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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 194


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Re: Walter Tetley
	 Martin Kane
	 Zookie vs Pvt Sad Sack
	 John Brown's body (of work)
	 John Collins vs. Vintage Broadcasts
	 metro golden memories
	 Public Domain OTR Shows
	 source of blank tape
	 Magic Records
	 History of Radio Tapes
	 Brahm's Lulaby on ILAM
	 Introduction
	 WB Cartoons to OTR - key

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 15:29:04 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Walter Tetley
Message-Id: <[removed]@dlogics>

JanBach@[removed] (Jan Bach) writes:
>It is true that Walter didn't appear as Leroy in the
>Gildersleeve films of the early forties, but he DID appear in *Gildersleeve
>on Broadway* playing -- what else? -- a jive-talking bellboy.

Speaking of [removed] I asked this last year but got no response; I'll
try this again. In Fred Allen's film "It's in the Bag", there's a scene
in a theatre with a loudmouth bellboy (or elevator operator; I'm don't
remember for sure now) who sounds very much like Walter Tetley. The
credits were of no help, but there were plenty of other OTR actors in
the film. Does anyone else who's seen the movie think that was him?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@[removed]
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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Date: 29 May 96 17:59:52 EDT
From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Martin Kane
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Sam Levene wrote about the Martin Kane show
>William Gargan was the actor who played Martin Kane both on radio and initially
on TV.  
> His replacements  (I think Lloyd Nolan and Lee Tracy) were never as good, as I
recall 

I liked William Gargan, too.  He had a great radio voice, although he was
primary a TV/Movie actor.   The radio version of MARTIN KANE was actually the
soundtrack from the TV show ('49-53), although it wasn't a simulcast -- it aired
on a different night from the TV show in many cities.  The radio show moved from
Mutual to NBC in June, '52 and Gargan was replaced by Lee Tracy; Marc Stevens
took over the part briefly in '53 (Stevens later gained fame as TV's Peter
Gunn).   Stevens was pretty good in the role.  I have no record of Lloyd Nolan
ever  playing the role.

When Gargan left MARTIN KANE, he went back to radio and did a similar show
called  BARRIE CRAIG, CONFIDENTIAL INVESTIGATOR ('51-'55).   If you like Gargan,
this is good show to look for -- quite a few are available.  Gargan also did a
couple of short-lived earlier radio detective shows called I DEAL IN CRIME
('46-'47) and MURDER WILL OUT.

Alan 

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 17:05:55 -0600
From: Chet Cox <CHCOX@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Zookie vs Pvt Sad Sack
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Jan Bach sez:  Charles' reply to Bruce Rudesill about the history of Mel
Blanc's character Sylvester reminds me that he recycled one of his own
characters for his short lived radio show in the late forties; the stuttering
voice of the character Zookie (sp?), some kind of helper for Mel, was
originally used as Mel's "Sad Sack" character on several episodes of a
wartime [removed] Show, perhaps Command Performance or G. I. Journal
(anyone know?) The characters' (both of them) humor was based on
the single joke that they would try several times to pronounce a word
and, when that failed, come up with a synonym for the word they were
trying to say. Always got a laugh in those pre-PC days.
Later,
Jan Bach

I sez:  The show was G. I. Journal, at least on one copy I have here with
Groucho Marx, Lucille Ball, Johnny Weissmuller, Mel Blanc, and the lady
who played both Mrs Fussy and Gran'ma on Red Skelton's show (Verna
Felton?).  The show I have is from a Marx Brothers collection I picked up
at B Dalton months ago (mostly copied from an LP set which I picked up
YEARS ago) and includes the famous "Livingston Marx" sketch.  Other
bits in this set are from [removed] Journal, and leads me to believe that Grouch
was a semi-regular host of this show.  True or false?

*jeep!
~Chet (I think I've finally licked this sig line thing by eliminating it
altogether)

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 18:49:20 -0600
From: bigsteve@[removed] (Steve Darnall)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: John Brown's body (of work)
Message-Id: <v01530500add29fda58ad@[[removed]]>

All these recollections re: the many roles and talents of John Brown
reminded me that he did an enormous amount of work for Fred Allen as well.
Brown, Charlie Cantor and Minerva Pious were regular members of The Mighty
Allen Art Players, and as John Doe, the world's most average man, Brown was
one of the earliest residents of Allen's Alley.

