Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #280
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 8/28/2001 5:31 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2001 : Issue 280
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Comments                              [ William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed]; ]
      Re: My Favorite Husband- Bea Benader  [ GOpp@[removed] ]
      The Goon Show.                        [ Elmer Standish <elmer_standish@telu ]
      Tabernacle Choir [removed]              [ "Robert Paine" <macandrew@[removed] ]
      Re: J. C. Deagan and his Chimes       [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Sandy Singer & random OTR thoughts    [ "jstokes" <jstokes@[removed]; ]
      Re: Beverly Sills                     [ "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; ]
      NBC Chimes                            [ "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed]; ]
      Follow the Yellow Bricks              [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      C'mon In!                             [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      RE:Clark Super 100-Keeping the list   [ "Tim Lones" <tallones@[removed]; ]
      Johnnies Theme and other ramblings    [ Bill Harris <radioguy@[removed]; ]
      Re: Grand Canyon Suite                [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]
      Demographics Survey                   [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
      JOHNNY OF PHILIP MORRIS               [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
      Phil Harris?                          [ danhughes@[removed] ]
      Abbott and Costello                   [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]
      Re: White Oleo                        [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]
      Si and Elmer                          [ "Jerry" <xfyles@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:24:28 -0400
    From: William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Comments

    I enjoyed the comments about Phillip Morris and Johnny Roventini. I was
    the CBS engineer on Phillip Morris Playhouse for several years. Johnny
    and his brother, Frank, (who drove Johnny to the studio), became good
    friends. By the way, Johnny was an avid yachtsman skippering a 45 foot
    cruiser. Although the show had a regular basic cast, we had noted
    performers as guest artists each week. Charlie Martin was the director.
    He was a bit eccentric, but a good friend. He had formerly been a writer
    on "March of Time". College student, Robert Culp, became a regular when
    he won an acting contest sponsored by the show. When Alice Frost would be
    in the cast we would always have lunch together, which would annoy the
    other actors who were very "clanish". (her brother was a friend of mine).
    My days with "Phillip Morris Playhouse" bring back happy memories.

    Another comment. The NBC chimes had nothing to do with General Electric.
    They came into the picture many years later. NBC, both Red and Blue, was
    formed by [removed];T, then in the early days was sold to RCA, headed up by
    David Sarnoff. General Electric came into the picture at a much later
    date. (David was noted for having a lousy personality. However, his son
    Bob, who took over, was a charmer. We had a long and pleasant chat one
    evening when he was a dinner guest at a home where I was working on a
    "Person to Person").

    As my friend, Lowell Thomas would say, "So long until tomorrow". By the
    way, I just heard from Jay, and I hope that I will be seeing all of you
    at FOTR in Newark this fall.

    Bill Murtough

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:30:50 -0400
    From: GOpp@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:  My Favorite Husband- Bea Benaderet

>     One of the classic radio series that Miss Benaderet costarred on was My
>     Favorite Husband, which starred Lucile Ball and Richard Denning. She played
>     Liz Cooper's (Lucy's) best friend and coconspirator Iris Atterbury. Gale

    Gordon

>     played her husband and George's boss, Rudolph Atterbury. She first appeared
>     in the program on the episode entitled "Old Jokes And Stories" on March
>     [removed] in the first season and last till the end of the show, March [removed]

    While the 3/25/49 episode entitled "Old Jokes and Old Stories" was Bea's
    first appearance on "My Favorite Husband" as Iris Atterbury, she was a
    frequent guest long before that, in various roles (including an
    appearance on 3/4/49 as George's mother-in-law before Eleanor Audley was
    cast in that part). Bea's first appearance on "My Favorite Husband" was
    on the first episode my father ever wrote for Lucy - "Young Matron's
    League Tryouts" - broadcast on October 2, 1948 - in which Bea played
    "Mrs. Wirthingill" the drama coach: [Woman (commenting on Mrs.
    Wirthingill): "She could have had a great career as an actress. Doesn't
    she remind you of Cornell?" Liz: "She reminds me more of Notre Dame!"]

