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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 401


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	
	 Space Patrol programs
	 Suspense dates addendum
	 Re: Fred Foy
	 Agreed!
	 Ends and odds and other musings
	 Issue 394
	 GE Superadio -- II or III ?

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:10:25 -0500
From: alabok@[removed] (Bob Jennings)
To: otr@[removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

        Re Frank Passages' comments on otr science fiction.
        Space Patrol and Tom Corbett Space Cadet were both run as juvenile
programs.  Tom Corbett was sponsored by Kellogg in a twice a week format
thru much of its run.  It was based on the Space Cadet novel by Robert
Heinlein and used Willy Ley as a technical advisor.  Rummor has it that this
program took over from Superman which Kellogg dropped because the Superman
radio program was producing so many racial harmony/brotherhood sory plots.
These story lines made the company very uncomfortable about how they would
be received in the deep south and out west.
        There was a Tom Corbett TV show which is much better remembered
despite the fact that they were one of those two-or-three set type early TV
programs.
        Space Patrol was a juvenile which started out as a daily TV show in
California and then moved into full network radio and TV when the TV show
was successful enough to attract the attention of the ABC network.  The
radio show was broadcast on Saturday mornings and ran thru the middle of
1956.  The sponsor was Ralston Purenia.
        Altho billed as a juvenile, the radio show was really a lot better
than your average juvenile fare.
        Unfortunately the show had some pretty aweful science build in as
part of the basic background.  This included such things as: in order to
travel from planet to planet all the characters had to do was step on the
gas in their space ships, and away they went, covering billions of miles (or
[removed]'s, as space distance was always called in the series) in no time at
all.  In addition, every single planet of the solar system was inhabited by
human beings (some were apparently natives), altho as the program developed,
certain planets were said to be protected by domed cities to protect the
inhabitants from the toxic effects of the atmosphere on such places as
Jupiter or Saturn, and the extreme heat on planets such as Mercury.  Not a
word was ever said about the crushing gravity of such planets, or the fact,
well discussed in the late forties and early fifties, that larger gas
methane type planets probably don't have solid ground under those swirling
clouds anyway.
        Despite all that, the story plots were surprisingly well thought out
most of the time.  The primary writer was Norm Jollie (spelling probably
wrong), who actually spent lots of time in libraries and talking with
scientists as the show built up a following, trying to stay on the cutting
edge of solar science, and he managed to work a lot of new theories and new
technological developments into the story plots.
        The stories hold up remarkably well, probably because they dealt
with a problem solving permise set against a police-crime solving backdrop,
where science fiction concepts became the focus of greedy manipulation by
criminals or other nefarious forces.
        Space Patrol was, and still is, one of my favorite radio programs of
all time, so I'm obviously prejudiced about it.
        Ralston may well have tapes of their shows, both the TV and radio
Space Patrol material, however they are absolutely uninterested in working
with collectors at any level on such matters.
        Last year a club called the Galaxy Patrol decided to petition the
Ralson Company to see if they would consider reintroducing Space Patrol
gimmicks as a method to sell their cerial, particularly Instant Ralson.
        At one time Instant Ralson wass Ralston's most popular consummer
oriented product, but today it has really crummy story distribution, and
conequently, extremely poor sales nation wide.  Ralston let it be know than
they were interested in doing something along the lines of the deluxe Tom
Mix premiums they had offered back in the late seventites.
        Despite a blizzard of letters, including cost design specifics and a
lot of other marketing stuff a bunch of us worked up to convince them that
promoting Space Patrol material would be a good idea, Ralston decided to
pass on not only the Space Patrol but also on any future Tom Mix premiums as
well.
        The product and marketing people in charge of such things underwent
two complete turnovers during the time we were all frantically writing
letters, and the last person to hold the job (can't remember his/her name
off the top of my head), started sending out zeroxed form letters brushing
everybody off in a fairly tactless manner.  We all got the hint pretty quickly.
        I don't regret expending all that time and effort to get the project
going, since the entire experience was a wonderful education in how big
companies work, or more directly, how little they actually care about fans
old or new, or the historic values of any entertainment programs with which
they were once connected.
        Corporations are interested in generating short term profits as
rapidly as possible, and unless the person in charge of the project has
direct memory or had a direct connection and an old radio ot TV shjow, they
tend to dismiss fans like us as doddering old foggies living in the past
(which may be true, but it's beside the fact).
        There may be a source for new Space Patrol radio shows from the
production people who worked on the program and kept tapes of some of their
work.  Negotiations on a couple of fronts are underway and something may
turn up next year.
        Another juvenile show you missed as Starr of Space, which had great
sound effects.  I've only heard a few of these, they but they are enjoyable.
        You should contact Gordon Payton at 119 E, Cuthbert Blvd., Bldg O,
Apt 3, Westmont, NJ 08108-1829; who is compiling a list of all SF and horror
audio dramas past to present.  $10 will get you the list, plus, if you buy
shows from him, the ten bucks is credited toward your first order.  He
specialisizes exclusively in this genre, and his catalog is a great
reference tool.

