Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #388
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 10/4/2002 8:46 AM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 388
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Friend is looking for information     [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Re: A Tale of Two Jimmys              [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      When Radio Was refunds                [ EdHowell@[removed] ]
      DJs killed network radio??            [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      Paul Harvey                           [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      WOW Recreation                        [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
      Re: Radio Spirits                     [ Ga6string@[removed] ]
      OTR related cartoons 10/5-10/11       [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]
      Just Call Me Cisco                    [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
      stupid question time                  [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
      Salvaging reel [removed]               [ "Robert J. McKee" <mckee137@mindspr ]
      the REAL end of OTR                   [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
      Jimmys Olson                          [ wich2@[removed] ]
      Superman error                        [ AandG4jc@[removed] ]
      Re: DVD Recorders                     [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
      Re: Tapes that squeal                 [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
      Re: Christian dramas                  [ "Matthew Bullis" <MatthewBullis@run ]
      My Friend Irma                        [ Riesse3@[removed] ]
      Radio Spirits                         [ "Evan Torch" <etorch@[removed] ]
      Re: Too much advertising              [ "Clyde J. Kell" <cjkell@[removed] ]
      Any info on this Edgar Bergen record  [ "Matthew Bullis" <MatthewBullis@run ]
      My use of the word common             [ "Matthew Bullis" <MatthewBullis@run ]
      Jack Benny Joke                       [ lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed]; ]
      Jimmy Olson                           [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      "Subject: Too much advertising".      [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:40:29 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Friend is looking for information

    I have a friend, Steve, who might or might not be on the digest so I'll do
    this for [removed] he's looking for any newspapers that listed plot or guest
    descriptions for the evening's radio programs next to radio guides in
    periodicals.  I told him not to use the newspapers as that only lists what
    was "planned" to be aired, not necessary what did air, and he has
    acknowledged that, but whatever he's looking up is already documented so no
    harm.
    Basically, does any experts know of any newspapers that listed highlights of
    the evening, next to their radio schedules, for the years 1946 - 1951 or
    even partial?  He already has Orlando Reporter (I believe that's what it's
    called) and he says they don't list highlights of the show or shows he's
    interested in.
    Drop me a line, I'll give you his e-mail and phone number and you can help
    him out.
    Many thanks,
    Martin

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:56:30 -0400
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: A Tale of Two Jimmys

    In a message dated 10/3/02 4:57:12 PM, my fellow FOTR committee member Sean
    Dougherty writes:

>     In observation, the cable station TV Land will be re-running episodes four
>     episodes of "Superman" tomorrow night* beginning at 9:00 [removed] that should
>     include recently departed radio actor Jackie Kelk as Jimmy Olsen.

    ***Thanks for the heads up on the SUPERMAN broadcasts, but the TV series
    co-starred Jack Larson as Jimmy Olsen, not Jackie Kelk (who was reprising his
    role as Homer on THE ALDRICH FAMILY TV series.  Thankfully, Larson (one of
    the producers of THE PAPER CHASE) is still with us, as is at least one of the
    radio Jimmy Olsens. Jack Grimes (who also followed Kelk as Homer on both THE
    ALDRICH FAMILY radio and TV series). --Anthony Tollin***

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:56:51 -0400
    From: EdHowell@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  When Radio Was refunds

    I buy everything, and I mean everything, with my AOL VISA card and those few
    times I have failed to get what I had ordered, I disputed the charges and got
    my money back. Those who have been disappointed with their dealings should
    dispute the charge(s) if a credit card was used to make the purchase.
    Incidentally, my VISA card use pays for my AOL service because I get a point
    every time I spend a dollar.

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:57:48 -0400
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  DJs killed network radio??

    Jim Cox, almost as an aside in a note about excessive commercial breaks,
    sez:

>     I never realized when a station's disk jockeys were killing off
>     network [removed]

    Wait a minute now, Jim!  Don't you agree that network radio was killed
    off by TV?  When all the stars abandoned radio for television, the
    stations scrambled to fill their airtime the least expensive way--with
    disc jockeys.  No longer could even the largest stations afford live
    studio orchestras, but paying one guy to play a stack of records didn't
    exactly break the bank.

    If television never came along, I think our radio dial would still be
    filled with sitcoms, mystery, drama, quiz shows, and soap operas.  Not
    disc jockeys!

    ---Dan

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:05:35 -0400
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Paul Harvey

    Dennis Crow sez,

>     The only word in the English language without a vowel
>     is psst.  When used correctly,  psst is an interjection.  Until Paul
>     Harvey reported his story,  I had never thought of psst as a word.

    But "psst" is not the only English word without a vowel.  As many of us
    know, Paul Harvey seldom lets the truth get in the way of a good story.

