Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #335
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Date: 9/6/2003 10:15 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2003 : Issue 335
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Television                            [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      radio show prices                     [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
      Earlly TV exeriments                  [ "Jack Feldman" <qualitas@millenicom ]
      Today in radio history 9/6            [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      9-7 Births/Deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Gildy & Fibber questions              [ benohmart@[removed] ]
      early TV reference                    [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
      CDR longevity                         [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
      Re: Radio Spirits Declining Sales     [ Twizoner@[removed] ]
      Question                              [ "William Schell" <bschell@[removed] ]
      Andrew's INNER SANCTUM                [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      T-Word First Written Occurence        [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
      Re: Irvin Ashkenazy                   [ Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed]; ]
      Giselle MacKenzie Dead at 76          [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
      Cavalcade of America                  [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 01:17:25 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Television

>     Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:16:25 -0400
>     From: "Matthew Bullis" <matthewbullis@[removed];

>     I didn't know people used the word television before
>     1948 or so. I know that there were movies, but when did they start using
>     television as a word? Can someone please explain? Thanks a lot. Matthew

    Television was around long before 1948.  In fact, the BBC had regular television broadcasts
    in the 1930s and actually televised the coronation parade of King George VI in 1937.  Nazi
    Germany made extensive use of television to spread propaganda, creating public TV viewing
    rooms in various places, to encourage its use until it bacame possible for people to have TV
    in their homes.

    Experimental television broadcasts in this country were made by NBC and DuMont
    Laboratories in the 1930s.  Commercial television was first authorized in the United States in
    1941, the original 13 VHF channels were set up, and the 525-line standard was established.
    Channel 1 was later taken away from television and assigned to some other purpose.

    The war curtailed television broadcasts, so TV began to get going in earnest only after the
    war in the US.

    Hugo Gernsback, publisher of electronic and science fiction magazines, is generally credited
    with coining the word "television."  He also seems to have coined the term "science fiction."

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 01:30:39 -0400
    From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  radio show prices

    I read with interest about Radio Spirits selling less shows.  I would
    never buy from Radio Spirits even before I got any MP3 disks because the
    prices were just too high.  However, I noted with interest that a couple
    of catalogs ago they actually did have MP3 disks on sale, selling some of
    their box sets on maybe one disk or two.  Well, when you bought the MP3
    disk you would probably pay $10 less than the original price as I recall,
    so you didn't really save that much money and the MP3 disks obviously are
    much cheaper to make if you have say 15 CDs versus one MP3 disk.  To
    charge $10 less is ridiculous, why not buy the whole thing on audio CD
    for that price?  The comments are correct, people have less income to put
    into buying radio shows, and as has been mentioned the availability of
    cheaper MP3 shows is bound to hurt Radio Spirits, not to mention the fact
    that if you get a series on MP3 it is usually much easier to get the
    shows in order if they exist at all.  I am sorry to see Radio Spirits
    losing money, but I think if they charged slightly loer prices people
    might buy.  By the way, why do CDs always cost more, when the actual cost
    of the CD blank itself and the packaging has got to be lots cheaper than
    the tapes they are replacing?  I know, everybody does it, but why, if the
    tape costs more to make.  Good luck radio spirits.  i wish you well even
    though I probably won't buy your shows.  Kurt

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 08:53:57 -0400
    From: "Jack Feldman" <qualitas@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Earlly TV exeriments
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    If my senile memory is correct, GE began experimenting with TV in about 1929.
    It was commercially viable by the late 30's, but the war intervened.

    One of the early TV directors was a struggling actor named Yule Brenner (sp?)

    Jack

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 09:18:14 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history 9/6

     From Those Were The Days --

    1920 - The first prizefight broadcast on radio featured Jack Dempsey
    knocking out Billy Miske in the third round of a bout in Benton Harbor,
    MI. Radio station WWJ in Detroit was the station that fight fans were
    tuned to.

