Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #190
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 6/14/2001 10:12 AM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                      The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                         Volume 01 : Issue 190
                   A Part of the [removed]!
                           ISSN: 1533-9289


                           Today's Topics:

 TARZAN ON RADIO                      ["Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
 Re: Trading Etiquette                [Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed]]
 Amanda Randolph, "Sorry, Wrong Numbe ["[removed] Wolfe" <rjrmemorabilia@yahoo.]
 ORSON WELLES REFERENCE               [PURKASZ@[removed]                    ]
 Familiar Phrases                     [Kubelski@[removed]                   ]
 Re: TARZAN on radio                  ["Bill & Sue-On Hillman" <hillmans@w]
 Re: Sorry Wrong, Wrong Number        [sfx-meow@[removed] (Ray Erlenborn) ]
 Supertition Mountains & Old Time Rad ["Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@eart]
 Nance O'Neil radio performances?     [Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed]]
 Carlton Morse                        [danhughes@[removed]                 ]
 Bill Walden will answer your questio ["Cyxodus" <cyxoduss@[removed]; ]
 re: Back In Nagasaki                 [Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];       ]
 Re: Hal's Friend's book              [hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];    ]
 Sign and Countersign                 ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
 Chairs                               [Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed]]
 Gunsmoke Radio Vs. TV                ["mike ray" <mikeray42@[removed];    ]
 Our Own Flubs                        [Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];  ]

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 13:49:55 -0400
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  TARZAN ON RADIO

This is in response to Bruce Salen's inquiry about Tarzan on Radio

Our club has the  complete 1930 Serial in our Tape Library.
If interested check out the web site at <[removed];

Owens Pomeroy

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:51:42 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Trading Etiquette

Dominick Cancilla wonders,

What I'm wondering is, when
shows are traded, is it considered polite/acceptable for a trader to "clean
up" or otherwise modify a show before trading it to someone else, or are
shows supposed to be kept in their original condition? And if cleaning is
okay, what about restoring parts of a show that are missing (beginnings,
endings, maybe commercials) or combining shows from more than one source
into a single, complete copy? And if any of this is okay, should the person
being traded to be informed of the modifications?

I don't do much trading anymore, but I think anyone who does trade will
acknowledge it's *very* common in trading material to end up with dubs
that are substantially off speed -- and when passing along material of
this type, I make a point of speed-correcting. I avoid applying
equalization, however -- I feel that's something best left to the
listener, and it's too easy to mess up the quality of a degraded copy
even further by injudicious attempts at improving it. Often the problems
are in the original transfer of the discs, and messing about with the
tape copy won't fix them. (And cheap noise-reduction software is straight
from the Devil's own sound studio, as far as I'm concerned -- in the
hands of an amateur it usually does more harm than good. OTR shouldn't
sound like it's coming out of a bucket of water.)

Another thing I *don't* do -- and what stands as one of my All Time Pet
Peeves -- is attempt to "reconstruct" material that was not present in
the original recording. Pastiche shows made from different parts of
separate programs, pasted-on openings or closings, pasted-in commercials,
fake sustem cues and station IDs, and other such amateur "patch jobs"
have created a lot of confusion over the years for serious researchers,
and they are best omitted. If one enjoys doing such things for personal
listening, that's one thing -- but please don't circulate such
recordings.

Assembling complete programs from two or more incomplete source
recordings of the *same* program is another matter -- I've had occasion
to do this in the past for the First Generation Radio Archives, and I
don't see anything wrong with it *as long as the work is fully
documented.* Often the audio quality between the sources will be
noticeably different depending on the type of discs involved, and one
should be up front in explaining this when copies of such a recording are
circulated.

