Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #428
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 11/5/2002 9:03 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 428
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      ADMINISTRIVIA: Book Sale [removed]    [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
      OTR-Europe,Mexico, SA                 [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
      Dobkin mention in Daily News          [ Kubelski@[removed] ]
      Re: Shoddy Journalism Is Nothing New  [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
      Re: Amigo                             [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
      Re: the scarcity of cassette tapes    [ passage@[removed] ]
      Larry Dobkin obit                     [ "Michael Stein" <stein_michael2@hot ]
      Roberta Quinlan on the Internet       [ ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Fun ]
      Gladys Swarthout                      [ nicoll <nicoll@[removed]; ]
      Re: Roberta Quinlan                   [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
      George Made Me Do It                  [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
      Re: I can't believe it?               [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
      Re: Basil Rathbone as Sinbad          [ "Michael J. Laurino" <mlaurino@[removed] ]
      Martha Tilton Movie                   [ zbob@[removed] ]
      Vic & Sade                            [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 20:27:32 -0500
    From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  ADMINISTRIVIA: Book Sale [removed]

    Folks;

       Just a quick reminder that the book sale, generously sponsored by Martin
    Grams, Jr. to benefit the OTR Digest/Nostalgia Pages server fund, will be
    ending soon. So if you haven't yet checked out the books Martin has chosen
    for this sale, take a quick click over to:

    [removed]

       ...these books will not only give you reading enjoyment and reference
    works to consult again and again, but will also financially support the OTR
    Digest and The Nostalgia Pages at the same time, as Martin is sending part of
    every book sold to the server support fund! And this sale includes Martin's
    newest book, "Invitation to Learning," which has just been released!

       Make sure when you order, either via PayPal, or BillPoint, or surface
    mail with your check or money order, you mention the OTR Digest Book Sale. And
    much thanks, Martin, for the generous support!

             Charlie

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 00:05:56 -0500
    From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR-Europe,Mexico, SA

    Just curious. In the 30s and 40s, did other countries produce radio shows as
    well and did they have any characters that captured the public's imagination
    there like they did here - Jack Benny, Amos 'n Andy, Lone Ranger?

    Joe Salerno

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:18:57 -0500
    From: Kubelski@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Dobkin mention in Daily News

    David Hinckley of The New York Daily News briefly notes the passing of Larry
    Dobkin in today's edition.  A nice gesture considering Mr. Dobkin was a West
    Coast actor.

    [removed]

    Sean Dougherty
    Kubelski@[removed]

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:20:13 -0500
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Shoddy Journalism Is Nothing New

    Lee Munsick comments on the shameless exploitation of WOTW by the
    newspapers of 1938 and [removed]

>     Back in 1937 it was unusual. Today it is the norm of how one is to conduct
>     one's "journalism"

    I wouldn't give the 1930's press anywhere near so much credit. Having
    spent much of my adult life squinting at 1930s microfilm, as well as
    inhaling unhealthy levels of newsprint dust from bound volumes of all
    sorts of papers, large and small, I would contend that the overall
    standard of newspaper journalism in the 1930s was *extremely* low. One
    need only examine press coverage of such events of the era as the 1932
    Bonus March or the whole debacle of the Lindbergh kidnapping case from
    1932-35 to see how low the press could sink, and how lack of facts never
    stood in the way of a good story. (Coverage of the Lindbergh case may in
    fact stand as the lowest, sleaziest point in the history of American
    journalism.) In this light, the hysterical WOTW coverage seems more
    *typical* of 1930s journalism than any sort of aberration.

    Hearst papers were especially shoddy -- most Hearst papers of the 1930s
    were a mixture of strident red-baiting politics, celebrity gossip, and
    crime-and-sex-related "news" that should have been distributed wound on a
    paper core with perforations instead of pages --- but there were others
    that were equally bad, such as the Patterson-McCormick papers. (New York
    Daily News, Chicago Tribune. Not coincidentally, it was the Daily News
    that published perhaps the most hysterical coverage of WOTW -- you'll see
    a reproduction of its front page and excerpts from its stories on the
    cover of the Manheim Fox LP edition of the 1970s.)

    If you want to elevate modern journalism to new heights of excellence,
    compare the worst modern newspaper you can find with any issue of the
    "New York Daily Graphic," the MacFadden tabloid of the 1920s-early 1930s,
    possibly the single worst daily newspaper ever published in the United
    States. (And that's quite an accomplishment considering the
    [removed]) And as the example of WOTW shows, even "respectable"
    papers like the New York Times and New York Herald Tribune were not
    immune to exaggerated scare headlines, sloppy research, and half-baked
    half-truths.

    Elizabeth
    (Twenty years experience as a working journalist)

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:18:52 -0500
    From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
    To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Today in radio history

>     >From Those Were The Days --

    1934 - The first broadcast of The Gumps was heard on CBS. Wilmer Walter
    played Andy Gump, Agnes Moorehead was Gump's wife, Min, and Jackie Kelk
    was son, Chester. Karo syrup and Pebico toothpaste/tooth powder
    sponsored.