Quite a shame about his blacklisting; I had no idea either. Funnily enough,
just a few weeks ago I recognized him on an episode of "I Love Lucy."

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 21:11:40 -0500
From: vintage@[removed] (Andy Blatt)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: John Collins vs. Vintage Broadcasts
Message-Id: <v01540b01add2add7e133@[[removed]]>

Not only did John Collins send me a private e-mail and not allow me
sufficient time to respond before he sent some public e-mail to the Digest,
he also did not give me the opportunity to rectify the problem he had with
the quality of tapes he received from us.  Wouldn't the other OTR dealers
expect fair treatment ([removed] an opportunity to resolve the problem) before
expecting Mr. Collins to send them an e-mail and ask them to remove his
name from the mailing list?  I think so.  I also think that he would expect
decent treatment if the roles were reversed.

Needless to say, I usually do not ask for tapes to be returned if they need
replacement (and out of several thousand tapes duplicated yearly, very few
are returned).  If there are problems, a refund is sent immediately if the
problem cannot be fixed by a replacement tape or a redub.

In fact, unless my records are incomplete, I don't think we've heard from
Mr. Collins in 1996.  Mr. Collins, we were not in Cincinnati in 1995 or
1996.   Did you wait until you felt ripped-off in Cincinnati in 1996 to
complain openly and PUBLICLY about problems you've experienced with Vintage
Broadcasts?  We have an
address and a toll-free number.  Wouldn't it be normal and decent to
contact us either way instead of attempting to instigate and flame us on
the internet for all to see and read?

Most of us would prefer more ethical treatment (as opposed to the
electronic equivalent of running through the streets complaining).

My apologies to all and especially Lou and Bill.  You are unintentionally
indirectly involved (simply by reading this), but after much consideration,
I didn't think I could allow someone to badmouth us unjustifiably
(especially when this is the first time I have heard of any complaints from
this individual).


Thank You all for your time.  Now back to our regularly-scheduled program.

Andy Blatt
VINTAGE BROADCASTS
42 Bowling Green
Staten Island, NY 10314
1-800-418-1445
vintage@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 21:20:32 -0400
From: KristyM616@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: metro golden memories
Message-ID: <960529212032_403389689@[removed]>

does anyone the 800 number for this shop in Chicago?

Thanks,
Kristy 
KrisyM616@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 22:58:33 -0400
From: bkearns@[removed] (bkearns)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Public Domain OTR Shows
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I am interested in finding out what old time radio shows are in the public
domain.   If you can point me to sources of this information, I would
appreciate it.  Please send any information to my email address below. I
know that these type of discussions can get overwhelming and take away from
discussing OTR, if they are done on the list.  So please email me if you
have any information.   
Bill Kearns              e-mail    bkearns@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 00:28:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "The Cruisin' Quartet" <tenor@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: source of blank tape
Message-ID: <[removed]@explorer2>

I have been trying to buy blank 1800' tape at a resonable price that is
suitable for OTR.  I have been directed to Burlington Audio but they have
been telling me that they are out of the used Ampex 641 for the last
month.

Does anyone know of a supply of used Ampex 641?  Burlington usually
charges about $[removed] per reel.  I am looking to buy about 150 reels.  Hope
someone can help!  Please send me e-mail or write:

Neal Ellis
1505 Puffin Court
Pasadena, Maryland 21122



ANOTHER SUBJECT


Several years ago Radio Yesteryeay was selling long runs of D-Day coverage
from various networks.  Does anyone have a copy of this?  If so I would
be interested in making a trade etc.

I am also looking for radio or tv coverage of the JFK Assassination
whether it is local, regional, national etc.  I have quite a bit of
material.

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 23:20:50 -0400
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Magic Records
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

This is a little off the subject, but I know I wouldn't be the first to go
astray.

When I was a kid, I had a set of 78 records that were called Johnny's Magic
Adventures. The company who put out the record found a way of placing 4
separate grooves on a record, so that each time you started the record you
heard a different groove.

