Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #139
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 5/5/2005 10:18 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 139
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Batman Mystery                        [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Batman (almost) Begins                [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      fred allen /portland hoffa            [ <cooldown3@[removed]; ]
      Re: Batman on Radio                   [ "Michael J. Laurino" <mlaurino@[removed] ]
      Orson Welles' Self-Prophecy           [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      Re: Copyright Information             [ LBohall@[removed] ]
      WTIC's Golden Age of Radio            [ "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed]; ]
      brick mush?                           [ "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed]; ]
      Re: LOC et Copyright                  [ Brent Pellegrini <brentpl@rocketmai ]
      re: Batman on radio                   [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
      Re: Donor Restrictions                [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Re: Holy Bat-Radio!                   [ "Brian L Bedsworth" <az2pa@[removed]; ]
      Belated [removed]                     [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
      Arch Oboler show                      [ Illoman <illoman@[removed]; ]
      Re: Bellingham, Wa and the AMRE       [ "[removed]" <donsplace@[removed]; ]
      5-5 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:55:45 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Batman Mystery

    John Mayer commented:

>     But I have on this very computer an episode of _The Batman Mystery Club_.
>     Bruce Wayne, who divulges his Secret Identity to his trusted club members,
>     tells us that this is their 103rd meeting; I assume that translates into at
>     least that many episodes. The tag on this particular show says it was
>     broadcast on Septemeber 5, 1950, just a little over a week short of my fifth
>     birthday. Batman and Robin both appear in action in the story.

    What you have John is an audition recording for a proposed series.  There
    were a few attepts to give BATMAN his own regular radio series (other than
    co-starring alongside Superman on the SUPERMAN radio program).  The Batman
    Mystery Club was recorded in September 1950, but to date, no one has found
    any proof that it was ever broadcast on radio.  It's the only episode of the
    series ever made.  As for the comment that it was their 103rd meeting . . .
    many audition shows avoided the trap of saying that it was the first episode
    of the series.  The idea of an audition is to give potential networks and
    sponsors the opportunity to get an idea of what a regular episode was like
    so producers often worked it into the script to give it the appearance that
    it was just a usual regular episode.  There was not 103 recordings, only one
    ever made.

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 12:57:42 -0400
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Batman (almost) Begins

    Dear  Lloyd, John, & Batfans-
    As Anthony cracks his knuckles & begins to  type, I [removed]

>     ' "Batman Mystery Club 50-09-05 Monster Of Dumphreys  [removed]"  seems to
>     have
>     been a pilot which was never aired. '

    It  is, indeed. And while [removed], it is pretty lacking in real Bat-Action.

>     'My  problem is with two other episodes listed by a hobbyist.
>     "Disk 422 Batman -  014 The Lost Christmas [removed]
>     Disk 422 Batman - The Lazarus [removed]"
>     Ring any bells?'

    Alas, yes. ALMOST sure (especially considering that  The Lazarus Pit is the
    main tool of a VERY latter-day villain, Ras Al Ghul, who  is about to make a
    big splash in the new film) that these two titles are from  the 70's
    children's
    records. Decently produced, and fun to hear, if you're a  fan; but in no way
    OTR.

    Bats Wishes,
    -Craig

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 13:41:25 -0400
    From: <cooldown3@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  fred allen /portland hoffa

    Hi All,

    I am a collector who wonders what the position of the Boston Public Library
    on it's Fred Allen collection in light of the bequest conditions of
    Fred/Portland.

    Is the library actively recruiting for a second tea party?

    Cheers,
    PAtrick

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:29:57 -0400
    From: "Michael J. Laurino" <mlaurino@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Batman on Radio

    Lloyd Harradan <lharradan@[removed]; notes:

>     My problem is with two other episodes listed by a hobbyist.
>     "Disk 422 Batman - 014 The Lost Christmas [removed]

>     Disk 422 Batman - The Lazarus [removed]"

    Over the past fifteen or twenty years BBC radio has occasionally produced
    dramas based on DC comics (Superman, Batman, Dredd).  "The Lazarus
    Syndrome" is one of these.  I haven't seen the title before, but odds are
    "The Lost Christmas Episode" is as well.

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:31:19 -0400
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Orson Welles' Self-Prophecy

    Just listening to the streaming OTR at [removed] on
    iTunes that "[removed]" <asajb2000@[removed]; called to
    our attention. An episode of Suspense dated '44/05/04, in which Orson
    Welles portrays an actor, is playing. Just heard Orson say (as best I
    can remember the line), "What? Give up drink?! Would you have me
    subsist entirely on food and attain the gargantuan proportions of an
    Orson Welles?" Both amusing and prescient. As i recall, Orson Welles
    was of  normal proportions in 1944.

