Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #297
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 9/8/2001 7:28 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2001 : Issue 297
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Telephone Hour                        [ Joe Salerno <salernoj@[removed]; ]
      My top 5 favorites                    [ elliot s ferber <otrcollector@juno. ]
      Re: A&A Illustrated and On Film       [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Missing word/Quiet Please             [ ARago17320@[removed] ]
      Johnny Carson Show                    [ "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed]; ]
      scrapple                              [ lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed]; ]
      Favorites                             [ Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed] ]
      Age, favorites                        [ Timothy Clough <tmclough@[removed]; ]
      MP3 questions                         [ Timothy Clough <tmclough@[removed]; ]
      Andy Devine                           [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
      Unusual Occupations                   [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      favorite 5                            [ "b bush" <bbush@[removed]; ]
      Tales of the OTR Heroes               [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      Re: Quote to ID                       [ Frank Kendall <efkendall@[removed]; ]
      OTR Favorites: it was the writing     [ Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed] ]
      HEAVY SHELLACKING                     [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      SCI/FI FI                             [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      5 favorites                           [ John Politis <politisj@[removed] ]
      SMILIN' ED                            [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      Favorites                             [ "Merv" <merv@[removed]; ]
      DA BOYZ SING FOR DA BOYZ              [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
      Froggy the Gremlin                    [ ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Fun ]
      Frances Langford                      [ ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Fun ]
      16in sleeves /address                 [ "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:10:03 -0400
    From: Joe Salerno <salernoj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Telephone Hour

    Mr. Atlas tuned in and wrote:

>     5) Bell Telephone Hour--great instrumental soloists and popular classics
>     make this show a gem to hear on a winter evening. I have a wonderful show
>     featuring pianist Josef Hoffman.

    Hofmann made 8 appearances on the BTH, among many other great classical
    musicians. In the days of live radio, live music was the norm. Too bad it is
    so infrequent today.

    Joe Salerno

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    Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:06:53 -0400
    From: elliot s ferber <otrcollector@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  My top 5 favorites

    1-The Great Gildersleeve
    2-Fibber McGee And Molly
    3-Johnny Dollar 5-Part shows
    4-Duffy's Tavern
    5-Jack Benny
    and my list can go on and on from there.
    I'm 55 years old and have been an OTR fan for about 20 years

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    Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:22:17 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: A&A Illustrated and On Film

    Conrad Binyon recollects,

>     I remember doing a small role on the
>     show as part of a dinner table scene where two of us kids were
>     the children of the characters involved. in the story episode
>     presented.  I don't know why I think the girl may have been done
>     by Barbara Jean Wong, and I may be mistaken, but I was the boy.
>     *grin*.

    Your memory is right on the button -- Barbara Jean Wong, played Amos and
    Ruby's daughter Arbadella from 1940 (when she was fourteen) to 1954. My
    best guess for the episode you were in is the 35th and final episode of
    sitcom season 3, aired on 5/28/46, entitled "Andy and the Kingfish
    Babysit." Unfortunately, no recording is currently known -- the 1945-46
    season is the biggest gap in existing half-hour A&A, and even the LOC
    only has one episode from this season.

    As her name suggests, Barbara Jean Wong -- often billed in her younger
    years as "the Shirley Temple of Radio" -- was of Chinese-American
    descent, and during the live-audience A&A episodes in which she appeared,
    a special point was made of introducing her during the pre-show warmup in
    order to ensure that there would be no audible reaction of surprise from
    the audience at the sight of a young Asian woman playing an
    African-American girl. As odd as it might seem today, casting Wong in
    this part was no conscious attempt at "non-traditional casting" -- she
    was in fact widely recognized as one of the finest child impersonators in
    Hollywood, and was considered by far the best actress available for the
    role.

    And Joe Salerno wonders about certain A&A short-subject film appearances

>     The March of Time: Vol. 4. No. 5. A March of Time Inc. Production. Released
>     12/23/37 by RKO Radio Pictures Inc. Narrated by Westbrook Van Voorhis. 2
>     reels, 20 minutes.

>     Unusual Occupations. A Paramount Picture. Released ??/??/45 by Paramount
>     Pictures Inc. Produced by Jerry Fairbanks. Narrated by Ken Carpenter.
>     Photographed in Cinecolor. 1 reel, 10 mins.

