Subject: [removed] Digest V2007 #103
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Date: 3/31/2007 11:18 AM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2007 : Issue 103
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                 [removed]
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      NTR Source Going Out Of Business      [ "John Weber" <wjweber@[removed] ]
      Re: Editing out commercials           [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]
      The Birds on Radio                    [ "Bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed]; ]
      Damon Runyon                          [ Stuart Lubin <stuartlubin6686@sbcgl ]
      Location Productions                  [ Richard Fish <fish@lodestone-media. ]
      ACTOR RESIDUALS                       [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
      Danon Runom's Speech Patterns         [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
      Don McNeill's prayer for peace        [ "whhsa" <whhsa@[removed]; ]
      Missing Dunning Pages                 [ <[removed]@[removed]; ]
      Damon Runyon and Contractions         [ "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm ]
      Don McNeill's Prayer                  [ crow8164@[removed] (Dennis Crow) ]
      3-31 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
      Missing Dunning pages correction      [ <[removed]@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:09:18 -0400
    From: "John Weber" <wjweber@[removed];
    To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  NTR Source Going Out Of Business

    Apologies for commercial use of the list, but I thought this would be of
    interest.

    For the past 13 years (and two owners) the Lodestone Catalog has been a
    source for Contemporary Audio Theatre (AKA "New Time Radio"), as well as old
    and new works of Norman Corwin.

    We are saddened to announce that The Lodestone Catalog is going out of
    business.

    We are putting everything in the catalog on sale, with huge savings on many
    items.  So our pain is your gain -- here's a chance to stock up on some
    really great audio theater while it lasts.

    Everything, literally everything in the catalog is on sale -- some of it for
    over half off.  We're getting rid of our inventory, and these items won't be
    back, so get 'em now while the getting is good.

    View the complete list of items on sale at:
    [removed]

    Norman Corwin items on sale can be viewed at:
    [removed]

    Firesign Theatre items on sale can be viewed at:
    [removed]

    Garrison Keillor / A Prairie Home Companion:
    [removed]

    ZBS Media:
    [removed]

    Star Wars Dramatizations (NPR and Highbridge):
    [removed]

    Alien Voices (Leonard Nimoy and John DeLancie):
    [removed]

    Twilight Zone Radio:
    [removed]

    ... and many more.

    -- John Weber

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    Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:10:10 -0400
    From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Editing out commercials

    In a recent post, Robert Dawson wrote:

>     Ahh, to the point, could someone, please, help me for I have a collection  of
>     CBS Radio Mystery radio plays on DVD.  Some have commercials that I  would
>     like to edit out when I record the radio plays from DVD to CD/MP3  format so
>     that I may play them on our Panasonic MP3 player.  I was going  to record on
>     our HP Pavilion computer.  What software would you  recommend?   Currently,
>     the computer has iTunes, Sonic MyDVD  Plus/Sonic Copy Module, and Windows
>     Media Player 11.

    This is something I have asked myself about so many times, I finally gave  up
    because I don't have an answer. I find it upsetting, and frustrating when I
    purchase, or download, a program where either the commercials, or the bridge
    music has been deleted. For instance, I have been listening to Ma Perkins
    recently, and there are stretches of silence in them that I can only
    attribute
    to the fact that the bridge music was deleted. The commercials are mostly
    intact  I believe. Why delete any of a program that is historically important,
    whether  it is music, or words?

    Here is the real mystery. Today, when watching Television, I normally mute
    the sound so I don't have to listen to the commercials. If I have Tevo'd a
    show,  I fast forward through the commercials for the same reason. Could
    someone
    please  give me a logical explanation for that sort of behavior? Also, I would
    love to  know if anyone else does, or, has the same feelings I have about this
    matter.  Why would I love commercials on OTR, and hate them on Television? It
    defy's all  reasoning to me.

    Charlie

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    Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:10:17 -0400
    From: "Bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed];
    To: ""old-time radio digest">" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  The Birds on Radio

    Hi all,
    I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet but I think there was a version of
    the Birds also done on Family
    Theater.  I've got it around here somewhere.

