Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #349
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 11/1/2001 7:00 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2001 : Issue 349
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Marlene Dietrich                      [ Dick S Judge <dickjudge@[removed]; ]
      Re: Network Rates                     [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Ronnie & Benita                       [ Peter Kinder <pdkinder@[removed]; ]
      Tape and CDs                          [ "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed] ]
      Re: Marlene Dietrich on Duffy's Tave  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed]; ]
      Re: Tapes vs. CDs                     [ John <JOHN007@[removed]; ]
      Re: WOTW: Grovers Mill revisited      [ passage@[removed] ]
      Re: WRVO                              [ John <JOHN007@[removed]; ]
      Print Through                         [ "Read G. Burgan" <rgb@[removed] ]
      His Typewriter Grew Spurs             [ "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@nfoli ]
      FOTR and VOX POP                      [ Michael Henry <mlhenry@[removed]; ]
      hop SKIP jump                         [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      Radio & TV Skip                       [ Roger Lorette <webmaster@cyber49er. ]
      Tape Versus CD Storage                [ Henry Howard <hhoward@[removed] ]
      tape vs. CD                           [ "Joe Salerno" <sergei01@[removed] ]
      Grovers Mill, New Jersey              [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
      WHY DID OTR "DIE" IN THE US?          [ "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
      Re: Tape vs. CD Storage               [ "James B. Wood, [removed]" <woodjim@ ]
      Archie Andrews                        [ nicoll <nicoll@[removed]; ]
      Until they make a time-machine radio  [ neil crowley <og@[removed]; ]
      Skip                                  [ Carmelo Montalbano <carmelo@starpow ]

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 08:49:43 -0500
    From: Dick S Judge <dickjudge@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Marlene Dietrich

    For Christian Blees, it is a good possibility that Marlene's appearance
    on Duffy's Tavern was Mar 9, 1949.
    dickjudge

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 08:51:29 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Network Rates

    On 11/1/01 3:04 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     But a network was often just the  conveyance as many ad agencies seemed to be
>     the ones  programming the networks with shows they owned. The network didn't
>     seems to care what was on the schedule as long as a certain amount of time
>     was sold. So what determined the asking price of the networks for their air
>     time?

    This is a complicated question, because each network had a slightly
    different system for calculating its rates, and these systems evolved
    over the years. I'm going to base my answer on conditions as they existed
    in 1938, because this is the year used by the authoritiative "Report On
    Chain Broadcasting," issued by the FCC in 1941, in preparing its picture
    of how network broadcasting was conducted. This report is based on sworn
    testimony provided by network officials and on a detailed three-year
    study of exactly how the broadcasting industry worked.

    As of 1938 both NBC and CBS charged for air time on a per-station basis.
    You didn't just walk in and buy an hour of time "on the network" -- you
    had to basically *build* the network you were going to use, and you were
    charged on a per-station basis. But it wasn't a totally a la carte
    proposition either. You had to buy a "basic" network for starters -- a
    group of stations that served as the foundation for your buy. There were
    as of 1938 23 basic Red stations and 24 basic Blue stations associated
    with NBC, extending from New England to Nebraska, north of the
    Mason-Dixon line. Based on the standard 1935 rate card, which was still
    in use in 1938, advertisers were charged $120 per hour for the smallest
    stations used, $680 per hour for average-sized stations, $720 per hour
    for WMAQ and WENR/WLS in Chicago, and $1200 per hour for WEAF and WJZ in
    New York and WLW in Cincinnati. NBC set these local rates based primarily
    on the "potential circulation" for each station's market, or the number
    of potential (*not* actual) listeners in the area served by each station.
    WLW, of course, was in the high-priced category because in 1938 it was
    still "The Nation's Station," running half a million watts, and easily
    audible coast to coast.

