Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #198
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 7/1/2005 11:10 AM
To: [removed]@[removed]

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2005 : Issue 198
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  WOTW - Cincinnati Connection          [ <tallpaulk@[removed]; ]
  dick judge                            [ "ed carr" <edcarr@[removed]; ]
  6-30 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Lone Ranger premium offer             [ Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed]; ]
  Clifford Thorsness                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Perry Mason Radio to Edge of Night T  [ William Harker <wharker@[removed] ]
  Biggest John Wayne news of the Year   [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Radio Recreation in Dayton            [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  REPS convention                       [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
  Bob Hastings shows                    [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
  William S. Paley                      [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
  Snapshot no. 14: another use for an   [ "HOWARD BLUE" <khovard@[removed]; ]
  Edgar Bergen                          [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  Re: What's In the Daily News?         [ "Lloyd Harradan" <lharradan@hotmail ]
  7-1 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Paul Temple/ CBC                      [ "david rogers" <david_rogers@hotmai ]

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:59:11 -0400
From: <tallpaulk@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  WOTW - Cincinnati Connection

There was a decent article in the Wednesday 6/29 edition of The Cincinnati
Enquirer about the WOTW panic.

[removed]
LIFE

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:59:46 -0400
From: "ed carr" <edcarr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  dick judge

hi
an update, for those of you who deal with dick judge, he won't be able to
get around for awhile,
i was told he fell off a ladder, and broke 5 ribs, plus punched a rib
he will be in the hosp 2 wks, tele 315-393-3600 bed 4702
ed carr

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:59:58 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  6-30 births/deaths

June 30th births

06-30-1879 - Walter Hampden - Brooklyn, NY - d. 6-11-1955
actor: Leonidas Witherall "Leonidas Witherall"
06-30-1894 - Phillips Carlin - NYC - d. 8-27-1971
announcer: "Palmolive Hour"; "Atwater Kent Hour"
06-30-1896 - Wilfred Pelletier - Montreal, Canada - d. 4-9-1982
conductor: "Roses and Drums"; "Metropolitan Opera Auditions of the Air"
06-30-1898 - George Chandler - Waukegan, IL - d. 6-10-1985
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
06-30-1899 - Santos Ortega - NYC - d. 4-10-1976
actor: Nero Wolfe "Advs. of Nero Wolfe"; Richard Queen "Advs. of Ellery Queen"
06-30-1900 - Frank Gallop - Boston, MA - d. 5-xx-1988
announcer: :Milton Berle Show"; "Gangbusters"; "Stella Dallas"
06-30-1904 - Glenda Farrell - Enid,  Oklahoma Territory - d. 5-1-1971
opposing pitcher: "Quizzer's Baseball"
06-30-1905 - Nestor Paiva - Fresno, CA - d. 9-9-1966
actor: "NBC Presents: Short Story"; "Escape"
06-30-1913 - Harry Wismer - Port Huron, MI - d. xx-xx-1967
sportscaster: "Harry Wismer Sports Show"; "Champion Roll Call"
06-30-1917 - Buddy Rich - NYC - d. 4-2-1987
drummer: "Artie Shaw and His Orchestra"; "Tommy Dorsey and His Orchestra"
06-30-1917 - Lena Horne - Brooklyn, NY
singer: "Chamber Music Society of Lower Basin Street"
06-30-1917 - Susan Hayward - Brooklyn, NY - d. 3-14-1975
actress: "Radio Almanac"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
06-30-1918 - Stewart Foster - Binghamton, NY - d. 2-7-1968
singer: "Stewart Foster Show"; "Galen Drake"; "On a Sunday Afternoon"
06-30-1920 - Dean Harens - South Bend, IN - d. 5-20-1996
actor: Arthur Anderson "We, the Abbotts"

