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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 391
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: Breaking Japanese Codes           [ "Bill Orr" <billorr6@[removed]; ]
      Don [removed]                          [ "timl2002" <timl2002@[removed]; ]
      Johnny Olsen                          [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
      new live OTR show on Yesterday USA    [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      what year                             [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      CBS Radio Workshop - More             [ Steven Kelez <otrsteve@[removed]; ]
      OTR on NJN (A PBS Affiliate)          [ Paula Keiser <pkeiser@[removed]; ]
      Hall of Fantasy - original shows      [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
      war codes                             [ "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed] ]
      Rod Roddy                             [ Richard Olday <raolday@[removed]; ]
      Remley on Benny                       [ "Mike Mackey" <[removed]@[removed] ]
      hilarious bit                         [ "William Schell" <bschell@[removed] ]
      Lawrence Welk/Charlie Stumpf          [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
      "War of the Worlds" in Canada?        [ "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@hotmail ]
      Walter Winchell's & Dorothy Thompson  [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
      CBS Radio Workshop                    [ "Audio Classics (R) Archive" <cus ]
      GODFREY -- HINDENBURG RELATED         [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      ORIGINAL HOSTS/ANNOUNCERS             [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      WOTW contest                          [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]

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    Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:27:06 -0500
    From: "Bill Orr" <billorr6@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Breaking Japanese Codes

    Ted (welsa@[removed]) was uncertain whether Midway was AR or AF.

    It was AF, not AR.  The Japanese had an extensive list of geographical
    "designators" for the entire Pacific region, including their own locations.
    The first letter designated  in a given group indicated "ownership" or
    controlling interest.  The group would contain up to three letters and
    sometimes a numeral in descending order of location (for want of a better
    term).  [removed]"A" indicated all American Pacific Possessions.  AH was
    Hawaii, AFH was islands in the Hawaiian chain, AA was Wake Island and AF was
    Midway, AO was the Aleutians and AOB was Kiska.
    Similarly,  "D" indicated the Australian area where DG was Ceylon, DS was
    Sydney and DP was Darwin.  Their own possessions were indicated by the
    initial "R".  RY was the Gilbert Islands, RX the Solomons, RX1 was
    Guadalcanal and RR was Rabaul.  And so it [removed]!

    Regards,

    Bill Orr
    Tulsa, OK

    Member: Naval Cryptologic Veterans Association

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    Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:49:30 -0500
    From: "timl2002" <timl2002@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Don [removed]

    If you ever get to see an Episode of the Jack Benny TV [removed] is
    definitely on the portly [removed] was a joke on one of the TV shows
    where Jack comes out trying to wear Don's [removed] they are several sizes
    too big for Jack.

    Tim Lones

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    Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:50:06 -0500
    From: <otrbuff@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Johnny Olsen

    Dixson Hayes inquires:

    Didn't Don Pardo do at least part of that early run on NBC?

    I don't think so.  Johnny Olsen was on The Price Is Right from day one, Nov.
    26, 1956.  And who was the host those first nine years?  Bill Cullen.
    Source:  The Encyclopedia of Daytime Television by Wesley Hyatt.

    I have a suspicion Dixson may be thinking of Jeopardy, on which Mr. Pardo
    introduced host Art Fleming for many years.  I attended a taping of that
    program in New York in 1970.  Fleming, incidentally, was about the least
    personable emcee one could imagine.  Whereas some came out and worked the
    crowd before show time and developed a rapport between themselves and their
    fans, Fleming didn't show his face until Pardo introduced him after the tape
    began rolling, then appeared with his flashing smile and customary "Thank
    you Don Pardo and thank you friends!"  When the show was over, he
    immediately split.  I came away with the impression he wasn't about to give
    us anything he wasn't paid for doing.

    I digress.  I really don't believe Pardo was ever on The Price Is Right
    unless as a contestant.

