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Date: 11/13/2004 10:19 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 363
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: Unique Radio Voices               [ Ga6string@[removed] ]
      serialized Mr & Mrs North             [ "Rodney W Bowcock" <[removed]@ ]
      Sirius and XM                         [ "Jerry Bechtel" <jerrybechtel@jalc. ]
      Re: OTR on XM and Sirius              [ "Kirby, Tom" <Kirby@[removed]; ]
      Re: XM vs. Sirius                     [ "Rodney W Bowcock" <[removed]@ ]
      Unique OTR Comedy Voices              [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
      Yesterday USA at Sperdvac             [ BryanH362@[removed] ]
      OTR on Satellite                      [ "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed] ]
      11-13 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Re: Unique Radio Voices               [ Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed]; ]
      XM versus Sirius                      [ William Harker <wharker@[removed] ]
      Re: Satellite radio                   [ Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed]; ]
      XM vs. Sirius                         [ Tom Greenli <tom_greenli@[removed]; ]
      Radio Voices                          [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
      Re: XM vs. Sirius                     [ Chris e Helems <ytjd@[removed]; ]
      XM Radio                              [ Mikeandzachary@[removed] ]
      Rochester and Andy Devine             [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      Re: Re: XM vs. Sirius                 [ Bruce Rosenberger <bmr3d@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:46:16 -0500
    From: Ga6string@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Unique Radio Voices
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    I appreciate this thread. For me, my favorite radio voices are ones that I
    can recognize across a myriad of programs, often in character roles. I'm
    talking
    about the voices of such actors as Gerald Mohr, Harry Bartell, Paul Frees,
    William Conrad, etc. However, great voices weren't unique to radio: Listen to
    many of the film stars of the [removed] Bogart, Cagney, Edward G.
    Robinson,
    Jimmy [removed] like a great jazz musician, you could hear these actors
    offer one line and you recognized them and could enjoy the distinctive styles
    that
    each would offer. Great fun. I've theorized that actors of that day had to
    come up through theater, which forced them to develop unique voices and
    delivery
    styles. Who knows? There are many distinctive voices in film and television
    today. Jack Nicholson is one: "J-a-a-a-c-k." I also noticed on the CBS series,
    "CSI: New York" that lead actor Gary Sinise has a voice that would have been
    great for radio. Many of today's actors have the opportunity, particularly as
    they get older, to do voice-over/narration work for documentaries or
    commercials, and of course, animated features. Examples: Patrick Stewart,
    Donald
    Sutherland, Paul Winfield, Lauren Bacall (who spans both eras, of course).
    Who are
    other great VOICES at work in TV/film today?
    Thx,
    Bryan Powell

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:46:24 -0500
    From: "Rodney W Bowcock" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  serialized Mr & Mrs North

    I'm wondering just how many chapters each storyline in the serialized Mr &
    Mrs North ran.  I recently picked up a storyline called Nightwalk, but the
    five chapters that I have don't seem to complete the story.  I listened to
    it while exercising, so I may have missed a crucial line or something, but
    I rewound the fifth chapter, and don't think I did.  I do know that we were
    invited to tune in on Monday for the next chapter of Nightwalk, but I
    honestly wonder how it could've gone on for another week.

    Do any more of these exist?  It's not nearly up to the standard of the five
    part Johnny Dollar episodes from a year or so later, but it's still
    entertaining enough.

    Rodney Bowcock

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:46:51 -0500
    From: "Jerry Bechtel" <jerrybechtel@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Sirius and XM
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    Thanks for the post relative to OTR on the "commercial free" airwaves. I
    was contemplating subscribing to this radio service but have now changed
    my mind. I usually record in MP3 format and play the disk in my 4 year
    old MP3 player. It's a little cumbersome but works ok and the disk holds
    tons of shows. Anyone know much about the new storage and play system
    IPOD. What is it and how does work? Storage, format, transfer,
    listening, etc. At age 68 I just can't quite keep up with all the new
    technology. Oh for the good, old days of just sitting back and turning
    on the radio, period!

