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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2007 : Issue 325
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Gunsmoke Jokes                        [ "Malibob@[removed]" <Malibob@ea ]
      Re: Gildersleeve movies               [ "Carl J. Chimi" <cchimi@[removed]; ]
      Cinnamon Bear start date?             [ "Danica L. Stein" <furrygirl@comcas ]
      11-17 births/deaths                   [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      Gunsmoke Thank you                    [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
      This week in radio history 18-24 Nov  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Re: Gildersleeve movies               [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Cereal Sponsors                       [ jack and cathy french <OTRpiano@ver ]

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    Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:48:15 -0500
    From: "Malibob@[removed]" <Malibob@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Gunsmoke Jokes

    Contributor Jim Erskine asks about practical jokes on Gunsmoke.  When I
    started my producing career at CBS in the late 1960s I was lucky enough to
    work with Ray Kemper and Tom Hanley.  As you may know, Ray and Tom not only
    designed the sound patterns for many CBS radio shows including Gunsmoke but
    also wrote a few.

    At one time or another, during our working relationship, both Ray and Tom
    gifted me with quarter inch audio tape copies of some of their shows. Among
    these were a few reels of Gunsmoke out takes and goofs.  The Gunsmoke cast
    and crew were a fun-loving bunch and took great liberties with script,
    sound effects and music during their dress rehearsals. Most notably among
    those (and widely circulated on the internet) is the rehearsal for an
    episode entitled "The New Hotel."

    But the audio practical joke Mr. Erskine refers to wasn't an actual episode
    or strictly a practical joke played by Bill Conrad.  It was part of a reel
    of goofs and out takes assembled and cut together (with a razor blade) most
    likely by Kemper, Hanley and/or Bill James (another Gunsmoke sound pattern
    creator).  The complete reel also features promo out takes between Conrad
    and George Walsh and repartee between the cast and other crew members
    including script supervisor, Fran Gafney and composer/conductor Rex Khoury.

    Sadly, my copies of these priceless tapes were destroyed in a Malibu fire
    back on the 1980s along with the rest of my radio collection. But, the
    memory of them and my friendship with Kemper and Hanley is something I
    continue to hold dear.

    Perhaps other contributors can fill in more of the blanks.

    Bob Curti

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    Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:51:43 -0500
    From: "Carl J. Chimi" <cchimi@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Gildersleeve movies

>     keep in mind that only Hal Peary, Lillian Randolph and Richard LeGrande
>     reprise their radio roles

    Actually, in one of them, Earl Ross appears as Judge Hooker.  But it's a
    VERY small appearance and he might not even speak.  I can't remember now
    which of the movies it is, but of the four I'm pretty sure it's not the
    first two.

    I agree with your assessment of these movies.  They are worth viewing (I'll
    be recording them for pristine copies), but they bear only a passing
    resemblance to the radio show.

    One of the things I think is amazing is that Hal Peary, almost 40 years
    before DeNiro was acclaimed for doing the same thing, put on a LOT of weight
    to play his role as Gildersleeve.  He actually looks unhealthy with that
    weight, and unhappy about it.  But he's a decent actor.

    Anyway - the radio programs rule.  I'm on my second time through the
    complete set (as complete as I can make it - 520 or so of them) and it is as
    good the second time as the first time.  Just a charming program.

    While I'm at it, I'd like to ask a question.  When Chuck Schaden ran When
    Radio Was, he ran an Easter episode of Gildersleeve that he said first ran
    on April 16, 1957.  It's definitely a Waterman episode.  That date would
    make it the latest of the original run of episodes that I've ever seen.
    Unlike all the other episodes I have from around that era of the show, some
    of which are only fragments, this one is well-recorded, and it's a full
    half-hour episode.  Does anyone know the provenance of this episode?  Is Mr.
    Schaden's date for it correct?  Is there some source for dating Gildersleeve
    episodes?

