Subject: [removed] Digest V2006 #348
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Date: 12/11/2006 1:48 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2006 : Issue 348
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      House in Cypress Canyon               [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      New Officers Elected                  [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
      RE: Attacking the Messenger           [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      12-11 births/deaths                   [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      The Return of BLACKHAWK!              [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      That ain't the way I heered it, Sonn  [ Wich2@[removed] ]
      RE: Jack French's comments about 're  [ Joemartelle@[removed] ]
      OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK               [ "Jerry Haendiges" <jerryhaendiges@c ]
      Blackhawk and Proquest                [ "Robert Birchard" <bbirchard@earthl ]
      Bob Hope and 'Miriam'                 [ Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:33:33 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  House in Cypress Canyon

    Don Ramlow just e-mailed and reminded me what that series was that redid the
    House in Cypress Canyon drama.  It was an episode of THE CLOCK.

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    Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:34:09 -0500
    From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  New Officers Elected

    The following officers were just elected at the December meeting of the
    Metropolitan Washington OTR Club, in the shadow of the Nation's Capitol:

    President:  Michael Hayde.
    Michael is known to many Digesters who have enjoyed his presentations
    at FOTR Convention in Newark, NJ and the Mid-Atlantic Nostalgia
    Convention in Aberdeen, MD. A dedicated researcher and scholar, he is
    an expert on Superman, Grand Ol' Opry, and Dragnet, among others.  His
    highly acclaimed book, "My Name's Friday," is the best history of radio
    and TV's "Dragnet" as well as the films of Jack Webb. Michael is now
    working on a book on the radio career of Martin & Lewis.

    Vice President:  Maury Cagle
    Maury's career includes years of experience with the Armed Forces Radio
    Service (AFRS) in Germany plus a decade as a radio producer for the
    [removed] Census Bureau. His OTR connection goes back many years to WW II
    when his father was transferred to Fort Monmouth, NJ when Maury was 10
    years old. His family moved into rental property, a coach house on the
    estate of Tom Howard near Rumson, NJ. Having daily contact with the
    leader of "It Pays to Be Ignorant" was a unique experience for the lad.

    Treasurer:  Lennell Herbert-Marshall
    Lennell is a familiar face at FOTR Newark where she learned high
    finance buying scads of materials in the dealers' rooms. Her collection
    of "Amos and Andy" is second only to Elizabeth McLeod. In the past,
    Lennell served as our club president for a decade, which made her the
    first African-American woman to head up an OTR club in the [removed] A
    retired security officer from a communications company, she and her
    husband now take regular trips to dozens of nostalgia conventions
    throughout North America.

    For more information on our club, check out our web site at
    <[removed]>

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL

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    Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 20:32:47 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RE: Attacking the Messenger

    Jack French pointed out the doubting thomases who posted a skeptical posting
    regarding someone's information.  This, sadly, happens quite a lot in this
    and any other hobby.  I have often found that only one posting to answer a
    question in detail is sufficient.  If someone has evidence or paperwork in
    hand to contradict a statement, then that sheds new light on the subject at
    hand.  Posting a reply to a question is honorable for the poster, because of
    the time they take out of their busy schedule for what is obviously a
    non-profit assistance.

    I have met a few people at conventions who are experts at their specific
    fields, and have told me that they hesitate posting on the Digest, even
    offering assistance to the poster because of doubting thomases.  A few have
    told me that they e-mail only to the poster because they don't feel like
    getting contradicted publicly.  This is sad, but it happens often now.

    I too receive a number of queries for assistance, most of them just
    information related to old radio shows, but my schedule gets busy on and off
    again and during my busy moments, I am unable to answer them.  I too get
    irked when someone asks for information, I e-mail or fax it to them, and
    then get an e-mail telling me I am incorrect, but without anything to tell
    me I am wrong (even when the information I send them came from someone
    else's reference book or web-site).

