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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2001 : Issue 395
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Fred Campanella/Fred Capanella take [ ARago17320@[removed] ]
Re: Jack and Rochester, Sitting In A [ StevenL751@[removed] ]
Bryan Field [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
FM&M Christmas [ Roo61@[removed] (Randy Watts) ]
Re: Searching for mp3 files again [ Al Girard <agirard@[removed] ]
Deconstructionists [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
Re: paper records [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
Richard Crenna [ "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed]; ]
Station WJSV [ BH <radioguy@[removed]; ]
Station WJSV [ BH <radioguy@[removed]; ]
Looking through the glasses of the t [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
Cardboard discs - Radio Centenary [ "Phil Watson" <philwats@[removed]; ]
"Thanks A Million" [ "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed] ]
#OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig [ lois@[removed] ]
Marconi [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Richard Crenna [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Judy Garland Radio Shows [ "Rebekah" <rebekah@[removed]; ]
Re: RECORDINGS ON CARDBOARD [ "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; ]
Re: Cardboard and Floppy Records [ "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@hotmail ]
searching for mp3's again! [ "[removed]" <swells@[removed]; ]
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:42:25 -0500
From: ARago17320@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fred Campanella/Fred Capanella take 2
Hi again,
I should have slowed down and finished reading digest 393 more closely. The
name Capanella got scrambled in my mind to Campanella because I read it
quickly and as a young man watched the great Dodger catcher Roy Campanella
and my mind made that association with the name Chris Chandler had asked
about.
A thought for Elizabeth on not finding any reference for Bryan Field. It may
be that rather than having been a CBS staff announcer or employee that he was
only used for racing calls which would have been his speciality. Maybe he
too was a race caller for a big track and used on radio calls for the derby.
It may be that Fred Caposella would be in the same category and would not
show up in a standard reference book. Is what I speculate here a
possibility? I only bring this to your attention since you probably would
have no way to know that Caposella was a race track caller. I am not sure
but I think that his only job was as an NYRA employee and that he was not a
CBS employee but would have been contracted for calling the Derby for them.
I can't believe that I am actually trying to make suggestions to one of the
most knowledgeable researchers and experts in the business. I am in awe of
Elizabeth's knowledge and her willingness to share it with us. It would make
my century if any of this actually helps.
Al Ragonnet
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Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:43:11 -0500
From: StevenL751@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Jack and Rochester, Sitting In A Tree? :)
In a message dated 12/11/2001 9:20:18 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:
In short, while it would have been wonderful for a teenager struggling with
his sexuality to be able to turn on the radio and hear even ONE character he
could identify with, the truth is that there WAS no such character. Radio's
big postwar drive for 'tolerance' extended only to race and religion, not
sexual orientation. It took another 30 years for that dam to begin
bursting.
It's is indeed interesting to look at such characters and relationships
through the looking glass of our 2001 sensibilities and wonder "What [removed]"
But of course you are right, there's no subtext intended beyond what the
1940s censors would allow. Those were much more innocent times. I'm sure it
never even occurred to anyone to look beneath the surface of Jack's and
Rochester's relationship or to put Cliff Barbour on the analyst's couch.
But for those of you interested in such things, there's a very interesting
book out there called ALTERNATE CHANNELS: THE UNCENSORED STORY OF GAY AND
LESBIAN IMAGES ON RADIO AND TELEVISION, 1930'S TO THE PRESENT, by Steven
Capsuto. It's really a book about television, radio rates only a single
chapter. But in it the author takes great pains to single out characters
that can actually be identified as gay, as opposed to straight characters
whose behavior just happens to fit a modern-day stereotype (like Jack and
Rochester).
As one of the few examples cited for radio, check out the THEATRE GUILD
ON-THE-AIR's presentation of "Lady in the Dark" from 10/19/47. With lines
like "He's a beautiful hunk of a man," there's no doubt what gender interests
character Russell Paxton.
Steve Lewis
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:22:04 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Bryan Field
Chris Chandler wrote:
A sportcaster named Brian (or Bryan) Field He is apparently
the prime CBS sports announcer at the time this material picks
up in 1935--he calls all the Kentucky Derby races, etc.
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
This name rings a bell with me, but try as I might under every
variantn spelling I can think of I can't find a listing for him
anywhere in the 1939 Variety Radio Directory -- which is quite
unusual for anyone with even a regional reputation. I'll take a
look at the "Broadcasting" magazine microfilms when I get a
chance and see if he shows up anywhere there.
