Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #209
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Date: 6/29/2001 8:26 AM
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                      The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                         Volume 01 : Issue 209
                   A Part of the [removed]!
                           ISSN: 1533-9289


                           Today's Topics:

 Question                             [GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@]
 ABOUT HARRY BARTELL                  ["David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed]]
 HALLS OF IVY                         ["David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed]]
 Getting copies from public archives  [Jack A French <otrpiano@[removed]; ]
 Dwight Weist                         [William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];]
 Was Capt. Marvel ever on the radio?  [Jer51473@[removed]                   ]
 Milton Berle & Jolie                 [Udmacon@[removed]                    ]
 dwight                               ["Harold Zeigler" <hzeigler@charter-]
 re:  Get em up who?                  [Garry Lewis <glewis@[removed]]
 Greatest Story Ever Told             ["John Melson" <Jmelson1@[removed]]
 Re: Vallee Recordings & Annette      [Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];       ]
 Elvis Marvel Jr.                     [Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed]; ]
 Tonto's Horse                        [Tom van der Voort <evan@[removed];]
 Fred and Jack                        ["Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@worldnet.]

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:08:35 -0400
From: GEORGE WAGNER <gwagneroldtimeradio@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Question

      Let's pretend that our beloved radio is still in
its Golden Age. A fourth or even a fifth actor now
portrays Throckmorton Philharmonic Gildersleeve. Other
comedians the calibre of Fred Allen, Jack Benny, Eddie
Cantor, George Burns and Gracie Allen and Jim and
Marian Jordan still entertain us every night.
SUSPENSE, INNER SANCTUM, LIGHTS OUT, THE MYSTERIOUS
TRAVELER, THE SHADOW and THE WHISTLER yet thrill and
chill us with brand-new stories. JACK ARMSTRONG
currently trails atomic bomb-smuggling terrorists
through Afghanistan.
      If this were indeed the case, would the OTR
avocation exist at all?
      I have some opinions of my own here, but let me
throw this out for discussion first.

      George Wagner
      GWAGNEROLDTIMERADIO@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:10:36 -0400
From: "David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  ABOUT HARRY BARTELL

Harry, this one's for you.  I've been getting a chance finally to listen to
all the OTR programs I bought at the Cincinnati Convention back in April.
And for some reason, every time I listen to a show, the name "Harry Bartell"
is mentioned in the credits it seems.

WAS THERE ANY SHOW YOU DID NOT DO?   ;-)

I must confess, my primary knowledge was of you as Dr. Watson's interviewer
and announcer for Petri Wines.  Now I am continually amazed at the range of
your involvement in OTR.

Thanks for your contribution to OTR and to this Digest.

Dave Phaneuf

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:10:38 -0400
From: "David Phaneuf" <dphaneuf@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  HALLS OF IVY

Thanks to the man with the beard at the Radio Memories booth at the
Cincinnati Convention (I'm sorry, I can't remember your name), I have fallen
in love with The Halls of Ivy.

He simply said, "the Halls of Ivy is one of those shows you feel good about
when its over."  Of course, I then followed, with "you feel good because its
over!?!?!?" He then clarified that the show "leaves you with a good feeling
about life."

Anyway, the show truly is marvelous.  And it does leave you with a good
feeling.  I had a chance to listen to the audition show starring Gale Gordon
as Dr. Hall.  All I can say is, as much as I have enjoyed Gale Gordon's work
in radio and TV, especially the Lucy Show on TV, I am so glad that "Mr. &
Mrs. Ronald Colman" were given the leads for the regular show.  The Colmans
add so much character and believability and downright charisma that I can't
imagine the show being a success with Gale Gordon as the star.

Dave Phaneuf

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:10:40 -0400
From: Jack A French <otrpiano@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Getting copies from public archives

Elizabeth's instructions about the complexities of obtaining audio copies
from LOC, and the large expense involved, reminded me of my similar quest
in 1999 to get copies of an uncirculated RCMP series, "The Quiet Force",
from the National Archives of Canada.

