Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #264
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Date: 8/15/2001 8:50 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2001 : Issue 264
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      APEX and DAWOO DVD PLayers for MP3 w  [ Paulurbahn@[removed] ]
      I Can Hear It Now                     [ Eric Cooper <ejcooper2001@[removed]; ]
      OTR radio expressions                 [ "@" <josephpostove@[removed]; ]
      THANKS!                               [ "stephen jansen" <stephenjansen@ema ]
      AUSTRALIAN OTR                        [ "Ian Grieve" <ian@[removed] ]
      Apex 500                              [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      [removed] Wilson                      [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
      #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]
      magazines                             [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
      Expressions                           [ "Jimidene Murphey" <jimimark@[removed] ]
      Trying to Find Jim Reeves Radio Show  [ midtod@[removed] ]
      Re: Al Pearce's gang of comics        [ "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed] ]
      Stereo Radio Broadcasts               [ Rkayer@[removed] ]
      RE: "I Can Hear It Now"               [ "Lee, Steve (DEOC)" <slee@[removed]. ]

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    Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 23:53:07 -0400
    From: Paulurbahn@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  APEX and DAWOO DVD PLayers for MP3 without TV

    Maybe a DVD player owner of one of these models will tell me, Can you play
    MP3 disks woithout having a TV set attached? In otherwords are thjeir enough
    buttons to do it. At these prices I am thinking of replacing the CD player in
    my stereo with one. That way I don't have to play MP3s on the computer.
    Thanks,
    Paul Urbahns

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    Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 00:05:19 -0400
    From: Eric Cooper <ejcooper2001@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  I Can Hear It Now

    I can only speak of the original 78RPM issue which was in 1948

    Eric Cooper
    Mission Viejo,CA

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    Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:40:01 -0400
    From: "@" <josephpostove@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  OTR radio expressions

    The recent spate of otr expressions that have and have not stood the test of
    time got me to thinking of Homer Simpson's comment on tv:

    "Television does so much, and yet asks so little."

    Joe Postove

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    Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:40:04 -0400
    From: "stephen jansen" <stephenjansen@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  THANKS!

         First off, thanks to everybody who offered their favorite "Shadow"
    episodes - I've been listening for more than a week now, and found MANY to
    be excellent, not tepid, like I had originally thought.  "The Creeper"
    (Orson Welles episode) is a favorite now, because of the particularly wacky
    nutjob villain - great character and superb vocal work.
         And I listened to "Spider Boy" too, and even though it wasn't very
    good, I thoroughly enjoyed it because I was sharing some of the past with
    someone who posted that it scared the daylights out of them when they were a
    kid.
         An episode along the same lines, from my past, is Lights Out "Story Of
    Mr Maggs".  I heard it rebroadcast during the late 1970's when I was a young
    teen.  Scared me silly.  It's about a man who buys a murderer's trunk at an
    auction - it's not quite as good now as it was then, but it actually holds
    up pretty well.  Like the Shadow "Creeper" episode, this one has marvelously
    hateful characters and top-notch voices.
         So, now my reason for today's post: I remember reading some article
    about OTR sound effects long ago, and it had an interview with a sound
    effects man (for Lights Out, I believe).  He recounted how there was a show
    in which he had to make the sound of a madman sawing off his victim's
    fingers.  He used a hacksaw to cut through some pork chops for the effect.
    During the broadcast, he became overwhelmed with his own ridiculous
    situation - intently sawing pork chops back and forth - and started to laugh
    out loud.  The narrator, thinking fast, interjected "The killer's insane
    laughter echoed throughout the castle." or something to that effect (give
    that man a BIG raise!).
         My questions are:
         Is this story true?  Who was the effects man?  The quick-thinking
    announcer?  Which show was this?  And most importantly, is it available?  I
    would LOVE to hear the show, if the story is true!
         Thank you all again, for the Shadow suggestions, and all of your help.
    Wotta great bunch!
                      Stephen Jansen

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    Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:40:09 -0400
    From: "Ian Grieve" <ian@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  AUSTRALIAN OTR

    Dan writes:
    Thanks for the reply to my question regarding the Clock series. You`re
    right about the confusion over the show, so far I`ve heard of the
    possibility of as many as three different versions or variations of the
    program. I`m sure that the digest members would be interested to hear of
    any additional information as well - it is somewhat unusual.

