Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #293
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 7/30/2003 3:05 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 293
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Stoopnagle & Budd                     [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      radio announcers                      [ "Donald P. Tuttle" <dobbsi5@[removed] ]
      Re: WOTW Rights                       [ Larry Groebe <lgroebe@genericradio. ]
      Bob Hope                              [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
      Re: Bob Hope                          [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      Bob Hope                              [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      KPOJ                                  [ gsgreg@[removed] ]
      Vic and Sade                          [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Re: Recording Ban Loopholes           [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Tex McCrary                           [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      Information, Please                   [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Informaton Please                     [ Dick Judge <dickjudge@[removed]; ]
      Speaking of call [removed]           [ Rod Gowen <rgowen@[removed] ]
      Bob Hope                              [ "Jeff G" <geddes_jeff@[removed]; ]
      Re: recorded programs                 [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      More Radio Station Callsigns          [ "Tim Lones" <timl2002@[removed] ]
      Tarzan and the Diamond of Asher       [ "Bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed]; ]
      Bob Hope tributes                     [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:35:42 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Stoopnagle & Budd

    I received this recently at my web site. I believe she is looking for
    additional info on his death. Can anyone offer additional information.
    Please email me directly if possible and I will forward onto this person.

    "Radio Days would not be complete without including "Colonel Stoopnagle
    and Budd".I am Budd's [removed] real name was Wilbur Budd Hulick. I
    understand that he passed away in Florida but cannot find out anymore info.
    Please help? "

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:20:51 -0400
    From: "Donald P. Tuttle" <dobbsi5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  radio announcers

    from time to time i have sought information about OTR announcers but have
    generally failed; example, Dan Seymour is a so-called porcine actor notable
    for sleaze roles (Casablanca is one), but at the same time there was an
    announcer named Dan Seymour (Aunt Jenny). I doubt if they were one and the
    same and have come up with tons of info on movie Dan but nothing on radio
    Dan. Is there some work extant on announcers in general? I should think so,
    because in my opinion they were part of the aural mystique of this
    wonderful medium.

    = ====
    Donald P. Tuttle

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 05:33:17 -0400
    From: Larry Groebe <lgroebe@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: WOTW Rights

    Randy asked:

>     Slightly off topic.  Does anyone know who owns the broadcast rights to War of
>     the Worlds?
>     As a public radio station in PA we would like to broadcast it, but we need to
>     obtain permission.
>     Anyone have any ideas who to contact?

    If no-one else has better info, this is what one theater group told ME last
    [removed]

      We managed to track down Norman Rudman, the lawyer for Anne
      Koch, Howard Koch's widow. We negotiated a royalty fee for two
      performances that seemed fair to both sides. As we performed in a coffee
      house with a maximum seating capacity of 60 people, the price was
      $50 per performance.

    The Museum of Television and Radio has a branch in LA that might know how to
    contact "Norman Rudman." See this site: [removed]

    Hope this [removed] share with me and the Digest whatever you DO
    ultimately discover, as this is probably THE most requested OTR performance
    script. (with Lux's "It's a Wonderful Life" close behind.)

    --Larry Groebe
      Keeper of Scripts
      [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 05:30:56 -0400
    From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bob Hope

     To my mind the last great entertainer of the 20th
    century has left the scene with the passing of Bob
    Hope. He wasn't a saint by any means but he did his
    job better then most and as one who saw both sides of
    him during a show in Long Behn (sp)South Veit Nam I
    still feel I was privilaged to watch a giant. Rest in
    God's loving arms Mr. Hope.
                   Larry Albert

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 05:31:34 -0400
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Bob Hope
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    An entire generation may never know Bob Hope at his funniest.  First of all,
    his radio appearances, both on his show and others; there was something about
    that medium that brought out the best in him.  I heard a "Big Show" not long
    ago, and his banter with Tallulah Bankhead had me laughing out loud.  He was
    surprisingly bawdy.  Secondly, any time he appeared with or even spoke of Bing
    Crosby, that was time to listen close.  It appeared obvious to me, in many of
    the pair's radio appearances together (at least the ones I've heard), that
    Hope
    ad-libbed even more than usual.

    I met the great comedian in October 1989 when he was in town for a show.
    With a photographer in tow, I interviewed him for my TV station.  Bob Hope was
    funny, kind, and never minded the requests for pictures or autographs, in fact
    even seemed to expect them.  In fact, what struck me the most was how much he
    seemed to love attention from just about *everyone*, how much an entire crowd
    could talk to him at once and he would still make every member of it feel like
    he was just talking to him/her.  I have to wonder if it's even possible for a
    famous comedian to have a personality like that in this day and age.   That
    makes me as sad as Hope's death itself.

