Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #69
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 2/14/2003 7:24 AM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 69
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Hal and Burlesque & mp3 player        [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
      OTR time machine                      [ "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@comc ]
      WOMEN ANNOUNCERS                      [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
      Re: Judy Tyler                        [ "Kathy O'Connell" <oconnell@[removed] ]
      Only The Shadow Knows For Sure        [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      looking for information on WWII show  [ "parker2" <parker2@[removed]; ]
      Re: Shadow sponsors/Carl Kroenke      [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      Temple of Vampires: The Missing Piec  [ "James Erskine" <cominghomemag@msn. ]
      Time Machine Question                 [ lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed]; ]
      Smilin's Ed's wife                    [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      It Pays To Be Ignorant                [ "rcg" <revrcg@[removed]; ]
      Island Venture                        [ "D. Fisher" <dfisher@[removed]; ]
      Hollywood Songsters                   [ JayHick@[removed] ]
      Re: Down with Gates                   [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Re: Let's Hear it for Big Little Boo  [ watchstop@[removed] (Martin&Marg ]
      Twilight Zone                         [ Richard Carpenter <sinatra@ragingbu ]
      Sad passing of Stacy Keach, Sr.       [ Rob Chatlin <rchatlin@[removed] ]
      Stacy Keach, Sr. obituary             [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
      Looking for a Tom mix radio log       [ "Li'l Reader Books" <lilreader2@yah ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Joe Connelly Dies                     [ Eric Cooper <kb6vpi@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:25:35 -0500
    From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Hal and Burlesque & mp3 player

    Re: Hal and his visits to the burlesque houses --
    Just so you don't think Hal was some kind of misled youth corrupted by show
    biz and older women,  I want to go back to that time period.   Hal is my
    senior :)) but when I was a high school student in Westchester in the 50s,
    it was common knowledge [of course it was common knowledge, they bragged
    about it]  that the "boys" in our HS went to Jersey for  burlesque shows
    which they sort of considered a rite of passage.   On the other hand the
    Jersey guys came over to NY to drink (18 was the age limit then, meaning you
    could usually pass at 15).

    Re the Memorex mp3 player.    One message was from a disappointed buyer who
    finally returned the boombox.   I have had problems with only one disc and I
    obtained that disc from an ebay seller I was not familiar with.   I too,
    like Bob Reynolds, have bought a number of discs from OTRCAT and have also
    found they are very reliable and present no problems when played on my new
    boombox.

       --Irene

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:38:37 -0500
    From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR time machine

>     Question of the day: You have a time machine that enables you to go back
>     to the OTR era with a state-of-the-art tape recorder. What "lost" show(s)
>     would you go back in time to record?

    I would use this time machine--for good, you understand, and not evil--to
    fill in the oh-so-woefully-missing gaps of "The Fred Allen Show" and
    "Duffy's Tavern."  I'm just not sure I could carry back all those shows. :-)

    Ivan G. Shreve, Jr.

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:38:48 -0500
    From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  WOMEN ANNOUNCERS

    The following item really grabbed my attention, particularly the "even
    though she WERE a lady".  The guy who wrote that must have been game,
    single, or not going home that week.  I know that when researching you have
    to be careful not to use today's standards on yesterday, but I couldn't see
    my Grandmother standing for that sort of talk :)

    "WIRELESS WEEKLY MAGAZINE - Friday 22nd August 1930 (Australia)

    RADIO IN OTHER PLACES

    Why must they have women announcers in Italy?  Both Rome and Milan have
    women announcers only; and now Turin, which has had both men and women
    announcers, is going to run its programmes with "a lady alone."  We can
    quite understand a philosophy which would keep a a lady announcer alone,
    even though she WERE a lady; but why there should be no men announcers, on
    principle, we do not understand.  Of course, even Charles Lawrence
    (announcer of the day - Ian) could tell you that women make the best
    talkers; but if you let them talk all day on the air no men will take out
    licences, because surely they get enough of that sort of thing at home.  It
    seems as though Italy is deliberately preventing the progress of
    broadcasting."

