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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2007 : Issue 36
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Barney Beck                           [ JayHick@[removed] ]
  Alan Reed                             [ Jason Loviglio <loviglio@[removed]; ]
  CLAYTON MOORE                         [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
  The Lone Ranger's first name          [ mikennancy2001@[removed] ]
  Lone Ranger's given name              [ "Stephen Davies" <SDavies@[removed] ]
  Keener than most persons              [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
  Re: radio shows on TV                 [ wgaryw@[removed] ]
  Tri-State Spring Radio Fest           [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  2-1 births/deaths                     [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  Barney Beck                           [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
  More on BETTY BOOP, Mae Questel and   [ Ljk2476@[removed] ]
  Peter Falk and OTR ??????             [ dm4yeshua@[removed] ]
  The Lone Ranger's First Name          [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
  I Love A Mystery - correction         [ Chargous@[removed] ]

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:50:25 -0500
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Barney Beck
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Barney died Jan 30 at the age of 85.   For those who attended our convention
10 or more years ago, you will remember Barney as a fine sound man and good
friend.   As I get more details I will pass them on.   Joan Beck gave me the
news.   Jay

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:02:44 -0500
From: Jason Loviglio <loviglio@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Alan Reed
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Does anyone out there know much about the life and career of Alan
Reed--best known as Fred Flintstone on TV?
He played "Shrevie" on The Shadow and many other radio parts. I'd be
grateful if anyone can point me in the direction
of any information about his career on the radio.

Many thanks!

Jason Loviglio
University of Maryland Baltimore County
loviglio@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:03:04 -0500
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  CLAYTON MOORE

Firstly, the first Lone Ranger was non other than screenwriter/director,
George Seaton, [Miracle on 34th Street--the original Airport, etc.]  It
was George who came up with HI HO SILVER, AWAY when the script called for
him to whistle and he couldn't.

In 1965 Clayton moved to Minneapolis and opened Ranger Realty, with his
brother-in-law.  We were in the market for a new home, so I called him
from the studio.  He picked us up in a Sierra Gold Caddy, wearing dark
sunglasses.  He joked about always having to wear a mask -- "Am I that
bad looking," he quipped.  We spent a very enjoyable afternoon with the
masked man.  He survived one Minneapolis winter and decided to move back
to Southern California.

[removed]
            Sandy
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:03:16 -0500
From: mikennancy2001@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Lone Ranger's first name

I was always under the impression that it was Daniel, as in Daniel Reid --
that was the "lone ranger" who survived the assault from the Cavendish gang.
Whether or not the name was mentioned in the radio show, I couldn't say.

Mike in Mountain View

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:03:59 -0500
From: "Stephen Davies" <SDavies@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Lone Ranger's given name

Jack F writes:

It's been pretty well established that the LR's first name was never
mentioned on any of the radio or TV shows.

    But what about in the novels?  A quick search in the American Library
    of Congress shows these titles (sorry, didn't have time to put them in
    chrono. order):

"written by Fran Striker (1903-1962) and based on the famous Lone Ranger
adventures created by Geo. W. Trendle"

Lone Ranger and the Bitter Spring feud (1953)
Lone Ranger and the code of the West (1954)
Lone Ranger and the mystery ranch (1938)
Lone Ranger and the outlaw stronghold (1939)
Lone Ranger and the war horse (1951)
Lone Ranger and Tonto (1940)
Lone Ranger (1980)
Lone Ranger on Gunsight Mesa (1952)
Lone Ranger rides again (1943)
Lone Ranger : trouble on the Santa Fe (1955)
Lone Ranger's new deputy  (1939)
Lone Ranger and the Texas renegades (1938)
Lone Ranger and the Silver Bullet (1948)
Lone Ranger at the Haunted gulch (1941)
Lone Ranger in Wild Horse Canyon (1950)
Lone Ranger on Powderhorn Trail (1949)
Lone Ranger rides north, by Fran Striker (1946)
Lone Ranger traps the smugglers (1941)
Lone Ranger west of Maverick Pass (1951)
Lone Ranger on Red Butte Trail (1956)
Lone Ranger rides (1941)

Stephen D
Calgary

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:04:33 -0500
From: <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Keener than most persons

All of this discourse over John Reid's appellation prompted me to wonder:

Does anybody recall that the inscrutable Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost Persons
also had a well-hidden first name?  While you never heard it on the air, he
was "born" with a given name besides "boss," "kindly old investigator,"
"kindly old tracer," "eminent" and "famous."  Do you know what it was?

