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Date: 12/19/2003 5:09 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 450
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Bud Collyer/Orson Bean                [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Book suggestion--if not out there!    [ vigor16@[removed] ]
      Bud Collyer                           [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      Broadcasters wanted                   [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
      Re: Gildersleeve and sexual attitude  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Cynthia Collyer                       [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Big Jim McClain                       [ Jeff Weaver <jweaver@[removed]; ]
      Old Time Radio Premiums ...           [ Donaldeprice@[removed] ]
      Sapristi one definition               [ Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed]; ]
      Nothing Physical.                     [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      "Real" Radio                          [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Echoes of the Secret Squadron Chroni  [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Hi end CD-MP3 player                  [ Richard Fisher <w9fjl@[removed]; ]
      RE: Gildersleeve and sexual attitude  [ [removed]@[removed] ]
      language of the OTR era               [ Allen J Hubin <ajhubin@[removed]; ]
      Dr. Christian theme                   [ "Clifton Martin" <MARTBART@peoplepc ]
      Language of the OTR era               [ "Rick Botti" <rbotti@[removed]; ]
      12-20 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Les Tremayne [removed]                   [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      A Merry OTR Christmas from the Ether  [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:52:16 -0500
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bud Collyer/Orson Bean

    At 08:05 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote:
     >The recent thread on Bud Collier brought up a question I have wondered
     >about. Orson Bean (who has also had a lot of radio experience) was a
     >panelist on "To Tell the Truth" when Collier was host. Bean was
     >blacklisted in the 50s, while Collier had a history of being far to the
     >right politically. Has anyone heard about how these two got along?

    Well, first of all Orson Bean was hired by Mark Goodson, who was known to
    be anti-blacklist as opposed to Collyer's feeling that the blacklist was
    justified. But as has been mentioned before, Collyer was a gentleman and
    professional and while on the show, he afforded those involved respect.
    This despite his involvement in his union platform opposed to the hiring of
    people such as Bean who were blacklisted.  I doubt if they clashed off
    camera but most likely kept a respectful distance from each other. Their
    battles were fought away from the show's production.

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:52:39 -0500
    From: vigor16@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Book suggestion--if not out there!

    Hi all,

    I have, for a long time, been looking for a book that tells of some of
    the running gags and themes of certain programs.  I think it may help my
    understanding of the era and enjoy it more.  Some examples are:

    1. The origin and ongoing dialog of the Benny/Allen feud.
    2. The origin and nature of the McCarthy/W. C. Fields antaginism.
    3. (I assume Vaudville) the "red flannels" running gags that you hear in
    comedies. '
    4. Origins of character actors that became household names, even to this
    day.

    I'll throw this out for discussion:
    Are there any actor/actorists these days that match the entertainment
    quality of the OTR era?  Are there any Bennys, Hopes, Crosbys or Sinatras
    etc.  If so, Who are they?  How 'bout Snoop Doggiedog?

    Nice to hear from you!
    God and I care
    Deric J. McCoy  "
    314-352-0890

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:52:54 -0500
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Bud Collyer

    Hi Everybody,

    does any one know how I can get in touch with Bud Collyer daughter?  She was
    a guest on Bill Bragg show on YUSA years ago, and we would love to have her
    back.  I understand that she live in Milwaukee.  Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:53:00 -0500
    From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Broadcasters wanted

    Hello all.  I am considering providing a service similar to Yesterday USA,
    but with some philosophical differences.  If you are interested in putting
    together a show on a biweekly basis for Internet broadcasting, please
    contact me at otr@[removed].  Much of this is still at the very early
    planning stages, but I want to see if there is any interest in this type of
    thing.  You would be sending me your content either on audio CD, uploading
    files, or on cassette.  If you do not know how to encode shows for Internet
    broadcasting, don't worry about it as that would be handled here.  Here are
    some technical details if you are interested.

    I would be running a dedicated server with 50 gb of space and unlimited
    bandwidth.  I would be both streaming and providing mp3 on demand, so
    people with Internet radio devices could listen to the stream while others
    could download the mp3 files.  I would use a similar format to YUSA in that
    there would be "tapes" which would be time blocks ranging from 30 to 120
    minutes.  I have not decided which streaming server I would use but am
    looking at Darwin, Supercast and Icecast.  This would be running on Linux
    so it would have to be one of the above unless there are *nix streaming
    servers I don't know about.  I am working on setting up Mailman to start a
    broadcasters list.  I am looking for programmers who can do basic scripting
    and decent web page designers.