    CBS had a similar but somewhat different geographical breakdown. As of
    1938 the CBS rate card ranged from $125 per hour for low-powered rural
    affiliates to $1250 per hour for high-powered metropolitan outlets. These
    per-station rates were set by the network based on the power of each
    station, the size of its market, its comparative popularity in that
    market, and the station's own local rate card for national "spot"
    advertising. Daytime rates were generally much lower than evening rates.

    In dealing with both NBC and CBS, usuing the "basic" network as a
    foundation, you then chose additional groups of stations, laid out
    regionally, to build your network to the full extent your campaign
    required. Many programs were sponsored by products with only a regional
    market -- so coast-to-coast, border-to-border service was not always
    needed. Many network programs were heard only in portions of the country,
    and the basic-and-supplemental-network system made it easy to custom-fit
    your network to the size of its market. You had to buy stations as
    blocks, however, and not individually. If you needed additional, more
    specific coverage after assembling a network, extension spotting of
    recordings of your program was the best option.

    Mutual, as always, had a different system. Its advertisers, comparatively
    few as they were, paid the local rate-card rates for each of the stations
    used, and then received a 3 1/2 per cent commission for handling the
    sale. Local stations arranging business on behalf of the network would
    get a 2 per cent commission for all network time sold.  Mutual had no
    control whatsoever over its national rates -- local rates were set by the
    local stations.

    As noted above, these systems evolved thru the years -- but the status of
    the situation in 1938 gives a basic idea of how it worked.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 08:53:55 -0500
    From: Peter Kinder <pdkinder@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Ronnie & Benita

    	On another list, the question's come up:  Was Ronald Coleman
    actually married to Benita?   If so, was it she who appeared on the Benny
    show?  Did the Colemans live next to the Bennys?

    	Anyone have the answers?

    Thanks,

    Peter Kinder

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:05:18 -0500
    From: "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Tape and CDs

    Being an old ABC-TV engineer, I am enjoying the discussion of tapes and CDs
    very interesting.  Times change, at ABC ,in video,we went from kinescope
    recordings, to two inch analog tape, eventually working down to half inch
    tape, then digital taping, and now a lot of the newer portable cameras have
    the ability to record on a small disc within the camera itself. Who knows
    what will be next?

    With the advent of the recordable audio CDRs, I have transferred a lot of my
    old taped radio shows to them and it is certainly an inexpensive medium to
    use now that the CDRs are as low as 10-20 cents each in bulk.  Talking to
    some of the engineers in the audio library at ABC, they advocated storing
    the tapes tails out also and never really gave a reason for doing so, other
    than "it was better", but nine times out of ten they never followed their
    own advice. In the old days they used to buy a type of Scotch tape that had
    a different emulsion on it that helped to keep print-through down to a
    minimum, but it is the nature of the medium that print-through happens over
    time.  There is also the undeniable fact that tape makes contact with the
    playback head as it runs, and that involves friction and therefore wear.
    Eventually they will lose frequency response and wear out.  At ABC Hlywd, we
    no longer buy tape on reels, and use cassettes for making tapes that
    performers can take home with them to review their performances, and even
    cassettes are beginning to slowly disappear now that CDRs are coming into
    wide use and equipment is installed for them in the studios.
    Only a laser touches the CDR, and theoretically there is no wear and
    properly cared for, the medium should last for many years.  I know that I no
    longer buy tapes commercially, and I have had little or no failures with CDs
    or CDRs.  Only time will tell how durable they are, but right now they look
    pretty good.
    Tom Mason

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:05:43 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Marlene Dietrich on Duffy's Tavern

>     Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 10:49:07 -0500
>     From: "Christian Blees" <christian-blees@[removed];
>     Subject:  Marlene Dietrich on Duffy's Tavern

>     I have got a tape from a Duffy's Tavern episode with Marlene Dietrich as
>     guest but don't know from which date. Does anybody know when this particular
>     episode was boadcast?