    I've posted a fairly complete "My Favorite Husband" episode guide, with
    cast listings, at

    [removed]

    It's interesting to imagine what "I Love Lucy" would have been like with
    Lucy's first choices for the Mertzes -- Bea Benaderet and Gale Gordon.
    In the TV episode "Lucy Changes Her Mind" (based on the "My Favorite
    Husband" episode "Liz Changes Her Mind") the restaurant scene is taken
    almost word for word from the radio version. Dad even hired Frank Nelson
    to reprise his radio role as the waiter. The only difference is that Desi
    Arnaz replaces Richard Denning, William Frawley replaces Gale Gordon, and
    Vivian Vance replaces Bea Benaderet. I included both versions of the
    scene back to back on the audio CD that comes with my book, "Laughs,
    [removed] Lucy." Both versions are funny, but in this scene I think
    Gordon and Benaderet did a better job than Frawley and Vance.

    - Gregg Oppenheimer
    [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:36:47 -0400
    From: Elmer Standish <elmer_standish@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Goon Show.

    [removed]~[removed]
    ------------------------------------------------------
    Here is a site which puts up down loadable episodes of The Goon Show
    and has many links as well. No too Much available at one time.

    ENJOY ===> ELMER

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:37:48 -0400
    From: "Robert Paine" <macandrew@[removed];
    To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Tabernacle Choir [removed]

    I contacted the Choir office just now. This coming Sunday, Sept. 2, will be
    the choir's 3,759th performance. The program began over NBC (not sure Red,
    Blue or both) in 1929. The first announcer was, I believe, Ted Kimball who,
    to reach the microphone, stood atop a ladder high above the choir. KSL had
    only one mic and broadcasting was stopped until it was hooked up in the
    Tabernacle.

    Communication with the network was via telegraph. Several persons were
    between the control room and choir loft and a series of hand signals
    transmitted cues. Ted Kimball left after the first few programs to serve a
    mission for the church and Richard L. Evans was assigned as announcer. He
    held the position until his death in 1971. There's the story that he did his
    part even when on vacation, announcing from the station nearest him while
    the choir performed from the Tabernacle. He was succeeded by J. Spencer
    Kinard, who was in turn succeeded by present announcer Lloyd Newell. The
    information came from the Tabernacle Choir office and from a book on the
    history of the Choir.

    A general question for the [removed] anyone have plots/story lines from
    the soap The Brighter Day. It began on NBC radio in 1948 and I think moved
    to CBS, where it was simulcast for two years before the radio version ended
    in 1956. I've been able to get a general idea of the story from several
    books but no clear idea of how the program progressed.

     Macandrew

    "On the whole, I'd rather be in Great Yarmouth, although the Poconos will do
    nicely."

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:06:30 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: J. C. Deagan and his Chimes

    Sandy Singer wrote:

>     Did the J C Deagan company make their famous dinner chimes before or
>     after the notes G E C were selected by NBC?

    John Calhoun Deagan began working with bells and chimes in the 1880s, and
    manufactured his first dinner chime in 1910. By that time, the J. C.
    Deagan Company had become the preeminent company in the field -- in
    additon to dinner chimes, the company made a full line of orchestra
    bells, organ chimes, xylophones, vibraphones, marimbas, and clock-tower
    and carillon chimes. Among other distinctions, Deagan was the sole
    manufacturer of the precision 440-A tone bar adopted in 1917 as the
    official tuning standard of the American Federation of Musicians.

    Judging from available evidence, NBC appears to have used at least two
    different models of Deagan "plate" chimes -- the model 410, which
    featured four "japanned bronze" bars mounted on a wooden sounding box,
    and the model 500, which came equipped with five bars. In both cases, the
    bars were of equal length for each note, with the pitch varied by the
    size of the hole in the sounding box. Both of these models were widely
    sold by department stores and music shops in the 1920s, so it was a
    simple matter for the network to purchase them off-the-shelf. It's
    probable that the chime sets first used on air in 1929 carried
    last-patent dates of 1926 on the rear labels.

