Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #163
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 6/1/2001 2:07 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                          The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                             Volume 01 : Issue 163
                       A Part of the [removed]!
                               ISSN: 1533-9289

                               Today's Topics:

     OTR and Napster                      ["Dandrea, Chris" <ChrisD@[removed]]
     North By Northwest Cast List         [Rkayer@[removed]                     ]
     Bernard Herrmann question            ["igsjr@[removed]" <igsjr@[removed];  ]
     OTR SLOGANS ON T-SHIRTS              ["Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
     Re: PATRICIA HITCHCOCK               [SanctumOTR@[removed]                 ]
     Re: MediaBay, Inc. Files Complaint A [Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];       ]
     OTR Notables                         [Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed]]
     Ricochets                            [Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed]]
     Missing Gunsmoke Shows               ["AVPRO" <avpro@[removed];       ]
     Jack (John Patrick) Costello         ["Donald P. Tuttle" <dobbsi5@[removed]]
     It's about profits, not copyrights!  [Eric Cooper <ejcooper2001@[removed];]
     Hitchcock humor                      ["Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm]
     Re: Missing Gunsmoke Episodes        ["Stewart Wright" <stewwright@worldn]
     David Goodis                         [Larry Gassman <lgassman@[removed]]
     The True Protectors of OTR           ["Doug Leary" <dleary@[removed];    ]
     Arlene Francis                       [otrbuff@[removed]                   ]
     Hitch on radio                       [Michael Berger <intercom1@attglobal]
     Mediabay Sues Napster                [Kubelski@[removed]                   ]

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    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:44:49 -0400
    From: "Dandrea, Chris" <ChrisD@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR and Napster

    Well it looks like [removed] Aka Media Bay is going after Napster for having Old
    Time Radio Shows on line. We all know that [removed] own the rights to every Old
    time Radio Show. It looks like the company is looking for some easy money to
    pull them out of the big hole that Media Bay is in. Media Bay is going for
    less then a buck and has a -$[removed] Earn/Shr rating.

    Look up Mbay on the Yahoo Finance.

    see link for more information.

    [removed]

    Chris

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    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 13:44:47 -0400
    From: Rkayer@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  North By Northwest Cast List

    A little off target [removed] a short bio on the cast members of this
    great movie was both interesting and helpful.

    I believe that one of the Chicago Policemen, Patrick McVey, played the part
    of Steve Wilson, crime-fighting editor, in the TV version of the OTR show
    'Big Town'

    Anyone have any thoughts?

    Bob Kayer
    rkayer@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:19:40 -0400
    From: "igsjr@[removed]" <igsjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Bernard Herrmann question

    Stephen Jansen wrote:

>     For anyone looking for the OTHER (missed) OTR notable in Hitchcock's
>     "North By Northwest" who was also in "Psycho", "Cape Fear", "Vertigo", and
>     "The Wrong Man" - he was also in Brian DePalma's "Obsession", and "Sisters",
>     and "The Seventh Voyage Of Sinbad" and "Journey To The Center Of The Earth"
>     and "The Day The Earth Stood Still" and "Mysterious Island" and "The Trouble
>     With Harry" and "Torn Curtain" and "It's Alive" and "Marnie" and "Jason And
>     The Argonauts" and "Citizen Kane" and MORE.
>          I am, of course, speaking of the great composer/conductor Bernard
>     Herrmann.

    Stephen, Stephen, [removed] could you POSSIBLY leave out the only
    Hitchcock film that Herrman PHYSICALLY appears in?  Namely, Hitch's
    remake of his own THE MAN WHO KNEW TOO MUCH in 1956.  He is the
    conductor of the orchestra at Albert Hall during the climax of the film.
    ;-)

    Ivan

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    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 15:49:59 -0400
    From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR SLOGANS ON T-SHIRTS

      I read with great interest the different reactions to the suggestions of
    OTR slogans on T - Shirts, and I would, if I may like to share this personal
    experience on this very topic

       About 10 years ago, my daughter, who is an air-brush artist, gave me two
    t -shirts she air-brushed for Christmas.  One was a Philco Cathedral radio,
    with the [removed]"you turn me on!" coming out of the speaker.  The other one
    was a silhouette of The Shadow (not the Logo, but a full figure with flowing
    cape) with the [removed]"Who knows what evil lurks?" above it and ..."The
    Shadow does!" below it.

       Well, shortly after "THe Shadow" movie came out, I was in Ocean City, and
    went into one of the many T-shirt shops on the Boardwalk, and lo, and
    behold, there were a number of T-shirts with The Shadow Logo on them and the
    words: "The Shadow Knows!"

       I took a closer look at the trade mark at the bottom of the Logo and it
    was Copyrighted by the studio that produced the picture.  I happened to have
    my Shadow T - shirt on at the time and the store owner wanted to know where
    he could get some like mine to sell.  I told him, "Sorry, buddy, this is a
    one-of-a-kind T-shirt!" They also had some of The Phantom, Buck Rogers, Dick
    Tracy, Abbott & Coste;;o and the Lone Ranger, which had the name of the
    Commercial distributor at the bottom of the Logos.