    Prof

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    Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:33:47 -0500
    From: "Danica L. Stein" <furrygirl@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cinnamon Bear start date?

    I have a question for Cinnamon Bear expert Dennis Crow!

    Isn't the series supposed to end on Christmas Eve? [removed], wouldn't you
    always play Episode 1 on November 29, Episode 2 on November 30, etc.;
    regardless of when Thanksgiving falls?

    I want to get it right, in honor of Paddy's 70th anniversary! Thank you!

    Danica

    Danica L. Stein
    Poultney, VT
    furrygirl@[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:33:58 -0500
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  11-17 births/deaths

    November 17th deaths

    11-17-1878 - Grace Abbott - d. 7-19-1939
    talks for mothers: "Your Child"
    11-17-1897 - Frank Fay - San Francisco, CA - d. 9-25-1961
    actor: "Jack Oakie's College"; "Rudy Vallee Show"
    11-17-1898 - "Quin" Ryan - d. 10-xx-1978
    announcer, actor: "Quin Ryan Reports"; "Uncle Quin"; "Uncle Quin's
    Scalawags"
    11-17-1899 - Toscha Seidel - Odessa, Ukraine - d. 11-15-1962
    violin virtuoso: Staff musician for CBS
    11-17-1905 - Josef Marais - Sir Lowey's Pass, South Africa - d.
    4-26-1978
    singer: "African Trek/Sundown on the Veld"; "Meredith Willson Show"
    11-17-1905 - Mischa Auer - St. Petersburg, Russia - d. 3-5-1967
    actor: "Mischa the Magnificent"
    11-17-1907 - L. Sprague de Camp - NYC - d. 11-6-2000
    science fiction writer: "X-Minus One"; "Future Tense"
    11-17-1911 - Jack Lescoulie - Sacramento, CA - d. 7-22-1987
    announcer, emcee: "Grouch Club"; "Meet the Champions"
    11-17-1916 - Bill Rogers - Thompsonville, MI
    commentator, announcer: "Bill Rogers and the News"; "Hoot'nanny"
    11-17-1916 - Frank Maxwell - The Bronx, NY - d. 8-5-2004
    actor: Uthas P. Garvey "Colonel Humphrey Slack"
    11-17-1917 - Byron Keith - Illinois - d. 1-19-1996
    Started his career in radio in Boise, Idaho in the 1930s
    11-17-1918 - Paul Crabtree - Pulaski, VA - d. 3-9-1979
    actor: David Naughton "Claudia and David"
    11-17-1922 - Jack Farren - NYC - d. 6-25-1997
    announcer: "Under Arrest"
    11-17-1925 - Rock Hudson - Winnetka, IL - d. 10-2-1985
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    11-17-1931 - Wayne J. Andre - d. 8-26-2003
    trombonist: Benny Goodman Orchestra; Woody Herman Orchestra
    11-17-1935 - Audrey (Grace) Thomas - Binghamton, NY
    writer: "Once Your Submarine Cable is Gone"
    11-17-1937 - Peter Cook - Devonshire, England - d. 1-9-1995
    satirist, writer, comedian: "Why Bother"

