Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #290
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 7/28/2002 9:03 AM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 290
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Cassette                              [ "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed] ]
  Re: Collecting Media                  [ "" <cooldown3@[removed]; ]
  OTR on XM Radio and Sirius            [ Jerry <xfyles@[removed]; ]
  Re: Baseball on Radio                 [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Re:Ted Williams in WW2                [ alo <alo@[removed]; ]
  Baseball on Radio                     [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
  Go Get 'em Braves                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Ted Williams in WWII                  [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
  OTR pet names                         [ danhughes@[removed] ]
  OTR on Cassette                       [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
  Copyrights redux                      [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  Re: Ted Williams in WWII, and Korea   [ Ed Foster <erfoster@[removed]; ]
  Re: Jug's given name                  [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]

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Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 11:18:15 -0400
From: "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cassette

In Digest # 288, David asks the musical question:

Do many collectors still
utilize cassettes?  Should I break down and
invest in the advanced tools to keep from being left behind?

I am sticking with cassettes, at least for now.  I will be retiring soon and
plan on starting to put my 8,000+ programs on CDs but not MP3.  I plan on
donating copies (on cassettes and/or CD) to the local library and Pioneer's
home.
I have nothing against MP3, mainly because I know nothing about it.  I have
spent tons of time and money on my collection and plan on keeping it
uncompressed.  This old dog doesn't want to learn too many new tricks.

Roby McHone
Fairbanks, Alaska

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:21:02 -0400
From: "" <cooldown3@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Collecting Media

I am curious to learn if this firestorm about collecting media [original
transcript vs reel to reel vs cassette vs mp3] and was it as controversial
when the DAT dual tapedeck technology was released about a decade back.

I studied lingusitics for a time and was amazed at the differences between a
"language" and a "Dialect". It seems a language has an army and a navy,
wwhereas a dialect does not.

Could this be the case here in the media wars?

I have also seen how trade unions, once formed can close the doors to new
members to insure income flow for existing members.

Like Ted has previously posted, we all share a common interest here.
Speaking personally I would never sell a show , let alone a cd full of
shows. It would ruin the hobby for me.

Patrick

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:21:38 -0400
From: Jerry <xfyles@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR on XM Radio and Sirius

I have XM Radio and have a few thoughts I thought I might pass along. First
off I like XM Satellite radio. Although there is some repetition its not
bad.

Regarding the OTR. I listened to the sample stream of Radio Classics at the
Sirius web site and it sounds as if it's just repeats of Radio Spirits
programming. However I knew Media Bay/Radio Spirits formed partnerships with
the Satellite stations to broadcast OTR,I was hoping for original content
specifically tailored for Satellite radio. Not endless repeats of "When
Radio Was" shows. [removed] something along the lines of custom programming
like,thematic days. For example a day dedicated to comedy shows or a
specific show. A Jack Benny day. Original lead ins and discussion about the
[removed] Live hosts,etc. Instead I fear we are going to get repetition and
little if any rare shows or special programming. Who knows, I'll stay tuned.
Whatever the format just to have OTR broadcast is a plus.

Anyone have Sirius Satellite radio who can report?

Closing thoughts regarding satellite radio. Anyone thinking of jumping on
board, I would recommend the Sony DRM-XM01 plug-n-play unit. What's unique
about the Sony is you can use it in the home or the car. All the others are
car models only. With only a car unit the urge to sit in my car, parked,
just to listen would not only be inconvenient but a little strange as
well,especially in 90+ degree heat! :) Satellite radio has allot to offer
than mere casual radio listening with regular AM-FM. This is where the home
unit shines and comes in handy,especially when you first buy it and are
getting used to it.

Jerry

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:21:51 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Baseball on Radio

On 7/27/02 11:07 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

Someone -- it may have been Duke Snider in his book -- said that in Brooklyn
during the baseball season you could walk along the street and not miss a
single play during a game.  Almost every house would have a radio on, which
you could hear through the open windows, one house after the other.

This is precisely the way it was up here -- from April to September, you
literally couldn't avoid hearing Sox broadcasts. I grew up in a
neighborhood where air conditioning was an unaffortable luxury, and every
warm night every house would have people sitting on the porches with
radios on, tuned to the game.  You'd drive in to a gas station -- and
there'd be a radio with the game on. You'd walk into a store -- and you'd
hear the game. You'd walk past a stoplight, and a car would be stopped
there, with the windows rolled down and the game playing on the radio.
You'd go to the playground or the shore, and somebody would be sitting
there with a portable radio with the game on. Some people reminisce about
the crickets and the chirpers -- but for me, the steady rumble of a Sox
game in the background, coming from all directions at once, is the
defining sound of summer.