    Deagan also made so-called "railroad" chimes, which mounted the note bars
    on hollow metal sounding tubes of varying length. These were *not* used
    by NBC, but did apparently show up at some non-NBC stations, where
    different patterns of chimes were used as local identifiers. The cheap
    bronze-colored novelty chimes distributed by NBC in the late thirties
    were patterned after these "railroad" chimes, and not after the models
    actually used on air, probably because they were less expensive to make.

    NBC affiliates were issued their own sets of chimes, and numerous
    recordings exist to document that these hand-struck Deagan units remained
    in use at the local level long after they were replaced at the network
    level by the electromechanical chime system. It was common,  once the
    G-E-C pattern was standardized, for these chime sets to be modified  for
    easier on-air handling -- the note bars would be removed by cutting the
    heavy cord which held them in place on the box, the extraneous bars
    discarded, and the G-E-C bars restrung on the box in the standardized
    sequence. A photo appears on page 52 of the 5/17/40 issue of "Movie Radio
    Guide" showing NBC staff announcer Ben Grauer posing before an RCA 4-A-P
    microphone and holding a Deagan Model 500 chime set that has been so
    modified.

    NBC lore has always claimed that the first chimes were purchased at a
    department store for $[removed] However, contemporary advertising indicates
    that the retail price for Deagan dinner chimes in the late twenties ran
    around $8 to $12 depending on the specific model, so if this price is
    accurate, it probably referred to the purchase of multiple sets.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:10:06 -0400
    From: "jstokes" <jstokes@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Sandy Singer & random OTR thoughts

    Howdy Folks!   You see a posting from time to time from Sandy Singer.   He's
    a gentleman in the biz, who knows what he's talking about.
        Mr. Singer has a legacy of being a top DJ in the Mpls/St Paul radio
    market.   He proceeded me at the "then" WLOL by how many years, Sandy?
    Sandy has worked in major radio markets and runs an outstanding Sinatra
    show, for which I'm happy he sent me an air check along with other
    "memorabilia."  :)
        Be sure to tune Sandy in now, buckeroos!
    - -------------------------------------------------------------
        Here's a tale from a small market station in South Dakota I worked for
    years ago.   The newscaster this particular day was the station manager.
    The news had a rather long and involved story about a certain American
    Indian tribal chief.   His name was Moses Two Bulls.
        Yep, you guessed the snafu.   Replace "a" with "u" in "Bulls," and you
    have an uproarious laughfest going on in the control room, where two other
    kibitzers besides me, the board operator, were standing around.   The poor
    newscaster had no place to go.   We had no actualities.   And it was in the
    middle of a 15-minute newscast.   Remember 15-minute newscasts?   Yipes.
        Well, we bailed him.   One of the kibitzers, in true save-the-show
    ethics ripped off some wire copy and went into another announce room, where
    snafu #2 took place.
        Seems the chief engineer had taken the lights out and not replaced them.
    He left a small note on the door, but no-one paid any attention to the
    advisory.   So now, we cued the fill-in newscaster, and he burst into
    guffaws because he couldn't see the copy very well.
        Kibitzer #2 flung open that studio door, adding some light to the
    darkened room, and also letting any outside noise flow into the room.   Sure
    enough, the station manager, now emerged from the news studio, said some
    very expressive words not far from the open announce room door.
        Thus, the newscast stopped short of the usual 15 minutes.   And I was
    left to laugh my way through the weather forecast.   When we were back to
    music, the program director called.   "What the he*l is so da*ned funny?
    Do you value your job?"
        To which I replied, "I think you better talk to (station manger's name
    here).   He's right here."  For those of you not in the biz,  the station
    manager outranks the program director, unless the PD has stock in the
    company or is one of those grey powers behind the throne.   But here, the
    manager was the boss, above the PD.   That is --
        Well, there's an old army expression that "sh*t flows downhill."   This
    was a rare instance where it flowed UPhill!     The manager sort of hid
    himself away for about a week.   And the PD, well we were all really nice to
    him!