    Years ago at the Cincinnati OTR convention, one of the attendees at the con
    struck me as odd.  He had apparently purchased one of my books and brazenly,
    in front of me, told me that his opinion of my book was crummy.  His opinion
    (like anyone else's can be accepted or not) but his personality was
    arrogant.  The old saying "arrogant people don't know they are" is proven
    time and time again.  If I stood in front of an author and purchased a book
    of theirs and we got into a discussion, even if I felt their book was
    crummy, I wouldn't be ignorant and tell them so in front of them.  I'd tell
    them it was good and leave it at that.  It's like telling my wife when she
    has something done to her hair that I prefer the old hair style.  I lie and
    keep her happy.

    On the Digest, there will always be doubters, and those who prefer to
    contradict just for the sake of contraditing but I doubt they are doing it
    on purpose to harm someone else's reputation in public.  People do make
    mistakes (that's why there are erasers on pencils) but frankly, some people
    post negative postings just because they don't want to accept the facts that
    are posted.  "Assumptions" are the root of all bad feelings and cause of
    rumors.

    If someone on the Digest gives a brief history about a radio program such as
    BLACKHAWK and claims they even heard episodes on audio cassettes in their
    collection, then I would take them for their word and I certainly would NOT
    post something suggesting it was a "rumor" and contradict her just because I
    have never ever heard an episode.  Doubting thomases will be out there - but
    a reminder that there is a difference between "assumptions" and "facts" help
    prevent such confusing postings in the future.  Documented facts are more
    reliable than faded memories.

    Good job, Irene.

    Martin

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    Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:41:18 -0500
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  12-11 births/deaths
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    December 11th births

    12-11-1882 - Fiorello La Guardia - NYC - d. 9-20-1947
    NYC mayor: "Douglas Corrigan Parade"; "This Is New York"; "Reads the
    Funnies"
    12-11-1883 - Victor McLaglen - Tunbridge Wells, England - d. 11-7-1959
    actor: Captain Flagg "Captain Flagg and Sergeant Quirt"; Mountie Eric
    Lewis "Red Trails"
    12-11-1894 - Eddie Dowling - Woonsocket, RI - d. 2-18-1976
    host: "We, the People"; "Ziegfeld Follies of the Air"
    12-11-1905 - Pare Lorentz - Clarksburg, WV - d. 3-4-1992
    writer: "Columbia Workshop"
    12-11-1910 - Samuel Kurtzman - d. 1-14-1998
    writer: "The Bob Hope Show"
    12-11-1911 - Beecher Pete Kirby - Sevierville, TN - d. 10-17-2002
    dobro, guitar, banjo player: (Member Smokey Mountain Boys) "Grand Ole
    Opry"
    12-11-1911 - Sam Levenson - NYC - d. 8-27-1980
    humorist: "Arthur Godfrey Show"; "City Club Forum"
    12-11-1914 - Marie Windsor - Marysville, UT - d. 12-10-2000
    actor: "Escape"; "Suspense"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    12-11-1920 - Eddie Firestone, Jr. - San Francisco, CA
    actor: Joey Brewster "That Brewster Boy"; William Herbert Murray "One
    Man's Family"
    12-11-1922 - Robert Arden - London, England - d. 3-25-2004
    actor: "America Looks Abroad"

