Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #443
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 11/18/2002 3:51 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 443
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      THE OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE  [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
      re: shadow                            [ Michael Beck <mbeck@[removed]; ]
      CBS Radio / Network Radio of the 196  [ Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed]; ]
      THE SHADOW - "Murder by the Dead"     [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      Re: One Man's Family                  [ HRRMIKES@[removed] ]
      re: Barbour Family                    [ chris chandler <chrischandler84@yah ]
      Freeman Gosden - Ham Station          [ "Bill Orr" <billorr6@[removed]; ]
      JFK Assassination                     [ chris chandler <chrischandler84@yah ]
      Tape to CD                            [ "Holm, Chris " <[removed]@delphiau ]
      Gene Nobles                           [ "Mary Ann Allen" <wallen@[removed] ]
      Stephen Dunne as Sam Spade            [ "Gordon Gregersen" <gsgreg@pacifier ]
      GENE NOBLES                           [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
      Logs for "Backstage Wife"             [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
      WORDS AT WAR publication date         [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
      Re: FOTR Videos                       [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:24:15 -0500
    From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  THE OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE for
     week of: 11/17/02

    Hi Folks - Here's the lineup for the coming week on the Olde Tyme Radio
    Network at:
    [removed]
    New shows posted for hi-end streaming audio every Sunday for 7 days.

    SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges
    The first week of Jerry's Thanksgiving shows
    1. THE JACK BENNY PROGRAM   CBS    11/30/52  "Thanksgving Pilgrims"
    2. JEFF REGAN, INVESTIGATOR   11/13/48   "The Pilgrim's Progress"
    3. LIFE WITH LUIGI    CBS  11/22/49   "Hot Dogs for Thanksgving"
    4. TARZAN, LORD OF THE JUNGLE   11/29/51  "African Thanksgiving"

    HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood
    1. THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SHERLOCK HOLMES   ABC  4/7/47
    with Tom Conway and Nigel Bruce in "The Adventure of the Tolling Bell"
    2. STRAIGHT ARROW   MBS   1/7/50   "Howard Culver stars in "The Faithful
    Blackfoot"  aka  "The Loyal Indian Guide"   or "The Snowbound Wagon Train"
    3. THE COLGATE SPORTS NEWSREEL with BILL STERN     NBC  #514
    6/2/49  With Special Guest: Former US President, Herbert Hoover.

    Enjoy  --   Tom & Jerry

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:40:06 -0500
    From: Michael Beck <mbeck@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  re: shadow

    There was a movie about the Shadow made in 1994 starring Alec Baldwin.
    [removed]
    Not bad. NOt great, either, though.

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:14:01 -0500
    From: Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  CBS Radio / Network Radio of the 1960s

    Jim Koski (JIMWMQT@[removed]) replied, regarding Andy Griffith on CBS Radio:

>     Andy Griffith did indeed have a nightly 5-minute monologue little chat
>     on CBS in late '59 & early '60.  It ran in, if I remember my research
>     corectly, a half an hour block at 7:30 with a 5-minute newscast, a
>     5-minute selection of audio clips from the "Burns & Allen" TV (yes,
>     TV!) show, and "Bob & Ray". Most of the shows were dumpd a few months
>     before CBS axed almost everything else in November of 1960.

    In the "repeat" of SUSPENSE: Sorry Wrong Number, which aired in Spring
    1960 (this originated from New York, but was a reformatted "rerun" of the
    1957 or 58 version recorded in Hollywood), there is a CBS RAD))|((O promo
    for "Commedy Time". CBS New York announcer Stuart Metz (sp?) starts off
    the promo mentioning Bob & Ray airing weeknights on CBS Radio, but also
    mentions Andy Griffith, Burns & Allen, and Amos 'n' Andy as well, all part
    of "Commedy Time, weeknights at the 'Stars Address', CBS Radio".

    By the mid-1950's and continuing through the cancellation of a good deal
    of CBS Radio programming in Nov/Dec 1960, Amos 'n' Andy had become the
    "Amos 'n' Andy Music Hall". It was about 25-min's long, and was more like
    a 'DJ' program with little commedy one-liners. It ran M-F evenings.

    Bob & Ray were (briefly) on CBS Radio at this time as well (for the most
    part, I think of Bob & Ray on NBC Radio, especially on the weekend MONITOR
    Beacon). The CBS Radio schedules I've seen from 1959/60 indicate Bob & Ray
    as being a full quarter hour (15-min's) in this weeknight "Commedy Time"
    block.

