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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 453

Table Of Contents: 

	 Music Till Dawn
	 Old-Time Radio WWW Page updates
	 bibliography
	 RE: My error
	 Halls of Ivy
	 What is Suppression?
	 Halls of Ivy

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 9:56:52 -0500
From: "MACHARG, KEN" <kmacharg@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Music Till Dawn
Message-ID: <40BF9532017E1B00@[removed]>

FTR:  Music 'til Dawn was never carried on the CBS Radio Network.  The
program was a local advertising buy on CBS owned and operated stations
and on other stations around the country.  Some stations which carried
the program at various times were not CBS radio affiliates, let alone
owned by CBS ([removed], WLW, Cincinnati, WWJ Detroit -- at the time an NBC
affiliate owned by the Detroit News although the station was later
acquired by CBS/Westinghouse).  

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     [removed] someone can help me remember. I grew up in Detroit, 
but my memory tells me that MTD was always on WJR, not on WWJ. Right or 
wrong? The mind is the second thing to [removed] can't remember what the 
first thing is!!! Thanks to all for their help. --Ken MacHarg

Kenneth D. MacHarg  
Casilla 17-17-691  
Quito, Ecuador
Kmacharg@[removed]
FAX: 593-2-447-263                        
Phone: 593-2-466-808

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:05:51 GMT
From: lgenco@[removed] (Lou Genco)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Old-Time Radio WWW Page updates
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Charlie Laughlin was kind enough to contribute, as a new WWW sub-page
at my site, the "FAT MAN" section from his biography of J. Scott
Smart.  Readers who enjoyed -The Fat Man-, OTR detective stories in
general, or J. Scott Smart's artistical endeavors might want to visit.
The fairly lengthy page contains information about the FAT MAN
program, as well as sound clips and images -- all supplied by Charlie.

The Fat Man was a weekly detective show, starring J. Scott Smart as
Brad Runyon.  The images at my site show that Jack Smart fit the role
well, in all senses of the word.  The show was on ABC, weekly, between
January '46 and January '51.  According to Jay Hickerson, there are
only nine shows left.  Charlie's list contains ten.  Not enough.

Charlie well deserves our thanks for this excellent contribution!



Lou
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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 09:21:08 -0800 (PST)
From: roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: bibliography
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Given the sorts of questions that come up from time to
time, perhaps we could put together a bibliograpy of
books containing biographical information on people
in the media.
I find the typical library has little even when it
comes to well known historical figures. 
Let's hear about the books you've found to be
of particular value.

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 12:58:51 -0500
From: OTRDSIEGEL@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RE: My error
Message-ID: <961122125851_1452730705@[removed]>

  Sorry, I goofed, The good Captain Tim was born in the 1800's NOT the
1900's. Pardon me    Dave S.























































                                                                             

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 16:09:15 EST
From: ekindred@[removed]
To:   otr@[removed]
Subject: Halls of Ivy
Message-Id: <m0vR31O-000kGXC@[removed]>

The Colemans attractiveness to me was the marvelous quality of their voices.
I wuz a little ol hick bein raised in the desert in my sub to early teens when
the Halls graced the airways.  I don't remember the story lines so much as the
imagery. I could see the Halls and the halls, the paneling, smell the aromas
from a pipe and see Benita (I think that was her name, itsben 40+ years) and
hear her singin "Roll-a, Roll-a Ball a penny a [removed] The "Halls", The
Railroad Hour and the Cavalcade of America were my favorite after lights out
speaker to the ear, lowest volume possible radio shows.
Ed Kindred who has a Hokie daughter in law.

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 19:55:55 -0500
From: Bigkids@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: What is Suppression?
Message-ID: <961122195555_1420637265@[removed]>

In a message dated 96-11-21 19:39:26 EST, Patrick Adkins wrote:

<< There are other ways to impede free speech than by outright suppression.  
 
 There is such a thing as creating a climate in which "unpopular" ideas dare
 not be expressed.  This thread degenerated into shrill, indignant
 denunciation, name calling, scorn, and ad hominem attacks on Webb because of
 the political
 philosophy expressed in _Dragnet_.  That constitutes an attempt to bury an
 idea not by rational debate, but by shouting it down.  
 
 Another liberal ideal, in addition to free speech and diversity, is
 tolerance--as in tolerance of opposing points of view.
 
  >>

Er, I'm afraid that we're once again broadcasting on different wavelengths.
(Which is probably a good thing!)

What I've been saying, along with a number of other members of the Digest, is
that I find the political and social attitudes manifested by Jack Webb in a
number of series and formats, but most notably in the TV "Dragnet,"
unacceptable to me. I find them authoritarian, totalitarian, and above all
rigidly intolerant.

I also object to Webb's debating tactic (a classic device, incidentally -- he
did not by any means invent it) of putting the ideas he dislikes in the
mouths of unpleasant people and the ideas he does like in the mouths of
putatively more acceptable people.

He sets the terms of the debate, writes the arguments for both his own side
and his opponent's side, and after all is said and done -- Surprise! -- he
"wins" the debate.

I think this practice is intellectually dishonest and morally corrupt.

This is my objection to Webb's means of advancing his beliefs. This argument
does not go to the question of how I feel about those beliefs themselves --
although, as you've surely inferred by now, I find myself in disagreement
with those beliefs . . . often, but by no means always.

I'm not trying to suppress Webb or his shows -- I actually enjoy many of
them, most particularly the Jeff Regan series. But/and, anyone who *agrees*
with Webb's attitudes is certainly free to say so, and to present whatever
arguments he/she may wish, here in the Digest or elsewhere.

I don't consider this an attempt to impede free speech. Holy cow, Patrick,
have your say, to your heart's content! 

Is the forgoing "shrill, indignant denunciation?" I guess each of us will
have to decide for himself. I think it's rational debate. Telling your
opponent, "Shut up!" is hardly rational debate. Telling your opponent, "I
respectfully disagree with you," in my book, is rational debate.

Heck, I respect Jack Webb and I disagree with him.

Dick Lupoff

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Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:06:05 -0500
From: Neubacher@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Halls of Ivy
Message-ID: <961122230604_2082070401@[removed]>

     I for one really enjoy THE HALLS OF IVY.  I especially enjoy how they
"Play" with words very often.

Bill Neubacher
NEUBACHER@[removed]



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