Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #293
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Date: 9/27/2005 9:28 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 293
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      When Better is possible, is Good eno  [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      Detective show suggestions            [ Jeff Weaver <jweaver@[removed]; ]
      Radio re-creation groups              [ "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@bas ]
      Audio Drama at the AES show           [ "David K. Bialik" <dkbialik@[removed] ]
      Live Radio on Stage in San Francisco  [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
      OTR reminders in strange [removed]    [ "Mark Wuellner" <mwuellne@[removed] ]
      Detective Shows                       [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
      re: Detective Show Suggestions        [ "Michael Guccione" <jetbonami@hotma ]
      Re: Ed Murrow film                    [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
      Request                               [ NightMaster <nightmaster@[removed] ]
      RE: MP3 Format                        [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      OTR on CDs, LOA                       [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
      country v. cowboys songs              [ "--" <rmc44@[removed]; ]
      Compression & [removed]            [ "Jed Dolnick" <jdolnick@[removed] ]
      9-27 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      responce to Ted                       [ Ruk77@[removed] ]

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:47:37 -0400
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  When Better is possible, is Good enough?

    From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL"  [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RE: MP3  Format

>     ...for spoken word, the quality is at least
>     as good as the  original was, when broadcast over AM, with a 5kHz limit ...

    Dear  B. Ray, & gang-

    No offense meant, but that reasoning has always  eluded me.

    In this, "The (New) Age of Restoration," when things are done  technically
    right, the audio quality of Classic Era from-original-disc material  can be
    breathtaking. Listen to a CD from Ed Carr, or FGRA, [removed]

    To back  off from that, is like saying, "Sure, I know that a new
    from-the-negative,  frame-by-frame digital restoration of my favorite
    Hollywood Classic
    Film looks  better than anyone ever saw it, save the original editor - but I'm
    happy  with  my slp-mode VHS, of a worn, cut, panned & scanned 16mm TV print,
    'cause that's how I first watched it."

    Oh, well. Matter of taste, I  guess.

    Best,
    -Craig

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:48:50 -0400
    From: Jeff Weaver <jweaver@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Detective show suggestions
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    On Sep 26, 2005, at 12:10 PM, [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     Detective show suggestions

    How about Nick Carter: Master Detective as well as Boston Blackie.
    These shows are always fun for my wife and me. Plus she adores Box
    13, not really a Detective by trade, but it fits in the genre.

    Jeffrey

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:50:07 -0400
    From: "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@[removed];
    To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Radio re-creation groups

    Howard Blues request fro info on upcoming radio re-creations reminded me
    that I have a question and have been forgetting to post it.

    Does anyone know if there is an on-line group or website or digest or
    something specificlly aimed at troupes that perform re-creations.

    Something like a twelve-step program for re-creationists?  (Just kidding.)
    But a forum for such groups to exchange ideas, [removed]

    Ted

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Not a bad idea, actually; if anyone is interested in starting
    such a mailing list, contact me. There's certainly room on the [removed]
    server for such a [removed]  --cfs3]

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:52:33 -0400
    From: "David K. Bialik" <dkbialik@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Audio Drama at the AES show

    Broadcast Legend HIMAN BROWN Presents Marion SELDES, AND Paul Hecht in 119th
    AES CONVENTION live AUDIO PRODUCTION

    NEW YORK: Broadcast legend, Himan Brown, producer of such classic radio
    programs as Inner Sanctum, Dick Tracey, and The CBS Mystery Theater,
    presents Rockets Red Glare, a recording session of a rare live audio drama
    at the 119th AES Convention at the Javits Center Friday, October 7th 5:00PM
    -6:00PM. Scripted by Jerome Coopersmith, this special AES Historical and
    Broadcast Event features esteemed film and stage actors Marion Seldes,
    (Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, Mona Lisa Smile), Paul Hecht (Rosencrantz and
    Guildenstern Are Dead, Miami Vice), Bob Balaban (Seinfeld) and Russell
    Horton (Law and Order, Miami Vice).

    Based on the classic film Twelve Angry Men, Rockets Red Glare, is an
    hour-long drama focusing on the real life of George Voskovec, an actor and
    writer who escaped from the Nazis to a new life in America. The recorded
    performance will be made available on CD to AES members.

    "This is a stirring story about one man's search for freedom," says Brown,
    whose foundation, Radio Drama Network, is funding this performance for the
    Audio Engineering Society as part of its Historical Program. "Jerome
    Coopersmith's script poses some intriguing questions about freedom and
    democracy."

    Hi Brown, is one of the most influential producers in radio history. He has
    produced more than 30,000 shows over a span of 65 years. A member of the
    Radio Hall of Fame, he is also the recipient of The American Broadcast
    Pioneer and the prestigious Peabody Awards.