    I would assume that the 5-min weeknight Andy Griffth on CBS Radio was from
    his commedy albums of "down home humor and philosophy", probably stuff
    like "What it was, was football", or his rendition of "Romeo & Juliet".
    Many of these Andy Griffith commedy monologues were later incorporated
    into dialog on Andy's TV sit-com. I can remember him telling Opie about
    Romeo & Juliet, or telling Barney about football!

    And the 5-min Burns & [removed] I seem to think that these were the little
    "stand-up" skits of dialog between George & Gracie, which would frequently
    close-out the TV episodes, where they would be standing in front of a
    stage curtain, and George would simply ask Gracie how her brother or
    mother or whoever was doing that week, and Gracie would just TALK for five
    or so min's (with George occasionally interrupting to ask something "HOW?
    could such happen?"!).

    This "Commedy Time" block would run approx. 50 mins total. The remaining
    ten-mins would probably have been :00-:05 for five min's of CBS Radio news
    (still only [removed] it wasn't until December 1960 when CBS RAD))|((O
    expanded most hourly newscasts to TEN full min's for most of the 60's),
    and the other five-min's, maybe at :55 to close out the hour? (or maybe
    from :30-:35?) would have been a 5-min news COMMENTARY or maybe a five-min
    sportscast.

    Yes, ALL of these short-form or semi-long form entertainment segments on
    "Commedy Time" were gone shortly before or by the [removed] major
    revamping of the CBS Radio schedule. With that change, most hourly
    newscasts were expanded to TEN full min's, "Have Gun Will Travel" was
    cancelled, "Suspense" was cancelled (only temporarily, it came back in
    June 1961 to replace "Gunsmoke" -- the TV Gunsmoke with Arness would be
    expanding to a full hour in Fall 1961 anyways)... the weekday/daytime
    P&G "Soaps" (some of which dated back to the 1930's were cancelled), and
    so forth.

    "Gunsmoke" remained (until replaced with the return of "Suspense" in June
    1961) as did "Johnny Dollar". But "Suspense" and "Yours Truly, Johnny
    Dollar" were gone at the end of [removed]

    [removed]

    Even though many of these programs were being "trimmed back" some, Arthur
    Godfrey Time, Art Linkletter's Houseparty (audio track of the TV show),
    Garry Moore, Bing Crosby & Rosemary Clooney's "Funny Side Up", and several
    other entertainment programs were retained by the CBS RAD))|((O NETWORK
    well into the 1960's. There was also "Dear Abby" and also a brief run of
    "Let's Talk with Lucy" (Lucille Ball) added to CBS Radio's in the 1960's
    as well.

    While these weren't necessarily the "same" as prime-time or even daytime
    network radio fare of the 1940's/50's, CBS Radio did maintain SOME form of
    "semi-traditional" programming throughout the 1960's. ABC Radio also
    continued Don McNeill's "Breakfast Club" until the end of 1968 (with
    1-1-1968, it was packaged as part of the American Entertainment Network
    format), and NBC Radio had the weekend MONITOR Beacon until [removed]
    (But I've always wondered about what did "poor Mutual" have in the 1960's
    in the way of "traditional" network radio fare?)

    Art Linkletter's broadcasts on CBS Radio continued through about 1968 or
    so, and Godfrey left the network in April 1972. (Yet less than two years
    later, CBS is returning to more "traditional" type programming with the
    CBS Radio Mystery Theater, in [removed]!).

    If you can find un-edited (non-AFRTS) copies of 1961/62 Gunsmoke, Suspense
    and Johnny Dollar tapes, you'll hear promos for the TEN-full-min's CBS
    hourly newscasts, promos for the weekday daytime "variety/commedy"
    programs, and promos for the (new) NetALERT system of bulletins and
    automation tones (the BLEEPS tones) which many episodes of 1962 Suspense
    and Johnny Dollar have in them. The NetALERT Bleeps are still used by
    Westwood/CBS Radio to this day, but the system was completely upgraded in
    May or June 1978. The current "bleep" tones are much more softer than they
    were in the 1960's/70's.