    Jerry Bechtel

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:47:46 -0500
    From: "Kirby, Tom" <Kirby@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: OTR on XM and Sirius

>       ...and said, "...a serious collector wouldn't give this channel more than
>     five-minutes worth of [removed]"

    While I do listen to it often, I have to agree.

    For instance: I was listening to an episode on XM of "Fibber McGee &
    Molly"
    that was done when Jim Jordan was suffering with a bout of pneumonia and

    Gildersleeve had to fill in. The plot was that Gildersleeve was passing
    through town and dropped in, only to find that Fibber and Molly had
    taken off in a hurry.

    Then, when I was on vacation, I listened to the same episode on CD and
    found that there were gags and characters dropping in that were edited
    out of the XM version.

    It kind of makes me mad that I pay for satellite radio, and then have
    Radio Spirits chop the programs up so they can keep it at 1/2 hour and
    still have their commercials. Why not just make the programs longer,
    keep them intact, and still put in the commercials? Why the magic 1/2
    hour? Just so the schedule can format nicely on the printer?

    -- Tom Kirby

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:48:22 -0500
    From: "Rodney W Bowcock" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: XM vs. Sirius

>     "...a serious collector wouldn't give this channel more than
>     five-minutes worth of [removed]"

    I disagree.  Yes, some of the shows are edited (not all), and if you're
    looking to replace your OTR collection with this channel that would be
    ill-advised.  I cannot recommend these shows if you're planning to make
    copies of them for your collection, but for simply listening, it's a nice
    channel.  It isn't perfect, but really, it is a channel with 24 hours a day
    of old-time radio, and that's amazing in itself.  We will often listen to
    the channel on long car trips if I didn't think to bring any of the shows
    from my collection along with us, and have often been pleasantly surprised
    with the programming.  The channel alone is not worth $10 a month.  However
    when you add in the excellent music and talk channels that XM offers (this
    is the only system I have, so I can't speak of others), it's a fine
    package, and I'd recommend it to anyone.  Traditional radio is a waste-land
    of payola and narrow formats today.  Sattelite radio, however, offers
    something for everyone, even classic radio fans.

    Bottom line:  I don't find the quality of XM Radio Classics to be any worse
    than any other airings of OTR on radio today (aside from Chuck Schadden's
    amazing 'Those Were the Days'), and the 150+ channels that they offer make
    it well worth $10 a month.

    Rodney Bowcock

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:20:12 -0500
    From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Unique OTR Comedy Voices

           I'm surprised that no one has mentioned
    Portland Hoffa ("The Fred Allen Show") and Gracie
    Allen ("The Burns and Allen Show") as unique
    comedic voices from OTR.  They were the first two
    which came to my mind, although the others were
    very good examples as well.

           Does anyone have any other suggestions?

    Another OTR Fan,

    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:02:44 -0500
    From: BryanH362@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Yesterday USA at Sperdvac

    [removed]

    Friday  11-12-04   7:30pm PST.

    A.  via tape Frank Bresee  airs an interview with Jim Jordan who would have
    been 108
    this  month.

    Saturday 11-13-04

    There will be two live broadcasts   from the SPERDVAC convention.

    A.  first live broadcast with Frank  Bresee and Walden Hughes will be from 11
    AM to 1 PM West Coast  time.

    B.  second live broadcast will be from 5-30 PM to 6-30 PM west  coast time.

    C. The regular Saturday Evening show will not be heard this  week.

    Sunday 11-14-04

    A. Still uncertain  if there will be a  regular  live show on Sunday at 7-30
    PM west coast
    time.

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 15:05:09 -0500
    From: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR on Satellite

    I agree with previous posts.  If you're a really big fan of OTR, or a
    purist, OTR programming on sat radio isn't going to be for you.  The
    shows are very hacked up to make room for commercials.  If you're simply
    a casual fan who would like to listen to some shows while traveling than
    it's probably good enough.

