Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #293
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 7/30/2002 11:19 AM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 293
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Glenn Miller at Fort Knox?            [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
  Harlow Wilcox Coughing                [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
  WLW Organ                             [ ClifSr@[removed] ]
  Baby Snooks family members            [ JaRRod DellaChiesa <gobojoe@[removed] ]
  Re: A&A's XMas                        [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  "The Giants Win the Pennant! The Gia  [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
  Yiddish Radio Project                 [ Lennell Herbert-Marshall <HerMars@e ]
  Missing info for Burns & Allen show   [ Ivan G Shreve Jr <iscreve@[removed] ]
  Re: Public figures                    [ Ga6string@[removed] ]
  WBZ and CBS                           [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  Amos 'n' Andy                         [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  ned martin                            [ michael berger <intercom1@attglobal ]
  Today in otr history                  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  JackBenny@[removed] and pet names       [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
  Random follow-up thoughts             [ Derek Tague <derek@[removed]; ]
  Why did our radio fail?               [ John Francis MacEachern <johnfmac@a ]

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:13:56 -0400
From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Glenn Miller at Fort Knox?

This has come up before although I'm not sure that it was on this list
or another one. But Glenn Miller never played Fort Knox as far I know.
The closest he came was playing Cincinnati Ohio with his civilian  band.
The Air Force band played Louisville Kentucky, but this was in 1945
after the band had returned to the USA without their famous leader.
The civilian band played in the area five times during it's life, July
1940, spring 1941, summer 1941, spring 1942, and summer 1942 but never
at Fort Knox. Glenn being the great patriot that he was saluted many
military bases and donated radio phonograph combinations and records(of
all artists) to many of these bases and all out of his own pocket. This
was done mainly on his" Sunset Serenade" sustaining show 1st on NBC and
later on Mutual networks. He also played many of these bases but again
not Fort Knox.
Just why you have a Glenn Miller Performing Arts Center there I cannot
tell you, but it seems that many communities across the country claim
some connection to Miller and use his name in some manner.
As far as the broadcast of Feb. 5th 1941 goes there are two songs from
that broadcast in circulation. One is "Sentimental Me" with the
dedication and "Oysters for Two". I have the former if you're interested
but not the latter. I wouldn't be surprised to see the entire broadcast
turn up one of these days as there seems to be a never ending supply of
"new" Miller broadcasts being released all the time.

George Aust

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:16:55 -0400
From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Harlow Wilcox Coughing

 Matt C. from Dancingdays72777@[removed] commented regarding flubs

...
The other (much more sympathetic) goof came on the 5-3-49 episode of Fibber
McGee and Molly. Harlow Wilcox starts coughing uncontrollably during the
opening commercial for Johnson's Wax! He asks for a glass of water, but can't
finish the announcement, and Billy Mills has to bail him out!

     That  Matt C. brings up the subject of Harlow Wilcox's  uncontrollable
coughing spell brings up a memory I've long had of working on a project with
Mr. Wilcox. It wasn't a broadcast but a recording being made for some company
to promote one of their business efforts or products, I forget which.  At any
rate, we were a cast of adults and kids doing a dramatization of a story and
during one recording run through of the script one of the other younger child
actors made an obvious flub.  The disc continued being cut and we continuted
to the end where Harlow Wilcox began the narrative ending of how the
company's services could help out the conditions related in the
dramatization. and during his read he commenced this horrendous coughing.  It
wasn't just a cough, but a continuous string of attempted throat clearings.
and coughs.  He seemed to come out of the spell and continued normally until
the end. Afterwards the director had the disk played through and we all got
to hear the young boy (It wasn't I) again stumble on his line, and then the
sounds of Harlow Wilcox's coughing and throat clearing.  During it Harlow
Wilcox sitting in his chair, said to the director, "I thought that coughing
part was very good."  He said it with a smile on his face, and with such
aplomb that we all accepted the idea it was perfectly all right we'd do
another recording.  At the time I thought what a great guy Harlow Wilcox was
to assume the blame for redoing the disc by such a fit of coughing much more
serious than the simple flub of the young child thereby relieving him of any
blame. of our having to redo the disc.

