Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #338
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Date: 8/28/2002 9:03 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 338
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Adventures in Research, was this a w  [ "Henry Brugsch" <henry@listentohear ]
      Nipper                                [ lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed]; ]
      Re: Barney Beck                       [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      Nipper and Chipper                    [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
      Fulton Lewis, Jr.                     [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
      Saturday At The Shamrock              [ Wboenig@[removed] ]
      Norman Jolley                         [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      att. Stephen Kallis jr                [ "Henry Brugsch" <henry@listentohear ]
      Benny cartoons                        [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
      NAM Syndication                       [ Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed]; ]
      Re: The NAM and OTR                   [ <chriss@[removed]; ]
      Edgar Bergen                          [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Fulton Lewis, Jr.                     [ " tompolley" <tompolley@[removed] ]
      Radio Documentaries                   [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      How are the OTR offerings on XM radi  [ "Bob Watson" <crw912@[removed]; ]
      The Happiness Boys                    [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
      Nipper                                [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      FWD: Old Time Radio Commercials       [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:59:07 -0400
    From: "Henry Brugsch" <henry@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Adventures in Research, was this a weird
     dream?

    I used to listen regularly to Adventures, a 15minute show sponsered, and
    produced by Westinghouse, which touted the advantages of research, and
    science, I loved this show, was full of some real great information, and
    made my grasp of a lot of scientific concepts a lot easier.
    But, one show I seem to remember, was an attempt, allegedly, to chop off the
    lower end of Manhatan island, because, it was skinking. This seems utterly
    silly, and impossible. Yet, the show went into great detale about the
    project, and the attempts, that all fell through to do the job. Including
    hundreds of guys in diving suits with huge 2-man saws hacking away at the
    end of the island. Most improbable sounding, yet I can remember it as clear
    as day.
    Has anyone else come across this in any form?
    clear as [removed]
    Has an

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:14:34 -0400
    From: lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Nipper

    The question of "what kind of dog was Nipper".
    My source listed him as a Jack Russell Terrier was
    WRONG!!  After checking many many sources I can assure
    everyone that Nipper was a Bull Terrier with a trace
    or
    Fox Terrier.  Nipper was a stray found on the streets
    of Bristol England in 1884.  He past way in 1895.
    There are many great sources on the web.  Go to
    [removed] key word Nipper and you will find a wealth
    of information.

    My appologies for the incorrect answer!!

    Lynn

    [removed]  He was named Nipper because he "Nipped" at the
    ankels of people who visited is home.

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:23:31 -0400
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Barney Beck

    In a message dated 8/26/02 10:04:15 AM, Steve Lewis writes:

>     That would be Barney Beck, a very good friend of the Gotham Players in our
>     early days.   Among his many claims to fame, Barney was sound man for Bob &
>     Ray.

    ***And let's not forget that Barney was the head sound effects artist on THE
    SHADOW during its last eight seasons. --Anthony Tollin***

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:49:45 -0400
    From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Nipper and Chipper

    Charlie said:

>     Nipper has been used in RCA advertising materials since 1929. Chipper, a Jack
>     Russell terrier, was added to the family in 1991.

    I'm surprised more of you don't remember the TV advertising campaign when
    the then-nameless Jack Russell terrier was introduced.   RCA ran a contest
    for naming the pup.    Chipper was one of the  names I came up with but
    never submitted.  :))

    Irene

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:20:30 -0400
    From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Fulton Lewis, Jr.

    Lee Munsick mentioned Fulton Lewis Jr's support of McCarthy.  ("To many
    Americans McCarthyism is Americanism" said Lewis.) Lewis never deserted
    McCarthy and after McCarthy's death he started a memorial fund.

    That support went down to the next generation.   His son Fulton (Buddy)
    Lewis III whom I met at a live televised debate about HUAC in NY was the
    lead attorney for the fortunately short-lived attempt at reviving HUAC in
    1960 which led to a massive demonstration in SF culminating in students
    being washed down the stairs of SF City Hall by fire hoses.   I believe he
    was also a radio commentator at one time.

    Irene

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:50:22 -0400
    From: Wboenig@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Saturday At The Shamrock
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    What, if anything, can anyone tell me about the series "Saturday At The
    Shamrock?"

    I have a single episode of this show, dated February 18, 1950, which was
    broadcast from the Shamrock Hotel in Houston over the local ABC affiliate
    KXYZ.  The broadcast was musical performances from the hotel's ballroom, and
    the featured guests this evening were Harpo and Chico Marx, and Alice Lee.

    In Groucho Marx's biography, Hector Arce writes "Harpo, having returned from
    his joint European tour with Chico, was persuaded to appear with Jack Benny
    and Danny Kaye at the February 1950 opening of the Shamrock Hotel in
    Houston."

