Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #377
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 11/23/2001 9:03 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2001 : Issue 377
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: Looking for Rolf                  [ Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed]; ]
  Huge OTR Auction                      [ Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed]; ]
  Robert Arthur Delight                 [ "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@mynr ]
  Gunsmoke All of the Time              [ "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@mynr ]
  Today in Radio History                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed]; ]
  Re: Fibber McGee's "magic" radio      [ "Eric Cooper" <ejcooper2001@[removed] ]
  Later Great Gildersleeve shows        [ "John edwards" <jcebigjohn41@hotmai ]
  CBC 's "Night Camp"                   [ "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed] ]
  "And now the [removed]"             [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Milwaukee Radio                       [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Bob and Ray Ripoff?                   [ Grbmd@[removed] ]

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Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 23:58:01 -0500
From: Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Looking for Rolf

Ted's brother Bob remembered:

"Was just recalling some good (real) satire I used to hear late at
night
on KSL Salt Lake.  The lone performer was a fellow named Rolf Peterson.
The
era was my high school days after you had left for Aberdeen.  He did an
assortment of characters such as Mr. Trace Keener than Most Persons,
Dogwood
St. Bernard (did mock drippy poetry) and Tom Harmless on Sports (takeoff
of
Tom Harmon), and many more.

The character "Mr. Tracer Keener than Most Persons" is a Bob and Ray
routine, so either Bob is confusing routines or Rolf was stealing Bob
and Ray Routines"  Below is a listing from the Bob & Ray web site that
contains an example of the Mr. Trace routine:

<[removed];

Classic Bob & Ray: Volume 2, Selections from a Career: 1946-1976

Cassette 2 Side B (28:13)
    Finals of the Famous Bob & Ray Spelling Bee: II; Interview with
"Lawrence Welk";
    Adventures of Sherlock Sage ("Too Many Stings"); Interbureau
Coordinator Clyde L.
    "Hap" Watney (still no funding); Mr. Trace Keener Than Most Persons
(Poisoned
    Donut Case); Matt Neffer, Boy Spotwelder (Matt in a state of upset);
Steve Bosco
    (spring training report); One Fella's Family (By The Seawall); Wally
Ballou (movie
    premiere)

Gerry Wright
ZoneZebra Productions
San Francisco

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:03:13 -0500
From: Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Huge OTR Auction

OTR collectors may be interested to know that The Yesterday USA Radio
Networks will hold its annual Auction this Sunday, November 25, beginning
5:30 [removed] Eastern at [removed].

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:03:30 -0500
From: "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
To: "OTR DIGEST" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Robert Arthur Delight

That was a terrific article in digest by by Martin Grams, Jr on the
Robert Arthur Connection. I myself several years ago picked up some of
these Alfred Hitcock paperbacks used for a couple bucks a few years ago.
Many of them have short stories that were done on ESCAPE or Suspense. I
have one for instance ALFRED HITCHCOCK PRESENTS STORIES TO TURN IN YOUR =
GRAVE BY includes stories adapted for ESCAPE such as "TABOO" , "ACTION"=20
or on Suspense ("Footfalls", "Philomel Cottage").  It fun reading the
differences between story and listening to the adaptations done on Old
Time radio. I also enjoyed Mr. Grams' explanation of The Three
Investigators series that Robert Arthur was involved in. It only dawned
on me recently that The Robert Arthur here was the same one affiliated
with the Mysterious Traveler I read this series vividly as a teenager
when I only listened to Old Time Radio slightly. I enjoyed reading this
article immensely.