    Mark J. Cuccia
    New Orleans LA

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:54:17 -0500
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  THE SHADOW - "Murder by the Dead"

    In a message dated 11/18/02 9:42:01 AM, oRuk77@[removed] writes:

>     does any one have info about the episode ladeled 'Murder By The Dead'
>     10/17/37. This sounds like a recreation.

    ***Yes, it was the first OTR recreation I ever directed, and occurred at the
    1983 Friends of Old-Time Radio Convention.  Rosa Rio (who provided the music
    on the Orson Welles Goodrich season and later filled in on some of the
    Johnstone and Morrison Blue Coal broadcasts) was behind the Hammond organ for
    the recreation.  Featured in the cast were announcer Ken Roberts, Dwight
    Weist as The Shadow, Margot Stevenson as Margot Lane, Jackson Beck as Weston
    . . . and Gertrude Warner (radio's longest-running Margot Lane), Arnold Moss,
    Dick Osgood, Sidney Slon (THE SHADOW's most prolific scriptwriter), Arthur
    Anderson, Karl Weber and Parley Baer.  All of the cast members had worked on
    the original series except Parley, including WXYZ's Dick Osgood who acted on
    Street & Smith's DETECTIVE STORY PROGRAM in 1930 and LOVE STORY DRAMAS (also
    hosted by The Shadow) in 1931-32 before beginning his 37-year run at
    Detroit's WXYZ.  And to make the occasion extra special, Shadow-creator
    Walter Gibson was in the audience. --ANTHONY TOLLIN***

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:24:25 -0500
    From: HRRMIKES@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: One Man's Family

         dantrigg422@[removed] raised questions about information in a One Man's
    Family premium that bore Fanny Barbour's name-probably Fanny Barbour's Memory
    Book from [removed]  As fans of OMF know, the Barbour Family tree has many, many
    people and characters who were written in and out of the ongoing story lines.

         Yes, there were marriages, births and deaths over the many years and the
    details are part of the lore and the attraction of this great show.
         If the Dan would like to get more info, there are several  things he can
    do.  1.  Join the One Man's Family Family and get our Family Ties newsletter
    on an ongoing basis.  2.  As a member, he can order one of the truly
    outstanding logs of all time, produced by our own Dr. Edwin Titus.  The
    information included in the 80+ pages is amazing. 3.  Check our website at
    [removed]  (due to be updated within the next two weeks)
         And, Dan can write us directly if he wishes.
    Mike Sprague
    The One Man's Family Family

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:37:39 -0500
    From: chris chandler <chrischandler84@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re:  Barbour Family

    Dan Trigg asks about the Barbours' poor track record
    of keeping their spouses [removed]

>     Claudia Barbuor, born 8/1/12. Married 5/6/31 to Jim
>     Roberts Jr.  (deceased 1931).

    Based on these dates, you probably have a copy of
    Fanny's "Memory Book", issued in spring, 1953. This
    turned out to be the final premium offer in the
    series' run, attracting a quarter-million responses
    even while network radio was otherwise quickly
    collapsing.

    Claudia actually married the gangster Johnny Roberts
    in 1932, but two decades later the date was subtly
    inched back a year so that the Joan character (along
    with cousins Pinky and Hank)could reach adulthood a
    teensy big sooner, in 1950. This was one of the few
    liberties the series ever took with 'aging' its
    characters.  There was also a
    subtle-but-never-dishonest effort near the end of the
    OMF run to de-emphasize Father Barbour's advancing
    years (he would have turned 85 in 1960).

>     Clifford Barbour, twin to Claudia Barbour. Married
>     /19/37 to Anne  Waite. deceased1938.)

    Poor Cliffie had it even worse than the rest of the
    family--his second wife Irene was also killed, mowed
    down by a car (long story) in 1946.  And even AFTER
    the 'Memory Book' was published, young Hank lost HIS
    wife and child in a tragic auto accident in, I think,
    early 1954.

>     Are these marriages and then deaths  true, and
>     If they are, were they questioned?

    Oh they're all true, but you must remember that the
    span from 1917, when Paul's true love died, and 1959,
    when the series ended, is a VERY long time--especially
    in the land of Radio Soapdom, where gangsters,
    amnesiacs, psychotic suitors, and long-lost/previously
    unmentioned relatives were par for the course.  OMF
    managed to stay remarkably true to life over the
    years--even though it featured ALL of the above at
    some point, and so (as you'll discover when you start
    listening), this bizarre-sounding track record really
    rings remarkably true within the context of the
    series.  You'll see.  :)

    chris

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:18:20 -0500
    From: "Bill Orr" <billorr6@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Freeman Gosden - Ham Station

    There is also a photo of him at his station on Page 184 of "A Pictorial
    History of Radio's First 75 Years" by B. Eric Rhoades.  It is credited to
    [removed]  Don't know if it is the same pix or not.

