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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 150


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Princess Pet Radio Program
	 Re:" [removed]" vs "[removed]"
	 Re:  Yacht Club Boys
	 Re: Yacht Club Boys
	 Ruby Begonia source
	 Disregard the first message about Ruby
	 Questions
	 Sherlock Holmes on American Radio
	 TAKE OFF DISTRIBUTION
	 Anthony Tollin
	 Ethel & Albert
	 Re: MORE THOUGHTS ON OTR
	 Old Time Radio
	 Chickenman
	 Re: Luck Stripes
	 Re: Hello.
	 Re: What is radio
	 Stan [removed] [removed]
	 Charlie Laughlin's Two Mindsets
	 Ethel & Albert

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 17:40:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: jack312@[removed] (Bob Jackson)
To: Otr@[removed]
Subject: Princess Pet Radio Program
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Can anyone tell me about the Princess Pet radio show. It ran in the early
50's, according to my mother.  I assume it was sponsored by Pet Ice Cream,
since 2 other characters involved were a brown mule and a brown bear! Thanks
in advance for information that anyone provides.  

Sincerely,
Bob

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:02:58 -0400
From: GOpp@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:" [removed]" vs "[removed]"
Message-ID: <960424180257_279803849@[removed]>

With respect to Jack Palmer's post in response to my question about the 
identity of "[removed]":
>
>-- [ From: Jack Palmer * [removed] #[removed] ] --
>
>To Gregg Oppenheimer
>	I believe you are referring to N. T. G. who used the initals.  If my
>memory is still working the initials stood for Niles T. Granlund.  I'm
>not sure about the spelling.  Somewhere in y refernce books I have some
>info about him but can not locate it at the moment.  Jack

Thanks for the lead.  I looked up Nils Granlund at the library, and he 
was indeed known by his initials,  [removed], was a big name in 
entertainment  (he was Marcus Loew's head of publicity, ran a couple of 
radio stations, and a lot of theatres and nightclubs--he reportedly was 
the first to coin the term "nightclub"-- hosted a number of radio 
programs, and started out as a journalist.  But I don't think Nils Thor 
Granlund. is the name I'm looking for, because "[removed]" was  definitely  
humorist, which Granlund was not.  I guess I left out some important 
information.  Here's the entire October 1936 entry  from my late father's 
journal.  The scene takes place at Young & Rubicam's Hollywood office in 
September, 1936, when my father was applying to Tom Everett of Y&R for a 
job as a comedy writer on the Packard Hour, starring Fred Astaire (also 
featuring Charles Butterworth, Cliff Arquette, and Johnny Green and his 
orchestra):

"Mr. Everett had a little office I hadn't noticed, off the waiting room.  
We went in and sat down.  He had no sooner asked me what my name was than 
the door opened and a middle-aged man stuck his head through.  I was 
awe-struck.  This man was one of the giants in the humor field.  He wrote 
an extremely popular syndicated newspaper column under his initials, 
'[removed],' did  radio shows, pictures, everything.

'Everett,' he boomed, 'I've got to see you.'

I could see how much of Everett's attention I would get if he interviewed 
me while this big name waited fuming outside.  I got up, walked over to 
him, and handed the envelope containing my sketch.  'Mr. Everett,' I 
said, 'I'm a writer, not a talker.  Why don't you talk to him, read this 
at your leisure, and let me know if you're interested.'"

Incidentally, this one sketch (which was never aired) not only got him 
that job, it also got him a job the following year as Jack Benny's gag 
writer in 1937 (replacing Al Boasberg when the latter died in June of 
1937), and still another job a year after that, writing the Lifebuoy 
Program starring Al Jolson.

Thanks for the help.  Any other ideas who "[removed]" might be?

