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Date: 5/31/2005 6:28 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2005 : Issue 168
                             A Part of the [removed]!
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                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re:Eddie Albert on Radio              [ Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed]; ]
      Eddie Albert                          [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
      5-30 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Here's what's up, Doc?                [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      Eddie Albert                          [ "Mike Martini" <mmartini@[removed] ]
      Studs Terkel and Milt Rosenberg       [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
      New Dragnet Release?                  [ "Randall F. Miller Jr." <rfmillerjr ]
      This week in radio history 29 May to  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Harry Von Zell and the Columbia Shor  [ "Michael Paraniuk" <bourdase@webtv. ]
      Offensive Material In OTR             [ ilamfan@[removed] ]
      5-31 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Graham Kennedy                        [ "Austotr" <austotr@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:41:35 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:Eddie Albert on Radio

    Jim Hilliker asks:

>     Anybody know for sure the date/year this program was on the air?  It was
>     interesting to learn of this and his other TV experiences.  I also learned
>     that before "Green Acres", Eddie Albert turned down "My Three Sons" and "Mr.
>     Ed" while concentrating on his movie career.

    While Mike Martini could probably better elaborate, I am quoting this
    from the CD set on WLW radio produced by Mike and Mark Magistrelli:

    "Eddie Albert came to WLW in 1930 as part of a vocal group called 'The
    Threesome,' with Herb Nelson and Grace Brandt, Albert's first wife.
    Unfortunately, the Threesome's limited repertoire (they seemed to have a
    problem coming up with new arrangements and songs) became an inside joke
    at the station. Luckily, for all concerned, the members of the trio were
    also enlisted in several non-singing capacities. Years later, Eddie
    credited WLW with starting him on his acting career. By 1935, Eddie and
    Grace had moved to New York, and were featured on NBC as 'The
    Honeymooners (no relation to Jackie Gleason's classic television
    creation of the 1950s)."  - from "Cincinnati Radio: The Nation's Station
    (1921-1941).

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    Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:42:15 -0400
    From: <otrbuff@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Eddie Albert

    Jim Hilliker asks:

>     Albert eventually teamed with a
>     singer named Grace Bradt and they spent a year as the singing stars of "The
>     Honeymooners," an NBC morning radio show."

>     Anybody know for sure the date/year this program was on the air?

    "The Honeymooners" narrative series starring Eddie and Grace Albert appeared
    on the Blue network at 11 [removed] five times weekly between Sept. 25, 1934 and
    Oct. 28, 1935 and at the same hour Wednesdays, Thursdays and Fridays from
    July 2, 1936 through July 17, 1936.

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:42:24 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  5-30 births/deaths

    May 30th births

    05-30-1891 - Ben Bernie - Bayonne, NJ - d. 10-20-1943
    bandleader: (The Old Maestro) "Ben Bernie Orchestra"; "Musical Mock Trial"
    05-30-1892 - Raymond Clapper - LaCygne, KS - d. 2-1-1944
    commentator: (Killed During WWII) "News and Commentary for White Owl Cigars"
    05-30-1896 - Russ Brown - Philadelphia, PA - d. 12-25-1993
    singer: "Ben Bernie, The Old Maestre"; "The Joe Penner Show"
    05-30-1896 - Whispering Jack Smith - The Bronx, NY - d. 5-13-1950
    singer: "Whispering Jack Smith"
    05-30-1899 - Ruth Perrott - d. 1-6-1996
    actress: Prudence Rockbottom "Meet Me at Parky's"; Dottie Brainfeeble "Vic
    and Sade"
    05-30-1901 - Cornelia Otis Skinner - Chicago, IL - d. 7-9-1979
    actress: Mary "Johnny Presents"
    05-30-1902 - Stepin Fetchit - Key West, FL - d. 11-19-1985
    comedian: "Hollywood Hotel"
    05-30-1906 - Norris Goff - Cove, AR - d. 6-7-1978
    actor: Abner Peabody "Lum and Abner"
    05-30-1908 - Mel Blanc - San Francisco, CA - d. 7-10-1989
    actor: Professor Pierre La Blanc "Jack Benny Program"; August Moon "Point
    Sublime"
    05-30-1909 - Benny Goodman - Chicago, IL - d. 6-13-1986
    bandleader: (King of Swing) "Camel Caravan"; "Victor Borge Show"
    05-30-1911 - Douglas Fowley - NYC - d. 5-21-1998
    actor: "Hollywood Hotel"
    05-30-1912 - Jerry D. Lewis - d. 8-7-1996
    writer: "This Is Your FBI"
    05-30-1915 - Frank Blair - Yemasse, SC - d. 3-14-1995
    newscaster, announcer: "America Looks Ahead"; "Fulton Lewis, Jr."
    05-30-1917 - Peter Leeds - Bayonne, NJ - d. 11-12-1996
    actor: Eugor "Rogue's Gallery"; "Bob Hope Show"; "Stan Freberg Show"
    05-30-1923 - Jimmy Lydon - Harrington Park, NJ
    actor: Jimmy "Young Love"
    05-30-1936 - Keir Dullea - Cleveland, OH
    actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"

