Subject: [removed] Digest V2007 #100
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Date: 3/28/2007 1:03 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2007 : Issue 100
                             A Part of the [removed]!
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                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Groucho's suit                        [ RAY <noho321@[removed]; ]
      3-28 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      FW: bad ILAM?                         [ "Barbara Harmon" <jimharmonotr@char ]
      Re: TCM                               [ Mike Thompson <mthomp86@[removed]; ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
      Re: the lost shows                    [ Chargous@[removed] ]
      Real Sound Effects                    [ Richard Fish <fish@lodestone-media. ]
      Re: TCM Programing - Boston Blackie   [ Don Shenbarger <donslistmail@sbcglo ]
      Eh Cumpari, Professor Munsick         [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
      "Golden Age of Radio" and "A One Nig  [ "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed] ]
      Keeping the Classic in TCM            [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
      Re: GROUCHO AND YOU BET YOUR LIFE     [ "Mary L. Wallace" <mlwallace57@hotm ]
      special cost saving at the REPS conv  [ "Walden Hughes" <walden1@yesterdayu ]

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    Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:18:24 -0400
    From: RAY <noho321@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Groucho's suit

>     Perhaps I can add a little  anecdotal something to the ongoing mystery
>     of the recording methods of "You Bet  Your Life" for what
>     it's worth

    by Michael C. Gwynne.

    may I add to an already wonderful story about
    Groucho:
         Yes, he did wear that same blue suit week after
    week and month after month. As a paige at NBC
    Hollywood (1957) I would see Groucho arrive with that
    SAME faded blue suit. The filming (not tape) went on
    forever as more than three contestants played the
    game. I remember the audience being there for an hour
    and a half each week.
         As for the cameras filming the show, there were
    six. Two were on the left of stage, two at center and
    two on the right. When a given camera ran out of film
    the camera next to it was used and the empty camera
    was reloaded. I never saw so much film used on a show.
    With that much film being used a lot of bits and
    pieces were used to create the most (thirty minutes)
    entertaining show.
    .....thanks again Michael for sharing your story,
    .....Ray Markham, "the old NBC paige"

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    Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:34:18 -0400
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  3-28 births/deaths

    March 28th births

    03-28-1871 - Willem Mengelberg - Utrecht, Netherlands - d. 3-21-1951
    composer, conductor: "The New York Philharmonic Orchestra"
    03-28-1888 - Jim Harkins - d. 10-24-1970
    emcee: "Song Writing Machine Series"
    03-28-1890 - Paul Whiteman - Denver, CO - d. 12-29-1967
    conductor: "Kraft Music Hall"; "George Burns and Gracie Allen Show"
    03-28-1892 - Philip Loeb - Philadelphia, PA - d. 9-1-1955
    actor: Jake Goldberg "The Goldbergs"
    03-28-1896 - Virginia Rea - Louisville, KY - d. xx-xx-1941
    singer: Olive Palmer "Palmolive Hour"; "Rubinoff and His Orchestra"
    03-28-1897 - Frank Hawks - Marshalltown, IA - d. 8-23-1938
    flying ace: "Roads of the Sky"; "Time Flies"
    03-28-1903 - Rudolf Serkin - Eger, Bohemia - d. 5-8-1991
    pianist: "Concert Hall"; "New York Philharmonic"
    03-28-1904 - Day Keene - Illinois - d. 1-9-1969
    writer: "Kitty Keene, Incorporated"; "Little Orphan Annie"
    03-28-1907 - Jon Dodson - Richland, MO - d. xx-xx-1963
    singer: (Member of the King's Men) "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "King's
    Men"
    03-28-1910 - Jimmy Dodd - Cincinnati, OH - d. 11-10-1964
    singer, songwriter: "Lifebuoy Show"; "Command Performance"; "CBS
    Radio Workshop"
    03-28-1912 - Frank Lovejoy - The Bronx, NY - d. 10-2-1962
    actor: Randy 'Lucky' Stone "Nightbeat"; Bill Weigand "Mr. and Mrs.
    North"
    03-28-1913 - Lucille Fletcher - NYC - d. 8-31-2000
    dramatist: "Columbia Workshop"; "Suspense"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
    03-28-1915 - Jay Livingston - McDonald, PA - d. 10-17-2001
    composer: "Hollywood Calling-George Fisher Interviews"
    03-28-1915 - Joel Murcott - d. 2-26-1978
    writer, director: "Tales of the Texas Rangers"; "Yours Truly, Johnny
    Dollar"
    03-28-1917 - Randy Brooks - Sandford, ME - d. 3-21-1967
    bandleader: "One Night Stand"; "The Kate Smith Hour"
    03-28-1918 - John Heath - Seattle, WA
    actor: "Sherlock Holmes"; "Murder is My Hobby"
    03-28-1921 - Dirk Bogarde - London, England - d. 5-8-1999
    actor: "A Christmas Carol"
    03-28-1922 - Paul Bartell - Milwaukee, WI - d. 2-19-2006
    announcer, disk jockey: "Blue Baron Show"; "Fox Club"
    03-28-1924 - Freddie Bartholomew - London, England - d. 1-23-1992
    guest: "Anchors Aweigh"
    03-28-1925 - Jerry Walter - Illinois - d. 2-11-1979
    actor: Gil Perry "Island Adventure"

