Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #313
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Date: 9/28/2004 4:18 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2004 : Issue 313
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  John Greig                            [ JayHick@[removed] ]
  Cartoon Voices in the News            [ seandd@[removed] ]
  MP3 on an iPod?                       [ Bruce Rosenberger <bmr3d@[removed]; ]
  Why so many "spooky" shows?           [ ".dan." <ddunfee@[removed]; ]
  Re: Fourth Chime                      [ Michael Shoshani <mshoshani@sbcglob ]
  ten buck radio                        [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
  SKY CAPTAIN et al                     [ Christopher Werner <werner1@globalc ]
  Peggy Webber                          [ Jordan Young <jyoung@[removed]; ]

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:23:11 -0400
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  John Greig

My father, John Greig, was on The Collier Hour
(aka Collier Radio Hour) on NBC in 1929.  I can only verify that one
year as recorded in the Encyclopedia of American Radio, 1920 - 1960 by
Luther F. Sies.  (His name is misspelled GRIEG.)  He played the role of
Professor Lucifer G. Butts.  I am seeking 2 things about the Collier
Hour, [removed],
(1) any transcription of a broadcast that might include Professor Butts,
and
(2) any broadcast program with my father's name in it.  (According to
the writeup in the book, the show was performed before a large live
audience and "each member of the audience received an elaborate program
for each broadcast".)

I am also trying to find the connection to my father that is referenced
on a photograph that I have.  The photograph is of Nathaniel Shilkret
and the Mobiloil Concert Orchestra (approximately 50 musicians).  The
microphone in the photo is identified as NBC.  The photo is not dated,
but according to John Dunning's Encyclopedia, this orchestra performed
from 1929 - 1932.  The inscription on the photo is as follows:

To Jack Greig - our jovial sailor, Captain Jack
"Sea Program"
Mobiloil Concert Orchestra
Cordially,
Nathaniel Shilkret

I would greatly appreciate any information you could obtain for me and I
thank you in advance for your help.

Sincerely,
Marion K. Greig
15 DuBois Street
Darien, CT  06820
mgreig@[removed].
203-655-7236

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:23:19 -0400
From: seandd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cartoon Voices in the News

A great article on classic cartoon voices that mentions a whole bunch of OTR
stars ran today on [removed]

Everyone from Jessica Dragonette to Paul Frees to Mel Blanc is mentioned.

Check it out,

Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:04:51 -0400
From: Bruce Rosenberger <bmr3d@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  MP3 on an iPod?

Anyone have experience with OTR MP3's on an iPod? Specs say 32 is lowest
bit rate supported.

Bruce Rosenberger
[removed]
[removed]

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:05:07 -0400
From: ".dan." <ddunfee@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Why so many "spooky" shows?

"Spooky", as in all those radio shows we all can name which set the stage
for fright and shock.  Could it have something to do with the historical
context, WWII and Korea, which were a real life horror show in real time?
If I recall correctly, there have never been so many such shows on tv, why
not?  Were fulfilling the visual clues to pull it off that much more
difficult, all the vampire etc. movies would argue against that point, or
was it the social context thing again.  The Twilight Zone is a stand out
example, but nothing like the numbers of such shows all over the place
during otr.

                               xv
                                ic|xc

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 22:05:36 -0400
From: Michael Shoshani <mshoshani@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Fourth Chime

Chris Chandler writes:

Fact is, other than that one D-Day example (on which
I  think you'll find the pitches are actually
B-D-G-G-G-G, not C-D-G), there are no other
circulating surviving recordings of the thing

The pitch is D# - C - G#, in A=435.  I have the type
of chime that was used to produce this, a Deagan No.
400 four-plate chime, and the tones of the chime plates as measured on
my tuning calibrator are D# - G# - C - D#.  How I know
it's the same chime is, I played them along with the
First Generation Radio Archives release and they were
in the exact same pitch :)

This, by the way, is the chime model pictured on Bill Harris' website,
from WCSH in Portland, Maine.  Many stations seem to have had a 400;
one is heard rung by the WTMJ Milwaukee announcer right before a 1931
broadcast of Wendell Hall - which closed with the NBC chimes rung on a
completely different model. NBC's early seven and five note chimes
were rung on a  Deagan 200 Series chime, the type with the tubular
aluminum resonators of varying lengths.
These notes are G - C - E - G.

Deagan also made the Model 20, which was
 C - F - A - C; film actually exists of this chime being rung by a
network announcer in a 10 minute soundie called "Captain Henry's Show
Boat". This chime was regularly heard from New York, probably the last
year or so before the adoption of the mechanical Rangertone Chimes.

I have the good fortune of living about 15 minutes away from the old
Deagan factory, where an ex-Deagan master tuner maintains a mallet
instrument repair shop.  He has rebuilt several sets of chimes for me,
and has let me explore his museum and photocopy several old catalogues
and price lists.  It's a fun obsession :)

Michael Shoshani
Chciago

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2004 23:30:00 -0400
From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  ten buck radio

...Radios for 10 bucks! That's what Joseph Horne Company's department store
in Pittsburgh, PA was selling. The radios were advertised in The Pittsburgh
Sun for $10 and up.

