Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #181
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 5/29/2004 2:52 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 181
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: Burnt Cork                        [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      ilam *temple of vampires*             [ "ME~!" <voxpop@[removed]; ]
      Ronald Reagan on OTR                  [ <sweetedit@[removed]; ]
      Complaints in a public forum          [ BryanH362@[removed] ]
      WWII Music                            [ <welsa@[removed]; ]
      Re:CD-MP3 Player                      [ Don Shenbarger <donslistmail@sbcglo ]
      5-29 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Free on Board                         [ William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed]; ]
      Red Lantern/Frank Nelson              [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
      girl in the photo/Audie Murphy        [ Osborneam@[removed] ]
      Joan Benny                            [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
      New cdr's and special pen             [ "Matthew Bullis" <matthewbullis@run ]
      BBC Radio Drama                       [ "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm ]
      [removed]                                [ "Nancy Hudson" <hudson@[removed]; ]
      Eddie Anderson and Race Horses        [ "Philip Railsback" <philiprailsback ]
      Gildersleeves cast                    [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      Walking Man                           [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      re: Rochester's Horse                 [ "tas richardson" <tasrichardson@spr ]
      Jack Benny book                       [ JayHick@[removed] ]

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:22:14 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Burnt Cork

    On 5/27/04 11:06 AM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>     Did the significance of the horses name escape attention. Corks, from wine
>     bottles, when burnt and charred on the end, were used as makeup to make
>     "Black-faces" for Minstrel shows.

    It's still used for drawing the beards on tramp clowns, who are the
    direct descendents of the original blackface minstrel characters.

    Professional burnt cork, as used by bigtime blackface performers around
    the turn of the last century, was usually a fine powder sold in jars by
    theatrical supply houses. Raw burnt cork applied directly to the face
    caused skin irritation for many performers, and was extremely difficult
    to remove, so it was commonly mixed with an emollient base -- usually
    cocoa butter -- and applied as sort of a paste. The cocoa butter
    protected the skin and made the makeup a bit easier to take off after the
    show.

    The use of genuine burnt cork fell out of favor by the 1920s, when
    "Minstrel Black" cream makeup became widely available. Like its
    counterpart "Clown White" this product was sold in aluminum tubes, and
    was much easier to remove with cold cream than any cork-based makeup
    product.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:27:52 -0400
    From: "ME~!" <voxpop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  ilam *temple of vampires*
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    tim hughes writes

>     I'm a big ILAM fan myself, but mainly because I don't care for the "Temple
>     of Vampires", I'm not too disappointed in the news.

    i find *taste* [removed] was one of my FAVORITES
    chet norris

    --
    The First Amendment is First for a reason.

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:28:08 -0400
    From: <sweetedit@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Ronald Reagan on OTR

    I was listening to an episode of Burns and Allen this morning on the way to
    work with Jane Wyman as a guest, and it made me wonder: Did Ronald Reagan
    ever do any OTR work? I'm assuming he must have made some appearances,
    considering his work on radio in the Midwest before he came to Hollywood, but
    I haven't heard any.

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:28:26 -0400
    From: BryanH362@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Complaints in a public forum
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    I think we should be careful when we make complaints about dealers in a
    public forum . Atleast,  first give the dealer an opportunity to remedy your
    problem . If the dealer has a way to be contacted by phone and you have not
    heard
    back regarding an e-mail you sent do pick up the phone and call him or her.
    You
    would be suprised to learn how many e-mails get lost out in cyberspace or
    deleted by spam blockers.

    For me atleast the public complaint about Radio Memories seemed a bit unfair.

    -Bryan

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:30:04 -0400
    From: <welsa@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  WWII Music

    Judging by the number of albums recently put out, and the radio and internet
    music shows, I'm beginning to think WWII was primarily a musical!

    (Just kidding.)

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:30:36 -0400
    From: Don Shenbarger <donslistmail@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:CD-MP3 Player

    At 09:21 AM 5/28/2004, Barry wrote:

>      I have a Rio Volt 100 that I've never had a
>     problem with.

