Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #390
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 12/9/2004 1:47 PM

To: [removed]@[removed]

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 390
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Is this real?                         [ "corganoid@[removed]" <corganoid@jun ]
      12-9 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      radio v. TV (and v. reading)          [ David Loftus <dloft59@[removed] ]
      More Writing the Ranger               [ Dave Parker <dave@[removed] ]
      Man Called X -- help with titles, da  [ "Joseph" <drjoewebb@[removed]; ]
      Re: Hermit's Cave                     [ "jazmaan@[removed]" <dmf273@ya ]
      Imagination in Print and Radio        [ Richard Fish <fish@lodestone-media. ]
      Re: Fred Allen for a newbie           [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      Fred Allen                            [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      'Theatre' I Mind                      [ skallisjr@[removed] ]
      12-10 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Billie the Brownie broadcast          [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Lifetime of digital media             [ ".dan." <ddunfee@[removed]; ]
      fred allen recommendations            [ "W. Gary W." <wgaryw@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:58:30 -0500
    From: "corganoid@[removed]" <corganoid@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Is this real?

    I don't know if you guys ever discussed this before, but here [removed]

    I was just reading about a a Mercury Theater production called "The
    Assassination of Saint Nicholas".  This was apparently a mock newscast from
    the North Pole which (on the show) was recently invaded by Nazis.

    Read about it here:
    [removed]

    Is this for real?  Did this broadcast ever take place?  If so, do recordings
    exist today?

    Considering the source of the article I just don't believe the thing ever
    [removed] it did I can only say [removed] were they thinking?

    Juno Gift Certificates
    Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season.

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    Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:00:29 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  12-9 births/deaths

    December 9th births

    12-09-1897 - Herb Lytton - d. 6-26-1981
    actor: Bill Johnson "Gallant Heart"
    12-09-1897 - Hermione Gingold - London, England - d. 5-24-1987
    actress: "Stagestruck"
    12-09-1902 - Margaret Hamilton - Cleveland, OH - d. 5-16-1985
    actress: Aunt Effie "Couple Next Door"
    12-09-1903 - Brace Beemer - Mount Carmel, IL - d. 3-1-1965
    actor: Lone Ranger "Lone Ranger"
    12-09-1903 - Matty Malneck - Newark, NJ - d. 2-25-1981
    bandleader: "Campana Serenade"; "Duffy's Tavern"
    12-09-1905 - Dalton Trumbo - Montrose, CO - d. 9-10-1976
    writer: (member of infamous Hollywood Ten); "Arch Oboler's Plays"
    12-09-1906 - Freddy Martin - Cleveland, OH - d. 9-30-1906
    bandleader: "Penthouse Serenade"; "Fitch Bandwagon"; "Jack Carson Show"
    12-09-1906 - Ken Niles - Livingston, MT - d. 10-31-1988
    announcer: "Hollywood Hotel"; "Rudy Vallee Show"; "A Date with Judy"
    12-09-1909 - Douglas Fairbanks, Jr. - NYC - d. 5-7-2000
    actor: "Silent Men"; "This Is War"; "We Care"
    12-09-1911 - Broderick Crawford - Philadelphia, PA - d. 4-26-1986
    actor: "Hedda Hopper Show"; "Hallmark Playhouse"; Cavalcade of America"
    12-09-1912 - Bartlett Robinson - NYC - d. 3-26-1986
    actor: Walter Manning "Portia Faces Life"; Perry Mason "Perry Mason"
    12-09-1915 - Elisabeth Schwarzkopf - Jarotschin, Poland
    singer: Austrian Radio
    12-09-1916 - Kirk Douglas - Amsterdam, NY
    actor: "Doris Day Show"; "Hollywood Byline"; "Screen Director's Playhouse"
    12-09-1918 - George Heinemann - d. 8-21-1996
    creator: "Faces in the Window"
    12-09-1928 - Dick Van Patten - Richmond Hill, Queens, NY
    actor: Wilfred Finnegan "Duffy's Tavern"; "Let's Pretend"; Jimmy Dugan
    "Reg'lar Fellers"
    12-09-1934 - Judi Dench - York, England
    actress: Renaissance Theatre Company in association with BBC Radio Drama

