Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #287
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 9/22/2005 4:05 PM
To: [removed]@[removed]

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2005 : Issue 287
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  He's Alive!                           [ Wich2@[removed] ]
  DOMINO, SATCH & LAMOUR OF NEW ORLEAN  [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
  "That's What I Like About the South"  [ Randy Watts <rew1014@[removed]; ]
  Ron Lackman and his books             [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
  Howard Culver                         [ "Lois Culver" <loiseula@[removed] ]
  Butch and Glenn                       [ George Kelly <gkelly1@[removed]; ]
  Question on Ron Lackmann OTR Encyclo  [ "Stuart Lubin" <StuartLubin@[removed] ]
  Re: Glenn Strange                     [ Gerald Serrino <gserr@[removed]; ]
  "Hoarding" & MP3 Dealers              [ TED DAVENPORT <tedotr@[removed] ]
  Glenn Strange                         [ Anthony Tollin <sanctumotr@earthlin ]
  A "[removed]"                              [ mikeandzachary@[removed] ]
  Theater Guild                         [ JayHick@[removed] ]
  Finding OTR in strange places         [ mikeandzachary@[removed] ]
  The Golden Age of Radio with Dick Be  [ "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed]; ]
  9-22 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Glenn Strange                         [ "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
  OTR Research: Finding the informatio  [ "David S. Siegel" <otrdsiegel@veriz ]

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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:19:41 -0400
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  He's Alive!

... claim to  fame, was playing the Frankenstein ... monster in
all the Universal flicks,  with the exception of  -- the original,
which starred Karlof, and once,  and the only time Lon
Chaney Jr. played the roll.

Dear  Sandy-

Your facts are monstrous!

Karloff originated the role, and  played it twice more: FRANK., BRIDE OF, SON
OF.
Jr. Chaney was THE GHOST  OF.
And Bela Lugosi as The Monster MET THE WOLFMAN.

Happy  Halloween!
-Craig "the once - and future? - Monster" Wichman

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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:19:58 -0400
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  DOMINO, SATCH & LAMOUR OF NEW ORLEANS

Played myself in a flick Fat's was featured, Jamboree.  Dick Clark was
also in this film, before Bandstand went net.  Satch was one of Gordon
Jenkins' idols -- the first time they recorded together, Gordy had
over-arranged so badly, he said, "Let's open the windows and let the
studio air out."  Dorothy Lamour was 'discovered' operating an elevator
in Chicago's famed Marshall Fields.

[removed]
          Sandy
[removed]
        [removed]

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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:20:21 -0400
From: Randy Watts <rew1014@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "That's What I Like About the South"

According to the liner notes in a CD compilation I
have of songs written by Andy Razaf, he wrote "That's
What I Like 'bout the South."  Later, Phil Harris made
some minor changes to the lyrics and altered the title
to "That's What I Like ABOUT the South" and began
claiming authorship himself, which is apparently why
78s of Harris' recordings of the song give him
composer credit, while a couple of other discs I've
seen of it by other performers attribute it to Razaf.

Randy

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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:20:50 -0400
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Ron Lackman and his books

 I bought the same Ron Lackman book when it came out
under its original title (It escapes me at the moment)
and he can't blame all of the errors in it and its
reprint on Dunning and Buxton & Owen. The book is
sloppy in it facts and lack of proof reading. He has
people acting in shows after he has said they died. He
says that Janet Waldo was the voice of Alice in the
Disney version of the story. She was the Alice's voice
but it was for Hanna-Barbera. I asked Janet if she had
been contracted regarding the book and she told me no
she hadn't. This aside Mr. Lackman seems to want to
blame everyone but himself for the book's mistakes.
  In keeping with this I was recently given another
Lackman book about comic strips that had become radio
shows or vice versa. Once again the errors are
abundant, although they seem to mostly regarding the
information about strips that went to movies or TV.
I'm glad I didn't pay for the thing myself because
frankly I would have demanded my money back.
 In my view Mr. Lackman is not an author to trust when
researching OTR.
Larry Albert

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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:21:00 -0400
From: "Lois Culver" <loiseula@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Howard Culver
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You want information on Howard Culver?  See IMDB online, or ask me!

