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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 453


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 new e-mail [removed]
	 Essential OTR
	 RE: The New Frank Thomas
	 Nero Wolfe clone
	 FESTIVAL OF CHRISTMAS PROGRAMMING
	 Vaudeville, Red Skelton and Jack Benny on TV
	 Old Time Radio re-issued
	 Blocks, Bergen, Benny, and Opinion Poll
	 Re: Fibber McGee and Molly
	 Re: Fibber and Molly
	 more otr shows dug up
	 Re: When Radio Was - Chicago
	 Too many answers!
	 Re: What the heck is RCI?!?

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Date: 15 Dec 95 12:04:53 EST
From: Ross & Corinne Learn <[removed]@[removed]>
To: Henry Brugsch <henry@[removed]>
Cc: "John J. Corrigan" <[removed]@[removed]>,
        OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed]>,
        Herbert Duniven <dunivenh@[removed]>,
        Andrew Emmerson <midshires@[removed]>,
        John Henley <jhenley@[removed]>,
        Brett Jensen <[removed]@[removed]>,
        Karis Vail Lynch <[removed]@[removed]>,
        Susan & Jim Martin <jsm@[removed]>,
        Gerry Poon <,GPOON@[removed]>,
        Joel  Senter <[removed]@[removed]>,
        Wendy Townsend <wtownsend@[removed]>
Subject: new e-mail [removed]
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

hi guys!

just a little [removed]   ross & corinne learn's new e-mail address [removed]
redfox@[removed]

although we can still be reached at this computserve address for the time being,
we prefer to start getting things changed over to the new address!

thanx
ross & corinne

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 12:59:00 -0600
From: bechtell@[removed] (Linwood G. Bechtel)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Essential OTR
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Bruce is RIGHT ! Most of us "oldtimers" really remember "Those thrilling 
days of yesteryear" on the Lone Ranger: and the Ivan Shark episodes of 
Captain Midnight: and the "faster than a speeding bullet" of Superman: and 
sitting down each evening from 5 to 6 (in Phila.) to listen to four thrill 
packed episodes. (along with a pencil just in case there was a ring or badge 
to order from Tom Mix or Terry and the Pirates.) These are my earliest 
memories of radio thus making them my Essential OTR Shows. 

Jerry in Illinois

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Date: 15 Dec 1995 14:12:59 -0600
From: "Frank Thomas" <Frank_Thomas@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RE: The New Frank Thomas
Message-Id: <m0tQgab-001W4GC@[removed]>

This wouldn't be the same Frank Thomas who used to play the part of Tom 
Corbett, Space Cadet would it?

Uh, no. I was born in 1951. I've been asked about Frank Thomas the Pirates
ball player of my youth and, of course, the current White Sox [removed] the
Tom Corbett connection has only been made in this forum. For the record, I
really like those Tom Corbett's.

Now back to my original [removed] those Benny Christmas [removed]


ft

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 12:32:06 -0800
From: dlock@[removed] (Dick Lochte )
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Nero Wolfe clone
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Since there has been some discussion and logs regarding Nero Wolfe 
radio shows, I thought I might mention THE AFFAIRS OF PETER SALEM, a 
series that was very similar. Salem, an apparently robust gent who 
lives in the whaling village of Salem, solves crimes by sending his 
assistant, Marty, into the field to retrieve facts and people.  Santos 
Ortega, who played Wolfe, provides a great, deep voice.  Marty is 
played by Jack Grimes (a LET'S PRETEND regular) in a properly smart 
alec manner.  Though the Wolfe shows are available, I don't believe 
I've seen many of the Salems on lists, but I could be wrong.  In any 
case, I remember it as being every bit as good as the Wolfes.

Dick Lochte

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 16:22:35 -0500
From: "MACHARG, KEN" <kmacharg@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: FESTIVAL OF CHRISTMAS PROGRAMMING
Message-ID: <A6DCD130017E1B00@[removed]>

I have sent the list of all of HCJB's special programming for Christmas 
previously. This time, I will just include the drama. Happy listening!

              HCJB FESTIVAL OF CHRISTMAS PROGRAMMING

     HCJB, The Voice of the Andes is proud to offer the following 
special Christmas programs for your enjoyment. 