      I have a date of 3/2/49 for a show where Archie is writing a tv script
    and Dietrich appears.  I also have the same date for a show where Mickey
    Rooney appeared.
      Sometimes finding a good log is difficult, at least for free.  :)
      Joe

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:02:13 -0500
    From: John <JOHN007@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Tapes vs. CDs

    Doug asks:

>     ...about storing tapes "tails out" ... How is> it that storing the tapes
>     this way prevents print-through?

    Doug, winding tapes tails out isn't (that I've ever heard) thought to
    *prevent* print-through, but the idea is that if the tape is wound tails
    out, the print through will appear as echo (which sounds natural to our
    ears),  as opposed to "pre-cho" (an "echo" that comes *before* the
    sound), which sound very weird and distracting.

    In normal professional practice (at least in my experience down through
    20+ years), tapes are traditionally stored tails out for this reason.

    Happy Listening!
    John

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:02:33 -0500
    From: passage@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: WOTW: Grovers Mill revisited

    Michael Hayde asked:

>     Anybody here ever visit the place?

    As a matter of fact, I did, just this past Sunday.  My son had an away
    soccer game against West Windsor, where Grover's Mill is located.  So,
    after the game, I dragged him there.  Got to see the monument on a
    crisp, Fall day, just at twilight.  Kinda neat, seeing the monument and
    then looking past it at the pond.  A fun visit.  Well worth hunting out
    for
    us OTR fans.  I was glad that my 13 year old son thought enough of it to
    mention it to his friends.

    I learned later that Elsie the Cow's grave marker is in the next town.
    It was a bit of a shock to learn my son never heard of Elsie <grin>.
    Well, at least he knows who Orson Welles is :-).

    Frank

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:02:53 -0500
    From: John <JOHN007@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: WRVO

    I just have to add my thanks to WRVO to those of the other posters.
    The manager (I believe it was) of WRVO used to be on this list, and I
    hope he is still here in order to read these posts.

    WRVO is the only place I know on the internet where you can go to hear a
    live block of OTR each night (though there surely are others -- many are
    too late for us east-coasters), and the programs are very well selected
    and presented, too.   In this day of big bucks talk-talk-talk shows,
    WRVO is to be congratulated on keeping OTR alive and well.

    THANKS WRVO!  We appreciate your committemnt to OTR!

    Happy Listening!
    John

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:03:26 -0500
    From: "Read G. Burgan" <rgb@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Print Through

    The question has been raised about reel-to-reel tapes and print through.

    Radio stations and other professional users of reel-to-reel tape often
    stored their tapes tails out because playing a tape through at normal speed
    assures a tight even wind on the tape and that is the easiest way to insure
    that the tape pack is tightly wound.  When tape is fast forwarded or
    rewound, the tape pack is more loosely wound.  This can allow the edges to
    cup, etc.

    However, there are other ways of achieving the same goal.  I have a Teac
    X-2000 reel-to-reel machine that has a "spooling" mode that allows the tape
    to be re-wound with a tension that achieves the same kind of tight tape
    pack.  And if you have reels that are recorded in two or four track so that
    you end up "back at the beginning" when you are through playing it, you have
    essentially achieved the same kind of tight pack that you would if you left
    the tape tail out.

    Having said that, as long as the tape has been left tightly wound, the
    tendency for print through to occur should be no more or less if the tape is
    tail out or tail in.

    Prevailing wisdom also suggests that reel-to-reel tape and cassettes should
    be fast forwarded and rewound every few years.  I doubt if very many
    archives with large holdings actually achieve this goal.

    Read Burgan

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:03:48 -0500
    From: "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  His Typewriter Grew Spurs

    In the last Digest, Don Taylor mentioned a book he was wanting
    to get for his mother. I'm sure you'll get lots of responses on
    this, Don.

>     Sometime back I think I remember seeing a mention of a book either
>     written *by* Fran Striker (script writer for The Lone Ranger, Green
>     Hornet, Challenge of the Yukon and others) or written *about* him by
>     one of his children. Can anyone tell me the name of the book/author,
>     and where my mom can obtain it?