--Gregg Oppenheimer

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:26:37 -0400
From: GOpp@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:  Yacht Club Boys
Message-ID: <960424182637_477490365@[removed]>

>Can anyone help with some clues on who the Yacht Club Boys were ?
>Any clues gratefully received
>
>Thanks Rob Lapes

I can tell you about one of them.  James V. Kern was born in New York 
City in 1909, received a law degree from Fordham University, and was a 
screenwriter and director in addition to being on of the Yacht Club Boys. 
 He wrote more than 25  screenplays, including "The Doughgirls" 
(co-wrote, directed), 'Never Say Goodbye" (wrote, directed), and directed 
many others, including "Stallion Road", "April Showers", "The Second 
Woman", and "Two Tickets to Broadway."  He directed more than 500 TV show 
episodes including I Love Lucy, The Millionaire, Maverick, 77 Sunset 
Strip, Ann Sothern, Jack Benny (for which he received an Emmy Award), 
Gale Storm, My Favorite Martian, and My Three Sons.

- Gregg Oppenheimer

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:26:39 -0400
From: GOpp@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Yacht Club Boys
Message-ID: <960424182638_477490387@[removed]>

>Can anyone help with some clues on who the Yacht Club Boys were ?
>Any clues gratefully received
>Thaks Rob Lapes

I can tell you who one of them was.  James V. Kern, born in 1909, was a 
graduate of Fordham University law school, and later wrote 

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:58:31 -0400
From: BROACH88@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ruby Begonia source
Message-ID: <960424185829_521264456@[removed]>

I believe that Ruby was a character created by Flip Wilson in his TV
appearances long ago.  Anyone else?
Bob Roach - Columbus OH

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 19:03:10 -0400
From: BROACH88@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Disregard the first message about Ruby
Message-ID: <960424190310_521268217@[removed]>

Sometimes we answer too hastily before thinking!!  My wife was looking over
my shoulder when I responded previously that the source of Ruby Begonia was
Flip Wilson and corrected my warped brain - pointing out that I was thinking
of Geraldine, and that the correct source for Ruby was Amos 'n Andy - but
we're not sure if radio or TV.
Bob Roach
Columbus OH

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 16:39:43 PST
From: jonesjm@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Questions
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

I'm brand new here.  May we ask questions?  Or only post articles?
judyjones@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 96 23:24:47 UT
From: "KENNETH LANZA" <DRJOHNWATSON@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Sherlock Holmes on American Radio
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

The following info is from The Baker Street Journal (3/96)  that should be of 
interest to some.

Sherlock Holmes On American Radio: An audio Documentary of the Great Man's
Adventures. Compiled and narrated by Lawrence P. Nepodahl. [removed] deKalb, IL: 
The
Listeners of the Modern Mazarin Gramaphone.  $[removed] ppd. 

Lawrence Nepodahl brings together on a single two hour tape a comprehensive
history of an important source of the public Sherlock Holmes: the radio plays 
that
presented Canonical stories and original pastiches from the 1920's to 1977. 
One suspects
that in the pre-television era Holmes on the radio was comparable in its 
impact to
the Granada TV/Jeremy Brett [removed] of the benefits of this taped 
history is the 
liberal sprinkling of samples of the major radio Holmeses, from Gillettee to 
Rathbone and beyond.
Nepodahl provides background on the writing of scripts (with appropiate 
attention to Edith Meiser),
casting, even the occasional influence that sponsors could bring to bear on 
the content of a story.
This is an entertaining and informative listen, nicely, even enthusiastically 
narrated by Nepodahl.

I have no financial interest regarding the above.

Address provided off list. DRJOHNWATSON@[removed]

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Date: 24 Apr 1996 17:52:17 MDT
From: "Loretta Moses" <RET@[removed]>
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        null@[removed], occ-env-med-l-owner@[removed],
         earhart@[removed], [removed]@[removed], TBARNETT@[removed],
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         shawn@[removed], epafr-contents@[removed],
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      (208) 526-9161
      MS - 2601


I have a customer here at the INEL receiving unwanted e-mail from you.
We believe someone accidently put him on a distribution list that all of
you use to send various types of mail.  Would you check your distribution
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Thank you, your assistance is appreciated.