        To the person who mentioned a creepy story about fog moving in; this
may well be "The Night the Fog Came: from Halls of Fantasy, which is a
particularly effective horror story.

        ----Bob Jennings

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 13:08:31 -0800
From: dunivenh@[removed] (Herbert Duniven )
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Space Patrol programs
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

   If you are looking for Space Patrol programs they will soon be
   available from RHAC.

   On January 1, 1996 5 tapes,  with 40 programs will be issued.
   Tapes 1214 through 1219  have shows from 10-25-52 thru 12-05-53.

   On Feb 1, 1996 an additional 6 tapes with 48 shows of the series
   will be made available to RHAC members.  Tapes 1220 thru 1225
   will have shows 12-12-53 thru 3-19-55.

   Space Patrol programs are alive and well at RHAC.

   If you need information about joining the non-profit OTR club
   send your regular address to either of the following and material 
   will be mailed to you.

   Dick King, club president     rrking@[removed]

   Herb Duniven                  dunivenh@[removed]

   or to RHAC  PO Box 1908   Englewood, CO  80150

                     herb duniven   RHAC    Denver

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 95 15:02:52 EST
From: platecap@[removed] (Bob B)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Suspense dates addendum
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Some information that has been pondered recently about Suspense:

Alibi with Everett Sloane was broadcast 7/7/57
(show #705)
There were some shows done both on Suspense and Escape.
Two Came Back was one of those shows.
The Escape show was broadcast on 8/4/50
The Suspense show was done 10 years later on 6/5/60.

William Conrad was one of the key actors in the Escape version.
Robert Readick (who briefly played the title role in Johnny Dollar)
starred in the Suspense version of Two Came Back.

Appendix III of Eidemiller and Lembesis' log has a complete list with
dates of all shows done on both Escape and Suspense.

Bob Burnham; BRC Productions; [removed] Box 2645; Livonia, MI 48151
voice (313) 277-3798;  fax (313) 277-3095; internet platecap@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:20:32 -0500
From: Vince6944@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Fred Foy
Message-ID: <951119172030_111046255@[removed]>

Fred Foy released a Cassette and CD some time this year and the info for
ordering
it from him was in a back issue of the OTR Digest. If someone could repost
that
information I would appreciate it.

-Thanks-
 Vince

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:35:11 -0500 (EST)
From: GRIFFINR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: GRIFFINR@[removed]
Subject: Agreed!
Message-id: <01HXU7N9ZZUSB2KIQ8@[removed]>

It has been my understanding that otr@[removed] was established to serve 
as an information exchange among those who especially respect and/or remember
the golden age of radio. I just want to echo the sentiments of those who are
appalled that someone would demean the forum by using it to advance their
own intractable and imperious political agenda. As one who recalls the era
with great affection, I am conscious of the effort that was made over the 
years to be sensitive to the fact that this was considered a UNIVERSAL
medium which should take care NOT to give offense to those who hold divergent
political or religious convictions. There were a myriad of comedy shows that
tended to keep things in proper perspective.  When someone proports to be
attuned to old radio and manifests no trace of self deprecation or wit,
we have to suspect "fraudulent credentials," [removed] person simply not in touch
with a genre that consistently sought the high road of good humor and
tolerance.