    Joe

    --
    Visit my homepage:  [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:01:15 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  9-7 Births/Deaths

    September 7th births

    09-07-1893 - Roscoe Karns - San Bernadino, CA - d. 2-6-1970
    actor: "Hollywood Hotel"
    09-07-1909 - Elia Kazan - Constantinople, Turkey
    film director, actor: "Free Company"; "Philip Morris Playhouse"
    09-07-1923 - Peter Lawford - London, England - d. 12-24-1984
    actor: "Radio Reader"s Digest"; "Suspense"
    09-07-1936 - Buddy Holly - Lubbock, TX - d. 2-2-1959
    singer: "Sunday Party"; "The Buddy and Bob Show"

    September 7th deaths

    06-06-1918 - Maria Montez - Barahona, Dominican Republic - d. 9-7-1951
    actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    09-26-1889 - Frank Crumit - Jackson, OH - d. 9-7-1943
    singer, emcee: "Blackstone Plantation"; "Battle of the Sexes"; "Singing
    Sweethearts"
    10-17-1886 - Spring Byington - Colorado Springs, CO - d. 9-7-1971
    actress: Lily Ruskin "December Bride"
    11-27-1890 - Gladys Rice - Philadelphia, PA - d. 9-7-1983
    singer: "Roxy"s Gang"; "Lucky Strike Dance Orchestra"; "Voice of Firestone"
    12-10-1920 - Dennis Morgan - Prentice, WI - d. 9-7-1994
    actor, singer: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "[removed] Steel Hour"; "Screen Guild Theatre"

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    Hometown of [removed] Kaltenborn and Jay Jostyn

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:01:32 -0400
    From: benohmart@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Gildy & Fibber questions

    I've noticed a few people on here asking questions about Fibber and Gildy. If anyone's
    Really stuck, I'll give you the address of the resident expert, Charles Stumpf.

    Ben

    The Walter Tetley book
    [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:01:42 -0400
    From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  early TV reference

    I recall seeing once in a 1940 or 1941 comic book a scene which takes place
    in an early experimental TV station. I was a little surprised to see such a
    reference, but there it was before my very eyes.

    Joe Salerno

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:01:54 -0400
    From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  CDR longevity

    Dr. Biel remarked on the effect of markers on CDRs. I hope that the water
    based markers, which we are told by their manufacturers are safe for their
    intended application, are truly that.

    Joe Salerno

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:02:27 -0400
    From: Twizoner@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Radio Spirits Declining Sales

    Cancilla Dominick writes

>     "I don't know about the rest of you, but I for
>     one have almost completely stopped buying tapes from Radio Spirits since
>     their
>     30-hour sets became 20-hour sets without any decrease in price (at least not
>     that I could see).
>     The cost just got too steep for me. I wonder how many are in the same boat --
>     I went from buying every 20-tape set Radio Spirits put out to buying none."

    I also use to buy Radio Spirits collections but have not in the past few of
    years because of both the higher prices and the steep fixed shipping &
    handling
    charge.  I really like the 18 episode collections but find the $[removed] S&H fee
    too high.  I am tempted to buy these sets when they are half-price but the S&H
    costs remains a turn-off.

    Perhaps Radio Spirits will follow Universal's move this week and reduce their
    pricing to help increase sales.

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:02:45 -0400
    From: "William Schell" <bschell@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Question

    Hi folks,
    I hate to show my ignorance but can anyone explain the difference between
    transcription and recording?   I hear OTR shows as being transcribed.  Why
    not pre-recorded? Was the transcription like a record?

    Thanks in advance.
    Bill Schell
    Magalia, Ca

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:05:11 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Andrew's INNER SANCTUM

    I can answer Andrew Steinberg's question:
    Are these titles Inner Sanctum broadcasts? What are the real titles and air
    dates?

    Fast Freight

    Weight Machine

    The second one is very easy.  Weight Machine is really "Murder Off the
    Record."  That script was braodcast twice on INNER SANCTUM, but most likely
    the recording you have is the 1952 version, not the 1949 version.

    Episode #417  "MURDER OFF THE RECORD"  Broadcast April 11, 1949
    Starring: Elspeth Eric and Mason Adams
    Story: Happy, a panhandler and bum, wanders into Reno, hoping to change his
    luck for the better. Instead, he finds the prediction from a weighing
    machine coming true! He is nearly killed twice, comes into a large fortune
    and marries a pretty dame. But when the pieces come together, the solution
    to the puzzle brings about the death of those involved

    EPISODE #526  "MURDER OFF THE RECORD"  Broadcast August 3, 1952
    Starring: Ken Lynch, Lawson Zerbe, Lesley Woods, Santos Ortega
    Story: Same as Episode #417, broadcast on April 11, 1949.