    Bill

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    Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:11:29 -0400
    From: Stuart Lubin <stuartlubin6686@[removed];
    To: Time Radio Digest Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Damon Runyon

    In responding to Wayne Johnson's very good question about
    Broadway's speech patterns, eg., never using contractions, etc.,
    Jeff Knowling explains it very well when he answers

>     I have always thought it is because the citizens like to think of
>     themselves as having class.

    I agree that THAT is the most likely explanation.  In language
    study, that phenomenon is labeled "hyperurbanism", or trying to
    sound more educated than you really are.

    A couple of other examples come to mind:  "between you and I"
    sounds correct, but "between you and me" is the correct phrase,
    gramatically. Finally, I have heard some very well educated
    African-Americans who pronounce the word "aunt" in the British
    manner, whereas the American pronunciation is the preferred one
    here in the United States.

    The different speech patterns that Runyon gave to Broadway and
    to some of the other characters added to the charm of the show.
    Those characters also had a form of humor that was rare in the
    majority of radio programs of that time period.  I must say that
    I feel no one could have captured the attitude of Broadway
    better than John Brown.  Does anyone know if Mr. Runyon had a
    role in casting the show?

    Stuart Lubin

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    Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:28:14 -0400
    From: Richard Fish <fish@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Location Productions

    Many, MANY thanks to Mr. King for your amazing post!  The info was all
    new to me, except about "Empire Builder." I was aware that broadcasts
    from theatres were tried in the 20s, but never knew any details. Getting
    all this, so nicely documented, is just great.

    Now, a $64 question: does anybody know if there are any recordings
    extant of early location production drama? I'd define "early" as before,
    say, 1970 anyhow -- and especially before 1950. And the main focus is on
    fictional works; actualities of events, like the Hindenburg explosion or
    D-Day recordings, are very interesting but not really in the same category.

    I'm interested in any location productions, regardless of media. It
    should be remembered that the primary medium for our beloved art form
    has changed over the years. It's gone from cylinders, to 78s, to
    broadcast, back to 78s, to LPs, to cassettes, to CDs, and now seems to
    be settling into various forms of digital file transfer, largely over
    the Web.

    BTW, this thread started as "Real Sound Effects" and that's still the
    gist of it, but the term "Location Production" is widely used today, and
    does kind of include more of the whole thought.

    Which is this: the best radio drama (or audio theatre) gives the
    listener a sense of overhearing something that's really happening:
    eavesdropping through an invisible microphone, or being "a fly on the
    wall," as the old saying goes.

    The easier it is for the listener to accept this illusion, or if you
    prefer, the less work it is to suspend one's disbelief, the easier it is
    for the production itself to be engaging and effective.

    Location production, IMHO, is one way to reach the unsurpassed peak of
    that experience. Not necessarily the only way, or the easiest way, but a
    good way. It seems to me that the best location productions are at least
    as good as the best studio work, and I'm wondering if they might not be
    even better, in some respects anyway.

    It seems clear that people were thinking along those lines nearly a
    century ago, and all those pioneering efforts need to be remembered.

    Any thoughts on any of that will be most interesting, even (or
    especially?) if anyone disagrees. And any leads on those early
    recordings will be most deeply appreciated.

    Love this group!

    Richard Fish

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    Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:28:59 -0400
    From: PURKASZ@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  ACTOR RESIDUALS

