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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 178


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 My Daughter, the Booksearcher
	 Re: NPR Service
	 Re: SOFTKEY 
	 NPR
	 Re: HOUSE OF MYSTERY
	 Cincinnati Broadcasting
	 Re: The "House of Mystery" & "Renfro Valley Gatherin'"
	 Black Mass
	 Quiet, Please
	 Well, [removed]
	 Horror Program Discussion
	 Re: Famous WJSB aircheck
	 Carlton Fredericks
	 Re:  Goon Shows
	 Cigars
	 MYSTERIOUS TRAVELER

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Date: Fri, 17 May 96 12:48:23 EDT
From: claughli@[removed] (Charles Laughlin)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: My Daughter, the Booksearcher
Message-Id: <[removed]@superior>

Every once in a while on this Digest, someone posts a note looking for
books on OTR related topics.  Each time I read one, I am inclined to
get on and give a plug for my daughter, The Booksearcher.  But each
time I think, well, she is my dear daughter and so I have a vested
interest in her success.  But now she's on the Web and I simply can't
contain myself anymore.  Plus I don't get a penny out of plugging her
service anyways.  She has found almost every book I have requested
from her, so she is clearly good at it.

So rationalizations [removed]  My daughter started a book search
business years ago and runs it like this.  You list the books you want
with her, free of charge.  If she finds the book, she tacks on a
modest fee and sends you a quote.  If you want the book, you send her
the money and she gets the book for you and sends it to you.  the only
money you pay is for a book she has found and you decide you want to
pay for.  That's it.  You can contact her by phone at 206-632-6993, or
on her homepage at [removed]  Simple
as that.  Her homepage offers an electronic order form and an e-mail
link to her.  Hope you find her as successful for you as she has been
for me.  Right now she's getting me old copies of Fran Striker's Lone
Ranger novels.

[removed]
Charlie
-- 
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Charles Laughlin                              Box 208
Department of Sociology & Anthropology        Wakefield, Quebec
Carleton University                           CANADA J0X 3G0
Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA K1S 5B6               Ph: 819/459-1121
E-mail: claughli@[removed]              Fax: 819/459-3537

o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

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Date: Fri, 17 May 96 11:14:42 PDT
From: <rdruian@[removed]>
To: <otr@[removed]>
Subject: Re: NPR Service
Message-ID: <[removed]+G6AblA@[removed]>

I'm taken aback by the comments stirred by the tongue-in-cheek suggestion 
that removing NPR's funding might be a good idea.  I, too, am saddened by 
several local stations changing their formats. When I lived in San 
Francisco, I experienced the change of KQED's format from mostly classical 
to "All News." I moved to El Lay, only to find that KCRW had moved from 
classical to "eclectic," and that KUSC had changed to the "new sound" of 
classical music, whatever that is. In all these cases, the changes were 
made by the local stations and not by NPR. In fact, NPR had been one of the 
leaders (and perhaps still is) in distributing some fine classical 
concerts. Rather, it's the local stations who have the gall to beg for 
money as they install programming that is good, but is so repetative that 
it's ultimately boring. Both "Morning Edition" and "All Things Considered" 
are repeated at least once daily, and many of the features heard one 
evening are then repeated the following morning.

I realize that there's nothing "old time" about this radio message, but 
like so many others around here, I just couldn't help myself and had to 
vent my spleen. I'm sure that if this thread is to continue, there's a much 
better place for it, but I'm afraid I don't know where.  Sorry to have 
mentioned it.

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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:32:39 -0400
From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: SOFTKEY 
Message-ID: <960517143238_493140371@[removed]>

Is there an EMAIL address for SOFTKEY?

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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 13:32:51 -0500
From: hhoward@[removed] (Henry Howard)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: NPR
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>> While there are MANY things to be frustrated
          with re: NPR (lack of foresight in programming, staidness)
          and especially the MADDENing aspects of CPB<<

Agreeded Michael.  I think the frustration expressed about funding comes
from the quasi
government attitude the quite often comes from NPR.  In this case, a
taxpayer made a 
lagitamate request for information, and was not given sufficient information
to obtain what
he wanted.  Sounds much like the post office until ups, federal express etc
started eating
their lunch.  Have you noticed a gradual improvement in postal service ?

