Subject: [removed] Digest V2007 #89
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Date: 3/20/2007 6:59 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2007 : Issue 89
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Betty Hutton                          [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Cinti Radio Convention                [ "Bill Knowlton" <udmacon1@[removed] ]
      RE: Another title needed              [ Jeff Knowling <jeff_knowling@hotmai ]
      re: Goodbye Open Reel Tape!           [ Dan <teac35@[removed]; ]
      Godfrey musings                       [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
      Gildersleeve's lid                    [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
      Light of the World                    [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
      Re: Goodbye Open Reel Tape!           [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Sportscasters                         [ Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed]; ]
      re: why mp3 or even wave              [ Tom Greenli <tom_greenli@[removed]; ]
      Potent [removed]                   [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
      I Love A Mystery sound quality        [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      New Jersey OTR                        [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      RE: Truth or Consequences (UNCLASSIF  [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
      Re: why mp3 or even wav?              [ "Glenn P.," <C128User@[removed]; ]
      Natural Bridge Show                   [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
      BBC Sherlock Holmes mp3               [ Allen Wilcox <aawjca@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:43:45 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Betty Hutton

    Steve Salaba asked:

> >     For anyone attending the Cincinnati OTR Convention, Friday morning there
> >     will be an hour-long film showing of OTR-related short films and one of
> >     them is COMMAND [removed] Among the guests you will see Betty
> >     Hutton singing and dancing.

>     Is this her performance of "Murder, He Says"? I love that bit! This
>     is probably one of those films that is not available on video - darn
>     it!

    Yes, that's the one.  It has been available on video, incidentally, but not
    commercially.  It's one of those MANY cases where in order to watch a great
    film short, one has to turn to dealers and vendors who specialize in
    hard-to-find films, and dismiss the fact that it's not "commercially"
    released.  I have a friend in North Carolina who insists if it's not
    "commercially" released, he doesn't buy it - but not a week goes by that he
    doesn't gripe about some film or tv show or radio show that hasn't been
    released commercially (and some of the titles he asks for probably never
    will be) and frustrates himself about not having a copy in his possession.
    He's a Bob Hope fan so he's always asking about Bob Hope radio shows and
    films that have not been commercially released.  If he just broke down and
    bought what is available non-commercially, he'd make himself happy and save
    money since many commercial releases of films he asks for would be more in
    retail if they did decide to release it.

    Betty Hutton's "Murder, He Says" song is wonderful.  She even dances and
    performs while singing in the mircophone for the radio series, showing just
    how performers got into the groove even when it's just a radio series.  They
    "act" the part out.

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:05:17 -0400
    From: "Bill Knowlton" <udmacon1@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cinti Radio Convention

    There's a great chance I'll be in Dayton during the Cincinnati Radio
    Convention. So-o-o-o, I'd like to come down for at least a day. Maybe back
    again for a second.

    I cannot find any website for the convention, so could some dear soul either
    direct me to an e-mail info souce, or give me some details (where it's held,
    times, etc.)

    I understand there are daily admission rates whcich would be good for moi.

    Finally, what day would listers recommend as the best one to attend, and
    which day has the least goin' on.

    Thanks!

    BILL KNOWLTON

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: As mentioned here before, the latest fliers are available at
    [removed] - you will probably need to scroll down or use the
    search box on the sidebar.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:07:34 -0400
    From: Jeff Knowling <jeff_knowling@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE: Another title needed
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>     Now, I'd like to test the metal of the group again. I'm looking for an
>     episode of Have Gun, Will Travel.

    I think the title of the HGWT episode is The Outlaw.  The character's name is
    Manfred Holt, so that may be listed as/in the title from some sources.

    In the other medium, that character was played by Charles Bronson.  A good
    enough show, but I miss John Dehner's voice.
    A usual lurker, glad to help out,

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:48:02 -0400
    From: Dan <teac35@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re: Goodbye Open Reel Tape!

    Ken,
     Actually, new open reel tape is still being
    manufactured today by a company called RMGI out of the
    Netherlands. They took over the old BASF manufacturing
    of tape and are doing well. I just bought several
    "pancakes" from a reputable on line dealer
    ([removed]) - usual disclaimers and all
    that rot - just a very satisfied customer.