Thursday, December 21 
     Drama "The Good Shepherd," the story of Eliezer, one of the 
original shepherds who witnessed the miracle night of Christ's birth, 
and his grandson, Reuben, who is embittered by the loss of his parents, 
two of the first Christian martyrs. This drama handles the age of 
question of how could a loving God allow cruelty and suffering. Hosted 
by Doug Oldham. 
     7:30 and 17:00 UTC to Europe, 9:00 UTC to the South Pacific, 1:00 
and 5:00 UTC Friday (Thursday evening local time) to the Americas.

Sunday, December 24  
     Drama "The Christmas Carol," the traditional 1939 version of 
Charles Dickens' famous classic. Brief commentary following the program 
by Rob Quiring and Brian MacHarg
     7:30 and 17:00 UTC to Europe, 9:00 to the South Pacific, 1:00 and 
5:00 UTC Monday, (Sunday night local time) to the Americas.

December 25  
     Drama "Christmas comes To Pleasant Hill". Set at the turn of the 
century, "Christmas Comes to Pleasant Hill" traces the consternation of 
a quaint town with its most unlovable citizen, Bertha Wiley. After 
living a life of bitterness and misery, Bertha is forced to take in a 
young girl orphaned by the death of her father. She comes to terms with 
someone whose love and concern overshadows her bitterness. 
     7:00 and 17:00 UTC to Europe, 9:00 UTC to the South Pacific, 1:00 
and 5:00 UTC Tuesday (Monday evening local time) to the Americas. 
HCJB - THE VOICE OF THE ANDES - QUITO, ECUADOR


                  HCJB TRANSMISSION SCHEDULE
ENGLISH    00:30-05:00  9745   [removed]   100    351
           05:00-07:00  9745   [removed]   100    324
           07:00-08:30  6050   Europe        250    035
           07:00-11:30  5900   [removed]     100    215
           11:00-15:00  12005  Caribbean     100    043
           11:30-14:30  15115  N/S America   50/50  353/160   
           14:30-16:00  15115  [removed]     100    139
           17:00-20:00  15540  Europe        100    042

English@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:15:50 -0500
From: MTPawckett@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Vaudeville, Red Skelton and Jack Benny on TV
Message-ID: <951215161517_55268113@[removed]>

Hello [removed] to those who responded to my earlier request for
vaudeville routines on [removed]'m still interested in finding more
vaudeville on otr, so if you know of any, please email me at
MTPawckett@[removed]  Thanks.

Also, I'm looking to purchase as many Red Skelton routines as I can locate.
 I'm looking for individuals or vendors who sell Red Skelton at a low cost.
 If this applies to you, please email with your Red Skelton list and cost.
 Alas, I don't have much to trade, so will be looking at buying.

Thanks to whomever posted the info abut the 50's and 60's tv digest.  Much
appreciated : )

And lastly, [rumor alert  : )] I've heard part of why Jack Benny is not
available on tv is that Comedy Central had the rights and then another comdy
channel bought the rights but went belly up after a short while.  Does anyone
know anything about this?

Well, thanks for listening!  {:o)  the smiling clown
Dave Lind

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 95 18:40 EST
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Old Time Radio re-issued
Message-Id: <m0tQjjO-000JiBC@[removed]>

>FYI: Several people havem mentioned Orson Welles' 1937 version of "Les
>Miserables". This series is now available commercially. Three cassettes
>for about twenty bucks. I saw it at a B. Dalton bookstore.
>

This raises a point I for one would be interested in hearing from anyone who
purchases these.

I began collecting my otr (over 25 years ago) via other collectors and
vendors who 
were not making huge profits from selling otr.  Quality was always (and
still is)
mixed and one learned to collect from those whose quality was consistently good.

It is a more recent trend to re-issue otr in a high-class marketing method from 
some rather well known organizations such as Simon & Schusters' Holmes, or the 
Smithsonian/Radio Spirits collections - all of which appear in bookstores.  I'm 
not talking about the lower quality tapes that sometimes were carried by
bookstores,
but tended to be hardly worth the cost.  These newer tapes/CDs have been
digitally
remastered a lot of times.