       These shirts not doubt have been in circulation for quite awhile, so
    obviously whoever is distributing them has the rights to do so.  But I do
    think that the idea of R OTR phrases, with an old Radio or microphone may be
    plausible (and a good item for OTR Conventions).
    Several years ago, I had my daughter make up a T-shirt for a door prize at
    one of our fund-raising meetings with the same Cathedral Radio and the
    [removed]"Return with us now, to those thrilling days of yesteryear!" coming
    out of the speaker. If an OTR Vendor had been there with that item, he could
    have sold one to every member!

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    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:15:38 -0400
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: PATRICIA HITCHCOCK

    In a message dated 5/31/01 12:45:33 PM, Martin Grams, Jr. writes:

>     His daughter, Patricia Hitchcock,
>     confessed that she did lots of NY radio and CA radio.  I only have one
>     recording in which she guessed on.  Part One (or is it part two?) of
>     SUSPENSE's "The Moonstone" from 1953 or 1954, which offered Patricia
>     Hitchcock in a small supporting role.  Does anyone have any other radio
>     shows she's in?  She's asked me once to find some but I have been
>     unsuccessful.

    I presume you know that she plays Barbara in THE LUX RADIO THEATRE 12/02/51
    rehearsal for "Strangers on a Train" (included in Radio Spirits' "Smithsonian
    Legendary Performers: The Best of Old Time Radio Alfred Hitchcock"
    collection).  --Anthony Tollin

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    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:15:55 -0400
    From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: MediaBay, Inc. Files Complaint Against
     Napster Inc.

    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];

>     MediaBay (read: RadioSpirits) filed a complaint against Napster,
>     asking it to, "filter out and effectively block our programs
>     from being traded."

    IF Napster's lawyers are sharp, this might be the best news to us.  It's
    become apparant that the only disclosure of just what they own would
    come during depositions around a lawsuit.  If we are lucky they might
    finally have bitten off more than they can chew and be forced to
    disclose EXACTLY WHICH shows are "theirs".

    Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 16:23:20 -0400
    From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR Notables

    It is easy to excuse Stephen Jansen for grouping "Cape Fear" with four
    Hitchcock films in his original post.    "Cape Fear,"  the 1962 version,
    may appear to some has having the look and feel of a Hitchcock film.

    But to suggest,  in the last OTR Digest,   that the answer to his question
    about an OTR notable in all of the films he mentioned,  is composer
    Bernard Herrmann, is the same as saying that  Herrmann's wife, Lucille
    Fletcher,  is in the radio play, "Sorry, Wrong Number,"  because she wrote
    the  script.

    I don't think so.

    Dennis Crow

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    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:47:17 -0400
    From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Ricochets

    At least twice Stephen Kallis has stated the rifle shots were ALWAYS
    followed by ricochets.

    I didn't remember it working that way so I checked with the man who recorded
    and managed sound effects for [removed] quote:

     Ricochets were always
    left to the discretion of the sound man. Of course, there were some sound
    men who used the effect more than needed, and often when it made no sense,
    but it was never demanded. I personally never used a ricochet to distinguish
    the difference between a rifle and a handgun, and neither did anyone I knew
    in sound effects.

    Harry Bartell

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    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:58:49 -0400
    From: "AVPRO" <avpro@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Missing Gunsmoke Shows

    Gene Mayo wonders where he may find some GUNSMOKE Shows he doesn't have.

    As far as I know, these shows have never surfaced anywhere and I have been
    gathering Gunsmoke material for many many years.  Of the 479 shows
    broadcast, we have all but 6.
          #02  05-03-52  "Ben Thompson's Saloon"
          #04  05-17-52  "Dodge City Killer"
          #08  06-14-52  "Jailbait Janet"
          #09  06-21-52  "Heat Spell"
          #10  06-28-52  "The Ride Back"   (A movie was made of this story)
          #428  06-19-60   "Homely Girl"

    Don Aston
    avpro@[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:03:14 -0400
    From: "Donald P. Tuttle" <dobbsi5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Jack (John Patrick) Costello

    can anyone give me any information or source thereof of '30-'40s nbc
    radio announcer jack costello (he "intoned" the name "john patrick
    costello" when signing off on the bishop sheen show.(pix, bios, etc.)
    thanks so much. my mother always told me he started at kfjm, an
    unaffiliated station in my home town of grand forks, nd.

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    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:45:41 -0400
    From: Eric Cooper <ejcooper2001@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  It's about profits, not copyrights!

    Thanks for allowing the topic, Charlie!
    Ok, let's do some math. Since I burn CD's for audio purposes (for myself
    only,NOT FOR SALE mind you!) I am mainly used to cost per half hour .
    The brand I get costs 50 cents, including case. So I can put two half
    hours on there at 25 cents each. for a 74 minute audio CD. Radio
    Spirit's lowest price on a CD that I have seen is about $[removed] per hour
    special sale price(corrections welcomed) or [removed] per half hour. That's
    $[removed] that RS gets per half hour program outside of the cost of a CD. (I
    know that there are many other costs involved, I am just putting this in
    simple consumer terms)

    That's also $[removed] that they are no longer getting from me ([removed]
    confess I once was an RS customer). Hence they are trying slowly to shut
    down any possible sources that I can obtain OTR from for 25 cents a half
    hour.  And we are not even talking about putting 650 MB of OTR material
    on a CD in MP3 format which would be of course FAR LESS cost per half
    hour to the consumer. Perfectly understandable why Mr. Amari is doing
    this. It's not about copyrights but about lost profits. Also perfectly
    understandable why I am obtaining shows the "illegal" way. It's called
    saving a whole lot of money to be able to enjoy many fine performances
    and good entertainment.

