Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #240
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2004 : Issue 240
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  A Question                            [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
  Funny men, but very little info on t  [ Al Girard <24agirard24@[removed] ]
  Groucho and Bob Hope                  [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  7-23 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Ray Stanich and radio logs            [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  beefsteak for a black eye             [ Osborneam@[removed] ]
  George Putnam [removed]            [ seandd@[removed] ]
  OTR Russ Hudson + Eddie Carroll       [ "Barnett, Tom L" <[removed]@acs ]
  The Pages                             [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
  Re: Gang Busters Book                 [ Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed]; ]
  Sherlock Holmes & Big Bands           [ "George Keilback" <boxingfan7@hotma ]
  Newspaper radio pages                 [ "Bob Watson" <crw934@[removed]; ]
  newspaper radio pages                 [ "Frank Phillips" <frankphi@hotmail. ]
  Newspaper listings                    [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  Teller of Hawaiian Tales?             [ Don Strong <donsplace@[removed] ]
  Correcting a goof and a query         [ "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@comc ]
  GANGBUSTERS book                      [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:45:48 -0400
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  A Question

The discussion of page-dropping, particularly Hal Stone's illuminating
response, pulled up a memory that I can't sufficiently detail in my mind.
Perhaps you can help.

I recall reading about an actor who was used to memorizing lines because he
was in the theater.  But in a radio play (or another venue),   he was asked
to read a script, and because the words were on the printed page, he
fumbled and fumbled and lost his place.  The script pages "threw" him.

What am I remembering?

Dennis Crow

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:46:04 -0400
From: Al Girard <24agirard24@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Funny men, but very little info on them

I've been listening to some Jimmie Durante shows
lately.  He often hosted Victor Moore as his
guest,
and I really enjoy this guy's humor, but in my
searches on the web I've found next to nothing
about him.
Can anyone tell me anything about this funny man
who sounded like a weekling?

That got me thinking about a couple of others who
seem to be on their way to oblivion, as I cannot
find anything on either one.  The first is John
Brown.  He played on so many series that I would
have
expected him to have his own fan site, but there's
nothing on the web about him. The second is
Jack Kirkwood.  He was a regular on the Edgar
Bergan and Charlie McCarthy program as well as
the Bob Hope Show, and for a short time he even
had his own program.

All three of these actors had unique voices which
they used to the fullest as they had the listeners

in stitches.  Even to this day, listening to some
of their antics makes one break out into laughter.

Perhaps Hal has met these actors in his career.
Can any of you contribute information about these
fine performers?  As Jack Kirkwood used to say,
"Put something in the pot, boy!"

-Al Girard

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:39:10 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Groucho and Bob Hope

I was just wondering if there is a recording out there anywhere of the
Walgreen radio special in which Groucho Marx and Bob Hope threw away the
script and ad libbed back and forth for awhile.  According to the story,
John Guidel was in the audience, and this led to the creation of "You Bet
Your Life."  I'd love to hear the program if it's out there anywhere.

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                   [removed]
15 Court Square, Suite 210          lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503         [removed]

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:32:53 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  7-23 births/deaths

July 23rd births

07-23-1894 - Arthur Treacher - Brighton, England - d. 12-14-1975
actor: "Philco Radio Playhouse"; "Philip Morris Playhouse on Broadway"
07-23-1908 - Karl Swenson - Brooklyn, NY - d. 10-8-1978
actor: Lorenzo Jones "Lorenzo Jones"; Lord Henry Brinthrope "Our Gal Sunday"
07-23-1910 - Gale Page - Spokane, WA - d. 1-8-1983
actress: Holly Sloan "Story of Holly Sloan"; Gertrude Lamont "Masquerade"
07-23-1912 - Jackson Beck - NYC
actor: Philo Vance "Philo Vance"; Gregory Hood "Casebook of Gregory Hood"
07-23-1916 - Sandra Gould - Brooklyn, NY - d. 7-20-1999
actress: Lucy Twitchell "Sad Sack"; Miss Duffy "Duffy's Tavern"
07-23-1925 - Gloria De Haven - Los Angeles, CA
actress: "NBC Radio Theatre"
07-23-1936 - Don Drysdale - Van Nuys, CA - d. 7-2-1993
baseball announcer: California Angels, Chicago White Sox, Los Angeles Dodgers

