Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #367
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 11/17/2004 6:33 AM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 367
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      HONEST HAROLD                         [ StuartLubin@[removed] (Stuart Lubin ]
      WTIC's "The Golden Age of Radio"      [ "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed]; ]
      Re:MP3 Auto-recording Multiple Progr  [ Don Shenbarger <donslistmail@sbcglo ]
      "Worthwhile?" It's up to [removed]        [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      Unidentified Chicago-based Soap Oper  [ Gregg Oppenheimer <gopp@[removed]; ]
      11-17 births deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      In Memory of Dayton Allen and Norman  [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
      Rochester                             [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      Fw: TM Bar                            [ "Jim Harmon" <jimharmonotr@charter. ]
      sexy voice                            [ "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@charter ]
      Shirley Temple at FBC mic             [ "bobb lynes" <iairotr@[removed]; ]
      Ed Kemmer WAS Buzz Corry              [ "bobb lynes" <iairotr@[removed]; ]
      Rochester's heart attack              [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
      First Female DJ?                      [ "Austotr" <austotr@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:51:47 -0500
    From: StuartLubin@[removed] (Stuart Lubin)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  HONEST HAROLD

    I am not going to be the first one to jump on Al Girard's posting of
    today.  The actress in Honest Harold was Mary JANE Croft, not Mary ANNE.
    No big deal, considering all the mistakes I have made.
    I recently posted about visiting the Beulah Show, and Mary Jane was a
    daily regular, being Beulah's employer, [removed] She was a delight
    to speak to after the show and was always available.  In spite of
    experiencing this, when she visited a SPERDVAC onvention after her
    husband, Elliott Lewis died, I felt intimidated and didn't go up to her.
    (It was nothing SHE did.)  I did get to talk to her and reminisce about
    Beulah and Ozzie and Harriet when she later came to a SPERDVAC meeting.
    She was as warm as she had been in the fifties.  I am sorry to report
    that she has since passed on.

    Stuart Lubin

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    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:52:42 -0500
    From: "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  WTIC's "The Golden Age of Radio"

    The second show in the series "The Golden Age of Radio"
    which aired on WTIC in Hartford, CT, in the '70's, hosted
    by Dick Bertel and Radio Collector Ed Corcoran, is now
    available as an MP3 file at

    [removed]

    This program aired in May, 1970, and features Charles
    Harrell, Eastern Program Director for the NBC Blue
    and ABC Radio Networks

    I'm going to try to put a new show up every week or so.

    Bob Scherago
    Department of Redundancy Department
    Voice of America
    Washington, DC

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    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:54:13 -0500
    From: Don Shenbarger <donslistmail@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:MP3 Auto-recording Multiple Programs

    On 11/16/2004 Brent Pellegrini asked:

>     RECORDING OTR FROM TAPES TO COMPUTER?
>     I'm in the process of getting rid of all my reel to reel tapes and getting
>     them on mp3. Does any one know of any software that can record from the reel
>     player to the computer that will recognize when a show ends and create a new
>     track for the next show? Otherwise everything is on one track.

    MusicMatch Julkebox can do what you ask. My version ([removed]) is not current,
    but I expect the feature is in the latest version as well. Check the
    computer and operating system requirements before installing MMJ. MMJ
    includes the Fraunhofer MP3 encoder which is the best in my opinion. There
    are some settings in the advanced section to enable mono and set the
    processing level higher which is helpful in math-intensive, low bit rate
    recordings typical with OTR. It has a learning curve but will yield good
    results in the end.

    MMJ is a Windows application but will work in Virtual PC on a Macintosh.
    Thom Bray is using it that way to generate the audio stream programs for
    his web broadcast on Live365:
    [removed]

     From the help section of MMJ:

    Auto Song Detect

    Menu Path: Options/Settings/Recorder/Advanced

    When recording from an outside source like a tape recorder or vinyl album,
    use Auto Song Detect. This setting is useful to detect the end of songs in
    order to create individual MP3 files of each song.

    Gap Length - Determines how long a pause MUSICMATCH should listen for after
    a song has ended, and the beginning of the next song.

