Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #22
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 1/17/2003 5:23 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 22
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: Slipping jokes past censors       [ "Danica L. Stein" <danicas@baymoon. ]
      Molly's Illness                       [ "michael Simon" <[removed]@wor ]
      Re: Motivation                        [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Reel-to-Reel and Reels FT/FS          [ "Shawn Wolowicz" <wolowicz@bellsout ]
      Sarnoff Music Box Memo                [ Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed]; ]
      Chester Riley's daughter              [ "adfull@[removed]" <adfull@eart ]
      Gildy's Laughing Coyote               [ "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@ho ]
      Wayne Raney & WCKY                    [ "rcg" <revrcg@[removed]; ]
      Re: Forbidden Words                   [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      Walden Hughes & OTR On-Line           [ Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed]; ]
      B. Rathbone "Christmas Carol"         [ Roo61@[removed] (Randy Watts) ]
      Marconi - 100th anniversary           [ Alan Chapman <[removed]@verizon. ]
      Lonesome Gal                          [ "Jim Widner" <widnerj@[removed]; ]
      MP3 Boomboxes                         [ "JLF" <infom@[removed]; ]
      KAY LINAKER                           [ james h arva <wilditralian@[removed] ]
      Re: Lonesome Gal                      [ "Robert M. Bratcher Jr." <bratcher@ ]

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:46:39 -0500
    From: "Danica L. Stein" <danicas@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Slipping jokes past censors

    Chris Holm mentioned the Fibber McGee and Molly show where the word "belly"
    seems verboten:

>     Anyway, it is winter and Fibber is
>     talking to Tinny (I'm working from memory, so forgive me If I screw up some
>     of the details), and they are discussing sledding.  He is about to ask if
>     they're doing belly whoppers, stops, and instead changing to the term "buckle
>     bruisers."

    There's another one where the Old-Timer invites Fibber and Molly to go
    "belly busting" (sledding). But the second time he says it, he clears his
    throat loudly and says "stomach-busting." I thought OT was cleaning it up
    for Molly's benefit; it sounds scripted to me. I also recall a show where
    Fibber says something about navel oranges and excuses himself for using such
    a term.

    Speaking of "racy" jokes, I was listening to a Fibber show yesterday (I
    can't remember which one it was, but it was from the 40's) and I nearly fell
    off my chair. One of the characters says something about hundreds (?) of
    children all over the [removed] (?)--I can't remember exactly what this was in
    reference to--and Molly says "don't look at McGee, he's been here all
    afternoon." !!!

    Danica L. Stein

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:46:50 -0500
    From: "michael Simon" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Molly's Illness

    I am doing some research on Fibber and Molly and would appreciate any help
    in finding material on Molly's illness in 1937 which resulted in her absence
    from the show. I have the usual books but the sources indicate she was off
    to "rest." Any help appreciated.

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:47:55 -0500
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Motivation

    The Awesome Aussie Ian Grieve recently responded to the question

> >     1 - Do people only produce and release things for a financial reason?

>     Not always David, but it does seem to be prevelent these days to try and
>     make money out of a relationship instead of celebrating that person's
>     achievements and "spreading the word".  One of the reasons I enjoyed Hal's
>     Book is that he resisted the temptation to just write about himself.  He
>     introduced people to us that may never have had a chance to be introduced to
>     us before.

    There Ian goes [removed] something nice about me.

>     (the comments about Hal's Book were entirely unsolicited and unpaid (the
>     cheapskate))

    Not only that, but I had to use "costly" stamps to send three books to him
    in Australia, and I asked if he could cut off the stamps I used, and return
    them to me, since I sometimes add to my stamp collection. It saved me from
    having to buy them from a stamp dealer. :) Now I ask you. If that's not
    being a cheapskate, I don't know what is. :)

    Now, if I may, let me brag on just how nice a guy Ian is. Not only did he
    send back those cancelled US stamps, but a whole bunch of others from new
    Zealand and Australia as well. And I also received an "Australian slang
    dictionary, so I can understand the Aussie Christmas song CD he also sent
    me. DO YOU REALIZE HOW ASHAMED THAT MAKES ME FOR BEING SUCH A CHEAPSKATE! :)

    Now, I have a confession to make. I wrote my book about my years in OTR for
    two reasons. The first, because I thoroughly enjoyed meeting all the nice
    people who are in the OTR hobby, either at Conventions, this Digest, and
    Lois's Chat room, and they seemed eager to learn all they could about those
    days from an insiders perspective. In a way, It was an attempt to "give
    back" to them, as a sort of appreciation, for the warmth they have
    demonstrated to me.