    Much more OTR, as I lived it, next time.

    Jim Stokes

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:12:13 -0400
    From: "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Beverly Sills

    Russ Butler wrote:

>     Before Beverly Sills became an opera diva, she began her performing >career
>     singing the Rinso "White"  (..."happy little
>     washday song!") jingle on the [removed]

    And that reminds [removed] for our November meeting, one of the members of the
    Metro Washington OTR Club is preparing a program of theatrical short
    subjects that deal with radio.  I mentioned to him that I'd seen a short,
    produced by Educational Pictures, that mainly depicts a (fictional)
    broadcast in which a young - possibly pre-teen - Beverly Sills sings an
    aria.  I forget WHERE I saw it (it *might* have been that old PBS series
    MATINEE AT THE BIJOU), but I can't find it on video.  Researching the 'net
    has yielded only the title: "Uncle Sol Solves It" (1938).

    Does anybody have this short on a video that can be dubbed to VHS?  I'll pay
    for the tape, time and shipping, or if preferred, I can trade - I have some
    early "Dragnet" eps that are NOT out on home video (taped off British TV in
    the mid-1980's), including the one where Frank Smith gets shot.

    Michael J. Hayde

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:08:08 -0400
    From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  NBC Chimes

    Bill Harris <radioguy@[removed]; wrote:

>     At the time of the formation of NBC, General Electric was not the only
>     investor in the network, it was owned by RCA (50%), General Electric (30%)
>     and Westinghouse (20%).

    Wasn't RCA itself owned 60-40 by GE and Westinghouse -- meaning that GE
    really had 60% of NBC?

>     Until something surfaces from some NBC file to prove otherwise I tend to
>     think it that the choosing of the notes G-E-C and the initials of General
>     Electric was just coincidence. This is all discussed in the article.

    Another thing that tends to disprove the General Electric theory is that the
    company was (and still is) abbreviated GE, and *never* GEC (which were until
    recently the initials of the totally unrelated General Electric Company plc
    in Britain).

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:12:46 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Follow the Yellow Bricks

    Frank Kendall, recalling oleomargarine, notes,

>     I remember the white oleo coming in a bag that had a "button" of yellow
>     food coloring embeded in the bag.  You squeezed the "button" until it
>     broke and then kneaded the bag until the oleo was yellow.

    Ah.  I remember that.  But that was a johnny-come-lately addition.
    Originally, it was margarine, powdered coloring, a bowl, and a fork.
    What a pain!  But usually more than one of us did the mixing, because it
    was kind of fun to see the stuff change from looking like lard to looking
    like butter.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:13:44 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  C'mon In!

    Without going back over the previous thread, Elizabeth McLeod said
    something that I think deserves to be discussed as a _new_ thread.  She
    noted,

>     I think most people will agree there is room for both "casual
>     nostalgia" and "serious research" in the OTR world -- after all, when the
>     Nostalgic Fan comes around asking for specific information on the
>     background or broadcast history of a particular program or personality,
>     it's up to the Serious Researcher to root it out.

    But there's an interesting synergy between both types.  Outside of my
    Captain Midnight specialty, I fall mostly into the Nostalgic Fan
    category.  I can remember specific shows, or even bits within specific
    shows (such as an Our Miss Brooks episode where she'd hastily hidden a
    frog in Mr. Conklin's desk), but ask me the cast, broadcast date,
    network, or even day of week when it aired, and I'd usually draw a blank.
     Memory's faulty (as an example, recently, I estimated getting a small
    3-speed radiophonograph a year before I actually got it), and the
    nostalgist -- particularly one who's old enough to have heard the shows
    when first broadcast -- isn't a reliable source that way.  However, the
    nostalgist who lived through the era can provide insight that can prove
    useful for the Serious Recearcher.  By recalling specific shows, or show
    themes, the nostalgist might provide clues that help the researcher in
    his or her investigations.   For instance, if someone is investigating
    the use of cryptological devices as OTR premiums, someone who may
    remember hearing a secret message being broadcast on a Red Ryder show
    might broaden the scope of investigation (as far as I know, the shows
    with such items were the Ovaltine-sponsored Orphan Annie and Captain
    Midnight, Tom Mix, Red Ryder, and Bobby Benson -- as well as the
    "decoder" cipher slide in the Dick Tracy detective kit, but there could
    be more).

