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	    [removed]   Volume 95 : Issue 455


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Commercials Intact
	 RADIO SHOWCASE INTERNET CASSETTE
	 Re: Nero Wolfe's Archie(s)
	 looking for Striker Jr. biog.
	 Re: catch phrases
	 Still more Tonto and Ranger stuff
	 Rochester Again
	 Re. Jack Armstrong theme and question
	 Vaudeville on the Radio
	 Re: Fibber and Molly

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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 17:26:23 -0600
From: Richard Veit <Richard_Veit@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <otr@[removed]>
Subject: Commercials Intact
Message-id: <[removed]@[removed]>

                       Subject:                               Time:4:26 PM
  OFFICE MEMO          Commercials Intact                     Date:12/16/95

As we all know, many OTR programs managed to work the sponsor's products right
into the plot line--Lucky Strike Cigarettes, Johnson Wax Company, Maxwell
House Coffee, countless others. And no reputable tape vendor would dream of
selling such shows without these plugs intact. Fine; no controversy there.

But now for my pet OTR peeve. It bugs me no end when I purchase other programs
(listed as "30 minutes" or "60 minutes") and discover that only the main,
scripted material is included. Some of the "X Minus One" shows in my
collection run about 19 or 20 minutes in length! Am I alone in feeling
aesthetically cheated when commercials are surgically removed? It's not a
matter of money; I happen to enjoy listening to the programs as they
originally aired, complete, with all commercial intact. For me, the
commercials are part of OTR's magic. (This goes for sustaining promos and
public service announcements, too.)

Sure, I understand that some vendors do not have access to complete masters,
but shouldn't that be clearly indicated somewhere in the packaging or printed
listings? I for one would love to see a uniform code instituted, so that
customers would know exactly what they were buying. Maybe "A" for complete
program with commercials intact, "B" for commercials removed, and "C" for
incomplete program (suffering from audio dropouts, etc.). Perhaps this would
discourage overzealous tape doctors from gratuitously emasculating the very
OTR programs we desire to add to our permanent collections!

Of course, it's possible that I am in the minority here. How do others feel
about this?

Dick Veit

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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 19:41:24 -0500
From: SteveK1425@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RADIO SHOWCASE INTERNET CASSETTE
Message-ID: <951216194124_74433142@[removed]>

About a month ago I did an informal survey of this group in regards to an
economical OTR cassette in which you provide your own labels. I'm going to
give this a trial run now. From now until January 31, 1995 you can order any
cassette from my catalog for only $[removed] each. The name of the cassette is the
"Internet Cassette." Instead of a label the cassette will be identitfied by
it's catalog ID written on the shell with a white pencil. If you want a
plastic case please ad $.25 extra.

In order to take advantage of this offer, you must submit your order by
E-Mail to SteveK1425@[removed] If you don't trust E-Mail with your credit card
information then you can fax or phone that info to 800-500-8086. You can
download further ordering/shipping information, as well as the 5000+ cassette
catalog at [removed] Please allow from 3-6 weeks for delivery,
but we make every effort to turn an order around in less than a week.

Also, please note that any programs listed in the catalog that were
written/produced by Norman Corwin are no longer available at this time.

Thanks for listening.

Steven Kelez
RADIO SHOWCASE

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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 19:41:29 -0500
From: SteveK1425@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Nero Wolfe's Archie(s)
Message-ID: <951216194127_74433159@[removed]>

Archie, on The New Adventures of Nero Wolfe (starring Sidney Greenstreet) was
played by a number of different actors, including  Gerald  Moore, Harry
Bartell and Lawrence Dobkin. These are ones I could identify when I listened
to the programs. On an earlier series "The Amazing Nero Wolfe"which starred
Francis X. Bushman, Archie, is played by Elliott Lewis.
One other Nero Wolfe program, starring Santos Ortega, is in circulation
(7-14-44), from the AFRS Mystery Theater. I think Archie Goodwin is played by
John Gibson on this one. Finally, on the CBC Nero Wolfe series, Mr. Wolfe is
played by Maver Moore (I don't know if the spelling is correct, but the
program credits all the actors). I hope this clears up the "case of the
multiple Archies" a little. 

A couple of other notes regarding Mr. Passage's logs. The Third Man series
identifies the titles of just about all the programs at the beginning of each
show, and sometimes during the middle break. All of the titles in the AVPRO
catalog listing for the 52 programs are correct. Unfortunately, if you happen
to get copies of the later syndicated version to the Third Man the titles
have been edited out as well as about 5 minutes of other material.

Another entry for The Six Shooter log would be that the character first
appeared on 4-13-52 as part of the Hollywood Star Playhouse. I don't know if
this was the same script as the audition program used to sell the series in
1953.

Thanks for listening.

Steven Kelez
RADIO SHOWCASE

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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 19:59:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Randy Minnehan <rminneha@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: looking for Striker Jr. biog.
Message-ID: <[removed]@acme>

Hi [removed]

   Anyone know where I might be able to obtain Striker Jr. biog. of
Striker [removed] Thanks.