    November 17th deaths

    01-30-1928 - Ruth Brown - Portsmouth, VA - d. 11-17-2006
    singer: "Newport Jazz Festival"
    02-01-1894 - James P. Johnson - New Brunswick, NJ - d. 11-17-1955
    pianist: "Eddie Condon's Jazz Concerts"; "This is Jazz"
    04-14-1916 - Emerson Buckley - NYC - d. 11-17-1989
    conductor: "Two Thousand Plus"; "Murder By Experts"
    06-01-1887 - Clive Brook - London, England - d. 11-17-1974
    actor: Sherlock Holmes "Sherlock Holmes"
    06-15-1861 - Ernestine Schumann-Heink - Prague, Czechoslovkia - d.
    11-17-1936
    singer: "Enna Jettick Melodies"; "Hoover Sentinels Serenade"
    06-19-1909 - Maurice Zimm - Waterloo, IA - d. 11-17-2005
    writer: "The Man Who Sang"
    06-19-1912 - Jerry Jerome - Brooklyn, NY - d. 11-17-2001
    musician: "Eileen Barton Show"; "Mirth and Madness"
    07-24-1916 - Bob Eberly - Mechanicsville, NY - d. 11-17-1981
    singer: (Jimmy Dorsey Band)
    08-19-1903 - Claude Dauphin - Corbeil, France - d. 11-17-1978
    actor: "As Easy as [removed]"
    09-15-1904 - Sheilah Graham - Leeds, England - d. 11-17-1988
    gossip commentator: "Heinz Magazine of the Air"; "Sheilah Graham"
    10-05-1903 - Jimmy Ritz - Newark, NJ - d. 11-17-1985
    comedian: (The Ritz Brothers) "Hollywood Hotel"
    11-22-1895 - Alexander Laszlo - Budapest, Hungary - d. 11-17-1970
    orchestra leader: "This Is Your Life"
    11-24-1900 - Ireene Wicker - Quincy, IL - d. 11-17-1987
    actor: (The Singing Lady) Sylvia Bertram "Road of Life"; Eileen Moran
    "Today's Children"
    11-26-1913 - Bill Baldwin - Pueblo, CO - d. 11-17-1982
    announcer: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"; "Mario Lanza Show"
    12-18-1888 - Gladys Cooper - Lewisham, England - d. 11-17-1971
    actor: "Fleischmann's Yeast Hour"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 03:34:16 -0500
    From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Gunsmoke Thank you

    "Fall Semester" Thank you Stewart Wright and Karen Lerner helping with
    Gunsmoke  episode dated May 30, 1953.
    I have looked in logs and would have never realized  that a episode
    about cold brand and foreman stealing from his boss would be called
    "Fall Semester" where did the get these titles?  Just found another
    Gunsmoke that I didn't have a name for. It  is titled
    "DODGE PODGE" 6/9/57,  a cattle rancher hates a sheep rancher and cattle
    man feels the sheep man is a bad influencing his son so he go to kill
    the sheep man but killed his son by [removed] did it the mane "DODGE
    PODGE" ???

    Thank you for your help Karen & Stewart.

    Frank McGurn

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    Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:11:25 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  This week in radio history 18-24 Nov

      From Those Were The Days --

    11/18

    1307 - The story of William Tell shooting the apple off of his young
    son's noggin is said to have taken place on this day.

    (If it hadn't been for Tell there would have been no opera, if there had
    been no opera there would have been no overture, if there had been no
    overture the Lone Ranger wouldn't have had the theme music we know.
    That's a joke son, I say that's a joke).

    11/20

    1929 - The first broadcast of The Rise of the Goldbergs, with Gertrude
    Berg as Molly, was heard on the NBC Blue network. Later, the title would
    be shortened to The Goldbergs. Mrs. Berg, incidentally, wrote the first
    scripts for the 15-minute program and starred in the show -- for $75 a
    week. ($810 in 2005 dollars). The program continued until 1945 (it
    returned for one season in 1949-1950). Gertrude Berg entertained
    audiences with New York style, motherly phrases like, "Button up your
    neck. It's cold outside."

    11/21

    1938 - WBOE in Cleveland, OH became the first school-operated radio
    station (owned by a municipality) to receive a license from the FCC.
    WBOE went on the air as a 500-watt AM station and later became an FM
    station.

    1938 - The first broadcast of Central City was heard. It was an
    adventure-mystery show set at the newspaper in, you guessed it, Central
    City. Elspeth Eric played the part of crime reporter Emily Olson; and
    Van Heflin was crime reporter Bob Shellenberger (later, the part was
    played by Myron McCormick). Central City aired until 1941.

    1944 - "Happy trails to you, until we meet [removed]" The Roy Rogers
    Show was first heard on the Mutual Broadcasting System. Singing along
    with Roy (The King of the Cowboys'), were the Whippoorwills and The Sons
    of the Pioneers.