    December 11th deaths

    01-05-1938 - Lindsay Crosby - California - d. 12-11-1989
    actor: "Bing Crosby Show"
    01-15-1914 - Carlos Ramirez - Tocaim, Colombia - d. 12-11-1986
    vocalist: "Grapevine Rancho"
    01-31-1909 - Walter Coy - Great Falls, MT - d. 12-11-1974
    actor: Michael Lanyard/Lone Wolf "Lone Wolf"
    02-20-1906 - Richard Himber - Newark, NJ - d. 12-11-1966
    bandleader: "Studebaker Champions"; "Your Hit Parade"
    04-14-1914 - Arnold Perl - d. 12-11-1971
    writer: "The Big Story"; "I Fly Anything"; "The Amazing Mr. Tutt"
    04-25-1921 - Robert Q. Lewis - NYC - d. 12-11-1991
    disc jockey, comedian, host: "Arthur Godrey Time"; "Robert Q. Lewis
    Show"
    05-28-1898 - Andy Kirk - Newport, KY - d. 12-11-1992
    bandleader: (Clouds of Joy) "Andy Kirk and His Orchestra"
    05-28-1912 - Dave Barbour - Flushing, NY - d. 12-11-1965
    orchestra leader, composer, actor: "Electric Hour"; "Chesterfield
    Supper Club"
    06-25-1911 - Reed Hadley - Petrolia, TX - d. 12-11-1974
    actor: Red Ryder "Red Ryder"; Chad Remington "Frontier Town"
    07-07-1911 - Lou Maury - Butte, MT - d. 12-11-1975
    pianist: "What's the Name of That Song?"
    07-16-1888 - Percy Kilbride - San Francisco, CA - d. 12-11-1964
    actor,host: "Paul Whiteman Presents"; "Melody Round-Up"; "Stars in
    the Air"
    08-08-1900 - James Pierce - Freedom, IN - d. 12-11-1983
    actor: Tarzan "Tarzan"
    09-03-1893 - Anthony Collins - Hastings, England - d. 12-11-1963
    composer: "Ceiling Unlimited"
    09-11-1909 - Anne Seymour - NYC - d. 12-11-1988
    actor: "Mary Marlin "Story of Mary Marlin"; Francie Nolan "Tree Grows
    in Brooklyn"
    09-16-1908 - Neil Reagan - Tampico, IL - d. 12-11-1996
    director,announcer: (Brother of Ron) "Dr. Christian"; "Straight Arrow"
    09-19-1910 - Arthur Mullard - London, England - d. 12-11-1995
    actor: Jack (Dad Porter) "Industrial Inaction"; "Brothers In Law"
    10-09-1915 - Lee Wiley - d. 12-11-1975
    singer: "Lee Wiley"; "Eddie Condon's Jazz Concerts"; "It's Florida's
    Treat"
    11-02-1909 - Fred Lowery - Palestine, TX - d. 12-11-1984
    whistler: (The Blind Whistler) "New Fred Lowrey Show"; "Horace Heidt
    Show"

    Ron Sayles

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    Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:41:36 -0500
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Return of BLACKHAWK!

    Dear Folks-

    ...As an  addenda:

    Should mention that I received a note off-list from Jim Widner,  that
    contained copies of actual newpaper listings for the radio  [removed]

    As well as one from Jim Harmon that mentioned his friendship with  Kirk Alyn;
    the thought occurred that the radio show might have been tied in with  the
    film serial of Kirk's?

    Merriest,
    -Craig

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    Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2006 23:49:09 -0500
    From: Wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  That ain't the way I heered it, [removed]
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    Dear Jack (& gang-)

    From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];

>     I've  been noticing an uncomfortable trend in Digest postings in which
>     an ernest  question is asked, a factual answer is provided by a second
>     Digester, and  then a third Digester pooh-poohs the entire answer.

    In such a case, I agree - completely. Cyber-com is far from perfect; but I
    always try to be as gracious to others as I expect them to be to  me.

>     a Doubting Thomas
>     scoffed at her  response ... and retorted: "I've heard the legend before,
>     but have seen NO  proof: ads, pics, - and dare I ask? - TRANSCRIPTIONS?"

    The name is "Craig," not Thomas; feel free to attack me directly. The
    statement you qoute was a plain statement of fact, cotaining no  malice.

>     ...one would hope on this Digest at least, a reliable  researcher would
>     be treated more fairly.

    Exactly how is a statement of the Facts As They  Stand unfair?

>     Jim Harmon, an esteemed OTR historian and  author,
>     pointed out that not only had he heard the series as a kid, but  also
>     gave us more specifics on the nature of the programs.