Mike Kerezman

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:03:42 -0500
From: "Mike Kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
To: "OTR DIGEST" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Gunsmoke All of the Time

I enjoyed Ron Sayles comments on Gunsmoke. Quite frankly there are
times when I am not in best mood and listening to Gunsmoke before I go
to sleep lifts my spirits in a way Inner Sanctum never would. In
particular the relationship and humor between Mr. Dillion, Chester, and
Doc is Great. I always thought the the stories in first two years by
Meston to be most gritty. Who can forget the "The Buffalo hunter"
However, I recently got a almost complete set of Gunsmoke and have been
listening to 1958 and 1959 and find shows obviously shorter but the
characters incredibly polished and fun to listen to not as much for bad
guys but for main characters. There one I just heard other night that
starts out with Chester madder than hay and looking for a Drummer who
sold him a hat that got stuck on his head so tight that Doc had cut it
off. By 1958 the humor between the characters is well
    I disagree with respect to FRONTIER GENTLEMAN. I enjoy both shows
immensely but I think FG provides more authentic view of the west with
lots of local color and interesting characters. There is sense of
sadness in the show that the trumpet theme reflects which points both
the closing of the American west and of Radio drama in general.
I agree Norm MacDonnell shows are EXCELLENT. I like Fort Laramie too.
There just enough human interest in it to keep from falling into weekly
Calvary chasing indians every week routine.

I also think Jimmy Stewart is excellent. I've only heard a few Six
Shooters. I too Wish he had done more radio. He might have been
interesting in some kind of detective show told in first person. Who
Knows.

Mike Kerezman

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:03:48 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed];
To: otr <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in Radio History

  From Those Were The Days --

1929 - Shirley Booth and Ed Gardner were married on this day. Miss Booth
was famous for her television acting role ("Hazel"); but we remember
when she and her husband played Miss Duffy and Archie on radio’s
classic, Duffy’s Tavern. She also gave an Oscar-winning performance in
1952 in Come Back Little Sheba.

1958 - One of the last drama programs on radio debuted. It was unusual
in that it followed the TV show of the same name. Have Gun Will Travel
was broadcast on CBS radio and starred John Dehner as Paladin. Richard
Boone played Paladin on TV.

  Joe

--
Visit my home page:
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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:03:57 -0500
From: "Eric Cooper" <ejcooper2001@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Fibber McGee's "magic" radio

'scuse me for protrudin' , as Andy Brown might say, but wasn't there a 25th
Anniversary of NBC show in 1951 in which that Magic Radio sketch was used
starring Fibber and Molly? Is that where it might have originated?

Eric Cooper

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:05:44 -0500
From: "John edwards" <jcebigjohn41@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Later Great Gildersleeve shows

Hi, First I'd like to say I've probably learned as much about OTR in the 3
weeks subscribing to OTR Digest as I have in  30 years of trading. I have a
question that maybe someone can answer.  There is a large quantity of Great
Gildersleeve shows in circulation (1941 -1954)but I recall the show running
as a 5 night a week 15 min. program (probably 1955) and then coming back as
a 30 minute show for another couple of years I believe.  Are any of these
shows in circulation?  I don't recall ever seeing any of the 15 minute shows
in anyone's collection.  These shows would not have been done live would
they. It just seems like the programs from 1955 to 1957 or so would be
likely to have been saved or at least airchecked.  Just wondered about the
show from late 1954 to whenever it left the air (probably 1958?)

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:08:25 -0500
From: "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: CBC 's "Night  Camp"

Years ago, CBM in Montreal (and the CBC Network, I'm assuming) aired "Night
Camp" as their final program of the day each weeknight.  It was a collection
of audio oddities, like vaudeville comedian Jerry Lester singing "Orange
Colored Sky" with his Broadway Open House music director and composer of the
song, Milton DeLugg or sometimes rare recordings and snippits of theater
dialogue.  Wonderful "camp" fun with a host that seemed to taunt the
establishment in a wry, Canadian way.  Would any of these radio shows be
available?

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:12:39 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "And now the [removed]"

Many, many, months ago, in response to a posting from a "younger" digest
subscriber, the following exchange took place.

When he asked if there was any reading material that might help him get a
"feel" for what life was like back in Radio's Golden Age, I mentioned a book
that I had just read (written by a good friend of mine), titled. "And now
the [removed]".

The concept of the book was to reconstruct, create and design brief
"Newscasts" (in capsule form), for each day of that incredibly momentous
year. The Author then made audio tapes of each days material, and in 1995,
he syndicated them to Radio stations throughout the county, so they could be
broadcast on the 50th Anniversary of those events. The stations played one a
day, (during 1995), and included a spot announcement promoting the sale of
the book. (Around 6,000 copies of the book were eventually sold)... With the
proceeds going to Charity.