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 14:53:20 -0400
    From: LBohall@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Copyright Information

>     [ADMINISTRIVIA: "Public Domain" is clearly  defined, and the LOC  cannot
>     make
>     decisions on what is and is not properly  covered by copyright,  trademark,
>     or other protection. Let's not beat  up on the LOC when the real  fault is
>     Congress and it's never-ending  copyright protection.   --cfs3]

    As an author, I have to say I  appreciate what the Congress has done. Under
    the old laws, my works would be  in the public domain very [removed] I've
    made precious little royalties  on a novel that took me years to create as it
    is.  People like JRR  Tolkein had to spend a fortune trying to protect their
    works  from  people who issued unapproved editions with no royalties attached
    to  them.  With the new Copyright laws that is much harder to do  [removed]

    Larry

    My new novel, Martyr's Cry: a mystery for  hopeless romantics, is available
    now! Go to [removed] for  more [removed]

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: For a more balanced view (from someone owning more valid
    copyrights than most of his detractors) of why constantly-lengthening
    copyright terms are a disaster to our society at large, please see Lawrence
    Lessig's blog at [removed] - and while you're there,
    download and read the book, "Free Culture" which is available legally for ALL
    under a Creative Commons licence. Professor Lessig makes a very convincing
    case that Congress is protecting the profits of a tiny few who will
    inevitably control our entire culture, precisely the opposite of the intent
    of the Constitution's authors.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 15:30:11 -0400
    From: "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  WTIC's Golden Age of Radio

    I received an e-mail from OTR collector Dave Siegel
    a couple of weeks ago.  Dave had been examining the
    list of Golden Age programs on our website
    [removed]
    and discovered that he had two shows in his collection
    that weren't on our list.

    Dick Bertel, originator and host of the series, immediately
    contacted him and learned that he had copies of a "Hans
    Conreid" interview and a "Tony Marvin" interview.  We
    knew that we were missing several shows, but because
    there was never a master list we couldn't remember
    which ones.

    Dave very kindly sent both shows to us, but when he
    listened to them while dubbing them he realized they were
    of rather poor quality.

    We worked on them, first by EQing the original tapes and
    then by using computer software to improve them still more.
    Hans Conreid is now of broadcast quality and will be heard
    in rotation on our website.

    Tony Marvin, unfortunately, was in worse shape but it is now
    fully understandable and may be used for reference purposes
    at the very least.

    If anyone else has copies of the Golden Age of Radio please
    let Dick or me know.  We are looking, first of all, for a better
    quality copy of Tony Marvin.  We would also like to find a copy
    of "Vincent Price" and "Joan Fontaine" which we remember
    doing.  Anything else not listed on the website would also be
    greatly appreciated.
    --
    Bob Scherago

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 16:19:29 -0400
    From: "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  brick mush?

    Several Vic and Sade episodes contain references to a brick-mush man who
    delivers brick-mush. What the heck is brick-mush? Is it a real substance, or
    something out of Dismal Seepage, Ohio?

    Doug Leary

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 18:09:01 -0400
    From: Brent Pellegrini <brentpl@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: LOC et Copyright

    Anyone know how the LOC feels about copy machines and
    copying pages froma book?

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 18:09:41 -0400
    From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re: Batman on radio

    "Lloyd Harradan" <lharradan@[removed]; wrote:

>     My problem is with two other episodes listed by a hobbyist.
>     "Disk 422 Batman - 014 The Lost Christmas [removed]
>     Disk 422 Batman - The Lazarus [removed]"

>     Ring any bells?

    I suspect "The Lost Christmas Episode" is the 1970s Power Records story
    "Batman: The Christmas Carol Caper." Have you listened to your copy? Is
    it so campy your teeth hurt? Then it's definitely the Power Records LP
    version. They turned out dozens of albums in the 70s based on DC and
    Marvel comics characters, as well as tv shows such as Star Trek. I had
    several of these as a kid. The few I've heard since then are in the "so
    bad they're good" category--outrageously campy fun.

    I believe there was also a BBC broadcast in the 90s based on the
    Knightfall story (the story in which Batman had his back broken and was
    briefly replaced by another guy--remember that? This was right after
    Superman was killed. Needless to say, both Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent
    subsequently resumed their rightful places.)

    Kermyt

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 18:10:14 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Donor Restrictions

    On 5/4/05 12:18 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     I agree with Ellsworth Johnson that shows that are past the copyright
>     deadlines should be released to the public by the Library of Congress. I
>     also think that these shows should be more readily available to the public
>     without so much red tape and such huge fees.

