Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #100
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 3/16/2002 12:23 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 100
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: Releasing "Archie"                [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Glow in the dark premium              [ "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed] ]
      The Voice of the OTR Digest           [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      Here we go again!                     [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
      Decoders                              [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      Re: Dragnet                           [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Lux Radio Theater Sighting            [ "[removed] Wright" <[removed]@[removed] ]
      SFX KIT & SCRIPT PREMIUM              [ Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@doityours ]
      Haunting Hour                         [ "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@ho ]
      RE: RADIO DAYS                        [ Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@doityours ]
      Leiningen VS The Ants                 [ Roger Lorette <roger@[removed]; ]
      the Big Story                         [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
      LR "Blackout KIt"                     [ "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed] ]
      Leiningen versus the Ants             [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      The Big Story                         [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Leiningen vs the ants                 [ Christopher Lowell White <cncwhite@ ]
      The Lone Ranger                       [ "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@nfoli ]
      It Keeps Going And Going And ,,,      [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      March 15, 1945                        [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
      request bio on CBS' Irwin Darlington  [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
      Ooooh! What You Said!                 [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      "Strange"                             [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
      The Big Story                         [ "Irene Heinstein" <[removed] ]
      Re: Shipping outside USA              [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:19:43 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Re: Releasing "Archie"

    On 3/15/02 11:09 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     This is [removed] I'm glad to know that many of this fine series exists.
>     With the permission of one of the actors (Hal), and with the help of a
>     researcher (maybe Elizabeth or some other fine person here) is there any
>     chance of the Library of Congress releasing them?

    It's not that difficult to get copies of LOC materials - but it does take
    time, patience, and money. Before the Library can allow copies to be
    made, the person requesting the copies must present written permission
    from the copyright holder or holders, and then must pay the lab fee for
    having the copies made, which the last time I looked was around $86 an
    hour.

    In the case of "Archie," it would be necessary to secure permission from
    NBC -- which donated the discs to the Library -- and from Archie Comics
    Publications, which owns the copyright on the programs themselves.
    Securing NBC permission is usually a simple matter -- you send a letter
    to a specified attorney at NBC Legal in New York, and about two months
    later you get a contract from NBC to be signed in duplicate which forbids
    you from circulating the recordings in any way. That gets sent back to
    NBC Legal, and they then authorize the LOC to release the materials to
    you. I've never dealt with the legal people at Archie, so I'm not sure
    how cooperative they would be in authorizing the use of the recordings.
    And then, of course, there's the question of who can afford to pay the
    lab fees.

    Given the high cost of getting access to the recordings I think the best
    bet, rather than having individuals try to get hold of these programs, is
    for a *dealer* to negotiate the commercial rights to do so: that way,
    there's at least a chance of making a return on the investment. Given the
    fact that Archie is still a well-recognized property, and that Hal
    himself has become such a well-liked fellow in OTR circles, an "Archie"
    boxed set might sell fairly well (especially if the marketers had the
    sense to hire Hal to write the accompanying booklet!) Obtaining
    commercial rights would require more negotiation with NBC and Archie
    Comics than simply obtaining single copies for private research, but it
    *could* be done.

    The only drawback to such a plan is that the chance of making back the
    investment would have to be balanced against the possibility of the
    programs being duped for free on Usenet or sold on pirate CDs via eBay.
    As much as I hate to raise That Subject again, the fact remains that it's
    probably the biggest obstacle to any dealer making the committment to
    clear the rights to uncirculated materials: if they know in advance
    they're going to be undercut by MP3ers the instant the programs are
    released, there isn't much incentive to spend the money that has to be
    spent in order to release them. To get all the "Archie" episodes in the
    LOC onto the market would require an investment of more than $4000 just
    for LOC lab fees. On top of that, you'd need to pay for post-production
    work on the raw LOC dubs, and both Archie Comics and NBC would be
    standing by with hands extended waiting to receive their percentages of
    the profits on the sale of the recordings.

    The question is, then, *is* there enough of a market to both cover the
    costs of production and offset the losses that would result from the
    inevitable MP3ing of the materials? Given the choice, would "Archie" fans
    support the effort to release the shows by purchasing the set  -- or
    would they wait to download it for free?

