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Date: 12/15/2005 4:21 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2005 : Issue 385
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Ways to spend holidays with seniors   [ seandd@[removed] ]
  CBS Radio Redux                       [ Art Chimes <[removed]@[removed] ]
  a radio phoenix rises?                [ "Jim Koski" <jim@[removed]; ]
  Here's listening to YOU, [removed]       [ Wich2@[removed] ]
  Poor [removed]                           [ Wich2@[removed] ]
  Where the elite meet to [removed]      [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
  The future of radio and recording st  [ "david rogers" <david_rogers@hotmai ]
  Mike Wallace: narrator                [ "JAMES NIXON" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
  Broadcast recreation of "A Christmas  [ "Texas Radio Theatre Company" <info ]
  PrintThrough                          [ ilamfan@[removed] (S Jansen) ]
  Does anyone have Meet Corliss Archer  [ "Sara and Malcolm Long" <smlong@mee ]
  Re: Radio 7                           [ Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed]; ]
  Re: Mike Wallace                      [ "Mark Lambert" <marklambert@[removed] ]
  Those Mad Masters - Mad Masters       [ Andrew Steinberg <otrdig1@[removed] ]
  Amos and Andy - Rehearsing For Trial  [ Andrew Steinberg <otrdig1@[removed] ]
  Jack Armstrong                        [ Jay Sweet <sweetedit@[removed]; ]
  A Christmas Story                     [ "Jim Harmon" <jimharmonotr@charter. ]
  The Quilted Bear and Update           [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
  RE: Scotching An Urban Legend         [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
  "A Christmas Story"                   [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:32:05 -0500
From: seandd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Ways to spend holidays with seniors

This newspaper flagged "checking old time radio tapes out of the library" as
a way to share time with senior citizens on the holidays.

I don't know if I find that encouraging or discouraging.

Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 17:32:26 -0500
From: Art Chimes <[removed]@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  CBS Radio Redux

"CBS Corp., which is separating from parent company Viacom Inc., on Wednesday
unveiled plans to re-brand its Infinity Broadcasting radio division under the
CBS name.  CBS said the division will be re-named CBS Radio." -- AP
([removed])

Not affiliated with the Columbia Broadcasting System or any other institution.

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:53:55 -0500
From: "Jim Koski" <jim@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  a radio phoenix rises?

>From today's "Inside Radio"...

<<Infinity's new name is an old one - "CBS Radio."

The new division name carries a new sub-head - "CBS Radio: Broadcast. . .HD.
.Streaming. . .On-Demand." Les Moonves and Joel Hollander take the
opportunity of Viacom splitting up to re-claim the brand name that Bill Paley
started using in the late 1920s>>

Now all they need to do is to start calling the Columbia Broadcasting System,
and we'd be all set!

Jim K.

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:54:25 -0500
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Here's listening to YOU, [removed]

From: "Don and Kathy Dean"  dxk@[removed]

In one of my mp3's recently I ran across an episode  of The
Humphrey Bogart Theatre ... Does anyone have any information
on  this program?

Dear Don-

Hazarding a guess,  [removed]

Might that have been an alternate title for his BOLD VENTURE?  That kind of
thing was often done back then.

Merry merry,
-Craig

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:55:19 -0500
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Poor [removed]

From: "kclarke5@[removed]" kclarke5@[removed]

As far as the  difference between the table reading and the actual
performance, the table  reading was probably meant to see how
the timing of the skit would be and  to make sure that all actors
involved were aware of the cues they had to  adhere to.

Dear Kenneth-

Vets like Hal can chime in  [removed]

But having been directed by Vets, and worked beside Vets, as well  as
producing & acting in new shows, I would posit that - if Ms. West DID the
rehearsals
- she probably did them in the vein she planned on doing the  performance.
Timing isn't the only goal.

Shaping the material is, too; so table reads aren't totally  sterile.