    I think the book you're speaking of is His Typewriter Grew Spurs
    A biography of Fran Striker - writer. Documenting the Lone Ranger's
    ride on the radiowaves of the world.  By Fran Striker, Jr. I got mine at
    the FOTR Convention in Newark on November 12, 1983 and personally
    signed by Fran, Jr. He was there promoting the book as he just finished
    it that year. It contains 143 pages with photos and 1 complete script from
    December 1932. According to the inside back page you can order copies
    of this book from the publisher.     QUESTCO  [removed] Box 832 Lansdale, Pa.
    19446

    Don Dean - N8IOJ

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:04:27 -0500
    From: Michael Henry <mlhenry@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  FOTR and VOX POP

    I would like to thank everyone on the Digest who attended
    my VOX POP presentation ("Vox Pop Goes to War: The Wartime
    Travels of Parks Johnson") at FOTR on Saturday. Thanks also
    go to Bryan Wright for mentioning it in his recent posting.
    I would also like to thank Jay and the FOTR committee for
    awarding me Allen Rockford award this year. OTR is my
    passion and it means alot to me to be able to contribute to
    the hobby. I am humbled to share the honor with such people
    as Jack French, Charlie Summers, and the many other noted
    contributors to OTR.

    For those of you who are not familiar with VOX POP, it was
    created in 1932 by Parks Johnson as a sidewalk interview
    show. It evolved into a combination interview and quiz show.
    Originally heard locally in Houston, Texas on station KTRH,
    it moved to NBC in 1935 as a summer replacement for Joe
    Penner. It stayed with NBC until 1939 when it began a long
    association with CBS. Over the years, it was sponsored by
    Molle Shaving Cream, Kentucky Club Tobacco, and Bromo
    Seltzer. During the war, it traveled to almost 300 military
    bases, training camps, hospitals, and war plants,
    interviewing servicemen and women and others involved in the
    war effort. The surviving recordings are a valuable oral
    history of the war years.

    In 1996, the Library of American Broadcasting received
    Parks Johnson's papers from his son William Johnson. Parks
    was an historian's dream come true. He saved EVERYTHING!
    The collection includes 2,000 photographs, business
    correspondence, scrapbooks, promotional material, extensive
    notebooks documenting each broadcast, and 400 transcription
    discs. For more information on the collection go to:
    [removed]

    We do not have reference copies for most of the
    transcriptions, but we are always looking for the funds and
    manpower to be able to get the work done. If anyone on the
    list can help us raise the funds or suggest someone who
    could assist with the transferring, please contact me off
    list. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Also, if anyone knows of other VOX POP recordings that may
    be in circulation, please let me know. It would be great to
    find out whether or not what we have is unique or merely
    duplicates what is already out there.

    Lastly, if you know of any WWII veterans who may have been
    interviewed on the show, please let me know. The interviews
    are such a great historical document of the period that I
    would love to find out what happened to those interviewed
    on the show.

    Thanks.

    -Michael Henry
    Library of American Broadcasting
    and
    Metropolitan Washington Old Time Radio Club

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:04:49 -0500
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  hop SKIP jump

    Maybe a technical person can figure THIS one out -- I watched channel 2,
    Bangor, Maine one day around noon on a television set [no antenna] in
    Peoria, Illinois.

                      Sandy Singer
              A DATE WITH SINATRA
        SandySinger@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:05:03 -0500
    From: Roger Lorette <webmaster@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio & TV Skip

    On many occasions I've been able to pick up FM radio stations from great
    distance.  About 20 years ago I happened to notice that on the particular day
    I was enjoying a new FM station at nearly every point on the dial also
    coincided with one on the anual meteor showers that we experience.  This was
    in the month of august.  Since I heard there was to be another meteor shower
    in october I waited for that day to see if once again the "skipoping" would
    [removed] was not dissappointed!  Nowadays I'm not as avid a radio listener
    as I once was (now I have my OTR) so I haven't picked up on the skip for
    quite some time.  But I suggest listening to the news to find out when the
    next meteor shower will occur then tune in on the scheduled day!

