Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #197
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 6/20/2001 2:35 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                          The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                             Volume 01 : Issue 197
                       A Part of the [removed]!
                               ISSN: 1533-9289

                               Today's Topics:

     Betty Mandeville                     [JayHick@[removed]                    ]
     Copywrongs                           ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     Silent Film Stars on OTR             ["George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm]
     Amari probably owns what he sells in [Paulurbahn@[removed]                 ]
     olan soule                           [SacChief@[removed]                   ]
     Gale Gordon                          [Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed]]
     missing 16in discs                   ["Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed];       ]
     Ken Kingston                         [dougdouglass@[removed]             ]
     Silents, Please~!                    ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     A Grant From Royalty                 ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     Silent film stars                    [Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed]]
     Scarlet Queen                        [Osborneam@[removed]                  ]
     Broadcasting Cigarettes              ["Vince Long" <vlongbsh@[removed];   ]
     KITTY/GUNSMOKE/ABBIE'S IRISH ROSE    ["Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
     Matt and Kitty                       ["Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@neb.]
     #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig [lois@[removed]                  ]
     copyrights                           ["A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed].]
     Laura Leff on the air                [George Aust <austhaus1@[removed]]
     RSI again                            ["Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@eart]
     Old-Time Newspaper Clippings         ["Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];  ]
     RE:  Silent Film Stars on OTR        ["Elliott Stein" <[removed]]
     Re: Matt and Kitty                   [Ga6string@[removed]                  ]
     "Sorry, Wrong Number" proof          [Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed]]
     Archiving Our Collections            [Tom Kleinschmidt <otr1962@[removed]]
     silent film stars on radio           ["Art Shifrin" <goldens2@[removed]]
     Re: Puck the Comic Weekly            [garysteinweg@[removed]              ]

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    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:53:09 -0400
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Betty Mandeville

    Betty Mandeville, the first woman producer of a major radio program "The FBI
    in Peace and War" died on Jun 14 at the age of 90.  She and her surviving
    husband, Hendrick Booraem, were guests at our radio convention several years
    ago.  She cofounded the National Audio Theater/Blue Ridge Radio Players in
    Hendersonville, NC.

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    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:34:52 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Copywrongs

    A Joseph Ross, commenting on my observation that if an OTR show's rights
    status is unclear, then, "... it's understandable that dealer might sell
    them: they might honestly believe that the shows in question are in
    public domain," notes,

>     A little research will often disclose who owns the rights to something.
>     Amari apparently does his research.  Others can do the same.  ... This
>     is an argument that it's OK for me to steal something if I "honestly
>     believed" that nobody owned it.  That may work for an 8-year-old, but
>     adults should know better.

    Lest we get bogged down in technicalities, please note I said
    "understandable," not "justifiable."  The beginnings of the OTR hobby
    included the sale or trade of items that later research may have revealed
    somebody had the rights to.  Unless my memory is faultier than usual,
    many OTR shows sold for quite a while were AFRS shows that weren't
    supposed to be copied.  My point was that under the circumstances of an
    OTR show being in a "gray area," a dealer selling such merchandise
    wouldn't be doing it as a gesture of defiance of copyright.  Although
    both are crimes, but to stretch a point, there's a significant difference
    between involuntary manslaughter and first-degree murder.

    Dan Panke notes,

>     If I find a broadcast in my collection the no one in the world
>     possesses, I kind of think I own.  And, if I want to, I think I have the
>     right to burn it.  This would be sort of foolish so now I decide to give
>     it away and low and behold someone lays claim to it once they've gotten a
>     copy.  This copyright issue is very complicated.

    It is complicated.  But there is a simple way to look at this.  If I find
    a show in the attic that I somehow _know_ is the only copy of a
    broadcast, and it's a copyright ([removed], protected) item, I own that copy.
    In fact, under copyright law, I can even make a backup copy of it for
    protection.  I can also destroy it, if I so choose; that is my right.  In
    none of these circumstances have I altered the status of the content (the
    intellectual property).  I could even give it to someone else, and as
    long as I gave him or her any copies of it as well as the original,
    that's okay.

    Now suppose I put it into MP3 format and post it on the web for free
    downloading.  That alters the status of the intellectual property (the
    content) rather than the original recording.  I might not make any money
    giving it away, but I'm depriving the owner of the intellectual property
    just compensation.  Big difference.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:34:54 -0400
    From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Silent Film Stars on OTR

    Hello All,

    To find OTR appearances by silent film personalities Mr. Fells could try
    checking out the Fair Pickings website at [removed] where they
    have their stock of OTR programs indexed by personality.  I know they have
    listings for Mary Pickford, Lillian Gish, [removed] Griffith and even Theda Bara
    (I say even TB bacause her career was essentially over by the mid-1920s,
    before radio really got going).  This only indexes shows they have
    available, though not every radio appearance the person involved may have
    made.