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:16:24 -0500
    From: "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Glow in the dark premium

    In 1941 a Lone Ranger Glow-in-the-dark "Safety Belt" was offered with
    pictures of the Lone Ranger etc on it. In the fifties a Filmstrip Saddle
    Ring w/16mm LR Scenes used to expose images in glow in the dark surfaces.
    Thats about all I can find in the glow in the dark category.

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:09:31 -0500
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: The Voice of the OTR Digest

    Recovering from my seventh eye surgery, and having great difficulty
    looking at even the newly subdued glare of my monitor, I have taken to
    opening the Digest in the Eudora email utility and hitting the "Speak"
    command. Apparently Eudora uses a proprietary female voice, not one of
    the several that come installed in the Macintosh system. The voice
    started out a fairly typical modern computer voice, dignified, female,
    almost human but free of any discernable accent. After a few moments,
    though, for some reason, it began to pick up speed a bit and the pitch
    rose slightly. The remainder of the OTR Digest was read aloud to me by
    my computer in, I swear, the voice of My Friend Irma.

    Or, possibly, I'm going quite mad.

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:06:31 -0500
    From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Here we go again!
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    Not trying to resurrect an ancient thread here, so PLEASE don't start
    one, for Charlie's sake and [removed] But I thought readers of the Digest
    would be interested in this PR from Media Bay/Radio Spirits:

    MediaBay, Inc. a leading provider of spoken audio and nostalgia products,
    including audiobooks and old-time radio shows, announced today that its
    Radio Spirits subsidiary -- the world's leading distributor of classic
    radio programs -- has obtained exclusive rights to the entire catalogue
    of "The Abbott & Costello Program."
    "It is an honor to be entrusted with the exclusive rights to the classic
    radio shows of these American legends. Abbott & Costello products have
    always been among our top sellers. This long-term exclusive reproduction
    and distribution rights agreement will allow us to create new and
    exciting products to be distributed through our strong foundation of
    marketing channels including our Radio Spirits catalog and more than
    7,000 retail outlets. We look forward to our continued success in
    marketing and selling these truly remarkable programs."

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:08:31 -0500
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Decoders

>     Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:17:13 -0500
>     From: "Irene Heinstein" <[removed]@[removed];

>     Don't know but a Captain Midnight decoder ring was mentioned in an episode
>     of the BBC scifi TV program Doctor Who.

    Back in the mid-1970s, President Ford tried to tackle inflation by getting people to wear WIN
    buttons ("Whip Inflation Now").  There was a coupon in the daily newspaper to send to the
    White House to get your button.  It read, "Dear President Ford.  I enlist for the duration as an
    inflation fighter and energy saver.  I will do my very best for America."  Then it had a place to
    fill in your name and address to get your WIN button.

    This seemed strangely familiar.  So I wrote a letter to the editor of the Boston Globe, which
    was published in the letters column.  It read as follows:

    Dear President Ford:

    I enlist for the duration as an inflation fighter and energy saver.  I will do my very best for
    America.  I enclose 50 cents in coin, a Kellogg's Pep boxtop, and an Ovaltine seal.  Please
    rush me my WIN button and CIA Decoder Badge, so that I can be the first on my block to
    have one!

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:13:28 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Re: Dragnet

     Michael Hayde wrote --

>     The true "old episodes" from the 1950's continue to be scarcer than hen's
>     teeth.

      There are four free episodes on [removed] .  You need
    to register (free) and click "classic tv" then "C-D" and they are on the
    bottom of page two.  There are a couple available on the plus (non free)
    side as well, all are streaming programs.  Movie Flix also has a variety
    of old movies as well.
      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:06:58 -0500
    From: "[removed] Wright" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: Lux Radio Theater Sighting

    Just a minor [removed]

    In the "Beamer's Last Case" episode of the tv series Rockford Files,
    detective Jim Rockford evaluates a tape recording made by wannbe detective
    and auto mechanic Beamer as being "...two-thirds Lux Radio [removed]"

    That episode, first aired in 1977 I think, was broadcast on March 8, 11pm
    CST in the cable channel TVLand's current airing of Rockford [removed]

    aj wright // ajwright@[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:08:49 -0500
    From: Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@[removed];
    To: "Radio  Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: SFX KIT & SCRIPT PREMIUM

    I remember sending away for a Premium that was a SFX Kit and a script to
    perform a radio show, but can't remember the program that offered it.

