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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 473

Table Of Contents: 

	 Re: Captain Star of Space
	 new member
	 Last JAck Benny Episode
	 Re: The Shadow in Print
	 Re: Vitaphone
	 Irving Gordon / Who's On First
	 WWI and WWII names
	 World War I, World War II
	 Huckleberry Finn
	 World War II
	 X Minus One/The Rocket
	 BBC War of the Worlds

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 14:15:31 GMT
From: hbj@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Captain Star of Space
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

My mail reader tends to kill some addresses, so appologies for not
referring directly to original poster.
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   >Date: Mon, 02 Dec 1996 19:28:40 -0500
   >Does anyone else recall hearing this sci-fi drama series in the
   >early 50s?   I've never seen or heard it since.   It was a little
   >like Star Trek for radio, but without quite such philsophical depth.
Yes, I really enjoyed it.
I have a couple from somewhere, but none of the ones that I remember
hearing.
Interestingly enough, the sound effects sounded like those used for
Space Patrol.
Wonder if there was some colaboration.
I remember one eeisode where Bozo the Cloun fell through a time warp,
and finished up in the future.
Another where the crew of Captain Star's ship had to check out an
android production facility, and needed to pretend to be androids.
Real interesting stuff back then.

Regards


Henry Brugsch
using flint knives and bear skins

Net-Tamer V [removed] - Test Drive

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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 10:03:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Aaron H Mintz <ahmintz@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: new member
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Just started receiving OTR digest and an enjoying it a lot. Didnt grow up 
with OTR,at age 50, I just missed it. My collection of OTR is mostly from
tapes borrowed from the North American Radio Archives and is mostly standard
stuff. I have a few and am interested always in trading for unusual 
shows,sports,news,documentaries and special affairs programs.
I also collect and trade for the following from the generation,1950-1969:

Top 40 radio airchecks and record surveys
TV Shows
Basketball or baseball games on radio or TV
45 rpm records

I have worked in local radio since the early 80's playing the music of the
40's thru 60's from country to pop to R&R. I hae failed miserably trying to
get a local station to program a small block of OTR a week,even for an hour.

I look forward to getting this emailed digest and hopefully I'll find 
something to contribute.

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 09:15:59 -0600 ()
From: Bruce Toews <toews@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Last JAck Benny Episode
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The quick way to tell which version of the last Benny episode you have is
with the commercials at the beginning and end. The non-air version (at
least, the copy of it whih I have) doesn't start with a commercial, and
the closing commercial is just read by Don live with no music. The
broadcast version has, at the beginning and end, a commercial with the
little "light up a lucky, it's light-up time" jingle in it. The other way
of recognizing it, of course, is that the broadcast episode uses Mary's
voice and is SLIGHTLY edited. I was surprised at how much interest this
episode generated.

Bruce

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:02:37 -0500
From: LBohall@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: The Shadow in Print
Message-ID: <961206110236_2050430616@[removed]>

I am interested in obtaining copies of any of the Shadow books in print. I
know that they've not issued any new paperback editions since the late
70's/early 80'[removed] I don't know when the last hardcover editions were
released. Anyone with any info regarding them, or where I could secure copies
of them, would be great appreciated! Thanks! LBohall<><

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 11:27:13 -0500
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
cc: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Vitaphone
Message-ID: <961206112712_1454719445@[removed]>

My friend Phil Serling, President of the Syracuse Cinefile Society, sez you
should write Robert Gitt, Preservation Officer: Film & TV Archives UCLA, for
Vitaphone information (the Vitaphone Archives are there). 

BILL KNOWLTON

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 12:38:39 -0500
From: Bigkids@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Irving Gordon / Who's On First
Message-ID: <961206123839_1487653308@[removed]>

Like many others, I was astonished, upon hearing Irving's Gordon's obit (on
the radio, by the way), to "learn" that he had written "Who's On First?"

I'd long had the impression, based mainly on bio's of Abbot & Costello, that
the majority of their famous shticks were traditional vaudeville and/or
burlesque routines, polished up (and frequently cleaned up) for radio and/or
motion picture audiences. I can't imagine Irving Gordon just sitting down and
inventing that great routine, and walking into Bud's and/or Lou's office the
next day with a stack of yellow paper and saying, "I've come up here to pitch
a little skit for you boys, why don't you read it and see how it strikes
you."

"Who's On First?" very likely started out as a simple misunderstanding when a
couple of vaudevillians were *really* discussing baseball, sometime in the
1890's. They were bright enough to realize that they'd stumbled on a funny
bit, worked the thing up and put it into their act. There was little or no
copyright protection of such materials in those days. Other entertainers
glommed onto the shtick and elaborated on [removed]

(The above is my speculation, by the way -- I have no evidence that this is
what *actually* happened, but I think it's the most probable version.)