    March 28th deaths

    01-25-1923 - Rusty Draper - d. 3-28-2003
    country singer: "Dude Martin's Radio Ranch"
    01-26-1905 - Maria von Trapp - Vienna, Austria-Hungary - d. 3-28-1987
    singer: (Trapp Family Singers) "Christmas Seal Sale"
    02-16-1902 - Leif Eid - Idaho - d. 3-28-1976
    nbc bureau chief: Washington, Ottawa and Paris
    04-16-1921 - Peter Ustinov - London, England - d. 3-28-2004
    actor: "Freedom Forum"; "Mitch Miller Show"; "In Any Direction"
    04-19-1913 - Sylvia Froos - New York - d. 3-28-2004
    singer: "Sylvia Froos Show"; "Fred Allen Show"
    05-05-1890 - Christopher Morley - Haverford, PA - d. 3-28-1957
    author: "Information, Please"; "Hallmark Playhouse"; "Studio One"
    05-28-1888 - Jim Thorpe - Prague, Indian Territory - d. 3-28-1953
    all around athelete: "Shell Chateau"; "Bill Stern Colgate Sports
    Newsreel"
    06-08-1902 - Elliott Jacoby - NYC - d. 3-28-1977
    composer, conductor: "Rudy Vallee Show"; "Maude's Diary"
    07-04-1909 - Alec Templeton - Cardiff, South Wales - d. 3-28-1963
    pianist, satirist: "You Shall Have Music"; "Universal Rhythm"; "Alec
    Templeton Time"
    07-15-1905 - Dorothy Fields - Allenhurst, NJ - d. 3-28-1974
    lyricist: "Music for Millions"
    07-26-1919 - Virginia Gilmore - El Monte, CA - d. 3-28-1986
    actor: "The Ford Theatre"
    07-28-1914 - Carman Dragon - Antioch, CA - d. 3-28-1987
    conductor: "Maxwell House Coffee Time"; "Baby Snooks Show"; "Railroad
    Hour"
    08-24-1898 - Malcolm Cowley - Belsano, PA - d. 3-28-1989
    speaker: "NBC University Theatre"
    09-13-1918 - Dick Haymes - Buenos Aires, Argentina - d. 3-28-1980
    singer, actor: Dick Haymes Show"; "Tommy Dorsey Show"; Crane Dockery
    "I Fly Anything"
    09-18-1886 - Powel Crosley, Jr. - Cincinnati, OH - d. 3-28-1961
    owner of WLW radio station in Cincinnati
    10-14-1890 - Dwight David 'Ike' Eisenhower - Abilene, KS - d. 3-28-1969
    general, president: "War Production Drive Program"; "Let's All Back
    the Attack"
    10-15-1929 - Art James - d. 3-28-2004
    announcer: Armed Forces Radio
    11-16-1873 - W. C. Handy - Florence, AL - d. 3-28-1958
    jazz trumpeter, composer: "Cavalcade of Music";"Freedom's People"
    12-08-1888 - Raymond Lawrence - Bedford Square, England - d. 3-28-1976
    actor: "Escape"; "The Halls of Ivy"; "Pursuit"
    12-29-1904 - Wendell Niles - Twin Valley, MN - d. 3-28-1994
    announcer: "Bob Hope Show"; "Man Called X"; "Hollywood Star Playhouse"
    xx-xx-1883 - Al Swenson - Salt Lake City, UT - d. 3-28-1941
    actor: "Captain Diamond "Advs. of Captain Diamond"; Paul Hutchinson
    "Hilltop House"

    Ron Sayles

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    Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:05:59 -0400
    From: "Barbara Harmon" <jimharmonotr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  FW: bad ILAM?
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    Martin Grams is a prolific writer of good radio books, but he is not the
    final authority on the quality of all old radio programs.