    My Riovolt PSX100 has failed after about 10,000 hours of use. The disc
    motor has developed a dead spot resulting in a stall about once every five
    or six hours. Any movement of the player gets it going again, so it would
    still work in a car for a while. Last month I disassembled the unit and
    gave the motor a shot of non-solvent type contact cleaning solution. This
    restored normal operation for about three weeks.

    Temporarily I am using a "Durabrand" MP3-CD table radio I bought at Walmart
    on closeout for $19. I believe it plays all the formats but am having
    trouble with one disc and have not evaluated that. It does not have "resume
    memory" but seems to stay in pause mode indefinitely with the disc stopped.
    There is an AM/FM stereo radio, but no cassette recorder. It has a genuine
    wheel-type volume control (I forgot how nice those are), but no tone
    controls. It has a headphone jack on the side. The display LCD has no
    light. The power on LED is relatively dim and does not distract at night.
    Nothing plays when scanning forward or backward, so finding something in a
    program is tough and the scanning is slow. There is a skip 10 programs
    button to move quickly through a large number of programs. It sounds better
    overall than the Rio with small computer speakers. The Durabrand will run
    on batteries, but I don't know how long (it uses 6 D-cells and may last a
    long time). For traveling out of town, it has the advantage of a lot less
    clutter than the Rio. It has a real 110 V power cord that plugs in the back
    of the unit. With the Rio I have two wall wart power supplies, two speakers
    and a fleet of wires to pack. I don't know why this was on closeout. My
    unit came with no box or manual, but I did find a manual at the link below.

    There are four or five other "Durabrand" table radios at Walmart that do
    not play MP3 recordings. The one that does says MP3-CD on the disc door.

    Image and a manual for download available here -
    [removed]

    Don Shenbarger

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:30:43 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  5-29 births/deaths

    May 29th births

    05-29-1892 - Mario Chamlee - Los Angeles, CA - d. 11-13-1966
    singer: Tony "Tony and Gus"; "Arco Birthday Party"; "Swift Garden Party"
    05-29-1894 - Beatrice Lillie - Toronto, Canada - d. 1-20-1989
    commedienne: "Beatrice Lillie Show"
    05-29-1897 - Erich Wolfgang Korngold - Brno, Czechoslovakia - d. 11-29-1957
    "composer: "Contemporary Composers Concerts"; "Railroad Hour"
    05-29-1903 - Bob Hope - Eltham, England (Raised: Cleveland, OH) - d. 7-27-2003
    actor, comedian: Taxpayer "Quick and the Dead"; "Bob Hope Show"
    05-29-1909 - Dick Stabile - Newark, NJ - d. 9-25-1980
    bandleader: "Martin and Lewis Show"
    05-29-1909 - Mary Jane Higby - St. Louis, MO - d. 2-1-1986
    actress: Joan Davis "When a Girl Marries"; Nora Drake "This is Nora Drake"
    05-29-1911 - Vivi Janiss - NB - d. 9-7-1988
    actress: (Married to John Larch) Kit Calvert "Aunt Mary"
    05-29-1913 - Iris Adrian - Los Angeles, CA - d. 9-17-1994
    actress: Abbott and Costello Show"
    05-29-1914 - Stacy Keach, Sr. - Chicago, IL (Raised: Milwaukee, WI) - d.
    2-13-2003
    producer-director: "Tales of the Texas Rangers"
    05-29-1917 - John F. Kennedy - Brookline, MA - d. 11-22-1963
    [removed] president: "CBS Radio Workshop"; "Kennedy-Nixon Debates"; "American Forum
    of the Air"
    05-29-1918 - Herb Shriner - Toledo, OH - d. 2-24-1970
    comedian: "Camel Comedy Caravan"; "Herb Shriner Time"
    05-29-1924 - Bob Corley - Macon, GA - d. 11-18-1971
    actor: Beulah "Beulah"
    05-29-1936 - Arlene McQuade - NYC
    actress: Rosalie Goldberg "The Goldbergs"

