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Date: 8/30/2002 8:33 AM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 340
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: OTR TAPES - A complete collectio  [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
  NBC Monitor                           [ Henry Howard <hhoward@[removed] ]
  Jack Moyles                           [ Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed] ]
  Re: Nipper and Urban Legends          [ Shenbarger@[removed] ]
  WOL not WOI                           [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
  The "other" Arthur Godfreys           [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
  Another Famous Sound Effect           [ clifengr3@[removed] ]
  Thanks for the Adventures in Researc  [ "Henry Brugsch" <henry@listentohear ]
  Re: Arthur Godfrey Subs               [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
  Re: Bernice Berlin/Berwin             [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
  Letters from mama & mp3               [ Keith Houdeshell <khowdy@[removed] ]
  Shamrock&Jerry Haendiges              [ "dan trigg" <dantrigg@[removed]; ]
  Jack Benny cartoon characters         [ Roo61@[removed] (Randy Watts) ]
  Re: Arthur Godfrey Subs               [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
  Jack Moyles                           [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
  influence of advertising              [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
  Hi Brown                              [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:54:44 -0400
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: OTR TAPES - A complete collection for sale

In a message dated 8/26/02 10:04:15 AM, [removed]@[removed]
writes:

A large collection is being offered for sale, and some OTR fan could
instantly be enjoying thousands of programs.  My friend Bob Mess still
loves old-time radio, but the tapes have become a white elephant.

***Bob Mess reports that he is receiving a lot of queries about the
collection of R-to-R tapes and asks that I post to OTRDigest that I contacted
him back on 8/26 and am purchasing the entire collection. -- ANTHONY TOLLIN***

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:23:12 -0400
From: Henry Howard <hhoward@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  NBC Monitor

If anyone has a recording of the Monitor Beacon sound cue,
please contact me off list.

Thanks.
          Henry Howard
radiodrama digest moderator
     [removed]

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:20:51 -0400
From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Jack Moyles

From: albequerque@[removed]

According to my book on Gunsmoke, he was some-
times in the cast with Harry Bartell, so I am wondering if Mr. Bartell might
have any info [removed] was he ever in movies or [removed]

I lost track of Jack after Fort Laramie  concluded but I seem to recall that
he bought a radio station in the west. IMDB lists one film. The Lineup in
1958 in which he played a small part. It does not show a picture. He also
appeared on many other radio shows besides those you mentioned.

Sorry I can't be of more help.

Harry Bartell

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:35:12 -0400
From: Shenbarger@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Nipper and Urban Legends

In a message dated 8/29/2002 10:05:20 AM Central Daylight Time, Laura Leff
writes:

Also, people have mentioned Nipper as the insignia for the Victor label.
 However, you can also find him on Monarch Records.  I have heard
conflicting
 stories about how the name "Victor" was chosen, including that the company
 (and Columbia) won a patent suit against Edison for the right to make
 records.  Anyone have the straight scoop on it?

>From "Look For The Dog", Emile Berliner had been selling his Gramophones and
records through a marketing company when he found out two of the top
officials of that company were involved in the operations of competitor,
Universal Talking Machine Company, makers of the Zonophone. When Berliner
tried to cut off their supply, those people sued Berliner and won an
injunction preventing him selling the products elsewhere. That action caused
the sale of Berliner's company to Eldridge Johnson, who had been making the
spring motor version of the Gramophone. An injunction against Eldridge
Johnson was also sought to prevent him from going into business on his own
with Berliner's product. Johnson won that legal action and it has been
suggested that may be the reason for his use of the name Victor. As a part of
the decision in favor of Eldridge Johnson, he was prevented from using the
word Gramophone. Also, at the time, the word Phonograph was a registered
trademark of Edison's record and phonograph company. So you don't see either
of those words used in the things published by the Victor Talking Machine
Company.

Monarch records were 10" records made by the Victor Talking Machine Company
for use on their "Victor Monarch" machines, introduced in 1901. The 10"
records were twice as long playing as the previous 7" records and the Victor
Monarch was promoted as the finest record playing instrument of its time.
Several Monarch models were made from 1901-1905. I don't know how long the
Monarch name was used on records.