    I am looking for any and all ideas regarding this project, so please feel
    free to contact me.  I do not have an official launch date, but I would try
    for early 2004.  This is an entirely volunteer-based operation, but you
    would get free publicity.  I could also use people to read short spots and
    create jingles.  Basically I need volunteers for everything.  Again, the
    email address for this is otr@[removed].  When the mailing list is
    working, I will post subscribing instructions here.

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:51:27 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:  Gildersleeve and sexual attitudes

    Rich Weil asked --

>     at one point Gildy, who is protective of his sister-in-law, asks Judge
>     Hooker if they have made love.

    <snip>

>     Perhaps just smooching?

       Pretty much just smooching.
       Joe

    --
    Visit my homepage:  [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:51:42 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Cynthia Collyer

    Cynthia Collyer, Bud Collyer's daughter once worked on a local Milwaukee
    television station. She is now in the private sector. She was once a guest
    speaker at a meeting of the Milwaukee Area Radio Enthusiasts. She was a very
    gracious speaker knowing that she was there to talk about her father. She gave
    some very interesting insights as to what it was like to be the daughter of
    Superman.

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:51:51 -0500
    From: Jeff Weaver <jweaver@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Big Jim McClain

    I am looking for any info or episodes from the radio show, if it
    exists. I am doing some research on Commie era entertainment. Thanks.

    Jeffrey Weaver

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:05:27 -0500
    From: Donaldeprice@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Old Time Radio Premiums ...
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    I trust that this is not too far off the main focus of OTR.    As a "young"
    lad in New Jersey during the late 1940s - early 1950s, I well remember the
    excitement of listening to the wonderful radio shows of the era.    I really
    got
    excited when I had the opportunity to hear about the wonderful things I could
    send away for, at the time, worth for me a lot, but only usually only required
    that I include a  cereal boxtop and a stamp ( and perhaps a few pennies ).
    How anxiously I then waited for days and weeks (sometimes) for the box to
    arrive.   When it came in the mail ...I always yelled .... " Mom, it finally
    came."     What a wonderful experience ... I still have some of the boxes the
    items
    came in.    Perhaps some of the "expert persons" on this site can comment and
    point to other reference sources. Thank you very much .... GBA .... Don

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:42 -0500
    From: Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Sapristi   one definition
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    A French exclamation -   "Good Heavens!"

    [removed]

    Ed Kindred

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:08:08 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Nothing Physical.

    Rich Weil asks, anent an OTR reference about the term, "making love,"
    notes,

>     I take making love to mean sexual intercourse. In those relatively
>     prudish times it seems out of line that they would be so forward to
>     discuss intercourse so openly, so I was wondering if it meant something
>     different back then?

    It meant "wooing" back then.  Or "courting."  The language has evolved,
    not necessarily for the better.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:08:37 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Real" Radio

    Kathy [[removed]] speaking of a census including radio ownership in
    Arlington, Texas, notes,

>     their census records show no radio but my uncle says that they had
>     one.  he made a crystal set when he was ten years old in 1928.
>     apparently a crystal set didn't  count as a real radio.

    A crystal set is the "purest" radio receiver possible.  During the
    earlier days of audio high fidelity (as opposed to "HiFi"), one of the
    better AM tuners was a fancied-up crystal set.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:09:28 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Echoes of the Secret Squadron Chronicles

    Steve Lewis notes,

>     The reason the Midnight show has stayed in my head for so long is that
>     is was (I presume) a week-ending cliffhanger, with several of the gang
>     trapped in a tree surrounded by dinosaurs, and scary as all get out.
>     Possible, or just a false memory?

    No, it wasn't a false memory.  He recalled part of "The Return of Ivan
    Shark," where Shark, his daughter Fury, and Gardo were stranded on a
    dinosaur inhabited island (that also had ape-men).  This was in the early
    part of the 1949 season (the Fall of 1948) where Shark had managed to
    steal a 1948 Code-O-Graph and they were introducing the 1949 Key-O-Matic
    model.  A couple of those episodes survive.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:22:08 -0500
    From: Richard Fisher <w9fjl@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hi end CD-MP3 player

    I have a friend who is much interested in finding a high end CD player
    that will also play the bit rate used for the MP-3 OTR material in
    circulation.

    He is not interested in something such as the cheap Apex players that
    play everything as they are quite unreliable.

    Even a high end DVD player that will play the OTR MP3 discs might
    suffice.

    Please advise me off the digest if you know of such.

