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Date: 6/6/2004 4:18 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 192
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      CD FAILURES                           [ "mike kerezman" <PHILIPMARLOWE@peop ]
      When are the Southern Cal otr conven  [ Mike Thomas <calvetrecept@[removed] ]
      THE BIG SLEEP and SPADE               [ "mike kerezman" <PHILIPMARLOWE@peop ]
      Radio To Comics                       [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Re: Cincy Convention                  [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      Robert St. John                       [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      Radio to Comics                       [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      The Whistler                          [ BH <radiobill@[removed]; ]
      Why is OTR and Radio History importa  [ "mike kerezman" <PHILIPMARLOWE@peop ]
      Keaton singing, radio                 [ "Clifton Martin" <MARTBART@peoplepc ]
      6-7 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      A Message Of Interest To The Digest   [ David Siegel <otrdsiegel@[removed] ]
      Spade is not Marlowe                  [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:01:40 -0400
    From: "mike kerezman" <PHILIPMARLOWE@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  CD FAILURES

    I recently had a CD of otr in mp3 fail so to speak. Th disk in question was
    generic brand called DURABRAND which according to NERO Toolkit was burned on
    March 25 2002. I have recently used this cd in last six months so I know it
    olnly failed [removed] type CD by Durabrand comes with a label pressed
    [removed] I can still see a file listing of the CD but I'm unable to access the
    files or copy them to my hard disk. I am grateful I stop using Generic brand
    cds a long time ago. I just wanted pass this along.

    Mike Kerezman
    Macomb, OK

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:52:35 -0400
    From: Mike Thomas <calvetrecept@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  When are the Southern Cal otr conventions?
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    Are there otr conventions in southern cal at any time during the year??? Any
    in Anaheim or Long Beach???Thanks!!!

    Mike And Ernestine Thomas

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:54:09 -0400
    From: "mike kerezman" <PHILIPMARLOWE@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  THE BIG SLEEP and SPADE

    Someone wrote:

> > >     (Personally, I disagree because Spade was based in San Francisco, and
> > >     Cypress Canyon is very clearly set near LA.)

>     Sam Spade WAS  in Los Angles!  The novel by Raymond Chandler THE BIG SLEEP.

>     All or most of the shootings (killings) were in a house in Cypress Canyon.
>     The Big Sleep is one of my favorites.  The movie stared Humphrey Bogart and
>     L. Bacal.  The second  Movie, Big Sleep, was filmed in GB and stared Robert
>     Mitchum and James Stuwart.  I should think the version from LA was most
>     likely broadcast with authorization  of the author or and the producer?

    Sam Spade first appeared in the novel THE MALTESE FALCON and subsequently in
    three short stories written by Dashiel Hammett. The Radio show was adapted
    from the characterization in these. Chapter 2 of THE MALTESE FALCON clarly
    indicates the setting is San Francisco in several places:

    "...Spade paid his fare amd left the taxicab. San francisco's night-fog ,
    thin, clammy, and penetrant, blurred the Street." (THE MALTESE FALCON, Taken
    from FIVE COMPLETE NOVELS of Dasheil Hammett,, [removed])

    THE BIG SLEEP (1939) written by Raymond Chandler featured the other
    Detective Philip Marlowe who was set in Los Angelas. The confusion stems
    from the fact that the movie version of THE BIG SLEEP has Marlowe being
    played by Humphrey Bogart who also played Spade in THE MALTESE FALCON.
    However, in the the Howard Hawks film THE BIG SLEEP is easy to see that its
    set in [removed]  The fact is Spade was San francisco both in the orignal book by
    HAMMETT and the Radio [removed] see no reason why just because Spade is based
    in San Francisco that he has to stay there on every case. The Philip Marlowe
    show starring Gerald Mohr had show where Marlowe stumbles upon  Murder while
    his car is put into a ditch by Winter storm. He obviously outside of [removed]
    There another one where he's forced to drive a crook toward Mexico in
    Southern California.

    Mike Kerezman
    Macomb, OK

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:54:33 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio To Comics

    Allen Wilcox asks,

>     Okay now. For the past several digest there have been disscusions on
>     comic inspired radio shows. But now lets name shows that were radio
>     programs and then moved to comics. I will start off by naming three that
>     I know of. "The Lone Ranger", "The Green Hornet" and "The Saint. Any
>     others?

    Well, depending upon how loosely one accepts transitions, there was
    Captain Midnight.  The Fawcett comic book, which ran into the 1950s, was
    extremely different from the radio program, with the title character as a
    costumed superhero who "flew" using membranes from the arms attached the
    side of his uniform like unto the gliding surfaces of a Flying Squirrel.
    He also had a heat-ray device called as a "doom beam" that projected a
    clock face with the hands at 12:00.  The radio show was far different
    with the hero an aviator who headed a government funded paramilitary
    organization.