Elizabeth

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:51:40 -0400
From: "[removed] Wolfe" <rjrmemorabilia@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Amanda Randolph, "Sorry, Wrong Number,"  "Bob
 Hope" and "Trading Etiquette"

Everyone of you has watched Amanda Randolph's work.
Her sister, Lillian played "Throckmorton P. (Know What
The P stood for? There were actually 2 different names
given) Gildersleeve's loyal maid, "Birdie Lee
Coggett." Amanda was employed by "Danny Williams" as
housekeeper, "Louise" on "Make Room For Daddy." Her
most famous employers were "George and Mary Bailey" of
"Bedford Falls."
             There could be another reason for
everyone's confusion about "Sorry, Wrong Number." Were
you aware that this story was repeated 9 DIFFERENT
TIMES throughout the run of the series. Could you be
listening to one of the other broadcasts? I don't have
the actual broadcast dates in front of me at this
exact moment but I promise that I'll try to have them
posted by Friday and then maybe we can decipher
exactly what everyone's been listening to.
                                           You're not
going to find very much Bob Hope material because of
one little thing - he didn't keep his discs. The bulk
of his radio work is guest appearances on either
peoples programs rather than his own. He best shows
are with Bing and yes he too appeared on an episode of
"Suspense." He played a lawyer in the story, "Death
Has A Shadow." His show ran from 1935 - 1954 and he
normally did 39 shows a season which meant he did some
where 678 broadcasts of his own and there's less than
50 of them known to exist because he didn't keep his
records. But there's probably between 75 and 100
programs available where he was either the guet or
emcee. I also find it interesting that he doesn't have
one single show of his own for sale on his own
website. (You don't "Mr. Afore Mentioned" controls Bob
Hope do you?)
            And Dominick asked about "trading
etiquette." Whenever I was an active trader I always
swapped evenly 2 reels for 2 reels, (12 hours for 12
hours) 10 cassettes for 10 cassettes etc. If someone
else has already "cleaned up" a show the sound is
usually destoryed. Leave them the way they are unless
it's something like a broken disc where a word or
words repeated theirselves over and over. Our
equipment at "RJR" was quick enough to correct a
problem such as that. When I swapped or sold reels I
always made sure that the sound level was recorded hig
enough so the collector or customer could hear the
recording if they didn't have an equalizer. If they
did all they had to do was bypass for optimum sound.
                                                  The
way to start trading is by swapping catolg for
catalog. Then make a list of what you want and go from
there. But DO NOT use 90 Minute cassettes like "Mr.
Afore Mentioned" does. They are the cheapest availabe
(He buys them in huge quantites for about 20 cents a
piece) and break very easily. The only time you should
use a 90 Minute tape is when your forced too. An
example of this would be a one of the special
Christmas broadcasts of "Command Performance." It was
90 Minutes and the only thing you can copy it own is
another 90 Minute cassette. And Dominick you're
exactly right with reguards to shows being "Cleaned
up" otherwise known as "equalizer overkill." The only
thing removing every click, hum or pop from a
recording does is destroy the texture of the original
sound. You have to know when to stop and leave well
enough alone and obviously the dealer you're referring
to didn't. Your "trading buddies" can turn into some
of the best friends that you'll ever make if you also
want to invest a bit of time in getting to know them.
I've made some of the most wonderful friends a person
could ever make over the years simply by swapping
tapes. Three that come to mind are Lynn, Janet, Laura,
Andrew, Joe  and Ted but if last names are mentioned
who knows what "Mr. Afore Mentioned" might try. It's
still going to be a while before "RJR" is reorganized
into "RJR Memorabilia" but when it is I'll be happy to
start trading with you.
                   I hope this is helped and I promise
to post the "Sorry, Wrong Number" broadcast dates by
Friday and I'll also take a look for the correct show
titles and dates on the two episaodes of "Lights Out"
that you've been looking for,
                      Goodnight, all.

