Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #273
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 8/23/2001 3:03 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2001 : Issue 273
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: LONE RANGER supporting voices     [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
  Longest [removed]                    [ Vntager8io@[removed] ]
  Kay Kyser's Daughter                  [ Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed]; ]
  Local Stations Making Money           [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  WHIZ-Correction-Thanks                [ "Tim Lones" <tallones@[removed]; ]
  OTR Products                          [ "jstokes" <jstokes@[removed]; ]
  Re: Chimes 'n' Cues                   [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Re: Making Money                      [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  John Dunning's email?                 [ Ben Ohmart <bloodbleeds@[removed]; ]
  Quiet Please scripts/The Clock        [ "stephen jansen" <stephenjansen@ema ]
  JIMMY BLADE                           [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
  Re: A-N-A-C-I-N                       [ Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed]; ]
  Obsolete OTR Products                 [ "jay ranellucci" <jayran33@hotmail. ]
  WHIZ and Capt. Marvel                 [ Marklambert@[removed] ]
  Actresses                             [ Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed] ]
  chimes                                [ SacChief@[removed] ]
  The Shadow Magazine                   [ Elmer Standish <elmer_standish@telu ]
  Cancellation of the Waukegan celebra  [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
  obsolete radio sponsors               [ "Art Shifrin" <goldens2@[removed] ]

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Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:32:56 -0400
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: LONE RANGER supporting voices

In a message dated 8/21/01 9:16:59 PM, [removed]@[removed]
writes:

<< Can someone post the names of the supporting actors on the LR and the roles
they typically portrayed?>>

Thunder Martin - was portrayed by Paul Hughes.

Clarabelle Hornblow - was portrayed by Elaine Alpert.  (Clarabelle's
predecessor Mustang Meg was played by Mary Barratt Healy who had directed the
1933 LONE RANGER broadcasts over Buffalo's  WEBR that starred her brother
John Barratt as the Ranger and Art Schmidt as Tonto.)

Your question is rather broad since THE LONE RANGER aired for more than two
decades and a number of cast members came and went.  There's a lot of
changeover between the late 1930s Earle Graser programs and the 1950s shows
featuring Brace Beemer with Fred Foy as narrator.  However, the 20th
anniversary show (01/30/53) is a good starting point since the cover page of
the original script (with cast credits) was printed in David Rothel's WHO WAS
THAT MASKED MAN.  "The Return of Cavendish" starred:

Brace Beemer: The Lone Ranger
John Todd: Tonto
Bob Martin: Dan Reid, Jr.
Paul Hughes: Thunder Martin
Bill Saunders: Butch Cavendish
Jay Michael: Captain Reid
Paul Sutton: Collins
Harry Goldstein: voice (a background Texas Ranger riding into the ambush)
Fred Foy: announcer/narrator

Rollon Parker and Harry Goldstein were probably the most versatile actors in
the cast.  Parker also understudied John Todd as Tonto and can be heard in
the role in the "Through the Wall" episode in RSI's upcoming collection, "The
60 Greatest Radio Shows that Transitioned to Television Selected by Walter
Cronkite."  That particular script was later redone for television during the
season when John  Hart starred as the Masked Man.

Most of the other voices change a lot from episode to episode in the
non-continuing roles.  Since the show aired thrice weekly, an actor might
play a villain one day and the sheriff or townsman the next.  Bill Nadel did
a superb job identifying the voices in the 60 shows included in Radio
Spirits' recent "The Lone Ranger on Radio" collection which I recently saw at
Sam's Club for only $[removed] (discounted from the $[removed] list price).
When Bill couldn't identify a voice I forwarded the cassettes to Fred Foy and
Dick Beals who helped finish the voice identifications.  Dave Holland (author
of the excellent Lone Ranger history FROM OUT OF THE PAST) tells me he's
having a lot of fun listening to the episodes while paying attention to the
published cast listings.

And of course, the collection also features a 64-page historical booklet by
-- ANTHONY TOLLIN . . . who is about to take a one-hour break from OTR to
watch a Charles Starratt DURANGO KID movie on the Western channnel . . . and
advises those who get the cable/satellite channel that it will be airing 24
Clayton Moore episodes in a 12-hour LONE RANGER marathon beginning 8AM EST
this Labor Day followed by the 1981 movie "The Legend of the Lone Ranger" at
8PM.  Hi Yo Silver away!

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:14:23 -0400
From: Vntager8io@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Longest [removed]

Hi,

As to longest sponsor of a radio series, how about Texaco's sponsorship of
the Met. Opera broacasts? Texaco has sponsored the Met. Opera broadcasts
since Dec. 1940 (according to Dunning) and still does so [removed] 61 years
later. Blue Coal's sponsorship of The Shadow lasted less than ten years.

