Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #205
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 5/18/2003 2:52 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 205
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      NBC Theater in 1959                   [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      Art Linkletter                        [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
      Commercials on AFRS                   [ welsa@[removed] ]
      Re: Theater 5                         [ Art Chimes <achimes@[removed]; ]
      Bread & LaRosa                        [ "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@ezlin ]
      Green Hornet Identity                 [ "David Van Nostrand" <dvannost@char ]
      "Heidi" game                          [ "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
      Godfrey and LaRosa                    [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
      Political Broadcast                   [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      THE OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK Schedule  [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
      afrs commercial cuts                  [ michael berger <intercom1@attglobal ]
      "Pacific Holiday"                     [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
      I Love A Mystery                      [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      "All the Little Godfreys"             [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Political advertising                 [ "Ed Ellers" <kd4awq@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 18:01:10 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  NBC Theater in 1959

    Hi Everybody,

    does any shows exist of NBC Theater from 1959?  This was a show produce by
    Highman Brown.  I would like to find the shows staring Gloria DeHaven.  Take
    care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 18:49:43 -0400
    From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Art Linkletter

    My brother was once on Art Linkletter and he won the first transistor
    radio I ever saw.  I wonder if there is a way to find that show or get a
    tape?  My brother has since died and I am not sure I ever heard the show
    he was on.  His name was Karl Yount.  If anybody knows who I can contact,
    please let me know.  By the way, Art was great last night.  Kurt

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    Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:05:10 -0400
    From: welsa@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Commercials on AFRS

    If you've got Acrobat Reader, go to:
    [removed]

    Then scroll down to page 11.  That will explain why the commercials were
    deleted from armed forces broadcasts.

    Ted

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    Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 12:59:52 -0400
    From: Art Chimes <achimes@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Theater 5

    Mark J Cuccia had some comments in Digest 203 about ABC's distribution
    procedures for this 1960s drama series.

    Years ago I borrowed a couple of reels of Theater 5 from SPERDVAC's archive
    library. They were labeled in such a way as to suggest official network
    distribution, not just reels used internally. The label on the box had some
    sort of printed logo with the series title, which I distinctly remember as
    using the numeral 5, not the spelled-out word. (Not sure if they spelled it
    Theatre or Theater, however.)

    The packaging to me suggested that this was a reel meant to be physically sent
    out by the network, not just walked down to Master Control to be played down
    the line. I seem to remember a cue sheet that included segment timings as well
    - just the sort of thing a station engineer would want to have to get those
    local spots into the show.

    Surely in the '60s there would have been many ABC affiliates that would have
    had no interest in this sort of program, and it would seem likely that in
    markets where the affiliate was not clearing Theater 5, the network might well
    have tried to syndicate it to non-affiliates, with distribution by mail.

    As Mark correctly points out, the run time of the show was about 25 minutes,
    but with about four minutes of commercial time, it came out to about 21
    minutes of actual program material.

    Regards,
    Art

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    Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:00:30 -0400
    From: "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Bread & LaRosa

    Hal, it's amazing. You mention how well you enjoyed the aroma
    of bread baking and we get a whole week of bread comments. So
    here's mine. As a youngster in the 1940's, I also listened to all
    those radio shows that were sponsored by all that store bought
    bread. But I've never heard anyone mention home made bread.
    My mother most always baked our own bread. And there's
    nothing that tastes better than a big hunk of home baked bread
    with butter spread on it. It's enough to make you "slop your
    dripper" as this ole country boy from southern Ohio would
    say. Now my wife (who was a 1973 Pillsbury Bake-Off
    Contestant) can make that home made bread just like Mama
    used to bake. Hal, she's going to bake a loaf for you just before
    we leave to come to the Cincy OTR Con next year. Sorry to
    have you wait a whole year but it's just another incentive to
    get you back. If you don't come, we'll just have to give it Bob
    Hastings.

    I've also enjoyed the Julius LaRosa comments. I'm not sure
    when he was fired by Arthur Godfrey, however I recall seeing
    him at a USO in Dallas, Texas sometime between 1955 and
    1956 while serving my last few years in the US Air Force. But
    I do remember this was after Godfrey let him go.

