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Date: 12/16/2009 10:18 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2009 : Issue 242
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Cinnamon Bear                         [ Kevin Bristol <citadel92@[removed] ]
      ERRATA to "LONG Words On 'The Cinnam  [ "Glenn P.," <C128User@[removed]; ]
      Cinnamon Bear, Green Hornet           [ Steve Darnall <fvpress@[removed] ]
      Val Avery                             [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
      [removed] Val Avery                      [ Derek Tague <thatderek@[removed]; ]
      Margot Stevenson's Husband Dies       [ Doug Douglass <dougdouglass@[removed] ]
      Radio Morals in the late 30s          [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Stars in Merchant Marine              [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
      Re:Loyality Oaths and a question abo  [ pauljustmill <pauljustmill@[removed]; ]
      Newspaper Archive                     [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
      Yours Truly Johnny Dollar             [ Jandpgardner@[removed] ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
      12-16 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      Health Care on radio                  [ Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:10:05 -0500
    From: Kevin Bristol <citadel92@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cinnamon Bear
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    It's been tossed around that all the extra music without the ads in the
    Cinnamon Bear is a waste of time and space. I guess it depends on who is
    listening to it. My two year old son loves the music. Each night we start the
    show and the music allows him time to get the Cinnamon Bear book and his
    blanket and then crawl into the chair with me. At the end of the episode when
    the music comes back on, he simply says "daddy, dance with me" and we do.

    I wouldn't trade that extra two plus of minutes of time for anything else in
    the world.

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    Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:10:16 -0500
    From: "Glenn P.," <C128User@[removed];
    To: "[The Old-Time Radio Mailing List]" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  ERRATA to "LONG Words On 'The Cinnamon Bear'..."

              "Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it."
                             --Hal 9000,
                               "2001: A Space Odyssey"

    I hear you, Hal. I hear you. And I share your grief. I think MY mind is
    going, too -- I can't even COUNT straight anymore!!!

    I made a couple of whoop-de-doos in my long post there: it seems there are
    SEVEN discs (not six), and only TWENTY-six episodes (and not THIRTY-six) of
    "The Cinnamon Bear".

    That, naturally, throws off all of my elaborate calculations. I'll spare you
    the gory details; suffice that the series wastes 4,160 seconds, or 69:20,
    which amounts to a little over five and a half episodes' worth of space,
    rather than more than seven as I originally thought.

    But even though that's a lot less than I originally thought, it's STILL a
    monstrous amount of wasted space!

    To Frank McGurn -- the recordings you want are on the SEVENTH and last (not
    the "sixth and last", as I originally said) disk of the 7-CD set (NOT the
    "6-CD set" that I orignally mentioned); they are labelled "Audition sides 1
    and 2".

    Sincere apologies for the mistakes -- I really DO care about such things! :(

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    Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:11:41 -0500
    From: Steve Darnall <fvpress@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Cinnamon Bear, Green Hornet

    Two points from Digest 240 that I wanted to comment on:

    1) As I think we all know, the Cinnamon Bear ran for 26 episodes, not
    36--unless that music's longer than I [removed]
    2) Martin's post about the Green Hornet compels me to mention that he and
    Terry Salomonson allowed us to print an excerpt from the book in the new
    Winter 2010 issue of Nostalgia Digest. To preview what looks like a great
    book, go to [removed]

    And of course, this Saturday, Those Were the Days ([removed]) wraps up the
    Cinnamon Bear with the final four chapters.

    Steve

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    Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:12:06 -0500
    From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Val Avery

    The NYT is reporting the passing of actor Val Avery
    ([removed];ref=obituaries).
    His widow is Margot Stevenson. I presume that's *the* Margot Stevenson -- the
    second Margo Lane, and the inspiration for the character's name? (I've always
    heard that it's spelled Margot in the radio scripts, though having never seen
    any I can't verify this. I do know that when Gibson imported her into the
    pulp books he dropped the "t.")

    Kermyt

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    Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:13:20 -0500
    From: Derek Tague <thatderek@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  [removed] Val Avery
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    I just fouind out that movie tough guy character actor Val Avery has died. He
    was married to Margot Stevenson, "the lovely Margot Lane" from "The Shadow,"
    who survives him.

    Derek Tague

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    Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:09:41 -0500
    From: Doug Douglass <dougdouglass@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Margot Stevenson's Husband Dies
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    Obit for actor Val Avery from The New York Times, Tuesday, December 15.

    [removed];ref=obituaries

    Doug Douglass

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    Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:10:52 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Radio Morals in the late 30s

    Speaking about radio morals in the late 30s: I just recently watched the 1941
    Paramount film, SULLIVAN'S TRAVELS.

