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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2001 : Issue 317
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Re: Finders Keepers [ "Jan Willis" <jlwillis@[removed]; ]
Re: Uneducated 40's listener [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]
Joy Terry - Chandu the Magician [ Ben Ohmart <bloodbleeds@[removed]; ]
Monkeyfishing on the OTR Digest [ Kubelski@[removed] ]
Re: Courses re OTR-a request [ Michael Henry <mlhenry@[removed]; ]
Gunsmoke Origin Show [ Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed]; ]
Re: Education and the OTR Generation [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
Origin shows [ Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed]; ]
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:04:21 -0400
From: "Jan Willis" <jlwillis@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Finders Keepers
From: "Greg Przywara" <orsonwelles3@[removed];
Subject: Finders Keepers
Finders Keepers, purveyor of rare OTR movies has a website located at
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Greg, I bet they changed their link since you last went there.
If these are the same people, they're now at:
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Nice site - first time I've encountered it. Thanks!
Jan Willis
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 12:04:51 -0400
From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Uneducated 40's listener
Way to go George. Give 'em hell. My father passed away in December of 1999,
and when he passed away he had degrees in finance, carpentry, mechanical
engineering and many other subjects. He of course did not have these degrees
literally, but through the proverbial school of hard knocks. He learned it
the hard way. When I listen to our young people talk today it sends shivers
up my spine. for instance "I seen" instead of "I saw" and others to numerous
to mention. It may be true my Father only went to school formally to the
eighth grade, but he was far smarter than a lot of folks with masters degrees
and I would give any thing to have just part of his education when he died.
Charlie Northway
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:11:32 -0400
From: Ben Ohmart <bloodbleeds@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Joy Terry - Chandu the Magician
Are there any Chandu the Magician fans here? Could you
tell me if there was an actress named Joy Terry - or
just Joy - on that series? If so, can you name any
other series she was on? Joy was Paul Frees' 2nd wife,
and I'd like to learn more about her radio career.
Thanks.
Check out Fibber McGee's Scrapbook, a new otr book!
[removed]
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:20:55 -0400
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Monkeyfishing on the OTR Digest
The test from 1895 is not for students, it's for teachers. The exam was to
qualify as a teacher. Now I grant you, most of our teachers today couldn't
pass this thing either, but it isn't a representation of what 8th grade
students knew in 1895.
This is another one of those Internet hoaxes that ignorant people propagate.
When you get a forward you want to pass on, check [removed] first. It's
a private site that debunks rumors and this test is one of them.
This sort of thing has recently been nicknamed "Monkeyfishing" because of an
article purportedly about hunting diseased monkeys off the Florida Keys that
was bought wholesale by Michael Kinsley and Slate before being exposed by a
reporter for the Wall Street Journal's web site. Kinsley bravely stood by
his "reporter" for days until The New York Times media reporter weighed in
with a definitive article on the story's falsehood. A few days ago, when the
Wall Street Journal's site itself fell for a hoax by a man who tried to claim
his non-existent wife and daughter were in the Trade Center when it was
destroyed, it used "monkeyfishing" in its correction.
Sean Dougherty
Kubelski@[removed]
(who didn't need to check with snopes to be able to tell the whole
Nostradamus thing was [removed])
[ADMINISTRIVIA: The link is:
[removed]
--cfs3]
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:21:05 -0400
From: Michael Henry <mlhenry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Courses re OTR-a request
The Broadcast Education Association publishes a directory
of members who teach broadcasting. You can find an on-line
version at: [removed]
It is arranged alphabetically and each entry lists the
name, contact information, background, and research
interests of each member.
Good luck with your search.
-Mike Henry
Library of American Broadcasting
and
Metropolitan Washington Old Time Radio Club
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:21:16 -0400
From: Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Gunsmoke Origin Show
In response to a posting about "origin" shows (and specifically Gunsmoke) I
do not have an answer, but there are 2 recent sources that might help. One
is "Gunsmoke," by SuzAnne and Gabor Barabas, McFarland & Co., Inc. (in North
Carolina, Tel. 336-246-4460). This is an 848 page work that promises to be
a definitive work. Another book by the same publisher is "An Autobiography:
James Arness," which just became available. This looks to be an interesting
work by TV's Matt Dillon himself. I'm in the process of reading it and
enjoying it very much. Among much information there are lots of comments
from cast members and many "stars," such as Betty Davis, John Wayne, Morgan
Woodward, and many more. By the way, Yesterday USA will interview James
Arness on Sunday evening, October 7, 2001, at about 8:00 [removed] Eastern at
[removed]. Jim will talk about his book and his career.