Merry merry,
-Craig

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:55:45 -0500
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Where the elite meet to [removed]
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NY Post gossip/society columnist Cindy Adams actually used the  "Duffy's
Tavern" opening line "where the elite meet t' eat"  at the conclusion of her
column yesterday (13th). I'd like to think that one of my comedic idols Ed
"Archie" Gardner originated this bon mot, but now I have a sneaking suspicion
that it might've been around  beforehand and that Gardner appropriated it as a
point of irony as he described the trappings of his lower Third Avenue
drinking establishment.

Can somebody shed some light thereupon?

Yours appreciatively in the ether. Hey, I got throuh a whole posting without
using a British spelling!

Derek Tague

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:56:31 -0500
From: "david rogers" <david_rogers@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The future of radio and recording streaming

I am sure that there are people on this list that know more about technical
issues than me.  However, I just want to clarify something about radio shows
on the Net.  There is a difference between a Listen Again Archive and Radio
Streams.  As I understand it, a radio stream is like a "live" broadcast, in
that your computer recieves the stream almost in real time.  Therefore, if
you want to record it you need either to set your recorder or use software
to rip live streams (Ripcast etc).  With a Listen Again archive you can
actually download the shows to your computer to listen to, encode or edit as
you wish.

Therefore, shows on Shoutcast and Live 365 are streams, whilst the BBC 7
listen again page is a Listen again Archive.

I use Project URL Snooper to get the URL of a show and then download it
using Streambox VCR.  However, you may want to check out this site, which
lists the URLs for all BBC shows:

[removed]

Someone posted about [removed] the other day.  I think these shows are
streaming Real Media files.  I think if you want to get copies of these you
may have to set your recorder as I do not know of a Real Media Streaming
Ripper.

Sorry if this is a bit technical, but I sometimes feel just the same as that
kid trying to find the best position to place my microphone.  Sometimes it
is trial and error to find what is best.

Love as always, David Rogers

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:34:39 -0500
From: "JAMES NIXON" <ranger6000@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Mike Wallace: narrator

Dixon Hayes wonders if there are any authentic examples of Mike Wallace
narrating The Lone Ranger.  Yes, there is one episode on which Mike can be
heard as narrator.  It is No. 451, air date Dec. 16, 1940, titled "The
Deputy Faces Trouble."

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:35:06 -0500
From: "Texas Radio Theatre Company" <info@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Broadcast recreation of "A Christmas Carol"
 in Dallas

"A Christmas Carol" - Broadcast on KLUV

It's based on the 1939 Campbell Playhouse version with Orson Welles and
Lionel Barrymore.

On Monday night 12/12/05, the Texas Radio Theatre visited the studios of
KLUV-FM  [removed] in Dallas, and recorded Jody Dean , Kathy
Jones , Mitch Carr and many other folks at the station as they voiced the
characters for their own version of A Christmas Carol.

KLUV ([removed]) plans to broadcast this new audio play on Christmas weekend.

Visit our weblog  [removed] or our website
[removed]  for broadcast details.  The play will be
broadcast on December 23rd and December 25th., as soon as we know the exact
times, we'll post them online.

A bit of trivia.  I believe that the original version of this play was
broadcast on the CBS, and KLUV is part of the modern Infinity/CBS group in
Dallas.

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 19:36:22 -0500
From: ilamfan@[removed] (S Jansen)
To: [removed]@[removed] (OTR Bulletin Board)
Subject:  PrintThrough

Jim Widner asked:

Is there anyway to clean up the sound coming from an old reel tape that
is experiencing the "print through" effect?  That is, can this somehow
be removed or minimized to the point of near extinction?

