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Date: 9/23/2002 2:42 PM

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                                The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                                  Volume 2002 : Issue 368
                             A Part of the [removed]!
                                     ISSN: 1533-9289

                                     Today's Topics:

      Re: archie in prime time              [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
      Under-rated, Tonto & Much About Dool  [ "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
      Re:The other Tontos                   [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      Re: Mayor LaTrivia's First Name       [ JDavis3153@[removed] ]
      Hans Conried and Much About Doolittl  [ Ivan G Shreve Jr <iscreve@[removed] ]
      Philip [removed], and a question.  [ Ivan G Shreve Jr <iscreve@[removed] ]
      Upcoming Archie Andrews show          [ "rcg" <revrcg@[removed]; ]
      much ado about doolittle              [ "" <cooldown3@[removed]; ]
      OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE      [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
      Re: Bill Johnstone and Underrated Ra  [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
      Orson Welles Vs. Bill Johnstone       [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
      Over & Under Rated                    [ KenwynSteel@[removed] ]
      Under-rated and Over-rated            [ "Michael Psarakis" <[removed] ]
      The latest news                       [ Kubelski@[removed] ]
      horse sounds                          [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
      A way to recover Lost shows???        [ BH <radioguy@[removed]; ]

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    Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 17:28:52 -0400
    From: Jer51473@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: archie in prime time

    <PRE> But hal, if archie had not been a saturday morning show i may have very
    well
    become a  nostalgic fan despite the fact that it was directed to kids and not
    as much to adults. Why? Very simply because i was a kid back in the otr days.

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:16:52 -0400
    From: "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed];
    To: "OTR message" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Under-rated, Tonto & Much About Doolittle and
     Joseph Julian

    I'll stick to the under-rated catagory, talking about over-rated just makes
    everyone mad.
    I will say that I agree with Inner Sanctum but not [removed] best
    single entry of them all. And Bob Hope never made me laugh, nor Cantor or
    Skelton. Enough, sorry.
    But under-rated: gems like Frank Merriwell, Magnificent Montague, Snow
    Village Sketches, Mr. Feathers, and the great Crime Classics and On Stage.
    Lone Ranger experts can come up with the actor who played Tonto when John
    Todd didn't, cause occasionally he wouldn'[removed] have some where he
    [removed] a judge in one. And do many of you have the LR where Fred Foy
    plays the masked man. Not bad.
    I have a 3/25/50 Much About Doolittle but I thought it was an audition.
    Never knew it was a series.
    More under-rated nominations: Mysterious Traveler, Mr. Chameleon, [removed]
    Alexander's Mediation Board, Life In Your Hands
    Finally, I have a letter which I treasure from a radio hero of mine, Joseph
    Julian, who writes that the worst show on the air [removed] of the
    Death [removed] do others think was the worst network series?
    Don Frey, Lawrence, Kansas

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:17:45 -0400
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re:The other Tontos

    In a message dated 9/22/02 3:57:32 PM, Joe Salerno writes:

>     Occasionally I hear an ep of the Lone Ranger in which another voice, not
>     that of John Todd, portrays Tonto. I even heard one where the other Tonto
>     steps in after the break.

>     Any idea who the other Tonto is?

    ***The answer to that question would probably depend on the date of the
    episode you listening to.  Different actors understudied John Todd at
    differtent times during the series' long run.

    Bill Nadel idenfied Rollon Parker as the voice of Tonto the episode included
    in RSI's WALTER CRONKITE SELECTS THE 60 GREATEST OTR SHOWS THAT TRANSITIONED
    TO TV (08/13/51: "Through the Wall).  Reportedly, Rube Weiss and Ted
    Johnstone also filled in on occasion, and Todd was replaced for a time by
    Native-American actor Louis Morango (but returned after the college-educated
    Morango reportedly balked at speaking Tonto's broken English).  I haven't
    detected Ted Johnstone (who often was heard as the padre) in the role (and
    might not have noticed even if I had heard it, since his voice was very close
    to Todd's.

    Todd (who was in his late 50s when he bagan as Tonto and around 80 when the
    series ended, would sometimes doze off in the middle of a broadcast.
    Reportedly, Beemer himself occasionally doubled Tonto's lines.  I suspect
    that any one of the cast members may have filled in on occasion, whomever
    first noticed that Todd had dropped off to dreamland first.