    May 29th deaths

    02-15-1882 - John Barrymore - Philadelphia, PA - d. 5-29-1942
    actor: (The Great Profile) "Streamlined Shakespeare"; "Rudy Vallee Show"
    04-09-1894 - Mary Pickford - Toronto, Canada - d. 5-29-1979
    actress: "Mary Pickford Dramas"; "Parties at Pickfair"
    05-10-1911 - Lee Sullivan - NYC - d. 5-29-1981
    singer: "Vest Pocket Varieties"; "Serenade to America"
    06-19-1865 - Dame May Whitty - Liverpool, England - d. 5-29-1948
    actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    10-04-1897 - Frederick Chase Taylor - Buffalo, NY - d. 5-29-1950
    comedian: Lemuel Q. Stoopnagel "Duffy's Tavern, Quixie Doodles, Stoopnagel
    and Budd"
    10-29-1891 - Fanny Brice - NYC - d. 5-29-1951
    comedienne: Baby Snooks Higgins, "Baby Snooks"
    11-19-1919 - George Fenneman - Peking, China - d. 5-29-1997
    announcer, actor: "You Bet Your Life"; "Dragnet"; Buzz "I Fly Anything"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    For a complete list:
    [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:31:10 -0400
    From: William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Free on Board

    Having lived in that era as I recall FOB meant Free On Board. In other
    words when automobiles were advertised the price was always listed as FOB
    Detroit meaning that the shipping cost from Detroit was added onto the
    advertised selling price. Before there were car carriers they were driven
    from Detroit, or by rail in specialized freight cars. While I was at KNX
    from 1945 to 1951 one of my fellow engineers, who was a former school
    teacher, would take his vacation in the summer and drive a new school bus
    back to Los Angeles from Indiana where most school busses were made at
    that time regardless to where the chassis came from. Now auto
    manufacturers have plants in various citys besides Detroit. When I was in
    my teens in Northern Ohio the White Motor Company, maker of trucks was
    located in Cleveland. I recall seeing their test drivers on the road test
    driving their bare chassis sitting on the gas tank which would later be
    uder the driver's seat.

    Bill Murtough

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:32:02 -0400
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Red Lantern/Frank Nelson
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    Hi Gang:

    "LAND OF THE LOST"

           This children's adventure show actually spawned a cartoon spin-off as a
    handful of "Land of the Lost" cartoons (about 3 or 4) were produced by
    Famous/Paramount in the late 1940s. At the time, Paramount's biggest stars
    were Popeye, Casper the Ghost, and Herman & Katnip. many of this era's
    cartoons were repackaged for TV for the Harvey Comics Company & called
    "Harveytoons.' The only "Land of the Lost " cartoon I've ever seen had to do
    with lost watches and timepieces. Famous/Paramount contract players Jackson
    Beck and Mae Questal provided some of the voices, Mr. Beck taking on the role
    of Red Lantern, the magic fish, and Miss Questal as one (if not) both of the
    kids.

    OTR STARS/LATTER-DAY ADS:

             With all the talk of Hal "Gildersleeve" Peary doing TV ads in the
    1970s, I'd like to posit this query; does anybody else out there remember a
    series of McDonald's ads featuring Frank Nelson as a train conductor circa
    Fall 1981?  Pitchman Nelson dutifully did the ad trumpeting some sort of
    contest & when somebody asked him if  he ([removed], the customer) had a chance of
    winning, [removed] would deliver his familiar "Yes-s-s-s!"

              I also remember from the mid-1970s Dennis Day doing a Special K
    cereal ad  and Mel Blanc in an American Express/"Do You Know Me?" ad.
    Otherewise, I can't think of any other on-camera ads featuring cast members
    from "The Jack Benny Program." [I say "on-camera" because I'm sure there are
    hundreds of ads featuring Mel Blanc's cartoon characters like Bugs Bunny and
    Barney Rubble]. Can anybody else out theer in the eyjer add to this list.

    Wishing everybody a solemn Memorial Day amd a splendid week-end!

    Derek Tague

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 17:32:17 -0400
    From: Osborneam@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  girl in the photo/Audie Murphy

    The girl in the photograph with young Bob Hastings
    looks like a young Betsy Palmer to me!

