Subject: [removed] Digest V2009 #132
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Date: 7/15/2009 10:18 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2009 : Issue 132
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
      Re: Dates                             [ "Sammy Jones" <sjones69@[removed] ]
      FOTR Updates                          [ seandd@[removed] ]
      7-14 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      re Barrie Craig                       [ Chargous@[removed] ]
      Yoo-Hoo, Mrs. Goldberg                [ Doug Douglass <dougdouglass@[removed] ]
      What if                               [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
      Re: Dates                             [ LBiel <[removed]@[removed]; ]
      7-15 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Deaths in June 2009                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:12:01 -0400
    From: charlie@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
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    over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
    of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
    real-time OTR talk!

    Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
    others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
    range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
    it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
    it's always a good time!

    For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
    week and every week!

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:07:44 -0400
    From: "Sammy Jones" <sjones69@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Dates

    Ted asks:

>     I wonder why it is so difficult to come up with the broadcast dates for some
>     shows. Didn't the networks maintain records? The sponsors? Writers?
>     Stars?

    I'm curious what shows you are referring to.  I'd venture to guess that the
    vast majority of circulating network shows have dates attached (or those
    dates are easily attainable).  You may be wondering about syndicated shows.
    There seems to be no end of confusion about which shows were syndicated and
    exactly what that means.

    The practice of broadcast syndication started in 1928 with the serial run of
    Amos 'n' Andy.  The shows would be recorded several weeks in advance, then
    sent to subscribing stations to be played simultaneously with the live
    broadcasts that originated at WMAQ, Chicago.  Amos 'n' Andy is a special case
    in that each episode was intended to be only broadcast once on a particular
    day and had a live broadcast that theoretically occurred at the same time as
    playback of the recordings.  Much syndicated radio was not that way.

    As syndication progressed in the '30s, many shows were limited or short run
    of perhaps 13, 26, 39, or 52 episodes (those are common run lengths; many
    shows were shorter or longer).  These shows were often bicycled from one
    station to another: once the first station finished an episode, it would send
    the ET on to to the next station in the chain.  This could go on for many
    years.  There are Transco shows from the early '30s that were still being
    bicycled to small stations in the '50s.

    It is usually impossible to assign a "first broadcast" date to these shows,
    as many stations would be playing them near simultaneously on their own
    schedules.

    Often syndicated shows are given first run dates by collectors and dealers by
    using newspaper listings for New York, Los Angeles, or Chicago stations.
    These dates are not necessarily inaccurate because they represent real
    broadcast dates, but they may not be the true first broadcast dates.  For
    syndicated shows, these are often impossible to obtain without paperwork from
    the syndication companies (which in most cases doesn't exist).

    There has been a lot of writing done in this area.  Michael Biel's
    dissertation, The Making and Use of Broadcast Recordings Prior to 1936, is a
    treasure trove of information.  Dr. Biel is a member of this list and may
    have more comments on this subject.

    Sammy Jones

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:07:56 -0400
    From: seandd@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  FOTR Updates

    Just a reminder to the list that you can subscribe to updates via e-mail on
    the Friends of Old Time Radio Convention at [removed] and if you want
    up-to-the-minute updates, check out our event page on Facebook (if you're a
    Facebook person).

    It's in its infancy but I'm trying to add photos and articles about past
    conventions for [removed] could use some more fans and chatter around the page,
    so come on over if you're so inclined.

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:08:06 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  7-14 births/deaths

