Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #256
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 8/8/2001 7:49 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2001 : Issue 256
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Old Time - Stereo????                 [ "Tom Barnett" <barnettl@[removed] ]
      Schaub-Lorenz Radio                   [ "Tom Barnett" <barnettl@[removed] ]
      WJZ                                   [ Richard Carpenter <sinatra@ragingbu ]
      Jim Snyder and NARA News              [ BRC Productions <platecap@brcradio. ]
      A&A 1932 Episode Summaries Now on Li  [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      MEREDITH MACRAE                       [ "Frosty R. Povick" <Frosty@prodigy. ]
      Imagination Theater                   [ John Francis MacEachern <johnfmac@m ]
      Reality, Transmitters and ?           [ "Robert Paine" <macandrew@[removed] ]
      KMOX                                  [ "Harold Zeigler" <hzeigler@charter- ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]
      Meredith MacRae / Archie Rothman      [ Tom Kleinschmidt <otr1962@[removed] ]
      Then and There                        [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Koss CDP-3000 CD--update              [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      Station Security: The Gleiwitz Incid  [ Tom van der Voort <evan@[removed]; ]
      RHAC                                  [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      Lux Radio Theater                     [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      Who's Alive & Who's Dead              [ Kubelski@[removed] ]
      Pinkerton                             [ "schickedanz" <schickedanz@[removed]; ]
      Tokyo Rose                            [ Jack A French <otrpiano@[removed]; ]
      Water Damaged Tapes                   [ ktrek@[removed] ]
      Re: KMOX and a question               [ Arthur Smith <agsmith_stl@[removed] ]
      The persistence of stagnation         [ neil crowley <og@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:30:10 -0400
    From: "Tom Barnett" <barnettl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Old Time - Stereo????

    [Forgive me if this has been covered before.]

    But I remember my Great Grandfather telling me of days when (at the
    beginning of Television) radio was used to add dimension to television
    sound.

    The stereo effect was achieved by broadcasting one channel as part of the
    television feed - and the second channel was sent out over radio. If you sat
    your radio set near the TV you could here the (then) truly amazing sound
    spectrum and separation (as much  as possible with the low fidelity
    speakers)

    My question is two-fold:

    a) is this true (or was Pappy fibbing again)?

    and

    b) Would a broadcast station turn over their airwaves to be a symmetrical
    leg to television?

    Maybe part time (evenings?) but I don't think a station would broadcast in
    this manner all day long, would they?

    Type to you,

    Tom Barnett  MCP, HCP, HCI
    barnettl@[removed]
    \[removed]~barnettl

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    Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:40:43 -0400
    From: "Tom Barnett" <barnettl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Schaub-Lorenz Radio

    My Grandfather (77 yo) gave me his beloved radio the other day. He always
    enjoyed listening to this radio AND IT STILL WORKS FINE! A little static on
    the volume dial but other than its all right.

    This radio is a large table top unit called the "Schaub-Lorenz" Radio. The
    instruction manual (carefully preserved in an envelope taped to the back of
    the radio with a single repair slip from the late 1950s or early 1960s) is
    half in German and English.

    My question to the group of esteemed classic radio devotees in this forum.
    Do I have something that was in use during the BIG era of classic radio. Or
    is this unit from the late 1950s (after that nasty TV entered the scene)

    I don't know much about this radio and my Grandfather can't remember any
    longer. Any help would be appreciated.

    Tom Barnett  MCP, HCP, HCI
    barnettl@[removed]

    \[removed]~barnettl

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    Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:44:08 -0400
    From: Richard Carpenter <sinatra@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WJZ

       Catching up with a week's worth of OTR Digests, I find a couple of
    references to station WJZ in New York City. Those call letters received an
    immortality of sorts by being mentioned in the song "Jumpin' with Symphony
    Sid," a paean to the disc jockey who broadcast jazz over WJZ. The song urges
    Sid to "make everything go real crazy over 'JZ" and that he did. Sid used the
    King Pleasure recording of that song as his theme even when he moved to
    Boston and broadcast over WBMS. I can't remember for sure but he may even
    have used it on his rhythm 'n' blues show as well as his jazz program in the
    Hub.

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    Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:44:27 -0400
    From: BRC Productions <platecap@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Jim Snyder and NARA News

    Hi [removed]

    I wanted to add my thanks for the work of Jim Snyder and the other NARA
    officers who made it happen.  Jim invited me on as columnist when he first
    became editor.  Having been a long time friend and fan of his columns going
    back 25 years -- I was both honored and compelled to become a
    [removed] considered him the Paul Harvey of OTR writers: A real class
    guy.  And when Jim invited you to write a column, you do it!  Yes, Jim
    received his Allen Rockford Award primarily for his columns alone.