    Dixon

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 05:32:05 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Bob Hope

    Hi Everybody,

    in 1968 Frank Bresee put together a happy birthday show for bob Hope for
    AFrS.  Billy Graham sent Frank a recorded message to put in the special.
    Billy explain in the recording that he would only fly in bad weather during
    He would only fly in bad weather to be with only two people.  One would be
    the president of the United State and the other was Bob Hope.  Billy did
    this during Christmas Eve of 1966 because Bob ask him to come and give a
    Christmas message for the troops on an aircraft carrier.  Billy believe that
    Bob was a national treasure because he brought a touch of home to the men.
    I think that tells you  some about Bob, if Billy would do such a thing.
    Take care,

    Walden

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 05:33:30 -0400
    From: gsgreg@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  KPOJ

    Here in Portland, Oregon we used to have two daily newspapers:  The
    Oregonian (still in existence) and the Oregon Journal (gone for at least
    25 years).  Radio Station KPOJ?  Portland Oregon Journal, of course.

    Gordon Gregersen

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 05:30:30 -0400
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Vic and Sade

    Kathy (who lives in Vic & Sade's home town) asks if Vic & Sade were on
    other radio shows.

    Yes, one.  They were both in "Welcome Valley," a straight-drama segment
    of a radio show called MUSICAL MEMORIES, hosted by poet Edgar A. Guest.

    Art Van Harvey and Bernadine Flynn played Jeffrey and Mathilda Barker,
    and as far as I can ascertain they were on the show from 1935 until 1937,
    which means it ran concurrently (on NBC Blue) with Vic & Sade.  The Guest
    show was once a week (on Tuesday nights), while Vic & Sade was a
    five-day-a-week afternoon show.

    ---Dan

    [removed]  Personal note for Kathy--I live in Champaign, and my daughter
    Karen, who is a big Vic & Sade fan,  starts college (in special ed) at
    Illinois State next month.  She made us hunt down Virginia Avenue when we
    were there to see the college, and she thinks she found Vic & Sade's
    house.  Small world!

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 05:48:28 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

     From Those Were The Days --

    1937 - The American Federation of Radio Artists (AFRA) was organized. It
    was part of the American Federation of Labor. The union was for all
    radio performers except musicians. The union later became The American
    Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA) to include TV folk,
    as well.

    1942 - Stage Door Canteen was first heard on CBS. The show was broadcast
       from New York City and 500 servicemen were entertained each week by
    celebrities who freely donated their time for the war effort.

    Joe

    --
    Visit my homepage:  [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:38:46 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Recording Ban Loopholes

    On 7/29/03 11:26 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

>     Martin Grams' post in Digest 291 about Information Please being transcribed

    >from 1938 to 1945 reminds me of something I've wondered about. How was the

>     network able to play a transcription on the air? Wasn't there a self-imposed
>     ban on using recordings on network shows?

    Beginning in 1939, NBC officially amended its policy on recordings to
    allow the use of a delayed-transcription rebroadcast of "Information
    Please," but only over Pacific Coast Blue Network affiliates. This was
    enough of a break from precedent that it drew attention not just in the
    trades but in the civilian press as well -- it even rated a mention in
    "Time" magazine as a significant event of that week.

    The rationale was simple enough: because "Information Please" was an
    extemporaneous program, there was no way to do a live restaging for the
    west other than to do two entirely different programs -- and this was,
    evidently, something that Dan Golenpaul was unwilling to stand for.

    What's most interesting to me in all this is the fact that there were
    *other* extemporaneous programs on NBC at the time -- notably "Vox Pop"
    and "America's Town Meeting of the Air" (although the latter program had
    scripted portions, most of the second half of the program was composed of
    extemporaneous questions and comments from the audience.). These two
    programs were as impossible to restage for live rebroadcast as
    "Information Please," but I've not seen anything to indicate that they
    were allowed to take advantage of the loophole in the No Recordings ban
    created for Golenpaul's program. Long runs of both of these series
    survive to this day -- but I've not seen anything proving that these were
    made for rebroadcast.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:39:10 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Tex McCrary

    Hi Everybody,

    I heard on CBS news at 3 AM that Tex McCrary died at 92 years old.  I
    understand that Jinx Falkenburg live in New York today.  I am only aware of
    just one of there show is circulation.  It is with Fred Allen as guest.  I
    believe both of them went with Bob Hope to Germany for Bob Christmas show in
    1948.    Take care,

    Walden

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:12:19 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Information, Please

    Barbara asked:

>     Martin Grams' post in Digest 291 about Information Please being transcribed
>     from 1938 to 1945 reminds me of something I've wondered about. How was the
>     network able to play a transcription on the air? Wasn't there a self-imposed
>     ban on using recordings on network shows? If no recordings were used, how
>     could a quiz show, for example, be repeated for the west coast? The answers
>     would have already been known.

