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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 165


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Here's Morgan
	 multiple voices
	 Re: technical question in V96 #162
	 Re: independent stations surviving
	 Re: John Barrymore Recordings
	 Re: Multiple Voices - Bergen/McCarthy
	 AM transmitter
	 Mortimer, how did you get to be so stupid?
	 AM transmitter
	 Re: Multipl,e Voices in Same Scene
	 one actor--all the voices
	 Streamlined Shakespeare
	 Tapes
	 The Good Old Days, and Spike
	 The Eternal Light A. Joseph Ross
	 Don McNeill
	 first posting here

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 06:53:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: airwavesOTR <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Here's Morgan
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

	I forgot to mention the date of the Morgan show with The Johnson 
Family parody.  It was August 13, 1941.   -Max

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Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 07:28:01 -0700
From: PETER GRECO <pgreco@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
CC: pgreco@[removed]
Subject: multiple voices
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi,
 In answer to Alan's question about shows that had actors doing multiple
voices in the same [removed]'s a few Big Jon and [removed]' Ed 
and [removed] Blanc on his show,Bob Smith and [removed] also tend to 
forget Edgar Bergen and Charlie on this [removed] best of all I think was
Tommy Riggs and Betty Lou,Tommy was on the air in [removed] was quite a
character,he had a condition that the doctors at Cornell described as
bi-vocalism,he was able to go from his normal voice to the voice of 
Betty Lou at will.
    One last note I met Bill Conrad while he was doing his Cannon series
I got to talk with him for about a half [removed] story he told me about
his radio days relates to Alan's [removed] said there was a big snow
storm in New York and he was doing a show,I don't recall which one,but
the other members of the cast couldn't make it because of snow,Bill did
the entire show himself,it was only three characters one of which was a
woman,the writer changed it to a man's part and he was off and running.
[removed] anyone know where I can get some QUICK AS FLASH shows?...Pete

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Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 20:04:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Gingell <gingell@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: technical question in V96 #162
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

MORTN2HHC@[removed] asks

> Now, here is the problem.  I want to be able to record from any
> of the three machines to any of the other machines.  Many years
> ago I had a passive box that would allow me to do this in any and
> all combinations. 
> 
> Does anyone know of a place where I could order such an animal? 
> I live in New York and am amazed how many electronic outlets have
> closed down.

Yes, Radio Shack sells one: catalog number 42-2115 it has 3 sets of
inputs and 4 outputs each controlled by a selector switch.  Stereo
passive.  I use mine for exactly the purpose you want.

Mike Gingell, gingell@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 11:37:03 -0400
From: FabFicBks@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: independent stations surviving
Message-ID: <960507113702_530010583@[removed]>

Hi Everybody,
     In response to "D"'s question about independent stations surviving in
the old days, it was tough, but not as tough as you might assume.  Stations
without network affiliations could often pick up selected shows from some
networks (particularly Mutual) on a slightly higher feed price, plus there
was numerous small regional networks, such as the Keystone Network, Yankee
Network, CT. Valley Collective etc etc which could provide shows for use as
well.
     In addition, the ever popular Syndicated Series was a staple of
independent stations looking for quality drama, mystery or comedy at an
affordable price.  Plus, independent stations were often very big on local
sports, home improvement shows, dj programs, and at night, they did what most
network stations did, run a remote wire out to the local road houses/saloons
 and broadcast live jazz and dance music.
     In New England playing the horses and the greyhounds was apparently such
a big part of life for everyone in the thirties and forties that independent
stations in this region broadcast several race results shows daily, and often
plugged in to give horse and dog racing live from the tracks.  Local sports
teams, such as the Red Sox and the Braves in New England could make easy
matches to local indepndent stations establishing a regional sports network
circle as well.
     It cost a bundle of money to hook up with a network, even if some money
did come back for shared advertising fees from network wide programs.  For
many stations it was more profitable to produce local interest programs and
selectively pick from syndicated shows, and independent network programs
which allowed the station to sell much more local ad time, and tailor the
programing to local advertising demands.
     I don't think running an independent station was any great bed of roses,
but it was probably no worse than being an independent TV station today.  The
profit potential for radio and TV depends on the size of the market you are
serving and the availability of local advertising to support your operation.

