Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #335
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 8/25/2002 8:22 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 335
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Phillip Morris Commercial             [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      sound efects sources                  [ "Henry Brugsch" <henry@listentohear ]
      Peter Lorre on Jack Benny             [ Carolie Minuscule <daggerofthemind2 ]
      The High and the Flighty              [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Quiz quiz                             [ "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed] ]
      Chirp!                                [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Re: Recording SFX                     [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Sound Effects                         [ dougdouglass@[removed] ]
      Fulton Lewis, Jr.                     [ Timothy Clough <timothy@[removed]; ]
      Norm Jolley                           [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      Re: Dramatic Bergen                   [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Show opening                          [ otrbuff@[removed] ]
      "My! My!"                             [ Roo61@[removed] (Randy Watts) ]
      Nipper                                [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
      MY MY                                 [ NOSTALGIA1@[removed] ]
      Jack Benny, the racist                [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Strut Your Stuff                      [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Dis-cussion                           [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE      [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:53:00 -0400
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Phillip Morris Commercial

    Although we've been on a cigarette commercial thread recently, this is a
    question that I've been intending to post for some time now.
    As a child I was intrigued by the music Phillip Morris used for their
    commercials, which was from Ferde Grofe's "On the Trail" from "The Grand
    Canyon Suite". At the time I did not know that it was anything other
    than commerical music but I was
    enthralled everytime it came on the air. Of course Johnny would call for
    Phillip Morris while the music played. However I remember hearing a very
    long playing of this theme with little or no commercial  interupting it.
    Does anybody know if Phillip Morris ever did this or was I listening to
    someother orchestra playing this theme just for entertainment value? I
    know that what I heard was not the complete "On the Trail" movement
    because it didn't contain the storm and other music that I heard only
    when I hear the whole suite on LP in later years.

    Thanks, George Aust

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:58:55 -0400
    From: "Henry Brugsch" <henry@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  sound efects sources

    Stephen Kallis asked about sources of sound effects. I am a sort of
    collector, in as much as when I see one of these compilations, so long as it
    has recordings of railways, or aircraft, I'll out and get it.
    But, I had a chance to meet a sound man from WOR, Beck, but can't remember
    his first name, accept, it wasn't Jackson. (g>)
    He told me of all of the sound effect libraries. I had heard of a couple of
    them, Standard,and SilverMasque come to mind.
    I am sure there are others.
    I wish I could get my hands on the Standard library of Aviation sounds,
    since a long time ago, I had a chance to hear some recordings at a sound
    studio of some of the aviation effects.
    One of them was that all-to-familiar chatter of a piston prop aircraft
    turning over at the apron. Sort of generates a triple beat that makes a
    ratatata effect. If you have heard it', you'll never have forgotten it. It's
    almost typical often I airport scene where someone is about to board a plane
    that's waiting the start. Well, I got an id on this thing, it was a Douglas
    DC-2. The next sequence was the plane in flight I'd really like to find
    these again, and archive them. My guess,they are either all gone, or only
    exist with some collectors in private collections. The same goes for rare
    recordings of steam locomotives. My guess is, a lot of these sounds came
    from optical transcriptions of sequences recorded on film, since this medium
    was still the best sound in the '30s, and '40s. Then, they were perhaps
    pressed onto records for general distribution to the studios, and production
    companies.
    Some of these sounds are of amazing quality. For example, the sequence that
    was s used to open Grand Central Station.
    Not sure, but be willing to bet it's a Hudson class 4-6-4 on the Harman
    division of the former New York central
    T
    Sort of a triple beat that goes ratta ta ta rata ta.
    sound

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Likely Barney Beck, who when well was a great friend to the
    hobby.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:57:19 -0400
    From: Carolie Minuscule <daggerofthemind2000@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Peter Lorre on Jack Benny

>     Cheryl Morris in Harrisburg is looking to verify a
>     specific Peter Lorre appearance on The Jack Benny
>     Program, cause she does not have any March
>     1946 episodes in her collection.

    I got the 3/24/46 episode from Radio Showcase.
    Benny reads a book about a Man on Death Row, and in
    explaining how he ended up there, in comes Peter
    Lorre.  He's only on for about ten minutes.

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:05:55 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The High and the Flighty

    Jarry (xfiles) asks,

>     The sign also advertises a radio show, "Tune in 'Wings of Destiny'
>     Friday Night NBC Network". Anyone have info of this show?

    Dunning says it was aired from 11 February 1940 through 6 February 1942.
    It was apparently intended for a young-adult audience.  He lists it as an
    adventure show.

