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Date: 6/17/2004 4:18 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2004 : Issue 205
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  6-17 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Re: WGN Recordings                    [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  early news coverage on radio          [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  Brace Beemer Interviews               [ Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed]; ]
  RE: Jiminy Cricket - Encyclopedia so  [ "Kris Stone" <anaheim47@[removed] ]
  Wall Street Journal historical radio  [ "ANDREW OOMS" <oomspine@cybertrails ]
  OTR politician, maybe!                [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
  Actors in politics                    [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  YTJD-Sea Legs Matter                  [ Jandpgardner@[removed] ]

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 15:54:27 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  6-17 births/deaths

June 17th births

06-17-1904 - Ralph Bellamy - Chicago, IL - d. 11-29-1991
actor: "These Are Our Men"
06-17-1910 - Red Foley - Blue Lick, KY - d. 9-19-1968
singer: "National Barn Dance"; "Grand Ole Opry"; "Red Foley Show"
06-17-1914 - John Hersey - Tientsin, China - d. 3-24-1993
author: "Bell for Adano"; "Hiroshima"
06-17-1919 - Beryl Reid - Hereford, England - d. 10-13-1996
actress: Monica "Educating Archie"
06-17-1921 - Ben Morris - Oklahoma City, OK - d. 8-18-1982
actor: Pat Novak "Pat Novak for Hire"
06-17-1922 - Jerry Fielding - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 2-17-1980
conductor: "Hardy Family"; "Jack Paar Show"; "You Bet Your Life"
06-17-1923 - Elroy "Crazylegs" Hirsch - Wausau, WI - d. 1-28-2004
pro football hall of fame, host: "Elroy Hirsch Sports Show"; "Touchdown Tips"

June 17th deaths

05-01-1907 - Kate Smith - Greenville, VA - d. 6-17-1986
singer, emcee: (Songbird of the South) "Kate Smith Revue"; Kate Smith Speaks"
06-07-1913 - Tom Collins - Chicago, IL - d. 6-17-1973
actor: Chandu "Chandu the Magician"; Nicholas Lacey "One Man's Family"
10-13-1915 - Hugh James - The Bronx, NY - d. 6-17-2001
announcer: "Voice of Firestone"; "Three Star Final"; "Big Town"
11-07-1868 - Royal Copeland - Dexter, MI - d. 6-17-1928
commentator: "Health Talk"; "Fleischmann Hour"
11-29-1906 - Luis Van Rooten - Mexico City, Mexico - d. 6-17-1973
actor: George Priestly "County Seat"; John Perry "John's Other Wife"; Nero
Wolfe "Nero Wolfe"
12-02-1908 - Hy Gardner - NYC - d. 6-17-1989
columnist, author, host: Celebrity Interviews
12-15-1918 - Jeff Chandler - Brooklyn, NY - d. 6-17-1961
actor: Michael Shayne, "Michael Shayne, Detective"; Philip Boynton, "Our Miss
Brooks"
--
Ron Sayles
For a complete list:
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:17:52 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: WGN Recordings

On 6/16/04 2:15 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

Since the trial was in 1925,
transcription disk would have been the only option, and I don't think they
recorded any of their live remotes.

"Transcription discs" as such didn't exist in 1925, and no genuine
recordings are known to exist of any of WGN's special-events coverage
until the two-hour broadcast of the funeral of Mayor Anton Cermak in
early 1933, with Quin Ryan describing the events from Chicago Stadium.

However, WGN did figure in a significant early experiment with broadcast
recording. The following is extracted from the 5/10/24 issue of Radio
Digest:

"BROADCAST ON RECORD IS SENT AND RE-RECORDED

Novel Experiment Conducted by WGN Chicago

Chicago -- Re-recording the broadcast of a phonographic record of a
previous broadcast was the recent achievement WGN, Tribune-Zenith
station, listeners were party to.