---Bob Jennings

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:11:56 -0400
From: GOpp@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: John Barrymore Recordings
Message-ID: <960507121155_486035992@[removed]>

>
>On a totally different subject - I came across two old 33 1/3 recordings of 
>John Barrymore playing excerpts from Shakespeare. They are clearly recorded 
>from old radio transcriptions. Does anyone know what radio show(s) these 
>excerpts may have been lifted from? The recordings were put out by RCA - I 
>would guess in the 1960s. They are in excellent condition. Amazingly, they 
>were for sale for 75 cents at a used book shop. Thanks - Alan Litsey

I'm sure there are dozens of other examples, but I do know that Barrymore 
was a guest on the January 18 and May 10, 1938 editions of the Lifebuoy 
Program, starring Al Jolson, and on one of those shows he did a reading 
of Polonius's speech from Hamlet.  According to The Jolson Society, no 
recordings of those shows are known to exist today.

- Gregg Oppenheimer

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 12:12:00 -0400
From: GOpp@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Multiple Voices - Bergen/McCarthy
Message-ID: <960507121159_486036012@[removed]>

Regarding Bergen's roles being printed in different colored inks: I have 
a lot of original Chase and Sanborn Hour scripts (my father was one of 
Bergen's writers), and all of the roles are printed in the same black 
ink.  

Dad told me that they once wrote a sketch that ended with Bergen, Charlie 
McCarthy, and Mortimer Snerd joining together in three-part harmony!  The 
writers were so used to writing for the three of them as distinct 
characters that the impossibility of this feat simply didn't occur to 
them.  Nor did it occur to anyone else who read the first two revisions 
of the script, including Bergen!  It wasn't until rehearsal, when Bergen, 
with Charlie on one knee and Mortimer on the other, opened his mouth (and 
their mouths) to sing, that it suddenly dawned on everyone that even 
Bergen wasn't THAT talented.

The Chase and Sanborn Hour script I just happened to pull out is 
interesting because of when it was performed -- on Sunday, October 30, 
1938:

CHARLIE:  (SINGS)  A haunting we will go, A haunting we will go, 
ta-ra-ra, ta-ra-ra, tar-ra-ra, A haunting we will go.

AMECHE:  Charlie, the word is hunting.

CHARLIE:  Not on Hallowe'en, it ain't.  (SINGS)  A haunting we will go . 
. .

AMECHE:  Oh, so you're rehearsing for tomorrow night, eh?

CHARLIE:  Yeah.  See that bump on my head?

AMECHE:  Is that a Hallowe'en bump?  Did a ghost hit you on the head with 
a flour sack?

CHARLIE:  No.  Me and Skinny were practising ducking for apples last 
night and we both got there first.

AMECHE:  Well, ducking for apples is lots of fun, isn't it?

CHARLIE:  [removed] have to be satisfied with those inexpensive 
pleasures on seventy-five cents a week.

BERGEN:  Never mind that, Charlie.

CHARLIE:  If that's all a fellow gets, why that's all a fellow gets.

BERGEN:  Charlie, please.  That's enough of that.

CHARLIE: Have to make the best of it, that's all.

BERGEN:  Charlie, I wish you woulnd't take advantage of every opportunity 
to mention the allowance I give youy.  It's embarrassing.

CHARLIE:  I'm ashamed of it too, Bergen.

BERGEN:  There are many things in life, aside from money, from which you 
can get pleasure.

CHARLIE:  Name four.

BERGEN:  Well,ducking for apples, for instance.

CHARLIE:  Well, I don't mind ducking for them, but you got me working for 
them.

This routine was on opposite the opening of The Mercury Theatre's 
production of "War of the Worlds."  Everybody was listening to Edgar and 
Charlie on NBC, but when the routine finished and Nelson Eddy started to 
sing, a lot of people started twirling the dial and landed on CBS just as 
a "news bulletin" interrupted a music program with news of the Martian 
landing at Grover's Mill.  So nobody  heard the disclaimers at the 
beginning of Welles's program.

