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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2007 : Issue 334
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Christmas shows on Radio              [ "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed] ]
  RE: Bow-Wow                           [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
  Benny and Allen on TV                 [ Rob Chatlin <rchatlin@[removed] ]
  A trilogy of current events           [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
  Robert Hall jingle -- I Doubt "Again  [ "Glenn P.," <C128User@[removed]; ]
  Jane Bishir                           [ JayHick@[removed] ]
  OTR Christmas                         [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
  Re: Waterman and his time as Gildy    [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  11-27 births/deaths                   [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  Dogs, dogs, dogs                      [ "Danica L. Stein" <furrygirl@comcas ]
  OTR News Coverage                     [ Neal Ellis <bstenor@[removed]; ]

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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:32:31 -0500
From: "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Christmas shows on Radio

There has been some discussion about Christmas shows
on old-time radio.

You might be interested in [removed]
programs. There are two one-hour specials, entitled
"Echoes of Christmas Past" from 1967 and 1958, plus
Golden Age of Radio Program 57, from December,
1974, all of which referred to Christmas shows on
old-time radio.

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Bob Scherago
Webmaster and former WTIC Engineer
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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:33:00 -0500
From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  RE: Bow-Wow

I have a vague recollection that one of the "Thirteen by Corwin" was the
story of a boy looking for his lost dog among a whole slew of supernatural
characters. The kicker that comes at the end is that both boy and dog had
been hit by a car and killed, and they somehow became separated in the
afterlife. Anyone remember if that really was a Corwin story or was it
something else?

There's also a new time radio commercial featuring a Search and Rescue dog
named Brutus. Brutus explains, in Dog, how he had rescued a little boy in an
abandoned or wrecked building. Meanwhile there's a voiceover of a translator
rendering Brutus' barks into English. The commercial is for the Search Dog
Foundation and is online at
[removed] . Enjoy.

Thanx,
[removed]

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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:33:23 -0500
From: Rob Chatlin <rchatlin@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Benny and Allen on TV

A trade magazine I receive for Entertainment Post Production mentions
an upcoming (2009) PBS documentary called "Make 'Em Laugh : The Funny
Business of America"
that will feature some long unseen clips from Fred Allen's "Allen's
Alley" TV show, and a "unique" (their quotes)
behind the scenes shot of Jack Benny and Eddie Anderson looking over
scripts. The article attributes the source
of these materials to the "March of Time" newsreels, so I'm unsure if
they've been available elsewhere.

rob

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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:34:09 -0500
From: <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  A trilogy of current events

Frank McGurn apparently overlooked my earlier digest note when he wrote
regarding Willard Waterman:

he just stated NINE Years,  but figure it out  he ended radio in
March of  1957

Earlier I observed:

In my research for The Great Radio Sitcoms, the final Gildy show I was able
to discover aired Thursday, March 27, 1958 at 8 [removed] ET on NBC.

Gildersleeve persisted to at least 1958, not 1957.

On another subject:

I'm amazed how much has been proffered in two or three weeks about Robert
Hall.  Man, if Marshall Fields had been able to grab that many headlines, it
might be operating under its own appellation!  Sears and K-Mart might not be
on troubled lists.  And Spartan and Zayre might still be around.

On yet another topic, I've enjoyed the thread about dogs running through
recent digests.  It reminds me of occasions I returned home to visit and
overheard one of my parents say to the other, "It's time for the dog story!"
They parked in front of the TV to watch the next installment of Sergeant
Preston (and his wonder dog King).  "Dog story," I chuckled to myself ... a
right clever, albeit apropos designation.  It was essentially the same tale
I listened to a few years earlier when I made up pictures in my head.

Jim Cox

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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:36:29 -0500
From: "Glenn P.," <C128User@[removed];
To: "[The Old-Time Radio Mailing List]" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Robert Hall jingle -- I Doubt "Again"

"Mr. Russ Butler" <SongBook2@[removed]; wrote:

School bells ring and children sing It's back to Robert Hall
again. Mother knows for better clothes, go back to Robert
Hall again. You'll save more on clothes for school! Shop at
Robert Hall!

I'm listening to the jingle on audio, and I think the word "again"
should not be there (on both occasions) -- [removed], that it's not
present in the actual jingle:

School bells ring, and children sing,
It's back to Robert Hall;
Mother knows, for better clothes,
It's back to Robert Hall.
You'll save more on clothes for school --
Shop at Robert Hall!