    July 14th births

    07-14-1880 - Donald Meek - Glasgow, Scotland - d. 11-18-1946
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    07-14-1892 - Gene Rouse - Boulder, CO - d. 8-26-1956
    announcer/newscaster: "First Nighter"; "Grand Hotel"; "Vanity Fair"
    07-14-1897 - Cornelia Osgood - d. 4-xx-1984
    actor: Dorothy Regent "Chandu the Magician"; Adella Winston "Stepmother"
    07-14-1898 - Louise Lorimer - d. 8-11-1995
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Short Story"
    07-14-1898 - Pat C. Flick - Philadelphia, PA - d. 11-1-1955
    actor: Pablo Ittheptiches "Fred Allen Show"
    07-14-1898 - "Happy" Chandler - Corydon, KY - d. 6-15-1991
    governor, baseball commissioner: "University of Chicago Round Table"
    07-14-1901 - George Tobias - NYC - d. 2-27-1980
    actor: "Cavalcade of America"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
    07-14-1902 - Harlan Ware - d. 5-7-1967
    writer: "The Bartons"; "One Man's Family"
    07-14-1903 - Irving Stone - San Francisco, CA - d. 8-26-1989
    author: "Cavalcade of America"; "Hallmark Playhouse"; "Arch Oboler's
    Plays"
    07-14-1903 - Ken Murray - Nyack, NY - d. 10-12-1988
    comedian: "Hollywood Hotel"; "Texaco Star Theatre"
    07-14-1904 - Annabella - La Varenne Hilaire, Val-de-Marne, France - d.
    9-18-1996
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    07-14-1904 - Isaac Bashevis Singer - Radzymin, Poland - d. 7-24-1991
    yiddish storyteller: "Earplay"
    07-14-1904 - Nadia Reisenberg - Vilna, Lithuania - d. 6-10-1983
    pianist: "Benny Goodman Music Festival"
    07-14-1909 - Isabel Jewell - Shoshone, WY - d. 4-5-1972
    actor: "Dr. Kildare"; "NBC Presents: Short Story"
    07-14-1909 - Walter Gross - NYC - d. 11-27-1967
    composer, pianist: "Piano Playhouse"; "Carnation Contented Hour"
    07-14-1910 - Boris Aplon - Chicago, IL - d. 11-27-1995
    actor: Ivan Shark "Captain Midnight"
    07-14-1911 - Terry-Thomas - London, England - d. 1-8-1990
    comedian: "Top of the Town"
    07-14-1912 - Woody Guthrie - Okemah, OK - d. 10-2-1967
    songwriter, singer: "Pursuit of Happiness"
    07-14-1913 - Gerald R. Ford - Omaha, NE - d. 12-26-2006
    accidental [removed] president: "Meet the Press"
    07-14-1914 - Billy Kyle - Philadelphia, PA - d. 2-23-1966
    pianist: "Flow Gently, Sweet Rhythm"
    07-14-1914 - George F. Putnam - Breckenridge, MN - d. 9-12-2008
    newscaster, announcer: "George Putnam and the News"; "The Army Hour"
    07-14-1914 - John Laing - NYC - d. 5-15-1979
    announcer: "Great Gildersleeve"; "Sealtest Variety Theatre"
    07-14-1915 - Jack Gregson - Spokane, WA - d. 6-5-1988
    announcer, emcee: "Jack's Place"; "Live Like a Millionaire"
    07-14-1915 - Jerome Lawrence - Cleveland, OH - d. 2-29-2004
    cbs staff writer: "Frank Sinatra Show"; "Doris Day Show"; "Kate Smith
    Show"
    07-14-1917 - Douglas Edwards - Ada, OK - d. 10-13-1990
    newscaster: "Wendy Warren and the News"
    07-14-1919 - Claude Trenier - Mobile, AL - d. 11-17-2003
    singer: "Jimmie Lunceford and His Orchestra"
    07-14-1923 - Dale Robertson - Harrah, OK
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    07-14-1926 - Harry Dean Stanton - West Irvine, KY
    vocalist: "Suspense"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    07-14-1927 - John Chancellor - Chicago, IL - d. 7-12-1996
    newscaster: WMAQ Chicago, NBC; "Voice of America"
    07-14-1928 - George Rose - Limestone County, AL - d. 12-16-2006
    disk jockey: Cousin Josh "The Cousin Josh Jam-O-Ree"
    07-14-1928 - George "Cousin Josh" Rose - Huntsville, AL - d. 12-16-2006
    country singer: "Grand Ole Opry"
    07-14-1928 - Nancy Olson - Milwaukee, WI
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Dimension X"
    07-14-1930 - Polly Bergen - Knoxville, TN
    actor: "MGM Musical Comedy Theatre"
    07-14-1931 - Robert Stephens - Bristol, England - d. 11-12-1995
    actor: Aragorn "The Lord of the Rings"
    07-14-1932 - Del Reeves - Sparta, NC - d. 1-1-2007
    country singer: "Grand Ole Opry"
    07-14-1944 - Lynn Lorring - NYC
    actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"

