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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 433

Table Of Contents: 

	 himan brown comments
	 Re: OTR Neighbor
	 Re: Himan Brown
	       Big Bands
	 CLAYTON MOORE'S BOOK
	 comment on Fitzgerald
	 OTR SHOW THEMES
	 debates!!!
	 Sci-Fi Radio Log
	 The Musical  Karloff

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Date: Fri,  8 Nov 1996 10:57:02, -0500
From: ZQEK71A@[removed] ( CHRISTOPHER R CHANDLER)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: himan brown comments
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

i've been lurking here for [removed] to soak in the knowlege 
and wisdom of people far more experienced in this hobby than i [removed]
but the himan brown comments posted here this week have pushed me to 
action, becuase i think i've got sort of a unique perspective.

by mr. brown's [removed] should shut the doors of every art [removed]
.have the old movie channels cut from our cable systems, etc.  it's a 
little unfair, i think, to imply that we're all beating a dead horse 
with our affection for [removed] mr. brown is also really selling 
himself short, as well. 

i've often wondered about the average ages of folks involved in both 
this digest and the hobby in general.   i've been collecting for 
several years now, but i'm just 28 years [removed] there is not a hint 
of nostalgia connected to my appreciation of otr.  i'm a history buff,
 and that's part of [removed] mostly, i enjoy jack benny becuase his 
programs are often laugh-out-loud [removed]'s fun to be fooled by 
one of the Whistler's trick [removed] there are very few programs 
like suspense, or brown's own inner sanctum that exist on tv or radio 
today.  they're [removed] they're fun.  these programs are more 
than historical [removed]'re vital, sometimes brilliant pieces of 
creative [removed] it's part of the genius of people like himan brown 
that they have created something timeless.  

the recent discussion of the various "war of the worlds" productions 
in this very space proves, i think, that we're not all simply stuck 
in the past.  we almost all acknowledge that the more recent versions 
are superior in almost every department [removed] that 
doesn't diminish the effectiveness of the original, or our 
appreciation of it.  

just my two cents.  

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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 11:59:58 -0600
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: nflagg@[removed]
Subject: Re: OTR Neighbor
Message-Id: <[removed]@dlogics>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

<nflagg@[removed]> (unsigned) writes:
>I grew up in the forties in a Western Suburb of Chicago called 
>'Riverside.'  A couple that lived down the street were on Chicago radio. 
>As I recall, they were on soaps but I'm not sure about that (or anything 
>else except that they partied a LOT!)
>I'm wondering if anyone can possibly supply me with the name of this 
>couple.

Their name is rattling around in my brain but has not come out [removed]
But before someone else tries to correct you on the time period, there
_was_ a couple on WBBM-AM 780 radio in the '70's: Bob and Betty Sanders,
who did the all-news mid-day slot (10:00 [removed] to 2:00 [removed]) together.
I assume this is not the couple you or I are thinking of, though. (As 
far as I know, they're still around here [removed])

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@[removed]
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 12:05:24 -0600
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Himan Brown
Message-Id: <[removed]@dlogics>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Shawn Whalen <swhalen@[removed]> writes:
>There are some interesting comments from Himan Brown on OTR and CBSRMT at
>[removed] site.  Here are some excerpts:
>
> "You don't drive a model-T Ford," he notes. "You don't ride in a prop
> airplane. You fly in a jet.

Nonsense; even United Airlines still uses prop-driven planes in regular
commuter service. Bad analogy.

> The Shadow, The Lone Ranger - all those shows - that's not entertainment
> anymore. It's cultist stuff.

Not entertainment anymore? What, does it come with an expiration date like
milk? It's just as entertaining today as it ever was, and not simply as 
some sort of cult item.

> The handful of people that are going to live with you in the '30s, God 
> bless them. Let them stay there. But I want to know, what are these 
> people doing for radio tomorrow?"

Tomorrow? What are you doing for it today? Blocking off yesterday is
hardly a way to build for the future. No one is going to be inspired
to create future radio drama if they can't listen to what worked in
the past and what made it so successful. 