    December 9th deaths

    01-03-1898 - John Loder - London, England - d. 12-9-1988
    actor, host: "Crime Does Not Pay"; "Silver Theatre"
    01-07-1922 - Vincent Gardenia - Naples, Italy - d. 12-9-1992
    actor: "CBS Mystery Theatre"
    02-29-1896 - William A. Wellman - Brookline, MA - d. 12-9-1975
    film director: "Screen Director's Playhouse"
    07-28-1916 - Laird Cregar - Philadelphia, PA - d. 12-9-1944
    actor: "Hello, Americans"; "Radio Hall of Fame"; "Suspense"
    08-06-1881 - Louella Parsons - Freeport, IL - d. 12-9-1972
    commentator: "Hollywood Hotel"; "Louella Parsons"
    08-08-1905 - Nino Martini - Verona, Italy - d. 12-9-1976
    singer: "Seven Star Revue"
    10-09-1912 - Walter Compton - Charleston, SC - d. 12-9-1959
    quizmaster: "Double or Nothing"
    11-21-1908 - Mary Young Taylor - Star Lake, NY - d. 12-9-1973
    commentator: (The First Lady of Radio) "Martha Deane Show";
    11-21-1921 - Vivian Blaine - Newark, NJ - d. 12-9-1995
    actress, singer: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    12-25-1909 - Mike Mazurki - Tarnopol, Austria - d. 12-9-1990
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:20:12 -0500
    From: David Loftus <dloft59@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  radio v. TV (and v. reading)

    Paul Adomites, speaking of OTR and entertainment, commented:

>     what's unique about radio is how it lets you create the pictures in
>     your own head, which involved A) some effort and B) some creativity on
>     your part. Which could not be more unlike the zillions of dollars
>     Hollywood spends (and then charges us) to relieve us from the expenditure
>     of one second's effort. Enjoying radio is much different in every way
>     from every other kind of entertainment out there now

    and Tom L. Barnett responded:

>     And if you follow that to its logical end, however. Radio relieves us of the
>     imagination and additional effort involved ni creating the voices and sound
>     effects that can be present in a great novel. Radio is to reading (in a
>     loose sense) what television is to radio.

    That's a very loose sense. Both radio and television/film are more direct
    in communicating their messages -- via sound and sight -- than writing.
    The comparison you're suggesting seems to me a little closer to apples
    and oranges than apples and apples.

    Books filter verbiage through the eye and brain, whereupon an
    extremely complex process of conversion to mental imagery and
    soundscapes commences, subject to each individual's experiences,
    abilities, knowledge base, etc.

    Radio and TV/film are more similar to each other in that they feed
    material more directly to the senses, and that material is immutable
    in itself, but the mind CAN work on it somewhat in the case of radio
    material . . . much less so, I think, with TV/film. They also resemble
    each other in their "inevitability" -- their inexorable forward progress
    (unless, of course, one is making use of audiotapes, videotapes,
    and DVDs, I suppose; but in that case, the material is exactly the
    same every time you receive it) as opposed to a book, with which
    one may move as quickly or slowly as one chooses, double back,
    reread with a different level of attention and absorption and
    "creative effort."

    I do think there's a much greater quality loss when one moves from
    radio to video -- at least in this sense of the personal creativity of
    the consumer -- than from book to radio. Or rather, the media are
    so much more different that comparisons are nearly impossible.

    But all of this probably sounds more certain than it is. I'm mostly
    just speculating here.

    David Loftus
    Portland, Oregon

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    Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 16:19:38 -0500
    From: Dave Parker <dave@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  More Writing the Ranger

    --
    Happy Holidays everyone.  This is Part 2 of "WRITING THE RANGER", the
    information  for which came from Fran Striker Sr. back in the early
    50's.

    Fran was telling me how "he did it" - and I was fascinated. A
    once-in-a-lifetime chance to get it right.  Soooooo - "As you'll
    remember everyone" --Fran had just told me how he fashioned the
    characters that inhabited his stories. Ready?

    "And when you get your 'good guy' Fran continued, 'You have to give
    him something to make listeners like him.  Like maybe he loves his
    dog, or  maybe he's a cripple and can't walk.  Or maybe she's a sweet
    old lady that some slippery lawyer is trying to deceive.  Or maybe
    he's a little boy who'se lost his parents."

    (Me talking now) And of course, Director Chuck Livingstone knew
    exactly who to cast in the many good guy parts.  Ernie Winstanley,
    Bob Dale, Rolly Parker, Jim Fletcher. And of course, the
    super-talented Dick Beals who played so many kids.