    Roger Lorette
    webmaster@[removed]
    The Old Time Radio Archive

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:20:40 -0500
    From: Henry Howard <hhoward@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Tape Versus CD Storage

    Shawn ask "how many of you out there have ever worn out a CD?"

    If you are referring to a glass master cd, I have seen a few get
    scratched to the point they were not usable.

    If, on the other hand, we are talking about CDRs, yes I have seen
    a number of them come up unreadable.  I treat my cd masters the
    same way I treat my tape masters (and I am talking about studio
    productions which constitute my living).  I have had more than I
    want to think about come up with glitches (not physical scratches
    or other visible damage) that cause them to be un readable.

    Properly stored magnetic tape has a proven track record.
    CDRs have no LONG term track record.  In addition, when
    a CDR goes south, it's usually all gone.  Even damaged tape has some
    chance of being salvaged.

    If you are going to store on CDR, I would highly recommend burn
    more than one copy, and use more than one brand of disc if
    the material is important.  If it's just a collection for your entertainment,
    then burn one and treat it well.

            Henry Howard  770 923 7955
       Audio Production for entertainment
                 and communications.
    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:21:28 -0500
    From: "Joe Salerno" <sergei01@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  tape vs. CD

    A question was asked:

    How is it that storing the tapes this way prevents print-through?

    Answer: It doesn't. What it does is cause the print through to be masked by
    the signal so that it will be inaudible. If a tape is wound heads up (ready
    to thread and play) the print through will be a pre-echo. If tails out, the
    echo will be post signal and masked by the program content.

    Regarding tape life, I have tapes from the 60s that work fine, and some from
    the 70s and 80s that suffer from sticky-shed syndrome. They are not fine.
    Tape from different periods will not all age the same way.

    Joe Salerno

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 11:22:02 -0500
    From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Grovers Mill, New Jersey

    Michael Hayde asks about Grovers Mill; " Anyone ever visit the place?"  he
    queries.

    Well I haven't been to Grovers Mill,  but a friend of mine attended the
    50th anniversary of the Martian landing in Grovers Mill in 1988.  "What a
    party," she says.

    She sent me photographs of the commemorative plaque,  located in Van Nest
    Park which is in West Windsor Township where Grovers Mill is situated.
    The statue shows one of the spacecraft, Orson Welles at his music stand
    with his ear cupped, and a small family huddled around a cathedral radio.
    There's a description of the event but I can't read it.  It is quite
    imposing.

    Dennis Crow

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 12:21:05 -0500
    From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WHY DID OTR "DIE" IN THE US?

    Can anyone on the thread tell me why America is the only country in the
    World that is not currently broadcasting the kind of radio we were familiar
    with on a Network basis (CBS, NBC, ABC, Mutual, etc.) I have email friends
    all over the world, and I ask them about Radio Drama, Variety, Comedy, Kid
    Shows, etc. And they tell me it is still "going strong" there.  Why did we
    allow it to dissapear from the scene in favor of all-talk, or top 40, or
    just plain junk.  True we have only smidgens of shows, courtesy of
    Yesterday, USA, Bobb Lynes & Barbara Sunday and their "Don't Touch Thay
    Dial," and I believe a show by Chuck Shaden. All of these are very good
    programs, but are  on limited basis and are replays of the originals that
    are only available in certain areas (not syndicated). Baltimore has nothing
    in the way of OTR like the above mentioned, with the exception of a show
    from DC that was started by John Hickman in 1972 called "Recollections" and
    later "The Big Broadcast" hosted by WMAL personality, Ed Walker.  Outside of
    that we have nada.

    I know it would be like "whipping a dead horse" to bring it back - but why
    did it have to "die such a painful death" in the first place?  I have heard
    reasons from "not economically feasible" to "no one listens to that kind of
    drivile, today".  So what is the answer?  Who was to blame? The listener?
    The Brodcasters, The performers, The sponsors? If it can work "over there,"
    than why in the world could it not work "over here?"