    Bill Orr, K5SYP (ex-W4TIM)
    Tulsa, OK

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:19:58 -0500
    From: chris chandler <chrischandler84@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  JFK Assassination

    Was just watching some old NBC-TV video of the Kennedy
    assassination 39 years ago this week.

    I've heard hundreds of hours of old *radio* news, but
    never seen much early TV network stuff--and I must say
    I'm really taken aback at how very, VERY low-tech it
    is!  Essentially, it's a radio broadcast, accompanied
    by some very, very boring pictures!!  There's almost
    no film; correspondents' reports are illustrated with
    cardboard-cutout graphics; and the whole enterprise is
    burdened by cumbersome technical procedures that
    rendered it nearly impossible, for example, to get
    even telephone reports from Dallas on the air.

    TV usually gets most of the kudos for its handling of
    this story, but comparing what I watched this weekend
    to the radio assassination coverage I've acquired over
    the years, I have to say the radio stuff is by far
    better--faster, more facile, more broad-ranging and
    sure.

    NBC radio ran its coverage as basically an emergency
    edition of "Monitor", and the steadidness of its
    effort reflects the net's several years' experience in
    mounting those marathon long-form broadcasts.  Anchor
    Morgan Beatty was absolutely rock-solid that
    afternoon, his performance almost--but not
    quite--matched by Alan Jackson over on CBS.  And
    whether you think it was a giant scoop or a giant
    mistake in judgement, it was CBS *radio*, not TV,
    which first broadcast word that JFK was indeed dead--a
    historic scoop that came an agonizingly long while
    before official confirmation arrived (all this, of
    course, because Dallas correspondent Dan Rather told
    his NY desk the President had died.  He thought he was
    gossipping--only to hear his bulleting being relayed
    over the air, followed by the National Anthem!!)

    ABC's radio coverage was also remarkably agile,
    scooping all other broadcast networks with a report
    from Texas only moments after the shooting.  And even
    Mutual, though hampered by a lack of resources--and
    the unfortunate MIA status, early on, of its Dallas
    reporter--kept up a coherent stream of wire reports
    and reax from Washington.

    In short:  forty years later, you only hear about TV
    coverage of the assassination.  But there's plenty of
    evidence that the radio effort was every bit
    television's equal.  And I'd say sheer logistics
    suggest more people--in offices, factories, schools,
    and cars--got their early crisis news from radio,
    rather than TV.

    So how about it:  I'm not old enough to remember, but
    those of you who were--are your broadcast memories
    that day of TV, or radio?

    chris

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:20:17 -0500
    From: "Holm, Chris " <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Tape to CD

    I know this has come up before, and I don't want to start a whole thread on
    it, but I do have a question.  I would like to copy some tapes to CD.  They
    don't have to be great, I just want a few for the car.  Can someone recommend
    a good way of doing this?

    I would like to use my computer, so I don't have to buy any new hardware.
    I've got a [removed] GHz P4, with an 80 gig harddrive, 12X CD burner, and Sound
    Blaster Audigy Platinum sound (so I've got all sorts of sound inputs).  Can
    someone:

    a) recommend software?

    b) tell me if I should first copy the tape to the hard drive, and then burn
    the file, or try to go straight from tape to CD in real time?

    c) pass along any tips or tricks

    Thanks for any help.
    -Chris Holm

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:21:18 -0500
    From: "Mary Ann Allen" <wallen@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Gene Nobles

    Hello,

    I placed Gene Nobles disc jockey in the [removed] search engines and
    there were many hits.  Maybe you can find out about him using google.

    Mary Ann
    ---
    Mary Ann Allen wallen@[removed]
    The Gathering Place [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:26:18 -0500
    From: "Gordon Gregersen" <gsgreg@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Stephen Dunne as Sam Spade

    In the past, several posters(most recently Mr. Osentowski on 10/10/02) have expressed
    a displeasure with Stephen Dunne in the radio role of Sam Spade.  I enjoy Dunne's
    Spade but I wish to avoid any battle of opinions.  I offer just a few comments:

    Howard Duff did Spade for about 221 shows, beginning in the summer of 1946.

