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	    [removed]   Volume 96 : Issue 32


Articles in this issue of [removed]:

	 Acetate recordings
	 Superman on RealAudio
	 old time radio commercial
	 Godfrey singers
	
	
	 Why'd you think he'd get it?
	 Early Shadow
	 Re: status of "The Shadow"?
	 RE: Here We Go Again
	 Re: The Shadow saga
	 Introduction
	 Re:  copyrights and copywrongs
	 War in the Oxide Trenches
	 Fwd: Music Sources on Internet
	 A couple of things
	 OTR in Pittsburgh?
	 KAAM audio on the Web
	 Re: Orson Welles On WBAI post in V96 #31
	 George Burns
	 Citizen Kane PBS Special
	 Tape Squeal - The Water Cure
	 HARRY LIME

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Date: Sun, 21 Jan 1996 11:52:15
From: axl@[removed] (Al Lingley)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Acetate recordings
Message-Id: <Q1026F40@kron>

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I will be receiving some acetate transcriptions shortly.  Is there
anyone who has any pointers in the proper playback and storage
of these disks?  I have a turntable and have been playing vinyl 
transcriptions with no problems.  I just don't want to destroy these
possible one of a kind disks!

Thanks!
-Al

axl@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 96 09:38:48 -0800
From: Rick Faulconer <hawker@[removed]>
To: "[removed]@[removed]" <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Superman on RealAudio
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

-- [ From: Rick Faulconer * [removed] #[removed] ] --

Just a quick note. Warner Bros. is transmitting the complete Meteor Man
episodes of Superman via Real Audio. The episode changes weekly, last I
checked episode 1 was still playing. The URL is [removed]
com/radio/
--
hawker@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 01:06:00 -0400
From: bsf@[removed] (burton frank)
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: old time radio commercial
Message-Id: <v01510105ad2b6d70d0f7@[[removed]]>

I'm trying to find the name of the sponser of an old radio commercial that
was heard in new york city around the 1940's. It had a jingle that included
the telephone number MElrose 5-5300. Please contact me via e-mail if you
remember the commercial and the name of the sponsor. It's keeping me up at
night!!!
        Thanks,
        Burt

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:29:43 -0800 (PST)
From: roy547@[removed] (Roy Trumbull)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Godfrey singers
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

Regarding the query for an original Godfrey singer, one that
comes to mind is Julius LaRosa. I believe they had a falling
out. Then wasn't there Carmel Quinn? Any others?

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:38:45 -0500
From: cbholm@[removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 11:39:59 -0500
From: cbholm@[removed]
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>


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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:08:25 -0500
From: Bruce Rudesill <lranger@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Why'd you think he'd get it?
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

A few words from a self-confessed, poaching, self-styled hobbyist:

I knew you guys were beating your heads against a stone wall trying to talk
sense with Tabnik about copyrights. Marty THE AUTHOR has no sympathy for
anything without an "Inc." behind it's name. Notice how he insists
Radiola's lawyers made "errors". Get real, if they made errors like that
they should be disbarred for terminal stupidity. They knew exactly what they
were doing. Trying to drive any compitition, no matter how small, into
bankruptcy. All the while hoping that Conde Nast didn't get wind of their
dirty little scheme.

Yeah, you can put me firmly in the camp of poaching, self-styled hobbyists.
On the other hand, since I've never made money at this maybe I am a hobbyist.
Regardless, the only reason there is a hobby is because of the poachers.
The self-styled hobbyists. Were it left in the hands of warm, concerned
corporations it would have ceased to exist years ago. And I think that's the
important thing. Not personal property rights, not who OWNS what. But who
has kept OTR alive. It's the poaching hobbyists, that's who. By trading,
dealing,giving away, causing the widest possible disemmination of the shows
we all love and revere. Had it been left up to blood sucking leeches like
Radiola the only people who would have OTR would be the handful who could
afford their inflated prices. The rest of us would be left to riminise.

That's all "folx"  <<:-)>> (I don't know what it means either, but what the
hell)

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 04:23:09 -0500
From: Lynchmob17@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Early Shadow
Message-ID: <960123041807_404097998@[removed]>

I know that the early Shadow series utilized the Shadow as narrator
only.  Are any of these episodes available?  Has anyone heard them?
What are they like? I know that the actor playing the Shadow was
(at various times) Frank Readick or James LaCurto(spelling?).  Can
anyone help me out here?  Much thanks!

