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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2002 : Issue 81
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Re: B-25 crash [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Re: Thanks a bunch [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Re: A Doubting Thomas [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Re: Mutual in Detroit [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
Re:Jim French Web Site [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
Mike Langworthy --- Re:Jim French [ Arcane <arcane@[removed]; ]
Of Clappers and Chimes [ "S Skuse" <sskuse@[removed]; ]
News of the proposed Lone Ranger Pil [ "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed] ]
Inspector Morse [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Re:Mutual coverage of Empire State C [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
Re: shortwave "interval signals/musi [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
Re: Lone Ranger Music [ Lou Genco <lgenco@[removed]; ]
Radio Commemorative Stamp [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
The Great Gildersleeve [ JayHick@[removed] ]
Two broadcasts in one night? [ Carolie Minuscule <daggerofthemind2 ]
"Remember Pearl Harbor" [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
Interrupted speech [ badaxley@[removed] ]
Worst Shows [ "John edwards" <jcebigjohn41@hotmai ]
Truman-Dewey election broadcasts [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
AFRS discs [ Roo61@[removed] (Randy Watts) ]
Radio Goes to the Movies [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
I LOVE A MYSTERY [ Glenn Alexander <glenn31313@[removed] ]
Re:Postage Stamps [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
The Gold Coast Show [ Richard Pratz <[removed]@[removed]; ]
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:21:41 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: B-25 crash
leemunsick@[removed] noted:
I read somewhere that part of the B-25 (probably an engine) went right
through the building and out the other side, but have never read where it
wound up, or what damage it did in the process.
Lee, As I recall the events and news stories of that Empire State Building
tragedy, the B-25 is a twin engine small bomber. One of the engines went
"through" the building, but I don't believe it came out the other side. That
particular engine was the one that severed the elevator cables, which made
the elevator car plummet to the ground. I don't recall, but some loss was
incurred by that part of the freak accident.
Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:21:58 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Thanks a bunch
Mike Langworthy posts (as an aside to other topics)
Oh, and Harlan Stone is my new hero. Not for his radio work but for retiring
at age 50.
Thanks a bunch? Sheeesh! I started working when I was 3 1/2. That means I
had put in 46 1/2 years before I reached fifty. I thought most people could
retire after 20 years on the job. I must have goofed somewhere along the
line.
I think you'd be much better served if you find another Hero. How about Bill
Gates. But then [removed] didn't amount to all that much as a Radio Actor
either. :)
Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:23:22 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: A Doubting Thomas
Kevin Michaels posted on the Subject: RE: INTERUPTED DIALOUGE
OK, Kevin, Can I have some fun at your expense?
Harry Bartell and I are gonna come by your place and start a picket line.
We're gonna carry signs reading "UNFAIR TO OLD ACTORS AND WRITERS"
You dare to question our heartfelt belief (garnered over a substantial
number of years of combined OTR experience) that Lousy acting is to blame
for lousy delivery technique of overlapping [removed] And want to blame
it on LOUSY WRITERS????
Kevin says:
I have in my collection of Radio Scripts, several Gunsmoke shows in which the
interruption is written in the script as cue: (OVERLAP).
Example: GUNFIGHTER: ...."You better draw, Marshall, while you [removed]
DILLON: (OVERLAP LAST WORD, "STILL")... Touch that gun,
[removed] your a dead man!"
With the overlap cue written in the script, there could be no pauses and the
dialog would sound real. I am sure there were many other scripts written the
same way. Therefore, the bad timing, must lay on the shoulders of the
writers IMHO.
Boy, [removed] I can't believe some LA Radio Actors had to be "spoon fed"
with such specific cues. I never saw a script written that way in my life.
What's the next step if that writing technique failed? Have someone standing
next to the actor, (the one who is supposed to interrupt), and goose 'em
when it's time for them to say their line?
Kevin, I ask [removed] What would happen if the actor missed his cue, and
failed to overlap on that SPECIFIC SINGLE WORD? Again, spare the poor
writers from shouldering the responsibility for inept Radio acting
technique. They had enough problems churning out scripts.
I [removed] blame the Director, for hiring inept actors!!!
There's a [removed]"Don't hang the messenger because of the message. In the
case of OTR, it's not the message (script) at fault in those cases. READ MY
[removed] It's the messenger (Actors who don't know how to keep talking until
interrupted, and those actors who aren't quick witted enough to pick up on
the need to interrupt at the right point in the script, so the other actor
doesn't have to ramble on indefinitely.