>From the time of initial request to having them in hand took over 18
months, mostly filled with satisfying the documentation necessary to
proceed. It took them one week to respond to a phone call, one month to
respond to e-mail, and about three months to answer a routine letter. And
the [removed] yes, I finally received two 90 minutes cassettes for which
I was charged $ [removed]!   That's right: Two hundred and ten bucks for
two cassettes.

As Elizabeth points out, getting copies from any government archives is
extremely expensive so this method holds no hope for the average collector.
In fact, in view of their prices, shouldn't this be tempting for a certain
big dealer to secretly get the rights to every show held by LOC?

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:10:43 -0400
From: William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Dwight Weist

Howard Blue asked about Dwight Weist. Dwight and I were long time close
friends. He did have a daughter who I knew but have no idea how to locate
her. The last time I saw her was at Dwight's memorial service many years
ago.

Bill Murtough

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:20:16 -0400
From: Jer51473@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Was Capt. Marvel ever on the radio?

 I might have missed the amswer to this question if it was stated. Btw, Capt.
Marvel Jr. became so when he, Freddie, said the words "Captain Marvel"! As a
kid, I enjoyed Captain Marvel much more than Superman in the comic books. I
liked Superman in cartoons, but for some reason never read many of his comics
even though i "traded for them" whenever they were available. Remember
trading comics with friends after finishing with them? Trading time was
almost as exciting as Xmas. Kids today just dont understand or know what they
missed out on.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:45:05 -0400
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Milton Berle & Jolie

I'm currently reading Milton Berle's 1974 autobiography (with Haskel
Frankel). In it he reports his excruciatingly embarrassing encounter with Al
Jolson while Joile was giving one of his famous Sunday night "concerts" in
New York's Winter Garden.

Berle's mother got backstage with her young Milton by knowing the doorman.
She then "persuaded" her son to walk out onto the stage in the midst of
Jolie's act, interrupt him, and offer to do an impersonation of him.

This he did, observing the rage behind Jolson's stage smile.

After Jolie got rid of him, the theatre officials tried to hold Milton and
his Mother for the wrath of Al, but she threatened to scream, and also
boasted of her badge as a department store detective.

Mother and Son then exited rapidly.

Oldtime Radio content: did Berle and Jolson ever appear on radio together, or
at least on the same show?


Bill Knowlton, "BLUEGRASS RAMBLE," WCNY-FM: Syracuse, Utica, Watertown NY
(since Jan. 1973). Sundays, 9 pm est: [removed]

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:29:50 -0400
From: "Harold Zeigler" <hzeigler@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  dwight

	Hi Gang,
    The note on Dwight Weist  having a actress daugther  in a Woody Allen
film about radio was partly right as he and a actress with the same last name
both appeared in the film (was it "radio Days"?) I had the luck to do a video
interview with him at Newark back in 1985 , I believe, and he made mention of
her and saying that people asked if she was his daugther and he said she
wasn't related and the name was spelled different .
      He was a wonderful person to talk with and he was very open on all
subjects.
				Till next time,Harold

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:30:09 -0400
From: Garry Lewis <glewis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  re:  Get em up who?

It is known as Chief Thundercloud, The Four Day Ride and various other titles.

Isn't Chief Thundercloud the name of the actor who played Tonto in the
old Lone Ranger movie serials?

                yours Chief inquirer,

                        Garry D. Lewis
 --
Grain is a three dimensional problem.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:33:49 -0400
From: "John Melson" <Jmelson1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Greatest Story Ever Told

When I was growing up in the late 40's and early 50's, I looked forward to
listening to a radio program entitled The Greatest Story Ever Told.  I have
been able to locate 9 episodes of this radio program.  I am wondering if
there is any place that I can obtain some more episodes of this program.

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:33:51 -0400
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Vallee Recordings & Annette

From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
there were a number of shows from 1933 recorded by the Scully
Recording Studio in Bridgeport, Connecticut . . .
Several of the programs were pressed in flexible red acetate
(true acetate, such as that used briefly by World in the
mid-thirties, as  distinguished from the nitrate coating often
called "acetate" by  collectors.) These had hand-trimmed edges,
and were often warped or dished.