    Yes Dan, In this case I have the advantage over those who list it as
    English, because some of the actors listed at the end have become well known
    Australian Actors and are household names here.  But may not be well known
    in America.  I listened to one last week that credited Charles (Bud)
    Tingwell for example.  Now Bud has starred in hundreds of Australian TV
    shows and Stage shows (must be in his 70's now)but offhand I can't think of
    a big budget movie that would have been shown in America that you would
    recognise him from.  He was partnered with an Actress who is now probably
    the Matriarch of Australian Theatre, June Salter.

    You may have been asked this before, but I wondered if you might be able to
    answer some questions concerning australian otr in general?  - What % of
    the programs broadcast were imports vs australian productons and how did
    they compare with australan audiences popularity-wise? Also  what % were
    australian versions of foreign shows?

    Tough questions. Rather than deal in percentages, because I am no Elizabeth
    McLeod and have no research background, I will give my impressions.

    When I first started collecting OTR late last year, I joined the otr chat
    group and found that most of the members believed that the only Australian
    shows were those that were based on American scripts and that Australians
    were just 'copycats' as far as OTR goes.  Yes we imported a lot of American
    shows, scripts etc.  When we ran out of episodes we then wrote our own and
    in same cases sold them back to the [removed]  Gordon the Sci-Fi Guy that I
    always plug, has done a lot of research in this area and I have read his
    handout and find it very interesting.  Off hand I can say we did our own
    versions of Hop Harrigan, Biggles, Tarzan, Superman, Fatman and heaps more,
    those are just the well known ones.  Many scripts were adapted also so that
    they were more in line with our lifestyle and hence more believeable.

    I promise that at some stage in the future I will do more research and give
    you a better picture of Australian OTR, unfortunately I missed the Golden
    Years, so I cannot speak with authority on the subject.

    With regard to Local Shows, we made plenty of them, right through all the
    genres.  From what I have learnt, very few were exported, hence why so
    little is known of them outside of Australia.  I am researching George
    Edwards at the moment.  In the 1930's onward he would have been the best
    known Australian Radio performer.  He was known as the 'Man with a thousand
    voices'.  For those of you collecting mp3 shows, you may have noticed
    Frankenstein and also Dr Jeckyl on ftp sites and also on Log sites.  Those
    shows starred George Edwards and he did virtually all the male voices.
    Again log sites have them listed as originating in the [removed] instead of
    Australia.  George Edwards for my generation is better known playing Dad
    Rudd in Dad and Dave, which was a long running serial based on books by
    Steele Rudd (who lived about 30 minutes away from me and is/was related by
    marriage on two different lines of my family, anyone would think I was
    Tasmanian).  Dad and Dave is still played daily somewhere in Australia.

    Unfortunately, one of the reasons Australian OTR is simply seen as copies of
    [removed] shows is because Australian OTR is not promoted outside of Australia.
    We have a dedicated Film and Sound archive but whilst plenty goes in, not
    much comes out.  I have sent copies of this digest to the archives
    suggesting that we should do the same thing and collect the memories of
    people who took part in the creation and broadcasting of Australian OTR.  It
    is like everything, costs, labour, time, make it difficult.  The Australian
    Archives do release CD's and collectors like me buy them.  The online shop
    can be found at [removed] .  Take advantage of the low low low
    Australian Dollar and buy a couple of CD's and try them out.  Also as
    mentioned before, the scifiguy trades Australian shows.

