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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2007 : Issue 335
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  What Waterman wrote                   [ Richard Carpenter <newsduck@[removed] ]
  Willard Waterman                      [ Richard Olday <raolday@[removed]; ]
  Corwin Dog Story                      [ "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@bas ]
  Children Sing ...                     [ Stephen A Kallis <skallisjr@[removed] ]
  Howdy, Doody!                         [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
  OTR quotes                            [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Willard Waterman                      [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
  Thirteen by Corwin dog story          [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
  11-28 births/deaths                   [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  If the Jack Benny mistakes hadn't ha  [ "Matthew Bullis" <matthewbullis@run ]
  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
  Back to Robert Hall                   [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
  Re: Benny & Allen on TV               [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  Christmas shows on OTR                [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:58:11 -0500
From: Richard Carpenter <newsduck@[removed];
To: Old Radio <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  What Waterman wrote

There has been much discussion in this forum about whether the final year of
"The Great Gildersleeve" show was in 1958 or '59. Well, "Gildy's Scrapbook"
from Bear Manor Media reproduces a  letter to a fan from Willard Waterman, in
which Mr. Waterman wrote the following:

    "The show was on for 18 years (1941-1959) and my nine years were some of
the most pleasant of my life."

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:32:26 -0500
From: Richard Olday <raolday@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Willard Waterman

Gildy: Maybe Willard was referring to the number of
years he played Gildy. In this case you would count
1950 as one and 1958 as nine. Dick Olday

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:32:40 -0500
From: "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Corwin Dog Story

Norman Corwin did indeed write a story about a boy and his dog wandering the
celestial spheres.  It is called The Odyssey of Runyon Jones.  Our radio
re-enactment loves reading this script.

Ted

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:12:59 -0500
From: Stephen A Kallis <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Children Sing ...

Glenn P.," speaking of the Robert Hall jingle,

School bells ring and children sing It's back to Robert Hall
again. Mother knows for better clothes, go back to Robert
Hall again. You'll save more on clothes for school! Shop at
Robert Hall!

notes,

I'm listening to the jingle on audio, and I think the word "again"
should not be there (on both occasions) -- [removed], that it's not
present in the actual jingle:

Actually, "again" was in the jingle ... at least for the television
commercials.  I used to hear it, watching the Today show's local
commercials, before going off to high school.  I do recall, at the time,
that I couldn't imagine any children singing about going to Robert Hall
... certainly not boys.  I believe the radio commercials were identical.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:12:51 -0500
From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Howdy, Doody!
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On Nov 27, 2007, at 4:10 PM,Ron Sayles wrote:

11-27-1917 - Buffalo Bob Smith - Buffalo, NY - d. 7-30-1998
actor: Howdy Doody "Howdy Doody"

This entry prompts a number of interesting sidelights. First of all
"Bob Smith" was his professional name; he was born Robert Schmidt,
youngest of four children born to second-generation German immigrants
in Buffalo, NY. He was playing the piano when he was four years old
and went on local radio at age 11 where he was discovered by Herb
Rice (yes, the creator of "Bobby Benson.") Rice used him in several
musical programs. By the time he finished high school, Robert was in
a vocal trio called "The High Hatters", was a seasoned entertainer,
pianist, and on-air performer and a show-biz career was a foregone
conclusion.

He would later be the star of both the TV and radio version of "Howdy
Doody."  The TV show, which started out as "Puppet Theater" in
January 1948 aired two shows before Howdy Doody even appeared. But
after he did, they quickly changed the name of the show to his. In
the next few years the series became so popular it spun-off a radio
version in December 1951 with approximately the same cast, except
Clarabell was replaced by a sound man honking a horn.

While hundreds of radio shows eventually were reincarnated as a TV
series, there are only eight TV shows that spun off a radio version.
And that's not counting simulcasts ([removed] "Two for the Money" and
"George Gobel Show") nor 50's TV shows like "Lassie" and "Rin-Tin-
Tin" that resulted in radio versions, since both of these canines had
their own radio shows in decades pre-dating their TV popularity.

Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL
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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:13:19 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR quotes

Mike Biel commented:

Any researcher worth his
or her salt will CHECK the dates and data and never, never, never put words
into someone's mouth and assume that your mathematical calculation will
match the documented data.

I'd like to add that while it's great to include quotes from actors, writers
and directors of the Golden Age of Radio, Mike is correct that you have to
research "their" facts.  Memories fade after time, and when an actor says he
started playing the lead in FIRST NIGHTER PROGRAMS in 1944, the researcher
has to check the original scripts, do the research, and find out if the actor
meant 1943, 1942, or 1945.

Martin Grams Jr.

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:13:45 -0500
From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Willard  Waterman

Re: Willard Waterman

I gysueeing that I'm addressing my remakes to Mr. Cox and Mr. Biel:

First of all I'm sorry I enter into the Waterman controversy, Secondly I
believe I did my home work naming my sources, including an inter view of
Willard in 1984. Mr Waterman in Gildy's like voice stated he was Gildy
for NINE YEARS. My critics are over looking a season of 37 episode of TV.