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:50:24 -0500
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  new live OTR show on Yesterday USA

    Hi Everybody,

    starting on next Monday morning 11-3-03 there will be a new three hour live
    on Yesterday USA at [removed]  The show is from 9 AM to noon
    Eastern time and will play mostly Old Time Radio shows that has not been
    heard for a while or via telephone request at (972) 889-2455.  On Wednesday
    replay of past interview will be heard.  If there any one that you have miss
    you can request them too.  Bill Bragg is the host of the show.  Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:50:35 -0500
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  what year

    Hi Everybody,

    I was talking to my friend Bryan over the weekend and a we tried to come up
    with a year that radio started to hit its stride during the golden days.  I
    am thinking radio show line up with in place. Soaps, kind shows, comedies,
    drama, music shows, news broadcasts, ECT, and when did radio reach its peak?
    Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:51:03 -0500
    From: Steven Kelez <otrsteve@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  CBS Radio Workshop - More

    Just to add more to the confusion regarding the CBS Radio Workshop, I have 85 programs listed
    at the Radio Showcase web site. That includes the Joe Miller's Jokes program, though I don't
    have it listed as Colloquy #4. As to the mysterious Carl Sandburg episode, I do believe I have
    a copy of it somewhere on a reel. As I remember, the program was recorded off the air by a very
    early collector living in Florida. Unfortunately the sound quality is so poor that it's very
    hard to listen to.

    Steven Kelez
    RADIO SHOWCASE
    [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:52:31 -0500
    From: Paula Keiser <pkeiser@[removed];
    To: OTR List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR on NJN (A PBS Affiliate)

>     If as many of you as possible could view the following link and write to
>     Peggy George (pgeorge@[removed]) with a cc: to Desiree Taylor
>     (dtaylor@[removed]) that would be great! Also, please forward the link to
>     anyone you know who might be interested but may not be on this list.

>     Please click here to view the clip:
>     [removed].  You'll need
>     Windows media player or a compatible technology to watch it.

    If you want to view the video, you must see it before Friday, October 31
    at 6:00 pm.  It is the entire NJN News show from last Friday and will be
    replaced by this week's Friday show at that time.

    After that date, you may order a copy of the show by contacting NJN Video
    at 609-777-5093.  Tell them it's NJN News from 10/24.

    As one of the web people at NJN, I MIGHT be able to get the show's
    on-line life extended at another URL within [removed], if there's any
    interest.  Please e-mail me directly at pkeiser@[removed].  If I have
    enough response, I'll look into it.

    Paula Keiser
    NJN Web Technician, and student of OTR

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    Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:17:01 -0500
    From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hall of Fantasy - original shows

    Hi Gang -

    In issue 390, regarding the Hall of Fantasy, Frank Passage wrote:

>      ... In fact, none of the 112 shows from 1949 through 1952
>      have surfaced. ...

    Not quite.  I recorded "The Cask of Amontillado" from the WGN
    broadcast in 1951 (or 1952).   I put it into general circulation in
    the 1960's.

    You can tell this program by the use of the Pipe Organ (not the timpany)
    and the lack of commercials.  I was only 14 when I taped this program and
    not smart enough to start the tape before the broadcast began.  The very
    beginning of this program is missing.  The story starts with the words,
    "Feasting and Merrymaking".  I also started the tape abruptly after I
    eliminated the commercials (ugh).

    Most like there is a better version circulating, but if you hear this one,
    you may
    rest assured that it's one of the 112 shows from 1949 thru 1952.

    Happy Taping --  Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois

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    Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:02:58 -0500
    From: "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  war codes

    There is no question that breaking the Japanese and German secret codes
    helped us win the war.  I wonder if they broke any of our secret codes.  One
    code they didn't break was the Navajo code talker.  The OTR connection to
    this was that when they logged on they would say ...."This is Tonto to Lone
    Ranger." Then they would converse in the Navajo language.  The code was
    never broken."  Clever those Yanks.

    Roby McHone
    Fairbanks, Alaska-where we usually have a white Halloween

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    Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:03:24 -0500
    From: Richard Olday <raolday@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Rod Roddy

    Jim Cox was wondering about Rod's radio career. Yes,
    he was a DJ for WKBW radio in Buffalo, NY during the
    1960's. Since they have a 50,000 watt signal, he was
    heard in most of the northeast & southeast Canada. KB
    was one of the early giants in rock & roll and is now
    back to a music format featuring top 40 (not  only top
    10) music from the 50's through the 70's.

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    Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:22:44 -0500
    From: "Mike Mackey" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Remley on Benny

    The real Frank Remley made at least one appearance on Jack Benny's TV
    program. However, I know of no appearance by Elliot Lewis playing the
    part of Remley on TV.