    Back to Fran "You see, if I deal with stereotyped characters, the
    audience knows them and what to expect from them. That saves a lot of
    script time which I  can use to develop the plot and build suspense.
    Seldom do we have a really complicated personality, or a surprise
    switch in a character.

    "The fact is that people want to have 'good guys' and 'bad guys' in
    real life too. Suppose you take a girl to a baseball game. She
    doesn't know anthing about baseball, but when an outfielder catches
    her eye  and  grins--why then she's for his team.

    "It's instinctive to choose sides" Fran added

    About the Lone Ranger himself, Fran said "If I were describing the
    kind of man the Ranger is, I'd say that he's fearless, strong, clean
    living.  He hates evil ad is so wrapped up in his 'mission' to
    capture crooks that he doesn't have time for friends or romance.

    "He feel the future of the country is in the west so he's on the side
    of anyone who wants to build in the west --like the railroads.  And
    of course he"s very patriotic. and believes in the right of every man
    to work at what he wants to do and to profit in proportion to his
    work"

    Fran told me that the character of the Ranger was developed over
    time, but from the first it was determined that he would always speak
    correct English, never shoot to kill, be tolerant of all things
    good.  And  of course, he could outwit, and fight any bad guys who
    crossed his path.

    End of Part 2.

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    Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:44:20 -0500
    From: "Joseph" <drjoewebb@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Man Called X -- help with titles, dates?
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     I have 2 shows that I suspect are from the 1952 run. One is about rescuing a
    scientist from a slave labor camp in Czechoslovakian uranium mines. The other
    is about an escaped Nazi scientist who is planning to release nerve gas at a
    NATO meeting is Lisbon. Any help would be appreciated. I don't think these
    shows are in broad circulation, but I think I traded them about 20 yrs ago to
    a very limited number of collectors. RegardsJoe WebbHarrisville, RI

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    Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:44:40 -0500
    From: "jazmaan@[removed]" <dmf273@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Hermit's Cave

    Melanie wrote:

>     I just listened to 16 episodes

    Ok, so which were your favorites?

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    Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:44:57 -0500
    From: Richard Fish <fish@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Imagination in Print and Radio

    Tom Barnett wrote:

>     Radio relieves us of the imagination and additional effort involved
>     in creating the voices and sound effects that can be present in a
>     great novel. Radio is to reading (in a loose sense) what television
>     is to radio.

    A very good point, and a very interesting comparison! A slightly
    different take on this is the following:

    "I really believe that had the great poets of yore been around today, or
    men of their caliber, they would opt for radio because radio is a medium
    that sets up the listener as a collaborator. Whereas television, which
    is by far the richer and more potent medium today, is very literal.
    Radio demands, requires the collaboration, just as a good book does: the
    collaboration being between the writer and the reader. Here it is
    between the writer and the listener." -- Norman Corwin

    Adapting a story from print to radio means just that, adapting --
    changing things. Otherwise, you end up with an audiobook, which is
    something else again, kind of 'neither flesshe nor fowle," as it were.

    I'd like to toss out two general questions for anyone:

    What do you think are the best (or alternatively the worst!) examples of
    adaptations of print for radio?

    In a general sense, what do you think of audiobooks, compared to
    dramatized adaptations?

    Richard Fish

    --
    "Post proofs that brotherhood is not so wild a dream as those who profit
    by postponing it pretend." -- Norman Corwin, 1945

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    Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 22:06:00 -0500
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Fred Allen for a newbie
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    In a message dated 12/8/04 3:01:21 PM Central Standard Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

>     Please recommend outstanding Fred Allen episodes for a neopyhte?

    Two essential shows are the 1940 "Eagle" show, where the eagle gets loose in
    the studio, and the "King For a Day" sketch with Jack Benny.  After that, you
    ought to look for the "Town Hall Tonight" shows from the 1930s and the
    mid-1940s shows sponsored by Blue Bonnet Margarine and Tenderleaf Tea, those
    were
    always my favorites.

    Dixon

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    Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:42:42 -0500
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Fred Allen

>     Please recommend outstanding Fred Allen episodes for a neopyhte?   Thanks.

    The best one I've ever heard was the last show, on 29 June 1949.  It features
    Jack Benny
    and makes him twice as cheap as he ever was on his own show.