    July 14th deaths

    03-17-1917 - Lily May Ledford - Kentucky - d. 7-14-1985
    fiddle, banjo, singer: (Coon Creek Girls) "WLS National Barn Dance"
    04-04-1859 - Willfred Moore - d. 7-14-1939
    writer: "Air Advs. of Jimmy Allen"; "Howie Wing"; "Captain Midnight"
    05-14-1898 - Zutty Singleton - Bunkie, LA - d. 7-14-1975
    jazz drummer: "Radio Almanac";"Just Jazz"; "BBC Jazz Session"
    05-30-1944 - Meredith MacCrea - Houston, TX - d. 7-14-2000
    actor: (Daughter of Gordon and Shelia MacCrea) "Sears Radio Theatre"
    06-02-1901 - Lou Shoobe - d. 7-14-1989
    bassist: "The Saturday Night Swing Club"
    08-02-1924 - Joe Harnell - The Bronx, NY - d. 7-14-2005
    jazz arranger: (Joe Harnell Quartet) "The Navy Swings"
    08-14-1876 - John Todd (Fred McCarthy) - Crossingville, PA - d.
    7-14-1957
    actor: Tonto "The Lone Ranger"; Mr. Reid "The Green Hornet"
    08-24-1900 - Preston Foster - Ocean City, NJ - d. 7-14-1970
    actor: "NBC University Theatre"
    09-05-1910 - Kenny Delmar - Boston, MA - d. 7-14-1984
    actor: Beauregard Claghorn "Fred Allen Show"; Commissioner Weston "The
    Shadow"
    09-15-1909 - Eric Linden - NYC - d. 7-14-1994
    actor: "Hollywood On the Air"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    11-11-1892 - Al Schacht - NYC - d. 7-14-1984
    sportscaster: ( The Clown Prince of Baseball) "Al Schacht's Sports Show"
    12-29-1898 - Jules Bledsoe - Waco, TX - d. 7-14-1943
    baritone: "Jubilee"; "The Theatre Magazine"

    Ron

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:08:19 -0400
    From: Chargous@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re Barrie Craig

    The bridge music referred to the Shadow is from the 1960s Michaelson
    syndication of some of the Shadow shows.  Unfortunately, a few shows exist
    only in this form.

    I have always wanted to know the name of the Barrie Craig theme song.

    Travis

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:08:42 -0400
    From: Doug Douglass <dougdouglass@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Yoo-Hoo, Mrs. Goldberg
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    "The Goldbergs" was the story a Jewish family in the Bronx. Gertrude Berg was
    creator, writer, and star.  Airing on radio from 1929 to 1946, it became a
    feature film, television series and two Broadway shows, a play and musical.

    Aviva Kempner has created a film about the series. Currently showing in New
    York, it will be seen nationwide.

    [removed]

    Doug Douglass

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:09:00 -0400
    From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  What if
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           I've got a question for all of you.  If you cold choose 1 OTR program,
    update it,
    and bring it to television (no matter the genre) what would it be?  The
    responses I've
    received so far are "Candy Matson, Yukon 2-8209", "Mr. and Mrs. North" and
    "Doctor Kildare".  Let's be clear, however, what I mean by 'update'. I mean
    updating
    not only historically, but with the modern advances made in technology as
    well.
    (Especially as far as the detective and police procedural type shows are
    concerned.)

           I'd be interested to hear your input on this. If there are some of you
    who think
    presenting a modern day version of an OTR program would be an exercise in
    futility,
    let me know why. Let me know off list if you wish.

    As always,

    Kenneth

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:09:09 -0400
    From: LBiel <[removed]@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Dates

    Ted <radioaz@[removed]; asked why it was so difficult to come up with some
    broadcast shows.  NBC did maintain broadcast logs for both the Red and Blue
    networks, and these are available at the Library of Congress, but they mainly
    list the title and sponsor of the program, not the contents of particular
    episodes.  There is a separate card file listing every guest performer and
    every song performed, and that is sometimes a way to get a clue.  CBS,
    Mutual, and ABC are a little more difficult to get to, and most sponsors have
    long since discarded info this old -- there's nothing that they could use it
    for (but there are a few fortunate exceptions).  Ted also asks  "I suppose
    one reason for latter shows is that once they started transcribing shows
    there wasn't "one" broadcast date.  Stations could pick up the recording and
    play them at a later date."  When the networks started allowing the use of
    recorded programs they would still be normally sent out on the network for
    stations to play simultaneously to the transmission.  BUT when it comes to
    syndicated programs, that is definately the case because, with a few
    exceptions like the pre-network Amos 'n' Andy, there is no real "broadcast"
    date.  There is a recording date, however, and this can sometimes be found if
    the person who transfered the disc took the trouble to copy down all
    discographic info about the actual disc, especially the matrix number.  And
    it is not just the "later" broadcasts that are in the category of
    syndication.  That began back in 1928, and some programs recorded in the
    early 30s were still being syndicated in the late 40s.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:09:19 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  7-15 births/deaths

