Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #278
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 8/24/2004 4:50 PM

To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2004 : Issue 278
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      The Lone Ranger                       [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
      Mickey Rooney                         [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      James Doohan                          [ <nemesis@[removed]; ]
      POSTUM IF YOU GOTTEM                  [ "[removed] MANN" <voxpop@[removed]; ]
      Kreisler on the benny show Benny      [ "Cheniston Roland" <violinland@hotm ]
      Re: Postum                            [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
      Amari in Amazing                      [ Bob <hrkeller@[removed]; ]
      Re: Roma Wine                         [ David Phaneuf <david_phaneuf@yahoo. ]
      Re: Lucy Vs. Winchell                 [ "Michael J. Hayde" <michaelhayde@ea ]
      Lucille Ball, Commie Pinko            [ chris chandler <chrischandler84@yah ]
      Help! I have a new job as ahistory t  [ <[removed]@[removed]; ]
      RE: Postum (V2004 #277)               [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
      OTR errors                            [ otrdig2@[removed] ]
      8-25 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
      ROMA WINE MYSTERY                     [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
      Raymond Chandler on [removed]       [ William Harker <wharker@[removed] ]
      Al Pearce meets Bugs Bunny            [ "Michael J. Hayde" <michaelhayde@ea ]

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:05:43 -0400
    From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The Lone Ranger

>     Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 18:48:39 -0400
>     From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];

>     After the last live broadcast of The Lone Ranger on Sept. 3, 1954, the
>     program went into syndication on the ABC-Blue network.  These programs,
>     like the live ones, were broadcast three days a week and continued for 52
>     weeks. However, in May, 1955 NBC began rebroadcasting its own series of
>     Ranger programs five days a week.  At the end of the ABC-Blue run, the NBC
>     rebroadcasts were the only ones heard and continued until May 18, 1956.

    A few problems with this account.  First of all, the show didn't go into "syndication" if it was
    on the network.  So far as I recall, the show continued on the ABC network just as it always
    had, and I was unable to tell that it had gone into reruns in the fall of 1954 -- though it makes
    sense, since Brace Beemer was, for a time, playing Sergeant Preston on Tuesdays and
    Thursdays around that time.

    Second, why do you (and Terry Salmonson) keep calling the network "ABC-Blue"?  By 1954,
    it had been the ABC radio network for about ten years.

    Third, I remember that the ABC broadcasts ended, as I said, when the NBC broadcasts
    started, with no overlap.  But Salmondson's list does indicate an overlap.  I suppose it's
    possible that my local ABC station stopped carrying the LR at that point, but for the
    moment, I'll have to consider this unresolved until I learn more.

    Finally, I have just checked Terry Salmonson's site, and it contains a number of logs which
    look excellent.  But unfortunately the Lone Ranger isn't among them.  There is, however, a
    list, on another page, of the Lone Ranger shows that he actually has, which is a pretty
    extensive, but not a complete, collection.

    --
    A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
     15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
    Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:07:50 -0400
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Mickey Rooney

    Leslie Feagan posted

    I was lucky enough to see Mickey Rooney and his wife Jan in their show at the
    Irish rep in New York before I left for Little Rock. It was graet to see tjis
    wonderful star still going strong

    This brought to mind an incident that occured last fall. My wife and I were
    invited to a charity event at the Universal Shereton Hotel. As we arrived and
    were coming down an escalator we spotted Mickey Rooney and his wife. My wife
    (never a shy one) spoke out "I know you, you're Andy Hardy!"
    Rooney hardly looking up said "yeah, yeah yeah", in a very disgusted tone and
    went on walking.
    A little later I was standing talking to Pat Boone(I'm not just name dropping
    honest!) who is a really very nice guy and up rushes Mickey and interupts our
    conversation. In his hand is a CD that he and his wife had made and he's
    hyping it to Pat Boone. I just backed away not wanting to intrude on Rooney's
    sales pitch, but thought that perhaps Pat and I could finish our talk after
    Rooney was done.
    The next thing I know there is an arm around my waist, and a person who I
    still don't know to this day is pulling me toward Pat and Mickey saying "Lets
    get a group picture". I started protesting that I didn't belong in any such
    picture, but this unknown fellow is insistent and said "smile". Flash bulbs
    started popping(well I guess that they don't actually pop anymore) and video
    cameras were whiring and I'm smiling and talking out of the corner of my
    mouth asking "What am I doing in these pictures?"