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:22:26 -0500
    From: skallisjr@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  'Theatre' I Mind

    Tom L. Barnett, speaking of Paul Adomites' observation that the unique
    quality of OTR's ability to stimulate the imagination's  images, noted,

>     And if you follow that to its logical end, however. Radio relieves us
>     of the imagination and additional effort involved in creating the voices
>     and sound effects that can be present in a great novel. Radio is to
>     reading (in a loose sense) what television is to radio.

    Actually, it's  a tad unfair to contrast different entertainment media.
    Superman for example, began as a comic book, but also translated to OTR.
    Captain Midnight originated on the radio and translated (fairly
    successfully) to a newspaper comic strip and (Gawdawfully) to a comic
    book (Fawcett).   Many science-fiction magazine stories were adapted to
    OTR.

    I, for one, am a little tired of the "theatre of the mind" reference; one
    doesn't use the term when speaking of reading stories.  OTR is OTR, a
    unique art form.  I enjoy listening to OTR recordings.  I enjoy watching
    films.  I like to  read books.  But, IMHO, comparing the different art
    forms critically isn't a productive exercise.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:38:26 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  12-10 births/deaths

    December 10th births

    12-10-1889 - Arthur Vinton - Brooklyn, NY - d. 2-26-1963
    actor: Killer Kane "Buck Rogers"; Commissioner Weston "The Shadow"
    12-10-1889 - Ray Collins - Sacramento, CA - d. 7-11-1965
    actor: Doc Will Hackett, "County Seat"; member of The Mercury Theatre
    12-10-1903 - Una Merkel - Covington, KY - d. 1-2-1986
    actress: Adeline Fairchild "Great Gildersleeve"; "Johnny Presents"; "Texaxo
    Star Theatre"
    12-10-1911 - Chet Huntley - Cardwell, CO - d. 3-20-1974
    newscaster, producer: "They Burned the Books"
    12-10-1913 - Morton Gould - Richmond Hill, NY - d. 2-21-1996
    conductor: "Music for Today"; "Original Amateur Hour"; "Cresta Blanca Carnival"
    12-10-1914 - Dorothy Lamour - New Orleans, LA - d. 9-21-1996
    singer, actress: "Chase & Sanborn Hour"; "Front and Center"; "Sealtest
    Variety Show"
    12-10-1914 - Jean Dickenson - Montreal, Canada
    singer: (Nightingale of the Airwaves) "American Album of Familiar Music";
    "Hollywood Hotel"
    12-10-1920 - Dennis Morgan - Prentice, WI - d. 9-7-1994
    actor, singer: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "[removed] Steel Hour"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
    12-10-1960 - Kenneth Branagh - Belfast, North Ireland
    actor: Renaissance Theatre Company in association with BBC Radio Drama

    December 10th deaths

    02-02-1901 - Jascha Heifetz - Vilnius, Lithuania - d. 12-10-1987
    classical violinist: "Telephone Hour"; "Soldiers in Greaspaint"; "Concert Hall"
    02-25-1932 - Faron Young - Shreveport, LA - d. 12-10-1996
    country singer: "Town and Country Time"; "Country Style [removed]"; "Country
    Hoedown"
    05-05-1899 - Freeman F. Gosden - Richmond, VA - d. 12-10-1982
    comedian: "Sam 'n' Henry"; Amos Jones "Amos 'n' Andy"
    05-08-1895 - Bishop Fulton J. Sheen - El Paso, IL - d. 12-10-1979
    preacher: "Catholic Hour"
    06-13-1894 - Mark Van Doren - Hope, IL - d. 12-10-1972
    pulitzer prize winning poet: "NBC University Theatre"; "Invitation to Learning"
    07-15-1919 - Eve McVeagh - OH - d. 12-10-1997
    actress: Harriet Beatty "Clyde Beatty Show"
    08-02-1892 - John Kieran - The Bronx, NY, New  - d. 12-10-1980
    panelist: "Information Please"
    08-02-1912 - Ann Dvorak - NYC - d. 12-10-1979 - d. 12-10-1979
    actress: "Movietone Radio Theatre"
    08-05-1915 - Peter Lisagor - Keystone, WV - d. 12-10-1976
    chicago daily news [removed] bureau chief: "Meet the Press"
    08-26-1907 - Jack Berch - Sigel, IL - d. 12-10-1992
    singer: "Kitchen Pirate"; "Sweetheart Serenade"; "Jack Berch Show"
    09-26-1908 - Sylvia Marlowe - NYC - d. 12-10-1981
    harpsichord virtuoso: "Lavender and New Lace"; "Sylvia Marlowe and Richard
    Dyer-Bennet"
    10-04-1884 - Damon Runyon - Manhattan, KS - d. 12-10-1946
    short story writer: "Good News of 1940"; "Damon Runyon Theatre"
    10-13-1903 - Patsy Moran - PA - d. 12-10-1968
    actress: Martha Hoople "Major Hoople"; Hilda "Junior Miss"
    12-11-1914 - Marie Windsor - Marysville, UT - d. 12-10-2000
    actress: "Escape"; "Suspense"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 11:39:13 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Billie the Brownie broadcast

