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Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Benny in Saratoga
	 Hawaiian service

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 20:42:24 -0500
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Benny in Saratoga
Message-ID: <951107204223_82047069@[removed]>

"Pickle in the Middle With the Mustard on Top" was Kitzel's theme song, and
the audience would indeed have been familiar.  That show was not Kitzel's
debut, but I'm afraid someone with better records than mine will have to
identify it.

Kubelski@[removed]
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Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Follow-up: CBS/NBC Shortwave/ Hawaiian service
	 Another question about Vic and Sade-What became of Rush??
	 Jean Shepherd Stories
	 Cyberspace article was a good effort
	 Pickle in the Middle with the Mustard on Top
	 Dealer from 1970s/X Minus One
	 Kaltenmayer's Kindergarten

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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 20:16:11 EST
From: VULM45A@[removed] ( ROBERT W PAINE)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Follow-up: CBS/NBC Shortwave/ Hawaiian service
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Robert Paine * [removed] #[removed] ] --

 I understand the shortwave stations were for listeners in areas that
weren't served by a local affiliate or who couldn't receive the nearest
affiliated station. It seems that I read in a shortwave listeners guide
that WEAF (NBC Red), WJZ (NBC Blue) and WABC (CBS) each broadcast their
entire program schedules on 47-meter shortwave transmitters. In the
30's, the CBC French service was relayed via shortwave to the Prarie
provinces before local AM transmitters were built.
 About the Hawaiian Service, I understand that the networks could have
their Hawaiian affiliates carry live real-time broadcasts by special
arrangement but this was not the norm. Trans-Pacific cables could have
been used, if they were available. I don't know when they were extended
to Hawaai, though. I imagine the line costs would have been
astronomical so that would have only been used in special
circumstances. More likely, the network feed would have been via
shortwave. 
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 All of the D-Day broadcasts from England were sent on shortwave. There
were at least two and possibly more frequencies used. Most of that
material was done as a pool broadcast - available to all four networks
to use at their discretion. The main overseas circuits were FAX,
furnished by the Army Signal Corps, and ABSIE, the American
Broadcasting Station in Europe. The famous Communique No 1 ("Under the
command of General Eisenhower, Allied naval forces, supported by strong
air forces, began landing Allied armies this morning on the northern
coast of France") was transmitted over the FAX channel. (Source: From D-
Day through Victory in Europe, CBS 1945).

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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 1995 22:05:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSEXTON@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Another question about Vic and Sade-What became of Rush??
Message-id: <01HXC6YM8IWI8WW78Z@[removed]>

  I think Bill Idelson played the role of Rush, the teenage co-star of
Vic and Sade. Is He still living?? Did he also appear in other OTR,TV
or the movies?? Thanks, John Sexton (JSexton@[removed])

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 23:52:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Mark Kinsler  <kinsler@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jean Shepherd Stories
Message-Id: <[removed]@bobcat>

> 	_A Christmas Story_ is one of my favorite movies, and since it 
> was released I have been awaiting eagerly its long-promised sequel.  I 
> was unaware it had actually been made, until I happened to see a promo 
> for it on Showtime: _It Runs in The Family_, with Kieran Culkin, Charles 
> Grodin and Mary Steenburgen, directed by Bob Clark.  
> 	This was a surprise to me, so I assume it may also be to many of 
> the Shepherd fans on this list.  As far as I can tell, the movie 
> (copyrighted 1994) went straight to video; since it is an MGM production, 
> I can imagine it was one of the films sent to limbo when Pathe's 
> ownership fell through.
> 	Is this news to anyone, or am I revealing a shocking cluelessness
> to the world? 

I hadn't heard of it.  I hope it's as faithful to Shepherd's stories as
the earlier movie was.  The sets and props alone in "A Christmas Story" 
are worth watching the movie for--they did it right, and with a great deal
of appreciation and affection for Shepherd's characters.  Are these the
same people who worked on the earlier production? 

                                 Mark Kinsler

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Date: Mon, 06 Nov 95 13:31:40 EST
From: platecap@[removed] (Bob B)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Cyberspace article was a good effort
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

There was a comment or two criticizing Walter Beaupre's article in
SPERDVAC Radiogram about OTR/Cyberspace.

Overall, I thought it was a good article, and agree with the poster who
said Beaupre shouldc be given the benefit of the doubt if there WERE any
omissions.

The point that is missed is probably better than 50% of SPERDVACs
membership is NOT computer literate, and if they even give Beaupre's
article even a casual read, then we are all better off for it regardless
of which details were left out.