    There's room for everyone.  Because I know that memory is imperfect,
    unless I know for sure, i try to include "if memory serves," or "as I
    recall," in any statement I make about an OTR show.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:14:40 -0400
    From: "Tim Lones" <tallones@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE:Clark Super 100-Keeping the list fun

    Clark Retail Gasoline Stations, (Which like most Gas Stations, are also
    covenience stores)..are still very much around, Primarily in the [removed]
    fact my wife Linda works at the store in Massillon, [removed], would like
    to second the comments about maintining a civil atmosphere on the [removed]
    have been on other lists.(different topics) and have vound this list to be
    extremely informative and pleasant to read each [removed] keep it that [removed]

    Regards to all,
    Tim Lones
    East Sparta, Ohio

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:18:06 -0400
    From: Bill Harris <radioguy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Johnnies Theme and other ramblings

    "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; posted:

>     <This is for Bill Harris, who asked what the theme was behind Johnnie's
>      Introductions: >

>      It was from Ferde Grofet's "Grand Canyon Suite"  I have had an LP of that
>      Suite for over 30 years, and the part that was used for Johnnie was a
>      segment called "On The Trail."  Hope this helps.

    Correct you are Owens, and the "On The Trail" piece was composed in the
    summer of 1931.

    And Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed]; commented about the War of The
    Worlds disks:

>     Are there any details available about the provenance of these discs ---
>     were they actually authenticated by anyone with a background in vintage
>     transcriptions?

    I don't have any details as to the heritage of these disks, I wish I knew.  I
    can't imagine them being worth $14K no matter where they came from. Re: your
    question about authentication--I doubt it There were a lot of bidders at this
    auction with deep pockets that were willing to pay over inflated prices for
    items just because it came from the Muchow estate. I did not attend but a
    friend of mine who did said he felt like he was the only person in the room
    that wasn't a registered millionaire. The radio set that Admiral Byrd took
    with him on his expedition to the North Pole sold for $33,500 to an
    organization planning to take it on a trip that recreates his voyage.

    And Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; asks:

>     Did the J C Deagan company make their famous dinner chimes before or
>     after the notes G E C were selected by NBC?

    The J. C. Deagan company was making those chimes long before NBC or even
    radio. They were around in the 1800's.

    Also Jer51473@[removed] says:

>     also cant remember the name of phillip morris theme, but it was classical
>     and reminded me of a camel loping in the dessert.

    It should make you think of mules or little donkeys trodding down the trail
    in the Grand Canyon. If you listen to the entire piece you hear the slow
    plop-plop of the pack animals plodding along, but at the end of the piece the
    plop-ploping gets much faster. A mule or donkey can be frustratingly slow to
    move along until you turn him around to head back for home, then he will run
    to get back to the feedbag. The music illustrates this.

    Then Jon Martin says:

>     I do have a question  - what is the average age of the people who are on
>     the list?

    Well lets see, if I divide my age by the number of years I have lived, my
    average age is 1.
    OK, I know, I know. I won't do it again.

    Bill Harris

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:18:22 -0400
    From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Grand Canyon Suite

    Boy, is my face red.

    Charlie Northway

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:18:30 -0400
    From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Demographics Survey

    Hi Gang -               August 28, 2001 - Tuesday - 5 PM cdt

    In issue 277, Jon Martin asked the following:

>       question  -
>       what is the average age of the people who are on the list?

    In subsequent issues, several people have volunteered
    demographic information about themselves.  I hope someone
    will be keeping track and that there will be enough input to take
    a valid average.   I also hope someone (Jon?) will post the
    results of this informal poll.  I'm curious, too.