    I wonder what the writer would have thought of Lonesome Gal?  I have read
    autobiographies of Women Announcers in Australia and they gave no indication
    of difficulties getting accepted into radio on either side of the
    microphone, but come to think of it, they would have been post WWII, a very
    different time from the period between wars.

    Was it difficult for Women to be accepted on Radio, both by management and
    audience?

    Ian Grieve

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:39:19 -0500
    From: "Kathy O'Connell" <oconnell@[removed];
    To: "Oldtime Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:  Judy Tyler

    Now that the subject of my first idol (Princess Summerfallwinterspring) has
    come up, does anyone know if she did any radio work during her tragically
    short career?
    For some insight into this lady, check out a book called "Say Kids, What
    Time Is It?"  It's the story of the Howdy Doody show, and shows that Judy
    Tyler wasn't the demure Princess she played on TV.
    One of the big traumas of my early life was when my mother took us to the
    drive-in to see "Jailhouse Rock" when I was 6 or so.  There, in the
    darkness, as I  sat in the backseat in my pajamas, my mother turned to my
    grandmother and said, "See that girl?  That's Princess
    [removed]'S DEAD."  Yikes!!!
    Of course, this was the same woman who threw a Daily News in front of me one
    morning as I was eating breakfast and said, "Look, Superman killed himself."
    (George Reeves, of [removed]).
    And people wonder why I read obituaries [removed]'s conditioning!

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:39:45 -0500
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Only The Shadow Knows For Sure

    Rick Keating, speaking of The Shadow sponsorship, observes,

>     And, regarding the split sponsorship <snip> alluded to in the booklet
>     for the Shadow's Greatest Padio Adventures, was this during the entirety
>     of Morrison's run, or only a portion of it? Dunning doesn't list the
>     other sponsors in the split, but he does list Blue Coal through (or
>     until) 1949. Is it possible that no Blue Coal broadcasts survive after
>     1949, but that it and the other sponsors continued to be involved beyond
>     that point?

    According to Tomart's Guide to Radio Premium and Cereal Box Collectibles
    by Tom Tumbusch, "Blue Coal was the sponsor for most of this [1930s]
    period and into the late 1940s.  Various other companies picked up the
    program through the end of 1954, when it left the air."  Tumbusch points
    out that The Shadow premiums were from both the radio show and the
    magazine; and that in addition, there were The Shadow items available in
    dime stores.

    The Tomart's Guide used is the latest, published in 1991.  It's perhaps
    the most comprehensive of the radio premium books, and one that offers
    another angle of attack in OTR scholarship.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:40:04 -0500
    From: "parker2" <parker2@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  looking for information on WWII shows

    I have been collection various audio from the command performance, gi jive
    and gi journal-- does anyone have any idea where I may find the listing for
    all that were made--it will give me an idea on what I am missing

    thanks Parker2@[removed]

     [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:43:23 -0500
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Shadow sponsors/Carl Kroenke

    In a message dated 2/12/03 11:02:27 PM, Rick Keating writes:

>     But on the subject of Shadow sponsors, I'd still like to know how
>     frequently Shadow records, tapes or CDs were released with the wrong
>     sponsor ([removed] an Orson Welles' Goodrich commercial in a Johnstone
>     episode). I know this topic came up sometime last year, but I
>     haven't been able to track down the information to review it. I have
>     at least one tape in my collection that features Welles hawking Goodrich
>     in the middle of a Johnstone adventure, and I recall from the previous
>     discussion on this topic that there was at least one other.