    That being said, I think sat radio would be a great gift anyway.
    There's lots of music - unless you're the kind of person who only listen
    to one obscure music (say 18th century Ukrainian folk music or
    something), you'll be able to find something you like.  There's lots of
    sports (NFL on Sirius, MLB and ACC/Pac-10/Big 10 football on XM, NASCAR,
    etc.), as well as talk, comedy, non-OTR radio drama, and a bunch of
    other stuff.  I have XM, and I love it.  Except for Morning Edition/ATC,
    I never listen to broadcast radio anymore.

    -chris holm
    Disclaimer: I am an employee of Delphi, makers of a complete line of
    hardware for XM radio.  So consider this a plug for XM service, and a
    radio by Delphi - like the SkyFi, Roady, Roady II, and the brand new
    portable MyFi.  [removed].

    Apologies to Charlie for the shameless commercialism.

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Where the h*ll were you and your employee discount when I
    bought my Roady2?  ;)  --cfs3]

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:32:39 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  11-13 births/deaths

    November 13th births

    11-13-1903 - Conrad Thibault - Northbridge, MA - d. 8-10-1983
    singer: "Show Boat"; "Packard Hour"; "Manhattan Merry-Go-Round"
    11-13-1913 - Alexander Scourby - Brooklyn, NY - d. 2-23-1985
    actor: Herbert Temple "Young Widder Brown"; Philip Cameron "Against the Storm"
    11-13-1913 - Helen Mack - Rock Island, IL - d. 8-13-1986
    producer, director: "Beulah Show"; "Affairs of Ann Scotland"
    11-13-1917 - Robert Sterling - Newcastle, PA
    actor: Michael Shayne "Michael Shayne"
    11-13-1932 - Richard Mulligan - NYC - d. 9-26-2000
    actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"

    November 13th deaths

    03-03-1924 - Barbara Jean Wong - Los Angeles, CA - d. 11-13-1999
    actress: Judy Barton "Cinnamon Bear"
    04-09-1906 - Antal Dorati - Budapest, Austria-Hungary - d. 11-13-1988
    conductor"; "CBS Symphony Orchestra"
    04-29-1915 - Donald F. Mills - Piqua, OH - d. 11-13-1999
    singer: (The Mills Brothers) "Mills Brothers Quartette"
    05-29-1892 - Mario Chamlee - Los Angeles, CA - d. 11-13-1966
    singer: Tony "Tony and Gus"; "Arco Birthday Party"; "Swift Garden Party"
    06-29-1893 - Alma Kitchell - Superior, WI - d. 11-13-1996
    singer, commentator: "Melody Hour"; "Brief Case/Streamline Journal"
    07-25-1901 - Lila Lee - Union Hill, NJ - d. 11-13-1973
    actress: "Fleischman's Yeast Hour"
    09-15-1908 - Penny Singleton - Phildelphia, PA - d. 11-13-2003
    actress: Blondie Bumstead "Blondie" Penny Williamson "Penny Singleton Show"

    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:33:02 -0500
    From: Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Unique Radio Voices

       How about Jack Kirkwood!

       By the way, does anyone know if that was Jack
    Kirkwood who played the rather villainous character,
    red-bearded "Captain Blaze" on the 1941-42 Libby's
    juices-sponsored Midwest run of Terry and the Pirates?
     (At least in the Jan.'42 Burma Road episodes.)  Sure
    sounds like him and his unique voice!

       -- Phil C.

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:35:40 -0500
    From: William Harker <wharker@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  XM versus Sirius

    To a certain extent I agree with Charlie's comments.  I would not have
    purchased satellite radio if I *only* wanted it for OTR.  The purchase of a
    such a system is, in part, dependent upon the potential listener's tastes
    and needs.

    In my case, I required satellite radio because I live in a very rural,
    mountainous region with three radio stations, all owned by the same
    individual and all with, roughly, the same programming.  Second, I make
    fairly lengthy car drives, averaging from four to ten hours, and wanted
    variety in my radio programming as well as a decrease in the number of
    commercials and "DJ talk."  On these trips, I listen to OTR, the audio book
    channel, Bluesville, Deep Tracks, classical music, comedy channels, and the
    Big-10 football/basketball games.