    Which specific episode featured a replacement Tonto in the second portion?
    --TEXAS TONY TOLLIN***

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:17:52 -0400
    From: JDavis3153@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Mayor LaTrivia's First Name

    In answer to Lynn Wagar's first [removed] LaTrivia's first name is
    Charles.

    Jeff

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:18:18 -0400
    From: Ivan G Shreve Jr <iscreve@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio Mailing List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Hans Conried and Much About Doolittle

    Ron Sayles' inquiring mind wanted to know:

>     Gargiulo also mentions a little known series that Conried starred in
>     called, "Much About Dolittle." It was a summer series in 1950. Dolittle was
>     a southern gentleman who would do anything to remain unemployed. It was not
>     a very good show and lasted only the one summer. Does anyone know more about
>     this show and
>     are any available?

    I was glancing through the SPERDVAC catalog this morning, and I saw an
    episode of this in their Archives library--so there is at least one episode
    extant.

    I'm very anxious to read this book on Conried, by the way.  The irony of it
    is, I've already bought a copy--but not for myself, for a friend of mine who
    thinks Hans is da bomb.  Mayhaps I can use some persuasive means to get her
    to loan me the book.

    Ivan
    --
    "I know I'm [removed] as long as I make 'em laugh they're not gonna lock me
    up." -- Red Skelton

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:18:51 -0400
    From: Ivan G Shreve Jr <iscreve@[removed];
    To: Old Time Radio Mailing List <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Philip [removed], and a [removed]

    Ryan Osentowski demonstrated his impeccable good taste:

>     Phillip Marlo-  Gerald Mohr was a great actor, but he just never did it
>     for me as Marlo.

    I'm glad I'm not the only around here who didn't care for Mohr as Marlowe; I
    think Van Heflin was much better.  I admire Mohr's acting talents very much,
    but there's something about him that limits him as a leading man.  He's far
    and away better in supporting roles (one of my favorites is the French
    teacher on "Our Miss Brooks").

    Okay, that criticism out of the way--I have a question that's been nagging
    at me:  how did Artie Auerbach land the gig on "The Jack Benny Show?"  The
    reason I'm asking is, I know Auerbach played "Mr. Kitzel" on "The Abbott &
    Costello Show"--but my curiosity is piqued as to how and why he managed to
    successfully bring the character over to the Benny program.

    Ivan

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:19:18 -0400
    From: "rcg" <revrcg@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Upcoming Archie Andrews show

    Looking ahead to the schedule for the Saturday Radio Theatre on Radio
    Spirits' website I was happy to see that among the shows to be aired on
    Saturday, October 12th will be an episode of Archie Andrews. It will give us
    a chance to hear our dear, and talented, friend Hal Stone once again. The
    subject of the episode is "Nazi POW in Riverdale".

    Hal, any particular recollections of that episode? Apparently the writers
    were able to make something funny out of that subject. I'll be looking
    forward to listening. Usually, those shows are archieved for seven days on
    the Radio Spirits site so there will be ample opportunity to hear the
    program

    Gunner

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:19:27 -0400
    From: "" <cooldown3@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  much ado about doolittle

    I just turned up one episode of that series. 50-03-23.
    Calls himself a Colonel of Industry "as who ever heard of a kentucky
    captain?"
    Nice enough for it's time and Hans sounds great in any roll.
    Patrick

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:19:34 -0400
    From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE

    Here's the shows on fhis week at The Olde Tyme Radio Network Page at:
    [removed]     --   tune in anytime  24/7    Hi-Fi Audio
    New shows every Sunday.

    SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges
    1. THE GOON SHOW    BBC   1/27/58   "The Curse of Frankenstein"  starring:
        Peter Sellers,  Spike Milligan,  Harry Seacombe
    2. JOURNEY INTO SPACE    9/21/53    "Operation Luna" - Part I
    3. I'M SORRY, I'LL READ THAT AGAIN    BBC  11/2/75   with John Cleese,
       Tim Brooke-Taylor, Graeme Garden and Bill Oddie.
    4. THE HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE TO THE GALAXY (stereo version)   BBC
        Stars: eter Jones and Simon Jones.

    HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood
    1. THE FORD THEATER     CBS  3/4/49   "The Horn Blows at Midnight"
        Stars:  Jack Benny,  Claude Raines and Mercedes McCambridge.
    2. THE COLGATE SPORTS NEWSREEL with BILL STERN     NBC  #319
        September, 1945.    Guest:   Elsa Maxwell

    Enjoy !!         Tom & Jerry

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:19:45 -0400
    From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Re: Bill Johnstone and Underrated Radio Shows

    I'd also add THE LINEUP to the list of shows.  CBS' finest police procedural
    was (mostly) scripted by Blake Edwards and starred Bill Johnstone and Wally
    Maher.  Like ESCAPE, it bounced around in a number of sustaining timeslots,
    though THE LINEUP later had a far longer run (with a different cast) on
    CBS-TV. -Anthony Tollin

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 01:19:56 -0400
    From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Orson Welles Vs. Bill Johnstone

    While I enjoy Bill Johnstone's portrayal as the
    Shadow, I have to admit that the Orson Welles Shadow
    is my personal favorite. Not only was Welles the first
    Shadow as participant (as opposed to Shadow as
    narrator); but his Shadow was also more powerful than
    later incarnations. For example, in "The Three Ghosts"
    the Welles' Shadow projected illusions into a
    criminal's mind. At first, Johnstone's Shadow had some
    of these various telepathic abilities as well; but
    before long, the Shadow's only ability was to prevent
    others' from seeing him. A neat trick, to be sure, but
    he used to be able to do much more.

    The other thing I preferred about Welles' Shadow was
    that he didn't always admit that he was flesh and
    blood as the later Shadows seemed to. On more than one
    occasion, Welles' Shadow implied that he was anything
    but a mere mortal (Later Shadows may have done so as
    well from time to time, but more often than not they
    admitted to having used a hynotic trick to keep from
    being seen).

    The Welles' Shadow also struck me as being more of a
    real threat-- maybe because he also sometimes struck
    me as being more than a bit unbalanced. He would hound
    a criminal-- even a reluctant one-- relentlessly,
    whereas later Shadows would sometimes be merciful.
    Paradoxically, I both liked and disliked that
    (perceived) character trait of the Welles' Shadow.

    On the other hand, I have to admit that many of my
    favorite Shadow episodes were Johnstone performances
    (though this may be due in part to the fact that I
    first heard them when I was between 12 and 15; and as
    they say the golden age is 12): The Shadow Challenged;
    The Tomb of Terror; The Tenor with the Broken Voice;
    and the Mark of the Black Widow.

    So, while Welles' is the best Shadow in my opinion,
    Johnstone comes in a very close second.

    Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go listen to one
    of the above episodes.

    Rick

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:30:04 -0400
    From: KenwynSteel@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  Over & Under Rated
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    The various entries to the subject of over or under rated shows proves one
    thing for sure.  One man's trash is another's treasure.  That said, my
    opinions are colored by the fact that I grew up in the New York City area and
    we had a TV by the time I was 5 years old (1946) and I don't remember
    listening to OTR like a lot of you do.  I've become an OTR lover in recent
    years.  My choices are:

    Over-rated:
    1) Mr. Keen - I find this show to be the worst of them all.  Terrible acting
    and scripts.
    2) Life of Riley - I'm still waiting for my first chuckle when listening to
    this lame excuse for comedy.
    3) Nick Carter - Leaves me wishing I had not wasted my time when so many
    other shows are available.

    Under-rated:
    1) Tales of the Texas Rangers - Good plots and fine acting.
    2) Night Beat - Ditto, Frank Lovejoy very under-rated as a radio voice.
    3) Six Shooter - Just something about Jimmy Stewart that makes me smile.

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:32:14 -0400
    From: "Michael Psarakis" <[removed]@[removed];
    To: <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  Under-rated and Over-rated
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    I'm sure this is a touchy subject for most but here's my 2 cents.

    The 3 most over-rated shows, as far as I'm concerned, are as follows:

    Green Hornet - they talked in whispers a lot which made the dialogue hard to
    follow plus even for radio, GH wasn't a particularly interesting hero

    The Jack Benny Show - the early shows especially, the variety format (Dennis'
    song seemed to bring the show to a halt, IMHO) was wasted on Benny a lot of
    times while oddly enough, the later shows about Benny's homelife are much more
    entertaining to me

    The Lone Ranger - Gunsmoke makes it look amatuerish, never any character
    development, why was this show on twice a week?

