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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 292

Table Of Contents: 

	 fade-out endings
	 Sponsors for CBS
	 House of Mystery
	 Ronald Reagan
	 Bill Sherer -where are you?
	 email wav files
	 More OTR Bits and Pieces
	 Rock Stars on Radio
	 Re: Occupations
	 Re: Burke and hare
	 Re: speaking out
	 Answers

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 21:38:47 -0700
From: rhtaylor <rhtaylor@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: fade-out endings
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This is not a trivia question in the sense that I have an answer. But I 
have always wondered what was the first significant pop or rock record to 
have a roll-down, fade-out ending. I've always assumed it happed because 
the artist or band didn't have an ending to the song, or it ran too long 
for air play. Anyone have any ideas?

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:33:59 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bruce Toews <toews@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Sponsors for CBS
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
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Hi. I have noticed, when listening to many programs from the fifties, 
that the commercial spots would, more often than not, be filled with 
public service announcements or ads for shows, with little or no 
commercial advertising. This was particularly true with CBS. Any thoughts 
on this?

Bruce

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:39:27, -0500
From: UGTH94A@[removed] (MR TED   KNEEBONE)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: House of Mystery
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I remember those House of Mystery shows. Didn't recall the host's name but
Bill Knowlton jogged my memory.
   I would sure like to own a few of those shows. The host took what
appeared to be supernatural events and by the end of the show he would be
able to tell the kids, "See, there was nothing supernatural about it at
all. This is what [removed]"
   A neat show that I really enjoyed.  If anyone has an episode or two they
would like to trade, I would be glad to send my list of holdings.  Thanks.
   Ted Kneebone / ugth94a@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 23:15 PDT
From: lois@[removed] (Lois Culver)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ronald Reagan
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For Sean Dougherty:
>I have an old Burns & Allen show in which the future president guest-starred
>and he pronounced is his own name Reegan at that point as well.  I'm not sure
>we want to start a thread on the man who made every government he
>administrated bigger, but does anyone know why or when he changed
>pronunciations?

I dont remember the date, but Ronnie and Neil were not the best of friends
and at some time Ronnie changed the name to Reagan, pronounced Raygun.  In
later life they "made up".

Lois Culver

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Date: 21 Aug 1996 03:24:51 GMT
From: kg@[removed] (KEN GREENWALD)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Bill Sherer -where are you?
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I've tried to contact Bill Sherer at his e-mail address some two times now. I
keep getting the message there is an error in the address. Bill, if you are
reading this, please e-mail me your address so I can tell you about Lux Radio
Theater, as you asked. Anyone else who knows Bill's e-mail address, please
drop me a line. It would be greatly appreciated. 
Ken G.

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 06:54:26 -0500
From: Joe Salerno <jsalerno@[removed]>
To: "'OTR LIST'" <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: email wav files
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Does anybody know if it's possible to compress a wav file and email it to someone?  What program is needed to acomplish this?

Joe Salerno
jsalerno@[removed]

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Date: 21 Aug 1996 03:21:23 GMT
From: kg@[removed] (KEN GREENWALD)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: More OTR Bits and Pieces
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hello, again!
On the Fibber McGee and Molly show a young man was auditioned 
for a role he claimed he could do perfectly -- it was the role of 
Beulah, the black maid. A white man playing a black maid? Yes, it 
was true. MARLIN HURT was that man and he could imitate a black 
woman's voice perfectly. The war had thinned the cast of the Fibber 
show with Bill Thompson and Gale Gordon entering the armed forces. 
Marlin Hurt was hired to play Beulah in 1944. One year later, on July 
2, 1945 a new show hit the airwaves. It was THE MARLIN HURT AND 
BEULAH SHOW. When Beulah was introduced at the beginning of the 
show and she said her most famous expression "Love that man!," the 
audience went wild. Why? Because actors and actresses could not be 
seen on radio. The radio audience at the studio was introduced to 
everyone in the cast during the warm-up with a few words saying 
that Beulah would come out as soon as the show went on air. When 
the show hit the air, Beulah would be introduced and Marlin Hurt, 
whose back was to the audience, would swing around and say "Love 
that man!" The unexpected realization that it was a white man 
playing a black maid brought the house down.