     Not an easy trick - if the print-through is the same featured show, one
could try matching the delay/echo and reversing the polarity of the new echo
(thereby cancelling out both the original and new echos)...the echo timing
would change as the reel of tape plays, so this would need to be done in many
pieces.
     On the other hand, if the print-through is a different show, it's not
even print-through, it's crosstalk: another program heard because of it's
physical close proximity to the original on the tape - the tape heads can
pick up adjacent programs on the tape, according to their (mis)alignment,
etc.  This one would be even tougher to get rid [removed] the best you
could hope for would be to make it less apparent - the best way would be to
use a noise gate, a device/program that makes the quiet parts of audio even
quieter.  It would have to be set to the low volume of the crosstalk, then
made to go quieter at those points.  There is a fine line between just enough
and too much - "just enough" should reduce the background noise to a less
intrusive level, "too much" will reduce the background noise to silence, and
the program material will "breathe": it will be obvious and bothersome.
     These are functions in most computer audio editors, so shouldn't be too
expensive, it all depends on how much time you are willing to invest.
     If it's a rare program, it sure might be worth letting the First
Generation Radio Archives use their CEDAR system.  I'm not sure of the
prices, but from what I hear, they're awfully reasonable.
     Any other questions, feel free to contact me, I love to talk audio and
OTR.

Stephen Jansen (ilamfan@[removed])

--
Old Time Radio never dies - it just changes formats!

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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 21:24:38 -0500
From: "Sara and Malcolm Long" <smlong@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Does anyone have Meet Corliss Archer on tape
 or CD?
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I am trying to find the radio show "Meet Corliss Archer."  I can only find the
tv and movies but not radio broadcasts. Does anyone know where these are
available to buy or to trade?  Ditto for "Topper." I want the radio version of
the show. Thanks. SARA

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:03:27 -0500
From: Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Radio 7

Jim Gordon asks:
 > am I right in thinking the BBC are running some kind of programme in
the background of the Radio 7 'Listen
 > Again' streams to discourage and disrupt recordings of these streams?
I would like to know if other Digest
 >  readers have experienced similar problems.

My wife is an almost fanatical listener to BBC Radio 7 and records them
regularly. We often listen back to them and they are fine. We use Total
Recorder and save them at about 192 kbits. If you are saving them at a
lower bitrate, then it is entirely possible you'll get bad quality
recordings.

So I don't buy the sabotaging of the streams theory.

Jim Widner

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 00:03:54 -0500
From: "Mark Lambert" <marklambert@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Mike Wallace

Dixon asked:

I've also heard that Wallace did some announcing chores on "The Lone
Ranger"
and "The Green Hornet."  Do any of those exist or did he even do that?<<

Somewhere in my collection of Green Hornet episodes, I have heard Mike
Wallace (self-identified as "Myron Wallace") as the announcer at the end of
the program.  In fact, I was talking once (about five years ago) to a
retired bank president that I know here in Iowa about a story we had both
seen on "60 Minutes" and he referenced chatting with Mike Wallace, in
response to which I asked, "Gosh, do you know Mike Wallace?" and he said,
"Well, yes, he's married to my sister!"   In that conversation, I distinctly
remember that I mentioned to this gentleman that I collected OTR, and that I
had just heard a Green Hornet episode with Wallace as the announcer.   He
got quite the kick out of that.  So, I am quite, quite, sure I have listened
to such an episode!

Mark

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:58:18 -0500
From: Andrew Steinberg <otrdig1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Those Mad Masters - Mad Masters
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The show that Irene Heinstein refers to "Mad Masters" must be a different show. She lists the premiere as 7/12/47 - 8:30  Premiere - program listed as 30 minutes w/Tony Freeman Orchestra, Paul Waltie, Tenor
   
  Those Mad Masters was a situation comedy originating on the West Coast.
   
  Mad Masters appears to be some type of musical program.

Visit [removed] for OTR program title and date corrections

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 07:58:30 -0500
From: Andrew Steinberg <otrdig1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Amos and Andy - Rehearsing For Trial
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  I have 2 versions of the July 2, 1929 episode Rehearsing For Trial (aka
Getting Ready for Court). The first (which is misdated) has about one minute
of theme at the beginning, then the announcer says "Here we are". It
  ends with one minute of theme, then "This is Bill Hayes bidding you all
good [removed](?) to you all."

  The second version has no theme music.

  Is this theme music and Bill Hayes speaking authentic or added on by some
collector?

Visit [removed] for OTR program title and date corrections

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 11:12:58 -0500
From: Jay Sweet <sweetedit@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Jack Armstrong

I hope some of you on the list can help. A friend of mine is looking for some
copies of Jack Armstrong for her grandfather, as it was his favorite show as
a boy. Does anybody have any recommendations of dealers that sell good
quality copies? I'm not a big Jack Armstrong fan myself, so I wasn't sure
where to send her.

