Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #160
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Date: 5/1/2002 8:28 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 160
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      "Same Time Same Station"              [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
      Bud Collyer, Dwight Weist & Vinton H  [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
      TV Guide's little sham list           [ "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@hotmail ]
      Crosby Bootlegs                       [ "Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@worldnet. ]
      Ron Sayles killed radio!              [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      Mr. Keene, Tracer of Lost Persons     [ Pat Albright <albright11@earthlink. ]
      [removed] uh, the Scottish Play        [ "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed]; ]
      boris karloff in otr                  [ "Edwin Ortiz" <eddieo396@[removed]; ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Re: Amusing TV Guide Rankings         [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Check out this page on [removed]         [ "jameshunt@[removed] and [removed] ]
      tv guide rankings                     [ eddie ginsburg <eddieg100@[removed] ]
      Broadcasting & Cable - The legend of  [ jameshunt@[removed] ]
      Re: Friar Roast                       [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
      Re: Amusing TV Guide Rankings         [ Ga6string@[removed] ]
      NBC "I Love You"/chime song, Round 2  [ Derek Tague <derek@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:00:08 -0400
    From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Same Time Same Station"

    Hello all.  I really recommend Jerry's program for April 28, as recently
    announced on this list.  He did a really excellent job and has some
    "Gunsmoke," programs on CD at a special price this week.  Although not
    listed in Tom's announcement, he has a brief clip of sound man Ray Kemper
    talking about the show.  I also highly recommend him as a dealer.  I have
    bought many shows from him and have never been disappointed.  I am
    currently working my way through a large batch of "You Bet Your Life,"
    shows which are in excellent audio quality.  As I mentioned earlier, he
    also has an almost complete set of "Lone Ranger," programs from 1938-41,
    not generally available from other dealers.  He has both cassette and CD
    catalogs.  The usual disclaimer applies.  I do not work for him but have
    been very satisfied.  Also, I am not intending to give him a plug, but I do
    recommend listening to his April 28 program.

    Also, thanks very much for telling us that NLS now has Dunning's book.  I
    looked him up and they are apparently going to produce his latest novel as
    well.  Now, if they would only get those books on web Braille.  I hope
    everyone does not order it at the same time because I have been wanting
    that encyclopedia for many years.

    Anyway, Jerry's sites are:

    Broadcast: [removed]
    Catalog: [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:20:04 -0400
    From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bud Collyer, Dwight Weist & Vinton Hayworth.

    Recently there was discussion on the Digest about Bud Collyer, Dwight
    Weist and Vinton Hayworth.  In my book, Words at War, I discuss Collyer
    and Weist particularly, in regard to their roles in the biggest
    controversy to affect actors in the early 1950s.  Weist worked on the
    March of Time, the training ground for many NY actors.  He was a highly
    skilled mimic and I quote some interesting remarks he made about working
    on the show.  Collyer, a popular, much in demand announcer and MC, played
    a pivotal role in the issues of the time.  I interviewed many  actors
    about him and came up with a fascinating picture of the man.

    Scarecrow Press plans to issue Words at War, (about radio in the World
    War II era,) in October. The full title is "Words at War: World War II
    Era Radio Drama and the Postwar Broadcasting Industry Blacklist." It's
    based on extensive archival research and my interviews of Art Carney,
    Arthur Miller, Norman Corwin,  Jackson Beck, Pete Seeger, Clifton
    Fadiman, Arthur Laurents and many others. The publisher will retail it
    for $[removed] However, I have negotiated a pre-publication bulk purchase so
    that I can offer it at [removed]

    	For a pre-publication order or a fuller description of the book, please
    send a message with a. your home address b. the number of copies desired
    to Khovard@[removed] or Howard Blue, 1951 Valentines Rd., Westbury, NY
    11590. No payment is required at this time.

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    Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 12:53:36 -0400
    From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  TV Guide's little sham list

    Sean Dougherty writes about that ridiculous "50 Greatest Shows" list in the
    new issue:

>     Anyhow, people on this digest might find the list equally diverting

    Try infinitely nauseating. As for the radio-to-TV migrants that Sean
    suggests discussing:

    "Seinfeld" is "the best show of all time" while Jack Benny is relegated to a
    short mention in the "pioneer" honorable mention sidebar. That alone should
    make blood boil in the veins of anyone who has taste.

    "Nightline" is one of only two news programs listed, while I can't see a
    single mention anywhere of Ed Murrow. "See it Now" knocked Joe McCarthy off
    his fraudulent soapbox; Ted Koppel wouldn't have the guts to do what Murrow
    needed to (and did).

    Also interested to see that, although the text of the piece did not limit
    itself to only American-made programs, that's all we got. Therefore, TV
    Guide doesn't have any excuses for omitting the many excellent British-made
    programs over the years, including one that has an OTR incarnation (if one
    considers the South African radio adaptation of it): "The Avengers."