    The SFX were geared to the script and included: Two small pieces of sandpaper
    for a match effect, cellophane for fire. That is all I remember what the kit
    contained.  Can anyone help with this Premium?

    Thanks,

    Kevin

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:05:58 -0500
    From: "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Haunting Hour

    I've been looking for a "Haunting Hour" log or the dates for four shows I've
    acquired. Here are the shows:
    "Murder Wears A Strange Mask"
    "Bird Of Death"
    "Ptolemy's Grave"
    "The Lonesome Corpse"
    I know the shows were available from Metacom or some other cassette house at
    one time, but can't find the dates. If they were syndicated, what year were
    they made? It doesn't seem to be a show in high regard, but, naturally,
    writing the titles without the dates is anathema to the audiophile in me.
    Thanks.

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:03:17 -0500
    From: Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@[removed];
    To: "Radio  Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: RE: RADIO DAYS

    In issue # 98 Stephen Kallis mentions that 'Radio Days' was the reminisces of
    Gene Sheppard. Well Stephen, as my sainted Dad used to say. 'you got the
    right Church. but the wrong pew'!  'Radio Days' was the memories of Woody
    Allen's youth, where Gene Shepard's memories was told in the movie 'A
    Christmas Story'.  Check the imdb at [removed] for the details.

    Kevin mICHAELS

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:09:59 -0500
    From: Roger Lorette <roger@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Leiningen VS The Ants

    I have an MP3 recording of Escape from Jan 14, 1948 of "Leiningen vs the
    Ants".  It probable is the one you're looking for.  I've also seen it online
    in Real Audio at [removed] .

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:17:51 -0500
    From: Jer51473@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: the Big Story

     It ran on NBC for 8 years beginning April 2, 1947 and went to tv in the
    early fifties

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:14:01 -0500
    From: "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: LR "Blackout KIt"

    The only evidence of the Lone Ranger Blackout Kit offer I can find is in
    1942.

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:11:41 -0500
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Leiningen versus the Ants

    Richard writes, in reply to Rfmalone:

>     From: Rfmalone@[removed]
>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject: Leiningen !!!
>     Leiningen versus the Ants was an Escape episode. I have no dates but I`m sure
>     it is readily available from one of the OTR dealers. Maybe someone else can
>     come up with more Infro.
>     Richard

    I remember hearing this on radio station KNX here in the Los Angeles area
    twice in the last couple of years, on their "Drama Hour" broadcast.
    Their website is: [removed]
    They webcast the previous night's Drama Hour show for your listening
    pleasure, at your convenience at [removed]
    This KNX site also has lots of other OTR features, including links to other
    OTR sites, where "Leiningen versus the Ants" might be available for
    download or purchase.

    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:07:46 -0500
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: The Big Story

>     One of my favorite programs was called "The Big Story" sponsored by Pall
>     Mall cigarettes. I have found no listings for it an any of the radio logs
>     I've so far discovered, and I've seen no reference to it in this digest.

    Yes, it did exist and I have at least a partial copy. An acquaintance of my
    father's was featured on the show. He was one of the reporters who won the
    money. Like my dad, who was also a newspaperman, his story dealt with the
    mysterious death of a woman which my dad's friend hunted for the story
    until the killer was found. Unfortunately, the story I have is only the
    last half of the show, so it is not complete.

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:05:45 -0500
    From: Christopher Lowell White <cncwhite@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Leiningen vs the ants

    Someone recently posted this:

>     Does anyone know where I can find the show "Leiningen Versus the Ants"?  I
>     believe that it was an episode of "Escape"
>     (possibly "Suspense") from around 1950.

    "Escape" did do several boradcasts of this story throughout the latter part
    of the 40's and several times in the 50's (no "Suspense"). I have all of
    these in the mp3 format which may be played on several portable cd players
    and most computers. I'm sorry but I don't have the technology to burn this
    onto a CD-R.

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:07:56 -0500
    From: "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: The Lone Ranger

    I just watched an episode of The Lone Ranger on the
    Westerns Channel featuring John Hart as LR. He didn't
    appeal to me at all. I kept wondering when the real Lone
    Ranger (Clayton Moore) would ride into the scene.