If anything, we should be grateful to Beaupre (and SPERDVAC) for ANY
kind of exposure.

It is also true that many of their membership will never become a
subscriber to this list.  But there are likely also many who do have a
PC for menial word processing who may be at least somewhat interested in
buying a modem as a result of the article.

Also, Beaupre took the time to actually write and submit the article.
If someone thinks they can write a better one, then they should do so.

---Just my opinions, for what they're worth---

Bob Burnham; BRC Productions; [removed] Box 2645; Livonia, MI 48151
voice (313) 277-3798;  fax (313) 277-3095; internet platecap@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 00:11:48 -0600 (CST)
From: Bruce Toews <bruce@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Pickle in the Middle with the Mustard on Top
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

A couple of days ago, one of our local radio stations broadcast an 
episode of Jack Benny which had originated from the Saratoga off of San 
Francisco. In the middle of it, it talked about Jack going to a baseball 
game, and the hot-dog vendor sang "Pickle in the Middle with the Mustard 
on Top". The way it was presented, it was as though that was something 
with which the audience would have been familiar. Am I right about this? 
And was this the introduction of Mr. Kitzel to the semi-regular cast? 
Please forgive me if I'm boring everyone with my Jack Benny questions. 
It's a hard addiction to get over.

Bruce

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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 21:51:38 -0800
From: dabell@[removed] (Alan Bell)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Dealer from 1970s/X Minus One
Message-Id: <v01520d01acc49beaa106@[[removed]]>

This is of no real importance, actually, but I was just curious.  My early
days of OTR collecting -- early to mid 1970s -- came from two sources.
Local radio stations that ran the old shows and a dealer who ran an ad in
the classified section of HiFi/Stereo Review Magazine.  His name was Don
Maris and I believe he lived in Texas. Several others ran ads too, but his
were the least expensive tapes at the time, $7 per 1800 ft reel.  I have
probably 10-15 tapes that came from him.  Just wondered if others on the
list bought from him and if anyone knows whatever became of him.  I sent a
query to the old address about 5-10 years ago but it came back.  So he
either moved or died (or both).  Anybody know?  As I say, just [removed]

----------X Minus One, odd titles---------------

Nothing like trading to get a person to listen to his old shows.  I was
dubbing a couple of X Minus One shows to trade (are you reading this
Chris?), and I noticed that neither title is listed in the log that I
downloaded from the OTR Website.  The titles are Mimic and The Convict.  I
got each from the dealer named above. Those were the titles on the box, but
they aren't identified on the programs themselves.  It sounds like the
opens and closes might have been tacked on to episodes of something else.
(I couldn't find those titles from Dimension X logs either) Each one has a
sort of folksy narrator who appears at the beginning of each scene, not
really describing the plot so much as commenting on it.  The program
labeled Mimic features Mason Adams ("With a name like [removed]" and
played Lou Grant's boss on television). And both episodes end with the
folksy narrator over an instrumental version of "As Time Goes By" in the
background.  Any historians out there who could straighten this out?

_____________________________________________________________________
ALAN BELL  3768 Sonoma Avenue  Santa Rosa, CA 95405  dabell@[removed]
=============================707-546-6988============================

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 1995 16:12:11 +0900
From: rwaite@[removed] (Roy Waite)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Kaltenmayer's Kindergarten
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Re the question brought up, Kaltenmeyer's Kindergarten began on the NBC Blue
in 1932.  In 1940 the program's title became Kindergarten Kapers and the
professor's name was changed to "Professor Ulysses S. Applegate" because of
the anti-German feeling in the [removed]  Until the change, Bruce Kamman, as
"Professor Kaltenmeyer" signed off with "Auf wiedersehen und adieu."  The
characters Gertie Gump and Mickey Donovan were played by Marian and Jim
Jordan respectively.  (From "The Big Broadecast")  I don't know if any
recordings exist.  My available references do not indicate any listings.

Roy Waite, Tokyo, Japan.

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Date: Tue, 7 Nov 95 20:49 EST
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Hawaiian service
Message-Id: <m0tCzdu-000Je9C@[removed]>

>-- [ From: Robert Paine * [removed] #[removed] ] --
>
> About the Hawaiian Service, I understand that the networks could have
>their Hawaiian affiliates carry live real-time broadcasts by special
>arrangement but this was not the norm. Trans-Pacific cables could have
>been used, if they were available. I don't know when they were extended
>to Hawaai, though. I imagine the line costs would have been
>astronomical so that would have only been used in special
>circumstances. More likely, the network feed would have been via
>shortwave. 
>
I have a complete NBC day broadcast on the day of the Pearl Harbor attack
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