Why children should SING at hearing *school bells*, I have no idea.
Wouldn't "puke" be a lot more like [removed]     :)

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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:44:19 -0500
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jane Bishir
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John Sebastian's mother (Lovin' Spoonful), Jane Bishir or Jane Sebastian,
wrote for radio apparently.   Does anyone know any of the shows she wrote
for.
His father was on several radio shows playing the harmonica.   Jay Hickerson

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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:44:29 -0500
From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR Christmas

Looking for a Christmas  Prpgram Try,  Shadow [The]    12/22/1940  #13
"Joey's Christmas Story" or
Abbott & Costello 12/20/1945  # 118 "Plans for the Christmas Party,
Radio Readers Digest  12/18/1947      "Songs from Heaven"
First Nighter "Little Town of Bethlem"   12/22/1945
The Halllmark Playhouse  12/23/1948  #27 "Silent Night"  Story of Silent
Night.
The Fred Waring  Christmas Program  12/27/1948

Frank McGurn

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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:18:02 -0500
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Waterman and his time as Gildy

Ken Greenwald makes several assumptions that really, really cannot be left
unanswered.

Don't forget that, in the Golden Age of Radio, a season
lasted 39 weeks, followed by summer vacation. A 39 week
season of shows would start about September or October
of a given year, then finish in June of the following year.
. . .To the best of my knowledge, all radio series ran from
September/October of one year and always ended in June
of the next year.

You cannot make such an assumption.  That may be standard practice on many
prime-time programs, but not all of them.  There can there be many reasons
for exceptions.  First of all, this 39 week season is rarely the case
outside of prime time.  Many programs had 13, 26, or year-round 52 week
runs. Or two months, or some other time period that was important to the
sponsor, the station, the network, or the situation.  I think Charlie will
have a rough time keeping up with digest transmissions if people started
posting info about series that had other than Fall-to-Spring 39-week runs.
All you have to do is look at almost any of Joe Mackey's weekly lists to see
exceptions.  This week we see that "The FBI In Peace and War" debuted
11/25/44 and a number of soap operas ended on that date in 1960, "Bride and
Groom" debuted 11/26/45, "Mr. First Nighter" debuted 11/27/30, and "I'll Fly
Anything" debuted 11/30/50.  That's just one list. And what shows did these
new shows replace?  Those didn't last till June.   In addition to planned
alternate runs, there were always many chances for changes.  Programs WERE
occasionally cancelled.  Sponsors or networks did decide to make midseason
changes.  Other things could have intervened.

Please bare this [Sept/Oct to June season] in mind when calculating the
years anyone plays a role on a series.

 Performers did die.  Performers did move on to other opportunities.
Performers did quit. Performers were drafted.  Performers were blacklisted.
Performers got pregnant.  Performers got ill. Performers got fired.  etc.
etc. etc. etc.  The LAST thing I would do is ASSUME that if someone played a
role at the beginning of a season in September that he or she would still be
there in June.  I would ALWAYS do the research, and not just assume.

Thus, if Willard Waterman said he had been Gildy for
9 years, then the 9th year would have ended in 1959
(assuming the first year he was Gildy started in 1950).
I think you see my point.

I see your point and absolutely, totally, and completely reject it. You are
putting words into his mouth that he did not say.  Any researcher worth his
or her salt will CHECK the dates and data and never, never, never put words
into someone's mouth and assume that your mathematical calculation will
match the documented data.  I asked Frank McGurn if Waterman himself
actually said on the tape that he played the role into the specific year of
1959.  Waterman did not say it, and it is doing Waterman a big, big
disservice to assume that he said 1959 and then accuse him of not knowing
what he was talking about because the show was not on in 1959.  He didn't
say it was on in the year 1959.  He didn't say he played the role in the
year 1959. Some of our posters assumed he said he played the role in 1959,
and then it became an item that Waterman had made a mistake.

Don't do things like this.  Don't say that he said something unless he DID
say it.  That is not fair, and it has the potential of screwing up all
future researchers who see the comment that Waterman said he continued to
play the role in 1959 and then repeats that as if Waterman had actually said
it.  That is why so much of OTR "research" from years back is so screwed up
until real researchers go back and look at the ORIGINAL data or in Frank's
case listen to the ORIGINAL interview, and correct the assumptions of others
who did not check the original data.  I've spent over 40 years correcting
the "research" of others who based their "facts" on "assumptions."