    I have another question for the list.  I notice
    on Ron Sayles' birth/death list that today is
    the anniversary of Audie Murphy's untimely death.

>     06-20-1924 - Audie Murphy - Kingston, TX - d. 5-28-1971

    Does anyone know what caused this WWII hero's death?

    Arlene Osborne

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 20:06:18 -0400
    From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Joan Benny

    I was listening to a file of the Larry King radio show on Mutual from 1990
    when he had Jack Benny's daughter, Joan as a guest.   She was promoting the
    book she 'co-wrote' with her father ' Sunday Nights at Seven' having
    discovered an autobiographical manuscript after his death to which she
    added.

    One of the callers was immediately recognized by Joan; our own Laura Leff.
    Laura, if you don't have a copy of this program let me know and I'll send it
    to you.

    Back to the book.   I was occasionally surprised by some of Joan's answers.
    One caller asked her why Phil Harris left the show.   She answered that she
    thought it was because he got his own show, seemingly unaware that Phil
    continued on the show for a number of years after he started his own show.
    Another caller asked if her parents had been married in NJ, she said no, but
    wasn't sure where they did get married.   Someone asked if her mother had
    been born in Canada.   She said, no, Seattle, but failed to mention that her
    mother had lived in Canada, which seemed like a logical addition to the
    answer.  I think a lot of people are confused about that, assuming that
    since Mary first met Jack in Canada, that she was born there.  She couldn't
    remember the names of the singers other than Dennis Day.

    I guess I'm being picky, picky, picky but on the whole I enjoyed the
    interview which went on for an hour but a few memory lapses stood out.

    -Irene

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 20:06:37 -0400
    From: "Matthew Bullis" <matthewbullis@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  New cdr's and special pen

    Hello, with the recent discussion of archiving cd's of OTR and how to label
    them, you might be interested in the following products from Music Direct. I
    found them in their latest newsletter. They offer a special pen for writing
    on the cd's, and they offer recordable gold cd's.
    Their special writing pen just for cdr writing
     [removed]
    Also, type in ultradisc in the search box, and you'll get a listing of their
    different quantities of cd's. $3 a piece, five for $14, or a spinddle of 25
    for $50. Hope it helps you out.
    Thanks a lot.
    Matthew

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 21:55:49 -0400
    From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  BBC Radio Drama

    Hello All,

    You may know that the BBC still does radio drama and that plays are
    available for download on their website.  Today on Afternoon Play there was
    a recreation of a 1937 radio play by Patrick Hamilton called MONEY WITH
    MENACES  (Hamilton is probably best remembered today for writing the play
    ROPE on which Hitchcock's film of the same name is based).   MONEY WITH
    MENACES is reminiscent of a superior episode of SUSPENSE and is a rare
    recreation of a BBC OTR era drama.  To listen go to the URL below before
    next Friday:

    [removed]

    George

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    Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 21:57:09 -0400
    From: "Nancy Hudson" <hudson@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  [removed]

    In Issue #179, Elizabeth (Froggievilleus) asks "What is [removed]"

    Technically, it is an ocean shipping term meaning "Free On Board."
    It means the shipper or manufacturer's price for an article does not
    include transport freight costs beyond the named city point, but that he
    will pay all costs to put it on your vessel/vehicle there. It is one of
    many terms describing how far the shipper will pay to get something to
    you.  Another term used is "FAS" which means "Free Along Side," where
    the shipper will pay to get it NEXT to the vessel (alongside), but the
    buyer pays to lift it and put it on the ship. In FOB, the shipper pays
    to put it on the boat--in FAS, the buyer pays to put it on the boat.

    FOB is not exclusive to ocean shipping, and is used for all transport
    modes as the statement of just how far the manufacturer will pay to get
    it there.  Your recollection of "FOB" with respect to autos means Ford
    (as an example) may have stated "FOB Detroit" which means for whatever
    price quoted, it does not include transport to you or to your nearby
    Ford dealer.  YOU pay the freight from the FOB point to where you are
    taking possession. This cost is included on your sticker price and is
    added to the vehicle's price plus options. It's one charge, which may
    include two truck moves plus a rail move, expressed as a "lumpsum," to
    get the Ford to the dealership.