     From what I understand (strictly hearsay), Sirius has invested a bit more
    in satellites and repeater stations, but this may be incorrect.  If you
    live in a mountainous region, as I do, where the signal can be blocked by
    hills and trees, this can be significant.  Where I live, the loss is
    usually for only a few seconds at a time.

    XM has just over 2 million subscribers; Sirius just over 700,000.  XM is
    slightly cheaper in its monthly subscription and offers a family plan for
    multiple radios.  XM also offers multi-year subscription costs to reduce
    monthly costs.

    Both XM and Sirius are adding new programming, some of it requiring
    significant cost outlays.  Sirius has all NFL games; XM has Big-10, PAC-10,
    and ACC football and basketball games.  Next year, XM will add all major
    league baseball games, including the World Series.  Sirius is adding Howard
    Stern.  Sirius has stated it needs to add 700,000 subscribers (doubling its
    subscriber base) to pay for Stern.  XM also needs to increase *it's*
    subscriber base to pay for new sports (and other) programming.  In my own
    mind, I wonder if both systems will be able to survive in the long run.  As
    an XM subscriber, I have put my money on XM being the one to survive.

    Bill Harker
    wharker@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:36:09 -0500
    From: Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Satellite radio

    At 12:18 PM 11/12/2004, Charlie wrote:

>     OTR, you're better off downloading _complete_ episodes from
>     the Internet or purchasing from the reputable delaers who routinely post
>     here.)

    While not what you are looking for if you are seeking mobility outside the
    home, but I want to put in a plug for streaming Internet otr too. I have
    nothing to do with any of the streaming sites, but there are a plethora
    from which to choose and while the quality is mixed, I listen a lot through
    [removed] for free though their $[removed] for non-advertising premium
    service isn't a bad deal IMO.

    I have a wireless FM transmitter hooked to my PC and listen anywhere in the
    house on my radio any time of the day. Of course, a broadband connection
    helps a lot too, though my wife used to listen constantly to the BBC
    streams on an old 56K modem dialup connection before we went broadband a
    few years ago. A non-dedicated phone line would of course create issues in
    receiving calls.

    All in all, it is worth giving it a try if  you want to wander about your
    house listening to otr without dragging around a portable.

    Jim Widner

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:13:58 -0500
    From: Tom Greenli <tom_greenli@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  XM vs. Sirius

    Evan,

    I just picked up one of the new Skyfi2 XM units and a
    docking kit for my vehicle and the house.  I think
    Charlie pretty much summed it up.  XM is a great
    service but not for the serious OTR fan.  Now don't
    get me wrong it's perfectly fine for an occasional
    show here and there while tearing down the interstate.
     In fact I listened to "My Favorite Husband" while
    sitting in traffic last night. It wasn't too bad.  Sat
    radio might even introduce you to a show you never
    heard of before.  Who knows, your next favorite OTR
    show might be streaming down from the satellite right
    now.  I typically carry my iPod (40Gb.) loaded with
    high quality MP3 encodes.  That way I don't have to
    rely on XM's fragmented shows and stinking
    commercials.  That said, I also like some of the newer
    radio productions on Sonic Theater (XM163).  Shows
    like Imagination Theater, Twilight Zone, LA Theatre
    Works, BBC short stories and others.  While the OTR
    programming is the same on Sirius and XM, only XM
    carries Sonic Theater.

    So, if this person you are buying for would also
    benifit from the music, talk, news etc. that sat radio
    offers then go for it.  But when you consider approx
    $200 in equipment plus $140 per year (Sirius is a
    little more) for a subscription.  The $340 spent in
    the first year alone would buy a lot of HiQ OTR CD's
    if OTR is the only interest.