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:18:08 -0500
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  11-27 births/deaths

November 27th births

11-27-1881 - C. Mildred Thompson - Atlanta, GA - d. 2-17-1975
historian, educator, feminist: "Information Please"
11-27-1882 - Norman Baker - Muscatine, IL - d. xx-xx-1958
vaudevillian: "Mr. Baker Himself"
11-27-1890 - Gladys Rice - Philadelphia, PA - d. 9-7-1983
singer: "Roxy's Gang"; "Lucky Strike Dance Orchestra"; "Voice of
Firestone"
11-27-1893 - Harry Foster Welch - Annapolis, MD - d. 8-16-1973
actor: "Shell Show"
11-27-1897 - Vera Allen - NYC - d. 8-10-1987
actor: Grace Doblen "Hilltop House"; Mother Malone "Young Dr. Malone"
11-27-1898 - Eddie Kay - NYC - d. 12-22-1973
composer, conductor: "Those We Love"
11-27-1901 - Ted Husing - The Bronx, NY - d. 8-10-1962
announcer, sportscaster: "Sportslants"; "March of Time"; "Radio
Reader's Digest"
11-27-1902 - J. Scott Smart - Philadelphia, PA - d. 1-15-1960
actor: Senator Bloat "Fred Allen Show"; Brad Runyon "Fat Man"
11-27-1904 - Florence Lake - Charleston, SC - d. 4-11-1980
actor: (Sister of Arthur Lake) Tess Terwilliger "David Harum"
11-27-1909 - George Hogan - Kansas City, MO
announcer: "Luncheon at Sardi's"; "Snow Village Sketches"
11-27-1910 - Ray  Herbeck - Los Angeles, CA - d. 1-17-1989
bandleader: "Ray Herbeck and His Orchestra"
11-27-1911 - Charles Wood - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 11-10-1997
announcer: "The Green Hornet"; "The Lone Ranger"
11-27-1915 - Ralph Bell -NYC - d. 8-2-1998
actor: Travis Rogers "Barrie Craig, Confidential Investigator";
Alfred Drake "This Is Nora Drake"
11-27-1916 - Chick Hearn - Buda, IL - d. 8-5-2002
sportscaster: "Pabst Blue Ribbon Bouts"; "Los Angeles Lakers play-by
play"
11-27-1917 - Buffalo Bob Smith - Buffalo, NY - d. 7-30-1998
actor: Howdy Doody "Howdy Doody"
11-27-1925 - Ernie Wise - Leeds, England - d. 3-21-1999
comedian: "The Eric Morecambe and Ernie Wise Radio Show"; "Bandwagon"
11-27-1925 - Marshall Thompson - Peoria, IL - d. 5-18-1992
actor: "Free World Theatre"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
11-27-1925 - Michael Tolan - Detroit, MI
actor: Kato "Green Hornet"

November 27th deaths

01-01-1889 - Alexander Smallens  - St. Petersburg, Russia - d.
11-27-1972
conductor: "Rising Musical Star"
01-02-1892 - Artur Rodzinski - Dalmatia, Yugoslavia - d. 11-27-1958
concuctor: "NBC Symphony Orchestra"; "Cleveland Symphony Orchestra"
01-15-1906 - Sully Mason - Durham, NC - d. 11-27-1970
singer: "Kay Kyser's Kollege of Musical Knowledge"
02-05-1906 - John Carradine - NYC - d. 11-27-1988
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
04-15-1910 - Eddie Mayo - Holyoke, MA - d. 11-27-2006
major league baseball player: "World Series Preview"
06-02-1928 - Bob Amsberry - Boring, OR - d. 11-27-1957
actor: KEX Portland, Oregon
07-06-1927 - Alan "Fluff" Freeman - Melbourne, Australia - d. 11-27-2006
announcer, singer: "Records Around Five"; "Pick of the Pops"
07-14-1909 - Walter Gross - NYC - d. 11-27-1967
composer, pianist: "Piano Playhouse"; "Carnation Contented Hour"
07-14-1910 - Boris Aplon - Chicago, IL - d. 11-27-1995
actor: Ivan Shark "Captain Midnight"
07-19-1891 - Raymond Bramley - Independence, OH - d. 11-27-1977
actor: Burton York "Howie Wing"; Silas Finke "David Harum"
08-03-1925 - Billy James Hargis - Texarkana, TX - d. 11-27-2004
preacher: Broadcast his ministry on more than 500 radio stations.
08-09-1906 - Gunnar Back - Escanaba, MI - d. 11-27-1983
newscaster: "CBS Morning News Roundup"; "Headline Addition"
10-16-1888 - Eugene O'Neill - NYC - d. 11-27-1953
playwright: "NBC Presents Eugene O'Neill"; "Pulitzer Prize Plays";
"Best Plays"
11-04-1910 - Abby Lewis - Mesilla Park, NM - d. 11-27-1997
actor: Telephone Operator "House in the Country"
12-16-1892 - Cameron Prud'homme - Auburn, CA - d. 11-27-1967
actor: Governor Bradley "Little Herman"; David Harum "David Harum"
xx-xx-xxxx - Spencer Bentley - d. 11-27-1963
actor: Barry Cameron "Barry Cameron"; Bob "Betty and Bob"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:16:37 -0500
From: "Danica L. Stein" <furrygirl@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Dogs, dogs, dogs