IMHO TWICE OVER: ("quoth the raven, nevermore")
On an even lighter side of this [removed] we'd kid around during
rehearsals, and not interrupt "as scripted". Just to see how much BS the
other actor could fill the blank spot with. Some of the ad-libs were
hilarious.
[removed] you arrange to have Hot Chocolate and cookies sent out to Harry
and I as we parade up and down with our picket signs? Incidentally, I
understand the Writers Guild got wind of your posting, (Tsk! Tsk!, blaming
their members for screwing up when writing dialogue) and it looks like they
will be joining our picket line. I figure about 3 cases of Hot Chocolate
will cover everybody. :) And I don't mean literally. :)
Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:23:49 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Mutual in Detroit
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
Albert McCosker of WOR and Wilbert McFarlane of WGN were probably
inspired to set up a permanent network by a former NBC executive
named George McLelland
Of course, if they were setting up this network now they would have
called it The McNetwork. And used WMCA from the Hotel McAlpin as the
key station.
Meanwhile, the Lone Ranger had already begun airing on WGN, via a
direct pickup from the Michigan Network fed by WXYZ. Gordon Baking
Company, which sponsored the program in Chicago and Detroit beginning
in November 1933, wanted to add a New York outlet as well ... Elizabeth
The real irony of all this is that when Ed Wynn was setting up his
Amalgamated Broadcasting System in 1933, the proposed second step was to
join the Atlantic Seaboard, Central, and New England Network divisions
that got on the air September 25, 1933 with the Michigan State Network
later in the year. But Amalgamated didn't last long enough to pull this
off. It left the air on October 28. So close, but no Big Mac.
Michael McBiel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:24:12 -0500
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:Jim French Web Site
To answer a question asked by Mike Longworthy about a
Jim French Web Site. I'm sorry, but no we don't have
one. It would take too much of our time to maintain
one at the level we'd feel would be needed to make it
worthwhile.
However, if you go to [removed] and click on
the Imagination Theatre Icon you'll be able to hear
this weeks show in Real Audio.
If any one has any questions regarding Imagination
Theatre you can contact us at Jim French Productions
[removed] Box 75296 Seattle, WA. 98125. Or call
425-865-0458. A reminder; all of Jim's shows past and
present are still under copyright protection and the
only authorized dealers are Transmedia in San
Francisco and Topics Entertainment in Renton
Washington.
Enjoy the weekend
Larry Albert
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:24:39 -0500
From: Arcane <arcane@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Mike Langworthy --- Re:Jim French
Jim French, writer of the Harry Nile seies and new Sherlcok Holmes stories
is affiliated with the Imagination Theater.
[removed] I believe you could leave an email
message for him there.
On a different [removed] "Caroline Miniscule" may not be female, but it is
certainly a style of medieval script.
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:25:05 -0500
From: "S Skuse" <sskuse@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Of Clappers and Chimes
On February 28, Ken Piletic wrote:
BBC has eliminated it's (shortwave) broadcasts to North America.
We cannot hear their "live" broadcasts any more. I suspect that
may we why we don't hear the chimes.
The BBC's World Service can be heard live on the internet at
[removed]
Sandra Skuse
Website: [removed]
dedicated to English OTR comedian Jimmy Clitheroe
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:25:36 -0500
From: "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: News of the proposed Lone Ranger Pilot
Here are the current pieces of information on the proposed Lone Ranger Pilot
being thought up by the WB TV Network and it does not sound that great for
old time [removed]
Casting calls have gone out for "Cowboys and Indians" to be a part of this
new series for The WB which plans to remake the classic "Lone Ranger" into a
younger teen version (ala "Smallville"). However a new edict has gone out
with the casting calls, while they are "looking for "western types" to play
"traditional" ([removed] stereotypical) cowboys, indians, townsfolk" there's
one condition - no-one is to be aged 30 or over. ...seriously its a
surprising move. Chad Murray (the blond DJ who ran around in undies after
Michelle Williams on "Dawson's Creek" this season) plays the famed horseman
of the Old West, Nathaniel Archard plays his sidekick Tonto.
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:25:57 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Inspector Morse
I just found out that one of my favorite television actors died. John Thaw
(Inspector Morse) succumbed to cancer of the oesophagus on February 21st. Can
anyone tell me if he did any radio and if he did, are any of the programs
available?
Thanx.
--
Ron Sayles
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:16:33 -0500
From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:Mutual coverage of Empire State Crash
The dictaphone recordng is included on the documentary "1945 IN
REVIEW",which was broadcast by Mutual at Christmastime that year.