    May 30th deaths

    02-12-1914 - Tex Beneke - Fort Worth, TX - d. 5-30-2000
    tenor sax, singer, band leader: "Glenn Miller and His Orchestra"; "Sunset
    Serenade"
    04-03-1894 - Dooley Wilson - Tyler, TX - d. 5-30-1953
    actor: "Theatre of Romance"; "New World A-Coming"; "Jubilee"
    08-06-1921 - Ella Raines - Snoqualmie, WA - d. 5-30-1988
    actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Red Cross Show"
    11-10-1889 - Claude Rains - London, England - d. 5-30-1967
    actor: "Shakesperian Circle"; "This Is War!"; "Presenting Claude Rains"
    12-05-1906 - William Spier - d. 5-30-1973
    producer, director: "Advs. of Sam Spade"; "Suspense"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 10:43:25 -0400
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Here's what's up, Doc?

    From: JimInks@[removed]

>     ...I used to listen  to Chuck Schaeden's radio broadcasts ...  I have this
>     distinct memory of  Chuck playing what amounted to be a Warner Borthers
>     cartoon  made for radio -  sound effects and all ...  Was it a short series
>     of broadcasts or demos for  a potential series?

    Dear Jim-

    If there WAS such a thing,  I'd love someone to confirm [removed]

    My guess, is that is was one of several  Children's Records that Mel Blanc
    did - (which, if memory serves, Fred  Berney offers?)

    Best,
    -Craig

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    Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:14:08 -0400
    From: "Mike Martini" <mmartini@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Eddie Albert

    Jim Hilliker asked about Eddie Albert's early radio career and perhaps I can
    contribute a little here, having spoken with Mr. Albert a couple of times on
    the matter.  "Grace, Herb and Eddie: The Threesome" came to WLW in Cincinnati
    in 1932 as a vocal trio.  We have a recording of "The Threesome" and, let me
    tell you, Eddie was truly a tenor.   He could really hit the high notes!  In
    addition to the Threesome, Eddie also did solo vocal work at the station,
    including the legendary Moon River program, where he said he worked with Fats
    Waller on occasion. This would've been around 1933.  He lamented in later
    years that he was never allowed to sing in his films although he said he
    later had a song in the film "Oklahoma" that was left on the editing room
    floor.  I guess you could say the intro music to "Green Acres" is the only
    representation of his singing skills still on the screen.  Anyway, WLW was
    one of those stations where performers were expected to attempt different
    tasks around the station (singers trying to act and vice versa) and Eddie was
    no exception.  He eagerly participated in the dramatics department in
    addition to his singing duties.  He credited his time at WLW as the moment in
    his career when he "became" an actor and called it "the greatest university."
    Eddie was quick to lavish praise on his stay in Cincinnati as the point when
    his career path was altered toward acting.  He said he even attempted some
    comedy during this period, but he couldn't name any specific programs on the
    station.  Well, by 1934 Herb Nelson left the station to work as a
    professional gambler and the Threesome was broken up.  Grace Bradt and Eddie
    started working as a duo and, according to Eddie, formed the seeds of "Grace
    and Eddie: The Honeymooners" while at WLW.  They realized they had something
    good and took the idea to New York in 1935 where I think it aired for about a
    year or two--long before the famous Jackie Gleason program of the same name.
    Although IMDB doesn't mention it, I was led to believe in my research!
      that Gr
    ace and Eddie were actually married for a few years until they split in the
    late 1930's and she moved to Italy.  Eddie married his longtime wife Margo in
    the early 1940's.  Some other interesting tidbits:  Eddie had to occasionally
    sign-on the station at 5-am when he announced live farm reports.  He was
    chosen because he had some background in agriculture and said his predecessor
    kept messing up the daily crop futures (like saying 5-cents per bushel versus
    "point"-five cents, etc.)   Even up to a few years ago, if you drove by his
    Moorish-style house in Bel Air, you could see the tassels of corn looming
    above the hedge in his front yard---he really was a champion of farming
    (although I'm sure his neighbors winced a little bit!)  He lived in the same
    house since the 1950's and was proud to point out that he paid it off "many
    years ago."  Secondly, those familiar with WLW in Cincinnati know that they
    still have their 830-foot Blaw-Knox tower.  Eddie claimed to have climbed the
    tower on a dare!  I would've been skeptical, but he told the story on two
    different occasions without prodding and apparently it was not an unheard-of
    feat among the staff at that time.  By all accounts Eddie Albert was
    well-liked by the rest of the WLW staff during his three-year stay there.  He
    accomplished a lot during his rich career and will certainly be missed.