    On 11/17/50, Dunne and new announcer Don Rickles (replacing Dick Joy, who had been
    the announcer since the 1st show) joined Lurene Tuttle ("Effie") for a final run
    of 24 shows.  During this final run, San Francisco [removed] Lt. Dundy is portrayed at
    various times by both Bill Conrad and Lou Merrill.

    Although Miss Tuttle played Effie for all five seasons of the Spade broadcasts, there
    were various times that her character was missing from the show.

    Near the close of the 4/13/51 show, Lisle Rooks, Western editor of Radio-Television
    Mirror magazine, presented Stephen Dunne with the American listeners "FAVORITE DETECTIVE
    AWARD" as voted by the readers of their annual poll. This award was NOT given to
    the show, and not to Duff, but to Dunne.

    At the close of the 4/27/51 show (2 shows after Dunne got the award), Dunne and Tuttle
    implied that this was the final show and that listeners should write (and complain,
    I assume) to Sam Spade, 1 East 48th Street, New York.  And that was the end of new
    Spade broadcasts.  I don't believe that the network ever did any reruns.

    Gordon Gregersen
    Portland, Oregon

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:26:42 -0500
    From: PURKASZ@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  GENE NOBLES
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain

            Ed Howell really got me going with that mention of WLAC and Gene
    Nobles, so I entered his name into Google and came up with this wonderful
    page on what surely was one of the most influential stations of the mid-50s.
          <A HREF="[removed]">WLAC, NASHVILLE</A>
         I was 15 then, tuning in WLAC every night to hear dem blooze man and it
    drove me right out of school and into radio so by 1963 I was on the air in
    Natchez Mississippi, playing the blooze on WNAT.
         They fired me after a month.
         On to Mobile, CBS outlet, too middle-of-the-road, but fun. Fired me
    there too. Long hair and too much jazz on afternoon show.
         Arthur Godfrey must have complained.
         On the road again and into the country.
         Fresno gave me hell and I gave it back.
         Monterey was next, KMBY, they loved the blooze there.
         Honolulu called. All night show, big audience of Nam guys in '65.
         Sitting in with ex-James Brown band members and a stint as the drummer
    on the strip show circuit on Hotel Street, I was the happiest guy in
    paradise.
         Then, Island fever kicked in.
         Back to Monterey. They remembered me.
         PDs began to call
         I ended up at KDIA San Francisco,
                  <A HREF="[removed]">Mike
    Sheppard (Gwynne) on KDIA Oakland, 1967</A>
         Then on to Honolulu, KPOI back to New York WWRL and thence to LA, KGFJ.
         Man what a trip before I got into the movies.
         It was all dat damn WLAC in the late
    night-under-the-pillow-transistor-radio antics and I wanna thank you for the
    memory jog.
         Whew!
         Living and writing screenplays in New York now and plenty of time for
    musical reflection.
         Wrote a script of them days and still have most of the 45s.
         Can I get an entire John R show from someone?
         Even a bit?
                            <A
    HREF="[removed],+Michael+C.">Michael C. Gwynne</A>

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:26:51 -0500
    From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Logs for "Backstage Wife"

              If anyone knows where I can get a log of  "Backstage
    Wife", I'd appreciate it.  I've got some episode numbers,
    but need the dates of the programs which correspond to them.

    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:27:05 -0500
    From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WORDS AT WAR publication date

    I just heard from my publisher: I will be receiving copies of WORDS AT
    WAR to ship out next week.  Anyone who made a prepublication order and
    who did not hear from me in the last week or so should contact me right
    away about payment procedures.

    Howard Blue [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:28:30 -0500
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: FOTR Videos

>     [ADMINISTRIVIA:
>     have no vested interest in these tapes/DVDs other than having been fortunate
>     enough to play with Fred's high-end equipment for a few panels, and being in
>     front of it for one recreation. (I don't think I broke [removed])  --cfs3]

    That must explain why my camera keeps putting up the words "vas you der
    Charlie"

    Just kidding. Charlie, you and Harold did an excellent job of handling the
    camera. And maybe now I can sit and watch your acting ability. I was too
    busy with the camera to really pay attention.

    Yea folks. Charlie was in a recreation.

    Fred
    [removed]

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Complaints should be sent to Gary Yoggy.  --cfs3]

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