    Thank you.

    Dick

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:22:54 -0500
    From: [removed]@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RE: Gildersleeve and sexual attitudes
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    There's a scene in "Horsefeathers," (okay, okay, I know, it's a movie, not
    an OTR program, but it's the only example that comes to mind) where Zeppo
    Marx is sitting on a sofa with a sort of blond bimbo character, talking, and
    one asks the other, "Are you making love to me"? It seems that back in the
    thirties and forties, the term did indeed have a much more innocent meaning
    than it does today.

    [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:42:15 -0500
    From: Allen J Hubin <ajhubin@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  language of the OTR era

    One of the reasons I rarely go to movies (I think I've seen one or
    two in the past three years) is the foul language.  I don't use it, I'm
    not
    around people who do, and I'm repelled by hearing it.
    I rarely watch TV (when I do it's mostly public TV), and from
    what I hear I will soon have the same reason for not watching;
    now it's mostly because I prefer a good book.  And speaking of books,
    in my reviewing years I criticized some strongly for the language,
    and now it's one thing (among others) that will cause me to quit in the
    early
    going and toss the book.

    So I rejoice over the clean language in OTR--such as Dragnet, as
    I work my way through a few hundred episodes.  (And in most
    books if I go back a handful of [removed])

    Al Hubin

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:42:24 -0500
    From: "Clifton Martin" <MARTBART@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Dr. Christian theme

    "Rainbow on the River,"  appropriate for Doc Christian's town, River's End,
    is a great song, a hit for boy soprano Bobby Breen in the 1936 film of the
    same name.  I have his recording on the 3 album set, "Those Wonderful
    Thirties" and there's a nice theater organ version of it, too.

    Clif Martin

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:43:16 -0500
    From: "Rick Botti" <rbotti@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Language of the OTR era

    In regards to Mike Mackey's post entitled  "Language of the OTR era"
    I just gotta say Thank You, I Agree Completely! As a boomer who
    grew up in a Navy town, I learned what vulgar language and common
    swearing were all about at an early age. However, it was never acceptable
    to project it on to others, especially strangers.  After all, the world
    was already full of bad and ugly things, early TV and radio were places
    to escape the real world, not emulate it. Remember the Good Broadcasting
    code?

    That's my two cents worth,

    Rick Botti

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:43:24 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  12-20 births/deaths

    First Day of Hanukkah

    December 20th births

    12-20-1889 - Ernest La Prade - Memphis, TN - d. 4-20-1969
    conductor: "Collier"s Hour"; "Orchestra of the Nation"
    12-20-1900 - Ted Fio Rito - Newark, NJ - d. 7-22-1971
    bandleader: "Presenting Al Jolson"; "Wonder Show"; "Jack Haley Show"
    12-20-1901 - Irene Dunne - Louisville, KY - d. 9-4-1990
    actress: Susan Armstrong "Bright Star"; "Family Theatre"; "Hallmark Hall of
    Fame"
    12-20-1905 - Albert Dekker - Brooklyn, NY - d. 5-5-1968
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    12-20-1906 - Marion Talley - Nevada, MO - d. 1-3-1983
    singer: "Ry-Krisp Presents Marion Talley"
    12-20-1907 - Al Rinker - Tekoa, WA - d. 6-11-1982
    singer (member of The Rhythm Boys) "Paul Whiteman Presents"
    12-20-1923 - Charita Bauer - Newark, NJ - d. 2-28-1985
    actress: Mary Aldrich, "Aldrich Family"; Bert Bauer, "Guiding Light"
    12-20-1931 - Mala Powers - San Francisco, CA
    actress: "Stars Over Hollywood"

    December 20th deaths

    05-09-1914 - Hank Snow - Liverpool, Novia Scotia, Canada - d. 12-20-1999
    country singer: "Grand Ole Opry"
    06-12-1914 - William Lundigan - Syracuse, NY - d. 12-20-1975
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; announcer in early radio
    07-21-1863 - C. Aubrey Smith - London, England - d. 12-20-1948
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    09-09-1900 - James Hilton - Leigh, Lancashire, England - d. 12-20-1954
    host: "Hallmark Hall of Fame/Hallmark Playhouse"; "Ceiling Unlimited"
    10-24-1904 - Moss Hart - The Bronx, NY - d. 12-20-1961
    panelist: "Who Said That?"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:43:57 -0500
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Les Tremayne [removed]

    We've lost yet another golden voice. Les Tremayne passed away earlier today
    (Dec 19) at the age of 90.