    Would somebody please tell  the family of Parley Baer that there is a
    residual check with his name on it at  the Screen Actors Guild site!!!
    [removed]
    I'm serious!
    Click on  'Unclaimed Residual Data Base.'
    If you've ever done a day  or two on a TV show or movie and had to join the
    Guild you may find some of the  proverbial 'Lost Money' waiting for you.
    At any rate the  list of names is occasionally sparked by a recognizable star
    like Mister Baer  and makes for some fun detective work.
    As a member since  1969 I was pleased to see SAG with a website they started
    some years ago. My  residuals come directly to me but for some reason, usually
    death or moving  without contacting the guild, the residual checks are kept
    by SAG until family  contacts them and proves their relationship.
    No idea how  much it is but it's gotta be something!
    I was meandering  along the list of almost 4000 names when I was shocked to
    find his name along  with such notables as Edmund Gwenn, Smiley Burnette,
    Walter Brennan, Randolph  Scott and Tallulah Bankhead.
    Amazing.
    These folks have no family  perhaps?
    Anyway, I suspect people once close to Parley  Baer may get wind of this
    letter and receive their due.
    Let me know if you  would.
    Michael C. Gwynne

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    Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:29:13 -0400
    From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Danon Runom's Speech Patterns

    Here is an opinion on not using contractions. Do not jump all over me it
    is only my [removed]
    When I was in High School (Mid 40's) if I turn in a paper with
    contractions I was told that is not proper gramme.

    Being born  a long time ago I have noticed that, other than Broadway,
    OTR people didn't use contractions either such as radio announcers, and
    radio actors, who read what was written, did not use contraction, but
    the speech patters were flowed differently than Broadways. .

    Contraction are short cut, am not,or AIN'T is a contractions  also could
    be used in place of  am not, is not, has not or have not.

     Webster's Dictionary says a contraction is "a shortening of a word,
    syllable, or word group by omission of a sound or letter;"
    Look at you computer key board "Ctrl, Alt, PgDn, and SysRq" saves space.
    Possible the print media, such as newspapers, used contraction to
    conserve space, and contractions were accepted.

    Frank McGurn.

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    Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:37:36 -0400
    From: "whhsa" <whhsa@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Don McNeill's prayer for peace
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    Dear Folks;
    Peace and a Glorious Easter to All.
    >From page 79 of Don McNeill's Favorite Poems (1951) the prayer reads:

    Each in his own words,
    Each in his own way;
    For a world united in peace,
    bow your heads, let us pray.

    I was on Don McNeill's Breakfast Club in the summer of 1951 when he traveled
    to Atlanta, Georgia. In my newly released book on Straight Arrow there is a
    photograph of McNeill talking with me on air!

    Manituwah,
    Bill

    Remember Straight Arrow?
    Order your copy of the definitive book on the great legendry figure, Straight
    Arrow.
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    Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:38:03 -0400
    From: <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Missing Dunning Pages

    Hi.
    Last week I attended a flea-market that featured a large group of used books
    from some local public and school libraries. Among the books I picked up was
    a copy of John Dunning's "Tune in Yesterday".

    The book was in rough shape as someone, for whatever reason, had cut out
    some of the pages with a razor or knife and pushed them back in the book in
    random order. After sorting out the pages and putting them in order, I found
    that I am missing 8 of the nearly 700 pages in the book.  Not bad.

    I need pages:

    252, 253 -- these have the end of the Gildersleeve section and ?

    356, 357 -- Starts with Life Begins at 80 and ??

    436 to and including 439 -- Starts with National Barn Dance and ends with
    Nick Carter.  Page 435 has the first part of Barn Dance and page 440 has the
    last part of Nick Carter.

    Would someone on the digest be able to photocopy these pages for me?

    I will gladly repay you for copying and postage costs.

    Please contact me of list for my address.

    Roger Keel

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    Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:38:22 -0400
    From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Damon Runyon and Contractions

    Actually, I don't know about Damon Runyon and contractions, but I recently
    picked up a 1903 book titled MODERN BUSINESS LETTERS at a charity booksale
    (for $1) and one of the rules for writing a business letter in 1903, along
    with "no slang" was "no contractions", specifying it was bad form to write
    "don't" for "do not".  The book also depicted a newfangled invention called
    a "Filing Cabinet" (what won't they think of next.)

