Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #16
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Date: 1/12/2004 1:39 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 16
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      OTR in Education                      [ "Austotr" <austotr@[removed]; ]
      Littlest Angel                        [ "Austotr" <austotr@[removed]; ]
      Cereal packs Merchandising            [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      "Pack O'Ten" Cereals                  [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      How to contact Jerry Haendiges        [ Jandpgardner@[removed] ]
      Random Follow-Up Thoughts             [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
      Crosby-Clooney                        [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      Letter on OTR from Indianapolis Hera  [ seandd@[removed] ]
      Ron Sayles' Birth/Death List          [ "David Kindred" <david@[removed] ]
      Lou Gehrig/Cal Ripken, Jr.            [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MR. PRESIDENT         [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      15 minute shows and Fred Foy          [ "John" <glowingdial@[removed]; ]
      One Square Inch of Land               [ Joelsiegel@[removed] ]
      Arcane References                     [ "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@rivnet ]
      Thanks to OTR Digesters               [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
      Revisionist Terminology?              [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Glenn Miller Band(s)                  [ art-funk@[removed] ]

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:10:59 -0500
    From: "Austotr" <austotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR in Education

    I reported here about the sacking of Screensound employees and the
    subsequent about face on the sackings.  Whilst jobs are reasonably safe at
    the moment, availability and releases of AUDIO content are not.  Screensound
    employees in the release side of things, are putting together a proposal for
    continued access and continued releases.  One of the areas they want to
    cover is the future use of OTR in education.

    Several years ago here on the Digest, I remember discussion on the use of
    OTR in the classroom.  An example was given on the dimming of the lights and
    the improvement of the listening of the students as a result.  I am looking
    for examples of this and other uses of OTR in education that can be referred
    to by Screensound in their proposal to their new owner, the Australian Film
    Commission.

    Could Digesters please advise me if there are any links or articles that can
    be used to support Screensound Employees in their battle for continued
    releases of and access to, OTR content for Educational use.  If there are
    any other ideas of arguments for the case, please thrown them in as well.
    This is an opportunity for the community to work closer to our Archive and
    to show them our support.

    Ian Grieve
    Moderator
    Australian OTR Group

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:11:05 -0500
    From: "Austotr" <austotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Littlest Angel

    Folks I may have the name wrong, but I would like to know about a Loretta
    Young reading of a Christmas story that was spread across several episodes,
    regarding a young boy who became an Angel.  Apparently it is dated around
    1945.

    I have never heard of the story before, but whilst recently participating in
    a World Wide project to record Christmas Day 2003 off local radio stations,
    I chose my local ABC station and this story was played on Christmas Day.
    They said it was Part 1 and further parts would be played on subsequent
    days.  Unfortunately I didn't hear the story at the time and missed the
    opportunity to record the later parts.  I suspect from conversation that the
    announcer may have supplied the story rather than the station, but I can
    follow up on that later if this is a missing story.  Just because I have
    never heard it doesn't mean it isn't common in the [removed], so I thought I would
    ask here.

    I must admit that what I heard of it made me want to hear more and also to
    play it to the Neices and Nephews, though I know my teenagers would not
    stand still long enough to be enthralled.

    Can you please tell me more?

    Ian Grieve

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:12:49 -0500
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cereal packs Merchandising

    A. Joseph Ross wrote:

>     When I went shopping the day after writing this, I noticed in the
>     supermarket that Kelloggs
>     still has more than one assortment of this type, but none of the other
>     cereal companies have
>     -- or at least no others were on display

    One of the things that have changed in retail marketing is that companies
    that want space for their products on chain supermarket shelves must pay
    for "shelf space" in the stores. It's possible that Ross saw only Kellogg's
    version of the cereal "10-pacK" because only Kellogg paid for the space.
    Other national manufacturers probably lost out in the "bidding wars" for
    supermarket shelf space.
    This goes double for small, regional brands: they probably don't have the
    resources to even enter the bidding for space to display their products in
    local markets.
    (Any patrons of Dominick's Supermarkets are welcome to discuss the product
    selection available on their stores' shelves before/after the Safeway
    takeover.)
    Many well-known OTR programs began on local radio stations with sponsors
    who hoped to create brand loyalty with local consumers; those  listeners
    would then ask the managers of their local stores to stock their favorite
    "local" brands. The situation is now reversed: the national brands'
    companies who give the most money to the supermarket chains' home offices
    get most of the available space, and your local companies don't even have a
    chance to display their products.