I haven't missed CBS Radio Mystery Theatre in the first place, but
always thought its absence from the market was due to legitimate
licensing or rights concerns on the part of Mr. Brown, not simply a
sour-grapes attitude towards letting anyone hear it at all. But then,
I find his outlook a complete non-sequitur: He bemoans the lack of
good radio drama and accuses today's society of not being interested,
yet complains because people are finding the old stuff so good and
would rather they not find it at all. Perhaps someone simply caught 
him on a bad day.

> "We're dealing with something that's vital - language," he explains. 
> "You have to do contemporary drama. You have to do it now.

Er, why? "The Shadow" was contemporary; now it's a period piece, but so
what? "The Lone Ranger" and "The Six-Shooter" were period pieces when
they were made; again, so what? The style of language used was not the
main point, although I found that those old programs which were at _that_
time contemporary to be even more interesting now because of the way that
the language has evolved since then.

> "BBC produces close to 800 hours of radio drama a year. For them it's
> an entire service."
>
> "Why doesn't National Public Radio have radio drama?" Brown asks.
>"Maybe during the year they'll produce a handful of dramas. Why don't 
> they do more? Because they're mostly interested in news and music.
> They don't seem to care."

Again I really do not see where Mr. Brown is going with this: the BBC
produces all sorts of radio drama, not just contemporary, and obviously
has an audience for it. NPR wouldn't produce dramas at all if no one
were listening, so evidently they do care. So do we.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@[removed]
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date:          Fri, 8 Nov 1996 13:32:04 DST
From: "Pat premo" <PPREMO@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:       Big Bands
Message-Id: <EBE059A41B6@[removed]>

I know that Big Bands on OTR may be stretching it a bit, but it never 
hurts to ask.
Does anyone remember Beatrice Kay and her Kay-Jammers from the era of 
the Big Bands?  I am trying to locate two of her songs:
    Why do they always say no
    The old piano roll blues
Can anyone help?
Thanks.
Pat Premo    ppremo@[removed]

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Date: Fri, Nov 8 1996 14:45:21 EST
From: Thomas Heathwood <theathwo@[removed]>
To: <BERNEY@[removed]>
Subject: CLAYTON MOORE'S BOOK
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

ANYONE:  Does anyone, by chance, have information on the publisher of the
Moore book?
Name/address/FAX/phone/EMAIL address?? Promotions rep. ?
Thanks:
<<TOM HEATHWOOD/HERITAGE RADIO/YESTERDAY-USA SATELLITE SUPERSTATION>>10/20
11/08/96                          FAX: (617) 965-9984
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 18:18 CST
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: comment on Fitzgerald
Message-Id: <m0vM17e-000kBhC@[removed]>

Now that a lot of folks (including myself, via private
e-mail) have chimed in to answer Ed Jopling's question about
F. Scott Fitzgerald on radio, a tabulation of the answers
reveals this:  Aside from Jim Widner's remembrance of a newer
NPR series, and one mention of "This Side of Paradise," the
answer repeatedly was:  " 'The Diamond as Big as the Ritz,' on
Escape or a similar show.  I'm sure there are others."

Well, if there are others, what are they?  Surely with the
vast knowledge in this newslist, we can do a little better,
can't we?  Or, perhaps, as I suspect, Fitzgerald's stories
may be a mite too sophisticated to have adapted well during 
the OTR years?

John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
ph  (512) 495-4112
fax (512) 495-4296

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 96 17:52:54 -0700
From: <nflagg@[removed]>
To: <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: OTR SHOW THEMES
Message-Id: <[removed]@defiant>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

>>Where could I locate recordings/album collections of OTR show themes?  If 
>>they're the originals, great, but if those aren't available, then 
>>re-recordings are okay.  (Please?)
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Hank C-I
I have an old LP 'Themes Like Old Times' on Viva Records - Distributed by 
Dot Records, that contains 90 original radio themes. It seems I've seen 
this in some catalog or other recently so it may still be abvailable as 
cassette or CD. Might try Heartland Music.

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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 19:13:48 EST
From: jdeff@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: debates!!!
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Do anyone out there have ANY kind of religious debate that have aired on
radio, from the beginning unitl now.

If so could you please e-mail me at:  jdeff@[removed]

Thanks.