There are also Monarch machines, and probably records, produced by the
European operation of the Gramophone and Typewriter, Ltd. (the Gramaphone
Company after 1907), which continued in operation after the sale of the
American operation to Eldridge Johnson. All of these carried the "His
Master's Voice" trademarks. Johnson owned the American use of the trademark
only. Apparently the European Gramophone Company owned the European use of
that trademark and was the original purchaser of the painting. G&T Ltd. had
close ties to the Victor Talking Machine Company. The European Victrolas
tended to be called Gramophone Grands. The cases of these Gramophone Grands
appear to be wonderful pieces of furniture unlike either the plain workman
like or gaudy appearance of our American models. Descriptions and color
photographs of the European models are available in "Collecting Phonographs
and Gramophones" by Christopher Proudfoot.

Don Shenbarger

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 14:35:29 -0400
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  WOL not WOI

Reader George Davison caught me in an error indicating that Fulton Lewis,
Jr. operated from WOI in Washington.  WOI is in Des Moines, and has been
for years.  I looked at WOI and thought "that's not right", but there it
was in Ron Lackmann's book!  I am writing Ron to let him know of the typo.

Fulton Lewis operated from WOL in Washington.  Mea culpa.

Lee Munsick

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:37:57 -0400
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The "other" Arthur Godfreys

Art Funk asked about substitutes for Arthur Godfrey when he was away from
his programs.

Yes, Peter Lind Hayes and Mary Healy were frequent sub-hosts, probably most
frequent after Robert Q. Lewis.  Others at various times included Steve
Allen, Garry Moore, Tony Randall, Orson Bean, Richard Hayes, and various
local city "Arthur Godfrey types" from around the country, such as from
WCCO in Minneapolis-St. Paul.  I think--but am not sure--that Ed McMahon
may have sat in; they were friends and fellow aviators and aviation
enthusiasts.

Arthur Godfrey's friend Art Carney sat in with Mr. Godfrey--if not for
him--and they did on-the-air a hilarious take-off on the hugely popular
Arthur Godfrey/Chordettes Columbia recording of "Candy and Cake".  They did
it again for a recording, which also was issued by Columbia
Records.  Carney was so good at doing Godfrey's voice that one has to
listen a couple of times to tell which part is being done by which, until
finally Mr. Godfrey dissolves into laughter and Mr. Carney practically had
to finish up by himself.  From this grew the rumor that the original "Candy
and Cake" record was actually Carney as Godfrey, rather than Godfrey as
Godfrey.  Not true.

I think Mr. Godfrey's sister Kathy, who had her own CBS shows for a while,
also sat in on her big brother's show.  Kathy and Arthur's other sister
Dorothy Jean wrote a wonderful book about the Godfrey family--but mostly
about their remarkable mother, Katherine Morton Godfrey, the subject of the
name of the book.  Titled "Genius in the Family", it frequently pops up on
eBay.  Be careful to read the description, [removed] is at least one
other book with the same title.  Kathy, by the way, looked enough like
Arthur to be a twin, although they were not.  One irreverent friend of
mine, seeing Kathy on television, said that he thought it was "Arthur
Godfrey in drag".

Another dear friend from the mid 1930s on was John Charles Daly, but I
don't believe he ever sat behind the desk provided as his soapbox for
sponsors Lipton/Chesterfield/Pillsbury/Frigidaire/Dubonnet/Axion/Star
Kist/Nabisco/Bufferin/Scotch Brand Cellophane Tape/Glass
Wax/Listerine/Kleenex/Sta-Flo/you-name-it!

Mr. Godfrey, however, sat behind "Charley" Daly's desk on "What's My Line"
several times as Mystery Guest, every time to tumultuous, even raucous
studio audience response.  He made five appearances on "What's My
Line".  Sadly, one of the five seems lost forever, although I am indebted
to the world's top "What's My Line" scholar (who wishes to be known only as
PD), for providing me with the remaining four.