Once again, the book "Golden Throats & Silver Tongues: The Radio
Announcers" by my late friend Ray Poindexter, comes thru! On page 142
is a note that probably came from a 1936 Broadcasting magazine item:
"The CBS crew for the Kentucky Derby consisted of Bryan Field, turf
expert for the New York Times who described the race, Bob Trout, and
Westbrook Van Voorhis." So there's your spelling and an indication of
what Field did during the rest of the year. He probably was used for
just calling horse races, not as an all around prime CBS sports
announcer.
I sure wish Ray was still around, he would have loved forums like this.
But his two books are certainly little gems for starting out searches.
(His other book is "Arkansas Airwaves.") I was the one who turned him
on to the availability of the Broadcasting magazine microfilms, and he
went thru every issue thru 1945 pulling out mentions of announcers and
compiled them into Golden Throats in 1978.
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:23:48 -0500
From: Roo61@[removed] (Randy Watts)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: FM&M Christmas
Ted was even so kind as to e-mail me a
script of the show from a previous year
which clearly indicated that there be no
applause at the end of the piece, that
instead it go straight to "This Is NBC,
The National Broadcasting Co."
Well, my sincere apologies to the nice folks at Johnson's Wax for
thinking they would give a plug for Glo-Coat precedence over the impact
of Fibber and Molly's Christmas show. That's the kind of cynicism that
results from listening to Stan Freberg too often.
Come to think of it, it did occasionally happen that sponsors at least
partly suspended commercials for special occasions.
Incidentally, did these "'Twas the Night Before Christmas" performances
continue into the 1950s, or did they end when sponsorship passed to Pet
Milk?
Randy
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:23:26 -0500
From: Al Girard <agirard@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Searching for mp3 files again
I recently bought a run that I thought to be nearly
complete, only to find 45 duplicate shows, shows that have been severely
edited, missing programs that I know exist (Because I have them!) and
worst of all, shows that start, and then, in the same file start over
after about 5 minutes!
That's quite common because there are people who download everything they
can get their hands on from news groups and then become "dealers" on ebay.
They probably never listen to the material or even check the shows for
quality.
I think, now I know why so many "serious" collectors steer clear of the
mp3 format! I've given it a try, and after dealing with 3 sellers on
ebay, I have found only one that I would do business with again.
The format is not the problem but rather the shoddy workmanship in the
encoding of shows. If a person was to feed the audio from a tape player
into a computer without listening to the show, all kinds of nasty things
may be transferred as well. Then again if the show is encoded to mp3
without listening to it or without taking care in making certain that
the proper settings are in place the end result is the kind of junk that
is circulating on ebay.
I borrowed a Gangbusters CD that a friend bought from one of those dealers
and I received several from another collector friend who had downloaded
shows from Usenet groups.
Half of the episodes were dupes, two had audio levels so low that they
were almost nonexistent, and at least twenty were from recent OTR replay
shows with local recent commercials and plugs [removed] I spent quite
a bit of time working on the shows in an effort to make them
listenable.
I removed the dupes and also the recent commercials. The result is that
I now have a decent collection of Gangbusters that I've added ID3 tags to
and re-titled for neatness and order.
I take a lot of care with my collection and make an honest effort to have
clean audio, with no induced artifacts and with glitches removed. It's
obvious that there are a lot of collectors who don't share that philosophy,
and their collections are often what ebay bidders end up buying for.
Al Girard
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:24:43 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Deconstructionists
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 18:37:22 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
Otherwise they would have learned that (1) For more than seven years,
Amos and Andy not only room together, they share the same bed.
I believe that in times past, this was not uncommon and not a sign of
homosexuality. I seem to remember, back in the early 1950s, seeing some
Mutt & Jeff comic strips in which Mutt and Jeff share a bed together.
In fact, I think that homophobia may have grown stronger in the our
generation. Sometime around 1965, I visited the Massachusetts State House
and saw legislators and lobbyists, all male, greeting one another with
arms around each other in ways which shocked me at the time. (At the same
time, in those days, the visitors' galleries in the House and Senate
chambers were divided into "Men's Gallery" and "Women's Gallery.") I
have visited the State House many times since, and the sort of highly
physical greeting among men that I witnessed at that time, I have not
seen since at least 1970.