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:24:17 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Anthony Tollin
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Tom Barnett wrote:
>
>Could someone pass Mr. Tollin's Email address. Or if you're reading this
>Mr. Tollin, Could you drop me a electronic 'Line'
>

Tom, I don't think Anthony Tollin is online. My conversations with him 
have implied that to me. But I am not 100% certain.

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Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:28:57 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ethel & Albert
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

On Tue, 23 Apr 1996 14:13:48 -0400
Matthew561@[removed] wrote:
>
>Okay, so I went to the Cincinnati convention and the "Ethel and 
>Albert" recreations were hilarious. Naturally, I wanted to add more 
>than the meager sample I already had to my [removed] I thought 
>clean Vic and Sade tapes were rare!!!!
>
>I have found 4 hours total in all the vendor catalogs that I normally 
>do business with including two collector's clubs.  Is that all there 
>is?  If anyone knows of a source for these shows, please let me know.
>
>

They are hard to find because Peg Lynch, I believe, owns the rights and
they have not been in general release, though some are out there. When I
spoke with her at an FOTR convention several years ago, she was looking
for a home for them. Now I believe there is something in the east, but 
I cannot recall it, perhaps someone else knows. Anyway, I am not sure
if they are easily obtained.  Have you ever noticed that the only time
an Ethel & Albert is re-created, Peg Lynch is there doing it?

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Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          
AOL: JimWidner                            

                                                 

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:31:41 -0400
From: aa993@[removed] (Christopher L. Tumber)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: MORE THOUGHTS ON OTR
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Charles Laughlin wrote:
 
>So, that said, my social scientist mind wants to know from all of my
>friends on the Digest, how real is this hypothesis that there are two
>mindsets represented on this Digest?
 
Charlie,
 
(Hey, are you back in town? Drop me a line already!)
 
In my late 20's, I'm probably one of the younger readers of this digest, and 
one of the younger OTR enthusiasts in general. For this reason, OTR carries 
no nostalgic weight with me whatsover. My childhood experiences with OTR were
isolated to nightly broadcasts of CBS Radio Mystery Theatre while we summered
at our cottage out in the middle of nowehere with negligable television 
reception. In fact, the nostalia which often mires and restricts the audience 
of this hobby is a frequent source of annoyance. 
 
I don't listen to OTR because the 40's and 50's were a better day (please!), 
or because it evokes fond memories of childhood. Nor do I consider radio 
superior to television. I listen to OTR because it's good. Simple as that, as 
a medium it is very different from television, or film, or literature. In 
particular, I can enjoy OTR while in the car, or on the net. Most other 
mediums are not so flexible. I also don't care if it was produced thirty 
years ago, or last week. Though the fact is that the volume of output today 
is but a fraction of decades ago, hence older stuff tend to be a focus.
 
Perhaps the dumbest sort of post to the net is the "Don't talk about that!"
post (Second only to "Why isn't anybody posting?" post). If you don't wish to 
discuss something, don't. It will quickly go away if others follow suit. If 
not, then the originator was certainly justified in posting, wasn't he? After 
all, the interest has proven to be [removed]
 
I have little to no interest in old comedies. I think in large part because,
to me, the best humor is often incisive and topical. This simply is not 
possible with shows produced before I was even born. Since I was not even 
around when the jokes and stories were current, I don't even have that to 
fall back on. Now obviously, this is a big generalisation. There is comedy 
which stands the test of time, but I'm just not interested.
 
Moreso perhaps because if I want comedy, I can switch on the television and 
find a hundred topical, hip and oh, so mediocre comedies. What OTR can offer 
that other modern media (and particularly television) can't is the breath and 
scope. I simply can't turn on the television and watch a show like "I Was A 
Communist For The FBI" or "The Shadow". They simply don't exist. Certainly, 
I could be trading video tapes instead of audio, which would probably do the 
trick but then we get into all sorts of side issues (storage problems, cost, 
[removed]) as well as as a general disatisfaction with television's ability to 
portray the type of drama I'm generally most interested in. The fantastic.
 
The problem being, of course, that with radio a producer can rely on my own 
hyperactive imagination to fill in the bits whereas a tv producer must use 
dry ice and flashing lights. Only recently has the technology of special 
effects even begun to approach the power of the mind's eye.
 
