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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2011 : Issue 123
                             A Part of the [removed]!
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                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
      OTR Conventions                       [ Ben Ohmart <benohmart@[removed]; ]
      Past OTR Conventions in Chicago       [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
      FOTR Convention DVDs                  [ Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed]; ]
      otr conventions                       [ JJLjackson@[removed] ]
      Conventions                           [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
      new Duffy's Tavern episodes           [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      8-3 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      The Fat Man                           [ "Jim Kitchen" <jkitchen@[removed]; ]
      Jerry Goldsmith on radio              [ Alan/Linda Bell <alanlinda43@yahoo. ]

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    Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:12:01 -0400
    From: charlie@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
    and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
    over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
    of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
    real-time OTR talk!

    Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
    others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
    range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
    it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
    it's always a good time!

    For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
    week and every week!

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    Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:46:32 -0400
    From: Ben Ohmart <benohmart@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR Conventions

    Martin Grams is certainly taking up the slack from some of the conventions
    that are sadly going away. I know he's going to continue to his part to see
    that a good part of

    FOTR will remain active and loved. I plan to be at both his MANC and FOTR
    this year.

    However, I think the real problem that needs to be addressed is the dying
    nostalgia element. I think TV is king, yet except for TCM (and a Few
    sometime-stations)
    there is no Old stuff on TV anymore. I know revolutions and movements are
    time consuming exercise, but personally I think it's worth the effort to: try
    to get
    Working actors, young actors talking about old films, radio, TV; get
    producers, programmers to put the old stuff on; buy our own channel
    collectively. There
    are many things we can do, as a Group, that can stimulate interest in the old
    world and not let it die. It can't. It's a part of history. But it can be
    sorely ignored,
    certainly. Doing something together can rekindle the fire of nostalgia and
    conventions. I'm willing to do what I can to help. If anyone wants to
    brainstorm about this, please
    email me offlist. Thanks.

    Ben Ohmart
    [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:46:40 -0400
    From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Past OTR Conventions in Chicago
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    Hi Gang

    In issue 120 of the otrdigest, Stephen Jansen wrote:
    "I think it's shameful that Chicago doesn't have an OTR convention."

    I agree with Steve, but I wonder how many readers remember that Chicago had
     at least three OTR Conventions in the past.  I remember attending  three.
    Two of them were at the Sheraton Hotel in Oakbrook, but I don't  remember
    where the third was.  I know the third convention was held near  the WCFL
    transmitter, because their audio got into my long microphone cable when  I
    audiotaped that convention.  (There was no amateur video taping equipment
    back
    in the 1970's).

    As I recall, there were no re-creations, but we did have GUESTS, mostly
    from the Chicago Area.  There were no commercial dealers or organized
    workshops, but we had several impromptu tape trades among people who  brought
    things to trade, and we did have several "workshops" and  "discussions".  All
    three of these conventions were very enjoyable and  informative.  There may
    have been a fourth convention (at the Allerton  Hotel?) but I don't recall
    attending that one.

    The group who organized these convention was called CORE (Chicago  Oldtime
    Radio Enthusiasts).
    The first two that I attended were chaired by Rolly (Somebody) - I don't
    remember his last name - and the third was chaired by Bob Jones (an easy name
    to  remember).

    Does anybody besides me remember the CORE conventions?  It would be  nice
    if CORE could be reorganized and set something up.  I'm willing to  help, but
    not to do the organizing.  It's beyond my capability.

    Happy Taping (what's tape?) - Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois and  Alma,
    Arkansas

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    Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:46:49 -0400
    From: Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  FOTR Convention DVDs

    Some may view this as a shameful advertisement, but I'm thinking more
    of a public spot announcement (PSA). For the last 10 or 11 years,
    I've been video recording the FOTR convention and making it available
    on DVDs for people who are unable to attend the convention and for
    those that were there and just want to have it to watch again.

    I just recently read some remarks by a few people who have been
    unable to attend this convention for one reason or another. They may
    not be aware of the DVDs. The order forms are located at
    [removed] The 2010 order form is not uploaded
    to the site, but you can ask me for a copy.

    They are professionally recorded with excellent sound and picture.
    Email me off the list for more information.