                Are the missing episodes of "I Love a Mystery' ones that "suck"
    in his elegant phrase?  There are a large number of single episodes from
    various serials surviving, or sometimes perhaps a couple from the same
    serial.  Has anyone who likes ILAM (and it is not to everyone's taste, I
    admit) heard any of these perhaps twenty or so random episodes and who would
    not like to hear the rest of the serial? I personally do not know of a
    person who has heard an episode of "Bride of the Werewolf" or "My Beloved is
    a Vampire" or any of the others who said "What a dull story - I wouldn't
    want to hear any more of that!"

                Of course, some shows are better than others.  But it is
    profound "sour grapes" to say the "lost" shows are not worth having.

                The fact that these shows are not now obtainable, like the
    sunken treasures of the Titanic, should make us appreciate the ones we have
    all the more, and sing the common man genius of Carlton E. Morse higher.
    The faint possibility  that more may be found gives us something to hope
    for, like a more earthly search for a popular arts Holy Grail.

                -- JIM HARMON (using Barbara's email domain)

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    Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:06:32 -0400
    From: Mike Thompson <mthomp86@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: TCM

    Martin wrote:

>     Here's an example:  During the first three days
>     of March, the following
>     aired on Turner Classic Movies:

>     Dead Poets Society (1989)
>     Purple Rose of Cairo (1985)
>     Diner (1982)
>     Four Weddings and a Funeral (1994)
>     The Front  (1976)
>     Sounder (1972)
>     Breaker Morant (1980)
>     Sense and Sensibility (1995)
>     The Elephant Man  (1980)
>     Awakenings (1990)
>     Stand By Me (1986)
>     Silence of the Lambs (1991)
>     Quiz Show (1994)
>     Crimson Tide (1995)

    While I definitely support sending letters to TCM
    expressing your desire to keep old movies on the
    schedule, I wouldn't read *too* much into this,
    considering when these movies aired. For years, TCM
    has aired "31 Days of Oscar" each year, when they turn
    over their schedule to nothing but Oscar-nominated
    movies and shorts. Newer movies are frequently
    included in the lineup. They used to do the Oscar
    stunt in March, but when the Oscars were moved to
    February, TCM moved their Oscar month too. They still
    kept it 31 days, though, so that means the Oscar
    programming extends to the first three days of March
    each year. I believe most, perhaps all, of those
    movies you listed were at least nominated for Oscars.

    Don't get me wrong, TCM does seem to air non-classics
    a bit more often these days, and I definitely would
    encourage sending mail to them saying how much you
    like the old movies and how you hope TCM continues to
    air them long into the future. But I wouldn't press
    the panic button quite yet. TCM has always diverted
    from the norm a bit during Oscar month, and now that
    it's over I think things'll settle down.

    Mike

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    Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 02:12:01 -0500
    From: charlie@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

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    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
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    over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
    of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
    real-time OTR talk!

    Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
    others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
    range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
    it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
    it's always a good time!

    For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
    week and every week!

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    Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:39:55 -0400
    From: Chargous@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: the lost shows

    Per Martin's post, I've read a lot of the complete storylines in script
    form - some of them are quite good, Murder on February Island, The Case of
    the Transplanted Castle.  I wouldn't mind hearing The Case of the Terrified
    Comedian, Murder Hollywood Style,  or even The Thing That Wouldn't Die,
    which isn't one of the more popular episodes.  Bride of the Werewolf, of
    which one exists, is pretty cool.   I liked Incident Concerning Death and
    Murder is the Word For It too.

    Martin does have apoint, there's some mediocre storylines, and even bad
    ones.  Although I've only read a couple episodes of Turn of the Wheel -
    that was pretty bad.

    For some reason, Stairway to the Sun has long been a Holy Grail of
    ILAMS.  I don't know why - in my opinion, it's one of the worst ILAMs ever
    made.  Hermit isn't too hot either.

    Martin's probably right - NBC/CBS ones are more likely to turn up. The NBC
    one is the one I found.   I don't see a whole lot of instantaneous lacquers
    of Mutual shows, I have only a handful of any series.

    		Travis

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    Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:40:07 -0400
    From: Richard Fish <fish@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Real Sound Effects

    What a fascinating thread!  Recording audio plays on location has become
    a recognized technique today, but using this method in live broadcasting
    is not as rare as I thought -- and goes back a lot farther, if you count
    the Golden Spike!

