Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #172
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 6/6/2001 6:01 AM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                          The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                             Volume 01 : Issue 172
                       A Part of the [removed]!
                               ISSN: 1533-9289

                               Today's Topics:

     ID wanted:  Snake dance, Snake Charm [Graham Newton <gn@audio-restoration]
     OTR CDs at Discount warehouses and M [SanctumOTR@[removed]                 ]
     Hate Is a Strong Word                ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
     Re: Paul McGrath                     [Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed]]
     Re: Train Shows                      [Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];       ]
     Re: children's radio                 ["Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed]]
     Re:copyright                         [Fred Berney <berney@[removed];      ]
     Olan Soule                           ["David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed]]
     Tollin on the hot seat?              [Paulurbahn@[removed]                 ]
     Children's/Teens Radio Programming T ["CKretlow" <ckretlow@[removed]; ]
     MORE on RSI/Napster/Copyrights       ["David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed]]
     Let`s close the book on napster disc [DBacca@[removed]                   ]
     Re: "Public Domain"                  [Tony Bertolino <tonydot@[removed];]
     Public domain                        ["Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];    ]
     #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig [lois@[removed]                  ]
     Hot Copy!                            [Larry Groebe <lgroebe@[removed];  ]
     What is Copyright?                   [Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];       ]
     Temple of Thieves                    ["mutineer" <mutineer@[removed];   ]

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    Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:34:50 -0400
    From: Graham Newton <gn@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  ID wanted:  Snake dance, Snake Charmer, Hoochie
     Koochie, Hula-Hula Dance   [removed]

    There have been apparently many names for this piece over the years.
    Everyone has probably heard it in Warner Brothers or other cartoons, and on
    various old radio shows as a "gag" piece, but nobody has been able to identify
    it positively or suggest a composer.

    Names like Snake Dance, Snake Charmer, Hoochie Koochie, and Hula-Hula Dance
    have been suggested, but nothing can be found on these.

    It is possible that it is one of those "traditional" or "public domain"
    pieces that have been lost in time.

    A pianist friend played 4 variations on a synthesizer so you can actually
    hear what it is.  Here's the piece played on a few different instruments
    that may tweak your memory.

    Can anyone put a name to this?

    Piano version:  [removed]

    Harmony version:  [removed]

    Clarinet version:  [removed]

    English horn version:  [removed]

    Just click on the above links to hear them.

    Meanwhile, if the musical notes do anything for you here it is:-

    Key = d Minor

    D E F E D, D E F A E F D, F G A A Bb A G E, F G G A G F, D E F E D,
    D E F A E F D

    ... Graham Newton

    --
    Audio Restoration by Graham Newton, [removed]
    World class professional services applied to phonograph and tape
    recordings for consumers and re-releases, featuring CEDAR processes.

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    Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:28:05 -0400
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR CDs at Discount warehouses and MARILYN
     MONROE on radio

    In a message dated 6/5/01 7:55:52 PM, Tom Kleinschmidt writes:

>     On another subject, since Anthony has been involved with the numerous set
>     booklets that have been issued by Radio Spirits perhaps he can answer a
>     question. Why
>     [doesn't] Radio Spirits also offer their collections that are sold at the
>     various warehouse clubs in the CD format?

    ***I've never actually asked but have always assumed that it's probably the
    choice of the warehouse companies themselves.  Generally, the membership-only
    warehouses are interested in providing the lowest-priced items and the CD
    sets are still more costly than the cassette versions.  Perhaps this may
    change in the future now that RSI has dropped the price on their 60-show,
    30-CD sets from $[removed] to $[removed], making what was already a bargain even
    better.  Again, that's just an educated guess on my part and I work at home,
    nearly a thousand miles from RSI's offices.  By the way, I strongly recommend
    RSI's latest cassette and CD 60-show collections, THE LONE RANGER ON RADIO a
    nd THE 60 GREATEST OLD TIME RADIO SHOWS FROM SCIENCE FICTION SELECTED BY RAY
    BRADBURY, and also their new SMITHSONIAN ORSON WELLES collection.  And I had
    a blast writing the historical program booklets.***

    And Dan Panke asks:

>     Did Marilyn Monroe ever do any radio broadcasts?