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    Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:38:38 -0400
    From: crow8164@[removed] (Dennis Crow)
    To: [removed]@[removed] (Old Time Radio Digest)
    Subject:  Don McNeill's Prayer

    Doug Berryhill inquired about Don McNeill's prayer

    Here it is, as reported in John Doolittle's DON MCNEILL AND HIS BREAKFAST
    CLUB [Notre Dame, Indiana, University of Notre Dame Press, 2001], p. 187.

    "Each of you,
    In his own words,
    In his own way,
    For a free world united in peace,
    Let us bow our heads and pray."

    Dennis Crow

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    Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:38:48 -0400
    From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
    To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  3-31 births/deaths

    March 31st births

    03-31-1870 - James Cox - Jacksonburg, OH - d. 7-15-1957
    radio station owner, Cox Broadcasting
    03-31-1896 - Eddie Dunn - Brooklyn, NY - d. 5-5-1951
    quizmaster: "True or False"
    03-31-1903 - Ralph Atlass - d. 6-xx-1979
    Chicaco radio pioneer
    03-31-1907 - James L. Saphier - d. 4-9-1974
    producer: "The Saint"; "Somebody Knows"
    03-31-1907 - Ray Arvin - d. 12-xx-1977
    sportscaster: KORN Fremont, Nebraska; WREN Topeka, Kansas
    03-31-1908 - Les Damon - Providence, RI - d. 7-20-1962
    actor: Nick Charles "Advs. of the Thin Man"; Michael Waring "The Falcon"
    03-31-1908 - Red Norvo - Beardstown, IL - d. 4-6-1999
    jazz vibraphonist: "Mildred Bailey Show"; "Woody Herman Show"
    03-31-1915 - Henry Morgan - NYC - d. 5-19-1994
    comedian: "Here's Morgan"; "Henry Morgan Show"
    03-31-1918 - Charles Russell - NYC - d. 1-18-1985
    actor: Johnny Dollar "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar"
    03-31-1922 - Richard Kiley - Chicago, IL - d. 3-5-1999
    actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
    03-31-1923 - Thomas Arim - d. 1-28-2003
    disk jockey: "Birthday Party"
    03-31-1928 - Lefty Frizzell - Corsicana, TX - d. 7-19-1975
    singer: "Grand Ole Opry"; "Louisana Hayride"; "Big D Jamboree"
    03-31-1933 - Anita Carter - Maces Springs, VA - d. 7-29-1999
    singer: (Carter Sisters) "Country Music Time"; "Grand Ole Opry"
    03-31-1934 - Shirley Jones - Clarleroi, PA
    singer-actor: "Calling All Hearts"; "Stars for Defense"

    March 31st deaths

    01-17-1915 - Hugh Brundage - Montana - d. 3-31-1972
    announcer: "Academy Award Theatre"; "Aunt Mary"
    03-04-1888 - Knute Rockne - Voss, Norway - d. 3-31-1931
    football coach: "Biography in Sound"
    05-09-1920 - Frank Perdue - d. 3-31-2005
    commercial spokesperson for Perdue Farms
    06-19-1928 - Barry Took - London, England - d. 3-31-2002
    writer, comedian: "Round the Horne"; "We're In Business"
    08-15-1894 - Harry Akst - NYC - d. 3-31-1963
    writer: "The Barry Gray Show"
    09-07-1888 - Alec Harford - London, England - d. 3-31-1955
    actor: "Escape"; "NBC University Theatre"; "Romance"
    10-12-1899 - Phil Kramer - d. 3-31-1972
    actor: grouch "The Grouch Club"
    10-18-1910 - Addy Richton - d. 3-31-1995
    writer: "Valiant Lady"; "Hilltop House"; "This Life is Mine"

    Ron Sayles

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    Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:21:33 -0400
    From: <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Missing Dunning pages correction

    Hi.
    I really need to clean up my desk!

    When I listed the pages I need in my last post, I was going from a list that
    I had in front of me. Wrong list.

    I found the right list after I sent the post.

    I only need pages 251 to 254. The other pages I have just that they have
    writing on them.

    Same offer remains

    Roger Keel

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