An illustration of how much of a part of the fabric of daily life
baseball broadcasts were. One night in 1975, when the Sox were in the
heat of a pennant race, my grandmother and I were sitting in a dark
parking lot in the car waiting for my grandfather to come out of a store.
We had the game on and the windows down, and Martin and Woods were
talking away -- and suddenly a group of hippie-types leaned up against
the back of the car and began to conduct a drug deal. We were terrified,
and tried to remain as quiet and unnoticeable as possible -- and we
didn't dare to touch the radio for fear it would give us away. We sat
there for what seemed like forever, as money and little packets changed
hands -- and then it finally seemed like they were finished and were
going to leave. Until we heard one of them say "wait -- I wanna hear the
end of this inning."

Elizabeth

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:24:07 -0400
From: alo <alo@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re:Ted Williams in WW2

At 11:03 AM 7/27/2002 -0400, Jer51473@[removed] wrote:
Elizabeth posted a couple of days ago about ned martin seeing action in ww2
and indicated that ted also saw action. Im not sure that she was saying ted
served during that time or that he actually saw action. There were a few
baseball players that actually saw action in ww2, but i dont ted was among
them although he did, as did many other players, serve 2-3 years during that
war. I could be wrong on this, but i think this is correct.

Ted Williams was a Navy flight instructor for three years during World War
II. (Keep in mind that he hit .406 in 1941. If he'd stayed home, there's no
telling what he might have accomplished from the baseball standpoint as he
was in perhaps his prime at that point. Also keep in mind that he had a
legitimate deferment which he ultimately (after the '42 season) chose not
to exercise.)

I don't know if there was any actual combat experience for him during WWII,
but he certainly saw his share during the Korean War -- just ask John
Glenn. <g> Ted was his wingman, serving as a Marine pilot for almost two
years & bringing home an Air Medal & two Gold Stars (& a million stories <G>).

Hope this clarifies things a bit,
Amanda (Sox in my blood, can't be helped)

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:24:35 -0400
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Baseball on Radio

Elizabeth spoke of Doris Kearns Goodwin's book about her love of baseball
and the Dodgers.   I liked that book very much because I related to it very
personally except that I grew up as a Giants fan (still am) and it evoked so
many special memories.

Spence Coleman, another Dodger fan, [and we know of at least one other big
Dodger fan in this group, Hal Stone]  wrote:

Someone -- it may have been Duke Snider in his book -- said that in
Brooklyn
during the baseball season you could walk along the street and not miss a
single play during a game.  Almost every house would have a radio on, which
you could hear through the open windows, one house after the other

That was an experience I shared and missed when I moved to California.
One of my fondest memories of hot summer days in NY was the reassuring sound
of a baseball game on the radio.  Also, in the 50s before the Dodgers and
Giants deserted NY it seemed like the first topic of discussion among folks
every day was the ball game the night before and the one that was to be
played that day.

"The Boys of Summer" is a great book about that period.

Radio and baseball have always been associated in my mind.

~Irene

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:24:56 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Go Get 'em Braves

When the Boston Braves moved to Milwaukee in 1953, it was an instant love
affair with the Braves. When they moved to Atlanta in 1965 it was an instant
hate affair with baseball, which still persists today.

I was listening to a vinyl record called, “Go Get ‘em Braves” which are
excerpts of radio highlights of the Braves Twelve years in Milwaukee. Great
Nostalgia! Does anyone out there remember the Braves announcers Earl
Gillespie, who worked for WEMP and Blaine “the Blainer” Walsh, who worked for
WTMJ? They may not have been the best announcers in baseball, but they had to
be the most fun.

Another subject. I concur with all those people who are reluctant to jump on
the new technologies band wagon. As of this post I have 12,316 cassettes.
There is no way I am going to convert to something new. I have already
converted my reels to cassettes several years ago, that was my first and last
conversion. By the time cassettes become obsolete I will be dead and buried.
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:25:54 -0400
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Ted Williams in WWII

Jer51473 wrote:

Elizabeth posted a couple of days ago about ned martin seeing action in
ww2
and indicated that ted also saw action. Im not sure that she was saying ted
served during that time or that he actually saw action. There were a few
baseball players that actually saw action in ww2, but i dont ted was among
them although he did, as did many other players, serve 2-3 years during that
war. I could be wrong on this, but i think this is correct.

Former Senator/Astronaut John Glenn spoke of Williams active duty.

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Williams flew with Glenn on about half of his combat missions, protecting
his plane from enemy fire.
The former astronaut recalled that Williams showed dedication and pursued
perfection both as a baseball player and as a fighter pilot.
Soon after he started flying combat missions, Williams' plane was hit by
anti-aircraft fire, Glenn said. The landing gear wouldn't go down, and he
had to crash-land his burning plane.
"Well, obviously that shakes anybody up,'' Glenn said. "But he went right
back to flying again. He wasn't going to chicken out on something like
that.''
Williams, baseball's last .400 hitter, left the Boston Red Sox at the end of
the 1942 season to enlist as a pilot in World War II. He did not return to
the majors until four years later.
He continued to serve as a Marine Reservist and was called to serve what
Glenn called "very active'' combat duty in Korea in 1952.
"He never complained about that,'' Glenn said. "But if he had stayed in
baseball, he would have broken even more records than he did.''