    I hope Dan, that I have at least partially answered your questions, gut
    feeling, we produced more than we imported but it would be close.  I also
    feel that our archives would hold many shows that are considered missing in
    the [removed]  Unfortunately there are more shows uncatalogued than catalogued
    from what I have been told.

    Ian Grieve
    Missing Hal Stone

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    Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:40:17 -0400
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Apex 500

    I've been following the discussion of the Apex 500 with interest. I own
    an Apex 500A and while it does its job for which I bought it, it falls
    far short in other areas. This unit does not recognize CDRs nor does it
    have component outputs for video hook up to my TV. I bought the DVD to
    use as a CD player, and for that its fine. I didn't want a multi disc
    machine and finding a single CD player these days is not easy. My TV
    will take a S video connection but my satelite receiver also uses an S
    video connection and though I have two S video inputs I can only use one
    at a time. So that means that I had to do a disconnect and connect every
    time I wanted to watch a DVD movie. So I bought a very reasonably priced
    ($[removed]) Panasonic RV 31 which does everything well so far. By the way
    I have seen three different Apex 500 models ,all of them very different
    from the other and none of them offer component outputs. For my monery
    the Panasonic is a much better machine.

    George Aust

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    Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:40:14 -0400
    From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
    To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  [removed] Wilson

    Bill Murtough recalled that the mountain where the television and FM
    transmitters were located was Mount Wilson. Well ,he is right, with the
    exception of Channel 2 which was for many years located on Mt. Lee which
    is nothing more than a high hill in the Hollywood hills, not a mountain
    at all. Starting around 1939 the transmitter that became KTSL channel
    two began broadcasting from Mt Lee. It was not an ideal location for
    telecasting to the whole Los Angeles area. For those of us who live in
    the San Gabriel valley the picture was weak and filled with ghosts.
    KTTV channel 11 was the CBS station in the eary 50's but it was not
    owned ,I believe, by the network. They purchased KTSL and continued to
    transmit from Mt. Lee for several years before they built a transmitter
    at [removed] which is located in a entirely different range, the San
    Gabriel mountains.
    I have no idea how Don Lee got to name a hill after himself but I do
    think that the transmitting tower is still there though I forget what it
    is being used for now.

    George Aust

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    Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 11:40:12 -0400
    From: lois@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

    A weekly [removed]

    For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
    Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
    and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
    over four years, same time, same channel!

    Our numerous "regulars" include one of the busiest "golden years" actors in
    Hollywood; a sound man from the same era who worked many of the top
    Hollywood shows; a New York actor famed for his roles in "Let's Pretend" and
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    maintainer of the best-known OTR Digest (we all know who he is)..........

    and Me

    Lois Culver
    KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
    KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
    and widow of actor Howard Culver

    (For more info, contact lois@[removed])

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    Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:14:17 -0400
    From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  magazines

    Does any body know of any stores or dealers that deal in show business
    magazines from the 1940s such as Downbeat?  Any lead would be very helpfully
    for me on a project that I am working on.

    Walden Hughes

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    Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:14:16 -0400
    From: "Jimidene Murphey" <jimimark@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Expressions

    Thank you, Elizabeth, for enlightening me on the origins of "unlax."  My
    father said that daily for as long as I can remember (he was 86 when he died
    a few years ago, so he had been saying it for a LONG time!)  I always
    thought it was one of his own personal stretchings of the English language,
    which he did quite frequently.

    Seems there is a lot from Fibber and Molly that we remember.  When I was a
    kid in the late 50s and early 60s, my younger sister and I were always going
    back and forth with "OOOHHHH, noyoudon't" and "OOOOHHHHH yesIdo."  I'm not
    sure if that came exclusively from Fibber, but I've heard it often on that
    show.

    I've been listening passionately to OTR for several years now, and although
    its golden years were more the "rusty" years by the time I came along, I am
    trying to do my part in making sure the "rusty" doesn't completely
    disintegrate.