BTW, this was one set of records that kills that old question about how many
grooves on a record.

Anyway, I just wondered if anyone else remembers those records. I still have
the set of two records. Never new if the company who made it ever put out
any more. Kind of a neat idea. Wonder how you could do it today with
cassettes or CDs.

                                        Fred

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 23:16:01 -0400
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: History of Radio Tapes
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Twenty years ago, my gosh how time flies, we were celebrating the
bi-centinal of our country. I also noticed that it was the 50th anniversary
of radio. Some people have jumped on that date saying that radio goes back
before 1926, but most of the networks use that date.

Anyway, to celebrate both anniversaries, I produced a five hour audio
cassette series called "The History of Radio". My attempt was to put as much
and as many programs as I could fit on four tapes.

I started with over 20 hours of material, this was the first edit, and
finally got it down to the five hours. A total of 150 programs. Excerpts of
150 programs to be exact.

I also found a lot in good information on Amos and Andy, so I built a short
history of this show into the first 15 minutes of the tape.

The only reason I am mentioning this is that this little anthology may be
overlooked by many who want to hear a lot of what radio drama sounded like
in a short period of time.

The tape can be ordered throught Satellite Broadcasting and goes for $[removed]
plus shipping. Even after 20 years, I still enjoy listening to the clips on
this tape.

Just thought many of you might also like to hear it.

                                Fred

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Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 21:45:19 -0400
From: Frank_Mallory@[removed] (Frank Mallory)
To: "otr@[removed]"@[removed]
Subject: Brahm's Lulaby on ILAM
Message-ID: <MSGID_1=3A109=[removed]@[removed]>

 o>From: [removed]@[removed]

 o>Does anyone recall an ILAM from 1940 (30 minute format) that took 
 o>place in a castle, probably moved to the [removed] stone by stone from old 
 o>England?  As I remember, every time the organ played !Brahm|s Lullaby! 
 o>someone would be murdered.
 o>Any help would be appreciated

That's easy: "The Case of the Transplanted Castle", from Jan. 6, 1941. I don't
believe this show is in circulation, but I have a synopsis from the "A1
Gazette".

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Date: 30 May 1996 03:43:49 GMT
From: kg@[removed] (KEN GREENWALD)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Introduction
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hello:
My name is Ken Greenwald and I'm new here, as well as new to sending e-mail.
I am the assistant curator of the Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters Radio Archives
in Los Angeles, California. I am also the creative director/producer for 221
"A" Baker Street Associates. As assistant curator of PPB I have had the
distinct honor of knowing such marvelous radio performers and producers such
as Hans Conreid, Barbara Fuller, Hal Peary, Norman Corwin, and others. I have
enjoyed 21 years at PPB and have met and talked to pretty near all the
westcoast actors and people who thrived in the Golden Age of Radio. 
I have only received issues 192 and 193 of the airwaves radio digest, but
find it fascinating. Many questions are asked and I have a pretty good
knowledge of what went on during those golden days, some of the information
directly from the "horses mouth," so to speak. As an example, the reason John
Brown died so young is because, the best of my knowlege, his career as a
performer was effectively killed by the blacklist. He struggled hard to
recover his career, but depression and pain brought him to suicide. Very sad,
as he was a talented and wonderfully giving man. You can also see him in the
film "The Day the Earth Stood Still." He's in the scene at the breakfast
table as he watches [removed] Ironic, isn't it that he is watching a tv set when
he was one of the best radio actors around.
Walter Tetley died in a Van Nuys hospital after a very long illness. He was
born a dwarf and his parent took him to an endrocrinologist who was able to
cure some of his dwarfism. He did grow taller. Had he not gotten that help,
he would have remained one of the "little people," like Billy Barty. Though
he did grow in height, his voice remained the same and he had a young kids
look about him.
As for my work at the Baker Street Associates: My partner and I own a small
audio company and I am proud to say that we produced the 26 cassette radio
series called "The New Adventures of Sherlock Holmes," starring Basil
Rathbone and Nigel Bruce. Though we did not produce the original radio series
(that was Glenhall Taylor), we did release the entire 1945-1946 radio season.
What we added were special introductions by such people, still living, who
were on the original shows, such as Harry Bartell (the announcer), Peggy
Webber (played ingenues on the series), and others. Each special introduction
to these cassettes reveals what it was like working on the show and also much
information on Sherlock Holmes. 
I am presently working on another radio series called More New Adventures of
Sherlock Holmes, starring Tom Conway and Nigel Bruce, in the 1946-1947 radio
series. It's great fun working with the likes of Elliott Reid and Parley
Baer. 
By the way, I am not trying to sell these shows to you, merely mentioning
them so you have an idea of who I am and what I do.
If any of you wants to contact me with questions please e-mail me direct at 
kg@[removed] ........ I will be happy to answer questions from whatever
knowledge I have about west coast radio (hope I'm not sticking my foot in my
mouth. I mean, I hope I'm not flooded with questions. Unfortunately, I cannot
do research for you, but I will happily answer questions that I do have
knowlege on) Otherwise, I will respond to questions directly in the digest. 
Thanks for you time. Sincerely, Ken Greenwald

