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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 367
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Under rated shows                     [ "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed] ]
  Help Please!                          [ lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed]; ]
  Golden age of radio fandom            [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
  Interview With God/We Interrupt This  [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
  Film "We Interrupt This Program"      [ "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
  Re: The Next Voice You Hear           [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
  Johnny McPhee-William Johnstone-Chuc  [ "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
  More about Twenty Questions/ Johnny   [ "Baughan Roemer" <BROEMER@peoplepc. ]
  Cassette to CD                        [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
  overrated shows                       [ "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@neb. ]
  Re:calligraphy                        [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Re:" Archie" on prime time            [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  the other Tonto                       [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
  Bickersons videos                     [ bloodbleeds@[removed] ]
  Conried and Bartell                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:53:21 -0400
From: "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Under rated shows

I will have to agree with Chuck who, in digest # 364, said that 'Tales of
The Texas Rangers' is an underrated show.  It was a very well done series
about modern (1950s)crime fighting.  Another series that I think is
underrated is 'Night Beat'.  Very gritty newspaper writer stories, staring
Frank Lovejoy.  Great series, if you have never heard it give it a listen.

Roby McHone
Fairbanks, Alaska

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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:30:17 -0400
From: lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Help Please!

Can any one out there help me with 3 questions?

1. What is Mayor LaTrivias first name on F&M?

2. On The Judy Canova Show- Gale Gordon plays Judys
neighbor.  Any one know his name?

3.  On Burns And Allen Show Gale Gordon played the
wealthy Texan, Any one know his name?

I Looking for this information for a story I am doing
on Gale Gordon.  Many Thanks in advance to all and
any who help!!!!

Keep Listening!
Lynn Wagar

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Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:33:45 -0400
From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Golden age of radio fandom

Were the 1970s the golden age of radio fandom? Well,
they say the golden age of (fill in the blank) is 12,
and I was just three months shy of my 12th birthday
when I bought my first OTR program (The Green Hornet.
"The Boathouse Mystery) in 1978. So, in one sense, for
me, the 1970s were the golden age of radio fandom.

Granted, I did not own very many tapes, and most all
of them were from Radio Reruns, but in the early 80s,
every Sunday night, a Canadian radio station would
play OTR shows from 8 to 10 [removed] (if memory serves). I
would often sit in my room with my dog and listen to
the Green Hornet, the Shadow, and other favorites.

On the other hand, in many ways, this is the golden
age of radio fandom. There are, as Anthony Tollin
says, more shows available than in the 1970s; and,
there are OTR conventions, which I didn't even imagine
existed until the late 1990s, when I first heard about
them (Yes, oddly enough, despite having attended many
comicbook and science fiction conventions since the
early 1980s, it never occured to me that there might
be a gathering of radio enthusiasts somewhere. Of
course, at that time, unless it were near home, it
would've been financially impossible to attend). At
the conventions, I've been able to meet some of the
people responsible for creating the programs I've been
listening to for years.  My 12-year-old self probably
would've been jealous.

Ironically, the Cincinnati convention was taking place
during the four years I was living in that city, but I
didn't know about its existence until a full decade
after I moved. I've since attended every year; but I
can't help but wonder what I missed back in the 80s.

So when was/is the golden age of radio fandom? Well,
I'll have to go with the 12 theory myself. Of course,
given all the information available (as well as all
the shows out there to be heard) I think the
12-year-olds of today may luck out and have the
goldenest of golden ages.

Rick

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:57:24 -0400
From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Interview With God/We Interrupt This Program

Herb Harrison wondered if the TV program" We Interupt This Program" had
previously been an OTR  show. I don't know about that but his
discription of the plot sure sounds alot like the motion picture "The
Next Voice You Hear"  from 1950 starring James Whitmore and Nancy Davis
(remember her?). Powerful film.

   On a different subject our local Sam's Club in Glendora California
has stopped carrying OTR sets. I was told that they were all sent back.
I didn't get to ask the manager about it  but I would be interested to
know if this is chainwide policy or just our local store. A few months
ago they had moved them from the VHS and DVD, and video game section to
the book section where they were hard to find. I wouldn't be surprised
if they stopped selling many of them as a result.