    Elliot Lewis fans know well the story about how the real Remley
    recommended that Lewis play him in the Harris/Faye radio show after
    rehearsals proved that he (Remley) simply wasn't funny.  Lewis wasn't
    just playing a fictional character. There really was a Frank Remley,
    guitar-playing member of the band that played on the Jack Benny
    program.

    According to Lewis, the whole "Frankie as a drunken, lousy guitar
    player" got started because Benny found the name "Frankie Remley"
    funny, just the way it rolled off his tougue. (He was right, I think.
    It is a funny name.) This running gag went on for some time
    culminating in the Frankie part on the spin-off series "Phil
    Harris/Alice Faye show." But Frankie himself didn't think he could
    carry the part of playing himself and recommended actor Elliot Lewis.

    Later, over legal and/or financial issues, it was decided to change
    the Frankie character's name. What did they change it to?
    Well, "Elliot Lewis", of course. So, instead of Remley playing
    Remley, it was Lewis playing Remley and, finally, Lewis playing Lewis.

    The episode with Frankie Remley I am thinking of is often referred to
    as "The Hillbilly" episode. It is available on DVD from Diamond
    Entertainment on their DVD #93009A.

    Because Lewis's face is not well known, I think people are easily
    confused when the real Frank Remley occasionally played himself.
    Here's a clue: Elliot Lewis was a non-musician. The real Remley was a
    professional guitar player. When you see the Remley character playing
    the guitar (as he does in the above mentioned Benny episode) then you
    know that it is the real Frank Remley.

    Mike Mackey

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    Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:32:39 -0500
    From: "William Schell" <bschell@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  hilarious bit

    I have really enjoyed a bit heard on several Fibber McGee & Molly shows.
    The last I heard it was on "Circus Day" 5-16-1950. I this bit Fibber and
    Molly run into a guy and he immediately gets their  last name mixed up.
    Then they screw up his name.  The thing goes on and on with all actors
    getting everything mixed up and it is hilarious. I find it similar to the
    confusion between McGee and the mayor in some (I would assume later)
    broadcasts.  Does this back and forth misunderstanding bit have a name and
    does anyone know what was behind it and how long it was used.
    Thanks
    Bill Schell
    Magalia, Ca

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    Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:34:17 -0500
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Lawrence Welk/Charlie Stumpf
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    Hi Gang!

    I apologise profusely for taking so long to reply to my "Cinnamon" buddy
    Dennis Crow out there in Oregon. I only have access to the Internet at work,
    and today (10/29) is my first day back after about ten days off in
    conjunction with the FOTR convention and my 41st birthday. Mr. Crow wrote:

    Derek   "It's me again, again"   Tague in another of his complex posts uses
    the term "Welk crowd."

    Perhaps he could explain what "Welk crowd" means.

    In my original post, I had made mention of a bawdy vaudeville-era song called
    "Frankfurter Sandwiches," which was rife with double-entendres, and how I
    once heard it performed by sweet young thing Mary Lou Metzger on the
    "Lawrence Welk Show." I further queried how a song like that got past the
    "Welk crowd."  Please rest assured that I was not referring to the the Welk
    AUDIENCE, who already have an undeserved reputation for being banally
    white-bread with pedestrian tastes. I happen to be part of that audience;
    watching LW's reruns on PBS is a guilty pleasure nowadays, although I have to
    admit that there was a time during my adolescence when my sister Gwen and I
    along with our friends would watch it in the mid-1970s just to laugh at how
    "corny" we thought it was
     .When I used the phrase "Welk crowd," I meant Lawrence Welk and his production
    team. If you're familiar with the "Frankfurter" song, you'd have to admit
    that it's kinda racy for the LW Show. Wasn't a young ingenue singer (Natalie
    Nevins? Andra Willis? don't quote me) dismissed from the "Welk" cast for
    showing off too much knee with her raised hemlines circa 1967?
    So, please, take comfort that no disparagement was intended towards L. Welk's
    audience. I'm kinda glad that the "Frankfurter Sandwiches" made it past
    Standards & Practices.

    I realise that this posting might not make it in time for 10/29, but I would
    like to take this opportunity to extend a specail Happy Birthday to OTR
    actor,  archivist, and author CHARLIE STUMPF. He was born 74 years ago today
    on the dubious date of the 10-29-1929 Wall Street stock-market crash.
    Charlie is one of the original members of FOTR re-creation group "the Dave
    Warren Players;" the co-author of the book "Heavenly Days," a phenomenal
    history of the "Fibber McGee & Molly" programme; and an all-round nice guy.
    I'm not sure if Mr. Stumpf receives the Internet and this beloved OTR Digest.
    If anybody reading this speaks with him, please send him my regards!