    ***Indeed she did.  Offhand, I recall "Charlie McCarthy Weds Marilyn Monroe"
    from a November 1952 episode of THE CHARLIE McCARTHY SHOW which is included
    in GAA's TOO HOT FOR RADIO COLLECTION.  She also appeared on radio in an
    episode of THE DEAN MARTIN AND JERRY LEWIS SHOW, a clip of which appears on
    my TOO HOT FOR RADIO audio documentary.  The GAA boxed set also includes two
    delightful photos of Marilyn with Charlie and a historical booklet by
    --ANTHONY TOLLIN***

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    Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:28:27 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hate Is a Strong Word

    Paul Urbahns, speaking of the RSI/MediaBay controversy, notes,

>     Let's face it most of us hate Radio Spirits regardless of what they do.

    I for one don't.  I deplore what I consider their alleged business
    practices to be, which I'd characterize as morally questionable and
    dishonorable, if practiced as described.  But I've dealt with RSI before
    and have no doubt that I will do so in the future.

>     Let's drop the discussion on Radio Spirits and Napster and get back to
>     the subject that binds us together. Old Time [removed];<

    Regrettably, both of these subjects impact Old Time Radio for many
    collectors.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:28:25 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Paul McGrath

    Michael Gwynne offers kind words, and then [removed]

>        By the way, can you tell me whatever happened to the only genuinely
>     creepy voice to ever haunt the "Inner Sanctum," Paul McGrath?

    McGrath died in 1978 at the age of 74. While his Inner Sanctum and
    soap-opera work may be his best-known accomplishments for OTR fans, his
    real career was as a journeyman Broadway actor, where he appeared in
    supporting roles in a wide range of plays during the 1930s and 1940s. He
    also dabbled in live TV drama, and appeared in a handful of movies, the
    best-known of which was probably "No Time For Love" (1943), in which he
    appeared in support of Claudette Colbert and Fred MacMurray. McGrath can
    also be seen in a small part in "A Face In The Crowd" (1957), still one
    of the best movies about television ever made.

    (And personally, as such things go, I think the Lipton Tea lady was much
    creepier.)

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:43:17 -0400
    From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Train Shows

    From: Tom Kleinschmidt <otr1962@[removed];

>     On the subject of train shows, there is a show from the mid 1950's
>     from Chicago called Americana. It was produced by the speech
>     department of Northwestern University. The shows feature short
>     dramatizations, readings of poetry, prose, [removed] and some folk
>     music. At least two feature Railroad Themes. They are:
>     3/13/54 Some Railroad Reminiscences
>     10/23/54 Memoirs Of A Railroad Century

    Oh this makes me feel so good, Tom, that this series is remembered.
    That series on WMAQ/NBC was written and hosted by my mentor at
    Northwestern University, the late Dr. Martin J. Maloney.  He was the
    chairman of my PhD. dissertation committee, the instructor I had in my
    broadcasting history, writing, and criticism courses, and the one who
    turned me loose in the broadcast archive collection held by the
    department.  We had so many of the shows in that series on disc that I
    didn't list the individual dates in the catalog I compiled of the
    collection.  I don't see a notation in my catalog mentioning if I ever
    got around to making copies of these shows for myself but I hope that I
    have at least a few.  I used to love to listen to them as I was
    puttering around the place. He was a very kind and gentle soul, and I
    think you will hear it in his voice on those programs.  You'll find a
    lot of similarity between these shows and the work of Studs Terkel.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 22:56:42 -0400
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: children's radio

    Well, there's one voice we haven't heard from on the subject of kid radio,
    and that's Kathy O'Connell.  She ran KidsAmerica on National Public Radio
    for several years, runs a childrens' show on Philadelphia
    public radio (the U Penn station, I believe), teaches kids how to do radio
    shows, and is an expert on the radio version of Gunsmoke as well.  She is
    also my all-time favorite radio person: nobody can do an ad-lib better.