    Don Dean

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    Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:00:37 -0400
    From: "David Van Nostrand" <dvannost@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Green Hornet Identity

    Hi

    I have seen the posts about the show's that Britt Reid's
    identity as the Hornet is revealed.  Does anyone out there
    know where I can get these shows.  I don't have the posting
    where the titles are given.  I remember that it was
    something like "Graft crosses a [removed]"

    Thanks

    Dave

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    Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:00:50 -0400
    From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  "Heidi" game
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    I know this has nothing to do with OTR, but in the interests of clarification,
    and because the incident in question was a milestone in the history of
    television sports broadcasting, I felt I should offer this further
    explanation.
    The famous, or infamous, "Heidi" game was a television broadcast of the
    Oakland Raiders and New York Jets football game on November 17th, 1968.  The
    game began at 4 pm EST and was scheduled to end at 7 pm, when NBC, which was
    telecasting the game, had scheduled a broadcast of "Heidi", the title
    character of Johanna Spyri's 1880 children's tale.   Well, the game ran a
    little long, and at the two minute warning, the Jets had taken a 32-29 lead
    and the Raiders had the ball deep in their own territory.  The network went to
    commercial, and the engineer in charge in New York made the decision to cut
    away from the game and present "Heidi" at its regularly scheduled time for the
    east and central time zones.  The broadcast operations supervisor, Dick Cline,
    had expected someone to call him to instruct him to keep the game on the air,
    but no call came, so the "plug was pulled".  In fact, NBC had already decided
    to keep the football game on the air, but so many people were calling to find
    out if the game would be carried to its conclusion that Chet Simmons, the
    executive in charge, could not get through.
        Needless to say, a firestorm erupted at the switchboard.  Lines were
    jammed all over New York as sports fans called to protest the pre-emption of
    the game.  Worse, the Raiders scored twice in the final two minutes to win the
    game 43-32.  Only fans on the west coast saw the conclusion.
        The episode changed forever the way sports, especially football, were
    telecast by the major networks.  It also demonstrated in a way not previously
    thought possible the devotion of professional football fans.  It made the
    front page of the New York Times.  Val Pinchbeck, the NFL's senior VP of
    broadcast at the time, was quoted as saying, "Whatever you do, you'd better
    not leave an NFL football game."
         Whenever I meet a girl named Heidi, I always enjoy telling her the story
    of the "Heidi" game.  Most people under 50 have no recollection of the game.
    It remains one of the most famous television broadcasts in history.

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    Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:01:58 -0400
    From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Godfrey and LaRosa

    Lee Munsick wrote:

>     Most people with whom I have spoken who have listened to that segment in
>     recent times have agreed
>     that it certainly did not sound like a firing to them.

    I agree that what was said on the air didn't sound like a firing, but when
    the program was over it didn't take long for everyone, most importantly the
    press, to find out what that bit announcing Julie's going on to greater
    things was really all about.    Julie LaRosa had been fired.   So does it
    really matter if it sounded like a 'firing' or not?   it was a firing;  it
    was the way Julius La Rosa found out he was being fired.     I was always a
    big Godfrey fan.   After all he's the man who taught us not to dunk our
    Lipton's tea bag in and out of the cup,  but to let it steep, a lesson I've
    never forgotten.    However, at age 15 I was also a great Julie LaRosa fan
    and one of those very furious with Godfrey.   But I'll always remember the
    good Godfrey years.   I even got to meet Haleloke once.

    The following is from the official Julius LaRosa website: - Irene

    <<And then one night in fall 1953, after Julius LaRosa finished singing,
    "Manhattan," on Arthur Godfrey and his Friends, Godfrey fired him on the
    air. The public was in an uproar. >>

    "Thank God for the press's awareness and the public's awareness! They knew
    that the big guy should never hurt the little guy. And Arthur Godfrey was
    the big guy, trying to hurt this kid, and that's why they turned on him. And
    the public turned on him really bad.

    "The man literally is the father of my career and I'll always be grateful to
    him. But it turned out he wasn't a very nice man."

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    Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:02:23 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Political Broadcast

>     Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:17:38 -0400
>     From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];

>     Dewey accused FDR of causing the deaths of many servicemen by not
>     having the country adequately prepared for war.     One of the biggest
>     themes was to suggest a connection between FDR and communism, or at
>     least communists.    ... Everything old is new again.

    Older than you might think.  Impugning their opponents' patriotism has
    been a Republican campaign theme since Ulysses S. Grant.  In those days
    it was called "waiving the bloody shirt."

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:02:29 -0400
    From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  THE OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK Schedule for the
     Week of: 5/18/03

    Here's the lineup for this week on the OTRN - Streaming high-end
    audio 24/7 at:  [removed].  New shows start every
    Sunday.

    SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges
    1. YOUR RADIO HALL OF FAME   4/22/45   "Alter Ego" by
    Arch Oboler.  Stars Mercedes McCambridge, and Ann Shepard.
    Host is: Clifton Fadiman.  Cast includes: Tom Howard and the entire
    cast of "It Pays To Be Ignorant."  and Mildred Bailey.
    2. SUSPENSE   2/7/48  CBS     "Donovan's Brain"  starring
    John McIntyre.

    HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood
    1. THE CHARLIE McCARTHY SHOW    NBC   11/17/46
    Guest:  Tallulah Bankhead.
    2. FIBBER McGEE & MOLLY     NBC   3/3/53    Fibber plans
    breakfast in bed for Molly.
    THE COLGATE SPORTS NEWSREEL with BILL STERN    NBC
    Pgrm. #302   8/17/45   Guest:  "Captain"  Eddy Rickenbacker.

    Enjoy -- Tom & Jerry

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    Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:02:46 -0400
    From: michael berger <intercom1@[removed];
    To: otr <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  afrs commercial cuts

    I was stationed at AFRTS in 1961 as a film editor with
    one task: cutting commercials and inserting "public
    service" spots into TV shows. I was told that the CMs
    were cut because of Dept. of Defense regulations
    prohibiting CMs on AFRTS programming. Something about
    the DoD not wanting to be seen as endorsing any [removed]

    Michael Berger

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    Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:03:49 -0400
    From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  "Pacific Holiday"

    In Issue 198 Shawn Wells asked about a couple of Australian Transcriptions
    he had bought.

>     Greetings! Reciently I bought a couple Australian Transcriptions of a
>     program titled "Pacific Holiday," and I'm wondering if anyone may have some
>     information on it. I would guess, from references in the show itself, that
>     it was produced in the late 40's - early 50's.

    Shawn, I don't know the series and it is not in our database.  If you would
    like to send me the matrix info directly, then I can get the correct dates
    for you.  I do have AWA catalogues from that time and the program is not
    listed, though that doesn't mean much.

    Re:

>     It has what looks like a postage stamp on it, that has [removed] 2/6
>     SYDNEY, typed on it.

    Shawn, the AMCO stamps are tax duty stamps payable to the Government on each
    recording pressed, tax payable was 2 shillings and 6 pence.

    Hope this helps.  If you are interested in trading the transcriptions or
    recordings of them, please let me know.

    Ian Grieve
    Moderator
    Australian OTR Group

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    Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:04:06 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  I Love A Mystery

    Hi Everybody,

    my dad is a big fan of I Love A Mystery and I would like to give him a copy
    of the three I Love A Mystery movies for Father day.  Does any one know
    where I can get a copy of the movies?  I am also like to obtain copies of
    the below I Love A Mystery radio shows.

    1.  Temple of Vampires 2-15-40
    2.  Snake with the Diamond Eye

    A.  4-11-40 Episode 11
    B.  episode 13
    3.  The Tropic Don,t Call It Murder
    A.  11-18-40
    B.  12-2-40
    C.  12-9-40
    4.  Eight Kind of Murder 6-30-41

    5.  Monster in the Mansion
    A.  11-3-41
    B.  11-10-41
    6.  Secret Passage to Death
    A.  12-1-41
    B.  120-8-41
    7.  The Hermit of San Felipe Atabapo 11-22-43
    8.  I am the Destroyer of Woman 5-12-44

    Thank you for any help,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:05:37 -0400
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "All the Little Godfreys"

    Dixon Hayes raised the following point:

>     Didn't *anyone* ever think it struck them as being rather egomaniacal to
>     call his supporting cast "the Little Godfreys"?  Or did he do that on
>     purpose as a joke?

    Yes, this very point has been raised in print before.  And no, it was far
    from a joke.  Actually, "he" didn't do it at [removed] am told by several
    people closely connected to Mr. Godfrey, that this reference was kind of
    forced on them all by the CBS PR people, thinking it would be nice to lay a
    "family" sort of name on the entire cast, band, announcer, et al.  Mr.
    Godfrey said he did not like it, and thought it condescending.  But the
    name had caught on, and they were all stuck with it.