    For those of you who live in the Hartford, Wisconsin area, on the 24th of
    December four members of the NightMARE Players, namely Mark Higgins, Ralph
    Luedtke, Carol Boettcher and yours truly will be doing a "live" recreation of
    a November 27, 1932 "Billie the Brownie" radio script. The show on which it
    will be performed is  "The Ron Krause Show" and is on from 9:45 AM until 12
    noon. Sorry I cannot be more specific, but we will be on in that time frame.
    The rest of the show however will be a retrospect of the "Billie the Brownie"
    show. It is a call in show, it should be fun. The Hartford station call
    letters are WTKM and it is on [removed] on the FM dial and 1540 on the AM dial.

    TKM stands for The Kettle Moraine.

    By the way you may have recognized the name of Mark Higgins, he is a regular
    contributor to the digest.

    Who sez "live" radio is dead?

    If you have any question, feel free to email me off line.

    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 13:54:40 -0500
    From: ".dan." <ddunfee@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Lifetime of digital media

    same

    This comes up from time to time when thinking of archiving material or
    purchasing disks, will it last and/or what affects the life of the product:

    [removed]

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    Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:43:06 -0500
    From: "W. Gary W." <wgaryw@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  fred allen recommendations

    jazman asked for some recommendations on fred allen
    shows.  here are my picks - the ones with a star in
    front are very well known episodes.

    --w. gary w.

    Town Hall Tonight:
    - 1937-12-22 Santa Claus Sits Down Jack Benny
    - 1938-05-18 The House That Jack Built
    - 1939-03-22 One Long Pan - Murder At Madison Square

    Fred Allen Show (60 min., Ipana):
    - FA 1939-10-11 Bert Lahr - Satire On Surveys
    - FA 1939-12-27 Robert Benchley
    - * FA 1940-03-20 An Eagle Escapes Into The Audience
    - FA 1940-03-27 Guest T Hee - Reaction To Eagle Escape
    - FA 1940-04-24 Eddie 'Rochester' Anderson
    (Incomplete)

    Texaco Star Theater (60 min.):
    - 1941-04-02 One Long Pan - Charlie Chan's Murder
    - 1941-05-21 What's Wrong With Radio
    - 1942-05-10 Marlene Dietrich

    Texaco Star Theater (30 min.):
    - 1942-10-04 Charles Laughton - Poor Old Charlie
    - 1942-12-06 George Jessel - First Allen's Alley
    - 1943-01-03 Peter Lorre - One Long Pan Vs Mr Moto
    - 1943-01-10 Jack Benny - The Substitute Violinist
    - 1943-01-31 Oscar Levant - Concert With Jack Benny
    - 1943-02-28 Phil Baker - Reclaiming Lost Air Time

    Fred Allen Show (30 min.):
    - 1945-10-07 Charlie McCarthy - New Partner
    - 1945-10-21 Frank Sinatra - Charlie McCarthy Sues
    - * 1945-10-28 Charlie McCarthy - Trial Of The Century
    - 1945-11-11 Monte Wooley - Charlie The Chicken
    - * 1945-11-25 Leo Durocher - 'Brooklyn Pinafore'
    - 1946-01-20 George Jessel - Movie Of Fred's Life
    - * 1946-05-26 King For A Day W Jack Benny
    - 1946-10-13 Tony Martin - The Radio Mikado
    - * 1946-10-27 Tallulah Bankhead - Breakfast Show
    - * 1947-03-16 Beatrice Lillie - Picadilly
    - 1947-10-- 19 James Mason - One Long Pan
    - 1948-06-27 Jack Benny - Stop The Music
    - * 1949-06-26 Last Show W Jack Benny & Henry Morgan

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