    Considering that aviation was an integral part of World War II (I have a
    "Keep 'Em Flying" button of the period), it's interesting that it ended
    in early 1942.  Hop Harrigan started on 31 August of that year
    (admittedly aimed at a younger audience).

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:05:32 -0400
    From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Quiz quiz

         Here's an OTR quiz.  Forgive me if I've made some questions too
    difficult. The answers are at the bottom of this posting.

    Neverblunt Fountain Pens presents 'Take It Or Stake It'. Here's your [removed],
    Bill Phaker.

    Thank you.  Our first contestant, [removed] Dijestte, has chosen the
    category 'Quiz Shows'.  OK, name the current weekly radio quiz show on which
    you often hear the expression I'll give you.
    # For  $1:  The secret word
    ...
    Yes, correct!  You have one dollar.  D'ya wanna take it or stake it for the
    two-dollar question?  ...

    # For  $2:  You're a Lemac now
    # For  $4:  You'll be SOOOrryyyyyy!
    # For  $8:  You're right, that's wrong
    # For $16:  Is the animal part leather?
    # For $32:  The Thought Twister
    You've won thirty-two dollars.  Wanna try for the big sixty-four dollar
    question?           ...
    # For $64:  Are you ready, Chicago? (Yes!) Are you ready, New York?

      --Phil C.

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: I moved the answers to the bottom of the issue; it's too easy
    to peek otherwise.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:06:28 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Chirp!

    Lee Munsick, speaking of the sound effect of a car stopping by using
    screeching brakes and tires, notes,

>     The driver may be in a panic stop situation.  He may be coming to a
>     slow, hopefully quiet stop in a Lover's Lane so as not to bother the
>     other residents.  He may be on pavement, mud and mire, loose gravel,
>     sand, rain-slick asphalt, dirt road, for all I know riding into a foot of
>     water on a flooded road.  ...  Yet there's still that screeching stop!
>     Amazing!

    Another "universal" sound that I'cve observed on many OTR shows is the
    way of indicating that the scene is supposed to be outdoors, at night.
    There's a background sound of crickets chirping.  The story can be set in
    the country, in the desert, in the jungle, in the mountains or almost
    anywhere other than in the heart of a major city, and there always are
    those crickets.  And (naturally) always chirping at the same rate.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:30:31 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Recording SFX

    On 8/24/02 11:16 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     Silly [removed] did these companies record the sounds? I mean, today,
>     you can go pretty much anywhere with a digital recorder the size of your pen
>     and record any sound you want; in the '30s, weren't the available disc
>     recorders a little large to go lugging around?

    Early on, the sound equipment would be mounted in trucks and powered by
    batteries. The feasibility of recording outdoors on wax disc masters
    using sound trucks had been demonstrated by the Vitaphone Corporation as
    early as 1929 (the Richard Barthelmess feature "Weary River" was the
    first to incorporate outdoor sound-on-disc recording), and sound-on-film
    processes were being used on trucks as early as 1927 -- Fox Movietone had
    an entire fleet of trucks for newsreel use, and sometimes rented these
    trucks out to outside clients. Gennett owned a fully-equipped sound truck
    which was used for live recording of "Speedy Q" sound effects, and other
    companies presumably used similar equipment.

    Portable recording units mounted in carrying cases were available as
    early as 1930, and were widely used for field recording of dialects and
    folk music by anthropologists and musicologists -- but these used
    uncoated aluminum discs, and were not of good enough quality for
    mastering purposes. By the mid-thirties, however, portable machines using
    lacquer blanks were widely available, and could be taken to locations
    that would be inconvenient for a sound truck. Such machines were used not
    just by companies in the SFX-record business but also by individual sound
    technicians looking to get sounds that were too specific to be included
    in commercial libraries -- such as, for example, ambient noise from the
    concourse of a specific public building.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:29:30 -0400
    From: dougdouglass@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Sound Effects

    Thomas J. Valentino is still in business.
    The Music and Sound Effects libraries are here ...

    [removed]

    ---- Doug Douglass

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 13:28:07 -0400
    From: Timothy Clough <timothy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fulton Lewis, Jr.

    I'm currently performing in a local community theater production of "The
    Pajama Game." (Opening night was last night (Friday).)

    In this play, which takes place in the 50's, there's a reference to
    listening to Fulton Lewis, Jr. My question: Who was/is Fulton Lewis,
    [removed] Judging from the play, he sounds like he was a conservative talk
    show host (or something like that). If so, in what ways was he similar
    to, and in what different from, modern day, conservative talk show
    hosts? I would prefer answers to be as objective as possible, just so we
    don't get into another fiasco.