While I certainly wouldn't mind a mailing list dedicated solely to "Old 
Time Radio Drama", given that the digest as it exists is, what, maybe two 
dozen posts a day? And that it's extremely easy to glance through the table 
of contents for every issue I think I can begrudge all the Jack Benny or 
Burns and Allen fans their space. At the same time, there's certainly enough 
room to talk about Stan Freeberg, or the BBC, or whatever.
 
Where do you draw the line exactly, anyway? What is OTR and what is not? 
Where's the demarcation? Is X-1, a product of the 50's, and at the tail end, 
if not after radio's "Golden Years" altogether, OTR? What about other shows 
which ran "late" like "Suspense" which held on into the 60's? When exactly 
does "Suspense" cease to be OTR and become NTR? Is CBS Radio Mystery Theatre 
OTR? It certainly is for me!
 
And, if we're going to start excluding topics for as tenuous reasons as 
broadcast dates, what about other topics not directly related to radio shows? 
Like premiums, radio characters and shows in other mediums, fan related 
activities, cassette and reel quality, preservation and aquisition [removed] 
None of which directly relate to "Old Time Radio".
 
I think most of the people on this list are capable of a modium of common 
sense. I've yet to see any "Make Money Fast"s or "SWM [removed]" posts, nor 
have I ever seen anything go seriously far afield for very long. There is 
in fact A LOT which gets posted here which I'm not interested in one bit. 
That's not why I'm here. I'm here for the fifty or twenty-five or even ten 
percent of posts on topics I'm interested in. This is, in fact about the same 
ratio as about any newspaper, or magazine I care to peruse.
 
So what? How truly boring life would be if everything really WAS served on a 
platter. If people only did, and discussed exactly what you wanted. I mean, 
who knows, maybe that post I thought was truly irrelevant and a waste of 
time might spark some new discovery or new [removed]
 
Why, in fact that's how I got into OTR in the first place Just trying 
something "new"!
 

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 20:43:55 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Old Time Radio
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Charlie Laughlin wrote:
>So, that said, my social scientist mind wants to know from all of my
>friends on the Digest, how real is this hypothesis that there are two
>mindsets represented on this Digest?  Are some of you more like me and
>others of you more like, say, Bruce (sorry for singling you out
>there!) who appears to mean by OTR an actual, definable historical
>period?
>

I am probably of the mindset of the latter. That is, when one speaks of
Old Time Radio, I consider most anything through 1963 (with the demise of
Suspense and YTJD). Then I consider revival radio as that period in the
70's, CBS Radio Mystery Theatre, Zero Hour, General Mills Adventure 
Theatre, Sears Radio Theatre, Earplay, Masterpiece Radio Theatre, [removed]

Finally, there is Modern Radio Drama, which includes most of the 
contemporary stuff being produced now. 

I would say to someone that I mostly collect otr and revival radio drama. 
I listen to Modern Radio Drama and sometimes buy, but not nearly as often.

I was telling several people at the convention that there is certainly 
something "different" about Modern Radio Drama from otr (even revival 
radio). Something that I find difficult to place my finger on, but something
that I can best describe as saying that actors who cut their skills on radio
drama and rarely found their way to film (or later, tv) were able to create
a sort of "body language" with their voice - the emotions came through very
clearly. Modern Radio Drama seems to lack something (even the best written
scripts) that keeps me from true enjoyment of the plays.  That "body language
of the voice" seems to be missing.  Who knows. Maybe it is more of a hangup
with [removed] it is some kind of fidelity thing that is subliminal to me.

I only know that my imagination can run more wild with otr than the latter
radio drama.

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Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:38:46
From: Sherbie@[removed] (Victoria Yellen)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Chickenman
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

	[removed] Winged [removed] World's Most Fantastic 
[removed] definitely available. I have about 180 episodes that I 
acquired in the '70s. Since each episode is very short, this totals about    
7 1/2 to 8 hours of programming.
	I remember hearing it on both WNEW in NYC amd WIP in Philadelphia in 
the mid 60s. Very funny!
	