July 23rd deaths

01-22-1875 - [removed] Griffith - La Grange, KY - d. 7-23-1948
movie producer-director: "Brooklyn Mark Strand Stage and Studio Program"
01-23-1913 - Max Smith - Des Moines, IA - d. 7-23-1999
singer: (Member Sportsmen Quartet) "Jack Benny Program"
02-24-1876 - Victor Moore - Hammonton, NJ - d. 7-23-1962
comedian: (The Lothario of the Lumbago Set) "Jimmy Durante Show"
03-03-1906 - Donald Novis - Hastings, England - d. 7-23-1966
actor: Matt Mulligan "Jumbo Fire Chief Program"
03-16-1920 - Leo McKern - Sydney, Australia - d. 7-23-2002
actor: Horace Rumpole "Rumpole of the Bailey"
04-10-1906 - Lilie Darvas - Budapest, Hungary - d. 7-23-1974
actress: Madame Sophie: We Love and Learn/As the Twig is Bent"
06-18-1906 - Kay Kyser - Rocky Mt., NC - d. 7-23-1985
bandleader, emcee: (The Old Perfessor) "Kollege of Musical Knowledge"
09-13-1909 - Leith Stevens - Mount Moriah, MO - d. 7-23-1970
conductor: "Death Valley Days"; "Molle Merry Minstrels"
10-17-1920 - Montgomery Clift - Omaha, NE - d. 7-23-1966
actor: "Arthur Hopkins Presents"; "Ford Theatre"
11-23-1894 - Ken Christy - PA - d. 7-23-1962
actor: Police Chief Gates "Great Gildersleeve"; "Ed Kremer "Fibber McGee and
Molly"
12-13-1910 - Van Heflin - Walter, OK - d. 7-23-1971
actor: Bob Drake "Betty and Bob"; "Philip Marlowe "Advs. of Philip Marlowe"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:34:28 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Ray Stanich and radio logs

Barbara commented: I, too, would like to know about this. I'm particularly
interested in radio listings for the Detroit/Toledo/Chicago area in the late
1940s/early 1950s. Every radio magazine I have for those years are from the
Los Angeles area!

Trust me, you won't find much along the lines of resource help.  Just last
year I asked Dan Riedstra (I think he's on the digest but FOTR-goers know
Dan) to check the Chicago papers to see if LIGHTS OUT was listed and as
expected . . . no dice.  It was a long shot.  If newspapers were a wealth of
info to compile radio logs, there would have been more compiled over the
last few decades.

Giving credit where credit is due, the first person to use newspapers as a
source of info to compile logs was Ray Stanich.  Many of his logs are
available from Jay Hickerson at JayHick@[removed] but keep in mind that Ray's
logs were done in the 1970s and many are out-dated now.  New recordings have
surfaced since, adding more titles and airdates, script collections have
become available, but ironically I have noticed how many people over the
years have "ripped off" Stanich's logs by posting them on the internet
without mentioning the source - thus a casual web browser who doesn't
already have some Stanich's radio logs would falsely assume that the people
who own those sites compiled the log themselves.  Remember: if they don't
site a source (such as Thousand Oaks Library in CA, Billy Rose Theater in
NY), etc., there's a chance that they are posting on the web what someone
else compiled.  There is an award named after Ray (since he has passed on)
which is given to people who do good research and books, and awarded every
year at the FOTR.

A few months ago I gained the assistance of Derek Tague (also a frequent
poster on the Digest) to help go through Nila Mack's personal papers in New
York City.  We are both proud to say that Bear Manor Media will be
publishing Arthur Anderson's revised edition of LET'S PRETEND and included
in the book is the first ever broadcast log for LET'S PRETEND - direct from
Mack's personal papers (see? A great one-stop source that only took a few
hours (also researched at Emerson College) to do).  All 1,200+ broadcasts
with episode numbers, titles and airdates.  (If anyone needs plot
descriptions for Sleeping Beauty and King Midas I feel for [removed])

Anyway, back to Stanich in closing . . . half of Stanich's sources was
newspapers (other half was NBC Press release department that housed all the
material) so most of what could be gleamed from newspapers has already been
done (and having come from newspapers, is the cause of much wrong info over
the years which has, bit by bit, been cleaned up and cross-referenced).
Only good thing newspapers do is verify what the cause was for a program
being pre-empted (such as FDR speech, etc.).  Lou Genco has a wonderful site
for logs if anyone hasn't checked out his site.  Terry Salomonson also has a
nice source of logs on his site too.  Authorities in their fields worked on
those logs so for the most part, they are wonderful sources for titles and
airdates.

Martin Grams, Jr.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:47:07 -0400
From: Osborneam@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  beefsteak for a black eye

I'm listening to a Nero Wolfe show in which Archie
Goodwin gets socked in the eye.  Nero Wolfe tells him
that he'd best get Fritz to give him some beefsteak
for the shiner.