I still remember sending a dat to Performance Today.  The dat arrived fine.
It didn't cost
NPR a thing.  But they called to complain that is wasn't packed with
sufficient material
to protect it.  That's gratitude.

When the customer be dammed, then the customer takes his business elsewhere,
unless
the governemt has a gun to his head.

+++++ Henry Howard == The Atlanta Radio Theatre Company +++++
+++++    [removed]   or/artc /audiocraft     +++++
+++++               Produced at Audio Craft  (770) 923-7955
+++++
======================================================= (2)

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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 14:43:38 -0400
From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: HOUSE OF MYSTERY
Message-ID: <960517144337_493147169@[removed]>

HOUSE OF MYSTERY WAS ON MUTUAL FIRST ON SATURDAYS THEN SUNDAYS
AFTER A SHORT SUSTAINING RUN. WE REMEMBER BEST, I THINK, FROM IT'S 
SUNDAY SHOWS AT 4PM FOR POST CEREALS. IT STARRED JOHN GRIGGS AS
"ROGER ELLIOTT" WHO TOLD SCARY STORIES TO KIDS AND REMINDED THEM TO EAT THEIR
POST-TOASTIES.  THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF BROADCAST INTACT. I KNOW OF ONLY
TWO IN OUR LIBRARY.

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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 18:06:35 -0400
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Cincinnati Broadcasting
Message-ID: <960517180634_493284048@[removed]>

Bob Braun & Dottie Mack did a pantomime show that was on network TV when I
was a kid. Dottie also did pantomime on Paul Dixon's WCPO-TV show; also on
the net. I adored Ruth Lyons when I was stationed in Dayton with the Air
Force. In the fifties, her partner was Willie Thall. You were very lucky to
have lived in WLW land in the fifties; it had the best television anywhere!
(I was in Cinti Sunday afternoon for its annual Appalachian Festival).

BILL KNOWLTON

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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 18:06:39 -0400
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: The "House of Mystery" & "Renfro Valley Gatherin'"
Message-ID: <960517180637_493284082@[removed]>

Roy, as I recall it, the show was on the air Sunday afternoons, before the
Shadow; I think on WOR in New York. John Griggs (as "Roger Elliott, the
Mystery Man") was the host, and the show debunked the supernatural. I met Mr
Griggs in the summer of 1960 when I worked in the box office of the sharon
(CT) Playhouse. Griggs, a collector of old silent movies, would show them on
Sundays. He spent the afternoon with a set of magic markers, drawing enormous
posters of the films he was about to show. He was fascinated that I, then 22,
remembered the "House of Mystery." He was a funny, cynical, vlustery and
colorful character. 

According to Buxton/Owen, it debuted on Mutual in 1944 as a kids' show!

BILL KNOWLTON, WCNY-FM "BLUEGRASS RAMBLE", SYRACUSE NY

PS: FYI: CBS dropped the "Renfro Valley Sunday Morning Gatherin'" in 1960.
Believe it or not, this show from rural Rock Castle County, Kentucky with
live country ballads and hymns never stopped airing; it's still syndicated as
a weekly 30 minute show. WJR, Detroit, is one of the major stations that kept
it going; I don't know if that's still true, however. It's real OTR and any
station can get it for free (barter). 

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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 15:40:06 -0800
From: dabell@[removed] (Alan Bell)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Black Mass
Message-Id: <v01520d04adc2bb853b03@[[removed]]>

MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]> wrote:

>I must take exception to comments by someone here recently
>regarding the series The Black Mass, which was produced
>not by the BBC, but at Pacifica station KPFA in Berkeley
>in the early sixties

I'll second your exception. I have two episodes of that series, both titles
you mentioned, and I'll have to say they are two of the most effective
horror dramas I've ever heard. I'm very surprised to hear it was produced
at KPFA, though. I'd always assumed, like most people I suppose, that it
was British. All those accents, I suppose. But The Rates in the Walls is
especially creepy. Not a good one for the faint of heart.

