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[removed] Digest				Volume 96 : Issue 493

Table Of Contents: 

	 Re: WENN Christmas Special -- VCR Warning!
	 otr never dies etc.
	 #OldRadio IRC Chat
	 Re: SILENT AVENGER script, favorite radio SHADOW
	 Re: PULP/RADIO WRITERS
	 Connie Brooks vs. Mary Richards
	 Career women on radio
	 Voice of Doom?
	 

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:12:16 -0600
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: WENN Christmas Special -- VCR Warning!
Message-Id: <[removed]@dlogics>
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"DAVE JEWETT" <davidrj@[removed]> writes:
>Just received this news release from AMC at the newspaper where I work, and
>thought I should share the gist of it:
>
>"American Movie Classics brightens this year's holiday season with the
>premiere of an original one-hour Christmas program on Saturday, Dec. 21 at
>9 [removed] (EST).

Just a postscript for those planning to tape this for later viewing:
According to our TV Guide for the Chicago area, the actual starting
time for this episode is 8:05 [removed] (CST). It might be a good precaution
to set your VCR to continue taping through at least 9:05 (CST) just in
case.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@[removed]
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 17:04:37 -0600
From: Cockrum <bcockrum@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: otr never dies etc.
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Wow! I've seen some really clever completions of the phrase "Old time
radio never dies, it just ..." and several of them coming from single
authors. I've racked my brain since the original posting and haven't
been able to come up with more than "OTR never dies, it just repeats
itself in three hours for the West Coast." 

	Oh, well. I was interested in Joe Andolina's comment about the Canadian
all-news radio station promo about not even carrying OTR. I suppose it's
been a matter of discussion here before, but if most OTR is presented as
I have heard it -- with today's commercials inserted in place of the old
... or the shows are unceremoniously interrupted (a la the series
Freeberg hosts now)to play commercials, then I really don't see how
anybody can enjoy the orignal programs. I know they can't appreciate
them to the fullest. When I lived in Denver in the '70s and John Dunning
("Tune in Yesterday") had a weekly two-hour retrospective, he played the
entire show. Later when I returned to Texas, I had a similar program in
which we carried the original commercials -- with plenty of disclaimers,
of course, when we had a show that contained cigarette commercials. I
guess I'm just a stickler for historical perspective. That's why, when
CBS Mystery Theater came along, I recorded the entire show rather than
try to delete the commercials. In fact, I started my tape at the top of
the hour with NBC News -- KOA in Denver was an NBC affiliate, but
carried Mystery Theater after KLZ (CBS) declined it. It's something to
listen to those tapes now and hear how the search for Patty Hearst
dominated the [removed], of course, the war in Vietnam.

Everyone have a Merry Christmas. I'm going out now to finish up my
shopping ... I'm getting a friend a new wallet ... no, maybe a paint set
... or shoelaces ... but then, he'd probably enjoy some dates stuffed
with nuts ... maybe the plain ones would be better .....

Bob Cockrum

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 15:40:35 -0800
From: lois@[removed] (Lois Culver)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: #OldRadio IRC Chat
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Can anyone that uses iChat ( a plugin for netscape) tell me what I need
to do to Chat on starklink with the OTR fokes?

1) I installed the plugin
2) I went to Lou Genco's WWW page and clicked on #oldradio chat
3) ichat comes up and I get connected to [removed]
4) I type in /join #OldRadio
5) It does nothing and times out.

Do I need to switch to another starlink site? if do how?
Do I need to set something else up?

Thanks :)
cdandrea@[removed]

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If you were already at a [removed] site, you were doing great!
When you joined #OldRadio -- was it on a Thursday night for the meeting
night?  If not, you may just have gotten there when no one else was in
[removed] if you just sat and waited, it would time out.  While there are
people in the channel off and on during the week, it is hit or miss.  ( I
was there right now on a Friday afternoon and there were 4 of us).  Try
again on THursday evening 8 PM EST and see if you dont find about 12 - 14 at
least in there at one time.

If you happen to mistype the name of the channel at any time, you will find
youself [removed] check to be sure you typed /join #OldRadio.
Occasionally you will find that the server splits off and it's possible tht
you got caught in a split.  Either hang on and see if you join up, or go out
and join up again.  

Hope some of this is [removed] would welcome you to the channel!