    A few minutes later Jan Rooney started talking to me(I'm sure she must have
    thought that I was "somebody" by this time). It turned out that she was a
    nice lady and I enjoyed our visit. All this time Rooney is hammering away at
    Boone about his "projects" and pushing his CD into Boone's hand.

    I never saw anybody so single minded about promoting himself. There was never
    even a pretense of social niceties. So there went another illusion!
    By the way I got several copies of those pictures from various people as they
    were published somewhere. I still get embarassed thinking of them.

    George Aust

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:08:29 -0400
    From: <nemesis@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  James Doohan

    According to his bio, James Doohan appeared in a lot of radio before he
    became Scotty on Star Trek.  Do any of the list members know of any shows he
    might have appeared in?
    Thanks in advance
    Linda T.

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:25:52 -0400
    From: "[removed] MANN" <voxpop@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  POSTUM IF YOU GOTTEM
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    no offense to postum lovers but to me it tasted like tree [removed] a
    favorite flavor of mine
    chet norris

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:26:12 -0400
    From: "Cheniston Roland" <violinland@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Kreisler on the benny show Benny

    I am not sure if this is a serious question or not.

    Joseph Szigeti, Yascha Heifetz, and Yehudi Menuhin all appeared on ( radio
    )The Jack Benny Show.

    Later Isaac Stern appeared in two radio shows and one TV show. The first
    three all did the same sketch.

    I am delighted to say that I have had them all for many years.

    These are all great collectors items.

    As to Fritz Kreisler he did not he appeared on the Jack Benny Show. The
    first time he appeared on radio was on the  Bell Telephone Hour in 1944,
    playing a movement from the Mendelssohn Violin Concert, he had never
    broadcast before that on any radio station.

    Cheniston K Roland.

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:18:56 -0400
    From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Postum
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    In a message dated 8/24/04 12:07:58 AM Central Daylight Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

>     Postum is a grain-based instant beverage that is served/consumed similar to
>     coffee. It's caffeine free. Just a spoonful in your cup and add hot water.

    ...and I also recall Postum being a sponsor of "The Aldrich Family" during
    World War II based on some of the recordings I've heard.

    Dixon

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:24:16 -0400
    From: Bob <hrkeller@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Amari in Amazing

    Sorry if this has been posted.

    I picked up a copy of the first re-launched issue of the venerable science
    fiction magazine "Amazing Stories" at the local Barnes & Noble. To my
    surprise there was a very nice story about the new Twilight Zone radio shows
    and several photos of Carl Amari and Roger Wolski. Very nice piece on
    creating the shows. and it is great Amari is still involved in radio after
    the break up with MediaBay.

    Bob Keller
    waukesha, Wisc.

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 08:24:45 -0400
    From: David Phaneuf <david_phaneuf@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Roma Wine

    Tom Z. of Wolfeboro, NH, wrote: "If I could just fine
    some Roma Wine to sip while listening to [removed]"

    My memory may be incorrect on this, but it seems to
    me, that about 2 or 3 years ago there was a thread on
    this, and that Roma Wine is still produced and sold in
    some parts of the country.  Seems to me the statement
    was made that it was a relatively cheap, low quality
    wine, preferred by winos, or something to that effect.
     Forgive me if I'm wrong.  Maybe someone might recall
    that thread, if indeed there was such a discussion.

    Of course, Roma Wine would be great for suspense, but
    nothing would beat a Petri Wine, for listening to
    Rathbone & Bruce in "The New Adventures of Sherlock
    Holmes" -- "because Petri takes time to bring you good
    wine."

