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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2008 : Issue 131
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  older voices                          [ "Bob C" <rmc44@[removed]; ]
  Cinnamon Bear in Australia            [ Harlan Zinck <radiovoice@[removed]; ]
  5-23 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  Potawatomie ... chanukkah ... etc.    [ James H Arva <wilditralian@[removed] ]
  Re: Jackson Beck                      [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]

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Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:28:26 -0400
From: "Bob C" <rmc44@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  older voices

Ben asks about stereotyping of old men's voices as being
high-pitched. I guess in real life my experience is that maybe a
third of the seniors do have a deeper, grumpier voice ... a
third, not much change from younger years ... and a third have
higher-pitched voices. So it varies. Maybe Jack Benny and others
did old-timers the way they did because they couldn't manage a
deeper voice along the lines of E. Scrooge or Father Barbour.

Bob Cockrum

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Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 19:29:35 -0400
From: Harlan Zinck <radiovoice@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cinnamon Bear in Australia
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Ian Grieve wrote:

Whilst researching Radio station 4BC in Brisbane, believed responsible for
the 2nd series of 26 episodes of the Australian version of The Witch's Tale,
I found this link [removed] regarding Cinnamon
Bear. I wasn't aware that the series was broadcast in Australia, however the
back page of this song book tells otherwise.

This is really fascinting, Ian! I also wasn't aware that the Bear aired in
Australia -- but, for me, the most interesting thing is that the Australian
sheet music cover varies significantly from the standard issue Transco sheet
music distributed in the United States. Though very similar, the art for
Australia features a Cinnamon Bear that is not a traditional teddy bear but,
rather, a koala bear! Makes perfect sense, of course, considering that Koala
Jelly Crystals sponsored the program on 4BC. I wonder if the disc labels were
the same for Australia as for the U. S. -- and, also, who did the
disc?pressings for overseas distribution.

BTW, here's a page that will show you the American sheet music art and disc
labels:

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Interesting, too, that the series didn't air on 4BC on a five-a-week basis
but, rather, on Mondays and Wednesdays. Thus, rather than airing between
November and December, it would have had a full thirteen-week run. Assuming
it ended on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day, it would have to have first been
heard in mid-September.

Just goes to prove that, when it comes to old time radio, the more you think
you know, the more you discover that you don't!

Harlan Zinck
First Generation Radio Archives

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Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 06:56:23 -0400
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  5-23 births/deaths

May 23rd births

05-23-1882 - James Gleason - NYC - d. 4-12-1959
actor: "Jimmy Gleason's Diner"
05-23-1883 - Douglas Fairbanks - Denver, CO - d. 12-12-1939
commentator: "KHJ Los Angeles 1921"
05-23-1890 - Herbert Marshall - London, England - d. 1-22-1966
actor: Ken Thurston "Man Called X"
05-23-1898 - Frank McHugh - Homestead, PA - d. 9-11-1981
actor: Fairchild Finnegan "Phone Again Finnegan"
05-23-1901 - Arch McDonald - Hot Spring, AR - d. 10-16-1960
sportscaster: Washington Senators and Washington Redskins
05-23-1907 - Carlyne Stevens - Parkhill, Canada - d. 10-1-1961
announcer: "Cavalcade of America"; "Roxy's Gang"; "Atlantic Family"
05-23-1907 - Kenneth Griffin - Enid, Oklahoma Territory - d. 1-3-1951
actor: Larry Noble "Mary Noble, Backstage Wife"
05-23-1908 - Frederick Thwaites - Balmain, Australia - d. 8-13-1979
writer: "Beyond the Rainbow"
05-23-1910 - Artie Shaw - NYC - d. 12-30-2004
bandleader: "Melody and Madness"; "George Burns and Gracie Allen Show"
05-23-1910 - Benjamin "Scatman" Crothers - Terre Haute, IN - d.
11-26-1986
jazz musician: early radio into the 40s
05-23-1911 - Dorothy Lee - Los Angeles, CA - d. 6-24-1999
singer: "Fred Waring and His Pennsylvanians"
05-23-1912 - Betty Astell - London, England - d. 7-27-2005
panelist: "Does the Team Think"
05-23-1912 - John Payne - Roanoke, VA - d. 12-6-1989
actor: "Hollywood Star Preview"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
05-23-1912 - Marius Goring - Newport, Isle of Wight, England - d.
9-30-1998
actor: Sir Percy Blakeney/Scarlet Pimpernel "Scarlet Pimpernel"
05-23-1917 - Murray McLean - Chicago, IL - d. 4-2-1995
actor: Jimmy Allen "Air Adventures of Jimmy Allen"
05-23-1919 - Betty Garrett - St. Joseph, MO
singer-actor: "Savings Bond Show"; "Guest Star"; "Showtime"
05-23-1921 - Helen O'Connell - Lima, OH - d. 9-9-1993
singer: (Jimmy Dorsey Band) "Kraft Music Hall"; "Fitch Bandwagon"
05-23-1921 - Humphrey Lyttelton - Windsor, England - d. 4-25-2008
host: "I'm Sorry, I Haven't A Clue"
05-23-1921 - Ray Lawler - Footscray, Australia
writer: "Summer of the Seventeenth Doll"
05-23-1927 - Gerald Hiken - Milwaukee, WI
actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
05-23-1928 - Rosemary Clooney - Maysville, KY - d. 6-29-2002
singer: "Rosemary Clooney Show"; "On the Sunny Side"
05-23-1953 - Ronald Frame - Glasgow, Scotland
author: "Winter Journey" adapted from his novel of the same name