Lois Culver
Mrs. Howard Culver
loiseula@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:26:05 -0400
From: George Kelly <gkelly1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Butch and Glenn

I recently bought a dollar dvd entitled The Legend of the Lone Ranger
which is, I think, the first three episodes of the television show.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong; anyway, Glenn Strange plays Butch
Cavendish.

George Kelly

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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:28:49 -0400
From: "Stuart Lubin" <StuartLubin@[removed];
To: "OTR_Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Question on Ron Lackmann OTR Encyclopedia

If I admitted that I am not a serious collector or even an historian on the
OTR
subject, none would be surprised. That does not mean that I do not have the
greatest respect and admiration for all those who are very accurate about
broadcast dates and program credits, and everything else that goes into the
recording of a systematically accurate history.  Their writings have been a
joy to me
and most others in this hobby. Regarding  Ron Lackmann's
Encyclopedia,  I was interested in what Trina has to say about what he
writes
about THE BIG BROADCAST and TUNE IN YESTERDAY in his introduction; that he
criticized the authors of those early works.

If one does brilliant work, one does not have to be publicly critical of the
so-called competition. Everyone's work stands on its own merit, and to
criticize someone else's work in your own publication is tacky and
self-serving.

THE BIG BROADCAST was first copyrighted in 1966 and TUNE IN YESTERDAY about
10 years later. There were no old time radio groups at that time, at least
not prominent ones such as SPERDVAC and FOTR, where experts congregated and
where dates and credits and other data could be easily corroborated by many
different participants. In those days, many of us who enjoyed radio from the
then not-so-distant past were not aware that those participants had been
making history.  Our emphasis was not on historical accuracy.  The
Buxton/Owen and Dunning books were all we had then, and we were very
grateful for them.  I want to publicly thank these three gentlemen for being
in the forefront of the recording of what turned out to be a most wonderful
history, and any inaccuracies therein are certainly forgiven.

Stuart---(formerly OTRadiofan)

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Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:30:22 -0400
From: Gerald Serrino <gserr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Glenn Strange

In the discussion of Glenn Strange's credits, one of
his most notable ones was left out. He was Sam, the
bartender of the Long Branch Saloon - Amanda Blake's
right hand man - on Gunsmoke

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 00:16:22 -0400
From: TED DAVENPORT <tedotr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "Hoarding" & MP3 Dealers
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I read with great interest the thread of a few days ago on "hoarding" and the
MP3 dealers.  Here is my opinion on that, for what it's worth.

I understand why material is being "hoarded" and I agree with it.  In times
past I was able to buy rare material (sometimes at a very hefty price) and
was able to re-coup my investment through sales.  Today that would be very
difficult or, possibly, impossible due to downloads and MP3 dealers.  As soon
as the first copy is released it is spread through the internet at lightning
speed.  I still acquire this type of material but am very cautious as to what
I will release.  I feel this is my right because it is my money and time that
was used to acquire it.  I also feel that "hoarding" will become more and
more the standard with the people that have the new material.

I hear over and over how OTR should be free to anyone that wants it.  What I
don't hear is where the shows came from that are supposed to be free to
anyone that wants them.   I'll tell you where they came from.  They came from
people like me who have spent countless dollars and time to put them
together.  It seems to me that "free for anyone that wants it" is a very
relative term.