    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:13:28 -0500
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Pack O'Ten" Cereals

    A. Joseph Ross wrote about companies marketing an "assortment of small
    packages of their cereals".
    Thanks for the memory:
    They were cellophane-wrapped assortments, and the individual boxes were
    scored and marked with --- lines where the boxes were to be opened. The
    idea was that you could add milk and sugar to the box, and eat from it as
    if it was a bowl.
    Our mother bought them sometimes. I also remember seeing them in local
    "lunch counters" (precursors to today's convenience stores).
    That reminds me of something else at some lunch counters: "instant soup".
    Behind the counter was a heating machine of some kind (NOT microwave) that
    was surrounded by half-size cans of Heinz brand soups. I don't remember how
    it worked, but if you ordered a bowl of soup, the counterman would open a
    can, heat its contents, and deliver - a bowl of soup.
    Being a kid, I didn't have money to invest in this kind of eating
    adventure, but it sure was interesting.
    Any body remember this kind of Heinz soup machine, and if it was advertised
    on radio or television?
    Just curious,

    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:14:01 -0500
    From: Jandpgardner@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  How to contact Jerry Haendiges
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    Like Arlene Osborne, I also wish to know how to contact Jerry Haendiges and
    to get him to sell to me the goods he advertises for sale. For well over a
    year
    I have been sending him e-mail orders for cassettes but receive nothing and
    cannot even get an acknowledgement. A friend has had a similar lack of
    response
    and I agree that it is very frustrating not to be able to buy the product
    that he is selling. I too wonder what is the point of him advertising his
    cassettes and CDs on his excellent "Same Time Same Station" programme and his
    website
    when he, apparently, ignores attempts to buy them from him.
    John Gardner.

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:16:01 -0500
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Random Follow-Up Thoughts
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    	Hi gang!

    	    It's my first "Randow Follow-Up Thoughts" for 2004. Here goes:

    	HORLICK'S:

    	    I've seen British imports of Horlick's for sale at Myers' of
    Keswick, a  shop in NYC's West Village which specialises in selling all sorts
    of British-made products such as teas, jams, chocolates, cheeses, & all sorts
    of stuff for homesick Anglophiles.
    	I've also seen it in the Spanish/ethnic aisles of some of the latger
    supermarkeys here in Essex County, NJ.

    	BROADWAY AT NINTH:

    	   Laura Leff wrote of how this address in downtown [removed] was the home
    of the Eastern Columbia department store.  Here in NYC, our "Broadway and
    Ninth" also housed a famous department store: Wanamaker's. There's now a
    K-Mart in that location.

    	JEAN SHEPHERD'S VERACITY:

    	  There's been much discussion here about the extent of Old Shep's
    actual childhood memories. Please remember that back in his 1960s heyday,
    Shepherd was referred to as a "radio novelist." Last time I checked, a
    novelist deals in FICTION. So let's cut Jean some slack. His memories of "Red
    Ryder" might be faulty and anachronistic--but that doesn't stop "A Christmas
    Story" from being a great film.
    	   Anybody who championed George Ade, "Vic 'n' Sade," and the poetry
    of my all-time favourite poet Robert W. Service is OK in my book. A person
    who grows up thinking the Andrews Sisters were actually singing "The Bear
    Missed the Train" instead of "Bei Mir Bist du Schoen" truly has "the gift of
    laughter and a sense that the world was mad."

    	THE COPYRIGHT STATUS OF "HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU":

    	  Someone here wrote that national restaurant chains which make a
    practice of  having the wait-staff serenade patrons celebrating birthdays
    usually resort to non-descript songs rather than the traditional "Happy
    Birthday." After all, singing in a restaurant for all to hear probably
    constitutes a public performance, and as we all know, "Happy Birthday to You"
    has yet to lapse into the public domain. Years ago on my birthday [when it
    fell in the middle of the week & not during the FOTR/NJ convention], some
    friends took me to [removed]'s. The Friday's staff sang to me something to
    the tune of the US Army cadence call-and-respond tune that started out with:
    "I don't know what I've been [removed] here is getting old!..."

    	BOWDLERISED BROADWAY:
    	   In the on-going discussion of the sophistication of Broadway
    lyrics which didn't find their way into Broadway-into-film adaptations
    (particularly the "adult" lyrics of Rodgers and Hart's "Bewitched" from "Pal
    Joey"),  I'm reminded that there were additional "racy" verses of "Brush Up
    Your Shakespeare" from Cole Porter's "Kiss Me, Kate." Keenan Wynn and James
    Whitmore, Jr. never got to sing in the film version the line about kicking
    someone in the "Coriolanus."