    ---Dan

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:06:03 -0400
    From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WOW Recreation

    From: Davidinmemphis@[removed] (David)

>     . . . talk show host Glenn Beck is planning a live recreation of the
>     H. G.  Wells War of the World on Wednesday night October 30th from
>     8:00-9:00 [removed]  Eastern Time.  He is recruiting volunteer actors and
>     Foley artists for the broadcast.       David Chamberlain

    Oh, so I suppose he is planning on putting a new soundtrack to an
    existing movie of the program?  If not, he would have no need for Foley
    Artists.  I thought we had thoroughly explained to everyone long ago
    that Foley is a specific branch of sound effects where new effects are
    synchronized to existing moving images.  It has absolutely no other
    meaning.  Since there is no recorded images in radio drama, the sound
    effects are supplied by Sound Effects Artists who are not forced to rely
    on the filmed actions of actors but instead are free to create their own
    images thru their sounds.  You will notice that on some movies there are
    credits to both Foley and Sound Effects Artists.  The Foleys sync to the
    images, while the Sound Effects create the general Sound Pattern.

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:06:20 -0400
    From: Ga6string@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Radio Spirits

    Regarding the recent discussion of RS [removed] They botched mine so badly
    (from the "blowout" summer clearance sale) and were so indifferent on the
    phone that I've decided to take a sabbatical -- a year, or two, perhaps --
    from placing any RS orders. I've spent, easily, a couple thousand dollars on
    their products, which should count for something, but apparently does not. In
    the past, if I had a problem with an order, I could call and get it SOLVED
    right away on the phone, and be treated graciously, but that is no longer the
    case, IMHO.
    Bryan Powell

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:30:19 -0400
    From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR related cartoons 10/5-10/11

    All shows air on Cartoon Network.  All times are Eastern.

    10/5:

    The Tex Avery Show 8:00am
    Egghead Rides Again (Joe Penner) One Ham's Family (Mean Widdle Kid)  This
    one is *ace*!

    10/7

    Acme Hour 4:00am
    Hollywood Canine Canteen (many various actors from radio and film.)

    rodney.

    Past Tense Productions
    Carrying Old Radio related films, and Hal Roach shorts, for $7 per tape.

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 19:43:21 -0400
    From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Just Call Me Cisco

    Joy Jackson writes:

>     Surely the Cisco Kid had a real name. When he introduced himself to
>     senoritas, did say he was The Cisco Kid? Or is he really Francisco de la
>     vega [removed] And how did he get the name to begin with?

    Well, he got the name from his creator, O. Henry (real name William
    Sydney Porter, 1862-1910), an ex-con and prolific short story writer. In
    1904 he wrote "The Caballero's Way" for McClure's magazine which is the
    debut of the Cisco Kid. Except he's no hero, no kid (he's 25), and not
    Latino. He's a Yanqui, and brags of killing dozens, mostly Mexicans,
    because he likes "to see them kick." His speckled roan horse is unnamed
    and his girl friend is Tonia Perez. He is a cruel lone-wolf who is
    tracked by Captain Duval of Laredo, TX. (I won't spoil it by giving away
    the ending.)

    Twenty five years later, The Cisco Kid came to the movies, and the only
    resemblance was the name. In the films, he is a Mexican do-gooder,
    riding his horse, Diablo, and his new side-kick, Pancho, rides a mount
    named Loco. Warner Baxter got to play him first and actually won an
    Oscar for Best Actor in the role. He did three more Cisco Kid movies,
    and then Cesar Romero took over, making about ten movies. Gilbert Roland
    did about a half dozen movies after Romero, followed by Duncan Renaldo.

    And, as you probably know, Cisco Kid came to radio in 1943, first the
    voice of Jackson Beck, and later, Jack Mather. There were 41 issues of
    the comic book (1950 to 58) featuring this Mexican hero and he was also
    in his own comic strip from 1951 to 1968. It was also successful on
    television (ZIV syndication 1950-58).

    And for the life of me, I can't remember him in any of these various
    media referring to himself as anything other than the Cisco Kid.

    Jack French
    Editor:  RADIO RECALL

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:43:54 -0400
    From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  stupid question time

    May I ask what to some might be a stupid question? What is the origin of
    the term "foley" as used in "Foley Sound Effects" etc.

    Thanks,
    Eric Cooper

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:44:01 -0400
    From: "Robert  J.  McKee" <mckee137@[removed];
    To: "Old Radio List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Salvaging reel [removed]

    George
    Here is the URL for a site giving instruction for baking
    tapes and a little background on why these things happen.
    Ampex tapes have the most problems of any.  Have a look
    at [removed]
    and good luck with your tapes.