    It's the story of a Hollywood director (played by Joel McCrea), tired of
    churning out lightweight comedies, and wants to make a serious, socially
    responsible film about human suffering. After his producers point out that he
    knows knowing of hardship, he hits the road as a hobo. Along the way he meets
    the beautiful Veronica Lake and discovers that hardship comes when you're not
    looking for it. And how people with hardship find escape in movies -- and
    what they prefer to watch. A magnificent film but on top of that I realized a
    bit of inside humor. In the beginning of the film, one of the producers kept
    trying to convince McCrea to add a little sex in his next movie. No matter
    what was proposed, it had to "have a little sex." They used the word quite
    freely for what could have been substituted for "romance." But while McCrea
    was a married man in the film, his relationship with Lake was VERY
    interesting. They slept together (twice) and held hands throughout the film.
    She groomed him, combed his hair, and yet, even at the end of the movie when
    he learned he would not be married for long as his wife just got remarried,
    thinking he was dead, he never once kisses Veronica Lake through the entire
    movie! She doesn't kiss him! Ala, NO SEX. No smoochy smoochy.

    What I question is whether or not the story was dramatized on radio. To my
    knowledge, it never was as I cannot find it among the broadcast logs and
    reference guides. If it was dramatized on radio, I would be curious to know
    if they ever kissed during the radio adaptation. Anyone know if SULLIVAN'S
    TRAVELS was ever adapted to radio?

    Martin

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    Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:11:02 -0500
    From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
    To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Stars in Merchant Marine

    In 1975 I interviewed Huntz Hall (of the Bowery Boys films) for about
    an hour in his hotel room in St. Louis, where he was doing a stage
    play in that region.

    He told me that most of the boys in "his gang" were in their mid-20s
    in 1942 when the draft intensified. (Leo Gorcey was the oldest at 25
    that year; Bobby Jordan was the youngest at age 19.)  Several of
    them, including Hall, joined the Merchant Marines. I didn't pursue
    the subject at the time, but he indicated it was not very restrictive
    for them. He recalled he'd be serving in coastal Pacific waters for
    perhaps 3-4 weeks and would get a week off to film another Bowery
    Boys movie and then would then return to sea duty.

     From October 1941 to October 1942 five new Bowery Boys films were
    released; they were called "The East Side Kids" during WW II  in
    these Monogram movies produced by Sam Katzman.

    I believe the only "Bowery Boy" to actually serve in combat was
    Jordan, who served as a soldier in the 97th Infantry in Europe for
    two years and was discharged in 1945.

    Jack French
    Editor: RADIO RECALL
    <[removed]>

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    Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:11:11 -0500
    From: pauljustmill <pauljustmill@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:Loyality Oaths  and a question about ILM
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    Loyalty Oaths were required as late as 1963 for people entering state service
    in Calif.  I signed one then and it may have gone on longer.

    A few months ago there was a mention of some of the old I love a Mystery
    scripts being recorded.  I think It was mentioned that the first one would be
    presented at the OTR convention in (Puget Sound?) Wash.  Is this a died issue
    or is it still in the works?

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    Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:11:20 -0500
    From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Newspaper Archive
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    A couple years ago, someone at the Cincinnati Old Time Radio Convention
    mentioned a web-site that was, in their opinion, better than
    [removed] I cannot find my notes from the convention but was
    wondering if anyone had any suggestions?
    Martin

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    Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:12:30 -0500
    From: Jandpgardner@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Yours Truly Johnny Dollar

    Does anyone know if there is a book written about this series? I don't mean
     a log such as the excellent one by Terry Salomonson. If there is no such
    book,  as there were over 800 episodes broadcast, of which over 700 are
    available, it  would seem that a book about this series would be very popular
    and
    a good  seller. Perhaps someone will get around to writing it one day.

    John Gardner

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    Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:12:01 -0500
    From: charlie@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
    and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
    over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
    of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
    real-time OTR talk!

    Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
    others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
    range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
    it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
    it's always a good time!

    For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
    week and every week!

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    Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:32:19 -0500
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  12-16 births/deaths