    Thanks in advance.
    Timothy Clough

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 14:59:33 -0400
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Norm Jolley

    An obituary for Norman Jolley was in the LA Times on Friday:

    [removed]
    2Dobituaries

    Not mentioned is the fact that he had a regular role (Dr. Malingro) on the
    SPACE PATROL radio series.

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 15:00:21 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Dramatic Bergen

    On 8/24/02 11:16 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     My question to this astute group is, did Edgar Bergen ever appear
>     without Charlie McCarthy in a straight dramatic role

    At least a couple -- in 1948, Bergen appeared in a supporting role in the
    film adaptation of the play "I Remember Mama," the story of a
    Scandanavian immigrant family making the adjustment to life in the US in
    the early years of the 20th Century. Given Bergen's Scandanavian
    background, he was a logical choice for this film.

    In 1971, Bergen was cast as the original Grandpa Walton -- appearing in
    "The Homecoming," the TV movie which spawned "The Waltons" TV series the
    following year. Bergen was quite good in the film -- there was no trace
    of anything Charlie McCarthy in his interpretation of the role -- but as
    it happened, most of the adult leads from the TV movie were recast for
    the regular series, and Bergen was replaced as Grandpa by Will Geer.

    Most intriguingly, Bergen at one time owned the remake rights for "The
    Great Gabbo," the prototypical "insane ventriloquist posessed by his
    dummy" movie, and was considering doing a new version of this film, with
    himself in the role originally played by Erich Von Stroheim. "Gabbo" in
    its original 1929 version was a strange picture -- its dramatic mood
    sabotaged by some of the most inept musical numbers ever committed to
    film. Done as a straight psychological drama, without the idiotic musical
    inserts, it could have been a genuine breakthru role for Bergen, but for
    whatever reason he never made the film.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:01:11 -0400
    From: otrbuff@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Show opening

    In light of recent discussions, I continue to think of this as a most
    distinctive and memorable show opening, typical of the introduction to
    Arthur Godfrey Time's final weekday segment (it was on the network for an
    hour before it reached this point each day) in the late 1940s and early
    1950s:

    SFX:  Bong (CBS 11 [removed] ET signal).

    TONY MARVIN (deep basal-voiced announcer):  Which cigarette is milder?
    It's Chesterfield . . . the only cigarette that puts the proof of
    mildness . . . squarely up . . . to you.

    (Single chord on piano)

    JANETTE DAVIS (vocalist):  A . . .

    THE MARINERS (male quartet, backed by ARCHIE BLEYER'S orchestra):  Always
    milder!

    JANETTE DAVIS:  B . . .

    THE MARINERS:  Better tasting!

    JANETTE DAVIS:  C . . .

    THE MARINERS:  Cooler smoking!

    JANETTE DAVIS:  A . . . B . . . C!

    ARTHUR GODFREY:  Always Buy Chesterfields.  They satisfy!

    THE MARINERS (backed with orchestra as Godfrey whistles the jingle):
    Smoke dreams . . . smoke, smoke dreams . . .

    JANETTE DAVIS (with orchestra accompanying): While a Chesterfield burns .
    . .

    (At this point, the advertising jingle segues into Godfrey's theme song,
    "Seems Like Old Times."  The old redhead whistles it in the background
    over the announcer's blurb.)

    TONY MARVIN:  Chesterfield . . . presents Arthur Godfrey Time Mondays
    through Fridays . . . with all the little Godfreys -- Janette Davis, The
    Mariners, Archie Bleyer and his Orchestra, and Arthur's special guest,
    the Talent Scouts winner.  And now . . . here's that man himself  . . .
    Arthur "buy 'em by the carton" Godfrey!

    (Thunderous applause and Godfrey takes the reigns)

    When I was home from school I listened nearly every day.  I must have
    wished a thousand times I could be in that audience.  For me, it never
    happened.  I also liked the show even better as Robert Q. Lewis, Arthur's
    vacation replacement for several weeks each summer, used to say:  "It's
    so great for me to return to my show again!"  It wasn't his but a rapport
    developed with daily audiences, as evidenced by raucous laughter,
    indicated he was well received.  The couple of tapes I own of his visits
    are among my most treasured audience participation features.  If anyone
    has several of these I'd love to hear from you--the Godfrey morning
    program with (or even without) Robert Q.

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:02:17 -0400
    From: Roo61@[removed] (Randy Watts)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "My! My!"

>     I really like the song & dance number called "My, My!" that Eddie "Rochester"
>     Anderson performed in one of the Jack Benny movies ("The Meanest Man in the
>     World"? I can't exactly place it). Does anybody out there in the ether happen
>     to know if Rochester's performance of this song is available on CD?

