Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #332
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Date: 8/22/2002 9:03 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 332
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      OTR cigarette commercials             [ "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed] ]
      sfx apples, oranges                   [ ClifSr@[removed] ]
      New Bickersons book                   [ Ivan G Shreve Jr <iscreve@[removed] ]
      Jeff Corey                            [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
      Jeff Corey                            [ [removed]@[removed] ]
      Those Candy Cigarettes                [ "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed] ]
      Walter [removed] Happened?         [ JPurc64093@[removed] ]
      Sound effects                         [ "Holm, Chris " <[removed]@delphiau ]
      Victor, RCA and EMI                   [ "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed]; ]
      need to have custom CD made           [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
      Re: Lone Ranger Town                  [ Shenbarger@[removed] ]
      More on "the magic TV set in George'  [ John Henley <jhenley@[removed] ]
      Brace Beemer-Announcer                [ Dancingdays72777@[removed] ]
      another WOTW quote                    [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
      Jack Benny and Mrs. Bergen            [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:47:46 -0400
    From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR cigarette commercials

       Even tho I can't tolerate cigarette smoke within 30 yards/meters of me
    (indoors, outdoors, anydoors) I can tolerate OTR cigarette commercials.  In
    fact I enjoy them; they are, to me, nostalgic and interesting historically
    and I'm a nostalgia and cultural-history buff.

       As a kid in the '40s, cigarette commercials amused me then and were part
    of the overall radio listening experience.  But I never found the *use* of
    that product appealing (to say the least). But I suppose those commercials
    did influence many other young people.

       Several cigarette companies sponsored major OTR shows but at the moment I
    can't recall a single *cigar* company sponsoring any major OTR program -- at
    least in the 1940s.

       -- Phil C.

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:47:30 -0400
    From: ClifSr@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  sfx apples, oranges

         Upon  reading the bouquets and brickbats tossed at me after my post that
    started it all with  the idea that we geezers are in a postion to compare
    contemporary radio drama with the "real thing,"   I must modify that
    statement.   I'm in a position to make that comparison but it's foolish to do
    so.  It's the old "apples and oranges" thing.  It's also dumb to lump all
    currently produced audio theater together, put it in a box and say I don't
    like it.    MAD (modern audio drama) has little in common with NTR (new time
    radio) and they're both a lot different from OTR.  Thanks to all who
    responded with some most  thoughtful and thought provoking comments. My brain
    is exploding from too many acronyms

                                        Clif Martin

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:48:13 -0400
    From: Ivan G Shreve Jr <iscreve@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio Mailing List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  New Bickersons book

    I've been reading the new Bickersons Scripts book, edited by our very own
    Ben Ohmart, and I have to tell you, it's a great read and a nice buy.
    (Totally unsolicited opinion, by the way; I am not affiliated with Mr. O or
    BearManorMedia in any form or manner.)

    What I'm enjoying most about the book is the inclusion of scripts from the
    ENTIRE Old Gold Program, not just the John and Blanche skits.  I've never
    been able to fathom why most of the Bickersons material I have (mostly the
    Radiola album and 3-album set) just seemed content to showcase the
    Bickersons skits--the parts of the program featuring Frank Morgan, announcer
    Marvin Miller and orchestra leader Carmen Dragon are falling-down funny.

    If you don't own a copy of this book yet, do so.  I heartily recommend it.

    Ivan
    --
    "I know I'm [removed] as long as I make 'em laugh they're not gonna lock me
    up." -- Red Skelton

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:34:11 -0400
    From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jeff Corey

    I was very sorry to read about the death of Jeff Corey. I had a very
    interesting and enjoyable conversation with him a few years ago when I
    was interviewing him for my book, "Words at War." As I recall, there is a
    very interesting interview of him in "Tender Comrades", a book about the
    blacklist by Paul Buhle. Someone asked if Corey did radio. He did indeed.

    Howard Blue

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 10:57:49 -0400
    From: [removed]@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jeff Corey

    I first came across Jeff Corey as Luke Benson (?) in the 1952 episode of
    "Superman and the Mole Men", the first George Reeves' "Superman" portrayal.

    A quick review of [removed] reveals his rich history of credits; I was
    pleased to note that he recently voiced cartoons on TV (Spiderman, etc.).

