Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #374
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Date: 9/27/2002 9:03 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 374
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: Jug's book                        [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Radio Westerns                        [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
      Neighsayers                           [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
      I Love To Singa                       [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]
      SFX & Hooves                          [ "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed]; ]
      Code & SOS                            [ "Bill Orr" <billorr6@[removed]; ]
      Re: Harriet & Bob Hilliard            [ Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed]; ]
      Re: SOS                               [ Bill Harris <radioguy@[removed] ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      RE: Code and SOS                      [ charles <chascav@[removed]; ]
      Re: Gunsmoke simlucasts               [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
      Reel-To-Reel Tape Players             [ "Ron Curtis" <rcurtis4@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:54:45 -0400
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Jug's book

    Jerry Bechtel was kind enough to ask;

>     Perhaps I missed it. How does one get the opportunity to purchase the
>     upcoming book by Mr. Stone? I'm 66 years old, used to listen to Archie
>     ALL the time and would be thrilled to purchase a copy of "Jughead's"
>     book!

    Jerry went on to say some other nice things, but modesty prevents me from
    repeating them. :)

    As far as ordering the book, I hope to post an announcement in a few days as
    to a web site address where anyone interested can get the order forms, the
    various options for payment, etc. (Credit Card "Pay Pal" will also be an
    option). The site will also provide an overview and brief description of the
    book's contents.

    The Web site is in the final stages of "construction", and fortunately,
    since I'm not the most computer literate person in the world (Boy, that's an
    understatement), someone else is handling the site design for me. (I did do
    the graphics for it, however.)  Photoshop is one software program that
    doesn't completely mystify me. I used it for a lot of the graphics in the
    book.

    Thanks again for your interest Jerry.

    Regards

    Hal(Harlan)Stone

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    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:13:44 -0400
    From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Radio Westerns

              I've noticed lately that there are only two westerns which
    are being mentioned: "The Long Ranger" and "Gunsmoke".
    There were several others, as I recall.  Some of the ones I
    remember enjoying  were "The Cisco Kid", "The Six Shooter",
    "All Star  Western Theatre", "Frontier Gentleman",  and "The Roy
    Rogers Show".

              IMH O, I liked "The Lone Ranger" because of it's 'mythic
    quality'
    as well as it's underlying morality.  The friendly relationship between
    Lone Ranger and Tonto provided a positive role model for kids.
              "Gunsmoke" was good because it provided a truer, more
    human portrayal of life in the old west.  It was well written and more
    in depth than "Lone Ranger".
              "The Cisco Kid" not only provided the necessary action of
    westerns,
    but also a dash of humor.  During the time they were on the air, humor
    was necessary just to live from day to day.
              "The Six Shooter" was well written, intelligent, and it was
    refreshing
    to hear the character of Britt Ponsitt standing up for what was right and

    defend those who needed his help without expecting anything in return.
              "All Star Western Theatre" was enjoyable, providing listeners
    with
    something new and different each  time while staying within the western
    format.  The acting was good  and there was enough action to satisfy
    those who expected it.
              "The Frontier Gentleman" was refreshing, because it brought a
    new
    vision of the type of person who lived during the 1800's.  Instead of the

    typical rough cowboy, listeners were being exposed to a smoother, more
    educated type of hero, who could still use whatever means necessary
    (not necessarily just a gun) to defend himself (and others).
              "The Roy Rogers Show" was reassuring to listeners.  It gave the

    impression that even in tough times, answers could be found to (what
    seemed to be) the most insurmountable problems.  True, it seemed
    corny to some listeners, but sometimes 'corny' was just what listeners
    wanted to hear!  It was varied (in its own way) providing some action,
    comedy, and western ambience with each  episode.  Well written, well
    acted, good message in every episode for kids, and good choice for
    the roles.

    Kenneth Clarke

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    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:14:11 -0400
    From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Neighsayers

    Joe Salerno, speaking of OTR sound effects, asks,

>     How did they do the sound of horse whineys? wineys? I don't even know
>     how to spell [removed]

    Horse whinnies were at least sometimes performed by humans.  The mostly
    extant Jack Armstrong Sulu Sea adventure (the one where the Dragon's Eye
    Ring was the first premium) had some of the least-equine horse noises I
    ever heard over the radio (or in OTR recordings).  On the other hand,
    some noises, such as on The Lone Ranger, sounded quite authentic.

    Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 14:44:15 -0400
    From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  I Love To Singa

    Many people around here seem to be fans of the 1936 Warner Bros cartoon
    'I Love To Singa'.  If you're looking for a copy, it will be airing on
    Cartoon Network's Acme Hour on 10/28 at 4:00am (Eastern Time).

    Also airing is Tex Avery's 'Symphony In Slang' which is a fantastic
    cartoon by any standard.

    If anyone is interested, I can post updates of OTR related cartoons
    airing on CN, though I cannot take the blame for shameless edits and time
    compressions that they love to make.  :-)

    rodney.

