" <kenwyn@[removed];

>     I want to thank those of you who sent me information on picture books of the
>     OTR performers.

    I could also use some information on picture books of OTR performers for an
    Illustration class at school. I know Ted Sennett's "The Old-Time Radio Book"
    has a lot of good pictures. What are some other books? Thanks

    Thanks,
    Jim Beck

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    Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 20:51:57 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  ooops

    I stand corrected.  Les Tremayne IS in North by Northwest, as the flustered
    auctioneer trying to keep the proceedings normal when Grant causes problems.
      Ken Lynch is one of the policemen.

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    Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 20:51:53 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Is This A Shirt I Tee Before Me?

    Gary [no last name] asks,

>     How feasible are T-shirt creations depicting our favorite OTR shows?
>     <snip> Just think of the treasure of ideas--T-shirts saying our favorite
>     phrases from shows that are forgotten (or never known) by the general
>     public but still revered by us--such as YTJD, various Dragnet lines,
>     etc

    I preface my observations by pointing out that I'm not a lawyer.
    However, let's attack this on three fronts.

    1)  It's feasible to print any phrase on any tee shirt.  There are places
    in almost any major city that will provide the service.

    2) There is a difference between copyright and trademark.  As I've been
    told, copyright protects intellectual property ([removed], a writer's work),
    but it can't protect something in general use such as a phrase like,
    "Great scott!"  A phrase, like the close of Captain Midnight's program,
    "Happy Landings!" should be unable to be copyrighted.  A phrase in
    combination with an image specifically related to a show, Such as "Who
    was that masked man?" and a domino mask might infringe a trademark.
    Naturally, a show name, such as, "The Adventures of Sam Spade" could be
    covered by trademark.

    Trademarks are different, and trademark protection, as I understand it,
    is a lot more complicated.  Suppose someone wanted to trademark a
    product.  They give it a name and note it as a trademark.  Two examples:
    Kodak cameras and Coca-Cola/Coke. These are trademarks, which
    differentiates each item from a lot of similar items.  But they only
    cover specific classes of item.  Hypothetically, one should be able to
    name an automobile tire a Coke and apply for a trademark: a tire is not a
    soft drink.  [Because of the pervasive exposure "Coke" gets, it might be
    possible that a case could be made to prevent this, but less exposed
    trademarks wouldn't have that protection.]  It may be that some program
    names are trademarked (The Lone Ranger immediately springs to mind), but
    not all.  This might require a trademark search.

    3) Images can be protected under either copyright, or trademark, or both.

>     Quick, before R$I copyrights the idea.  How would one go about doing
>     this?

    RSI can't copyright that _idea_.  A couple of years ago, one could buy
    any of dozens of insect-shaped novelties ranging from tiny carvings to
    stuffed animals, all labeled "Y2K Bug."  Conceivably, one could have
    tried to trademark the name, but nobody did -- and the name was too
    pervasive anyway.

    As long as a phrase isn't trade marked or copyright, there's nothing to
    keep anyone from manufacturing tee shirts.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:02:55 -0400
    From: "Jan Bach" <janbach@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Les Tremayne not in North by Northwest?

    Hello again ---

    Sorry to correct Martin Grams, Jr., but when he says of the actors in North
    by Northwest:

>     Les Tremayne - not in the movie.

    . . . I have to ask by what arcane sorcery the auctioneer at the Chicago art
    auction was able to borrow the face of  the general in "War of the Worlds,"
    who definitely WAS Les Tremayne :-). And, just for the record, Olan Soule
    plays the auctioneer's assistant standing just to the right of him. . .  the
    only time, I believe, that the two successive (and popular) leading men of
    First Nighter appeared in any film together!

    Jan Bach

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    Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:36:25 -0400
    From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Edward Binns; Paula Winslowe

    One never knows where an OTR Digest post will lead to.

    Edward Binns, though not a famous name, was certainly a reliable character
    actor.  I hadn't thought of him in  years until he was recently  mistaken
    for Frank Lovejoy by a poster to this forum.   He came to my hometown to
    make a movie in 1957 entitled PORTLAND EXPOSE, which detailed a high
    profile racketeering case in Portland, Oregon. Part of it was filmed in
    Gresham, a community directly east of Portland.  My research suggests it
    was an Allied Artists film based on a book by Bernard Victor Dryer entitled
    PORTLAND EXPOSE.  It was a Lindsley Parsons production. Anybody seen the
    film or read the book?  As I remember, Binns was quite friendly to the
    locals who had never observed  a movie being filmed.

    On another subject, Paula Winslowe was mentioned by Martin Grams.  As
    important as she was to radio and early television, I am surprised that
    more attention was not paid to her passing.  Weren't there some special
    circumstances, which resulted in her death not being known for some time,
    or is my memory failing me?

    Dennis Crow

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    Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 23:36:23 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Wendy Warren

>     Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 19:52:36 -0400
>     From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];

>     Actually, as I recall, Wendy never did a "real" newscast. Douglas Edwards
>     usually read "real" news, then ended with the "And now Wendy, what's the
>     news from the ladies point of view" or some such.

    The show had a long run on radio, according to previous posts.  The
    newscast gimmick at the end may have changed over the show's run.  All I
    know is that when I heard it, circa 1954, "Wendy Warren" did the actual
    newscast.  I'd seen Douglas Edwards on TV by that time, and I knew who he
    was .  I'm sure I'd remember if I heard him, and I didn't.