    I always said both publicly and privately, the cost of yearly membership
    alone was worth it just to get NARA News.

    Through my NARA columns and resulting feedback, my interest in OTR was
    maintained.  He still has a few of my columns in reserve, and if the
    publication continues, I guess they will appear.  But the real reason they
    showed up in NARA News is because of Jim's encouragement.

    My columns including the unpublished ones will continue to be available on
    [removed]

    If I have written anything anyone was interested in and/or entertained by,
    at least I was partially successful.  Perhaps it's the end of an era, and
    hopefully the start of a new one.

    Thanks again, Mr. Snyder.

    Bob Burnham
    --
    BRC PRODUCTIONS, [removed] BOX 158, DEARBORN HEIGHTS, MI 48127-0158

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    Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:44:32 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  A&A 1932 Episode Summaries Now on Line

    "Amos 'n' Andy" enthusiasts will now find complete plot summaries for
    episodes aired during 1932 at the "A&A -The First Decade" section of my
    "Amos 'n' Andy In Person" website.

    While the A&A craze was cooling off during 1932, there were a number of
    interesting storylines, including the recently-discussed Baby Lula May
    sequence, Lightning's wedding to Dixie Davis, the opening of the Okey
    Hotel, Andy's dabbling in athletic careers as a professional wrestler, a
    track-and-field  performer, and a semipro football player, the resolution
    of Madam Queen's questionable marital status, and the Clifton Mills
    Affair -- in which Amos is asked by Mr. Taylor to break off his
    relationship with Ruby in favor of a more successful and polished suitor.

    Summaries for 1933 are in the course of preparation, and will probably be
    ready for posting sometime in November.

    The URL for the plot summaries remains
    [removed]~[removed].

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:25:52 -0400
    From: "Frosty R. Povick" <Frosty@[removed];
    To: OTR Rountable <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  MEREDITH MACRAE

    Don Dean wrote:

    "Also appearing on that same show was Meredith Macrae (wife of
    Gordon Macrae)..."

    Actually Meredith was the name of his daughter.  Trying to
    remember his wife's name.  Wasn't it Sheila?

    frosty

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:29:55 -0400
    From: John Francis MacEachern <johnfmac@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Imagination Theater

    Hi!

    I've been unable to access the web site for Imagination
    Theater for a while now.  Does anyone know what the problem
    is?

    Thanks!

    John Mac

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:30:16 -0400
    From: "Robert Paine" <macandrew@[removed];
    To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Reality, Transmitters and ?

    Re: Michael Biel's experience being booed when he pointed out truths that
    many wished not to have spoken, being right often means being unpopular.
    However, it takes more courage to stand for what is right than to court
    popularity. I compliment Prof. Biel for having the intestinal fortitude to
    choose the former.

    Re: [removed] the spring of 1987 I had two opportunities to visit
    WKAT-AM, then located in Miami Beach. The station had been on the air since
    1937, was still in its original building and had its original transmitter on
    display near Master Control. (The studio area had been renovated but still
    gave the feel of the 30's and 40's. More on this another time, perhaps.)

    The unit was in open metal racks behind a roughly six or seven foot window.
    It was still in working condition, still wired up and still used as the
    standby transmitter.

    BTW, the then GM's or PD's office had a beautiful mural that depicted
    important dates in WKAT history. I don't know what became of it when they
    moved to North Miami, but this had to be seen to be believed. I took two
    rolls of film, but didn't know until I returned to Maryland and had it
    processed that somewhere something went amiss. Not one shot developed.

     Macandrew

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:36:24 -0400
    From: "Harold Zeigler" <hzeigler@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  KMOX

    	Hi Anybody,
         On the subject on OTR on KMOX  today is I think they run (at 2:00 [removed])
    "When Radio Was" which I don't think is to good to listen to the way the
    shows are cut up and shortened to fit the half hour but that's ' NEW OTR' I
    guess.
        That was good news on Jack Carney being put in the Radio Hall Of Fame. Is
    that the one in Chicago? And when did it happen?
       Jack's son John Carney is with KMOX now on around 10:00 [removed] nightly.
    John's kind of radio program is for the younger(20's to 40's) listeners. Too
    bad,but he's good for his age group>
    				Till Next Time,Harold

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:33:19 -0400
    From: lois@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

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    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
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    KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
    KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
    and widow of actor Howard Culver

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:34:28 -0400
    From: Tom Kleinschmidt <otr1962@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Meredith MacRae / Archie Rothman

    	Iím sure others will correct Don Dean, but Meredith
    MacRae was Gordonís daughter, not his wife. His wifeís
    name was Sheila.