June 30th deaths

02-20-1906 - Gale Gordon - NYC - d. 6-30-1995
actor: Mayor LaTrivia "Fibber McGee and Molly"; Osgood Conklin "Our Miss
Brooks"
05-18-1904 - Fred Shields - Kansas City, MO - d. 6-30-1974
actor: Bill Fraser "Tarzan"
06-20-1905 - Lillian Hellman - New Orleans, LA - d. 6-30-1984
author: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
06-20-1924 - Chet Atkins - Luttrell, TN - d. 6-30-2001
guitarist: "Boone County Neighbors"; "Grand Ole Opry"
06-23-1906 - Mary Livingston - Seattle, WA - d. 6-30-1983
comedienne: (wife of Jack Benny) "Jack Benny Program"
07-26-1907 - Galen Drake - Kokomo, IN - d. 6-30-1989
commentator: "Galen Drake"
08-26-1873 - Lee De Forest - Council Bluffs, IA - d. 6-30-1961
inventor: Audion tube
09-23-1901 - Frederick Hazlitt Brennan - d. 6-30-1962
writer: "Shorty Bell" based on Brennan's stories
10-10-1920 - Bernard Grant - The Bronx - d. 6-30-2004
actor: "Rober Kilgore"; "Big Story"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:03:05 -0400
From: Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Lone Ranger premium offer

A while back Richard Rieve queried:

I got copies of [Lone Ranger] shows dated Feb 18, 20, 23 & 25, 1948,
all which featured the Pedometer as part of the plot.  Much to my
surprise, the show did not offer the pedometer to the listener.
There was no "send in a dime and a boxtop" promotion.

Richard didn't mention whether or not any of the
original 1948 commercials were intact on his copies.
I suspect that they weren't included, in which case
one wouldn't hear any promotion for the pedometer.
And I'd bet that the pedometer was indeed promoted on
LR broadcasts heard in many parts of the [removed] in 1948.

I've located virtually no circulating Lone Ranger
recordings of 1940s broadcasts with intact, original
General Mills commercials. (Instead one often hears,
on recordings from that period, music playing in the
spots that originally contained the commercials; and
the full openings and closings are missing.)

The only LR recording with original
Cheerioats/Cheerios and/or Kix commercials I've
located is for the May 9(?), 1945 broadcast -- and it
includes the Kix Airbase premium offer.

Do any of you know about any other existing 1940s LR
broadcast recordings with intact, original Kix or
Cheerioats/Cheerios commercials? (They'd be
'airchecks' I suppose.)

-- Phil C.

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:03:16 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Clifford Thorsness

Is the above mentioned still with us? I have a Clifford M. Thorsness
from the SSDI index that says he was born 8-7-1914 and died
6-14-2002. Is that our Clifford Thorsness?

Ron Sayles
Keeper of the list

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:03:44 -0400
From: William Harker <wharker@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Perry Mason Radio to Edge of Night TV

I believe this is on-topic as it references the Perry Mason radio
show.  According to several sources, including Jack French's _Private
Eyelashes:  Radio's Lady Detectives_, the television soap opera _Edge of
Night_ grew out of the Perry Mason radio show.  Gardner was involved in the
development of the _Edge of Night_ but dropped out; the nighttime tv
version of _Perry Mason_ then was developed.

Anyone have details on Gardner's involvement in _Edge of Night_, its
out-growth from the radio show of Perry Mason, and the reason(s) for
Gardner's withdrawal?

Bill Harker
wharker@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:04:35 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Biggest John Wayne news of the Year

This is probably the biggest John Wayne news to hit the papers in years.

Both THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY and ISLAND IN THE SKY have been supressed from
TV viewing for more than 25 years.  The John Wayne estate held on to the
films and would not allow any station to broadcast it, nor grant Paramount
Studios permission to release it for the home viewing market.

John Wayne fans know that both movies are the holy grail of Wayne pictures
because until recently, the only way you could watch these films was copies
made by fans - either from choppy 16 mm prints, multi-generation copies on
VHS or (if you were as lucky as me) manage to acquire a good smooth 16 mm
transfer from a fella in Canada.  The wait it over.

The Wayne estate finally agreed to allow Paramount Studios to release the
movie on DVD (THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY will be on a two-disc set) with plenty
of extras including commentary by actors and experts of the craft.  Most
importantly, just announced by CNN this afternoon was something of extreme
interest.  AMC signed a deal with Paramount to broadcast THE HIGH AND THE
MIGHTY and ISLAND IN THE SKY this summer to help hype up the DVD release.
Though the television viewing will not feature any bonuses like the DVD
releases, for those who don't intend to shell out the $[removed] retail for the
DVD can watch it for free on AMC (with commercial interuptions, of course).
For me, there's no substitute for home viewing experience than a DVD and a
home theater system, but the fact that THE HIGH AND THE MIGHTY has never
aired on television in 25 years (true fact) means this is a note-worthy
attempt to bring the classics to the small screen and revive interest to a
younger generation.