    >From June 1938 to February 1945, all of the INFORMATION, PLEASE broadcasts
    were recorded in NY City and replayed the same recording two hours later for
    the West Coast.  Thus if the series was broadccast 8 pm on EST, the
    following would have been the schedule:
    8 - 8:30 [removed], EST
    7 - 7:30 [removed], CST
    8 - 8:30 [removed], MST
    7 - 7:30 [removed], PST

    All of the broadcasts of March 1945 to late 1949 were broadcast live on a
    coast-to-coast hookup.  The schedule was:
    10:30 - 11:00 [removed], EST
    9:30 - 10:00 [removed], CST
    8:30 - 9:00 [removed], MST
    7:30 - 8:00 [removed], PST

    Dan Golenpaul had a reputation for objecting to a lot of things during the
    years of INFORMATION, PLEASE - and there was a time when he publicly
    objected against the networks airing the program at the late 10:30 hour.
    But because the sponsors did not wish to pay the bucks to afford the
    transciptions, the series had to be broadcast at the latest time slot
    possible without going past 11 [removed]

    During the last season or two, when INFORMATION PLEASE was broadcast over
    Mutual ([removed]) till April of 1951, the program was recorded in the
    afternoons for everyone's convenience and later broadcast at whatever time
    slot Mutual deemed appropriate, in different locality areas.  If any new
    INFORMATION, PLEASE episodes ever surface in recording form, unless they are
    those filling in the blanks from 1938-february 1945, chances are they will
    be from the Mutual run during the last season.  If any episodes surface from
    March 1945 to 1949 then I will probably be off-the-air recordings that were
    made without Golenpaul or the sponsor being aware of it.
    Sorry about the confusion in the earlier post.
    Martin

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:11:20 -0400
    From: Dick Judge <dickjudge@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Informaton Please

    Marty Grams is a little off with his numbers for Information Please.

    At the present time there are between 237 and 245 shows in existence, rather
    than the 223.

    I do believe there were more than 600 actual show dates for this series.
    Again rather than the 510 that he says.

    MEMORIES OF RADIO/Dick Judge

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:39:05 -0400
    From: Rod Gowen <rgowen@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Speaking of call [removed]

    I'm sure all, or at least, most,
    of the folks on this digest have heard of Victor Ives. He hosted a
    syndicated OTR show called
    "The Golden Age Of Radio Theater," an hour long,
    greatly abridged series of some 385 shows put out
    to stations on 12" vinyl LPs back in
    the early 1980's.

    He lived here in the Portland Oregon area, Lake Oswego, to be exact and
    finally realized his dream of owning and operating his own
    full time OTR radio station back in early 1981 I believe.
    The call letters were KVIX, AM 1290. the VIX for Vic's Radio station.

    Later,

    Rod

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:41:13 -0400
    From: "Jeff G" <geddes_jeff@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bob Hope

    All,

    I too share similar feelings about the lack of coverage on Bob Hope there
    has been since his passing.  I remember when people like Frank Sinatra,
    Princess Diana, and even George Burns died, there were full magazine
    specials on their [removed] and the television coverage! Specials, hour-long
    dedications, [removed] Now, with perhaps the biggest name in show-biz, all I
    see is a one-night, 3 minute segment on his death in the middle of a news
    broadcast.
    Shameful!
    Bob Hope was such a talented entertainer, and I know I was greatly saddened
    by his death.

    I must say, however, that I did enjoy the Larry King Live show last night
    where he had three guests (including Bing Crosby's widow and Bob Hope's
    daughter) sharing their memories of Bob.

    Anyway, I just hope there will be more on Bob both on radio and in
    television over the next few days.

    Happy Listening,

    jeff

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:48:40 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: recorded programs

    Barbara Watkins asked how could there be live West Coast repeats of quiz
    shows, considering the self-imposed ban on the use of transcriptions on the
    network.  Not all network programs were given West Coast repeats.
    Additionally, by 1940 there was some relaxation of the live repeat rule on
    NBC Blue, and Mutual never did have an outright ban.  This probably
    explains the recorded repeats of Information Please.    I can (and have
    already in the past) mention the case of Beat the Band during the wartime
    episodes with Hildegarde.  I have several programs of both the East and
    live West Coast feeds, and although some of the questions were different,
    they did use some of the same questions in both feeds.  The band members
    just played "stupid" and answered pretty much the same way they had the
    first time.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 13:13:08 -0400
    From: "Tim Lones" <timl2002@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  More Radio Station Callsigns

    1310 WFAH Alliance, [removed] Hoiles station founder
             WDPN (same station, current calls) Donald Peterson Current
    owner-operator
    1520 WINW Canton, Ohio Win-Wonderful especially used in its top 40 years
    starting in 1966 and through much of the 70's.