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:52:15 EDT
From: BWWG42A@[removed] (MR JACK L PALMER)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Luck Stripes
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Jack Palmer * [removed] #[removed] ] --

Bruce,
	Are yoiu sure you don't mean Lucky Strikes, once the most popular
cigarette in America.  I believe the Sportsman were hired just for the
commercial since I never heard them do anything else much on the shows.
   Jack

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:52:05 EDT
From: BWWG42A@[removed] (MR JACK L PALMER)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Hello.
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Jack Palmer * [removed] #[removed] ] --

Ted Davenport,
	Hi Ted.  Where's my list of BBC shows you promised?  I wrote you a
note to remind you.   Just wanted to say "HI".       Jack

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 21:52:11 EDT
From: BWWG42A@[removed] (MR JACK L PALMER)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: What is radio
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Jack Palmer * [removed] #[removed] ] --

Charles Lauglin,
	I'm with you.  Radio is radio.  I grew up with radio in the US.  The
first network started the year I was born.  But I also love a lot of
the current BBC stuff and some of the CBC of recent years.  In fact,
all the shows you mentioned.  I think we (I've been collecting since
the 60's) always called old time radio because it no longer existed on
US radio, and we didn't have access to other countries' brodcasting.  I
personally consider all good radio shows worth keeping and I have a lot
of stuff from recent years.   So perhaps OTR is not quite descriptive
of our hobby!         Jack

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:45:57 -0800 (AKDT)
From: Gruff <rsmfp@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Stan [removed] [removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Greetings from the Glacial [removed]

I've really enjoyed the many comments about Freeberg. I, too, have
a pristine copy of USA. Many of my compatriots used it in their classses
with GREAT success when they were teaching US History (thats PRE-
"social studies" for you kids (8-))=   )

I feel like he is OTR because I listened to his parodies on the radio in
the 50s and early 60s. Thus I tend to include Cosby, Carlin and others in
that [removed], as it were. 

Anyway, I was under the impression that Freeberg was a pupil, student,
or whatever you might call it, of Mel Blanc. Laboring under that impression,
I thought he might have been involved in Benny's productions, at least as
a young "under-study"...correct me if I'm wrong!!!

"The Shadow Knoooooooooooows!"

Gruff

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:47:03 -0400
From: charlie <scharlie@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Charlie Laughlin's Two Mindsets
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Like Charlie, I tend to think of old-time radio as anything that was on the
air before the demise of YTJD.  But if there is something newer but just as
good available, I want to hear it or hear about it.  As far as I know, there
is no modern radio drama digest to read everyday - so is it really
inappropriate to bring it to this digest, where many potential listeners and
collectors gather, or should the conversation be strictly limited to OLD
TIME RADIO?  Would many subscribers mind if we occasionally digressed, or
would they object because the subject was "off-topic"?  Do dealers-hobbyists
offer both?  If it was on the radio yesterday, is it now "old" or not old
enough?  Will Bill Pfieffer kick me off the list if I mention CBC's Nero
Wolfe series from the 70's, or Cape Cod Radio Mystery Theatre?  Will I crack
under the strain of trying to stay on-topic?  Is this a problem?  Should we
take a vote?  Nahhh.  There just ain't that much "new" stuff to take up
bandwidth.

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Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:56:35 -0400
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ethel & Albert
Message-ID: <960424225634_280044220@[removed]>

Thanks so much, all of you, for reminiscing about Ethel & Albert. In New York
City it came on the air every weeknight between 6 and 7; dinner time in most
Jackson Heights households. We listened and laughed, as we had our dinner in
the kitchen. So much nicer than today's network TV news. 

By the way, Jack Benny's Sportsmen sang about Lucky STRIKE. Gad, that makes
me feel old.

BILL KNOWLTON, SYRACUSE NY

[removed] How many of you New York area folks remember--and miss--the daily
squabbles on WOR from the Central Park South apartment of  Ed and Pegeen
Fitzgerald?! I sure do!

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