    Unfortunately, it's not simply a matter of copyright. The restrictions on
    the availablity of materials held by the Library are not based on
    copyright so much as they are on the wishes of the donors of the
    materials.

    In most cases, the donors have chosen to deposit materials at the LOC
    specifically because they *do not want them distributed,* and they
    especially don't want them going onto the commercial market. In some
    cases this may be because of copyright issues, but more often other
    concerns are also involved, such as contractural requirements with
    producers, writers, musicians, unions, sponsors, agencies, and other such
    parties. One can argue all they want that sixty or seventy year old
    contracts ought to be meaningless today, but the corporate world doesn't
    work that way. As long as there are lawyers involved, such restrictions
    will exist, and will continute to exist no matter how the copyright
    situation evolves.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:41:27 -0400
    From: "Brian L Bedsworth" <az2pa@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Holy Bat-Radio!

    "Lloyd Harradan" <lharradan@[removed]; recently noted that:

>     My problem is with two other episodes listed by a hobbyist.
>     "Disk 422 Batman - 014 The Lost Christmas [removed]"

    A track from one of Los Angeles alternative-rock radio station KROQ's annual
    "Kevin & Bean" Christmas albums -- in this case, the 2000 release ("The Real
    Slim Santa"). Features Adam West.

>     "Disk 422 Batman - The Lazarus [removed]"

    A BBC production celebrating the character's 50th anniversary (a sequel of
    sorts to the 50th anniversary "Superman On Trial" -- only, one hopes, with
    actual American actors in the American parts, rather than the awful
    Brits-not-really-trying-very-hard-to-emulate-American-accents of the Supes
    programme).

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:19:22 -0400
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Belated [removed]
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    I'm several issues behind w/ these Digests and would like to take this
    opportunity for all
    the folks who've answered the recent batch of questiones I've posted:

    a) OTR [removed] to everybody who weighed in on helping me devise
    OTR-themed
    names for all the tricks & suits employed in the game of poker--with
    shout-outs going out
    to Kenneth Clarke & esp'ly the recent Agatha Award winning author Jack French.
    "Private
    Eyelahes" is available from Ben Ohmart's Bear Manor Media which can be
    accessed
    at [removed] . Since certain other OTR authors who post here feel
    "full
    disclosure" is the order of the day, my name appears in Jack's
    acknowledgments.

    b) Officer Joe [removed] to everybody partic'ly Joe Webb, Jim Burns and
    that "dam
    yankee in VA" Lee Munsick who expanded upon this subject both off- & on-list
    in helping me
    connect one of my childhood TV idols with his OTR announcing credits. It's a
    shame Jim Burns
    & I keep missing each other at the "Billy Rose."

    c) radio call letters & whether WOTW is a viable station [removed] I'd esp'ly
    like to thankagain Lee
    Munsick, & (our man at at VOA) Art Chimes who provided a link which lists US
    radio call letters, which
    is at [removed].  Gracias!

    d) Clarence [removed]' "Vic 'n' Sade" is one of my favourites, I did
    not start
    or add to the recent thread about Mr. Hartzell. I was pleased to learn that he
    was born on 10-26-1910.
    October 26th happens to be my birthday, & learning that I share it w/ Uncle
    Fletcher more than makes
    up for the disappointment I felt when I learned that VnS creator/writer Paul
    Rhymer DIED on
    my second birthday.

    e) Disco & [removed] author & historian Ron Lackmann confirmed for me off-list
    that he, indeed,
    was the author Ronald W. Lackmann who wrote the young adult book "Disco!
    Disco! Disco!,"
    one of many of-the-era books about the disco phenomenon currently on display
    at the NYPL/
    Perf. Arts at Lincoln Center's "Disco!" exhibit. Again, I thank my new pal Jim
    Burns for F/W-ing
    to the Digest the disco/OTR punny song titles I sent him off-list. How they
    ever got posted is
    beyond me as I warned him that Charlie was going to think such was way too
    off-topic.

    f) Cincinnati OTR [removed] a personal note, it was great seeing all my
    friends at the Cincy OTR
    convention last month! I'd esp'ly would like to acknowledge all the kindness
    and empathy many OTR fans
    extended me after I sustained an injury in the hotel's lobby thanks to some
    ripped-up marble floor
    titling, an unevenness in the flooring,  and the hotel's lack of yellow
    warning barricade tape to
    point out this  treacherous condition. My right knee and shin got pretty
    banged up w/
    abrasions and contusions, but fortunately it's been healing up OK in the
    intervening weeks,
    there was no permanent damage, and I didn't require a trip to the emergency
    room. There's
    way too many people to thank in person on this front as I count myself blessed
    that I have many
    friends in this wonderful OTR hobby, but I would like to thank the show's
    organisers Bob Burchett
    and Robert Newman, and my roommate Ken Piletic, who immediately took
    time-stamped
    digital photos of a hotel worker putting up the barricade tape ex post facto
    as well as photos of
    some nasty bruises in the event litigation needed to be pursued.