    George

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    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:34:49 -0400
    From: Paulurbahn@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Amari probably owns what he sells in the sets

    In a message dated 6/19/01 4:54:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

>     But once I heard Mr. French's story about Carl Amari buying shows from him
>     at an OTR Convention, all the comments Mr. Amari posted in the digest seemed
>     ridiculous to me.

    I understand he also pays Jerry Haendiges to provide the shows that are used
    in the various box sets. Jerry is a good dealer that cares about OTR. He just
    provides Amari with most of his master material and from what I understand
    his relationship with Amari is no secret. That's fine.
    So since Amari only issues certain titles (program series, ie. Lone Ranger,
    Green Hornet, etc.) to the public (are we talking about maybe 100 or maybe
    200 series?) I can see where he might have rights to everything in that
    series.  All he had to do was get a paper signed by the series creator or in
    the case of some series the sponsor.
    So let's forget Mr Amari and our present problems for now and return to
    Yesteryear! (Amari bought them too).
    Paul Urbahns

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    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:36:28 -0400
    From: SacChief@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  olan soule

>     >From time to time, i note references to Olan Soule on this thread. For

    example, there was a recent reference to his appearnce in a Dr. Christian
    episode. I remember him well .
    Somehow, i always thought of him as an announcer, rather than an actor. Am I
    wrong? Was he both? Incidentally, within the past few years (I believe at the
    time of his death), I learned that he and I were very distant cousins. The
    Soule family has an organization and publishes a quarterly newsletter, which
    noted his death. Some parts of the family pronounce the name "sole-lay" as
    olan did; my mother's part pronounces it "sole"; but we're all parts of a
    humungous, prolific family which started in 1620 when Geo. Soule came to
    America, settled in Roxbury,MA, had a bunch of kids, and so on. bob keldgord

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    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:36:26 -0400
    From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Gale Gordon

    Ben called for Gale Gordon interviews yesterday, but I encourage him  not
    to overlook the print media.  There's a dandy interview with Gale Gordon
    in Dina-Marie Kulzer's book, TELEVISION SERIES REGULARS OF THE FIFTIES AND
    SIXTIES [McFarland, 1991]. There is discussion of his radio work.

    This is the book that softened my feelings about Gordon.  Mel Blanc was not
    very complimentary towards Gordon in his 1988 autobiography, THATS NOT ALL
    FOLKS, which was written with Philip Bashe [Warner Books].  In fact, Blanc
    calls him a "schmuck." (p. 136).

    Dennis Crow

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    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:36:24 -0400
    From: "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  missing 16in discs

    hi
    i know most here aren't interested in 16in discs, but i am looking for
    a few to fill in runs of series, they have been done to death already, i know,
    but all i want to do is set up a borrowing date for later this summer
    or a trade, series for series.
    i need the following 16in discs, must be in good shape
    frank race #s 1-7, 18/19, 22-30
    frontier town, #s 2/3, 8/9 12-15, 18-26 and i might not need all these in
    betweeners as i have some from disc already, but on that squeeling black
    coated tape, the dirty !@$!%
    oh! yes i might need some damon runyon discs also
    ok, can anyone help? i know most people here, this is of no interest, but for
    the few i know and for those i missed this is the only way i know of
    contacting large numbers of people, and the calling all cars project
    i mentioned way back is on hold, my buddy can only do so many and he is
    to meticulious to rush
    many thanks, ed.

    i am not about to push it

    the 3rd man/harry lime, i only have 5 discs, trade my 5 for another 5

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    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 19:56:14 -0400
    From: dougdouglass@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ken Kingston

    The "Dr. Christian" episode posted by Lois, includes a Ken Kingston in
    the cast.  Is this the same person who's now an "Astrologer to the
    Stars" with a 900-number?
    ---Doug

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    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:22:01 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Silents, Please~!

    Robert Fells notes,

>     In my research, I've haphazardly come across OTR shows where a famous
>     silent screen star of the 1920s was either featured or hosted.  <snip>
>     Harold Lloyd was the host in 1945 or 46 for the Old Golds Comedy program;
>     Conrad Nagel turns up as host in a few shows.