    ***Without knowing the title of the episode in question, I suspect this was a
    case where a commercially-released record or cassette was "fixed" by its
    publisher prior to release.  I know GAA inserted Bret Morrison openings into
    a collection of Blue Coal shows starring Orson Welles some years ago because
    one of the executives believed the shows were incomplete because they didn't
    include the "Who knows what evil" opening.  (Almost all of the Welles Blue
    Coal SHADOWS begin with just "The Shadow knows!" while the Goodrich season
    contains the entire Frank Readick opening.)  I don't have copies of Metacom's
    SHADOW releases, but I've been told that some of them contain inserted
    commercials.  Most often, ET damage is at the beginning of a side, so perhaps
    someone replace a damaged commercial (or one with lessor sound quality)
    without noticing that it was with a different actor.***

>     And, regarding the split sponsorship (Blue Coal in the East, Carey Salt
>     in the Midwest, Don Barr in the South and the USAF on the Don Lee network)
>     alluded to in the booklet for the Shadow's Greatest Padio Adventures,
>     was this during the entirety of Morrison's run, or only a portion of it?
>     Dunning doesn't list the other sponsors in the split, but he does list
>     Blue Coal through (or until) 1949. Is it possible that no Blue Coal
>     broadcasts survive after 1949, but that it and the other sponsors
>     continued to be involved beyond that point?

    ***Blue Coal dropped their longtime East Coast sponsorship after the 1949-50
    SHADOW season, following the collapse of the Anthracite market.  Former
    regional sponsor Grove Labs picked up national sponsorship the following
    season, and later seasons were sponsored by the Air Force; sustained (Summer
    1951); Wildroot, Wildroot & Sylvania; and finally Camel, Tide and No-Doz
    Awakeners (as if anyone ever fell asleep during a SHADOW broadcast).  The
    final season was a sustainer, with promotional announcements for ASTOUNDING
    SCIENCE FICTION (publisned by Street & Smith, the owners of the Shadow
    copyright).***

>     On a related note, the episode "The Living Head", dated 2/10/46 is
>     sponsored by Grove Cold Tablets. Was that a subsidiary of one of the
>     above sponsors? If not, how does Groves fit into the mix? Dunning lists
>     a Groves' Labs as a sponsor, in or after 1949.

    ***Grove Labs was a regional sponsor during the 1945-46 season, and
    Acme-Linex during the previous 1944-45 season with John Archer.  Balm Barr
    and Carey Salt came aboard for the 1946-47 season, and Grove Labs returned as
    sponsor in 1949 regionally and 1950 [removed]***

>     And finally, are there any surviving episodes of the Carl Kroenke Shadow
>     programs?

    ***I haven't found any yet, which is why I posted a request.  However, the
    transcription serial was broadcast here and abroad for at least eight years,
    so someone somewhere must have some.  Rex Miller once told me he had located
    a cache of the DOC, SHADOW and LOVE STORY transcripotions back in the 1970s,
    which "disappeared" as he was negotiating to buy them.  The entire 1936
    season of MacGregor & Sollie's transcribed, 15-minute STREET & SMITH LOVE
    STORY DRAMAS is in circulation, but not a single episode of either their 1934
    DOC SAVAGE or 1935 SHACOW transcription series. --ANTHONY TOLLIN***

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:46:02 -0500
    From: "James Erskine" <cominghomemag@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Temple of Vampires: The Missing Pieces

    In the last Digest, "Mike" said of going back in a time [removed]

>     For myself, I'd tape LIGHTS OUT's "Chicken Heart" and the missing episodes
>     of my favorite I LOVE A MYSTERY, "Temple of the Vampires.

    Okay. I've heard a lot about these missing episodes. Yet, we got a CD of I
    LOVE A MYSTERY not too long ago, and listened to a 10 episode version of
    "Temple of Vampires" which *seemed* to be complete. (My 13 yr old called it
    "one of the best ever".)

    [removed] what is the story behind this? Was our version (10 - 12 minute
    episodes) a remake, or what? And just how much of the original version of
    this story is actually "lost"?

    kylistener

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:46:08 -0500
    From: lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Time Machine Question

    If I could go back in time and bring back any show
    I wanted, I'd bring back the Blondie and Dagwood
    shows.  The six or so that are avaible are wonderful!!
    There are so many wonderful shows that we only have
    access to some of the programs- what a shame!!