    11/22

    1906 - Delegates attending the Berlin Radiotelegraphic Conference in
    Germany voted to use SOS (...[removed]) as the letters for the new
    international signal. The international use of "SOS" was ratified in
    1908. Its meaning? No, not "Save Our Ship" or "Save Our Souls" as many
    believe. Its only meaning was as a distress signal, quick to transmit by
    Morse code and not easily misread. It is not an acronym. Incidentally,
    how did SOS pads come to use the same initials? They're named after a
    patented process, Soap on Steel.

    11/23

    1929 - Shirley Booth and Ed Gardner were married on this day.

    1958 - One of the last drama programs on radio debuted. It was unusual
    in that it followed the TV show of the same name. Have Gun Will Travel
    was broadcast on CBS and starred John Dehner as Paladin.

    11/24

    1937 - Music from the Raymor Ballroom in Boston, Massachusetts was
    beamed coast to coast on NBC. The special guests during this broadcast
    were Glenn Miller and his orchestra.

    Joe

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    Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:12:34 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Gildersleeve movies

       Jan Bach wrote --

>     After seeing these films I much prefer to follow the adventures of
>     Gildersleeve as they were meant to be followed, by sound only over the
>     radio. I'll be interested in other OTRers reactions to these films once
>     they have seen them!

       I've generally been disappointed in otr shows on film, in that most
    of the radio characters aren't featured.  Maybe they don't look in real
    life as we picture them on radio.  With the Gildy movies I can
    understand not having Walter Tetley as Leroy.  The kid who plays him
    looks more like the mental image of Leroy.  Peavy looks pretty much the
    way he sounds.  And I was glad they had Lillian Randolph playing Birdie,
    she looks the way she's imagined.
       Sometimes the radio actors do pop up, but not as their character,
    such as Tetley as a bellboy in Gildersleeve on Broadway.  But most often
    one needs to seek out the characters.  There's a scene in one film,
    forget which one, where Earle Ross is in a minor role in a club room
    scene of some sort, with one or two lines and not playing Hooker, but
    some nameless man.  I spend time reading [removed] for when a show actor
    pops up.
       But it would be nice to have some of the characters show up, such as
    the Old Timer and others from FM&M in their films, even if the actor of
    the role isn't featured.  Harlow Wilcox was in one, but as a passerby
    talking to someone in their front yard.
       But so many of the shows on film simply drop the characters we all
    know from the shows.
       Joe

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    Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:13:35 -0500
    From: jack and cathy french <OTRpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cereal Sponsors

    In business news today, RalCorp Holdings, which used to be Ralston-
    Purina until they achieved conglomerate status, just acquired Post
    Cereals from Kraft Foods. This will include Grape Nuts and Shredded
    Wheat, the latter Krafts had bought from Nabisco.

    Ah, for the good ol' days when we really knew a cereal chiefly by the
    kids' program it sponsored. Ralston (Tom Mix), Wheaties (Jack
    Armstrong), Nabisco Shredded Wheat (Straight Arrow), Kellogg's Pep
    (Superman), Cheerioats and Kix (The Lone Ranger), Post Toasties
    (House of Mystery), Hop Harrigan (Grape Nuts Flakes) etc.

    The rare changes to the cereal names were even memorable. I still
    recall the day on "House of Mystery" (the not-to-scary mystery
    program for kiddies) when the sponsor changed its cereal name from
    "Post's Corn Toasties" to "Post Toasties." They even had the kid
    actors sing this new commercial (to the tune of "Oh My Darling,
    Clementine" to hightlight the switch in product name.

    "Post's  Corn Toasties,
    Post's Corn Toasties:
    We are gonna change your name.
    But your old familiar flavor
    Will still remain the same."

    No, I don't have an audio copy of this show; I'm just tapping the ol'
    memory bank.

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
    <[removed]>

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