    July 15th births

    07-15-1889 - Marjorie Rambeau - San Francisco, CA - d. 7-6-1970
    actor: "Advs. of Ellery Queen"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    07-15-1893 - William Dieterle - Rhein-Palatinate, Germany - d. 12-8-1972
    movie director: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Screen Director's Playhouse"
    07-15-1897 - Howard Lanin - Philadelphia, PA - d. 4-26-1991
    bandleader: ((King of Society Dance Music) "Atwater Kent Hour";
    "Campbell Soup Show"
    07-15-1900 - Ernest Batchelor - d. 2-25-1976
    disk jockey: WDAX McRae, Georgia
    07-15-1900 - Helen Shields - Champaign, IL - d. 8-7-1963
    actor: Linda Dale "I Love Linda Dale"; Sylvia Meadows "Amanda of
    Honeymoon Hill"
    07-15-1903 - Walter D. Edmonds - Boonville, NY - d. 1-24-1998
    writer: "Information Please"
    07-15-1905 - Dorothy Fields - Allenhurst, NJ - d. 3-28-1974
    lyricist: "Music for Millions"
    07-15-1905 - Shirley Povich - Bar Harbor ME - d. 6-4-1998
    sports columnist: "World Series Preview"; "Sonny Liston vs. Cassius
    Clay"
    07-15-1906 - Richard Armour - San Pedro, CA - d. 2-28-1987
    humorist: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy"
    07-15-1908 - Lee Erwin - Cincinnati, OH - d. 9-21-2000
    organist, arranger: Moneybags Erwin "Arthur Godfrey Show"
    07-15-1908 - Parke Levy - Philadelphia, PA - d. 3-8-1993
    creator, writer, director: "Joe Penner"; "My Friend Irma"
    07-15-1910 - Ken Lynch - Cleveland, OH - d. 2-13-1990
    actor: Lt. Matt King "Twenty-First Precinct"; Christopher Gard "Cafe
    Istanbul"
    07-15-1912 - John Ademy - d. 9-1-1976
    bass-baritone: WCAO Baltimore, Maryland
    07-15-1913 - Cowboy Copas - Muskogee, OK - d. 3-5-1963
    singer: "Grand Ole Opry"; "Country Music Time"
    07-15-1916 - Len Sterling - Chicago, IL
    announcer/actor: "FBI in Peace and War"; "Pot 'O Gold"; "Sunday
    Serenade"
    07-15-1918 - Joan Roberts - NYC
    singer: "The Texaco Star Theatre"
    07-15-1919 - Eve McVeagh - Ohio - d. 12-10-1997
    actor: Harriet Beatty "Clyde Beatty Show"
    07-15-1920 - B. H. Anderly - d. 1-13-1998
    newscaster, disk jockey: KLIZ Brainerd, Minnesota
    07-15-1923 - Herb Sargent - Philadelphia, PA - d. 5-6-2005
    writer: Wrote for radio in the 1940s
    07-15-1925 - Phil Carey - Hackensack NJ - d. 2-6-2008
    actor: "Family Theatre"
    07-15-1927 - Nan Martin - Decatur, IL
    actor: "We Hold These Truths"