Tim S. Turner

[removed]: Marty Tabnik, get off this right-wing conservative [removed] already.
       We're all sick of the same tired mantra.  And Imus is still just
       a Stern ripoff.  Just ask Pete Franklin.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:45:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Charlie D Matkin <cdm01@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
cc: otr@[removed]
Subject: Re: status of "The Shadow"?
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

I was interested in reading your history of the litigation concerning the 
Shadow. What exactly is the situation now? I have heard from several 
sources that someone has renewed the copywrite. Is this true? I agree 
with someone who recently remarked that it seems odd that someone could 
copywrite history. Hope none of Thomas Jefferson's heirs decide to do so 
with the Declaration, etc.

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 05:57:41 +0500
From: cbholm@[removed] (c holm)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RE: Here We Go Again
Message-Id: <[removed]@[removed]>

RPato>
  I too have tried to get "Here We Go Again."   I tried to special order it
through
my local video store, but it seems to be out of print.  (is that the right
phrase for
a movie?)  Anyway, unless someone has a copy, you may just have to wait
till it comes on AMC or something and tape it.  

  If anyone else has any [removed]

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 17:16:59 -0500
From: SeptSev@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: The Shadow saga
Message-ID: <960123171512_204827576@[removed]>

Hello [removed]
I feel I must make offer my opinion on the very interesting comments in this
forum re: the Shadow copyright litigation.
I am a writer by trade, and God knows I believe in copyright protection.
 However, in the world of OTR, where most of this stuff is PD, or nobody
cares anymore, it's truly hard to say who owns what.  And I sense that there
have been cases were someone just decides they'd like to have a copyright so
they announce that they are the copyright owners. ( Folks, just sayin' it's
so doesn't make it so. :) )
In the case of the SHADOW, it seems the legal owner of the copyright--who was
not actively marketing these shows--decided it was in everyone's best
interest to turn a blind eye and let hobby/dealers sell these tapes so others
could enjoy.  Nothing wrong with that.  I'm sure any dealer would have
stopped if he had been asked to stop.
Then, the copyright changes hands, and the new owner quite rightly decides to
protect his rights.  All he had to do was send out a few letters, and all
parties would have ceased the marketing of these shows.  No reasonable or
ethical person would have refused.  But it seems clear that Radiola sought to
muscle out the small dealers and become the big fish. Sad.
Look, I doubt if ANYBODY out there (including Radiola, but especially the
little guy) is getting rich selling OTR.  And if we, as hobbiests want the
steady supply of shows to continue, we can't assume that the small dealer is
going to take the time or expense to do a copyright search on 9,000 programs.
(And if we're talking STRICT ethics, should we be trading the stuff without
doing a copyright search? Are you SURE that Jack Benny Show from 1952 is PD?
Including the music?):)
Come on. Common sense says that as a practical matter the system we have now
is reasonable: if you are the VALID owner of an OTR copyright and choose to
stop unauthorized sale of your property, send out cease and desist notices.
The men of good will who are the dealers in this hobby(almost all collector's
themselves, I gather) will certainly honor your request.
Yours truly,
Thom Bray

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 18:06:09 -0500
From: JamesC1611@[removed]
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Introduction
Message-ID: <960123180608_302775451@[removed]>

I'm new to this list, and I thought I'd introduce myself.  My name is James
Cavender, I'm a resident of Lubbock, Texas, and I'm 39, so I caught the tail
end of OTR as a child.  I've been collecting shows for several years now.
 I'm particularly fond of The Great Gildersleeve, Night Beat, Yours Truly
Johnny Dollar, and X Minus One.  I'm always looking for new sources of
collectible material.  Email address is JamesC1611@[removed]

Does anybody have any biographical info on Harold Peary and Willard Waterman,
the two Gildersleeves?  Are either still living?  

Thanks, and I look forward to participating on this list!

James
    

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 17:44:10 -0600 (CST)
From: barrym <barrym@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:  copyrights and copywrongs
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

> From: [removed]@[removed] (Marty Tabnik)
 
> It seems that Radiola had decided to "make an example"
> of poaching, self-styled "hobbyists".  Sorry, folx, they
> WERE stealing.  You may not like reading this, but
>         MOST Of you are not writers.
> As a writer, I support STRONG enforcement of intellectual
> property rights.  (Those of you who, say, want to "trade"
> CBSRMT shows, claim that you're not doing any harm.  But,
> as HyBrown will tell you, it just isn't YOUR decision.)

