Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #126
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Date: 4/1/2002 8:36 AM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 126
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE      [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
  Big John & Sparky                     [ "Sherry Casper-Beliveau" <[removed] ]
  WFUV-FM                               [ "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed]; ]
  Re: Recycled Scripts                  [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
  "Suspense" question answered          [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
  Re: Roosevelt vs. The Penguin         [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
  Re: Aunt Miltie?                      [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
  Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  A&A TV scripts                        [ "Richard Carpenter" <sinatra@raging ]
  How Rumors Get Started, Part XXXIIII  [ Kubelski@[removed] ]
  Barry Took Dies                       [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Same Script, Different Actors         [ Carolie Minuscule <daggerofthemind2 ]
  Sheet music                           [ "Nemesis@[removed]" <nemesis@[removed] ]
  Suspense cast question                [ "Nemesis@[removed]" <nemesis@[removed] ]
  a great Archie site                   [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
  New Archie Andrews found?             [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  Milton Berle                          [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  FRED ALLEN                            [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:58:20 -0500
From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE

Here's the OTRN schedule for the week starting  3/31 - at
[removed]         24/7  High end streaming audio   New shows
every Sunday.

SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges
1. The Six Shooter - 04/15/54  "Crisis at Easter Creek"
2. THe Life of Riley - 03/27/48  "The Giant Easter Bunny"
3. Amos & Andy    - 03/30/45   "Easter Hat"
4. Family Theater  - 03/25/48    "The Passion and Death"

HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood
1. The Haunting Hour - 1946 - "A Likely Murder Story"
2. The Magnificent Montague - 4/1950  Audition Show - with Monty Woolley -
Listen
    for Art Carney as "Cyril"
3. Theatre Five - 09/16/64 - "The Noon Stars" - a genuine mid-1960's show with
    star, Raymond Edward Johnson  and announcer, Fred Foy.

Happy Easter form Tom & Jerry

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:58:31 -0500
From: "Sherry Casper-Beliveau" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Big John & Sparky

Hi,
I'm new to old time radio.  The only show I remember hearing on the radio is
Radio Mystery Theater as a child in the 70s-80's.  My mom told me that she
loved a kids show called Big John and [removed] anyone know if there are
any surviving shows and if there are any dealers that have them?
thanks much,
Sherry

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:58:55 -0500
From: "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: WFUV-FM

Regarding Elizabeth's posting in which she mentioned that WFUV at Fordham
Univ. has played Fred Allen [removed]

Through the magic of the Internet, WFUV can be heard on your web browser.
Scanning quickly over their upcoming schedule, the only OTR I could see is
Sunday nights, midnight-1AM EST. Tonight's program is The Magic Key of RCA
(6/7/36), starring Stoopnagle & Bud, Joseph Kinitza, Marion Telva and Shep
Fields.

Website with schedule:  [removed]
Live broadcast stream:  [removed]

Not sure about Netscape, but if you use Internet Explorer all you have to do
is click to listen.

Doug Leary

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:02:02 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Recycled Scripts

Carolie Minuscule <daggerofthemind2000@[removed]; wrote:

 > This practice was not confined to radio, either.

I recall _The Outsider_ with Darren McGavin became _The Rockford Files_,
with James Garner. Similar down-and-out detective, similar phone-ringing
opening (harkening back to _Sam Spade_ from OTR), and, the first year,
many of the same scripts, barely altered. In the first Outsider episode
the main character is cheated and betrayed at every turn; at the end he
learns the insurance agent he was working for has just made a better
deal with the criminal and intends to stiff him. Crestfallen he leaves
the man's office to discover that someone has hit his car, smashing the
front fender, and has left a note that reads, "The people watching me
write this think I'm leaving my name and number. I'm not." And he drove
the car with that dented fender through the rest of the series.
Apparently, some committee thought the lack of a cool car might have
been why the first series failed, so in the Rockford version the damage
is promptly repaired.