    I hope this helps,
    Tom

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:16:38 -0500
    From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio Voices

    "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed]; wrote

>     Some of the more unique comedic voices from old time
>     radio would include Harold Peary as the Great Gildersleeve
>     ...was easy to tell it was him when he [removed]
>     and of course Lum N' Abner who both had unique voices.

    However there is the story told by Willard Waterman,
    the actor who took over Harold Peary's Gildersleeve
    role due to a contract dispute between the actor
    and the show.  Their voices were so similar that
    whenever they would appear together during their
    Chicago based radio careers, they both would agree
    that
    one would go 'low' while the other went 'high.'

    Chet Lauck and Norris Goff , Lum and Abner, were
    considered imitators of the Amos and Andy style where
    the two performed the voices of all the characters
    of their show save for when it went to thirty minutes
    and feature guest performers and music.

    [removed]

    --
    conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
    Encino, CA
    Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms

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    Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:50:21 -0500
    From: Chris e Helems <ytjd@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: XM vs. Sirius

    Sirius in the past simply replayed the WRW Broadcast with all their
    commercials. Now they have changed their format and play a new story at
    the top of the hour and the bottom of the hour. XM seems to have a
    similar format. The shows are the same and as Charlie has stated
    "hacked-up" sums them both up quite nicely. I own both systems and use
    them both (I drive 800 miles every other day) but rarely listen to the
    OTR on either. The Sonic Theater on XM has NTR on it and I have listened
    to it quite a bit. This channel has mostly CBC rebroadcast of "Peggy
    Delany and Midnight Cab" type programs. There are many rebroadcast of
    Imagination Theater as well. To sum it all up if you want to buy this for
    "Audio Drama" go with the XM.

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    Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:43:39 -0500
    From: Mikeandzachary@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  XM Radio
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    As a fellow XM subscriber, I have to agree with Charlie Summers that neither
    XM nor Sirius is too good for OTR. XM's Sonic Theater does have some good
    stuff sometimes. I researched both satellite services before choosing XM.
    Finally,
    XM has acheaper monthly subscription rate -- $[removed] vs. $[removed] Also, if
    you're a baseball fan, XM is going to be airing A LOT of baseball games
    starting
    with spring training in '05.

    Mike

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    Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 08:44:21 -0500
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Rochester and Andy Devine

>     Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 13:08:31 -0500
>     From: Michael Shoshani <mshoshani@[removed];

>     I actually recall hearing a Jack Benny show wherein Rochester chatted for
>     several minutes with Andy Devine.  Benny's comment was "Those two voices
>     drove Gravel Gertie into hiding!".

    There was a TV show in which Andy Devine actually substituted for Rochester.   It was a
    "Shower of Stars" special in February 1958, in which Jack Benny, at long last, turned 40.

    Early in the show, Jack mentioned that Rochester was sick and couldn't be on the show, but
    they had a replacement.  Then, from off-camera, came what sounded like Rochester's voice,
    saying, "Mr. Benny!"  And it was Andy Devine, and Jack mentioned that the voice was the
    same.  For the rest of the show, Andy Devine played Jack's butler, Andy, sounding just like
    Rochester throughout.

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 09:19:03 -0500
    From: Bruce Rosenberger <bmr3d@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Re: XM vs. Sirius

> >      Any thoughts out there on which of the two systems has better OTR?

>        They both have exactly the same [removed] systems have channels named
>     RadioClassics programmed by MediaBay (Radio Spirits), which contains edited
>     (hacked-up) OTR to make room for the stream of contemporary [removed]

    Wow! Thanks for this info Charlie. I'm probably going to be buying a
    Sirius reciever next year about this time ;-) but have contemplated
    buying it sooner since friends have told me about the "several" channels
    of OTR available. They are trying to be helpful I'm sure, and probably
    don't realize the points you've explained, but my PA Dutch blood (we're
    known to be, ah, thrifty) won't allow it until its necessary!
    In the meantime I'll entertain myself on my long commute out of central
    Jersey, with Audio Books and OTR on my iPod.

    Thanks again,

    Bruce R
    [removed]
    [removed]
    [removed]

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