    I consider Jim a friend, and his response was PRECISELY the kind that
    advanced the topic down the court!

>     Art Chimes then cited Harrison Summers' exhaustive history of  network
>     radio, confirming Irene's initial facts.

    I recieved a kind not from Art off-list to that effect, which I much
    appreciated.

>     As an ace OTR researcher, Irene Heinstein certainly  needs no defense
>     from me, nor even from Jim Harmon or Art Chimes.

    There's no defense needed, when no attack was made?
    Her latest post, like Jim's was a helpful "keeper." (Thanks, Irene.)

>     Our Digest, unfortunately, is not the only place where this  stuffiness
>     from the Unconvinced occurs.

    I try to write clearly, which may seem formal (?) at times.
    But I hope no one I've "spoken" with on this wonderful list or off, or  in
    person, as at FOTR, would find me "stuffy."

>     But instead of a "thank you", I usually
>     get an arrogant response from the requester, along the lines of "Oh yeah?
>     Well, that ain't the way I remember it."

    I condemn such behavior, too.
    And most generally see it among "Old Heads" in the field, who locked their
    facts in amber years ago.

    Irene, Jim, Art, Jack, et al: I meant no offense; as Abe Lincoln used to  say,
    "I never knowingly plant a thorn in another man's bosom."

    May this holiday season be a time of Light to all,
    -Craig Wichman

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    Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:41:31 -0500
    From: Joemartelle@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RE: Jack French's comments about 'researchers
     and Radio's   Blackhawk'
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    For the past couple of years, I have enjoyed reading, on almost a daily
    basis, the comments of contributors to the 'Digest.' Two of my favorite
    writers
    are Jack French and Jim Harmon. I enjoy 'their words,' because, most likely,
    I
    can identify and agree with many of their comments; although, I think they're
     both older than me.  Okay, Jack, you're younger, but Jim's older than both
    of us. teasing

    I couldn't agree MORE with Jack's comments, regarding the radio series,
    'Blackhawk' and the super effort put forth by credible researchers. For my
    money
    Jack is right on target. Sadly, many folks, ask a question of a  legitimate
    source and upon hearing 'the reply,' doubt it and so often question  the
    validity of the comment, let alone the source. HELLO.  WHY ASK?
    When I read the line from 'the doubting Thomas,' [removed]"the validity
    of a Blackhawk radio series," I immediately [removed], just like Jim
    Harmon,  I listened to that show, too. I liked the program and ALWAYS
    wondered why
    it  suddenly left radio. Hey, there's an assignment for a radio private
    eyelash
    or  two.
    I could tell, from Jack's comments, he was seething and upset, which is not
    his usual style. Being involved presently, in research for my own book on
    radio,  I know how much time, sweat and effort goes into 'chasing down the
    simplest  facts for the sake of accuracy.

    So, I for one, Mister Jack, applaud your [removed] don't let the
    'doubting Thomas' ruin your [removed] both you and Jim, keep up the
    excellent
    work, and thanks for ALL your hard work that goes into the accuracy of  your
    research and writing.

    Let's hope,  the true spirit of the Christmas season, lives within our
    hearts, all year long.
    Merry Christmas to all, and let's all try and remember those two important
    words of wisdom, spoken by our [removed]"please and thank you."

    your pal, Joe Martelle
    Mesa, Colorado

    PS

    Thanks to you, Charlie, for ALL your time and effort, in keeping this  digest
    rolling everyday.
    Happiest of Holidays

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    Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:41:39 -0500
    From: "Jerry Haendiges" <jerryhaendiges@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK

    Hi Friends,
    NOTE: Because of the many requests we've received, we are now making "Same
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    CBS RIO GRANDE OIL COMPANY
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    Episode 63    3-21-51    "Pettigrew's Prize Pig"
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    Barney Phillips, Tyler McVey, Forrest Lewis, Clayton Post, Jack Moyles
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    CBS SUSTAINING Saturdays 10:30 - 11:00 am
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    ==================================

    HERITAGE RADIO THEATER

    THE GREEN HORNET
    ABC    10/13/46   "The Wrapped Book"

    THE ALDRICH FAMILY
    NBC 12/23/48   "Christmas Presents" "br" Holiday misunderstandings.