     As far as cassette tape, I know of only Maxell and
    TDK. I am not aware of Chrome Oxide tape being made by
    those companies.
     True, there are other outlets of cassette tape out
    there, but, it's pretty much a crap shoot AND you get
    what you pay for.
     For example: I went and purchased a bulk order (100)
    of cassette tape from a on line dealer. After using
    their "all purpose" tape for a month (and 12 cassettes
    later), I noticed that the tape itself was showing
    signs of stretching and fatigue. Mind you, I keep my
    playback and recording gear maintenance up above par
    and the tape in question was played primarily on my
    walkman. I contacted the company and told them what I
    was experiencing and they offered to refund my money
    IF I would send back ALL the tape (even the used ones)
    at my expence. I politely told them I would send them
    back at THEIR expence and wish to speak to a Higher
    Up, then they relented.
     I did get reimbursed for my purchase, (I bulk erased
    the used tape) they paid for the return postage, and 1
    month later I recieved my refund - with a coupon for
    50 free tapes of the same grade I had bad luck with -
    yeah, right!

     Anyway, I know I got off track with this thread, but
    I just wanted to add to your Knowledge of Open Reel,
    not take away from it or dispute it.

     Have A Great Day!
    Dan

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:09:18 -0400
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Godfrey musings
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    Joe Postove asked:

>     Was Arthur Godfrey An Anti-Semite?

    It's remarkable that so many legends have grown up around Arthur Godfrey.
    "That Godfrey Guy" Lee Munsick will dispute statements about and actions
    attributed to AG chapter and verse. Over the years, I've heard that Godfrey
    "fired Julius LaRosa live on the air," "buzzed the tower at Teteboro Airport,"
    "died lonely and friendless" and "uttered the catch-phrase 'how-are-ya?
    how-are-ya?how-are-ya?' ad nauseum."  Professor Munsick seems to be able to
    shoot down these assertions with OTR/D postings of McLeod-ian proportions.

    I do remember Lee hosting a Godfrey panel at FOTR about 15 years ago and
    addressing theanti-Semitism charge. Lee conveyed a story in which AG, a
    stockhloder in some vacation hotel/resort in Florida--an establishment, which
    unbeknownst to AG, disallowed Jew--flew into a rage and demanded the hotel
    alter its policies and remove any signs that might've stated the hotel's
    policy of exclusion.

    Clear the decks. I'm sure my pal Lee is in the batter's circle ready to weigh
    in on [removed]

    Derek Tague

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:00:53 -0400
    From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Gildersleeve's lid

    On Monday, March 19, 2007, at 08:44 AM, Dale Clark wrote:

>     Recently I  found a 4" high bottle with an advertisement for the Great
>     Gildersleeve Show on the lid. The lid has a caricature of Gildersleeve
>     smoking a cigar. Does anyone here know what this bottle may have
>     contained? Who were the show's sponsors over the years?

    "Hake's Price Guide to Character Toy Premiums" lists only two premiums
    for the Gildersleeve series; one is a radio studio audience ticket and
    the other is your lid. However, the bottle (or jar) you found is not
    mentioned, which could mean you've made a real discovery.

    The lid is described as "Litho Tin, 2 1/4 inches, Jar Lid, circa 1941."
    Price ranges from $ 15 to $ 45 depending on condition. I don't have the
    current edition of Hake's so these values may be higher today. Plus
    since you also have the jar, you can double whatever is quoted for just
    the lid.

    Kraft Foods was the longtime sponsor of this series (at least for the
    first ten years) but that's not much help since they manufactured and
    advertised so many different products. Your jar probably didn't contain
    butter or cheese, but perhaps mayonnaise?

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
    <[removed]>

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:01:11 -0400
    From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Light of the World

    On Monday, March 19, 2007, at 08:44 AM, Randy Miller wrote:

>     Do any copies of this program exist?

>     --Randy Miller

    Turning to the pages of Jay Hickerson's invaluable "Ultimate History of
    Network Radio", we read that this series was on NBC for over ten years
    (3-18-40 to 6-2-50) usually sponsored by General Mills. Bret Morrison
    was the narrator and this 15 minute program was on five times a week.
    Despite its longevity and the thousands of shows broadcast, only seven
    have survived in audio form today.

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
    <[removed]>

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:01:42 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Goodbye Open Reel Tape!