    Fred
    Check us out for old time radio & TV shows & Movie Serials
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    Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:48:13 -0400
    From: JJLjackson@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  otr conventions
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    In 2008, a group of fans got together in Chicago and had a small
    old-time-radio convention. There were about 40 people, in a Marriott hotel
    near  the
    airport. Randy Larson and the Chicago gang, usually seen at FOTR,
    presented a recreation, and a number of attendees did presentations on
    various
    subjects, some of which were: the Blacklist, Great Gildersleeve, sound
    effects,
    and the many voices of Nero Wolfe. There was also a newly written play
    which was  performed at the convention by 12 blind actors. Jim Jordan's nephew
    joined us  the last day and talked about the Jordans. It doesn't have to be
    as large as the  existing OTR conventions. It just needs to have individuals
    with a lot of heart  to undertake and do the planning for it.

    joy jackson
    American Radio Theater

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    Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:48:55 -0400
    From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Conventions

    The only OTR convention I've gone to has been the Cincinnati one, in large
    part because it's the closest. Would I go to one in, say, Chicago, if it
    existed? If I could afford to, yes.

    I went to Martin's inagural MANC convention, and enjoyed it. Fiscal realities
    are pretty much the only reason I haven't been back.

    Dan Hughes said "Perhaps putting more emphasis on the re-creation
    shows and the OTR dealers, and less on the stars, would make sense" and Steve
    Jansen has opined that OTR doesn't die; it just changes formats. Maybe
    conventions need to have fewer re-creations of actual aired episodes and more
    wholly original scripts. In may, I wrote an article for the paper I work for
    about "timeless" radio shows, indicating some that remain more or less
    "evergreen." The fact that people like me who weren't around during the OTR
    era enjoy listing to OTR would seem to support that claim. As I argued in the
    article, with minor changes, the _Suspense_ episodes "Sorry, Wrong Number"
    and "Circumstantial Terror" could be updated to a modern setting, as could
    certain _I Love a Mystery_ stories.

    I'm not saying someone should obtain the rights to _Suspense_ or _I Love a
    Mystery_ and broadcast or otherwise make available a new version of those
    (and/or other) shows. I'm saying I think people would listen to well-written,
    acted and directed full-cast audio adventures. Lots of people listen to books
    on tape and CD, and that's usually one (maybe two) people reading all the
    parts.

    Maybe, with regard to bringing more people into the hobby, more emphasis
    should be put on audio dramas (and mysteries, and comedies, and detective
    shows, and so on) as "theater of the mind" and less on "this was the big
    thing, decades ago." While it's important to let people know about radio's
    impact and influence, I think we should also emphasize that people can-- and
    do-- still make audio dramas today. Two that immediately come to mind are
    _The Twilight Zone Radio Dramas_ and _Star Trek The Continuing Mission_. The
    former is probably better known (and has more episodes in circulation), but
    they both use vocal performances and sound and music effects to help the
    listener imagine the characters and the situations. Just like OTR. I think
    some of the Twilight Zone Radio Dramas fall short of what they could be
    quality-wise, but not every original OTR show was a masterpiece either. In
    some, the actors sounded. like. they. were. reading. their. scripts.

    So maybe conventions should have a dual focus: entertain, educate and inform
    attendees about traditional OTR; and through things like live performances of
    original scripts, show not only how such performances are done, but also that
    audio drama wasn't limited to one time period, not caught in amber.

    And "original" means not just someone writing, say, their take on _The
    Shadow_, but a script for a (hypothetical) new series. When I wrote my
    western script "The Widow's Revenge" for Don Ramlow's All Ears Theatre
    (performed in March and aired in May), I had the announcer refer to it as one
    of the "Tales of the West" in the original draft. I knew the phrase might not
    get used, but in my own mind, I was imagining "The Widow's Revenge" as an
    episode in a series called "Tales of the West."

    I can understand Don not using the phrase in the performance and broadcast.
    That would have implied westerns on a regular basis, and he might prefer to
    do one every few years. On the other hand, performances at conventions aren't
    broadcast, so there's no reason you couldn't perform scripts for "series"
    that never actually aired. "Bob Smith (Yes, that's my real name!), Detective
    in "The Missing Heiress Mystery", for example.

    Steve Jansen mentioned at the Cincinnati convention this year that he got
    some positive feedback from youngsters when his Theatre of the Mindless put
    on an OTR-style presentation for them. I don't recall all the details, but
    the point is that these kids, born long after the OTR era officially ended in
    1962, enjoyed listening to an audio adventure.

    Years ago, I introduced my cousin Kelley, now 25, to OTR through _Yours
    Truly, Johnny Dollar_. Interest isn't limited to a certain age group.