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:02:25 -0500
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Suspense" question answered

Bruce Wilson referred me to: [removed]
I & my coworkers now know the cast:

Broadcast Information:
   CATCH ME IF YOU CAN, episode 328, was broadcast on Thursday, February 17,
1949.
   Starring Jane Wyman.

   From The RadioGOLDINdex log for Thursday, February 17, 1949: CBS net.
"Catch
Me If You Can". Sponsored by: Auto-Lite. A woman kills her husband, and
then is
forced to find evidence of her crime, while guessing which of her snow-bound
companions is the detective. Jane Wyman, Frank Lovejoy, Raymond Burr, Sylvia
Richards (adaptor), Pat McGear (author), Lucien Moraweck (composer), Lud
Gluskin
(conductor), Anton M. Leader (director), Harlow Wilcox (announcer). 30:48.
Audio
condition: Excellent. Complete.

Script Information:
   CATCH ME IF YOU CAN  by RICHARDS, SYLVIA
   based on CATCH ME IF YOU CAN (novel) by MCGERR, PATRICIA.

Thanks, [removed]

Herb Harrison

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:03:00 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Roosevelt vs. The Penguin

khovard@[removed] wrote:

Robson and Lorentz knew this and decided that with the
hate campaign against FDR gaining strength, they had best not circulate
the script around CBS.

Which reminds me of a a long-standing suspicion of mine (one only
tangentially related to OTR, I fear, for which I apologize). Could Batman's
nemesis The Penguin have been intended as a sly dig at Roosevelt. The pince
nez and the cigarette holder are suggestive, and possibly even his waddling
walk (though I know Roosevelt tried to keep his advancing paralysis secret).
The Penguin made his appearance just at the outbreak of WW II, so an overt
attack on Roosevelt seems unlikely, but I know he had plenty of detractors
during his presidency (and even today we hear laments about the "terrible
legacy of the New Deal"). I don't recall ever seeing pictures of Roosevelt in
top hat and tails, but it was common in those days to depict politicians and
diplomats in such attire. Just curious, and I've got a hunch if there was
ever any rumor of a DC (the comics company, not the town) vendetta against
Roosevelt, someone here will have heard of it.

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:03:36 -0500
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re:  Aunt Miltie?
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Lee Munsick said:

After the talk, I went up to the speaker and told him, "Don't you know who
started those rumors about President Lincoln and President Davis being seen
in drag?"

He bit:  "No, I don't!"
I said, "It could only have been one person.  Milton Berle!"

Wonderful line, Lee.   :))  As with many others, TV began for me with Uncle
Miltie.  We didn't have a TV as early as others did.  My dad wanted to be sure
it would 'last' before investing any money in it so I had to wangle invites
from neighborhood friends to watch and I remember how we all laughed so hard.
We just loved him and wondered what outrageous thing he would do the next
week.

In 1961 or 1962 Milton Berle became part of a sad memory, the death of Ernie
Kovacs,  who will always be one of my favorites.  He was killed in an
automobile accident on the way home from a party at Milton Berle's house.
Was Ernie ever on radio?   He started out in Philadelphia and his morning TV
program moved to CBS in NYC from there around 1951.

IreneTH@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:03:42 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in radio history

  From Those Were The Days --

1953 - Cavalcade of America was heard for the final time on network
radio. It had been the longest-running show of its kind. Cavalcade of
America presented dramatized events in American history for 18 years.

  Joe

--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:03:56 -0500
From: "Richard  Carpenter" <sinatra@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: A&A TV scripts

   The thread about recycled radio scripts causes me to
wonder: How many of the Amos 'n' Andy TV shows were
based on plots from the radio show: All? Many? Or just
some? I know at least some were because I recall a TV
plot about A & A's parking-lot business that was
familiar to me from the radio show.