    December 16th births

    12-16-1889 - Kurt Kupfer - d. 3-20-1974
    actor: the kindly Joseph Steinbloch "Romance of Helen Trent"
    12-16-1890 - Jane Morgan - North Platte, NE - d. 1-1-1972
    actor: Mary Lane "Aunt Mary"; Mrs. Margaret Davis "Our Miss Brooks"
    12-16-1892 - Cameron Prud'homme - Auburn, CA - d. 11-27-1967
    actor: Governor Bradley "Little Herman"; David Harum "David Harum"
    12-16-1895 - Andy Razaf - Washington, D. C. - d. 2-3-1973
    lyricist: "Music for Millions"
    12-16-1898 - Lud Gluskin - NYC - d. 10-13-1989
    conductor: "Hollywood Showcase"; "Amos 'n' Andy"; "Advs. of Sam Spade"
    12-16-1899 - Noel Coward - Teddington, Middlesex, England - d. 3-26-1973
    actor, playwright: "Stagestruck"
    12-16-1900 - Jesse Block - NYC - d. 3-22-1983
    comedian: appeared with wife Eve Sully on radio
    12-16-1907 - Albert Gore, Sr. - Granville, TN - d. 12-5-1998
    [removed] senator tennessee: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
    12-16-1911 - Howard Reilly - d. 11-28-1991
    producer: "The Fred Allen Show"
    12-16-1912 - "Kokomo" Crocker - Tennessee - d. 11-xx-1972
    accordian: "The Swift Jewel Cowboys"
    12-16-1913 - Verlye Mills - St. John, KS - d. 10-2-1983
    harpist: "The Hour of Charm"; "Your Hit Parade"
    12-16-1917 - Arthur C. Clarke - Minehead, England - d. 3-19-2008
    science fiction writer: "The Long John Nebel Show"
    12-16-1918 - Murray Kempton - Baltimore, MD - d. 5-5-1997
    commentator: "Spectrum"
    12-16-1918 - Paul Talbot - d. 7-6-2005
    actor: "It Happened to Me"; "Let's Playwright"
    12-16-1921 - Grace Keagy - Youngstown, OH - d. 10-4-2009
    actor: "A Private Space"
    12-16-1946 - Robert Urich - Toronto, OH - d. 4-16-2002
    salesman: WGN Chicago, Illinois

    December 16th deaths

    01-02-1888 - Tito Schipa - Lecce, Italy - d. 12-16-1965
    operatic tenor: "Metropolitan Opera"; "La Rosa Concerts"
    01-25-1874 - Somerset Maughan - Paris, France - d. 12-16-1965
    writer: " Somerset Maughan Theatre"
    02-02-1923 - Haleloke Kahuaolapus - Hilo, Hawaii Territory - d.
    12-16-2004
    singer: "Hawaii Calls"; "Arthur Godfrey Time"
    02-08-1917 - Robert Dryden - d. 12-16-2003
    actor: Doctor West "We Love and Learn"; Sergeant Maggio "Call the
    Police"
    03-03-1919 - Enzo Stuarti - Rome, Italy - d. 12-16-2005
    operatic singer: "Stars for Defense"
    03-07-1906 - Edward Mabley - Binghampton, NY - d. 12-16-1984
    writer: "The American School of the Air"
    03-10-1882 - Lewis J. Valentine - Brooklyn, NY - d. 12-16-1946
    nyc police commissioner: "Gangbusters"
    04-21-1891 - Will Donaldson - Brooklyn, NY - d. 12-16-1954
    composer, arranger, musician: "The Wonder Bakers Orchestra"
    05-08-1908 - Cecil Broadhurst - Winnipeg, Canada - d. 12-16-1981
    actor, singer, writer: "The Vanishing Island"
    05-12-1910 - Jack Jenney - Mason City, IA - d. 12-16-1945
    trombonist: "The Saturday Night Swing Club"
    07-14-1928 - George "Cousin Josh" Rose - Huntsville, AL - d. 12-16-2006
    country singer: "Grand Ole Opry"
    07-23-1895 - Aileen Pringle - San Francisco, CA - d. 12-16-1989
    actor: Anne Hill "Joyce Jordan, Girl Interne"
    07-29-1895 - Bill Corum - Speed, MO - d. 12-16-1958
    boxing color man: "Gillettes's Cavalcade of Sports"
    07-29-1906 - Thelma Todd - Lawrence, MA - d. 12-16-1935
    comedian: Series with Zasu Pitts
    08-02-1886 - Cesare Sodero - Naples, Italy - d. 12-16-1947
    conductor: Series of condensed operas on WEAF New York
    09-19-1879 - Louis Joseph Vance - NYC - d. 12-16-1933
    writer: "The Lone Wolf"
    10-19-1925 - Eddie Layton - d. 12-16-2004
    organist: New York Yankees and many radio programs
    11-05-1948 - Ruth Welting - Memphis, TN - d. 12-16-1999
    coloratura soprano: "Metropolitan Opera"
    11-20-1910 - Ralph Muzzillo - d. 12-16-1985
    trombone: (Benny Goodman's Orchestra) "Let's Dance"
    12-17-1892 - T. Frederick Candlyn - England - d. 12-16-1964
    pianist: WGY Schenectady, New York

    Ron

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    Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:43:25 -0500
    From: Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Health Care on radio

    Under the heading, Everything Old is New Again, check out the Fred Allen
    Show, 11-25-45. The Allen's Alley question is, what do you think of the
    president's new health care proposal? The show is at

    [removed]

    It's in the third grouping of shows, then scroll down to "Brooklyn Pinafore."
    Actually, as long as you're there, stick around for the very clever takeoff
    on HMS Pinafore with Leo Durocher.

    AB
    _________________

    Alan/Linda Bell
    Santa Rosa, CA

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