I know this isn't OTR related but I figured the news would be of interest to
many on the Digest.  keep your eyes glued to the TV Guide so you don't miss
the TV broadcast coming this summer.

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:04:41 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Radio Recreation in Dayton

For anyone who lives within driving distance of Dayton, Ohio, which means a
lot of members of the Cincinnati OTR Club, the Pulpcon Convention (34th year
this year) will be featuring a Nick Carr original play entitled "The
Hanging."  It will be performed by the Pulpcon Players.  The convention is
held Thursday to Sunday, July 7 - 10, 2005 at the Dayton Convention Center.
There will be old-time radio dealers and plenty of pulp magazine collectors
and dealers there.    The web-site is [removed] and the e-mail is
reg@[removed] and phone is 937-832-7016.  Just an FYI for anyone
interested.

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:05:43 -0400
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  REPS convention

Hi Everybody,

I had a wonderful time last week end at REPS convention.  This was my 21
times I been to an OTR convention and the first time for REPS.  The club
lives up to there high stander of being a warm and friendly group.  Mike is
a wonderful chairman and all the volunteers do a great job.  Mike and the
board allowed Yesterday USA to broadcast many of the events live, and when
we were not on live we ran past highlights of REPS conventions, and meeting
starting on Friday morning at 9 AM until Monday morning at 3 AM.  We cover
up the highlights packages from REPS with REN on Sunday for [removed] hours.  I
receive wonderful responds from listeners and the REPS web site receive an
increase numbers of hits over the week end.  The memories I will carry with
me are Archie Andrew re-creation with Hal Stone, bob Hastings, Rosemary
Rice, and Anne Whitfield.  Dick Beals directing Frank Race re-creation and
having Art Gilmore do his part over the telephone because he could not make
the convention  this year.  Art is fine he sold his house  and in the
process of moving.  John Jensen doing a great job of hosting a look back on
Bob Hope and Bing Crosby during the war years.  Billy Idelson hosting a look
back of Vic and Sade.  Hal hosting the Donald Buka interview and Don crying
after seeing some of his past movie highlights.  I enjoyed the chance of
interviewing Bob Hastings for REPS.  Mike did a wonderful job of hosting the
Just Sitting Around and Just visiting.  Dick Beals told a great story about
his memories of Margaret Truman on the Railroad hour and sharing that her
pass word for her two body guard was I Like Ike.  These are just some of my
memories.  It was allot of fun for me to meet many of the members of REPS,
shearing good times with Hal Stone,and Bob Hastings.  I am very glad my
friend Bryan Haigood   wanted me to come.  I will be at FOTR this year in
October.  Jay and the gang do a great job back in NJ.  This should be a fun
convention because the group will be celebrating 30 years.  I am looking
forward in reading what going to happen this at FOTR this year and if I can
help in any way please let me know.  Take care,

Walden Hughes

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:05:48 -0400
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Bob Hastings shows

Hi Everybody,

Bob Hasting is looking for copies of shows he appeared on such as the
National Barn Dance in 1939 and 1940, and a local broadcast on WLS during
Christmas time.  He also appeared on Coast to Coast on a Bus and I would
like to find them too for him.  Hope any one can help,

Walden Hughes

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:05:55 -0400
From: <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  William S. Paley

Recently I finished reading "In All His Glory:  The Life of William S.
Paley, The Legendary Tycoon and His Brilliant Circle" (Simon and Schuster,
1990) by Sally Bedell Smith.  I had owned the book for several years but
hadn't made time to pour intensely over its nearly 800 pages.

The author paints a portrait of Paley that isn't particularly flattering.
She wastes no words in revealing the subject's underhanded business and
personal tactics, his incessant maneuvers to make himself wealthy, powerful,
influential and -- above all -- appear better than he is.  He was extremely
conscious of his image and how he was being perceived was of utmost
importance to him.