Bryan Wright

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:14:25 -0400
From: Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Kay Kyser's Daughter

Kay Kyser's daughter Kimberly will be interviewed on Yesterday USA on
Sunday, August 26 at 8:00 [removed] Eastern.  She will talk about a documentary
film being made about her father and reminisce about life with her famous
father.   Also, that same evening Rudy Vallee is featured on Classics &
Curios.  For this and Old Time Radio around the clock "tune" in at
[removed].

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:15:54 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Local Stations Making Money

Bryan Wright asks,

With such brief network silences between shows (10-30 seconds) for
local stations to give weather, timechecks, or station ID, how did local
stations make money?

Well, one way I remember was in time checks.  Rather than just announcing
the hour, a typical time check might be,

"It's Eight O'clock, Gruen Watch time."

Many's the time I heard that kind of announcements.

Also, I'm sure that the local stations got some of the revenues from the
sponsor for carrying the shows.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:15:59 -0400
From: "Tim Lones" <tallones@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  WHIZ-Correction-Thanks

[removed]
     Thanks for the corrected info on [removed] does sound like the correct
date.(relying on faulty memory)

Tim Lones
East Sparta, Ohio

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:19:21 -0400
From: "jstokes" <jstokes@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR Products

"And remember that Bufferin acts twice as fast as aspirin.   Twice as fast
as aspirin."   Interesting that the tag line for this fast-acting product
was said twice!

Stevey Kallis -- I think I saw some Bromo Selzer at Walgreens this last
week!   Double check on that, pardner.  :)

And how about those old cigy butts slogans.   They still slice through my
brain --

"I'd walk a mile for a mild, mild Camel.  They're so mild they suit me to a
'T'."

"Pall Mall, famous of all king-sized cigarettes [removed]"

"Chesterrrrrrrrrrrrrrr   Fiellllld"  goes the jingle.  Has anybody heard the
naughty take-off by Jackson Beck on these (another name for cigs)?   I have
a copy.  :)

"How mild?  How mild?  How mild can a cigarette be?   Try Camels and see!"

"Travels the smoke.   And make it mild."

And the beat goes [removed]

Jim Stokes
NaturaLite Pictures,
producers of "There's Danger In Romance," shooting in New York City in
September.

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:19:25 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Chimes 'n' Cues

Mike Biel asks,

by early 1929 . . . the chimes would be rung by the studio
announcer (five notes for Blue and seven notes for Red)

This numbering is new information.  Have you found a contemporary source
in print for this or are you infering it from the station break
recordings that we have heard?

This is admittedly educated conjecture on my part, based on known
recordings of NBC station breaks from the 1929-30 period: the five-tone
chime you'll remember from the Edison WJZ aircheck of the "Light's Golden
Jubilee" broadcast from 10/21/29, and the seven-tone chime can be heard
on a Speak-O-Phone recording of the "Coca-Cola Top Notchers" program from
3/26/30, leading into a station ID for WEEI in Boston. WEEI was at that
time a Basic Red station.

While I've never found any contemporary print reference for any use of
the five-note chime, the two other programs I'm aware of which include
five-note variations are both Blue network programs from 1930-31,
offering additional circumstantial evidence that five notes were intended
as a marker for Blue programs. There *is* a passing mention of the
seven-note chime in, of all places, an essay by the writer Christopher
Morley entitled "On The Nose." Morely visited WEAF, WJZ, and WABC one
night in late 1929 or early 1930 and the resulting essay describes the
importance of split-second timing in broadcasting (the essay was
commissioned by the Hamilton Watch Company, and was published by them as
a two-page spread in Collier's and the Saturday Evening Post in October
1930.) During his visit to WEAF, Morley describes witnessing the
conclusion of a "Soconyland Sketches" program and mentions that after
reading the closing signature the program announcer "taps his little
chime seven times."

Oddly, the one exception I've discovered to the use of the
specified-location studio cue in this period was "Amos 'n' Andy,"
which closed with "This program has reached you from the studios
of the National Broadcasting Company" without mentioning that it
originated in Chicago -- apparently NBC wanted to keep up the
illusion of the program originating in New York, but couldn't
come right out and lie about it on the air.

Did they say "from the studios of the National Broadcasting Company"
during the early years of A'n'A when those WMAQ studios were in CBS
territory?  Or did they add that only when NBC took over WMAQ?