    M Kinsler

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    Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:01:31 -0400
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:copyright

    I'm attending a meeting tomorrow night at which there will be a copyright
    attorney speaking. I'll be asking a lot of questions. Is there anything
    beyond the obvious that someone can suggest I ask?

    Fred
    For the best in Old Time Radio Shows [removed]
    New e-commerce page [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:13:04 -0400
    From: "David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Olan Soule

    Richard Veit writes:

>     Among lots of other credits, Olan Soule will be remembered in the role
>     of John Masters, the hotel clerk and choir director on "The Andy Griffith
>     Show."

    Didn't Olan Soule also have one of the lead roles in the 1950's TV version
    of Captain Midnight?

    Dave Phaneuf

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    Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:30:35 -0400
    From: Paulurbahn@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Tollin on the hot seat?

    Tom wrote:

>     On another subject, since Anthony has been involved with the numerous set
>     booklets that have been issued
>     by Radio Spirits perhaps he can answer a question.

    Let's real here people. Tony is a paid writer for Radio Spirits just as he
    has done other OTR projects in the past for other companies. That's how he
    makes a living and we benefit from his knowledge. We should be glad he
    monitors and sometimes participates on this list. Let's don't put him on the
    hot seat and ask him to comment (for free) on something he has no control
    over.
    When you start asking questions to an individula on a mass list like this it
    leaves other people out.
    Paul Urbahns

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    Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 01:04:38 -0400
    From: "CKretlow" <ckretlow@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Children's/Teens Radio Programming Today?

    In regard to Ted Kneebone's question:

    "Maybe someone can answer this for me:  aside from popular music, is there
    anything left on radio that appeals to children today?  I'm talking about
    young children and teenagers."

    Yes, indeed!  There is an excellent series put out by Focus On The Family
    called "Adventures In Odyssey".  Many teens and
    their younger siblings, of families we know, listen faithfully to this
    program and enjoy it immensely.
    (There is a daily broadcast and a weekly series.)

    Web site:  [removed]  to locate
    your local broadcast time and station.

    For an introduction to "Adventures In Odessey" for those not familiar with
    this program, you might want to go to:
    [removed] which gives a source for
    the early programs and reviews of some.

    Focus On The Family web site for further information:
    [removed]

    Celia ~

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    Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 01:28:47 -0400
    From: "David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  MORE on RSI/Napster/Copyrights

    This whole thread has been wonderfully [removed]

    I did say in Issue 170:

>     Granted, Mr. Amari could be a little more helpful to everyone
>     involved and inform everyone what copyrights he holds.

    And by that I did intend to indicate my awareness that Carl Amari isn't
    playing fair and should not be withholding info as to what copyrights he
    actually does hold.  It is only right that if you want someone to stop using
    your stuff, you should at least tell them what stuff of yours you are using.

    I will say, however, that I hadn't carried it quite as far in my own mind,
    as some have, as to see in RSI/Amari's efforts an attempt to drive the
    competition out of business by getting them to stop all OTR activities.
    Steve Kallis, Michael Biel, Dan Hughes, and numerous others have helped me
    to see this larger issue more clearly.  If this is the case, if this is what
    Amari's real intent is, then I certainly agree with the other side as well.

    I do want to point out, however, that my comments were for the most part in
    response to Rodney Bowcock's assertion that if Mr. Amari truly loved OTR, he
    would see unlawful use of his materials as a means of furthering his
    business.  (my understanding of Rodney's words)  I think the premise is
    faulty.  Lost sales are lost sales, and it is questionable whether pirated
    copies will generate more sales.  Infringement on copyrights is a violation
    of someone else's rights, and a theft of their due income.