    The 3 most under-rated shows, as far as I'm concerned, are as follows:

    The Phil Harris-Alice Faye - genuinely funny scripts, great characters,
    wildly-inventive situations, one of the few shows where you feel that everyone
    is having one hell of a time doing it

    CBS Radio Mystery Theatre - generally considered padded but I have found that
    75% of the shows I've heard are very good, great narration by [removed] Marshall
    (aside from Welles, my favorite radio voice), eerie music and generally decent
    stories until the last couple of years.  Remember, they produced 1399 original
    shows, they can't call be classics

    You Bet Your Life - okay, it's considered a classic but I wonder if it is
    appreciated as much as it should be.  The show was not scripted, contestant
    notes were provided but nothing was scripted, which makes classic lines all
    the funnier.  Just have to get this in, the time when Groucho is interviewing
    the woman who wanted to be an actress and a mother.  Not sure exactly what the
    set-up was but the woman said she could be an actress and a mother if "she
    kept both feet on the ground."  To which Groucho said something to the effect
    that "I don't know about being an actress but it's going to be awfully hard to
    be a mother if she kept both feet on the ground."  Classic!

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:32:41 -0400
    From: Kubelski@[removed]
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  The latest news

    The new Google News Search tool seems to work really well.  A quick search
    for "old time radio" this morning turned up such ephemra as news of "Old Time
    Radio's Greatest Detectives" being added to the stacks at a library in
    Juneau, Alaska, and this DM News (the trade newspaper for junk mailers and
    telemarketers) article on merchandising status of Radio Spirits' mailing list.

    [removed]

    The article notes that the list is "65% male with a median age of 54" and
    that it should be used to target people for selling "home entertainment,
    fundraising, subscription, credit card, insurance, music, video, senior,
    health, travel and gourmet food offers."

    Thought that was interesting.

    Sean Dougherty
    Kubelski@[removed]

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 13:32:55 -0400
    From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
    To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
    Subject:  horse sounds

    Regarding the Lone Ranger -

    How did they do the horse sounds? Was it a sound FX record?

    The music cues have been available to collectors for a long time, even
    issued on CD. I have never seen a copy of the sound effects cues, if they
    were using a recorded library of some kind. I assume they would do so for
    sounds like horses, crowds, locomotives, etc.

    Joe Salerno

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    Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:28:49 -0400
    From: BH <radioguy@[removed];
    To: [removed]@[removed]
    Subject:  A way to recover Lost shows???

    Ruk77@[removed] comments:

>     To: [removed]@[removed]
>     Subject:  A way to recover Lost shows???

>     It is my understanding that sound waves travell forever, meaning that every
>     radio wave transmitted from this earth is on a continuous journey
>     through
>     space. All we would have to do is figure out a way to travell at
>     the speed of
>     light , then get in front of the radio waves with a transmitter
>     and tune
>     in!!!! I guess what ever time period you would want to pick up
>     would depend
>     on your location in [removed] may have to travel 2 light years
>     past a
>     location that picks up 1945 broadcasts to pick up 1946
>     broadcasts.

    Sound waves and radio waves are two different things. Sound waves
    (much lower in frequency than radio waves and are not
    electromagnetic radiation) will play out rather quickly as the
    sound vibrations are attenuated by air and other objects. Radio
    waves are electromagnetic radiation and can travel great distances
    through space.
    Astronomers pick up radio waves from thousands of light years
    away.  Without going into a lengthy discussion of RF radiation,
    when a radio waves leaves the transmitting antenna it consists of
    a ground wave, a line of site wave and a sky wave. The sky wave
    leaves the antenna at various angles depending upon several
    factors, one being the frequency or wavelength. The higher the
    frequency (the shorter the wavelength) the greater the angle of
    the sky wave. At frequencies between approximately 1 to 30 Mhz the
    angle is such that the sky wave will bounce off the ionosphere and
    can skip out to great distances. That is why short wave signals
    can be picked up from thousands of miles away. As the angle
    increases, the sky wave will penetrate the ionosphere instead of
    being refracted and travel into space to wind up who knows where.
    This is why you do not hear FM and TV stations at great distances,
    as at these higher frequencies the signal is not refracted via the
    ionosphere. The frequency of the broadcast band, where all OTR was
    transmitted is to low in frequency for any of the sky wave to
    penetrate the ionosphere and travel into outer space, thus all OTR
    transmissions of yesteryear simply faded away never to be heard
    again as radio.
    As far as catching up to past broadcast in space, maybe old TV
    shows but not OTR on the broadcast band. The opening of the movie
    Contact incorrectly depicted catching up to OTR signals in space.

    Bill H.

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