When I realized that each newscast "page" (365 of them) not only covered the
major War News developments (Including Germany's surrender, and the eventual
Japanese surrender) but also contained a great many items about life on the
"Home Front".

It was a fascinating glimpse of the times, covering things like; what
durable goods, clothing, etc. was selling for back then, and included fairly
extensive news about what was happening in the "Entertainment" field. There
were also many references to the popular Prime Time radio shows of the day.
(Not on every page, mind you, but certainly enough coverage to whet the
appetite of the OTR fan).

I told the Author I was quite upset. He didn't mention the "Archie" show. :(

For the "youngsters" among you, it "fleshes out" what life was like back in
those days, and for us "Oldtimers" it's a trip down memory [removed] for sure.
I was only 14 at the time, and really wasn't paying too much attention to
the significant events and cultural aspects that our society was
experiencing back then, so it opened my eyes as well.

To make a long story short, I thought the book would be an ideal companion
piece for the dedicate OTR Fan's library, particularly if they happened to
be interested in what our World was like when many of the Classic Radio
shows were so popular. I contacted my Author friend (Herb Hobler) and
discovered that he only had 100 copies of the book left. He arranged to make
them available to me so I could offer them to the OTR crowd.

It took a long time for me to set up the distribution system, and get a
website operational so my fellow Digest subscribers (who might be interested
in buying the book) could order one. (I was having major technical computer
problems, which I'm happy to say have now been solved). Phew!

Simply go to [removed]  and you can learn more about the
book, and decide if it would interest you. The price and order form is
included on the site.

By the way, I asked the Author to personally autograph each copy.

Before getting involved with this project, I checked with Charlie Summers
first to see if he agreed with me as to the Books OTR Hobby tie-in, and
historical value, and he agreed with me.

Of the remaining 100 copies originally available, there are only 75 left.
The others were pre-reserved when I first brought the book to the attention
of Digest subscribers some months back. Now, it's "First come/First serve" .
Shop now and avoid the rush. :)

And if you don't enjoy the [removed] name ain't "Jughead". It's "mud".

Hal Stone

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:35:20 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Milwaukee Radio

I am a member of the Milwaukee Area Radio Enthusiasts (MARE) radio club. We
took it upon ourselves as a club to write a short (or long) biography on every
person who has ever worked on a Milwaukee radio station. At the very least we
are trying to get a birth date, if appropriate a death date, the stations that
they worked for and anything else that might be of interest. We realize that
it is a daunting task, but we have a decent start. We have got some of the
more famous, Stanley Morner (Dennis Morgan), Pat Barrett (Uncle Ezra), Johnny
Olsen, Tommy Bartlett and Don McNeill. Those were the easy ones because they
had extensive careers beyond Milwaukee radio. We feel that that anyone who
worked in Milwaukee radio should be recognized, however briefly. Is there
anyone out there who can help? Anyone who has lived in the Milwaukee area and
remembers or anyone who may have some reference material, anything that might
prove helpful. We would appreciate anything that might come our way.

Thank you.

Ron Sayles

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Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:35:46 -0500
From: Grbmd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Bob and Ray Ripoff?

"Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed]; wrote:

Was just recalling some good (real) satire I used to hear late at night
on KSL Salt Lake.  The lone performer was a fellow named Rolf Peterson.  The
era was my high school days after you had left for Aberdeen.  He did an
assortment of characters such as Mr. Trace Keener than Most Persons, Dogwood
St. Bernard (did mock drippy poetry) and Tom Harmless on Sports (takeoff of
Tom Harmon), and many more.

I don't know anything about this Peterson person, but I know that "Mr. Trace,
Keener Than Most Persons" was a regular feature on Bob and Ray's radio shows.
 (That's Bob Elliott and Ray Goulding.)   They did many takeoffs on "Mr.
Keen, Tracer of Lost Persons" and other popular shows of the day.

It sounds to me that this Peterson was ripping off these two comedy geniuses.
 Imitation is the kinder word.  Plagiarism might be closer to it.

Spence

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