Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #308
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 9/19/2001 7:45 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2001 : Issue 308
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      News today and news 60 years ago      [ "Bob Watson" <crw912@[removed]; ]
      Epitaphs                              [ "Jimidene Murphey" <jimimark@[removed] ]
      Frances Langford                      [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      God Bless America                     [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      contacts                              [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]
      Did local news used to be better?     [ "Doug Leary" <dleary@[removed]; ]
      Red Skelton Pledge of Allegiance      [ Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed]; ]
      When the Lights Go on Again All Over  [ Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed]; ]
      Re: WEAF                              [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
      Can you answer this question          [ "Alecia" <ramble1@[removed]; ]
      Re: Pledge of Alleigence - Red Skelt  [ passage@[removed] ]
      Epitaphs, etc.                        [ "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@nfoli ]
      Coverage: Then and Now                [ "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed]; ]
      Epitaph??                             [ "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed] ]
      WEAF                                  [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
      Elephant boy                          [ LPEVANS221@[removed] ]
      Few Lasting Memories? - Buster Brown  [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
      Pearl Harbor Coverage                 [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
      Tapes and MP3s                        [ Richard Carpenter <sinatra@ragingbu ]

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 02:05:18 -0400
    From: "Bob Watson" <crw912@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  News today and news 60 years ago

    I have noticed a trend on here since the Attack on America for some on this
    forum to criticize American newcasts.

    While I think there is no denying that there have been extremely significant
    changes in the way Americans get their news now than from in the past.  I
    really think it is unfair to compare the two eras and their methods of
    newscasting.

    It has been said that the bottom line for news agencies is ratings.  While
    this is true, if the news agency is not reliable, most people are not going
    to watch them.  The true bottom line is getting the news out as quickly as
    possible, and hopefully as accurate as possible.  The accurate part has
    always been a problem, though.  And in this day and age of instant
    accessability, it is often difficult to tell rumor from truth.

    We have taken to comparing this tragedy with the Pearl Harbor attack.  Some
    of us, being critical of today's news coverage, may have left those younger
    members of the forum to believe that some of the misfires and mishandling of
    the news didn't happen back in 1941.  I am certain that the thrust of the
    news agencies then, as now, was to get out the news, and get it out to the
    American people as fast as possible.

    I'm just wondering how many of us on the forum actually have in our
    possession the NBC Blue and/or NBC Red coverages of that day??  And any
    other snipets of coverage from the CBS and Mutual networks???  And have
    listened to them and compared the timing on them??

    A lot of the tapes from that day have been speculated as re edit jobs.
    While this is entirely possible, I find  I have to take the coverage as it
    stands.  Taking for granted that things happened as they are presented to us
    on those tapes, the days events, as broadcasted, are very interesting
    indeed.  There is one bit of information that is constantly repeated by both
    NBC networks, as well as a CBS newscast, that we know was not true.  This is
    the bombing of Manila.  Very shortly after the news broke that Pearl Harbor
    had been bombed, news broke that Manila was also being bombed.  Looking back
    with hindsight, we all know that Manila was not bombed until the next day.
    Armed with such knowledge, some have speculated that the announcements were
    actually from the next day and mislabeled and edited in as being broadcast
    on Dec 7th when all the tapes were made available to the public.  While this
    is still a possibility, two things stand out in my mind that lend me to
    think that the broadcasts were indeed from Dec 7th.  First, the CBS newscast
    at 2:30pm states that Manila is being bombed at almost the same time that
    the NBC announcers interrupt the University of Chicago Round Table
    discussion with the same news.  This CBS newcast has circulated for years
    and has the first few seconds, if not the first few minutes, missing.  There
    are enough drops in volume that some have called it an edit job of the
    various newscasts of the day very handsomely re edited and presented as the
    2:30 pm CBS newscast.  Even so, not everyone agrees with how much of the
    broadcast was from the broadcast of 2:30, and how much was from other CBS
    sources from later in the day.  The Manila bombings reports have always been
    one source of the speculation that the newscast was not entirely authentic.
    I listened to this broadcast, along  with the NBC recordings of the same
    time a few months back.  While there is obviously editing taking place on
    the CBS newscast, I have have come to the conclusion that the tape is, for
    the most part, reconstructed from different sources of the same broadcast.
    And that any inserting of later broadcasts are, more than likely, at a
    mimimum.  I cannnot say with any certainty that the entire broadcast is
    authentic.  But in my eyes and ears, I believe most of this CBS newscast to
    be authentic.  Especially the announcements that Manila has been bombed.
    This announcement corralates with the NBC interruptions.  Later in the day,
    there is a broadcast from Ford Wilkins, who relays that while it has been
    reported that Manila has been attacked, states that Manila had not, so far,
    been attacked.  Exactly when this announcement was made is uncertain.  The
    announcement is made on both the CBS and NBC networks, probably.  What
    throws most off is that Ford Wilkins is a CBS correspondent.  There is a
    possibilty that the CBS report was spliced into the NBC tapes at a later
    date;  but this much is clear.  After the report, the NBC network
    acknowledged that the Manila had not been bombed, so SOMEONE had to report
    the falsity.   Up until that point, the Manila bombing was reported as fact.