His sobriquet was assigned by magazine artist (Life, Vogue, etc.) Robert W.
Chambers who launched a second career as an author of fictional works (45
volumes), where he conceived Mr. Keen in the release of "The Trace of Lost
Persons" in June 1906.  The character was adapted to radio three decades
later by Frank and Anne Hummert and the sleuthing pursuer became their most
durable crime detective.

For a clue (how appropriate!), see:  "Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost Persons:  A
Complete History and Episode Log of Radio's Most Durable Detective"
(McFarland, 2004), p. 18.

Or look for it here.  Surely such an opportunity won't be wasted!

Jim Cox

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:05:19 -0500
From: wgaryw@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: radio shows on TV

i wrote:
it's interesting to me that it seems the more the radio performers stuck to
the original conception of their shows when moving to tv, the less
successful
they were.  fred allen's failed attempts to recreate "allen's alley" are
another good case in point. . .

to which A. Joseph Ross replied:
I don't know if that can be stated as a general rule. [snip]

you're right - i should have made clear that i was really only thinking about
comedies.  and i'm ashamed that i didn't think of the big exception to the
highly debatable "rule" i was suggesting even when limiting to comedies,
which you pointed out:  "you bet your life" was virtually unchanged in the
move from radio to tv (except for adding the duck).

I didn't know that Fred Allen tried to to Allen's Alley on TV.
Tell us more.

i wish i knew more, having never actually *seen* any of fred allen's attempts
at recreating the alley on TV.  i've only read about it, in books like frank
wertheim's "radio comedy".  apparently, there was an attempt at staging
"allen's alley" as a *puppet show*, of all things.  but "allen's alley" was
conceived for radio, and is much better suited for an abstract, aural medium
than the more concrete reality of television.

the most immediately obvious approach to doing "allen's alley" on tv would
have been to actually create a set representing the alley and have live
actors portraying the residents.  well, you can get away with having a bronx
housewife, a southern senator and a new england farmer all living next to
each other on radio, but once you present this visually, suspension of
disbelief becomes a major obstacle.  this is probably part of why the attempt
was made to do the segment as a puppet show;  that, and also so that the
original radio actors could portray their roles despite not necessarily
fitting their parts physically.

has anyone out there *seen* any of allen's attempts at doing "allen's alley"
on tv?  the only fred allen tv appearances i've seen are (1) a guest shot on
a jack benny tv show, (2) his stint on "what's my line?" when it was rerun on
the game show network, and (3) a single episode of him hosting the "colgate
comedy hour".  in that one, he doesn't do "allen's alley", but he does do a
dreadful, cringe-worthy tv version of one lang pan, complete with allen in
"asian" makeup that wouldn't fool a martian.

--wgw

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:05:42 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Tri-State Spring Radio Fest

I received this e-mail today, it's held the weekend before Bob Burchett's
OTR convention in Cincinnati, but I figured the following might interested a
couple people who may happen to live close enough driving distance to check
it out on Sunday, and/or those who travel through many states to Bob's
convention, make it a stop along the [removed] who knows?

The Third Annual Tri-State Spring Radio Fest.
The Buckeye Antique Radio and Phonograph Club and the Pittsburgh
Antique Radio Society (PARS) invite you to join us Sunday, April 15, 2007,
in Beaver Falls, PA.