But Matt's comments have caused me to wonder if Harlow Wilcox had a
propensity to coughing spells? You'd think not given the requirements he met
in daily using his voice talents to earn a living.  I don't know if the above
story happened before or after Matt's recollection,  Noting the date, I'm
thinking before, but in Harlow's memory I'd like to think that perhaps Harlow
once remembered when he was beset by such a coughing spell things had to halt
for a moment and that he used that memory to assuage a fellow actor's anguish.

CAB
---
Conrad  A. Binyon
Encino, CA
Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:17:01 -0400
From: ClifSr@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  WLW Organ

I just heard from the Hamilton Ohio information bureau that they have no
knowledge of the fate of the so-called WLW Moon River Pipe Organ in the
closed Shady Nook Restaurant.    Does anybody in the Cinci area have
authoratative info on what might have happend to it, if anything?

Clif Martin

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:08:03 -0400
From: JaRRod DellaChiesa <gobojoe@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Baby Snooks family members

Hi,

I just listened to the Baby Snooks program entitled "The Circus."
Snooks' mother made a comment in that episode that implied that either
Snooks has brothers and sisters, or that they baby sit or something of
that [removed] she said that she had to "stay home with the children."
Does anyone know about what that means?  Thanks for your help!  It's
kindof a weird [removed]

-Jarrod :0)

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 20:08:29 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: A&A's XMas

On 7/29/02 5:24 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

I'm wondering how many listeners or viewers who so dislike the AMOS and ANDY
show have ever heard or seen the 30 minute Christmas show  and if so what
they think of it?????

For my money, the approach taken in the Xmas program is precisely the
approach the half-hour series *should* have taken all the time: a mixture
of solid, character-based humor, sentiment, and philosophy. These had
been, along with suspense and melodrama, the key ingredients of the
serial -- thruout the 1930s, Amos often delivered uplifting homilies like
his "Lord's Prayer" speech on a wide range of subjects  -- and had the
weekly A&A continued along that line, the program's modern-day reputation
might have ended up being a lot less controversial. The TV adaptation of
the piece was nicely done -- and shows that Charles Barton could be a
subtle director when prevented from rolling out his usual door-slamming
eye-bugging slapstick schtick.

In both the radio and TV versions, I especially like the warmth which
underscores the scene between Amos and Andy when Andy delivers the gifts
-- this really captures the feeling of the serial-era relationship
between them, an era where they sincerely described themselves as being
"close as brothers" (leading at least one prominent clergyman to liken
Amos and Andy to David and Jonathan.) You rarely get this sense of A&A's
personal closeness in the half-hour shows, and this is a real loss to the
series.

Elizabeth

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:51:47 -0400
From: Grbmd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "The Giants Win the Pennant!  The Giants Win
 the Pennant!"

In a message dated 7/29/02 5:19:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:

I was glad to see the wonderful Russ Hodges mentioned.   Yesterday, during a
 Giant-Dodger game here in SF they replayed his famous call of the 1951
 Giant-Dodger playoff which ended with Bobby Thomson's legendary
 playoff-winning homerun.

Even the Dodgers' announcer's Red Barber acknowledged that his own call of
the homer didn't stand a chance when matched against Russ' dramatic call,
which gained international fame.

 Thomson was here yesterday as an honored guest of
 the Giants and was interviewed on both the radio and TV broadcasts of the
 game.

In the years following, Bobby Thomson and his Dodgers' pitcher-victim Ralph
Branca made quite a career of touring America as a duo, good-naturedly
appearing together as the hero and the goat, to the delight of all who
remembered.  That shows how a person can recover from disaster.  Immediately
after that ballgame, losing-pitcher Branca had refused to talk with the media
at all.  Time heals all wounds.

Brooklyn Fan Spence Coleman

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:52:16 -0400
From: Lennell Herbert-Marshall <HerMars@[removed];
To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Yiddish Radio Project

For those interested in Ethnic Radio, I ran across this news release.
I did a quick view of the site and thought it might interest others on
this list.
Lennell H-M
_______________________

Yiddish Radio Project

NPR celebrates the "golden age" of Yiddish radio in the
1930s to 1950s with the Yiddish Radio Project
[ [removed] ], a co-production of Sound
Portraits Productions and Living Traditions. Listen to gems such
as "The Greedy Mother," a radio drama by Nahum
Stutchkoff, and take in special exhibits such as "Rabbi
Rubin's Court of the Air." With videos, photographs, and --
of course -- audio, this site is a virtual time machine that
takes you into the rich history of this radio renaissance.

