Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #197
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 5/14/2003 12:08 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 197
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re:White Bread!                       [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      May 15th birthday                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Blondie's Baby Dumplin                [ Rustybelly@[removed] ]
      Burgman and anti-American radio       [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
      Life With Luigi                       [ JJiovanazz@[removed] ]
      Asking again                          [ Larry Jordan <midtod@[removed]; ]
      Bloopers                              [ "Nichole Baxter" <lovingchrist19@ho ]
      RE: Paul harvey, the Rest of the Sto  [ "Nichole Baxter" <lovingchrist19@ho ]
      last days of the Soaps                [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]
      under milkwood                        [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
      murder by experts                     [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
      The Lone Ranger on CBS                [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      Re: LONE RANGER ON CBS ???????        [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      Battle of the River Plate             [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Rinso CLEANSER?                       [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      LaRosa's comeback attempt             [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
      Mystery Playhouse?                    [ rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed] ]
      Re:Busman's Holiday                   [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Bill Stern                            [ "mike ray" <mikeray42@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:50:31 -0400
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:White Bread!

    Roger Smith has drawn me into the dreaded White Bread Vs Dark bread
    controversy. Here I was, minding my own business and staying out of trouble,
    when what to my wandering eyes did appear;

>     Awhile back someone mentioned that white bread was tasteless.  Hal Stone
>     worked for WNEW in Saginaw, Michigan and seeing he was there for a few
>     years I bet that he would disagree about white bread being tasteless,
>     that is  if he had any Spatz's bread while he was there.  Roger

    Now there's a challenge. How the hell do I relate this to OTR and still stay
    on topic? Not only that, I fully expect to once again alienate a substantial
    segment of subscribers with my response. You all have come to expect no less
    from me, so let's have at it.

    I LOVE WHITE BREAD! I LIVE FOR WHITE BREAD! MY ADORING WIFE DOROTHY KEEPS ME
    SUPPLIED WITH FRESH "MUSHY" WHITE BREAD ON A DAILY BASIS. Once bread loses
    its soft mushy texture, it's barely fit for birds to eat.

    I attribute my current good health, (not to mention good looks) due to an
    over abundance of mushy White bread in my diet. :)

    AND IT'S ALL BECAUSE OF BEING A PERFORMER IN OLD TIME RADIO. (How 'bout that
    tie in?)

    In 1948, I reached legal driving age (18 in NY). I would then drive my beat
    up 1941 convertible into NYC every Saturday to do the Archie Andrews
    Program. I crossed from Long Island into Manhattan via the 59th St Bridge.
    (NBC was on 49th). Right at the approach to the "upper" roadway of that
    bridge (on the Long Island City side) was a huge bread factory. (I seem to
    recall it was "Tasty Bread", or maybe even "Wonder Bread".

    The very strong and captivating aroma that wafted over that section of the
    bridge hooked me for life. It was obviously addictive.

    Another great NYC White bread was Silvercup. (Here comes another OTR
    reference). Being addicted to listening to the Lone Ranger as a child, I
    equated "The Great White Horse Silver", with that great White Bread
    "Silvercup".

    So you see folks, word association and addictive aromas corrupted me at a
    very early age, and led me on the path of sinful living and decadent taste
    buds, for which I am most grateful. :) Besides, with all the preservatives
    that the white bread detractors claim is put into the loafs, it must be
    helping to preserve me.

    As for Rodger's question about Michigan's "Spatz" bread, If I could get past
    the sound of the name, I might have eaten it. (Isn't that past tense of
    Spits?) Why does the name "Holsum" ring a bell, Roger?

    Are you ready for one more White Bread & OTR Tie in. And this one is a
    doozy.

    Recently, I was invited to attend a luncheon meeting with the Archie Comics
    brass, primarily to discuss my recently published book, "Aw, Relax,
    [removed]!. It was a very pleasant get together, with the Comic Book
    Publishers and their key executives. They decided that it would be more
    convenient to order lunch in, and we adjoined to the conference room. They
    (Being of the Jewish persuasion) extolled the virtues of a local Jewish
    delicatessen, and suggested the corned beef on rye. (Me, I would have
    preferred Ham on white, but I knew better than to ask for Ham). So when it
    came time for me to order, I asked for Corned Beef on white. (And to make
    matters worse, Mayo on the side.) You should have seen the look of horror on
    all their faces. :)

    Come to think of it. It's a good thing I had already gotten permission from
    them (in writing) to use pictures of the Archie comic book characters in my
    book. :)