    1950 - "The greatest stars of our time on one big program" was the
    introduction by actress Tallulah Bankhead, who opened the 90-minute Big
    Show on NBC radio. It was a big show all right. The peacock saw red as
    losses exceeded a million dollars in the three years the program was on
    the air.

    Birthday:

    1912 - Roy Rogers (Leonard Slye) "King of the Cowboys", d. July 6, 1998.

      Joe

    --
    Visit my home page:
    [removed]~[removed]

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 10:18:47 -0500
    From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Amigo

    Ronald Staley <mrvintageradio@[removed]; asked:

>     Does anyone have an mp3 or cassette of the golden palamino children's
>     story. Or, does anyone have the original bobby benson story about same?

    Since I heard that story many times, I'm pretty sure I must have heard it on
    _Big Jon and Sparky_, which means it was released as a children's record.
    After half a century I still recall from that story that the palomino's name
    was Amigo, and that Bobby Benson sang a song with the horse's name in it. In
    fact, I still remember the grace notes in the "mi" syllable. Memory's a funny
    thing, assuming it's not all something I imagined. BTW, the actor that played
    Bobby Benson (assuming the same kid played the part both on radio and record)
    was at the one and only OTR convention I have been able to attend, in
    Cincinnati; I gather he frequently attends conventons.

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 11:46:24 -0500
    From: passage@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: the scarcity of cassette tapes

>     Am I the only one who can't seem to find 60 minute cassette tapes
>     at any department stores suddenly?

    Not suddenly.  Been that way around here (NYC area) for a couple
    years now.  Check you local drug stores.  My local CVS Drug Store
    carries C-60 Memorex, TDK, and others.  I also noticed Stapes had
    C-60's on the shelf.  Best bet is buy from the Internet.  I just
    recently took the suggestion of someone here on the Digest and
    got a case of 100 Sony C-60's for less than fifty cents each.

    Frank

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 12:36:48 -0500
    From: "Michael Stein" <stein_michael2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Larry Dobkin obit

    I'm sure there are many OTR fans who were saddened to hear of Lawrence
    Dobkin's death. I was dismayed that the AP obituary that appeared in our
    paper never even alluded to Dobkin's radio work. Yes, he had a long and
    prestigious list of TV and movie roles, but dozens and dozens of radio
    appearances are apparently not important to the AP--or maybe they're not
    aware of radio before DJ's and programmed music!

    I'm preaching to the choir, of course. Just wondering if any of you read an
    obituary that recognized Dobkin's contribution to radio.

    Michael Stein

    [ADMINISTRIVIA: For those who may not know, the Los Angeles Times ran an
    obituary which did touch on his contributions to old-time radio. This
    obit may be read on-line at:

    [removed],0,[removed]

    ...note that registration with the site is required; you might consider
    using incorrect demographic information and a throw-away email account
    when registering.  --cfs3]

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 13:29:11 -0500
    From: ArtsMilitaria@[removed] (Arthur Funk)
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Roberta Quinlan on the Internet

    Joe Ferrant was asking for info on Ms Quinlan.  I used the Google search
    engine and came up with a number of references including a photo of her
    performing.  I used "Roberta Quinlan" as the search request.  Be sure to
    use the quotation marks to limit your search in order to avoid unrelated
    combinations of the two words.

    Regards to all,
    Art Funk

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 15:21:14 -0500
    From: nicoll <nicoll@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Gladys Swarthout

    I ran across the following on a genealogy website.       Will Nicoll

    "It was great to read some of the remembrances of the radio that
    readers shared. I have been amazed at the large number of people
    who visit my family Web site for the information on our family's
    famous radio personality, Gladys Swarthout. I have corresponded
    with dozens of fans and even researchers from many different
    countries who remember listening to her voice on the radio and
    watching her on the silver screen. I have even been able to
    obtain recordings of some of these radio broadcasts. What a
    thrill to be able to share. [removed]
    Mark W. Swarthout aggie80@[removed]"

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 17:42:06 -0500
    From: Grbmd@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Roberta Quinlan

    Joe wrote:

>     I believe vocalist/pianist
>      Roberta Quinlan also performed with him for some time before getting her
>      own show on that "newer medium".  What became of her>  Any information on
>      her would be appreciated.  Curiously, I am unable to find a thing on the
>      web.

    As a teenager I was a fan of Roberta Quinlan.  (Fan?  Maybe it was more a
    case of raging hormones.)  I remember her theme, which went:  "Especially for
    you.  That's what I sing for.  Especially for [removed]"

    I too wonder what happened to her.