    Gap Level - Tells MUSICMATCH to listen for a certain volume level that
    helps determine when the track is over.

    Don Shenbarger

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    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:54:45 -0500
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Worthwhile?" It's up to [removed]

    Dear Jim, & Gang-

> >     From: <otrbuff@[removed]

>     Considering where we are now and where we were a decade ago
>     at these conventions, I can't help but wonder where we might be in the year
>     2014.

    Well, the realities of life do indeed dictate that there will be less numbers
    of ex-original performers (now in their 80's), and ex-original listeners (now
    in their 60's). The $64,000 Question is, then:

    Can/should Golden Age Radio fandom survive beyond them?

>     Will there be enough who remember "the good old days" without an
>     overarching pall of sadness due to dwindling numbers?

    An antidote to that "pall," is gratitude for the work of the "those whose
    shoulders we stand on," as well as an active nurturing of new blood - like
    that of the High School students who both watched, and performed, at FOTR.

    I know that some seem to feel that this fandom should naturally decrease, as
    the numbers of it's first generation do; I would counter, that Silent Film
    lovers have kept their field vital, beyond it's pioneers - and their roots
    were 30 years earlier than ours. You can discover OTR - and NTR/MAD - anew, &
    love it; you don't have to just "remember" it.

    I, for one, vote to keep the torch lit - and to pass it on.

    Best,
    -Craig

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    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:54:58 -0500
    From: Gregg Oppenheimer <gopp@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Unidentified Chicago-based Soap Opera

    I'm trying to identify a radio soap opera, but all I know about it is
    that it was broadcast coast-to-coast some time between 1944 and 1948
    and that it was directed by Burr Lee. Can anyone tell me what show this
    may have been?

    - Gregg Oppenheimer
    [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:55:07 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  11-17 births deaths

    November 17th births

    11-17-1898 - "Quin" Ryan - d. 10-1978
    announcer, actor: "Quin Ryan Reports"; "Uncle Quin"; "Uncle Quin's Scalawags"
    11-17-1901 - Ted Husing - The Bronx, NY - d. 8-10-1962
    announcer, sportscaster: "Sportslants"; "March of Time"; "Radio Reader's
    Digest"
    11-17-1905 - Josef Marais - Sir Lowey's Pass, South Africa - d. 4-26-1978
    singer: "African Trek/Sundown on the Veld"; "Meredith Willson Show"
    11-17-1905 - Mischa Auer - St. Petersburg, Russia - d. 3-5-1967
    actor: "Mischa the Magnificent"
    11-17-1907 - L. Sprague de Camp - NYC - d. 11-6-2000
    science fiction writer: "X-Minus One"; "Future Tense"
    11-17-1911 - Jack Lescoulie - Sacramento, CA - d. 7-22-1987
    announcer, emcee: "Grouch Club"; "Meet the Champions"
    11-17-1916 - Frank Maxwell - The Bronx, NY - d. 8-5-2004
    actor: Uthas P. Garvey "Colonel Humphrey Slack"
    11-17-1918 - Paul Crabtree - Pulaski, VA - d. 3-9-1979
    actor: David Naughton "Claudia and David"
    11-17-1925 - Rock Hudson - Winnetka, IL - d. 10-2-1985
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    11-17-1937 - Peter Cook - Devonshire, England - d 1-9-1995
    actor: "Paul Temple, Dectective"