Lois Culver

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 18:53:33 -0500
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: SILENT AVENGER script, favorite radio SHADOW
Message-ID: <961220185149_743431228@[removed]>

Andrew Rodreguez asks if Orson Welles had anything to do with the script for
"The Silent Avenger."  Almost certainly NOT!  Welles devoted about an hour a
week (tops) to his SHADOW broadcasts, sending his assistants Richard Wilson
and William Alland to read his lines and mark up his script during
rehearsals.  Welles himself didn't arrive until right before the recording
session and usually performed magic tricks or practical tricks until airtime
rather than study his pre-marked script.  Basically, Orson "phoned in" his
part on THE SHADOW.  I included a Welles quote on my "VOICES FROM THE
SHADOWS" GAA documentary where Orson remarks that he had no idea how he'd get
out of the well etc. when he fell into a deathtrap on the series.  Sorry, but
Welles had no time to participate in the plotting of SHADOW scripts; he was
far too busy directing rehearsals and acting on Broadway in his Mercury
Theatre at the time, and also acted in about 20 radio shows each week to
bankroll his stage company.
     To my taste, Frank Readick was the finest SHADOW and the only actor to
play the role with an etherial, shadowy quality.  Of course, this is based
only upon his surviving openings and closings (which open and close all the
Orson Welles SHADOW programs since Welles was never able to master the laugh,
and because Readick's performance in the signatures was clearly superior to
anything Welles would have [removed] Readick's "Who knows what evil"
with Welles own rendition (lifted from a 1960s TV appearance on LAUGH-IN) on
my GAA SHADOW documentary and one can see that there is no comparison between
the two).  By the way, radio critics at the time did not consider Welles'
SHADOWY performances to be equal to his predecessors.  I have to agree with
them.  
     My favorite of the radio Lamont Cranston/Shadows is Bill Johnstone who
played the role with a mature authority.  Bret Morrison  was perhaps a better
radio actor during his years as THE SHADOW (though Johnstone later developed
into a wonderful character actor during his California tenure) but Bill
Johnstone was (I think) better suited to the role vocally (a baratone
compared to Morrison's natural tenor).  Bret did an exceptional job following
in Johnstone's audio footsteps, but it was Bill who set the tone for the
performers who would follow.   Through no fault of his own, Orson Welles had
the luck to have the finest and most imaginative scripts, prepared under the
supervision of the brilliant Edith Meiser, and the finest supporting cast.
  Unfortunately, Welles' personal performances on THE SHADOW are not up to
the level of his supporting players or much of his own OTHER radio work--
ANTHONY TOLLIN

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 19:12:50 -0500
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: PULP/RADIO WRITERS
Message-ID: <961220190825_908937959@[removed]>

Charles Mazza asked if SUSPENSE's scriptwriter Emile Tepperman is the same
author who wrote many OPERATOR 5 (and  some of THE SPIDER) pulp novels.  Yes,
he's the same writer and he also wrote some INNER SANCTUMs in the early
1940s.  Many pulp writers were eager to move into the better paying fields of
radio drama.  Walter B. Gibson, author of 283 SHADOW pulp novels, also wrote
(ann/or co-wrote) the first season of NICK CARTER as well as CHICK CARTER,
BOY DETECTIVE, THE AVENGER, FRANK MERRIWELL, and BLACKSTONE, MAGIC DETECTIVE
and later appeared on-air as host of ABC's STRANGE.  Lester Dent wrote the
scripts for the 1934 DOC SAVAGE radio series, while Chuck Verrill (auther of
the BILL BARNES pulp novels) scripted the MANDRAKE THE MAGICIAN radio series.
 Jean Francis Webb and his wife wrote both pulp and radio, and Robert Maxwell
(writer/producer/director of THE ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN) and Robert A. ARTHUR
(ditto on MYSTERIOUS TRAVELER, THE STRANGE DR. WEIRD, SEALED BOOK, etc.) both
started out in the pulps.  All these writers saw themselves as "writers," not
"pulp writers" or "radio writers." -- ANTHONY TOLLIN 

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Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 19:09:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Elizabeth Thomsen <et@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Connie Brooks vs. Mary Richards
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

In a lot of ways, I think that Connie Brooks was a more liberated woman
than Mary Richards.  At the beginning of the Mary Tyler Moore show, Mary
is 30 years old (something like that) and is moving off to the big city to
start a new life after having been dumped by her fiance.  She hadn't
graduated from college and had no apparent career goals or plans, and just
sort of happens upon the TV newsroom job, where she is hired as a sort of
Gal Friday.  As the show develops, she is certainly dedicated to her job
and grows professionally, but from my perspective she was hardly a role
model of an independent woman.  Maybe this is because the show began right
around the time that I was graduating from college, and I remember
thinking what a sap she was, to have reached the age of 30 before
beginning a career, and then only as a result of rejection.