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:51:38 -0400
From: PURKASZ@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  ORSON WELLES REFERENCE

    Well, according to my instincts and having known about the great Welles
reputation around town (Hollywood) for many years, and having heard that show
with Ava Gardner very recently, it occurs to me the reference, "Who do you
think you are, Orson Welles" has to be about his notorious compulsion to
"direct" everything and everybody around him!
    Funny, he would have liked it and probably did when he heard it as Ava
was a friend from the days in Spain.
    Incidentally, what more do we know about the man who died in Spain
recently who revealed where the urn with Welles's ashes was?
    Is it really true about the urn being behind a plank in the walls of an
ancient bullring in a small town in Spain?
    More will be revealed.
                    Gwynne

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 16:51:36 -0400
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Familiar Phrases

This isn't about OTR, but on the issue of finding the origin of phrases that
are now familiar, my Shakespeare professor in college liked to talk about a
student who wrote in a paper that "Shakespeare often wrote in [removed]"

I've always suspected she made that up.

Sean Dougherty
kubelski@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 17:44:45 -0400
From: "Bill & Sue-On Hillman" <hillmans@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: TARZAN on radio

Bruce asked in Digest V01 #188:
Edgar Rice Burroughs is my favorite author.
I've been told that there were, in fact, two TARZAN radio programs -- one
in the 1930's, with Jim Pierce as Tarzan and Joan Burroughs Pierce as Jane;
the second was in the early 1950's.
Are any of you familiar with either of these two programs?

We have compiled quite a mass of ERB OTR info in our
ERBzin-e Weekly Online fanzine archives.
[removed] Information on the 1932 series with the Pierces,
Diamond of Ashair and Fires  of Tohr serials from the mid-'30s,
and the Commodore series of 1/2 hr shows from the early '50s:

ERBzin-e 011 Tarzan in Radio's Golden Age
with synopses of the 1932 episodes, and chapter titles
of the other series
[removed]

ERBzin-e 141: ERB of the Air
Descriptions of all the Tarzan series
[removed]

ERBzin-e 142: Tarzan of the Air Radio Promo Handout
[removed]

ERBzin-e 143: Tarzan Radio Casts
[removed]

ERBzin-e 144: Diamond of Ashair Radio Shows Serial
Commentary and synopses of all 39 shows
[removed]

and, soon to appear in ERBzin-e:
an episode-by-episode summary of the Fires of Tohr
'36 radio serial

Bill Hillman
Brandon, MB  Canada

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:52:22 -0400
From: sfx-meow@[removed] (Ray Erlenborn)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Sorry Wrong, Wrong Number

CBS, Hollywood Sound Effects guy Ray Erlenborn, here!
My friend, Berne Surrey did the sound effects on "Wrong Number" from the
west coast. Suspense originated in Hollywood.
We did an East Coast show and 3 hours later did a west coast show.
That's why both shows were identical!
I don't see how I can be wrong as I have a picture of Surrey doing
effects with Mercedes Mc Cambridge in the foreground.
And besides [removed] did better sound effects on the west coast!!!!!
Signed: Ray Erlen   born in 1915.

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:54:16 -0400
From: "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
To: "Old Time Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Supertition Mountains & Old Time Radio

Trains have been popular theme in Old Time Radio stories. Another one is
tales about gold hungry men looking the Lost Dutchman Mine in the
Supertition mountains out in Arizona just outside of Pheonix. As I lived in
Tucson, Arizona for part of my childhood I always found these stories
especially appealing. To give an example: One often overlooked shows is the
1957 SUSPENSE show called
"The Paralta Map" which is especially thrilling and uses top notch acting
and sound effects. An earlier show on this theme is the ESCAPE show "When
the Man Comes, Follow Him" from  1950 (I think). I've also noticed
Mysterious Traveler logs that show called "Treasure of the [removed]"
was done a couple of times but no copy seems to have turned up.  If anyone
knows of any others on this theme I'd be especially interested.

Sidenote: A little over a year ago I found a book in my local public library
called "FOOLS GOLD" which gives factual history of this Arizona Legend using
newspaper, and public records and describes the number of people killed
looking for this mine. Whats Chilling is many of the people mentioned in
1957 SUSPENSE shows who died looking for mine REALLY existed and did in fact
die the ways alluded to in the SUSPENSE story. For example, in the SUSPENSE
show the character Lounnie (old timer) played by Junius Mathews, tells
Stacey Harrris and Raymond Burr that man name Adolf Ruth disappeared 1931
looking for the mine but was found by local sheriff posse nine months later
short of his head. This book accurately confirms this through a variety of
primary sources. The writer of the 1957 Suspense show had evidently done
their research.  A Really Great show that has some factual underpinnings as
well.