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Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 21:52:04 -0400
From: Ivan G Shreve Jr <iscreve@[removed];
To: Old Time Radio Mailing List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Missing info for Burns & Allen show

Jerry Haendiges announced:

"HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood from Boston
1. BURNS & ALLEN  -  (Can you name the date ??)  "Gracie's Old Boyfriend
  Come to Visit"    Keith Fowler is probably played by Jeff Chandler."

I've been looking for a date to this show myself and haven't had much
luck--but I've listened to it a lot and I'm also 99% sure that the Keith
Fowler role is played by Elliott Lewis and not Chandler.

Ivan
--
"I know I'm [removed] as long as I make 'em laugh they're not gonna lock me
up." -- Red Skelton

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:18:25 -0400
From: Ga6string@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Public figures

Harry Bartell recently offered his comments on my input as to what
constitutes a public figure, and several others have commented as well. First
of all, I don't cherish the idea of Mr. Bartell "quarreling" with aspects of
my posting. Even though I am a journalist, I don't participate in this
listing as a member of the media. I'm an OTR fan and consumer, plain and
simple; I don't write about it, but I do spend lots of money on the hobby,
and share it, via trades and gifts, with lots of friends. I've enjoyed Mr.
Bartell's OTR work immensely -- I've spent countless hours listening to
programs in which he performed -- and I appreciate his contributions to this
digest. He knows more about this stuff than most of us -- including,
certainly, myself -- can ever hope to!

My comments were based on my understanding of legal concepts regarding public
figures and private individuals, and their treatment by the media. I'm
definitely not a lawyer, and it's been a decade or so since I did any
research on the topic, but I think I stated the basic premise correctly.

As for Bob Bailey, I never suggested that America, or even the OTR community,
has a overriding need to know his story, whatever it is, particularly if the
telling of it would only sully his public image or his memory among his
surviving friends. I'm not even saying that it's correct, as a moral issue,
that the media have access to it. However, I do submit (respectfully!) to Mr.
Bartell and to others who've responded that Bailey was indeed a public
figure. Unlike an anonymous face in a TV commercial, or unlike a character
actor, Bailey's NAME and his voice were prominently presented in a STARRING
capacity in a nationally broadcast network radio program that aired in
15-minute segments five times a week for a year (Oct. 1955 - Nov. 1956) and
then once a week as a half-hour program for four more years, until Nov. 1960.
(Mr. Bartell was in the cast of those final appearances, I believe.) And this
is only as Johnny Dollar -- we're not counting his time on Let George Do It
or other programs. Without making an exact count, that's approximately 450
starring appearances on YTJD, around 160 hours before a national radio
audience. Correct? How many people heard him, in a starring role, in that
time? Millions? Tens of millions? (I have no clue. Anyone have any details on
late-1950s audience ratings?). And how many more have heard these programs,
via recordings, in subsequent decades?

Again, I have no idea what the story of Mr. Bailey's later life is all about,
or whether it's worthy of telling. Perhaps not. Frankly, if it meant that I'd
never feel the same about hearing YTJD again, then I'd rather not know the
story, myself. In any case, the audience (you wouldn't see this story on
Entertainment Tonight, would you?) for this information would be limited to
the OTR community. Still, it's noteworthy that the plain truth of a person's
experience might be less sensational and have less "shelf life" than the
speculation (as evidenced in this digest) about what might have happened
during some "lost" interval of time.

My original point, lost in all of this, and perhaps not all that relevant, is
that it IS possible to tell a story -- even one that features a person's
downfall -- in a manner that is compassionate and sensitive to his/her
humanity. Further, it is incumbent upon the members of the media, when they
do choose to tell such stories, to present them with class and with respect
for the parties involved. Therein lies the rub, most often.