_____________________________________________________________________
ALAN BELL  3768 Sonoma Avenue  Santa Rosa, CA 95405  dabell@[removed]
=============================707-546-6988============================

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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:36:16 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Quiet, Please
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>Quiet Please: An extremely rare program, often exhibiting a strange
>stream-of-conciousness narrative technique. The best episodes of this show
>can give you nightmares. (As far as I know, only 18 shows exist.)
>

Actually, about 70-80 Quiet,Please episodes are circulating.

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Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          
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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 19:40:55 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Well, [removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>>Actually, the recording is not a BBC production to my knowledge. The version
>>I am familiar with was produced by Karl Schmidt, the producer of Earplay,
>>and came out of WHA-Madison, Wisconson. It was a fifteen part production >in 
>1/2 segments.
>
>Actually Jim, if you check the "SciFiGuy" catalogue (that I downloaded from 
>your website) you'll find BOTH the BBC and WHA versions of "A Canticle For 
>Liebowitz" listed for sale ;) ;)
>

My subject says it all, Bruce. Thanks for watchdogging me!!!

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Jim Widner                      INTERNET: jwidner@[removed]
Dayton, OH                      WWW: [removed]
COMPUSERVE: 74566,3041          
AOL: JimWidner                            

                                                 

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Date: Fri, 17 May 1996 20:21:36 -0600
From: aerickse@[removed] (Anna Ericksen)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Horror Program Discussion
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hello from New Mexico,

We  have a new internet service.  AOL is giving us many problems, especially
with 14400 modems, RPI, and their attitude.

Anyway, the discussions on the Horror programs is excellent and very
informative for those who are new to this hobby.  Now,  I am looking through
all of the OTR sources and trying to decide what to order next based on all
of the great recommendations.  I want this show and that [removed] Too many
choices!!  The information, however, being provided IMO is excellent and I
would recommend that it be placed on the web sight for the future new people
to this hobby.

Has anybody heard the Quiet Please show "Valentine"?  I listened to it
recently and thought that it was different from what I've heard about the
type of shows on Quiet Please.  Any comments.

If what we are doing on Horror programs can be expanded to comedy, mystery,
sci-fi, and [removed] what a resource base.

Great Group!

Thanks

Carl

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 02:27:49 -0400
From: stevecap@[removed] (Steven Capsuto)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Famous WJSB aircheck
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>wonder. Since so much programming from the high-priced vendors originates
>with reels in general circulation, are there other such "broadcast days"
>available from more affordable sources?

There are several nearly-complete days available from August 1945.  Everyone
the knew the war would be ending any day, and someone at one of the networks
(I forget which) had the presence of mind to keep recording till s/he got
the right day.  I remember seeing these in Dick Judge's MEMORIES OF RADIO
catalog years ago.  A decade later, I don't know where they're available from.

SPERDVAC has two 90-minute consecutive off-air recordings; one an NBC
daytime lineup from Xmas week in 1955, and a great CBS evening lineup from
11/58 (including GUNSMOKE, THE LINEUP, THE FBI IN PEACE AND WAR, a local
newscast and a 5-min. ROSEMARY CLOONEY show

You can also piece together nearly-complete broadcast evenings by combining
individual broadcast recordings from the same date.  I've reconstructed
several Sunday evenings from the late 1940s and early 1950s.  The most I've
been able to find from any one date is Sunday, November 7, 1948 (something
like 15 shows, though a lot of the script writing was bad that night).
___
Steven Capsuto, Philadelphia
stevecap@[removed]
WEB page: [removed]~[removed]

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 02:55:12 -0400
From: stevecap@[removed] (Steven Capsuto)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Carlton Fredericks
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

>Hmmm. I believe it was "Doctor Carlton Fredericks, PhD"   --with special
>emphasis on the "doctor." Although this doesn't fall into the classical OTR
>genre of pre-sixties, Carlton was a classic of a special sort and has a slot
>in radio history. Although maybe only for (ex-) New Yorkers.