    I'm 64.  That makes me old enough to have heard many of the
    programs on the actual broadcasts.  I was also wise enough to
    have my tape recorder running (after 1948).  Unfortunately, I was
    also foolish enough to have erased many of those recordings.

    Happy Taping -- Ken Piletic -- Streamwood, Illinois
    kenpiletic@[removed]

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:19:46 -0400
    From: PURKASZ@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  JOHNNY OF PHILIP MORRIS

        Along with the anticipatory delight of the magnificent lunch I was going
    to be having in the Polo Lounge and the refreshing swim in the pool once used
    by Esther Williams for practice, the other main delight of an afternoon at
    the Beverly Hills Hotel was seeing Johnny!
        Yes folks, the original Johnny, still wearing the same uniform on his
    diminutive frame, could be seen there at his original job, up until a few
    years ago anyway!
        I used to make it a point to have a conversation with him just to hear
    that voice and imagine all the radio shows from my youth ringing true to my
    memory.
        I was smoking Winston at the time (no more) and we used to joke that it
    was getting harder and harder to find the old smokes!
        One had to go to the small cigar store by the side of the
    Beverly-Wilshire Hotel to find the small room that served as a humidor and in
    which you could sit in a small chair and look at a series of names on the
    drawers lining the walls.
        You know the names.
        The cigar smokers of Hollywood, Groucho Marx, Edward G. Robinson, etc. I
    believe I even saw a small drawer that had the inscription, Winston Churchill
    on it!
        I won't swear to it. It was heady atmosphere.
                            Gwynne

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:20:40 -0400
    From: danhughes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Phil Harris?

    Stephen Kallis sez:

>     Regrettably, relatively few people know who Phil Harris was.

    My daughter wrote Phil Harris a letter shortly before he died, asking him
    about his radio days and the Jack Benny show.  She received back from him
    an autographed photo that broke her heart (she was maybe 11 at the time).
     Because half the photo was a head shot of Phil, and the other half was a
    drawing of Baloo the Bear from Disney's Jungle Book movie.  And the
    signature was "Hi from 'Baloo' Phil Harris."

    So a lot of baby boomers know him as a cartoon character, and don't have
    a clue that he was a huge name in radio.

    ---Dan

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:21:28 -0400
    From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Abbott and Costello

    As a fan of The Abbott and Costello show, I can tell you that during this
    time period, the boys were in dire straits.  Adults were tiring of their
    routines, which Lou refused to change, and they were constantly
    bickering.

    Even if they had rehearsed, what you heard probably wasn't too far from
    what they would've done.  Lou was known for constant ad-libbing and it
    was sometimes too much for Bud to handle.

    It wasn't until the release of Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein in
    1948, that they achieved a really *big* hit again, and the strength of
    that one film helped the comfortably coast to an end in 1957.

    Rodney Bowcock
    Self Help 20" Promotions
    BMX-Bar-B-Q 2001 September 22nd
    Lebanon, Ohio

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:22:03 -0400
    From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: White Oleo

    A rose by any other name would be the same. I agree with Stephen. As a kid I
    knew I had finally reached the age where my services in the house were
    required when it became my job to color the oleo. I also spread some of the
    white stuff on my toast, and to my knowledge it tasted exactly like the
    yellow stuff. I remember someone calling it lard. Not so. Big difference.
    Lard comes from an animal source, pig fat to be exact. Oleo is a vegetable
    source if I am not mistaken. Vegetable oil and milk if I am not mistaken.
    Today's margarine is made of vegetable oil and water, and precious little
    milk or dairy products. All of this brings up a very good point. Is there a
    difference between oleo and margarine? I know I have heard it called oleo
    margarine before, but is that correct?

    Charlie Northway

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    Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:22:14 -0400
    From: "Jerry" <xfyles@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Si and Elmer

    Hi all,

    I've been fortunate to acquire a few episodes of Si and Elmer. I didn't find
    them listed in Dunnings book and wondered if anyone here can give me the
    story behind this show. Damn there funny! :)

    TIA,.
    Jerry

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