Horne's was never cheap.  They finally closed down about ten years ago.  The 
old inflation calculator I use only goes to 2002, but ten bucks in 1920 was 
$[removed] in today's money.

[removed]

M Kinsler

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:45:03 -0400
From: Christopher Werner <werner1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  SKY CAPTAIN et al

My good friend, Derek Tague mused on 9/21

Would somebody who's seen "Sky Captain" care to elaborate on the OTR
references. Since I rarely go to the movies, [snip] I'd like to know about 
what to expect ahead of time.

Well, that was the incentive I needed to justify viewing the film on 9/24. 
I'm glad I did and here is why:

First of all, we all know that radio is the theater of the mind. Radio 
requires imagination, and because of it - everyone 'sees' a story 
differently. Ever since the silent version of George Melies' 'Trip to the 
Moon' aired in 1902, filmakers have used many special effects to illustrate 
what the imagination created. With Sky Captain, the cinematographer finally 
has achieved a new level of visual realization of the mind's eye.

Ok, so I love Science Fiction but was not as familiar with the many 
Children's adventure programs devoted to the subject. Our resident Captain 
Midnight expert may have a different impression of the OTR connections when 
he sees the film. I did do a little research the night before, learning 
about the early history of Sci-Fi films and the specifics of Tom Corbett, 
Space Cadet whom seemed closest to a role model for Sky Captain. I'm glad I 
did.

The general appearance of the picture reminded me of Max Fleisher's 
Superman films of the '40s. Subdued tones, careful lighting and limited 
contrast gives the whole thing a warm feeling. There are product 
placements. Wrigley Gum, Flash Gordon comics, and Pepto Bizmal are 
effectively displayed. The digital effects are tastefully done and are 
generally wonderful both artistically and technically. If you haven't heard 
yet, the acting for the film was done almost entirely in a green-screen 
environment so everything around the actor is pure digital. What does this 
mean? Whatever the cinematographer imagines, he can make appear. Enemy 
death gliders, similar to those on Stargate SG-1, but the wings *flap*; 
Metal monster soldiers similar to a tinplate toy - but 20 stories high 
tearing down half of New York city; a Curtis P-40 Warhawk that can retract 
the propeller and dive underwater; and dialog from Sir Laurence Olivier, 
who died in 1989, acting once again.

OTR connections? Well, there is the dialog from the WOTW (previously 
mentioned). But the film is a period fantasy - so the real dates are a 
little off. The Sky Captain's home base looks almost identical to the Tom 
Corbet, Space Cadet base. The film is suppose to take place in the 
mid-1930s, but Tom Corbet didn't begin on radio until 1951/2. Flash Gordon 
and Buck Rogers were 1936/39 but they are referenced in the movie as if 
they existed for a few years already. One of the characters yells 'Shazam'. 
The raygun does a great job of melting the robots, but the hero can't seem 
to keep hold of it. The hero is rescued with the help of Angelina Jolie who 
appears as a female version of Nick Fury commanding a squadron of 
amphibious craft launched from aerial landing platforms. I think Nick Fury 
is suppose to be a 1940s hero, a contemporary of Captain America. When the 
trio of aviators suited up to fly the first time in the movie, I recognized 
the marketing potential for flight goggles just as they were in the 40s and 
50s. There are some amazing scenes that deserve a view, especially since 
most OTR folks are already familiar with the historical aspects of the time 
period. But no, there aren't any blatant OTR references (at least that my 
feeble mind could catch).

I was surprised to recognize my favorite Persian comedian Omid Djalili - 
the hotel maintenance man from Whoppi - as a Mongul smuggler. I just about 
fell on the floor laughing.

One other thing, part of the plot dwells on the age old question: "If I'm a 
photo journalist involved an exciting adventure, and I only have 2 more 
pictures on the roll of film, of what and when should I take a picture?"

Go see it, but bring your leather flight jacket.

Chris. 

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:04:42 -0400
From: Jordan Young <jyoung@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Peggy Webber
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Spoke last night with OTR vet Peggy Webber, who's still actively
involved in producing radio drama. (You may recall her as Ma Friday
on "Dragnet," among her many credits). She wanted folks to know about
her latest CART show, "The Man with Bogart's Face," at [removed] Valley
College on Saturday, Oct. 30th (at 1:30 and 7:30 pm). The script is
by Andrew Fenady with special material  by vet comedy writer Hal
Kanter; the cast is headed by Rich Little, and includes William
Windom, Marvin Kaplan, Samantha Eggar and JoAnne Worley. For info or
reservations, call (818) 947-2623. FYI, I have no financial interest
in this, but I have had the pleasure of working with Peggy, who
produced a trilogy of my plays on radio a few years ago.

Jordan R. Young

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