    Oh, and they have the nerve to ask, "Who else [other than Ed Sullivan]
    welcomed both Ethel Merman and Janis Joplin?" I think a quick check of Red
    Skelton's TV show logs will confirm that he's one of the two others (the
    second being Dick Cavett). Of course, neither Skelton or Cavett are
    mentioned at all in the piece, either.

    To quote Fibber McGee, that article is fuller of tripe than the inside of a
    cow.

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    Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:50:02 -0400
    From: "Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Crosby Bootlegs

    Bhob (in a transcription released at a more convienent time) started to ask,

>     I am interested in reading some details about the infamous Crosby bootleg
>     [removed]

    These recordings, more commonly called "Blow-ups," originate from Decca, not
    RCA.
    In recent years, many of them have been released commercially including the
    most famous "Wrap Your Troubles in Dreams" (Bing Crosby: His Legendary Years
    (MCA 10887)) and "One Hundred and Fifty Acres" (Bing Crosby and the Andrews
    Sisters: Their Complete Recordings Together (MCAD2-11503))

    The drunken, swearing Crosby was from a conversation Bing had with his
    producer, Jack Kapp, because he got it into his head that he didn't want to
    record a song ("I Wished on the Moon") because he thought the author was a
    real bastard and didn't want him to get any royalties from it. (Jonzo
    JZCD-16)

    I am sure that when these takes were saved many found their way out of the
    Decca studios. The fact that the original takes still exist is a testament
    to the allure of Crosby, then the world's biggest star.  It is also a
    testament to the fact that the man seemed to have little ego, as he could
    have easily made sure that these things never saw the light of day in the
    first place

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    Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:27:52 -0400
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Ron Sayles killed radio!

    Aha!  So you're the one!

    I think not.  All of us fans back then were fascinated by television.  The
    newness, the curiosity, the novelty.

    The fact that the screen hypnotizes, much like the old fashioned flaming
    and the new fangled computer Internet.  Or had you noticed?

    And fairly quickly, most of the great radio programs and stars were
    appearing on television, either alternating between the mediums or just
    dropping radio.  The few holdouts finally came around, like Jack Benny
    (brilliantly).  Those few that did not simply disappeared, like Fred Allen
    (sadly).

    Radio killed itself.  Actually, greed killed radio and is doing so again,
    just as it killed television.

    Oh, if only the FCC had ruled that the radio networks could not own both
    radio and TV networks, following the logic it promulgated when it made NBC
    the Blue.

    [removed], I'll not get into that whole can of worms.

    So don't be too hard on yourself, Ron.  This Ron had a part in it, too.

    Lee Ronald Munsick, [removed] Ron Pierce

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    Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:34:33 -0400
    From: Pat Albright <albright11@[removed];
    To: OldRadio Mailing Lists <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Mr. Keene, Tracer of Lost Persons

    Herb Harrison ([removed] Digest V2002 #154) wrote:

>     Question: Are any copies of this program available on tape, broadcast, or
>     webcast, or are the episodes (if they exist) tied up in
>     copyright/restricted rights/private collection "limbo"?

    There's one episode of Mr. Keene on the Radio Spirits collection, "Old Time
    Radio's 60 All-Time Favorites," CD #19, "The Mother's Plea Murder Case,"
    4/23/52.

    Pat

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    Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 00:51:00 -0400
    From: "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  [removed] uh, the Scottish Play

    Superstition is one of my favorite topics, and always fun to research. Quite
    a bit is written about the fear of mentioning MacBeth, mostly involving
    witchcraft and the occult nature of the play. The most convincing
    explanation I have found is much more down to earth, and dates back to the
    time of Shakespeare himself. MacBeth was his shortest play, and always a big
    crowd-pleaser, even in the early days, making it a logical last-minute
    addition to the repertory of a failing theatrical company at the end of a
    bad season. What with inadequate rehearsal time and the low spirits of the
    actors at that point, not to mention the hazardous sword-fighting onstage,
    many a company has folded up after a performance of MacBeth marred by
    accidents or just simply bad.

    Doug Leary

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    Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 00:51:09 -0400
    From: "Edwin Ortiz" <eddieo396@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  boris karloff in otr

    Hi otr fans im looking for some help does anybody out there know if boris
    karloff appreared on any otr series. i thought he had a great voice and i
    loved to hear it on a  radio show , thanks for any help.

    eddieo

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    Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 04:52:00 -0400
    From: lois@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

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    Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:36:20 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

      From Those Were The Days --

    1931 - Singer Kate Smith began her long and illustrious radio career
    with CBS on this, her birthday. The 22-year-old Smith started out with
    no sponsors and a paycheck of $10 a week for the nationally broadcast
    daily program. However, within 30 days, her salary increased to a more
    respectable $1,500 a week.