    However, in listening to the episode of February 18, I do not get any sense
    that this was a new series; this makes the broadcast difficult to reconcile
    with Arce's statement.  (Jack and Danny do not appear in this broadcast,
    either.)

    John Dunning does not list this series in his "[removed]", but Jay
    Hickerson's "[removed]" indicates that the series ran from July 16, 1949 to
    June 6, 1953.

    Any information that would help me prove, disprove, or revise Arce's
    statement would be most welcome, as would any information in general on the
    series "Saturday At The Shamrock."

    Wayne Boenig

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:43:04 -0400
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Norman Jolley

    A. Joseph Ross wrote:

>     Norman Jolley was the head writer of Space Patrol and had a number of
>     rolls on both the radio and TV versions, including Agent X and the
>     Secretary General of the United Planets.  But according to Nina Bara, who
>     played Tonga on Space Patrol, Malengro was played by Larry Dobkin.

    Of the hundred-plus radio shows I have from 10/25/52 to 3/19/55 Norm was on
    about 85% of them and Larry Dobkin was on twice. I haven't had the time to
    check what role he played, but Norm was Dr. Malingro (spelling from Dunning)
    at least from August thru December 1953. I taped these shows years ago and
    don't remember the names of the other characters he played.

    As for writer, Lou Huston wrote most of the radio series.

    We just saw Norm in May. He looked great. His death was a great shock. At
    least he lived to see the appreciation fans of today had for his work.

    Barbara

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 14:54:46 -0400
    From: "Henry Brugsch" <henry@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  att. Stephen Kallis jr

    Hi Stephen, and all regarding the sounds of the Standard Library DC-2, real
    interesting post a couple of bulletins back.
    I think, you said they were Wasp 1800s in both the -3, and the -2.
    Here's something a bit interesting. I found a recording I have here called
    fighters of World War I. by Riverside records from the '60s. It has on it a
    Liberty engine being run up. Apparently it wasn't in anything flyable,
    because, all you get is this thing starting fitfully, ticking over, and
    being revved up, then back to tick over.
    Anyway, Stephen, and who ever else might be interested, this thing sounds
    vaguely like that old dc-2 recording.
    Brings up an interesting question, was the old wasp engine related to the
    Liberty? Or were some dc-2s fitted with Libertys?
    Anyway, I'll put this thing into an mp3 file for anyone who wants it, and
    I'll send it as an attachment upon request.
    --
    Henry Brugsch
    mailto://henry@[removed]

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:22:11 -0400
    From: JackBenny@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Benny cartoons

> >     Still, it's a wonderful parody of Jack Benny and
> >     Rochester and I have always been wondering
> >     what other parodies were done about Jack
> >     Benny? Anyone know of any others?

    Thanks for the [removed]'t heard of that cartoon rendition of Jack Benny and
    Rochester.  We have a page devoted to cartoon appearances of Jack Benny;  go
    to [removed], then Programs, then Cartoons.  Even have links to a
    couple of them that are available for viewing on other sites.

    There's one called "Daffy Duck and the Dinosaur" that others maintain is a
    "borrowing" of Jack's character.  I don't know that I completely buy that.  I
    can see some similarities, but it's not enough for me to decide if they were
    trying to do Jack or just a general character (or potentially even Frank
    Fay?).

    Of course, there are more obvious ones like Jack Bunny in "I Love to Sing-A"!

    Laura Leff
    President, IJBFC
    [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:22:34 -0400
    From: Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  NAM Syndication

    In reference to the National Association of Manufacturers, Elizabeth McLeod
    writes:

>     The NAM was a behind-the-scenes puppetmaster pulling a great many strings

    in the media during the 1930s and

>     [removed];snip> Radio was frequently exploited in these propaganda efforts.

    In addition to George Sokolsky's

>     broadcasts, the NAM was responsible for the syndicated comedy serial

    "American Family Robinson," produced from >1935-41, and circulated on
    transcriptions free of charge to any station that would carry it.

    Apparently there was considerable use of these transcriptions throughout
    the late 30's and early '40's. Over the past two years, we've come across
    two large cache's of both Sokolsky and "American Family Robinson"
    broadcasts, indicating that if a station carried one they would probably
    carry both. This would make sense, in that a small station with a limited
    budget and no network affiliation would likely also be located in small
    market area. Since smalller towns in rural markets were often quite
    conservative in their politics, the combination of conservative-based
    broadcast material coupled with the fact that it was free for the asking
    likely made for a great many small stations happy to air the shows.

    For those who care about such things, "American Family Robinson" was
    recorded by the World Broadcasting System in the 1930s, then switched to
    the NBC Recording Division with a new series in 1940. The Sokolsky
    recordings we have are all NBC Recording but as they date from 1940 as
    well, I can't say for certain who recorded Sokolsky in the 1930s.