    Spence

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:16:35 -0500
    From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  George Made Me Do It
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    George Aust said in part about attending the SPERDVAC Convention{:
    ......Conrad Binyon was another who was there to take part in a recreation,
    and I told him that he needs to be heard more often on this list,  nice
    fellow.
    Geez, George, you got on my case well enough to inspire me to offer the
    following
    posting of a rundown of my SPERDVAC Convention experience after the fact.
    Linking upon the URL may require one  to adjust their window size to move
    text and pictures into position.
    Here ya go:
     [removed]
    CAB

    ---
    conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
       From the Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms
         Encino, California.

      *** This message was altered by the server, and may not appear ***
      ***                  as the sender intended.                   ***

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:16:41 -0500
    From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: I can't believe it?

    To all you kind folks on the Digest who have been asking how to get a copy
    of my new [removed] day of atonement has arrived. The Web page with all the
    facts and ordering information was finally completed a few hours ago. Simply
    log on to the net at this address.

    [removed]

    To all those who have sent me private e-Mails asking about the book, I will
    send you the web address separately, in case you miss this announcement.

    To My Awesome Aussie Buddy,(Ian)... e-mail me privately and we'll try and
    work out costs of shipping, etc, so you can use PayPal as you requested.
    Check out the site and then we'll talk.

    Same hold true for Joy at REPS. Check out the volume discount offer. OK?

    Just so everyone understands. I held a gun to the printers heads and made
    them promise to at least ship me some books so I could make copies available
    at the two recent conventions, as well as fulfill the orders from way back
    in June when we first announced the book at the REPS convention in Seattle.

    Consequently, any reviews about the book that have been posted here in the
    digest are the result of having sold some advance copies at the convention,
    and from the folks who finally got theirs after waiting patiently since last
    June.

    I have yet to fill any orders from fellow digesters because I needed the
    web-site up and running to be able to furnish you all with the ordering
    information. Thanks for your patience.

    Now, to other matters. Dorothy and I had a great time at SPERDVAC this past
    weekend. We arrived home last night. It was fun seeing the same fans who
    attended the NY-NJ Convention and the LA one as well. Now, you have to
    admit. These are die-hard OTR fans. And I got to meet fellow digesters at
    this one as well. The LA convention organizers didn't work me as hard as the
    East Coast guys. (After all, we have to give the West Coast actors a chance
    to strut their stuff also). :)

    By the way, the review of my book that "Tooth" [removed] posted blew me away.
    Honest, no money crossed hands. (I think he's hinting around at becoming my
    press agent). :) If anyone ordering the book enjoys it half as much as he
    seemed to, then I will feel the task of writing it will be worthwhile. Not
    to mention making a buck or two if people buy it based on his
    recommendation. Do you suppose he's looking for a commission? :)

    One final note. Those of you who may eventually order the book, please let
    me know how you liked it. That input may help me decide if it would make
    sense to undertake a sequel. :)

    Regards

    Hal(Harlan)Stone
    Jughead

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 19:34:06 -0500
    From: "Michael J. Laurino" <mlaurino@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: Basil Rathbone as Sinbad

>     I found a show or a recording which sounds like Basil Rathbone narrating
>     "sinbad".

    ...

>     I see a capitol record [removed]
>     Sinbad the Sailor (story from the Arabian Nights) - 3 record set, 78 rpm,
>     Columbia Masterworks, 1948. Adapted and directed by Ralph Rose, music from
>     "Scheherazade" by Rimsky-Korsakov.

    ...

>     The lady returns after the tale, saying 'thus ends the tale of [removed]"
>     Soon again I will tell you another of my stories. would you like to hear it?

    Yes, Patrick, that is the recording described at
    [removed].
    It was later re-released as side one of an LP,
    which I am looking at right now,
    with "The Adventures of Oliver Twist and Fagin"
    (with Rathbone as Fagin) on side two.

    Here is the cast, from the liner notes:

       Sinbad . . . . . . . . . . Basil Rathbone
       Scheherazade. . . . . Peggy Sanford
       Mustapah. . . . . . . . Mason Adams
       Hindbad. . . . . . . . . Guy Repp
       Captain . . . . . . . . . Jack Hartley
       King . . . . . . . . . . . Ted DeCorsia
       Sinbad's Friend . . . Maurice Gossfield
       Giant. . . . . . . . . . . Jack Hartley

>     While there seem to be several voices, I really feel Rathbone is in here.

    His was one voice that was hard to miss.

    mjl

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:14:48 -0500
    From: zbob@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Martha Tilton Movie

    In #427, John correctly identifies Martha Tilton's movie as Swing Hostess.
    I have a vcr copy of this flick, if anyone is interested.  I don't think it
    shows up on TV, as it is not in Maltin, etc.  Contact me offline, pls. Bob

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 21:34:58 -0500
    From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Vic & Sade

    I've got about 50 episodes of Vic & Sade all in Very Good/Excellent
    sound, and I'm looking for more.

    E-mail me if you'd like my list.

    rodney.

    Past Tense Productions
    Carrying Old Radio related films, and Hal Roach shorts, for $7 per tape.

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