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:40:36 -0400
    From: "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Those Candy Cigarettes

    I remember the candy [removed] the hard sugar kind that were
    in replica packs like the real [removed]  I never much cared for them as
    they were just overly sweet sugary tasting.  So no impetus to smoke there
    for [removed]
    But the ones I really was hooked on were the chocolate [removed]
    remember them coming in a fancy cigarette box with thin paper around
    [removed] half the time we ate the darned paper while woofing them
    down.  You couldn't go around with them in your mouth long as the paper
    almost disolved and the chocolate melted.  These were only available to me
    in a fancy drug store, in a glass case with a price higher than my small
    allowance would [removed] every once in awhile, I got my elders to
    buy them for me as a treat.
    With all that said, when I was older, I tried a cigarette and inhaled
    [removed] made me so sick I never went near them again.
    Tom Mason

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:40:49 -0400
    From: JPurc64093@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Walter [removed] Happened?

    Walter Tetley was the voice of (among many others) Leroy on "The Great
    Gildersleeve," Julius on " Phil Harris, Alice Faye Show" and Sherman on
    "Rocky and Bullwinkle." He was one of the most popular voice-over and radio
    artists of the 40's, 50's and into the 1960's. He then seems to have fallen
    off the face of the earth. I have heard stories that after a serious
    motorcycle accident he ended up dying poor and alone in a trailer park
    outside of [removed] in 1975. Can anyone tell me what happened to him? And if the
    story above is true, why did a man that worked so much and seemed to have so
    amny friends in the business die broke and alone?

    John Purchase

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 11:48:40 -0400
    From: "Holm, Chris " <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Sound effects

    In #331, Stephen Kallis wrote:

>     However, a car driving in the distance (complete with
>     three-stage representations of gear shifting in the
>     pre-automatic-transmission days) was easier to simulate
>     with a recording than by any studio gadget.

    I've always wondered about this sound effect.  It seems like I keep hearing
    the same sequence over and over again.  Not just a car driving, but the exact
    same recording.  I first noticed it while listening to a sequence of Green
    Hornets back to back.  The non-black beauty cars always sounded the same.
    Now, I expect this within a show, but soon I started to hear this same car
    everywhere. I haven't thought about it in a while so I can't remember
    specific examples, but Stephen's post reminded me about it.  Sometimes, I'll
    be listening to a show and think "there's that car again."

    Am I just going crazy, or would a recorded effect like this be widespread
    over different shows on different networks, at different times, by different
    producers?

    -Chris Holm

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:08:44 -0400
    From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Victor, RCA and EMI

    Lee Munsick (leemunsick@[removed]) wrote:

>     It is said that the original (His Master's Voice) painting is valued so
>     highly that during World War II it was shipped out into the country and
>     buried safely away during The Battle of Britain.  I am told that when deemed
>     safe, it was returned.  It hangs in the Board Room of what is now EMI, the
>     parent company of numerous recording companies and labels around the world.

    This can be seen in the book "The Beatles' Recording Sessions," in a 1963
    photo, and in the Paul McCartney film "Give My Regards to Broad Street."

>     Barraud was paid a reasonable fee for the painting and rights thereto.  He
>     made a good living painting exact oil copies for various record company
>     distributors and other representatives.

    One of these reportedly is in the Capitol Tower in Hollywood; at least one
    is believed to be owned by JVC (Victor Company of Japan), which still uses
    the logo on its Japan-market products.

>     Then of course there's the sad story of the transition of the traditional
>     logo of RCA --erstwhile owner of NBC in its three network guises--when its
>     lightning stroke grounded out, and the replacement became the "Studebaker"
>     of monograms, when onlookers couldn't tell whether it was coming or going.
>     If you don't follow the analogy, go look at it.

    I suspect the artist had to do this to provide a link to the slanted A in
    the old RCA logo.  My guess is that the new (1968) RCA logo was inspired by
    traces on the printed circuits that they were advertising heavily back then.
    (RCA was trying to counter Zenith's promotion of "handcrafted" circuitry; in
    1966 they ran ads comparing the "solid copper circuits" in RCA color TVs to
    those in RCA-built satellites, and in 1969 they tried a more direct attack
    by referring to their sets as "Computer Crafted Color.)

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:32:09 -0400
    From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  need to have custom CD made

    I would like to hire someone to make up a custom CD (with some OTR
    content) for me that I would like to give away as a promotional gimmick

    Would anyone with the capability of doing this and making 100-200 copies
    please contact me off line

    Thanks

    Howard Blue

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:32:36 -0400
    From: Shenbarger@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Lone Ranger Town

    In a message dated 8/21/2002 9:33:54 AM Central Daylight Time, Frank Kendall
    writes:

>     When
>      Cheerios started putting western town buildings on
>      their packages though I had to get all of them so I
>      would know where the bank, saloon and other buildings
>      were when I listened to the program. It was fun
>      cutting these off of the packages and pasting them
>      together.