I'd disagree with you and I'd like to say why I do.  But first
let me state my qualifications since you stated yours.  I'm
a computer programmer, although my title is a little more
elaborate these days.  During the early and middle 80's I
published a number of shareware programs that were widely used.
I never received a dime for them.

Some people think that if it's legal, it's moral, and if it's
not, it's not.  I'm not one of those.  I define stealing as
taking something from someone.  There is the taking, and the
from someone.  Both are needed to make it stealing.

The problem is that the concept of intellectual property is
becoming more and more inclusive as time goes by.  I do agree
that people need to be able to protect their work so they can
profit from it.  I need that as a reader as much as I do as a
writer (programmer).  But when people stop making a profit
from their products, their rights should end.  If they don't
then the copyright laws are blocking our advancement more than
they are providing for it.

I have a palmtop computer that I write programs on.  Just my hobby.
I make them available as freeware (since I dont get any more if
they're shareware).  I use a compiler that is small and fast, which
is required on a palmtop.  But that compiler is an old version that
hasn't been published for about 5 years.  The new version is much
more powerful, much slower, and much larger and won't work on a
palmtop.  A number of people petitioned the publisher for old
copies, but they said no.  It wasn't worth their while.  They had
to choose whether to just blow the whole thing off, or get a copy
from people like me who bought it way back when.  The ones who
copied it have written some pretty good software and made it 
available to me and others for little or no charge.  Of course it's
illegal.  But I can't see how that is wrong.

If you publish a story or article and I put it in a newsgroup or
on a web page so people can get it there and not have to pay you,
then of course that's stealing.  If I buy a program and give someone
a copy that's stealing.

Reading back over this I see its a bit confused.  It's a confusing
issue.  There are contradictions.  But that's just the way it is.

Also, thanks for the explanation of Michael Rophone.  Until you
mentioned his nickname I just couldn't find the connection.

Barry

 

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 16:09:34 -0800
From: MikeTimble@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: War in the Oxide Trenches
Message-ID: <960123160909_23154457@[removed]>

Jim Widner did a very nice job of summarizing the events with Radio
Yesteryear and The Shadow. However, I would love to read "War in the Oxide
Trenches" that Jim recommended. Anyone have any idea where I could pick this
up and who the publisher was?

Mike Timble
Chicago

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 17:29:17 -0800
From: bigbands@[removed] (bigbands )
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: Fwd: Music Sources on Internet
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Date: 23 Jan 96 22:30:50 EST
From: Joel  Senter <[removed]@[removed]>
To: OTR Digest <otr@[removed]>
Subject: A couple of things
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Re: Squeeky tapes.  As Phil Harris' buddy, Remley, would have put it, "I
know a guy!"  I have never tried this myself, but I know a guy who claims
that putting squeeky Shamrock (or other) tape in a steamy bathroom (you
know, after the shower has been running for a while) for an hour or so
seems to get the squeek out, at least for a while.  I don't guarantee this
method, but my buddy claims that it works.

Next matter

It seems to me that Max got all the facts right about the Shady Crook
matter - at least as I understand it.  It seems to me that as free folks,
we have a right to refuse to deal with organizations who have policies
with which we don't agree.  Certainly, folks who boycott grapes and "tree
butchers" are honored by certain segments of our society.  But there was
another reason for not buying Radiola or Radio Yesteryear products - they
were of decidedly unreliable quality and their price was outrageous! I'd
be surprised if any knowledgable OTR fan would have ever bought anything
from them.

Next

I agree with the procurement of C-60 cassettes from Sams.  I have been
doing this for years.  You get good quality tapes and you can buy them in
lots of 10, 12, or 18, depending on how they are packaged at any point in
time, and, if you consider that you get the boxes with them, the price is
certainly competetive with anybody's.    
Joel Senter  

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Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 23:19:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert T Schuder <rtsst13+@[removed]>
To: otr@[removed]
Subject: OTR in Pittsburgh?
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

Hello there

My name is Robert Schuder and I am new to the OTR Bulletin. I'm currently 
living in Pittsburgh, PA and am a graduate student at the University of 
Pittsburgh.