    Why was a CBS reporter sending a report to rival NBC???  Who knows.  Why did
    CNN release to the other news services it's vivid and most horrifying video
    of the 747 crashing into the second tower of the WTC???  Maybe there was an
    edit job because the NBC report was too poor in sound.  Or maybe NBC
    "swiped" the incoming shortwave signal.   Or maybe, as was the case with
    CNN.  CBS simply chose to share the information with its rival in order to
    keep the public informed with as much of the correct information as
    possible.

    And this isn't the only bit of misinformation.  I can't recall specifics
    right now, but there were others.

    My point to all this????  That a mistake was made and continually repeated
    throughout the day on Dec 7th.  It was several hours after the attack that
    the networks were able to correct themselves.  The goal of the networks and
    news agencies has not really changed.  Oh, we have the ratings to consider
    now, to try and get more advertising money and so forth.  But what everyone,
    especially the younger members, needs to realize is that you go with what
    you got.  The news agencies in 1941 simply didn't have the resources that we
    do today.  The ability to communicate has jumped light years since 1941.
    Yes, there have been changes to the way we get our news, and not all for the
    good.  But to say it was done better way back when is not being fair.  The
    satellite feeds, cellular phones and internet weren't there for them to use.
    My goodness, even standard communication that we take for granted today such
    as regular telephones weren't that reliable.  So no news was getting to the
    networks for them to broadcast.

    When I learned of the tragedy last Tuesday, I watched it.  I felt guilty
    when I didn't watch it.  I think for many Americans, it was the same.  It
    was the yearning to make sense out of what had happened that kept me close
    to my TV and radio during this time.  I think it was this same sense that
    lead to some of the reporting methods used by the networks.

    Those who lived back in WWII may have felt the same emotions, but it was a
    different world back then.  Most people worked and lived in farms and rural
    communites where radio couldn't serve until the sun went down and radio
    waves could permiate the atmosphere.  Life HAD to go on back then.
    Livestock still had to be tended too.  Crops still had to be planned for.
    That isn't the case today.  Most live and work in the cities, or at least,
    not on farms.  Cable and satellite bring news at all hours.  Information is
    constantly at our fingertips thanks to the internet.

    We can all wax nostalgia for the past and yearn for a simpler time when the
    everything seemed to be defined in black and white.  But really and truly,
    was it ever that simple???  Sometimes I wonder.  I know the world has been
    changing at a steady rate over the past 60 years.  After the events of last
    Tuesday, it will change even more.  Let's not lose focus on what has
    happened and how it will change our lives.  For all we know, our destinies,
    quite frankly, may have been taken out of our own hands.  That is a
    frightening realization.

    To compare the past with the present is only natural.  But let's not get too
    critical of the advances that have been made, nor the methods in which they
    are used.  Nor of the people who seemingly misuse them.

    Thanks to technology, we are able to share ideas and knowledge here on this
    forum of a subject that is dear to us.

    Thanks to technology, the news agencies have almost instant access to
    information as it happens.  Let's not be critical.  This ability to report
    may very well indeed save our lives in the very near future.

    Indeed it already has saved some of us or those we [removed]

    If it hadn't been for our present technology and the news agencies using
    that technology and presenting it to the public in a rapid pace
    [removed] would Flight 93 have crashed???  Think about it.
    Where was it headed???  How many more lives would have been lost???

    Thanks our present technology and to the networks and news agencies, the
    people of Flight 93 had knowledge of what was happening outside of their
    aircraft and, I firmly believe in my heart, took heroic action.

    If any on this forum had friends or family on Flight 93, I apologize for
    bringing this up.  But those individuals on Flight 93 are heroes, I believe,
    because of the very news coverage that is being criticized here.

    Let's never lose sight of what we have.

    And what we can lose.

    Bob Watson
    Cochran, GA

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 02:50:52 -0400
    From: "Jimidene Murphey" <jimimark@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Epitaphs

    Will Nicoll wrote:

>     Now, I know from reading the digest there are a lot of clever [removed]
>     would be interesting hearing their plans for an OTR epitaph.