I have been asked many times why I only offer cassettes and not CD's or
MP3's.  I will be happy to answer that question.  I personally master each
tape in real time and listen to each and every master.  If I offered the
material on CD, the MP3 dealers could convert them without having to go to
the trouble of even listening to it.  If they are going to use my material, I
want to make it as difficult and time consuming to them as I can.  Please
understand - I am not talking about the people that do their own encodes from
the best source possible.  They have my utmost respect.  I am talking about
the scores of "dealers" (I am being charitable here) that are selling exactly
the same discs.  They have not listened to anything or they would have fixed
the problems.  They have simply found a way to make a quick buck and care
nothing about the material itself.  I have no respect at all for these
people.  The old adage "you get what you pay for" applies here.

My only advice to the MP3 collector is to do your own encodes.  One of my
greatest pleasures is the pride I take in my collection.  This pride comes
from listening to every show (which is why I took up the hobby in the first
place - to LISTEN to the shows themselves) and doing the best job I can.  I
look at my OTR collection as my life's work.  I have been doing it for over
35 years now and plan to continue as long as I live.  I have always been, and
always will be, a collector.  I will be a dealer only as long as people want
what I have to sell.

Ted Davenport

Radio Memories

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:02:29 -0400
From: Anthony Tollin <sanctumotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Glenn Strange

on 9/21/05 4:41 PM, Sandy Singer asks:

Glenn's claim to fame, was playing the Frankenstein [or, Froonkinsteen
-- Mel Brooks] monster in all the Universal flicks, with the exception of
2 -- the original, which starred Karlof, and once, and the only time Lon
Chaney Jr. played the roll.

Actually, Glenn Strange played the Monster in just three films (House of
Frankenstein, House of Dracula and Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein.
The great Boris Karloff starred as the Monster in the original Frankenstein
and its sequels Bride of Frankenstein and Son of Frankenstein.  Lon Chaney
Jr. played the Monster in Ghost of Frankenstein and a single scene of Abbott
and Costello Meet Frankenstein, while Bela Lugosi portrayed the Monster in
Frankenstein Meets the Wolfman.  So Glenn Strange played the Frankenstein
Monster in just three of the eight Universal flicks.  Of interest to OTR
fans, Glenn Strange played Butch Cavendish in four of the Lone Ranger TV
shows (including the original trilogy).
--ANTHONY TOLLIN (who began his professional career in 1973 as assistant
editor of FAMOUS MONSTERS OF FILMLAND)

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:59:14 -0400
From: mikeandzachary@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  A "[removed]"

I was listening to the BURNS AND ALLEN SHOW episode where George and
guest Jack Benny decide to masquerade as gypsies so they can sing and
play the violin, respectively. In the dialogue, George said that he had
a "[removed]," which seemed to mean a noteworthy piece of information. Does
anyone know if the letters actually stood for something?

Mike

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:59:36 -0400
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Theater Guild

In my book, I have Theater Guild starting on 12/6/43 (s/b 12/7/43) - 2/29/44
, CBS, Tue at 10 pm and were sustained.  They were then called Theater Guild
Dramas.  I don't have the source for this information.  According to the
following I could be wrong.  Could someone verify this and let both of us know?

I am in the middle of finishing a dissertation on the Theatre Guild's
broadcasting ventures and I have a question about John Dunning's entry for
"Theatre Guild on the Air."  He mentions a sustaining CBS precursor to the
later ABC and NBC series sponsored by US Steel. Buxton and Owen do as well.
Dunning places  the show on Tuesdays at 10:00 beginning in December 1943 and
continuing to February 1944.  They mention it as being at 10 on Thursdays
1943 with no dates.  In my archival research on the Theatre Guild I have
found no mention of this show, and the Guild was very protective of the use
of its name.  Additionally, the Tuesday time slot Dunning references was
occupied by "Romance" from 30 November 1943 until 22 February 1944 and there
was no drama on Thursdays at 10. I would very much like to find evidence of
this show which appears to have existed.  The reason I am contacting you, is
that Helen Dunning believes John got his information on the show from your
logs.  I would appreciate any information you can give me.  I have access to
newspaper listings and the resources of the Library of American Broadcasting
here at Maryland, so if you could point me in the right direction I can take
it from there.