    In recent years, through his non-profit educational foundation, Brown has
    created a series of radio theater biographies entitled, They Were Giants,
    dramatizing the lives of such literary figures as Walt Whitman and [removed]
    Wells. Additional projects include We, The Living, a series of reality
    dramas about the vibrant lives of senior citizens. He also teaches SVA and
    Brooklyn College audio drama production.

    "We are honored to have Himan Brown produce this thought-provoking audio
    drama for the AES Historical Program," says AES Historical Committee chair
    Harry Hirsch. "Broadcast Events Chair David Bialik has done a remarkable job
    in coordinating this event. Hi Brown is an amazing force in broadcasting and
    the performance promises to be a highlight of this years' convention."

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:58:13 -0400
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Live Radio on Stage in San Francisco

    NBC's radio sleuth, Candy Matson, will have her case "Cable Car Murder"
    re-created on stage in San Francisco on Sunday, Oct 16th.  The One Act
    Players will perform this radio show at the Florence Gould Theater, in
    the Palace of the Legion of Honor at 2 PM.  Also on the playbill is a
    new dramatization of Sherlock Holmes' signature case, "A Scandal in
    Bohemia" as well as one of Hal Glatzer's mini-mysteries, the tongue
    twisting, alliterative story, "Vengeance in Vegas." Tickets are only $
    15 and some discounts apply.  For more details, telephone 415-519-1728
    or visit <[removed]>

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:59:37 -0400
    From: "Mark Wuellner" <mwuellne@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR reminders in strange [removed]

    Sitting outside of a restaurant in Chicago last week when a bus drove by
    carrying an advertisement for the new TV show, "Invasion".

    The advertisement was a blurry picture of someone looking up at a starlit
    night sky, accompanied by a tagline to the effect of, "Are you ready for the
    INVASION?".  The ad also said, "Wednesday at 7pm (or whatever day and time
    it premiered) on ABC".

    I couldn't help but be reminded of the classic Ray Bradbury tale, "Zero
    Hour", which tells the tale of the kids playing the game "Invasion" and
    awaiting the arrival of Drill on a certain day at a certain time.  Here's
    the radio connection, of course: the tale was dramatized vividly by some of
    radio's best shows.

    I'm sure that the ad group that put together this new "Invasion" campaign
    wasn't trying to use "Zero Hour" as a model, but I couldn't help but notice
    the similarities.

    Mark

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:51:44 -0400
    From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Detective Shows
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            If I were to suggest some detective shows, I believe I'd select
    "Big Town", "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar", "Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost
    Persons", "The Adventures of Sam Spade", "Dragnet", "The Shadow",
    and "The Fat Man".  There are many others, of course, but these are
    the ones which jumped immediately to my mind.
    Another OTR Fan,

    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:42:03 -0400
    From: "Michael Guccione" <jetbonami@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re: Detective Show Suggestions

    Although not a detective show in a gun toting sense, 'Night Beat' with Frank
    Lovejoy as Randy Stone, fits the bill as a reporter on the prowl for a story
    to publish in his column. He's got all the characteristics of a detective
    type, does a voice over narration, knows the local cops, thugs, boxers, etc.
    except this guy carries a pen instead of a gat so to speak. He closes each
    show with an unforgettable Paul Harvey-esque two word signature ending.

    In my opinion this is one of the best written (detective) shows in all of
    OTR and well casted.

    Michael G

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:32:26 -0400
    From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:  Ed Murrow film

    Jim Widner wrote:

>     Warner Brothers is not releasing it into wide audience release until
>     October 7th. They must have seen a special publicity showing.

    I don't know the protocol regarding publishing reviews of films not yet in
    wide release which are screened at film festivals.  Clooney's film was the
    opening night film at the NY Film Festival which began Sept 23.   Since the
    review in the NY Times was dated Sept 23, we can assume some media reviewers
    saw it before then.
    Irene

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:33:00 -0400
    From: NightMaster <nightmaster@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Request

    I would like to add my request to that of Tom L. Barnett, and would
    appreciate being contacted off line to get some info on converting
    tape to MP3 and standard audio CDs.
    This is not a test; it is an actual [removed]
    Thanx in advance,
    ~GORDON  R  GUY

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:26:58 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RE: MP3 Format

    From: [removed]@[removed]

>     RE: MP3 Format
>     for spoken word, the quality is at least as good as the
>     original was, when broadcast over AM, with a 5kHz limit.