    The FOTR convention here in my home Garden State was indeed quite fun. I
    highly recommend it to all of my fellow ether-ites. I've already started
    saving up for next year's extravaganza. Kudos to Jay Hickerson for another
    great presentation! Lotsa praise for re-creation directors Gary Yoggy,
    Anthony Tollin, Bill Nadel, John Gallagher, Arthur Anderson, Steve Lewis and
    Max Schmid, and the Absegami Players. Great panels, too, from Brian Gari,
    Stuart Weiss, Mitch Weisberg, Jack French, Michael Hayde, Jim Nixon, George
    Downes, and everybody else on the dais or behind-the-scenes. I'd like to
    congratulate Award winners of the Alan Rockford Award [presented to
    individuals who work for the furtherance of the OTR hobby particularly in
    conjunction with the FOTR convention]: Dave Zwengler, Lora Palmer, and the
    Digest's own Sean Dougherty; the Ray Stanich Award [presented to OTR authors]
    presented to Howard Blue (also a regular post-er here); and the Florence
    Williams Award [presented to OTR professionals who regularly attend FOTR and
    participate in re-creations] which went to our favourite "Jughead" Hal Stone.

    It's great to see Lee Munsick, the "Sage of Appomattox,"  back in full-stride
    and contributing to the Digest [removed] I better depart now lest I begin
    to rival my ol' Virginny pal when it comes to name-dropping.

    "Thanks-for-the-sandwiches! Thanks-for-the-sandwiches!"

    That Derek

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    Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:12:14 -0500
    From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "War of the Worlds" in Canada?

    Sorry if this has been addressed already this year, but since my dad's been
    in and out of the hospital for the last five months (!), I have no less than
    three months' worth of digests to plow through before the end of the year!
    ;-)

    I know that the first few weeks of "The Mercury Theatre On-The-Air" were
    simulcast by Columbia in the States and the CBC in Canada. That was when it
    ran on Monday nights during the Summer of '38, and Dan Seymour announced
    both networks at the top of each broadcast. Did the CBC continue the
    broadcasts when the series was renewed and moved to Sunday nights that
    Autumn, and, thus, did the CBC also broadcast the "War of the Worlds"
    program? If not, does anybody know which, if any, Canadian stations did? I
    seem to recall a few years back that someone stated on the Digest that CFRB
    in Toronto was affiliated with CBS for a spell in the '30s; perhaps they
    aired the broadcast locally?

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    Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:12:26 -0500
    From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Walter Winchell's & Dorothy Thompson's shows

    An author/filmmaker is interested in finding some old  anti-fascist
    broadcasts from the 30s by Walter Winchell and Dorothy  Thompson from
    their nationally syndicated shows. can someone help?

    Thanks,

    Howard Blue

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    Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:13:13 -0500
    From: "Audio Classics (R) Archive"   <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  CBS Radio Workshop
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    Mike Kerezman asked the question about the number of programs for CBS Radio
    Workshop and Frank Passage responded with additional information and a
    question regarding three "open" dates.  If you check my log on my website,
    you'll see that there were two pre-empted dates and 86 shows that aired.  If
    there is a 87th broadcast, I'm not aware of it.  I have titles (and stars) for
    10/26/56 and 01/06/57 and all the rest of the broadcasts.

    Terry

    Terry Salomonson
    Audio Classics Archive
    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:51:43 -0500
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  GODFREY -- HINDENBURG RELATED

    Godfrey, hired by CBS for local programming, was given his network
    opportunity following his description of the Roosevelt funeral.

    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 08:51:50 -0500
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  ORIGINAL HOSTS/ANNOUNCERS

    Much prefer Art Flemming as host of Jeopardy over the pompous Alex
    Trebek.

    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 15:00:40 -0500
    From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  WOTW contest

    This morning the classical radio station's Brainstorm contest was a simple
    question. What was the theme music for the War of the Worlds?

    Care to guess?

    Joe Salerno
    Video Works! Is it working for you?
    PO Box 273405 - Houston TX 77277-3405 [removed]

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