Rick Tharp
Theatre Department
University of Maryland at College Park <rkt@[removed];

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:00:00 -0400
From: mikeandzachary@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Finding OTR in strange places

I was watching an episode of the FX series SON OF THE BEACH the other
night. One of the main characters explained, in a supposedly American
Indian tongue, how the local tribe didn't want a casino on their land.
Included in the "Indian" phrase were the words "Algonquin Calhoun."
It's good to know that someone on that show was an AMOS 'N' ANDY fan.

Mike

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:00:15 -0400
From: "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  The Golden Age of Radio with Dick Bertel and
 Ed Corcoran

The latest edition of "Golden Age of Radio" programs
with Dick Bertel and Ed Corcoran, can be heard at
[removed]

This week we present three complete shows in MP3
format for your listening pleasure or for downloading.
We present new shows every week or so.

 Program 68 - November, 1975 - Humphrey Davis

Humphrey Davis recalls his start on WTIC and his
subsequent career as a network character actor in
New York. Among his roles were the father of the
detective in "Nick Carter," and Sgt. Ernest Heath,
the title character's police force adversary on
"Philo Vance." We'll also hear an excerpt from the
Mutual show, "The Wizard of the Black Castle."

Program 69 - December, 1975 - Jean Burnett

Jean Burnett was a child actress on many major
network radio shows, including "Coast to Coast
on a Bus", "The Rudy Vallee Show" and "The
Telephone Hour."

Program 70 - January, 1976 - William N. Robson

William N. Robson was one of the premier directors
in radio; first among the shows he's most identified
with is "Suspense." "Suspense" advertised itself as
"radio's outstanding theater of thrills" and was heard in
one form or another from 1942 through 1962. There
were approximately 945 episodes broadcast during its
long run.

In the 1970's Dick Bertel created the program for WTIC in
Hartford, CT. The idea came to Dick after he interviewed radio
collector-historian Ed  Corcoran a few times on his radio and
TV shows. "The Golden Age of Radio was first broadcast in
April, 1970;  Ed was Dick's co-host.

For the next seven years the program featured interviews with
actors, writers, producers, engineers and musicians from radio's
early days. Each show featured excerpts from Ed's collection.

"WTIC's Golden Age of Radio" can also be heard Saturday nights
on Walden Hughes's program on Radio Yesteryear.

Bob Scherago
Webmaster

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:00:22 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  9-22 births/deaths

September 22nd births

09-22-1875 - Guy Bates Post - Seattle, WA - d. 1-16-1968
actor: Ulysses S. Grant "Roses and Drums"
09-22-1895 - Paul Muni - Lemberg, Austria-Hungary - d. 8-25-1967
actor: "Free Company"; "Radio Hall of Fame"
09-22-1900 - Hanley Stafford - Hanley, Staffordshire, England - d. 9-9-1968
actor: Mr. Higgins "Baby Snooks Show"; Julius C. Dithers "Blondie"
09-22-1902 - John Houseman - Bucharest, Romania - d. 10-31-1988
writer, producer: "Mercury Theatre on the Air"; "Campbell Playhouse"
09-22-1904 - Clarence Nash - Watonga,  Oklahoma Territory - d. 2-20-1985
actor: (voice of Donald Duck) "Mickey Mouse Theatre of the Air"
09-22-1910 - Del Courtney - Oakland, CA
bandleader: "Kodak Camera Show"
09-22-1914 - Martha Scott - Jamesport, MO - d. 5-28-2003
actress: Alice Blair "Career of Alice Blair"; "Somerset Maugham Theatre"
09-22-1915 - Arthur Lowe - Hayfield, Derbyshire, England - d. 4-15-1982
actor: Captain George Mainwaring "Dad's Army"
09-22-1915 - Vincent Donehue - Whitehall, NY - d. 1-17-1966
actor: Neil Davison "Home of the Brave"
09-22-1917 - Richard C. Hottelet - New York City, NY
news correspondent: CBS news correspondent in Europe and New York
09-22-1918 - Betty Wragge - New York City, NY
actress: Peggy Davis "Red Davis"; Peggy Young "Pepper Young's Family
09-22-1926 - Sybil Trent - Brooklyn, NY - d. 6-5-2000
actress: "Let's Pretend"; Thelma "As the Twig is Bent/We Love and Learn"