If you drought my words I will send a Cassette  copy of The March  1984
interview To _ONE_ person who will listen and verify the facts. Pleas
send me ONE name and Address of reliable OTR Digest person and I will
put it in the mail Thursday 11/29/2007 I am teaching a class on Wed. so
that is the fastest I can send it.
Frank McGurn

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:14:24 -0500
From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Thirteen by Corwin dog story

Raymond B Druian wrote,

I have a vague recollection
that one of the "Thirteen by Corwin" was the story of
a boy looking for his lost dog among a whole slew of
supernatural [removed]

I own the book _Thirteen by Corwin_. The story in
question is "The Odyssey of Runyon Jones." It's the
first story in the book. The introduction states that
it was first broadcast June 8, 1941 as the sixth of
"Twenty-Six by Corwin", "under the direction of the
author."

The story opens with Runyon (the boy) asking, "is this
the department of lost dogs?"

Rick

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:14:31 -0500
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  11-28 births/deaths

November 28th births

11-28-1894 - Frank Black - Philadelphia, PA - d. 1-29-1968
conductor: "Jack Benny Program"; "NBC String Symphony"; "Cities
Service Concert"
11-28-1895 - Jose Iturbi - Valencia, Spain - d. 6-28-1980
pianist, conductor: "Telephone hour"; "Rochester Philharmonic Orchestra"
11-28-1897 - John Kameaaloha Almeida - Pauao Valley, HA - d. 10-xx-1985
writer: "Hawaii Calls"; "Island Serenade"
11-28-1904 - Jane Ellen Ball - d. 8-1-1999
woman's programming: WJAS Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
11-28-1906 - Helen Jepson - Titusville, PA - d. 9-16-1997
singer: "Kraft Music Hall"; "Show Boat"
11-28-1907 - Rose Bampton - Cleveland, OH - d. 8-21-2007
singer: "Palmolive Beauty Box Theatre"
11-28-1910 - Russell Napier - Perth, Australia - d. 8-19-1974
actor: "Midweek Theatre"
11-28-1916 - Richard Tregaskis - Elizabeth, NJ - d. 8-15-1973
author, war correspondent: (Guadalcanal Diary) "Lux Radio Theatre"
11-28-1917 - Elliott Lewis - NYC - d. 5-20-1990
actor, director: Frankie Remley "Phil Harris-Alice Faye Show"; "On
Stage"; "Mr. Aladdin"
11-28-1925 - Gloria Grahame - Los Angeles, CA - d. 10-5-1981
actor: "Hollywood Star Playhouse"
11-28-1925 - Robert Readick - NYC - d. 5-27-1985
actor: (Son of Frank) Bill Roberts "Rosemary"; Don Cornwell "Second
Mrs. Burton"
11-28-1925 - Virginia Hewitt - Shreveport, LA - d. 7-21-1986
actor: Coral Karlyle "Space Patrol"

November 28th deaths

01-22-1872 - Beatrice Fairfax - Washington, [removed] - d. 11-28-1945
writer: "Advice to the Lovelorn"
01-31-1915 - Garry Moore - Baltimore, MD - d. 11-28-1993
host, comedian: "Garry Moore Show"; "Camel Caravan"; "Take It or
Leave It"
02-17-1910 - Marc Lawrence - NYC - d. 11-28-2005
actor: "Let George Do It"; "This Is Your FBI"; "Scout About Town"
02-27-1880 - Georgia Burke - Atlanta, GA - d. 11-28-1985
actor: Lily "When A Girl Marries"
03-04-1934 - John Dunn - Glasgow, Scotland - d. 11-28-2004
announcer, newsreader: "Roundabout"; "Housewive's Choice"; "Breadfast
Special"
03-29-1878 - Frank Tinney - Philadelphia, PA - d. 11-28-1940
comedian, monologist: WWJ and WJR Detroit, Michigan
04-03-1783 - Washington Irving - NYC - d. 11-28-1859
author: "House of Mystery"; "Tomorrow Calling"; "American School on
the Air"
04-21-1895 - Max Jordan - San Remo, Italy - d. 11-28-1977
correspondent: "NBC News"
04-27-1898 - George McCall - Renton, Scotland - d. 11-28-1952
host: "Man About Hollywood"
05-11-1910 - Johnnie 'Skat' Davis - Brazil, IN - d. 11-28-1983
trumpet: "The Fred Waring Show"
06-04-1907 - Rosalind Russell - Waterbury, CT - d. 11-28-1976
actor: "Four-Star Playhouse"; "Silver Theatre"
06-09-1912 - Don Forbes - Camrose, Alberta, Canada - d. 11-28-1995
newscaster, announcer: "The Richfield Reporter"; Ten-Two-Four Ranch"
06-29-1899 - Lester Vail - Denver, CO - d. 11-28-1959
director: "Aldrich Family"; "March of Time"; "World's Most Honored
Flights"
07-24-1914 - Vincent Bogert - New York - d. 11-28-1978
writer: "Duffy's Tavern"
09-24-1911 - Edmund L. Hartman - St. Louis, MO - d. 11-28-2003
screenwriter: "Lux Radio Theatre"
10-06-1912 - Mel Dinelli - d. 11-28-1991
writer: "Advs. of Philip Marlowe"
10-11-1920 - Ralph Paul - Denver, CO - d. 11-28-1987
announcer: "Aldrich Family"; "True Detective Mysteries"; "Might Casey"
11-08-1916 - Norman Macdonnell - Pasadena, CA - d. 11-28-1979
producer, director: "Gunsmoke"
12-16-1911 - Howard Reilly - d. 11-28-1991
producer: "The Fred Allen Show"
xx-xx-1902 - Richy Craig, Jr. - d. 11-28-1933
monologist: "Blue Ribbon Malt Jester"
xx-xx-1908 - Fred Uttal - NYC - d. 11-28-1963
quizmaster: "Detect and Collect"; "What's My Name"; "Melody Puzzles"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:02:35 -0500
From: "Matthew Bullis" <matthewbullis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  If the Jack Benny mistakes hadn't happened.