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:46:18 -0500
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Smilin's Ed's wife

    Derek Tague did a grand job of giving the bio of Lulu McConnell to explain
    that she was not related to Smilin' Ed McConnell.  I'll drop the other shoe
    by saying that Ed McConnell's wife was named Grace.  The two of them
    recorded a duet "Tote Your Load" as Ed and Grace McConnell for Columbia in
    Feb 1925 which included a station ID and introduction by pioneer WSB
    announcer Lambdin Kay.  This exceedingly important recording includes Kay
    playing a three note identification chime for WSB which shows that they
    were not the same notes that NBC eventually used.  But even NBC admits that
    Kay was using chimes to ID his station long before NBC did--which is
    interesting from an organization which claims to have used the GEC chimes
    three years before they actually did.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:46:29 -0500
    From: "rcg" <revrcg@[removed];
    To: "Otr Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  It Pays To Be Ignorant

    Many thanks to Derek Tague for the bios of cast members of IPTBI.

    I enjoyed the program each week. I thought that it was well written and
    provided many laughs. As for some elitist naming it "one of the ten worst
    OTR shows", that is strictly one person's opinion. Top ten and bottom ten
    lists of anything simply reflect personal tastes.

    I once read some posts on this forum that inferred that anyone who didn't
    like Vic & Sade was either not well educated or was somewhat lacking in
    intelligence. I strongly disliked Vic & Sade but I loved IPTOI. Evidentally,
    I am a member of the "least common denominator" group.

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:46:41 -0500
    From: "D. Fisher" <dfisher@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Island Venture

    Is there anyone in this whole wide world that might have a copy of this
    show. I have been looking ever since I started collecting back in the 60's.
    It was only on for a short time, late 1945 to early 1946 on CBS.

    Don Fisher

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:46:53 -0500
    From: JayHick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hollywood Songsters

    This 3-volume biographical dictionary, written by James Robert Parish and
    Michael Pitts in 2003, is well worth the $275.  It has a total of 930 pages
    with illustrations.   It covers 112 singers who act and actors who sing and
    covers their radio and television careers.  It also has, as well as a
    filmography, CD and LP discographies.  If interested contact Taylor and
    Francis/Ruouteledge at 1-800-634-7064 or write them at 7626 Empire Dr.,
    Florence, KY 41042 (Home of Bob Burchett).

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:47:40 -0500
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Down with Gates

    Another reason to be glad I'm a Mac user.

    Chris Holm says my postings get "labeled" with warning colors because his
    Microsoft filters deem them to be either salacious, and for adult eyes
    only.(Those get highlighted in "naughty" maroon).... Then, anytime I mention
    my book, or suggest you buy a [removed] I get painted with "Junk mail Lime
    green".

    I guess I have to clean up my act and avoid telling you all about the
    depraved lifestyle we actors lived. (Harry Bartel excluded).

>     I was really curious.
>     So I read through the whole digest to find out what kind of salacious posting
>     could so offend my Outlook software.  The only thing I could find which even
>     came close was Hal Stone's memories of visiting the burlesque with his
>     buddies after work.

>     [removed] Come to think it, a few of those emails where Hal was pitching his book
>     were highlighted in junk mail lime green.  That's ok, I can't wait till
>     Cincinnati where I can buy a copy of his book and get it autographed in
>     person.

    Now, there's a real smart person. Chris will save $[removed] shipping and
    handling, and I'll get a hernia carrying a big box of books to unload on the
    unsuspecting masses. Hardly will pay for the operation after I get back
    home.

    For those not as smart as Chris, or who can't make the Cincy Convention, you
    can get your copy at;

    [removed]

    Junk mail indeed!!!!  :)  The next time Gates invites me over to his house
    to ask my investment advice, I'll sure give him a piece of my mind.