    FRONT PAGE DRAMA
    Synd/Hearst    Christmas, 1933   "The Christmas Eve Ghost"
    Early radio drama

    ====================================

    THE GLOWING DIAL

    Featuring: Alfred Hitchcock

    Forecast presents an audition for a proposed new series ...
    Suspense - "The Lodger"
    originally aired July 22, 1940 on CBS
    Starring: Herbert Marshall, Edmund Gwenn.
    Directed by Alfred Hitchcock
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    Starring: Clifton Fadiman, Oscar Levant, John Kieran, Alfred Hitchcock.
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    originally aired November 18, 1948 on NBC
    Starring: Loretta Young, John Lund, Verne Smith announcing.
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    Screen Director's Playhouse - "Spellbound"
    originally aired January 25, 1951 on NBC
    Starring: Joseph Cotton, Mercedes McCambridge, Herbert Butterfield, Bill
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    ==================================

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         Jerry@[removed]  562-696-4387
         The Vintage Radio Place   [removed]
         Largest source of Old Time Radio Logs, Articles and programs on the Net

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    Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:42:42 -0500
    From: "Robert Birchard" <bbirchard@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Blackhawk and Proquest
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    Irene Heinstein wrote:

>     I dug in on this program and finally found some listings for "Blackhawk"
>     (listed as one word in the NY Times radio schedules). The ProQuest
>     Historical Papers database search failed in my search for "blackhawk" and
>     "black hawk" for the period in which the program was possibly on the air. I
>     searched both 1951 and 1952 and came up with nothing so I searched the "on
>     the radio" listings for that period (title of the NY Times radio listings)
>     and had to go through the listings day by day to find "Blackhawk". I
>     mention this because other researchers should know about the problem. I've
>     become suspicious that the search engine has changed in some way, but can't
>     figure out how that could happen. Since "Blackhawk" was clearly in the
>     listings a search should have brought up at least one or more links to the
>     program listing in "on the radio".

        The way these searchable newspapers work is the reason, perhaps, that
    "Blackhawk did not turn up in a search.

        Basically, the newspaper microfilm is scanned and then turned into
    editable text via OCR (optical character recognition).  The OCR files are
    linked to the picture of the page from the microfilm.  The OCR files are
    cleaned up a bit to hit most of the things people will search for--proper
    names, headlines, etc.  but they don't correct every word.  This is why when
    you do a search and you see an abstract there are often jumbled and
    nonsensical icons instead of clear readable text surrounding your search
    words.  It is often necessary to be persistent and creative, as Irene was, in
    ferreting out information when searching historic newspapers in line.

        Proquest's clean up of the OCR files is especially "lazy," and I have
    done multiple keyword searches for articles I know exist in Proquest covered
    papers (trying to find the date of an article that I have in hand for
    example, and searching on key names or headline words) and have only been
    able to find them with creative searching.

    Robert S. Birchard

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    Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 12:43:08 -0500
    From: Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bob Hope and 'Miriam'

    Joe Mackey, in #346, referring to an OTR recording,
    tells what picture he has in his mind of what occurred
    on the stage when the studio audience laughed loudly
    while a non-humorous commercial jingle ("Poor Miriam,
    Poor Miriam, ...") was being sung by a group on a
    Pepsodent/Bob Hope broadcast.

    The picture in my mind is:  the group singing while
    standing around a microphone while Bob Hope, instead
    of  waiting politely for the jingle to end,
    spontaneously clowns (makes funny faces, points to his
    teeth, etc.)

    -- Phil C.

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