May 23rd deaths

03-08-1910 - Victor Wolfson - NYC - d. 5-23-1990
author of radio plays
03-11-1907 - Walter Alden Richards - Springfield, IL - d. 5-23-1988
editor, writer: "Cavalcade of America"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
03-15-1915 - David Schoenbrun - NYC - d. 5-23-1988
news correspondent: CBS News, Paris; "CBS Radio Workshop"
03-20-1828 - Henrik Ibsen - Skien, Norway - d. 5-23-1906
playwright: Many of his works adapted for radio
03-26-1916 - Sterling Hayden - Montclair, NJ - d. 5-23-1986
actor: "We the People"
05-27-1912 - Slammin' Sammy Snead - Ashwood, VA - d. 5-23-2002
golf legend: "Kraft Music Hall"
06-03-1918 - Patrick Cargill - London, England - d. 5-23-1996
actor: "Brothers in Law"
07-10-1894 - Jimmy McHugh - Boston, MA - d. 5-23-1969
song writer: "Cavalcade of Music"; "It's Time to Smile"; "The Navy
Sings"
07-19-1896 - Merle Kendrick - d. 5-23-1968
orchestra conductor: "Cabin B-13"
07-22-1874 - Arthur Maitland - d. 5-23-1959
actor: Zeke "David Harum"; Mr. Weatherby "Archie Andrews"
08-04-1915 - William Keene - Pennsylvania - d. 5-23-1992
actor: Red Lantern "Land of the Lost"
09-11-1915 - Athena Lorde - NYC - d. 5-23-1973
actor: Maggie Sprague "Young Widder Brown"; Sherry "Front Page Farrell"
09-12-1914 - Eddy Howard - Woodland, CA - d. 5-23-1963
bandleader, singer: "Carton of Cheer"; "Gay Mrs. Featherstone"
09-24-1886 - James Burke - NYC - d. 5-23-1968
actor: producer: "Rose of My Dreams"
10-01-1910 - Bonnie Parker - Rowena, TX - d. 5-23-1934
outlaw, murderess: Subject on "Gang Busters"
10-07-1900 - Heinrich Himmler - Munich, Germany - d. 5-23-1945
nazi leader: "This is a Chapter of Glory"
10-28-1886 - Ruth Gates - Denton, TX - d. 5-23-1966
actor: Mrs Lenord "Amanda of Honeymoon Hill"
10-31-1900 - Neal Bliss Enslen - Delphos, OH - d. 5-23-1938
opera singer, announcer: "The Baldwin Concert"; "The Slumber Hour"
11-04-1912 - Humphrey Davis - Meriden, CT - d. 5-23-1987
actor: Al Douglas "Life Can Be Beautiful"; Sheriff Jackson "Tennessee
Jed"
12-26-1912 - Oscar Saul - NYC - d. 5-23-1994
writer: "Health for America"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 06:57:14 -0400
From: James H Arva <wilditralian@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Potawatomie ... chanukkah ... etc.

05-23-08

As an amateur linguist who enjoys having fun with language differences, I
might comment that arguing about the English-language spelling of a word
indiginous to a language that does not use our letter symbols is really a
moot point.  The correct English spelling is anything that will cause an
English-language reader to approximately recreate the right sequence of
sounds.

The spelling of "Channuka" is an English-language approximation that
attempts to duplicate the sound.  The *correct* spelling is whatever the
proper sequence of Hebrew letters is for that word.  There *is* no
English-language equivalent of the oyster-hocking sound that begins that
word, but there is a *Hebrew* letter for that sound.  The sound is quite
similar to the Spanish pronunciation of a "j" ... like in, "Jose".

I doubt that the Potawatamie Indians even *had* a written phonetic
language, so there is no correct spelling for that.  Are the Greek
stuffed grape leaves "dolmathes" or "dolmades"?  It doesn't really
matter, because the correct spelling is a Greek word using Greek
characters.  That sound in question is halfway atwixt a "d" and a "th",
for which there is a letter in the Greek alphabet ... but no such sound
in the English language.  Actually, it's pronounced like a Spanish "d"
that occurs between vowels.

Jim

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Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:28:03 -0400
From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Jackson Beck

Hello all

My question crosses  radio, and movie, genres.  Recently, I watched a Jimmy
Stewart movie titled, The Jackpot. The readers  digest version is; Jimmy, and
his wife, win a radio show contest, and are  awarded $24,[removed] in prizes.
They
later learn they are responsible for the  taxes on their loot. One of the
prizes is a portrait of Jimmy, painted by a well  known female artist. Jimmy
meets the artist in her hotel room, and realizes he  has put himself in a
rather
dangerous position. While the artist is in another  room changing clothes,
Jimmy leaves her room hurriedly, and as he is leaving, a  voice says; "Still
Posing Bill?" Jimmy replies they are almost finished, and as  he says that, a
man
walks through the scene very quickly, and says; "Oh. That's  too bad." I have
tried to find a good of Jackson Beck, and have had no luck.  However. The
voice
certainly sounds like Beck, and although I can find no credit  for him in the
movie, I am almost certain it was him. No mistaking that voice.

Does anyone know where I can find a photo of Beck?

Thanks

Charlie North

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