    Mike Martini

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    Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:14:51 -0400
    From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Studs Terkel and Milt Rosenberg
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    Hi Gang -

    Perhaps I should send two postings, one about  Studs Terkel and another about
    Milt Rosenberg (two Chicago Radio Personalities),  but I am posting only once
    to avoid confusion.

    Having been out of town for several weeks, I'm  catching up on old digests.
    In issue 156, Irene Heinstein inquired about  Studs Terkel's past radio work.

    When I talked to him some years ago at a book  signing, Studs said that he
    worked in Chicago Radio during the Soap Opera  days, playing character roles.
    He generally played the "rough guy" or the  villian, although he also played
    other roles.  He did not say specifically  what shows he worked on, and
    whether
    they were syndicated or local.  If I  get to talk to him again, I'll try to
    ask more questions.

    Kurt E. Yount replied in issue 158 that he  believes Studs was on WFMT.
    Indeed he was. Before that, he  worked at WBBM and WENR regularly. I recorded
    his
    daily WFMT program almost  every day during 1972.  I still have the tapes, but
    I have not played any  of them in the past 25 years. Maybe I should put them
    on CDs.

    Studs' program on WFMT was mostly an  interview show during which he
    conducted marvelous interviews, some of which he  later published in his books
    "Division Street, America" and  "Working".

    Occassionally he would read a short  story.  That's where I first heard the
    Ambrose Bierce story "An Occurance  at Owl Creek Bridge", which has been
    dramatized on Suspense and other  programs.  Studs' reading is somehow more
    interesting than the Suspense  version.

    By the way, Studs Terkel's Real name is  Louis.

    - --------  NEW TOPIC   ----------

    Jean Shepherd is the subject of Gene Bergmann's  book, "Excelsior, You
    Fathead".  Bergmann was interviewed on WGN by Milt  Rosenberg on May 17.  I
    was out
    of town and unable to hear or to record the  broadcast.  If anybody recorded
    that Milt Rosenberg program, "Extension  720", please contact me.  Thanks.

    Happy Taping --  Ken Piletic - Streamwood,  Illinois
    _kenpiletic@[removed]_ (mailto:kenpiletic@[removed])

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    Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:54:08 -0400
    From: "Randall F. Miller Jr." <rfmillerjr1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  New Dragnet Release?

    According to my son, who reveiws DVD's there is a new DVD release of the
    1967 season of  Dragnet due out on June 7th.
    For OTR buffs there is a "bonus CD" with one of the radio broadcasts.
    If you would like to read a revew go to:
    [removed]
    The usual disclaimer, although my son did write the review.
    --Randy Miller Jr.
    Senior Engineer WITF-TV/FM/Radio PA

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    Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:54:58 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  This week in radio history 29 May to 4 June

     From Those Were The Days --

    5/29

    1939 - When a Girl Marries was first heard on CBS.

    1943 - The Million Dollar Band was heard for the first time on NBC.
    Charlie Spivak was the first leader of the band that featured Barry Wood
    as vocalist. The unusual feature of the show was the awarding each week
    of five diamond rings.

    5/30

    1922 - "Smilin" Ed McConnell debuted, smiling and playing his banjo.
    McConnell quickly became a legend in the medium.

    1935 - America's Town Meeting was heard for the first time. The NBC
    program continued for 21 years, with a name change to Americas Town
    Meeting of the Air.

    1938 - Joyce Jordan, Girl Intern was first heard interning on CBS. The
    serial later evolved into The Brighter Day (1948).

    5/31

    1943 - A comic strip came to radio, as Archie Andrews was heard on the
    Mutual Broadcasting System for the first time.

    1949 - A crowd of 35,000 people paid tribute to radio personality Mary
    Margaret McBride at Yankee Stadium in the Bronx. McBride was celebrating
    her 15th year in radio.

    6/1

    1936 - The Lux Radio Theater moved from New York City to Hollywood.
    Cecil B. DeMille, the program's host on the NBC Blue network, introduced
    Clark Gable and Marlene Dietrich in The Legionnaire and the Lady.