    Perhaps we could consult with Digley O'Dell, the Friendly Undertaker (of The
    Life of Riley fame) and his Undertakers, Embalmers, and Pallbearers Clever
    Epitaph Guild could surely come up with something!

    Jimidene Murphey
    "Keepin' It Alive"

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:50:20 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Frances Langford

    In a earlier digest some one as about Frances Langford.  She can be reach at
    P. O. Box 96 Jenson Beach, FL 33457.  She recently married a former Oklahoma
    broadcaster, and lives off the shore of Florida.  She was married at one
    time to John Hall.  I do remember reading on the internet that she did have
    a business in Florida that aloud her to perform for the public.  She got her
    start in local radio in Florida before going to Hollywood in the mid 1930s
    to work in pictures.  Besides the Bob Hope show, Frances had a summer
    replacement show in 1947 which SPERDVAC has in the Archive.  She was before
    Marsha Hunt in the Beckerson.  She is on my short list of people I would
    like to get as a guest  for YUSA.

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:50:49 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  God Bless America

    Frank Bresee mention on last Sunday Bill Bragg Sunday live show, which
    feature Bill solute to America.  That Frank did have the opportunity over 10
    years a go to see the original manuscript of "God Bless America."  Frank
    recall seeing a note that says Ted if you like this piece please let me know
    and I will have some sheet music printed up and it was sign by Irving.  That
    piece of history went for over 300 thousand dollars back then.

    Keep the flag waving everybody,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:51:14 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  contacts

    Does any one have a good current contact for any of the below peoples.  I
    have been working on a strong contact list for over 200 people we are
    planning to invited as guest on YUSA, but I need help on the below names.
    Please email me off list.

    1.  Rosemary Clooney
    2.  Jeff Corey
    3.  Vincent Sherman
    4.  Arnold Stang
    5.  Kelly Smith
    6.  Penny Singleton
    8.  Dean Stockwell
    9.  Kay Starr
    10.  Shirley Temple
    11. Barbara Rush
    12.  Debra Paget
    13.  Margaret O,Brien
    14.  Virginia O,Brien
    15.  Kim Novak
    16.  Shirley Mitchell
    17.  Gloria Jean
    18.  Betty Hutton
    19.  Trisa Wright

    Thank you for any help,

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:51:34 -0400
    From: lois@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:52:02 -0400
    From: "Doug Leary" <dleary@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Did local news used to be better?

    Coverage of the recent terrorist attacks reawakened me to the vast
    difference in quality between "real" news organizations run by the networks
    and the "me too" local news outfits. I'm speaking only of Seattle television
    stations in this case, but over the years it has been my experience that
    local news broadcasters trying to cover big events are to their network
    counterparts as high school student government is to the US Congress. From
    the atrocious abuse of the English language to the ubiquitous "live" reports
    from places where absolutely nothing is happening, the amateurish level of
    local news has always appalled me.

    Was it always this way, or did local news organizations have more class in
    the OTR era? Was there very much local news on the radio back then? And did
    local stations rely mostly on network national news feeds or originate it
    themselves? Also, I have the impression that people in general used to take
    more pride in their everyday speech, being more precise and using less
    slang. Did local broadcasters tend to have higher professional standards
    long ago?

    Doug Leary

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:52:22 -0400
    From: Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Red Skelton Pledge of Allegiance

    The Red Skelton version of the Pledge of Allegiance can be found and
    purchased at Lothian Skelton's web site in Red's honor at
    [removed].  The text of Red's version is available at
    [removed].  In my opinion Red himself was a national treasure.

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:52:34 -0400
    From: Duane Keilstrup <duanek9@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  When the Lights Go on Again All Over the World

    The great song being played on Yesterday USA is Vera Lynn's recording of
    "When the Lights Go on Again All Over the World."  YUSA has been playing a
    special presentation of American patriotic songs and recitations.

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:53:16 -0400
    From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Re: WEAF

    Howard Blue wonders,

> >     >From where  does (did?) Radio Station WEAF broadcast?

    WEAF had several Manhattan addresses over the course of its lifetime --

    July 1922-April 1923: AT&T Long Lines Headquarters, the Walker-Lispenard
    Building, 24 Walker St. Transmitter originally on the top floor of the
    Walker Street building (using call sign WBAY), but moved to Western
    Electric Laboratory, 463 West Street, in early August of 1922.

    April 1923-October 1927: AT&T Building, 195 Broadway. Transmitter located
    at the Western Electric Laboratory at 463 West Street. In 1926, after the
    station was sold to RCA, the transmitter was moved to Aeolian Hall, 33 W.
    42nd Street near 5th Avenue, which had also been the location of WJZ's
    transmitter.