    It has been discussed here in the past, but during the OTR years there
    never was any limit to the audio high frequency response of AM radio,
    either legal or technical.  Transmitters were routinely capable of over 10
    KHz. frequency response in the mid-1930s, and to 14 KHz. in the post-war
    years.  Many console radios had response to 8 KHz. and there were some
    super radios like the Scott which could get to 15 KHz. by the mid-to late
    30s.  Nationwide, the main trunks of the broadcast line system had response
    to at least 10 KHz., and lines could be obtained to 15 KHz. by 1932.

    The old wives tale about the 5 KHz. limit concerns the realization that the
    higher audio frequencies would extend beyond the assigned channel to the
    first-adjacent channel.  But that was never considered a problem because
    adjacent channel stations were located with large geographical distances
    between them.  So stations were free to broadcast wideband audio.  Indeed,
    when the extra channels were added above 1500 in 1934, those stations were
    REQUIRED to broadcast wideband audio.

    Although it has been repeated here as recently yesterday that some people
    remember listening to cheap lousy radios in their otr childhood, that was
    not everybody's experience.  I am sure that the AM/FM/SW/Phono console that
    my parents bought in 1940 provided quite a wideband audio sound, especially
    considering that we lived in New York City where the transmitters were
    linked to the studios by 15 KHz. lines.  And remember, there were FM
    stations as early as 1939, and these were part of OTR in many cities during
    the war years and after.

    It is only in the last ten years that there has been a restriction to 9
    KHz. response for transmitters as a way of overcoming the reluctance of the
    radio manufacturers to make AM radios with decent bandwidth.  Radios made
    before 1970 will often have much wider response than newer sets.

    One last point about the spoken word.  The human voice contains audio
    frequencies that extend far out to the upper limits of hearing.  While it
    is possible to make an intelligible recording with a 5 KHz response, in
    order to make an accurate recording you need at least a 15 KHz. response.
    High frequencies are very prized for spoken word recordings.  Just look at
    the microphones chosen by quality broadcasters even now.  And remember, the
    RCA 44 and 77 ribbon microphones used during the OTR era had response to
    and above 15 KHz. and are still highly prized by recording studios as some
    of the best sounding microphones ever made.

    Michael Biel   mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:46:16 -0400
    From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR on CDs, LOA

    Thus spake S Jansen:  "Well, you should be able to fit 80 minutes
    uncompressed on a cd: two
    30-min shows and one 15-min, and a cd sure takes up less space than a reel
    or
    a cassette."

    If you are storing wav files on a CD Rom you do not need to store as stereo
    files, unless your original material is stereo, not normally the case with
    OTR. While you won't get twice the amount of material on a CD Rom using this
    method, owing to the error correction data, you will get a lot more than 80
    minutes.

    =============================

    "Those twenty or so Radio Orphan Annie shows from 1936 were discovered,
    cleaned up, and released
    by them two years ago.  If you appreciate that they exist at all, let alone
    in pristine gorgeous cd audio, you will purchase them from FGRA, and NOT
    from
    any other dealer or hobbyist."

    Actually, 2 of the eps were known to exist prior to the FGRA discovery, but
    all circulate in the top quality transfers owning to the FGRA efforts, so I
    must echo my support for this statement, one which I make in collector's
    classical music areas as well. Folks, if the incentive to do this kind of
    work is completely removed, why would someone bother to do it? Not that FGRA
    is out to make $$$ anyway, but they have hard costs like the rest of us.

    js

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:47:52 -0400
    From: "--" <rmc44@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  country v. cowboys songs

    I don't know the precise defintion, but I believe Ray Druian is
    correct in that there is a distinction between country music and
    cowboy music. Thus the term, country and Western (cowboy) music.

    Western singers sing songs of their horses, their cows, starry
    skies above ... while country singers sing songs about their
    pickup trucks, their favorite girlfriend(s) and beer (all beer is
    their favorite) -- usually with incredibly bad grammar. And
    that's why the Lone Ranger, had he sung, would be a Western
    singer, not a country singer.

    Bob Cockrum

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    Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:08:18 -0400
    From: "Jed Dolnick" <jdolnick@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Compression & [removed]

    Just a brief "thank you" for the various comments here and via e-mail in
    response to my question/comment on compression.