THERE WAS MENTION OF THE AFR - AMERICAN FORCES RADIO. 
During the war years, the US government organized a new team to 
bring radio to our service men overseas. Thus, the AFRS (Armed 
Forces Radio Service) was born. Everything sent to our soldiers came 
out of the central AFRS offices on McCadden Place, in the heart of 
Hollywood. The actual broadcasts were recorded at CBS, Columbia 
Square, on Sunset Blvd. at Argyle Avenue, and at NBC, just two 
blocks away at Sunset and Vine St. All these programs were edited of 
the commercials and then sent the pressing plant where thousands of 
discs were stamped and sent out all over the world. Although there 
were a number of European and Asian headquarters for AFRS, the 
three main ones (as I recall) were established in North Africa, 
Germany and Japan. Of course, this was after the defeat of the Axis 
powers. During the war, with the troops constantly on the move, 
there were hundreds of little AFRS stations established all over the 
place, supplied with the 16" ET pressings from planes, boats and 
trains that came in to our occupied zones. McCadden Place sent it all 
out and was THE real headquarters for the world.
I mention this because all the original discs of all those great radio 
shows were recorded and carefully kept at McCadden Place. Long 
after the war, sometime in the late 60's or early 70's, when TV took 
precedence over radio, the then head of AFRTS (Armed Forces Radio 
and Television Service) took a look at the thousands of stored radio 
discs and told his staff: "Get rid of that stuff. We need the room for 
TV equipment. I want all the metal based acetate masters Xed out 
with a nail so no one can play them. Then, have them shipped over to 
an aluminum plant so we can recycle the metal. As for the glass 
based discs, just take a hammer to them and that should do it." 
And it is because of this one commanders orders for "more room for 
TV equipment," that thousands and thousands of great radio 
broadcasts were destroyed. Oh, to be sure, many of the pressings 
survive, but with commercials cut and special Armed Forces "ads" 
put in. Many are floating around to be listened to, but all those 
original line recordings of those shows are gone. (I could cry over 
this, couldn't you?)

HERE ARE SOME WORDS ON VIC AND SADE --- I believe that Bill 
Idelson is the only one left living from the original cast of Vic and 
Sade. I am not sure the actor who played Russell is alive. In case you 
don't know, Bill is now a television producer. He sometimes comes 
down to visit the PPB Radio Archives. He was one of our honored 
guests at Nostalgia night and told about his career, and his particular 
love for Art Van Harvey and Clarence Hartzell.
15 years ago I met Darryl Hartzell. I asked him if he was related to 
Uncle Fletcher. He laughed and said yes, that Clarence was his real 
uncle. I found out that Clarence had never even heard one episode of 
Vic and Sade from those days he was Uncle Fletcher till present day. 
I couldn't believe this, but I promised I would make a tape of shows 
for Darryl's uncle. Months later Darryl told me that he gave his uncle 
the tape and they sat down and listened to some of the shows. 
Clarence was entranced and delighted to have the chance to hear Vic 
and Sade for the first time in over 40 years. (Sometimes it REALLY 
makes you feel good when you can give someone a little pleasure!)

Let's see, it's Wednesday, August 21, 1996 as I write this. In about 
two weeks, I, Keith Scott (he is now doing Boris Badinov for the 
Cartoon Network breaks on the Bullwinkle show) and Richard George 
Peticini are going to be on John and Larry Gassman's Sunday night 
OLD TIME RADIO SHOW on KPCC-FM, [removed] on your dial. 5 to 7pm. If 
you live in, around or near the LA/Pasadena area or are visiting 
from out of town, give the show a listen. Richard George wrote many 
of the original Suspense shows. He's in his late 70's and has a 
thousand very funny stories to tell. Well worth catching. Keith Scott 
is from Australia and is an expert voice over actor. He can do over 
350 different voices, including Bill Conrad, Hans Conreid, Paul Frees, 
Bullwinkle, Inspector Fenwick, Peabody, Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, etc. 

Please feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions about OTR. 
I'll be glad to help every way I can.
Till next time ---- Ken G.