That's still a big question mark. Although NBC opened its Chicago studios
at Merchandise Mart in 1930, Correll and Gosden continued to broadcast
from their tiny studio on the twenty-fifth floor of the Chicago Daily
News Building until NBC finalized its purchase of WMAQ in the fall of
1931. None of the A&A scripts include the opening and closing continuity,
so it's been a real challenge to try and track down exactly how the
program opened and closed during its prime years -- and so far no
documentation has been located to positively confirm what cue was used
during the first two years of the program's network run. (I do, however,
have evidence of how the show *opened* during this period -- Bill Hay
would simply announce the date: 'Wednesday, August 22nd. Amos 'n' Andy,
in person,' followed immediately by the theme music. The 'In Person'
reference was intended to make it clear to listeners that the program was
now being broadcast live, and was no longer being aired from syndicated
recordings.)

The earliest positive proof of A&A's closing continuity is a poor-quality
recording of the 3/24/32 episode, which closes with "This program has
reached you from the NBC Studios," followed immediately by the three-note
chimes. The city-specific "studios" cue was still in use as late as
December 1931, as evidenced by a surviving Eddie Cantor Chase & Sanborn
Hour from that month, so either the city name was being intentionally
omitted from A&A or this is some sort of transitional form. ("This is the
National Broadcasting Company" was in use by May of 1932, as evidenced by
the surviving Jack Benny program of that date.)

There is reason to believe that the omission is intentional: there exists
a few seconds of a "Little Orphan Annie" broadcast dating to early 1932,
roughly contemporaneous with the A&A recording mentioned above -- and
this recording *does* mention the Chicago studios in the system cue. As
hundreds of Radio City bureaucrats over the decades can confirm, NBC did
nothing without a specific reason -- so there has to be a reason why this
omission was made.

It can be noted that Correll and Gosden went to considerable length in
their scripts to create the illusion that Amos and Andy were actually
*in* New York, even down to frequent discussion of the local weather
there and minor developments in local New York City news. The 1929
relocation of the characters from Chicago to New York was something the
network insisted on when the series shifted from syndication to NBC, and
this being so it seems most likely that the network would have made an
effort to keep up the illusion to whatever extent possible, even down to
a seemingly minor matter like altering their standard system cue.

Elizabeth

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:20:12 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Making Money

On 8/22/01 2:34 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

how did local stations make money on
national network shows? I would assume that the time between network shows
would not have been long enough to insert a local commercial announcement.
Would the sponsor of a network show have to pay a certain amount to all
stations on the chain airing its show?

That's essentially it -- stations receieved compensation from the
networks for carrying sponsored programming, with the fees worked out
according to a complicated formula specified in the affiliation contract.
This was a real "devil's bargain" -- the stations basically ceded control
of their schedules to the networks in exchange for a guaranteed income,
and ended up becoming wholly dependent on this network money for their
survival. The smaller the affiliate, the more dependent it was. When the
networks made across-the-board cuts in these payments in the early 50s,
stations couldn't survive as they had been going for the past two
decades. With not enough money coming in from network fees, the stations
had to drop network programs in favor of locally-sold programming -- and
that, in short, is what killed the OTR Era: -- the smaller the payments,
the less incentive to carry the programs, and the fewer stations clearing
the programs, the less incentive to produce them.

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:20:16 -0400
From: Ben Ohmart <bloodbleeds@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  John Dunning's email?

Anyone have his email? I tried accessing his site, but
it requires a password. How does one get the password?
Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:20:35 -0400
From: "stephen jansen" <stephenjansen@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Quiet Please scripts/The Clock

Subject:  Quiet Please- scripts

Does anyone know if scripts exist from any of this series missing
episodes? Also, would anyone know if there were ever any re-enactments
of any episodes done?  --Dan

     Yes, there are many scripts available from this great series - I
believe 15 (all of the missing episodes) are available.  Check with the
SciFiGuy ([removed]).  And yes, I know of a re-enactment currently
being done of the episode "The Motive".  I can't say any more about that
right now.
     I think that there are also about a half-dozen (lost episode) "Clock"
scripts.  In the SciFiGuy catalog, he shows that there were 82 episodes of
The Clock produced, 59 episodes are available.  Made in Australia except for
the last 13 weeks, which were made in Hollywood.  Only 4 episodes exist of
the Hollywood run: 3/4/48 "Nicky", 4/25/48 "Bad Dreams", 5/2/48 "Bank
Holiday", and 5/9/48 "Liz".

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:23:59 -0400
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  JIMMY BLADE

Mid '40s Chicago pianist, Jimmy Blade, had a nightly 15-minute show on
WMAQ.  Are there any tapes or air-checks of this show?

            Sandy Singer
    A DATE WITH SINATRA
   [removed]

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:24:27 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: A-N-A-C-I-N

Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:33:00 -0400
From: otrbuff@[removed]
Subject:  A-N-A-C-I-N

Arlene Osborne questions why we don't hear of neuritis and neuralgia any
more, and did we ever know anyone who suffered from them?  I guess I can't
answer either other than to allow that marketing attempts moved on
to focus elsewhere.  Can't say I ever knew a sufferer by those
maladynames, either.