    	OTR CHARCTER NAMES FOR PETS:
    	   I recently had an off-list hand in helping a veteran Digest
    post-er name a new pet dog. However, I'm going to hold back and not steal
    this subscriber's thunder by letting him/her tell the story. All I'm going to
    say is that the dog's new name comes from a famous OTR character (and what a
    "character!").  I'm very fond of cats and I'd like to know if anybody reading
    this ever named a pet, especially a cat, after an OTR personage, character,
    or situation.

    	"There! I've said [removed] I'm glaaaad!" (Cass Daley)

    	Yours ever so truly in the ether,

    	Derek Tague

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:16:22 -0500
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Crosby-Clooney

    Bing and Rosey became 'very' close during the filming of White Christmas.
     Rosey was going through some really tough times with hubby Jose Ferrer,
    and fell into a severe deep depression.  Bing gave her a lot of support,
    but, try as he did, she had one helluva time for many years.  The radio
    shows they did were wonderful--
    they were perfect together.  As I recall, organist Buddy Cole was the
    music director of those shows.

    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:17:25 -0500
    From: seandd@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Letter on OTR from Indianapolis Herald
     Tribune

    Somebody should write this guy about the Cincinatti Convention - sounds like he'd get a kick out of it.

    [removed]

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:17:43 -0500
    From: "David Kindred" <david@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ron Sayles' Birth/Death List

    Well, I, for one, look forward to Ron's birth/death list with each issue of
    the digest. I think it's a lot of fun to see which radio show personalities
    are still with us, which ones I coexisted with, and how old others were
    during their performing years (Orson Welles was SO young!).

    Ron, please don't retire the list. I'd like it to continue, for I don't have
    the information for the 2,130 people memorized.

    --David

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:17:59 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Lou Gehrig/Cal Ripken, Jr.

>     Jer51473@[removed] said that 2130 was the number of consecutive games played
>     by Lou Gerhig played for the Yankees?

    He is absolutely right. That was the record until Cal Ripken Jr. broke it. For
    those who care, Lou Gehrig played in 2,130 straight games from May 3, 1925
    through May 2, 1939 and Cal Ripken played in 2,623 straight games from May 30,
    1982 through September 20, 1998.

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:18:23 -0500
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MR. PRESIDENT

>     Was it in violation of the copyright law when Marilyn sang it to JFK on
>     tv back in 62-63?

    No, it was in Washington, DC -- but seriously folks [and who in our
    business every got work being serious] it IS the all time most sung song,
    every day, all over the world.

    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:29:09 -0500
    From: "John" <glowingdial@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  15 minute shows and Fred Foy

    Hello folks, I have a couple of questions for you all:

    First, does anyone know how I may go about contacting Fred Foy?  He usually
    goes to the Cincy and Newark conventions but I have not been able to make it
    to them for several years now due to financial problems.  I met Fred at a
    Cincy con a while back and he agreed to record an opening, id spot and
    contact information spot for me for my show The Glowing Dial.  I still use
    the opening and id spot but cannot use the entire contact information spot
    anymore because the info has changed.  I'd like to see if Fred would be kind
    enough to re-record that one for me again.  Any help would be appreciated.
    You can contact me off-list if necessary at glowingdial@[removed] .

    Secondly, I am looking to add to my collection of 15 minute otr shows.  I am
    looking for non-serial 15 minute shows.  Does anyone out there have any
    suggestions and where I might obtain them.  MP3's are not preferred.

    Thanks in advance!

    See you on the radio!

    John W. Matthews
    The Glowing Dial Page
    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:39:57 -0500
    From: Joelsiegel@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  One Square Inch of Land

    re: square inch of land
     I did a story for Good Morning America about 10 years ago checking out MY
    square inch of land.
     I still have the deed.
     The WSJ facts are correct: the land was never registered to individuals,
    Quaker Oats never paid tax on the land.
     The land office in Dawson City does receive inquiries (about 50 a year when
    I did the piece), they are very polite about informing deed-holders that we
    own nothing.
     The land was purchased very cheaply by Quaker Oats, it's along the Yukon
    River in a place where no minerals of any value of any kind have ever been
    found.
     But the Yukon is beautiful and Dawson City -- most of the goldrush buildings
    still stand -- is very interesting. I started to ask why Hollywood doesn't
    use it as a movie set until I realized it's only usable about four months a
    year.

