Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #148
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Date: 4/19/2002 9:03 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 148
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Madame Queen's Entrance               [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      1st appearance of the Bickersons?     [ bloodbleeds@[removed] ]
      Jan. 2003 NY City seminars on OTR     [ khovard@[removed] ]
      Re: Polygraph                         [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      Dealing with [removed]               [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      you're leaving!!!                     [ " Dial" <epminney@[removed]; ]
      Daily Radio Serials                   [ Chris & Carla White <cncwhite@ricon ]
      Re: The Stooges - Pillsbury           [ "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed] ]
      Re: Gloria Stuart                     [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
      The Aldrich Family                    [ "william mahan" <wmahan@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:03:30 -0400
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Madame Queen's Entrance

    Bill Mahon's discussion of the trial on A&A was most interesting.  I wish
    I'd heard that episode.  I hope his question gets a reply, about the long
    period of laughter which Mr. Mahon thinks was the studio audience, perhaps
    prepared for what happened next, and perhaps not.

    This raises a question in my mind.  It's always been my understanding that
    "crowd noise" in scripted shows, was provided by the actors and other pros
    in the studio, never by the studio audience.  I assumed the reason was that
    the cast and perhaps band members and the like could be faded down or
    stopped when required.  That might well have been difficult with the
    audience, and seriously could throw off the timing of the show.  Whatever
    happened during the long period with no lines in the A&A episode to which
    Mr. Mahon refers must have been anticipated by the cast, director and the
    like, and its timing taken into account.

    Can our pros answer the question of just how much (if at all) studio
    audiences were used for sounds, other than in audience participation shows?

    Regards to all from your resident expert at walla walla mumbo jumbo.  Take
    the above, for instance.

    Hah!  Beat you to the keyboard, Hal Stone!   I know what you were going to say.

    But try this experiment:  for excellent background crowd noise, get four
    people together and simultaneously read all the above (without groaning),
    each person starting at the same time, but two paragraphs further into this
    gem.  Results could be fun, but you will find that it is not easy.

    I'm sure many of you in school tried the trick of using a tape recorder and
    speaking into its mike, while hearing yourself on earphones attached to the
    playback head.  This is exactly the problem talk show hosts have with
    callers who don't turn down their radio once on the air.  They just stop in
    uttering confusion. Ouch!

    Lee Munsick

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    Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:03:42 -0400
    From: bloodbleeds@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  1st appearance of the Bickersons?

    Hi. I'm trying to find out what exact show of the Chase and Sanborn Hour the Bickersons
    first appeared. Also, is there a collection of C&SH shows anywhere? I'm writing a book on
    the Bickersons, and would Very much like to find their true origin. If you can help, I'll mention
    you in the book! :)
    Thanks.

    Ben Ohmart

    The Great Gildersleeve book
    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:03:47 -0400
    From: khovard@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jan. 2003 NY City seminars on OTR

    I am working with two prominent New York City institutions to run a
    series (either separately or cosponsored by both of them) of seminars on
    various aspects of Old Time Radio in January.

    We are considering having sessions on comedy, the soaps, drama and
    perhaps children's shows.

    I would appreciate some suggestions for the series.

    1. I know a number of actors and authors in the New York area. But ,
    assuming I might forget or be unaware of some good ones, I would
    appreciate your suggestions
    2. If we ran four or five sessions, please let me know what you think the
    topics of the seminars should be if you disagree with my breakdown above.

    Howard Blue
    author of "WORDS AT WAR," a new book about World War II era radio drama
    (see below)

    A new book about  radio in the World War II era is slated for publication
    this fall by Scarecrow Press. After interviewing Arthur Miller, Norman
    Corwin, Art Carney, Jackson Beck, Pete Seeger, Arthur Laurents and many
    others, and doing extensive archival research, Howard Blue has written
    WORDS AT WAR: WORLD WAR II ERA RADIO DRAMA & THE  POSTWAR BROADCASTING
    INDUSTRY BLACKLIST.  The publisher will retail the bok for $[removed]
    However, Howard has made a prepublication bulk purchase so that he can
    offer it at [removed]

    	For a pre-publication order or a fuller description of the book,
    contact
    Howard at Khovard@[removed] or Howard Blue, 1951 Valentines Rd., Westbury

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    Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:04:18 -0400
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Polygraph

    In a message dated 4/17/02 11:27:14 PM, Jack & Cathy French asks:

>     Any body recall the name of the OTR crime series that featured Leonarde
>     Keeler and the his polygraph (lie-detector) ?  I used to listen to the
>     show as a kid, but can't remember the title.

    ***It wouldn't be the 1945 summer series MYSTERY IN THE AIR, would it.  I
    know at least the first episode was about the polygraph (of which WONDER
    WOMAN-creator William Moulton Marston was a co-inventer).  The series starred
    Steven Courtleigh (who briefly took over as The Shadow that fall) as
    detective Stonewall Scott, with a cast that included Joan Vitez and Ed
    Jerome.  The NBC series was a summer replacement for THE ABBOTT & COSTELLO
    SHOW. --Anthony Tollin

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    Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:04:26 -0400
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dealing with [removed]

    Perhaps off topic, but this may help and protect some readers.