Not that men don't hug one another today, but it's different from what I
saw in 1965, and also less common.
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed]
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:25:03 -0500
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: paper records
There is a company called Evatone. They are located in Florida. I think
around Tampa. They use to be in Chicago or somewhere in Illinois.
They may be the only company who successfully promoted and pressed the
small plastic records that you would find inside of magazines and sometimes
on the outside of cereal boxes.
I once had a great idea of making a musical birthday card using these
records. Never got to far with it and then the little chips appeared that
play when you open a card, so I scraped that idea.
Anyway, Evatone is still around. Years ago, I wrote to them and got a whole
box of samples. I still have them.
If someone will remember to remind me, I can bring them to the Cincinnati
convention for anyone to see.
It is amazing the kind of stuff you accumulate over the years.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:25:13 -0500
From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Richard Crenna
Richard Crenna also had an occasional part as a young boy in Mutual
Network's "Straight Arrow" show. He was reported as a nice kid to work
with - very professional for a "young 'un".
Lois Culver
KWLK Radio (Mutual) Longview, WA 1941-44
KFI Radio (NBC) Los Angeles CA 1945-47, 50-53
Widow of Howard Culver, actor (Straight Arrow)
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:25:50 -0500
From: BH <radioguy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Station WJSV
Another [removed] Someone a few days ago referred to WJSV in Washington
as a CBS owned and operated station. Not so. WJSV stood for Jame S.
Vance, it's founder, and owner. The CBS Washington news bureau was >housed
at WJSV, which brought about the misinformation.
Bill Murtough
I have a recording of a complete days broadcast of September 21,
1939 from WJSV. The recording begins at 6 am. The announcer says,
"Good morning, this is station WJSV, owned and operated by the
Columbia Broadcasting System, with studios in the (sounds like)
Earl building, at 13th and East Street North West in the city of
Washington". The announcer goes on to say that the transmitting
facilities are on Mt. Vernon Memorial Blvd. in Historic Alexandria
VA., on property leased from the Richmond Fredricksburg and
Potomac Railway Co., operating on 1460 kcs.
The first thirty minutes is a musical interlude with the announcer
giving the time every few minutes. At 6:29 and a half, Arthur
Godfrey announced the time and begins the Sundial program of music
and talk.
Bill Harris
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:26:02 -0500
From: BH <radioguy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Station WJSV
In my previous post I quoted the address of the studios as "at
13th and East Street North West". I listened again more closely
and I believe instead of East Street, it should have been E
Street.
Bill Harris
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:26:53 -0500
From: JackBenny@[removed]
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Looking through the glasses of the time
Very interesting discussion about homosexual subtexts of Jack Benny and Amos
n Andy. Of course, I (and I'm sure many of you) have heard these allegations
for years, with people steadfastly claiming that Jack WAS or WASN'T gay.
I've also heard theories about Dennis' character as being gay (there was
one show where he comments to Jack, "You're my DREAM MAN!") or Mary as being
a lesbian. Then you can spin all sort of spiderwebs, like "Jack dreams he's
married to Mary so they can cover for each other!". It almost reminds me of
the "Paul is Dead" phenomena of the 60s, where people found clues in
everything ([removed], a random license plate of "28IF" on the Abbey Road cover
becomes an indication that Paul would have been "28 IF he had lived"). Some
people have just too much time on their hands.
I suppose the ultimate question is, "Why does it matter?" And I am convinced
that, as Chris noted, that the original writers had no thought to the
possible "revisionist views" of their work.
An excellent compendium of homosexual portrayals in Hollywood is "The
Celluloid Closet", in both book and movie form. Some of them are perfectly
obvious, including the bickering of taxi drivers in Jack's own short "Taxi
Tangles" (although not included in the book or movie). But some of them make
me wonder if people aren't reading in something that may not have been there;
Mrs. Danvers in "Rebecca" may have been a lesbian in love with Rebecca, but I
think the role plays equally as well if you accept her as just a creepy
villain. In any event, an excellent example of today's views looking back on
yesterday's entertainment.
--Laura Leff
President, IJBFC
[removed]
[removed] We now have free Jack Benny E-cards on our site which will be equally
well-received by your straight or gay friends.
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:27:19 -0500
From: "Phil Watson" <philwats@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Cardboard discs - Radio Centenary
Well we've heard from the US & Australia on this topic, how about Europe ?