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:48:02 -0500
    From: watchstop@[removed] (Martin&Margot)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Let's Hear it for Big Little Books

    First, I can use this message as an opportunity to mention how good it
    always is for me to read comments from Conrad Binyon!

    Second, not only do I concur with his remarks about Big Little Books and
    other titles, but I have the feeling that such books should have the credit
    for helping to develop the love of words on paper, the expression in
    literature, for so many of us.  I think what's important is not the overall
    quality of this or that series, but the opportunity for us to experience
    such delights from real, actual books, complete with their appearance and
    aroma and all their connections with valuable times and places.
    Fortunately, there are at least some [lucky] children who are book readers
    today, too.

    I may be prejudiced, but while there is value to be found, of course, in
    television and computers, they are still machines.  (Never have I felt that
    radio was as confined/controlled by its technology as these later
    inventions.)  Printing presses stay nicely, politely in the distance, while
    meantime, what they produce, countless, marvelous books, are with us at
    home--and everywhere.

    I have had an adult literacy student for ten years now.  I mention him here
    because he is often seduced by television and computers, and will use up
    his precious leisure time with these devices, rather than with a focus on
    homework to improve his reading skills.  Obviously, the choice must be his,
    and I have no actual right to interfere.  But, I dream.  In such a
    situation, if I had my wish I would make his machines vanish, and I would
    replace them with a gigantic supply of Big Little Books and the Hardy Boys.

    --Martin Fass

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:48:22 -0500
    From: Richard Carpenter <sinatra@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Twilight Zone

      I also received the sample disc of the "Twilight
    Zone" radio series and I too thought it was well done.
    My only criticism is that the shows are an hour long
    instead of a half-hour, giving you the feeling that
    the material is being stretched. I felt the same about
    the few hour-long Rod Serling "Twilight Zone" TV
    shows, and even the only hour-long show of the TV
    revival series that I've seen. Love that
    doot-doot-doot-doot theme, though.

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:18:37 -0500
    From: Rob Chatlin <rchatlin@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Sad passing of Stacy Keach, Sr.

    I just found this tidbit,
    and extend condolences to his family and friends.

    [removed];ncid=579&e=1&cid=638&u=/nm/20030214/en_nm/people_keach_dc

    rob

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:24:53 -0500
    From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
    To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Stacy Keach, Sr. obituary

    In this obituary from Reuters they say that "Tales of the Texas Rangers"
    which Keach developed, produced and directed is still heard on over 300
    stations.

    [removed];dt=030213&cat=entertainment&st=entertainmentpeoplekeachdc

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 01:25:18 -0500
    From: "Li'l Reader Books" <lilreader2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Looking for a Tom mix radio log

    Hello, Does anyone have a RADIO LOG for the radiow Show Tom Mix. I have
    aquired a few shows latley, around 35, and would like to catalog
    them correctly. If you have it could you please let me know it would help

    thanks a bunch

    -- Steve AKA lilreader
    my master list is up and running - [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:07:55 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

>     >From Those Were The Days --

    Birthday--

    1894 - Jack Benny (Benjamin Kubelsky) died Dec 26, 1974

      Happy 39th Jack!
      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:08:19 -0500
    From: Eric Cooper <kb6vpi@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Joe Connelly Dies
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    We've lost another great [removed] is a portion of the Joe Connelly obit
    from the wire services:

    Born in Auburn, [removed], in 1917, Connelly attended Susquehanna University in
    Pennsylvania before going to work for the J. Walter Thompson advertising
    agency, where he met Mosher. When Mosher moved to Hollywood to get into show
    business, Connelly followed.

    Starting in radio together, they wrote comedy scripts for ventriloquist Edgar
    Bergen and his dummy, Charlie McCarthy, for "The Phil Harris Show" and "The
    Frank Morgan Show." Then, for 14 years, they wrote for "The Amos 'n' Andy
    Show."

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