I recall the first time we saw Mr. Godfrey on "What's My Line"in the
1950s.  Our family held Sunday night supper with the Dennis Day-Jack
Benny-Phil Harris triumvirate, and wrapped up the evening with "What's My
Line".  The studio gang there made such an incredible noise for the Mystery
Guest one night with happy yelling, clapping, whistling and the like, that
I turned to my parents and said, "It has to be either President Eisenhower,
or Arthur Godfrey".  The close-up camera showed a hand and wrist with lots
of freckles starting that big round initial "A", and I said, "Yep, it's Mr.
Godfrey".

Oddly enough (one has to listen very closely to hear it), as Mr. Godfrey
makes his way over to sit down beside his friend John Daly, panelist Hal
Block reacts to the audience response by saying something like, "I didn't
know President Eisenhower made this kind of appearance".

Readers can help in the researches for my book on Arthur Godfrey, by
sending me the names of any other hosts they can recall, as well as other
performers, personalities or dignitaries who appeared on the Godfrey
programs over the years, especially anyone who appeared as scout or talent
on "Arthur Godfrey and his Talent Scouts".  I will appreciate it.  Please
contact me off-list.

Thanks so much.  Lee Munsick

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:38:13 -0400
From: clifengr3@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Another Famous Sound Effect

All this talk about sound effects, brings to mind one famous one that I've
wondered about for a long time.

I'm talking about the sound effect used to emulate the sound of a car
careening out of control and crashing.

It comes in three parts. First there's screeching brakes, and at the end
there's the sound of crashing. But it's the middle part that puzzles me.
After the screech, and just before the crash there's a "boing-g-g-g-g-g"
sound. It's hard to describe but it's amost like the sound of a coiled spring
suddenly popping. I could never figure how that sound goes with a car
skidding out of control and crashing.

It's used alot, especially when the car careens over a cliff.

Is there anyone out there who knows what I'm talking about and wondered about
this too, or anyone who can shed some light on this? Or is it just me?

Thanks for listening.

Jim Yellen

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:38:23 -0400
From: "Henry Brugsch" <henry@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Thanks for the Adventures in Research solution

Thanks, Scott, found the refferences, and read the gen. Most interesting,
and followed along with what further more got dredged up in memory. I think,
that Adventures in Research must have run a special series on hoaxes, or,
that they selected this one.
I think, even that they were into soliciting listeners for ideas on things
to cover, but not so sure of that.
Does this series exist in any collections?
I'd have thought they'd be all over the place, since a lot of schools had
them on open reel.
I rememberthat they were in the Perkins School for the Blind library, but us
students weren't authorized to have them. They were out of bounds, only for
the [removed] they'd be able to get away with that, now.

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:38:39 -0400
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Arthur Godfrey Subs

Another radio personality who regularly substituted for Arthur Godfrey was
WCCO's morning-and-drive-time host Howard Viken.  I'm not certain, but
Minneapolis columnist/radio personality Cedric Adams might have subbed for
Godfrey in earlier years.  However, I definitely remember Howard Viken
filling in for a week each year during the 1960s.  Viken's daughter sat
behind me in our high school typing class. --Anthony Tollin

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:39:09 -0400
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Bernice Berlin/Berwin

Richard Pratz noticed that I had typed Bernice "Berlin" instead of Bernice
"Berwin" when I forwarded notice of her death.   Actually, the typo is the
fault of the UC alumni magazine.    Since I did not recall her name
personally I didn't catch it.

After I received Richard's note I searched for and found the One Man's
Family 'Family' website and found another reference to her death at the age
of 100 and the e-mail address of her granddaughter in cause anyone wants to
send condolences.

Irene

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Bernice Berwin 'Hazel' -- April 4, 1902 - May 22, 2002

To the One Man's Family Family -

This is to let you know that Bernice Berwin, "Hazel", passed away peacefully
at her residence in Alamo, California with her son and her two grandchildren
at her side.  Funeral services were held in the mausoleum chapel at
Mountainview Cemetery in Oakland, California on Thursday, May 30th.

If you would like to make a donation in her memory, please do so in the name
of
Mrs. Bernice H. Berwin to either the Children's Hospital Foundation, 747
Fifty Second Street,
Oakland, California at (510)428-3814/(800)922-9879 or to the Merola Opera
Program of the
San Francisco Opera, 301 Van Ness Avenue, San Francisco, CA 94102,
(415)565-6427.