    The first one you asked about, "Fast Freight," is probably "Death Pays the
    Freight."  That script was also broadcast twice on INNER SANCTUM and again
    most likely the recording you have is the 1952 version.

    Episode #300  "DEATH PAYS THE FREIGHT"  Broadcast January 6, 1947
    Starring: Larry Haines
    Story: A bum named Joe hitches a ride in a boxcar and ends up killing
    another hitchhiker in self-defense. Realizing his only way out of his
    predicament is to switch identities with the dead man, Joe pays a visit to
    the stranger's hometown - and an old friend offers him a job. After Joe
    learns about his new job, he realizes he would probably have been better
    off, if he'd been found in the boxcar with the corpse!

    EPISODE #522  "DEATH PAYS THE FREIGHT"  Broadcast on July 6, 1952
    Starring: Everett Sloane, Leon Janney and Ralph Bell
    Story: Same as Episode #300, broadcast on January 6, 1947.

    I could be wrong, but from the titles you listed (and only the titles) this
    is what I came up with. If the plot descriptions match the plot in the
    recordings, you're good to go.
    Information reprinted from the book INNER SANCTUM MYSTERIES: BEHIND THE
    CREAKING DOOR.
    Martin Grams, Jr.

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:06:11 -0400
    From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  T-Word First Written Occurence

    Matthew Bullis questions Jack Benny's use of the word
    Television thusly:

>     ..... Jack said "After all, this isn't television."
>     when he was talking about Phil showing
>     off in the beginning of a 1937 program. I didn't
>     know people used the word television before 1948 or
>     so. I know that there were movies, but when did they
>     start using television as a word? Can someone please
>     explain?
>     Thanks a lot.
>     Matthew

    Matthew, in most good dictionaries there are usually
    dates included in the definitions of words therein.
    In my Random House Webster's Colliege voumne that date
    is (1905-1910) It may vary a little given the opinions
    of the lexicographers involved in compiling the
    dictionary.

    CAB

    --
    conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
    Encino, CA
    Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:06:53 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Irvin Ashkenazy

    At 01:17 AM 9/6/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>     Can anyone provide any information on radio writer Irving Ashkanazy?

>     He wrote at least one episode of The Lives of Harry Lime.

    I believe his name was IRVIN not IRVING and also he was credited as IRWIN -
    at least it was on the episodes of NIGHTBEAT that he wrote in the 1950 season.

    Also the Internet Movie Database will mention that he was an actor as well
    as screenwriter - appearing on a Perry Mason episode, Sky King and Davy
    Crockett.

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:07:28 -0400
    From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Giselle MacKenzie Dead at 76

    Jack Benny's favorite violin duet partner Giselle MacKenzie has died.  It is
    a shame Ms. MacKenzie never agreed to attend Friends of Old Time Radio in
    Newark but I'm feeling luckier than ever that I made it to "39 Forever" last
    February to see her speak about performing with Jack as well as her broader
    carreer.

    I understand she did appear on the radio program as well, although I confess
    I can't remember such an instance.  When Jack Benny died, the CBS special
    about his death closed with their "Getting to Know You" duet - a true
    testament to how much a part she was of the Benny legend, even if she wasn't
    a major player on the radio program.  The program is available at the Museum
    of TV and Radio in New York and is a must-see for Benny fans.

    In the A&E biography of Jack Benny she spoke on the allegation that she had
    been Jack's mistress.  Her answer was that she had promised Jack she would
    never say she had or hadn't, and that was that -- a study in class compared
    to the lurid tell-alls you can expect from anyone who has a brush with
    stardom these days.

    An initial report from [removed] follows.

    Sean Dougherty
    SeanDD@[removed]

    [removed]

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    Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2003 23:34:01 -0400
    From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cavalcade of America

    Jim Cox recently posted a message about the latest issue of Chuck
    Schaden's Nostalgia Digest which features Jim's fine article about Robert
    Q. Lewis.  FYI, the same issue has my article (adapted from WORDS AT WAR)
    about the wartime broadcasts of the Cavalcade of America.

    I'll repeat JIm's instructions for subscribing to the Nostalgia Digest.
    It's a well done publication:
    Contact:
     The Hall Closet, Box 421, Morton Grove, IL 60053 or call (847) 965-7763
    (subscriptions are $15 for 4 issues).
    Email:  twtdchuck@[removed].

    Howard Blue

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