Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #209
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Date: 6/29/2001 8:26 AM

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                          The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                             Volume 01 : Issue 209
                       A Part of the [removed]!
                               ISSN: 1533-9289

                               Today's Topics:

     Question                             [GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@]
     ABOUT HARRY BARTELL                  ["David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed]]
     HALLS OF IVY                         ["David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed]]
     Getting copies from public archives  [Jack A French <otrpiano@[removed]; ]
     Dwight Weist                         [William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];]
     Was Capt. Marvel ever on the radio?  [Jer51473@[removed]                   ]
     Milton Berle & Jolie                 [Udmacon@[removed]                    ]
     dwight                               ["Harold Zeigler" <hzeigler@charter-]
     re:  Get em up who?                  [Garry Lewis <glewis@[removed]]
     Greatest Story Ever Told             ["John Melson" <Jmelson1@[removed]]
     Re: Vallee Recordings & Annette      [Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];       ]
     Elvis Marvel Jr.                     [Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed]; ]
     Tonto's Horse                        [Tom van der Voort <evan@[removed];]
     Fred and Jack                        ["Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@worldnet.]

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    Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:08:35 -0400
    From: GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Question

          Let's pretend that our beloved radio is still in
    its Golden Age. A fourth or even a fifth actor now
    portrays Throckmorton Philharmonic Gildersleeve. Other
    comedians the calibre of Fred Allen, Jack Benny, Eddie
    Cantor, George Burns and Gracie Allen and Jim and
    Marian Jordan still entertain us every night.
    SUSPENSE, INNER SANCTUM, LIGHTS OUT, THE MYSTERIOUS
    TRAVELER, THE SHADOW and THE WHISTLER yet thrill and
    chill us with brand-new stories. JACK ARMSTRONG
    currently trails atomic bomb-smuggling terrorists
    through Afghanistan.
          If this were indeed the case, would the OTR
    avocation exist at all?
          I have some opinions of my own here, but let me
    throw this out for discussion first.

          George Wagner
          GWAGNEROLDTIMERADIO@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:10:36 -0400
    From: "David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  ABOUT HARRY BARTELL

    Harry, this one's for you.  I've been getting a chance finally to listen to
    all the OTR programs I bought at the Cincinnati Convention back in April.
    And for some reason, every time I listen to a show, the name "Harry Bartell"
    is mentioned in the credits it seems.

    WAS THERE ANY SHOW YOU DID NOT DO?   ;-)

    I must confess, my primary knowledge was of you as Dr. Watson's interviewer
    and announcer for Petri Wines.  Now I am continually amazed at the range of
    your involvement in OTR.

    Thanks for your contribution to OTR and to this Digest.

    Dave Phaneuf

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    Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:10:38 -0400
    From: "David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  HALLS OF IVY

    Thanks to the man with the beard at the Radio Memories booth at the
    Cincinnati Convention (I'm sorry, I can't remember your name), I have fallen
    in love with The Halls of Ivy.

    He simply said, "the Halls of Ivy is one of those shows you feel good about
    when its over."  Of course, I then followed, with "you feel good because its
    over!?!?!?" He then clarified that the show "leaves you with a good feeling
    about life."

    Anyway, the show truly is marvelous.  And it does leave you with a good
    feeling.  I had a chance to listen to the audition show starring Gale Gordon
    as Dr. Hall.  All I can say is, as much as I have enjoyed Gale Gordon's work
    in radio and TV, especially the Lucy Show on TV, I am so glad that "Mr. &
    Mrs. Ronald Colman" were given the leads for the regular show.  The Colmans
    add so much character and believability and downright charisma that I can't
    imagine the show being a success with Gale Gordon as the star.

    Dave Phaneuf

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    Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:10:40 -0400
    From: Jack A French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Getting copies from public archives

    Elizabeth's instructions about the complexities of obtaining audio copies
    from LOC, and the large expense involved, reminded me of my similar quest
    in 1999 to get copies of an uncirculated RCMP series, "The Quiet Force",
    from the National Archives of Canada.