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 21:44:09 -0400
    From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  the REAL end of OTR

    Actually (and I know digest member Lee Munsick would heartily agree) the
    REAL ending date for what we now call Old Time Radio was April 30, 1972.
    Eric Cooper

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:40:08 -0400
    From: wich2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jimmys Olson

>     From: Kubelski@[removed]

>       In observation, the cable station TV Land will be re-running four
>     episodes of "Superman" tomorrow night* beginning at 9:00 [removed] that should
>     include recently departed radio actor Jackie Kelk as Jimmy Olsen.

    Dear Sean (& co.)-
    (Unless I misunderstand, & TVL is running audio shows - which would be neat!).
    Boy Howdy! The (still very much alive, last time I heard) video "Jimmy", Jack
    Larson, would take great umbrage at this. No disrepect to Jackie, God rest
    his soul, as I believe his work was a big inspiration to the TV AND comics
    (correct, Anthony Tollin?)
    characters.
    Best to all,
    Craig

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:40:36 -0400
    From: AandG4jc@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Superman error

    Sean Dougherty stated that:

>       In observation, the cable station TV Land will be re-running four
>     episodes of "Superman" tomorrow night* beginning at 9:00 [removed] that should
>     include recently departed radio actor Jackie Kelk as Jimmy Olsen.

    Jimmy Olsen was played by Jack Larson in all of the seasons of "The
    Adventures of  Superman". Mr. Larson is alive and well. So is Noel Neil (Lois
    Lane).
    Allen

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:41:10 -0400
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: DVD Recorders

    Maybe I shouldn't bring this up. (Then why am I) Anyway, you can now buy
    any one of several DVD units that will record. About six months ago it
    would have cost you $1,000. Today, between $550 and $700. By December, it
    will probably even cost less.

    DVD will eventually replace video tape. I'm not going to go into a long
    discussion about how this will happen and about all the current VCR units
    still in the field.

    But, the DVD recorders have some neat features. The Panasonic allow you to
    record a program and then while you are recording it, you can start playing
    it back at any point while still continuing to record.

    Image that you have gone out for an evening. You set the recorder to record
    from 8 to 11. You get back at 10:30. You don't want to stop recording, but
    you'd like to watch the 8:30 show. So, you simply press a button and you
    are watching what you recorded at 8:30, while you continue to record the 10
    - 11 o'clock show. Try and to that on video tape.

    Fred
    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:41:24 -0400
    From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Tapes that squeal

    The fix for a squeaking tape is to bake it. Actually you use a very low
    temperature. About what you would get from an oven light. IOW, turn on the
    oven light, not the oven. Place the tape on the rack and let it sit for a
    certain amount of time.

    This method is used for getting a pre-recorded tape to playback. Then you
    transfer the material to another tape and just put the original tape aside,
    since it can start squealing again.

    If you have blank tape that squeal, for get it. The baking method does not
    last as is not meant for processing un-recorded tapes.

    Fred
    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:41:28 -0400
    From: "Matthew Bullis" <MatthewBullis@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Christian dramas

    Oh, I think the one you referred to was Stories of Great Christians.
    Thanks a lot.
    Matthew

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    Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 23:50:59 -0400
    From: Riesse3@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  My Friend Irma
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain

    Am looking for a November 1948 episode of My Friend Irma whiuch is the
    Thanksgiving program.  Am also  looking for a Calvacade of America episode on
    the life of Sacajaweja.  Can anyone help me locate these  two raio shows?

                                   Joe Riesselman
                                   Riesse3@[removed]

      *** This message was altered by the server, and may not appear ***
      ***                  as the sender intended.                   ***

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    Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 00:08:19 -0400
    From: "Evan Torch" <etorch@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Radio Spirits

    It should be obvious to one and all that you are now almost guaranteed a
    hassle with RADIO SPIRITS.
    This company seems to have completely come unglued; what amazes me is that
    some people even get thru to customer service at all as I ahven't been able
    to EVER get them to pick up the phone.
    Caveat emptor.

    Evan Torch
    etorch@[removed]

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    Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 00:18:28 -0400
    From: "Clyde J. Kell" <cjkell@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Too much advertising

>     Individual listeners today simply don't matter to those profitable
>     enterprises.  They bombard us with every ad they can sell.  (Where's the
>     FCC when you need it?)  Even though I'd enjoy some of those commercial
>     programs today, it's not worth the effort to keep turning the thing off
>     every few minutes. Jim Cox

    Jim, makes some very good points in his posting. This is why I turned to
    Internet Radio for all my listening pleasure. Some of the traditional
    media run broadcasters still insert commercials. In fact a few of them
    duplicate their traditional AM/FM broadcasts.

    However there are the jewels on the Net. The majority of stations listed
    on the [removed] network are independently produced and owned.