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:14:04 -0500
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: How Rumors Get Started, Part XXXIIII
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Phil Mushnick of the New York Post wrote a very interesting column today,
which I will excerpt as part of a review:

"The YES Network has been featuring a "Yankee-ography" of Babe Ruth, one that
contains a radio call of his 60th home run in 1927. One problem: There is no
surviving radio call of Ruth's 60th, not a real one, anyway. YES has been
using a re-created call made in Yankee Stadium in 1972 by Marty Appel, then a
young Yankees' public-relations assistant. Appel, feeling the tape was "too
amateurish" for public consumption, ditched it in his Yankee Stadium office.
But, in what was a comical shock to Appel, the tape resurfaced two years ago
and was placed within a Yankees'
historical CD, ostensibly as the real thing."

It seems as though following the 30-something years since "I Can It Hear It
Now," came out some in the media are finally wising up to faked radio
broadcasts and calling out those who use them in a place where the criticism
might be seen.

By the way, Dr. Biel, Mushnick's e-mail is pmushnick@[removed].  You might
want to send him your credentials.

Sean Dougherty
Kubelski@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:02:16 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Barry Took Dies

Berry Took comedian and scriptwriter died at the age of 73. According to the
BBC Took will be most remembered for the radio programs Round the Horne and
Take It From Here. Took's fellow comedian and scriptwriter Barry Cryer said of
Round the Horne, "it  was one of the few dated radio shows that didn't date.
It still makes people laugh."

Took started his career as a stand-up comedian. but soon formed a writing
partnership with Marty Feldman. The pair were the main writers of Round the
Horne, the 1960s radio show that continued the comedy tradition started by
The Goons.

He died at 0550 BST on Easter Sunday. He is survived by his three children.

Ron Sayles

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:02:45 -0500
From: Carolie Minuscule <daggerofthemind2000@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Same Script, Different Actors

I, too, have enjoyed hearing more than one program
with essentially the same script.

It's also fun to listen to different actors doing the
same script.  For example Escape and Suspense did
Three Skeleton Key several times.  Mostly with Vincent
Price in the role of Jean, but a couple of actors also
took it on.  It's fun to compare their performances,
as well as those of the supporting cast of Augustethe
hunchbacked lighthouse keeper who goes mad and, and
Louis the stolid keeper who is actually a coward.

I've got two versions of Rave Notice, one starring
Milton Berle who originated the role, the other with
Vincent Price.  They're both good in their own way.

Price also reprised his role in Present Tense [removed]

=====
Caroline Miniscule
THE FRIENDS OF MR. CAIRO
[removed]

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:12:04 -0500
From: "Nemesis@[removed]" <nemesis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Sheet music

Talk about handy coincidences!  My mom just dug out some really old sheet
music and asked me if I could learn anything about it.  Thanks to Mr.
Widner.
Linda T.

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:12:14 -0500
From: "Nemesis@[removed]" <nemesis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Suspense cast question

I've e-mailed them directly with questions about KNX's OTR shows and Fred
Bergendorff has answered.  Perhaps you can try that?  flbergendorff@[removed]
Linda T.

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:08:18 -0500
From: Jer51473@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: a great Archie site

 go to [removed]

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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:48:16 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: New Archie Andrews found?

From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
I found 10 more Archie programs that are out there.

Because both sets of these titles seem to be the type made up by
collectors rather than official titles by the scriptwriters, it looks to
me that some or all of the second "new" group probably duplicates the
original list.  For example:

Christmas Shopping/Christmas shoplifting
Dad's Bath/Saturday Night Bath
Fixing Flat Tire/BORROWING A TIRE JACK
The New TV Set/New TV
Halloween Party/Archie's party

Those encoded "dates" also seem suspect.  But maybe someone who has
gotten the second set can report on whether the programs are different
or perhaps better quality copies.