    Jimidene Murphey
    jimimark@[removed]

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    Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 14:14:14 -0400
    From: midtod@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Trying to Find Jim Reeves Radio Shows

    It's been a couple of years since I asked this question, but hopefully I'll
    have better luck this time. I'm trying to find any old transcriptions/tapes
    of Jim Reeves' radio show, which aired on the ABN network (forerunner of
    ABC) in the latter part of 1957 and early 1958. The show was 1-hour, 5 days
    a week, for a total of 65 shows in the series. After years of searching,
    only TWO of these have ever surfaced, and I find that bewildering.

    The show originated at WSM in Nashville and featured, in addition to
    Reeves, Owen Bradley's orchestra and the Anita Kerr singers. It was a
    first-class effort, especially because Jim Reeves was one of the greatest
    vocalists ever to draw breath.

    I also know that besides the live network feed, transcription disks were
    sent to Armed Forces stations for delayed broadcast. It is inconceivable to
    me that ALL of these have disappeared. (By comparison, a lot of Jim's
    transcriptions specifically for the armed forces have, indeed, survived).

    Since I'm also writing a book on Reeves, I'd appreciate any suggestions any
    of you would care to offer on where I might look next to locate any of
    these shows. Surely there are copies in some archives somewhere. I suspect
    I just haven't looked in the right [removed]

    Larry Jordan

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    Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:01:16 -0400
    From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:  Al Pearce's gang of comics

       Ray Erlenborn asks those who have been alive since the 1920s if they can
    recall early comic performers on Al Pearce's show(s) besides the ones he
    names in his posting.  I'm not quite that old but, despite my "youth", maybe
    Mr. E. won't mind my naming, for 1929: Jean Clarimoux, Norman Nielsen, Hazel
    Warner, Abe Bloom, Tommy Harris, Charles Carter, Edna Fisher, and Cecil
    Wright. (And Al's brother's name was Cal.)  My source for this information
    is John Dunning's "On the Air".
       Hope that helps.
       -- Phil Chavin

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    Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 16:01:14 -0400
    From: Rkayer@[removed]
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Stereo Radio Broadcasts

    During the early '60's 'stereo; was marketed heavily by the recording and
    movie industrys. (Remember RCA's "Living Stereo" recordings and movie ads for
    'multi channel sound'.  Anything 'mono' was considered old fashioned and
    inferior. It would be a few years before the commercial development of
    multiplex FM which allowed stations to broadcast in true stereo. So many
    radio stations scrambled to be able to provide stereo programing with
    existing technology and receivers. Thus the stereo broadcasts utilizing FM
    for one channel and AM for the other, such as the WMAQ AM,FM broadcasts in
    Chicago that were recently mentioned  I actually bought a component tuner (a
    Knight if I recall) for a new stereo system in 1960 that was billed as a
    'stereo receiver' when all it did was allow you to play both an AM and FM
    program simultaneously through the amplifier.
    Bob Kayer

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    Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 22:47:21 -0400
    From: "Lee, Steve (DEOC)" <slee@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  RE: "I Can Hear It Now"

    RE:

>      Anyone know the date, at least the year, of Ed Murrow's "I Can Hear It
>     Now"?
>         My database doesn't sort well with unknown [removed]
>         Thanks,
>         Norm Schickedanz, Elmhurst, IL

    Don't know the exact date, but I believe the original 5 disc 78 set came out
    in 1948. It was a collaboration between Murrow and Fred W. Friendly. They
    were produced on the Columbia Masterworks Label. Remember, the recordings
    pre-date the release of the famous album. Complete original sets and
    individual 33 1/3 LPs(volumes 1 through 4)are available on Ebay.

    I was fascinated as a young child listening to my parents original 78
    recordings of famous events and speeches [removed], Eisenhower, Chuchill,
    Roosevelt, Stalin, Hitler, MacArthur, Truman, FDR's Funeral Procession,
    D-Day, Hindenburg Explosion, and Lou Gehrig's farewell.

    [removed]

    Steve Lee

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