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:22:14 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Education and the OTR Generation
George Wagner submits,
Grandfather was TYPICAL of his generation, NOT an
exception. He was NEVER a highly literate man in the
academic sense. But until the end of his life he read
two or three newspapers a day and subscribed to LIFE,
LOOK, THE SATURDAY EVENING POST, COLLIER'S, LIBERTY,
POPULAR SCIENCE, POPULAR MECHANICS, MECHANIX
ILLUSTRATED, SCIENCE AND MECHANICS and NATIONAL
GEOGRAPHIC.
I suspect your grandfather attended a much more demanding school than the
one mine did -- he attended a crude one-room rural school from 1910-1918,
and received at best a very rudimentary education. He was able to read,
able to write, and could add figures and count money -- but that was
about it. From the other members of his family who I knew, he seemed to
be fairly typical of that generation, at least up here - because that was
all they *needed* to do. In this era, in small New England towns, it was
expected that a young man would get enough education to get a job on the
docks, or in a fish cannery, or in a shoe factory, or running booze down
from Canada, and there was no point in a lot of schooling unless you
were the type to "put on airs." Science, history, Shakespeare, Dickens,
and Bunyan were not priorites. My grandmother had more education -- she
graduated from a small-city high school in 1929, and attended nursing
school before the Depression forced her to drop out -- but neither of
them could be classed as the least bit interested in literary or cultural
matters. They read the daily newspaper, and subscribed to "Look" and
"Super Service Station" (a gas-station trade magazine which is one of the
first things *I* remember reading) -- but that was it, other than an
ancient collection of eye-popping "don't open 'em men, 'til you get 'em
home" publications I was amazed to find hidden in Grandpa's desk after he
[removed]
My mother and uncle, children of the 1930s and 1940s, grew up pretty much
the same way -- they both received a much more complete schooling than
their parents, but their literary activities were limited to the
occasional "Hardy Boys/Nancy Drew" novel, and comic magazines. My mother
is 63 years old, and to my knowledge has never read a "grown-up" novel,
seen a live play (other than a school production), or listened to a
symphony in her life. She couldn't diagram a sentence if her life
depended on it. For that matter, neither could I -- and I write for a
living!
So, I guess in the end it's safe to say that then as now, what you get
out of education depends as much on the culture you come from than it
does the amount or quality of schooling you had.
He was also a dedicated radio listener.
Now there's where we agree. When I interviewed my grandparents in the
late 1970s for their memories of radio, their most vivid recollection was
of listening to FDR's first Fireside Chat in 1933, but most everything
else mushed together in their memories -- they weren't people much
interested in remembering the past, since it had been such an unpleasant
time for them. But they *had* listened. However, when TV became available
here in the mid-fifties, they turned their backs on radio without a
second thought. My most enduring memory of my grandfather's later years
is of him puffing contendly on his pipe and enjoying his all-time
favorite TV [removed]
"Three's Company."
Maybe he should have stayed in school a little [removed]
Elizabeth
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Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2001 15:29:44 -0400
From: Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Origin shows
Tom Heathwood asks,
Which, if any, show of the HAVE GUN WILL TRAVEL series might be
considered the origin show? A similar question exists for GUNSMOKE
and SGT. PRESTON.
Some people have suggested that the "origins" of these other shows were
not publisized like the origin story of the [removed]
I think that of the shows you mention, only THE LONE RANGER demands an
origin show. Why the mask? Why the Indian? Why the silver bullets?
But Paladin was simply a gentleman gun for hire, Matt Dillon a marshal,
and Sgt. Preston a mountie. No mystery to any of these, so no "origin"
show necessary to explain their eccentricities.
---Dan
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