Hello, there's one question that none of the five Jack Benny books I've read
has answered. When discussing the mistakes in dialogue, such as the chiss
sweeze and grass reek mistakes, they went into how that changed the writing
for the week's after, and also how these mistakes were never planned. What
I've never found an answer to, nor a reprint of, is what the script was like
after that part where they made a mistake, since they probably had to cut
some dialogue, or since it was near the end of the show anyway. Has anyone,
in doing research for articles or books, found the original scripts on which
these mistakes occurred, and were there funny endings we actually missed out
on, which were dwarfed or completely excised because of the actor mistake?
Thanks a lot.
Matthew

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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:12:01 -0500
From: charlie@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

A weekly [removed]

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Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
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it's always a good time!

For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
week and every week!

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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:44:49 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Back to Robert Hall

Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:36:29 -0500
From: "Glenn P.," <C128User@[removed];

I'm listening to the jingle on audio, and I think the word "again"
should not be there (on both occasions) -- [removed], that it's not present
in the actual jingle:

Maybe there were more than one version.  I remember the word "again"
being present.  I don't even think it fits the tune without it.

Why children should SING at hearing *school bells*, I have no idea.
Wouldn't "puke" be a lot more like [removed]     :)

It doesn't say they sing at hearing the school bells.  They sing
because they're in music class.

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax [removed]
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         [removed]

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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:45:57 -0500
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Benny & Allen on TV

Rob Chatlin gave some info from an article about an upcoming (2009) PBS
documentary called "Make 'Em Laugh: The Funny Business of America"
He said the article said it

will feature some long unseen clips from Fred Allen's
"Allen's Alley' TV show, and a "unique" (their quotes)
behind the scenes shot of Jack Benny and Eddie Anderson
looking over scripts. The article attributes the source of
these materials to the "March of Time" newsreels, so I'm
unsure if they've been available elsewhere.

They sure have.  They've been used over and over and over.  Many of the
shots, including the Benny, come from the MoT "Radio Broadcasting Today"
around 1947.  Some showed up in the HBO's "Remember When: On The Air" in the
early 80s, and have been seen often since then.  If the Allen's Alley is
really TV, it might be the puppet version which is probably from Omnibus.  I
do remember seeing an excerpt in a documentary in the past couple of years.
However, if it shows them at a microphone with Titus Moody saying he don't
hold with furniture that talks, it also is from that March of Time.  Not
only would that not be television, it wasn't even radio.  It was a rehearsal
or a re-creation.  Your description is making me very worried about this
documentary, and if it is on PBS they probably will letterbox the picture by
trimming off the top and bottom instead leaving it along or window-boxing it
with borders on all sides so we can see the entire image.

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:02:02 -0500
From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Christmas shows on OTR
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I've got two Christmas shows from old time radio which I particularly
like.  The first one is an episode of "Amos and Andy" in which Andy
gets a job as a department store Santa so he can afford a doll for
Amos' daughter Arbodella.  During the latter half of the episode, Amos
explains the meaning of (as I recall) the 23rd Psalm.  (This one was
being played when I heard of my Mother's cancer, which is why it's
especially significant for me.)

The next one is an episode of "Lux Radio Theater" titled, ""It's a Wonderful
Life" with Donna Reed and James Stewart.  (Some of the parts were
altered to accommodate the radio audience rather than a theater audience.
Zusu' s petals in the movie were changed to Zusu's bell in the radio
version.)
There might have been others, surely there were, but these are the two
I have in my collection.

Another OTR Fan,

Kenneth

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