    	This talk about Long John Nebel introducing some
    people to OTR reminded me of Archie Rothman. Anyone
    know whatever became of him? Archie did a show on WMMS
    in Cleveland in the mid to late 1970ís called Archie
    Rothmanís Time Machine. On the show he did a little of
    everything. Mostly he replayed older stuff, but he
    also did some interviews with rock performers,
    possibly because of the radio station in question.  I
    remember hearing The National Lampoon Radio Hour,
    Firesign Theatre, and Jack Benny among others on this
    show.  A few years ago at FOTR in Newark I picked up
    an old reel tape with a show called SOUNDS OF THE PAST
    from WRFM, NY in 1967 that was hosted by Archie
    Rothman so I guess he moved around like all DJís.  The
    show on the reel was a Halloween show with a
    rebroadcast of War Of The Worlds and Sorry, Wrong
    Number along with an interview of the infamous David
    Goldin. Just wondering if anyone else used to listen
    to his shows.

    Tom

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:34:41 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Then and There

    Speaking of fake "historical" recordings, Michael Biel notes,

>     BUT--since we are discussing this on an OTR forum, let us not let OTR
>     off the hook.  Remember "The March of Time" and "CBS/You Are There"?

    Well, I think that "You Are There" was a special case.  The show started
    with, "CBS asks you to imagine that our microphone is present at this
    unforgettable moment.  All things are as they were then, except, when CBS
    is there, YOU are there!"  Now I doubt many people think that there were
    really microphones at Gettysburg, Valley Forge, and the like.  I know
    when I heard it as a kid, I didn't think those were actual recordings (in
    that respect, The Lone Ranger was more credible as a "sounds from the
    past" than You Are There).

    Of course, if someone tuned in late because they were seeing what else
    was on if they were listening to another program where a vocalist like
    Nelson Eddy was about to sing. ... :-)

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:45:40 -0400
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Koss CDP-3000 CD--update

    Sunday I posted a glowing review of the Koss CDP-3000, on sale this week
    at Target for $[removed]  I recommended it after I bought it and it worked
    fine with the first MP3 CD I tried (a Vic and Sade CD with 149 programs
    on it).

    I have since received several emails from readers who bought the player
    on my recommendation, and it did not work with their MP3 CDs.

    I then tried several other CDs in my player, and the results were spotty.
     It played some but would not work with others.  And on many, it would
    play some but not all cuts.

    I apologize for writing an enthusiastic review without fully testing the
    unit on a variety of CDs.  After my new tests I would have to say that I
    cannot recommend this machine after all.  Apologies to all who bought it
    on my recommendation.  I really thought I had something there.

    At least Target takes returns without a hassle (as long as you have your
    receipt!)

    And the search continues for an MP3 CD player that can handle our OTR
    CDs.

    ---Dan

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:03:21 -0400
    From: Tom van der Voort <evan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Station Security: The Gleiwitz Incident

          Recent posting on wartime security at radio stations reminded me of
    the fact that the Germans trumped up a Polish raid on a radio station as
    one pretext for the invasion of Poland.
          Contemporary accounts of the "raid" on the radio station at
    Gleiwitz  exist on English language transmissions by German and Italian
    shortwave services as well as a BBC newscast--all from August 31, 1939.
          Finally the East German director, Gerhard Klein, made a film titled
    'The Gleiwitz Case' ('Der Fall Gleiwitz') which reconstructs the
    pseudo-raid.  Though rarely seen, it was made in 1961 and exists with
    English subtitles.
    Tom van der Voort
    [removed]  Thanks to all who gave advice on water-damaged tapes.

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:03:19 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RHAC

    I was fortunate to have very good service from the NARA library.  I consider
    them in having one of the top three club lending library for nation wide
    use.  I agree that SPERDVAC is up there, but I would like to mention RHAC,
    which has a grate library, and very good service.  I hope any of the old
    time radio clubs out there consider giving there collection to another club
    rather than donating it to a college, if they ever need to close down the
    club.  NARA

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:03:17 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Lux Radio Theater

    Does any one have good source in trying to buy the hard to find Lux Radio
    Theater shows.  I think I need around 200 shows to complete my collection.
    You can email me off list.  Take care,

    walden

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:52:52 -0400
    From: Kubelski@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Who's Alive & Who's Dead

    This is mildy off-topic, but there is a classic passage in Dan Jenkins' book
    "Life, It's Ownself," which was a sequel to the more widely known football
    comedy novel "Semi-Tough," in which decidedly un-pc oilman Big Ed Bookman is
    trying to figure out if Lucille Ball was still alive or not.

