Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #212
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 5/24/2003 9:28 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 212
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Transatlantic Murder Mystery and oth  [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Encyclopedia of OTR                   [ lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed]; ]
      Re: Marian Seldes                     [ "RW" <bickersons@[removed]; ]
      Re: Marian Seldes Photographs         [ Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed] ]
      Existing intact Inner Sanctum, liste  [ Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed] ]
      Soaps on radio AND on TV              [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      Re: Soaps on Radio                    [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]

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    Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 23:25:13 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Transatlantic Murder Mystery and others

    Paul Engler asked about 4 Radio programs he has:

    These are definitely from the thirties because I know they were produced by
    Bruce Eells Productions via his Broadcasters Program Syndicate. He was the
    production company who also produced a 1932 series called POLICE HEADQUARTERS.

    I also thought that Eells was connected to the CINNAMON BEAR program. I
    know I have seen radio transcriptions identified as Bruce Eells
    transcriptions with regard to this program.

    Perhaps Mike Biel or Elizabeth could shed much more light on these early
    radio series.

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:54:54 -0400
    From: lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Encyclopedia of OTR

    FYI- [removed] is offering John Dunnings book
    Encyclopedia of OTR for only $[removed]  I think thats
    a great price compared to the full price I paid!  Just
    for your information.

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    Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:55:39 -0400
    From: "RW" <bickersons@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:  Marian Seldes
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    Google is a wonderful search engine for lots of things.  Go to
    [removed] on Images [removed] in Marian Seldes and up pops lots of
    pictures.

    Ruby

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    Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 01:55:33 -0400
    From: Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Marian Seldes Photographs

>     Harry asked: Will someone please email me a photo of this woman?  I am
>     "dying" to find out what she looks like.

    Two photos of Marian can be found at the Internet Movie Database:
     [removed],+Marian

    Gerry Wright
    ZoneZebra Productions
    San Francisco

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    Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 11:12:52 -0400
    From: Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Existing intact Inner Sanctum, listed by
     [removed]

    Bob Watson inquired:

>     Anyway, what I was really wanting to know was which
>     sponsor of INNER SANCTUM has the most shows intact.

    Now I realize that Martin G. has literally written the
    book on Inner Sanctum Mysteries, but since Bob says
    that he's got Martin's book and is still asking this
    question, allow me to step in and try to field this
    one. I've gone to great lengths to seek out all of the
    IS available to collectors. Then, I went one step
    further, and meticulously corrected titles and dates
    and weeded out the duplicates. I have determined that
    there are 139 separate episodes of the USA version of
    Inner Sanctum Mysteries in circulation and available
    to determined collectors such as myself.

    Carter's Little Liver Pills "The best friend to your
    sunny disposition!" sponsored IS from 01-07-41 until
    08-29-43. The following 6 episodes which retain their
    original commercials are in circulation:

    IS 41-08-03 The Tell-Tale Heart - B. Karloff
    IS 41-08-10 The Death Ship
    IS 41-12-07 Island of Death
    IS 41-12-21 The Man from Yesterday - M. McCormack
    IS 42-01-18 Dead Reckoning - A. Vincent
    IS 43-03-07 The Black Seagull - P. Lorre

    Colgate/Palmolive "More men use Palmolive than any
    other lather shaving cream." sponsored IS from
    09-04-43 until 12-27-44. The following 3 episodes
    which retain their original commercials are in
    circulation:

    IS 44-04-22 The Melody of Death - M. Astor.
    IS 44-05-13 The Silent Hands - M. Astor
    IS 44-11-29 Voice on the Wire - L. Woods

    Lipton Tea and Lipton Soup "Try it for yourself!"
    sponsored IS from 01-02-45 until 06-18-46. The
    following 34 episodes which retain their original
    commercials are in circulation:

    IS 45-01-23 Death Is An Artist - L. Bowman
    IS 45-02-06 Death In The Depths - S. Ortega
    IS 45-02-20 No Coffin For The Dead - L. Tremayne
    IS 45-04-10 Bog Oak Necklace - M. Hopkins
    IS 45-04-17 The Judas Clock - B. Kroeger
    IS 45-04-24 Song of the Slasher - A. Moss
    IS 45-05-01 The Girl and the Gallows - W. Barrie
    IS 45-05-15 The Black Art - S. Simon
    IS 45-05-22 Dead to Rights - E. Eric
    IS 45-05-29 Musical Score - B. Kroeger
    IS 45-06-05 Death Across the Board - R. Massey
    IS 45-06-12 Portrait of Death - L. Woods
    IS 45-06-19 Deadman's Holiday - M. McCormack
    IS 45-08-28 Dead Man's Deal - L. Haines
    IS 45-09-04 The Murder Prophet - W. Barrie
    IS 45-09-18 Terror By Night - A. Shepherd
    IS 45-09-25 The Lonely Sleep - K. Swenson
    IS 45-10-02 The Shadow of Death - R. Widmark
    IS 45-10-09 Death by Scripture - S. Schnabel
    IS 45-10-16 Till Death Do Us Part - L. Haines
    IS 45-10-23 Corridor of Doom - B. Karloff
    IS 45-11-06 The Wailing Wall - B. Karloff
    IS 45-12-11 The Dark Chamber - K. Lynch
    IS 45-12-18 The Undead - A. Seymour
    IS 46-01-08 The Creeping Wall - I. Wicker
    IS 46-01-15 The Edge of Death - L. Haines
    IS 46-01-29 Blood of Cain - M. McCambridge
    IS 46-02-05 Skeleton Bay - B. Gerson
    IS 46-02-12 The Man Who Couldn't Die - R. Widmark
    IS 46-03-12 Strands of Death - S. Ortega
    IS 46-04-23 Make Ready My Grave - R. Widmark
    IS 46-05-07 You Could Die Laughing - S. Ortega
    IS 46-05-21 Detour to Terror - M. Adams
    IS 46-06-04 Eight Steps to Murder - B. Kroeger

    Bromo Seltzer (Emerson Drug Co.)"Fights headaches 3
    ways!" sponsored IS from 07-29-46 until 04-17-50. The
    following 9 episodes which retain their original
    commercials are in circulation:

    IS 46-08-19 Spectre of the Rose - B. Hecht
    IS 46-11-04 Death's Old Sweet Song - M. McCambridge
    IS 47-02-03 Death Bound - R. Widmark
    IS 47-10-27 Till Death Do Us Part
    IS 48-07-05 Death Demon - E. Sloan
    IS 48-08-02 The Murder Ship
    IS 49-09-12 The Vengeful Corpse - B. Weeks
    IS 50-01-30 Skeleton Bay - C. Holland
    IS 50-04-17 Beneficiary-Death - E. Sloan

    Mars Candy "The maker of all those good Mars candy
    bars" sponsored IS from Late 1950 until 06-18-51. The
    following 1 episode which retains it's original
    commercials is in circulation:

    IS 51-05-28 The Unforgiving Corpse - L. Van Rooten
    (Another 1/2 episode exists with Mars Candy
    commercials, but since Bob asked about intact shows,
    it is not listed here.)

    Pearson Pharmaceutical "High potency Ennds, America's
    most popular, truly effective chlorophyll tablets."
    sponsored IS from 06-22-52 until 10-05-52. The
    following 1 episode which retains it's original
    commercials is in circulation:

    IS 52-08-24 No Rest for the Dead - E. Sloan

    So the final score is as follows:
    Lipton Tea and Lipton Soup 34 eps. (24%)
    Bromo Seltzer (Emerson Drug Co.) 9 eps. (6%)
    Carter's Little Liver Pills 6 eps. (4%)
    Colgate/Palmolive 3 eps. (2%)
    Mars Candy 1 ep. (<1%)
    Pearson Pharmaceutical 1 ep. (<1%)

    Please note: this means that slightly more than 60% of
    the 139 episodes I beleive to be available to the
    common collector have no commercial content and are
    presumably AFRS recordings of one sort or another.