In fact, as recently as the 1970s, in a San Francisco nightspot called the
Magic Cellar (now regretably defunct), I heard a wonderfully innovative
adaptation of "Who's On First?" The performers were the Flying Karamazov
Brothers, fabulous jugglers. They delivered a brand-new and totally hilarious
version of "WOF" translated entirely into *Star Trek* references, all the
while tossing bowling balls, meat cleavers, flaming torches and pitchers of
flowers to each other, over the heads of the audience!

But this is not to criticize the late Irving Gordon or to demean his memory.
It's entirely conceivable that A&C used writers, including Gordon, and that
he "customized" "Who's On First" into its utterly unforgettable form, to meet
the specs of A&C.

Dick Lupoff

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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 12:59:31 -0600
From: Joe Mackey <wmackey@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: WWI and WWII names
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Richard asked:
 
> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 05:25:33 GMT
> From: Richard Weil <richrw@[removed]>
> Subject: World War I, World War II
 
> I, bur called it the "last war". My question is, when did people start
> referring to the wars as World War I and World War II? Thanks
 
  The way I understand it is thus:
  Until about 1942 the war from 1914-18 was referred to as "The Great
War" due to the land that it covered, the numbers involved, etc.
(Sometimes it was also referred to as "the world war".)
  Until 1942 there were basically two wars going on.  The Asian War
involving Japan and Asia (which began ca. 1931 with the invasion of
China, Korea, Manchuria, etc) and the European War which began with the
invansion of Poland by Germany in September 1939 which spread to the Low
Countries, France and the assault on Britian by 1941.
  With the US involved after Pearl Harbour, the war took on a world-wide
perspective, since the two different fronts became known as one war. 
Since The Great War was also a world-war, it was named WWI and the newer
war became WWII.
   Joe

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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 13:20:07 -0700
From: Chet Cox <CHCOX@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: World War I, World War II
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Richard Weil <richrw@[removed]> asks:
<<<In an episode of Gildersleeve from 1946 after the war was over, Gildy tells Leroy that he was in the "last war". He of course was referring to World War I, bur called it the "last war". My question is, when did people start referring to the wars as World War I and World War II? Thanks.>>>

Chet sez:  Had to be No Later Than 1942, because I have a news broadcast which refers to "the Second World War."  Have heard a show which was as early as 1940 (over a year before the USA's official entry into the War) using the same nomenclature, but haven't heard it for years and don't own it.  (Shoot, I don't even remember what it was!  *Might* have been a Superman episode.)





*jeep!
~~~~Chet
Quote of the day:  "Save a little money each month and at the end of the year you'll be surprised at how little you have."
 ---Ernest Haskins

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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 18:31:22 -0500
From: Neubacher@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Huckleberry Finn
Message-ID: <961206183122_1186539125@[removed]>

     NBC University theater did Huckleberry Finn with Dean Stockwell in the
title role.  The local library has a copy in their books on tape section.

Bill Neubacher
NEUBACHER@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 20:48:09 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: World War II
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
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Richard Weil asks:
>In an episode of Gildersleeve from 1946 after the war was over, Gildy tells
>Leroy that he was in the "last war". He of course was referring to World War
>I, bur called it the "last war". My question is, when did people start
>referring to the wars as World War I and World War II? Thanks
>

As a post-wwii baby, I am sure others might be able to answer more
specifically, but I suspect the World War II phrase did not come into play
until a little after the end of the war. WWI was usually referred to as the
Great War and most of my news related broadcasts from the WWII period refer
to the current war as the Second World War when referencing it to the
previous war. Probably when placed into historical perspective it was
changed to World War II. To my knowledge no one at the time called it that,
but rather the former (Second World War).

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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 1996 20:48:12 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: X Minus One/The Rocket
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
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I have been sent a tape that someone asked me about that is being touted as
an unknown X Minus One story. The episode in question is called The Rocket
by Ray Bradbury. The tape I was sent is actually from an NBC Short Story
version. Someone has cleverly overdubbed the X Minus One closing theme
sounding somewhat, but not quite like Fred Collins with the "[removed]
Minus One has brought [removed] Rocket by Ray Bradbury." 

This is NOT an X Minus One episode. I am not sure where the overdub came
from (if anyone knows, I'd be interested), but the tape is coming from a
vendor formerly known as Yesterday's Radio in Washington. 

I've been asked about this twice and until I heard it, I could not comment
on it. 

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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 96 22:34:08 -0500
From: Gene Bauman <genepen@[removed]>
To: "OTR (Post)" <otr@[removed]>
Subject: BBC War of the Worlds
Message-Id: <04322744905087@[removed]>

-- [ From: Gene Bauman * [removed] #[removed] ] --

Hi-

I don't post often, and even this is belated, but I have to remark on the
excellence of the BBC War of the Worlds tapes that Michael Utz kindly sent
me about two weeks ago. The sound quality is super, and the cassettes are
VERY nicely labeled. THANKS to Michael and to Ken Greenwald for supplying
them!

Gene

--
                    Keep a good thought  -  Lash Larue



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