    Jed

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    Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:32:27 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  9-27 births/deaths

    September 27th births

    09-27-1885 - Harry Blackstone - Chicago, IL - d. 11-16-1965
    magician: "Harry Blackstone, the Magic Detective" based on him.
    09-27-1887 - Pat "Uncle Ezra" Barrett - Holden, MO - d. 3-25-1959
    actor: "National Barn Dance"; Uncle Ezra "Uncle Ezra"
    09-27-1893 - Phil Cook - Coldwater, MI - d. 9-18-1958
    comedian: "Radio Chief"; "Quaker Oats Man"; "Morning Almanac"
    09-27-1898 - Vincent Youmans - New York City, NY - d. 4-5-1946
    composer: "Chicago Theatre of the Air"
    09-27-1913 - Hugh Rowlands - Racine, WI - d. 1-5-1978
    actor: Trigger Brett "Island Venture"; Jimmy "Tom Mix"
    09-27-1915 - Cy Howard - Wisconsin - d. 4-29-1993
    creator, writer, producer: "Life with Luigi"; "My Friend Irma"; "Milton Berle
    Show"
    09-27-1915 - Frank Gerstle - d. 2-23-1970
    actor: "Escape"; "NBC University Theatre"; "Six Shooter"; "Gunsmoke"
    09-27-1917 - William Orr - d. 12-25-2002
    actor: "Hollywood Theatre Group"
    09-27-1918 - James McCallion - Glasgow, Scotland - d. 7-11-1991
    actor: Stephen Dallas "Stella Dallas"; Sydney Lawrence "One Man's Family"
    09-27-1920 - Jayne Meadows - Wu Chang, China
    actress: "Hollywood Star Preview"
    09-27-1920 - William Conrad - Louisville, KY - d. 2-11-1994
    actor: Matt Dillon "Gunsmoke"; Louis Dumont "Jason and His Golden Fleece"
    09-27-1921 - Carol Thurston - Forsyth, MT - d. 12-31-1969
    actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    09-27-1923 - Mary McCarthy - Winfield, KS (Raised: Los Angeles, CA) - d.
    4-3-1980
    actress: "MGM Musical Comey Theatre"
    09-27-1934 - Claude Jarman, Jr. - Nashville, TN
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    09-27-1934 - DickSchaap - New York City, NY - d. 12-21-2001
    sportscaster: "Sports Answer Man: "Sports Week"

    September 27th deaths

    01-03-1900 - Cecil Underwood - Vienna, MO - d. 9-27-1976
    producer, director: "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "Great Gildersleeve"
    01-09-1898 - Gracie Fields - Rochdale, Lancashire, England - d. 9-27-1979
    comedienne, singer: "Gracie Fields Victory Show"; "Gracie Fields Show"
    01-12-1896 - Harry Reser - Piqua, OH - d. 9-27-1965
    bandleader: "Cliquot Club Eskimos"
    01-13-1914 - Stanley Waxman - Ohio - d. 9-27-1998
    actor: "Escape"; "Man Called X"; "Tell It Again"; "Presenting Charles Boyer"
    03-06-1885 - Ring Lardner - Niles, MI - d. 9-27-1933
    writer: "Hallmark Hall of Fame"; "NBC Presents: Short Story"
    05-21-1904 - Robert Montgomery - Beacon, NY - d. 9-27-1981
    actor: "Doctor Fights"; "Suspense"; "This Is War"
    06-26-1914 - Babe Didrikson Zaharias - Port Arthur, TX - d. 9-27-1956
    all-around athlete: "Babe Didrikson Zaharia Sports Show"
    07-29-1905 - Clara Bow - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-27-1965
    actress: (The It Girl) "Kay Parker in Hollywood"
    08-11-1902 - Lloyd Nolan - San Francisco, CA - d. 9-27-1985
    actor: Johnny Strange "Results Inc."; Martin Kane "Martin Kane, Private Eye"
    08-28-1925 - Donald O'Connor - Chicago, IL - d. 9-27-2003
    comedian, actor: "Ginny Simms Show"; "Philip Morris Playhouse"; "Suspense"
    10-04-1909 - James Webb - Denver, CA (that is right, CA) - d. 9-27-1974
    screenwriter: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:11:15 -0400
    From: Ruk77@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  responce to Ted
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    Ted, I just would like to say, that you are one of the [removed]
    [removed] guys of the OTR world. I have gotten some great stuff off of you
    and even
    traded you some stuff that I had.  My only sad thought, with respect for guys
    like you who have been around for a long time putting serious time and money
    into collecting, is how does a beginner like myself or anyone else break into
    the circle of "rare shows". I have listened to everything out there available.
    I have even found some very nice people that allowed me a few rare ones. I am
    not a trader, or a seller. I am just simply a guy who wants to hear more
    shows that are in existance but are not available. I would pay almost any
    amount
    at this point, or sign any legal document stating that i would not trade, just
    to hear one or two Inner Sanctums, or Suspence episodes that I have not heard.
    I guess I just need to get my butt to a convention and meet some of you
    people face to face. I don't know where this discussion ends. I just hope
    that the
    people who relly love the art-form, and aren't looking for a way to make
    money, will be able to one day hear the great shows that were broadcast for
    the
    world to hear.
    God bless.
    JR

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