    November 17th deaths

    06-01-1887 - Clive Brook - London, England - d. 11-17-1974
    actor: Sherlock Holmes "Sherlock Holmes"
    06-15-1861 - Ernestine Schumann-Heink - Prague, Czechoslovkia - d. 11-17-1936
    singer: "Enna Jettick Melodies"; "Hoover Sentinels Serenade"
    07-24-1916 - Bob Eberly - Mechanicsville, NY - d. 11-17-1981
    singer: (Jimmy Dorsey Band)
    08-19-1903 - Claude Dauphin - Corbeil, France - d. 11-17-1978
    actor: "As Easy as [removed]"
    09-15-1904 - Sheilah Graham - London, England - d. 11-17-1988
    gossip columnist: Intermission Guest :Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-05-1903 - Jimmy Ritz - Newark, NJ - d. 11-17-1985
    comedian: (The Ritz Brothers) "Hollywood Hotel"
    11-24-1900 - Ireene Wicker - Quincy, IL - d. 11-17-1987
    actress: (The Singing Lady) Sylvia Bertram "Road of Life"; Eileen Moran
    "Today's Children"
    12-18-1888 - Dame Gladys Cooper - Lewisham, England - d. 11-17-1971
    actress: "Fleischmann's Yeast Hour"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:08:43 -0500
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  In Memory of Dayton Allen and Norman Rose
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain

    On a sad note, Gang:

    Go to  the ENTERTAINMENT INSIDERS website at
    [removed] to
    read brief articles concerning the grossly underreported deaths of TV comic
    Dayton Allen, who died Thursday,
    11/11, at the age of 85 of natural causes, and of OTR character actor Norman
    Rose, who passed away from pneumonia
    on Friday, 11/12, at the age of 87.

    NYC-based Norman Rose did a great deal of radio [removed] lotsa eps of
    CBSRMT. From the aforesaid website,
    I just learned that he used to narrate the TV ads for that ever-popular
    caffeine connoisseur "Juan Valdez," & also
    was hired by National Lampoon to narrate for their LP "Radio Dinner" the poem
    "Deteriorata," which was a hilarious
    send-up of a popular early 1970s recording  by TV host Les Crane of the Max
    Ehrmann poem "Desiderata."

    I'm not sure if Dayton Allen ever was on OTR, but his three major distinctions
    definitely have OTR connexions:
    1) work with Steve Allen; 2) voices for various puppets on "Howdy Doody"; and
    3) his comedy LP "Why Not?',
    which capitalized on his early 1960s catch-phrase.  Allen also provided voices
    for Terrytoons product such as
    "Heckle & Jeckle" and  "Deputy Dawg," and for "Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp."

    One of Allen's survivors is his brother, actor Bradley Bolke, who almost made
    it to the comedy panel at last month's
    FOTR. Bolke was the voice of Nikita Khrushchev on Vaughn Meader's "First
    Family" LPs as well as a cartoon voice-
    man in his own right, having provided voices such as Chumley, the Walrus, &
    Jeraboa Jump on TV's "Tennessee
    Tuxedo & His Tales," & as a dim-witted elf in the holiday season perennial
    "The Year Without a Santa Claus."

    Respectfully,

    Derek Tague

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    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:55:02 -0500
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Rochester

    In a message dated 11/16/2004 12:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

>     I believe the show aired on Jack's birthday, 14 February 1958, so
>     please check the date on the magazine and let us know.

    Yes, that's the correct date.  The magazine is from February 1958 and makes a
    big deal out of Jack's birthday.  Evidently this was the correct show.

    Dixon

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    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:08:42 -0500
    From: "Jim Harmon" <jimharmonotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Fw: TM Bar