Irene
IreneTH@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:26:14 -0400
From: danhughes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR pet names

About 10 years ago, my then-seven-year-old daughter Karen named her two
goldfish  Jane and Irma, from the My Friend Irma show.  Alas, they did
not live long.

Nor did Huckleberry, a bright blue betta fish named for a line from the
Jack Benny show:  "His eyes are as blue as the tongue of the winner of a
huckleberry pie-eating contest.")

Six years ago she named our new Maltese dog Gadget, not from OTR but from
a Disney cartoon show called Rescue Rangers (Gadget was a female mouse
who could build and repair anything).  Gadget is still going strong.

---Dan

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:26:29 -0400
From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR on Cassette

In issue 288 David asked:

Do many collectors still utilize cassettes?  Should I break down and
invest in the advanced tools to keep from being left behind?

David it is entirely up to you, your listening habits and your source for
shows.  I wouldn't worry about being left behind, if you don't have a home
computer by now, then my assumption is that you haven't really wanted one
and you shouldn't buy one until you want to.  If you get a car with a CD
instead of cassette, that will probably prompt you more.  Don't change until
you have to or want to, there is nothing wrong with listening on cassette.
Listening comes back to what suits your lifestyle, preservation is different
and if you want to give that a shot, go for it.  Plenty of people here and
elsewhere would be more than willing to give you advice.

Ian Grieve

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:28:32 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Copyrights redux

Irene mentions in her post:

I don't want to rip off anyone, but I am confused about copyright issues and
ownership issues and public domain issues. I hope someone can help me sort
out the legal issues involved which are separate from what may be ethical
issues.

Though we have been round and round on this subject many times, just keep
in mind up front there are several items to remember:

There are licenses and there are copyrights (and there are trademarks).
Radio Spirits, for example, has or claims to have licenses to distribute
certain shows. [removed] they just signed with  Bob Hope  and Jack Benny estate
to be "exclusive" distributors of their radio programs. This does not mean
they own the copyrights, which are owned by the appropriate estate.

And programs such as "The Shadow" might be protected through various
trademarks (and possibly copyrights), which means any use of their marks (I
know Advance Publications holds trademarks on "The Shadow" and "Who Knows
What Evil [removed]") could be a violation.

Beyond that, there are a number of copyrights held on certain radio series
- Stacy Keach Sr. owns "Tales of the Texas Rangers" for example. He can
grant various kinds of licenses to distribute as he sees fit.

Many copyrights are murky never having been challenged and other shows are
strictly in the public domain. It just takes a lawyer time (and money) to
research the rights and make determinations.

Because many hard core collectors have not proven to be a threat, there is
rampant trading and copying of various shows that could very well be
protected. It is the Internet (and MediaBay among others) who are changing
much of that. The Internet, as with the music industry's issues, has made
the material so pervasive that those who seek to make some kind of profit
are more hindered than what a smaller number of reel/cassette collectors
might have prevented.

MediaBay is perhaps one of the biggest threats to at least Internet
activity. Doubt if they would go after the smaller vendors selling the tape
versions. But those putting them on the Internet for free download become a
bigger threat if it is shows that company has a paid license to sell. They
want to own the virtual market in my opinion and are constantly positioning
themselves to that end.

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

[ADMINISTRIVIA: Yes, goodness, let's see if we can go at least another six
months before we get into the Great Copyright Debate [removed]  --cfs3]

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:28:51 -0400
From: Ed Foster <erfoster@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Ted Williams in WWII, and Korea

Jer51473@[removed] wrote:

Elizabeth posted a couple of days ago about ned martin seeing action in ww2
and indicated that ted also saw action. Im not sure that she was saying ted
served during that time or that he actually saw action. There were a few
baseball players that actually saw action in ww2, but i dont ted was among
them although he did, as did many other players, serve 2-3 years during that
war. I could be wrong on this, but i think this is correct.

I believe he was in flight training but the war ended before he could
be sent overseas, so he did not see any action in WWII.  However he
was recalled during Korea and flew combat missions in that "police
action"

--

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Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2002 03:29:17 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Jug's given name

 Derek Tague states.

Occasionally in the Archie comic books, there is reference to Jughead's
real given name of "Forsythe P. Jones," usually invoked by Jughead's mom or
by
teacher Miss Grundy. Would anyone (including Hall Stone) know, off-hand, if
Jughead's given name was ever referred to on the Archie radio programme, and
if so, was it Forsythe?

Yes Derek, It most definitely was Forsyth [removed] (No wonder he preferred
being called Jughead). But don't ask we what the initial P. stands for.
That's probably as big a mystery as what the large letter "S" stands for on
his turtleneck sweater. (Archie Comics still refuses to divulge that bit of
trivia).

I can recall being addressed as Forsyth on the radio program on a very few
occasions. Always by the schoolteacher Miss Grundy. And whenever I was in a
scene with snooty "Mrs. Lodge", (Veronica's mother) that's the name she
used. I think my weird "Uncle Herman" (when he was written into the script),
also used Forsyth.

Hal(Harlan)Stone
"Forsyth"

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