By the way, does anyone have a recording of this particular Chase and 
Sanborn Hour?

- Gregg Oppenheimer

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Date: Tue, 7 May 96 11:16:15 -0400
From: rickh@[removed] (RICK HARTNETT)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: AM transmitter
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

For Rick Botti.

Ramsey Electronics, 1-800-446-2295, makes an AM transmitter kit, part # AM-1
that will do exactly what you want.  My advice is to spring for the #CAM
matching case for the transmitter.  The transmitter is $[removed] and the case
it $[removed]  I have built and use both their AM and FM transmitters.  Be
advised - These are kits - if you are not experienced in building electronic
kits and soldering they can be a problem (I have actually wrapped capacitors
with tin foil to eliminate buzz).  If you don't build kits find a friend
that is a ham radio operator.  I can't imagine that they wouldn't jump at
the opportunity to build it for you for free.
Rick
KF9IV

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Date: Tue, 07 May 96 09:36
From: "bill harris" <billhar@[removed]>
To: "otr digest" <otr@[removed]>
Subject: Mortimer, how did you get to be so stupid?
Message-Id: <m0uGpXg-000YAyC@[removed]>

 filfeit@[removed] (Fil Feit) wrote:


>And to change subjects yet again (back to EB): does anyone know of
>a collection of Mortimer Snerd answers to "How did you get to be so
>stupid?"

Two that come quickley to mind.

Bergen: "Mortimer, I can't believe that your so stupid!"

Mortimer: "No?, well force yourself."

Bergen: "Mortimer, how can you be so stupid?"

Mortimer: "Well, being born ignorant helps a lot"

I really like the Bergen/Mortimer routines and especially
the "stupid" lines. Any more out there?

Bill Harris

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Date: Tue, 07 May 96 09:55
From: "bill harris" <billhar@[removed]>
To: "otr digest" <otr@[removed]>
Subject: AM transmitter
Message-Id: <m0uGpXg-000YAzC@[removed]>

>I have an Antique radio (Stromberg-Carlson) that I would like to use for 
>listening to my tapes of classic radio shows.  But I'm having a problem locating
>an AM transmitter to play my tapes through. The idea is simple, Play old shows 
>over an unused AM band across my living room to my old radio. FM transmitters 
>are a dime a dozen, but the AM ones seem to be much harder to locate. Any 
>Suggestions?
>
>Rick_botti@[removed]

Antique Electronics Supply sells an am transmitter kit. I have one
and it works quite well. It is one tube kit and comes with a piece
of pine board on which to build it breadboard style which makes
it a bit dangerous as voltages are exposed. I built mine in into
an aluminum enclosure. The price is $[removed] AES address is:
6221 S. Maple Ave., Tempe, AZ 85283 (602)820-5411. 
Ramsey sells a solid state kit for $[removed] I have no experience
with this kit but I hear from others that it drifts badly in
frequency and the audio is not good. I have tried other Ramsey
kits and was totaly unimpressed as they did not live up to 
advertised expectations so I cannot say that I recommed their
products, but you may have better luck. Their address is:
793 Canning Parkway, Victor, NY 14564 1-800-446-2295.

Usual disclaimers apply

Bill Harris

   

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Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 12:30:26 -0400
From: Michael Carraher <carraher@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Multipl,e Voices in Same Scene
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Lest we [removed]
He could change voices faster than speeding [removed]
Leap octaves at single bound.
Clayton "Bud" Collyer
Who disguised as genial quizmaster Bud Collyer
Fought a never ending battle for
To Tell the Truth, Justice and the American Way.
But before he came to Goodson and Todman with 
vocal powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men,
could change his voice in mid syllable from mild mannered reporter
to MAN OF STEEL.
"...this is a [removed] SUPERMAN!
I'm still amazed when I here him do it in the Max Fleisher Superman
cartoons (shown on AMC).

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:53:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: ulrich@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: one actor--all the voices
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

"Andrew C. Green" <acg@[removed]> wrote:

>I don't know the title, but I have heard a fifteen-minute or so program
>that Chuck Schaden played once in which the _entire_ _show_ was done by
>one man who did all the speaking roles. While I appreciate the effort he
>put into doing it, I frankly thought the novelty wore off about five
>minutes into the show, and it took a massive suspension of disbelief on
>my part to get through the whole thing. I believe it was a series, and
>perhaps someone else will jump in here with the title.