Anyway, the point is that I'd like to find out if these being sold are really 
worth the cost.  Here is my own assessment and I'd like to see other comments 
here in the digest that might help one find the really true bargains
(despite the
cost) that are available in bookstores:

Simon & Schuster Holmes series - very good quality, best copies, the opening 
comments from some of the former radio stars also add value when trying to
decide
if these are better to purchase than via some collector with the same versions, 
but lesser quality.

Smithsonian series - Excellent quality - unbelieveable quality (IMO) -
definitely
worth the cost even if you have copies that are of lesser quality.

Is the "Les Miserables" version better than what might already be out there?
I have
copies already, but if the quality is superior to what is available then I'd 
consider buying them.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          AOL: JimWidner  
                          

                                                 

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 18:49:41 -0500
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Blocks, Bergen, Benny, and Opinion Poll
Message-ID: <951215184935_55400403@[removed]>

Hi Gang -                          December 15 - 1995 -- Friday 4 PM cst 

I have been following John Rayburn's column and the replies from readers 
for the past several issues.  I often thought about station formats and 
wonder why radio station don't do something like this: 

A Four Hour BLOCK re-played six times would fill a 24 hour day. 
The reason for the block is that few people actually "listen" to the 
radio constantly.  We may "hear" the radio all day long, but we only 
"listen" for a few hours per day.   If we hear the same program 4 hours
later (assuming we still have the station tuned in), we may find that
we missed something first time around. 
Also, we get a new audience every few hours.  People work different 
shifts and this way everybody gets a chance to hear the programming. 
Finally, if we hear something we'd like to have in our collection, we 
can catch it again in four hours. 
The "programming" would change in the early evening, thus giving Eight
Hours of "new" programs in a row at change-over time, and still allow 
for hearing/taping again. (Say - 4 PM to 8 PM, then repeat 8 PM block
at Midnight)  

I have proposed this theory many times (to deaf ears), but interestingly,
A&E Television has started programming almost exactly the way I outlined
above - except they have the "day" and "night" blocks.   I believe the 
reason A&E does it is so they can catch the different time zones, but it's
really nice to be able to see "Biography" (for example) at 7 o'clock and 
tape it at 11.

------  Segue to New Topic  ------

Last night "Biography" featured the life of Edgar Bergen.  This program 
was interesting and informative.  I'm surprised I didn't see mention of
this in the digest.  Maybe I just missed it.  I'm sure they'll play it 
again in the future, and I'll try to advise when it comes around again.
It's nice that they take the time to remember the OTR performers by 
featuring them in "Biography". 

------ New Topic - Shoelaces -----

I am among the few who actually heard the Jack Benny "Shoelaces" program.
I think there were really two programs.  Jack bought the shoelaces for Don
on 12-8-46 and the story line continues on 12-15-46.   The running gag
"Metal Tips - Plastic Tips" continued for YEARS after that.  Nobody 
seems to have any Jack Benny Programs around those dates.  I have been 
trying to locate those particular broadcasts for over 35 years with no 
success.  Now that we have collectors/archivists who are "new" to the 
digest, it may be time to inquire again -- Does anybody have a source for 
the Jack Benny "Shoelaces" program(s)? 

------ Another Segue to New Topic  ------

The Jack Benny program where Polly learns to spell "Vacuum Cleaner" 
is one that should be in everybody's collection. -- Sorry, I don't 
remember the date off the top of my head. 

----- New Topic - Amos & Andy Re-Creation ----

Today I spoke to Dave Zwengler on the telephone.  Dave is on the planning
committee for the 1996 Friends of Old Time Radio convention.  He asked 
my opinion about having an Amos & Andy re-creation next year.  At first 
I thought this would be a great idea, since A & A  represents a milestone
in OTR, but  after some discussion, I believe such a program might offend
some people in the audience.  Not because of the controversial white 
actors doing black characters, but because of the VOICES used.  Nobody 
talks the way Andy, Kigfish, or Lightnin' do.  It is a "put-down". 
I considered the fact that none of my Italian friends (who came over 
from the "old country") talk like Luigi Basco either, and that is another
put-down.
Since Dave is not on the internet, he asked me to bring up the topic 
of "To Have or Not To Have" an Amos & Andy  Re-Creation at the 1996 
FOTR convention.   
I'm not looking to start a Forum.  If you have an opinion for or against 
having the re-creation - please send your comments to me privately and 
I'll forward them to the FOTR committee.   We'd like something more than
"yes" or "no".  We'd like your reasons and any other comments pro or con.
Thanks.