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:10:30 -0500
    From: "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Arcane References
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    Rick Selvin asked for some examples of references originally on OTR that
    wouldn't be understood by young OTR listeners.  I can think of a few that
    have occurred on some of the shows in my collection:
    1.  "It's a doozy (Duesy)" Reference: the Duesenberg automobile
    2.  "Passion pit"  Reference: drive-in outdoor theatres
    3.  "Tripping when entering the car"  Reference: Early 1950's Hudson Motor
    Car ads regarding the "step down" feature into the interior
    4.  "Car going in both directions at once"  Reference: The post WWII
    Studebaker designed by Raymond Loewy

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:10:57 -0500
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Thanks to OTR Digesters

    Now that my 18 month research and writing period is over and "Private
    Eyelashes; Radio's Lady Detectives" is with my publisher, I'd like to
    publicly thank several of the Digesters who made significant
    contributions to my book.  All of these folks, and many others, will be
    mentioned in the Acknowledgments section of my book, but I believe
    credit to these Digesters should  be in this venue also.

    So my sincere thanks to: Lois Culver, for data on "Defense Attorney",
    Anthony Tollin and Karl Schadow for info on "Margot Lane," Larry Groebe
    for script of "Hot Copy," Mike Nevins and Martin Grams, Jr. for data on
    "Ellery Queen," Ron Sayles for audio copies of "McGarry and his Mouse."
    Stewart Wright for review of scripts at 1000 Oaks, Jerry Haendiges for
    copies of "Two on a Clue," Elizabeth McLeod for info on TRANSCO
    syndications, Derek Tague for research at NYC libraries, Stephen Jansen
    for copies of many series, including radio's first lady sleuth series
    with Irene Delroy, Barbara J. Watkins, for audio copies of several
    series and proof reading assistance, Michael Hayde for data on
    "Dragnet," Christian Blees of German for data on Marlene Dietrich, John
    Ruklick for copies of several series, Ian Greve and Jamie Kelly of
    Australia for info on "Gail Collins," Bobby Lynes for voice
    identification of "Michael & Kitty," Michael Henry of Library of
    American Broadcasting for scripts of "Kitty Keene" and Dave Amaral for
    history of San Francisco radio.

    Some of these people knew me, but many were just helpful folks who
    jumped in and responded to my Digest requests for assistance in finding
    missing shows, scripts, or stars. The fact that so many people would
    jump in and help a stranger in historical OTR research is just one of
    the vital services that this Digest provides every day.

    Gratefully,

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL

    You can view the cover and table of contents for this book at my
    publisher's web site: [removed] where advance orders are
    being taken, which will save customers the S & H costs.

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:11:31 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Revisionist Terminology?

    Recently, I've run into a curious phenomenon.  As anyone familiar with
    OTR shows in some depth is aware that several programs broadcast
    enciphered or other secret messages that members of the audience with the
    appropriate information or equipment could translate to recover the
    message.  Many of these items are occasionally referred to as,
    "Decorders."

    I cannot recall any radio premium ever called a decorder at the time it
    was first offered.  It can't be a simple typo: "o" and "r" are separated
    by some 4 keys, and "r" and "d," though adjacent, are on separate
    keyboard rows.

    To me, a decorder would be something that removes cords.  Could it be
    derived from "recorder"?  A stretch, but possible.  But the radio-premium
    crypto devices never recorded anything.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:15:03 -0500
    From: art-funk@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Glenn Miller Band(s)

    In Digest No. 15 George Aust wrote:

>     There are several Glenn Miller bands, but the best known and only family
>     sanctioned band is the Glenn Miller Orchestra directed by Larry O'Brien.
>     The band is in great demand and is generaly booked for years in advance.

    I did not realize that only Larry O'Brien's was sanctioned by the Glenn
    Miller organization.  I had the pleasure of hearing (on different occasions)
    O'Brien's group as well as Tex Beneke's at Busch Gardens in Tampa.  It was
    particularly thrilling to see Tex leading the band and hear his renditions
    of such numbers as Kalamazoo and Chattanooga Choo-Choo.  He appeared pretty
    frail but still had a great presence and sounded like the Tex Beneke I've
    heard in so many recordings.  Unfortunately, he died just a few months
    later.

    Happy new year to all.

    Art Funk

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