    Ken Greenwald's comments are indeed sad news for those who prefer to
    archive their otr on tape (which I do). It is interesting because my
    brother recently had some conversations with the archivists at the
    Country Music Hall of Fame in Nashville. He happened to have a couple of
    very old transcriptions from the forties that had home recording clips
    of the Oprey that he donated to them. The archivist said the only real
    proven archival material was tape. So one has to figure that hopefully,
    some of these types of organizations trying to preserve material and
    making copies are getting tape from some where. CDs and DATs, etc. just
    haven't yet proven themselves. I have a few CD-ROMS that are starting to
    act up after only a few years. ROMs of course are just not as stable as
    having them pressed onto CD via a master, but even those apparently are
    not proven methods of storage for many professional archive organizations.

    Jim Widner

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:01:56 -0400
    From: Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Sportscasters

    Another one of my periodic calls for help. I'd like to
    be able to play excerpts of some famous, pioneeering
    sportscasters from the radio era. I find Clem McCarthy
    fairly easy to come by. But I would LOVE to be able to
    come up with examples of Graham McNamee, Ted Husing,
    Red Barber, and Mell Allen, to name my priorities. I'd
    especially like an example of a re-creation by Gordon
    McClendon, maybe Red Barber or even Ronald Reagan (how
    cool would that be)?

    Can someone direct me to a source--doesn't have to be
    online--where I might find such things (if indeed they
    even exist)?

    Alan

    _________________
    Alan/Linda Bell
    Grand Rapids, MI

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:15:21 -0400
    From: Tom Greenli <tom_greenli@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  re: why mp3 or even wave

>     From: "EDWARD CARR" <edcarr@[removed];

>     good evening
>     i know it was brought up once before,but i can't help
>     but bring it up again, with cd as low as 10cents ea
>     i just bought 500 awhile back, imations, not a bad
>     cd, what is the reason for mp3 anyway?

    For me it's a matter of portability. I travel
    extensively and space comes at a premium. I have a
    hard drive based MP3 player that will hold more OTR
    and music than I could possibly listen to in one trip.
    All this in a package that's smaller than a deck of
    cards. It turns out that OTR and MP3 technology work
    very well with one another when done properly. MP3 got
    a bad rap in the early days when dial up networking
    restricted file size. The relatively small
    16kbps/22khz files sounded horrible. Now with high
    speed internet, higher bitrates and optimized encoders
    MP3 makes a lot more sense. I'm a big fan of VBR
    (variable bit rate) encoding. Modern computers and
    software can turn out MP3 files that sound every bit
    as good as the original. Gone are the days of MP3's
    sounding like they were recorded in a washing machine
    or artifact riddled encodes.

    As usual your mileage may vary. If you'd like to learn
    about VBR compression and accurate CD to MP3 transfer
    using FREE software be sure to look at the following
    website.
    [removed]

    I hope this helps,
    Tom

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:52:39 -0400
    From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Potent [removed]

    So, there we were, drinking some Finian's Rainbow beer, on Saturday--

    (I think it might actually be green, and just seems multi-colored when
    you've had more than a few)

    When a question occured to one of my nostalgia-minded compatriots:

    James Bond has his [removed]

    Archie Bunker has his [removed]

    But were there specific drinks that some of the noted radio characters
    were known for?

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:30:27 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  I Love A Mystery sound quality

    There actually is VERY good sound quality for I LOVE A MYSTERY - it all
    depends on where you get the recordings.  There is not ONE person who
    originated every recording that is in circulation today - but tracking down
    who had access to original masters and checking to see if they can copy what
    they have will give you the earliest generation and sound quality you can
    purchase.  Avoid MP3s for that particular show - you'll never find superb
    sound in that format.

    Ted Davenport of Radio Memories, Terry Salomonson of Audio Classics, Radio
    Yesteryear and the Metacom/Adventures in Cassettes releases are your best
    bets if you can find them on audio cassette of CD, as an easy first step
    (some specific episodes originate from varius dealers who over the years
    found one or two episodes and made them available so for those particular
    one or two episodes, you need to go to them to get the earliest generation)
    but the names above will give you MOST of the common titles in superb or
    very good quality.

    Martin

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:30:47 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  New Jersey OTR

    For anyone interested in picking up some old-time radio-releated comics, the
    following may be of interest:

    [removed] for the most up to date information.