Happy Taping -  Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois 
kenpiletic@[removed] 

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:49:27 EST
From: VULM45A@[removed] ( ROBERT W PAINE)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Fibber McGee and Molly
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Robert Paine * [removed] #[removed] ] --

 The names of the little girl character was "Teeny" and "Sis".  
According to an interview he did with Chuck Schaden, Jim "Fibber"
Jordan said the names were interchangeble. The voice of Teeny was none
other than Marian Jordan - "Molly". 
 Jim Jordan said in the interview, a few years before his death, that
Molly generally "exited" the scene and Teeny immediately showed up.
They very seldom had Teeny and Molly in the same scene. Although Marian
Jordan could switch voices and have a conversation between the two
characters, it was difficult and not often used. 
 I listened to a FM&M Christmas program the other day and enjoyed it
infinitely more than anything - Christmas or otherwise - on TV. The
little kid put it best when he said he liked radio because "the
pictures are better". Somehow, the image of Fibber and Molly going into
a hardware store to buy several hundred feet of electrical wire,
sockets, three-hundred assorted colored lights, a dozen pairs of pliers,
a couple step-ladders and goodness knows what else, just doesn't
translate to the visual medium. 
 Sorry TV. I love you but radio is the superior means of entertainment.
It's not your fault - you just can't compete with the magic paintbrush
of the imagination.
 Gotta sign off now. I have to put up my own Christmas lights as soon
as I find them. I remember now, they're in the hall [removed]
  

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 16:36:37 -0800
From: dabell@[removed] (Alan Bell)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Fibber and Molly
Message-Id: <v01520d03acf6aea312e2@[[removed]]>

The "little twerp", was called Teeny on the show (I think) and the voice
was Marion Jordan, AKA "Molly." Notice how seldom Molly actually appears in
a scene with Teeny.

_____________________________________________________________________
ALAN BELL  3768 Sonoma Avenue  Santa Rosa, CA 95405  dabell@[removed]
=============================707-546-6988============================

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 17:32:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Randy Minnehan <rminneha@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: more otr shows dug up
Message-ID: <[removed]@acme>

Hello [removed]

   I am seeking information on a "new" old time radio show recently
[removed] the show is THE WHA PLAYERS.  All I know is that it was
produced at WHA in Madison, WI, the 11 hours I have access to is from
1948. They are 30 minute shows of all types, mostly drama and mystery
stories. Recorded directly off the transcription discs, the quality is
excellent, and the stories are well done.

   I can't find any other info on them in the many reference books we
[removed] can anyone out there provide more information?

--------------------------------------------------
|Randy Minnehan - rminneha@[removed]|
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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 20:41:52 -0500
From: RadioClass@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: When Radio Was - Chicago
Message-ID: <951215204149_91488300@[removed]>

I taped Chuck Shaden when he hosted Radio Classics on WBBM at midnight.  Now
I am trying to tape When Radio Was on WMAQ.  Many times I wind up with a
sports talk program instead of WRW.  Does anyone else have this problem?  Is
WMAQ inconsistent in broadcasting old time radio?

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 20:39:00 -0800
From: dabell@[removed] (Alan Bell)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Too many answers!
Message-Id: <v01520d04acf7caefe169@[[removed]]>

Geez, doncha just hate it when somebody answers a question that had already
been answered about 50 times two days earlier? I wonder if the "Teeny"
answers set a record for most responses to a single query.

(I've gotta be quicker on the keyboard or just forget about it.)

_____________________________________________________________________
ALAN BELL  3768 Sonoma Avenue  Santa Rosa, CA 95405  dabell@[removed]
=============================707-546-6988============================

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Date: Fri, 15 Dec 1995 21:40:00 PST
From: rs@[removed] (Robert Smits)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: What the heck is RCI?!?
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

MikeTimble@[removed] writes:

><<Sad news for all OTR fans around the world. It was announced <<today that
>RCI will be shut down on March 31, 1996. 
>
>Pardon my ignorance but what is RCI?
>

Radio Canada International, the shortwave Canadian broadcaster.


>Mike Timble
>
-- 
rs@[removed] 

Claiming that sex education leads to irresponsible sex is like 
claiming that driver education leads to car accidents.  [removed] 

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