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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 02:08:21 PST
From: passage@[removed] (Frank M Passage)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Sci-Fi Radio Log
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

                       S C I - F I   R A D I O
                       -----------   ---------

                             1989 - 1990


First Show: 09-10-89                             Last Show: 03-18-90
Number Shows:                               Audition Show: not known


Show Description:

SCI_FI RADIO was a modern radio series, heard over National Public 
Radio stations.  It dramatized some of the best science fiction.
Each of the 26 broadcasts were 30 minutes in length.  Eight of the 
shows were in 2 parts, offering half one week and the conclusion the
following week.


List Comments:

As is the case with most modern radio series, this one is hard to
find.  Gordon Payton's catalog listed the full run.  The latest 
suppliment to the McCoy catalog listed the first 13.  Both were
missing show #4.


List:

    Date      Num  Title                                 Src Key
    --------  ---  ------------------------------------  -------
    09-10-89    1  I'm Scared                            12
    09-17-89    2  Dark Benediction, Part 1              12
    09-24-89    3  Dark Benediction, Part 2              12
    10-01-89    4  Ballad of the Lost C'Mell, Part 1     
                      (missing)
    10-08-89    5  Ballad of the Lost C'Mell, Part 2     12
    10-15-89    6  Sales Pitch                           12
    10-22-89    7  Diary of the Rose                     12
    10-29-89    8  Frost and Fire, Part 1                12
    11-05-89    9  Frost and Fire, Part 2                12
    11-12-89   10  Cold Equation                         12
    11-19-89   11  Close Encounter With the Diety /      12
                      Sundance, Part1
    11-26-89   12  Sundance, Part 2                      12
    12-03-89   13  Wall of Darkness                      12
    12-10-89   14  Vintage Season, Part 1                1
    12-17-89   15  Vintage Season, Part 2                1
    01-07-90   16  Grantha Sighting /                    1
                      Call Me Joe, Part 1
    01-14-90   17  Call Me Joe, Part 2                   1
    01-21-90   18  Imposter                              1
    01-28-90   19  Field of Vision                       1
    02-04-90   20  Houston, Houston, Do You Read?        1
                      Part 1
    02-11-90   21  Houston, Houston, Do You Read?        1
                      Part 2
    02-18-90   22  Shape                                 1
    02-25-90   23  Home is the Hangman, Part 1           1
    03-04-90   24  Home is the Hangman, Part 2           1
    03-11-90   25  Twonky                                1
    03-18-90   26  Yankee Doodle                         1


Information Sources:

The information above was obtained from the following OTR vendor
and club catalogs.  Contact them directly for more information.

Key Source
--- -----------------------------------------------------------------
 1  Gordon R. Payton, 119 E. Cuthbert Blvd., Bldg. "O", #3, Westmont,
    NJ 08108-1829
 2  McCoy's Recordings, PO Box 1069, Richland, Wash. 99352

To be fair to all, this is not an endorsement of the above vendors
and clubs.  I receive nothing by mentioning them.  They help keep 
OTR alive.  Please support them.


Last Update: 11-08-96


I retain copyright, but this log may be freely copied provided that 
the text is unchanged.  Please send error corrections or additional 
information to:   Frank Passage, 109 Elmwood Road, Verona, NJ 07044 
or via e-mail to passage@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 1996 11:59:13 -0600
From: [removed]@[removed] (Donald Dortmund)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Musical  Karloff
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
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  I have two episodes (?) of 'Tales Of Mystery and Adventure' read / 
  narrated by Boris Karloff, but these are very strange. There were 
  apparently designed for kids because every 3 or 4 minutes after Boris' 
  narration there is a musical retelling of the plot, (but not by Boris). 
  
  The Rip Van Winkle episode has Rip waking up in the future and trying on 
  atomic powered roller skates, then going back to his own time and 
  'inventing' the roller skate. 
  
  I do not have any other information about these.
  Has anyone ever heard of this show? Is there any information available 
  about it. 
  
  Tales Of Mystery & Adventure: Legend Of Sleepy Hollow    :18
  Tales Of Mystery & Adventure: Rip Van Winkle             :20
   



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