    To blatantly steal from _The Six Million Dollar Man_'s introduction, we have
    audio technology beyond traditional radio. We can rebuild audio entertainment
    as something people would enjoy using those technologies.

    Conventions could help in that regard.

    Rick

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    Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:49:00 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  new Duffy's Tavern episodes

    Radio Spirits has done it again! Their new DUFFY'S TAVERN radio program box
    set contains 20 episodes of the comedy radio program, and among the offerings
    are a handful of "lost" episodes that were not available until today. My set
    came in today and boy am I excited. To prevent confusion as to which DUFFY'S
    TAVERN set is a must-buy, it's the one subtitled "Where the Elite Meet" and
    features a great program guide by my good friend Daniel Riedstra. Features
    the broadcasts of February 8, 1946 and February 22, 1946, in which Gardner
    was away for a short while because he had to have his tonsils removed.
    [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:49:07 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  8-3 births/deaths

    August 3rd births

    08-03-1885 - Arthur Sinclair - Dublin, Ireland - d. 12-14-1951
    actor: John A. Considine "Jumbo Fire Chief Program"
    08-03-1886 - Anna Barbash - d. 1-1-1983
    soprano: "Memories of Jennie Lind"
    08-03-1886 - Russ Westover - Los Angeles, CA - d. 3-5-1966
    writer: Creator of the comic strip "Tillie the Toiler"
    08-03-1894 - Harry Heilmann - San Francisco, CA - d. 7-9-1951
    sportscaster: WXYZ Detroit
    08-03-1896 - Wendell Hall - St. George, KS  - d. 4-4-1969
    singer: (The Red Headed Music Maker) "Eveready Hour"; "Red Headed
    Music Maker"
    08-03-1900 - Ernie Pyle - Dana, IN - d. 4-18-1945
    world war II correspondent: "Words at War"; "Cavalcade of America"
    08-03-1902 - Irma Glen - Chicago, IL - d. 12-15-1982
    organist: "Irma Glen Lovable Music"; "Vic and Sade"
    08-03-1903 - John S. Young - Springfield, MA - d. 1-12-1976
    announcer: Foreign news for NBC in Nyw York
    08-03-1904 - Clifford Simak - Millville, WI - d. 4-24-1988
    writer: "Dimension X"
    08-03-1905 - Dolores Del Rio - Durango, Mexico - d. 4-11-1983
    actor: "Hollywood on the Air"
    08-03-1905 - Gaylord Carter - Wiesbaden, Germany - d. 11-20-2000
    organist: "Amos 'n' Andy"; "Breakfast in Hollywood"
    08-03-1906 - James Thieran Biggs - Richwood, OH - d. 8-27-1996
    radio and telegraph operator: WVZ
    08-03-1906 - Robert Emmett Dolan - Hartford, CT - d. 9-26-1972
    music maestro: "The Circle"; "Birdseye Open House"
    08-03-1907 - Adrienne Ames - Fort Worth, TX - d. 5-31-1947
    film star: WHN New York, New York
    08-03-1907 - Irene Tedrow - Denver, CO - d. 3-10-1995
    actor: Janet Archer "Meet Corliss Archer"; Dorothy Regent "Chandu, the
    Magacian"
    08-03-1911 - Ken Patterson - Montana - d. 2-16-1990
    actor: "Dragnet"
    08-03-1915 - Hugh Douglas - Chicago, IL - d. 9-1-1993
    announcer: "Have Gun, Will Travel"; "CBS Radio Workshop"
    08-03-1916 - Horace Logan - Shreveport, LA - d. 10-13-2002
    creator of "The Louisana Hayride"
    08-03-1916 - Milton Drake - NYC - d. 11-13-2006
    songwriter: "Mairzy Doats"
    08-03-1917 - Charlie Shavers - NYC - d. 7-8-1971
    jazz trumpeter: "Jump Time"; "Mildred Bailey Show"; "Tommy Dorsey Show"
    08-03-1917 - Larry Haines - Mt. Vernon, NY - d. 7-17-2008
    actor: Carl Ward "Young Dr. Malone"; Fred Molina "This is Nora Drake"
    08-03-1918 - Les Elgart - New Haven, CT - d. 7-29-1995
    bandleader: "Let's Go to Town"; "Manhattan Melodies"
    08-03-1920 - Marilyn Maxwell - Clarinda, IA - d. 3-20-1972
    singer, actor: "Kraft Music Hall"; "Abbott and Costello Show"; "Bob
    Hope Show"
    08-03-1923 - Jean Hagen - Chicago, IL - d. 8-29-1977
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Stars in the Air"
    08-03-1925 - Billy James Hargis - Texarkana, TX - d. 11-27-2004
    preacher: Broadcast his ministry on more than 500 radio stations.
    08-03-1926 - Tony Bennett - NYC
    singer: "[removed] Woolworth Hour"; "Songs for Sale"; "Stepping Out"
    08-03-1927 - Gordon Scott - Portland, OR - d. 4-30-2007
    actor: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy"