    Well, Harold Lloyd appeared in some talkies, and quite entertainingly.
    Mad Wednesday and Movie Crazy are two of these, and both hold up well
    today.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:22:14 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  A Grant From Royalty

    Andrew Emmerson, contrasting the steady salary of someone who works for a
    manufacturer with those who might be authors, performers, and the like,
    notes,

>     The people who write scripts, books, songs etc. have no salary or
>     guaranteed income; nobody pays them a penny until someone decides to buy
>     the rights to one of their copyrighted works. This is a fundamentally
>     different way of earning a living.

    A tiny clarification: many of these "no guaranteed income" folk get
    royalties from their work(s).  They usually get a percentage of the
    revenues their work(s) generates, issued periodically (annually,
    quarterly, etc.).  Nobody has to buy their rights for them to realize
    income.  This is part of the problem we've been discussing at astonishing
    length.

    If I buy the latest Stephen King novel, I'm not buying his copyright.
    I'm buying _a single copy_ of his intellectual property, in this case, a
    story.  The physical copy's price includes funds for the store selling
    the book, the distributor, and the publisher.  The publisher splits some
    of what it receives with Mr. King.  Since most of Mr. King's books are
    bestsellers, the publisher gets rich and so does Mr. King.

    Possibly, an author might sell his or her rights, but there would have to
    be an extremely good reason, since if the work has any real merit, the
    writer would do better to hang onto the rights and collect royalties or
    equivalent distributions.

    However, Andrew Emmerson is correct in noting that unlike a salaried job,
    a writer, composer, actor, and the like, depends upon whatever income can
    be realized from his or her work/performance.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:23:54 -0400
    From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Silent film stars

    I don't know eactly what kind of billing Robert Fells refers to but I
    worked frequently with two men who were big silent stars: Francis X
    Bushman, the original star of Ben Hur, and Herbert Rawilinson who was a
    top leading man in silents. They appeared in many different roles on
    OTR, not necessarily as stars.

    Harry Bartell

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    Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:23:52 -0400
    From: Osborneam@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Scarlet Queen

    Would the man who has an episode of the Voyage of the Scarlet Queen
    that doesn't appear in any logs, please contact me?  I've sent email to
    you twice and I get no reply (or were you merely trolling??)

    Arlene Osborne

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:00:03 -0400
    From: "Vince Long" <vlongbsh@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Broadcasting Cigarettes

    It's been a few years since cigarette ads were banned on radio and
    television.  I understand that they cannot be broadcast for any reason, even
    to maintain the historical accuracy of an old radio or TV program.  This
    means that a radio station replaying some Jack Benny programs would have to
    edit the Lucky Strike commercials, not always easy to do when they were
    embedded in a programs's storyline.

    Does anyone on the list know the limit on rebroadcasting cigarette
    commercials?

    The broadcast ban also got me thinking about what "broadcast" means anymore.
    For example, could the cigarrette commercial be played in a program
    "broadcast" over a cable TV system since it does not use the airwaves?  Or
    how about when it is streamed over the Internet to a cable modem?  Or served
    up on a website as an MP3?  With many of these technologies converging, I'm
    wondering where the lines are drawn.

    These are not just philosophical questions.  Several of my high school
    students are interested in writing and performing their own radio drama and
    comedy.  I suggested that they recreate several of the old shows to become
    familiar with the art form.  Tomorrow we will record a program that has
    cigarrette ads.  I suggested that they take then out in case they want to
    broadcast the show at some point.  They are bristling at the idea.

    Vince

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:09:16 -0400
    From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  KITTY/GUNSMOKE/ABBIE'S IRISH ROSE

    In answer to the posting about Kitty's "profession," she was a
    "Businesswoman" who ran the Long Branch (not Trail's End, or whatever was
    mentioned in the last edition) Saloon.  She was in Partners with Sam, the
    Bartender and had hostesses working for her, of course to keep the men
    Company. She did have feelings for Matt, as was more indicated in the TV
    version more than the radio series, especially when Matt was seriously
    wounded and she kept a vigil over him.  A fitting ending to both series
    would be to have had Matt "pop the question" to Kitty, but he said many time
    in both the radio and TV series that his job was too dangerous to have to
    leave a woman a widow someday.
    - --------------------------------------------------------------------
    ABBIE'S IRISH ROSE:

      I remember reading in one of the OTR Newsletters that there are no shows
    circulating of this marvelous series about an Irish girl who marries a
    Jewish man and the battle between the two fathers of the young couple.  It
    said that the Ann Nichols Estate would not release any of the shows for
    commercial distribution, and I have not seen the show listed in any OTR
    catalog.  What a pity, as it was a great show.