Sincerly
Mike Kerezman
Oklahoma

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:54:13 -0400
From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Nance O'Neil radio performances?

Folks;

   A friend of mine today mentioned Lizzy Borden, which reminded me of Nance
O'Neil (long-story-short: after the murders, Ms. Borden had a, "close and
hearty friendship" with Ms. O'Neil). In wandering around the Net, I found a
reference that said she, "went on to do more plays, twenty films, radio and
even television;" anyone know of any existant radio (or, heck, television)
performances by Ms. O'Neil? (FWIW, the IMDB doesn't list anything for her
past 1932.)

         Charlie

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 20:07:04 -0400
From: danhughes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Carlton Morse

Walden Hughes (no relation) sez:

Carlton had a contract sale on his property which meant that
Carlton sold the home to a an indidvual, but got to live in it until he
died.

I think the actual term is "life estate."  A contract sale simply means
that the deed does not pass hands until the final payment is made.

---Dan Hughes (who used to sell real estate)

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Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 21:31:29 -0400
From: "Cyxodus" <cyxoduss@[removed];
To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Bill Walden will answer your questions

Hi all,

I have recently been in touch with Bill Walden, a member of Borrah
Minevitch's Harmonica Rascals, and he is willing to be interviewed by the
Old-Time Radio Digest members.

In case you haven't read my email from a few days ago, Borrah Minevitch was
probably one of the most famous (if not the most famous)harmonica players
of the golden radio era. Borrah traveled the world with his band of young
harmonica playing boys from the 1920's until his death in 1955. His group
was credited for starting a harmonica craze that lasted for many years.

If anyone has a question about Borrah, Bill himself or anything in general,
please email me at cyxodus@cyxodus.

Until next time,
Payton

- ------------------
Bill's Email
- ------------------
Hi;

Nice hearing from you regarding Minevitch. The book you have sounds
interesting and am eager to view it on you web site.
I have quite an extensive collection of Minevitch stories and items, and to
my amazement something new seems to show up.
The Boss as we refereed to him, was a wonderful and talented man, and the
years I spent with him I will always fondly remember.

As Far as my Life with the rascals and harmonica send me some form of
outline
and I will be happy to give you what I can remember.

Kindest Regards

Bill Walden

- ------------------

- -- Cyxodus
- -- [removed]

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:31:14 -0400
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  re: Back In Nagasaki

Doug Leary wrote:
I'm sure it's been featured elsewhere, but where I first heard this
song was in the tv version of one of [removed] Wodehouse's "Jeeves & Wooster"
stories.  Hugh Laurie as Bertie Wooster plays the tune on the piano as
he belts out, "...back in Nagasaki where the fellas chew tobacky in
the mooooooor-ning!"

I think this is meant to be a joke, not the actual words of the song.
He is combining two familiar songs, "Nagasaki" and "(Nothing Could Be
Finer Than To Be In) Carolina In the Morning".

"J. Alec West" <Alec@[removed]; chimes in with the correct words:
How about:
       Back in Nagasaki where the fellas chew tobacky
               And the women wicky-wacky-woo!
Hehe.  I believe the song originated in the late 1920s.
Frank Crumit and Nat Shilkret recorded the song around that time

Great guess.  The recording date is July 12, 1928

(possibly on cylinder first, before 78rpm).

Why would you think that?  This is very, very late for
cylinders--production ended the following year at the only company still
making cylinders, Edison.  Discs had been around for over 35 years by
that time--both discs and cylinder started being sold to the public in
the early 1890s.  Neither Crumit or Shilkret ever made cylinders.