    October 1927- November 1933: NBC Building, 711 5th Avenue. Both WEAF and
    WJZ had studios in this newly-constructed building. The WEAF transmitter
    moved to Bellmore, Long Island around the time of the 1927 move.
    Auxiliary studio opened at the New Amsterdam Theatre, 214 W. 42nd Street,
    1930. This studio was used for large scale live-audience programs which
    could not comfortably be accomodated at 711 5th Avenue.

    November 1933- November 1946: RCA Building, 30 Rockefeller Plaza.
    Transmitter remained at Bellmore until 1941, when it was moved to Port
    Washington, on Long Island Sound.

    WEAF became WNBC in November 1946, became WRCA in 1954, and WNBC again in
    1960. Studios remained at 30 Rock until it went off the air on 10/7/88.

    Elizabeth

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:54:01 -0400
    From: "Alecia" <ramble1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Can you answer this question

    Below is a question that I cannot answer. Can anyone on the list help? If so
    please contact me privately. I will forward your reply onto the person who
    has inquired.

    Thanks for your help,
    Alecia
    ramble1@[removed]

    Question:
    1

        I have been trying to find either the book or album of "The Littlest
    Christmas Tree"
    that was narrated by Red Skelton on the radio, probably in the mid or late
    sixties.  If you have ever heard of it I would appreciate an answer.

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:58:20 -0400
    From: passage@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Pledge of Alleigence - Red Skelton

>     I have a local librarian looking for a copy of a Red Skelton
>     recording or broadcast she heard over the weekend.

    Jerry Haendiges has it on his site, RealAudio format at:
        [removed]

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 10:58:43 -0400
    From: "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@[removed];
    To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Epitaphs, etc.

    As Superman would always say as he was getting ready to fly off
    into the wild blue yonder  "UP UP AND AWAYYYYY"   I think
    that would be a fitting epitaph for me :-)

    Arlene Osborne asked about Hudnut and who sang "When the
    lights go on again all over the world". This is strictly from memory
    and I could be wrong. I seem to recall the Richard Hudnut Co. made
    products for women, hair spray, beauty creams, etc. The song
    "When the lights, etc." was very popular during WW2 and was sung
    by various artists. But the most famous female singer at the time
    who sang it was Vera Lynn.

    Don Dean

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:17:26 -0400
    From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Coverage: Then and Now

    Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed]; wrote:

>     NBC, to its credit, ran continuous
>     coverage for over 24 hours after the invasion began -- while CBS, rather
>     embarassingly, returned to its regular schedule at 10 am on June 6th -- as
>     though anyone could possibly have cared what happened to "Valiant Lady" at
>     that particular point in history.

    Contrast that with June 6, 1994, when CBS-TV's coverage of the 50th
    anniversary events in Normandy (held at the same time of day) actually ran
    longer than the CBS radio coverage of the original event!

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 12:12:53 -0400
    From: "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Epitaph??

    "Thanks for the pleasure of your company!"

    I've used that phrase to end my radio programs and it might be my epitaph. I
    still say it on my Internet radio show since retiring from 40+ year career
    in broadcasting. [removed] know, I'm not ready to put it in stone. There's
    too much yet for me to do!!

    Russ Butler  russbutler@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:48:55 -0400
    From: leemunsick@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  WEAF

    To answer Howard's question:

    WBAY in New York City became WEAF, which became the flagship station of NBC
    (Red), next to WJZ which served the same role for Blue, and later ABC.

    Both were 50,000 Watt Clear Channel at their peak (sorry 'bout that).

    NBC was owned by RCA.  They decided to change their NYC call to WNBC.

    For a few years it jiggled back and forth WNBC-WRCA-WNBC-WRCA and so on,
    then finally settled to WRCA on AM, FM and TV.  660 AM, TV Channel 4.

    When GE purchased RCA and dumped the NBC radio network a few years back,
    that AM slot became WFAN, an all-sports station still at 660.

    In the same alphabet swoop (ouch), ABC changed WJZ to WABC, swiping the
    call from CBS, which re-named that NYC outlet WCBS.  Are you following all
    this?  I won't even go into all those massive frequency changes!

    We today are all lacking that great old standard reference "White's Radio
    Log", so I do not know if there is a WEAF extant.  For that and the dates
    for all this (if one really cares), I'll leave it to those whose reference
    libraries are current, and not all packed away like mine!