    David Phaneuf

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:44:25 -0400
    From: "Michael J. Hayde" <michaelhayde@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Lucy Vs. Winchell

    My good friend and sometime-collaborator, Derek the Ethermeister, brought up
    the I LOVE LUCY episode where Ricky (Desi Arnaz) finds out his wife is
    pregnant, and sings her a love song:

>     The second line of the song is "You'll read it in Winchell that we're adding a
>     branch to our family tree."

>     That was quite magnanimous of Desi Arnaz to leave in that line considering
>     that Walter Winchell, at one point during the height of Lucille Ball's
>     popularity which co-incided with the McCarthy-fueled Red Scare, dragged up
>     two-decade old dirt that claimed that Lucy once registered to vote Communist.

    Actually, Arnaz wasn't being magnanimous in this case, as the episode in
    question was filmed in October 1952; about 6-7 months or so before Winchell
    ran his "famous TV red-head comedienne was a commie" column.  Lucy went
    before some board just prior to the filming of the first third-season episode
    in September 1953, and was, of course, absolved of any "un-Americanism."

    Several years later, though, Desi did choose to forgive and forget, and hired
    Winchell as the off-screen narrator for THE UNTOUCHABLES.

    Michael

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 11:45:18 -0400
    From: chris chandler <chrischandler84@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Lucille Ball, Commie Pinko

    Derek Tague saw Desi singing about Winchell "We're
    Having a Baby"

>     That was quite magnanimous of Desi Arnaz to leave in
>     that line considering that Walter Winchell, at one
>     point during the height of Lucille Ball's popularity
>     which co-incided with the McCarthy-fueled Red Scare,
>     dragged up two-decade old dirt that claimed that Lucy
>     once registered to vote Communist.

    Not magnanimous at [removed] simply has the
    chronology backwards.  "Lucy Is Enciente" was filmed
    roughly a year before Ball's great 'red scare' of
    1953.  One assumes Arnaz probably changed the lyrics
    afterward.  :)

    To tie this in with radio, I always wondered why in
    the world there are reports of such a hub-bub over
    Lucy's TV pregnancy when radio characters had gestated
    over the air for many years.  The Great Gildersleeve's
    niece had only recently been featured in an extended
    pregnancy storyline, and many, many soap opera
    characters had given birth, often after pregnancies
    that stretched well beyond the usual nine-month
    recommended cooking time.  In a 1948 story, for
    example, Portia of "Portia Faces Life" turned up
    preggers even though hubby Walter was nowhere to be
    found--pretty racy stuff for the era and the genre;
    and 'One Man's Family' had enacted actual
    moaning-and-groaning labor pains as early as 1943.

    The TV episode in which Lucy tells Ricky she is
    expecting is, of course, one of the great all-time
    classic television moments, mostly because of the
    real-life circumstances that accompanied it, and the
    obviously genuine emotion captured on film at the
    climactic moment.  I can't think of a single radio
    moment that equals this, although I tried after
    reading Derek's post.  Can anybody else?  I'd say
    Dennis Day leaving for the war comes close, or the
    genuine outpouring of studio-audience affection when
    Marian Jordan returned to the air in 1939.  Others?

    chris

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:25:09 -0400
    From: <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Help! I have a new job as ahistory teacher!
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    Hi folks,

    I just got a new job as a US History Teacher, 8th Grade.  The focus is from
    the explorers to the Civil War.  I've though that I could use some "You are
    there!" shows effectively, but what other shows and specific episodes would
    you suggest.