I do an OTR radio show here in Western Vermont on WIUV [removed] FM, the
campus radio station at Castleton State College. I usually have some
sort of a theme, and choose shows that fit the theme. Mostly, I play
comedies. I actually had a theme called "Dogs" and here are the shows I
considered (I don't recall right now which ones I played on the show):

Halls Of Ivy 4-14-1950 Mrs. Foster's Lost Dog
The Halls are on their way to a big-deal dinner when they find a lost
dog. As a result they are very late for dinner, but as it turns out,
the dog belongs to their hostess.

Great Gildersleeve  12-28-1941 Leroy's Big Dog
Leroy's friend Piggy pawns off his dog "Tiny" on Leroy. Gildersleeve
thinks it's a great idea for a boy to have a dog, until "Tiny" moves
in. As you might guess, Tiny is not so tiny.

Fitch Bandwagon 12-07-1947 A Dog for the Kids
Phil and Alice decide to get a dog for the kids. (I forget what
happens, but it involves a stolen dog)

Fibber McGee and Molly 1-13-1953 Fibber Buys A Puppy
Fibber has a plan to make a fast buck. He overhears Old Man McDonald,
the president of the Third National Bank, say that he would give $50
for a brown and white puppy. So, Fibber goes down to the pet shop and
buys a pup for $10 to sell to McDonald, for $50. When he gets to
McDonald's office with the dog to clinch the deal, he finds out that
McDonald is a gardener, and what he actually said was "poppy."

Fibber McGee and Molly  10-31-1951 Young Fireball, The McGees' New Dog
Uncle Sycamore is sending Fibber a dog. Fibber can't wait, as the dog
is a relative of "Old Fireball," Fibber's childhood canine buddy.
"Young Fireball" arrives and warms up to [removed] Fibber.

Fibber McGee and Molly 11-30-1943 Teeny's Missing Dog
Teeny comes to Fibber for help finding her blue-eyed, long-eared,
stubby-tailed dog. The McGees scour Wistful Vista, only to come up
empty. When they sadly inform Teeny they couldn't find the dog, the
girl reveals that she's been looking for this dog for [removed]'s
always wanted a little dog.

Fibber McGee and Molly 3-19-1940 Dog License Problem
The McGees receive a registered letter demanding that they get a new
[removed] dog license. But, they don't have a dog, so Fibber sets out
to correct the problem. Turns out it would be easier to just get a dog
and get the license.

Our Miss Brooks 5-22-49 Peanuts, the Great Dane
Miss Brooks ends up babysitting a very large dog for a woman she barely
knows, and tries to find someone else to take the creature.

I don't know if this is what you had in mind, but I am happy to share
the results of my research (poring over show logs for hours looking for
any shows about dogs!). Woof!

--Danica
Danica L. Stein
Poultney, VT

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Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:57:44 -0500
From: Neal Ellis <bstenor@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR News Coverage
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I am looking for records of any are all of the following:

  08/31/54  Plane HIts Empire State Bldg. Mutual Coverage
  08/31/54  Dictabelt recording being made when plane hits Empire State Bldg.
  ------------  WBZ Tower falls on station during broadcast
  11/01/50  Blair House Shooting
  00/00/37  Flood broadcast WFBR Baltimore relaying WSM relaying WHAS

  If you can help please let me know.

Neal Ellis
Old Time Radio On MP3  [removed]
Vintage TV and Radio News  [removed]

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