Others on this list have read this book, I'm confident, and may have other
impressions.  I was delighted by the volume's thoroughness.  The author took
five years to conduct 675 interviews with 275 key figures.  Those she spoke
with told her plenty and it made for a colorful essay.

Disappointing was the casual brush radio was given once television surfaced,
dismissed virtually as an afterthought.  There was little spotlight on
radio's splendid contributions to the nation's entertainment past Paley's
raids on NBC at the end of the 1940s, for instance.  Nor was there any
mention of the lingering vestiges of network programming in the 1960s nor
the resurgent attempts in radio drama in the 1970s.  One would have thought
that since Paley manifest a demonstrated interest in "saving radio" there
would have been more fodder for this feast.

The man lived a glamorous lifestyle, constantly flitting from one upscale
adventure at his various farflung homes and vacationing abroad for months
several times a year, attending and throwing elegant parties for society
intimates, routinely chasing women often much younger than he, yet
incessantly disrupting the very business that kept his name before the
public.  He could be an ogre and most of his executives regularly
encountered his wrath directly or indirectly.  His treatment of Frank
Stanton, his number two man for two decades (who often made him look good),
and Stanton's several successors was incredibly mean-spirited at times.  He
eventually turned on subordinates who had been loyal to the company and to
him (Edward R. Murrow was one of many cited).

Despite this Paley possessed a vision and resolve to establish a new network
against a formidable competitor.  The fact that he accomplished it and did
it well is a fitting tribute to his ability and perseverance.

This is a compelling volume and I recommend it to anyone interested in the
origins of broadcasting history.  Incidentally, Paley wrote an autobiography
("As It Happened," Doubleday, 1979) which Smith says tells the same story
very differently -- as if he truly was "in all his glory" that she alludes
to in her own title.  The flaws in character, she says, aren't pronounced in
his own recollection.

Jim Cox

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:07:39 -0400
From: "HOWARD BLUE" <khovard@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Snapshot no. 14: another use for an OTR book

Well, the title is a bit misleading. In this instance, the book was useful
for only the author.

Seems I had a little health scare that put me into the hospital this morning
for one of those "Tests" with a capital "T." In the end, the diagnosis was
much less severe than what I feared.

Hours later, on the way home, Debby, my wife, and I stopped at the library
to pick up a bunch of videos. In the library, I realized that I had left my
card home in my wallet which I had not wanted to bring to the hospital.
"Never mind," I told Debby. "At the front desk, I'll just show my ID and
they will give me a note to bring to the video check out." But my health
insurance card had no photo on it. "Sorry," the woman said. "No dice." "Just
a minute," I told her. I went over to the stacks, pulled off a copy of my
book (Words at War) brought it over the desk, opened to the inside of the
back of the book jacket, showed my photo, and "Voila!" I got my note.

So---- one more reason to write that book you were thinking of doing!

Howard Blue

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:08:17 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Edgar Bergen

Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 19:44:55 -0400
From: "David Ballarotto" <balla@[removed];

You didn't feel like you were listening to a man just changing
voices, especially when Bergen was at his  peak.  

If that's the criterion, then Buffalo Bob Smith was a great ventriloquist.  Except that he wasn't 
a ventriloquist at all.  At first, he talked for Howdy off-camera (and there were some 
occasional gaffes, when the camera accidentally showed him talking for Howdy).  Soon, he 
was pre-recording Howdy's voice.  In later years, he was getting careless, and Howdy 
sounded more like Bob Smith changing his voice.  But watching earlier shows and listening 
to the records, I can't, even today, recognize Howdy's voice as Bob Smith.

-- A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed] 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@[removed] Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:09:27 -0400 From: "Lloyd Harradan" <lharradan@[removed]; To: <[removed]@[removed]; Subject: Re: What's In the Daily News? Jim Burns up and said:
Did you know, that once a year, there's a VENTRILOQUISTS convention?