Please contact me off-list with any advice.

Thanks
Jay Sweet
sweetedit@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:42:33 -0500
From: "Jim Harmon" <jimharmonotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  A Christmas Story
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Steve Kallis wrote of "A Christmas Story" and its apocryphal Ovaltine code
"ring".
I have another beef with that film and I presume the original book by Jean
Shepherd, although I have never read it.
    There is a scene in which someone proposes a hard-to-answer question about
radio.   The question is: "What is the name of the Lone Ranger's nephew's
horse?"
    I first made up that question, and the line was stolen from me.
    I first used it on a 1967 interview with well-known New York radio
personality, Long John Nebel.  He wanted to ask some questions of his radio
audience.  He asked me for some tough question.  I said some questions were
too obscure for anyone at home to answer, but a tough one that some people
could answer would be the one about the horse from the Lone Ranger program,
which I made up on the spot.   After that, I used it in some of my writings.
    Shepherd or no one else ever asked my permission to use the line, or
offered me a token fifty bucks, or included me in a "thank you" list at the
end of the picture. I feel I was ripped off.
    Yes, I have used lines from other writers.  But my own practice is to use
that writer's name in the body of the story or article, not just in some
obscure footnote.
    As a matter of fact, the above mentioned Steve Kallis received such
acknowledgement from me in our forthcoming "It's That Time Again -- New
Stories of Old Time Radio -- Volume 3", edited by me, Jim Harmon, and
containing stories by Steve Kallis Jr., Martin Grams Jr., Ted Kneebone,
Jon D. Swartz, Richard Lupoff, Barbara Gratz, Dawn Kovner, T. Wayne Clay,
myself and others, to be published by BearManor in February 2006.
    JIM HARMON

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:43:32 -0500
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  The Quilted Bear and Update

John Mayer was very kind in his message yesterday and doesn't do himself
enough justice. His collaboration with Barbara Webster on "The Cinnamon
Bear Quilt" gives a unique, authentic  perspective from 1937 radio.  The
quilt looks exactly like it would look if it were displayed in 1937, with
John's central  picture radiating our childhood images of Cinnamon Bear
just  as they would appear back then. The "look  and feel" of the past is
reflected in the quilt.

Also, I previously mentioned in these pages that the cruise ship, The
Portland Spirit, is conducting Cinnamon Bear Cruises on the Willamette
River through Christmas Eve.  More than 3,000 tickets have been sold for
this two hour cruise.  The original radio broadcasts, sponsored by the
cruise line, are heard  each evening at 7:00 [removed] on K103FM.  The shows are
winning new fans each day and we hope the CB cruise becomes a permanent
Christmas event.

Dennis Crow

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:47:53 -0500
From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  RE: Scotching An Urban Legend

 Not to brag . . . , but I just scored a genuine Daisy Official Red Ryder
lever-action air rifle (or, as Daisy now describes it, 'bb gun'). It no
longer has the little D-ring with the leather thong attached, but Red did
carefully carve his name into the stock

Thanx,

 B. Ray

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Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:36:12 -0500
From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "A Christmas Story"
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       I must have another Christmas story in mind.  The one I remember
had a little boy asking Santa for a Red Ryder BB Gun.  Obviously, it
was a different story.

       I have a couple of Christmas related stories on tape ("Miracle On
34th Street" and "It's A Wonderful Life")  but for some reason or another
each one seems different fom the version I see in the movies.  Example:
in the movie "It's A Wonderful Life", George Bailey's little girl Zusu brings
home a flower whose petals fall off and he hides them in his pocket.  In the
radio version, however, the petals aren't mentioned, but are replaced by a
bell
she got from school.  Why was this change made?  Was it because radio
was not a visual medium and  the sound of a bell would be easier to explain
than the sight of a few rose petals?  Was the original  version on radio and
the changes were made for the movie?

Another OTR Fan,

Kenneth Clarke

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