    6/2

    1937 - The Fabulous Dr. Tweedy was broadcast on NBC for the first time.
    Frank Morgan starred as the absent-minded Dr. Tweedy.

    1937 - CBS presented the first broadcast of Second Husband. The show
    continued on the air until 1946.

    6/3

    1946 - Mutual debuted The Casebook of Gregory Hood, the summer
    replacement for Sherlock Holmes. The mystery series became a regular
    weekly program in the fall of 1946.

    6/4

    1944 - Leonidas Witherall was first broadcast on the Mutual Broadcasting
    System. Witherall was a detective who looked just like William Shakespeare.

       Joe

    --
    Visit my home page: [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 21:55:23 -0400
    From: "Michael Paraniuk" <bourdase@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Harry Von Zell and the Columbia Shorts (not
     underware)

    I recently purchased from ebay 4 Columbia short films featuring the great
    Harry Von Zell. I always loved his acting on the George Burns/Gracie Allen
    show, but I never knew he was a feature for Columbia short films. I was very
    impressed with his versatility and agility as basically a *stooge* in slap
    stick reactive type comedy (ala the Three Stooges). After Curly Jerome
    Howard's death in January of 1952, I think Harry could easily have replaced
    him instead of Moe's brother Shemp. Though I always admired Von Zell as a
    great OTR announcer, I never knew this other side of his talents.
    Furthermore, the Von Zell Columbia shorts featured the regular stock cast of
    actors used for the Three Stooges shorts. It was refreshing and entertaining
    to see such Three Stooges supporting actors such as the immortal Emil Sitka,
    Christine MacIntyre, Vernon Dent, Kenneth MacDonald and others playing
    completely different roles on the Von Zell shorts. I would dare say the Von
    Zell Columbia short films allowed the supporting actors much more acting
    possibilities than The Three Stooges films. It was like looking at the same
    old room from a completely different angle. I am pleasantly amazed that this
    wonderful announcer who goofed up Herbert Hoover's name on national radio
    could goof it up on the big screen as well. God Bless my favorite announcer
    in [removed] Von Zell.

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    Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 03:11:22 -0400
    From: ilamfan@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed] (OTR Bulletin Board)
    Subject:  Offensive Material In OTR
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         I just spent some time doing some audio restoration for the First
    Generation Radio Archives - on some great "Broadway Is My Beat" shows.
         Now, this is the first time that I've listened to this series (hey!
    there has to be a first time, right?), and I was surprised at how graphic the
    violence seemed: there was one show where a woman got beaten nearly to death
    - she was trying to speak to Detective Danny Clover, and the actress did a
    marvelous job of SOUNDING beaten up: swollen lips, lost teeth, wincing in
    [removed] swear that I actually felt the pain that she was in.  I was
    surprised at the realism.
         All of the shows seem to have a harsher-than-usual spin.  I'm assuming
    that it played at a little later hour than the more tepid/average shows?
         So my real question is about - what sort of things did the censors
    and/or listeners find offensive in radio shows?  I know about Arch Oboler
    getting loads of negative mail about his first show in which a girl was
    buried alive, and the Mae West/Charlie McCarthy stuff (BORING in my opinion!
    Through 21st-century eyes, I guess).  And "I Love A Mystery" had it's share
    of concerned parents, of [removed]
         So what would offend listeners?!?  Frankly, things could be suggested,
    and sound effects could be used to get situations across which might not be
    "allowed".  I would really love to hear some other real anecdotes about
    "offensive" materials in OTR.
         How would stations or writers reply to listeners who were outraged at
    what THEIR OWN IMAGINATIONS had seen?  What they THOUGHT they heard?

    Stephen Jansen

    --
    Old Time Radio never dies - it
    just changes formats!

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    Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:19:39 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  5-31 births/deaths