Connie Brooks, on the other hand, chose a career in teaching, got her
education and pursued her career with dedication.  She makes lots of jokes
about her salary but it's clear that she loves her job.  And, yes, she
certainly hopes to "land" Mr. Boynton, and had they married and had
children, she might certainly have given up teaching for some period of
time.  But those women who were teachers in the 40's and 50's who stayed
home to raise a family often returned to teaching [removed] didn't
become displaced homemakers because they had already attained a
professional identity, and I can't believe that Connie would have
abandoned her career, even if she chose to set it aside for a period of
time.  

Although, to be honest, I don't think Connie was all that maternal-- I
just listened to the episode where she gets stuck babysitting for three
little boys whose mother is in the hospital, and she copes, but not with
any sense that she's longing for motherhood herself!  Even her
relationship with her students is much more buddy than nurturer. 

Actually, I find her relationship with Mr. Boynton to be the most amazing
part of the show.  Connie is anything but a "Rules" girl, and she pursues
the Bashful Biologist with an interesting mix of humor and frankness.  I
love her frank comment to the audience in one show, where she says that
there is a rumor at school that she is "that way" about Mr. Boynton, and
that "if feeling _this way_ means that I'm _that way_, then I guess I'm
_that way_ about Mr. Boynton."  A woman comfortable with her own
sexuality, her independence, her professional [removed]

Elizabeth Thomsen

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 00:10:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "'A. Joseph Ross'" <lawyer@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Career women on radio
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> Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 09:35:17 -0500
> From: Robert Kirk <kirk@[removed]>
> To: [removed]@[removed]
> Subject: Single Career Women
> Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
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> 
> Even she was a newcomer. What about:
> 
> Ma Perkins (ran a lumber yard; wasn't she a widow?)
> Young Widder Brown
> Stella Dallas (seamstress; and single mother, to boot)
> 
> Not too yuppie were those gals. No glamorous reporters or ad execs,
> but more reflective of those who have to slug it out.

Come to think of it, there was Clarabelle Hornblow, a friend of the Lone
Ranger (and not to be confused with Howdy Doody's clown), a tough woman
who owned and ran her own ranch.

Then, of course, there was "Wendy Warren And the News."  And don't forget
Lois Lane on "The Adventures of Superman" and Dr. Joan Dale, Space Academy
astrophysicist on "Tom Corbett, Space Cadet."  And Wilma Deering on "Buck
Rogers."  And Tonga, the Assistant United Planets Security Chief on "Space
Patrol" (unlike Carol Carlyle, who didn't have a career, but was just the
Secretary General's daughter -- and maybe Commander Corry's girlfriend if
it weren't a kids show).

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A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                                      617/367-0468
15 Court Square                                   lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2573                    [removed]~lawyer/
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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 03:35:22 -0500 (EST)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Voice of Doom?
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>
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Here's a question sent to me - I have no clue on this.  Anyone?
Sounds more like something from the Serials to me.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 23:46:40 -0800
From: Joe Brenner <doom@[removed]>
To: mschmid@[removed]
Subject: A Golden Age Radio Question 


Hey, I happened to see you listed in the WBAI schedule (and with any luck 
I'll get to listen to your show when I'm out there on vacation next 
week), and I thought I would try bugging you with a Golden Age Radio 
trivia question I've been trying to pin down for [removed] 

As a college radio DJ here at KZSU, I've been calling myself "The Voice 
of Doom" on the air.  I'm pretty certain that this is a reference to an 
old radio villain, but I can't figure out what radio show it was [removed] 
Any ideas? 

Any idea where I could look it up even?  I've tried a few different books 
without any [removed] and the Museum of Television and Radio was pretty 
useless on the subject as well. 

My best guess is that this show was on the air in 1938. There's a 
reference to it of sorts in the movie "The Philadelphia Story", which was 
made from a 1939 play, and I know of another reference in a [removed] 
Wodehouse novel, also published in 1939.   

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Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 09:45:56
From: RKING63823@[removed] ()
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: 
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Please be aware that Bill is having  some very trying times.  We 
should all send Bill a donation to help him get back on his feet.
The otr clubs that benefit from the otr network should certainly
send their donations right away.  Please send your donations to:
William Pfeirffer PO Box 8746 Springfield MO  65801.



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