    Allow me to make one last statement in this already
    overly long tome'. I know that there are many out
    there who will insist that they have more than 139
    episodes of IS in their collection. My IS collection
    did too, before I weeded out the duplicates I found
    under alternate titles or incorrect dates. Since new
    discoveries are always coming to light, I'm not really
    interested in defending my total number of 139. If 139
    is correct today, it probably won't be next month or
    next year. So if you're convinced that 139 is wrong,
    let's just agree to disagree on that point and not
    debate it here in the digest.

    -FIBBERMAC-

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    Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 11:20:17 -0400
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Soaps on radio AND on TV

    Mark J. Cuccia wrote about soap operas that overlapped on radio & on TV.
    He says

>     But there were a few that had an overlap of live radio and live
>     TV in the early 1950s. I understand that the actors assembled twice each
>     day, once to do a live radio performance and another time to do a live TV
>     performance, but more-or-less with the same script and storyline each day.

    A memory that sticks in my mind from when I was a kid is of a television
    soap that my mother watched. Maybe it was one of those "two-a-day"
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    What struck me was that the "rooms" that the people on the television moved
    around in didn't have solid walls: The walls were framed in 2X4's, and the
    doors were, too - the "empty" doors moved on hinges attached to "empty"
    walls. There were pictures on the "walls", but they hung by wires from the
    2X4 "ceiling". The actors treated these fake rooms as if they were real
    houses - standing outside the "doors" before they are allowed in to the
    "apartments" as if they couldn't see and hear everything that the occupants
    are up to "inside".
    I don't know what the show was, but it disappointed me: I guess I was part
    of the "bridge" generation between radio and television, but I was used to
    listening to the radio shows and building pictures in my mind of what the
    rooms looked like; when I watched television I expected to see complete
    rooms on the screen. This "half-and-half" stuff on daytime TV didn't cut it.
    Anybody know what soap opera(s) I'm talking about, and why they were
    produced that way?

    Just curious,
    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 11:20:32 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Soaps on Radio

    On 5/23/03 11:07 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     In the 1930s and early 1940s, there were several instances of a soap
>     being aired on SEVERAL networks during the same overall timeframe. I think
>     that these were all separate performances each day, although using hte
>     same story-line and script, and from each respective network's studio.
>     But the sponsor (usually Proctor & Gamble, but also General Mills and
>     others) owned these programs and were buying time on whatever networks
>     they could get time sold to them! Both the networks and the sponsors were
>     doing whatever they could to "make money" -- the networks selling air
>     time, the sponsors trying to sell their wares!

    And let's not forget that *many* daytime serials were extension spotted
    by recordings. *Most* Procter and Gamble programs were being distributed
    in this manner by the late 1930s -- recordings would be made and sent out
    to stations in markets where network clearance couldn't be obtained,
    under the auspicies of P&G's agency, Compton Advertising, and this
    practice remained commonplace well into the early 1950s. It is because of
    extension spotting that long runs of numerous P&G serials exist,
    including "The Goldbergs," "The Guiding Light," "Ma Perkins," and others.
    Extension spotting discs are also the source for most of the "Vic and
    Sade" episodes which survive. Union contracts prevented the inclusion of
    theme or bridge music on many of these recordings -- which explains the
    mysterious blank spots one encounters in listening to them today. The
    music was provided for each series on a separate disc, recorded under
    union approval by a musician paid specifically for this work,

    Most, if not all, of the daytime serials which were aired on Mutual on a
    supplemental basis in addition to airings on NBC or CBS were aired for
    these supplemental broadcasts by recordings, not thru additional live
    broadcasts. There was a lot of internal industry politics going on in the
    late thirties over who would be permitted to manufacture these recordings
    and how they could be used -- NBC, especially, did not care to have
    recordings made over its facilities used on another network.
    Mutual, of course, never had any prohibition on the use of recordings,
    and they were liberally used on the network from its inception.

    Elizabeth

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