Click the link below for details.
[removed]

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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 21:56:47 -0500
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  2-1 births/deaths

February 1st births

02-01-1859 - Victor Herbert - Dublin, Ireland - d. 5-24-1924
composer: "Palmolive Beauty Box Theatre"; "Railroad Hour"
02-01-1891 - Alexander Kipnis - Schitomir, Ukraine - d. 5-14-1978
wagnerian basso profundo: "Outpost Concert Series"; "Metropolitan Opera"
02-01-1894 - James P. Johnson - New Brunswick, NJ - d. 11-17-1955
pianist: "Eddie Condon's Jazz Concerts"; "This is Jazz"
02-01-1895 - John Ford - Cape Elizabeth, ME - d. 8-31-1973
director: "Screen Director's Playhouse"
02-01-1901 - Clark Gable - Cadiz, OH - d. 11-16-1960
actor: "So Proudly We Hail"; "Silver Theatre"
02-01-1902 - Langston Hughes - Joplin, Mo - d. 5-22-1967
writer: "America's Town Meeting of the Air"
02-01-1903 - Donald Thompson - Albia, IA - d. unknown
actor/announcer: "The Right to Happiness"; "Those Happy Gilmans"
02-01-1904 - S. J. Perelman - NYC - d. 10-17-1979
humorist: "Information, Please"; "Author! Author!"; "Railroad Hour"
02-01-1906 - Hildegarde - Adell, WI - d. 7-29-2005
singer, pianist: (The Dear that Made Milwaukee Famous) "Hildegard
Program"
02-01-1908 - George Pal - Cegled, Austria-Hungary - d. 5-2-1980
film producer, director: "Bud's Bandwagon"
02-01-1912 - Clete Roberts - Portland, OR - d. 9-30-1984
news correspondent: Covered both World War II and Korea
02-01-1916 - Helen Walpole - Birmingham, AL
actor: Sylvia Bardine "Just Plain Bill"; Frances "Lorenzo Jones"
02-01-1922 - Miriam Wolfe - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-29-2000
actor: Nancy "Witch's Tale"
02-01-1922 - Renata Tebaldi - Pesaro, Italy - d. 12-19-2004
lyric soprano: "Bell Telephone Hour"; "Metropolitan Opera
02-01-1926 - Nancy Gates - Dallas, TX
actor: "Masquerade"; "Orson Welles Theatre"
02-01-1926 - Stuart Whitman - San Francisco, CA
actor: "We Hold These Truths"
02-01-1937 - Don Everly - Brownie, KY
singer: (The Everly Brothers) "March of Dimes"; "Country Hoedown"
02-01-1941 - Marian Hailey - Portland, OR
actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"

February 1st deaths

01-20-1907 - L. A. "Speed" Riggs - Silverdale, NC - d. 2-1-1987
tobacco auctioneer: "Jack Benny Show"; "Kay Kyser Show"
02-21-1881 - Dr. Jonah B. Wise - Cincinnati, OH - d. 2-1-1959
preacher: "Message of Israel"
02-25-1912 - Richard Wattis - Wednesbury, England - d. 2-1-1975
actor: "Brothers In Law"
04-16-1895 - Mischa Mischakoff - Proskourov, Russia - d. 2-1-1981
violinist: "NBC Symphony Orchestra"; "NBC String Trio"
05-02-1885 - Hedda Hopper - Hollidaysburg, PA - d. 2-1-1966
actor, columnist: Portia Brent "Brenthouse"; "Hedda Hopper Show"
05-29-1909 - Mary Jane Higby - St. Louis, MO - d. 2-1-1986
actor: Joan Davis "When a Girl Marries"; Nora Drake "This is Nora Drake"
05-30-1892 - Raymond Clapper - LaCygne, KS - d. 2-1-1944
commentator: (Killed During WWII) "News and Commentary for White Owl
Cigars"
06-10-1920 - Anne Burr - Boston, MA - d. 2-1-2003
actor: Regina Rawlings "Backstage Wife"; "Nona Marsh "Wendy Warren
and the News"
07-23-1908 - Ernest Dudley - Dudley, England - d. 2-1-2006
writer: "Enter Sexton Blake"; "Dr. Morelle"
08-12-1921 - Marjorie Reynolds - Buhl, ID - d. 2-1-1997
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Cavalcade of America"; "Silver Theatre"
08-16-1888 - Marion Sayle Taylor - Louisville, KY - d. 2-1-1942
advisor: "Voice of Experience"
08-25-1903 - Michael Bartlett - North Oxford, MA - d. 2-1-1978
singer: "The Jack Benny Show"
08-30-1797 - Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley - London, England - d. 2-1-1851
creator of Frankenstein: "Suspense"; "The Weird Circle"
09-15-1907 - Jack Bailey - Hampton, IA - d. 2-1-1980
emcee: "Queen for a Day"; "Truth or Consequences"
10-04-1895 - Buster Keaton - Piqua, KS - d. 2-1-1966
comedian: "Shell Chateau"; "Voices from the Hollywood Past"
11-03-1928 - Wanda Hendrix - Jacksonville, FL - d. 2-1-1981
actor: "Cavalcade of America"; "Stars Over Hollywood"; "Lux Radio
Theatre"
12-01-1918 - Thomas Hayward - Kansas City, MO - d. 2-1-1995
singer: "Serenade to America"; "Name Speaks"
12-28-1909 - Olan Soule - La Harpe, IL - d. 2-1-1994
actor: Sam Ryder "Bachelor's Children"; Kermit Hubbard "Joan and Kermit"