      Joe

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    Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:37:11 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Amusing TV Guide Rankings

      Sean Dougherty queried --

>     How can anyone who's actually seen the programs have ranked Friends ahead
>     of Burns & Allen (which didn't even make the list), for example?

      I had similar thoughts yesterday when some of the rankings were
    mentioned on a morning radio program.  One of the other people on the
    show (not a co-host, but staff member) asked what was the average age of
    the responders and where did they live, etc.  Good questions.  If they
    were college kids that would be different than if older folks answered.
      Joe (who watches maybe 60-90 minutes of news a day, the History
    Channel and Sunday talking heads.)

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    Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:39:20 -0400
    From: "jameshunt@[removed] and [removed]"<jameshunt@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Check out this page on [removed]

    Don Hunt (jameshunt@[removed]) thought you would be interested in this
    item from [removed]

    [removed];&news&newsflash-newjersey

    Don Hunt says:
    The death of Del Sharbut

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    Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:38:35 -0400
    From: eddie ginsburg <eddieg100@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  tv guide rankings

    as much as I loved the Burns and Allen show
    it was never a big hit on tv,
    if I am not mistaking,
    the ratings werre not very high
    nor did it win many,if any emmys
    There are few older tv shows that hold up as well as
    George and Gracie's did
    but, although I hate that it did not make the list,
    I can understand it
    eddie

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    Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:40:06 -0400
    From: jameshunt@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Broadcasting & Cable - The legend of the NBC
     chimes

    As new subscriber to this forum, i'm aware this may be
    "old hat". Nevertheless, i found this on the May edition
    of "The Bing Crosby Internet Museum" and thought i would
    pass it along. DH

    The legend of the NBC chimesRead the full article at: [removed];articleid=CA200100&display=Supplement&title=The+legend+of+the+NBC+chimes&pubdate=03/11/2002

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    Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:40:21 -0400
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Friar Roast

    Martin, I've got one tape that was made at the Roast of an old time film
    producer - Harry Cohn.

    It has George Burns, Jack Benny, and Art Linkletter. Give me some time to
    dig it out and I'll let you know the length.

    Fred
    [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:41:52 -0400
    From: Ga6string@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Amusing TV Guide Rankings

    Hi all,

    Thanks, Sean, for pointing out that listing. I agree with you on the omission
    of "Dragnet." Further, I can't imagine what they were thinking to rank
    "Seinfield" first, while M*A*S*H was 25th. Twenty-fifth? Are they nuts? And
    to put "Star Trek: The Next Generation" (which I really enjoyed) on the list,
    but not the original "Trek"? And won't history have something to say about
    "NYPD Blue," a top show for nine years and counting? And how could "Buffy the
    Vampire Slayer" be on this list? Hmmm. Well, I guess that's why they create
    this things -- to get people [removed]

    BSP

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Although the talking should probably be on the sister list,
    The Kinescope, which deals specifically with nostalgic television. Available
    in interactive and digest versions, see
    [removed] for more information.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:28:48 -0400
    From: Derek Tague <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  NBC "I Love You"/chime song, Round 2

    Jell-O Again, fellow Digest-ers!

        Recently,one topic hereupon was the re-surfacing of the little-known NBC
    chime song. At that time, I had provided sketchy details about a late-1970s
    episode of "Saturday Night  Live" which featured that song. Thanks to a repeat
    on cable's E! (Entertainment Television) last night (Tues. 04-30-2002), I can
    flesh out the details.

        Before the segment begins, off-camera announcer Don Pardo announces
    "It's  11:30 Bulova Watch Time" [SFX: NBC chimes]. An tuxedo-ed 1940's-era
    radio Announcer played by Dan Ackroyd, announcing for the NBC Red Network,
    introduces  Howard Shore [didn't he just win an Oscar for scoring some film?]
    and the NBC Orchestra featuring vocalist Garrett Morris [he actually isn't a
    bad singer]. Morris, accompanied by Gilda Radner, Laraine Newman, and Jane
    Curtin [wasn't her father an OTR actor?],proceed to sing the song in question;
    Ackroyd--still in character, intones the familiar "Live from New York,etc."
    opening.

        I remember seeing this first-run, and what amazes me is that it was played
    "straight" and not for laughs-- as an obvious paean to the Golden Age of
    network radio.  However, the E! Channel, which is presently re-running the
    original-cast SNLs every weeknight at 7 [removed], does not seem to be showing
    these  programs in any logical order ([removed], the previous night's re-run was an
    Elliott Gould- hosted  outing from 1976). Anybody wishing to see this
    wonderfully  nostalgic piece needs to keep a look-out for the episode hosted
    by the Rolling Stones, with then-NYC mayor Ed Koch
    delivering the opening monologue, which originally aired on October 7th,
    1978.

        For the Old-Time Radio Digest, this is your announcer, Derek Tague,
    signing off. This is NBC--the National Broadcasting  [removed]!, bong!,
    BONG!

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