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 07:32:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: caldwell@[removed] (Wayne Caldwell)
To: otr@[removed] (otr mailing list)
Subject: Rock Stars on Radio
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Someone asked it any Rock or Jazz stars appeared on radio. I have a copy of X
Minus One called "Real Gone" staring Al Jazzbo Collins. It was dated 2/27/57.

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 09:13:33 -0400
From: "Michael A. Carraher" <carraher@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Occupations
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Ozzie Nelson:  On radio, Ozzie was occasionally referred to as a band
leader (and Harriet Hilliard as the singer with his band).  In the film,
"Here Come the Nelson's," Ozzie worked in an ad agency.  No mention was
made of his occupation on TV (it may have been
producer-writer-director-star of a sitcom).  [removed]
In a skit in the 70's on the Tonight Show the following exchange took
place (David and Ricky have left home.  We meet a third son they've kept
locked in the attic all these years, Igor played by Johnny Carson).
Harriet:  There's something I've always wanted to ask you.
Ozzie:  What's that?
Harriet:  What do you do for a living?  (Big laugh!)

Fibber McGee:  Occasionally referred to as a former vaudevillian.  No
mention of current occupation.

Jack Benny:  Star of radio and screen.  Most skits on the show were
supposed flashbacks to what happened to Jack et al during the week.

George Burns:  Star of radio and screen.  George and Gracie starred in a
(fictional) weekly radio (later TV) show, which George produced.  Their
actual show was set at home (everyday life between broadcasts).  In
early episodes, George and Gracie were co-stars but not married (like
Jack and Mary).  In the 40's, George decided they were getting too old
to play single people and that married life opened new comic
possibilities.  So he announced on the air that from now on he and
Gracie would be "married" on the show.

Kingfish:  Amos drove the cab.  Andy "managed" the cab company ([removed],
hung around the office).  Kingfish hads no apparent employment.  He had
various get rich schemes and attempted to bilk people (usually Andy) out
of their money.  He may have received a salary from his position at the
Mystic Knights of the Sea Lodge.

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:30:41 -0400
From: JShnay@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Burke and hare
Message-ID: <960821103040_461894998@[removed]>

You are referring to one of a brilliant series of Crime Classics programs
written by Morton Fine and David Freidkin amd driected by Elliott Lewis. The
program ran little more than one year in the early 1950s but its mordant
humor, marvelous sound effect woven into the script and a stable of marvelous
actors made this a series to treasure.
jshnay 

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:53:31 4
From: "edcarr" <edcarr@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: speaking out
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

normally i wouldn't bother to write
my opinon on various subjects
posted here,for one reason i'am
not that knowledgeable about various
parts of old radio,i do enjoy reading
about it,from the doorman to the
elevator operator they all had something
to do with radio ,i'am speaking about
those who worked and or had something
to do with radio.
 but when i see that someone wants to
post a few articles and is afraid of
offending another because they don't
happen to like that aspect of radio
i say shove it,if you want to share
do [removed]'t be held back because 
a minority of readers always post their
feelings.
 as before if i don't like a subject
i mouse it,and if i only read one article
that day so be it.
                             edcarr@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 14:52:06 -0400
From: Tom Kleinschmidt <tomkle@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Answers
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To Ken Piletic:

        I'm almost certain that the "If I have wounded any [removed]" line
comes from television from the 1950's and belonged to Red Skelton.


To Larry Lewis:

        The story about Burke and Hare was definitely done on CRIME
CLASSICS, I have the show dated as 12/2/53.


To Sean Dougherty:

        About a year or more back I posted that WOBM 1160 AM was airing OTR
shows. I used to work in Freehold and Howell,NJ and would listen to the
station while driving home. Unfortunately the station is only 5000 watts and
disappeared quickly as I drove westward towards home. I believe that the
station is actually in Lakewood and not Tom's River which is right next
door. At least that's how I remember their station ID. 
        When I listened to the station, they were airing WHEN RADIO WAS 
6 nights a week from 7-8 PM and something called THE GOLDEN AGE OF RADIO
THEATRE for 2 hours on Saturday nights from 6-8 PM. This was almost 8 months
ago that I worked in that area so I don't know how the schedule may have
changed. The regular format was also a "MUSIC OF YOUR LIFE/BEAUTIFUL MUSIC"
with local news every hour.


I hope I've helped.



Tom




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