  I've never had this either, but I do have a dictionary.  :)
  Mr Webster in 1977 has this to say:
  neuralgia: n, Acute paroxysmal pain radiating along the course of one
or more nerves, usually without demostrating changes in the nerve
structure.
  neuritis: n, an inflammatory or degenerative lesion of a nerve marked
esp. by pain, sensory disturbances, and impaired or lost reflexes.
  Joe (I'm not a doctor but have played doctor a few [removed])

--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:31:47 -0400
From: "jay ranellucci" <jayran33@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Obsolete OTR Products

Hi again all,

Kenneth Clarke mentioned some old and no longer made products.
Here are a few more to consider.  Kelloggs PEP, Roma Wines, Petri Wines,
DUZ, (Remember it did everything), Spry, Crisco, and Snowdrift. Also
Rinso.  I believe Oxodol is still with us somewhere. And what about Adam's
Pepsin Chewing Gum? Horlick,s Malted Milk? Molle Shaving Cream, Kolynos
Tooth Powder, Teel Dentifrice, Lux Soap. Do you remember the way
announcers mentioned Ipana Toothpaste and Sal Hepatica?  "Ipana for a
healthy smile and Sal Hepatica for the Smile  of Health". At least it was
something like that.  And then the comedians had a field day with "SERUTAN"
because it spelled nature backwards. Also in later years "HADACOL" and
"GERITOL".  And there were other brands of tooth powders and brushless
shave creams too numerous and maybe best forgotten

  Thanks  JR

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:31:51 -0400
From: Marklambert@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  WHIZ and Capt. Marvel

One person says WHIZ went on the air in 1924,
another says 1940.  I don't know which is correct,
but I do know that Whiz Comics featuring Capt.
Marvel began in February 1940.  I just leafed through
the first three or four years worth of Captain Marvel
comics (courtesy of DC Comics' "SHAZAM! Archives,"
Vol. 1 and Vol. 2); although Billy Batson is a radio reporter
from the first issue, none of the comics I looked at
referred to the station at which he worked.  That must have
come later in the comic series, but I'm not sure when.
So, whether the real WHIZ started in '24 or '40, it
existed before the comic book one.

--Mark
Mark Lambert
[removed]

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:31:53 -0400
From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Actresses

I have been intrigued by the recent listings of favorite and/or most
talented radio       actresses, and I would like to know what criteria
were used in making these selections.

Harry Bartell

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:32:14 -0400
From: SacChief@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  chimes

I began my brief and undistinguished announcing career at KMJ in Fresno,CA--a
50,000 powerhouse then owned by the McClatchy Company. As a high school kid,
I did some public service stuff and tried to learn enuf to get paid for
announcing, which I later did in the East Bay are of N. Ca. In any event, i
seem to recall that KMJ used chimes, and I think that KMJ was an NBC
affiliate. Eventually, the chimes faded away. I know that they were
originally used as  a prelude to Station ID's. Can anyone tell me what
networks used chimes, for what purposes, and for how long? Thx. bob keldgord

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:54:53 -0400
From: Elmer Standish <elmer_standish@[removed];
To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  The Shadow Magazine

At least I included the Lin this time!! ===> ELMER
- -------------------------------------------------------------
"THE SHADOW MAGAZINE"
Shadow appeared in over 300 pulp magazine stories! Now you can
download and read them for free!
URL: [removed]~deshadow/

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:54:48 -0400
From: JackBenny@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cancellation of the Waukegan celebration

Hi Dan Huges et [removed]

My apologies for not being very specific on the cancellation of Waukegan.
There were several issues that led to the decision to postpone it, which was
ultimately made by the Mayor of Waukegan.  One of the major ones was that
there was a chance that the statue would not be completed by the time of the
celebration.  Additionally, there has been a strike that was threatening
completion of the park itself where the statue would stand.  There were also
a variety of smaller issues.

All of this added up to a postponement being the best decision, and I support
the Mayor in it.  Mayor Drew has asked me to convey his apologies to those
who were planning on attending.

I have been working very closely with the City of Waukegan and the National
Comedy Hall of Fame on the arrangements for the celebration.  We will
continue moving foward with a target of April or May for the rescheduled
celebration.  The additional time will help us to insure that everything runs
smoothly, and that it is a celebration worthy of the man it honors.

Please let me know if you have any specific questions.  Thank you for your
understanding.

--Laura Leff
President, IJBFC
[removed]

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Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:54:46 -0400
From: "Art Shifrin" <goldens2@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  obsolete radio sponsors

Roma Wine
Pebeco Toothpaste
Packard Motor Cars

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