You may be referring to The Player, starring Paul Frees. It was a
syndicated show in the late 1940s. There were at least 82 episodes, the
first few of which ran under the title Studio X, rather than The Player.

Since I'm a newbie here, let me introduce myself. I was born the summer of
the Stan Freberg Show. I became interested in OTR through my interest in
Jay Ward cartoons (Rocky and Bullwinkle et al.). Most of the voice actors
in Jay Ward cartoons had been prolific in radio, especially William Conrad
(narrator of Rocky & Bullwinkle), Hans Conried (Snidely Whiplash), Paul
Frees (Boris Badenov and countless others), and Walter Tetley (Sherman).
These actors (and the others from Jay Ward cartoons) remain the focus of my
interest in OTR.

Charles Ulrich
ulrich@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 10:57:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: ulrich@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Streamlined Shakespeare
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

"Litsey, Alan" <alitsey@[removed]> wrote:

>On a totally different subject - I came across two old 33 1/3 recordings of
>John Barrymore playing excerpts from Shakespeare. They are clearly recorded
>from old radio transcriptions. Does anyone know what radio show(s) these
>excerpts may have been lifted from? The recordings were put out by RCA - I
>would guess in the 1960s. They are in excellent condition. Amazingly, they
>were for sale for 75 cents at a used book shop. Thanks.

I don't know if this is what you heard, but there was a show called
Streamlined Shakespeare in the summer of 1937. They did abridged versions
of Hamlet (6/21/37), Richard III (6/28/37), Macbeth (7/5/37), The Tempest,
Twelfth Night, and The Taming of the Shrew (7/26/37). John Barrymore
starred. Hans Conried appeared in at least four of the shows. The Museum of
Broadcasting in New York has the six shows listed above, and I think that
may have been the complete run.

Charles Ulrich
ulrich@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 14:01:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: caldwell@[removed] (Wayne Caldwell)
To: otr@[removed] (otr mailing list)
Subject: Tapes
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Where can I get blank cassettes? I have seen the white ones that come without
boxes around. Can someone tell me who to call or email for a price?

Thanks
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Date: 7 May 1996 15:17:12 CST
From: [removed]@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: The Good Old Days, and Spike
Message-Id: <m0uGttA-000YABC@[removed]>

Hi, all, I found a copy of an NPR. program from 1976 called The Good Old
Days of Radio. It was a publicity show for a program centered around OTR
 That PBS was doing. It features short interviews with Edgar Bergen,
Phil Haye, Les Tremain, Janet Waldo, Bret Morrison, Dennis Day, Hal
Perry, Ezrah Stone, Marvin Miller, Jim Jordan, Ken Carpenter, Bill
Baldwin, Herb Morrison, and NOrman Corwin. All the interviews wer done
during rehersals for the PBS show. It runs about 1 hour. If anyone would
like to trade something for it or whatever give me an e-mail It's fun
stuff. On another subject, one for the trivia experts, How many times
was there a crook on the Green Hornet Named "Spike?" I know it happened
in at least 2.

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Date: Tue, 7 May 96 17:38:04 EDT
From: ekindred@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Eternal Light A. Joseph Ross
Message-Id: <m0uGuSN-000YBBC@[removed]>

In reference to Joseph in the pit, I know that here are many references to Jesu
s (not by specific name) in Torah and the Tenach, and I knew that Joseph was an
 interpreter of dreams, but it was the first reference I have ever seen of Jose
ph being a prophet.

While I have the floor, I am crazy about Stan Freberg regardless of OTR/ non-OT
R pigeon hole. I remember being fascinated with Blue/green whatever color Chris
tmas, couldn't leave the parking lot until it was over.  One of my highlights a
t an IBM 100% club (the highlights were few) a few years back was Stan Freberg
givinga presentation on commercials, inegrity in commercials and some of the f
ights he had in selling what became very successful commercials. It was Wonderf
ul. I couldn't believe that he was standing alone at the front of the meeting r
oom after the presentation. What a dead audience. They preferred Alabama or Hal
l and Oates. I told him I thanked God for his talent and the pleasure I had rec
eived from him and his gifts during the years. He said that he thanked God ever
y day. When I looked a little surprised he explained that his Father had been a
 Baptist preacher.