Sincerely,
Bryan Powell

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:46:08 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  WBZ and CBS

Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 17:41:18 -0400
From: John Francis MacEachern <johnfmac@[removed];

Just this past Christmas Eve,   WBZ in Boston ( a station
recently acquired by CBS)

WBZ was not acquired by CBS.  Westinghouse, which owned WBZ from the
beginning in 1921, acquired CBS.

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:46:01 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Amos 'n' Andy

Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 13:27:34 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];

so after a while the only role for him seemed to be that of a
"Greek Chorus," standing off to one side and commenting on the proceedings
without getting directly involved.

And in the TV version, he hardly appeared at all.  The only TV episode I remember that 
centered on Amos was the Christmas show.  I don't remember very much about it, except for 
a scene where Amos is telling Arbadella something about the Lord's Prayer.  Well, 
Christmas shows are a special phenomenon, and they do things that can never be done the 
rest of the year.  The only other time I remember Amos on the TV show was a brief cameo 
appearance, in which he was driving a cab and had a short conversation with Andy.

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:56:30 -0400
From: michael berger <intercom1@[removed];
To: otr <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  ned martin

Aside from the '75 series tapes, any full game tapes of
Ned Martin in circulation that would include his years
with Jim Woods?

Michael Berger

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:56:36 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in otr history

  From Those Were The Days --

1937 - The American Federation of Radio Artists (AFRA) was organized. It
was part of the American Federation of Labor. The union was for all
radio performers except musicians. The union later became The American
Federation of Television and Radio Artists (AFTRA) to include TV folk,
as well.

1942 - Stagedoor Canteen was first heard on CBS. The show was broadcast
live from New York City and 500 servicemen were entertained each week by
celebrities who freely donated their time for the war effort.

  Joe

--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:56:59 -0400
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  JackBenny@[removed] and pet names

I guess Mel would have to be a parrot or a polar bear. And
what would Mary be? [removed]

A mink?

Herb Harrison

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:57:41 -0400
From: Derek Tague <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Random follow-up thoughts

Hi Gang:

   All this talk about the Boston Red Sox reminds me of a joke I heard on one
of Garrison Keillor's annual "joke show" editions of "Prairie Home
Companion":
   Q: What's the  difference between Yankee Franks and Fenway Franks?
   A: You can still buy Yankee Franks in October!

   Once again another inane "50 Greatest" list courtesy of TV Guide, this time
"the 50 Greatest Cartoon Characters of All Time."  I see that "Calvin & the
Colonel" is conspicuously absent. It occurred to me that accessibility was
probably a criterion for devising this list, &, sadly, "C&C" isn't
particularly "out there"; but when was the last time you saw a "Gerald
McBoing-Boing" cartoon? (this Dr. Seuss creation DID make the list).
    I've also noticed that TV Guide shies away from anything related to
"A 'n' A" going so far as to leave off the "Andy Plays Santa" episode from
their list of the greatest Christmas-themed TB episodes.

     Q: What did John McEnroe say to the XM Satellite Network?
     A: "You can't be Sirius."
All right, they can't  all be [removed]

Still yours in the ether,

Derek Tague

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 08:58:06 -0400
From: John Francis MacEachern <johnfmac@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Why did our radio fail?

Hi!

My friend and I had to do some work at my parent's house the
other day, he was a little grumpy because he was missing the
Red Sox game on the TV.  I said we can hear it on the radio
but he thought that was horrible, he said he would never
listen to sports on the radio, he needed to see it.  I think
he is in a very small minority, sports on radio is alive and
well.  WBZ claims that their broadcasts of the Bruins games
is one of their biggest moneymakers.

This little incident got me athinkin'... we've all debated
why the network radio shows that we love passed from the
scene;  I think the consensus might be that the network
execs thought that nobody would listen to a show if they had
the option of seeing it.  So, how does that explain the
continued success of sports programming?

If the listeners of sports programming are tuned in only
because they don't have the current option of viewing it,
wouldn't it be logical that they would still listen to
dramas or comedies as well, when they can't be in front of a
TV? Why are there so few simulcasts of regular TV
programming?  You need to use your imagination just as much
whether you're listening to a mystery or a ball game.

So, why did one genre continue while the other failed?

I have no answers, I've just been wondering about this for a
long [removed]

John Mac

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