Just like you described uncoated aluminums yesterday on the 78-L, some
World test pressings I have on this material have blank grooving on the
reverse side to avoid dishing.  But this material is too flexible to
retain a flat shape without pressure, and they dish anyway.

The remaining Scully recordings were among the oddest pressings
I've ever handled -- they were a thin layer of celluloid
pressed to a thick and rigid blue-green fibreboard substrate.

I have a mid-30s record of bird recordings on material like this.  The
information about the recordings is printed on the green paper under the
clear celluloid.  We ought to compare markings or matrix numbering
styles.  This is also similar to the Byers Recording Lab 17-inch discs
of "The Witches Tale" and a 16-inch Gennett I have, except that the base
of these is shellac, not fibreboard.

Several of these discs ran over into the opening moments of the
Maxwell House Show Boat, which immediately followed Vallee's show
on Thursday nights,

Pant, Pant, Pant!  With Annette Hanshaw?????  Pant, Pant, Pant!  If
there is ANYTHING of the Maxwell House Showboat with Annette Hanshaw's
voice, there are hundreds of eagerly panting record collectors just
dying to hear these.  (If you think there is a following for Annette
Funicello, that is nothing compared to the following we record
collectors have for Annette Hanshaw!  We are all in love with her voice,
but I'll never forget the day 25 years ago when film collector Dave
Chertok brought the only known copy of the one of the two Maxwell House
Showboat film shorts to a Record Research Associates "Syndicate"
meeting.  It was something to see 50 guys absolutely MELT when Annette
Hanshaw came on the screen.  But she never wanted to go into the movies,
and retired in 1934 to become a housewife.)

Michael (pant, pant, pant) Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:33:52 -0400
From: Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Elvis Marvel Jr.

John Mayer wrote:

Captain Marvel (drawn and maybe written by the great CC Beck [and the
character from whom Elvis Presley derived his trademark ringlet of
hair]).<<

Some more Captain Marvel Jr. clarifications to add to Jim Amash’s
corrections of John Mayer’s post:

Elvis Presley’s ringlet derived not from Captain Marvel but from Captain
Marvel Jr. -- a character drawn by Mac Raboy, Al Carreno and Bud
Thompson in MASTER COMICS, CAPTAIN MARVEL JR. monthly and THE MARVEL
FAMILY.

There’s a much stronger link between Elvis Presley and Captain Marvel
Jr. than the hairstyle. Presley was a huge fan of CAPTAIN MARVEL JR.
comics during the 1940s and even kept his comic book collection
carefully arranged in a newstand spinner rack. Take a look at a photo of
Presley’s airplane, and you’ll see the comic book character’s lightning
flash insignia painted on the tail assembly. Presley also gave friends
and associates gold bracelets with this lightning flash. Some of the
poses he used in his stage act were variations on poses from Mac Raboy
panels, and his Vegas costumes incorporated white/gold and other design
elements of costumes worn by the Marvel Family.

I once mentioned all of this to one of DC Comics’ lawyers, and she came
back with an amusing response: "So are you telling me DC Comics owns
Elvis?"

Bhob @ PRE-FUSE @ [removed]

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Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 14:33:54 -0400
From: Tom van der Voort <evan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Tonto's Horse

      Al can find the episode detailing how Tonto got 'Scout' in the
SPERDVAC archives library. It is titled "Four Day Ride".  As I recall,
Tonto was given the horse by Gray Wolf when he helped to prevent tribal
warfare.
Tom van der Voort

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Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001 10:20:27 -0400
From: "Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Fred and Jack

One more nugget to chew on about the Allen show vs the Benny show - Jack's
was definately more the situation comedy show than Fred's. The commercials
and the musical numbers were more integrated into a story line. I don't
think Dennis Day actually ever sang on the Benny show, but he sure rehearsed
a lot in Jack's living room!

Brj

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