    Thank you,

    Darrel

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:28:02 -0400
    From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE: Postum (V2004 #277)
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    Just a minor note about Postum. It was one of the many products advertised
    on the radio soaps during the forties. To my child-age ears, it sounded like
    the announcer was saying that Postum was coffee with 100% of the caffeine
    removed. Further down the dial, another announcer would advertise "Sanka" as
    coffee with 98% of the caffeine removed. At one time my mother suffered from
    some illness that caused her docter to recommend drinking Sanka coffee
    instead of our regular household brand (which I believe was the A&P's
    "Bokar" at the time). I mentioned to my parents that Postum was 100%
    caffeine free, instead of merely 98%, and they made faces at me. It wasn't
    until much later that I learned that Postum had nothing to do with coffee,
    but was actually a cereal grain product. Too many years have gone by for me
    to remember whether the commercials, in suggusting the use of Postum as a
    coffee substitute, were really implying that it actually was coffee with all
    the caffeine removed. Does anyone out there know what the announcers
    actually claimed???

    Thanx,
    B. Ray
    W9KEE (ex W7KVW)

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:53:56 -0400
    From: otrdig2@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OTR errors
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    I have been compiling errors that I find in my OTR mp3 files (dates, names,
    wrong show) plus any errors I find discussed by others and created a small
    website to share those with others. It is at [removed]

    Andrew

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:54:48 -0400
    From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  8-25 births/deaths

    Aaugust 25th births

    08-25-1904 - Alice White - Paterson, NJ - d. 2-19-1983
    actress: Blondie Bumstead "Blondie"
    08-25-1908 - Walter Burke - Brooklyn, NY - d. 8-4-1984
    actor: Mark Saber's Assistant "Inspector Mark Saber"
    08-25-1909 - Michael Rennie - Bradford, Yorkshire, England - d. 6-10-1971
    actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    08-25-1910 - Ruby Keeler - Halifax, Nova Scotia - d. 2-28-1993
    actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
    08-25-1912 - John Rarig - WA - d. 1-2-1991
    singer: (Member Sportsmen Quartet) "Jack Benny Program"
    08-25-1916 - Van Johnson - Newport, RI
    actor: "Request Performance"; "Romance"; "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Suspense"
    08-25-1917 - Mel Ferrer - Elberon, NJ
    actor: "Eternal Light"; "Cloak and Dagger"; "MGM Theatre of the Air"
    08-25-1918 - Leonard Bernstein - Lawrence, MA - d. 10-14-1990
    conductor: "Metropolitan Opera"
    08-25-1918 - Richard Greene - Plymouth, England - d. 6-1-1985
    actor: "Somerset Maugham Theatre"; "This Is Hollywood"; "Cavalcade of America"
    08-25-1934 - Regis Philbin - NYC
    newscaster: KOGO San Diego

    August 25th deaths

    01-19-1919 - Ray Eberly - Hoosick Falls, NY - d. 8-25-1979
    big band singer: "Glenn Miller and His Orchestra"; "Glenn Miller's Moonlight
    Serenade"
    02-12-1912 - Stan Kenton - Wichita, KS - d. 8-25-1979
    bandleader: "Bob Hope Show"; "Stan Kenton Concerts"
    02-14-1900 - Eddie Marr - NJ - d. 8-25-1987
    actor: Press Agent "Jack Carson Show"; "Jack Benny Program"; "I Fly Anything"
    06-18-1910 - [removed] Marshall - Owatonna, MN - d. 8-25-1998
    narrator: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
    06-22-1919 - Gower Champion - Geneva, IL - d. 8-25-1980
    choreographer: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Guest Star"
    08-27-1905 - Frederick O'Neal - Brooksville, MA - d. 8-25-1992
    actor: "New World A-Coming"
    09-09-1899 - Waite Hoyt - Brooklyn, NY - d. 8-25-1984
    sportscaster, "Sports Review"; "According to Hoyt"; play-by-play: Cincinnati
    Reds
    09-22-1895 - Paul Muni - Lemberg, Austria-Hungary - d. 8-25-1967
    actor: "Free Company"; "Radio Hall of Fame"
    10-24-1894 - Ted "Kid" Lewis - London, England - d. 8-25-1971
    bandleader: "Live Band Remotes"
    --
    Ron Sayles
    Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:58:19 -0400
    From: PURKASZ@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  ROMA WINE MYSTERY
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    In a message dated 8/24/2004 1:35:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
    [removed]@[removed] writes:

    If I  could just fine some Roma Wine to sip while listening to  [removed]

    Tom Z.
    Wolfeboro, NH

    Ahhhh, that's what I used to say Tom.
        As fate would have it, I was vacationing near my  girlfriend's home town
    of Milford Delaware a few summers ago.
        About to head back to the car after lunch one day  when a Salvation Army
    second hand store loomed up and we decided to saunter  through looking for
    some fun stuff.
        She found a few pots for flowers and I found three  old bottles that I
    planned to hold oils of one kind or another use in my  kitchen.
        Back home in New York, there they stood for almost  a year when I decided
    they needed another run through the dishwasher.
        The cycle was finished and I held them up to the  light to make sure no
    residue was still clinging to the bottom.
        They all passed muster but that last one gave quite  a shock!
        I often play old radio shows when I have an onerous  task to perform and
    this time I had Suspense filling the evening's sunset room  with a tale "well
    calculated."
        As they broke for the usual Roma commercial, I  happened to be peering up
    into the last bottle neck to check for grime  [removed] it was. At the
    bottom of the bottle, clear as day, written in high  [removed] WINE
    COMPANY.
        I almost dropped it!
        I'm still looking for a reproduction of the  original label so that I
    could reattach it but for now I am content to 'pour' a  little olive oil from
    my
    newly spouted and long survived remnant of one of the  great radio commercials
    of the past.
        Salute.
        Oh and if anyone has a copy of the original label,  let me know off line
    please.
         I would love to put it back 'home' as it  were.
                        Michael  Gwynne

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:46:09 -0400
    From: William Harker <wharker@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Raymond Chandler on [removed]

    I believe this is on-topic as the [removed] slogan was ubiquitous on the
    Benny radio show.

    I was reading Richard Harp's article, "Raymond Chandler on Tobacco" in
    _Clues:  A Journal of Detection (Vol. 9, No. 2, 1988, pp. 95-104), where he
    mentions Chandler's take on the smoking versus health debate in the early
    1950s.

    Harp reminded me of Chandler's parody of the "Lucky Strike Means Fine
    Tobacco" slogan in _The Long Goodbye_.

    "After watching television one evening, Marlowe 'smoked a long cool tightly
    packed cigarette.  It was kind to my throat.  It was made of fine
    tobacco.  I forgot to notice what brand it was.'"

    Bill Harker

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    Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:47:01 -0400
    From: "Michael J. Hayde" <michaelhayde@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Al Pearce meets Bugs Bunny

    There's a website that contains several documents related to the tobacco
    industry.  One of the most interesting is the entire script for AL PEARCE AND
    HIS GANG, show #50 for Camel Cigarettes, dated April 11, 1941.  Al's "Guest
    of Honor" is cartoon producer Leon Schlesinger, and in the course of the
    program, Mel Blanc and Arthur Q. Bryan recreate their roles of Bugs and Elmer
    in what is considered the first "true" Bugs Bunny cartoon, the Oscar nominee
    "A Wild Hare" (1940).  Strangely, Blanc is introduced by his real name, but
    Bryan is credited as his Pearce show character Raymond Radcliffe.

    It would be fascinating to hear this program if it is in circulation.  For
    one thing, when Schlesinger made an appearance in the WB cartoon "You Ought
    to Be in Pictures" (1940), his voice was dubbed - presumably by Blanc.
    Reportedly Schlesinger had a pronounced lisp that served as the inspiration
    for both Daffy Duck and Sylvester the Cat.  For another, it would be great to
    hear a live audience reaction to the "cartoon" being dramatized.

    For those interested, the script may be viewed at
    [removed]   There may be other
    scripts; I haven't checked yet.

    And for cartoon buffs, I found the info at [removed], a site well worth
    your time.

    Michael

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