>     >From the time of initial request to having them in hand took over 18

    months, mostly filled with satisfying the documentation necessary to
    proceed. It took them one week to respond to a phone call, one month to
    respond to e-mail, and about three months to answer a routine letter. And
    the [removed] yes, I finally received two 90 minutes cassettes for which
    I was charged $ [removed]!   That's right: Two hundred and ten bucks for
    two cassettes.

    As Elizabeth points out, getting copies from any government archives is
    extremely expensive so this method holds no hope for the average collector.
    In fact, in view of their prices, shouldn't this be tempting for a certain
    big dealer to secretly get the rights to every show held by LOC?

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    Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:10:43 -0400
    From: William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dwight Weist

    Howard Blue asked about Dwight Weist. Dwight and I were long time close
    friends. He did have a daughter who I knew but have no idea how to locate
    her. The last time I saw her was at Dwight's memorial service many years
    ago.

    Bill Murtough

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    Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:20:16 -0400
    From: Jer51473@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Was Capt. Marvel ever on the radio?

     I might have missed the amswer to this question if it was stated. Btw, Capt.
    Marvel Jr. became so when he, Freddie, said the words "Captain Marvel"! As a
    kid, I enjoyed Captain Marvel much more than Superman in the comic books. I
    liked Superman in cartoons, but for some reason never read many of his comics
    even though i "traded for them" whenever they were available. Remember
    trading comics with friends after finishing with them? Trading time was
    almost as exciting as Xmas. Kids today just dont understand or know what they
    missed out on.

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    Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:45:05 -0400
    From: Udmacon@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Milton Berle & Jolie

    I'm currently reading Milton Berle's 1974 autobiography (with Haskel
    Frankel). In it he reports his excruciatingly embarrassing encounter with Al
    Jolson while Joile was giving one of his famous Sunday night "concerts" in
    New York's Winter Garden.

    Berle's mother got backstage with her young Milton by knowing the doorman.
    She then "persuaded" her son to walk out onto the stage in the midst of
    Jolie's act, interrupt him, and offer to do an impersonation of him.

    This he did, observing the rage behind Jolson's stage smile.

    After Jolie got rid of him, the theatre officials tried to hold Milton and
    his Mother for the wrath of Al, but she threatened to scream, and also
    boasted of her badge as a department store detective.

    Mother and Son then exited rapidly.

    Oldtime Radio content: did Berle and Jolson ever appear on radio together, or
    at least on the same show?

    Bill Knowlton, "BLUEGRASS RAMBLE," WCNY-FM: Syracuse, Utica, Watertown NY
    (since Jan. 1973). Sundays, 9 pm est: [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:29:50 -0400
    From: "Harold Zeigler" <hzeigler@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  dwight

    	Hi Gang,
        The note on Dwight Weist  having a actress daugther  in a Woody Allen
    film about radio was partly right as he and a actress with the same last name
    both appeared in the film (was it "radio Days"?) I had the luck to do a video
    interview with him at Newark back in 1985 , I believe, and he made mention of
    her and saying that people asked if she was his daugther and he said she
    wasn't related and the name was spelled different .
          He was a wonderful person to talk with and he was very open on all
    subjects.
    				Till next time,Harold

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    Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:30:09 -0400
    From: Garry Lewis <glewis@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  re:  Get em up who?

>     It is known as Chief Thundercloud, The Four Day Ride and various other titles.

    Isn't Chief Thundercloud the name of the actor who played Tonto in the
    old Lone Ranger movie serials?

                    yours Chief inquirer,

                            Garry D. Lewis
     --
    Grain is a three dimensional problem.

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    Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:33:49 -0400
    From: "John Melson" <Jmelson1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Greatest Story Ever Told

    When I was growing up in the late 40's and early 50's, I looked forward to
    listening to a radio program entitled The Greatest Story Ever Told.  I have
    been able to locate 9 episodes of this radio program.  I am wondering if
    there is any place that I can obtain some more episodes of this program.

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    Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:33:51 -0400
    From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Vallee Recordings & Annette

    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];

>     there were a number of shows from 1933 recorded by the Scully
>     Recording Studio in Bridgeport, Connecticut . . .
>     Several of the programs were pressed in flexible red acetate
>     (true acetate, such as that used briefly by World in the
>     mid-thirties, as  distinguished from the nitrate coating often
>     called "acetate" by  collectors.) These had hand-trimmed edges,
>     and were often warped or dished.