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Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 08:31:52 -0500
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed]>
To: OTR@[removed], DAVID_KINDRED@[removed]
Subject: WB Cartoons to OTR - key
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I wrote about getting OTR references from cartoons:
>>A partial list:  "Your best friend wouldn't tell you"; "Beeeee-Ohhhhh!"; 
>"Whatcha doin' mister, huh, whatcha doin' huh mister huh?"; "That's a, I 
>say, that's a joke, son!  Ya keep missin' 'em!"; "So round, so foim, so 
>fully-packed;" "When you hear the tone it will be [removed]"; "Don't ever 
>DOOOO that!"; "I hope I hope I hope I hope"; and many, many others.  Not to 
>mention the many caricatures, not only from films but also radio. 
>"Stuuuudents!"<<
and David Kindred asked:
>I don't understand all of these references. Would you mind educating me? I
>love >WB cartoons and would love to know to what ads or events these phrases
>refer.

OK, here goes for the list above:
"Your best friend wouldn't tell you" - from one of the early advertisements
of a personal hygiene product - I don't know which one, nor whether it
refers to [removed] or halitosis.  Anyone else?

"Beeeee-Ohhhhh!" - advertisements for Lifebuoy Soap:  "Helps prevent [removed]!"

"Whatcha doin' mister, huh, whatcha doin' huh mister huh?" - also with
variants - spoken by Sniffles the Mouse, in imitation of Teeny on Fibber
McGee and Molly.  Often spoken to a [removed] Fields-like mouse, who sounds more
like Horatio Boomer of FM&M.

"That's a, I say, that's a joke, son!  Ya keep missin' 'em!" - spoken by
Foghorn Leghorn.  Whether it's an imitation of Kenny Delmar's Sen. Claghorn
on Fred Allen will apparently never be known for sure, as there are
conflicting claims.  In any event, Foghorn led me to Claghorn and they are
obviously joined at the lip.

"So round, so foim, so fully-packed" - Mel Blanc's accent applied to a
phrase heard a million times on The Lucky Strike Program Starring Jack
Benny.  I think it's employed in one of WB's non-series cartoons involving
amorous animals.

"When you hear the tone it will be [removed]" - standard time announcement
on the hour, although it could be that it's a direct parody of a particular
station or network.  Don't know for sure.  It's heard in the cartoon where
E. Fudd dreams he and B. Bunny are still scrapping in the year "Twooo
Thousand Aaaaa Deeee"  {and you know what?  They are, too!!)

"Don't ever DOOOO that!" - Joe Penner.  Spoken by the pre-Elmer Fudd
character Egghead.  Other Penner phrases used in WB's:  "I can't get over
it, hmm hmm hmm" also Egghead; "You wanna buy a duck??" spoken by a cartoon
Penner who pops out of the water suddenly in "Porky's Duck Hunt" (1937).

"I hope I hope I hope I hope" - Al Pearce.  Spoken, I think, also by Egghead.

"Stuuuudents!" - Kay Kyser, on his Kollege of Musical Knowledge.

John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
ph  (512) 495-4112
fax (512) 495-4296

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