    But, if I was being totally altruistic, I would have been as generous as
    Harry Bartell and posted my recollections in the digest for free. But then I
    realized, I had been doing just that ever since I began subscribing and
    posting to the digest. Anytime anyone asked a question of me, or it was a
    topic that I could shed some light on due to first hand experience, I posted
    and shared what I knew.

    But then, having spent most of my post OTR life in a visually creative
    field, (TV Directing), I realized that pictures could help tell the story so
    much better. Put faces to names, and actually show the OTR work environment.

    But it soon became apparent to me that in the process of accomplishing the
    goal of writing a well illustrated book about those years, I would have to
    give up other income producing activities that I was currently engaged in.
    (Artwork, and the other book I started writing, about the idiots I
    encountered in the world of TV Commercials). Added to that, was the expense
    of hiring people part time to assist me (A computer dummy) to help with the
    rather complicated learning curve for Pagemaker (text) and Photoshop
    (graphics) software. Not to mention the actual printing costs.

    So, bottom line. Am I interested in making a buck from the sale of my book.

    You betcha. But at the expense of the neat people in the OTR Hobby. No way.

    That's why I priced it as low as I could, from a practical standpoint on my
    end, and to make it as affordable as possible to the OTR fans.

    I wasn't motivated to write the book just to hear myself talk. I wrote it to
    hopefully entertain an enlighten, and hopefully, not only recoup my costs,
    but maybe make a buck or two. See [removed] idol has feet of clay. :)

    I hate sounding self-serving by promoting the book, but I've been told that
    people who have yet to buy a copy continually need to be reminded as to how
    to order a copy. Geese, I wish I had a press agent to do this stuff. :)

    [removed]

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:50:00 -0500
    From: "Shawn Wolowicz" <wolowicz@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Reel-to-Reel and Reels FT/FS

    I am offering a reel-to-reel and the associated reels to anyone interested.
    The system is in great working order and the reels (20-30 of them) are
    assorted music/comedy reels from the 60's and 70's.  If anyone is
    interested, I'll part with the whole shebang for $100 plus (exact) shipping.
    Let me know if you're interested, otherwise I'm sending her off to the DAV.

    Pax,
    Shawn

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:50:24 -0500
    From: Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Sarnoff Music Box Memo

    Mike Biel writes about the Sarnoff Music Box memo.  There is some
    controversy about when he wrote it and what exactly it said (a later
    version of the memo is sometimes cited as the original).  Story here:

    [removed]~[removed]

    Also, Mike, you said, "The first radio receiving set in this country was
    made in [removed] brainchild of David [removed]"

    I was under the impression that although Sarnoff supposedly wrote his
    memo in 1916, it was buried in a file and promptly forgotten.  Are you
    saying that someone actually built a receiver based on that memo?  I
    haven't heard that before.

    ---Dan

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:50:55 -0500
    From: "adfull@[removed]" <adfull@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Chester Riley's daughter

    Hi Everyone:

    Although I'm an avid listener of THE LIFE OF RILEY, I only just yesterday
    realized that the writers abruptly changed the name of Riley's daughter.
    For the first few episodes, her name was "Eloise," but she suddenly became
    "Babs" in the next episode.  Anyone know why?

