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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 36


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Some Henry Aldrich Trivia   
	 New To List
	 Operation underground
	 Tough but not impossible
	 Henry Aldrich Films
	 contrasting Hal Peary with Willard Waterman
	 Re: Conventions
	 Re: Bickersons' popularity 
	 ILAM, What is OTR?
	  RIP Phil Rapp
	  copyright, radiola, & the shadow -- O MY!: TNG
	  copyright, radiola, & the shadow -- O MY!
	 Stern vs Imus
	 AFRS
	 VHS-Hi-Fi
	 Re: The Henry Aldrich Movie Matter

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 07:06:42 -0500
From: KFPR@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
cc: packerm@[removed], THEKRUMM@[removed], sah@[removed]
Subject: Some Henry Aldrich Trivia   
Message-ID: <960127070641_407766691@[removed]>

     Since we have a current Aldrich Family case on the books, how about a
little Henry trivia for some of his real OTR friends:

     (1) How old was Henry throughout the radio run (1939-53)? (See how easy
this is)

     (2) Who played Henry's pal Dizzy in all but the first Aldrich movie?

     (3) What actor on the radio program in the 40"s later became a Hollywood
stuntman and master horseman? (Clue: Don't let his face or name fool you)

     (4) Who played in more Aldrich radio programs than any other cast
member?

     (5) What two ladies graduated to "A" movie stardom after appearing in a
Henry Aldrich movie(s)? (Clue: One of them starred in two motion pictures
with an American icon)

     (6) What was the theme of the Aldrich Family radio show? (Clue: It
hasn't got anything to do with Jello)

     (7) Who served in the Aldrich radio cast that later won an Academy Award
(Oscar) for a role in an unrelated motion picture?

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Fritz Ritterspach     (San Diego)     KFPR@[removed]         "GO STEELERS"

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Date: 27 Jan 96 10:24:11 EST
From: "David L. Sharp" <[removed]@[removed]>
To: unknown <otr@[removed]>
Subject: New To List
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hello Everyone.

I'm a new member of this mail list and thought I'd introduce myself.

As I am only 46 and a child of the TV era, I'm not old enough to remember when
radio was *the* broadcast medium in everone's home. I came to old time radio in
1963 (I was 14) when a local radio station started broadcasting old episodes of
The Shadow and The Green Hornet every Sunday night from 5-6 PM. Having spent
many hours with Superman and Batman comics I was totally fascinated by these
other masked (or invisible) heros, and also at how easily I could create the
whole scene in my mind just from the words they were speaking. 

Since that time I have collected a number of episodes of The Shadow, on record
(47 episodes to be exact). In recent years I haven't looked for others, but I
still have a keen interest in The Shadow, The Green Hornet, and other radio
heros of the 30's and 40's.

In the 1980's I also became a afficianado of the Big Band era and it's music. I
have since collected over 1300 recordings on record, tape and CD of many of the
bands that were popular during that time. My collection actually spans between
1920 and 1947.

I look forward to the discussions and comments about old time radio that occur
thru this mailing list.

David L. Sharp

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 96 15:21:59 +0100
From: Marcus_Antonsson@[removed] (Marcus Antonsson)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Operation underground
Message-Id: <OA92-901-213p1_001c3d64@[removed]>

Hi friends,
I've heard about a program called "operation underground" which was rather
popular in the early fifties. I've tried to find copies of it but nothing
shows up. Can anyone tell me more about this program and if any episodes
are available?
 
Marc

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:05:09 -0500
From: Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Tough but not impossible
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Since I'm actually more of a movie buff than an OTR one I have complete,
or almost complete runs of most of the movie series mentioned by Fritz
Ritterspach in Digest #35. And all of the serials.

I also have three Henry Aldrich movies. With a little time and luck I can
probably come up with most of the rest. Back at the dawn of the VCR era
Cincinnati was blessed with a new TV channel that had the most wonderfully
decrepit Paramount package imaginable. You wouldn't believe the Anna May
Wong movies I have. Or try and find "The Devil Is A Woman" or ""Murder He
Says". It ain't easy. I know I have several Fibber McGee & Molly films,
including "Here We Go Again". I even have "Mr. & Mrs. North" with Gracie
Allen no less. Come to think of it "The Gracie Allen Murder Case" is around
here someplace. That's even a Philo (Fido according to Gracie) Vance movie
to boot. Written especially by S. S. van Dine for Gracie and novelized.