    Owens Pomeroy

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 00:22:31 -0400
    From: "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@[removed];
    To: "old time radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Matt and Kitty

    Hi all:
    Tony Bell suggests that Kitty wanted something to happen more than Matt did.
    This isn't actually the case.  The writers played up Matt and Kitty more in
    the earlier episodes from 1952 and 1953.  Often times, people would give
    Matt grief because they knew he was interested in Kitty.  He would usually
    respond by knocking the antagonist on his fanny.  There is an episode
    called, "Kitty," where Matt tries to take Kitty to a dance.  Both he and
    Kitty are heckled by the entire town and the date is a flop.  This earlier
    episode explains a lot about why they probably never had a relationship.
    Personally, I wish they had done more scripts like this on Gunsmoke.  This
    episode had no gunfight, brawls or arrests in [removed] was just good human
    drama.  The script was written by Antony Ellis, who also penned the episode,
    "Christmas Story," which was another soft story of human drama.  I wish they
    had used Ellis  more because it was a great chance to get insights into the
    characters.
    RyanO

    "It don't matter how a man [removed]'s how he lives that's important."
    CPT. Augustus McCrae "Lonesome Dove"

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 04:52:01 -0400
    From: lois@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
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    over four years, same time, same channel!

    Our numerous "regulars" include one of the busiest "golden years" actors in
    Hollywood; a sound man from the same era who worked many of the top
    Hollywood shows; a New York actor famed for his roles in "Let's Pretend" and
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    maintainer of the best-known OTR Digest (we all know who he is)..........

    and Me

    Lois Culver
    KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
    KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
    and widow of actor Howard Culver

    (For more info, contact lois@[removed])

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:01:19 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  copyrights

>     Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 16:37:51 -0400
>     From: Dan Panke <dpanke@[removed];

>     I failed to mention that the current broadcast is NOT in circulation.  This
>     was sort of a follow up to a previous posting.  Tough to lay claim to
>     something you don't or can't possess without someone giving or selling it to
>     you.  You mention 'theft'.  How can there be theft when nothing is taken?

    It doesn't have to be in circulation for someone to own the rights.  Your
    possession of a physical copy doesn't make you the owner of the
    intellectual property.  If you own a copy of an out-of-print book, this
    does not give you the right to reprint it.

     A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                        [removed]
     15 Court Square                     lawyer@[removed]
     Boston, MA 02108-2503      [removed]~lawyer/

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:01:21 -0400
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Laura Leff on the air

    Hey [removed] Play "Misty" for me!

    George Aust

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:02:52 -0400
    From: "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RSI again

    Stephen A Kallis, Jr wrote :

>     For instance, if I buy a protected tape from a legitimate dealer, I've done

    something legal.  If I

>     give that tape to another person as a gift, what I've dome is legal: the
>     recipient now owns the copy of the protected work.  If I strike a copy to
>     keep before I give away the original, and then give the original away,
>     I've done something illegal.

    If thats true substantially all trading of shows is Illegal. You also
    mention purchasing shows from "legitimate" dealers.

    The following information comes from Radio Spirits own website at

    [removed];Svr=111&l=1&source=rs

>     Before long, Carl had negotiated exclusive audio and broadcast rights for

    "The Mel Blanc Show," "I Love a Mystery," "The Jack Benny Program," "The
    Burns & >Allen Show," "This Is Your FBI," "Tales of the Texas Rangers," "The
    Lone Ranger," "Sergeant Preston of the Yukon," and many other classic
    series. With a >treasure trove of golden-age shows under license to his
    company, Carl had little trouble hosting a local radio show on WJJD and WJKL
    in Chicago and starting >a mail-order and retail campaign to sell audio
    cassettes.

    RSI website makes clear that it own EXCLUSIVELY (ie,, No one Else) the Show
    I LOVE A MYSTERY. Yet to the best of my knowledge RSI has never offered I
    LOVE A MYSTERY except possibly when liquidating Adventures in Cassettes
    inventories. I myself purchased "Temple of the Vampires", "Thing that Cries
    in the Night", "Bury Your Dead, Arizona" , "Battle of Century", and "The
    Richards Curse" serials of I LOVE A MYSTERY from competing small dealer Carl
    Freolich, Jr who is no longer in business. I suspose if these EXCLUSIVE
    rights can be effectively enforced then I would not be able to even purchase
    it from anybody. I suspect as a former R$I customer that this strategy is
    designed to deliberately inflate demand.