    May 31st births

    05-31-1893 - Albert Mitchell - Elsberry, MO - d. 10-4-1954
    host: "Answer Man"
    05-31-1894 - Fred Allen - Cambridge, MA - d. 3-17-1956
    comedian: "Linit Bath Club"; "Town Hall Tonight"; "Fred Allen Show"
    05-31-1898 - Norman Vincent Peale - Bowersville, OH - d. 12-24-1993
    preacher: "Art of Living"
    05-31-1900 - Hugh Studebaker - Ridgeville, IN - d. 5-6-1978
    actor: Ichabod 'Ichy' Mudd "Captain Midnight"; Silly Watson "Fibber McGee and
    Molly"
    05-31-1901 - Alfredo Antonini - Alessandra, Italy - d. 11-3-1983
    conductor: "La Rosa Concerts"; "Treasure Hour of Song"
    05-31-1901 - Joe Kelly - Crawfordsville, IN - d. 5-26-1959
    emcee, quizmaster: "National Barn Dance"; "Quiz Kids"
    05-31-1903 - Abo Hosiosky - Latvia - d. 2-xx-1976
    NBC news in partnership with Alex Dreier
    05-31-1903 - Blanche Stewart - PA - d. 7-25-1952
    actress: Brenda "Bob Hope Show"
    05-31-1904 - Clifton Utley - Chicago, IL - d. 1-19-1978
    newsman: (Father of Garrick) "University of Chicago Round Table"; "Comments by
    Clifton Utley"
    05-31-1908 - Don Ameche - Kenosha, WI - d. 12-6-1993
    actor, singer: John Bickerson "Bickersons"; Captain Hughes "Jack Armstrong"
    05-31-1918 - Bill Harringron- Indianapolis, IN
    singer, songwriter: "Your Hit Parade"
    05-31-1931 - Barbara Whiting - Los Angeles, CA - d. 6-9-2004
    actress: Judy Graves "Junior Miss"; Mildred "Meet Corliss Archer"
    05-31-1938 - Johnny Paycheck - Greenfield, OH - d. 2-18-2003
    country singer: "Country Sessions"

    May 31st deaths

    02-04-1908 - Manny Klein - NYC - d. 5-31-1994
    trumpet: "The Ipana Troubadors"
    04-01-1920 - Art Lund - Salt Lake City, UT - d. 5-31-1990
    singer, actor: "Benny Goodman and His Orchestra"; "Land's Best Bands";
    "Jubilee"
    04-20-1923 - Tito Puente - NYC - d. 5-31-2000
    percussionist, bandleader: "Manhattan Melodies"
    05-03-1898 - John Roy - d. 5-31-1985
    actor: Roy Calvert "Amanda of Honeymoon Hill"
    06-02-1908 - Ben Grauer - Staten Island, NY - d. 5-31-1977
    announcer, emcee: "Walter Winchell"; "Information, Please"; "Boston Symphony"
    06-24-1895 - Jack Dempsey - Manassa, CO - d. 5-31-1983
    boxing champion: "Ben Bernie Show"; "Kemtone Hour"; "Saturday Night Bandwagon"
    07-29-1900 - Owen Lattimore - Washington, DC - d. 5-31-1989
    consultant: "Pacific Story"
    08-05-1908 - Wilbur Evans - Philadelphia, PA - d. 5-31-1987
    singer:"Vicks Open House"; "Stars from the Blue"
    10-20-1907 - Arlene Francis - Boston, MA - d. 5-31-2001
    panelist, actress: "What's My Line"; Ann Scotland,"The Affairs of Ann Scotland"
    12-30-1899 - Michael Raffetto - Placerville, CA - d. 5-31-1990
    actor: Paul Barbour "One Man's Family"; Jack Packard "I Love A
    Mystery/Adventure"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:20:46 -0400
    From: "Austotr" <austotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Graham Kennedy

    G'Day folks, today Graham Kennedy who passed away last week, was laid to
    rest.

    I knew of Graham Kennedy from his television and movie career and he was
    known as the King of Australian Television.

    Fortunately a question asked on this list a couple of years ago about Nicky
    and Tuppy and Chatterbox Corner, sent me scurrying for my reference books
    and asking questions.  I discovered the background of Nicky and also how
    Graham Kennedy was Nicky's offsider on air until Nicky died in 1956.  Graham
    continued on Radio even when he commenced on Television, via a deal worked
    out between the two stations.  When Graham received his first weekly pay
    cheque after being on both mediums, his Grandmother advised him to give some
    back, it was too much :)

    I will go further into Graham's career in radio on the
    [removed] website in a week or so, but the thing that pleased
    me the most today was that during the service for Graham, the theme song of
    the CHUMS of Chatterbox Corner from 3AW commencing around 1933 was sung by
    all the people attending the service.  It was a definate reminder that
    Graham's Radio career was not forgotten, despite the fact that he was held
    in such high esteem for his Television work.

    If that question had not been asked here, I personally would never have
    known about a radio program which was confined to Melbourne and the story of
    Nicky and Graham and the CHUMS.

    "Being a Chum is fun,
    That is why I'm one,
    Always smiling, always gay,
    Chummy at work and chummy at play.
    Laugh away your worries,
    Don't be sad or glum,
    And everyone will know that you're a Chum, Chum, Chum."

    Ian Grieve
    Moderator
    Australian OTR Group

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