    Anthony Tollin can say more about The Shadow than I, but I believe it was
    on the radio before becoming a Street & Smith comic book.  The comic
    apparently derived from the radio show, because in it, The Shadow was
    effectively invisible.

    There was a Jack Armstrong comic book, as memory serves.  This obviously
    derived from the show.  I never read that one.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:55:00 -0400
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Cincy Convention

    Jerry, you just missed it--it's in late April every year.

    I have several reports and photos on my web site--just scroll down to the
    Cincy Convention links:

    [removed]~dan/

    ---Dan

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:55:53 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Robert St. John

>     Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2004 12:05:47 -0400
>     From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];

>     NBC had some excellent radio reporters in Max Jordan, Fred Bate, [removed]
>     Kaltenborn (formerly CBS), Robert St. John (was anybody aware he lived to
>     102 years and was a declared pacifist?),

    Up until just now, the only thing I knew about him was that he was the author of a biography
    of Israel's first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion. It did seem rather incongruous to see, in
    my high school library, the spine of the book, reading "Ben Gurion  by St. John"

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:55:46 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio to Comics

>     But now lets name shows that were radio
>     programs and then moved to comics.

    "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar"  A comic book episode of Johnny Dollar was
    issued just last year from one of the smaller comics publishers.

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:56:13 -0400
    From: BH <radiobill@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Whistler

    Barbara asked about  The Whistler:

>     Does anybody know who the actor is that portrays the Whistler in the early
>     CBS shows? As there may be more than one, I'd like to know who plays him in
>     the months of May and June 1943. It has been speculated that Gale Gordon and
>     Joseph Kearns were early Whistlers, but I don't believe it is either of them
>     in these particular broadcasts. Could it be Howard Culver? I've never seen a
>     suggestion that it is, but it sounds like him.

    According to The Big Broadcast by Frank Buxton and Bill Own, Bill Forman
    played the part in the original version on CBS with Marvin Miller as the
    announcer, and says  that  Miller played the part for six months while
    Forman served in the Army (no dates given). Everett Clarke is also
    listed as playing the part. There is no mention of Gale Gordon or Joseph
    Kearns as George Aust mentions, so can't comment about that.

    Bill H.

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 00:56:54 -0400
    From: "mike kerezman" <PHILIPMARLOWE@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Why is OTR and Radio History important

    I just say I've noticed a difference in "Reading ability". I am far from
    being an expert, but I have a humble [removed] noticed occassionally a
    tendency in newer Radio drama efforts to 'overact' sometimes. I can quite
    put my finger on it. I like the drama that BBC still does. I've been
    listening to the BBC series of Sherlock Holmes which is quite good and
    faithful. However, in one show I listened too recently one supporting actor
    appeared this way to me as if they were merely reading their lines or being
    overly [removed], Clyde Merrison and Michael Williams, the
    leads carried the show quite well. I've also noticed a few times on the CBS
    Radio Mystery Theater some melodramatic dialogue in context of male - female
    relationships. All this is minor to me however.
     One would never have suspected that Mr Dillion was in fact Bill Conrad
    reading a marked up John Meston script from the table and wasn't actually
    engaged in the fight in the Long Branch but two sound men [removed] one
    must be careful to separate in ones mind critiquing the performance and not
    purely nostaglizing the Old ones and thereby being overly critical of newer
    [removed] for one feel hoever, that the High-Adventure series ESCAPE
    (1947-1954) will never be surpassed.

    Mike Kerezman
    Macomb, Ok

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:22:43 -0400
    From: "Clifton Martin" <MARTBART@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Keaton singing, radio

    The Damfinos, International Buster Keaton Society, can tell you more about
    Buster and everything he did than you would want to know.  They have their
    annual convention in my
    town, Muskegon, Michigan, where Buster had a summer home.
    [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:22:51 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  6-7 births/deaths