    MIDJERSEY COMICON
    Saturday, MARCH 24, 2007

    10 AM- 4PM
    Days Inn
    1073 Route 206 North
    Bordentown, NJ, 08505 US

    $3 admission

    There was a vendor selling OTR shows last year but I am not sure if he will
    be there selling again, but if you are looking to pick up some Terry and the
    Pirates, Our Miss Brooks, Gang Busters, The Shadow or Green Hornet comics,
    and if you live within an hour's drive, might want to check it out.  It's
    not very large but worth a quick drive.

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:31:52 -0400
    From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE: Truth or Consequences (UNCLASSIFIED)

    Ralph Edwards:	How do you spell "animal."

    Contestant:		a-n-i-m-a-l.

    Ralph Edwards:	Now spell it backwards.

    Contestant:		l-a-m-i-n-a.

    Ralph Edwards:	WRONG! You haven't told the truth, so you must face the
    consequences.

    Actually, I heard a show where the contestant got the correct answer, and
    Edwards was dumbfounded. After he recovered, he asked the contestant if he
    would still pay the consequences and the contestant agreed. Then they were
    off on their hilarious gag.

    The one that sticks out in memory other than "the Walking Man," was a stunt
    where the contestant was going to get a shiny new Nash automobile. All he had
    to do was go to Kenosha, Wi. To pick it up. He was handcuffed sometime during
    the procedure, and he was told that the key would be mailed to him. Then,
    after he left the stage, Edwards gave the audience an address, and asked
    everyone who had an old key that they weren't using to send it in and the
    contestant would receive it. The following week, they had a remote set up at
    the Nash factory, and when the man tried to pick up the car, he was told that
    the key was in Canton. So they sent him to China and he called back from
    somewhere in the Phillipines the following week, where he was changing
    planes. Then he was asked what he was doing all the way out there and he said
    he was on his way to Canton to pick up the key. Edwards then told him that
    there had been a misunderstanding and he was to get the key at Canton, Ohio.
    The following week, he was in Canton, Ohio and he picked up the key from
    Charlie Key. Eventually, he worked his way back to the studio and then to
    Kenosha to finally get his car. Somehow, though, he ended up in handcuffs
    again, and I don't remember how that happened. BTW, it's spelled "t-i"
    backwards.

    Thanx,

    [removed]

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:32:17 -0400
    From: "Glenn P.," <C128User@[removed];
    To: Old-Time Radio Mailing List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: why mp3 or even wav?

    On Sun., 18-Mar-2007, at 05:49:22pm EDT (-0400 GMT),
    "Jeffrey Keil" <KeilJ_33@[removed]; posted to the
    [Old-Time Radio Mailing List] under the subject of
    "why mp3 or even wav?":

     > A format that I personally use is [removed] Flac
     > is basically a zipped wav file.

    I wondered how long it would be before someone came
    out with that!

    But what you might NOT be aware of is that WinZip [removed]
    now uses a special compression algorithm for WAV files,
    called WAVPACK, which is REALLY GOOD. It is lossless,
    created especially for WAV files, and gives astonishing
    compression! I anticipate that MP3's will eventually
    give way to WAVPACK encoded files!   :)

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:32:59 -0400
    From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Natural Bridge Show

    jack and cathy french wrote:

>     "The Natural Bridge Show (a 15 minute variety program sponsored by
>     Natural Bridge Shoe Company) specified that the male lead be called
>     "Nat" and the female lead "Bridget." "

    The show, which I never heard of, started me thinking about the remarks. This
    show was probably from St. Louis Mo. Why I'll tell you. I don't think anyone
    cares, but it adds to sponsor getting all they can for their dollar. "Natural
    Bridge" is the name of very busy street in [removed] Thus Naturalizer shoe.
    (1927).Brown Show also made a brand of shoe called "Naturalizer"

     The Brown Show Company is an Old St Louis firm.( My Wife's Uncle was a VP")
    They made Buster Brown children s shows. and sponsored "Smilin' Ed's Buster
    Brown Gang' Buster Brown shoes was the [removed] Star was Ed [removed]
    real Trivia.

    Frank McGurn

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    Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:09:23 -0400
    From: Allen Wilcox <aawjca@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  BBC Sherlock Holmes mp3
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    I was wondering if anyone in the group has the Clive Merrison Sherlock Holmes
    series in mp3 format and is willing to sell a copy? If you have please
    contact me off the board.

      I was also wondering if there was any BBC otr radio history on "The Saint".
    I know of the [removed] version with Vincent Price.

      Allen

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