Eric Cooper
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 11:21:23 -0500
From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: shortwave "interval signals/musical IDs
In the last digest, Arte strolled down memory lane and asked:
In the 60's I remember hearing one in the Pacific area that consisted of
the first ten notes of "Midnight in Moscow" repeated about every 10-15
seconds. I never was able to listen long enough for the station to come
on, so I never learned the identity.
That was a domestic service of USSR Radio, called Radio Mayak, which
means lighthouse. It had a continous music format wth news (in russian of
course) on the hour. Radio Mayak was discontinued after the USSR breakup
for economic reasons.
Eric Cooper
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:43:22 -0500
From: Lou Genco <lgenco@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Lone Ranger Music
On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:31:19 -0500, ROB CHATLIN <rchatlin@[removed];
wrote:
It was real interesting, the author did a
pretty thorough recount of all the music cues
A quick summary of the Lone Ranger musical bridges can be found at:
[removed]
More info on OTR theme music is at:
[removed]
(Note: Jay Hickerson sells a disk listing the themes songs of 380 OTR
programs)
New OTR fans might enjoy the Official OTR FAQ, at:
[removed]
--
Lou
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THE WWW site for "Old Time Radio": [removed]
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** No HTML-Formatted email, please! **
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:44:56 -0500
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Radio Commemorative Stamp
Thanks to Robert Dezendorf for raising the point of postage stamps to
commemorate radio stars.
The Arthur Godfrey Memorial Foundation is asking the USPS to issue a stamp
in honor of
Arthur Godfrey, hopefully to be issued in 2003. This is the Centennial of
his birth, and 20th anniversary of his passing. The [removed] is a
nonprofit corporation chartered in New Jersey and Virginia.
Anyone who supports such, let me know and I can send petition forms out by
mail for circulation, at the address below. Or, please send an Email the
the [removed] Email address below that.
The Arthur Godfrey Memorial Foundation, Inc.
RR 1 Box 134B
Pamplin VA 23958-9465
arthurgodfreyfdtn@[removed]
= ==================================
To the [removed] Postal Service Commemorative Stamp Program:
I request the [removed] Postal Service to issue a commemorative stamp to honor
Arthur Godfrey, the pioneer radio and television host, aviator,
conservationist, animal rights promoter, urger of blood donations, cancer
research backer, etc.
Name:
Address:
City - State - Zip:
Telephone including Area Code:
Email address:
Thank you.
= ==========================
Any questions, or to request petition sheets which are copyable, please
write me at the same address. Thank you.
Lee Munsick
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:16:05 -0500
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Great Gildersleeve
Anther Radio book is out.
The Great Gildersleeve by Charles Stumpf and Ben Ohmart, 2002, 157 pages.
Send $[removed] including P&H to Ben Ohmart, Box 750, Boalsburg, PA 16827.
Everything you wanted to know about the program and cast is in it. Ben’Äôs
email is <bloodbleeds@[removed];
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:47:49 -0500
From: Carolie Minuscule <daggerofthemind2000@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Two broadcasts in one night?
Anybody know when the practice of making two
broadcasts in one night of the same show (for East and
West Coasts) was discontinued? And was it common to
record 'rehearsal' episodes?
I ask because I've just listened to the first episode
of The New Adventures of Nero Wolfe, starring Sydney
Greenstreet, and it has several lines in the opening
scenes that I hadn't heard when I listened to it from
a different source (Radio Spirits) a couple of weeks
ago. Also, actor's inflections on various other lines
aren't the same, so I know it's not an edited tape of
the same show, but a different show with an edited
script that I'm listening to.
But, if it was taped when they made it the first time,
why would they have to make it again!
=====
Caroline Miniscule
THE FRIENDS OF MR. CAIRO
[removed]
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:51:11 -0500
From: Grbmd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Remember Pearl Harbor"
Jim said:
Subject: Remember Pearl Harbor
I already replied to Ken separately, but thought I'd pass this on to
the list. He asks about a song called "Remember Pearl Harbor" around
the time of the attack. More information about this song, which did
exist then is at [removed]~[removed]
The song was written by Don Reid with music by Reid and Sammy Kaye and
first appeared in the San Francisco Examiner on January 11, 1942.
Reid and Kaye and the publisher must have worked overtime to come out with
that song if it was written up in the paper barely a month after the 12/7/41
attack on Pearl.