Bob G.

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 19:22:38 EST
From: VULM45A@[removed] ( ROBERT W PAINE)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Ends and odds and other musings
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Robert Paine * [removed] #[removed] ] --

 I've read the posts on intellectual property, RP, P&G, etc. and
figured FWIW (probably nothing) I'd spend a quarter (inflation) and
toss in my comments. 
 I agree with points on both sides of the matter but it comes down to
the fact that the programs, if they exist and the companies have 'em,
are the property of the companies and they can do what they want  - or
don't want - with them. Unfortunately, the old "possession is nine-
tenths of the law" routine would apply here. 
 Unfortunate for us? Yup. Fair to us? I ain't gonna touch that one!
Fair is intangible - we each have our opinion of what's right and wrong,
good and bad, etc. Who am I to tell you that I'm right because I feel a
certain way about something? (No, I'm not saying that anyone did say
[removed] using myself as an example.) Even though we may think a
particular situation rots, if we can't do anything about it we're up
the crick. 
 Maybe something can be done about this one; suggestion or suggestions
about contacting individuals or corporations have been put forth that
perhaps will bear fruit.
 Unfortuanately, in many situations, an individual or company will sit
on something if they know someone wants it. Again, this may not be the
case here. It has been the case, though, many times through my thirty-
some years of researching radio and TV station history. I think a story
unrelated to radio might explain what I'm trying to say.
 Friend of mine is divorced. Middle-aged guy (in years only), custody
of one child, has mortgage payments on one or two others. He's worked a
number of jobs, very diligently but circumstance always seems to go
against him. Now works at a convenience joint. Manager seems all-
company - maybe an "I'm going to do a great job so they'll see how
valuable I am" attitude. My friend's life is expected to revolve around
work. Stay home when we don't want you but come in if we call and work
the hours we want and the heck with the rest of your life. We can't
give you the help you need but do the work of several people and don't
fall behind. If we bring in an extra person we'll put them where they
aren't needed and sorry if you need help. 
 He related this scenario and then made one of the shortest but most
profound comments I've ever heard: "Everyone has their own little
kingdom". Politicians, blue collar, white collar, whatever - know they
aren't going much further in life than where they now are so they have
to feel they're in control of some element of their existance. My
friend summed-up in those few words what I've tried for thirty-odd
years to say. 
 We're frustrated about not having access to things but we can only do
what we can and turn our attention to other things. And if some company
has valuable material and chooses to ditch it, shame on them if
irreplaceable stuff is lost, but we can't control the situation.
 This is not a slam at anyone and if you disagree, I'll respect it. I
just hope my friend's words give another perspective to what maybe an
unfortunate situation. 
 BTW, I believe it is P&G that has the only known existing TV episode
of The Brighter Day soap opera (1954-1962). They claim they can't
release it for legal considerations. I'd love to have a copy but that's
the way the old crumbie cookles. C'est le guerrie(spelling intentional)
. Peace.

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:04:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACKEY@[removed]
To: otr <otr@[removed]>
Subject: Issue 394
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>

With Frank Passage, I also am missing issue 394.

At first I though I had deleted by error, but since Frank is missing one 
also, I fugured its just a glitch in the system.

Joe Mackey (back to lurk mode)

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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 22:46:11 -0600 (CST)
From: Jon S Miller <jsmiller@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: GE Superadio -- II or III ?
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi.  Sorry to bring this up again.  About a month back someone chipped in 
their 2 cents to the effect that the new Superadio -- the III -- was not 
as good or sensitive to long-range broadcasts as the II.  Then, another 
asked this forum for verification of this opinion -- and I've been 
waiting but alas the question was answered privately, or not at all.  I 
want desperately to pick up the best long-range AM radio I can buy (for 
under $100) so that I can at least pick up KDKA Pittsburgh here in Iowa 
City, IA.  Is the II the way to go?  Will the III do the job?  What's the 
story here?   Muchos gracias.

Jon Stephen Miller
Department of English
University of Iowa
jon-s-miller@[removed]

"Life is sweet as nitrous oxide" -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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