    I ordered a CD through Amazon's systems whereby one can "pre-order"
    material and when one of their "partner" dealers locates the item, it's
    billed and sent direct to the customer.  The CD had been wet, and arrived
    with the glossy-paper booklet stuck together like one piece of
    cardboard.  Can't get it open to read it.  The back page was stuck to the
    CD, so I can't read the CD label.  The "crystal box" was broken.

    I complained to Amazon twice, with no response.  The third time I used some
    rather forceful language (not swear words, just clearly telling them what I
    thought of them) which got a reply, but not really a response: a lengthy
    form letter from "Customer Relations", which basically said they had no
    control over their third parties.  Read:  tough luck, Charley!  Better luck
    next time.  "Customer Relations" hah! They clearly have no idea what the
    words and concept mean.

    I've dealt with other similar situations on the Internet where the
    go-between immediately contacted their errant dealer, solved the problem,
    and had a refund sent to me within a day.

    So there won't be a next time with Amazon.  I'm cancelling all existing
    pre-orders with them, and told them clearly I will never deal with Amazon
    again.  I realize that won't phase them a bit, but even that large industry
    gets its customers one order at a time.

    I report this to you all in the hope that it will save you good readers
    from similar trashing at their hands.

    Caveat Emptor!     Which means "you're dealing with an empty cave instead
    of brains"!

    I can add this one more example of what NOT to do dealing with one's
    customers in business, to others I've used, doing and teaching in 30+ years
    of Marketing, Public Relations, and Customer Relations.

    Lee Munsick

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    Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:04:32 -0400
    From: " Dial" <epminney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  you're leaving!!!

    Dear Charlie--I just had a shocking thought:  with you going to the
    Convention, does this mean that we faithful Digesters must remain
    bereft of our daily postings?  While you're out swanning about with all
    the great folks in Cincinnati, must we remain at our humdrum jobs
    pining for news from the world of OTR for THREE whole days?  Good
    grief!  Guess I'd better get a book! (Have a wonderful time--all of you
    Elizabeth Minney

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    Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:04:36 -0400
    From: Chris & Carla White <cncwhite@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Daily Radio Serials

    Hi,

    I am collecting old time radio shows and am currently looking for some of
    the 15 minute daily radio soaps and adventure serials such as Buck Rogers,
    Captain Midnight, etc. If anyone has any or knows about any, please contact
    me.

                                    Thanks,
                                 Bryant White

    [removed] I am also looking for old "Superman" radio shows to give to a child I
    know, who is a huge Superman fan, but knows nothing at all about the radio
    show. I'd like to get him interested in otr.

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    Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:04:40 -0400
    From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: The Stooges - Pillsbury

       In #145 Elizabeth mentioned the Columbia Pictures--Pillsbury advertising
    tie-in involving the Three Stooges in 1937.

       I can add this:  A 1937 newspaper ad said: "Free! 2 sets of Moving
    Pictures and Moving Picture Machine!  Get one at your grocer's free with two
    packages of Pillsbury's Farina. ... Real movies of the Three Stooges". ...
    See Columbia's Three Stooges at your local theatre." (You assembled a
    cardboard device which then showed you a "movie" of the Stooges when you
    turned its crank.) I guess that ad meant that you got the kit free if you
    *bought* two packages of Farina.

       One Saturday in the 1940s each of us kids leaving a 7-unit movie matinee
    in Chicago received the above-described "moving picture machine" as a gift.
    Probably these were left-overs from 1937.  I've read that an
    unassembled/unpunched kit could sell for a coupla grand today.

    -- Phil Chavin  (No, I didn't save my movie machine.)

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    Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:04:23 -0400
    From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Gloria Stuart

    Walden Hughes mentioned that he is having Gloria Stuart on YUSA this Sunday
    and Anthony Tollin mentioned that Gloria Stuart co-starred with Richard Dix
    and the voice of Bill Forman in the first of William Castle's WHISTLER
    movies.

    It is THAT movie that will be shown as part of the "Radio Goes to the
    Movies" on May 10 through 12. The Whistler movie will follow the recreation
    of a Whistler radio show, one of four radio recreations at the Egyptian
    Theater in Hollywood.

    The Egyptian will also be having a Gloria Stuart Tribute on April 27 and 28.
    On Saturday the 27th they will show "The Invisible Man" followed by a
    discussion with Gloria Stuart in person. Then she will introduce two more of
    her films: "Gold Diggers of 1935" and "The Old Dark House." On Sunday the
    28th she'll return for "Titanic".

    For more information on the "Gloria Stuart Tribute" or "Radio Goes to the
    Movies", see [removed]

    Barbara

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    Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:19:54 -0400
    From: "william mahan" <wmahan@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Aldrich Family
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    TV sitcoms of the 50s are often criticized for their vanilla portrayal of
    family life.  Television learned the whitewash trick from radio.  No show was
    more squeaky clean than the Aldrich Family.  At least Beaver had Eddie
    Haskell.  The toughest kid on the Aldrich Family was Homer's girlfriend
    Gladys.  The voices of Ezra Stone as Henry, and Jackie Kelk as Homer were
    outstanding for their characters.  Henry's oft repeated "Geee Whiz" and
    Homer's whiney befuddlements left these teens totally non-threatening,
    vulnerable, and hilarious - with families they could depend on.   The show
    worked for me, perhaps because I was smarter than them.  I knew what reality
    was and they didn't.

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