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:14:57 EST
From: DFEQ02A@[removed] (MR JOSEPH ANDOLINA JR)
To: OTR@[removed]
Subject: Henry Aldrich Films
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

I remember watching showings of Henry Aldrich films on Channel 11 
(WPIX) quite a few years ago.  I wonder for those of you looking for 
a lead,  would it be appropriate contacting the station to see if 
those films are still retained in their film library?  (Then again,  
is channel 11 still WPIX?)

Joe

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:38:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: JSEXTON@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: contrasting Hal Peary with Willard Waterman
Message-id: <01I0I6ZE2MCS8WW47Y@[removed]>

  To me both actors were great in the role of the Great Gildersleeve-
Even thought they looked differently, I could easily listen to both of
them all day long.
  One thing that surprized me as a kid was that there were 2 different
actors who did the part -not just one.
  Here's Hats Off to both [removed] were both great!!!Best,John Sexton
(JSEXTON@[removed])

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:39:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Charlie D Matkin <cdm01@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
cc: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Conventions
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

I particularly enjoyed your piece about Willard Waterman. I had been in 
contact with him, but only by way of a letter or two. We had wanted him 
to come to New Orleans to be in some of our shows, but we waited too long.
Speaking of coming to New [removed] It would be great to have a 
convention here, sometimes. Lots of folks do (:)|. We all had a great 
time when AFTRA held one here and we got to meet Les Tremayne, Jay Josten,
"Ma Perkins" and others. Who might we contact about such a venture? 

                                                                      
                                             Charlie Matkin

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 12:49:28 -0600 (CST)
From: Charlie D Matkin <cdm01@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
cc: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: Bickersons' popularity 
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Don Ameche was always a favorite of mine ('tho I felt he could have left 
the singing to others). It is a great pleasure to re-create the character 
in our shows. I don't attempt to mimic him, but the humor of the lines 
carry the evening and it is one of our most requested bits. 
      Charlie Matkin  New Orleans Radio Theatre, Inc.

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Date: 27 Jan 96 15:14:06 EST
From: Steve Lewis <[removed]@[removed]>
To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: ILAM, What is OTR?
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

In answer to one reader who wrote asking about the I LOVE A MYSTERY STORY "The
Things That Cries At Night".  This particular ILAM serial (also sometimes called
"Faith, Hope, and Charity") was done twice on the series, once in 1939 and again
in 1949. The 1949 version is the only one known to be in existance today.  The
story with the Brahms lullaby is a separate storyline, and is unfortunately one
of the many lost shows from the series.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Another reader wrote asking how old a show has to be to be classified as
"old-time radio".  The era of Old-Time radio is generally considered to have
ended when the last nationally-carried network dramatic series went off the air.
The last two shows were YOURS TRULY, JOHNNY DOLLAR and SUSPENSE, both of which
last aired on CBS on 9/30/62.


Steve Lewis   

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:03:00 GMT
From: [removed]@[removed] (Marty Tabnik)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject:  RIP Phil Rapp
Message-Id: <96012712212231748@[removed]>

Phil Rapp, responsible for the TV version of TOPPER ["host
to said ghosts"] and for the creation of THE BICKERSONS,
died recently.  Go gently, Phil and
        sniff the cork and hit [your]self over the head
        with the bottle!
                -- JohnB, on how his economizing had
                effected his bourbon drinking.
---
 * SLMR [removed] * I was speaking to myself so I didn't listen. *CosmoTopper

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:02:00 GMT
From: [removed]@[removed] (Marty Tabnik)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject:  copyright, radiola, & the shadow -- O MY!: TNG
Message-Id: <96012712212331751@[removed]>

BA> From: barrym <barrym@[removed]>
BA> Subject: Re:  copyrights and copywrongs
BA> Message-ID:
BA> <[removed]@[removed]>

BA> But when people stop making a profit from their products,
BA> their rights should end.  If they don't then the copyright
BA> laws are blocking our advancement more than they are providing
BA> for it.

How long a "non-profit" period do you advocate?
Surely you can think of some books, stories, characters,
and films that have lain moribund for years until
        They came back into fashion.
The creator (or the current owner who PAID the creator)
is still entitled to control (and, one presumes, profit).
That's why there is a LIMITED period of copyright --
recently extended from 28 years (plus a 28 year renewal) to
life+50 years.


BA> A number of people petitioned the publisher for old
BA> copies, but they said no.  It wasn't worth their while.