Can anyone tell me how this practice got started?  Was
it because the beef was cold or perhaps it was thought to
have some medicinal qualities?

Arlene Osborne

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:48:00 -0400
From: seandd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  George Putnam [removed]

West coast radio veteran George Putnam namedrops like he's trying to get a
table in heaven in the following article.

Almost everyone he mentions did some OTR, inlcuding Jack Benny.

[removed]

He's 90 and still working - sounds like a good FOTR guest for some year.

This profile of San Diego's black community mentions one of Eddie Anderson's
business ventures in passing.

BLACK history study tells downtown story
San Diego Union Tribune - San Diego,CA,USA
... The flamboyant Smith, who became famous as a sky diver in the Hollywood
Airshow, partnered with Eddie "Rochester" Anderson - Jack Benny's sidekick
- to ...
<[removed];

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:48:23 -0400
From: "Barnett, Tom L" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR Russ Hudson + Eddie Carroll

Russ, could you drop me a line? I misplaced your address.

On another subject, I was able to attend Eddie Carroll's Laughter In Bloom a
month ago or so. It was the most enjoyable time I have had a live
performance in a long, long time.

Well worth the trip for any Benny fans out there.

Tom Barnett, PMP

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:48:36 -0400
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Pages

 It is interesting to note that this subject of script
pages and what was done with them is getting so much
play on the digest. To me it points out just how
fascinated we all are with every aspect of of the OTR
medium. However it also causes me to wonder if such in
depth discussion of such minutia is healthy. Oh, well
I don't suppose it matters really as long as we keep
it among ourselves.
  As to the the afore mentioned subject of dropping or
not dropping, on an earlier post I said that the
actors we use on Imagination Theater are all
professionals, they make their respective livings as
actors or voice over talent, and members of AFTRA and
we have never had anyone who dropped their pages. That
is until last week.
   Now let me preface this by saying that the biggest
problem we have during recording sessions, outside of
the occasional line flub or SFX goof, is paper rattle.
Some of our people or just plain klutzy when it comes
to changing pages. We allow for the noise and are able
to remove it in post. However, last week one of our
folks decided he just couldn't lift the top page off
and place it underneath with out either making noise
or losing his place in the script. So his decision was
to place each page on the floor. This actor stands
6'8" and it was understandably something of a comical
sight to see him drop all the way down just to place
the page as quietly as possible on the deck and then
bounce back up to his full height to say his next
line.
   Now this doesn't provide any new insight into the
question of weather the OTR people did or did not drop
but it does point out how individual such an action
can be. Having said that I will also state that if the
actor had dropped his script pages I would have
stopped him from continuing to do so. Not only would
the sound have been picked up by the Mic but it's just
plain sloppy.
                 Larry Albert

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:48:56 -0400
From: Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Gang Busters Book

almost as think as Websters unabridged dictionary

I hope those of you who read my last posting realize that this line should
have read "It was almost as thick as Websters unabridged dictionary".

Then again the dictionary is a thinking person's book as is the Gang
Busters Book.

Fred
[removed]

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:53:41 -0400
From: "George Keilback" <boxingfan7@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Sherlock Holmes & Big Bands

My father-in-law has a set of cassette tapes that were put out by Simon &
Schuster Audioworks. The set has 26 tapes and is called The New Adventures
Of Sherlock Holmes and at a glance I am sure that each tape has 2 programs
on them. A number of the boxes have never been opened, I think I remember
counting 8. Anyways he is interested in selling the set. If anyone is
interested you can e-mail me at         boxingfan7@[removed]      and I
will put you in touch with him.

Some of these Old Time Radio Programs that Dad has are really very good, I
guess I missed a lot of fun listening to them being broadcast but thats the
downfall of being born in the 70's.
One thing that I noticed is the lack of sites to go to in regard to Big Band
Music. At least I have not come across them as yet. I may be younger but I
do appreciate Glenn Miller, Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw and bands like them.
The father-in-law has quite a few records, tapes and recently he has been
getting CD's as the music becomes available and of course I get to borrow
them.
Enough chatter, I thank you for the OTR Digest and all for those responsible
for keeping it running.
You are truly a great group.
George

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:03:56 -0400
From: "Bob Watson" <crw934@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Newspaper radio pages
X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain

Actually, since most of the internet services seem to be subscription, I would
just as soon have my favorite newspaper, Atlanta Journal, Atlanta
Constitution, and/or Macon Telegraph on CD-ROM, that would be accessable to me
anytime without having to log onto a pay service.  Wish the Microfilm
companies would do this and sell to the general public.