    He wanted to know "why there isn't a paper that let's you know who's still
    alive?" he asked.

    Funny that some twenty years later, it came true.

    At the time, Ms. Ball was still alive.

    Sean Dougherty
    Kubelski@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:33:44 -0400
    From: "schickedanz" <schickedanz@[removed];
    To: "Old-Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Pinkerton

    Hi, all.

    As a tangent to Stephen Kallis's reply about history in OTR shows and
    detective Alan Pinkerton in particular, I've listened to a Cavalcade of
    America show called "The Pinkerton Man."  Starring Lee Bowman, it aired Nov.
    18, 1946.

    Norm Schickedanz
    Elmhurst, IL

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:33:42 -0400
    From: Jack A French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Tokyo Rose

     For those of you who are interested in WW II radio propagandists, there is
    a web site devoted to Iva Toguri, aka "Tokyo Rose" or "Orphan Annie".
    Recently this site added on-line discusion on a BBS.

    If you want to learn more, go to:

    [removed]

    Jack French

    Editor: RADIO RECALL

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:33:40 -0400
    From: ktrek@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Water Damaged Tapes

    I talked to the Chemical Hygienist where I work about
    damaged tapes. He said that he cannot see any reason why
    there would be any damage to the tapes if they were
    dried out properly. It is more likely the mechanical
    parts would fail (from rust etc.) before the tape is
    unlistenable. The only problem he could see is if the
    water was too hard and left residue on the tapes. Hope
    this helps. I don't think you need to waste money on a
    professional restorer. The best thing to do would be to
    copy the material to fresh tapes just in case a problem
    does develop in the future.
    Kevin

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:33:38 -0400
    From: Arthur Smith <agsmith_stl@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: KMOX and a question

    Hello again,
    As a St. Louis inhabitant, I, also was re-introduced
    to OTR through Jack Carney's Saturday [removed] and Sunday
    [removed] shows. Now is when my old fuzzy memory may be
    playing tricks on me. I seem to remember a (possibly
    Suspense) show starring Jimmy Stewart that was very
    good, and I don't remember much about it. Did Jimmy
    Stewart do any Suspense (or similar) shows. If so, any
    info would be [removed]

    Art from St. Louis (where John Carney (Jack's son) is
    currently heard on KMOX, no OTR, but he is entertaining)

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    Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:34:26 -0400
    From: neil crowley <og@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The persistence of stagnation

>     From: "Doug Leary" <dleary@[removed];
>     Subject:  What is reality?

>     It has been said that religious paintings of the middle ages depicted
>     biblical characters as contemporary, not ancient people, because few people
>     of the middle ages had any real sense of history. Technology and culture had
>     stagnated for so long ...

    Any teacher trying to train novice historians will tell you the hardest
    lesson is getting them to see the past without filtering it through the
    present. Despite modern education, we would have as much difficulty truly
    understanding the people of the Middle Ages as a medieval farmer may have
    had understanding the ancients. (By the way, would ordinary people in the
    Middle Ages ever see "religious paintings"; stained glass windows, statues,
    perhaps a painted altarpiece, rarely a book of hours - paintings came later.)

    There's a low-budget comedy/quiz show on tv called "Street Smarts", sort of
    an extended version of Jay Leno's fool-in-the-street quizzes. The
    contestants are obviously screened for personality rather than breadth of
    knowledge but they're not atypical. The "sense of history" demonstrated by
    these 21st century people doesn't seem markedly improved from that of their
    less schooled forebears. When asked to date the Battle of Gettysburg one
    gainfully employed youth supposed it happened about 1918. He further
    surmised that the combatants were Gettysburg and Israel and assured the
    quizmaster that "the Gettysburgs" won. A sense of history is about as
    common in contemporary America as sky blue grapes.

    Ask some of your friends who came first - Mozart or Shakespeare, Mozart or
    Beethoven, and, if they're young, Mozart or Einstein. Be careful. It's a
    good way to lose friends.

    The common man of the Middle Ages was probably no different in his sense of
    history than his ancestors and us, his heirs. We all get it wrong. But what
    he lacked in book learning was counterbalanced with an extensive practical
    knowledge. I wonder if our scales are nearly as level.

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