>     Are these films currently available for purchase?

    The "March of Time" footage is held by the National Archives, and may be
    viewed there -- but is still under copyright. The rights to the series
    are controlled by Archive Films in New York, who would have to grant
    permission for a duplicate print to be struck. The edition noted above,
    in which Correll and Gosden display the bound copies of their scripts and
    demonstrate how they put their show together each night, also features
    appearances by Fred Allen, Jack Benny, Eddie Cantor, and Phil Baker, as
    part of a segment on "The Laugh Business."

    The entire "Unusual Occupations" series is currently owned by Shields
    Pictures Inc. of Santa Monica, which bought the assets of Jerry Fairbanks
    Productions several years ago. Many of these shorts are currently
    licensed to the American Movie Classics cable channel, and are used as
    filler between programs.

    I've never seen the 1945 A&A sequence on AMC, but they *do* show a 1946
    segment in which Charles Correll makes a fleeting appearance. Look for
    the "Unusual Occupations" edition focusing on actress Gail Patrick's
    hobby of providing custom-designed clothes for Hollywood kids -- three of
    the Correll children (Dorothy, Barbara, and Charles Jr.) are among the
    youngsters shown modeling the fashions, and Charlie can be seen leaning
    back in his chair, beaming at his progeny and trying not to laugh out
    loud at the rather foofy clothes they've been done up in.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 21:59:24 -0400
    From: ARago17320@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Missing word/Quiet Please

    Hi again,

    In my list on digest 295 I see that my fingers got off the train a stop early
    and just listed The Mysterious as one of my 5 favorites and left off the
    Traveler.  I saw that and felt a bit stupid.

    In the same issue of this great digest, Lanny Gilbert mentioned Quiet Please
    and said he liked The Beezer's Celler more the On The Fourble Board.  My
    purpose here is to highly recommend Beezer's Celler to those who have not
    heard it.  I can never remember individual episodes of shows when people
    start to mention their favorite scary shows but this one episode stands out
    in my mind.  I got the chills at 63 years of age on this one.  Don't miss it
    if these kind of stories are what you enjoy.

    Just curious about Ernest Chappell, the man who stars in QP.  Is there anyone
    who has any knowledge of how he was thought of or placed in the hierarchy of
    actors on radio.  From the shows I have heard, I thought he was sensational.
    Thanks for any input that may be forthcoming.

    Take care,

    Al Ragonnet

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    Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 23:11:50 -0400
    From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
    To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Johnny Carson Show

    Yes, I remember Johnny Carson on radio.  One summer he was doing summer
    replacement in Hollywood for (yikes, what was his name?).  I was under the
    impression that it was on ABC. However, the man (and his wife) that got us
    all together for a barbeque at the beach, Bob Lehman, was a producer for
    KHJ, [removed] Johnny's show could have been there.  Shortly after that,
    Johnny  got well known and had his own show.  Incidentally, it was a
    hilarious night, with him narrating the problems he had with the man where
    he tried to buy firewood for our campfire, etc etc.  The six of us were in
    stitches!  (Johnny, first wife - high school sweetheart and mother of his
    boys; Bob and Linda Lehman; and Howard Culver and me.)

    Lois Culver
    KWLK Radio (Mutual) Longview, WA 1941-44
    KFI Radio (NBC) Los Angeles CA 1945-47, 50-53
    Widow of Howard Culver, actor

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:16:33 -0400
    From: lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  scrapple

    There has been alot of talk about scrapple.  scrapple
    sounds alot like something-a german dish (we think)
    we make called Funhaus.  Boil up all the left overs
    from slaughtered pig.  Take juice, keep small pieces
    of meat. Then you added corn meal, flour, nut meg,
    salt, pepper, all spice. Fill loaf pans and let set.
    when harden pull out of bread pans, slice, fry in
    grease till crispy.  Eat like that or my can put
    maple or pancake syrup on it.  My family loves it
    but we don't make it any more because of the fat
    and cholesterol.  Sound like the same thing?