    July 15th deaths

    01-09-1899 - Ted Maxwell - Oakland, CA - d. 7-15-1959
    actor: "Captain Ross "Flying Time"; Fred Nino "Masquerade"
    01-23-1923 - Florence Halop - Jamaica Estates, NY - d. 7-15-1986
    actor: Hotbreath Houlihan "Jimmy Durante Show"; Miss Duffy "Duffy's
    Tavern"
    02-02-1899 - Benny Rubin - Boston, MA - d. 7-15-1986
    comedian: Tout "Jack Benny Program"; "Benny Rubin's Whirligig Revue"
    02-04-1905 - Eddie Foy, Jr. - New Rochelle, NY - d. 7-15-1983
    vaudevillian: "Starlight Operetta"; "Mitch Miller Show"
    02-13-1916 - Ruth Batcheller - d. 7-15-1990
    woman's program on WACE Massachusetts
    02-15-1893 - Walter Donaldson - NYC - d. 7-15-1947
    songwriter: "Fitch Bandwagon"
    02-27-1904 - Elisabeth Welch - NYC - d. 7-15-2003
    actress, singer: "Soft Lights and Sweet Music"
    03-05-1898 - Bud Selvin - d. 7-15-1980
    bandleader: "Devoe Redskins"; "Kolster Radio Hour"
    03-31-1870 - James Cox - Jacksonburg, OH - d. 7-15-1957
    radio station owner, Cox Broadcasting
    04-14-1903 - Lloyd Amoo - d. 7-15-1973
    newscaster: KRMC Jamestown, North Dakota
    05-01-1906 - "Little" Jackie Heller - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 7-15-1988
    singer: "Ben Bernie, The Old Maestro"
    06-27-1906 - Carroll Bratman - Baltimore, MD - d. 7-15-1984
    staff percussionist for CBS radio
    07-08-1913 - Bill Thompson - Terre Haute, IN - d. 7-15-1971
    actor: Wallace Wimple, Horatio K Boomer and others "Fibber McGee and
    Molly"
    07-26-1897 - Paul Gallico - NYC - d. 7-15-1976
    writer: "Author's Playhouse"; "Keep 'Em Rolling"; "Radio City Playhouse"
    08-05-1911 - David Brian - NYC - d. 7-15-1993
    actor: Mr. District Attorney "Mr. District Attorney"
    08-28-1885 - Vance Palmer - Bundaberg, Australia - d. 7-15-1959
    writer: "Telling Mrs. Baker"
    09-15-1916 - Margaret Lockwood - Karachi, British India - d. 7-15-1990
    actor: "A Christmas Carol"
    09-25-1905 - Natalie Arnoux - d. 7-15-1997
    violinist: KFDM Beaumont, Texas
    10-28-1906 - Lou Bring - d. 7-15-1951
    orchestra leader: "The Al Jolson Show"; "The Gracie Fields Show"
    11-16-1896 - Lawrence Tibbett - Bakersfield, CA - d. 7-15-1960
    singer: "Voice of Firestone"; "Your Hit Parade"; "Golden Voices"
    xx-xx-xxxx - Connie Norman - Texas - d. 7-15-1996
    transsexual talk show host: "The Connie Norman Show"

    Ron

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    Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 16:09:36 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Deaths in June 2009

    Deaths in June 2009

    08-17-1927 - Sam Butera - New Orleans, LA - d. 6-3-2009
    tenor sax: (Sam Butera and the Witnesses) "The Navy Swings"
    04-25-1904 - Huey Long - Sealy Austin County, TX - d. 6-10-2009
    jazz guitarist: The Ink Spots
    05-17-1926 - Tenniel Evans - Nairobi, Kenya - d. 6-10-2009
    actor: Leading Seaman Goldstein "The Navy Lark"
    02-12-1910 - Ken Roberts - The Bronx, NY - d. 6-19-2009
    actor, announcer: Commissioner Weston "The Shadow"; "Easy Aces"
    09-01-1914 - Bert Bank - Montgomery, AL - d. 6-22-2009
    Founder of the Alabama Football Radio Network
    02-22-1954 - Betty Allen - Campbell, OH - d. 6-22-2009
    singer: "National Music League"
    03-06-1923 - Ed McMahon - Detroit, MI - d. 6-23-2009
    actor-announcer: Monitor"
    xx-xx-1936 - John Callaway - West Virginia - d. 6-23-2009
    vice-president of CBS radio in New York
    12-24-1912 - Jay Bennett - Brooklyn, NY - d. 6-27-2009
    script writer: "Miracle of Christmas"
    11-12-1919 - Jackie Washington - Hamilton, Canada - d. 6-27-2009
    Canada's first black disk jockey
    04-05-1922 - Gale Storm - McDade, TX - d. 6-27-2009
    actor: Margie Albright "My Little Margie"
    06-06-1920 - Jan Rubes - Volyne, Czechoslovakia - d. 6-29-2009
    opera singer: "Songs of My People"

    Ron

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