    I can contribute one example:  Norman Corwin did this in his play "El
    Capitan and the Corporal."  The soldier and the girl get off the train
    during a halt in a big-city station, and there's a delightful sequence
    where they forget which track their train is on, and have to run up and
    down stairs to find the platform. Norman used the stairway just outside
    his studio at CBS, putting a mic at the top and another at the bottom,
    and had the actors (Joe Julian & Katherine Locke) run up and down the
    stairs while delivering their lines. It sounds great!

    Back in the mid 80s, Vanessa Whitburn and the late Mark Decker from the
    BBC told me they often taped or broadcast radio theatre from studios
    arranged for this kind of thing. For a drawing-room scene, they'll put
    chairs, a sofa, a coffee table etc. around like a sitting room. The
    actor playing a servant will actually carry in a tea-tray, and the
    actors will pour tea, clink spoons, etc. etc. while playing the scene.

    There are a number of modern productions which have been RECORDED
    outside the studio, often with a single microphone used like a movie
    camera. Done properly, the results can be spectacularly good. But for a
    live broadcast, I always thought this was considered just too risky. If
    you get a plane flying over, a dog barking, a siren passing, or a drunk
    wandering through -- well, you get the idea. If you're recording, you
    can always holler "cut!" and "take two!" when the problem goes away. But
    if you're live on the air, the lyrics to that song the drunk is singing
    might give Aunt Fanny in Peoria the galloping fantods.

    But it seems like this sort of thing was done by a number of people, and
    I'd really like to know if there are any other examples of live radio
    plays where the microphone was outside the studio, or where the actors
    made their own sound effects as they played the scene.

    Many thanks for bringing this up!

    Richard Fish

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    Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:41:12 -0400
    From: Don Shenbarger <donslistmail@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: TCM Programing - Boston Blackie

    3/27/2007, Martin Grams wrote:

>     ...take a moment and write a letter to Turner Classic Movies,
>     telling them you don't want to see BATMAN RETURNS or GROUNDHOG DAY
>     when you turn to their channel.  You want to see Boston Blackie
>     movies with Chetser Morris, the Harold Peary GREAT GILDERSLEEVE
>     movies, the LUM AND ABNER films, PHILO VANCE [removed]

    Writing a letter is a good idea, but I would say it's more meaningful
    to support the TCM programming concept than to pitch for Boston
    Blackie type films to the exclusion of other films. I believe it
    would be better to avoid negative comments. No matter what else you
    say, people seem to see the *don't* and *not* words first and it sets
    an unfavorable tone. So I say avoid the hard sell language. Give them
    a couple of cookies they already know and they will get the idea you
    are their kind of folks. Then make your pitch low key.

     From my viewpoint, it is more constructive to simply say you enjoy
    watching TCM where many of your favorite films are shown. You like
    Robert Osborne's stories about the films. And you liked the Boston
    Blackie films shown recently and would like to see more of those
    kinds of films.

    Don

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    Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:02:21 -0400
    From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Eh Cumpari,  Professor Munsick
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    I knew my fellow New Jersey-born OTR fan Lee Munsick wouldn't diappoint us. He
    truly stood up to the plate in rebutting the ever eternal question "Did Arthur
    Godfrey really fire Julius La Rosa on-air?" However, for the sake of Lee's
    typing fingers, I'd like to recommend that his epistolary musings be keyed
    into an FAQs folder either on the home pages for The Nostalgia Pages or for
    any other OTR website that might consider hosting such. I'm aware that Snopes,
    the website that dispels "urban legends," does address the notorious Uncle Don
    Carney and Joseph Cotten/Sonny Tufts "incidents." Maybe they can address the
    Godfrey/LaRosa affair and offer Mr. Munsick's discourse. Dare I say it, but
    perhaps Lee's recent postings can be submitted to the much-maligned
    un-authoritarian Wikipedia for the "La Rosa, Julius" entry.

    Hey, Lee, when things quiet down and you've rested up enough, would you tell
    us the real story behind whether Godfrey really "buzzed the tower' at
    Teterboro Airport?

    Happy Passover and Happy Easter, everybody!

    Derek Tague

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    Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 11:05:00 -0400
    From: "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  "Golden Age of Radio" and "A One Night Stand
     with the Big Bands"

    The latest "Golden Age of Radio" programs with Dick Bertel
    and Ed Corcoran, and "A One Night Stand with the Big Bands"
    with Arnold Dean can be heard at [removed].