    In fact thanks to [removed] I have been drawn to Old Time Radio
    broadcasts. I had not listened to an OTR show since the late 90's while serving
    in the US Navy overseas. However about late 1999 early 2000 I discovered
    [removed] and the many OTR streams.

    But, then I soon discovered that either the stations were broadcasted at
    a high bit rate. So I could not listen with my slow dial-up. And the
    number of station offering a variety of OTR was not there.

    About this same time period. I discovered OTR available for downloading
    on the net, and the many distributors and later the OTR trading clubs.

    In short order I had obtained a substantial collection, and made the
    jump to start my own Internet Radio station. Mystery Play Internet Radio!
    Only so that I could upload and listen to my preferred OTR. That was
    almost two years ago.

    I soon discovered that others had similar taste in Old Time Radio. So
    the listener base has grown and continues to grow.

    All this was just because local AM/FM stations could not provide what I
    wanted to hear. Granted there is some advertising on my station, plugged in by
    [removed] but that's how they pay for the bandwidth. And its not very
    intrusive, actually you may hear a 30 sec commercial about every hour or so,
    and sometimes less.

    When I started the station, it was and still is a hobby, and it was
    FREE. Now I pay a fee to broadcasts. It's a small fee compared to other
    services, and I am not allowed to generate income. But it's still a hobby.

    Now, the alliance of Big Business, Big Traditional Radio Broadcasters
    and various other groups are trying to shut us down, with extremly high
    royality payments etc.

    All this just because I did not want to hear their blasted interrupting
    commercials. I'm tempted, but have not gone completely [removed] but I'm
    tempted to throw my radio and my TV into the trash bin!

    Regards,
    Clyde J. Kell
    Mystery Play Internet Radio
    [removed]

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: Of course, Mr. Kell forgets to mention that [removed],
    through the use of required cookies and JavaScript programming, tracks
    everything you do on their website, including what "stations" you listen to
    and what commercials you hear. If you're interested in online privacy, you
    might want to be a little cautions at that website. If you turn JavaScript
    OFF in your browser by default, as you should always to avoid various viruses
    and tracking "bugs," you cannot listen to _any_ of their programming.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 00:18:51 -0400
    From: "Matthew Bullis" <MatthewBullis@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Any info on this Edgar Bergen record?

    Hello, I found an Edgar Bergen record called Lessons In Ventriloquism. It's
    pretty funny and informative, with Edgar telling you in detail how to become
    a ventriloquist, and he does some Charlie routines, along with playing some
    bits from old shows. Does anyone know when this was released and if it was
    packaged with anything?
    Thanks a lot.
    Matthew

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    Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 00:18:59 -0400
    From: "Matthew Bullis" <MatthewBullis@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  My use of the word common

    Hello, just wanted to clarify my use of the word common in reference to my
    statement of "common radio actors." What I mean here is the most popular
    radio actors like Barney Philips, John Dehner, William Conrad, Virginia
    [removed] Those actors who showed up frequently on radio shows like Suspense,
    Gunsmoke, Escape, and others.
    Thanks a lot.
    Matthew

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    Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 00:19:14 -0400
    From: lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jack Benny Joke

    Thought you might enjoy this joke I found on the
    internet.  I did!

    Jack Benny and Edgar Bergen were having lunch
    together. When the waiter brought the check Jack said,
    "I'll take it".  "The waiter said, "Thats fine
    Mr. Benny, but frankly I'm surprised to have you ask
    for it". "I am, too," said Jack, "and this is the last
    time I'll ever have lunch with a ventriloquist"

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    Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 01:54:13 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jimmy Olson

>     Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:45:09 -0400
>     From: Kubelski@[removed]

>     In observation, the cable station TV Land will be re-running episodes
>     four episodes of "Superman" tomorrow night* beginning at 9:00 [removed] that
>     should include recently departed radio actor Jackie Kelk as Jimmy
>     Olsen.

    I don't know who Jackie Kelk was, but Jimmy Olson was played by Jack Larsen in the
    television version.  Jack Larsen also played Jimmy Olson again in an episode of "Lois and
    Clark," where Jimmy Olson was turned into an old man.

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:44:36 -0400
    From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  "Subject: Too much advertising".

    Jim Cox wrote about the sorry state of commercial radio today, in "Subject:
    Too much advertising". I agree. He seemed to be referring to AM radio
    especially, but FM is only slightly better. The only alternative are
    National Public Radio affiliate stations (which are also infected by some
    "supported [removed]" commercials) or a few not-for-profit outlets.
    As for the [removed] "fogedaboudit!" They're looking for any excuse to loosen
    any restraints on the operation of the "private sectors'" use of what we
    thought were the public airways.

    Herb Harrison

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