    Hello -- I'm offering some observations on the Nov. 12, 13, 14 2004 old time
    radio convention for SPERDVAC.  My wife,  Barbara and I had a good time.  The
    only bad thing is seeing the ranks of the OTR performers and creators
    thinning, and even those of our fellow members.  We went in the hotel site for
    the con, the Hacienda (definitely not Class A, but one the club can afford)
    Friday and saw Anthony Tollin (our recent visitor) directing Harlan Ellison in
    a play from Mysterious Traveler, along with some pros and amateurs.   Harlan
    was fine.  I was only a few feet from him in the first row and he didn't say
    anything to me, or even nod.  We have known each other for about fifty years
    (literally). Tollin said later that he could read the script but he did not
    have his distance vision glasses, and may not have seen me.  He had to drive
    home at night with prescription sunglasses.
        After that presentation at the banquet (bad, almost non-existent food),
    there was a re-creation of Duffy's Tavern with Ben Cooper (often Western in
    films) as Archie, with an original Miss Duffy.   Frank Bresee's  friend,
    Sandra Gould (now gone) also played the part at one time.
    The singer on the show for a time, Bob Graham, did his original part and song
    -- singing near flawlessly Au Capella since there was no orchestra, just
    recorded bridges.  He's about 85.
        Next day we had to get up a five thirty to pick up Frank Bresee at his
    Hollywood Hills house at seven.   I warned Barbara that it was extremely hard
    to find in those narrow, winding streets.   She missed on the first try, but
    rapidly found it on the second.  (I have wondered around there much longer
    trying to find it.)  Frank, Barbara and I got to our panel, which I chaired.
    There were probably too many people involved.  Besides us, there were Frank
    Thomas, Jan Merlin, Hal Stone(radio actors, of course, as well as singers),
    and radio book writers Jim Cox, Jack French, Laura Leff.   I tried to manage
    it as well as possible, and several people (including panelists French and
    Gould complimented me on doing a good job).  Of course, I threw in my usual
    comments from time to time.  French said his book on lady detectives was
    turned down first because he only had
    eleven women and that wasn't enough for a book.   I said "One could go back
    through history.  Alexander Dumas went to his publisher with an idea for a
    novel about a musketeer.  The publisher said "No, no, one musketeer is not
    enough."  For some reason that got a tremendous laugh.
    I went on "And then there was that on-air announcement -- 'Stay tuned for a
    dramatization of "The Three Musketeers" by Alexander Dumbass.' "
        Later we saw a presentation by a group of young professionals, New
    Frequencies,  who do  paid stage presentations of radio drama -- new stuff,
    like a horror story they did (not too bad), and then one of Fibber McGee and
    Molly.   They just did not understand the mood, style, pace of an old show
    like that and it didn't work for me, although most of the audience liked it.
        In the evening there was another banquet with somewhat more filling food
    but not on my diet although I ate it (chicken in batter, green beans, etc.)
    The shows were Jack Benny with very fine Benny impersonator, Eddie Carrol (who
    was on the Benny show as one of the kids in a club, regulars on the series)
    and others.   Then Harold Gould did an excellent job as Fred Allen, ad libbing
    in character, but the material was weak -- three trips of Allen's Alley with
    Senator Claghorn, Mrs. Mussbaum, Alax Cassidy.   Two was enough.  Leave them
    wanting more, not less.
        In between the parts of the official program I saw and talked to many
    people, old friends like Jack French and Millie Morse, Carlton's widow; radio
    people like Barbara Fuller, Claudia on One Man's Family, also Wild Bill
    Elliot's leading lady in films. I gave her a book and sold other books from a
    convenient bag Barbara always totes, buying some, and trading for one.   I
    came out about even.
        This morning we had breakfast with a well-known rightwing activist.   I
    only shook hands with him, but Barbara kissed him.  A few hundred others
    joined us for breakfast (a really bontiful buffet) with Art Linkletter, now 92
    years old.  He gave a long talk afterward, full of hilarious stories.  He did
    lose his train of thought a couple of times and had to be reminded, but he is
    more intelligent than most of the people around under forty.  He is obviously
    a compassionate conservative and has spent the last thirty years doing nothing
    but work for various charities.   He talked about his shows, of course, where
    he talked to kids.  One boy was downcast.  His dog had died only days before.
    Art told him "You will see your dog in Heaven one day."  The kid replied "What
    would God want with a dead dog?"
        When I shook hands with him later I said "I won't wash that hand for a
    year."  He said "I hope it isn't the hand you eat with."
        As I walked back to the car, the guy who runs everything, Bobb Lynnes,
    happened to be walking along with me.  "There should be some kind of special
    Jim Harmon Award, named for you.   None of this would exist without you.
    There was no radio fandom before your 'Great Radio Heroes'.   You changed the
    world."  I must admit I have often thought the same thing, not being very
    modest, but I was glad to hear Bob say it -- it would have been nicer if he
    had said it before the whole convention.
        We went on concerning the subject for awhile, and I pointed out the
    Zeigiest theory of history is that if a prominent figure like Napoleon (naming
    a figure of similar stature to mine) had not lived, someone like him would
    have arouse.   Bob said "Yeah, someone else might have done it, but you did do
    it."  Bless you, Bob -- you have supported OTR on and off the air for many
    years yourself, and ran a fine convention.
        -- Jim Harmon

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    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:34:03 -0500
    From: "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  sexy voice

    On the subject of sexy radio voices, no one's mentioned the show "Lonesome
    Gal." This was a show that had little to offer other than a sexy voice. Does
    anyone out there remember enjoying this show when it was on?