One parting shot. What is OT anything. When I was in college I thought Wagner a
nd Verdi old and civil war relics ancient.  After looking at the brilliant col
ors which have survived thousands of years in the tombs of Ramses V & VI I came
 to realize that Mad? King Ludwig was looking at those Wagnerian scenes in his
bedroom at Neue schwanstein just yesterday. There is no old time OTR, there is
a wonderful legacy of creativity that is ours to enjoy from the near past.

I've been quietly enjoying you folks for several months and you tickle my memor
y bones back into the early 40's. Fortunately I had older sisters who led me in
to Chesterfield Supper Club,(Como n Stafford) Suspense the Norths etc. What a g
reat ride it has been.
Happy listening and reading to you all,
Ed

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Date: Tue, 7 May 1996 18:25:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Kathy O'Connell" <oconnell@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Don McNeill
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Just saw the announcement of the death of Don McNeill of radio's 
"Breakfast Club".  He was 88 years old.  
Some of us younger folks on this list (hi, Max!) will remember being very 
annoyed at WABC in New York because they continued to run "The Breakfast 
Club" for years after they had inaugurated their Top 40 rock format.  It 
was a very jarring transition each day.
Now, of course, I'd love to hear "The Breakfast Club" again.

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Date: Tue, 07 May 96 17:46:00 -0600
From: [removed]@[removed] (MEADE FRIERSON)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: first posting here
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

I have been lurking here for a couple of months or more,
enjoying the knowledgeable discourses on various programs
I knew about and more that I did not.  I have had little
access to books dealing with the broadest history of radio
and relied upon Jim Widner to confirm that most of those
books ignored science fiction on radio to the extent that
he and I should collaborate on our book.  Many times I have
wanted to jump in on this or that thread but sometimes I
singled out a particular message and sent e-mail to the
poster rather than send the message as this one is.  What
I would like to share at this time are a couple of subjective
info/opinion and some objective facts relating to actors.
     First, I would like to explain a rather strange history
of me and AM radio.  For obscure medical reasons, I was bed-
ridden from 1946-48.  I listened to radio - boy, did I listen
to radio.  If I heard Mockingbird Hill one more [removed]
Anyway, I listened to morning shows, afternoon shows (soaps) and
the wonderful evenings shows of that era.  Even after I recovered,
I avoided music and soaps like the plague but loved all the
prime time shows that are described in these messages as OTR.
     Others have said that we seem to be of two types here - those
who mean that OTR had its cut-off about the time of re-tred Gunsmokes
and those who enjoyed what they heard in the late fifties, sixties,
etc.  I am one of these - I will laugh with Amos and Andy, the
little girl who said `I betcha, I betcha' and with Bailey White on
NPR last year or last week.  Sure, there was a transition from an
industry to an incidental, cultural icon, or hobby, but as the
posters with whom I agree said, it's still imagination.
     Now for the objective stuff, I promised.  Re the actors who can
play multiple roles, I agree with all mentioned (all of whom for some
reason I have actually heard) but my personal favorite of these
people achieved less recognition than he deserved for his syndications
in the mid-sixties of the epic CHICKENMAN and in the early seventies of
THE TOOTH FAIRY -  I refer to Dick Orkin, then of Chicago, now like
Freberg
an ad maker in California.  His work is sensational; he did all the
scripting,
producing and male voices.  One female did his mother, nurse,
secretary,
airheads in various occupations, children, etc.  When he told me, that
he did all the roles, I was incredulous.  One of the most talented
comedic
geniuses of our age.
     Anyway, I know there are some fans of his work (which really ended
in 1976 with his less-successful Masked Minute Man for the
bincentennial)
who check in here and I wanted to put in this excellent digest a plug
for recent excellence truly appreciated by this 18-hour a day listener
to
OTR.

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