I have a copy of that version which is pretty, shall we say,
"musty," ran it through my Dolby unit,

Why?  Dolby decoding should only be used if the recording has been
encoded with Dolby.  It is not meant for reducing noise on anything but
something that has been mastered with the process.

and then encoded it in 32k mono RA:
       [removed]
The first minute-and-a-half is instrumental and then Crumit starts
singing.  Regards,   J. Alec

This is a great record but it has got to be the slowest rendition of
this song that I have ever heard!  Although Nat Shilkret's name is on
the label, the orchestra that day was actually directed by Leonard Joy.
The orchestration seems at times about to launch into "It's Only A Paper
Moon" which would be sung at this slow tempo.  "Nagasaki" is usually a
very fast jazzy number with the words sung so fast it is like a tongue
twister.

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 00:31:51 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Hal's Friend's book

From: "Doug Leary"
Whee do we find this book? It doesn't seem to be at
[removed]

I'm dying for one.

Sorry if I confused you with my posting about the "1945" capsule newscast
book. I knew I would eventually get the remaining 100 copies, but had not
worked out details as to how to handle the sales and distribution.

I just made the information available to all Digest Readers as to the books
contents, (as long as I was posting a response to the "Young Chap" in Great
Britain), and suggested anyone else who might be interested could contact me
and I'd "reserve" a book for them until they were ready to sell and ship.

For what it's worth, you're on the reservation list. # 8

And Charlie's helping me to set up some kind of "site" for folks to access
once he quits fooling around with helping computer illiterate's like me fix
their E-mail problems, and stop's playing "Building Blocks" with his 3 year
old administrative assistant.

Don't "die" Doug, until you pay for the book.

Regards,

Hal(Harlan)Stone

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:58:27 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Sign and Countersign

My father, who was a career officer in the U. S. Army, related the
following.  During some military exercises, troops use a "sign and
countersign" means of identifying themselves to each other.  One word
will be the "sign," and for proper identification, the "countersign" has
to match as a response.

For one exercise he was involved in, the sign was "Hi-Yo, Silver."  The
countersign was "Away!"

I wonder whether there were other such OTR related signs and countersigns
in military operations.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:58:29 -0400
From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Chairs

This is just a bit of whimsy  on my part.  I've been thinking
about mentioning the subject for a while now, but finally got
around to it.  I had a devil of a time looking through my old
picture stuff before I found a good enough example of what I
am talking about, and even yet I had to enhance the image a
bit graphically, but I promise the reader the subject appears
about how it really looked like.

I trust you don't get bored with this chairman

Take a seat peek at following link:

 [removed]

CAB
--
conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
   From the Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms
     Encino, California.

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 08:58:32 -0400
From: "mike ray" <mikeray42@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Gunsmoke Radio Vs. TV

Yesterday our friend RyanO talked about how he and his father would argue
over whether the TV or radio versions of Gunsmoke are [removed]
This of course is a good question and a matter of taste.
Personally I think that Melburn Stone and Amanda Blake give very solid
performances as Doc and Kitty on TV. But clearly the best Matt and the best
Chester are played by William Conrad and Parley Baer on radio. That is a no
contest. Those 2 wonderful actors give great depth and dimension. I believe
that the radio scripts are much better than the very week scripts on TV. (By
the way my wife and I have that same argument. She thinks the TV version is
so much better. I still love her [removed] the way, speaking of Parley
Baer I just received a cassette from Radio Spirits yesterday that has Parley
playing the lead role in a Suspense episode. (Classified Secret November 22,
1955) Of course the script are well written, but Parley is outstanding.
Demonstrating again, that the man could do just about anything. He remaines
our great treasure.
Best regards,
Mike Ray



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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2001 11:55:01 -0400
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Our Own Flubs

True story.  In Minneapolis we lived across the street from a NorthWest
pilot.  One evening we had a party.  At 11 he got up to leave.  I said,
"Already, Stan" to which he replied, "You have a newscast at 7 tomorrow
morning--if you make a mistake YOU CAN ERASE IT."

       Sandy Singer
A DATE WITH SINATRA
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