    June 7th births

    06-07-1891 - Alois Havrilla - Pressov, Hungary - d. 12-7-1952
    announcer: "Campbell Soup Orchestra"; "Jack Benny Program"
    06-07-1896 - Hope Summer - Mattoon, IL - d. 6-22-1979
    actress: Clara "Girl Alone"
    06-07-1903 - Glen Gray - Metamora, IL - d. 8-23-1963
    bandleader: "Camel Caravan"
    06-07-1903 - Joseph Kahn - NYC - d. 9-3-1998
    pianist: "Voice of Firestone"; "Story of Mary Marlin"
    06-07-1908 - Clarence Straight - d. 6-21-1988
    actor: Rags the Dog "Those We Love"
    06-07-1909 - Jessica Tandy - London, England - d. 9-11-1994
    actress: Liz Marriott "Marriage"; Mildred Rogers "Of Human Bondage"
    06-07-1911 - Stanley Unwin - Pretoria, South Africa - d. 1-12-2002
    sound engineer, commentator: British Broadcasting Corporation
    06-07-1913 - Tom Collins - Chicago, IL - d. 6-17-1973
    actor: Chandu "Chandu the Magician"; Nicholas Lacey "One Man's Family"
    06-07-1917 - Dean Martin - Steubenville, OH - d. 12-25-1995
    singer, comedian: "Martin and Lewis Show"
    06-07-1926 - Dick Williams - Wall Lake, IA
    singer: (The Williams Brothers) "Bing Crosby Show"
    06-07-1934 - Beverly Wills - CA - d. 10-24-1963
    actress: Fluffy Adams "Junior Miss"

    June 7th deaths

    01-03-1898 - Zasu Pitts - Parsons, KS - d. 6-7-1963
    comedienne: "Lum and Abner"; "Tommy Riggs and Betty Lou"
    01-23-1907 - Dan Duryea - White Plains, NY - d. 6-7-1968
    actor: Lou Dana "Man from Homicide"
    03-03-1911 - Jean Harlow - Kansas City, MO - d. 6-7-1937
    actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    05-30-1906 - Norris Goff - Cove, AR - d. 6-7-1978
    actor: Abner Peabody "Lum and Abner"
    06-21-1922 - Judy Holliday - NYC - d. 6-7-1965
    actress: "Big Show"
    08-15-1910 - Signe Hasso - Stockholm, Sweden - d. 6-7-2002
    actress: "Charlie McCarthy Show"; "Hollywood Star Time"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    08-22-1893 - Dorothy Parker - West End, NJ - d. 6-7-1967
    author, panelist: "Author, Author"; "Information Please"
    10-19-1918 - Bob Sweeney - San Francisco, CA - d. 6-7-1992
    actor: "Sweeney and March"; "Sara's Private Caper"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    For a complete list:
    [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 11:23:30 -0400
    From: David Siegel <otrdsiegel@[removed];
    To: "DIGEST, Postings" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  A Message Of Interest To The Digest

    From: Evelyn Walters <ewaltersfl@[removed];
    Subject: audio tapes
    To: otrdsiegel@[removed]

    Dear Mr. SiegeI

    I have forty-eight reels of Lum and Abner in excellent sound.  These are on
    7"reels and are recorded on 1/4track.  This collection was my husbands who
    passed away.  I would like to offer them for sale to someone who would
    enjoy them.  I am asking $[removed] per reel, or $[removed] per reel if someone would
    like to purchase the entire collection.  I also have copies of the Society
    newletters and pictures.

    Mr. J. Hickerson suggested that I write you.  Perhaps you know of someone
    who would be interestedin buying them.  My name and address is Evelyn
    Walters, 141 Chicory Ave. NE, Palm Bay, FL 32907.  My e-mail address is
    <mailto:ewaltersfl@[removed];ewaltersfl@[removed].

    Sincerely,

    Evelyn Walter

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    Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2004 15:49:53 -0400
    From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Spade is not Marlowe

    Awful E remarked:

>     Sam Spade WAS  in Los Angles!  The novel by Raymond
>     Chandler THE BIG SLEEP.

    Awful is confusing Sam Spade (written by Dashiell
    Hammett; first appearance in The Maltese Falcon,
    serialized in Black Mask in 1929, before being
    reprinted as a stand-alone novel in 1930; Spade later
    appeared in 3 short stories) with Philip Marlowe
    (written by Raymond Chandler; first appearance in The
    Big Sleep in 1939; followed up by six 1/3 novels and a
    handful of short stories; three of the novels are
    cannibalized from pre-Marlowe pulp stories, and
    several of the short stories that were publisbed in
    books as Marlowe adventure were originally published
    pre-Marlowe, with a different protagonist).

    All of the Spade tales are set in San Francisco. All
    of the Marlowe stories are set in, or within a day's
    drive of, LA. (Two of the novels have siginificant
    portions set in nearby Bay City.) I think one of the
    pre-Marlowe stories that was re-worked to feature
    Marlowe has him flying to Alaska as well. (But my
    memory may be misleading me. I'm currently reading the
    original version of the stories--they've been
    collected together in one giant volume--and the
    details of which ones were republished to feature
    Marlowe later escape me right now.)

    Kermyt

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