    All the best

    Hal(harlan)Stone
    Jughead  [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:47:55 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  May 15th birthday

    If you were born on the 15th of May, you share your birthday with:

    05-14-1925 - Patrice Munsel - Spokane, WA
    singer: "Prudential Family Hour"; "Voice of Firestone"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    Hometown of [removed] Kaltenborn

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    Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 17:09:01 -0400
    From: Rustybelly@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Blondie's Baby Dumplin

    Be patient with me. I am a brand new subscriber. Just learned there was a
    thing called Old Time Radio. Now I can return with you to "yesteryear, where
    out of the past comes the thundering hoofbeats of the great horse Silver."
     Maybe you can ease my troubled mind. In the old Blondie shows, didn't they
    call their first born "baby dumplin" before he became Alexander? I have a lot
    of catching up to do.
    Jr.

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    Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:18:59 -0400
    From: JackBenny@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Burgman and anti-American radio
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    Jim Widner wrote:

>     Beginning on March 12, 1942, Bruckmann broadcast  to North America under
>     the pseudonym "Joseph Scanlon" a fictitious figure who was supposedly
>     connected to the isolationist, anti-communist Christian Front movement.

    This reminds me a lot of the film "Mother Night", which is based on the Kurt
    Vonnegut novel of the same name.  Wonder if the story was inspired by
    Burgman's story.

    --Laura Leff
    President, IJBFC
    [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:19:14 -0400
    From: JJiovanazz@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Life With Luigi
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    Hey, all out there in radio land.  Thanks for the suggestions on getting a
    script for the "life With Luigi" show.  I know that it was not all that
    popular of a show in the late 40s but my family always listened in since my
    parents were from Italy.  I think I will just go ahead and transcribe one of
    the several shows in my collection.  After all these years, my, "four finger"
    typing isn't all that bad.  Thanks again.

    Jim

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    Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:10:53 -0400
    From: Larry Jordan <midtod@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Asking again

    Maybe I missed it somehow, but I didn't see anybody reply to my recent
    question in this forum about what years Arthur Godfrey's radio show was
    also simulcast on TV? I would really appreciate knowing this!

    Larry Jordan

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    Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:45:31 -0400
    From: "Nichole Baxter" <lovingchrist19@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bloopers
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    Andrew Steinberg said,

>     I was wondering if people could post some of their favorite OTR bloopers.
>     I mean real bloopers that people have heard in shows, not the ones recreated
>     years later on records by Kermit Schaefer

    Easy [removed] Red Skelton all the way.
    I think half the reason i love listening too Red is because i have yet to
    hear him once stick to the script. even on TV you could always see when
    he was fixing to stray because the actors would always start laughing.
    There was one skit i remember particularly when he was doing Junior, and
    the grandmother had skipped ahead to the punchline without saying the
    joke first and red said once it was said [removed]: Sounds better now that
    ya know the whole thing now dont it?
    Did he really keep going over his sloted time period all that much and
    thats why they gave him an hour show?

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    Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:45:55 -0400
    From: "Nichole Baxter" <lovingchrist19@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RE: Paul harvey, the Rest of the Story
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    Elizabeth S asked:

>     Which reminds me, does he still do 'The Rest of the
>     Story' anymore? I have not heard it in a long time
>     and did not see any mention of it on his website.

    Actually- where i live, we get Paul Harvey Morning, Noon and and 5 pm.
    Right on the dot every day. his web site is [removed]
    I've noticed that Paul Harvey must be training someone too do his spot in
    the near future. Or far future, i just know that there seem to be people
    helping him more and more now.
    Little bit of [removed] any body know what Paul Harvey looks like? I
    believe he guests stars on I Love Lucy in the pottery episode. (Where
    Lucy wants to expand her abilities.) He's the art dealer at the end of
    the [removed] I would think there'd only be one Paul Harvy.
    I hope ive managed to help.

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    Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:36:41 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  last days of the Soaps

    Hi Everybody, I am looking to obtain a copy of the last days of the Soaps
    that was broadcast on 11-25-60 on CBS.  I understand that there are some
    dealers that carry this piece of radio history.  Please contact me if you
    know I can I can get a copy of this.  I would like to broadcast this on
    Yesterday USA.  Take care,

    Walden

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    Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 04:52:04 -0400
    From: lois@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

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    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
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    over six years, same time, same channel!