    Then there's "The Ol' Redhead".  Arthur Godfrey absolutely hated that as
    well.  I have his writing begging another author not to use it.  Jack King,
    a major aviation writer and fellow pilot to Mr. Godfrey, wrote a marvelous
    book about their mutual friend Dick Merrill, veteran aviation pioneer and
    later Chief Pilot at Eastern Air Lines.  King's work included a chapter
    about Merrill's friendship and activities with pioneer aviator Godfrey (who
    started actively flying in 1929, the same year his radio career began).

    Material for an additional work by Jack King about pilot Godfrey rests in
    the Arthur Godfrey archives at the Aviation Hall of Fame at Teterboro
    Airport in New Jersey.  Yes, the same Teterboro that broadcaster Godfrey
    made internationally famous by his constant references.  It was the
    northern terminus of his weekly commutes between there and his home in
    Leesburg, Virginia.  Leesburg Municipal Airport, which came into being to a
    large extent due to Mr. Godfrey's largesse, is known there as "Arthur
    Godfrey Field".  It is a newer, larger, much better successor to what
    aviator Godfrey lovingly referred to as the "Leesburg International Cow
    Pasture".

    Pilot Godfrey kept his various aircraft in the Atlantic Aviation hangar at
    TEB for many years, and maintained an office there for himself and his
    crew.  That hangar was recently replaced by a huge, modern Atlantic
    terminal.  But the famous "Teterboro Tower" of incident, joke and song
    still exists, although the actual flight control activities have been moved
    to a newer, more modern tower on the other side of the field, next to the
    Aviation Hall of Fame.

    Broadcaster/pilot Godfrey's references to "Hank Esposito" of the Atlantic
    Aviation staff made Henry J. Esposito nearly as famous as Teterboro Airport
    itself.  Hank Esposito, now in his 80s, only recently retired from
    Atlantic.  A truly beloved and respected figure at Teterboro and throughout
    the business aviation world, he was immediately ensconced in another office
    with a firm across the street, at his endeared Teterboro Airport.  Leesburg
    Municipal Airport, which came into being to a large extent due to Mr.
    Godfrey's largesse, is known there as "Arthur Godfrey Field".

    In the material at the Hall of Fame are galley proofs from Jack King, which
    had been read by Mr. Godfrey.  Every time Mr. King uses "the ol' redhead"
    as an alternate designation for Mr. Godfrey, Godfrey's marginalia grows
    increasingly annoyed, pleading that the appellation which he found annoying
    be removed.  Oddly, he didn't mind the "old".  Some of "the little
    Godfreys" referred to him as "the old man", just as Thomas Edison's aides
    did for the great inventor.  "The old man" is standard military reference
    to commanding officers, particularly in the [removed] Navy, in which swabby
    Godfrey (later full Commander Arthur M. Godfrey, [removed]) spent a number
    of years.

    He wasn't really a redhead--as an adult, at least, he had a gorgeous auburn
    mane--but he enjoyed that allusion.  But put them together, and he saw red.

    But "little Godfreys" and "ol' redhead" stuck to this day, and obviously
    are part of broadcasting history, just as are, unfortunately, references to
    Mr. Godfrey "firing" Julius LaRosa, which simply is not true.

    Lee Munsick

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    Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:38:27 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

       From Those Were The Days --

    1942 - David Harding, Counterspy was heard on the NBC Blue network for
    the first time.

       Joe

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    Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 13:39:05 -0400
    From: "Ed Ellers" <kd4awq@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Political advertising

    Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; wrote:

    "Section 315 of the Communications Act of 1934 REQUIRED stations to make
    available time on an equal basis to all candidates for a particular public
    office if they make time available to any candidate for that office.  That
    doesn't mean requiring stations to give free time to candidates if their
    opponents buy time.  One buys then they can all buy.  One gets free than
    they all HAVE TO get free.  They could refuse to sell time at all, but the
    FCC has considered that type of decision to not be in the public interest."

    That last applies to state and local elections; the FCC *requires* stations
    to provide air time to candidates for Federal office, to a reasonable
    extent.  (Lately some candidates have attempted to use that provision to
    force public TV stations to give them free air time.)

    Another provision is that candidates must be sold air time at the "lowest
    unit rate" that any other advertiser would be charged for the spot in
    question.  This has been controversial because many stations sell
    "preemptible" spots at low prices on the understanding that the spot can be
    canceled if someone else offers to pay more for it; under "lowest unit rate"
    candidates must then be offered that preemptible rate, even though their
    spots can't be preempted.

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