The opening program of WGN was recorded in the New York laboratories of
Frank Hoyt, inventor of a new method of phonographic recording. The
records were sent to WGN here, where they were recently broadcast. Mr.
Hoyt picked up the broadcast of the records and recorded it a second time
together with the announcement telling of what was being done. The second
broadcast, from the first records made by Hoyt, was sufficiently clear to
be recorded a second time."

No additional documentation has surfaced to describe exactly the
technique used -- whether it was discs or cylinders, acoustic or
electrical, or even some photographic process -- but there was a lot of
experimentation with various electrical recording methods going on around
this time, and it's quite possible this is what Hoyt was doing. There is
also no additional information available on Hoyt himself.

In the end, this news item is the seed of a mystery -- who was Hoyt, what
was his process, and where did his recordings end up? The answers may
never be known.

Elizabeth

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:22:51 -0400
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  early news coverage on radio

Chris Holmes wondered if there were recordings of very early news coverage.
Actually, most of the earliest REAL recordings of broadcasts that exist are
of special event coverage.  Woodrow Wilson's armistice day address Nov 10,
1923, Defense Test Day Sept 12, 1924, Coolidge Inauguration March 4, 1925,
Lindbergh arrival in Washington June 11, 1927, Lindbergh arrival in NYC
June 13, 1927, Dempsey-Tunney fight Sept 22, 1927.  There also are excerpts
of NY Philharmonic-Symphony broadcasts in 1923-24, and the Association Glee
Clubs broadcasts of 1925.  I described in great detail all of the 1920s
recordings that were known in the 1970s in my dissertation back in 1977.
(This includes the recently mentioned WGY pallophotophone films from 1922
and 1923--but remember, those are recordings that were made FOR
broadcasting, not recordings OF a broadcast.)  Elizabeth has taken some of
this info and has updated it with info on recordings that have been found
since then.  It's on her web site and it's where I go to see what is new
that is old.

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:22:54 -0400
From: Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Brace Beemer Interviews
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I had an interview on reel to reel of Brace Beemer that I bought in the early
1970's, done with a spokesperson at Playboy. I remember him  kidding Brace
Beemer, and what did he think about the Playboy Bunnies. I wish I could
remember what I did with [removed] I have now is on [removed] would love to
have a copy if anyone out there has a copy they might put on MP3 for [removed]
was innocent and nothing vulgar about it. They just asked about his career as
the The Lone [removed] on the tape is the death of Brace Beemer and actors
on the show reminincing about Brace the day he passed away that most people
already have copies of.   Thanks to anyone who can supply me with the Playboy
interview on MP3.  Bob Slate

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:48:34 -0400
From: "Kris Stone" <anaheim47@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  RE: Jiminy Cricket - Encyclopedia song

There is a rare recording of "The Encyclopedia" song as sung by Jiminy
Cricket on "Cliff Edwards: Jiminy Cricket Sings Five Mickey Mouse Club
Songs."

I have seen the 78 rpm record being traded by collectors on various sites
but I'm afraid the recording is no longer commercially available, you may
want to try LaughingPlace ([removed]) or Ebay.

There is also a terrific book: The Cliff Edwards Discography by Larry F.
Kiner. The appendixes provide 78 RPM records by label and catalog number,
library transcriptions, and films on video tape featuring Cliff Edwards, the
voice, character, and image of "Jiminy Cricket."

Sorry, I couldn't be of further help.

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:56:41 -0400
From: "ANDREW OOMS" <oomspine@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Wall Street Journal historical radio
 reference

>From the Tuesday, 6-15-04 Wall Street Journal, Financial Flashback The Wall
Street Journal, June 15, 1951:
    'Old Man Radio has taken a body blow from Kid Television.  [So to
compete], the radio broadcasters are offering more news programs--since they
believe television has made little improvement over radio in covering the
news.'
Regards all,
Andy Ooms, Pine, AZ

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 18:36:40 -0400
From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR politician, maybe!