Ron Sayles
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Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:30:02 -0500
From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Barney Beck

Jay Hickerson just e-mailed that legendary soundman Barney Beck died
yesterday.  He was a great gentleman and friend of the Friends of Old Time
Radio Convention.

If anyone has a bio with his credits that I could forward to the appropriate
places, I'd like to try and place an obituary or two.

Please contact me privately with information.

Thanks,

Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]
201-739-2541

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:40:20 -0500
From: Ljk2476@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  More on BETTY BOOP, Mae Questel and Helen
 Kane!
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The other day I got a e-mail from Bill Knowlton where he stated to  me:

".... BTW, Helen probably did NOT steal the "boop" phrase from anybody. She
spontaneously blurted it out during a record take.
"I interviewed her in 1959 and this is what she  told me.
    "She died not very well off at all. And she spent  decades of her life
watching herself on a cartoon screen, with no revenues  coming from it."

    I don't doubt this a bit. I believe the last thing  - that I know of -
that she did professionally (in the movies, anyway) is that  she dubbed the
actress portraying her in SINGIN' IN THE RAIN.
    The story about the lawsuit by Helen Kane vs. Max  Fleischer Studios and
Paramount comes from Leslie Cabarga's book, THE FLEISCHER  STORY, which is
still in print. All I know is that Miss Kane lost the suit, and  that
Paramount
lawyers were able to prove that she took some of her own act from  another
singer.
    Was Helen Kane entitled to some kind of "royalty"  from Fleischer and
Paramount? It's a tough call. It's been said that some of  Groucho Marx's
personality was put into "Bugs Bunny," and you can see a lot of  Andy
Griffith in
"Huckleberry Hound" too. A LOAD of cartoon characters were  influenced by live
performers, but I would guess that Helen Kane's singing  persona was a MAJOR
influence on "Betty Boop."
   Sometime in 1941, when Paramount executives noted that it  was close to
contract re-negotiations between them and King Features Syndicate  over making
more POPEYE animated cartoons, a campaign began to push Max  Fleischer and his
brother Dave out of the cartoon studio they founded. Paramount  "suits" saw TV
on the horizon, and didn't want the Fleischer organization to get  a piece of
that "pie"! It's a long story, but the details of it have finally  come to
light, thanks to the late Richard Fleischer and his book OUT OF THE  INKWELL
which came out last year. Anybody interested in the classic animated
cartoons of
Max Fleischer should get this book. Before Max passed away, his many  legal
battles over the rights to the cartoons finally paid off when he shared  the
merchandising rights to the BETTY BOOP characters with King Features
Syndicate.
    For more information on the POPEYE radio shows, I'd  suggest coming back
issues of THE POPEYE NEWS-MAGAZINE from THE OFFICAL POPEYE  FANCLUB which, I
believe, you can contact at [removed] Co-founder  Mike Brooks
should
be able to guide you to the articles on the radio show that  were written for
the magazine. I have never heard any of the POPEYE radio  shows - from c.
1936 - other than the four that have been available from several  dealers for
years. I'm hoping that more will turn up, likewise for the BETTY  BOOP radio
shows as well. Does anybody know if Mae Questel did any singing or  acting on
the
radio, outside of the BETTY BOOP radio show? - Lenny  Kohl

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:40:31 -0500
From: dm4yeshua@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Peter Falk and OTR ??????