    Don Dean

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:13:53 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: It Keeps Going And Going And ,,,

    In responding to a question about a "decoder ring" being mentioned in the
    movie, Radio Days, Irene H noted,

>     Don't know but a Captain Midnight decoder ring was mentioned in an
>     episode of the BBC scifi TV program Doctor Who.

    ... which goes to show how far the legend has spread, seeing that the
    radio show wasn't broadcast by the BBC, as far as I can tell.

    Mention of the "Captain Midnight Decoder Ring," and even other supposed
    OTR premiums is one of those things that gets miles ahead of the truth.
    I saw reference to "Captain Midnight Decoder Ring" in an issue of one of
    the Marvel Comics' "Avengers" comic books, and have heard quite a few
    references to it in talk-show broadcasts and even in conversation.  In
    Davis Newton's recent (1997) Encyclopedia of Cryptology, under the entry
    "Radio Serials," he notes, "Opportinities were offered to obtain decoder
    rings, badges, and other simple cipher devices that could be used for the
    transmission of messages from broadcast hero or heroine to listeners or
    between listeners."  [I do not entirely fault Newton: OTR Cryptology is
    such a specialized field I suspect that there are fewer than 300 people
    alive who know very much about it.  However, an entry like that may some
    years down the road be used as a citation is some scholarly work,
    "proving" the assertion of OTR decoder rings.]  And here's a problem: the
    OTR world and the Cryptological world are far enough removed so that the
    chances of cross-referencing are slight.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:07:12 -0500
    From: Grbmd@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: March 15, 1945

>     >From Herb Hobler's book, "...and Now the news, 1945":

    "NBC President Niles Trammell says news is a public service and, therefore,
    says no more commercial breaks in the middle of the news."

    Wonderful!

    Now, tell me, whatever happened to such broadcast principles?

    Spence

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:03:27 -0500
    From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: request bio on CBS' Irwin Darlington

    I'd like any biographical info on longtime CBS Staff Announcer Irwin
    Darlington (spelled right?)  Who was around from the 40s to the 60s.

    Thanks,

    Eric Cooper

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:16:59 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Ooooh!  What You Said!

    Cynthia, who pointed out that in The Shadow, Lamont Cranston and Margo
    Lane had separate rooms when traveling, muses,

>     I always had the sense of an quasi-family, almost-sibling relationship
>     between Lamont and Margo ... but I could be wrong

    Well, I never thought that.  If for no other reason that, save for some
    notorious sections of backwoods rurality, brothers and sisters rarely
    referred to each other as "darling."  :-)

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:17:43 -0500
    From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: "Strange"

    Hello.  I have just begun listening to a show featured on "The Glowing
    Dial," site announced a few days ago.  It is a show simply called
    "Strange," hosted by Walter Gibson.  I am wondering if this is the same
    Walter Gibson who wrote "The Shadow" novels.  If so, now is a chance to
    hear his voice for those who are curious.  Regardless, does anyone have a
    list of any other radio appearances he might have made?  The show credits
    him as an author and expert on the supernatural, so I am thinking this
    could be the same Gibson.  As always, any help is appreciated.  Thanks.

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:13:05 -0500
    From: "Irene Heinstein" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject: The Big Story

    It From: "Edward Loyer"

>     I clearly remember The Big Story sponsored by Pall Mall cigarettes as a
>     television show broadcast circa 1952-53, but I don't remember as a radio
>     show at all.

    I dug out an old radio book I had which was published in 1973.   It includes
    The Big Story and the info that it was first heard over NBC in 1947 and was
    sponsored by Pall Mall.  The narrator was Robert Sloane and the announcer
    Ernest Chappell.  The actual reporter of the dramatized stories was
    introduced on the air and congratulated for his story.

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    Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:20:27 -0500
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject: Re: Shipping outside USA

    At 11:19 PM 3/15/02 -0500, you wrote:

>     Only one US dealer has been prepared to sell to me on MP3. Other dealers using
>     other formats appear equally reluctant. Can anyone tell me why?
>     Hungry OTR fan.

    Shipping is more expensive outside of the USA and there is some extra paper
    work involved. But, we do it all the time.

    Fred
    For the best in Old Time Radio Shows [removed]

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