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|Randy Minnehan - rminneha@[removed]|
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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 20:05:42 -0500
From: MVHaas@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: catch phrases
Message-ID: <951216200541_74443929@[removed]>

  I've been watching a lot of old cartoons lately  (just got a laser disc
player) and have noted a lot of catch phrases that were probably lifted from
OTR.  Can someone help me identify the following:

"I'm only three-and-a-half years old!"  (Baby Snooks?)
(Deep echo) "Don't - you  - believe - it!"
"You'll be SORR-ry!"
"Well, I've been [removed]"

That's enough for a start.   Best -- Merlin Haas

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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 20:34:05 -0500
From: Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Still more Tonto and Ranger stuff
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

About Tonto. Close but no cigar. The Lone Ranger was broadcast from WXYZ,
Detroit. Tonto was played by John Todd. Who was Irish and over fifty when he
joined the cast in 1933. John Todd may have dozed between broadcasts, he was
also known to have entertained ladies in hotel rooms between shows. Tonto
didn't appear until around the 10th show.

LR interesting facts. About 111 people, over the years have claimed to have
appeared on the first LR broadcast. 16 of them claimed to have played the
ranger.

During the first three months the show was on the air there was a handful
of fan letters sent to WXYZ. On the May 16th show it was announced that the
Lone Ranger would give a free popgun to the first 300 younsters who wrote
the station requesting one. Two days later on the program it was announced
that all of the popguns had been given away. Two days after that the
announcer pleaded with listeners not to send in any more requests. By the
time it was over WXYZ had been deluged with 24,905 letters. An unheard of
response for a radio premium that was only broadcast in one state, Michigan.

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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 22:03:02 -0500
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Rochester Again
Message-ID: <951216220259_56308050@[removed]>

A reply to Bruce's reply to my post on the probable reason Rochester never
spoke to Dennis Day.

Bruce's comment that Rochester's race never came up on the Jack Benny Program
 was a nice thought, but sadly contradicted by the series.  What is safer to
say is that Rochester was never used as a symbol of negative black
stereotypes.  Rochester was Rochester and jokes about him didn't reflect on
blacks anymore than jokes about Jack reflected on Jews.

However, on one show when Jack was sparring with Rochester, Andy Devine says
"it looks like you're shadow boxing," an obvious reference to Eddie
Anderson's color.

In that same bit, Jack hits Rochester in the eye with a late punch and says
"Boy are you going to get a black eye."  Anderson's response, "You'll have to
peel me to prove it."

Rochester played craps in Harlem when the cast visted New York.  He had
parties in Jack's house during the summer that lasted for months.  Another
fan once told me he has a show in which it's revealed that Rochester carried
a knife, although I haven't heard that one.

Also, all of the negro guests on the show were Rochester's friends (Joe
Louis, the Ink Spots, [removed]), a reference to the stereotype that all blacks
know each other.

This in no way diminishes my love for the character Anderson created, and of
course, the show was literally decades ahead of its time in making Rochester
a real, full-blooded person and not just an amalgam of stereotypes.  I've
read in biographies of Jack that as the show got older, and the creative side
became more powerful in its production (as opposed to the sponsor, network,
advertising agencies or whatever), they cut back on the references to
Rochester's race and stopped doing stereotype humor about him.  Still, mainly
in the Jello shows, it's there.

Sean Dougherty
Kubelski@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 22:33:30 -0600 (CST)
From: Betty Jean Davis <betdav@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re. Jack Armstrong theme and question
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

As I recall the Jack Armstrong theme, there was more to it; but there is 
one line I could never understand.

Wave the flag for Hudson High,boys,
Show them how we stand,
Ever - - - - -  champions
Known throughout the land.

Won't you try Wheaties?
They're whole wheat with all of the bran.
Won't you buy Wheaties, - - - - - -?
They're crispy, they're crunchy the whole year through,
Jack Armstrong never tires of them, and neither will you,
So just buy  Wheaties,
The best breakfast food in the land.


An  unrelated question: I would like to find some recordings of the 
"Carnation Contented Hour" or at least the theme song, "Wait till the 
cows come home."  Anyone know any sources?



Walter W. Davis
Corpus Christi Tx

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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 1995 04:49:53 GMT
From: bilj@[removed] (Bill Jaker)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Cc: MTPawckett@[removed]
Subject: Vaudeville on the Radio
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

In response to a query by Dave Lind (or is he [removed] Pawckett?) about where to 
find vaudeville on the radio:
Much of early radio was an outgrowth of vaudeville.  Tramping the boards 
from Portland to Portland gave comedians, singers, tap dancers and others a 
good sense of what would entertain a national audience.  You can especially 
hear it on some of the earlier variety programs that are in circulation, 
[removed] the Ed Wynn "Fire Chief" or some of Fred Allen's programs from the '30s.
But if you rrrreallly wanna hear some genuwine vaudeville, ladies and 
gentlmen, may I suggest you get a tape of "It Pays to Be Ignorant".  This 
show ran on Mutual and then CBS from 1942 through 1949.  It was intended as 
a spoof of "Information Please", featuring a panel of dummies wrestling with 
wonderfully nutty questions.  The emcee was Tom Howard and one of the 
panelists was George Shelton.  Howard and Shelton had been partners in vaude 
and their quick-paced repartee captures the pace and spirit and probably the 
exact content of those stage performances.

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Date: Sat, 16 Dec 1995 22:38:45 -0700
From: Jerry Purvis <hqsouth@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Fibber and Molly
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hi Gang!

With the deluge of answers on who provided the voice of Teeny, I'll throw
this in, just in case you'd like to read more about it.

The book is: "Heavenly Days!: The Story of Fibber McGee and Molly" by
Charles Stumpf and Tom Price (ISBN 0-936505-05-2).  It was printed in 1987
by The World of Yesterday in Waynesville, NC.  I'm not sure if it's still in
print, but it's well worth a look.

Jerry at
Wind River Communications

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