Did they ask for a royalty-free license to distribute the
old one?  [If they were refused, the publisher may have had
a good reason:  He wants to SELL THE NEW ONE ... and the
old one is competition for that.]

BA> Of course it's [making unauthorized copies of the older version]
BA> illegal.  But I can't see how that is wrong.
1.  It's not yours, it's the PUBLISHER's.
2.  The publisher wants to sell copies of the NEW compiler.
3.  If you're saying "it's the old one or none", then
        You are EL Stucko.
Just because it's inconvenient doesn't make it illegal/immoral.


BA> If I buy a program and give someone a copy that's stealing.

You *do* understand, Barry. <g>


BA> Reading back over this I see it's a bit confused.

It isn't really.  Duplicating&distributing UNauthorized copies
of copyrighted intellectual property is w-r-o-n-g.  Those who
get caught have nore more ground for complaint than the driver
who runs a stop sign or drives over the speed limit:
        DRIVER:  <excuse>
        OFFICER:  You admit that you broke the law.
                Tell it to the judge.


BA> It's a confusing issue.  There are contradictions.
BA> But that's just the way it is.

It is NOT "confusing".  The only contradictions lie with those
who think that SOME intellectual property rights "are more equal
than others". <g>


BA> Also, thanks for the explanation of Michael Rophone.  Until you
BA> mentioned his nickname I just couldn't find the connection.

Glad to oblige, sir.


****

JS> From: Joel  Senter <[removed]@[removed]>
JS> Subject: A couple of things
JA> Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

JS> <snip> It seems to me that as free folks, we have a right to
JS> refuse to deal with organizations who have policies with
JS> which we don't agree.

Quite right!

And such pressure is often effective in changing such policies.
[However, I think that you'll agree that "fighting fire with
fire" by doing immoral/illegal things against such companies
is WORSE -- because we proclaim that "We know better".]


****


More generally, the major complaint I hear about copyright
[please, folx, note the spelling -- the word means "The Right
to duplicate&distribute COPIES!"] is that
        It's not convenient.
Imagine what a world it would be if THAT became the governing
criterion!

As for "that's the way it is",
        Don't PUBLICIZE your law-breaking
        Don't bitch if/when ya get caught.
---
 * SLMR [removed] * If at first you don't menage, trois, trois again.

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:59:00 GMT
From: [removed]@[removed] (Marty Tabnik)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject:  copyright, radiola, & the shadow -- O MY!
Message-Id: <96012712212331750@[removed]>

BR> From: Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]>
BR> Subject: Why'd you think he'd get it?
BR> Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

BR> A few words from a self-confessed, poaching, self-styled hobbyist:

You're BRAGGING?


BR> I knew you guys were beating your heads against a stone wall
BR> trying to talk sense with Tabnik about copyrights.

What IS it about "intellectual property rights" that escapes you?
----------------------------------------!!!!!!


BR> Marty THE AUTHOR has no sympathy for
BR> anything without an "Inc." behind it's name.

1.  At least I'm literate. <sneer>
2.  FEW authors (save the most successful -- who can afford
high-priced congenital lawyers) are INCe.
3.  It has zero relevance to the "Inc." and TOTAL relevance
to the CREATOR.


BR> Notice how he insists Radiola's lawyers made "errors". Get real,
BR> if they made errors like that they should be disbarred for
BR> terminal stupidity.

I wouldn't argue with your evaluation of Radiola's lawyers. <BFG>


BR> Trying to drive any compitition, no matter how small, into
BR> bankruptcy.  All the while hoping that Conde Nast didn't get
BR> wind of their dirty little scheme.

2.  According to the summary reprinted here [posted by someone else!],
Radiola had informed Conde Nast of their lawsuit -- and asked CN not
to interfere.  What Radiola *should* have done is demand that Conde
Nast enforce Radiola's exclusive duplication rights.

1.  If that "competition" [note the correct spelling] is in the
business of THEFT -- then bankruptcy is a mild punishment indeed.


BR> Not personal property rights, not who OWNS what.

You disparage INTELLECTUAL property rights when they are inconvenient
for you.  You might read Robert Bolt's A MAN FOR ALL SEASONS in which
Sir Thomas More explains to an over-eager Richard Rich why laws must be
enforced for ALL  . . . . even to the benefit of Satan.