    Michael Biel did make a very good point, worth noting, that Amari's
    "copyrights" may only give him the right to make copy and profit thereby,
    and not true "ownership" of the copyright, which may yet be retained by the
    original copyright holders.  Who knows? is what I hear Michael Biel asking,
    since Amari won't disclose.

    At any rate, I'm still trying to keep an open mind on the issue, which may
    be easier for me, as I am not a dealer.  I will say that I have bought from
    several of the dealers and have found ALL OF THEM to be wonderful folks, and
    honest and trustworthy.  I have been very, very satisfied with the quality
    not only of their products but also of their service and prices  -- I'm
    talking about those of you who set up shop at the Cincinnati OTR convention.
    Not only are you great to buy from, but chatting and visiting with you is a
    real treat.  My only regret in dealing with [removed] that I didn't have more
    money to spend with you!  I'd love to be able to single-handedly keep you in
    the profit zone buying up your OTR tapes and CD's.

    However, I have also bought from RSI, and have never had any problems with
    them either.  So I can't fault them on prices or service or quality, as some
    have.  The issue for me will have to remain with the copyright problem and
    what may be the ulterior motives of RSI, not their products.

    Well, this is starting to sound like I'm talking out of both sides of my
    mouth, so I better shut-up. Because if there's one thing I can't stand, it's
    those who talk out of both sides of their mouths.

    you all have a great day!

    Dave Phaneuf

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    Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 01:29:17 -0400
    From: DBacca@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Let`s close the book on napster discussion

    Paul Urbahns wrote:

>     Let`s
>     face it most of us hate Radio Spirits regardless of what they do. Many
>     of our assembled goup realize the technical advance  Napster is, But
>     there are always going to be those on the other side of the fence. It
>     does not advance the hobby to bicker among [removed]

    Neither myself or do I think the majority here "hates" Radio Spirits
    "regardless" of what they do - although I would question some of their
    business practices. As a somewhat casual observer, I found this
    discussion to be highly informative and learned a great deal. As opposed
    to "bickering among ourself", I veiwed it more along the lines of of a
    healthy debate & constructive criticism of what I consider to be a
    pertinent subject.   Dan Bacca

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    Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 01:42:41 -0400
    From: Tony Bertolino <tonydot@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: "Public Domain"

    Usually works go into public domaine after 99 years. That makes OTR too young
    to
    benefit. Some musical theatre works are old enough. Gilbert and Sullivan
    shows are in
    public domain. Even though houses likeSamuel French have them in a catalog,
    you can
    still got to the Library of Congress and get the scripts. The copyright
    houses have
    taken up on this and offer scripts to buy but no royalties. Later works such as
    operettas in th 20's by Friml etc. are still under copyright and you have to
    pay a
    royalty. I can't see how any radio script can qualify.

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    Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 01:42:37 -0400
    From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Public domain

    Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed]; wrote:

>     Can someone give me a definition of "public domain" as it applies to golden
>     age radio programs, or as it applies generally,  if old radio shows are
>     treated the same as other media categories.  Perhaps a simple answer is
>     impossible.

    The simplest answer is that public domain means either that the creator of a
    work has given up his/her copyright voluntarily, dedicating the work to
    public use, or that the copyright has been allowed to expire.  (Until fairly
    recently, in the [removed] at least, you didn't gain copyright on a work unless
    you marked it with a proper copyright notice, but this requirement has been
    dropped in order for the [removed] to join the Berne Convention on copyright
    protection.  Today, works of authorship are "born" copyrighted, though it is
    still a good idea to affix a copyright notice if you're worried about the
    issue.)

    The tricky part is that there are often several kinds of intellectual
    property embodied in a single radio program, such as the story, the musical
    compositions, the sound recording (after 1972) and possibly even trademarks
    (such as the Captain Midnight name, the names of advertised products, and
    the NBC chimes).  To be able to distribute copies of a show (or broadcast
    it, or even play it in a public performance such as at an OTR convention)
    you have to make sure that *all* of these rights have either expired or been
    cleared for your intended use, and that's the part that often gets
    difficult.