    Lynn Wagar

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:16:40 -0400
    From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Favorites

    My Favorite Five:

    1. The show on which I worked most often.

    2. The show with the biggest check.

    3. The show with the best roles.

    4. The show with the best scripts.

    5. The show that was most fun to do.

    Harry Bartell

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:20:01 -0400
    From: Timothy Clough <tmclough@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Age, favorites

    I'm 34 years old. My first exposure to OTR was when I was around 12 or 13.
    My mother had bought some OTR shows, and I got to listen to them while I
    was sick for a week. There were several series in the set, but the only
    ones that I specifically remember were the Lone Ranger, Gunsmoke, and
    Burns and Allen. I also remember the cassette player I listened to them on
    and the problems I had with it not taking up the slack.

    My second exposure to OTR, which has since become a regular hobby, was in
    1995 at a "local" Walden Books. There, they had several sets of OTR shows,
    including some that included Burns and Allen, of which I picked up one
    set, listened to everything, then went back for another, also including
    Burns and Allen. The reason for choosing sets including Burns and Allen
    was my memories of it from several years before, as well as my father's
    talk about what it was like. From there on, I was hooked (and not just
    Burns and Allen).

    As for my favorites, any comedy is good, but my favorites are (in no
    particular order--that depends on what I'm currently listening to) Burns
    and Allen (yes, even still), Jack Benny, and Our Miss Brooks. These
    three are always great. In other genres, currently I like Dimension X/X
    Minus One and Gunsmoke the best, but as my collection grows and my
    horizons broaden, these choices may change.

    Timothy Clough

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:20:27 -0400
    From: Timothy Clough <tmclough@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  MP3 questions

    I recently ordered a new computer which is coming with something new for
    me--a CD-RW drive. I plan on copying my OTR cassettes to CD-R(W)s, both as
    audio CDs and MP3s. That way, if somebody wants a copy of one of my
    shows, they can get a copy of my audio CD version, unless they
    specifically want an MP3. Does anybody else use this system?

    I also plan on buying a Rio Volt MP3/CD player in the near future. From my
    research thus far, it is clear that it will display both filenames and ID3
    tags. Does it do both at the same time? My main question, however, is how
    do people who use the Rio Volt with OTR programs name their files and/or
    label their ID3 tags for different pieces of information? Personally, I
    would want at least the series title, episode title or description, and
    the date (if known).

    Also, I know that OTR is usually encoded at 22 KHz, 32 kbps. Could
    somebody please explain what these numbers mean and how they differ and/or
    relate to each other, or else point me to a good website that explains
    this?

    It's a little late but my idea of computer hell: Being forced to use
    nothing but Microsoft software!

    Timothy Clough, whose new computer will have the Linux OS preinstalled

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:21:09 -0400
    From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Andy Devine

    Andy Devine _had_ to have done some radio with that unique voice.  Thus I
    feel that it's proper to ask those who are familiar with Hollywood monuments
    about Andy's star on the Walk of Fame (or whatever it is) in Hollywood.  His
    name is spelled incorrectly: it says "Andy Divine."  I can't imagine who'd
    make a mistake like this, unless there's an Andy Divine who was famous in
    movies.

    This sounds like the sort of thing that Mr Gwynne or Mrs Culver might know
    about.  Does the Walk of Fame have a gripe department?

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:21:31 -0400
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Unusual Occupations

    Joe asks about an Unusual Occupations film short that featured Amos and
    [removed]

    Joe, I was awake in the middle of the night a few days ago and I turned
    on the TV just in time to catch an episode of Unusual Occupations,
    narrated by Ken Carpenter.  I'm embarrassed to admit I can't remember
    what occupation was discussed, but I do know it had nothing to do with
    Amos and Andy.

    It must have been on either AMC or TCM.  It was not listed on the
    schedule; just plugged in to fill time between the end of one movie and
    the top-of-the-hour beginning of the next movie.

    You should be able to email both these cable networks and ask if they
    have the episode you're looking for.  But you probably need a more exact
    date; I think there are a lot of different episodes all with the same
    title (Unusual Occupations), and I don't think it had a subtitle.

    Best of luck,

    ---Dan

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:21:46 -0400
    From: "b bush" <bbush@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  favorite 5

    Hi All;

    Picking the favorite 5 is a bit [removed]
    I'm 50, and have collected radio shows since 1967 back  when the cost was
    about $15 for  6 programed hours on a  reel-to-reel tape. It took forever to
    be able to afford many programs. This is one instance I'm glad times have
    changed!