***


LY> Lynchmob17@[removed]
LY> Subject: Early Shadow
LY> Message-ID: <960123041807_404097998@[removed]>

LY> [removed]: Marty Tabnik, get off this right-wing conservative
LY> [removed] already.

When did the defense of INTELLECTUAL property rights become
[at least in your eyes] some "right-wing conservative [removed]".
When I attended college (in the 1960s) defense of the
intellectual was a *VERY* "liberal" activity.


LY> And Imus is still just a Stern ripoff.

I first listened to the Iman in the mid-70s -- long before
Howeird started in broadcasting.


LY> Just ask Pete Franklin.

who?
(Here, we're more likely to ask JOE Franklin. <heh heh>)


****


SS> From: SeptSev@[removed]
SS> Subject: Re: The Shadow saga
SS> Message-ID: <960123171512_204827576@[removed]>

SS> Come on. Common sense says that as a practical matter the system
SS> we have now is reasonable: if you are the VALID owner of an OTR
SS> copyright and choose to stop unauthorized sale of your property,
SS> send out cease and desist notices.  The men of good will who are
SS> the dealers in this hobby(almost all collector's themselves, I
SS> gather) will certainly honor your request.

Dear Thom,

                         Clap!
                     Clap!    Clap!
                    Clap!       Clap!
                   Clap!         Clap!
                    Clap!       Clap!
                     Clap!    Clap!
                         Clap!

---
 * SLMR [removed] * If at first you don't menage, trois, trois again.

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 14:11:27 -0800 (PST)
From: Rob Spencer <rspencer@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Stern vs Imus
Message-ID: <[removed]@netcom6>

Please, let's not get into this subject.  Not only is it off-topic, but if
I read one more item about Stern ripping off Imus I will no longer be able
to keep my own mouth shut on the subject.  
	Let's just be glad that there is _someone_ attracting attention 
to radio nowadays.


Rob Spencer

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:01:20 -0500
From: SeptSev@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: AFRS
Message-ID: <960127180120_128991098@[removed]>

Hello [removed]
For those of you who remember the AFRS from a young whipper-snapper:
What WAS the AFRS?(Armed Forces Radio Service?) Did it broadcast the same
show as Network with commercials edited, or were different shows recorded?
 For example, did the Benny show do a seperate opening/close without the name
of the sponsor but the same program content?
What arrangement did the networks have with the government?  Was this like a
government contract thing--were they paid for these programs--or were they
provided as a patriotic service? How were the shows distributed and
broadcast?
Regards, 
Thom Bray

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 18:01:25 -0500
From: SeptSev@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: VHS-Hi-Fi
Message-ID: <960127180123_128991148@[removed]>

Dear [removed]
An update on recording OTR on VHS. I am backing up all my RTR on VHS, as well
as cassettes, with excellent results.  The fidelity is good, and when I
record two channel mono(L-R) I get 8 hours in LP mode, which is what I use.
(The EP mode has tracking problems--I believe others of you have experienced
this.) 
Almost all VHS-Hi-Fi decks allow you to ouput L, R or Stereo, so when it
comes time to dup from VHS to cassette it's a no-brainer. And with two
cassette players, you can still record two channel mono by patching one
player in R and one in L to the VCR.  
I have yet to dup VCR to VCR, but I can't see that this is a problem.
I'm enjoying playback through the TV even more than through cassette or RTR.
 You can switch cassettes easily in the middle of a program, they are sturdy
and the sound is great.
I would love to hear from anybody else out there using VHS, and especially
from those who trade on that medium. ( I'm in the process of preparing 5- 8
hour trade reels).
Regards,
Thom Bray
septsev@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 19:12:48 -0800
From: je@[removed] (Jeff Elliott)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: The Henry Aldrich Movie Matter
Message-Id: <v02130505ad3094b736c9@[[removed]]>

> Fritz Ritterspach wrote:

>      Now back to our search.  With periodic effort, I have been trying to
> track down any or all of the Aldrich movies for a long time.  I have run
> across most of the radio related series or cliffhanger  flicks, but no Henry.
>  He can't be found on the late night show or AMC.  Eddy Brandt or Boyd
> Majors, two of the largest special movie video dealers, don't have [removed]

They definitely survive. I watched the whole series on WGN (Chicago)
about 17 years ago. And no, they're not very good. Although I'm an avid
fan of The Aldrich Family, I found them as wearisome as any bad B movies,
after the fourth or fifth in the series. Even the weakest of the Andy Hardy
pictures were better.

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