Surely not ONLY for New Yorkers, as WOR has a reasonably strong signal.  As
a teen, I used to listen to him here in the Philly area, partly because I
was waiting for the CBS RADIO MYSTERY THEATER and partly because he sounded
exactly like Vincent Price, which lent a bizarre edge to his sermons on the
glories of lecithin.
___
Steven Capsuto, Philadelphia
stevecap@[removed]
WEB page: [removed]~[removed]

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Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 11:51:00 EDT
From: efoster@[removed]
To: rrb@[removed]
Subject: Re:  Goon Shows
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Text item: [removed]
KENPILETIC@[removed] wrote

>My total information about The Goon Show comes from listening to the
>programs in my collection, so I'm no expert.  In issue 167 it was pointed
>out that Spike Milligan and Peter Sellers were "all time champs for doing
>multiple characters".  There was a third Goon, Harry Secombe.  From
>listening to these shows it sounds to me as though all three are
>participating most of the time.  They did multiple characters, but three
>people can do more voices more easlily than two.  Perhaps some of our BBC
>listener-members could shed more light on this.


An excellent source of information on Goon shows is "The Goon Show Companion" by
Roger Wilmut and Jimmy Grafton.  Check out the Goon home page at [removed]
Dick Baker, who maintains that page, may have copies available.  He is also the
US archivist for goon shows and will make copies for $[removed]  Details are on
the web page.

>From the book:  Harry Secombe plays Neddy Seagoon and only a few minor
characters.  Peter Sellers plays Henry Crun, Hercules Grytpype-Thyne, Major
Dennis Bloodnok, Bluebottle and many minor characters.  Spike Milligan plays
Eccles, Minnie Bannister, Count Jim Moriarty, and quite a few minor characters.



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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 03:15:11 -0500 (EST)
From: JACKBENNY@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Cigars
Message-id: <01I4U3XEAFA090PLPD@[removed]>

And you have something in common with me.  I enjoy a good cigar on various
occasions.  True, the tobacco is deadly, but since with cigars you don't
inhale, you're at least getting a little less of it.  (At least that's what
I keep telling myself.)

George Burns made an interesting comment (which, knowing this crowd, is 
probably common knowledge, but [removed]) about his start with smoking on stage.
He noted that he started with the more expensive cigars.  However, there was
a problem.  The better cigars were more tightly packed, and would go out 
easily if you didn't puff on them pretty steadily.  "So," noted George, "As
you were talking to the audience, your cigar would go out.  Then when you
stopped to light your cigar, your audience would go out."  So George started
smoking cheap El Productos, which he maintained he did until the end of his
life.  I should know;  he gave me one of his cigars (and I have the stub of
another that he smoked).  Unfortunately, there's no band on it, so I can't
tell.  But I'm telling you, it's no Cohiba!!!

Unrelated comment:  for some time I had a postcard tastefully positioned on
my cubicle wall that had a woman saying, "I've read so much about the bad
effects of smoking, drinking and sex that I've decided to give up reading!"
Come [removed]'t be [removed]

--Laura Lee

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Date: Sat, 18 May 1996 09:59:26 -0700
From: PETER GRECO <pgreco@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
CC: pgreco@[removed]
Subject: MYSTERIOUS TRAVELER
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

HI,
  A FEW LETTERS CONTAINED QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MYSTERIOUS TRAVELER AND 
THE SEALED BOOK USING THE SAME STORIES AND IN SOME CASES JUST CHANGING
THE OPENING OF THE MT TO THE SEALED [removed] HAVE LISTENED TO A FEW OF 
BOTH [removed] WAS ONE SHOW TITLED "OUT OF THE PAST"IT APPEARED ON 
BOTH MT & SB .ONLY THE ENDINGS WERE DIFFERENT/ON MT THE WIFE WHO WAS 
DRIVEN TO A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN BY THE HUSBAND COMES OUT OF THE BEDROOM 
AND SHOOTS [removed] SB THE HOST RELATES THAT THE HUSBAND NEVER GOT THE 
MONEY BECAUSE HE WAS KILLED IN AN AUTO [removed] SAME STORY ALSO WAS 
ON [removed] WITH THE AUTO [removed] WONDER HOW MANY MT AND SB SHOWS HAD
THE SAME STORY BUT CHANGED THE ENDINGS,AND WHY IT WAS DONE.
  I LIKE TO ADD MY TWO CENT ABOUT HORROR [removed] THINK THE BEST WAS
ON ESCAPE [removed]"THE THREE SKELETON KEYS" EVEN TODAY WHEN I LISTEN TO
IT,I GET [removed]

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