     A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                        [removed]
     15 Court Square                     lawyer@[removed]
     Boston, MA 02108-2503      [removed]~lawyer/

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    Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 00:13:38 -0400
    From: bill baker <jbbbks@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Shows on Shamrock  tapes

    Back in the 70's I had a reel to reel Sony and was
    able to record several reels of shows such as Ghost
    Stories, Lights Out, Haunting Hour, Peril, Weird
    Circle, and others.  Since then, my Sony has bit the
    dust, and I have no clue to if any of the tapes are
    any good. Is there someone in the Kansas City area
    that I could get together with to check out these
    Shamrock tapes?

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    Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:20:38 -0400
    From: "jstokes" <jstokes@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  N/NW CAST

        There's a lot of speculation and confusion as to who is and who is not
    in "North By Northwest (NNW)," so here is the OFFICIAL (heh) cast list.    I
    will list the roles as issued by the studio.   Funny how they do that.   I
    also have the "also iu the cast" list.   Some brief discussion of that list,
    later.   So here goes.  Fasten your seat belts.

    Roger Thornhill - Cary Grant
    Eve Kendall - Eva Marie Saint
    Phillip Vandamm - James Mason
    Clara Thornhill (mom) - Jessie Royce Landis
    Professor - Leo G. Carroll
    Lester Townsend - Philip Ober (stage actor and sometime movie actor)
    Handsome Woman - Josephine Hutchinson (I am also puzzled by the description)
    (I am guessing she is Townsend's "wife."   The phoney Mrs. Townsend to throw
    Cary off in the movie).
    Leonard - Marin Landau (looks like "asp" in the Orphan Annie comic here!)
    Valerain - Adam Williams (the skinner thug)
    Licht - Robert Ellenstein (the beefer thug)
    Victor Larrabee - Robert Platt (Cary's lawyer here, he was James Dean's cop
    friend in "Rebel Without A Cause" and the boss in TV's "Get Smart").
    Auctioneer - Les Tremayne (YES, he IS in NNW)
    (not in official cast list, but --) Olan Soule is working alongside
    Tremayne.
    Dr. Cross (the doc who certifies that Cary is drunk) - Philip Coolidge, a
    great character actor
    Captain Junket - Edward Binns (who sound and looks a lot like Frank
    Lovejoy).   (He comes to the Townsend house to investigate).   (He went on
    to make a zillion dollars doing TV voiceovers).
    Chicago Policemen who take Cary into custody - Patrick McVey and Ken Lynch
    (either of whom look a lot like Tom Tully).
    (Ken Lynch was heard in a plethora of roles in radio).

    Other faces, other credits --

    Larry Dobkin was seated about the middle of the conference table when we
    first see "professor" Leo G. Carroll.   When he speaks, you recognize his
    voice.

    Stanley Adams was the police sgt that first encountered a drunken Cary.

    Stage and movie character Ned Glass was a ticket agent who told Cary Grant
    to "wait a minute."

    That's all I know, except I do have an entire cast list.  But that's way too
    much typing on a Decoration Day (that's what we used to call it!) morning.

    Take a veteran to breakfast today   And I shall!   C'est moi!   :)

    Jim Stokes

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    Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 11:20:40 -0400
    From: Davidinmemphis@[removed] (David)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR and Trains

    In addition to being a fan of OTR I am a railroad buff.  I am compiling
    a list for a trivia quiz of OTR shows that had trains or railroads as a
    part of the content of the show either in the title, the story line, the
    sponsor, etc.  (Examples: Grand Central Station, The Mysterious
    Traveler, The Railroad Hour, etc.)  Can anyone help?  Thanks in advance.

    David Chamberlain
    Memphis, TN

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    Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:07:46 -0400
    From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WOTW/COPYRIGHTS

      In the last posting, Michaell Biehel, said that the Permission to perform
    WOTW was a one-time shot.  Be that as it may, let's not nit-pick, Mike.  I
    am sure that  the (non-profit) organizations that want to perform this
    script, will have sense enough to contact their "Legal Eagles," to find out
    what has to be done.  These organizations, such as Garry Yoggy's are not
    that naieve  as to think they could do something illegal.  The webmaster of
    the Old-Time Radio Script list is a contributer to this Digest, BTW.

      And finally, if those scripts on the list have copyrights, then why are
    they there for you, me or anyone else tp print out and recreate?  Maybe even
    dealers have copied them and sold them, either on the internet or at OTR
    Conventions.

      What it really boils down to is this: In order for these scripts to really
    have their copyrights hold-up, a copy of each script that was performed
    along with a recording of the show, would have to be filed with the Library
    of Congress or the Copyright Office. Can you imaqgine just how much space
    that would have taken up?

    Owens Pomeroy

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Please remember that Mr. Pomeroy's opinions are _not_ those
    of a copyright attorney, and should be taken with a considerable grain of
    salt.

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    Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:58:02 -0400
    From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  North by Northwest

    Now I know there will be many other people who caught
    this error. But I thought I'd put my twon sense in
    anyway. Les Tremayne is in the movie. He plays the
    auctioneer who has all the trouble with Grant's
    character. A point of interest is the man standing to
    Tremayne's right. It's Olan Soule. If memory
    serves,Ken Lynch is one of the cops who arrest Grant
    for drunk Driving.

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