   Messages of condolence may be sent to the family via [removed] Post to:
       Karen Sherwood (her granddaughter)
       14 Dupree Court
       Petaluma, CA 94954-6844

   Or via e-mail to: Karen_Sherwood@[removed]

We are so grateful she was part of all our lives for so many years and for
your appreciation of
her role in OMF.

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:53:48 -0400
From: Keith Houdeshell <khowdy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Letters from mama & mp3

I was recently passing through Charlie Weaver's Mt. Idy (Carey  Oh)  and
thought about the "letters from Moma" that he used to read on the Tonight
show.  I thought this was a steal from Jack Benny's show (Mary Livingston
reading letters from moma)  but recall that others used this
device.  Didn't Gracie Allen read letters from her sister,  and Portland
Mason?   My question is who originated this device of reading letters on
the air?

Popular Mechanics magazine has an article in the Sept. issue about a MP3
player called the Archos Jukebox that has a 20 GB hard drive  that will
hold several hundred hours of mp3's.  Does anyone know if this machine will
work for our purposes  of playing OTR?  The magazine article was not clear
on that.         Keith

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 19:36:57 -0400
From: "dan trigg" <dantrigg@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Shamrock&Jerry Haendiges

The Shramrock Hotel was built in late 40s, early 50s with a large percentage
of money from "oil wildcatter" Glen McCarthy. At the time it was built it was
in the sticks, when it was torndown (imploded)it was in downtown Houston. In
early 80s I attended a live broadcast by Larry King with Uncle Milty as guest.

I must comment on Tony Baechler's apparent displeasure with Jerry Haendiges.
I have in the last month and a half spent about 500 dollars with Jerry and
have had very fast service. It amazes me that with him you play before you
pay. I don't know what arrangement Mr. Baechler had with Jerry, but it must
be very different from what he advertizes.

Sincerely,
Dan
__________________________________________________________

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:09:08 -0400
From: Roo61@[removed] (Randy Watts)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jack Benny cartoon characters

There's one called "Daffy Duck and the Dinosaur" that others maintain is a
"borrowing" of Jack's character. I don't know that I completely buy that. I
can see some similarities, but it's not enough for me to decide if they were
trying to do Jack or just a general character (or potentially even Frank Fay?). 

The five "Jell-O" musical notes heard at the close of "Daffy Duck and
the Dinosaur" are what tipped me in favor of believing the caveman was
based on Benny.

Randy

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:21:05 -0400
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re:   Arthur Godfrey Subs

I probably listened more to Arthur Godfred's show when Robert Q. Lewis
subbed. Mainly because he use to do a bit called Robert Rosebusy.

It started when he was talking about some old timer doing a commercial and
it turned into a very funny bit of comedy. Well, I was about 13 years old
at the time and it was funny for me back then.

Fred
[removed]

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:08:38 -0400
From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Jack Moyles

Kathleen asks:

Is there somewhere I could see a picture of Moyles, or
have an idea of what, in general, he looked like? Lastly, is he still
with us?

Moyles died in 1973 at the age of 60.  An informative article on his
life was written by Misty Dawn Lane for the Jun 2001 issue of RADIO
RECALL,  which included his photo. Misty personally knew Moyles in the
1960s when she worked for him at Radio Station KVNI in Idaho.

Jack French
Editor, RADIO RECALL

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 05:17:14 -0400
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  influence of advertising
X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain

Jer51473@[removed] asks:
"Along these same lines does anyone recall
products that were marketed so well that people actually replaced the type of
product with a companys brand name?"

How about:
kelvinator (refrigerators)... from West Virginia friends
frigidaire (refrigerators)... from everybody else
kleenex (facial tissues)
xerox (office copiers/image copies)
aspirin (Bayer's pain reliever tablets)
gramophone (record player)
technicolor (color movie process)
heatolator (fuel oil-fired room heater)

There must be dozens more, that I can't think of [removed]

Herb Harrison

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 10:09:57 -0400
From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Hi Brown

Has anyone heard whether Hi Brown is doing any more radio drama?

Melina? Any tell us anything?

Howard Blue

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