    Eric Cooper
    Mission Viejo, CA

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    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:15:20 -0400
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Hitchcock humor

    Steve's posting reminded me of something.  Anyone who has a copy of North by
    Northwest at home, replay the film again, and everytime you see a group of
    number (on a hotel door, cab door, lisence plate, etc.), add them up and
    you'll get 13.  Example: 472 is 4+7+2=13!  It isn't everywhere in the movie,
    but more than a couple times.  Hitchcock humor.

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    Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 21:46:35 -0400
    From: "Stewart Wright" <stewwright@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Missing Gunsmoke Episodes

            You will find information on these epsiodes at the Gunsmoke Phorum
    on Charlie Summers' Nostalgia Pages web site.  The Gunsmoke Phorum is one of
    many Phorum on favorite OTR shows that you will find at:

    [removed]

    Stewart Wright
    Gunsmoke Phorum Moderator

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:12:53 -0400
    From: Larry Gassman <lgassman@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  David Goodis

    Hi,
    I received a phone call from Jane Shaw of the British Film Institute on
    Wednesday.  I don't have any information for her but told her I would put
    the word out to see if anyone on the Digest can help her.
    Larry Gassman

    From: Jane Shaw <[removed]@[removed];

    -----

     Dear Larry

     Thank you very much for getting back to me. I am so
     relieved that you have email - it could have proved very
     difficult tracking you down by 'phone and I didn't want
     you to have the expense of calling us.

     Below is the message that Adrian dictated the other day.

     Many thanks

     Jane

     Dear Mr Gassman

     I am writing to you at the suggestion of John Dunning who
     kindly gave me the names of you and your brother.

     I am researching a book on the life and career of the
     American writer David Goodis. As you may be aware, David
     Goodis had a brief career in radio and - according to an
     interview he gave in the mid-1940's - he worked, at least
     for some time on Superman and Hot Paragon.

     I wondered if you know where I might be able to obtain
     tapes of these shows. I tried the MTR and they do not
     have anything and, as far as I can ascertain, none of the
     commercial sources, such as Radio Spirits, seem to have
     released them.

     Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

     Many thanks

     Adrian Wootton

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:14:01 -0400
    From: "Doug Leary" <dleary@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The True Protectors of OTR

    Nearly all of the legal discussion about OTR centers around copyrights and
    distributors. But a lot of the material they sell today would not even exist
    if it had been left up to the original rights owners to preserve it. I
    wonder if a legal case could be made that copyright protection expires when
    there are no legitimate copies to protect?

    Anyway, I would like to thank all the people who have spent so many years
    lovingly preserving and protecting OTR, long before its profit-making
    potential was rediscovered by modern-day distributors, who seem to be
    stampeding in on their white horses to defend the ancient copyrights.

    Many thanks to all of you for finding, cleaning and restoring old
    recordings; for scouring junk shops, attics and estate sales; for
    accumulating the knowledge and expertise to recognize valuable things for
    what they are; and lastly for making and distributing illegal copies,
    without which a lot of precious material would have been lost forever.

    Doug Leary

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:13:59 -0400
    From: otrbuff@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Arlene Francis

    Word has just arrived of the passing of Arlene Francis.  We discussed her
    some two or three weeks ago on this forum and her condition as an
    Alzheimer's sufferer.  Those who are familiar with her work can surely
    attest that she was due the many accolades that came her way.  Should you
    wish to write a note of sympathy to her son, Peter Gabel (the son of two
    notable radio/TV/theater/film performers, his father Martin Gabel having
    passed away May 22, 1986),  you may reach this university president at:
    pgabel@[removed].

    Jim Cox

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 09:34:39 -0400
    From: Michael Berger <intercom1@[removed];
    To: otr <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Hitch on radio

    Hitchcock  also  appeared twice in the early 1940s on the popular
    Information  Please  show,  and  revealed  himself not only to be
    extremely softspoken, but someone who admitted early on that "I
    never go to the cinema."

    Which  didn't  stop  him  from  answering  a slew of film-related
    questions on those shows.

    Michael Berger

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    Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 15:51:20 -0400
    From: Kubelski@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Mediabay Sues Napster

    And we thought this couldn't get any uglier, MediaBay finally found somebody
    with money to sue over Old Time Radio copyright infringement - Bertelsman
    allied file swapping service Napster.

    Rather shallow coverage from The Industry Standard follows:

    [removed],1902,26804,[removed]

    If anyone has more details on the specifics of the suit, I, for one, would be
    interested in them.

    Sean Dougherty
    kubelski@[removed]

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