Bob

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:20:20 -0400
From: "Frank Phillips" <frankphi@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  newspaper radio pages

I used to go to the Indianapoolis public library and look up old copies of
the Star and the News in their archives. You can also photocopy those pages
for a small fee -- probably cheaper than any subscription service

Frank Phillips

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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 00:23:15 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Newspaper listings

Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 12:17:29 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];

Even the names of the radio programs is vague - example is
THE LUX RADIO THEATER.  The papers didn't list the name of the show
because doing so would have been considered advertising so on that Monday
evening time slot the radio listing would read "Drama" or "Play" instead. 

I remember this with newspaper listings in the early television days.  Something like the 
Kraft Television Theater would be listed in the newspaper as "Television Theater" without the 
product name.  The Colgate Comedy Hour would be listed as "Comedy Hour."

The same sort of thing sometimes applied to popular songs.  There was one with the words 
"Drinkin' rum and Coca Cola" which wasn't played on some stations because of the free 
product advertising involved.  Another song, "Rose and a Baby Ruth" supposedly had an 
alternate version that went "Rose and a candy bar," though I never heard that version.

-- A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed] 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@[removed] Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 01:01:11 -0400 From: Don Strong <donsplace@[removed]; To: [removed]@[removed] Subject: Teller of Hawaiian Tales? Greetings, All! I just came across a couple episodes of a show called "The Teller of Hawaiian Tales", and was pleasantly surprised. Once I got past the fact that the storyteller was obviously a mainland Haole, I noticed that in at least the two stories I heard, there was surprisingly little variation from the stories as told to me as a child. I'd guess that most listeners were Stateside, and wouldn't notice anything odd at all. I did a 'net search, and all I could find was a bunch of listings and reviews of a book that is based on the scripts of the series. Can anyone give me more info on the show, or tell me where I could find more episodes? -- [removed] The system requirements said "Windows 2000 or better", so I got a Mac! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:58:22 -0400 From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@[removed]; To: <[removed]@[removed]; Subject: Correcting a goof and a query I just noticed that in a post from OTR Digest #239 that I referred to the Arbitron ratings as "Auditron." Why did I do this, you may be asking? Simple. I'm an idiot. Humble apologies all around to the group. A friend of mine has asked me where she might find recordings of the infamous Father Coughlin. If anyone can point me in this direction, I would be most appreciative. You can contact me off digest at iscreve@[removed]. Thanks again! Ivan ---- Classic movies, television and OTR at Thrilling Days of Yesteryear: [removed] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 13:00:13 -0400 From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed]; To: [removed]@[removed] Subject: GANGBUSTERS book Fred Berney at [removed] mentioned:
This 690 page [GANG BUSTERS] book is just filled with everything you would
ever want to
know about Gang Busters. The radio show, the movie serial and the television
show. Then there are the logs, which Martin is so famous for. They take up
almost half of the book. And they are not just logs that give date and
episode number. These logs have good long descriptions of each episode.  You
will more than likely be able to see this book for yourself at the FOTR
convention in October, but for those that can't wait, I suggest that you
contact Martin via email mmargrajr@[removed]  and ask him about ordering a
copy.

Thank you Fred.  By now pre-orders should have arrived at people's door
steps.  For the record, the GANG BUSTERS book is the most expensive to
produce to date (I've just got to learn to write thinner books) so if anyone
questions the price, remember it's cheaper than McFarland (who sells 340
page books for $[removed]).  At the cost to get it printed (out of my own pocket
so imagine the bills mounting up) I won't be offering any other books for
the year.  At 690 pages thick you should pretty much get an idea of how
detailed I attemped to get.

Just an FYI, those who intend to pick up a copy at FOTR don't delay.  Last
year, surprisingly, my I LOVE A MYSTERY book sold out by the morning of the
third day and I had brought an unusually large amount of copies which I
would never have realistically sold but they did.  With GANG BUSTERS being a
thick book, I won't have room in my car for as many copies of the book and
as usual, to make it fair, they are sold on a first come, first serve basis.
  If anyone wants me to put one on reserve for them, let me know before the
convention.  For info about the book's contents, check out
[removed].

As pointed out on Walden's OTR radio show the other weekend, anyone who does
a search for GANG BUSTERS on [removed] will find that Dunning's book gives
more details about the program than web-sites.  This book does feature a
broadcast log/episode guide for all 1,008 radio episodes, the first time
such a log has ever been compiled and is not something that can be found on
the web.

Thank you Fred, for the feedback.  I hope the book fills a void in old time
radio that's been needed for some time.
Martin
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