    Here are some label scans of the disks:

    "American Family Robinson" 1930s
    [removed]

    "American Family Robinson" 1940
    [removed]

    "George E. Sokolsky" - 1940
    [removed]

    Harlan

    Harlan Zinck
    First Generation Radio Archives
    [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 16:34:50 -0400
    From: <chriss@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: The NAM and OTR

>     comedy serial "American Family Robinson,"

    Is this serial in general circulation, available from reputable
    dealers?

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:29:43 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Edgar Bergen

    Edgar Bergen's best film (in my opinion) was YOU CAN'T CHEAT AN HONEST MAN
    with [removed] Fields and Rochester.  I saw this years ago on AMC and it was a
    riot.  Fields and Charlie McCarthy go at it one on one throughout the entire
    film, like great comedies should.

    It's a shame they don't make comedies worth watching as much as they used
    to.  I can always sit back and watch a marx Bros movie and laugh all the
    time, cause their jokes (regardless of the serious situation), was constant
    from opening scene to the last.  Nowadays they make comedies that are funny
    for about a half hour, then veer off to the serious drama, and end with a
    little humor.  It's the old films that are funny and creative - new
    film-makers need to watch the past masters and learn something.

    If you local video store or library has YOU CAN'T CHEAT AN HONEST MAN (it
    was released commercially through Universal years ago), it's worth the
    effort seeking it out.  Radio fan's must-see.

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 20:29:58 -0400
    From: " tompolley" <tompolley@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fulton Lewis, Jr.

    I recall him with great admiration.  Used to listen to him alone (no
    parental influence) and while he went a little over the edge with Senator
    McCarthy he helped me formulate my early political leanings as he spoke with
    great authority and I thought common sense.  In Ohio he was sponsored by
    Timken Roller Bearing of Canton as he was greatly admired by that company's
    CEO.

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:59:50 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio Documentaries

    Ryan asks:

>     I love this book and was wondering if there are any other audio
>     documentaries out
>     there that chronicle major news events in radio.

    Every year for many years the major radio networks broadcast a "Year in
    Review" of major events for that year including audio from the events under
    various names.  I do have quite a few going back to 1941 and find them
    pretty informative though sometimes dramatic. Sometimes the features are
    re-created. There was also a program back in the early 30's called "World
    in Review" which was broadcast weekly and was usually dramatized events of
    the week's news.

    I also have something from ABC Radio in 1966 from a program called "ABC
    Scope" which was subtitled "A Year in a New Kind of War - 1966." Other
    documentaries include "Day of Infamy" about Pearl Harbor from 1961

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:21:44 -0400
    From: "Bob Watson" <crw912@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  How are the OTR offerings on XM radio??

    Was wondering how those who had XM receivers were liking the OTR offerings
    on RadioClassics and Sonic Theatre??  I might want to buy a system before
    Christmas and it would help me decide.

    Bob

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    Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 22:21:54 -0400
    From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Happiness Boys

              Regarding Billy Jones and Ernie Hare ("The Happiness Boys")
    weren't they also known under several other names depending on the
    sponsor?  My mother said she remembered them as the "Interwoven
    Pair".  Does anyone else remember some of the other names they
    used and the sponsors they had at the time?

    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:04:47 -0400
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Nipper

    The Southern California Antique Radio Society (Scars) newsletter, the
    Gazzette,  has a reprint of an article by Han Fantel which was
    originally published in the [removed] issue of Delta Airlines "Sky"
    magazine.
    Mr Fantel researched Nipper and actually visited the famous dog's
    gravesite in London where there is a Brass Marker. He says that Nipper
    was a bull terrier even though he was often thought to be an fox
    terrier.
    Although the dog died in 1895 at age11,  years before he became the
    worlds most famous trademark,  his owner painter Francis Barraud
    survived him by many prosperous years. Barraud lived high on the dog,
    growing wealthy from endlessly painting copies of his famous canine
    portrait. Hans Pantel writes for the New York Times.

    George Aust

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    Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:42:29 -0400
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  FWD: Old Time Radio Commercials

    Folks;

       Received this in the old mailbag this evening; Ms. Doerr has been invited
    to join us, but at the moment she is not a subscriber, so copy her directly
    on any replies you might make.

             Charlie

    From: "Doerr, Autumn" <ADoerr@[removed];
    Subject: Old Time Radio Commercials

    I'm working on a segment for a pilot called Public Radio Weekend for
    Minnesota Public Radio.  One of our ideas is to have old radio commercials
    thrown into the show.  "And now for [removed]" and play a commercial followed
    by a conversation about the product with an expert.  We need good sound and
    products that are no longer around because public radio doesn't advertise.
    Also, if you have any information on the commercial and someone we can talk
    to about it, that would be great.

    Thank you.

    Autumn Doerr
    Minnesota Public Radio
    213-608-3451
    adoerr@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 04:52:04 -0400
    From: lois@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

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