    Barbara

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    Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:06:51 -0500
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  A Merry OTR Christmas from the Ether
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    For All Old Time Radio Digest Subscibers:

         Once again the Christmas season is upon us, and, once again, I would
    like to take this opportunity to thank every last subscriber---the active
    post-er and the reluctant lurker alike---for your friendship, lively
    discussions, insights, and your willingness to share your OTR-related
    knowledge throughout the entire year. Over the years, I have found the OTR
    community to be filled with the best people walking the planet. Therefore,
    I'd like to share with everybody the joy, the warmth, and the blessings the
    Christmas and Chanukah seasons engender.
         A lot of space here lately has been dedicated to both the merits and
    de-merits of "the good old days." As we continue to celebrate and encourage
    the days when the "Theatre of Imagination" ruled the air-waves, let's
    continue to work toward and pray for a return to the concomitant values of
    hard work, decency, gentility, and graciousness that held sway during the
    "Golden Age" while leaving all the  examples of intolerance buried in the
    past.
         My wishes for the New Year include:
         For you, the OTR/D subsciber, may you continue to find the joy and
    camaraderie I feel every time a new issue of the Digest appears in the
    in-box. Let's all send a collective "Bravo!" (and, perhaps, some nominal sum
    of financial support) to ListMaster Charlie Summers. Well done, Charlie, and
    likewise to all OTR-related web-site administrators!
        For the actual performers and behind-the-scenes folks who actually worked
    in OTR: on behalf of this readership, please permit me to extend a a
    deep-felt appreciation  for all your efforts  in the creation of all the
    programmes we  now appreciate and argue about; thanks for taking on a noble,
    yet precarious, profession that continues to delight us fans.
        For the avid OTR collector: may 2004 be the year you find that one
    elusive recording, book, script, transcription disc, or collectible
    you've long sought.
        For the OTR author, archivist, and researcher: speaking from first-hand
    experience, I'd like for you all to acquire the time, patience, financial
    resources, and travel arrangements to pursue your projects in the furtherance
    of this truly scholarly field.
        For the OTR convention organizer: continued success!; as the well of
    actual OTR performers dwindles, may you forever find inspiration in devising
    ways to attract the younger M-TV generation to the wonders of OTR.
        For the OTR convention-goer: more top-notch entertainment and
    re-creations in 2004; if you've never attended an OTR convention, you're in
    for a treat and lots of good times; if heretofore, your financial situation
    and/or family and employment obligations have prevented you  from
    participating in these  showcases, may you one day find the resources and
    logistics that will allow you to join in the fun!
        For the OTR re-creation clubs: easier access to old scripts and their
    performance rights and the drive to encourage  new scriptwriters whose
    stories are just waiting to be heard.
        For the OTR archivists and restorers:  a treasure trove of more "lost"
    shows for everybody's enjoyment!
        For the OTR dealers: a better year. I keep hearing about how, in this day
    and age of MP3s and easy down-loading, the cassette trade is truly hurting.
    May you all find new inspiration to re-invent and re-invigorate the hobby of
    OTR collecting, the hope that new technologies slow down a trifle, and that
    we, the purchasers of cassette tapes and CDs, re-discover the terrific sound
    quality of the wares you gallantly purvey.
         In closing, I wish the spirit of the Christmas season moves you  all to
    do something extraordinary for someone special in your life like what Andy
    Brown did for his goddaughter Arbadella Jones. May you always hold on to some
    sort of childlike belief as Santa Claus just like Clifton Finnegan down at
    Duffy's.  If you know someone spending Christmas alone, try to bring
    Christmas cheer to him or her as Fibber, Molly, and the gang once did for ol'
    Doc Gamble. If you find yourself bringing Christmas to the less fortunate as
    once Brit Ponset, the Six-Shooter, did for a poor family, may your blessings
    in the New Year 2004 be tenfold. And finally, if the misfortunes in your life
    have soured you on the true meaning of Christmas as once happened  to Archie,
    the Bartender, before he found his "Miracle in Manhattan," just remember that
    Sergeant Joe Friday is on the case.
         I have to admit that the spoken-word recording "May You Always,"
    recorded by the late Dave Garroway in the 1960s  and made famous in the New
    York City area by Top-40 disc jockey Harry Harrison, was incredibly
    inspirational in my composition of this essay. Therefore, I feel the most
    appropriate way to sign off  is Mr. Garroway's way:
         "Peace."

    Derek Tague

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