    Our numerous "regulars" include one of the busiest "golden years" actors in
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    maintainer of the best-known OTR Digest (we all know who he is)..........

    and Me

    Lois Culver
    KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
    KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
    and widow of actor Howard Culver

    (For more info, contact lois@[removed])

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    Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:58:51 -0400
    From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  under milkwood

    Does anybody have a copy of either version of Under Milkwood by Dylan
    Thomas?  If you listen to it, the show is rather strange because of the
    way Dylan Thomas imagines his town, but it is really worth looking for.
    There is a version with Dylan Thomas and a version with Richard Burton.
    Both are very interesting.  Kurt

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    Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:59:17 -0400
    From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  murder by experts

    Maybe everybody knew this but me, but I was listening to Murder by
    Experts a couple of weeks ago and the author was supposed to be Brett
    Halliday.  Imagine my surprise, it was Robert Donley who I have been
    listening to read talking books for the blind for years.  That brought up
    a question.  Was it really John Dickson Carr, or somebody playing him,
    and what other author's names did they use?  And by the way, how many
    shows exist now?  Kurt

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    Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:59:29 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Lone Ranger on CBS

>     Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:57:51 -0400
>     From: HERITAGE4@[removed]

>     RE: A. Joseph Ross' comments about THE LONE RANGER in Boston --
>     I'm not sure what station you were listening to, but CBS did not
>     rebroadcast LONE RANGER radio programs.  ABC did. The Boston CBS station
>     was WEEI,  and was owned and operated by CBS.  They never re-broadcast ABC
>     or NBC or MBS programs.

    The subject was the ABC television network, and I was talking about
    television.  CBS television carried reruns of The Lone Ranger for a time
    in the early 1950s, while new episodes (or newer reruns) were running on
    ABC.

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:00:31 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:  LONE RANGER ON CBS ???????

    >From A. Joseph Ross, [removed]

> >     The Lone
> >     Ranger seemed to go back and forth, or maybe it was because
> >     CBS carried the Lone Ranger reruns while first-run episodes were on ABC.

    From:Tom Heathwood _ Heritage Radio -Boston

>     I'm not sure what station you were listening to, but CBS did not
>     rebroadcast LONE RANGER radio programs. ABC did. The Boston
>     CBS station was WEEI, and was owned and operated by CBS.
>     They never re-broadcast ABC or NBC or MBS programs.

    He never said anything about the radio programs being rebroadcast on CBS.
    It seemed obvious to me that he was discussing the TV programs and the
    Boston TV stations.  The key to this is the mentioning of "Super Circus"
    which was only a TV program, and the detail about there being only two
    commercial stations in Boston.  Of course that would mean two commercial
    __TV__ stations because there were many commercial radio stations in Boston
    in the late 40s.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:00:56 -0400
    From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Battle of the River Plate

    G'Day Folks,

    Last year there was discussion on the British movie Battle of the River
    Plate and the radio broadcasting throughout the unfolding drama.

    I know the originator of the discussion announced he had found a copy of the
    movie, however I continued to look for it out of interest.  Well, I found a
    copy and have encoded it to VCD which will boot on your standard DVD
    players.  If anyone who followed the discussion on the movie is interested,
    just email me directly.  No charges involved.

    Ian

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    Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:01:12 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

       From Those Were The Days --

    1945 - Tennessee Jed made his debut on ABC. Johnny Thomas played the
    part of Tennessee Jed Sloan.

       Joe

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    Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:11:30 -0400
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Rinso CLEANSER?

    In today's Los Angeles Times I saw an ad for the "99 Cents Only" stores.
    Featured was 'Rinso Cleanser' @ 3 cans for 99 cents.
    Question: Is this a new incarnation of the Rinso brand name, or was its
    cleanser a product that has been sold for years, but I just never saw it
    before?

    Just curious,
    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:11:51 -0400
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  LaRosa's comeback attempt

    I remember LaRosa's comeback attempt, a few years after the Godfrey firing.
    He was on a couple of TV variety shows, and sang some ballads. His voice
    was good, but he had a bad habit: At the end of almost every line in the
    song he ended the last word with "-uh".
    Sort of like this:
    "I love the light I see in your eyes-uh.
    They're so bright, I can only sigh-uh.
    Say you'll truly be mine, and make my eyes shine with love for you-uh!
    <words by herby :) >
    Does anybody remember if he sang the same way on the Godfrey shows? (I was
    too young to notice at the time.)
    In any case, what happened to LaRosa after his comeback(s) failed?

    Just curious,
    Herb Harrison

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    Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:12:09 -0400
    From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Mystery Playhouse?