    Be well.  Lee Munsick

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:16:16 -0400
    From: LPEVANS221@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Elephant boy

    Hi Gang,

    The character on Smilin' Ed's show was Gunga. He was a mahout, which was a
    driver and trainer of elephants. He did this for the Maharaja of Bakore. His
    elephant's name was Teela. His friend was Rama, another mahout.

    As to the question of who sang "When The Lights Go On Again All Over The
    World". I did not hear the specific broadcast, but my guess would be Vera
    Lynn. She had a big hit of that song.

    I hope that some find this information helpful.

    Larry - WA8DDN

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:21:53 -0400
    From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Few Lasting Memories? - Buster Brown Stories

    Hi Gang -                   September 19, 2001 -- Wednesday - 5:45 PM cdt

    In issue 307, Stephen A Kallis reports that the rather simplistic stories
    that Smilin' Ed McConnell told had created few lasting memories.
    One story lasting in my memory (for over half-a-century) was told every
    year around December 31 or January 1 in the late 1940's.
    It was a story about a clock which had a mystical rotating ring rather
    than a pendulum.  There were figures chasing each other around the
    ring.  There were animals and people and even a dragon, if I remember
    correctly.   On New Years Eve they came to life and presented a drama
    as to how they became enchanted by a wizard.  I think the wizard was
    also a character.  The "chime" of the clock was a strange little tune that
    played at intervals throughout the story.  I'm sure the story was as
    simplistic as all the others, but it sure stuck in my memory - particularly
    the music when the clock chimed.   I heard the story at least three times,
    in three separate years, so it was broadcast that many times, probably more.

    There must be someone else who remembers this strange tale, and
    I'm hoping that there might even be a recording of it - I sure would like to
    have a copy.

    By the way, the Elephant Boy's name was Gunga (possibly spelled Gonga)
    and the elephant's name was Teela.  I believe the Desert Boy's name was
    Ali.  The Geni lived in a Jug until summoned by Ali.  He was refered to as
    "The Geni of the Jug".   I listened to the Buster Brown Gang every Saturday,
    and I still remember a few of the stories.

    See you in Newark -- Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois
    kenpiletic@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:43:32 -0400
    From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Pearl Harbor Coverage

    Elizabeth and Chris both mentioned the phoney Philharmonic broadcast
    interruption by CBS with news of the Pearl Harbor bombing. Though Chris
    referred to it as a mish-mash, the first part where John Daly announces the
    "We [removed]" is actually from his announcement on the death of FDR. If
    you listen carefully, you will hear a dropout difference from his opening
    compared to his actual announcement, which as Elizabeth mentioned comes
    from the opening news broadcast at 2:30 PM.

    On NBC and why they did not replace full coverage with the scheduled
    program - I tend also toward Elizabeth's explanation. However, there were
    some shows that were pre-empted. While researching this day recently at the
    LOC the Master Books had a regular reference to "credit given for
    cancellation at xxxx time" for any program they pre-empted. The Longines
    Symphonette show was pre-empted. It ran from 4:30 PM to 5:00 PM over Red.
    The MB mentions that "credit for Longines cancellation at 5:00 PM" was
    given. Also a portion of Sherwin-Williams Metropolitan Opera Auditions show
    was cancelled at 5:15 PM and the MB notes that "ad libbed credit for
    cancellation at 5:29:15 PM."  So if there was sponsor cooperation, it would
    have to have been obtained rather quickly because it wasn't always clear
    when or what bulletins were coming in.

    Another document I have comes from their Program Analysis Division and is
    about the Pearl Harbor attack. Their first bulletin was at 2:29:50 PM and
    was read by Robert Eisenbach, a news writer in the NBC newsroom. A second
    report (referencing what Chris mentioned) was at 2:38:20 and among other
    things mentioned "a simultaneous air attack on army and navy bases in
    [removed]"  There is a notation which states "this report later proved to
    be incorrect."  As he said, it wasn't until the next day that Manila was
    actually bombed.

    Jim Widner
    jwidner@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:43:50 -0400
    From: Richard Carpenter <sinatra@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Tapes and MP3s

       Two topics:

        1.) I thank all those who either have offered to make a copy of my
    missing tape from the CBS collection, or have suggested I contact Radio
    Spirits. I did the latter, and Radio Spirits is kindly sending me a
    replacement. Glad I said nothing nasty about the company during the recent
    discussion of copyrights, etc.
       2.) For those who have been waiting for the price to come down, there is a
    new model of the Rio Volt that sells for under $100. It doesn't have quite as
    many features as the other models, but will play old time radio MP3s on CD-R
    every bit as well. I've yet to find an MP3 that my Volt won't play.

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