    My faves;

    1. I Love A Mystery/Adventures by Morse
    2. Jack Benny
    3. Speed Gibson of the International Police
    4. Shadow of Fu Manchu
    5. Adventures of Frank Merriwell

    and honorable mentions; Hop Harrigan, Jack Armstrong, Broadway is My Beat,
    and Johnny Dollar.

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:32:27 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Tales of the OTR Heroes

    Nik Kierniesky, speculating on the directions the OTR hobby will take,
    observes,

>     Nostalgia will die with the people who directly listened to or worked
>     in OTR. We still have 20 years or so, I hope! The entertainment value of
>     OTR lives on for many shows, as evidenced by the favorite shows of
>     younger enthusiasts.

    This brings up a corollary.  A lot of shows are lost, and what remains is
    sometimes "impure."  By this, I mean that the majority of the stories
    that used to be broadcast haven't survived in their original form.  To
    take an example I'm very familiar with, besides my own book, there are
    only five books of any sort devoted to the exploits of Captain Midnight.
    Three were derived from the radio scripts.  Two were Better Little Books:
    Captain Midnight and the Secret Squadron, and "Captain Midnight ...
    Versus the Terror of the Orient.  The third was a Whitman "book for
    girls," Joyce of the Secret Squadron.  These were written by R. R.
    Winterbotham.  However, there were two other Better Little Books, Captain
    Midnight and the Moon Woman, and Captain Midnight and Sheik Jomak Khan.
    These were derived from a newspaper comic-strip, which was based closely
    on the OTR show, but wasn't quite the same, and had different stories
    altogether.  Now the point is that somebody 50 years from now running
    into surviving copies of these last two BLBs might think that its stories
    were originally aired, which would be in error.

    While I'm on the subject, I'll point out that two BLBs were published of
    OTR adventures of Jack Armstrong: Jack Armstrong and the Ivory Treasure,
    and Jack Armstrong  and the Mystery of the Iron Key.  These were derived
    from the radio scripts, so those who thirst for Jack Armstrong tales
    might be able to visit further adventures.

    However, there were BLBs of Lone Ranger and Orphan Annie stories that
    there's no clear indication of their origins.  So there we are.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:38:37 -0400
    From: Frank Kendall <efkendall@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Quote to ID

    My recolection is that "plunk your magic twanger
    froggie" is from the Howdy Doodie show as delivered by
    Buffalo Bob.

    Anybody remember "Hi, my name's Buster Brown, I live
    in a shoe, here's my dog Tigue, he lives in there
    too"?

    Frank Kendall
    [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:11:01 -0400
    From: Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR Favorites: it was the writing

    A while back Glen wrote:

>     "My five favorite otr shows in order of preferrence

    are Fibber McGee, Jack Benny, Suspense, Gunsmoke and
    the Whistler.
    Is anyone keeping track of these.  Too bad they can't.
    It would be interesting."<

    I haven't been keeping a tally, but for a time I was
    moderating a Group on Yahoo that was like a "People's
    Choice Awards" for OTR. (I had to give it up when I
    switched jobs and lost a lot of my free time for
    internet stuff.)

    OTR enthusiasts would get to vote on questions that
    ranged from the silly ("OTR character with the lowest
    IQ." -Won by Mortimer Snerd if I remember correctly)
    to the serious ("Favorite OTR broadcast starring Orson
    Welles" -won by Mercury Theater's episode 'War of the
    Worlds').

    When it came to "Favorite OTR Program of All Time",
    "Fibber McGee and Molly" narrowly edged out "The Jack
    Benny Program" for that catagory. Of course, this was
    a very unscientific poll, and judging from the number
    of times Jack Benny has been mentioned in people's Top
    Five Lists lately, a broader sampling could very
    possibly have swung things in Jack's favor.
    What I have observed in my experience moderating that
    web site, as well as this List's Favorite Five
    postings and my own personal listening, is the
    importance of good writing in a radio program. Most
    people attribute a program's success to the talanted
    stars and supporting cast. But what they often forget
    is how well-written a show must be for it to succeed.
    Shows like Jack Benny, FM&M, A&A, Gunsmoke, and
    Suspense thrived for years due in no small measure to
    talented writers who could continually dream up new
    and inventive scenarios for the stars to act out. Each
    new episode of "Fibber McGee and Molly" I hear causes
    me to be amazed at how each week, somebody figured out
    a new way for Fibber to expend a tremendous amount of
    energy in order to acomplish nothing, and causing me
    to laugh out loud in the process.