September 22nd deaths

01-03-1897 - Marion Davies - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-22-1961
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
01-23-1899 - Jospeh Nathan Kane - New York City, NY - d. 9-22-2002
writer: "Break the Bank"
03-14-1900 - Bernie Cummins - Akron, OH - d. 9-22-1986
bandleader: "Coca-Cola Spotlight Bands Program"; "Fitch Bandwagon"
03-24-1885 - Joseph Granby - Boston, MA - d. 9-22-1965
actor: Mead Connors "We Are Always Young"
04-11-1893 - Lou Holtz - San Francisco, CA - d. 9-22-1980
comedian: "Fleischmann Hour"; "Kraft Music Hall"
05-11-1888 - Irving Berlin - Temum, Russia - d. 9-22-1989
composer: "Ed Sullivan Show"; "People's Platform"
05-14-1917 - Norman Luboff - Chicago, IL - d. 9-22-1987
choir director: (The Norman Luboff Choir) "The Railroad Hour"
07-21-1920 - Isaac Stern - Kreminiecz, Ukraine, USSR - d. 9-22-2001
violinist: "Jack Benny Program"; "New York Philharmonic"
09-13-1914 - Leonard Feather - London, England - d. 9-22-1994
composer: "Esquire Jazz Concert"; "Mildred Bailey Show"; "One Night Stand'
10-01-1898 - Curtiss Arnall - Cheyenne, WY - d. 9-22-1964
actor: Buck Rogers, "Buck Rogers"
12-24-1893 - Harry Warren - New York City, NY - d. 9-22-1981
composer: "Good News of 1940"; "Great Moments to Music"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:00:31 -0400
From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Glenn Strange
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I don't think it is correct that Glenn Strange played the Frankenstein monster
in more than one Universal film, that one being "Abbott and Costello Meet
Frankenstein".  However, I could be wrong.  But while you are talking about
Glenn Strange, you must include his portrayal of Butch Cavendish, the
arch-enemy of The Lone Ranger, in the 3-part series that opened the television
program in 1949.

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Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 14:01:06 -0400
From: "David S. Siegel" <otrdsiegel@[removed];
To: OTR DIGEST <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR Research: Finding the information

What follows is a message from my wife and partner.

Some recent postings have highlighted the challenges associated with
researching archival material in libraries.

Much material exists. The problem is:  how to find out what's out there,
where it's located and how to access it.

Several months ago, after hearing so many OTR researchers share their
frustrations about this problem, the researcher in me decided that it was
time to do something about it. With the help of my husband David as my
partner, I decided to actually research the existence of these special
collections throughout the United States and publish the information in a
single book -- A Resource Guide to the Golden Age of Radio.

If I knew then what I know now, I probably would never have started the
project; there's a lot more information out there than I ever imagined,
much of it tucked away in little known academic and public libraries,
historical societies, and local and regional museums. Right now, we have
about 1,900 collections listed in the book.

As I send off this posting, David and I are in the final stages of putting
the book together. We're hoping that the book will be available sometime in
December.

And yes, the Resource Guide  will include a lengthy discussion on how to
deal with many of the problems discussed in the earlier postings.

The book will also include a select OTR bibliography (about 1,300 listings)
and a listing of Internet sites with material of interest to
researchers.  And -- a single Index combining the listings for all three
sections.

If you have any suggestions on repositories that you think we should
contact, please let us know ASAP and we'll try to check them out before we
go to press.

Susan Siegel
bookhunterpress@[removed]
(A spouse who was bitten by the OTR bug)

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