    Adam Fuller

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:53:53 -0500
    From: "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Gildy's Laughing Coyote

    Over at the Gildy Phorum we had a question pop up that has occurred before
    and has never satisfactorily been answered. The 3/18/45 episode, "Laughing
    Coyote Ranch," in the form I have heard, through Wayback, sounds like a
    composite show from much later on. Though it credits Peary, it is pretty
    clearly Waterman playing Gildy and it is not Lillian Randolph playing
    Birdie. The show has no continuity with the shows preceding or after it
    except Leilah is around. It stands out like a sore thumb if you are
    listening to the shows in sequence.
    The main reason I think the show is a composite is the editing. The
    beginning sounds tacked on and there are no real musical transitions to
    speak of. There are no ads and the show clocks in at around 20 minutes, so
    obviously the ads have been edited out.
    In my own opinion, it also sounds like there are fewer people responding to
    the jokes--almost like a rehearsal. It could just be the bad sound blotting
    out the rest.
    Anyway, does anybody know where this show came from? Could it be one of the
    later, missing shows done as a rewrite of the 1945 episode? If anyone knows
    where the show came from originally it would help. If not, listen to the
    show again and see what you think.
    Best,
    Nussbaum
    PS If anyone has any knowledge of the Neiman-Marcus/Nostalgia Lane records I
    unearthed, please post. Just curious.

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:54:04 -0500
    From: "rcg" <revrcg@[removed];
    To: "Otr Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Wayne Raney & WCKY

    I'll never forget these immortal words:

    "Send your' order to Asthma, WCKY Cincinnati Ohio".

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:54:54 -0500
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Forbidden Words

    "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed]; remarked:

>      Seems pretty silly to make words like 'belly' forbidden on [removed]

    I recall a movie in which [removed] Fields starts to say "my leg" but
    catches himself and says, "[removed] my limb."

    In olden days a glimpse of stocking was looked on as something
    shocking. But even today it's not true that "anything goes." I think
    there are just as many words today that are forbidden as there were
    in the days of OTR, they're just different words. Maybe we've
    forbidden the right words this time, but I'm not so sure things are
    really better now.

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:56:33 -0500
    From: Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Walden Hughes & OTR On-Line

    "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; wrote:

>     I would like to promote any OTR club, conventions, or newsletter on

    Yesterday USA.

    Just a quick note of thanks to Walden for allowing me to appear on his
    Saturday night program recently on behalf of the Archives. Walden is a very
    nice and knowledgeable fellow and I'd encourage anyone with an interest in
    OTR to "tune in" on his Saturday night program via the Internet. Just go to
    [removed] for quick and easy instructions.

    If you're associated with an OTR club, group, or related activity, take
    Walden up on his offer and schedule an appearance with him. Anyone who
    appears on his show will have a very nice, easy and relaxing time doing so.
    And he plays some great shows, too!

    On a related subject - tuning in OTR over the Internet - I'd also suggest
    three other shows you can hear on a weekly basis:

    * Joe Riddle hosts the "Community Cares Radio Theater" every Saturday
    evening from 8-10 PM over KRMG-AM in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Joe plays OTR shows
    in their entirety, commercials and all, over this popular AM talk station.
    Go to [removed] for details and to tune in.

    * Max Schmid has been hosting "The Golden Age of Radio" on Sunday nights
    over WBAI-FM in New York City for well over twenty years now. You can hear
    his show from 7-9 PM eastern time over the Internet by visiting his website
    at [removed]

    * Chicago radio legend Chuck Schaden hosts his long-running program "Those
    Were the Days" from Chicago's Museum of Broadcast Communications every
    Saturday afternoon from 1-5 PM over WDCB-FM. You can hear the show over
    your computer by visiting the WDCB website at [removed].

    For additional information, visit Lou Genco's "Original Old Time Radio
    (OTR) WWW Pages," where he has posted a list of stations currently
    broadcasting OTR via the web and/or standard and short-wave broadcast
    bands. This list is available at
    [removed] -- but be sure to browse Lou's
    site at [removed] no matter what. There's great stuff to be
    had there!

    Harlan

    Harlan Zinck
    First Generation Radio Archives
    [removed]

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: As a programming note, Yours Truly will be Walden's guest
    this Saturday night; we'll hopefully be talking about all the great people
    here on the Internet OTR Digest.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:56:50 -0500
    From: Roo61@[removed] (Randy Watts)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  B. Rathbone "Christmas Carol"

    Among some tapes I was going through recently there was a full-cast
    dramatization of Charles Dickens' "A Christmas Carol," starring Basil
    Rathbone as Scrooge and with narration by Harlow Wilcox.  Running time
    is approximately 23-24 minutes and there's no opening or closing.  The
    only notation attached to the tape is "source unknown; possibly
    syndicated or AFRS."