    Wach week we feature four complete shows in MP3 format
    for your listening pleasure or for downloading; two "Golden
    Age of Radios" and two "One Night Stands."

    We present new shows every week or so. The current four
    programs will be available on line at least until the morning of
    April 4, 2007.

     Program 46 - January, 1974 - Aldo Gisalbert (Part 2)

    Aldo Gisalbert, NBC studio engineer continues his discussion
    of the very early days of the NBC network.

    Program 47: February, 1974 - Larry Haines

    Larry Haines appeared in almost all of the major evening radio
    dramas, including "Gangbusters." He was often cast as a heavy.
    In 1951 he joined the TV cast of "Search for Tomorrow" as Stu
    Bergman, where he stayed for 35 years. During the same time he
    continued to work in radio, appearing in "X Minus One" and the
    "CBS Mystery Theater," to name just two.

    "A One Night Stand with the Big Bands"

    Program 43 - July, 1975 - Ray Beller

    Ray Beller was an Alto Sax player with many of the big bands,
    including Will Bradley, Ray McKinley, Benny Goodman, and
    Stan Kenton, among others.

    Program 44 - August, 1975 - George Shearing

    George Shearing was born on August 13, 1919 in Battersea
    region of London, England and was the youngest of nine children.
    He was born congenitally blind.

    In 1947, Shearing moved to the United States, where he began
    to play in the genre of hard bop. One of his first gigs in the States
    was at the Hickory House. He performed with the Oscar Pettiford
    Trio and lead a quartet with Buddy DeFranco. Read more at our
    website.

    In the 1970's WTIC decided that there was a market in
    the evening for long-form shows that could be packaged
    and sold to sponsors. Two of those shows were "The
    Golden Age of Radio" and "A One Night Stand with the
    Big Bands."

    Dick Bertel had interviewed radio collector-historian
    Ed Corcoran several times on his radio and TV shows,
    and thought a regular monthly show featuring interviews
    with actors, writers, producers, engineers and musicians
    from radio's early days might be interesting. "The Golden
    Age of Radio" was first broadcast in April, 1970; Ed was
    Dick's co-host. It lasted seven years. "The Golden Age
    of Radio" can also be heard Saturday nights on Walden
    Hughes's program on Radio Yesteryear.

    Arnold Dean began his love affair with the big band
    era in his pre-teen years and his decision to study
    the clarinet was inspired by the style of Artie Shaw.
    When he joined WTIC in 1965 he hosted a daily program
    of big band music. In 1971, encouraged by the success
    of his daily program and "The Golden Age of Radio"
    series, he began monthly shows featuring interviews
    with the band leaders, sidemen, agents, jazz reporters,
    etc. who made major contributions to one of the great
    eras of music history.

    Bob Scherago
    Webmaster

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    Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:10:24 -0400
    From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Keeping the Classic in TCM

    Folks,

    I heartily second Martin's appeal for letters to TCM to keep them
    showing classic movies. There are so many links between OTR performers
    and old films that they don't even need mentioning. Does anybody
    remember when America Movie Classics (AMC) used to show, well, classic
    American movies? Those days ended long ago. Now only a small proportion
    of their product dates before 1975, and most of that has commercials
    inserted. TCM still manages to charm and wonder with their selection of
    wonderful films, many of which are not commercially available and have
    not been seen on TV in years. (Where else can you see so many radio
    stars?)

    Kermyt

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    Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:46:02 -0400
    From: "Mary L. Wallace" <mlwallace57@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: GROUCHO AND YOU BET YOUR LIFE

    Michael C. Gwynne's story about being at Groucho's house was fascinating
    except for:

>     Groucho's wife Erin's

    Groucho was never married to the dreaded Erin Fleming. Otherwise, as I
    already said, the story was fascinating and thanks for sharing it, Michael!

    Mary Lou Wallace

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    Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:46:20 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <walden1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  special cost saving at the REPS convention

    Hi Everybody,

    if you are thinking about makeing  the trip up to the REPS convention this
    year, you might want to consider some of the special REPS has to save money
    on the trip, and fee.  Contact REPS at [removed] to ask for an
    Alaska code number to save money on airfare.  If you use the code on line
    you save 10 percent on your trip, and Alaska has a Spring Sale going on
    right now.  If you buy the complete two day package before the middle of
    May, you will save some more money too.  Take care,

    Walden Hughes

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