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    Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 04:52:00 -0400
    From: lois@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

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    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
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    over four years, same time, same channel!

    Our numerous "regulars" include one of the busiest "golden years" actors in
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    KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
    KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
    and widow of actor Howard Culver

    (For more info, contact lois@[removed])

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    Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:56:37 -0400
    From: Larry Groebe <lgroebe@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hot Copy!

    Last week, Jim [removed]

>     Date: Wed, 30 May 2001 23:13:21 -0400

>     Is anyone out there familiar with a little drama called Hot Copy that
>     appeared on NBC Red and then Blue between 1941-44?  I'm trying to
>     determine if it could seriously be dubbed a crimefighting show.

    Holy mackerel, a question about an OTR series which has gone unanswered!
    Even Elizabeth has gone silent on [removed] for once, *I* have an answer.

    I have a "Hot Copy" script in my library - published in a 1946 book called
    "Professional Radio Writing" by Albert Crews. The book reprints the cover
    page of a 3/26/44 Hot Copy script called "Something for Nothing", and then
    goes on to reprint an entirely different episode called "Death to Play and
    Mate." While the book describes the series as a "newspaper story", in the
    reprinted episode Anne Rogers definitely plays detective, much to the
    embarrassment of one Sergeant Flannigan, apparently one of several regular
    characters. (Two others, not in this episode but mentioned in the book, are
    a "private detective, a good friend of Anne's", and "Spritely Poole, an
    addlepated friend who shares an apartment and office space on the same
    newspaper" at which Anne writes her "Second Glance" column.

    Anyway, in the script, Anne plays detective -- in a space somewhere between
    Britt Reid in "Green Hornet" and Randy Stone in "Nightbeat," fingering the
    murderer and even explaining all the clues to Flannigan (who is very broadly
    written) at the episode's end. However, this book implies that not all the
    stories are mysteries - and in fact, now that I study the character list for
    the "Something for Nothing" episode, it looks like it's apparently the story
    of an elderly Jewish couple and a smooth-talking con man.

    There. Now the Digest's record for answering obscure questions remains
    unblemished.

     --Larry Groebe
       [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:56:40 -0400
    From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  What is Copyright?

>     Correct me if I am in error, but I read somwhere that the (c) is only good
>     for 20 years, and must be renewed, or it otherwisw becomes "public domain."
>     Owens Pomeroy

    Oh, but that this was true, but alas, you're in error.  Under the old
    1909 law an item could be copyrighted for 28 years plus a renewal for
    another 28 years.  That law was replaced by another way back in 1976
    which granted copyrights for a term of life of the last living author
    plus 50 years.  There have been a number of amendments to this in the
    past few years--so many that I have lost track of exactly what is or is
    not actually the current situation.  I believe that corporate copyrights
    are 75 years, but this might have been extended to 90 years.  Anybody
    know?  There might now be similar terms for personal copyrights--life
    plus, of course.  Common-law copyright, which is what pre-1972 sound
    recordings fall under, has likewise been extended to the point that
    recordings made between 1923 and 1972 will not go into the public domain
    until the year 2056.  I may have some of these numbers wrong, but the
    specifics are moot when you merely consider that the terms of copyright
    are llllooooonnnnngggggg.

    All of this has happened because most copyrights are corporate held and
    these corporations and their industry lobbying groups have a very strong
    presence in the hallways of our Capitol building.  One of the most
    recent extensions was passed by Congress to honor one of their fallen
    colleagues--one of the greatest recording artists of the 20th century,
    an outstanding politician, and a skillful skier----------Sonny
    Bono???????????  This gives you an idea of how easily our legislators
    can be swayed by a lot of money, lavish parties, and a hint of glamorous
    stars in their midst.  The USERS of copyrighted material--meaning
    us--had no say in this matter.