Taking a leadership role, and in the advancement of Old Time Radio, I threw
my hat in the ring in early April.  I am running for the South Dakota Senate
from district #3.  The topic has been which  performers have entered the
radio scene.  The local daily newspaper announced the 3 Democrats and 3
Republicans who are running from District 3 later in April.

What, you ask, did I do for old time radio?  I listened to a lot of radio as
a kid who grew up in that era.  I can recall hearing live radio.  I only
sent in for only one radio premium:  the Lone Ranger Atomic Bomb Ring.

I have been a collector since the 1950s and a trader since about 1995.  As
for performing, even tho some might call it New Time Radio done in an Old
Time Way, I have written, directed, announced, acted in, engineered,
recorded, and edited several radio plays.  If you don't believe it, just do
a Google (or some other engine) search under my name.  Or drop me a note and
I'll send you the URLs for these websites.

My voter base is a small city in South Dakota, population less than 20,000.
I doubt if any of you can vote for me.  So I guess Charlie won't be swamped
with "equal space" requests from others who might be running for political
office!

Ted Kneebone/1528 S. Grant [removed], SD 57401/605-226-3344
OTR: [removed]

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 01:16:15 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Actors in politics

Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 15:07:44 -0400
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];

Oh, and to tie these two threads together, just as cigarette ads are
now banned from American broadcasting, so was "The Flackman and Reagan"
banned from California broadcasting during the 1966 governor campaign. 
It was because it would have triggered Section 315 equal opportunity
issues for any station that aired it.  

And for similar reasons, in the fall of 1973, when George Takei (Sulu) was running for Los 
Angeles City Council, an episode of the animated version of Star Trek which featured Sulu 
was substituted, in the Los Angeles area, with one in which Sulu didn't appear.  I don't 
believe he won in any event.

And, to get this back to otr, there is an episode of the Jack Benny Show in which, in the 
middle of other business, the phone rings at Jack's house.  Jack has a conversation on the 
phone, in which we hear him say how busy he is, but thanks them for thinking of him.  After 
he hangs up, he says that they want him to run for governor of Georgia.

At the time, as was explained in great detail by someone on this forum awhile back, there 
was a disputed election result in Georgia, and three different men were claiming to be the 
lawful governor of the state and trying to exercise the executive powers.

-- A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed] 15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@[removed] Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:21:33 -0400 From: Jandpgardner@[removed] To: [removed]@[removed] Subject: YTJD-Sea Legs Matter X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain I have recently been listening to Bob Bailey and the excellent 5 part stories of "Yours Truly Johnny Dollar" in chronological order. There are 3 or 4 episodes missing but just one from each story and I can usually make out what has happened in the missing episode from the next one. However when hearing "The Sea Legs Matter" (30 July - 3 August 1956), I find that the fifth and final episode is missing so I don't know whodunit or how the story ends. I believe that there was a reference to this missing episode in the Digest a few months ago but can't recall exactly what was said. Does anyone have the final episode of "The Sea Legs Matter" or know from where I can obtain a copy? Failing that, does a copy of the script of episode 5 exist so that I can at least find out the end of the story? Any help that can be given will be much appreciated. Regards to all from England. John *** This message was altered by the server, and may not appear *** *** as the sender intended. *** -------------------------------- End of [removed] Digest V2004 Issue #205 ********************************************* Copyright [removed] Communications, York, PA; All Rights Reserved, including republication in any form. If you enjoy this list, please consider financially supporting it: [removed] For Help: [removed]@[removed] To Unsubscribe: [removed]@[removed] To Subscribe: [removed]@[removed] or see [removed] For Help with the Archive Server, send the command ARCHIVE HELP in the SUBJECT of a message to [removed]@[removed] To contact the listmaster, mail to listmaster@[removed] To Send Mail to the list, simply send to [removed]@[removed]