I'm trying to locate a radio station which is dedicated to OTR or at 
least includes OTR in its schedule. I would prefer a station in the 
Pittsburgh area but am able to access stations in western PA and western 
NY with my travel schedule ([removed] Erie and Buffalo)

If anyone is aware of this please let me know.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 00:10
From: "bill harris" <billhar@[removed]>
To: "otr digest" <otr@[removed]>
Subject: KAAM audio on the Web
Message-Id: <m0texar-000YMJC@[removed]>

>>ONE COOL NOTE: Dallas' local nostalgia station, KAAM - has just announced
>>they're now simulcasting fulltime over the Web via streaming RealAudio.

>Does anyone have the web URL for this station? I wanna "tune in"...

Try [removed]

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:41:00 -0500 (EST)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Orson Welles On WBAI post in V96 #31
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

On Tue, 23 Jan 1996  Joseph Ward wrote:
> Subject: Orson Welles tribute

> Is anyone lucky enough to be living in range of WBAI [removed] FM planning to 
> tape the Orson Welles tribute on Jan. 28?  

  Sunday 7:30 pm - 6 AM  [removed]  NYC (another shameless plug!) Turn OFF the 
Stuporbowl!
> 
> As a suggestion to the people putting this together, how about depositing 
> a copy with SPERDVAC?  Other stations have done it and it's a good thing 
> to do for the hobby.
>
	Good suggestion.  I plan to aircheck the show on DAT. Now all I 
have to remember to do is change the aircheck tapes every so often, while 
producing, engineering, hosting, and pitching!
	A highlight reel will probably be made available to subscribers.
I have an interview with Paula Laurence speaking to David Rothenberg on
the Mercury Theatre added to the mix, as well as Arthur Anderson live, 
still trying to get others.  West coast guests may not be possible at 
this time, and Anthony Tollin will be at a convention in Florida, but I'll
try to get him on the phone. He did give me a lead to the spin doctor who
was called in the day after the War of the Worlds broadcast, but I haven't
reached him yet.
	I will attempt to play an example of every radio series was involved
with, time permitting, which it probably won't, because I also have to raise
about $10,000, most of it before midnight.  The archived version of the show
will spare you this part of the show. 
	- Max Schmid - Golden age of Radio - WBAI -

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:51:42 -0500
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: George Burns
Message-ID: <960123214113_404741971@[removed]>

He's almost gone folks.  We all knew this day would come.  The New York Post
reported today that Burns is too weak to eat solid foods, that his doctors
are about to put him on intravenous feeding and that he was too weak to even
lift and smoke a cigar on his 100th.  The headline was tacky ("Say Goodnight
George" -- I mean for Chirst's sake, he's still alive!) and it seemed almost
mean-spirited to report on his condition, but there it was.  And here it is.

I have a feeling that very soon we're all going to have the worst day of our
collecting lives.

Sadly,

Sean Dougherty
Kubelski@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 01:38:24 -0500 (EST)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: airwaves <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Citizen Kane PBS Special
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

	It has just come to my attention that there will be a 2 hour
American Experience Documentary "The Battle over Citizen Kane" to be
broadcast on Monday, January 29th, 9pm eastern, on PBS. Check local listings.
How can it not include radio references?
	It's the story of William Randolph Hearst and his attempt to 
stop Orson Welles from releasing Citizen Kane, which Hearst columnist
Hedda Hopper described as "a vicious and irresponsible attack on a great
man".
	"Hearst and Welles were proud, gifted and destructive - geniuses
each in his way," says producer Thomas Lennon, "The fight that ruined them
both was thoroughly in character with how they'd lived their lives".
	-from the PBS press release.

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 02:29:47 -0500 (EST)
From: MAX SCHMID <mschmid@[removed]>
To: airwaves <[removed]@[removed]>
Subject: Tape Squeal - The Water Cure
Message-ID: <[removed]@[removed]>

	I have used the method described of wetting squealing quarter-
inch reel to reel tape, but only in an emergency.  While it does work,
it frightens me to think of the damage to the tape recorder should the 
water get into the electronics - you could short out you machine!
	Any techies have thoughts on this?

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Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 15:28:21 -0500
From: SeptSev@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: HARRY LIME
Message-ID: <960124152818_126014802@[removed]>

Hello [removed]
I simply must know more about Harry Lime! Who wrote these episodes? Did
Welles have anything to do with the writing?  Anybody know more?
Yours truly,
Thom Bray 

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