    Past Tense Productions
    Carrying Old Radio related films, and Hal Roach shorts, for $7 per tape.

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    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:10:54 -0400
    From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  SFX & Hooves

    Oops -- Straight Arrow would shoot me for that [removed] I
    accidentally said the show was at KFI, Los Angeles, when it was at KHJ,
    Mutual Network, Los Angeles.  Sorry about that -- I worked at KFI for so
    many years that I dont have control over my fingers when typing station
    names!
    Mia culpa!
    Lois Culver
    KWLK Radio (Mutual) Longview, WA 1941-44
    KFI Radio (NBC) Los Angeles CA 1945-47, 50-53
    Widow of Howard Culver, actor

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    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:11:14 -0400
    From: "Bill Orr" <billorr6@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Code & SOS
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
    X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain

    It is true that SOS et al are neither cipher nor code in the cryptological
    [removed] the contrary, such "signals"  are meant to be easily recognizable
    by all.  In addition, they overcome possible language barriers and can be
    quickly transmitted by any [removed], flags, horns, lights, etc.  For
    example, all ships, both commercial and military carry a copy of the
    "International Code of Signals".  The operable word in that title being
    "Signals", not "Code".

    For those of you so inclined, see "The Code Breakers" by David Kahn, "Codes,
    [removed]" by Fred Wrixon and "The Code Book" by Simon Singh.

    Bil Orr, K5SYP
    NCVA
    FRUPAC
    MTC

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    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 16:36:42 -0400
    From: Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Harriet & Bob Hilliard

    Lee Munsick asked:

>     Does anyone out there know if lyricist Bob Hilliard
>     was related to Harriet Hilliard, perhaps better known as the wife of
>     bandleader Ozzie Nelson.  Both Ozzie
>     and Harriet were vocalists, so there could well be a tie.

    Harriet Hilliard was a stage name, her real name was Peggy Lou Snyder
    (born 18 July 1909 in Des Moines, Iowa), so probably not related to Bob
    Hilliard (born 28 January 1918 in New York City).

    Gerry Wright
    ZoneZebra Productions
    San Francisco

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    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 17:33:32 -0400
    From: Bill Harris <radioguy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: SOS

     Shenbarger@[removed] comments:

>     >From the official US Navy web site on historical terms -

>     "[removed] Contrary to popular notion, the letters [removed] do not stand for "Save
>     Our Ship" or "Save Our Souls".

    Thanks to Don for clearing up this urban legend about the
    emergency signal SOS. Before SOS was adopted, the distress signal
    was CQD. This was first used in the early 1900's by the Marconi
    Company and was taken from the amateur (ham) radio operators
    general call to any station of CQ, the Marconi Company added the
    "D" for distress. In Morse code CQD is dah dit dah dit - dah dah
    dit dah - dah dit dit. As one can see three dits, three dahs,
    three dits (SOS) is much easier to send and much easier to be
    recgonized as a distress signal by a station receiving a weak
    signal. This new distress call was initally proposed (sometime
    around 1906 IIRC) as SOE, but it was decided that the last letter
    E (a single dit) could easily be lost in any interference so it
    was decided to change the E to S. Before sinking, the Titanic
    radio operators, who were Marconi employees, sent the distress
    signal of CQD, but the Captian suggested they send the newer
    distress call of SOS. After the Titanic sinking, SOS became the
    accepted distress signal and CQD eventually dissappeared.
    Any signal repeted in 3's is now considered a call of distress, as
    example, three gunshots repeated three times, three flashing
    lights, ect.

    Bill H.

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    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:09:37 -0400
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

      From Those Were The Days --

    9/25

    1933 - America's favorite cowboy, Tom Mix, was heard for the first time
    on NBC. His show continued on the air until June, 1950.

      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:09:49 -0400
    From: charles <chascav@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  RE: Code and SOS

    IIRC SOS is not what is transmited, it is a morse character ...[removed]
    with no spaces, it is equivelent to sending the codes for S O & S run
    together.
    Charles

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    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:10:13 -0400
    From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Gunsmoke simlucasts

    In reply to Elmer Standish, and according to all authorities I have ever
    heard or read on the subject ,Gunsmoke was never "simulcast", if one
    means by that , the simultaneous broadcast of the audio portion of a TV
    program over the radio. Your friend may have not been much aware of the
    radio program in 1955-56 and may have thought that it was a simulcast
    rather than what it was ,  a SEPARATE radio broadcast with its own cast
    and regular part of the CBS Radio schedule from 1952 to 1961.

    However the TV show does have ties to the radio version as a few of the
    radio program's writers worked on the TV show and adapted several of the
    early radio scripts to the new medium.

    Eric Cooper

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    Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 23:10:21 -0400
    From: "Ron Curtis" <rcurtis4@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Reel-To-Reel Tape Players

    Does anyone know where one can purchase NEW reel-to-reel tape
    recorders/players?  Or has the market dried up?

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