    While researching a small project involving The Thin Man radio series, I
    found one episode of a program that was labeled as a Thin Man broadcast, but
    was actually a show called Mystery Playhouse, hosted by Peter Lorre.  All I
    could find in the Dunning book was a 1949 summer replacement hosted by Boris
    Karloff.  I have no date for this show, but I'd think it was before 1949 and
    the fact that the hosts are different leads me to think that the two programs
    are different.

    [removed] can tell me more about Mystery Playhouse?  Did the program feature
    Thin Man stories often?

    rodney.

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    Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:12:49 -0400
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re:Busman's Holiday

    Ron Sayles asked of those of us who were performers

>     When listening to old radio programs, if indeed you do, do you visualize a
>     horse and rider going off into the sunset, or do you just see a sound effects
>     man pounding a couple of coconut shells in a box.  Because you have been
>     there
>     and have seen all of the behind the scenes goings on, is it difficult to
>     suspend disbelief?

    First off, I now rarely get a chance to listen to old radio programs, but I
    doubt that anything has changed from the time I worked in the business and
    enjoyed actual broadcasts.

    Having started performing on radio at age 8, I had a child's curiosity (when
    in the studio) about how sound effects were accomplished. During breaks in
    rehearsal, I'd often spend time hanging around the sound effects area, and
    was frequently permitted to "touch" or "play" with the different devices.
    BUT ONLY IF THE SFX MAN PERMITTED, AND WAS GENEROUS WITH HIS TIME TO A KID
    ACTOR. And many of them enjoyed having someone show interest in what they
    did. In many ways, they were like kids themselves, playing with very special
    toys. :)

    However, I was also a huge fan of many radio Programs, and when I listened
    to my favorite shows, I don't think I ever consciously thought about the
    mechanics of an effect. I was too engrossed in the story. I can state very
    firmly that I never suspended disbelief all through my radio career which
    ended in the mid 50's.

    However, TV and Films are a much different animal. Once I became a TV
    Director, I found that I was viewing material on two levels. If the
    production values, (and actors) were sub par,I couldn't get into it. If the
    quality was surpurb, and not distracting, I could enjoy the production, and
    lose myself in the story.

    I guess I could operate on two levels. For instance, I could watch "Forest
    Gump" and marvel at the production techniques and special effects, yet still
    be totally captivated by the story and performances.

    The next time I raved about a film that totally blew my mind was "Chicago".

    That's not to say there weren't many great motion pictures in the interim,
    like "Lord of the Rings", but I just mentioned the two films that actually
    took my breath away.

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead  [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:01:31 -0400
    From: "mike ray" <mikeray42@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bill Stern

    Hi Gang:
    Just a couple of days ago, our good friend Michael Berger went after the late
    Bill Stern and discredited among other things his play by
    Play capabilities. Michael also said the Army Notre Dame game of November 11,
    1946 played At Yankee Stadium was boring. NOTHING could be further from the
    truth. It is Considered one of the 50 greatest collage football games ever
    played. You had before you not only 2 undefeated teams going at each other,
    but 2 of the most explosive offense in College football that year. Both teams
    gained over 400 yards total offense in the game, and were knocking on each
    other goal line several times during the contest. Both teams' defenses came
    up with outstanding plays all afternoon to keep the opposition scoreless.
    Irish coach Frank Leahy said it was the most physical game he had ever been
    associated with. The game also featured hall of fame players like, Johnny
    Lujack, Terry Brennen and George Conner for the Irish. Glen Davis, Doc
    Blanchard, and Arnold Tucker for West Point. The overflow crowd at Yankee
    Stadium anticipated a battle, and got to see a knock down drag out fight. NO
    SIR, this game was far from boring. Unless of course you are a fan of arena
    bowl games with scores of 72-69. A word about Bill Stern. Bill did not have
    the luxury of being the play by play announcer for a major college football
    team. Instead he did different teams each week. This meant he had research to
    do on 2 teams instead of one. And each week he gave the football fans across
    the nation the word pictures that only radio could give. He was bright, and
    articulate. He was far, he was accurate, and his recall of sports history on
    the spot is legendary to this day. Showmanship of course is a part of any
    broadcast, and there have been many down through the years who have been
    outstanding, [removed] Ray Scott, Bill McCalgin, Mel Alen, Harry Carey, Red
    Grange, Bob Ufer, Ken Coleman, and Vince Lloyd just to mention a few. But at
    no time did these men or Bill Stern ever fabricate a sporting event. It's
    kind of funny and yet sad how revisionist history tares at the fabric and the
    memory of a truly gifted journalist.
    Best regards,
    Mike Ray

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