    I bet you that if someone who is "in the chips" that loves OTR, would buy a
    station, and start staffing it with those of his (or her) kind that love it
    as well, and start hiring actors old and new, it would be a start in the
    right direction - or - has this been tried before?

    Now, do any of you have any thoughts on this?

    Owens

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:24:12 -0500
    From: "James B. Wood, [removed]" <woodjim@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Tape vs. CD Storage

    Shawn Wells challenged:

>     Seriously now, you can't actually believe that
>     magnetic tape would outlast a compact disc?

    	A bit too early to tell yet.  I've got tapes from the late-40s that
    sound as good as the day they were made (which wasn't all that great,
    [removed]), yet none of my CD's are more than about 20 years old.  I had one
    commercial CD, purchased at Tower Records about 10 years ago, warp all by
    itself so as to be unplayable.  I also got a CD-ROM with a digital camera
    that came warped because of how it was packed.
    	Doubtless the future will bring more clever ways to store audio, but
    the
    trend seems to be toward higher packing densities.  MP3 or any of the
    other 'lossy' or, for that matter 'lossless' data-reduction techniques
    constitute an effort to reduce the size of the file with a tradeoff
    either of audio quality or file fragility.  Putting one's entire
    collection of OTR onto one DVD-R would, in my opinion, be courting
    disaster.  Like the proverbial eggs in one basket, a valuable collection
    ought to be spread out somewhat.

    Jim Wood
    Brea, CA

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:24:25 -0500
    From: nicoll <nicoll@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Archie Andrews

    Our friend, Archie Andrews, made the pages of MM - Modern Maturity magazine
    this month.  He's on page 96 - The Big Uh-Oh page that list well known
    people's ages as they turn over  another decade (50-60-70-80).
    Listed under "60"
    "Archie Andrews
    All-American Teen
    November 4"

    Will Nicoll

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 17:24:58 -0500
    From: neil crowley <og@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Until they make a time-machine radio

>     From: "[removed]" <swells@[removed];
>         I would venture a little speculation here about audio/video tape. There
>     is no doubt in my mind that within the next few years that tape, in any
>     format, will be replaced for good. Now it may not be compact discs and DVD's
>     that do it.
>     ------------------------------

    Shawn makes a good point about the inexorable march of technology - the
    latest technology rapidly deceases into the late technology. Tape, like
    film, is already moribund.

    I don't suppose the recording media arguments will ever end but for
    practical reasons MP3 cd's make the most sense for those who listen to OTR
    for pleasure. Archivists and scholars have more serious concerns; the rest
    of us just go with whatever's currently available and convenient.

    Perhaps the best solution for OTR collectors is a second large hard disk.
    But even the multi-megabyte drives available today seem too small. In a few
    years, when we get to terabyte capacity hard disks at a decent price, maybe
    portable firewire cartridges, cd's will go the way of the floppy disk. It
    won't be long before you can carry an entire large collection of OTR, and
    maybe all your digital movies, in your shirt pocket, next to your heart
    where they belong. Beats cigarettes.

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    Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 19:15:18 -0500
    From: Carmelo Montalbano <carmelo@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Skip

    Owens writes:
     >>I wonder if anyone on the thread has had a similar
     >>experience of receiving broadcasts outside of your
     >>listening area?

    As a ham radio operator, skip, caused by the ionization peaks during the
    height of the sunspot cycles.  It's fun because with just a little power
    (say 5 watts) I have travelled over 1000 miles and it has been recorded
    that folks have traveled from NY to London on a single watt.

    Using a GE Superadio I have picked up skipped stations from as far away as
    Texas.

    BTW,  a great thing about otr radios was that they had connections to
    attach long antennas from the back.  Still works today if you need to pick
    up distance or a better signal.  Or go to radio shack for one of their
    dimensional tuning antenna.

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