I live in the UK & remember receiving a recorded postcard from a relative on
holiday in France in the middle 50's. One side had the usual space for the
message and recipient's address, the other was a printed scene of Paris,
with a thin transparent plastic skin affixed. The grooves cut into the
plastic played typical French accordion cafe music as I recall. The whole
thing was about 8" x 5", so that when it was played the corners didn't hit
any part of the record deck. Of course, there was a hole in the middle to
slip on the turntable.
Today's digest mentions the centenary of Marconi's broadcast, and as I was
typing the above, BBC TV's breakfast show had a feature on the event, live
Regards
Phil
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:27:31 -0500
From: "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: "Thanks A Million"
Perhaps the OTR Digest gang can be resourceful to
provide an answer to an inquiry I received from Gary Dixon. He's looking
for information about a
song called THANKS A MILLION. It was the title
of a mid-1930's movie, but it also was a radio show closing theme at one
time. Could you come up with the name of the person/show who used to close
his/her show with the song or any other information.
gary@[removed]
Thanks for your help. Happy Holidays to the list.
Russ Butler oldradio@[removed]
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:27:39 -0500
From: lois@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!
A weekly [removed]
For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
Network, the channel name is #OldRadio. We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
over four years, same time, same channel!
Our numerous "regulars" include one of the busiest "golden years" actors in
Hollywood; a sound man from the same era who worked many of the top
Hollywood shows; a New York actor famed for his roles in "Let's Pretend" and
"Archie Andrews;" owners of some of the best OTR sites on the Web;
maintainer of the best-known OTR Digest (we all know who he is)..........
and Me
Lois Culver
KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
and widow of actor Howard Culver
(For more info, contact lois@[removed])
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:30:33 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Marconi
Bill Jaker "S"alutes Marconi, and mentions;
Guglielmo Marconi built a powerful transmitting station at Poldhu, on the
Cornwall coast of England and a listening post at Signal Hill near St John's,
Newfoundland.
I may have mentioned this before in the Digest, but I'm inspired to risk
being repetitive. While in the US Air Force back in the early 50's, I was
stationed in St. John's Newfoundland. I made quite a few trips to the
impressive, small and solidly built stone tower atop Signal Hill.
Having already spent 12 years as a Radio Performer, I was aware, (even as a
young tad of 20), of the major historical significance of that location, and
the event that took place there. Sort [removed] of my Radio Actors
"Birthright".
Hal(Harlan)Stone
"Jughead"
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:30:49 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Richard Crenna
--
"Roby McHone" mentions;
"Richard Crenna has been mentioned several times in the last few Digests.
Didn't he also play Luke in TVs "The Real McCoys"?
Yes. And Richard Crenna also "Plays" a mean game of golf. I found that out
when he attended a Celebrity Golf Tournament here in Sedona.
Hal(Harlan)Stone
"Jughead"
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:32:54 -0500
From: "Rebekah" <rebekah@[removed];
To: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Judy Garland Radio Shows
Hello Everyone,
This is my first time posting to the list, but I enjoy reading the posts
every day. I'm a fan of several classic stars and right now I'm trying to
collect every radio show featuring Judy Garland. Unfortunately, I've been
having plenty of trouble finding a few titles. If anyone can help me find
these shows, I'd be very grateful. Here's what I'm looking for:
"Alice Adams" (The Theatre Guild on the Air) 1950
"Babes in Arms" (Gulf Screen Guild Theatre) 1941
"Cinderella" (The Hallmark Playhouse) 1951
"The Clock" (Lux Radio Theatre) 1946
"Eternally Yours" (Silver Theatre) 1941
"For Me and My Gal" (Screen Guild Players) 1943
"Lady in the Dark" (Lux Radio Theatre) 1953 (Not to be confused with the
Ginger Rogers version)
"Morning Glory" (Lux Radio Theatre) 1942
If anyone knows where I can get these shows for a reasonable price, please
let me know! Thanks everyone,
~Rebekah~
WBEK Radio - Musicals, Golden Performers & Me!
[removed]
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:37:06 -0500
From: "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: RECORDINGS ON CARDBOARD
Writes Ian Grieve:
The only time I have seen an example of a cardboard
record was a record of sounds supposedly involved in the shooting of JFK.
It was distributed by none other than Playboy in the middle of one of their
magazines.