    Mike Leannah
    Sheboygan, Wisconsin

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    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:20:00 -0500
    From: "bobb lynes" <iairotr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Shirley Temple at FBC mic

    Hi,

    Russ Butler asks about the picture of a young Shirley Temple at an old RCA
    mic.  I'm sure it was a publicity/posed shot for one her Fox movies in which
    she appears on a radio show.  Without checking my collection of Shirley's
    films, could the "F" in FBC stand for "Federal", "Federated" or
    [removed]"Fox"?   Just a thought.

    Bobb

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    Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:30:17 -0500
    From: "bobb lynes" <iairotr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ed Kemmer WAS Buzz Corry

    HI,

    Sad to hear about Ed Kemmer's death.  A real nice guy and he WAS Buzz Corry.
      He should've become a much more famous actor than he was.  And he was a
    real life WW2 hero.
    I watched "Space Patrol" from the very first day it was telecast live from
    the old KECA-TV (Channel 7) studios in Hollywood.  That was the original 15
    minute version of the show.  Ed ,Lynn(Cadet Happy), Ken (Robbie),
    Virginia(Carol), Nina (Tonga) were my friends in space for many years and
    adventures after that day.  I even loved "hating" Bela Kovacs (Bacarratti)!
    I recall when Ed Kemmer replaced Glenn Denning (Kit Corry) as the star of
    Space Patrol.    I never missed a show, until I was hospitalized for an
    appendectomy at age 15.  I remember that Lynn Osborn (in real life) had also
    had that operation and Norman Jolley wrote it into the plot, with Happy off
    the series for a while to recuperate. Yes, an appendectomy in the 23rd
    century!   Cadet Happy incouraged me by his [removed] he could  take it,
    so could I.  And I did.
    Ed was a wonderful role model, something all kids (young and old) today are
    sadly in need of.
    I had the pleasure of meeting him at the 1996 SPERDVAC convention when he
    again did his role in a re-creation of Space [removed] he was great!

    So long, Commander!

    Bobb

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    Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:29:12 -0500
    From: JackBenny@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Rochester's heart attack

    Dixon Hayes writes:

>     I wonder if that's the one where Eddie Anderson had an on-set  heart attack
>     during rehearsal.

    Yup, that was the one.  One of the dancers on the show was in contact  with
    me some time ago, and recalled the incident.

    --Laura  Leff
    President, IJBFC
    [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:29:57 -0500
    From: charlie@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
    and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
    over six years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
    of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
    real-time OTR talk!

    Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
    others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
    range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
    it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
    it's always a good time!

    For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
    week and every week!

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    Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:30:32 -0500
    From: "Austotr" <austotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  First Female DJ?

    G'Day folks.

    [removed] is a great site and is about Jean Hay, known as
    Beverly.  However I disagree with the statement on the site saying that "She
    was the world's very first female disc jockey".  The webmaster says that the
    statement refers to the fact that she was the first heard in 54 Countries,
    thanks to AFRS.  But thats not how I read the statement and as I read it,
    the statement is incorrect.  In Australia we had women run their own
    sessions, including spinning discs, in the early 1930s and the idea came
    from the [removed] Does anyone know who was the first Female Disc Jockey (did
    that term exist then?)?

    Who, Male and Female were the first Disc Jockeys (for want of a better term)
    in the [removed] and who may give Jean Hay a run for the World wide title as well?
    What should Jean Hay's claim to fame actually be, there is no doubt she
    deserves a title.  But World's first female Disc Jockey isn't it.

    Ian

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