George Aust

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:57:32 -0400
From: "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed];
To: "OTR message" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Film "We Interrupt This Program"
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Sure I remember the movie referred to by Mr. Harrison. Starred James Whitmore
and Nancy Reagan (then Nancy Davis)

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 00:57:42 -0400
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: The Next Voice You Hear

Herb Harrison asked about a TV show called We Interrupt this Program. I
recall a movie called The Next Voice You Hear. Saw it back when I was a
teenager and then managed to find it on home video a few years ago.

It has a similar premiss. G-d speaking to the world on the radio.

Fred
For the best in Old Time Radio Shows [removed]

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 02:27:01 -0400
From: "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed];
To: "OTR message" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Johnny McPhee-William Johnstone-Chuck Webster

Many thanks for that information on Johnny McPhee from Philip Chavin. And
much thanks to Mr. Tollin for telling me about William Johnstone. Can I get
lucky a third time? Does anyone have information about another "lost player"
in my mind, Chuck [removed] Ranger and then East Coast radio? Another
great voice favorite.

Don Frey

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 03:59:00 -0400
From: "Baughan Roemer" <BROEMER@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  More about Twenty Questions/ Johnny McPhee
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Following-up on the recent thread about Twenty Questions and Johnny McPhee, it
is interesting to note that, Hal Stone not withstanding , many of the young
people featured on programs of the OTR era did indeed continue leading
productive lives as grown-adults. Case-in-point , Twenty Question panel member
Johnny McPhee better known these days as best-selling & Pulitzer Prize winning
author John McPhee . A native of Princeton , New Jersey , McPhee has written
for the New Yorker since 1965 and authored over 25 books on a remarkably
wide-array of subjects . Not bad for an ex-radio panelist -not bad at all !
And now, as Paul Harvey would say, you know the rest of the story !    -
Baughan Roemer

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 04:00:50 -0400
From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cassette to CD

Hello.  I have read various enquiries on the digest about transfering your
cassettes to audio CD.  We now offer this serivce and can usually improve
the sound quality before burning to CD.  Please write to us privately and
let us know your needs so we can give you a price estimate.  You may write
to otr@[removed].  We currently do not have a web presence set up
because we want to get an idea what the market for this type of service is,
but chances are that we can be quite reasonable.  Thanks for contacting us.

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:38:06 -0400
From: "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@[removed];
To: "old time radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  overrated shows

Hi all:

We've already established that this concept is completely subjective.
Having said that, here are a few thoughts I have.
Inner Sanctum-  This show was corny even for it's time.  I have no idea how
it lasted as long as it did.  The plots were horrible and the jokes of
Raymond and the Ghost Host were awful as well.
Phillip Marlo-  Gerald Mohr was a great actor, but he just never did it for
me as Marlo.
The Lux Radio Theater-  Transferring movie scripts to radio scripts was too
gimmicky for me and the big stars often sounded wooden in their
performances.  This goes for Screen Director's Playhouse and all other shows
of type.
The Man Called X-  I know all spy/intrigue shows were timely and I've taken
this into account, but this show still doesn't measure up.  Herbert Marshall
always sounded half-awake and we won't even discuss Pagon.

By the way, responding to someone's post in the last digest discussing the
Great Gildersleeve, I have to disagree.  The show was a success because it
took on it's own identity and didn't try to copy Fibber and Molly.  If it
had, I doubt ti would have lasted at all.
ryanO

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:38:28 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re:calligraphy

My awesome Aussie buddy Ian Grieve slipped in another "zinger" in his recent
posting.

(Patiently waiting for Jugheads printers, must be using longhand)

Actually Ian, I decided to be different and unique with my book. I arranged
for a bunch of Capuchin Monks in a Latvian Monastery to use their centuries
old copying skills to turn out the finished product. Unfortunately, when the
proof finally wended it's way down the mountain trails to the nearest
airport, and I finally got it, to my dismay, it was all written in Latin. Oh
well, back to the drawing board, as they say. Tempus Fugits.

By the way, you still haven't told me where in Australia the book will be
shipped to. To save postage, I'm trying to "hit on" a Quantas stewardess to
see if I can get it hand delivered and save the freight costs. I mean,
really! Are you sure you want 30 copies sight unseen? :)

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:39:49 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re:" Archie" on prime time

Jer 51423, (on the subject of popularity of programs within the OTR hobby),
makes an interesting point. If you're from the OTR generation, a lot
depended on what shows you listened to back then. (Primarily the prime time
offerings). Jer says;

For instance, if archie had been in a weekday evening slot, no doubt it would
have caught on with me, but not on saturday mornings. Therefore, for nostalgic
reasons i identify more with henry aldrich. Switch the slots and archie may
have won out for me.