Dear fellow OTR lovers:
Can anyone tell me if Peter Falk ever did OTR or appeared on any shows?
David B.

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:41:21 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Lone Ranger's First Name

Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:06:03 -0500
From: Joemartelle@[removed]

Be that as it may, and back to the subject of the  masked-man's first name!
During one of our informal 'radio  chats,' the subject of the Lone Ranger's
first name came up and Clayton  confirmed, without doubt or hesitation that
it
is and always has [removed],  Kemo [removed]!

Was this before or after the show was sold to Wrather Corporation.
We have people around here who will only accept the name "John" if
there is evidence that it was intended by the LR's creators, George
W. Trendle and Fran Striker.  The present owners of the property
could do a movie today and call him "John" or "Aloysius" or whatever,
and it wouldn't count, just as the 1980s movie doesn't count.

Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:16:52 -0500
From: crow8164@[removed] (Dennis Crow)

David Rothel, author of WHO WAS THAT MASKED MAN? ([removed] Barnes and Company,
1976), interviewed Charles Livingstone, who was an early actor and long time
director of the radio version of "The Lone Ranger."  Livingstone came to work
on "The Lone Ranger in August, 1933, seven months after the program had begun
in January, 1933. He knew both George Trendle and writer, Fran Striker.  He
says to Rothel, "Nobody ever knew the Lone Ranger's first name despite the
fact that some writers claim it was John." (page 111)

The question is, how long was he connected with the show.  You say he
was there in 1933, at the beginning, but how long did he stay?  It's
always possible that Trendle and Striker decided on the name "John"
after he left.

It seems to me, however, that if they had intended the name "John,"
they would have used it at some point on the radio or TV show.  For
that matter, there were mini-comic-books put out by General Mills
around 1955 or 1956 that told the story of the LR's origin and how he
found Silver.  Those books carefully avoid saying the LR's first
name.  There's even a panel which shows a letter which the LR
identifies as having been written by "Captain Reid's younger brother.
The letter as shown is illegible, except for the signature "Reid,"
with no first name shown.  I would think that if the name "John" had
been chosen for the LR by that time, it would have been used.

I think The Lone Ranger's first name is "The."

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 Fax [removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:42:09 -0500
From: Chargous@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  I Love A Mystery - correction

Tonight I discovered that the date attributed to one of the circulating
Mutual episodes of "Murder Is The Word For It" is incorrect.  The episode
attributed to 12-19-51 is actually 12-20-51, per the Mutual scripts.

Interesting that a lot of dialog seems to have been chopped out of the
broadcasts compared to the scripts, at least on 2 Mutual eps I've listened
to while reading along.

And people probably already knew this, but to clear up any confusiion
-  some of the mp3s floating around of ILAM are completely mislabeled, such
as "Blood On the Cat".  No audio is known of that, as well as some other
"lost" storylines mistakenly listed in some mp3 collections.

I've managed to find the best possible copies for a lot of the shows, but a
couple of the episodes of "Murder At Turquoise Pass" are impossible to find
in good sound. (basically any other episode than 8-22)

By the way, anyone else listen to OTR on headphones?  I find that
well-transferred OTR has a mellow sound on (good) headphones.  $250
headphones might be overkill for OTR, but I also use them for music and
mastering, also. Currently, I use the Ultrasone HFI-650 (at home) and Sony
MDR-V900HD (on my mp3 player) (I plan to upgrade to the Ultrasone Proline
2500, the Rolls of headphones, for home.)  I'm one of the few people using
Studio Monitors on an mp3 player, heh (The Sonys).  For those that care, it
has 24 ohm impedance, so it's ok on such a device.

Travis

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