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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 43


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 introduction
	 Re: trashing old materials, [removed] Digest V96 #41
	 Bradbury's material makes it even to TV and the Movies
	 Les Paul Show
	 RE: CBS Radio Mystery Theater
	 Pete Kelly's Blues
	 copyright controversay
	 Typographical Error
	 Orson Welles Almanac

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 21:35:39 -0600 (CST)
From: hankie@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: introduction
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I just subscribed to otr a few days ago, and have already been impressed with 
the [removed] the service.

I am a fire chief in a community of about 15,000 in the Texas Panhandle.  I am 
44 years old, and my wife, who works in the tax assessor/collector's office is 
37.  We purchased a couple of old-time radio tapes in a Hastings store a few 
years ago, and we were hooked on otr.

One of the tapes included "The Bickersons."  I'll be honest with you, I really 
didn't even like Don Ameche until I heard him in "The Bickersons," and then I 
gained a whole new appreciation for his talents.  Now, the Bickerson tapes are 
unquestionably our favorite (although we enjoy lots of other programs as well).

We have now purchased tapes of Burns and Allen, Jack Benny, Bergen and McCarthy, 
Fibber McGee and Molly, Abbott and Costello, and we have one tape of Fred Allen. 
 I guess all together we have a collection of about 50 tapes or so.  We paid 
about $[removed] per tape, and they are worth every penny. In fact, I just mailed an 
order 2 days ago for another 12 tapes.

I might also tell you that I have a son who just turned 17. When we first began 
buying old-time radio tapes, he turned up his [removed] was "kewl," just like 
all his other teenage [removed] absolutely could not comprehend what we saw 
in these antiquated programs.  However, I am proud to say that he has gained an 
appreciation for the tapes [removed] seems to enjoy them as much as we do.

Recently, I discovered that the only PBS radio station in our area (KACV in 
Amarillo, TX) broadcasts 1 hour of old-time radio shows per week (on Tuesdays). 
 And, while strolling across the AM dial, we stumbled onto KHOW, which 
broadcasts old-time radio shows on Sunday night (I haven't nailed down the exact 
times for them, I have just caught bits and pieces).

I am an amateur radio operator, and just put up a 35-foot tower.  Tomorrow night 
my son and I are going to build an AM antenna so we can receive the KHOW 
broadcasts better.  If anyone is aware of any other otr broadcasts I can receive 
out here in the middle of nowhere, I would love to hear from them.

I am also new on the internet, having been on for about 1 month.  I fought and 
struggled with "Spry Mosaic" and found several promising (though disappointing) 
spots that purportedly dealt with old-time radio.  I must say though that this 
is the ONLY location I have found that provides what I am really looking 
[removed] and people who really enjoy old-time radio for its own sake.

THANK YOU for this [removed] is great!


Gayland R. Darnell
Borger, Texas Fire Chief
(806) 273-5498   home
(806) 273-0950   work
[removed] Box 5624
Borger, TX  79008

Internet:  hankie@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 96 10:12 GMT
From: midshires@[removed] (Andrew Emmerson)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: midshires@[removed]
Subject: Re: trashing old materials, [removed] Digest V96 #41
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

In-Reply-To: <[removed]@[removed]>
>BC> Back in the 50s a lot of radio fans were finding out that many
BC> networks, sponsors and/ or agencies were literally throwing out
BC> their radio "properties". In the trash can mind you.  

>In MOST of these cases, they were *NOT* the copyright owner.

In fact it was, and almost certainly still is, a condition in the 
television broadcast industry that used films and tapes intended for 
one-time-only transmission are either returned to the hirer or 
_destroyed_. Yes, destroyed. Sometimes a certificate had to be sent back 
saying they had been destroyed. So this was not casual abandonment but 
the compliance with a legal agreement. I am sure exactly the same applied 
in radio.

The fact that stations were lazy and didn't send back (or destroy) old 
programmes accounts for the situation where the collectors' market in the 
USA and Europe is awash with 16mm film prints of old 1950s and 60s  
television series. Dealers normally catalogue them with comments such as 
"For home use only; no rights given or implied".

The BBC has recovered several 'lost' TV programmes from the 50s, 60s and 
70s from collectors who had acquired material intended for destruction. 
Nowadays the BBC gives these collectors an amnesty if the BBC can copy 
the material but nothing alters the fact that the copyright inherent in 
these materials is _entirely_ separate from the physical rights of 
ownership of a particular copy of a programme.
--Andy.

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Date: Thu, 01 Feb 1996 08:43:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSEXTON@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Bradbury's material makes it even to TV and the Movies
Message-id: <01I0OXV4UQYE8WWOLZ@[removed]>

  Ray Bradbury is a great [removed] question about that, as seen by the
very excellent list that Frank Passage so generously [removed] wonder,
for example, if the CBC production of Dandelion Wine is [removed] has
always been one of my [removed]
  Most of us know that Bradbury's great material has also reached the silver
screen as well as the television sets.
  Movies that were made from these OTR programs are, in addition to "Som ething
Wicked This Way Comes" are "Martian Chronicles,"Illustrated Man" which is a
compilation of several great stories, and the adaptation for TV of "I Sing
The Body Electric" was both on Twilight Zone,and a later feature called'The
Electric Grandmother".
  Many other features like The Playground,Veldt,The Wind,Mars Is Heaven,etc
are still seen in reruns of "The Ray Bradbury Theatre"
  His fascination with the month of October is seen in such movies as The
Halloween Tree" which is an animated movie now on video.
  Best,John Sexton (JSEXTON@[removed])