That might be true Jer. But only if the writing changed. In the Saturday
morning "kids" time slot, the plots and written material was incredibly
sophomoric. (Not to mention repetitive). It would not have attracted an
adult (mature) audience as it was then scripted. Anyone listening today, (to
any of those old recordings) has to realize that it was not designed to
compete with the humor heard in prime time. It's a "comparing apples to
apples" thing. (Dunning, in his book, gives the show a less than
enthusiastic review when comparing it to Henry Aldrich.) That bugged me a
bit. We weren't designed to compete with Henry Aldrich. If Dunning listened
to the show as an adult, (or if any of you in the OTR hobby listen to it for
the first time as an adult), I beg you not to compare our body of work with
other comedy shows like "Fibber", or "Guildersleeve" or "Aldrich". But when
it came to popular daytime kids shows, I'm proud of what we accomplished.
It's a trifle embarrassing (for me) to even attempt to compare my 15 year
career in OTR to that of Harry Bartell. But I had a job to do, loved playing
the jerky character "Jughead", and took pride in the fact that we were the
top rated Saturday daytime program on the air. Popularity, (as in Beauty) is
in the eyes (ears) and age, of the beholder.

Jer goes on to say;

Of course i go to length to explain my listing  of archie because who knows,
hal may decide to start issuing discounts on his book.

That jer is a clever one. :) However, the "discount" for the price of the
forthcoming book (patience),is already built in. I thoroughly researched
what similar OTR publications were selling for, and asked advice of people
in the know. Most books on the OTR subject were selling for $[removed] on up. I
decided to keep the list price low enough-$[removed], (336 pages with lots of
graphics) so it would be as reasonable priced as possible, and as affordable
to as many people as possible. Of course, Jer, we can even lower that price
for what is known in the trade as a "Volume discount". How many copies do
you want? :)

But I hasten to add, the book is just not about a "not for prime time" Kids
show. It's about what life was like as a performer back in those days. And
definitely, a far different writing style than the offerings that Harry
Bartell is treating us to. I had fun writing it (and a lot of grief when
computer problems flared up), and I can't wait for the "reviews" after you
guys (and gals) read it.

Hal(Harlan)Stone
"Jughead"

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:40:37 -0400
From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  the other Tonto

Occasionally I hear an ep of the Lone Ranger in which another voice, not
that of John Todd, portrays Tonto. I even heard one where the other Tonto
steps in after the break.

Any idea who the other Tonto is?

Joe Salerno

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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:41:02 -0400
From: bloodbleeds@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Bickersons videos

Hi there. Just spreading the word for my friend Paul Rapp who is selling his Bickersons 
videos. He's still updating [removed] but I have put purchase links and video 
covers up at 

[removed]

if anyone would like to see what the new Bickersons videos look like. They aren't 
available in stores - yet. So for a while, the only place to get them will be online. I'll be at 
the otr convention in Newark next month with some though, so be warned!

The Bickersons Scripts book
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Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 16:52:59 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Conried and Bartell

I have been reading a wonderful account of Hans Conried by Suzanne Gargiulo. I
found something of great interest if for no other reason, it involves our own
beloved Harry Bartell. I am quoting directly from the book: "Hans Conried, A
Biography With a Filmography and a Listing of Radio, Television, Stage and
Voice Work."

Radio actor Harry Bartell recalls an incident from his early days
reflecting on Conried's kindness: "Although I was older than he, Hans started
in radio long before I got to California. On my first network broadcast, I
appeared at CBS a total stranger. This tall, lanky guy came over and said, 'I
don't think we've met. My name is Hans Conried.' He then introduced me to all
the cast members. For the balance of my time in radio, I remembered to do the
same for newcomers who were strange to the show." Bartell would also add, "I
always felt Hans was born a century too late. He was really meant for a career
in the theatre, and the theatre of his lifetime would not allow that
type of career for a man who loved a family."

Gargiulo also mentions a little known series that Conried starred in called,
"Much About Dolittle." It was a summer series in 1950. Dolittle was a southern
gentleman who would do anything to remain unemployed. It was not a very good
show and lasted only the one summer. Does anyone know more about this show and
are any available?
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Make your day just a little better, listen to Olde Tyme Radio!

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