    I'm currently listening to a set of the complete run
    of "Mel Blanc's Fit-It Shop". If you have any doubts
    about the make-or-break quality of writing in OTR, do
    a comparison of this program with "The Jack Benny
    Program". No one can deny Mel Blanc's incredible
    talent. One can only imagine what he could have done
    with Benny's writers.

    -The Fibber-

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:11:27 -0400
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  HEAVY SHELLACKING

>     A cool looking label would be nice (did they have neat designs? Or
>     handwritten or
>     typewritten on blank labels?).  How heavy are these things, anyway?

    The commercially recorded discs were a quarter of an inch thick and
    weighed A LOT, and did have factory printed labels.  Look for them in
    antique shops--you may get lucky.

                      Sandy Singer
              A DATE WITH SINATRA

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:15:40 -0400
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  SCI/FI  FI

>     ...it's a fairly useless exercise to castigate one author or one
>     tv/radio series for not
>     being scientifically accurate.

    Rod Serling told me Science/Fiction was the easiest thing to write,
    because you could write anything and still be legit.

                      Sandy Singer
              A DATE WITH SINATRA

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:15:55 -0400
    From: John Politis <politisj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  5 favorites

    My favorites are [removed]  Our Miss Brooks   2.  Burns & Allen  3.  Baby Snooks
    4.  Life of Riiley  5.  Mr. & Mrs. North

    Age= almost 57

    I
    John Politis  [removed]~politisj

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:15:49 -0400
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  SMILIN' ED

    And, as I recall, Ed McConnell placed metal thimbles on 2 of his fingers
    and tapped them on his piano to make the sound of one of his characters
    dancing.

                      Sandy Singer
              A DATE WITH SINATRA

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:17:39 -0400
    From: "Merv" <merv@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Favorites

    My favorites were:

    1.   Suspense
    2.   The Whistler
    3.   The Shadow
    4.   Jack Benny Show
    5.   Gangbusters

    There was a show I liked when I was very young.   It was called "The
    Greatest Story Ever Told"   about Jesus.   It may have been local to Los
    Angeles.   I knew nothing about religion but liked it very much.   Did
    anyone ever hear it?

    Merv

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:12:21 -0400
    From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  DA BOYZ SING FOR DA BOYZ

    <<Sinatra did other commercials, Epstein Pontiac comes to mind. I'm sure
    that my pallie Sandy will fill in other [removed];>

    You betcha, Tom.  If you haven't seen Tom's site
    [removed] it is a MUST see.  I constantly use his
    reference work.

    In the early '60s Frank, Sammy and Dean, as a favor payback, played a
    week at Villa Venice, and cut a number of radio spots for Peter Epsteen,
    a Pontiac dealer in Chicago, written by the Prince of Parody, and one of
    Frank's favorite writers, Sammy Cahn. I am going to feature these
    commercials on my Sinatra show that starts airing on September 25th.

                      Sandy Singer
              A DATE WITH SINATRA

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:38:35 -0400
    From: ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Funk)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Froggy the Gremlin

    Contrary to Russ Butler's statement, my recollection is that after the
    "magic twanger" boinged, Froggy would say in a gravelly voice:  "Hiya,
    kids, hiya, hiya!"  Makes me grin to hear it even today.

    Regards to all,
    Art Funk

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:38:32 -0400
    From: ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Funk)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Frances Langford

    Kenneth Clarke asked several questions about Miss Langford and I regret
    that I can't answer any of them.  However, I'd like to mention that for
    years she has been a very active supporter, along with Wendy's found
    Dave Thomas,  of the Children's Home Society of Florida.  Hal Stone
    mentioned in an earlier post that show biz folks take care of their own.
    Miss Langford and Bob Hope are prime examples of the compassion and
    generosity of show biz folks for all who are in need.

    Regards to all,
    Art Funk

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    Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:25:06 -0400
    From: "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  16in sleeves /address

    hi
    here is the address and toll free number, i take it the more you buy
    the less they cost.
    metal edge inc
    6340 bandini blvd and commerce
    90040
    1-800-862-2228
    ask for prs-16, you will probably want the 5in hole
    ed
    i buy and trade 16in discs

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