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 09:24:35 -0500 (EST)
From: "Kathy O'Connell" <oconnell@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Les Paul Show
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

One of the treasures I picked up at the Friends of Old Time Radio 
Convention in Newark last October was a cassette of "The Les Paul Show."  
This is basically Les Paul & Mary Ford singing & playing in their home 
studio (as far as I can tell).  Could someone fill me on about this 
series? When did it run?  Any other background?
It's wonderful, especially considering the primitive techniques available 
in the early '50's (when this tape seems to be from).  Les Paul truly is 
a genius.
I'm giving this tape to a guitarist friend, and I'd love to give him some 
more background on it.
Does anyone know how many of these shows were produced?  Does anyone 
offer them?
Thanks!
Kathy O'Connell

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 10:44:36 -0500 (EST)
From: passage@[removed] (Frank Passage)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: RE: CBS Radio Mystery Theater
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi All,

<Elroywood@[removed]> asked where to get CBSRMT shows.  The NARA catalog lists
a lot of them.  I didn't notice them in SPERDVAC or RHAC catalogs.  The 
service provided for by the University of Memphis shows a couple in their
list.  The SPERDVAC catalog up on Lou's web site had mention of a log.

Frank

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 1996 23:39:47 +0500
From: cbholm@[removed] (c holm)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Pete Kelly's Blues
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Mart Dzik>
  I don't know if it is the one you have heard, but the Radio Spirits, inc
catalog has two episodes of PETE KELLY'S BLUES:
  The shy woman 08-29-51,
  Kelly is kidnapped 09-05-51
You can contact them at 1-800-723-4648.  They are a little pricey, but I've
always had good service.  Hope this helps.

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 11:23:23 -0500
From: alabok@[removed] (Bob Jennings)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: copyright controversay
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hello Everyone;
        I am sure I am as sick of hearing about the horrors of copyright
infringement as is almost every other person subscribing to this forum.  Yet
again, we get a long  warning and scolding from the forum moderator to stop
the screaming and get on with something else.
        Let me make a suggestion here.  I've just spent a few hours going
back over these digest issues and it seems to me that whenever this subject
is raised there is always one focal point of abuse, one member who
invariabily creates ill will by use of abusive commentary and insults and
that person is invariably Marty Tabnik.
        Indeed, looking back over the digest issues it seems that the only
time Marty Tabnik participates in the digest at all is to jump in with some
obtuse comment on copyrights, then immediately makes himself the focal point
of controveray by insulting people taking extracts out of context and
otherwise sturring up the emotions of people who normally discuss all
matters in a calm and civilsized manner.
        Let me suggestthat that instead of the moderator jumping on all the
members of this group, again, and again, that the moderator take the direct
course of action and exclude Marty Tabnik from this digest.  This one person
is single-handedly the cause of every screaming match which has errupted
over copyright, and again, this seems to be the only subject on which he
ever says anything to anybody.
        My conclusivsion, forced by his behavior, is that he really cares
nothing about the goals and interests of the people in tbis forum, that his
sole interest is in making himself the center of attention by harping on his
pet project, his single interest in life.
        Admonisitions to carry over these discussions by private E-mail do
not work, because he does not respond to private E-mail on a personal basis.
Many persons besides myself have attempted to carry on a rational, ordered
discussion with this person by private E-mail, and after a couple of
exchanges, he simpily never bothers to reply again, leaving the discussion
hanging after whatever calm and ration point you might have made.
        Clearly, his only interest in this group is to make himself the
center of heated screaming matches.  He is a panic button, one issue person.
I suggest again, that rather than lecture the entirity of this forum on our
responsibilitiers as civilized human beings, that the moderator exclude
Marty Tabnik from this group.
        An indivudual whose sole interest is disrupting the other members
and causing trouble does not belong and it is well within the rights of the
moderator to exclude such persons.  I suggest again that Marty Tabnik be
expelled from this forum, and I believe the problems that he alone is
causing will immediately disappear.

        respectfully submitted
        ----Bob Jenning

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 12:21:24 -0500
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Typographical Error
Message-ID: <960201122121_309271747@[removed]>

Hi Gang -                    February 1 - 1996 -- Thursday - 11:15 AM cst

Yesterday I posted comments about the "missing" Jack Benny programs.
Unfortunately, there were at least two errors.  One was Typographical,
The other was a miscalculation.   Of course the missing Jack Benny 
Programs are from DECEMBER OF 1946   --  Not 1947.
The number of ETs required for those programs would be 6, not 5. 
(15 minutes per side on different discs)  Five would be "possible",
but unlikely.  It is also possible that a partial program is available, 
so it is possible that only 4 ETs are missing.
Sorry for the confusion. 

Happy Taping -- Ken Piletic -- Streamwood, Illinois 
kenpiletic@[removed] 

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 14:37:46 -0500
From: SeptSev@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Orson Welles Almanac
Message-ID: <960201143745_133255917@[removed]>

Friends:
Thanks to the poster who directed me towards the Bogdonovich bio of Welles.  
Does anyone know if the OTR show "The Orson Welles Almanac" has survived? Can
anyone point me in the direction of a dealer who has copies?
Regards, 
Thom Bray sepsev@[removed]

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