    Sincerely,
    Mike Kerezman

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:02:06 -0400
    From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
    To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Old-Time Newspaper Clippings

    Radio Life, February 6, 1944:
    Caption under picture -
    The entire "Main Line" cast gathers around the table after rehearsal while
    Producer Lansworth checks flaws in production.  Lansworth doesn't believe in
    a regular cast for his show; he prefers to cast according to type, and
    carefully picks each voice on the show for its similarity to that of a
    character in the script.  Wally Maher, who is narrator on the program, is
    the only regular member heard each week. KFRC-Mutual's "Main Line" airs at 8
    PM Wednesday.  Left to right are Wally Maher,narrator, Lew X. Lansworth,
    writer-director; Howard Culver and Howard McNear, actors; Carl Kent,
    announcer, Cliff Clark, Pinky Parker, Phil Kramer and Harry Lang, actors.

    Lois Culver

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:02:08 -0400
    From: "Elliott Stein" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE:  Silent Film Stars on OTR

    Does anyone know if Chaplin ever appeared on radio?

    Thanks,

    Elliott Steni

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:56:28 -0400
    From: Ga6string@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Matt and Kitty

    Re: Kitty's "trade," and her relationship with [removed] In the 5-hr. Gunsmoke
    radio special from 1976, didn't Parley Baer say specifically that it was
    clearly understood that Kitty was a prostitute, and that Matt would, um,
    visit her in that capacity?
    Bryan Powell

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 11:16:38 -0400
    From: Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Sorry, Wrong Number" proof

    I've been following this thread with great interest
    and have decided to add my two cents.

    I have both versions in my possession and I listened
    to both of them again yesterday to try to decide the
    matter once and for all.

    On the version labeled east coast, after the
    murder occurs, there is a prolonged silence. The actor
    playing the murderer decides that the sound of the
    telephone being answered by the police isn't coming
    and delivers his line anyway, which is "Hello, Police
    [removed] Oh I'm sorry, I musta got the wrong number." As
    he is finishing his line, the sound of the police
    answering their phone finally arrives. The policeman
    on the phone says, "Police Department, Precinct 43,
    Sgt. Martin speaking." Then he repeats several times,
    "Police Department. Martin speaking. Police Dept.
    Martin speaking." Now that his voice cue has finally
    arrived, the murderer repeats his line and the program
    ends.

    In the west coast version, the pause and the
    first time the murerer's line is read has been edited
    out. In order to do that, the first part of the
    policeman's line has to be edited out as well. Instead
    of answering the phone with "Police Department,
    Precinct 43, Sgt. Martin speaking." you only hear the
    policeman say, "Police Department. Martin speaking."
    repeated several times. If the west coast version were
    really a different performance done a few hours later,
    there would be no reason to change the line delivered
    by the policeman on the phone.

    Those of you who believe that you have a legitimate
    west cost version, listen to how the policeman answers
    his phone. If you don't hear him say "Precinct 43",
    you are listening to an edited version of the original
    performance.

    If you have a copy from that date that is missing the
    mistake and the policeman says "Precinct 43" as he
    answers the phone following the murder, you have an
    arguement about the existence of a west coast version.
    If you don't, you might want to consider the
    possibility that this is one of the most successful
    ongoing hoaxes in the OTR world today. That's what
    I've come to believe.

    D. A. Berryhill

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 12:43:39 -0400
    From: Tom Kleinschmidt <otr1962@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Archiving Our Collections

    Hello all,

         There is a very interesting article at this link
    from Billboard magazine related to archiving and
    storage of recorded tapes, discs, [removed] and while it
    is primarily about the music industry, much applies to
    OTR:

    [removed]

    Tom

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 13:16:31 -0400
    From: "Art Shifrin" <goldens2@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  silent film stars on radio

    William S. Hart appeared at least twice on the Rudy Valle Hour: 12/13/34 &
    11/11/37.

    Francis X. Bushman appeared on at least one episode of the Railroad Hour,
    circa 1947 in what I think was Desert Song by Sigmund Romberg

    Gloria Swanson made her rado debut (according to Rudy's announcment) of the
    Vallee Show on 4/19/34.

    The other appaerances I have by Swanson are:

    Murder By The Book, Suspense, 7/10/47, CBS
    The Big Show 12/31/50, NBC

    Is it correct to cite Jolson as a 'silent' star?  Did he make any films
    prior to his first for Warners, the short that ran in Sept 26 "Plantation
    Act"? (one year prior to The Jazz Singer).

    Best,
    Shiffy

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    Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 14:57:40 -0400
    From: garysteinweg@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Puck the Comic Weekly

>     "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
>     I remember "The Comic Weekly Man" on the local station in
>     Albany, New York.

    OK.  This tells me it wasn't just a local program.

    	Gary in Sandy Eggo

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