    Anderson made a commercial recording of "My! My!" that was released on a
    Columbia 78 rpm single, catalogue number 35442.  "Let's Scuffle" was on
    the flip side.  I have no idea whether or not it's ever been released on
    CD.

    Randy

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:02:24 -0400
    From: Jer51473@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Nipper

    What kind of dog is Nipper?

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 16:32:57 -0400
    From: NOSTALGIA1@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  MY MY

    My My by Eddie Anderson is on one of Joe Franklin's compilation cd's . You
    can probably find it on [removed]

    I play it all the time on the air.

    Bruce Kalver
    Nostalgia Times Radio Programme
    AM1420, WBSM, New Bedford, MA [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:21:45 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jack Benny, the racist

    Bob mentioned something that brought to mind:
    Subject:  Benny in a movie?
    About 15 minutes into "Springtime in the Rockies",
    Harry James and orchestra have a big number. The end
    violinist (stage left) sure looks like Jack? ? ? ? Bob

    In 1938, a short 7 minute cartoon entitled "It Happened to Caruso" was
    released in the theaters, and it was a direct parody of radio's JACK BENNY
    PROGRAM.  The plot concerned Weschester, the vegitarian cannibal (a parody
    of Rochester), who becomes Robinson Caruso's Man Friday (Jack Benny's cloned
    voice).  Caruso ends up killing a tiger with his violining and there's even
    a scene where Westchester and Caruso are riding in a broken down car (the
    old Maxwell).  It's a funny parody from 1938, I saw it last week when I
    purchased it on video at the Fanex convention in Baltimore, maryland, that
    sadly, is not usually aired over the networks, because it supposedly
    contains racist material in it.  The cartoon is not one of the popular
    "Censored Eleven", but certainly comes close.

    Still, it's a wonderful parody of Jack Benny and Rochester and I have always
    been wondering what other parodies were done about Jack Benny?
    Anyone know of any others?

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:22:22 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Strut Your Stuff

    The scholarly Elizabeth McLeod, detailing the availability of sound
    effects records in the days of yore, quotes the description of one of
    them:

>     "47A AERIAL BATTLE: Continuous -- 2 mins. 40 seconds. This effect
>     re-creates a 'dog fight' with roaring of plane motors, whining of struts
>     and wires, and ever present the deadly sound of machine guns.

    Well, that gives some indication of what time period these effects were
    aimed for.  Struts and wires on fighter aircraft (called "pursuit planes"
    in the World War II period) were effectively phased out by World War II.
    (Yeah, purists can point out the Nakijima Type 95, the Arado 196, and a
    few others had wires and/or struts, but these weren't leading fighters,
    to put it mildly.  The P-38, P-40, P-47, P-51, Focke-Wulf 190, Me-109,
    Zero, Kale, and Val were all monoplanes.)  Dogfights utilizing World War
    I aircraft were very slow moving by comparison even to World War II
    aircraft (the fight shown in the film, The Great Waldo Pepper, was
    speeded up from how it would really have been)..

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 21:22:42 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dis-cussion

    Charlie Summers asks, anent recorded sound effects,

>     Silly [removed] did these companies record the sounds? I mean,
>     today, you can go pretty much anywhere with a digital recorder the size
>     of your pen and record any sound you want; in the '30s, weren't the
>     available disc recorders a little large to go lugging around?

    There were "portable" disk recorders.  They were rather bulky by modern
    standards and were battery operated.  I saw one of these in an
    educational film, where it was being used to record folk music in the
    Appalachians.  It was small enough to be put in some vehicles, though,
    because of the short duration of the recording, in many cases, an
    operator would have to go along for the ride.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:15:41 -0400
    From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE

    Here's our shows for the week starting Sunday 8/25/02
    [removed]           24/7 streaming high-end netcast

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    1. THE BIG SHOW   1/7/51   T. Bankhead presents: Fred Allen, Danny Thomas,
        Edw. G. Robinson, Marlene Dietrich, Phil Baker and Fran Warren.
    2. FRONT PAGE DRAMA -  1/14/34     "The Devils' Daughter"  with Sheila Hayes.
    3. DROP DEAD - "Chicken Heart"   with Host, Arch Oboler

    HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood
    1. THE GREEN HORNET     NBC     11/25/39  "The Smuggler Signs His Name"
        from an original transcription copy.   Al Hodge.
    2. THE ADVENTURES of SHERLOCK HOLMES     BBC   1970's  replay -
        "The Blue Carbuncle"   with Robert Hardy and Nigel SDtock.
    3. THE COLGATE S[PORTS NEWSREEL with BILL STERN     NBC  #540
        3/10/50 -  Guest: Kirk Dopuglas.

    Enjoy!           Tom & Jerry

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