    That is an interesting way to add to the radio experience. You can find an
    example of the Lone Ranger town on this cereal box web site. Just follow the
    links to [removed]

    [removed]

    There were other towns and sets too according to this OTR premiums [removed]

    [removed]

    Don Shenbarger

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 19:33:18 -0400
    From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  More on "the magic TV set in George's den"

    Elizabeth answered W. Gary W.'s query about the origin
    of "the magic TV set in George's den" by citing the film
    "The Big Broadcast of 1936":

>     Burns and Allen have a key role ... with George trying to sell
>     broadcasting executive
>     Jack Oakie his latest invention -- a futuristic television set which can
>     monitor the activities of anyone, anywhere. Burns and Allen demonstrate
>     the device to Oakie by tuning in on various specialty bits done by radio
>     [removed]

    Thought I'd mention that this is a variant of a key plotline in an
    earlier Paramount feature comedy, "International House" (1933),
    also with Jack Oakie.  In that instance, the "magic tv set" is the product
    of a Chinese inventor (played by Edmund Breese) who has invited
    representatives of major countries to bid on his device.  By way of
    demonstration, he tunes in radio acts including Rudy Vallee, Stoopnagle
    and Budd, Baby Rose Marie,  and Cab Calloway.  George and Gracie are
    in this one too, as the hotel doctor and his, um, nurse.  Mind you,
    our viewing of all the specialty acts is a "mistake" - the inventor is
    trying all along to tune in a six-day bicycle race.

    "International House" is one of my favorite movies, and one of the
    reasons is that the musical numbers are all done "live", no post-
    syncing.  This is also true of 1932's "The Big Broadcast" - ALSO
    featuring George and Gracie - and I'm certain, on repeat viewings,
    that the Calloway segment, if not all the other specialties too, were
    left over from "Big Broadcast."  I'm not sure BB is presently in
    circulation, and it doesn't seem to be on video yet.  About 5 years ago
    it got a few showings on cable, and I found it almost as delightful as
    "International House" if only because it contains a wonderful live-
    take duet between Bing Crosby and his guitarist Eddie Lang, on the
    song "Please."

    One more thing:  "International House" was under production
    when the Hollywood earthquake of 1933 took place, and it's the
    source of the oft-seen "blooper" take involving W. C. Fields and
    Franklin Pangborn exiting the set as things start to shake.  But
    if you watch the released film, there's also a scene with [removed],
    Peggy Hopkins Joyce, and Breese, in which as they're talking
    a "bang" is heard from off-screen; you can see Peggy Joyce look
    startled and glance towards the director, and Edmund Breese
    also, more subtly, looks toward the director - I guess they were
    expecting him to call "cut" but he lets the shot proceed, and there
    it is in the film.  It suggests that all involved are still uneasy
    from the earlier quaking.
    John Henley

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:32:51 -0400
    From: Dancingdays72777@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Brace Beemer-Announcer
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    At what point was Brace Beemer the ANNOUNCER on The Lone [removed] do any
    episodes still exist where he fillls that role?

    Thanks,

    Matt Cherry

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    Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 23:19:13 -0400
    From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  another WOTW quote

    Said Mrs [removed] Kaltenborn after the WOTW broadcast:

    "Well, everyone should have known that it wasn't real. If it had been,
    the broadcaster would have been Hans"

    Eric Cooper

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    Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 01:45:56 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jack Benny and Mrs. Bergen

>     Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 14:22:38 -0400
>     From: Kubelski@[removed]

>     John Mayer recalls Ms. Bergen's appearnce correctly.  I don't own the
>     show, but I have seen it at the Museum of TV and Radio in New York.  The
>     guest star on the program was actually Bergen's wife -- not Bergen and he
>     didn't appear on that show.

    I have the show on video, and perhaps I'll get time to check this
    weekend, but it's my recollection that Candice doesn't appear either.

    I have seen the You Bet Your Life episode with Candy Bergen and Melinda
    Marx, and I have the radio version on a record.  Groucho became a
    contestant along with Edgar Bergen and the girls, and he was a most
    unruly contestant.  As I recall from the TV version, the funniest part
    was the discomfort in Fenniman's face at sitting in Groucho's chair and
    trying to ask the questions.  Unfortunately, only a hint of this comes
    through in the radio version, when, at the end of the segment, Fenniman
    is most anxious for Groucho to resume his chair.

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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