Just in case there are any audiophiles and/or assasination buffs going nuts
out there: the disc was actually in OUI magazine, which was at one time a
Hefner publication, but was either spun off or sold when this issue came
[removed] which would have been either 1976 or 77, after the Assassinations
House Committee released its report claiming multiple shooters based on this
sound evidence. I remember this because some years ago, the PBS series NOVA
did a special on the various JFK conspiracy theories (it was hosted by
Walter Cronkite, thus giving this post the requisite OTR link). Some sound
engineer, using the OUI disc (floppy vinyl, not cardboard, as was pointed
out), demonstrated that the "extra gunshots" were either echo or delay
caused by a police car's radio speaker. (In other words, we heard the
actual shots, then the sound of those same shots as heard over a police car
transmitter.)
As for actual cardboard discs: does anybody remember when you could get a
Monkees record on the back of a box of cereal circa 1971?
Michael
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:13:35 -0500
From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Cardboard and Floppy Records
Ian Grieve writes:
The only time I have seen an example of a cardboard record was a record
of sounds supposedly involved in the shooting of JFK. It was distributed
by <snip> Playboy in the middle of one of their magazines.
As Stephen A. Kallis, Jr. has pointed out, this would have been from the era
of a cardstock-backed record, not a cardboard one. As well, the magazine in
question was not Playboy, but one of its competing cheapjack clones in the
skin rag trade, Gallery. I had a copy of that record, and as far as
establishing newly-determined facts re the JFK assassination, it didn't as
far as my ears were concerned. (To bring this at least a little closer to
topic, the record allegedly contained a section of the aircheck tape of the
Dallas Police Department's radio traffic at the time of the shooting.) To
the best of my memory as a regular reader -- yes, I wrote _reader_ -- of
both Hugh Hefner products of the period, Playboy and Oui, I never
encountered a record inserted into issues of either one; as the Playboy
Records label was still in existence and distributed by Epic/CBS (and, with
Mickey Gilley's releases, having a good stretch of sales in the C&W market),
I suspect such may have been a violation of the distribution deal. The
closest instance of such a record insert was (as I recall) an issue of Oui
that contained a cardstock single of one of the tracks from The Beatles'
audition session for Decca Records in London on New Years' Day 1962, but
this was after Hefner had sold Oui to another publisher.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:44:19 -0500
From: "[removed]" <swells@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: searching for mp3's again!
Rodney stated last time:
I think, now I know why so many "serious"
collectors steer clear of the mp3 format! I've given it a try, and after
dealing with 3 sellers on ebay, I have found only one that I would do
business with again. Besides this ordeal, I had a similar experience with
some Bob & Ray episodes that
were barely listen, and all of the shows had 1 of 5 dates on them!
The main problem with this is that most, I hate to say "all" because that
may not be the truth, of those individuals never encoded those shows to
start with. They just downloaded them from newsgroups and websites and
solely exist of someone else's hard work. Bear in mind that those shows have
been "shrunk" down so far that any quality audio has been lost. I am sure
that they really don't care though. Sadly, it's these cases that give the
mp3 format a bad name.
I have personally encoded literally thousands and thousands of shows,
and I am more interested in preserving the audio quality of the material as
opposed to how many of them I can fit on a CD. For example, I recall working
on the General Mills Adventure Theater just a short time ago. It took 3 CD's
in high quality format to "house" all 52 episodes, but I notice where
someone encoded some that would fit all 52 hours on one CD. That alone
should give some indication of how far they "shrunk" those down.
I suppose the question is, would people rather have 100 episodes on a CD
with only 30 or so that are enjoyable, or have 30 or so episodes with each
one being enjoyable?
In some cases that old cliché applies, " you get what you pay for."
I laugh sometimes when I see some of their marketing tactics. I have
seen some where they basically have no idea what the encoding rate the shows
are, ( clear indication that they "took" this material ), and I have even
see where one guy states that he checked all the shows with some type of
virus protection. Come on now, would anyone have to do that if they created
the material themselves? I don't check my shows with virus protection. It
is rather funny if you think about it. :)
As I finish a series , I box up the source material I used, reels,
transcriptions, or in cases where I borrowed something from friends, send
them back to their rightful owner, so I can make room to work on something
else. With a collection that spans over 40,000 original shows, I can only
fit so much material in my little studio at anyone time.
Shawn
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