But one title in the second list (Free Movie Ticket) makes me wonder if
at long last it is the program I have been looking for, the one and only
one which has a plotline that I remember from hearing the original live
broadcast as a kid.  While the series was one of my favorites, I never
remembered any of the PLOTS--only Jughead's Reeeeeeeelaaaaxxxxxxxx, and
Archiekin's giggling whenever Betty phoned.  But thru the mist of time,
I remember a program where the family and gang go to a drive-in movie.
Naturally, EVERYTHING goes wrong, and finally Mr. Andrews gathers
everyone back into the car and LEAVES.  "I'm glad to get out of there--I
will NEVER go back there."  "But Dad, you will HAVE to go back there.
The speaker is still in the car window!"  As a city boy I knew nothing
about drive-in movies at that time, but years later, the first time we
went to one and my father put the speaker in the window, I remembered
that program's tag line!

Two questions--is this the show, and Hal, by some miracle is this a
program that you yourself remember?

(By the way, all thru that movie I was afraid that MY father would
forget to take the speaker out of the window when we would leave!!!)

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:28:37 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Milton Berle

Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 23:07:43 -0500
From: leemunsick@[removed]

I hope Charlie runs this in time for Tuesday night!  You know who owns
that.

A few years ago, the A&E network program "Biography" did Milton Berle.  I thought it 
appropriate that, whether by accident or design, they ran it on Tuesday night at 8:00.

-- A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed] 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@[removed] Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:21:00 -0500 From: HERITAGE4@[removed] To: [removed]@[removed] Subject: FRED ALLEN With re: to Eliz. McLeod's recent posting about FRED ALLEN tapes at the Boston Public Library, I can tell you that along with Boston Globe feature writer, Robert Taylor (who wrote the best book on Fred) I have been trying to crack the "shell" at the BPL for years, with no luck. Fred's collection of personal papers is probably the most valuable part of the ALLEN collection. The radio shows were actually copies made for Portland Hoffa by the NBC Los Angeles people from 2nd generation tapes that were none too good to start with. Portland also supplied the BPL with the sum of $10,000. with which to make copies on cassettes of the program collection. The BPL had a small number of shows professionally copied to cassettes from the NBC reels, the, in all their wisdom, decided to try hooking up an old reel-to-reel machine to a home consumer-type cassette recorder and save on costs by doing it themselves. The result was only marginally successful, and they never completed the job. I have talked with the Rare Book Department Heads (3 by count now) and have never been given a successful explanation as to why the ALLEN holdings were not transferred in toto and made available for borrowing, as was intended by Portland. On one occasion I was told that the library was considering making up a set of master tapes and selling them at the gift shop, but this never happened either. Quite obviously, they have had no intention of making the materials of Fred available on other than a limited "reference" basis. I have never heard of any of his written material being placed on display to be looked at. It's a good thing the National Archives didn't take the same approach with the country's written and printed treasures. I wouldn't hold my breath awaiting a change in policy from the BPL. If Fred (or Portland, for that matter) knew that his treasures had been locked away, I can only imagine the level of satiric blasting they would have receieved from Fred. Maybe it would take someone of Fred's ilk to make a successful charge on the bureaucracy of the City of Boston, that he loved so well. Luckily, a few of us have obtained ALLEN material from other sources over the years, so the legacy of this great man goes on, despite the petty policies of an aged and (? maybe out-of-touch) insitution who really couldn not care less. Tom Heathwood - Heritage Radio Classics/Heritage Radio Theatre - Boston -------------------------------- End of [removed] Digest V2002 Issue #126 ********************************************* Copyright [removed] Communications, York, PA; All Rights Reserved, including republication in any form. If you enjoy this list, please consider financially supporting it: [removed] For Help: [removed]@[removed] To Unsubscribe: [removed]@[removed] To Subscribe: [removed]@[removed] or see [removed] For Help with the Archive Server, send the command ARCHIVE HELP in the SUBJECT of a message to [removed]@[removed] To contact the listmaster, mail to listmaster@[removed] To Send Mail to the list, simply send to [removed]@[removed]