    However, a friend's father recalls his parents owning a 78 rpm album of
    "A Christmas Carol" that he thinks, but isn't certain, starred Rathbone.
    Can anyone confirm the origin of this recording?

    Randy

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:57:08 -0500
    From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed];
    To: Old-Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Marconi - 100th anniversary

    Tomorrow, Jan, 18th, is the 100th anniversary of Guglielmo Marconi's
    transmission of the first radio telegram.  A ceremony and celebration is
    planned at the site of his transmission station at Brant Rock in
    Wellfleet on Cape Cod.  The honored attendee is Marconi's daughter Mary
    Elettra (Princess Mary Elettra Elena Anna Marconi of Italy).

    This morning on NPR Morning Edition, Susan Stamberg talked with the
    Princess about the work of her father, inventor Guglielmo Marconi. You
    can hear the interview at:

    [removed]

    Alan Chapman

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:57:40 -0500
    From: "Jim Widner" <widnerj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Lonesome Gal

    Andrew Godfrey asked:

>     Was wondering how many remember a show called Lonesome Gal.

    About a year ago I was contacted by the son of the "Lonesome Gal" (I'm
    at work, so can't remember her name right now) and he told me he had
    lots of her shows on various media and wanted to share them with
    others.

    When I got back in touch with him on how he might do that, I never
    heard back, so not sure what happened.

    Lonesome Gal got its start here where I live in Dayton, Ohio.

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:58:19 -0500
    From: "JLF" <infom@[removed];
    To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  MP3 Boomboxes

    Does anybody out there have experience with any of the mp3 boomboxes
    discussed here as to their am radio capabilities. Problem is one can only
    buy these in metro areas and thus can't test the am radio portion in remote
    rural areas where you really need it. Thanks

    JLF

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:59:15 -0500
    From: james h arva <wilditralian@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  KAY LINAKER

    17 JAN 03

    	Janine Preston writes about Kay Linaker being a guest at the "39
    Forever" convention in LA.  Regretfully, I will not be there, as that's a
    fur piece from Harrisburg, PA, but I am well familiar with Kay's
    delightful charm, as I have attended a number of annual festivals in
    Rochester, New York held by the Buck Jones Rangers of America where she
    is a regular guest because she acted in one of Buck Jones' films.
    	Kate -- which is what she goes by now -- has quite an acting history.
    I
    first became familiar with her as a collector of Charlie Chan movies,
    since she was in a number of them.  Those eyes bewitched me.  She looks a
    lot different than she did in the late 30's and those Chan movies, but
    those captivating eyes are still the same.
    	She also had a role in "Drums Along the Mohawk," that John Ford
    masterpiece.  Ask her to tell you the story about the scene in that movie
    where she was to be running through the woods and be hit with an arrow
    ... and how they padded her to take the hit ... and how it knocked her
    flat on her back every time the arrow hit and she couldn't breathe for 30
    seconds ... and how, in the end, the Hayes commission made them strike
    the scene because of the stage blood gushing all over the place when the
    arrow hit.  Ask her about how John Ford controlled Claudette Colbert in
    that movie.
    	Ask her about doing her own stunts - like falling down the stairs -
    because she was new in Hollywood and no one told her that she could have
    a stunt woman do it for her.
    	Ask her about the studio coming to her to write "The Blob" - music and
    everything - and how it was presented to get ... and the compromises she
    had to make due to a miniscule budget.
    	Get Kate talking with you ... then sit at her feet and listen for
    hours.
     It just might be the most fascinating conversation of your life.  What a
    gal!  Oh, yes - and tell her the guy from the Buck Jones Convention who
    mailed her the Charlie Chan video tapes says, "Hello!"

    Jim Arva

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    Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 18:59:55 -0500
    From: "Robert M. Bratcher Jr." <bratcher@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Lonesome Gal

>       Was wondering how many remember a show called Lonesome Gal.

    I've got a 4 disc 78rpm album set of her singing somewhere in my massive
    record collection. Also there are several of her shows in MP3 format in the
    OTR collector world. I didn't keep any but perhaps someone on the list
    would give them to you if you asked.

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