    Thanks from the ether! Happy Birthday, Will "Sugarfoot" Hutchins! (05-05)

    Derek Tague

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 22:19:45 -0400
    From: Illoman <illoman@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Arch Oboler show

    I have been having difficulty finding an episode of Arch Oboler's Plays
    entitled "Lust for Life". The broadcast date was 8/16/45. Does anyone
    know where I can get a copy of this?

    Thanks,
    Mike
    --
    [removed]~illoman

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    Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 23:58:51 -0400
    From: "[removed]" <donsplace@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Bellingham, Wa and the AMRE
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    I'm not sure whether the curators are on the Digest, but I know that
    a few of the volunteers are.

    And on an OTR note, the museum as a corner set up as a living room/
    library complete with a floor model radio playing OTR. The museum
    also operates a low-power radio station with big band and OTR
    programming and hosts an audio drama group.

    Sadly, my schedule doesn't permit me to participate, but it is by far
    the best museum of any kind that I've visited. The staff and
    volunteers are very knowedgable and helpful, and the exhibits are
    fascinating.

    [removed]
    "You only need two things for repairs - WD-40 and duct tape. If it
    should move and doesn't, WD-40. If it shouldn't move and does, duct
    tape."

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    Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 09:09:56 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  5-5 births/deaths

    May 5th births

    05-05-1890 - Christopher Morley - Haverford, PA - d. 3-28-1957
    author: "Information Please"; "Hallmark Playhouse"; "Studio One"
    05-05-1899 - Freeman F. Gosden - Richmond, VA - d. 12-10-1982
    comedian: "Sam 'n' Henry"; Amos Jones "Amos 'n' Andy"
    05-05-1912 - Alice Faye - NYC - d. 5-9-1998
    singer, actress: "Phil Harris-Alice Faye Show"
    05-05-1912 - Bret Morrison - Chicago, IL - d. 9-25-1978
    actor: Lamont Cranston/Shadow "The Shadow"; Bruce Wayne/Batman "Advs. of
    Superman"
    05-05-1914 - Tyrone Power - Cincinnati, OH - d. 11-15-1958
    actor: Dean Edwards "Freedom [removed]"
    05-05-1915 - Ben Wright - London, England - d. 7-2-1989
    actor: Hey Boy "Have Gun, Will Travel"; Nicholas Lacey "One Man's Family"
    05-05-1919 - George London - Montreal, Canada - d. 3-23-1985
    singer: "The Voice of Firestone"
    05-05-1927 - Jim Lowe - Springfield, MO
    disc jockey, host: (King of Trivia) WNEW New York
    05-05-1927 - Pat Carroll - Shrevport, LA
    actress: "We Hold These Truths"; "Fifty Years After Fourteen August"
    05-05-19xx - Ted Brown - d. 3-20-2005
    announcer: "Magic Carpet"; "Hobby Lobby"; "Scout About Town"

    May 5th deaths

    03-31-1896 - Eddie Dunn - Brooklyn, NY - d. 5-5-1951
    quizmaster: "True or False"
    07-16-1925 - Cal Tjader - St. Louis, MO - d. 5-5-1982
    jazz vibrophonist: "Music for Moderns"; ""Ass-Star Parade of Bands"
    09-04-1891 - Sam Lanin - Philadelphia, PA - d. 5-5-1977
    bandleader: "Ipana Troubadors"; "Benrus Ticksters"
    09-29-1898 - Doris Hursley - WI - d. 5-5-1984
    writer: "American Women"; "Cousin Willie"; "Those Websters"; "The Truitts"
    10-04-1916 - George Sidney - Long Island City, NY - d. 5-5-2002
    film musical director: "Shell Chateau"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-04-1916 - Lenore Kingston - Los Angeles, CA - d. 5-5-1993
    actress: Mercedes Colby "Don Winslow of the Navy"; Jane Daley "Affairs of
    Anthony"
    12-20-1905 - Albert Dekker - Brooklyn, NY - d. 5-5-1968
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    xx-xx-1913 - Jim McClain - d. 5-5-2004
    host: Dr. [removed] "Dr. [removed]"; Dr. [removed] "Dr. [removed] Jr."
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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