    August 3rd deaths

    01-25-1920 - Fred Pinkard - d. 8-3-2004
    actor: "Destination Freedom"; "Hello, Sucker"
    02-04-1918 - Ida Lupino - London, England - d. 8-3-1995
    panelist, actor: "Hollywood Byline"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
    04-28-1929 - Carolyn Jones - Amarillo, TX - d. 8-3-1983
    actor: "Dragnet"; "Survivors"
    06-27-1938 - Ron Lyons - Asheville, NC - d. 8-3-2007
    traffic anchor: KCBS San Francisco, California
    08-06-1923 - William B. Williams - Babylon, NY - d. 8-3-1986
    disc jockey: Leading New York DJ for more than 40 years at WNEW
    08-12-1892 - Alfred Lunt - Milwaukee, WI - d. 8-3-1977
    actor: "Cavalcade of America"; "Theatre Guild On the Air"; "Treasury
    Star Parade"
    08-24-1924 - Lou Teicher - Wilkes Barre, PA - d. 8-3-2008
    pianist: (Ferrante and Teicher) "The Zero Hour"; "Hollywood Radio
    Theatre"
    09-19-1924 - Bob Murphy - Oklahoma - d. 8-3-2004
    sportscaster: teamed with Curt Gowdy to broadcast Red Sox Games
    10-13-1925 - Lenny Bruce - Mineola, NY - d. 8-3-1966
    comedian: "Arthur Godfrey Talent Scouts"; "Why Did Lenny Bruce Die?"
    12-03-1857 - Joseph Conrad - Kiev, Russian Empire - d. 8-3-1924
    author: Some of his works were adapted for radio
    12-09-1915 - Elisabeth Schwarzkopf - Jarotschin, Posen, Germany - d.
    8-3-2006
    singer: Austrian Radio
    12-19-1912 - Frank Holliday - San Francisco, CA - d. 8-3-1948
    singer: (The Rockaway Four) "The Gay Nineties Revue"
    12-29-1894 - Harry Lang - NYC - d. 8-3-1953
    actor: Mr. Fuddle "Blondie"; Pan Pancho "Cisco Kid"

    Ron

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    Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:49:13 -0400
    From: "Jim Kitchen" <jkitchen@[removed];
    To: "old time radio digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Fat Man

    "There he goes, into that drugstore.

    He's stepping on the scales.

    Weight? 237 pounds.

    Fortune? Danger.

    Whoooooo is it?

    THE FAT MAAAAN!"

    I discovered The Fat Man when re-reading Jim Harmon's book, "The Great Radio
    Heros". Another Fat Man reference says the Fat Man was on radio for 6
    seasons. In those days, a radio season was 39 weeks which means there were
    probably more than 200 episodes

    I have a Fat Man MP3 CD with 47 episodes on it. The first 10 episodes have
    broadcast dates, and star Jay Scott Smart as Brad Runyan, The Fat Man. The
    remaining episodes do not have broadcast dates, but their titles all begin
    with "Murder" this and that like the original Fat Man. These episodes are
    most likely the Australian Fat Man, as the Announcer has an Australian
    accent. They don't have the familiar theme, and fewer music bridges.

    Wish more Fat Man episodes were available!

    Jim Kitchen

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    Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:51:19 -0400
    From: Alan/Linda Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Jerry Goldsmith on radio

    I'm preparing a presentation about Jerry Goldsmith, the film music composer.
    I know he did some radio work, particularly the CBS Radio Workshop, among
    others. I'd like to include a little of his radio work in the presentation.
    I'm wondering if anyone on the list might know offhand what shows he scored.
    I'm not asking anyone to do my research for me. I can and certainly will
    start going through episodes to find his on-air credit. But just in case
    someone already knows of one or two, you could save me a lot of time.

    You can contact me off-list, although there might be a few folks out there
    who might like to know this as well. Thanks.

    Alan
    _________________
    Alan/Linda Bell
    Santa Rosa, CA

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