Imagine walking into a ballroom, filled with
so many [removed]

I've done [removed] many times. :-) :-)

h

[ADMINISTRIVIA: But, of course, _never_ at the Friends of Old-Time Radio
Convention in Newark.  --cfs3]

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:09:34 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  7-1 births/deaths

July 1st births

07-01-1881 - Josef Pasternack - Czenstachown, Poland - d. 4-29-1940
conductor: "Atwater Kent Concert"; "Carnation Contented Hour"
07-01-1899 - Charles Laughton - Scarborough, England - d. 12-15-1962
actor: "Three Ring Time"; "Columbia Presents Corwin"; "Blue Ribbon Town"
07-01-1901 - Irna Phillips - Chicago, IL - d. 12-23-1973
actress, writer: Mother Moran "Today's Children"; "The Guiding Light"; "Road
of Life"
07-01-1902 - William Wyler - Muhlhausen, Germany - d. 7-28-1981
film director: "Screen Director's Playhouse"; "Hollywood Fights Back"
07-01-1907 - Bill Stern - Rochester, NY - d. 11-19-1971
sportscaster: "Carnival of Champions"; "Colgate Sports Newsreel"
07-01-1908 - Alvino Rey - Oakland, CA - d. 2-24-2004
bandleader: "Horace Heidt and His Brigadiers"
07-01-1909 - Madge Evans - NYC - d. 4-26-1981
panelist: "Leave It to the Girls"; "Who Said That?"
07-01-1911 - Larry Burns - Belfast, Northern Ireland
producer, director: "The Bill Goodwin Show"
07-01-1914 - Michael Wilson - McAlester, OK - d. 4-9-1978
blacklisted screen writer: "Lux Radio Theatre"
07-01-1916 - Olivia De Havilland - Tokyo, Japan
actress: "Plays for Americans"; "Your Hollywood Parade"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
07-01-1925 - Farley Granger - San Jose, CA
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre", "Screen Guild Theatre"
07-01-1931 - Leslie Caron - Boulogne, France
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
07-01-1934 - Jamie Farr - Toledo, OH
actor: Armed Forces Radio
07-01-1934 - Jean Marsh - London, England
actress: "Earplay"

July 1st deaths

02-21-1938 - Wolfman Jack - Brooklyn, NY - d. 7-1-1995
disc jockey: Mexican Border Radio"
02-27-1927 - Guy Mitchell - Detroit, MI - d. 7-1-1999
singer: "Stars On Parade"; "1957 March of Dimes Galaxy of Stars"
04-03-1924 - Marlon Brando - Omaha, NE - d. 7-1-2004
actor: "Streetcar Named Desire"; "As Easy as [removed]"
04-15-1928 - Jimmy Ogg - Los Angeles, CA - d. 7-1-1986
actor: "Smilin' Ed's Buster Brown Gang"
06-07-1919 - Ray Scherer - Fort Wayne, IN - d. 7-1-2000
nbc white house correspondent: "News of the World"; "Army-McCarthy Hearings"
06-25-1897 - Wilkie Mahoney - d. 7-1-1976
writer: "The Bob Hope Show:
08-06-1917 - Robert Mitchum - Bridgeport, CT - d. 7-1-1997
actor: "Family Theatre"; "So Proudly We Hail"
08-08-1910 - Sylvia Sidney - The Bronx, NY - d. 7-1-1999
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Columbia Presents Corwin"; "Philip Morris
Playhouse"
09-04-1908 - Ed Dmytryk - Grand Forks, Canada - d. 7-1-1999
film director"; "George Fisher Interviews the Stars"
12-23-1913 - Anton M. Leader - Boston, MA - d. 7-1-1988
director: "Eternal Light"; "Murder at Midnight"; "Suspense"; "Words at War"
12-25-1918 - Maritta M. Wolff - Grass Lake, MI - d. 7-1-2002
novelist: (Whistle Stop) "Lux Radio Theatre"
12-26-1891 - Tony Wons - Menasha, WI - d. 7-1-1965
host: "Tony Wons Scrapbook"; "House by the Side of the Road"; "Camel Quarter
Hour"
12-29-1915 - Robert Ruark - Wilmington, NC - d. 7-1-1965
novelist: "Who Said That?"
xx-xx-xxxx - Eloise McElhone - d. 7-1-1974
panelist: "Leave It to the Girls"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 13:09:44 -0400
From: "david rogers" <david_rogers@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Paul Temple/ CBC

For an undate every day of The Archers there is a listen again page at:

[removed]

For Paul Temple and CBC Mystery Project, if you are subscribed to streamload
you may want to check out:

[removed]~krb/[removed]

Enjoy

Love as always, David Rogers

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