    All of this is a complete warping of what the original conception of
    copyright was.  Our founding fathers passed the original copyright and
    patent laws in order to encourage the creation of works and inventions
    by granting the creators protection to use and profit from their works
    FOR A LIMITED TIME PERIOD.  Then the work would pass into the Public
    Domain to allow its use by the PUBLIC for the PUBLIC GOOD.  That concept
    has been completely forgotten by our lobbyist-influenced legislators.
    The Public Good be damned.  What is good for BUSINESS is all that is
    important, because Business is where the Re-Election Fund money can be
    found.   All this sob-story about copyrights protecting the composers
    and writers is hogwash.  Remember, most copyrights are corporate held.

    Currently the copyright term for corporate copyrighted sound recordings
    in the European Common Union is 50 years from time of creation.
    Recordings thru 1950 are in the Public Domain in most of Europe, which
    is why you are seeing so many fantastic re-issue CDs coming out of
    Europe.  In the past few weeks we have been joking over at the 78-L
    about this, saying, just wait till 2006 when the first Elvis Presley
    records hit [removed]  THEN it will hit the fan, and the EC governing body
    will be bombarded with demands to increase copyright terms.  If terms
    are not increased, look out in 2012 when the Beatles recordings start
    hitting [removed]  WOW, will the fur fly!

    My personal feeling is that there should be a mixture of the abandonment
    clause that we see in Trademark law, and a compulsory licensing.  In
    trademarks, if you do not use a trademark for 5 years (or possibly 7)
    you will lose it.  (Emerson Electronics owns the trademarks for such
    electronic brands of the past as DuMont, Crossly, Webcor, and others.
    That is why you will find a line of TVs and appliances with one these
    names every few years and then they will disappear.  They bring some
    things out just to keep the trademark.)  My feeling is that if a
    copyright holder does not make an item available for a period of, lets
    say, 10 years, it should be considered abandoned.  I don't think that
    they should then lose the copyright, but I feel that they should be
    compelled to accept a Compulsory Licensing.  If somebody wants to use an
    unavailable copyrighted item they MUST be allowed to use it upon payment
    of a stated royalty.  This concept is in the copyright law when it comes
    to Mechanical Licenses of songs.  Once one person has been granted a
    Mechanical License to make a recording of a song, the copyright holders
    are REQUIRED to grant ALL OTHER requests for Mechanical Licenses to
    record that song.  It is illegal to allow only one person to record a
    song.  You can allow no one or everyone--not just one.  My idea would
    allow a company not be bothered with issuing a recording or a book or a
    movie, etc. if they don't want to, but they must allow others to do
    so--and they will get their licensing fee profit just the same as if
    they did it themselves.

    Remember, the ideas contained in this last paragraph are just ideas.
    They are NOT law.  But if someone has a couple million dollars to buy,
    er, lobby our legislators, maybe they could be convinced to pass such a
    law.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 07:56:42 -0400
    From: "mutineer" <mutineer@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Temple of Thieves

    Several issues back, StepToons wrote that us Napster users and supporters
    were "thieves". In the next issue, Michael Biel responded eloquently to that
    posting, and I was satisfied, sort of.  But perhaps a little more should be
    stated about Napster and otr.
     During the past year I picked up about 500 otr shows from Napster, and each
    day I went there, I offered between 50 and 100 shows for others to download.
    Does the fact that me and many other otr buffs traded our shows through
    Napster make us thieves in the night? I think not.
     And nobody can ever know how many young people got interested in the hobby
    by listening to some of the "free stuff" we made available to the public.
     A few readers may find this interesting: I always kept track of which shows
    of mine were downloaded. The winner by far was Ellery Queen. That totally
    surprises me.
     Changing the subject now, I have one question for the group. When I was a
    kid, my favorite lady was Fran Allison. Was she ever in other radio shows
    besides Breakfast Club?
           Jim Strouf

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