    900 WAND, Canton Ohio Magic Wand from sign-on in 1947-through most of the
    50's at least.
          WCNS-early 60's CN-Canton
          WNYN NYN=9 900 on the [removed] Country Music 9 in the 70's
         WCER (currently) Where Christ Ever Reigns

    1060 WCMW- (Canton, Ohio)Canton-Massillon Radio 1946-early 60's
              WHOF Early and mid-60's Hall Of Fame (also refers to Pro Football
    Hall of Fame which was in its early stages then)
              WOIO--OIO=Ohio from 1968-73 (now call letters of WOIO TV 19 CBS
    Cleveland)
               WQIO mid-70's-early 80's Q10 or Q1060
               WRCW about 1984-present Radio Canton

    1480 WHBC Canton-(am not positive on this one) We Herald Blessings of
    Christ-Original station owner was a Father Graham a local Canton Priest I
    read the meaning of these letters [removed] not sure where.

    [removed] FM WTOF Tower of Faith from 1961 to 1997 when it became [removed]
    Rocker WKDD-FM
    Aside:Mortenson, the owners of WTOF, also Operated 900 AM as WTOF-AM for a
    short period of time.

    640 WHLO Akron-Hello Radio

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:00:16 -0400
    From: "Bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed];
    To: ""old-time radio digest">" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Tarzan and the Diamond of Asher

    Hi all,
    Could someone give me any information on Tarzan and the diamond of Asher?
    Is there a known date and list of who played who somewhere--maybe on the net?
    Thanks for any help.
    Bill

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    Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 14:17:54 -0400
    From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bob Hope tributes

    I spent all of Monday watching and recording all of the Hope tributes and
    news coverage I could find.  It turned out to be very interesting.  Unlike
    most other obits for performers who appeared in multiple media, practically
    every story included a lot of mention of his radio career.  95% of the
    moving images concerning radio came from the special Command Performance
    film, but CBS's "48 Hours" special introduced his radio career with this
    early sound recording:  "This is the voice of inexperience, Bob Hope
    conducting the Bromo Seltzer Intimate Review."  And what is even more
    interesting is the giant picture above Dan Rather's shoulder at the close
    of that program of Hope at a CBS microphone.

    Bill Schell mentions spending 45 minutes going from station to station on
    radio without hearing about Hope's death.  Did you listen to any of the
    NEWSCASTS?  It was the lead or second story on all the radio newscasts I
    heard that day.  I don't know what you would expect radio stations to do
    during their regular programming time.  If they did do a bulletin interrupt
    it is likely that it would be short and that you would have missed it by
    going from station to station to station.

    And why single out radio for dissing?  The West Coast repeat feeds of the
    morning programs were still on when his death was announced, and other than
    Fox--which was on live--only NBC did an update with the news.  It was a
    brief piece cut into NBC's Today at 9:15 PDT.  The networks did not cover
    Linda Hope's wonderful press conference, only the local LA stations and the
    cable news channels.  The NYC and other local stations did not cover it.

    During the morning the most interesting coverage was on Fox's broadcast
    network.  They had their LA Fox 11 helicopter show some wonderful aerial
    views of Hope's home, his one-hole golf course behind the house, his wife's
    garden, the neighborhood, the nearby golf course, and Universal Studios.
    This gave a us an unequalled understanding of what his home was like and
    where it was situated.  As mentioned, only the local LA stations and the
    cable news channels covered Linda Hope's press conference, which was too
    bad because it gave a lot of details of Hope's home life at the end.  While
    many excerpts were shown that evening, there was a lot more in the whole
    conference.  And of even greater value is Linda Hope's even more detailed
    description of her father's final day on Tues night's "Larry King Live."

    I did find it dismaying that NBC saw fit to only air a two minute tribute
    at the start of their prime time hours.  As a contrast, CBS was able to air
    a full half hour at that time by canceling a program.   While ABC didn't
    change their prime time, they did use a full half hour afterwards when
    Nightline devoted its program to Hope.  Back on NBC, Lenno did discuss Hope
    after the first commercial break, but did not see fit to use any clips.  In
    fairness, NBC-controlled Bravo did reair the recent two-hour NBC tribute at
    8 PM, and NBC themselves had aired that program twice in recent months.
    But they should have had more.  They could have done a mourning bumper at
    their network systems cues, but they didn't.

    But considering I have over 20 hours on videotape, there certainly was no
    real lack of coverage.  Still to come are three of his appearances on
    "What's My Line" on Game Show Network's overnight on Friday night.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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