    While FOB sounds like a rather specific shipping term that both the
    buyer and seller understand, this is no longer so in today's world of
    transport, where today there are so many different kinds of costs
    involved. In ocean transport, if the terms of sale state "[removed]
    Wherever," it is usually clarified with specifics as to who is paying
    for what. For example, did FOB Detroit mean there is no transport cost
    if you buy a Ford at a Detroit dealership?  Not likely, since the car
    may not have actually been purchased from a dealer located directly at
    the end of the assembly line, and there would be SOME transport cost
    involved. (Further, for Ford, the factory could have actually been in
    [removed])

    Trust this way-off-topic explanation helps.

    Russ Hudson (35 years in shipping and still counting.)

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    Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 11:57:05 -0400
    From: "Philip Railsback" <philiprailsback@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Eddie Anderson and Race Horses

    After the post about Rochester's horse, Burnt Cork, running the derby,
    someone asked if Eddie Anderson owned any other horses.  By coincidence
    I happen to be glancing through a paperback collection of old magazine
    pieces by Irving Wallace ( pieces written before he became famous,
    evidently).  In the intro to his brief story on Eddie Anderson (probably
    from Liberty magazine, though I'm not sure), it mentions that Anderson
    pretty much retired after the end of the Jack Benny show and devoted his
    time to his "stable of race horses".

      - Philip

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    Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 11:57:32 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Gildersleeves cast

    Hi Everybody,

    on Thursday there was a post asking who really did the singing for the Jolly
    Boy club from the Great Gildersleeve show.  When I interview Charles Stumpf
    about the book on the Great Gildersleeves.  He told me that many of the cast
    members had a musical background.  I would suggest getting the book from Ben
    at [removed] to read the bios of these talented folks.  To
    answer another question.  Singers are members of AFTRA.  The Musician union
    did not take them in to the union years ago.  Many singers fill in to bad
    financial shape later in life.  Many felt it was do to music business cut up
    the money.  Two of the most famous male band singers die broke, and A, and
    Artie Shaw was upset when he found out that one of the biggest girl singers
    of the 1940s no longer had money to buy grocery in the 1980s.  Artie told
    Kitty Kallen, and Kitty got her friends like Connie Haines to form a group
    to take care of the singers.  That group is Society of singers.  Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 11:57:42 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Walking Man

    Hi Everybody,

    does any one have a copy of the Walking Man contest on True or conquences?
    I recall the Gassman playing it on there show years ago, but I did not
    record it.  Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 11:58:16 -0400
    From: "tas richardson" <tasrichardson@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  re: Rochester's Horse

    Ken Dahl's question of Eddie "Rochester" Anderson's involvement in horse
    racing brought back a memory of mine.  My parents were friends of a Mr. and
    Mrs. Harrison who owned a service station on Manchester Blvd in Los Angeles
    in the 1920's and 30's.  Harrison got the bright idea of building horse
    trailers and renting them out.  He said he was the first to do this and it
    became a very lucrative sideline.  I remember him saying that Eddie Anderson
    was a regular and good customer of his, and that he always paid cash from a
    big roll of bills he carried.  I don't know how many race horses he owned.
    Harrison was also a good friend to Leonard Slye who worked for him for a
    short time.  He of course later became Roy Rogers.

    Tas in sunny Alberta.

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    Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 13:30:20 -0400
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jack Benny book

    I just received the "39 forever" Vol 1 (Jack Benny from May 1932 - May 1942)
    from Laura Leff.  The cost is $40 (go to <[removed]>) for details.  It
    has 532 pages and has complete descriptions of every program during these 10
    years.  It has just about every index you can imagine including Cast; city;
    guest Star; Music - vocalist; skits; songs; notable happenings and firsts.  As
    one of the first to put out a Jack Benny log years ago, I heartily recommend
    this.  Laura has done a monumental job.  Jay Hickerson.

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