    Just like you described uncoated aluminums yesterday on the 78-L, some
    World test pressings I have on this material have blank grooving on the
    reverse side to avoid dishing.  But this material is too flexible to
    retain a flat shape without pressure, and they dish anyway.

>     The remaining Scully recordings were among the oddest pressings
>     I've ever handled -- they were a thin layer of celluloid
>     pressed to a thick and rigid blue-green fibreboard substrate.

    I have a mid-30s record of bird recordings on material like this.  The
    information about the recordings is printed on the green paper under the
    clear celluloid.  We ought to compare markings or matrix numbering
    styles.  This is also similar to the Byers Recording Lab 17-inch discs
    of "The Witches Tale" and a 16-inch Gennett I have, except that the base
    of these is shellac, not fibreboard.

>     Several of these discs ran over into the opening moments of the
>     Maxwell House Show Boat, which immediately followed Vallee's show
>     on Thursday nights,

    Pant, Pant, Pant!  With Annette Hanshaw?????  Pant, Pant, Pant!  If
    there is ANYTHING of the Maxwell House Showboat with Annette Hanshaw's
    voice, there are hundreds of eagerly panting record collectors just
    dying to hear these.  (If you think there is a following for Annette
    Funicello, that is nothing compared to the following we record
    collectors have for Annette Hanshaw!  We are all in love with her voice,
    but I'll never forget the day 25 years ago when film collector Dave
    Chertok brought the only known copy of the one of the two Maxwell House
    Showboat film shorts to a Record Research Associates "Syndicate"
    meeting.  It was something to see 50 guys absolutely MELT when Annette
    Hanshaw came on the screen.  But she never wanted to go into the movies,
    and retired in 1934 to become a housewife.)

    Michael (pant, pant, pant) Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:33:52 -0400
    From: Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Elvis Marvel Jr.

    John Mayer wrote:

> >     Captain Marvel (drawn and maybe written by the great CC Beck [and the

    character from whom Elvis Presley derived his trademark ringlet of
    hair]).<<

    Some more Captain Marvel Jr. clarifications to add to Jim Amash’s
    corrections of John Mayer’s post:

    Elvis Presley’s ringlet derived not from Captain Marvel but from Captain
    Marvel Jr. -- a character drawn by Mac Raboy, Al Carreno and Bud
    Thompson in MASTER COMICS, CAPTAIN MARVEL JR. monthly and THE MARVEL
    FAMILY.

    There’s a much stronger link between Elvis Presley and Captain Marvel
    Jr. than the hairstyle. Presley was a huge fan of CAPTAIN MARVEL JR.
    comics during the 1940s and even kept his comic book collection
    carefully arranged in a newstand spinner rack. Take a look at a photo of
    Presley’s airplane, and you’ll see the comic book character’s lightning
    flash insignia painted on the tail assembly. Presley also gave friends
    and associates gold bracelets with this lightning flash. Some of the
    poses he used in his stage act were variations on poses from Mac Raboy
    panels, and his Vegas costumes incorporated white/gold and other design
    elements of costumes worn by the Marvel Family.

    I once mentioned all of this to one of DC Comics’ lawyers, and she came
    back with an amusing response: "So are you telling me DC Comics owns
    Elvis?"

    Bhob @ PRE-FUSE @ [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:33:54 -0400
    From: Tom van der Voort <evan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Tonto's Horse

          Al can find the episode detailing how Tonto got 'Scout' in the
    SPERDVAC archives library. It is titled "Four Day Ride".  As I recall,
    Tonto was given the horse by Gray Wolf when he helped to prevent tribal
    warfare.
    Tom van der Voort

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    Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:20:27 -0400
    From: "Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Fred and Jack

    One more nugget to chew on about the Allen show vs the Benny show - Jack's
    was definately more the situation comedy show than Fred's. The commercials
    and the musical numbers were more integrated into a story line. I don't
    think Dennis Day actually ever sang on the Benny show, but he sure rehearsed
    a lot in Jack's living room!

    Brj

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