I was a kid of 11 when it all happened, but I remember, as the Web site says,
that the song became a rallying cry for all of us to pitch in and do our part
for the war effort. I recall my elementary school class wove blankets and
made slippers. I know my Boy Scout troop did what it could to promote what
we now call recycling of resources. We then called it the salvaging of
valuable materials such as paper and metal and rubber.
That patriotic feeling swept the nation after 9/11/01, but it didn't produce
a song to the extent that Pearl Harbor did.
Spence
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:51:27 -0500
From: badaxley@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Interrupted speech
One last comment on the interrupted speech theme of
recent days. I'm surprised Hal didn't mention his
experience on the Archie Andrews show. There were
numerous incidents of Archie or his dad trying to tell
somebody something and being interrupted many times
during there efforts. Funny stuff!
Bob Axley
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 14:51:52 -0500
From: "John edwards" <jcebigjohn41@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Worst Shows
Hi, I have seen Mr Yoggy's 10 best in both comedy & drama catagories and
while not totally being in agreement he picked many of my favorites as the
10 best. Trying to pick the worst is even more difficult than picking the
[removed] pick is drama would be The Avenger (the Shadow rip off) & Meet the
Meeks for comedy.
Also I wondered if your computer goes down for a couple of days or if
you had to have it in the shop a day or so, do you get unsubscribed.
Thanks John Edwards
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:26:28 -0500
From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Truman-Dewey election broadcasts
Are there any broadcast recordings, other than excerpts, that are in
circulation of the 1948 General Election returns?
Eric Cooper
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:26:40 -0500
From: Roo61@[removed] (Randy Watts)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: AFRS discs
Does anyone know if the Armed Forces Radio Service placed a limit on how
long their transcription discs were allowed to remain in circulation?
I mean, did the AFRS withdraw the discs after a certain period of time,
or did they continue to make the rounds until they simply wore out?
Thanks,
Randy
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 16:27:37 -0500
From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Radio Goes to the Movies
Hi everyone,
Los Angeles will be the place to be for all OTR and film noir fans the
second weekend in May. The American Cinematheque, along with several
radio drama groups, will be presenting live radio recreations and movies
associated with them at the historic Egyptian Theater on Hollywood Blvd.
The series "Radio Goes to the Movies" will open Friday evening, May 10 with
a live recreation of "Sorry, Wrong Number" by 30 Minutes to Curtain,
followed by the movie starring Barbara Stanwyck. Saturday afternoon New
Frequency will present a recreation of "The Whistler" followed by a Whistler
movie. Saturday evening features a recreation of "Pat Novak for Hire", the
movie "He Walked by Night", and a panel about Jack Webb, which will include
Michael J. Hayde.
Sunday "The Maltese Falcon" will be shown, followed by a new radio drama
written by Tony Palermo, involving the falcon itself.
For details and the latest information on the series, visit
[removed].
Hope you can all come!
Barbara
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:20:31 -0500
From: Glenn Alexander <glenn31313@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: I LOVE A MYSTERY
I LOVE A MYSTERY AND THE LONE RANGER IS PERHAPS MY
FAVORITE SHOWS. ILAM HAD QUITE A HISTORY ON THE AIR
WAVES. I HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO FIND OUT EXACTLY HOW
MANY OF THE ILAM ADVENTURES STARRED TONY RANDALL AS
"REGGIE YORK" AND ARE THEY AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD OR
PURCHASE. ANY HELP???
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:20:58 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re:Postage Stamps
"vegan" says:
I have a suggestion for a way to express our appreciation to all the OTR
Stars that brought us (and still do) so much [removed]
Why not start a grass roots campaign to have some postage
stamps created to honor them.
I vote for Jughead! :)
signed, Anonymous
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 00:21:16 -0500
From: Richard Pratz <[removed]@[removed];
To: "OTR (Plain Text Only)" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The Gold Coast Show
In the 50's there was a radio program broadcast from WBBM/CBS in Chicago
(1954 for sure) called "The Gold Coast Show". Its theme song was called
"Chances." I believe it was 15-minutes in length but I don't know if it was
a local or a network offering. It was a comedic show with a small cast
(perhaps a singing quartet as well) that featured pre-recorded commercials
by working them into a script with an outrageous story line. The entire
program was one commercial after another woven into the script in such a way
it was humorous. Familiar commercials that began with sound effects were
especially useful, such as the fog horn in the beginning of the Lifeboy
commercials, etc. Does anyone remember this program and can tell me more
about it? I've been searching its origins for years and long ago even tried
this Digest to no avail. So I'm giving it one last try. Thanks a heap - Rich
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